#2451 - Cheryl Hines

Cheryl Hines is an Emmy Award-nominated actress, director, producer, and comedian. While she is best known for her role as Cheryl David on the HBO series “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” Hines has appeared in numerous films and television series over a career spanning more than 30 years, and is married to U. S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Her book, “Unscripted,” is available now.www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781944824365/unscripted/ Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  Cheryl.

• 0:13Speaker 02

  Joe.

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  So good to see you.

• 0:15Speaker 02

  It's really good to see you.

• 0:16Joe Rogan?

  What's happening?

• 0:17Speaker 02

  Everything.

• 0:18Joe Rogan?

  Are you good? You alright?

• 0:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I am. I'm good now.

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah? Woo!

• 0:23Speaker 02

  Woo! It's been a... it's been a few years of chaos.

• 0:27Joe Rogan?

  I thought about you the moment Bobby said he was gonna run for president. You were the first thing I thought of.

• 0:31Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 0:32Joe Rogan?

  Because I'm a huge fan of Curb Your Enthusiasm.

• 0:34Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 0:35Joe Rogan?

  I thought you were amazing on that show.

• 0:36Speaker 02

  Oh, thanks. Thank you.

• 0:37Joe Rogan?

  It's such a good show.

• 0:38Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 0:39Joe Rogan?

  It's maybe one of the greatest comedy shows of all time.

• 0:41Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 0:42Joe Rogan?

  And, um, I was like, "She's not built for this."

• 0:46Speaker 02

  Turns out I'm not built for this.

• 0:47Joe Rogan?

  Nobody is.

• 0:48Speaker 02

  No, it's insane.

• 0:49Joe Rogan?

  Trump is the only person I've ever met that somehow or another survives it and seems exactly the same. But most people who are attacked like that, it's just like, it is a natural human instinct, when you are rejected by your tribe, to feel terrified, filled with anxiety. But that's why people do it. And that's what encourages group think. Because you're terrified, and you wind up agreeing to things that are fucking insane.

• 1:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12Joe Rogan?

  Because you don't even know what you're agreeing to. You just don't want to be rejected by your tribe.

• 1:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16Joe Rogan?

  And this is how they keep people involved in these, where ideologies eventually become cults.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:22Joe Rogan?

  And I think you can make a really good argument about the right and the left, that in a certain, certain section of each one of these political parties, it's a cult.

• 1:33Speaker 02

  Yes, because they're, you know, most of us are sort of in the center.

• 1:39Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Right? And then you have the 10% on this side, the 10% on this side, that are so extreme and loud, and they keep everybody fired up. And it is cult-like.

• 1:51Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird to watch intelligent people get captured in it. I was just watching this video with Bill Maher, and Bill Maher had Adam Carolla on. And Bill Maher was talking about how Jimmy Kimmel won't talk to him anymore. Like, they have this spat because of politics. Bill Maher is very much a left-wing person. He has been his whole life. He has not changed his opinions at all.

• 2:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14Joe Rogan?

  But he's always been very reasonable and willing to criticize the left as well as the right.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:19Joe Rogan?

  And I don't know if it was because he had dinner with Trump and he met with him, which is just crazy. You're not supposed to talk to people that are the President of the United States.

• 2:28Speaker 02

  It is crazy. I know, I was just talking to Bill Maher, and we were talking about this.

• 2:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, because he was like, he said exactly what you said. I sat down and had dinner with the President, and people went insane. Yeah, and so people, listen, I know that feeling, because even when Bobby started running for President, even when he started running as a Democrat, people were angry.

• 2:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're just...

• 2:54Speaker 02

  Democrats were angry.

• 2:55Joe Rogan?

  They're just mean. When it comes to politics, people just get so mean. It's like, these are not the type of people you ever want in any position of power. People, the least charitable, most vicious people, the moment you are running against them in a political party, they will pull out all the stops, take things out of context, lie about you.

• 3:14Speaker 02

  Yes. Even if they're, even if you're in their party.

• 3:18Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

• 3:20Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  Which was, that was challenging, because, you know, like, Hollywood is competitive, and it's hard, and you are, you know, you're hustling, you're working really hard, but you're not trying to tear other people down.

• 3:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:39Speaker 02

  So, politics, as soon as you say, as soon as he said, I, well, no, I'm sorry, before that, the people were coming after him.

• 3:49Joe Rogan?

  They were always coming after him.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  They were always coming after him, but it kicked up a notch when he decided to run for President.

• 3:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, a big notch, I'm sure, yeah.

• 3:58Speaker 02

  And it was just, and it's just weird, you know, and there was like a feel, a feeling of doom for me. He's, Bobby's tough. He's so friggin' tough, like...

• 4:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, they've been coming after him for like 20 years.

• 4:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 4:15Joe Rogan?

  So he's just developed a rhino skin.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I, you know, and I was, I was like, oh my God. I'm not gonna make it.

• 4:23Joe Rogan?

  You know, a good indication how they come after themselves, each other, rather, is during the debate with Kamala and Biden, when Kamala was accusing Biden of, at the very least, sexual assault, right? Like this-

• 4:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, the sort of creepy-

• 4:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:39Joe Rogan?

  It seemed like she was accusing him of sexual assault. And then, when they confronted her on it, she's like, "It was a debate." That's literally what she said.

• 4:49Speaker 02

  That is the really strange thing about politics that I'm, I'm still getting used to, is they will viciously attack each other. And then, a minute later, in the hallway, it's like, "Hey, how's it going?" And I'm, I'm still in shock, you know? I'm still angry about what just happened in there. And they're, they're already over it. And they're already like, "Yeah, that's politics. That's what we do."

• 5:15Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see the debates with Mitt Romney and Barack Obama?

• 5:19Speaker 02

  I'm sure I did, but I-

• 5:20Joe Rogan?

  Jim, you see if you can pull some of that up. God, why can't we go back to that?

• 5:24Speaker 02

  Oh, was it like civilized?

• 5:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, completely.

• 5:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:28Joe Rogan?

  For Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney's like, he's Mormon, like, super religious guy, never swears, probably doesn't do anything, right?

• 5:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:35Joe Rogan?

  So he's like, super polite.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 5:37Joe Rogan?

  And then Barack Obama, because, you know, they're matching each other's energy. He was very polite, too.

• 5:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 5:43Joe Rogan?

  They disagreed on many things, but they were talking about what they wanted to do.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 5:48Joe Rogan?

  Not how this guy's a piece of shit, and they've been stealing and robbing and this and that and-

• 5:52Speaker 02

  Or the, or, you know, how they look. It's just turned into that, where-

• 5:57Joe Rogan?

  That's Trump. Which is crazy, when you look like that. You know what I'm saying? It's like, the guy makes fun of his own hair. Like, he makes fun of his comb over. It's like, but here it is.

• 6:13Joe Rogan?

  Okay, this is just a comparison.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:15Joe Rogan?

  Between, that was, the Biden ones with Trump were the worst, because they're trying to map Trump's energy, match Trump's energy.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  Well, they didn't know how to debate him.

• 6:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  That's what-

• 6:26Joe Rogan?

  I think

• 6:26Speaker 02

  He does well.

• 6:27Joe Rogan?

  If you wanted to diffuse that.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:29Joe Rogan?

  Which you would say is like, this is not productive for anybody.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 6:32Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you want to have like a completely separate conversation about who's a bigger piece of shit, and you want to do a podcast, and you and me talk about how I think you're a piece of shit, you think I'm a piece of shit, that's one thing.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:42Joe Rogan?

  But you have X amount of time to say how you're gonna run the country.

• 6:46Speaker 02

  Country.

• 6:47Joe Rogan?

  And what you think is wrong with the policies.

• 6:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:51Joe Rogan?

  What you think is wrong with where we're spending money.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:53Joe Rogan?

  What you think was, all the above.

• 6:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what you're supposed to do.

• 6:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:57Joe Rogan?

  And the idea that you can't win that way is crazy.

• 7:00Speaker 02

  It is crazy.

• 7:02Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  And it's, it's really weird, too, that a lot, some, not all, politicians really work on, I gotta get a catchphrase in there.

• 7:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, Trump's really good at that. Like, he names people, Crooked Hillary, Sleepy Joe. It works.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  It wa-

• 7:19Joe Rogan?

  It works.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  It did work. I mean, it, because people get so thrown off, they, they don't know how to respond. They, like you said, that's what they should say, but they just get thro- so thrown off that it's just, uh, paralyzing.

• 7:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, at least in this day and age, there's a method through social media for you to respond. If something you think is inaccurate or whatever, you can respond. But, uh, there was a time where there was nothing.

• 7:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:47Joe Rogan?

  And whatever political party was in power, they controlled everything. They controlled all the news stories about you. They controlled everything. There's a great story with Hunter S. Thompson, and Ed Muskie's running for president, and Hunter S. Thompson makes this crazy rumor about how he was addicted to ibogaine, and he has a Brazilian witch doctor comes in and treats him.

• 8:06Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:06Joe Rogan?

  And this guy literally cracks on the campaign trail, because Hunter S. Thompson said this, made up this crazy story about him. And this guy, you see him having nervous breakdowns on the campaign trail. Like, his subsequent speeches are all like nuts, and he falls off.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:20Joe Rogan?

  But he was like a frontrunner at one point in time. Or at least he was very competitive, and it just

• 8:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:25Joe Rogan?

  Because it just, they killed him.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  Well, it's the power of words.

• 8:28Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  Which, um, by the way, you know, when Bobby decided to run, and he ca- and I talk about this in my book, Unscripted, uh, but when he came on your podcast was a game changer. Right? Because everything that you're saying It is true, and, and the press was going hard, they still do. They're going, they were going hard at Bobby, like he's this, he's that, here's what he thinks, here's what he, you know, represents, and then he came on your podcast and you guys had a conversation.

• 9:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  And, you know, you're curious and you're a great listener, and you're not judgmental, and people heard what Bobby had to say, and it changed everything for him.

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• 12:16Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 12:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  What were your opinions?

• 12:19Joe Rogan?

  So before the pandemic, before the pandemic, I was firmly on the side of science. I was much more of a left-wing leaning person. I just assumed these people running universities, these academics, whatever they said was accurate. Everybody else was a fool and they believed in snake oil and witchcraft, right? This is what I thought. And then during the pandemic, I was like, okay, these experts are clearly lying. I know they're lying because they're literally lying about me, right? So.

• 12:47Speaker 02

  Which was crazy. So when you're in it and you know who you are and you know how you're feeling and what your body is doing and other people, news outlets are saying. Uh-uh, that's not true. It's gotta feel so weird.

• 13:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, it felt really weird because they weren't addressing the fact that I was healthy. That was crazy. So you're talking about this massive pandemic and you've got this guy in his 50s. You know, I'm supposed to be a vulnerable person and I'm in my 50s and I got over it in a couple of days and I'm telling everybody how I did it and they're saying that I'm some quack who's taking veterinary medicine.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:21Joe Rogan?

  Which is just a, was just a flat out lie, but it was weird.

• 13:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:24Joe Rogan?

  It was weird to watch. It didn't like, it didn't give me anxiety. It, it made me laugh a lot. I laughed a lot.

• 13:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:31Joe Rogan?

  Cause fortunately during this entire time period, I was doing stand-up and hanging out with comedians. We all thought it was so funny. Like, bro, CNN is so full of shit. This is crazy.

• 13:40Speaker 02

  See, and-

• 13:40Joe Rogan?

  I never would have believed it.

• 13:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, but, and you have this outlet and you were able to talk about it.

• 13:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 13:45Speaker 02

  And tell people. So it's like-

• 13:47Joe Rogan?

  Luckily, they weren't picking, they thought they were picking on me because they thought they were the bully, but during the whole exchange, they went, oh my God, this thing's way bigger than we thought it was.

• 13:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:56Joe Rogan?

  So my show was like 10 times more listeners and viewers than their show, which is crazy. Cause all I can do is come on here and go, are you fucking out of your, do I need to sue you people? You guys are cracked.

• 14:08Speaker 02

  It's cra, it is crazy.

• 14:09Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  So yeah, so you saw things firsthand.

• 14:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  That you hadn't experienced before.

• 14:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And then, um, when I read Bobby's book, um, one of the things that I knew about Bobby before-

• 14:20Speaker 02

  The Fauci book or?

• 14:21Joe Rogan?

  Yes, the real Anthony Fauci, which was just, I, I would read it, I would, I would listen to it on audio tape in the sauna. So I'm sitting there cooking at 196 degrees or you're already kind of freaking out.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  You're already mad because you're hot.

• 14:35Joe Rogan?

  So long before you die.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:37Joe Rogan?

  You know, that's the whole key of the sauna. Like you get it way before you're gonna die. That's when you get out. But if you stayed in there for a few hours, you're a dead man. Um, and so I'm kind of freaking out already and I'm like, this is the nuttiest story of one guy and his cohorts who have been doing this kind of shit. The same shit they were doing during the pandemic, suppressing other medication, promoting something that they had, that they were gonna make a massive profit off of. Gaslighting people, lying about the data, lying about... This is the thing they did during the AIDS crisis.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  And, yeah.

• 15:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  And they're footnote after footnote, reference after reference.

• 15:14Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  Saying, "This is... Here's this, here's that. I'm not making this up."

• 15:17Joe Rogan?

  No lawsuits. No one's trying to sue him. And this is one thing I keep bringing up. If that was lies, people would have... They would document how it's not true. They would show the actual paperwork. They'd show the actual data. This is how it's not... No, it's all true. Which is... You go, "Well, how do I not know this? And what kind of irresponsible journalism do we have in this country? Where this has happened, and it takes this one guy to publish this book before people start talking about it."

• 15:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:45Joe Rogan?

  I also knew his work as an environmental attorney. And I think that's a very important thing for people to realize. Like, what he did was essentially help clean up the East River. And if it wasn't for him and his work, that would still be probably a polluted shithole, unless somebody else came along and stopped these corporations from polluting the river and then forced them to clean it up.

• 16:07Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:07Joe Rogan?

  That's gigantic.

• 16:09Speaker 02

  And by the way, you know, when people talk about Bobby and they want to paint him as somebody who is trying to hurt people or kill people, or whatever that sounds like or looks like. When you look at his career and who he is and what he's accomplished, yeah, he spent a lot of time suing huge corporations because they're polluting waterways, because it's hurting people, killing people, giving people cancer. So why would he spend all of his life fighting for people, fighting for individuals, you know? And then suddenly change and want to really hurt a lot of people?

• 16:53Speaker 02

  It just doesn't track. It doesn't make sense at all.

• 16:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, the whole thing came about because of vaccines and his questioning of the vaccine narrative, which is now way more mainstream. Because I, like many people, said, "The scientists must be correct. Everybody else is a kook. You gotta get your vaccines. You gotta do whatever you have to do." But I was also pretty aware of... I had a friend who had a child that they vaccinated him. And when they vaccinated him, he stopped responding. And he never responded again. He became... Nonverbal autistic for his whole life.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:26Joe Rogan?

  And he firmly believed it was because of the child's reaction to the vaccines. That's a taboo to bring up. When you bring that up, people immediately back off. They get scared. They get nervous. I firmly believe that when you have this sort of a visceral reaction to any sort of a subject like that, without a rational examining of what is objective truth.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:51Joe Rogan?

  When you have that visceral reaction, something's happened. You've been co-opted. There's a thought in your head that you can't question this, or you'll be ostracized. You'll be cast out of the crew, the crew, the tribe. You're out. Yeah. And that's what everyone's afraid of.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  That is what, because that is what happens.

• 18:06Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  As we've seen. But to that point, you know, as mother, I, it's so frustrating to hear parents say, this is my experiences. The experience I had with my own child, and with this child every day, after the vaccine, there was a change. This is what, this is my experience. And for people to get mad at them for even, like you're saying, talking about it. They're not allowed to talk about the experience they had.

• 18:39Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  Ask why it happened, or, you know, let people talk to each other to see if they have shared experiences that can lead us to something better.

• 18:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 18:52Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 18:53Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. And it shouldn't be, it shouldn't be accepted. We shouldn't communicate like that. It's not smart. It's, we've been lied to so many times. I mean, why would you just assume that that's stopped? That that has ended. You know, if you just go back and think about all the different things that both the government and of course pharmaceutical drug companies have lied about, or at least been wrong about.

• 19:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:19Joe Rogan?

  The amount of drugs that they had to pull, it's fuck substantial. It's a giant chunk.

• 19:24Speaker 02

  Well, that's the question. So, we understand and accept that there have been drugs out there that everybody thought were good, were helpful, and then 10 years later, 20 years later.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  The companies, scientists, whomever, realize, oh, actually, they're doing more harm than good.

• 19:45Joe Rogan?

  What about thalidomide? Like what it did with birth defects in children.

• 19:48Speaker 02

  It's, you know what?

• 19:49Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. They used to prescribe that to mothers.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  Well, it's even like getting x-rayed.

• 19:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  They used to have mothers, you know, that were pregnant, x-rayed to see how the baby was doing. For a long time.

• 20:04Joe Rogan?

  It'd be cool if it gave the baby superpowers, but it never does. It only happens in the science.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that never works out on the good way.

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• 21:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's intense.

• 21:25Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever see those images of what happened to the women that used to work in those x-ray offices? So every day they used to have to turn on the x-ray machine, they would x-ray their hand to make sure that it would work. And they all got like hand cancer. Oh, it's horrible. It's weird because they have one hand that looks normal and one hand that looks like a wicked witch hand.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  Right, so.

• 21:45Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find some of those. It's very strict because we didn't know any better.

• 21:48Speaker 02

  Right, because we didn't, nobody was out to kill anybody, to murder, to do harm. But it was doing harm, so. Let's take a step back, readjust, and do something different.

• 22:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, the extreme amount of money that pharmaceutical drug companies have put into making sure that they're in control of the narrative, or at least they're influencing the narrative. It's like, this is this lady.

• 22:12Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 22:13Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 22:16Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 22:19Joe Rogan?

  And that's just from x-raying your hand.

• 22:22Speaker 04

  They would use it to calibrate the machine every day.

• 22:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 22:25Speaker 04

  To test their hand first.

• 22:26Joe Rogan?

  That lady cooked her hand. Isn't that awful? Ooh, it's so spooky.

• 22:30Speaker 02

  That's really crazy.

• 22:32Joe Rogan?

  Yikes.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  What are the... You're not gonna have the answer to this, but...

• 22:35Joe Rogan?

  I might.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  What are the... What are the things, you know, that we have to go through in the airport?

• 22:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, TSA?

• 22:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:43Joe Rogan?

  That's radio. Yeah, that's like a radio frequency, right? What is that? Let's pull that up. I do not think that that's dangerous, but, look, there's a lot of people that think wifi is dangerous. There's a lot of people that think that 5G is dangerous. They think that EMF from even electric cars is dangerous. There's people telling you you shouldn't have earbuds in your ears. You know, you should only listen with a cord or a speaker if you can.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 23:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  Well, it makes sense. You've got things going directly into your head, to your brain.

• 23:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's probably not the best thing for you, but I mean, it's like, how many people are wearing AirPods and how little damage is it actually doing? That's the question. It's like, what is the real issue? Most TSA body scanners use millimeter wave radio waves.

• 23:26Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 23:27Joe Rogan?

  So not x-rays and do not add to your ionizing radiation exposure. So, um, so it's not x-ray based, right? It's radio wave, but is it... What is it? Is it dangerous? How does the dose compare to a flight? What is that? X-ray scanners? Um, that's just scanners. Um, is there any damn...

• 23:45Speaker 02

  I mean, we just have blind faith that this is okay.

• 23:48Joe Rogan?

  Follow up. Millimeter wave scanner radiation. Is it dangerous? Is there any dangerous, uh, aspects of it? Health and radiation protection agencies note the doses from older backscatter x-ray scanners were extremely low. Yeah, whatever. Meanwhile, they fucking don't go anywhere near it when they turn it on, right? When you go to the dentist's office, they hide behind a brick wall.

• 24:11Speaker 02

  No, they go into the other room and you're like, what?

• 24:13Joe Rogan?

  They're in a fucking bunker.

• 24:14Speaker 02

  This thing is like right next to my head, yeah.

• 24:16Joe Rogan?

  I know, and they make you wear like a lead vest over your, your body?

• 24:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's intense.

• 24:21Joe Rogan?

  Do they still do that?

• 24:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 24:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 24:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 24:24Joe Rogan?

  I haven't gotten one of those with the lead vest in a while.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  No, and they, you're right, they go into the other room, but they're like, uh, don't move. You're just sitting there with a, you know.

• 24:33Joe Rogan?

  If there's any worries anyone should have about these body scanners.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't want to ca- I'm not causing any outrage here, I'm just curious.

• 24:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's curious.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  I'm just flying, you know, like, is this a-

• 24:43Joe Rogan?

  I don't think the TSA ones are dangerous.

• 24:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 24:45Joe Rogan?

  Major health agencies did not see any proven health risk at the levels used, but people still raise a few practical concerns. So, millimeter wave scanners use low-power, non-ionizing radio waves, and studies and reviews have not found harmful effects at the power levels used in airport screening. Sensitive groups analysis that modeled risk for children, pregnant people, uh, what? Why does it say pregnant people? Which kind of people can get pregnant? Do you think, hey, AI, hey, super genius, you think maybe it's women, you fucking asshole? Uh, and frequent flyers still found that low-added risk from backscatter scanners far below routine medical x-rays or even the radiation from flying itself. Well, that, that is a thing, too.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  Oh, right, radiation in the plane.

• 25:31Joe Rogan?

  Flying, when you're flying.

• 25:33Speaker 02

  I mean, there's so many things, isn't it just like-

• 25:34Joe Rogan?

  Why do you, let's Google that.

• 25:35Speaker 02

  We're all going down.

• 25:37Joe Rogan?

  Um, put that into perplexity, please. What is, um, why is, uh-

• 25:42Speaker 02

  Flying.

• 25:43Joe Rogan?

  Flying, why, why does that give you radiation? Is it because you're closer to the sun? Like, what is it? You're less protection?

• 25:48Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 25:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah? Is that what it is?

• 25:51Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 25:52Joe Rogan?

  Is that all it is?

• 25:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, mostly, I mean, you're not-

• 25:53Joe Rogan?

  You're up high?

• 25:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's not a lot of stuff to diffuse it.

• 25:56Joe Rogan?

  Less air, right?

• 25:57Speaker 04

  Also, something I saw someone bring up recently, too, having those screens right behind your head, because there's one in every head.

• 26:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, oh, that's gotta be bad for you.

• 26:03Speaker 04

  Millimeter wave in your head.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  Well, Wi-Fi on the plane, it's like just bouncing around, yeah.

• 26:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Wi-Fi, well, they used to be able to smoke.

• 26:11Speaker 02

  Which is crazy. I was just, the plane that I was on had the no smoking sign and it's never a good-

• 26:16Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, I would feel super uncomfortable getting on that plane.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  It's not a good feeling.

• 26:20Joe Rogan?

  That's an old ass plane.

• 26:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, when you're like, okay, thank you.

• 26:22Joe Rogan?

  How old is this fucking plane? They used to have little ashtrays, remember those?

• 26:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 26:26Joe Rogan?

  In the seats?

• 26:27Speaker 02

  And that's really crazy.

• 26:29Joe Rogan?

  And typical commercial flight, you get a small dose of extrac cosmic radiation on the order of what you expect from a medical x-ray spread out over several hours. Whoa. So every time you fly, it's like getting x-rayed? That's kinda crazy. What happens to pilots? Okay.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a good question.

• 26:46Joe Rogan?

  Put this in.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  That's a good question.

• 26:47Joe Rogan?

  Do pilots have any health risks from radiation exposure while flying?

• 26:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a good question.

• 26:55Joe Rogan?

  Ah, because I would imagine if you're flying all the time-

• 26:58Speaker 02

  They're the ones that would-

• 26:59Joe Rogan?

  It's like getting an x-ray every day.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  That's... I mean, everything is killing us, right? That's why I came on. I wanted to hear what's gonna kill us first.

• 27:10Joe Rogan?

  I don't think-

• 27:11Speaker 02

  There's so many things.

• 27:12Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  This is gonna be like a-

• 27:14Joe Rogan?

  I don't think everything's-

• 27:15Speaker 02

  Meteorite that's gonna hit us first?

• 27:17Joe Rogan?

  Okay, but there's a lot of stuff keeping us alive longer now too. Pilots and other aircrew do get more radiation than typical travelers, but whether that causes health problems is still being studied. And any added risk appears modest on a personal level. Like, they would be the ones that you would be able to study from the best, whether or not flying- And flight attendants, whether or not flying is actually bad for you.

• 27:37Speaker 02

  Well, we haven't heard anything yet.

• 27:39Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  So that's good news.

• 27:40Joe Rogan?

  You would imagine that even flying a long time. Many studies find pilots and flight attendants have higher rates of some cancers. Uh-oh. Particularly, especially melanoma and other skin cancers, and in some studies, breast cancer. However, reviews say it's not clear how much of it is from cosmic radiation versus other factors such as disrupted sleep. That's true. Like UV exposure during off time and lifestyle. Firm causal link to flight radiation alone has not been established. That does make sense with the disrupted sleep, because I talked to a pilot once who did like a lot of late night flights. And it's like, your whole body is just so wrecked. Like, people who do the night shift, like, that can't be good for you. Your circadian rhythm's all fucked up, you're sleeping during the day.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  But can't you adjust, though? Can't you adjust?

• 28:24Joe Rogan?

  If you can. But if you're the guy who gets the night shift every night.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:29Joe Rogan?

  You know, you're working at a factory and you punch in at like 8:00 PM.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:33Joe Rogan?

  Like, you're not, that's just your life, man. That's how you live.

• 28:37Speaker 02

  It's like shooting a film, and you do like- Three or four night shoots.

• 28:43Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:43Speaker 02

  Someone snaps.

• 28:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:45Speaker 02

  There's always one person that just like.

• 28:47Joe Rogan?

  Can't handle it.

• 28:49Speaker 02

  Friggin' crazy.

• 28:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  Oh, no. Chad just went. We just lost Chad. I don't know what happened to him, but he freaked out.

• 28:56Joe Rogan?

  Some people, when they can't sleep, they become big babies.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, very emotional.

• 29:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:01Speaker 02

  Very emotional.

• 29:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a thing, there's an indulgence on sets, too, from actors. It's like.

• 29:09Joe Rogan?

  There's a kind of a lack of appreciation sometimes of, because you just get accustomed to it, of how fortunate you are to be able to do what you do.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:18Joe Rogan?

