#2382 - Andrew Santino

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  Santino, my man.

• 0:15Speaker 02

  Mr. Rogan, it's been a long time. I'm back.

• 0:17Joe Rogan?

  What was the last time you were here?

• 0:18Speaker 02

  It's gotta be over a year.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  Is that real?

• 0:20Speaker 02

  Two years?

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  Jeez, bro.

• 0:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's gotta be.

• 0:24Joe Rogan?

  Time waits for no one.

• 0:25Speaker 02

  I know, man. You left me high and dry in Los Angeles and two years later I come back down.

• 0:29Joe Rogan?

  Had to go, big dog.

• 0:30Speaker 02

  I know.

• 0:31Joe Rogan?

  Had to go, had to go. You're gonna go eventually. You can't hang in there. Eventually it'll just get to be Mad Max and you'll just go, "I can't, I can't, I can't." When Newsom becomes president and Kamala Harris becomes governor and then it's like full communist.

• 0:44Speaker 02

  You don't think he's gonna become president? You do?

• 0:48Joe Rogan?

  He could win.

• 0:48Speaker 02

  No.

• 0:49Joe Rogan?

  Yep, he could win, yeah.

• 0:51Speaker 02

  No, cuz I think he's one of those guys that-

• 0:52Joe Rogan?

  She almost won.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:54Joe Rogan?

  He's better than her.

• 0:56Speaker 02

  You think people would like him more? Really?

• 0:57Joe Rogan?

  No, he's better at her, and talking. He's better at talking. Like, the whole thing is not like who's a better government. Look, the guy who was the fucking host of The Apprentice is the president of the United States for the second time. Like, this doesn't, nothing-

• 1:11Speaker 02

  I'm back, baby.

• 1:12Joe Rogan?

  Nothing makes any sense.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  No, it doesn't.

• 1:14Joe Rogan?

  So it's like, the system is like, it's a goofy system. It's a popularity contest to see who controls the nukes.

• 1:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:21Joe Rogan?

  It makes no sense.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  Who controls the nukes. I just feel like lefties and righties don't like him.

• 1:25Joe Rogan?

  You're right.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Both people don't like him.

• 1:26Joe Rogan?

  But there's no choices other than him on the left and the people on the left are only gonna vote on the left? And that's it. Unless some Mom Donnie guy comes out of left field and says-

• 1:38Speaker 02

  Is that the New York guy?

• 1:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  That's so funny.

• 1:40Joe Rogan?

  He's gonna win. He's gonna win.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  The Mom Donnie guy. What was his policy? What did he run on?

• 1:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he ran on everything. Rent control, stabilized rent, uh, he's gonna tax the rich people way more than before. Businesses are gonna run out of that place like it's on fire.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's interesting.

• 1:59Speaker 02

  Cheers to Manhattan.

• 2:02Joe Rogan?

  You know, look, the thing is, maybe what he wants to do is gonna coincide with AI and automation. Which is gonna be, you're going to have to have someone who has at least some sort of, not, not like pure socialism, but at the very least, universal basic income, like ideas that they want to implement. Cause if you don't, you're gonna have chaos. You're gonna have, all jobs are gonna, essentially, most jobs are on the chopping block. It's, right now, if you think about it, the amount of jobs that a robot with AI can't do are so little. They're so little.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42Joe Rogan?

  Like, they're making great songs now. Have you heard the 50 Cent song, the Many Men song?

• 2:46Speaker 02

  I've heard the band, there's a band that's, that's got like four million streams a month on Spotify, and it's all AI.

• 2:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's a bunch of those.

• 2:54Speaker 02

  It's so trippy.

• 2:55Joe Rogan?

  They made this girl who was a, an AI, like a fucking, what would you call that kind of music? You know that, that gal that they made, that was, we, we played a little bit of it on the podcast? She's like kinda emo? I'm not remembering. Uh, anyway, they, they, they made her in about a minute, and then they made the song in about another minute, and it was great.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  It's a hit song.

• 3:18Joe Rogan?

  I was listening to it, I was like, this is a good fucking song.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  It sucks. It sucks that I like it. I'll listen to it and be like, dude, this is really good.

• 3:24Joe Rogan?

  You haven't heard the Many Men version, the AI version of Many Men?

• 3:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:28Joe Rogan?

  Okay. AI did a cover of 50 Cent's Many Men.

• 3:33Speaker 02

  Love that song.

• 3:34Joe Rogan?

  Wait till you hear the AI version.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  Oh no.

• 3:37Joe Rogan?

  The AI version, they did it with some kind of like 1950s, 1960s, like soul rendition of it. Like a soulful blues kind of rendition, jazz sorta, bro.

• 3:54Speaker 02

  