  You know, very few people get to be an actor in a movie.

• 29:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:21Joe Rogan?

  And you're spazzing out because you didn't get enough sleep.

• 29:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that meanwhile, the crew.

• 29:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  Really didn't get enough sleep.

• 29:27Joe Rogan?

  They didn't get enough sleep either.

• 29:28Speaker 02

  They're working two hours before you and two hours after.

• 29:31Joe Rogan?

  But if they spaz out, they'll get fired.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, immediately.

• 29:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and that's the difference. Like, it's not an equality thing. So these people all, they're aware they're like royalty, walking around this film set. You know, it's kind of odd.

• 29:43Speaker 02

  Well, it is odd, and at the same time, it's. It's a, it's a very unique experience, right? Because this person has to be on camera, and every inch of their face is, you know, gonna be six feet tall in a movie theater, and so. Everybody's just making sure that person is doing okay, and they look okay, and they feel okay. Because if they don't.

• 30:11Joe Rogan?

  Uh-huh.

• 30:12Speaker 02

  Then they don't, you don't have anything.

• 30:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  You don't have anything to shoot. So everybody is just like.

• 30:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:17Speaker 02

  Are you okay? Are you feeling okay? Are you hydrated? Do you need water? Do you need a piece of turkey?

• 30:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, the, of, the results of that, like psychologically, over a prolonged period of time, people usually get really weird.

• 30:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I agree.

• 30:32Joe Rogan?

  That's the, their normal experience.

• 30:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:34Joe Rogan?

  Is everybody's treating them like, hey, take care of your hair.

• 30:37Speaker 02

  Are you okay?

• 30:37Joe Rogan?

  Are you getting it?

• 30:38Speaker 02

  I got one hair out of this.

• 30:39Joe Rogan?

  Okay, brush your shoulders off.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  It's true.

• 30:42Joe Rogan?

  It's kooky.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  It's kooky, and that's why, you know, the people that start early, especially that have success early.

• 30:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:49Speaker 02

  It's not.

• 30:50Joe Rogan?

  Not good.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  It's not good. It's not a good way to kick off your life. It's like, this is not normal. If you think this is normal, that's you're gonna be real sad in a few years, cause.

• 30:59Joe Rogan?

  And I don't think you can recover from a bad developmental period that way.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  It's hard.

• 31:04Joe Rogan?

  It's different. It's different than anything else. Like, you could have a bad childhood, it'll make you more resilient. But a bad childhood in front of the whole world.

• 31:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:13Joe Rogan?

  And you've never had to really work, and you've never had to really struggle, and you've been famous since you were young. So your interactions with people from the time you're young is people loving you for your work, which is not good for kids.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  No, it's not. And the way you look.

• 31:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  That's a big part of it, which is hard.

• 31:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 31:28Speaker 02

  So it's not just your work, you know, it's like, what we're talking about, you have to look good.

• 31:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 31:34Speaker 02

  While you're doing it. It's just part of the job.

• 31:35Joe Rogan?

  Especially as a woman, that's a big factor. But I always liken it to like, concrete. Like, if you make concrete incorrectly, so like, if you decide to mix it, but you don't add enough water, or you don't, it's only you can add water later.

• 31:48Speaker 02

  No.

• 31:48Joe Rogan?

  Once it's solid. It's like, that's what it is.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  It's gonna be lumpy?

• 31:52Joe Rogan?

  It's just gonna be sucky, weak-ass concrete that's gonna break.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  Wait, when did you get, what was your first break? Was it, was it news radio?

• 31:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I was on another show before news radio called Hardball. It was a sitcom that was on Fox. That's what I actually moved out to LA for. And if, if that show got canceled, and if I didn't have a lease on an apartment, I would've went back to New York. I hated it.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  Why, why did you hate it?

• 32:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, I didn't like the whole scene. It felt, I was used to, um, fight gyms, pool halls, and comedy clubs. Those are the people I was used to. They're the funniest, like, most brash, blunt people, and everybody's cracking on everybody, and it's like, it's jolly, those are jolly places, for the most part.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:39Joe Rogan?

  And then I went from there to this weird world of group think. And seeing people read The Hollywood Reporter every day and get really upset.

• 32:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:49Joe Rogan?

  And I would keep telling them, like, that's the devil's rag. Like, why are you reading that? Like, don't read that.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  Right, because they're just mad that they didn't get the role, or they didn't get the film, or whatever. It is odd, but yes.

• 33:00Joe Rogan?

  It's kooky. And it's also the group thing, thing. It's like, I saw it like right away. Like if a film was really good, if everybody decided it was really good, you had to say it was really good. You couldn't say, I fucking hated that movie.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:12Joe Rogan?

  Like, there was this Jack Nicholson movie where he played this asshole, and I think it was Helen Hunt.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  As good as it gets.

• 33:19Joe Rogan?

  Yes, that one. And I was like, jeez Christ, like, why? The whole idea was that he was a fucked up dude because he was on some sort of a medication. That medication made him racist. Like, it didn't make any sense.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  I remember that part.

• 33:33Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing was nuts. And I remember everybody just saying, what an amazing movie. I'm like, God, I felt bad for her. Like, get the fuck out of that relationship. Find someone who's nice to you. This is crazy.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:43Joe Rogan?

  This is crazy. Like, you know, it didn't make any sense. And I remember like arguing with people on a set about it. And like, they were all like, oh, I thought it was an amazing film. Like, they had to say it.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 33:54Joe Rogan?

  It was Jack Nicholson. Oh, no, it was amazing movie. It was like, that movie was fucking depressing, man. Like, that was all that poor lady had. She, this fucking asshole, this old asshole.

• 34:04Speaker 02

  It was like, it was like the movie Precious.

• 34:06Joe Rogan?

  I didn't see that. Yeah, I heard that was a rough one.

• 34:09Speaker 02

  You're just watching it, and you're like, well, nothing else bad could happen. And then it's.

• 34:15Joe Rogan?

  Another thing happens.

• 34:16Speaker 02

  No, it just gets worse. And by the end of it, you're just, you're just feeling like, why are we alive?

• 34:23Joe Rogan?

  I don't like those kind of movies. I don't want to feel depressed in a movie.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  Okay, so, so then you got.

• 34:29Joe Rogan?

  Then news radio.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  News radio.

• 34:31Joe Rogan?

  So that I stayed in the, in LA just because I had a lease. That was it. I'm not kidding. I was so ready to go.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  You were not gonna break that lease.

• 34:40Joe Rogan?

  I was trying to say, I didn't have the money. I was like, I was like, okay, I have some money because I did the sitcom for six episodes, so I had some money. So I was like, how much money would it cost me to just fucking pay this lease off?

• 34:51Speaker 02

  A lot.

• 34:51Joe Rogan?

  Jet. And I was like, ah, I'll just stay here. And then I got another development deal. I got a development deal with NBC. And they had this, before I did the show, they said, we have this show that we have a pilot for, but we're gonna fire this one person on the pilot. And would you, you come in and ree for it?

• 35:07Speaker 02

  Did you know, did you know who was being fired?

• 35:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it was actually a friend of mine.

• 35:13Speaker 02

  Did you know at the time?

• 35:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, he got replaced.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  Because it's hard to replace somebody.

• 35:16Joe Rogan?

  It's Ray Romano.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 35:18Joe Rogan?

  Who was a good friend of mine.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  He's a friend of mine.

• 35:19Joe Rogan?

  He's awesome. And I had worked with Ray, like, multiple times in New York. But Ray got fired, and then they replaced him with another guy who was in the pilot. And then they decided to fire that guy. So I was like, okay, well, at least I'm not taking Ray's job.

• 35:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's good.

• 35:32Joe Rogan?

  But then Ray went on to do Everybody Loves Raymond.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, he did okay.

• 35:35Joe Rogan?

  Which was like, him getting fired was the best thing that ever happened to him. So then I go in and they let me watch the pilot. It was already made. And so I got to see, it's Phil Hartman and Dave Foley and Candy Alexander and Maura Tierney and Andy Dick and Steven Root. I'm like, holy shit.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:51Joe Rogan?

  Like, I can be on this show? This show's amazing. So we did that, then I did Fear Factor.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  Well, how long was news radio?

• 36:00Joe Rogan?

  Five years.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 36:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But it really wasn't popular. It was only popular on reruns.

• 36:07Speaker 02

  Really?

• 36:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, once it got into syndication. Because we moved around, like, over the course of five years, we moved nine times, I believe.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  When you were doing news radio, that's right, I don't know what years.

• 36:20Joe Rogan?

  It was 94 to 99.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  Okay. So I got Curb Your Enthusiasm in 99. So before that, I was working for Rob and Michelle Reiner as a personal assistant. And I was also doing, like, catering at night sometimes, just to make ends meet. And one of my jobs went, and I never knew what the job would be, you know, they'd say, show up here at whatever, 5 o'clock. One of my jobs one time was, news radio, there was a little green room where, you know, agents and people, VIP.

• 36:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right, right, right, yeah.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  And I was in charge of, like, making sure the food on the table looked good.

• 37:05Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 37:06Speaker 02

  I just stood there for hours. I think Phil Hartman came in and was like, hey. I didn't know him at the time, I didn't, you know, met him. And he said, oh, you know, who are you here to see? I said, oh, I'm just in charge of this table. But that was my big job for the night.

• 37:25Joe Rogan?

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• 38:52Joe Rogan?

  Download Apple Sports for free on the App Store or find it on your new iPhone. My friend Joey Diaz, who is, at that time, he had just recently gotten out of jail. He came to visit me on the set and he realized that the good food was all in the VIP green room. So, and he, back, he's like, he's, he got overweight for a while, but back then he wasn't. Back then, he was just like a big football player. He was like a big scary-looking Cuban guy. And he was in there eating a shrimp cocktail. And they were like, who is the scary guy that's eating? And is he supposed to be in here? They all like freaked out because Joey went into like the super-secret room. And I was wondering, I wonder if he went in there when you were in there?

• 39:36Speaker 02

  Oh, can you imagine? If I was like, excuse me, sir, you can only have six shrimp. I have to watch the table.

• 39:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, he wasn't supposed to be in there. He just went in, he was just my friend hanging out. He just went in there, he's like, this is where the good food is. And he went in there and started chowing down. They were all freaking out. It was very funny. It was very funny.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  But did you like LA any better when you were doing news radio?

• 40:00Joe Rogan?

  I always wanted to leave. I always felt like it was radioactive. I always felt like there's a part of this, it's, look, the weather's great.

• 40:08Speaker 02

  It's beautiful.

• 40:08Joe Rogan?

  The Comedy Store was amazing.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:10Joe Rogan?

  It was great to have that place, but there's too many people. When there's that many people, I think you devalue people. I don't think people are worthwhile to you. I think people are way better off living in a small town or a small city. I think it's healthier.

• 40:23Speaker 02

  There's more community.

• 40:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I just, I just think when people become a, when you get on the highway and you see millions of people, like, fuck. And you see like the 405 at like 4pm, it's kooky.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  And it's like 10 lanes, just bumper to bumper in both directions.

• 40:39Joe Rogan?

  And everybody thinks that everybody else is annoying because you're in your way.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  Oh, you mean on the, on the road.

• 40:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  I thought you meant in general.

• 40:48Joe Rogan?

  Like, you're not going anywhere and someone decides to get in front of you, like, who's fucking guy?

• 40:51Speaker 02

  It's true.

• 40:52Joe Rogan?

  Everybody gets crazy.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  It is true.

• 40:53Joe Rogan?

  It's not healthy.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  No.

• 40:55Joe Rogan?

  I felt like that wasn't healthy and I really hated the whole mentality behind the group think that was a part of Hollywood. Because everybody's trying to get cast in something. In order to get cast in something, you have to be, you have to ingratiate yourself with the producers and the casting directors. Everybody has to like you. So you have to have the same opinions as they do.

• 41:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:14Joe Rogan?

  And if you don't, you have to fake it. And I was like, this is gross. Like, this is gross. The way they behave is gross, like, the casting people would treat you was gross. I didn't like it at all.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  What, you mean just going in and auditioning? Yeah. No, it was hard.

• 41:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, there was a lot of it where there was like this arrogance, this like this, like, they're giving you this chance so they're like really arrogant. I was like, hey, I don't even care about this, like.

• 41:36Speaker 02

  That's why you got the part.

• 41:38Joe Rogan?

  Probably I got some of the things.

• 41:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:40Joe Rogan?

  That's why I got Fear Factor, because I was the only one who made fun of it.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  And did you, you never had to do, you never had to like eat the spiders?

• 41:49Joe Rogan?

  I ate a bunch of stuff. I ate some spiders. Yeah, I ate a Iraqi cave spider.

• 41:54Speaker 02

  Ew.

• 41:54Joe Rogan?

  I ate a Madagascar hissing cockroach. I ate a tomato hornworm. I ate a sheep's eyeball. I ate a bunch of stuff, because I ate it just to show the people that you could eat it.

• 42:04Speaker 02

  Ew, did you ever throw up after?

• 42:06Joe Rogan?

  No, I only threw up once at home. I was like.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  Waited until you got out.

• 42:13Joe Rogan?

  That was really good editing. They did a great job. And there was this girl that was.

• 42:18Speaker 02

  You sound like Bobby. Bobby has never thrown up. It's just that he doesn't. So he will eat anything and do anything.

• 42:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, I've definitely thrown up. But this time, it was this lady was eating worms and she had to swallow the worms. And she couldn't, so she spit them up into the glass and then she had, she could keep going if she could re-drink what was in the glass that she already spit up. And so she did it. I went. Ran into the kitchen and threw up in the sink. And I was like, how? And I kept thinking, how odd? Like, what a great job they did. Well, like, the editing and the music that had got me so wrapped up in it, even though I was at home. I was like five feet away from that lady while she was doing that. I didn't throw up.

• 42:58Speaker 02

  And it didn't bother you?

• 42:59Joe Rogan?

  It bothered me, but I was trying to help her. I was trying to get her, talk her through it.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  That's why you were so good on it, because you were never making fun of people. You were never.

• 43:09Joe Rogan?

  I definitely made fun of people.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  Well, but, but not, but not in a, you're so crazy to be on this show and why are you crying? You're the one that wanted to come on. You were, you were very, uh.

• 43:21Joe Rogan?

  I wanted to help them.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:23Joe Rogan?

  I wanted to help them at the very least do their best. And there was a lot of it that I said, look, I know this sounds crazy, but if you just force yourself to chew this and swallow it, you could do it. You gotta just take your mind out of this place. It's not that bad. And sometimes I would eat things just to show them.

• 43:37Speaker 02

  Ew.

• 43:38Joe Rogan?

  Like I ate a roach just to show them. I'll eat this if you do. I'm gonna eat this roach. It's not that big a deal.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  Ew. Did you chew it?

• 43:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to. Can't swallow. It'll be alive in your stomach. Not much. Yeah.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  Ew.

• 43:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I know. It's, but it's in your head. It doesn't.

• 43:54Speaker 02

  Was it crunchy?

• 43:54Joe Rogan?

  Mm, sure. Real crunchy.

• 43:56Speaker 02

  Yeah!

• 43:57Joe Rogan?

  But the actual taste itself was not bad. I mean, it wasn't good. It wasn't like I looked forward to roaches.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  And what about rats? Did you do a lot of rat work?

• 44:06Joe Rogan?

  We did work with rats, where people had a like line of thing in a coffin.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:11Joe Rogan?

  Covered them with rats and the rats would be nibble on them.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  Uh-uh.

• 44:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's like, but they were pet rats. I mean, they were fed a healthy diet.

• 44:17Speaker 02

  Pet rats?

• 44:18Joe Rogan?

  They were. They were like raised rats. They weren't like dangerous street rats that have been eating each other.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  Did any, I mean, you probably can't talk about it, but did anything ever go horribly?

• 44:28Joe Rogan?

  Horribly wrong? No.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  Really?

• 44:30Joe Rogan?

  No, we got lucky though. It's just luck. I really believe that. Because we made them ride bulls once.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you can't control a bull.

• 44:39Joe Rogan?

  I told the people, don't do it. When, when all the contestants, I said, I wouldn't do this. I'll tell you right now. I don't think you should do it. Because it's not worth it. I go, the kind of catastrophic injury that you get from a bull stomping on your face. It's like, you don't come back from that.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:53Joe Rogan?

  Okay, you have to understand, there's not a 0% possibility that this bull stomp you or kick you while you're in the air, being launched off its body and get kicked in the face. Like, that's possible. Don't do it. I wouldn't do it.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  Some people would back out, right?

• 45:06Joe Rogan?

  They all did it.

• 45:07Speaker 02

  They all did it?

• 45:08Joe Rogan?

  They all did it. I think. I'm pretty sure.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  And then they got thrown from the bull. How do you, I mean, doesn't-

• 45:12Joe Rogan?

  They got, they flew. This one lady weighed like 98 pounds and she got, she got bucked and she went flying and landed right on her back and was like knocked out. Yeah, it was horrible. I would have never done that. I mean, and look, I've had bull riders on the podcast before. I, you know, I've talked to multiple, we had bull riders on Fear Factor.

• 45:31Speaker 02

  Doesn't it, this is, you might know.

• 45:34Joe Rogan?

  Is that you?

• 45:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:36Joe Rogan?

  Did you see?

• 45:36Speaker 02

  It's Bobby.

• 45:37Joe Rogan?

  Ringtone. Hey, put him on speakerphone.

• 45:39Speaker 02

  Seriously?

• 45:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, why not?

• 45:42Speaker 02

  Honey, you're on speaker. I'm here with Joe.

• 45:44Joe Rogan?

  We're on the podcast. You're on the podcast, so don't swear.

• 45:50Speaker 05

  Hello?

• 45:52Speaker 02

  Can you hear me, honey? You're on, we're talking to Joe right now. You're live.

• 45:58Speaker 05

  Well, thanks, baby. Hey, Joe, I'm looking forward to seeing you in a couple of weeks.

• 46:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing you too. You probably shouldn't have told people that, because then they'll start attacking you.

• 46:08Speaker 02

  Is there anything you need to tell me, or?

• 46:11Speaker 05

  I was just gonna ask Joe to be nice to my wife.

• 46:14Joe Rogan?

  Uh, why didn't you call me?

• 46:17Speaker 02

  I'm in tears over here, honey. It's really, it's going horribly.

• 46:23Speaker 05

  Alright, well bring me back some of that alpha.

• 46:26Joe Rogan?

  Alpha brain. Yeah, will do.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  Okay, baby. I love you.

• 46:30Joe Rogan?

  Take care.

• 46:31Speaker 05

  I love you.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  Bye.

• 46:32Joe Rogan?

  Bye Bobby. Love you too.

• 46:35Speaker 02

  I'm so sorry.

• 46:36Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. What was the, uh, what were you showing me?

• 46:39Speaker 04

  That Mexican OT did bull stuff.

• 46:41Joe Rogan?

  No! Mexican OD did it! No! No!

• 46:44Speaker 04

  I mean, he got up and ran away.

• 46:45Joe Rogan?

  No! Oh my god! This is a guest that was on my podcast. He's awesome. He's a brilliant rapper. Oh my goodness dude.

• 46:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, the bull got him good.

• 46:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh my goodness dude.

• 46:56Speaker 02

  That's so terrible.

• 46:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh my goodness dude, don't do that no more.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  I mean, can I ask a question to, to the men? I mean, do you wear special equipment down there when you?

• 47:08Joe Rogan?

  Yes. I assume they do. They might not while they're doing that, because I saw one guy get a horn right up his butt. Yeah, but there's no special equipment that's gonna protect you there.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  But what about your?

• 47:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You should wear a cup, for sure.

• 47:20Speaker 02

  You should wear something.

• 47:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 47:22Speaker 02

  Because that's, doesn't seem like that's healthy.

• 47:25Joe Rogan?

  Nope, definitely not healthy.

• 47:26Speaker 02

  I don't think there's anything healthy about it, right?

• 47:28Joe Rogan?

  No, definitely not healthy.

• 47:29Speaker 02

  I mean, it's just like, a lot of pressure on your balls.

• 47:34Joe Rogan?

  For sure. Yeah, yeah.

• 47:36Speaker 02

  Have you ever done it?

• 47:37Joe Rogan?

  What? Bull riding?

• 47:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:39Joe Rogan?

  No! No, I told you, never do that.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  I thought you were just telling the other people not to do it.

• 47:44Joe Rogan?

  No, no, I wouldn't, no, no, no, no. I, I have a healthy respect for animals.

• 47:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:50Joe Rogan?

  Especially big ones. I think people get super delusional. We also get super delusional when we compare size. Like, if you say, "Oh, monkey's smaller than me." That thing will fucking kill you.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  I know.

• 48:00Joe Rogan?

  Don't get crazy.

• 48:01Speaker 02

  It'll pick your eyes out, right?

• 48:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they'll rip your face apart. Yeah. There, there's a crazy video of this guy in India. Who's sitting down, and he lets this monkey, like, sit on his lap. And he's like, being all calm with the monkey, and then the monkey just decides to tear a giant chunk off his scalp. And the way it does it, it just bites his head and just yanks like a football sized piece of meat off this guy's head.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  And there's no stopping it. There's no stopping it once it starts happening.

• 48:27Joe Rogan?

  You don't know how strong they are.

• 48:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:30Joe Rogan?

  Imagine being so strong, you could just rip someone's skin clean off their head. And this is like a little thing, little thirty pound monkey.

• 48:37Speaker 02

  It looks adorable.

• 48:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and he thought he was being cute. It's like, I'm going to be peaceful.

• 48:41Speaker 04

  I won't play it. I don't know if she wants to.

• 48:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, no, I can't watch it, but.

• 48:44Joe Rogan?

  You wanna watch it?

• 48:44Speaker 02

  No, I don't. Do you wanna, you can watch it.

• 48:46Joe Rogan?

  How about I watch it?

• 48:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll look away.

• 48:47Joe Rogan?

  So he lets this thing sit on his lap.

• 48:50Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 48:50Joe Rogan?

  And then it just decides to bite his head. Look at it real quick.

• 48:53Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 48:56Joe Rogan?

  He's missing a giant chunk off his head.

• 48:59Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 49:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so he's scarred for life. You know, it was a dumb decision. You let that thing dominate you. He didn't understand what he was doing.

• 49:09Speaker 02

  No.

• 49:09Joe Rogan?

  You let that thing get on top of him, and the thing just decided for no reason, it just bite his head.

• 49:13Speaker 02

  No, we used to have a pet emu.

• 49:15Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, those are dumb as birds, by the way.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  They are so dumb. Their heads are tiny, so their brain must be, and the rest of them is big. So you just had this emu like coming at you every day.

• 49:28Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  It wasn't relaxing. I used to, I got to the point where I had to walk, I had to walk outside with a shovel.

• 49:36Joe Rogan?

  Just to protect yourself from the emu?

• 49:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 49:38Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. I have a friend who has ostriches, ostriches.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  Are they nicer? I wonder if they're nicer.

• 49:42Joe Rogan?

  Nope, he says the same thing. He hates them. He, he has this big ranch in Texas that he got ostriches. He's like, dude, I hate these things. Like, look at that face.

• 49:50Speaker 02

  No, it's terrible. They're mean and, you know.

• 49:53Joe Rogan?

  They tried to bite us on Fear Factor 2. We had an episode where they had to drink a whole ostrich egg.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  Ew.

• 49:58Joe Rogan?

  A raw ostrich egg.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  Ew.

• 50:00Joe Rogan?

  But the ostrich, we had ostriches in the background. They started just fucking with people, like biting their heads.

• 50:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they'll peck you.

• 50:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they'll peck you.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:07Joe Rogan?

  You know what else is dumb? What's, this lady was a falconer. That's what they're called, right?

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Falconer?

• 50:12Joe Rogan?

  Falconer? When they train falcons?

• 50:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's Bobby. Bobby wrote the book. Yes.

• 50:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, um, so this lady, she had a golden eagle, she had a couple of, falcons are the most fascinating. Um, but then she had an owl. And she's like, owl is, there's, first of all, one misconception is that owls are smart. She goes, they are so dumb. They're the dumbest birds next to emus. Only emus are dumber than owls.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  I didn't know that.

• 50:37Joe Rogan?

  I was like, really? That's cra- why? Like, why do we have this, you know?

• 50:42Speaker 02

  Idea that they're wise.

• 50:43Joe Rogan?

  Don't pollute, remember?

• 50:44Speaker 02

  That they're very wise.

• 50:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  Why do we think they're wise?

• 50:47Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he's counting how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll pop, remember?

• 50:51Speaker 02

  Yes, but he could never get to it.

• 50:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  So maybe we should have learned, yeah, this guy's full of shit.

• 50:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's full of shit. He's a fake professor.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  We've had some, we've had some owls in our day with Bobby.

• 51:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, pets?

• 51:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, yeah.

• 51:04Joe Rogan?

  Is this Bobby?

• 51:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 51:06Joe Rogan?

  No, this is someone?

• 51:07Speaker 04

  I saw it was going around the internet.

• 51:08Joe Rogan?

  What is this? Is that his falcon?

• 51:10Speaker 04

  You can't see where it is.

• 51:11Joe Rogan?

  Whoa. That looks like an eagle.

• 51:13Speaker 04

  He sees it from way up there.

• 51:14Joe Rogan?

  Is that an eagle or a hawk? What is that? Does it say?

• 51:17Speaker 04

  It doesn't say. I don't know if it said specifically. Did it send another Facebook link?

• 51:20Joe Rogan?

  They had a golden eagle. The golden eagle's amazing. But it kept trying to land, we had a little campfire outside, it kept trying to land on the fire.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  That's weird.

• 51:29Joe Rogan?

  Why is this bird so stupid?

• 51:31Speaker 02

  That looks like a hawk.

• 51:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it looks like a hawk.

• 51:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:34Joe Rogan?

  So this lady had, she had hawks and falcons, and she's like, the problem with hawks is, as soon as, like, you let them loose, they immediately find something to kill. She's like, they just, everything that's near them, they kill. She goes like, this sucker kills birds, he kills squirrels. Like, you let the owl go, the owl just like, goes over there, will come back to you. The eagle, the same thing. Not the hawks. The hawks are like, it's time to kill.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  No, that's what they do. It's weird. Like I said, Bobby loves hawks and falcons, and he will, I went hawking with him once.

• 52:09Joe Rogan?

  How do you do that?

• 52:10Speaker 02

  Um, well, you, you have these, they do it in twos, like these two. Birds and

• 52:19Joe Rogan?

  Are they his birds?

• 52:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:20Joe Rogan?

  So he's trained these birds?

• 52:22Speaker 02

  He's trained them and the other, uh.

• 52:25Joe Rogan?

  That's kind of a crazy thing to be good at.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  It's a very crazy, but look, even since he was young. But so it's, it's pretty fascinating because you have to do it when, after the leaves have fallen from the trees. And there are two birds that hunt together. And they go up into the trees and then it's really beautiful at first for me, cause it's

• 52:47Joe Rogan?

  Until the carnage?

• 52:47Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. So they start, they start going from tree to tree and they're communicating with each other. And they'll see, uh, you know, bunny, cute, sweet. You see where this is going? And they see a bunny down there and they go and they go and one of them does something and then the other one swoops down and grabs it. And they just tear it apart and the next thing you know, it's just, you know, bunny guts. Yeah.

• 53:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 53:14Speaker 02

  So it's cute until then, but it's pretty fascinating to watch them do it.

• 53:17Joe Rogan?

  There was some kind of a war in my backyard that was going on for a while. And I don't know what animal was doing it, but I found a bunch of beheaded hawks.

• 53:26Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 53:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know what bird was killing the hawks, but they'll, they'll kill the hawk and, and rip its head off.

• 53:33Speaker 02

  Ask Bobby, he will know.

• 53:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I bet.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  He will know.

• 53:36Joe Rogan?

  I assume it was something bigger, right?

• 53:38Speaker 02

  But yeah, they're big already. It's hard to imagine what.

• 53:42Joe Rogan?

  An owl, owls eat hawks.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  I'm really, but are they fast enough to get a, an owl is fast?

• 53:49Joe Rogan?

  Owls are silent and the, the thing about owls is there's a really interesting video that you could find. Where they take a bunch of different birds and they have them fly from point A to point B and then they have a sound, uh, meter. And the sound registers, registers the decibels of their flight.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  What they make.

• 54:06Joe Rogan?

  Owls, it's almost completely silent. They're so silent, they're so sneaky. So there's a great black and white video of this owl. And it's, uh, it's night vision, the, the camera. And you see this owl swooping up on a hawk's nest and snatches a hawk right out of the nest.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Oh my god, I wonder.

• 54:24Joe Rogan?

  But it comes out of nowhere, like you just see eyes in the distance.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's really weird. I don't think I've ever seen an owl in flight, but not that I was looking.

• 54:33Joe Rogan?

  In real life, you mean? Oh, I did. When I, where I used to live.

• 54:36Speaker 02

  Is it only at night?

• 54:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes. I've only seen him fly at night. But where I live, one time I was driving home and there was this owl that was right on the side of the road. And as I was driving, he took off with a rabbit in his talons and then just decided he didn't want to carry this rabbit anymore and let it go. Like maybe it was dangerous because the rabbit was kind of big. And then the rabbit dropped in the middle of the road. So I pulled the car over and I got out and I looked at this like gutted rabbit and this owl who had just jacked this rabbit and then just decided.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  That's so weird that it, he, I'm assuming it was an aggressive male owl.

• 55:12Joe Rogan?

  It might have been a female protecting its, or giving its young food. A lot of them is that.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  I mean, I wonder if the rabbit was diseased or something.

• 55:19Joe Rogan?

  No, it was food. No.

• 55:21Speaker 02

  But how, but that's.

• 55:23Joe Rogan?

  The rabbits can't even hear it coming. That's the thing about owls. That's why they're such brilliant nocturnal hunters. It's because, see if you can find that video of the birds, the different sounds between, they like, there's a hawk, there's an eagle. And then the owl's just like.

• 55:40Joe Rogan?

  It's like nothing. It just swoops in and just snatches them. They eat a lot of cats too, by the way. Yeah.

• 55:47Speaker 02

  I didn't know that.

• 55:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a friend of mine found, there was an owl nest and he found like six cat callers in the nest.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  Oh, I always just assumed it was coyotes.

• 55:59Joe Rogan?

  It is a lot of coyotes, but it's also owls. Owls kill a lot of people's cats.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  That is crazy.

• 56:04Joe Rogan?

  And they can fly with your cat. That's what's crazy. So watch.

• 56:08Speaker 05

  To fly over a series of super sensitive microphones.

• 56:13Joe Rogan?

  So that's a pigeon, super loud.

• 56:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, she's. Mo.

• 56:20Speaker 02

  It's a hawk.

• 56:25Joe Rogan?

  Pretty loud. Now watch the owl.

• 56:39Joe Rogan?

  Nothing. You don't hear anything.

• 56:42Speaker 02

  You don't even hear the wings.

• 56:43Joe Rogan?

  Nope, and those are super sensitive microphones.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 56:47Joe Rogan?

  Now, see if you can find the video of the owl snatching the hawk out of the nest.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  That's so crazy. I didn't know this.

• 56:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, owls are super predators. Yeah. They, they see so well at night, and they have those big heads.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, then their heads can turn.

• 57:02Joe Rogan?

  Crazy eyes. Yeah, watch this. So, see those, those dots in the distance? That's them. Watch this. Snatch.

• 57:10Joe Rogan?

  The other hawk barely knows what the hell happened.

• 57:11Speaker 02

  Oh my.

• 57:12Joe Rogan?

  Snatch.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  God.

• 57:14Joe Rogan?

  Yep. Just steals them right out of the nest. Owls are big, too.

• 57:18Speaker 02

  They seem to be... Work alone. They seem a little...

• 57:21Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 57:22Speaker 02

  Like, lonesome.

• 57:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I mean, you can't fly a flock of owls. You know?

• 57:28Speaker 02

  But like, the hawks, when they hunt, they hunt together, you know, and they're communicating with each other.

• 57:33Joe Rogan?

  Probably have to, they make so much noise.

• 57:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true.

• 57:35Joe Rogan?

  They got a clumsy approach, where the owl's sneaky.

• 57:37Speaker 02

  And how about the pigeons? They do not have a chance.

• 57:40Joe Rogan?

  So loud.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  What do they eat?

• 57:42Joe Rogan?

  Um, that's a good question. That's a good question.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Does bird seed or not?

• 57:46Joe Rogan?

  I know what eats pigeons, though.

• 57:47Speaker 02

  What?

• 57:48Joe Rogan?

  Rats in New York City.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 57:49Joe Rogan?

  There's a crazy video of a rat in New York City grabbing a pigeon and attacking it and eating it.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  No.

• 57:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and dragging it away. You've never seen that?

• 57:58Speaker 02

  I like that you think that's what I'm looking at online.

• 58:01Joe Rogan?

  What are you looking at online? Passion tips?

• 58:03Speaker 02

  It's not that.

• 58:05Joe Rogan?

  You, if you wanna live in a big city, that's, that's the nature that you get. You get rats and pigeons.

• 58:11Speaker 02

  There are a lot of rats in DC.

• 58:13Joe Rogan?

  Rats kill pigeons all the time.

• 58:15Speaker 02

  Rats kill pigeons?

• 58:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if they catch them slipping. If they're close enough where they can grab them.

• 58:20Speaker 02

  That's disgusting.

• 58:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, rats are disgusting. Yeah. Have you ever watched that documentary on Netflix called Rats?

• 58:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 58:28Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Why would never?

• 58:29Joe Rogan?

  You should.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  No, god, no.

• 58:31Joe Rogan?

  It's a game changer.

• 58:32Speaker 02

  No.

• 58:32Joe Rogan?

  It's so, it's so nutty.

• 58:34Speaker 02

  No.

• 58:35Joe Rogan?

  When you find out that the biomass of rats in New York City is roughly equal to the biomass of people. Meaning the weight of all the people in New York City is roughly equal to the weight of all the rats.

• 58:48Speaker 02

  That's gross. But you lived in New York.

• 58:50Joe Rogan?

  Is that accurate? I think that's accurate. It might be the numbers. Might be the same number of people as there are rats.

• 58:56Speaker 02

  But you didn't have a problem when you lived there?

• 58:58Joe Rogan?

  I didn't live there. I lived in New Rochelle, which was a suburb.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  That's a, that's nice.

• 59:03Joe Rogan?

  Westchester.

• 59:04Speaker 02

  Kind of quiet.

• 59:05Joe Rogan?

  I was a road comedian and I needed a parking spot. I couldn't, I couldn't afford to park in New York City. It was like, it's too hard.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:12Joe Rogan?

  It was like, you know, whatever it was for a parking spot, it was like half my rent. I was like, I can't afford that.

• 59:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:17Joe Rogan?

  Also, I don't like it. I don't like being stacked on top of people like that. All my friends who live there, they're like, yeah, I don't even know my neighbors. I'm like, this guy right across, six feet away from you, you don't even fucking know him? That's kind of crazy.

• 59:29Speaker 02

  No, there are always people upstairs, like.

• 59:32Joe Rogan?

  Banging around.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. Moving furniture.

• 59:35Joe Rogan?

  Eh, not interested.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Not your vibe.

• 59:38Joe Rogan?

  So here it is, for con, the big picture comparison, uh, 8.3 million humans at 70 kilograms each are about 580,000 metric tons of human. So rats at roughly 0.102% of human biomass in New York City, even though they're extremely visible. Oh, so it's only like, less than a percent? Wait a minute.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  Well, they're ti, they're tiny. I mean, compared to.

• 1:00:03Joe Rogan?

  So, the number of rats, is the number of rats the same? Is that what I'm getting wrong? An estimated about 3 million rats in New York City, but there's like 10 million people, right?

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  That's disgusting. The 3 million rats.

• 1:00:16Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they really know. This is, I think they're probably underestimating it because the, underneath the city is where all the rats live. There's no way they're doing an accurate count of all the rats.

• 1:00:27Speaker 02

  I feel like LA didn't seem to have a rat problem.

• 1:00:31Joe Rogan?

  This is what I screwed up on. It's actually ants with the biomass of ants on Earth. I think that's true. I think the biomass of ants on Earth is roughly equal to the biomass of people.

• 1:00:42Speaker 02

  The things that are going on inside your head are insane.

• 1:00:45Joe Rogan?

  That is a kooky number, though.

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  It is a kooky number.

• 1:00:48Joe Rogan?

  One might find out that's wrong, too. I think it's right, though. Is that what it is?

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  But I feel like LA didn't.

• 1:00:55Joe Rogan?

  The rats in New York City.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  Are aggressive and huge.

• 1:00:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, that's not true either. Is that right? What, what is that? Get rid of that little source thing.

• 1:01:05Speaker 04

  I can't, it's.

• 1:01:05Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:01:06Speaker 04

  It's not showing, it's unblocking.

• 1:01:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there it goes. Um.

• 1:01:09Speaker 02

  Quadrillion.

• 1:01:10Joe Rogan?

  Twenty crajillion? I've never seen that word.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  I mean either.

• 1:01:14Joe Rogan?

  Twenty quadrillion individuals worldwide, that's the number of ants. Wow.

• 1:01:20Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 1:01:21Joe Rogan?

  So it's twenty percent of human dry biomass. What does that mean, after you peed? And more than all the wild birds and mammals combined. That's crazy. There's more weight from ants than all the mammals and birds combined. That's crazy.

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  That is crazy. But, uh.

• 1:01:43Joe Rogan?

  That is crazy. I have them in my backyard and they're leaf cutter ants. No, they're cool.

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  They're cute. They carry all those little tiny.

• 1:01:50Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. It's like, how do you guys know? How do you know to do this?

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  And they work together.

• 1:01:55Joe Rogan?

  They work together.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, they have these. Have you ever seen what the leaf cutter ant colonies look like under the surface?

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:02:02Joe Rogan?

  So they take them and they, unfortunately, they do a genocide on the leaf cutter ants for science. And they fill up their entire colony with cement. And so they show what the structure.

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  You mean when they were studying them?

• 1:02:14Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Well, this is how they find out. You have to kill everybody and turn them into concrete. And so this enormous leaf cutter ant colony that's underground, then they dig it up and only the cement is left. And it's bananas. It's so vast.

• 1:02:30Speaker 02

  Like little tunnels, like little.

• 1:02:31Joe Rogan?

  They have fermenting, fermentation tubes. So they have an area where they put leaves into ferment and then they have a tunnel that goes up to the surface so it can get air.

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:02:42Joe Rogan?

  So this is it. They fill up, this is the ant, the leaf cutter ant colony. Look at the ones on the outside going, "How the fuck? What the fuck? My cousin's in there."

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  They are freaking out.

• 1:02:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're freaking out. And so then they have to excavate and they dig out this area and it is absolutely massive.

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  So these are, that's the concrete that.

• 1:03:02Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. So the concrete that's left is what the colony actually looks like underground. It's enormous. It's like the size of a house. Like, look at that. What do they have to do with these stupid fucking ads that you can't even get rid of that cover a quarter of your screen? But look, pause that real quick. Look at that.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  That is crazy.

• 1:03:21Joe Rogan?

  Bananas, absolutely bananas.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  But those are-

• 1:03:24Joe Rogan?

  That a tiny little ant and all of his friends can make something like that.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  I like it that they're all friends.

• 1:03:30Joe Rogan?

  They're all friends.

• 1:03:31Speaker 02

  You think that there are some that are like, "I hate that asshole."

• 1:03:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, probably.

• 1:03:34Speaker 02

  "He's so lazy."

• 1:03:34Joe Rogan?

  He's a lazy bitch.

• 1:03:35Speaker 02

  "We're all working our asses off and he's just over there like taking it easy."

• 1:03:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's some ants where um the female will find the male and they cut his legs off, his arms and legs off, and then carry him to uh to the colony so that he could breed.

• 1:03:54Joe Rogan?

  Find that, which ant, which ant is that? Yeah, they find him and they cut his arms and legs off so he can't go anywhere.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  And he just does one thing.

• 1:04:02Joe Rogan?

  They drag him away.

• 1:04:03Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:04:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like we need to-

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  You think he thinks it's an honor?

• 1:04:06Joe Rogan?

  I don't think he thinks. Right? How can he?

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:04:10Joe Rogan?

  I think they're like, they're almost like little robots, little biological robots.

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  It seems like they are working together and coming up with plans and, you know, landscapes and-

• 1:04:21Joe Rogan?

  They, but the thing is, it's, this is a universal thing. This is what's really weird. Like, here we are in Texas, but there's probably leaf cutter ants right now in Florida. There's probably leaf cutter ants right now all over the world, and they're all doing a similar thing underground.

• 1:04:35Speaker 02

  But leaf cutter, so they're completely different than, say, red ants?

• 1:04:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, there's a bunch of different kinds of ants, but the thing that differentiates leaf cutter ants is that they go to trees, they chop off their leaves, they take these little pieces of it and then they carry it back into their leaf cutter ant colony. And then they have all these places where they store the leaves and the leaves ferment and they kind of rot, and then they have air pipes that go up to the surface. It's super, super complex.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:05:05Joe Rogan?

  And it just makes you think like, what, how do they know to make this chamber and then a passageway to the chamber?

• 1:05:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:05:12Joe Rogan?

  And how do they all know?

• 1:05:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:05:13Joe Rogan?

  All over the world.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:05:15Joe Rogan?

  It's very weird. It's a very weird thing that they do, but I have them in my yard and I just sit there and watch them.

• 1:05:20Speaker 04

  I can only find stuff about them amputating uh limbs for uh like saving their lives, not breeding.

• 1:05:27Joe Rogan?

  Now, it was a specific kind of ant?

• 1:05:29Speaker 04

  I typed it in four different times. All I could get was that uh queen ants will amputate their wings afterwards, but I didn't see anything about cutting off a male's limbs and dragging them for breeding. It says they all do it to address wounds.

• 1:05:44Joe Rogan?

  I wish I could remember what it was. It was a specific kinda ant.

• 1:05:47Speaker 02

  I'm gonna go to town on that.

• 1:05:50Joe Rogan?

  Ruthless world of insects. We're lucky they're little, you know?

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  Cause they're smart. Well, you don't think they think. You think they've got some sort of, um, activity.

• 1:06:04Joe Rogan?

  I think they have activity, but I think they're operating on a program.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  They don't have feelings.

• 1:06:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they have any feelings. No, I definitely don't think they have feelings. Is it, I mean, if like a praying mantis was the size of a German shepherd, we'd have a real problem.

• 1:06:20Speaker 02

  Cause they're vicious.

• 1:06:22Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. You wouldn't be able to get away from them.

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  Do you think they have feelings?

• 1:06:26Joe Rogan?

  I don't think so. I think they're, they're the scariest life form to me.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  Why?

• 1:06:31Joe Rogan?

  Because they're so strong for their size. They're, they're way, way, like, you can't even, like, I've seen praying mantis snatch hummingbirds off of a bird feeder and kill them.

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  Are you serious?

• 1:06:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. They wait on a bird feeder. They sit there like this and they just wait.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  And they don't move?

• 1:06:49Joe Rogan?

  They don't move. And the hummingbird doesn't recognize them. The hummingbird comes over, eats out of the bird feeder and just snatches them. And the bird's way bigger than the, the mantis. And the mantis can hold on to the hummingbird.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  Where do they take it? Do they take it some?

• 1:07:02Joe Rogan?

  Kill it, eat it right there.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:07:04Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 1:07:06Speaker 02

  But aren't they small?

• 1:07:08Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. That's why we're lucky that they're really small. Because if they were the size of like a dog, they would 100% be able to kill you. Just like that monkey is like super strong. Well, if a mantis was the size of that monkey, the monkey would have no chance. That mantis would just snatch it and just start eating it.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  Good point. Cause that guy, cause a monkey must look at a man and think that guy is bigger than me, but I don't care. I'm going for it.

• 1:07:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I don't think they have any respect for people. I think their interactions with people or that people are soft and that they're scared of them. And so they're, that's how they-

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  What, what, what's the monkey gonna do with its scalp? You know what I mean?

• 1:07:43Joe Rogan?

  See, look at that mantis. See him sitting there?

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:46Joe Rogan?

  The hummingbird doesn't know what's going on. He's just motionless. And so as the hummingbird gets close, tries to get a little water.

• 1:07:57Joe Rogan?

  And watch how it snatches it to it so fast. Watch it right there. Bang.

• 1:08:04Joe Rogan?

  Gotcha.

• 1:08:06Joe Rogan?

  Look at the size of the bird. I mean, the body mass of the bird, it's gotta be a lot more than the mantis. And the mantis is just holding on to it definitively, like it has no chance, oh, the guy knocked it loose. What a bitch.

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  That is so crazy.

• 1:08:23Joe Rogan?

  Really crazy. It just gets it. So there's other ones where you see the mantis like hanging on and eating it.

• 1:08:31Joe Rogan?

  They're incredible little creatures.

• 1:08:33Speaker 02

  Is that what they mostly eat, hummingbirds?

• 1:08:35Joe Rogan?

  No, they eat all kinds of stuff. But this one is just sitting there eating a hummingbird.

• 1:08:39Speaker 02

  Ew.

• 1:08:40Joe Rogan?

  The other weird thing is the amount that they can eat.

• 1:08:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's why, it looks like a tiny twig.

• 1:08:46Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:08:47Speaker 02

  Oh, how can it eat a hummingbird?

• 1:08:48Joe Rogan?

  There's a video, well, there's one Instagram page that I follow that's just mantises eating a bunch of different bugs.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  I like. That's where you fall.

• 1:08:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I follow a lot of stuff.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  Is it relaxing, or it's just fascinating? It's just like gets your mind off of politics.

• 1:09:04Joe Rogan?

  Just weird. Weird to watch this creature and it eats a roach that's like bigger than it. And it eats the whole thing. All, like, like this guy just gets this roach, this size of a roach. He's just gonna chew through that entire roach. And that sucker's still alive for the beginning. He just eats his head, and then he stops being alive, and then he just goes right through him. Like, look at this, this is nuts.

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  And then, do you think it doesn't eat again for a long time, like snakes?

• 1:09:30Joe Rogan?

  Probably, probably doesn't have to eat.

• 1:09:32Speaker 02

  Ew, that's so gross.

• 1:09:35Joe Rogan?

  Eat its legs. And it keeps going, and it eats the entire thing, like there's nothing left of that roach. And that roach is as big as him, like where'd it go? How are you doing that?

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:09:46Joe Rogan?

  You ever see a fat praying mantis? No, they don't exist.

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  I hardly see them. Oh, but I haven't been looking.

• 1:09:53Joe Rogan?

  Look, there's the page. Yeah, you have a highlights reel on it.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  You have a highlights reel. Joe.

• 1:10:00Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious, it's called cryptic mantis.

• 1:10:04Joe Rogan?

  Is that what the name of it is? What is it? Cryptic, yeah, cryptic with a K, mantis.

• 1:10:08Speaker 02

  And their eyeballs are crazy.

• 1:10:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a weird animal. I mean, if that insect was big, it would be a real problem. So look, he's like dangling that roach in front of it and just snatches it.

• 1:10:21Speaker 02

  Ew.

• 1:10:22Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that's like you eating a poodle. It's crazy, it just eats the whole thing in one sitting.

• 1:10:26Speaker 02

  Just the whole thing.

• 1:10:27Joe Rogan?

  The whole poodle.

• 1:10:28Speaker 02

  The little paws.

• 1:10:29Joe Rogan?

  The nose, the head, eyeballs.

• 1:10:31Speaker 02

  That would be.

• 1:10:31Joe Rogan?

  The tail, everything. He just eats everything.

• 1:10:34Speaker 02

  Ew.

• 1:10:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they, that exists in nature. I mean, we're playing a totally different game, you know? Our game is, we're soft and, you know.

• 1:10:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, look at that thing.

• 1:10:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:46Speaker 04

  A Peruvian dragon mantis.

• 1:10:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, imagine that was like big. Imagine that that thing was like the size of a giraffe. It'd be a giant problem, just runs into a city and eats everybody.

• 1:10:56Speaker 02

  Sounds like a movie.

• 1:10:57Joe Rogan?

  Does.

• 1:10:58Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:10:59Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, that's how actresses think.

• 1:11:02Speaker 02

  That sounds like a great movie. I could be the scientist.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  The mantis gets stuck in a tube with a guy's head.

• 1:11:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:14Speaker 02

  Something like that.

• 1:11:14Joe Rogan?

  Dum dum dum, like The Fly. Remember that Jeff Goldblum movie?

• 1:11:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:11:18Joe Rogan?

  That movie was great.

• 1:11:19Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:11:19Joe Rogan?

  And that was a remake of an earlier one. There was an earlier The Fly movie, which is a lot weirder.

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:11:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was weird for the time, because the guy had like a weird costume on, like a fly head on, but like a person's body. But The Fly was cool because you see Jeff Goldblum, like, that's the original Fly.

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:11:38Joe Rogan?

  See like a one human hand, one fly hand. But the Goldblum one was great.

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  No, I love, I love Jeff Goldblum.

• 1:11:46Joe Rogan?

  So this guy just had like a mask on. He's like a regular dude with a mask. I'm the fly. You know?

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  But I got a hand, so you know that I'm a-

• 1:11:54Joe Rogan?

  But the Goldblum one was cool, because you see like him start to slowly turn mad.

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  Yes, and his mannerisms, and he was so great.

• 1:12:01Joe Rogan?

  Spikes start poking out of his skin. He's like, what is this?

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:05Joe Rogan?

  You know, he didn't realize that a fly had gotten in there with him and they'd matched DNA.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  Jeff Goldblum's great.

• 1:12:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's great. He's, yeah.

• 1:12:13Speaker 02

  He's very, he's very, very intense and at the same time, very likeable and-

• 1:12:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fun, jolly.

• 1:12:21Speaker 02

  Tell me about you.

• 1:12:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:22Speaker 02

  Tell me what makes Sherlock.

• 1:12:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, him and Jurassic Park, like, really helped make that movie. Like, the rational scientist

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:33Joe Rogan?

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• 1:14:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's always thinking.

• 1:14:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  Not judging, not freaking out.

• 1:14:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, definitely sort of judging. But it was just that, like, yeah, there should be a fucking scientist that says, "What are you doing?"

• 1:14:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:42Joe Rogan?

  Like, "What are you doing?"

• 1:14:43Speaker 02

  Are you sure you should be doing that?

• 1:14:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, these don't belong here. These are from a time where we weren't around. You shouldn't bring them here. We can't compete with them. If it wasn't for that big rock that hit the Yucatan, we probably would have never become people because they would have been around.

• 1:14:57Speaker 02

  I never saw Jurassic Park.

• 1:14:59Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:15:00Speaker 02

  Mm-mm.

• 1:15:00Joe Rogan?

  What? How? How'd you avoid that movie? It's one of the greatest movies of all time.

• 1:15:04Speaker 02

  I know, it didn't sound good to me.

• 1:15:08Speaker 02

  Like dinosaurs?

• 1:15:10Joe Rogan?

  It's so good. It's such a good movie. It's such a good movie too, because it's uh, it was like one of the first movies that used CGI, but they did it really well.

• 1:15:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:21Joe Rogan?

  And the thing about CGI with dinosaurs is, it's so different than CGI with like, do you remember I Am Legend?

• 1:15:28Speaker 02

  Mm-mm.

• 1:15:29Joe Rogan?

  The Will Smith movie? Never saw that one?

• 1:15:31Speaker 02

  No. Is it science fiction?

• 1:15:32Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:15:33Speaker 02

  I don't watch science fiction.

• 1:15:35Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 1:15:35Speaker 02

  Not usually.

• 1:15:36Joe Rogan?

  It's a zombie movie, essentially.

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:38Joe Rogan?

  Like a disease sweeps over the country. But in that movie, there's um, there's CGI lions in New York City, and they look so vague. They look bad.

• 1:15:48Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:15:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because you know why?

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  And what was that? That was like 2010?

• 1:15:53Joe Rogan?

  Was it even? I feel like it was earlier than that. When was I Am Legend?

• 1:15:59Joe Rogan?

  2007?

• 1:16:00Speaker 02

  Okay, but go ahead. You were gonna say why.

• 1:16:01Joe Rogan?

  Because you know what a lion looks like. You don't really know what a dinosaur looks like.

• 1:16:06Speaker 02

  Ah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:06Joe Rogan?

  So your brain doesn't register that, oh, that looks fake.

• 1:16:09Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:16:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so when you see the T-Rex, when he comes over the fence, and also the way they shot it, like Spielberg is a genius.

• 1:16:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:16Joe Rogan?

  The way they shot it at night, where, and it's kinda like, you know, in the jungle, so it's like partially obscured. You ever seen the scene where the T-Rex emerges for the first time, when the kids are in the car?

• 1:16:26Speaker 02

  Mm-mm.

• 1:16:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you need to see this.

• 1:16:28Speaker 02

  I have so many things to look up to. I have so many rabbit holes to go down.

• 1:16:34Joe Rogan?

  How have you not seen this movie?

• 1:16:35Speaker 02

  I don't know. Is it just that things are so-

• 1:16:37Joe Rogan?

  The original Jurassic Park's one of my favorite movies ever.

• 1:16:40Speaker 02

  Okay, I guess I'm gonna have to watch it.

• 1:16:41Joe Rogan?

  I loved it, because it, for me, it, it's a real potential possibility. I'm friends with the guys over at Colossal. Those are the guys that brought back the dire wolf. Like, they have actual dire wolves now.

• 1:16:54Speaker 02

  What is a dire wolf?

• 1:16:55Joe Rogan?

  A dire wolf is an extinct breed of wolf. And I know there's geneticists out there that are freaking out. That's not a dire wolf! It's not! What they've done is just taken the characteristics of a dire wolf and recreated it.

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  Are they, are they small? Are they like the size of a-

• 1:17:09Joe Rogan?

  No, they're very big. They're bigger than a regular wolf. And they're weird looking, like, they have a mane, and, you know, they're all white. Like, they're really cool looking, yeah.

• 1:17:17Speaker 02

  And they walk on all fours. That's a dumb question. Of course. Now, I'm thinking about your werewolf in London.

• 1:17:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he walks on all fours too.

• 1:17:26Speaker 02

  Does he?

• 1:17:26Joe Rogan?

  That's from American Werewolf in London.

• 1:17:28Speaker 02

  But he can go-

• 1:17:29Joe Rogan?

  No, that's a dire wolf.

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  Oh wow, they're really pretty.

• 1:17:31Joe Rogan?

  Colossal guys, yeah, they're, they're really interesting. It's really interesting because you see them.

• 1:17:35Speaker 02

  Wow, it's really pretty.

• 1:17:36Joe Rogan?

  And um, when I saw them, they were in the, it was in the summertime and they uh, apparently they're, they were about six months old and they're gonna get a lot larger.

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  Oh wait, so they came back from extinction?

• 1:17:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they brought, they brought them back from extinction through genetic engineering.

• 1:17:52Speaker 02

  Ah, that's crazy.

• 1:17:55Joe Rogan?

  They have dire wolf DNA, they mixed it with gray wolf DNA. I don't know how they did it, they, they could tell me, I'll, I'll forget five minutes later. But whatever it is, that's a different thing that ever existed before, since the dire wolves went extinct.

• 1:18:08Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:18:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so my fear is that these assholes, not these guys, but that someone, some scientific asshole, will make a Jurassic Park. Will say, hey, you know, we found an island that we can buy, that's a, you know, fifty thousand square acres or whatever it is, and we're gonna take and put a few dinosaurs on this island and make it so that people can go visit it. Like, that's, that's possible. People could do that.

• 1:18:34Speaker 02

  Well, it's, it sounds possible, but it doesn't sound worse than like AI things that can be done on your computer and to our brains, like, uh, like.

• 1:18:49Joe Rogan?

  You're more afraid of AI than you are of dinosaurs. That's rational, because AI is more likely.

• 1:18:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, because if somebody said, hey, you could go visit this island that has dinosaurs, at least I'd have a choice and I'd be like, ah, mm, no thanks. But like, I will sometime, if you're just talking about a poncho.

• 1:19:09Joe Rogan?

  A poncho?

• 1:19:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:10Joe Rogan?

  Like a?

• 1:19:11Speaker 02

  Like you, like a poncho that, you know, like little blanket that has a hole and.

• 1:19:14Joe Rogan?

  Got it.

• 1:19:15Speaker 02

  It's a word that doesn't come up much, but when it came up, I was just talking to my friend about a poncho. And then all of a sudden on my phone, there were like, lots of ads. Yeah, so it's, that to me.

• 1:19:28Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if I'm gonna get some now?

• 1:19:30Speaker 02

  You are.

• 1:19:30Joe Rogan?

  Poncho ads.

• 1:19:30Speaker 02

  You're gonna get some poncho ads.

• 1:19:32Joe Rogan?

  I've never had a poncho ad. If I get one right now, I'll know.

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, I know, you, you are, we're all dialed in somehow.

• 1:19:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's for sure.

• 1:19:41Speaker 02

  So I would rather have, I would rather have, I would rather be running away from a, I would rather die from uh, being squashed by a dinosaur than, mm, just go crazy from.

• 1:19:56Speaker 02

  Thoughts of things that have been put into my head from AI? Does that make sense?

• 1:20:03Joe Rogan?

  Sort of. I don't want to die either way.

• 1:20:06Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:20:06Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to die by AI.

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  Well, if you had to choose.

• 1:20:08Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to die by dinosaur.

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  If you had to choose one or the other?

• 1:20:12Joe Rogan?

  I really don't think either one is preferable. I think the dinosaur is more unlikely. The AI one is seems very possible. There's not. There's not a real good roadmap that I've seen where AI is not completely disruptive in every aspect of our life. And the only people that do provide that roadmap seem to be profiting off of AI.

• 1:20:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:39Joe Rogan?

  You know, some people think it's going to increase productivity, like Elon thinks it's going to increase productivity to the point where we'll have, no one will have to work anymore. And you'll have what they call universal high income, that's what he's calling it. But then you have this real problem of what do people do with their time?

• 1:20:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20:55Joe Rogan?

  Like, how do, so many people really identify with whatever they do as a job.

• 1:21:01Speaker 02

  Right, right. And it gives you a sense of purpose, right? Most people need a sense of purpose to be, have a, to feel happy.

• 1:21:09Joe Rogan?

  They also like providing for themselves. Like, people like the fact that you work all week, you come home, you get your paycheck, and, you know, now you can go to the restaurant, you can go, and it's all your money.

• 1:21:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:20Joe Rogan?

  You bought it, you, you worked hard, and now, you know, you bought a, whatever you bought.

• 1:21:25Speaker 02

  A poncho.

• 1:21:25Joe Rogan?

  You paid for it, a poncho. You paid for it with your labor.

• 1:21:28Speaker 02

  The most beautiful poncho in the world.

• 1:21:30Joe Rogan?

  And people like being good at something, right? If you're the guy that, you know, if you, there's something going on, you need something fixed, and you go to Henry. Like, Henry loves the fact that Cheryl calls him up because she knows that he knows how to fix things.

• 1:21:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:42Joe Rogan?

  What do we, what do we do with Henry? When Henry loses, is, like, we say, we, your job's useless. You're basically like a guy who owns Blockbuster Video.

• 1:21:50Speaker 02

  Well, is that like, is that like, um, very, very wealthy? People that are born into money that don't have to work, that don't have to.

• 1:21:59Joe Rogan?

  That's even worse, right? Because that's like very wealthy people that are born into money have never had to prove themselves. They've always been more special than everybody else. If everybody has universal high income, that won't be a unique thing. It'll be basic. So optimistically, I would say the optimistic take on it is if that was the case, what the real positive aspect is, you wouldn't have to work for your basic needs. And what you could decide to do instead is pursue something that you're really interested in, like maybe.

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  Become an expert in something.

• 1:22:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, or study a bunch of different languages all day.

• 1:22:35Speaker 02

  But will people?

• 1:22:37Joe Rogan?

  Some people will.

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:38Joe Rogan?

  But I think that's always the case.

• 1:22:40Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:22:41Joe Rogan?

  Some people would take advantage of a situation and like some people during COVID.

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:44Joe Rogan?

  They said, okay, some people just became alcoholics and they lost everything. Some people said, I'm gonna start a side business. I'm gonna start an online business because an online business, they can't shut down during a pandemic. And and a lot of people become very profitable because of that.

• 1:22:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:01Joe Rogan?

  It's like, why do we need to just work all day? If you're a laborer, is that really the only use of your time? Like if you're doing it for food, I get it. You're doing it for housing, I get it. It's a good job. It's a solid, honest way to make a living. But if you don't have to do that anymore, and then you just get money from the government and from whatever income AI is generating, wouldn't you rather play soccer or go do this or whatever your thing is?

• 1:23:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:31Joe Rogan?

  Painting, whatever your thing is.

• 1:23:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:23:33Joe Rogan?

  You know, you could find, yeah, anything. You could find a thing that gives you meaning other than just your work.

• 1:23:40Speaker 02

  Right. Because if you're working in a factory and you're just, you know, putting the dial on the box, that's not fulfilling and you're not going anywhere, you're not doing anything.

• 1:23:48Joe Rogan?

  That stuff has only been around for a while, like a small amount of time. Like being a worker in a factory or an office, how long has that even been around? The idea that we can't exist without that being around is crazy.

• 1:23:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:00Joe Rogan?

  Because for thousands and thousands of years, there was no money. People just like hunted and fished and traded things and started raising animals. There's no money. You basically just tried to stay alive by gathering food.

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  So do you think that if nobody had to work, that? We could do without money altogether, that the money could disappear and then.

• 1:24:24Joe Rogan?

  That's a scary thing because someone's gonna have it. There's gonna, there's gonna be.

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  But then if there's no value to it.

• 1:24:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but there's always gonna be value. Like, this is the scariest.

• 1:24:33Speaker 02

  From country to country or world wider?

• 1:24:35Joe Rogan?

  Everything. The control of resources. Resources are always gonna be valuable. It's always gonna be valuable to have oil. If you have oil, you can do so many things. You could make gasoline, you could power things, you make plastics. Everything comes out of oil. Everything is petroleum based. Even your medicine is petroleum based.

• 1:24:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, but if nobody was paying you to make it.

• 1:24:55Joe Rogan?

  So everything's free? That's the idea? How is that, how's that possible? Because then no one would want to make a Ferrari. Because the only reason why you would make a Ferrari is because it's hard to get, so it costs a lot of money.

• 1:25:05Speaker 02

  Well, if AI is taking over and taking all of those jobs, and you're, you know, and the idea is that nobody's gonna have to work. So if nobody has to work, then the cars are still being made, right?

• 1:25:18Joe Rogan?

  Maybe.

• 1:25:21Joe Rogan?

  Maybe they decide how many cars get made and how many people can have a car.

• 1:25:26Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:25:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:28Speaker 02

  Does everybody need a car?

• 1:25:29Joe Rogan?

  Like Oxford, England just established like this new, um, they're, they're doing this thing called like 15 minute cities. We have like an area where you're allowed to travel to, and if you decide to travel outside of that area, you get a certain amount of them per year. And.

• 1:25:45Speaker 02

  Wait, you get a certain amount of what?

• 1:25:47Joe Rogan?

  Travel passes to leave your area.

• 1:25:49Speaker 04

  It was a congestion zone.

• 1:25:51Joe Rogan?

  Okay, whatever it is.

• 1:25:52Speaker 04

  I'm just saying, I'm just, that's what it was.

• 1:25:53Joe Rogan?

  You call it whatever you want, but whatever it is, it's the government telling you, you can't leave an area. And if you leave that area, it costs you money. So it costs you the equivalent of like a hundred dollars a day to leave this area.

• 1:26:08Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:26:08Joe Rogan?

  If you get over a certain number of them.

• 1:26:10Speaker 04

  That's what they, it's similar to what they did in New York City, however, they stopped it in New York, remember?

• 1:26:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it's crazy. That's why they stopped it, because this is the beginning of a terrible trend. So what this is, is the beginning of them telling you where you can go and how often you can go. And this is the government doing it. And the temporary congestion charge, bullshit. They've been, they've been proposing stiff like this. It's bullshit. They've been proposing-

• 1:26:33Speaker 02

  But what do you think they want to do it to-

• 1:26:34Joe Rogan?

  They want to control people. They want to be able to tell you where you can and can't go. The more they can put restrictions on you, the more they can pass laws that they can profit from. The more they can benefit from whatever control they have over you. The more they can tighten down on it. And England's a great place to do this because they've already gotten things passed through in England. Like, England doesn't have jury trials anymore, except for like murder and rape and a few other things.

• 1:26:58Speaker 02

  It's just one judge?

• 1:26:58Joe Rogan?

  It's a judge.

• 1:26:59Speaker 02

  It's one person deciding.

• 1:27:00Joe Rogan?

  So, all the people that are getting arrested for social media abuses-

• 1:27:04Speaker 02

  It's just one person deciding?

• 1:27:05Joe Rogan?

  No, it's different judges. It's wherever you get brought up, wherever you get arrested for.

• 1:27:09Speaker 02

  Right, but one judge.

• 1:27:11Joe Rogan?

  One judge, yes.

• 1:27:12Speaker 02

  Just deciding-

• 1:27:12Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:27:13Speaker 02

  Their fate.

• 1:27:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:27:14Speaker 02

  Whether they like it or not.

• 1:27:15Joe Rogan?

  Without a doubt, they're gonna go with whatever the government wants. And they've arrested 12,000 people over the last year for social media posts, just in England.

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  I know, that's intense.

• 1:27:25Joe Rogan?

  So that's the place where they're, "Oh, it's a congestion zone, fuck off."

• 1:27:28Speaker 04

  I asked Andrew about it last week. Uh, what we don't know, because we're not there. People get bussed into that area already, because it's already congested as fuck.

• 1:27:37Joe Rogan?

  I don't care. I don't care what's going on. That's, well, that's Bangladesh, okay? That's New York City, that's a lot of places. That's LA.

• 1:27:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:44Joe Rogan?

  You don't, you don't get to control whether or not people can leave an area.

• 1:27:49Speaker 04

  I understand.

• 1:27:49Joe Rogan?

  Period.

• 1:27:50Speaker 04

  Just-

• 1:27:50Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't matter what you call it.

• 1:27:52Speaker 04

  But this was because they closed the road-

• 1:27:53Joe Rogan?

  I don't care.

• 1:27:54Speaker 04

  They closed the road temporarily, and so they had to put up some-

• 1:27:57Joe Rogan?

  It's a terrible precedent. It's like what they did with Covid. They shut down this, oh, two weeks to stop the spread, and what happened? It lasted a year and a half in LA. Like, it's not, you don't give them that kind of control. You can't have, ever, the control to tell people whether they can or can't leave an area. Fuck off. That's crazy.

• 1:28:13Speaker 02

  Even their houses.

• 1:28:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:14Speaker 02

  Remember for a while, like, you weren't even, you weren't even allowed to go outside.

• 1:28:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, how about that dipshit mayor who was saying, "Usually snitches get stitches, but now they get rewards." Do you remember that? In LA, they were telling you to turn your neighbors in for having parties.

• 1:28:28Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't remember it in LA, but I remember it in other, mm, states.

• 1:28:33Joe Rogan?

  In LA? The mayor of LA? What was that kook's name? It was the mayor of LA. He was, uh, he thought he was on the right side of everything until Black Lives Matter started protesting outside his house every day for like a month. Garcetti.

• 1:28:46Speaker 02

  Oh Garcetti.

• 1:28:47Joe Rogan?

  That creep. That guy, he, he, find that thing, that snitches usually get stitches, but now they get rewards. Like, literally said that.

• 1:28:56Speaker 02

  That is so crazy.

• 1:28:58Joe Rogan?

  Snitches. Snitching on your neighbor for having too many people over.

• 1:29:02Speaker 02

  That is so crazy.

• 1:29:03Joe Rogan?

  The people were exactly five feet apart from each other.

• 1:29:06Speaker 06

  ...to let us know where those folks are.

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  Where they are.

• 1:29:11Speaker 06

  If you've observed recurring violations of the safer-at-home order, please continue to let us know at coronavirus.lacity.org/businessviolation. You know the old expression about snitches? Well, in this case, snitches get rewards. We want to thank you for turning folks in and making sure we are all safe.

• 1:29:32Joe Rogan?

  It would be cool if that lady who was doing sign language was just faking it. Because sometimes, sometimes, nobody knows sign language.

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  And she's still going after, he's still talking, he's done talking, and she's just like, "Hey, over here."

• 1:29:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, no, you know, very few people know American Sign Language, so she could have been faking it. Like, a bunch of people have been faking it before, and they got caught.

• 1:29:47Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:29:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a guy next to Obama, when Obama was giving a speech once, and this guy was completely making it up.

• 1:29:57Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 1:29:58Joe Rogan?

  He was a con man.

• 1:29:59Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 1:30:00Joe Rogan?

  Who tricked himself into being three feet from Obama. No security screening, they just...

• 1:30:04Speaker 02

  Because nobody knows how to validate or verify.

• 1:30:07Joe Rogan?

  I don't believe it was in America. I think it was somewhere else.

• 1:30:09Speaker 02

  Oh, my god. I took American Sign Language...

• 1:30:11Joe Rogan?

  And so they let this guy onstage, and you can tell, he's just making things up.

• 1:30:14Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 1:30:16Joe Rogan?

  He's like, fake sign, you've never seen this?

• 1:30:19Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:30:20Joe Rogan?

  Find the guy's fake sign language with Obama.

• 1:30:22Speaker 02

  How did they, did he get, did he get busted during the speech?

• 1:30:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's sign language people, this guy right here. So, this guy on the right, or, yeah, that guy? He's completely making shit up. So, wait for Obama to get, so, this is the Mandela Memorial. When does Obama come out? There's one with Obama next to the guy. So that was what it was. So that's the guy, see?

• 1:30:47Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:30:50Joe Rogan?

  Completely faking sign language. He was just a kook. He was like, "I can do it. Yeah, yeah, I'm good at it. Let me up there."

• 1:30:57Speaker 02

  That is crazy.

• 1:31:00Joe Rogan?

  People are nuts.

• 1:31:01Speaker 02

  People are nuts.

• 1:31:02Joe Rogan?

  You should know that as much as anybody.

• 1:31:04Speaker 02

  Listen, I've, I've learned it over and over again. And they're even nuttier at a level that I didn't know.

• 1:31:13Joe Rogan?

  What was the big turning point for you? Was it just being attached to Bobby and watching all that? Or?

• 1:31:19Speaker 02

  Uh, it was, it was Bobby running for president. It was, it's so crazy. I mean, I really got a crash course in, um, elections. And, um, it is, the craziest shit goes on. And everybody is, that's all they think about. You know, the people that are involved. They get up in the morning, "How can I fuck this guy over? I'm gonna say..." And, and they have these people that their only job is to start a rumor, is to say something, put something in the press that doesn't matter if it's true or not.

• 1:32:02Speaker 02

  If, if somebody else picks it up, it, they celebrate for the whole day. And it's like, that story, whatever it was, the thing that they said, gets picked up, that is like a day of celebration. It's a celebration from the other camps. And then it's like, your camp is now trying to figure out what to do about that. Or what kind of damage it's gonna do? And is it worth even fighting? Or is it better to just let it wither on the vine? It's just all day, every day, people are...

• 1:32:41Speaker 02

  Trying to find the craziest, craziest, doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's about, certainly if it's about politics or not. It's more exciting if it's something personal. Oh, he's wearing lifts in his boots. Oh, she's, and it's just-

• 1:33:00Joe Rogan?

  But that is an important thing. Someone's wearing lifts in their boots, like, hey. We've-

• 1:33:06Speaker 02

  How are you gonna govern this country?

• 1:33:08Joe Rogan?

  How did you get so tall? Out of nowhere.

• 1:33:10Speaker 02

  It is absurd.

• 1:33:12Joe Rogan?

  It's absurd. It's absurd behavior.

• 1:33:15Speaker 02

  Well, who gives a shit? Women wear heels.

• 1:33:18Joe Rogan?

  Right. But if a man does it and he's lying about it, I think that, as a short man-

• 1:33:23Speaker 02

  Well, did anybody ask?

• 1:33:24Joe Rogan?

  I think they did. I think they asked. You're talking about a homeboy from Florida. Yeah, I think they asked and he denied it. But it was pretty clear. There was like one podcast or one, um, talk show, one of those late night shows where he walked out. And I was like, why, you're walking like a horse. Like, you're clearly on your tippy toes. This is crazy. You've added like five inches to your height. This is bananas and it's all inside your boots.

• 1:33:46Speaker 02

  And then that's what everybody's talking about.

• 1:33:49Joe Rogan?

  But don't do that. Don't do that and no one's gonna talk. That's like a self-inflicted wound.

• 1:33:53Speaker 02

  But then it's like, oh, well, he's too short to govern the country.

• 1:33:56Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. If people think that, that's, that's on them.

• 1:33:59Speaker 02

  Well, people are crazy.

• 1:34:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they're not gonna think you're taller than you really are. Like, they've seen you for fucking decades. He's been in the public eye forever and then all of a sudden he gains four inches? Everybody's like, what's going on? Like, people know. You can't, they're scrutinizing everything. You know, you can't, you can't pull the wool over their eyes that hard. And it also, it shows like this weird thing where you're so worried about what people think about you that you're willing to wear lifts in your shoes. It's, and again, I say this as a short man. You know, it's like, it's important. Like, you-

• 1:34:30Speaker 02

  Like, just be authentic.

• 1:34:32Joe Rogan?

  That's who you are. That's who you are. You're not gonna change people's opinion of you if you wear a fucking stilt.

• 1:34:40Speaker 02

  But what does it matter? Like, if, like, if a guy had a toupee and he was running for president, would you be like, nah, no? Cause he, cause it might make him feel better to-

• 1:34:51Joe Rogan?

  Fuck your feelings. Take that fucking wig off.

• 1:34:57Speaker 02

  You should run a campaign.

• 1:34:59Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you're wearing a wig and then all of a sudden you put it on and you expect me to ignore it. That's crazy. That's crazy. If you're like bald forever and then all of a sudden you wear one.

• 1:35:09Speaker 02

  And then the day that you start wearing it.

• 1:35:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:11Speaker 02

  There must be a day in somebody's life when it's like, I'm just gonna go for it and hope nobody...

• 1:35:16Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:24Joe Rogan?

  Congratulations on growing all your hair back. This is fucking nuts.

• 1:37:28Speaker 02

  But do you, so you find it so distracting?

• 1:37:30Joe Rogan?

  No, I just find it a character flaw.

• 1:37:32Speaker 02

  Ah, I see, I see.

• 1:37:33Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 1:37:34Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:37:35Joe Rogan?

  It's like,

• 1:37:36Speaker 02

  It's like,

• 1:37:37Joe Rogan?

  You, you're, you're a 60-year-old man and you're concerned with looking attractive? Like, at this stage of your life? Like, come on.

• 1:37:44Speaker 02

  Let it go?

• 1:37:45Joe Rogan?

  This is a crazy thing.

• 1:37:46Speaker 02

  Like, whatever was gonna happen, it should have already happened, and at this point...

• 1:37:49Joe Rogan?

  This is a crazy thing to concentrate on, especially if you want to be taken seriously. Like, you should...

• 1:37:53Speaker 02

  But so, what about a guy in his, that's 25, that's wearing a toupee?

• 1:37:58Joe Rogan?

  It's that. Look, it's like, male hair loss is devastating. People talking, again, as a bald guy. Yeah, I, I got hair transplants. I did the whole thing. Um, I tried minoxidil and all the other different things. It's like, it's, you don't have any control over it. And apparently now, like, supposedly UCLA has a new remedy that just grows your hair back. And it's in tests right now, and they're gonna be able to put it on you. It's probably gonna make a trillion dollars.

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  Is it that they, is it like, a helmet that you put on your hair?

• 1:38:25Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. It's like some kind of medication that you topically apply and it grows hair. Grows hair on mice and apparently it's gonna work. They'll, I mean, it's kind of amazing that they haven't cracked that code yet. Um, but one day they will, and if the UCLA thing, then the wig business goes out of business.

• 1:38:41Speaker 02

  Then would you take it?

• 1:38:42Joe Rogan?

  No. Even if I did, I would shave my head.

• 1:38:45Speaker 02

  Why?

• 1:38:46Joe Rogan?

  100%. I love it. I love having to shave head. I love not having to talk to a barber. I don't give a shit what I look like.

• 1:38:52Speaker 02

  You would rather shave your head than have a meaningless conversation for 10 minutes?

• 1:38:58Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 1:38:59Speaker 02

  Do you shave it every day? Like, every morning?

• 1:39:01Joe Rogan?

  No, I shave it every couple, I shaved it this morning, but I shave it every couple of days. But, um, if I-

• 1:39:05Speaker 02

  So, if, if I said, if you take this, tomorrow you'll have a full head of hair, you'd be like, nothing?

• 1:39:12Joe Rogan?

  Maybe I would take it and then just buzz that down and have it really short, but I would have it stubble. Sure, buddy. Look, I got my hair back. If I wanted to, I could have all the hair.

• 1:39:20Speaker 02

  I could do it if I wanted to. I don't know, I don't know. But I could.

• 1:39:23Joe Rogan?

  But, uh, I used to love, when I had a full head of hair, I used to have, love having a crew cut. It was my favorite thing.

• 1:39:28Speaker 02

  Wow, interesting.

• 1:39:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I just love, like, I love the feeling of it, like, when you rub it and you get all the stubble up there. Like that. I just don't wanna, I don't wanna think about it.

• 1:39:38Speaker 02

  It's texture.

• 1:39:39Joe Rogan?

  Waaang, waaang, waaang. I don't want to think about it. But when I was in television, I thought about it. I was like, I can't lose my hair. That's why I got a hair transplant. I was like, I don't wanna, I'm starting to make money.

• 1:39:48Speaker 02

  But that didn't work, or you didn't like it?

• 1:39:50Joe Rogan?

  It works for a little while. But the way I describe it, I was like, you take, it's like you take people from a neighborhood where everybody's really healthy, and you move them to a neighborhood where everyone's dying. So all your neighbors die. So all the other hair that was supposed to fall out, that falls out. And the only stuff that's left is the stuff you put there. And it looks kinda ratty and sparse.

• 1:40:09Speaker 02

  What, do you take it from the, the back?

• 1:40:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they take it from the back of your head and move it to the top. Yeah. A lot of guys go to Turkey now. They do it, and they get their whole head redone. But sometimes you get a weird hairline where it's like a little too low and crazy. It's a little too flat and weird. You're like, what's going on with your hair?

• 1:40:25Speaker 02

  That's hard.

• 1:40:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:26Speaker 02

  Because how do you know? Because you're under, you're under.

• 1:40:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, you, you probably think it's a good idea, and the doctor thinks it's a good idea, and he convinces you. You're like, it's gonna look good. He's like, it's gonna look amazing. And next thing you know, you look like a wolfman.

• 1:40:39Speaker 02

  Are you out completely when you have that?

• 1:40:41Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:40:41Speaker 02

  You're, uh, the doctor's talking to you and it's like, I'm gonna put one here.

• 1:40:46Joe Rogan?

  They don't even talk to you. You can, like, watch a movie or something like that. You just sit there and chill. There's videos of guys doing it online. They

• 1:40:51Speaker 02

  You know I'm not gonna watch that. You know I'm not gonna watch it. Yeah. I wonder why more women don't do it.

• 1:40:58Joe Rogan?

  Women do it. When women start losing their hair, yeah. Quite a few of their patients are women.

• 1:41:02Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 1:41:03Joe Rogan?

  Because, like, maybe they have alopecia, so, you know, they, they can't grow it back, so they transplant it. They do.

• 1:41:10Speaker 02

  And you're okay with that?

• 1:41:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm okay with women wearing wigs, too.

• 1:41:13Speaker 02

  You just don't like men wearing wigs?

• 1:41:15Joe Rogan?

  Nope. I don't like it. I don't like men wearing, I don't like men wearing lipstick either. Unless you're a singer or someone freaky, some non-binary person.

• 1:41:25Speaker 02

  But you don't want like the guy at the grocery store checking you out.

• 1:41:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't care.

• 1:41:28Speaker 02

  It's okay.

• 1:41:29Joe Rogan?

  You might be a weirdo, you know, you're allowed to be a weirdo. I don't mind being weird. But if you want me, you want to be like, if we're all hanging out and we're gonna go out to dinner and you show up wearing lipstick and eyeshadow, I'm like, hey, Bob, fuck's going on with your face? Like, if you don't think I'm gonna make fun of that, you're crazy.

• 1:41:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay. So you just make fun of him all night, but you're not so mad that you're not gonna go out with him?

• 1:41:48Joe Rogan?

  No. I mean, it's just, it's a nutty choice, but it's like, I wouldn't want you being the treasurer of the United States with fucking lipstick on. It's like, you remember that guy that was working in the Biden administration? That was a man with lipstick and a shaved head and he was stealing all the women's clothes? He was stealing women's clothes from the airport?

• 1:42:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's a crazy person.

• 1:42:10Speaker 02

  I think there were a few.

• 1:42:13Joe Rogan?

  There was a few. They were hiring him just because they were weird. They were like, this is, this is gonna make us look woke. We're gonna hire all the right people. It's gonna be very inclusive. Okay, great. You're hiring mentally ill people. You're hiring a man who likes to steal women's clothes from the airport. Yeah, and you're putting him in charge of nuclear energy.

• 1:42:33Speaker 02

  I mean, that is, okay, so this goes back to politics, right? It's like, so you watch that and then the next election, it's a new group of people and they're weird.

• 1:42:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:42:45Speaker 02

  So it's not like just one side is.

• 1:42:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, no, no, no. I don't think, I think that's a big trap to think that it's only the Republicans or only the Democrats that are weird. No, everybody who wants to do that, the vast majority of them are unhinged. Because that is not a normal job. And they're not good at it. That's the other thing. They're not good at talking. They're not good at public speaking. They're, even the best ones are like, that's why when a guy like Obama or a guy like Clinton comes along, like, holy shit. They're, or Trump. They're so good at like talking to large groups of people and being themselves. So when someone's not good at that, it's like glaringly obvious because the most people who are good at that kind of stuff, they don't want that job.

• 1:43:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:43:31Joe Rogan?

  That job's horrible.

• 1:43:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:43:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:35Speaker 02

  That job is crazy.

• 1:43:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Job's nuts.

• 1:43:38Speaker 02

  But then do you have to be good at talking?

• 1:43:40Joe Rogan?

  You do. You do because it's part of the campaign trail.

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  Well, right. But that's the other thing too, is like. Running for something, being part of a campaign is so different than actually doing it.

• 1:43:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:54Speaker 02

  Than being, they're completely, it's like auditioning. It's so much like auditioning.

• 1:43:58Joe Rogan?

  But it's completely, it is.

• 1:44:00Speaker 02

  It's a completely different, um, skillset.

• 1:44:03Joe Rogan?

  Different job, different skillset, yeah.

• 1:44:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:06Speaker 02

  So it's like, yeah.

• 1:44:07Joe Rogan?

  At least auditioning, you actually acting in the room.

• 1:44:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:11Joe Rogan?

  You know, when you're running for president, you're not running for president in front of everybody. This is how I'm gonna do it. You're gonna pretend to be my chief of staff.

• 1:44:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:19Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna be the secretary of defense and I'm gonna put on a play. So I'm gonna show you how I would handle it if I ran across the line.

• 1:44:26Speaker 02

  I would rather that.

• 1:44:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:28Speaker 02

  I would like to see a campaign like that where it's just a little mini play.

• 1:44:31Joe Rogan?

  A little mini play.

• 1:44:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a crisis situation.

• 1:44:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:44:35Joe Rogan?

  A little Cuban Missile Crisis, right in front of everybody's eyes.

• 1:44:37Speaker 02

  And just to see how everyone would handle it.

• 1:44:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's, well, that's why when people pretend to be a president in a film, people go, you know what? He would be a great president. Like, people do that all the time.

• 1:44:48Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:44:49Joe Rogan?

  That's how Zelensky became the president of Ukraine.

• 1:44:52Speaker 02

  Cause he was a good actor.

• 1:44:53Joe Rogan?

  He was an actor as a president in a, in a TV show. And that's why everybody liked him. Did you know that?

• 1:45:00Speaker 02

  I knew that he was an actor, but I didn't know he was, I didn't know he was playing the president.

• 1:45:05Joe Rogan?

  He was playing the president. He was a comedian. And he was playing the president in a television show and people loved it. And they're like, he should be the real president. Like, that's how goofy people are.

• 1:45:14Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, that could definitely happen in this country, don't you think?

• 1:45:17Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:45:18Speaker 02

  All the people that have played the president, people will be like, yeah, that, that

• 1:45:22Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:45:23Speaker 02

  guy could definitely do it.

• 1:45:24Joe Rogan?

  Like Martin Sheen?

• 1:45:25Speaker 02

  Martin Sheen. People would be, people would say, yeah.

• 1:45:27Joe Rogan?

  He could probably be the president right now if he wanted to.

• 1:45:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:30Joe Rogan?

  I mean, if someone like that, like a top-notch actor, really wanted to campaign, everybody'd be fucked. Except for, except for they just tear him apart and attack him and make up a bunch of stuff about him and his family and blah, blah, blah.

• 1:45:43Speaker 02

  And actors are, they have thinner skin than politicians.

• 1:45:48Joe Rogan?

  Some of them do, yeah, yeah. Most of them.

• 1:45:50Speaker 02

  Most of them. Cause it's, it's, cause you, as an actor, you're putting yourself out there all the time and you feel insecure. People are, if one person doesn't like you or says that you're horrible, then it's like, oh my god. But politicians are like, what else you got? That's it?

• 1:46:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're just used to being full of shit. They live in it.

• 1:46:10Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:46:10Joe Rogan?

  They're comfortable in it.

• 1:46:11Speaker 02

  I think that there are some politicians that are true, that are authentic and truly working to make the country better.

• 1:46:22Joe Rogan?

  Absolutely.

• 1:46:23Speaker 02

  That is one thing that I've seen.

• 1:46:25Joe Rogan?

  I think there are people on death row that are innocent.

• 1:46:31Speaker 02

  They're just so few and far between.

• 1:46:33Joe Rogan?

  I just don't think it's most. I think the reality.

• 1:46:37Speaker 02

  What do you think, why do you think most, why would most people do it that aren't interested in truly, you know, making the country better or bettering the government?

• 1:46:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, it all depends upon what is, what's your motivation? Like, what are you, what are you doing it for? And I think most of them are doing it for the same reason why people become famous. They're doing it because they want to be special and they want, and they want to say the things that people want to hear so that people like them and then they can make money. I think that's why they do it. And then, once you get in, here's the thing that seems to be pretty apparent, is that, once you get in, for the most part, you have to adhere to the mindset of all the other people that are in your business. And if you don't, you get cast, like John Fetterman, like, you get cast out. They hate that guy now. They're mad at him because he says, "I think you should probably have ID to vote."

• 1:47:33Speaker 02

  I know. I like John Fetterman.

• 1:47:34Joe Rogan?

  Fucking ass. He's great.

• 1:47:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:35Joe Rogan?

  He's a sweet guy.

• 1:47:36Speaker 02

  And he says, he's authentic and he says.

• 1:47:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, that guy genuinely worked in charities for his whole life. Like, he genuinely worked in, doing philanthropy work and, like, real stuff. Like, he's not a greedy guy. He walks around in a Carhartt hoodie and shorts. He went to the fucking inauguration in shorts and a Carhartt hoodie. And I talked to him when he was there. He's, like, genuinely sweet, like, in real life.

• 1:48:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:03Joe Rogan?

  He's a nice guy.

• 1:48:04Speaker 02

  He is who he is.

• 1:48:05Joe Rogan?

  He's a big teddy bear. Very good, nice guy.

• 1:48:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:07Joe Rogan?

  And unfortunately, he had that stroke and so it messes with his ability to recall things. So, when you talk to him, like, on a show, he'll have, like, a little, like, an iPad that translates stuff.

• 1:48:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:19Joe Rogan?

  Just so he can recall the question and do it again. But, you know, he's a smart guy.

• 1:48:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:24Joe Rogan?

  He just has a weird problem.

• 1:48:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:26Joe Rogan?

  But, the thing is, like, you, you have to adhere. And if you don't, you're not allowed to have a deviating opinion. If you do, you get cast out. You know, like Thomas Massey, you see the same thing in the Republicans. Like, anybody that has an opinion that doesn't deviate with the group think, you get cast out, they'll call you a traitor, there's so terrible things about you.

• 1:48:46Speaker 02

  There's a lot of theatrics.

• 1:48:47Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of that, and I think there's a lot of people that are in that business that start off with really good intentions.

• 1:48:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:54Joe Rogan?

  And then you see them slowly give in. They slowly succumb to the weight of what that position is.

• 1:49:02Speaker 02

  But, you know, it's not like they're making a lot of money.

• 1:49:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, congresspeople?

• 1:49:10Speaker 02

  You think they are?

• 1:49:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. The way they make money is insider trading, Cheryl.

• 1:49:15Speaker 02

  Oh, God, I'm so...

• 1:49:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's so ubiquitous. That's the dark, dark secret. But it's not even a secret.

• 1:49:21Speaker 02

  Is that why they never leave?

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why Nancy Pelosi's 1,000 years old. She's worth $400 million, and she makes 170 grand a year. Make sense out of that.

• 1:49:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is a little...

• 1:49:32Joe Rogan?

  Make sense out of that. First of all...

• 1:49:33Speaker 02

  Suspicious.

• 1:49:34Joe Rogan?

  If you had $400 million in the bank, would you keep showing up for work if you're 85 fucking years old and you're in a job that pays 170 grand a year? I'd look at that paycheck every week, I'd be like, "I'm good. I'm gonna get out of here." This is crazy.

• 1:49:48Speaker 02

  I'm gonna go relax on an island somewhere.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  I'm going fishing.

• 1:49:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:51Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna go to Mexico and go fishing. This is nuts.

• 1:49:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:54Joe Rogan?

  I'd be enjoying this money. Why would you, why would you still be working? Because her net worth keeps going up and up and up. You've seen PelosiTracker.com, have you ever seen that?

• 1:50:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, my boys talk about it. Yeah.

• 1:50:05Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. She made, she's better at the stock market than Warren Buffett. She's better at the stock market than George Soros.

• 1:50:13Speaker 02

  But, but is it possible that she thinks she is moving the needle in politics in the right way?

• 1:50:25Joe Rogan?

  It's possible, sure. It's possible that she convinces herself of that. It's also possible that staying in office is the best way to ensure you're not prosecuted.

• 1:50:35Speaker 02

  Well...

• 1:50:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because if somebody goes after you, if that's not legal, and if you really did have insider information and you bought a bunch of stock in something that you knew that... I think there's a real good case that that shouldn't be legal. It seems like it is legal now, but if you're involved-

• 1:50:51Speaker 02

  I don't know, is it legal?

• 1:50:52Joe Rogan?

  I think it's a very gray area because the congresspeople are allowed to trade and buy stocks, and they most certainly have bought stocks when they knew that a certain market is going to be affected by a decision that only they knew was going to be made.

• 1:51:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:51:07Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of evidence for that. Like, that's how you make that much money. There's a lot of them, and it's not a Republican or a Democrat issue. It's red, blue, red, blue.

• 1:51:16Speaker 02

  Across the board, yeah.

• 1:51:16Joe Rogan?

  They're all making crazy loot. Not all of them. Like Tulsi Gabbard didn't do it. There's a bunch of people that didn't do it.

• 1:51:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:22Joe Rogan?

  But there's a lot of them that wind up making a ton of loot, and they get super defensive about it.

• 1:51:28Speaker 02

  Well, nobody wants to say, "Yeah, I did it."

• 1:51:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, tell me how you became worth $400 million without providing any product. Like, if you invented some new mouse that's like better than any other computer mouse, like, oh, I see why you made that money. Congratulations.

• 1:51:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:50Joe Rogan?

  But what'd you do? What'd you do? Most people who make $170,000 a year are kind of doing well.

• 1:51:56Speaker 02

  They're doing okay.

• 1:51:57Joe Rogan?

  They're doing well. Probably have a nice car, probably live in a nice house.

• 1:51:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:00Joe Rogan?

  You're not worth $400 million.

• 1:52:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:52:02Joe Rogan?

  That'd be the rarest of rare people. Imagine if you were making $170,000 and you were working side by side with Bob, and all of a sudden Bob's buying a fucking Ferrari. He's got his own private jet.

• 1:52:12Speaker 02

  He's like showing up with his driver.

• 1:52:14Joe Rogan?

  Bob, what are you doing?

• 1:52:15Speaker 02

  But, uh, but, but, and, or. And I don't know the answer to this, but I probably should. Um, aren't there finances exposed every year or no? Is that just when you run for president?

• 1:52:27Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I mean, certainly when you run for president. Then they want to see your, they want to audit you, or they want to see your tax forms.

• 1:52:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, which is cute, so fun.

• 1:52:37Joe Rogan?

  But when you look at like the net worth, and it's very difficult to find out what someone's net worth is, but if you look at the net worth of congresspeople, a lot of them are millionaires.

• 1:52:47Speaker 02

  But were they millionaires before they win it?

• 1:52:49Joe Rogan?

  A lot of them weren't.

• 1:52:50Speaker 02

  Uh, I don't know.

• 1:52:51Joe Rogan?

  Ilhan Omar was, she was in debt before she got into office.

• 1:52:54Speaker 02

  This is a question, right?

• 1:52:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, now she's worth millions. Kind of odd. She's good. She's really good at her job.

• 1:53:01Speaker 02

  She's got lucky?

• 1:53:01Joe Rogan?

  She's really good at her job.

• 1:53:02Speaker 02

  She's really good at her job. I mean, I am seeing, you know, through the lens with which I'm looking.

• 1:53:13Speaker 02

  I've seen a lot of people come into the administration that have already had a lot of money.

• 1:53:19Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:53:19Speaker 02

  You know, so in that case, it feels like they're coming in for the right reason.

• 1:53:24Joe Rogan?

  Right, but when they got in, how much more money did they make once they got in? That's when things get weird.

• 1:53:28Speaker 02

  These are the questions.

• 1:53:29Joe Rogan?

  Did you start your own crypto coin and do a pump and dump? Because, you know, that's odd.

• 1:53:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:35Joe Rogan?

  It's odd that that's legal.

• 1:53:36Speaker 02

  Isn't it, and I don't have the answer to this either, you probably would more than anybody, but is there a group out there, watchdog group, that's looking at all of this? That's like, here's another thing I just discovered about this stock that's such and such voted for.

• 1:53:52Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of people online that do that. There's a lot of independent journalists that do that. But the thing is, it never gets covered in mainstream news.

• 1:53:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:54:00Joe Rogan?

  When was the last time you saw mainstream news doing a deep dive on congresspeople's income?

• 1:54:06Speaker 02

  Never.

• 1:54:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, doesn't seem like, because they want to get access to those congresspeople.

• 1:54:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:10Joe Rogan?

  They want them to come on their shows, you know? It's a weird business. It's a weird business because most certainly, when people get into office, they profit immensely. You don't just, so if you're, like, let's just pretend you're the president. If you become the president, I think the president gets paid, what do they get paid? Like $450,000 a year or something like that? How much does the president, by the way, Trump doesn't take that money. He doesn't take a dime of it. $400,000? $400,000. But he does that with crypto coin, yeah.

• 1:54:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:43Joe Rogan?

  But the point is, it's like, so you make that money and then you're in office for four years and you go, okay, well, are you going to live like Jimmy Carter? Because Jimmy Carter lived a simple life until he died. He never profited off of the fact that he was a president. Or are you going to be one of those people that gives speeches to banks and you inexplicably make like 300 grand to just talk for an hour, which is bizarre? That seems like a way they can pay you legally.

• 1:55:11Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:55:12Joe Rogan?

  If I was being cynical, that seems like you did something when you're in office and they made a kind of deal.

• 1:55:20Speaker 02

  They were happy about.

• 1:55:22Joe Rogan?

  You're going to go on your boring-ass speaking tour.

• 1:55:24Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:55:25Joe Rogan?

  And rake it in.

• 1:55:26Speaker 02

  And, you know, getting, sitting on boards, right? Makes me think of, um, the opioid situation with. What's their names?

• 1:55:35Joe Rogan?

  The Sackler family.

• 1:55:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:36Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Yeah, there's a lot of that.

• 1:55:38Speaker 02

  And the guy from the FDA that

• 1:55:40Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:55:41Speaker 02

  Approved it.

• 1:55:42Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:55:42Speaker 02

  And then left and then

• 1:55:44Joe Rogan?

  They found him.

• 1:55:45Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:55:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, when that documentary Painkiller came out on Netflix.

• 1:55:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:49Joe Rogan?

  Which is just so good. Peter Berg did that. It's so good.

• 1:55:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:52Joe Rogan?

  Not documentary, documentary drama. Matthew Broderick plays the Sackler.

• 1:55:57Speaker 02

  It was really good.

• 1:55:58Joe Rogan?

  Really good. The guy who approved it, apparently he was saying no forever and then they took him to a hotel for like three days and then he

• 1:56:07Speaker 02

  The Sackler family.

• 1:56:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, took the FDA guy.

• 1:56:10Joe Rogan?

  I mean, what did they do in that hotel? I'd like to be a fly on the wall.

• 1:56:14Speaker 02

  Close the doors.

• 1:56:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I don't know what happened.

• 1:56:16Speaker 02

  Suddenly.

• 1:56:18Joe Rogan?

  And then he got a nice job afterwards where he got paid really well.

• 1:56:20Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:56:21Joe Rogan?

  That's a gross thing that they do.

• 1:56:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:23Joe Rogan?

  Where there's this revolving door between the FDA and all these other departments and then these other corporations. So you leave and then you get this amazing job working for the very corporation that you were regulating.

• 1:56:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:35Joe Rogan?

  Like if you were doing a good job, wouldn't they want to have nothing to do with you?

• 1:56:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:38Joe Rogan?

  Like this asshole kept us from making billions of dollars.

• 1:56:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:41Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna hire him and give him two million dollars in a consulting job, consulting?

• 1:56:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:49Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of a way to pay people off. Seems like it.

• 1:56:53Joe Rogan?

  Someone like me on the outside, I'm just looking at it logically.

• 1:56:56Speaker 02

  Just looking at it from my point of view. Yeah, of course.

• 1:56:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it seems like it.

• 1:57:00Speaker 02

  That's, that's why.

• 1:57:01Joe Rogan?

  And it's legal somehow or another. That's a weird loophole that should be closed up. You should not be able to regulate an industry and then leave immediately and go work for said industry.

• 1:57:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:57:14Joe Rogan?

  And make a shit ton of money.

• 1:57:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:57:16Joe Rogan?

  Cause it seems like maybe you guys talked.

• 1:57:18Speaker 02

  Somebody's doing something.

• 1:57:19Joe Rogan?

  Maybe somebody talked.

• 1:57:21Speaker 02

  That's why a lot of people don't like Bobby. Bobby's like

• 1:57:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, he calls people out on that stuff.

• 1:57:26Speaker 02

  Fucking around with this.

• 1:57:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the Sackler family one is nuts because it doesn't seem like they're in trouble. It doesn't seem like there was a deal, a sweetheart deal, where they were gonna give a certain amount of money, a small percentage of the amount that they profited. And then that would also make them immune to prosecution. But then a judge pulled that deal right after the documentary came out, or the docu-series came out. But then you never heard another thing about it. So just put this on ice for a little bit, and just everybody shut the fuck up.

• 1:57:52Speaker 02

  It's another thing I'm gonna have to look up tonight.

• 1:57:54Joe Rogan?

  Everybody shut the fuck up, and then it never made it in the news anymore. And it just kinda drifted away.

• 1:57:58Speaker 02

  Nobody talks about it.

• 1:57:59Joe Rogan?

  But that family is responsible for the death of who knows how many people.

• 1:58:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:04Joe Rogan?

  Ruined who knows how many lives.

• 1:58:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:07Joe Rogan?

  Destroyed families, destroyed children. I mean, think about if your dad's hooked on opiates, and you become homeless, and you're a child. What kind of fuckin' crazy path does your life take? We're never taking that path if your doctor didn't sell your dad something that completely addicts him to it.

• 1:58:24Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:58:24Joe Rogan?

  And prisons him.

• 1:58:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:58:27Joe Rogan?

  Imprisons him in a life of just fucking horrible addiction.

• 1:58:30Speaker 02

  Well, that's why, you know, when people talk about conspiracy theories, right? It's a conspiracy theory until it's proven true. So if that can happen, if people can tell doctors this is not addictive, and doctors believe it, and doctors push it, and then you find out later, oh, yeah, they knew.

• 1:58:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:56Speaker 02

  There we have documents that prove that they knew that it was addictive. They knew how destructive it was, but they did it anyway.

• 1:59:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:03Speaker 02

  It's like, people can believe that, but then they have a hard time believing it about other things. They can't imagine.

• 1:59:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, they don't wanna seem foolish. And this is the thing about conspiracy theories. They've done a really good job of making it seem like you're a fool if you believe in conspiracy theories. And this is, they did a really good job of that during the Kennedy assassination. That's when the term conspiracy theorist really became popular.

• 1:59:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:30Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it never, it wasn't really a thing that people talked about all the time before the Kennedy assassination. And then after that, that became this... Term that they would use for kooks.

• 1:59:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:40Joe Rogan?

  You're a conspiracy theorist.

• 1:59:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:43Joe Rogan?

  Like, they use that for me all the time.

• 1:59:44Speaker 02

  I was about to say.

• 1:59:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all the time.

• 1:59:45Speaker 02

  You're like the king of conspiracy.

• 1:59:46Joe Rogan?

  I am a conspiracy theorist, yes.

• 1:59:48Speaker 02

  Because, by the way, what is a conspiracy? It's two or more people working together to do something nefarious?

• 1:59:55Joe Rogan?

  It's always happened. It's been going on forever. There's a ton of them that I could just rattle off the top of my head. And I've had a few conversations with people on the podcast where they're like, "I think most conspiracies can be attributed to ineptitude and this and that." And I'm like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not most. A few, some, but when there's profit involved, when there's profit involved, when there's power involved, when there's control of resources involved, most conspiracies, in fact, turn out to be true, you know?

• 2:00:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:00:24Joe Rogan?

  And the more you dig deep, the more you realize, like, oh, there's a concerted effort to make these conspiracies seem ridiculous, because you don't want to be taken as a fool.

• 2:00:32Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:00:32Joe Rogan?

  I am a fool. So, if you take me as a fool... Congratulations. You're accurate. I'm a foolish person. I'm a professional clown.

• 2:00:44Speaker 02

  But why do you say that? Because...

• 2:00:46Joe Rogan?

  Look at it, I'm the easiest person to mock of all time. I am a conspiracy theorist who is a cage-fighting commentator. Like, half of the time, half of the time when I'm working, people are getting kicked in the face. Like, that's, you know, it's like, that's like...

• 2:01:04Speaker 02

  It's like, normal.

• 2:01:05Joe Rogan?

  Normal, I mean, but like, people look at that as, like, that's normal for you? Like, that's like brutish, barbaric, like, stupid meathead behavior? Like, right, okay.

• 2:01:15Speaker 02

  That's okay.

• 2:01:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:16Speaker 02

  I don't care.

• 2:01:17Joe Rogan?

  Also, I think they faked the Gulf of Tonkin incident to get us into Vietnam. Also, production of heroin ramped up to 94% of the world once we occupied Afghanistan. Like, what? Like, how much of that's real? All of it? Plus, the United States, the CIA, rather, sold heroin or sold cocaine in L.A. ghettos to pay for the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. That's all true, too. That's real. Like, there's conspiracy theories you can get into that are fucking real.

• 2:01:49Speaker 02

  And you don't mind people... You don't care what people say about you.

• 2:01:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean...

• 2:01:54Speaker 02

  If they say, "No, he's foolish, he's..."

• 2:01:56Joe Rogan?

  I am foolish. I'm a foolish person.

• 2:01:59Speaker 02

  Well, I think that gives you superpower. To just say, I don't, I don't care what you think about me. Yes. I, it's, it's like doing improv, right?

• 2:02:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, nobody wants people to think badly of them.

• 2:02:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:02:11Joe Rogan?

  I don't want people to feel, think badly of me.

• 2:02:14Speaker 02

  But does it affect your day to day?

• 2:02:17Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't pay attention.

• 2:02:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know.

• 2:02:19Joe Rogan?

  I don't pay attention to it. It's not good for you to pay attention to it.

• 2:02:22Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:02:22Joe Rogan?

  I just keep on rolling.

• 2:02:24Speaker 02

  If you see yourself trending on X.

• 2:02:25Joe Rogan?

  I don't see myself trending.

• 2:02:26Speaker 02

  You don't ever check it.

• 2:02:27Joe Rogan?

  Nope, never, never.

• 2:02:29Speaker 02

  That is so smart.

• 2:02:30Joe Rogan?

  It's not good for you.

• 2:02:31Speaker 02

  No, it's terrible.

• 2:02:32Joe Rogan?

  You're not gonna change it. You're not gonna change it. Yeah. You just gotta keep moving.

• 2:02:35Speaker 02

  And with kids, it's hard to say. It's hard to tell kids, don't pay attention to you.

• 2:02:40Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna pay attention, you know, but they become more resilient from paying attention. And I hope your kids know who you are. I would hope that they get you.

• 2:02:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:48Joe Rogan?

  You know, and I think my kids get me. And I think my family gets me. I, I, look, I am who I, I'm a fool, but I'm an honest fool. You know, I'll tell you what I believe. And it might not make any sense to you and you can mock me all day long.

• 2:03:03Speaker 02

  I don't think you're a fool. That's what's so funny.

• 2:03:05Joe Rogan?

  I think there's some things that I'm foolish with, but it's okay.

• 2:03:08Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, listen.

• 2:03:09Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't bother me to, I'm, I'm nice. I'm a kind person. I try to be. I, I work hard at it.

• 2:03:13Speaker 02

  Well, you're smart and you're curious and you're kind to people.

• 2:03:18Joe Rogan?

  I think it's important to do. I think it's to live a, a good life. You should have a good community of people that you love and you care for. And you should be as nice to them as you can and have some fun in this life. That's, that's what I, but also you can't be scared of people who don't know you thinking that you're an idiot if you're saying something you truly, truly believe in.

• 2:03:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:03:39Joe Rogan?

  So I don't mind talking about like the moon landing hoax or fucking UFOs or, I don't care. All the things that people are like, oh, that makes you look like a kook, like, good. Who cares?

• 2:03:51Speaker 02

  Then don't listen.

• 2:03:51Joe Rogan?

  Who cares?

• 2:03:52Speaker 02

  Right. You don't have to listen.

• 2:03:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, but also like, I don't have to audition for something, right?

• 2:03:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:57Joe Rogan?

  Like if I did, then maybe I would change. Like I know a lot of comedians that kind of changed their act.

• 2:04:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:02Joe Rogan?

  Once they started getting on TV.

• 2:04:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:04Joe Rogan?

  Cause they kind of take the edge off their act. They don't want to be as controversial.

• 2:04:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:07Joe Rogan?

  They're worried about a bit maybe getting clipped and going viral. Or especially like only part of the bit where like it's out of context, doesn't show the whole bit where, you know?

• 2:04:18Speaker 02

  Yes, even words. I mean, that, that's, goes back to, you know, uh, the, um, campaign. It's like,

• 2:04:28Speaker 02

  If any words that come out of your mouth, they can, like you said, clip. Then it's just gone and then it's now you're, do you talk about, oh, I, you didn't play the whole thing. You didn't say this is exhausting. It doesn't matter. The words came out of your mouth. It doesn't matter.

• 2:04:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, look at Trump's lawsuit with the BBC. They completely clipped his speech and took 50 minutes of it out and put another thing at the end of it to make it look like he was trying to get people to go and attack the Capitol.

• 2:04:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 2:04:59Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. And, you know, he's suing them now and then the head of the BBC had to resign. And but it's like, that is normal. That kind of behavior is normal.

• 2:05:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:09Speaker 02

  But what is this election gonna look like?

• 2:05:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 2:05:12Speaker 02

  With AI and it's just gonna be.

• 2:05:14Joe Rogan?

  craziness.

• 2:05:15Speaker 02

  So crazy. I mean, the last one was crazy. This one's gonna be so. I, I, I can't even imagine what it's gonna look like.

• 2:05:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also Trump has kind of changed the way people interact in debates and in, in politics. You know, and there's people that are trying to emulate his success.

• 2:05:33Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:05:34Joe Rogan?

  Right? Which happens in like all art forms.

• 2:05:37Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:05:37Joe Rogan?

  And I think running for president and being an entertainer are kind of connected in the fact that you could almost say that like campaigning is kind of a performance art.

• 2:05:46Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 2:05:47Joe Rogan?

  I mean, think of like, like Kamala Harris. She had that one great speech that she did when they announced that she was gonna run for president, when she said, if you're gonna say something, say it to my face. And everybody went, oh, shit, it's on. And then she ramped up in the charts and what, what was that? Well, that was a great performance. That was a piece of art, right? If you're gonna be in, that, that's what that is. So it's like, this is what these people are doing and he's changed the art form in a lot of ways. Like, he is like.

• 2:06:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:19Joe Rogan?

  You know, like when Elvis Presley came out and started shaking his hips and everybody's like, what the fuck is going on?

• 2:06:24Speaker 02

  Are we allowed to do that? I'm gonna do that.

• 2:06:26Joe Rogan?

  Right. When Jimi Hendrix lit his guitar on fire, everybody's like, what the fuck? We can do that?

• 2:06:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:30Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's like someone sometimes comes along that changes the way people do the thing.

• 2:06:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:34Joe Rogan?

  And he has unfortunately turned everyone into an insult artist.

• 2:06:39Joe Rogan?

  Whereas you go to the Obama Mitt Romney thing.

• 2:06:42Speaker 02

  Hey.

• 2:06:42Joe Rogan?

  And if you can find the actual one, not one where people are commenting on it, it's actually interesting.

• 2:06:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:47Joe Rogan?

  There's another one that's the really good one, I think the best one is Clinton when he was running for president. When Clinton was running for president, he was so good. He was so measured.

• 2:06:57Speaker 02

  He's a great speaker.

• 2:06:58Joe Rogan?

  And so, oh, not only that, if you listen to what he's saying back then, what's really crazy is a lot of it are right wing talking points of today.

• 2:07:06Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:07:06Joe Rogan?

  You know, when they talk about immigration, when they talk, it's right wing talking points of today.

• 2:07:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:12Joe Rogan?

  And it's looking out for the American middle class.

• 2:07:14Speaker 02

  No, even Hillary, the things that are going around, the things that she said that now people are furious about.

• 2:07:21Joe Rogan?

  I know. When she was running for president in 2008, we've played this clip a bunch of times where she's saying, "If you're in this country illegally."

• 2:07:30Speaker 02

  Illegally.

• 2:07:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. "First of all, you should have to pay a stiff fine. And if you've been arrested for any crime, you get kicked out of the country, no questions asked." Everybody's cheering. "And you should learn to speak English." And everybody went nuts.

• 2:07:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:42Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's so MAGA. It's so MAGA. It's more MAGA than like JD Vance.

• 2:07:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:49Joe Rogan?

  It really is. It's crazy.

• 2:07:51Speaker 02

  It is pretty, it is crazy. It's crazy, but also, um, like no self-awareness, uh, some of the Democrats that are watching what's happening and also.

• 2:08:06Joe Rogan?

  I just don't think there's anybody capable. There's no, other than Gavin Newsom, right? Who is like the ultimate, like slick politician guy. And regardless of how the state goes in California, regardless of how the city of San Francisco goes, he keeps winning because he's really good at like being slick and like saying things.

• 2:08:25Speaker 02

  Presenting and being personable and.

• 2:08:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's a fucking politician and he's a good-looking guy and he's tall and he's got nice hair. And people are dumb.

• 2:08:34Speaker 02

  Tall with nice hair.

• 2:08:35Joe Rogan?

  And they're like, "He could be the president. He's my president."

• 2:08:38Speaker 02

  He could definitely play the president on TV.

• 2:08:40Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. Right? So like, that's all you have to do. Look, you have to just be-

• 2:08:44Speaker 02

  Look the part.

• 2:08:45Joe Rogan?

  Say the, say it the way we like a president to say it.

• 2:08:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:50Joe Rogan?

  And it's crazy because like they're the only people today that are allowed to talk like that and say things that we know aren't true in a way that is a way that a person talks when they're running for president that they never talk like in real life.

• 2:09:04Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 2:09:05Joe Rogan?

  Like if that, if someone's over your house, they start talking like that, you're like, Steve is fucking crazy, we gotta get him out of the house.

• 2:09:10Speaker 02

  He's very presentational.

• 2:09:13Joe Rogan?

  It's so fake.

• 2:09:13Speaker 02

  You're right. There's a lot of the shouting and yelling and-

• 2:09:17Joe Rogan?

  It's weird.

• 2:09:18Speaker 02

  It is weird.

• 2:09:18Joe Rogan?

  And now it's become insulting. Now it's a lot of insulting. And Newsom has tried to ape Trump's behavior patterns.

• 2:09:25Speaker 02

  I know. I hope it's, I hope the pendulum swings back to a more dignified-

• 2:09:29Joe Rogan?

  You need a really good candidate from the left.

• 2:09:30Speaker 02

  I don't know who that's gonna be.

• 2:09:31Joe Rogan?

  I don't think, I don't see anybody. This, that James Talarico guy is kinda interesting. He's pretty interesting. I've had him on the podcast before. He's a very religious guy and very opposed to them putting the 10 commandments in schools, public schools in Texas. And, you know, his take on it is very measured as a religious person, very religious person. Like, he's in seminary right now. And he essentially said that you're pushing people away from Christianity by doing this. And then it's not fair that if you, if you are not a Christian and you go to this school, you have to read the Christian rules. And what about, you know, the Buddhist rules? What about the Muslim rules? What about-

• 2:10:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:06Joe Rogan?

  You know, this, it's just not right.

• 2:10:08Speaker 02

  And he can talk about it in a real way.

• 2:10:10Joe Rogan?

  And he's also a very religious person.

• 2:10:12Speaker 02

  I'm not very familiar with him at all.

• 2:10:13Joe Rogan?

  He was a school teacher. And, uh, um, he was realizing that cuts to the budgets were directly affecting, um, vulnerable students in his class. And he pointed to this one kid that he had that was doing really well because he was getting counseling and, you know, came from a troubled background, but he was really like showing progress. And then they cut off the funding, he lost his counseling, started falling apart, dropped out of school. And he was like, that is a direct result of this lack of funding for important things that he thinks directly affect people that are vulnerable. And he was coming at it from a very honest and a very moral and ethical place. And when you could talk to him, you could realize-

• 2:10:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:54Joe Rogan?

  That he, I think he's a good man. And, uh, he has a real good chance of being like a-

• 2:10:59Speaker 02

  Is he from Texas?

• 2:10:59Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:11:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:00Joe Rogan?

  He also pointed to the fact-

• 2:11:01Speaker 02

  He's kinda young, right?

• 2:11:03Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:11:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:04Joe Rogan?

  Very young. I think he's like 35 or 36 or something like that. But, um- It's also, he pointed out that there's a group of very wealthy oil people in this country, or in this state, rather, that want to turn Texas into a, they want to fund all the religious schools and cut the funding for the public schools. They want to turn it into a theocracy. You know, they essentially want to turn it into like this, they're Christian, what you would call a Christian nationalist, and they really want to push that agenda. And they're doing it with an enormous amount of money. They have an incredible amount of money, and they're these evangelical Christians, and they have these very rigid ideas about what people should be able to do in this country.

• 2:11:42Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:11:43Joe Rogan?

  Sketchy.

• 2:11:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's sketchy.

• 2:11:45Joe Rogan?

  Very sketchy.

• 2:11:46Speaker 02

  And it also goes back to money.

• 2:11:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:49Speaker 02

  So even hearing that, like, to run for president.

• 2:11:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:52Speaker 02

  Takes so much money.

• 2:11:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a lot of money. But if people think you could win, they might get on board.

• 2:11:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:58Joe Rogan?

  That's where things get interesting.

• 2:11:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:00Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you think someone can win, like, how much are you willing to, like, ignore just because this guy will get in? And then, once he gets in, that's the dirty part. Once they get in, very rarely do they do what they said they were gonna do.

• 2:12:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:11Joe Rogan?

  Very rarely.

• 2:12:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:13Joe Rogan?

  Very rarely.

• 2:12:14Speaker 02

  Well, and do you think it's because it's so hard to make change, or you think, once they get in, they're like, "I don't care. I'm just gonna do whatever I do."

• 2:12:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think, if you want to be really cynical, I think they say a lot of things that they don't mean in order to get elected.

• 2:12:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:27Joe Rogan?

  They say the things that the people want to hear in order to get elected. And then I think, once they get elected, then it's like the Bill Hicks bit. There's a Bill Hicks bit where he's like, "I think they take you into a dark, smoky room, and they show you an angle of the Kennedy assassination that you've never seen before." And then they say, "Any questions?" And you're like, "Uh, yeah, I just want to know what my agenda is."

• 2:12:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:46Joe Rogan?

  You know, I think there's a little bit of that, too.

• 2:12:48Speaker 02

  Oh, well, you're right. I mean, not about that specifically, but definitely, when you get in, you see things.

• 2:12:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:57Speaker 02

  That are just, like, "Well, this is..."

• 2:13:01Speaker 02

  Bigger.

• 2:13:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:02Speaker 02

  The bigger has been happening for a long time and you're just a little tiny

• 2:13:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:09Speaker 02

  piece that's not gonna change that.

• 2:13:11Joe Rogan?

  The deep state is real. And if you want a conspiracy theory that a lot of people like to dismiss, just think about it logically. If there are a bunch of people that are in charge of enormous organizations and these enormous organizations exist regardless of who the president is and they're in office for 10, 20, 30, 40 years, whatever it is, acquiring power, using their influence, enormous amount of support from enormous corporations, that's real. That's always been real. And you have to contend with that if you want to enact meaningful change

• 2:13:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:46Joe Rogan?

  as a politician in this country. And good luck.

• 2:13:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:49Joe Rogan?

  Good luck fighting that battle.

• 2:13:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. And when you do get in as president, you, there are so many jobs that you have to fill.

• 2:14:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:01Speaker 02

  Like thousands

• 2:14:03Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:14:03Speaker 02

  in days, weeks, months, thousands and thousands. So you have all of these thousands of new employees that are ready to work. They have to be organized and now they're organizing with the people, like you said, that are politicals that have been there. Or they, their career people that have been there through it all, through different.

• 2:14:30Joe Rogan?

  Are they gonna be there when you're gone?

• 2:14:31Speaker 02

  And they're gonna be there when you're gone.

• 2:14:33Joe Rogan?

  And so they'll like hit the brakes every time they can.

• 2:14:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:36Joe Rogan?

  They'll fucking

• 2:14:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're like, that's not how we do it.

• 2:14:38Joe Rogan?

  Throw a little monkey wrench into the gears.

• 2:14:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:40Joe Rogan?

  Slow things down, make backdoor deals.

• 2:14:42Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:14:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:43Speaker 02

  It's just like crazy.

• 2:14:44Joe Rogan?

  I've talked to Tulsi about it and she's like, it's so nuts. There's people that are in charge of these certain offices and they just stop you from doing what you want to do.

• 2:14:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:54Joe Rogan?

  And you're like, and then you have to try to figure out how to get around it.

• 2:14:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:56Joe Rogan?

  Try to figure out how to get, and then you're, you have to wash their backs so they wash yours.

• 2:15:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's a lot, it's just a lot of every day trying to friggin', and I'm sure it gets frustrating and I'm sure there are days when you're like, well, I know I told the people I was gonna do that one thing, but I can't do that one thing. I can't even get people to change their mind about what they're gonna eat for lunch.

• 2:15:19Joe Rogan?

  That's the real scary thing about AI. Said AI is gonna come along and be logical and say, let us handle this.

• 2:15:27Joe Rogan?

  You guys aren't good at this.

• 2:15:29Speaker 02

  I think they're doing that now.

• 2:15:30Joe Rogan?

  All this corruption, all this corruption, we could put a stop to it immediately. Yeah, we could make things very efficient.

• 2:15:38Speaker 02

  By the way, you don't think AI could weed out the people in Congress and wherever that have been?

• 2:15:45Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 2:15:47Speaker 02

  That have been making money on interesting, yeah. It could happen in a second, right?

• 2:15:52Joe Rogan?

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• 2:17:55Joe Rogan?

  money-back guarantee. That's drinkag1.com/joe. I think it's very questionable whether or not it's an ethical thing to do. I don't think it is, but I think as far as the legality of it, it's not, it's not like...

• 2:18:10Speaker 02

  Illegal to invest in a company?

• 2:18:13Joe Rogan?

  No, it's not. And you ever seen Nancy Pelosi when she got asked about that? It's hilarious. It's so funny. Like, they caught her off-guard, and do you think, he's like, "I think they should be allowed to participate." And then she like pushes the microphone away and like gets out of there. You've never seen it? It's really funny.

• 2:18:29Speaker 02

  I don't think so. Maybe I have, I don't know.

• 2:18:31Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, pull that up. It's a fun clip. Because like, look, she's been running it like a G. Respect.

• 2:18:36Speaker 02

  Seriously, she's been in for a long time. She's got it down pat, man. She's got it...

• 2:18:40Joe Rogan?

  There's a photo of her when she was a young girl, standing next to Kennedy.

• 2:18:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've seen that.

• 2:18:45Joe Rogan?

  So she's been in this game forever.

• 2:18:47Speaker 02

  She knows what she's doing.

• 2:18:48Joe Rogan?

  Forever.

• 2:18:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:50Joe Rogan?

  And you want to know who she is? Her and Chuck Schumer, when they put on the African garb and they got down on one knee for Black Lives Matter. And it turns out that the colors that they were wearing were from a specific tribe that was responsible for a lot of the slavery. They were the people that were enslaving people and then selling them. Nobody told her that, and she just wanted to look cool.

• 2:19:14Speaker 02

  Nobody told her that? That's a tough one.

• 2:19:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Make sure that's true. I'm pretty sure it is. I'm pretty sure it is. What? What? You didn't listen? Why I'm looking for Nancy Pelosi? Oh, sorry. That Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, when they got down on one knee with their African garb on, the garb that they were wearing is from this one particular tribe that was responsible for a lot of the slave trade.

• 2:19:40Speaker 02

  And by the way, that also speaks to how some things are just...

• 2:19:46Speaker 02

  Random, done by an assistant somewhere that's like, I need to have something to put on. And then now they're, and now it looks like they've made a big statement and it's, you know, it's like, oh no, I didn't know.

• 2:19:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's just kooky to do. It's just kooky to do in the first place. I mean, it's like, what are you, why are you doing that? Well, how about just say, I feel very strongly about this particular social issue and we need, you know,

• 2:20:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:11Joe Rogan?

  Less racism and we need to be more equal in this country.

• 2:20:14Speaker 02

  No, but it's about the photo op.

• 2:20:16Joe Rogan?

  You're getting on one knee?

• 2:20:17Speaker 02

  Well, sometimes-

• 2:20:18Joe Rogan?

  Is that accurate?

• 2:20:19Speaker 02

  Sometimes we go to a-

• 2:20:20Speaker 04

  I'm trying to figure out what they're saying about it. There's a picture, but-

• 2:20:23Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:20:24Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:20:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:25Speaker 04

  People were just mad that they were wearing the stuff to begin with. I don't know.

• 2:20:28Joe Rogan?

  Right. It's called kentecloth?

• 2:20:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:20:30Joe Rogan?

  So was the kentecloth, uh, did it have anything to do with the people that were involved in the slave trade? Did they wear it?

• 2:20:42Joe Rogan?

  Cause that's what I had read online. But again, who knows how much of that's real? That's the problem. You read things and it could be horseshit.

• 2:20:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Fact check, yes. Hold, go back.

• 2:20:54Speaker 04

  It didn't say anything.

• 2:20:55Joe Rogan?

  It said, fact check.

• 2:20:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, it didn't say yes.

• 2:20:57Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Says yes, first word. Kentecloth were historically worn by empire involved in West African slave trade. Yeah. So that's true.

• 2:21:07Speaker 02

  Well, it's funny because when Bobby and I travel internationally and we might, we might be somewhere where they wear specific, um, clothing garments, right? And it looks cool and it's like, we're supposed to go to a event or a function. And I will think, oh, well, why don't we wear what, you know, they're wearing? Bobby's like, calm down.

• 2:21:35Speaker 02

  Just wear your own clothes. Don't, don't. Just don't.

• 2:21:40Joe Rogan?

  Just don't.

• 2:21:40Speaker 02

  And I'm like, are you sure? Because everybody's, Cheryl. Bring it down.

• 2:21:45Joe Rogan?

  And definitely don't take a picture. Put their stuff on.

• 2:21:47Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 2:21:48Joe Rogan?

  Theo Von did that. He went to Qatar and took a picture where they're like wearing their outfits.

• 2:21:52Speaker 02

  Uh oh.

• 2:21:53Joe Rogan?

  And everybody's like, "You're bought and paid for!"

• 2:21:57Joe Rogan?

  Settle down.

• 2:21:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:58Joe Rogan?

  Do you got the Nancy Pelosi video?

• 2:21:59Speaker 04

  No, no, I was... Man, I... There's multiple versions of it, and it's most of the things I'm finding are people commenting on it again.

• 2:22:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:22:08Speaker 04

  Because that's where it exists.

• 2:22:09Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure you'll find it. It's out there.

• 2:22:11Speaker 02

  I, yeah.

• 2:22:11Joe Rogan?

  But it's fun.

• 2:22:12Speaker 02

  I'm sure there are a few...

• 2:22:13Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 2:22:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, this was not it.

• 2:22:15Joe Rogan?

  It's not it?

• 2:22:16Speaker 04

  No, this is Yahoo Finance talking about it, and it shows 10 seconds of it, but it doesn't show her walking away like you wanted to. She was trying to find what you wanted to see.

• 2:22:23Joe Rogan?

  Let me hear.

• 2:22:26Joe Rogan?

  Back it up a little and...

• 2:22:28Speaker 02

  He's tough, man.

• 2:22:28Joe Rogan?

  Back it up a little, so you can hear the question. ...in government should be trading. Take a listen.

• 2:22:33Speaker 07

  Insider just completed a five-month investigation finding that 49 members of Congress and 182 senior congressional staffers have violated the stock act. Insider Draymond, I'm wondering if you have any reaction to that? And secondly, should members of Congress and their spouses be banned from trading individual stocks while serving in Congress?

• 2:22:51Speaker 00

  No, I don't know to the second one. Any... We have a responsibility to report in the stock, on the stock, but I don't, I'm not familiar with that five-month review. But if the people aren't reporting, they should be.

• 2:23:09Joe Rogan?

  I'm nervous, she looks.

• 2:23:10Speaker 00

  Because this is a free market and people... We are a free market economy. They should be able to participate in that.

• 2:23:18Speaker 02

  Hmm. Okay.

• 2:23:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:23:22Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:23:25Joe Rogan?

  So I guess there is some law.

• 2:23:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, there, yeah.

• 2:23:29Joe Rogan?

  There is some law that they were talking there about.

• 2:23:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, that they, you can't know about a decision that's going to be made and somehow have invested.

• 2:23:38Joe Rogan?

  Right. But there's a lot of evidence that they do. And again, right and left.

• 2:23:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:42Joe Rogan?

  It's a law.

• 2:23:43Speaker 02

  No, it's definitely not one group.

• 2:23:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not. Well, she's the scapegoat, because she's the best at it. She's the G. She's top dog.

• 2:23:52Joe Rogan?

  I don't even think she's made the most money. I think um, someone else had made more money, right? Wasn't it?

• 2:23:57Speaker 04

  She's like 10th on the list or something.

• 2:23:58Joe Rogan?

  Who's the, who's the, who's the top dog? They're the one throwing her under the bus. Put Nancy in front of the camera.

• 2:24:04Speaker 02

  Poor Nancy.

• 2:24:05Joe Rogan?

  She likes the camera. Get her out there. They're hiding.

• 2:24:07Speaker 02

  Nancy's like, ah, well.

• 2:24:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's some guy who's like fucking middle of North Dakota.

• 2:24:13Speaker 02

  Just taking it easy.

• 2:24:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:14Speaker 02

  Just on his ranch.

• 2:24:15Joe Rogan?

  That guy, Dave Rousher. Look at that, 149%.

• 2:24:19Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 2:24:20Joe Rogan?

  Okay, but that's, it says stock va- uh, value, portfolio value, but it doesn't say the numbers.

• 2:24:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, I mean, that's.

• 2:24:28Joe Rogan?

  Right? You know what I mean? It's like, if so, if their portfolio goes up 149%, but they only have 50 grand in it, as opposed to what Nancy has in it, hers only went up 70%. Can you imagine if you, if you went to a fucking guy and he said he can give you a 70% return on your money? You'd be like, what's your name?

• 2:24:45Speaker 02

  How do you know that?

• 2:24:46Joe Rogan?

  What is your name so I can Google you, Mr. Madoff?

• 2:24:48Speaker 02

  Right, exactly.

• 2:24:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, how are you doing that? How are you making that much mon- that's crazy.

• 2:24:55Speaker 02

  How about 100, 150%? That was like the top one.

• 2:25:00Joe Rogan?

  That guy's doing good.

• 2:25:01Speaker 02

  That guy's doing okay.

• 2:25:02Joe Rogan?

  Right, but maybe he's smart. He only invests a little bit, just a touch, just a little bit, just for funsies.

• 2:25:08Speaker 02

  In AI.

• 2:25:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, if you put in 20 bucks and you, you know, you come back with 150% of 20 bucks, no one's gonna get mad at you.

• 2:25:14Speaker 02

  Do you gamble?

• 2:25:15Joe Rogan?

  Me?

• 2:25:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:16Joe Rogan?

  No, but I will.

• 2:25:18Speaker 02

  You mean, you're ready to start?

• 2:25:22Joe Rogan?

  Um, I've gone to Vegas though. No, I don't gamble on like cards and stuff like that. I used to gamble on fights, I used to bet on fights. But then, um, I really decided at a certain point in time, I probably shouldn't be doing this. That was a long time ago though, before the, the UFC recently made it illegal, not illegal, but they passed a rule saying that, um, the people that work for the UFC can't gamble on the fights. Because there was a, um, scandal involved with, uh, fixed fights, where it looks like somebody took a dive for money and then it turns out many fighters have been approached and asked to take dives, and so there's a current investigation going on.

• 2:25:59Speaker 02

  Just like, uh, basketball.

• 2:26:01Joe Rogan?

  Like everything.

• 2:26:01Speaker 02

  The basketball thing just, yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's not, uh, new.

• 2:26:05Joe Rogan?

  Especially when money's involved, if you get gambling involved. But my thought was like, I don't have any power in affecting whether or not the fight goes one way or the other. I just have insight.

• 2:26:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:26:16Joe Rogan?

  In terms of like what I, I think I have a more. Educated idea of what a fighter is capable of than a person who doesn't watch fights constantly. So I had, and also in the beginning, the early days, I had a giant advantage in that I was a huge fan of these overseas organizations. Like Pride and Strike Force, or not Strike Force, but Ryzen. A lot of these companies were bringing fighters over. And these bookmakers didn't know about these fighters. And I knew a lot about them. I'm like, this guy's gonna fuck everybody up. Like whatever this line is, I would tell people, like when Anderson Silva came to the UFC, I told all my friends, I said, "Bet the house. Bet everything on this guy." I go, "This guy's gonna fuck everybody up. He's gonna be the champion inside of a year."

• 2:27:01Joe Rogan?

  I was like, "There's no one gonna stop him."

• 2:27:02Speaker 02

  And he did. And he was?

• 2:27:03Joe Rogan?

  I was like, "He's too good."

• 2:27:04Speaker 02

  But you, but you, but you don't wanna bet on, uh, like football or something that you're not, you're not sort of...

• 2:27:11Joe Rogan?

  I would. I bet a little bit.

• 2:27:14Speaker 02

  I really want you to gamble for some reason.

• 2:27:17Joe Rogan?

  I'm not scared of gambling, but I do know that it ruins some people's lives.

• 2:27:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:22Joe Rogan?

  But so do cheeseburgers.

• 2:27:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Some people, they ruin their life with Pop-Tarts and, and Mountain Dew. It's like...

• 2:27:28Speaker 02

  It's true. It's gonna be, if it's gonna be something.

• 2:27:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like...

• 2:27:32Speaker 02

  But it doesn't have to be, is what we're saying.

• 2:27:33Joe Rogan?

  Right. It's the same thing as junk food. Like, I don't think junk food should be illegal. But I think what Bobby's doing with junk food is really important. And what he's also doing with just educating people, like, hey, like the new food pyramid.

• 2:27:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:27:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:47Joe Rogan?

  Finally, it's aligned with all the real legitimate health experts.

• 2:27:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:51Joe Rogan?

  Instead of this nonsense that you're supposed to mostly be eating grain like you're a fucking cow. Like, this is nuts.

• 2:27:57Speaker 02

  By the way, it, it, you know Bobby's job, um, as Secretary of HHS, even something like the food pyramid, which is, I, I don't know how you can argue with it, but people will find a reason to be mad about it.

• 2:28:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:17Speaker 02

  And it's, uh, no matter what he says, or sometimes the president says, even if it's something great, like, uh, favored nations, um, drug prices.

• 2:28:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:28:28Speaker 02

  Where they're saying for the first time, "America's not gonna pay more than other countries for, for drugs, pharmaceutical drugs."

• 2:28:38Speaker 02

  Somehow, there are people out there that would be mad about it.

• 2:28:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:43Speaker 02

  They're not gonna take it.

• 2:28:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're furious.

• 2:28:45Speaker 02

  They're outraged.

• 2:28:46Joe Rogan?

  A lot of them are probably paid off. They're paid off to be. There's a lot of paid influencers. That's one thing to take into consideration. When it comes to anything, not like foreign policy issues, pharmaceutical drug issues. There's a lot of people that are paid to have certain opinions. That's a fact.

• 2:29:02Speaker 02

  And get it out there.

• 2:29:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, to get it out there and, you know, someone takes advantage of the fact that this person has a large platform. And then they say, hey, you know, this fucking drug price thing is wrong. We're doing something terrible. These pharmaceutical drug, too much money they have to spend. We have to make sure they're profitable.

• 2:29:20Speaker 02

  Hard on them.

• 2:29:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is a crime.

• 2:29:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:22Joe Rogan?

  It's a crime to make it cheaper for everybody else. Like, they need all the money.

• 2:29:26Speaker 02

  Do you think that, like, influencers that are just, you know, the people that are showing you how to do an exercise or how to do your, uh, your makeup, you think those guys, yeah, somehow they get involved, right?

• 2:29:40Joe Rogan?

  It depends on who they are and how influential they are, but I know that happened during COVID. They paid a lot of people to promote the vaccines.

• 2:29:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:48Joe Rogan?

  They paid people.

• 2:29:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:49Joe Rogan?

  To promote the vaccines, which is just...

• 2:29:51Speaker 02

  They paid people.

• 2:29:51Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. Like, if the medicine's good, you shouldn't have to pay people to promote it.

• 2:29:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:56Joe Rogan?

  When was the last time you saw a influencer getting paid to promote penicillin?

• 2:30:00Speaker 02

  Never.

• 2:30:01Joe Rogan?

  Fucking never. Why? Because it works. It's good and you don't have to do that.

• 2:30:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:06Joe Rogan?

  If you need it, you should go to the doctor and get penicillin. It's like tried and proven medication.

• 2:30:11Speaker 02

  It, that was a weird...

• 2:30:13Joe Rogan?

  It's a weird time.

• 2:30:14Speaker 02

  It was a weird time.

• 2:30:15Joe Rogan?

  Weird. Super weird time. But, uh, it opened up a lot of people's eyes and, you know, air quotes, red-pilled a lot of people.

• 2:30:24Speaker 02

  I hear that term a lot.

• 2:30:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I just...

• 2:30:26Speaker 02

  Is there, is there a term, black-pilled?

• 2:30:29Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:30:29Speaker 02

  Never saw it.

• 2:30:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you never saw The Matrix?

• 2:30:32Speaker 02

  No, but I've seen him...

• 2:30:33Joe Rogan?

  You're an actor!

• 2:30:34Speaker 02

  I've seen him, like, going backwards and, like, it's like, okay, I get it. I got the thing. Oh, wait, so red-pilled.

• 2:30:42Joe Rogan?

  So, Morpheus presents Neo with... Yes. Well, Morpheus is, um, uh...

• 2:30:49Joe Rogan?

  Lawrence Fishburne. Lawrence Fishburne presents Keanu Reeves with two pills.

• 2:30:53Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:30:54Joe Rogan?

  One of them is the blue pill. If he takes this blue pill, he stays in the matrix and he has no knowledge of what reality is all about. If he takes the red pill, the red pill's reality. And he gets to see. So he takes the red pill. The red pill is reality. And so there's a lot of people that took that blue pill and, you know, and they can't tell you what a woman is.

• 2:31:16Speaker 02

  That's an interesting conversation when you hear that.

• 2:31:20Joe Rogan?

  A great example of someone who took the blue pill. When you just say, like, in these congressional hearings, like Josh Hawley or these people say, what is a woman?

• 2:31:30Joe Rogan?

  And like, someone who identifies as a woman. Okay, what are they identifying as? And it's like this weird circular logic and they just keep going and they don't have anything. Can, can men menstruate? Can men get pregnant? Yes, some men can get pregnant. Yes, some men can have babies. Yes, some men menstruate. And you're like, are you, do you have a PhD? Are you really a teacher? Like, this is crazy.

• 2:31:53Speaker 02

  It is.

• 2:31:54Joe Rogan?

  But that's blue pill. They took the blue pill.

• 2:31:56Speaker 02

  Is there such thing as a black pill?

• 2:31:58Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:31:58Speaker 02

  What is the black pill mean?

• 2:31:59Joe Rogan?

  People think we're doomed and we're fucked and everything's, they, they think it's all pedophiles and Satanists are running the government. And then the white pill is people think everything's gonna be great.

• 2:32:10Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:32:13Speaker 02

  Can I get the white one?

• 2:32:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the white pill will be a good thing to take, but I don't think it's accurate. I think you want a gray pill. If they just have a gray pill that gets you like, hey, there probably are a bunch of Satanists and pedophiles in positions of high power. And then there's also probably a real good chance that we'll pull through this and we'll be better than we've ever been before. That's possible.

• 2:32:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:35Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of exciting possibility about the future of human beings. And I think. The good thing and the bad thing about the internet is the free distribution of information. There's a good thing about it that I try to focus on is that more people have an understanding of how things are really working than ever before.

• 2:32:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:53Joe Rogan?

  Like this Epstein file thing, right? That was a big eye-opener for a lot of people. When you see how many people after 2008, after he was arrested, after he went to jail, were actively taking money from him. MIT took money from him and tried to hide it and said to make sure that any donations from Jeffrey are listed as anonymous. You find out like people are like, they referred to him as Voldemort, like you couldn't say his name.

• 2:33:17Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:33:18Joe Rogan?

  There was a lot of people that met with him and did business with him and traveled with him after he was arrested, after he went to jail.

• 2:33:28Speaker 02

  Have, do you spend a lot of time reading, reading them?

• 2:33:32Joe Rogan?

  No, I try not to. I try to have experts come on. I try to read. You just, you can't change it.

• 2:33:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:39Joe Rogan?

  And it'll fuck with your head.

• 2:33:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's toxic.

• 2:33:41Joe Rogan?

  You will really get.

• 2:33:42Speaker 02

  It'll stick with your, and I know, I've tried not to.

• 2:33:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:47Speaker 02

  I haven't read any of them. I do see things on the news and I'm not saying, oh, if I don't hear it, that means it didn't happen.

• 2:33:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:56Speaker 02

  But it's just, it is such a toxic situation that I think it would be hard to.

• 2:34:02Joe Rogan?

  It seems very dark.

• 2:34:04Speaker 02

  Very dark.

• 2:34:05Joe Rogan?

  Because it seems like it was this bizarre blackmail influence thing that was going on for a long time.

• 2:34:14Speaker 02

  For so long.

• 2:34:15Joe Rogan?

  A long time.

• 2:34:16Speaker 02

  Through different administrations.

• 2:34:19Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:34:19Speaker 02

  That's what's so unbelievable about it.

• 2:34:24Joe Rogan?

  It's dark.

• 2:34:24Speaker 02

  How long, how long it was going on.

• 2:34:27Joe Rogan?

  I'm in the files for not going.

• 2:34:30Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 2:34:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm in the files for not going because Jeffrey Epstein was trying to meet with me.

• 2:34:34Speaker 02

  Oh, I did see that.

• 2:34:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and I was like, what?

• 2:34:37Speaker 02

  Like, no thanks.

• 2:34:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:39Speaker 02

  Aren't you glad?

• 2:34:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I would have never went anyway. It's like, it's not even a possibility that I would ever went.

• 2:34:44Speaker 02

  But did you?

• 2:34:44Joe Rogan?

  Especially after I Googled him. I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? This was like 2017. One of my guests was trying to get me to meet him. I was like, bitch, are you high? Like, what the fuck are you talking about?

• 2:34:55Speaker 02

  For what reason would you? What, what would be?

• 2:34:58Joe Rogan?

  If I was a guy who was like sucking up to the rich and powerful, if I was really interested in hanging out with rich and powerful people.

• 2:35:05Speaker 02

  You know, it's crazy. It's so, that's so crazy. But yeah, some people.

• 2:35:11Joe Rogan?

  Some people get intoxicated by being in a circle of rich and powerful people. Even if they're not, like, they don't even have any ambitions of being one of those people.

• 2:35:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:22Joe Rogan?

  They just want to be around them.

• 2:35:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:23Joe Rogan?

  They want to be around Nobel Prize winners and...

• 2:35:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:26Joe Rogan?

  Because this guy was, what he was doing was very clever in that he was getting all of these very powerful and very respected people together.

• 2:35:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:36Joe Rogan?

  And you would figure like, oh, it's safe.

• 2:35:38Speaker 02

  If that guy's there, if that lady's there.

• 2:35:40Joe Rogan?

  Clinton's here, this is fine.

• 2:35:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:41Joe Rogan?

  Clinton's here, how could this be bad?

• 2:35:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:43Joe Rogan?

  Look, it's Steven Pinker, how could this be bad?

• 2:35:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:45Joe Rogan?

  You know, he's a genius, like, and so you would go, I would imagine, you would go to these, because I, like, there's people that went to these, like, he had parties in New York, like, he brought in celebrities and comedians. Didn't Lewis Black get invited to one of those? I think he's talked about it. I know Chelsea Handler went to one of them. It's like he would bring all these people in.

• 2:36:06Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:36:06Joe Rogan?

  And he'd like to be around famous people and entertainers and a lot of intellectuals and professors and Noam Chomsky was famously deeply involved. So it's like, you would go, I guess, to these places and that was how he would convince everybody that everything is going to be fine. Like, have you ever been invited to a party and someone tell you, hey, you should go to this party, Brad Pitt's going to be there? Like, they'll tell you that to try to get you to go.

• 2:36:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:36:33Joe Rogan?

  They'll tell you about the famous people that are going to be there, like, oh.

• 2:36:35Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, I should go.

• 2:36:37Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know, I didn't know.

• 2:36:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:40Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:36:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. It is weird. Some people are really driven by that, really love the parties and the invitations.

• 2:36:52Joe Rogan?

  And blindly ambitious, right? They're willing to, like, put aside, you know, all the possibilities of what could be awful about these people.

• 2:37:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:02Joe Rogan?

  And get together with them without any, even a cursory Google search as to who you're hanging out with.

• 2:37:08Speaker 02

  Can't have your assistant Google something?

• 2:37:09Joe Rogan?

  How about you just do it? Just go, woo.

• 2:37:11Speaker 02

  It doesn't take long.

• 2:37:12Joe Rogan?

  Like, hey, look what I just found out.

• 2:37:15Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 2:37:15Joe Rogan?

  This is kind of crazy.

• 2:37:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:37:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's just, but it's, what's more bizarre is that there's probably, in this, I talked to Mike Benz about this, we were, he was like, explaining how this guy rose to prominence and how he got this kind of influence that he had. And he was like, there's probably a bunch of those going on right now that we don't know about.

• 2:37:37Speaker 02

  What people that are

• 2:37:38Joe Rogan?

  Like that, like the same sort of Jeffrey Epstein type situation. Just someone else and doing it somewhere else and they just haven't been caught yet.

• 2:37:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:47Joe Rogan?

  Like if he didn't get arrested, let's think about this.

• 2:37:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:50Joe Rogan?

  Cause his particular perversion, the darkness of it was that he was into underage girls. He was into young girls. Imagine if he wasn't. What was he, what if he was only into girls that are in their thirties? Like you would have never heard anything about it. What if he just hired these adult ladies to come to these parties that were already sex workers? Would you have heard anything about this?

• 2:38:12Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:38:12Joe Rogan?

  And that's the thing, like is that happening right now?

• 2:38:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:38:14Speaker 04

  Did you hear about how this started in two thousand and five? I think this is accurate.

• 2:38:18Speaker 02

  It's, I'm glad you're saying that, cause I'm

• 2:38:21Joe Rogan?

  This is crazy.

• 2:38:22Speaker 04

  Two girls fighting.

• 2:38:23Joe Rogan?

  So it started between a fight between two teenage girls at Royal Palm Beach High School in Florida. Here are the details of how the event triggered the investigation. Early two thousand and five, two girls at Royal Palm Beach High School got into a fight during which one girl repeatedly called the other girl a prostitute or hooker. Following the fight, school administrations and parents investigated, searching one of the girl's purses and finding three hundred dollars in cash. The confession, the student initially claimed the money was from working at a fast food restaurant, but later revealed she had been paid for massages by a wealthy man, later identified as Jeffrey Epstein. This revelation led to a police investigation in March of two thousand and five, when the stepmother of one of the girls reported the molestation to the Palm Beach Police.

• 2:39:07Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:39:09Speaker 02

  Wow, that's in two thousand and five.

• 2:39:11Speaker 04

  That was the first arrest.

• 2:39:12Joe Rogan?

  And now listen to this, it says, they identify the, what the Royal Palm Beach High was identified as a focal point for recruitment, where according to investigations, at least fifteen students were lured into Epstein's Palm Beach home. Holy shit.

• 2:39:27Speaker 02

  That's so crazy. That's in two thousand and five.

• 2:39:29Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if those girls didn't get in that fight. Imagine if that didn't happen.

• 2:39:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:34Joe Rogan?

  It's dark.

• 2:39:35Speaker 02

  It's dark.

• 2:39:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but if that guy was not into that, if he was not into high school girls.

• 2:39:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:39:41Joe Rogan?

  Like, if he was just into grown women who were sex workers, and he ran the same operation, exactly the same way, it could probably go on to this day.

• 2:39:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:50Joe Rogan?

  And if everybody kept their fucking mouth shut, and if all these guys, you know?

• 2:39:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, look at, look at some people that are in the...

• 2:39:58Speaker 04

  There was nothing going on, so...

• 2:39:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, FBI concluded Jeffrey Epstein wasn't running a sex trafficking ring for powerful men file show.

• 2:40:05Speaker 04

  So, there you go.

• 2:40:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there you go. Who says that? What's that source?

• 2:40:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's going around the, I just found the place that was showing the headline. It was going around the internet today.

• 2:40:13Speaker 02

  Oh, today?

• 2:40:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, the AP, it's the AP reporting it, yeah.

• 2:40:17Speaker 02

  Today? Oh, I thought that was, I thought that was from 2005.

• 2:40:21Speaker 04

  This is like the FBI stating it today.

• 2:40:24Speaker 02

  That's, uh...

• 2:40:26Joe Rogan?

  That's the gaslightiest gaslighting shit I've ever heard in my life.

• 2:40:29Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 2:40:30Joe Rogan?

  What do they think is going on? Just a bunch of fun, a bunch of guys hanging out?

• 2:40:34Speaker 02

  That is...

• 2:40:35Joe Rogan?

  Being fellas, having cocktails, talking about science?

• 2:40:39Speaker 04

  They say they're still looking into it, but they don't have any evidence of it.

• 2:40:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, look into it. Maybe you should get Eddie Bravo on the case.

• 2:40:45Speaker 02

  Looking into it. That is crazy.

• 2:40:48Joe Rogan?

  Look into it. Oh, it's so crazy. It's, it's, but there's probably a lot of that that's gone on forever. And it's also probably a way that they can secure business deals and make sure that people do things they want to do, they have a little something over them, they do a little of this, do a little of that.

• 2:41:06Speaker 02

  For sure. This is what, this is what's, yeah. I mean, that's what Epstein was all about, was manipulating people and, um, you know, holding it over their head, getting them to do something.

• 2:41:25Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly.

• 2:41:26Speaker 02

  Allegedly.

• 2:41:27Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly. It certainly seems like that. Certainly seems like that was a big part of it.

• 2:41:31Speaker 02

  I mean, is it possible that people didn't know what was going on?

• 2:41:35Joe Rogan?

  Maybe initially.

• 2:41:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:41:37Joe Rogan?

  You know, someone got lured in like they tried to lure me in and they didn't do a Google search. And also they're meeting with this eccentric billionaire supposedly who's just not, not politically correct. Oh, he's a wild guy.

• 2:41:47Speaker 02

  Which by the way, who cares?

• 2:41:49Joe Rogan?

  People care.

• 2:41:50Speaker 02

  People care.

• 2:41:51Joe Rogan?

  Weirdly, people care about billionaires.

• 2:41:53Speaker 02

  They don't want to meet.

• 2:41:54Joe Rogan?

  Weirdly, yeah. They want access. They think somehow or another it's gonna rub off on them and they're gonna be rich too.

• 2:41:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, listen, I see that, well, you see it with celebrities, of course.

• 2:42:05Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:42:06Speaker 02

  Everybody wants to be around.

• 2:42:08Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:42:09Speaker 02

  But I see it with Bobby, people wanna be around him, they wanna access. They wanna tell him something, they wanna talk to him, they wanna, and it's like, whoa, it's intense.

• 2:42:21Joe Rogan?

  Gets really weird, yeah.

• 2:42:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:23Joe Rogan?

  It's real weird. It's a, I think it's a natural human inclination. You know, it's, I think it goes back to the tribal days, you wanna be around the chief of the tribe.

• 2:42:34Speaker 02

  Mm.

• 2:42:34Joe Rogan?

  You know, I just think it's a

• 2:42:36Speaker 02

  Well.

• 2:42:37Joe Rogan?

  Normal primate behavior.

• 2:42:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it makes sense that you wanna be around people that sort of lift you up and give you ideas, show you something that

• 2:42:49Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:42:50Speaker 02

  Wouldn't otherwise see that

• 2:42:52Joe Rogan?

  In the best case scenario.

• 2:42:53Speaker 02

  In the best case scenario.

• 2:42:54Joe Rogan?

  In the best case scenario, you wanna be around good people because you wanna be around a good person. If you meet someone who's really cool, like, wow, that guy's really cool, I love being around that person. Everybody loves him. Why does everybody love him? Look at his behavior, he's such a nice guy.

• 2:43:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:06Joe Rogan?

  Like, and then, you know, that's good, rubs off on everybody. But also, for some people, it's just like, they, they see someone who's very important and they wanna be important and they think being next to that person

• 2:43:16Speaker 02

  Just being next to them.

• 2:43:17Joe Rogan?

  Makes them important.

• 2:43:17Speaker 02

  Just being next to them is gonna do something for them.

• 2:43:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why people name drop. Right? Name dropping might be the worst strategy that's ever been conceived that doesn't work. And yet, people do it all the time. Like, it never works.

• 2:43:30Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:43:31Joe Rogan?

  Nobody ever says, "Wow, I was over at Leonardo DiCaprio's house the other day." You know, Leo and I are close. Nobody goes, "Wow, you're so cool. You're friends with Leo." No, they go, "Listen to this motherfucker name dropping."

• 2:43:42Speaker 02

  Right. It's weird.

• 2:43:43Joe Rogan?

  It's weird, but people still do it.

• 2:43:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's like, I was just telling my niece. It's like, uh...

• 2:43:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you just name dropped your niece?

• 2:43:51Speaker 02

  I didn't say your name. But I was saying, like, a woman who has a bumper sticker that says classy lady. I don't think you are.

• 2:43:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:00Speaker 02

  It's like, if you have to... You have to tell me. You gotta tell people.

• 2:44:05Joe Rogan?

  That's a good example.

• 2:44:06Speaker 02

  It's like, I don't think so.

• 2:44:08Joe Rogan?

  Classy ladies don't have bumper stickers, first of all. What are you doing to your car? What are you doing to your car, your poor car? Classy ladies, hilarious.

• 2:44:17Speaker 02

  It's hard for you to go out. Can you go out?

• 2:44:19Joe Rogan?

  It's a struggle.

• 2:44:21Speaker 02

  You are so famous that it's... There's fame, you know, where people are... Some people come up and go, "Oh, hi. I like the thing that you did." Or the thing that you do. And then there's the super famous where it's... Everybody knows you and it's probably...

• 2:44:37Speaker 02

  It's gotta keep you from actually doing normal things, I would think.

• 2:44:41Joe Rogan?

  It's definitely a problem. Yeah, it gets in the way. But that's what you sign up for.

• 2:44:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44:46Joe Rogan?

  You know, I didn't necessarily sign up for it, but it became what it is. Like, when I first started doing this podcast, I never would have... Never would have... If someone told me it was gonna be what it was, what it became, I might go...

• 2:44:59Speaker 02

  Not ready for that.

• 2:44:59Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if I wanna do that.

• 2:45:00Speaker 02

  That's a lot.

• 2:45:01Joe Rogan?

  I like to just be like a B-list sort of weird guy on the outside. It's like, kinda keeps working, but that's it.

• 2:45:11Speaker 02

  You're the first person that I've ever talked to that's like, "Yeah, I just wanna be B-list."

• 2:45:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, B-list is sweet.

• 2:45:16Speaker 02

  It's good. It's a sweet spot.

• 2:45:17Joe Rogan?

  Nobody knows who you are. Nobody cares.

• 2:45:19Speaker 02

  You can go to the movies.

• 2:45:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, nobody cares. If they see you, they say, "Hi," that's it.

• 2:45:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's it.

• 2:45:23Joe Rogan?

  "Oh, hey, aren't you that guy that was on that show?" "Yeah, hi." That's it. Nice.

• 2:45:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:27Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:45:28Speaker 02

  That's nice. Perfect.

• 2:45:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:30Speaker 02

  You can go to Disney World.

• 2:45:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah!

• 2:45:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:32Joe Rogan?

  You get to a certain level, you can't go anywhere.

• 2:45:34Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:45:35Joe Rogan?

  And that's where, you know, you fucked up.

• 2:45:40Speaker 02

  Well, don't run for president, by the way.

• 2:45:41Joe Rogan?

  No chance. Not a chance in hell.

• 2:45:43Speaker 02

  No, never.

• 2:45:44Joe Rogan?

  Never. Not a chance in hell. Zero political aspirations. Don't listen to me if I run. Don't vote for me. Don't do it. I don't want that job. I wouldn't be good at it. I'm not designed for it. Nope.

• 2:45:55Speaker 02

  It's a tough job.

• 2:45:56Joe Rogan?

  It's a crazy job that made sense when there was 150 people and they all had muskets. It doesn't make any sense that one alpha should be involved in controlling 350 million people.

• 2:46:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:11Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts. That's a crazy job.

• 2:46:15Speaker 02

  It's all a crazy setup. And by the way, elections are...

• 2:46:20Joe Rogan?

  Hell.

• 2:46:20Speaker 02

  They're... The way they're set up is crazy.

• 2:46:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:24Speaker 02

  There's the... If you... When you're in it and you start seeing, "Oh, this is what you have to do." Especially running as an independent, "This is what you have to do for each state. It's different for each state."

• 2:46:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:36Speaker 02

  Just like, "Who made up these rules?"

• 2:46:38Joe Rogan?

  People that were trying to make sure that it was really hard to win.

• 2:46:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. To make sure an independent...

• 2:46:43Joe Rogan?

  There is a thing where people are not allowed to question. That if you question, you could call the fool. Or you could call the conspiracy theorist, like, "Hey, I think there's some election fraud." How much do you think there is? Like, when people say, "I don't think the election in 2020 was rigged." I go, "Well, I don't have any evidence. I don't know." But if I had to ask you, what percentage of election fraud is real? I don't think you would say zero.

• 2:47:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:13Joe Rogan?

  I don't think anybody would say zero.

• 2:47:15Speaker 02

  Well, I mean...

• 2:47:16Joe Rogan?

  Right? Do you think... Like, there's a woman in California that recently registered her dog and used a mail-in ballot and voted for her dog to expose the fact that you could do this? And you know, California famously doesn't allow you to show ID when you vote, which is crazy.

• 2:47:32Speaker 02

  That's pretty crazy.

• 2:47:33Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. Like, you're not allowed to? Not only are you not asking, you're not allowed to?

• 2:47:38Speaker 02

  You're not allowed to show it.

• 2:47:39Joe Rogan?

  That seems like, if I was being super charitable, I can't find a reason why that makes sense. And... Have you ever seen Kamala explain that? Like, people in poor places, they can't go to Kinko's and they can't get their ID.

• 2:47:51Speaker 02

  I haven't seen that. Something to see.

• 2:47:54Joe Rogan?

  Fucking nuts. It's like the most rambly, cockeyed answer for, like, it doesn't, there's no answer that makes any sense. Like, why shouldn't you have voter ID?

• 2:48:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:04Joe Rogan?

  Unless you're trying to cheat. So then the question is, okay, let's say they're not trying to cheat, they just want to make it easy for people that don't have ID to vote. How much of those people are voting that shouldn't be voting? It's not zero.

• 2:48:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:18Joe Rogan?

  Zero. So how much of an effect did it have on the election?

• 2:48:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:22Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. But here's the thing, Democrats, if that's a fact, and it happened in 2020, and maybe it happened in 2024. We don't know. Maybe it'll happen again in 2028. Maybe the Republicans will lock it down now.

• 2:48:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:48:36Joe Rogan?

  And they'll rig the elections. Do you think that's okay? I don't think that's okay.

• 2:48:39Speaker 02

  Right. Well, by the way, remember, um, Bush v. Gore?

• 2:48:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:48:44Speaker 02

  I mean, that's when things turned for me, where I was like, mm-mm, I'm out.

• 2:48:48Joe Rogan?

  That was shady.

• 2:48:49Speaker 02

  It was so shady and it was so dramatic.

• 2:48:52Joe Rogan?

  Took like a couple of weeks to figure out who the president was, remember that?

• 2:48:54Speaker 02

  I do.

• 2:48:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:56Speaker 02

  I do.

• 2:48:57Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember Hacking Democracy, the documentary on HBO?

• 2:48:59Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:49:00Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, it was really good. Because it was all about the Diebold systems. And they showed in this documentary that these systems have third-party input. So the idea was that these systems were owned by some large contributor to the Republican Party. And these machines that were in place supposedly on this show, on this, if I remember correctly, they showed that they can affect the election. They could show they could change the numbers with third-party input. And they did it on the show. So on this, and so at that time, that was supposed to be evidence that the Republicans were capable of rigging the election. And so everyone was supposed to be outraged, oh, my God, they've hijacked our election process and stolen it. But then in 2020, because it was Trump, and he's such a polarizing character,

• 2:49:45Joe Rogan?

  that when he said that the election was stolen, everybody was like, this is an affront to our democracy. Never has a president said that the elections weren't fair. That's not even true, because Hillary did it in 2016. She said that he wasn't the rightful president, that Russia helped him win.

• 2:50:00Speaker 02

  I mean, it's been going on, I think, every, almost every election, I think, there are people. And, just like...

• 2:50:08Speaker 02

  Gore v. Bush, it was like, people were so outraged. And it was, you know, we're not gonna take this. This cannot be how our elections are held. And, you know, for a moment in time, it felt like, oh, my gosh, they're really gonna, woo, they're gonna redo it all. And then it's every year, nothing.

• 2:50:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:50:28Speaker 02

  Every year, it's, people are outraged.

• 2:50:31Joe Rogan?

  It seems like it escalates.

• 2:50:32Speaker 02

  People love to be outraged.

• 2:50:33Joe Rogan?

  They do.

• 2:50:34Speaker 02

  It makes them feel like they're doing something.

• 2:50:35Joe Rogan?

  They enjoy it. They seem to enjoy it.

• 2:50:38Speaker 02

  They do.

• 2:50:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:50:39Speaker 02

  A lot of that.

• 2:50:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, it gives you a purpose.

• 2:50:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50:42Joe Rogan?

  You know, that's part of the thing of being, you know, if you think you're an activist, air quotes, you know, you think you're out there affecting things. And you're out there chanting and screaming and carrying the signs that the NGOs had print up.

• 2:50:54Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:50:55Joe Rogan?

  And you're out there, you know, you've got a purpose. Because otherwise, you'd just be sitting at home watching TikTok.

• 2:51:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51:00Joe Rogan?

  Instead, you're out here saving the world.

• 2:51:01Speaker 02

  And people can see it.

• 2:51:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:03Speaker 02

  But yeah, maybe, maybe organize a group to help people get their citizenship, to help people, to help people.

• 2:51:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:13Speaker 02

  Organize together to get, move things forward.

• 2:51:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, to help people would be nice. But the citizenship thing is kind of crazy because the borders were wide open for four years. And they just, they invited people into the country essentially, helped them get in, gave them aid. And then, once they're in, now the new administration is trying to arrest them and capture them. So both things are crazy. It's crazy that you did this and that you just let these people and told them, you know, you're gonna have a better life, come to America. And then, it's also crazy that now you've got armed masked people running up to people, asking for your ID to check to see if you're an American.

• 2:51:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51:51Joe Rogan?

  Like, both things are crazy.

• 2:51:52Speaker 02

  Both things crazy.

• 2:51:53Joe Rogan?

  But it's, it's just, there's no pathway, even if you've been here, like, if you came over here 25 years ago and you've been a great person and you pay your taxes and you raise a family and like, there's no pathway. You have to go back to Mexico or go back to Guatemala or wherever you're from. The only way to apply to do it the right way is you have to leave the country, which also seems kind of crazy. Like, you've built a life here, like...

• 2:52:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:52:21Joe Rogan?

  Should be some kind of amnesty. Now, I'm not saying that for people that are criminals or people that like just got here. Like, there should be some amnesty. No, like, no. Like, if you were one of the people that just recently snuck across the border, like, no. Like, this is crazy. You haven't built a life here.

• 2:52:37Speaker 02

  This is, this is gonna be hard to... That's a tough, uh, system.

• 2:52:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:43Speaker 02

  Right? If some, some people, yes, and some people, no, and...

• 2:52:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's a tough system. It's definitely a tough system. It's, it's tou- the whole thing is tough.

• 2:52:50Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:52:51Joe Rogan?

  Because we're a country that's established by immigrants.

• 2:52:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. It feels impossible.

• 2:52:55Joe Rogan?

  But you can't have an open border. You can't just have anybody come through because there's gonna be a bunch of criminals that come through. And you don't want that. You don't want your country to be more crime-infested. You don't want your country to have murderers and, and, you know, cartel members just coming into the country and now getting citizen- citizenship and being able to vote and organizing. And that's crazy. That's crazy. That's, that's a, that's a good way to destroy your country.

• 2:53:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:53:19Joe Rogan?

  You know, you have to have some way to vet whether or not people are good people. Yeah. But when you just let everybody in and you let 10 million people in, how do you... Unless they get arrested while they're here.

• 2:53:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:53:32Joe Rogan?

  What do you do? And even then, like, a lot of them during the Biden administration, they were getting let go. Sanctuary cities will let people go. They weren't...

• 2:53:39Speaker 02

  They were overcrowded.

• 2:53:40Joe Rogan?

  It's just crazy. The whole thing is crazy because it's become a part of a political pawn. Because they just want a bunch of people in these swing states for the census. So they get more congressional seats and if they get these people and give them the ability to vote, now you have a built-in voter base and you can just rig the election. You could rig it that way.

• 2:53:59Speaker 02

  I need the white pill.

• 2:54:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:54:01Speaker 02

  The wa- or the grayish white pill.

• 2:54:04Joe Rogan?

  I'm handing out gray pills. We might be okay.

• 2:54:08Speaker 02

  That being said, we might be okay. Things are headed in a pretty good direction.

• 2:54:12Joe Rogan?

  That we could be okay. But there's a bunch of things that have to happen. But a bunch of things have happened that are allowed us to understand how fucked we are, which is the first step towards... Fixing it.

• 2:54:25Speaker 02

  Hmm, admitting you have a problem.

• 2:54:26Joe Rogan?

  The big one was Elon buying Twitter. That was one of the biggest ones of all time.

• 2:54:31Speaker 02

  The problem?

• 2:54:31Joe Rogan?

  No, the big solution.

• 2:54:33Speaker 02

  Oh, well, for free speech.

• 2:54:34Joe Rogan?

  Because there was, we found out when he bought Twitter that the government had been censoring people's speech.

• 2:54:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can talk to Bobby about that.

• 2:54:41Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:54:42Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 2:54:43Joe Rogan?

  Crazy. Censoring accurate speech by

• 2:54:47Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 2:54:48Joe Rogan?

  Experts from Stanford, MIT, these people that were experts in their fields that say this data does not align with, you know, what you're saying does not align with the truth. And this is what I think. And these people were silenced. They were kicked off Twitter. They were, they lost their careers.

• 2:55:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:55:04Joe Rogan?

  It was crazy. And the government orchestrated it. That's not good. We wouldn't have known that if Elon didn't buy Twitter.

• 2:55:10Speaker 02

  And you think people would be outraged by that. You think a lot of people would be outraged.

• 2:55:15Joe Rogan?

  On both sides of the aisle.

• 2:55:16Speaker 02

  On both sides of the aisle.

• 2:55:17Joe Rogan?

  They should be.

• 2:55:18Speaker 02

  About

• 2:55:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:20Speaker 02

  Free speech being shut down.

• 2:55:21Joe Rogan?

  But people were happy with them doing it as long as it aligned with their values.

• 2:55:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:55:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's not good. Yeah. That's not good. None of it's good.

• 2:55:30Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:55:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's like, you, we've got to have some rock solid ethics and morals. And if we don't have that.

• 2:55:37Speaker 02

  Where do we get those?

• 2:55:38Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 2:55:39Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 2:55:40Joe Rogan?

  Jesus has to come back.

• 2:55:41Speaker 02

  Please, Jesus.

• 2:55:43Joe Rogan?

  If you're gonna come back, Jesus, now's a good time. But if he came back, everybody like, it's fucking AI. They think we're dopes. If Jesus is like hovering over the Pentagon, please stop with this war. They're like, this is.

• 2:55:55Speaker 02

  Nobody believes it.

• 2:55:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That'd be the real problem. That's gonna be the conundrum. Jesus is gonna come back when AI hits its full peak.

• 2:56:02Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 2:56:02Joe Rogan?

  And no one's gonna believe. They're gonna go, what?

• 2:56:05Speaker 02

  Ooh, there'll be a few. But then that'll be really divided, be like three people and the rest of the world.

• 2:56:10Joe Rogan?

  Right. It'll be the people that see like the Virgin Mary on a grilled cheese sandwich. Those people.

• 2:56:14Speaker 02

  Which, by the way, I've seen pictures.

• 2:56:18Joe Rogan?

  You never know. What a crazy thing if that's how the Virgin Mary wanted to give you a sign right on a grilled cheese sandwich.

• 2:56:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:27Joe Rogan?

  I'm here to let you know. God is real.

• 2:56:29Speaker 02

  I'm here. It's like, oh, I was hungry. Wanted to eat that, but now what do you do with it? Put it in a baggie.

• 2:56:35Joe Rogan?

  You gotta save it. You can't just eat it. That's crazy.

• 2:56:39Speaker 02

  But then what happens? And keep it, show relatives? Keep it in the freezer?

• 2:56:45Joe Rogan?

  I think we're gonna need something, something that happens. I hope it's not something bad, because one of the things when something bad happens is it unites us. Like 9/11.

• 2:56:55Speaker 02

  I know, yeah.

• 2:56:55Joe Rogan?

  9/11 united us.

• 2:56:56Speaker 02

  It did.

• 2:56:57Joe Rogan?

  For a small amount of time, people were pretty awesome.

• 2:56:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:57:00Joe Rogan?

  To each other, and we realized that we're really together.

• 2:57:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:57:03Joe Rogan?

  We're supposed to be one group of people.

• 2:57:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:57:05Joe Rogan?

  I just hope it doesn't take something like that for us to snap out of this, this crazy right versus left thing, because people just pick a side and adopt their pattern of thinking.

• 2:57:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:57:16Joe Rogan?

  They adopt their, whatever their values are, whatever their opinions are, they just adopt a conglomeration of other people's opinions rather than forming their own. And you can't question anything, because if you do, you get cast out.

• 2:57:29Speaker 02

  And you have to make clear that the other side is really wrong.

• 2:57:34Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, and the other side's evil, and you're good.

• 2:57:36Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:57:36Joe Rogan?

  It's good versus evil.

• 2:57:37Speaker 02

  It is good versus evil.

• 2:57:38Joe Rogan?

  And with every election, this could be the end of democracy.

• 2:57:41Speaker 02

  Oh, every time. Democracy is on the line. This is the, yeah, I get sick of that one.

• 2:57:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Oprah said that when she was running for Conwell. This might be the last time you're ever allowed to vote, like.

• 2:57:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. No.

• 2:57:54Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:57:55Speaker 02

  Is that on the table?

• 2:57:56Joe Rogan?

  Do you think people are gonna tolerate that? For real? Trump's gonna be an emperor? Okay.

• 2:58:02Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:58:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:03Speaker 02

  What I know.

• 2:58:05Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. But that's how they get people riled up and get people to vote.

• 2:58:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:58:10Joe Rogan?

  You gotta, you know, you gotta use hyperbole.

• 2:58:11Speaker 02

  Get them mad.

• 2:58:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:13Speaker 02

  You have to make people mad.

• 2:58:14Joe Rogan?

  If Bobby tried to run for president again, would you tell him, "Fuck you"? Like, there's no way. Would you go, would you say, "Look, we did this rodeo. Enough, dude"?

• 2:58:25Speaker 02

  He's not gonna run again, but, um...

• 2:58:27Joe Rogan?

  Thank the baby Jesus.

• 2:58:29Speaker 02

  If he did, you know, once again, I'm saying he's not running, but I do feel like it would be different because before, I knew it was gonna be crazy. I didn't know why. It's kinda like having a baby. You know, it's gonna be hard, but you're not sure why until you have a baby, and then you're like, every night, you're hoping your baby lives till tomorrow, and it's a different kind of stress that you had no idea existed. But with Bobby...

• 2:59:00Speaker 02

  I know now. I know what they're all up to. I've heard it's, I've heard all of the stuff that comes out, the people that come out and they spend all day and night online, going to events, trying to get him, attack him, expose him, paint him as this or that. And it was a lot, you know, that was a lot. And at the same time, it's so much bullshit that I know now what, what to expect. Like just a lot of bullshit all day, every day.

• 2:59:45Speaker 02

  And know, I would know more what to pay attention to and what to

• 2:59:52Speaker 02

  concern myself with. Because what before it was all coming at you every day, all day. And also my own career, my own friends, my decisions, got lumped in with that. So it, so everything changed. Everything was changing all day, every day. And I feel like, uh, the changes that have been made wouldn't have to, but things have already changed. Some things have changed, so it wouldn't be in that state of chaos every day.

• 3:00:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:00:25Speaker 02

  It would be a different type of chaos.

• 3:00:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's definitely.

• 3:00:27Speaker 02

  I see why people run again. Because before, when I watched people run again, you watching it and it's just like a, you can't, it's like a, you know, dumpster fire, you're, you're thinking, there's no way that guy is going to run again. That had to be the worst four year, Hillary, there's no way she can run again. That had to be the worst time of her life. And then they run again, you know, and it's, that you, then there you feel like, oh, now I understand why. Because there's almost that idea of like, that's all you had. You gave your best shot. You pulled out all the stops from nineteen eighty-nine to, you know. So, like, they can't say the same bullshit over and over.

• 3:01:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:01:12Speaker 02

  Um, so there's that part of it that's like, okay. And I, and it's, I'm sure it's intoxicating for some people.

• 3:01:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:01:20Speaker 02

  Uh.

• 3:01:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, people like winning, too.

• 3:01:22Speaker 02

  People like winning.

• 3:01:23Joe Rogan?

  So they wanna, they wanna be the person that's on the TV that says the new president of the United States. They wanna be that person. I fucking won, you know?

• 3:01:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:33Joe Rogan?

  That's why people wanna win an Oscar. That's why people wanna win everything. They wanna win. They wanna be the person on TV. Everybody says they're a winner.

• 3:01:40Speaker 02

  Ah, what about all the presidents before TV? They did, but they didn't care. Or, I mean.

• 3:01:48Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I mean, one of the weirder presidents that was on TV was Eisenhower. Because when he was leaving office, he told everybody to be careful of the military industrial complex. He warned them on television, his, uh, his speech to the Union.

• 3:02:02Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:02:04Joe Rogan?

  You ever seen that?

• 3:02:04Speaker 02

  Mm-mm.

• 3:02:05Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of crazy. Because, uh, this guy's, you know, decorated former president. I mean, he's leaving office. And as he's leaving, he's telling people to be careful. That you have to be very wary that the military industrial complex wants to go to war.

• 3:02:26Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:02:27Joe Rogan?

  And that we have to be very wary about their influence. This is a sitting president.

• 3:02:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:02:33Joe Rogan?

  Who's announcing it to the nation. And I think people were probably like, wait, what? Like, and, I, what was that? I feel like that was in the late fifties? When did Eisenhower give that famous speech?

• 3:02:45Speaker 04

  Sixty-one.

• 3:02:46Joe Rogan?

  Sixty-one.

• 3:02:47Speaker 04

  Farewell address.

• 3:02:48Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. You wanna see it?

• 3:02:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:02:49Joe Rogan?

  Let's play that and we'll, we'll leave with this. Because this is kind of nuts. Because this is, if, this, this aired on television back then, and obviously back then, there's no internet. There's no VCRs, there's no nothing. So you saw it or you didn't see it.

• 3:03:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:03:02Joe Rogan?

  And that was it.

• 3:03:02Speaker 02

  Then you heard it secondhand and, and whatever opinions you get about it are from your neighbors and that's it.

• 3:03:07Joe Rogan?

  And everybody shared their opinions and it just got washed away. And no one really thought about it until the internet came around and people were allowed to review it. So this is Eisenhower in sixty-one.

• 3:03:18Speaker 08

  The vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction. Our military organization today bears little relation to that known of any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea. Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well.

• 3:04:01Speaker 08

  But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations. Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience.

• 3:04:39Speaker 08

  The total influence, economic, political, even spiritual, is felt in every city, every state house, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development, yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.

• 3:05:08Speaker 08

  In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

• 3:05:26Speaker 08

  We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals.

• 3:05:47Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 3:05:48Speaker 02

  It is crazy. So it's basically...

• 3:05:51Joe Rogan?

  He was predicting exactly what we were dealing with right now.

• 3:05:55Speaker 02

  Which is just like, the president should be responsible for keeping our country out of war.

• 3:06:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And, well, also that there's a machine that wants to go to war.

• 3:06:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:06:08Joe Rogan?

  Because that's how they make money. Because there's more money involved in that than anything.

• 3:06:13Speaker 02

  Oh, I've learned a lot about that, too.

• 3:06:15Joe Rogan?

  That's scary.

• 3:06:16Speaker 02

  It's pretty crazy.

• 3:06:17Joe Rogan?

  You don't want to be on the wrong side of that.

• 3:06:19Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:06:20Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 3:06:20Speaker 02

  I've seen, I've seen some shit, man.

• 3:06:22Joe Rogan?

  I bet you have.

• 3:06:24Speaker 02

  Like stuff I didn't, I don't want to know.

• 3:06:27Joe Rogan?

  Was the most disturbing thing, well, what was the most disturbing thing?

• 3:06:34Speaker 02

  Uh...

• 3:06:35Joe Rogan?

  For you personally, going through all of it?

• 3:06:37Speaker 02

  Oh, for me?

• 3:06:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:06:42Speaker 02

  I think, uh, well, definitely, I was worried about Bobby's safety. You know, just watching him.

• 3:06:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:06:54Speaker 02

  Uh...

• 3:06:55Joe Rogan?

  Especially, yeah.

• 3:06:57Speaker 02

  Uh, so that, and then, and then for me, you know, I, everything changed and a lot of, and, uh, I don't know, people just have, it was interesting to watch people change their attitude about me, or, uh, that they, that I'm not the person they thought I was type of feeling, which is strange, because I'm still the same person. Um, so that was really, and, and still is too, is since very strange.

• 3:07:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you find out who's real.

• 3:07:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, you do.

• 3:07:39Joe Rogan?

  That's probably a good thing. It's good.

• 3:07:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is.

• 3:07:42Joe Rogan?

  It's good for someone to betray you like that. Like, oh, look at you, sweetie.

• 3:07:46Speaker 02

  Hmm, see who rises to the top?

• 3:07:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:07:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's true. It's hard, it's painful, though.

• 3:07:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:07:52Speaker 02

  You know?

• 3:07:52Joe Rogan?

  It sucks if you really like that person, and all of a sudden...

• 3:07:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, and you know, and also, uh,

• 3:08:01Speaker 02

  just, uh,

• 3:08:04Speaker 02

  people that don't know you that assume, they assume things

• 3:08:12Speaker 02

  that aren't true. I mean, I sound ridiculous. It's like, okay, get in line. But it was different. It just, I just did not expect, uh, politics to be such a part of my life.

• 3:08:28Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm still shocked.

• 3:08:32Speaker 02

  But, uh, you know, but it's, it's, everything's good now. But it was, there were times, and there still are, are times. But really, um, the safety, Bobby's safety was the most stressful. Every day, all day. You know, now he travels with the marshals and then that's a, and even when we, even when he was running, and that's why I do write my book, um, Unscripted, that, uh, you know, he was trying to get Secret Service protection for so long. And was denied, which is also

• 3:09:08Joe Rogan?

  Right while he was running, yeah.

• 3:09:11Speaker 02

  Which is crazy.

• 3:09:12Joe Rogan?

  It was crazy.

• 3:09:14Speaker 02

  Um, and then

• 3:09:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the Biden administration's like, nope.

• 3:09:17Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:09:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Everybody else, you can have it, but not you.

• 3:09:22Speaker 02

  So crazy.

• 3:09:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:09:23Speaker 02

  Um, and then when he, and then he did get Secret Service after the assassination attempt on President Trump. But it wasn't for very long because the election was, you know, close anyway. But just that, just having Secret Service and security around you all the time is

• 3:09:48Speaker 02

  Crazy, you know, and you learn, and also, you know, what's disturbing, like you learn, you learn what to look for and what to do in an emergency and what, you know, things that you would never really, things that you wouldn't think about, but then now you walk into a room and you look at people and you're like, okay, that guy's sweating a lot for no reason. You look to see what's suspicious, what's going on, what's, and you see things differently and it's just like.

• 3:10:22Joe Rogan?

  You have to have your guard up for the kooks.

• 3:10:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, a lot of kooks. A lot of kooks.

• 3:10:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and you know, this is a conversation we had recently, like, I think they've weaponized those kooks. They make these people think that they're doing something important.

• 3:10:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:10:38Joe Rogan?

  You know, and there's, there was a lot of talk like that, like someone needs to step up and do something. Like, what, what are you saying? Like, what are you, what the fuck, what the fuck are you saying?

• 3:10:47Speaker 02

  Right, right. Yeah.

• 3:10:49Joe Rogan?

  Like, imagine advocating for that and being, thinking you're on the good side.

• 3:10:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, you should do something.

• 3:10:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that the only solution is assassination.

• 3:10:57Speaker 02

  Take matters into your own hands.

• 3:10:58Joe Rogan?

  Someone needs to do that. Yeah.

• 3:10:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'm glad we're, glad we're really being this one. I know.

• 3:11:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it's, it's, um, it is an undeniably bizarre time, you know, it was a bizarre time. And again, I think it's uniquely bizarre today because we know more about what's really going on than ever before.

• 3:11:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:11:18Joe Rogan?

  You know, we know more about the behind the scenes stuff than ever before and just there's.

• 3:11:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it, and it's, it's about, who do you believe? That's the thing. Well, once again, that's why people really like your show because you're not trying to win anything.

• 3:11:40Speaker 02

  You're not trying to get anything. That's why people really respond to it. Because you.

• 3:11:45Joe Rogan?

  I think people need some kind of uncensored, uncontrolled discourse.

• 3:11:51Speaker 02

  There's hardly any out there.

• 3:11:53Joe Rogan?

  No, most of it is controlled by advertisers.

• 3:11:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:11:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And it's just not good.

• 3:12:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:01Joe Rogan?

  All my friends who do shows where they're on some sort of a show, like you, you have to, you get notes. People come in, you gotta cut this out, can't talk about that, don't bring this up, this is gonna piss off that company, this is gonna do this.

• 3:12:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:17Joe Rogan?

  It's not good for us.

• 3:12:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:19Joe Rogan?

  And that's the beautiful thing about the internet. Like, this is a thing that they never saw coming. And this is what's so important about Elon owning Twitter. You know, they just turned it into the Wild West, like, go crazy.

• 3:12:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:30Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's what we need. That's the only, you get a lot of bullshit, there's a lot of, everyone's gonna get tricked a few times. But, for the most part, reality resurfaces. So that's our white pill.

• 3:12:45Speaker 02

  I'm gonna try to remember that. For the most part, reality resurfaces.

• 3:12:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, when you try to squash it for a long time, no matter what, eventually, it pops up.

• 3:12:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:55Joe Rogan?

  And you go, oh, this is real.

• 3:12:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, because there's only one truth, right? There are a lot of different lies, lies, lies. But then one truth, and if it, like you're saying, keeps coming up, it's really hard to deny.

• 3:13:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the problem is like with government, the truth is so difficult to understand. There's so much going on, there's so many moving pieces. You're like, okay, well, why is that happening? Well, who's doing that? Well, why is that?

• 3:13:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:13:18Joe Rogan?

  Why'd they make that decision in the first place? Well, what happened to that ruler? How did he get kicked out of office? We funded that? Like, oh, God.

• 3:13:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:13:25Joe Rogan?

  And it's just so, the rabbit hole goes so deep.

• 3:13:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:13:29Joe Rogan?

  And that's one of the reasons why people get so obsessed with all this stuff. Because you could lose your mind just chasing down every single story.

• 3:13:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. Or just make a new one.

• 3:13:42Joe Rogan?

  Make your own.

• 3:13:42Speaker 02

  It's easy, it's easier for them, just to make a new one.

• 3:13:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:13:45Speaker 02

  You don't have to like, worry about the facts and what's real. It's just like, oh, did you hear about?

• 3:13:52Joe Rogan?

  Unscripted, you did the audio for it?

• 3:13:54Speaker 02

  I did. My sister says to play it like, at least one speed faster.

• 3:14:02Joe Rogan?

  Your sister's telling you, has like a subtle way of her saying you're boring.

• 3:14:06Speaker 02

  Why are you talking so slowly?

• 3:14:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's funny.

• 3:14:08Speaker 02

  But yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I think it, of course, I hope, I think it's interesting because I wrote it, but, um, but yeah, there's definitely stuff about curb, stuff about,

• 3:14:20Speaker 02

  um, the Bobby, the politics, Bobby before politics, Bobby after politics. It's great. It's interesting. It's a wild ride.

• 3:14:29Joe Rogan?

  All right. Well, thank you very much, Cheryl. I really enjoyed talking to you.

• 3:14:31Speaker 02

  Thank you, Zoe, too. Me, too.

• 3:14:33Joe Rogan?

  It was a lot of fun. Thank you, everybody. Bye.

• 3:14:34Speaker 02

  Bye.

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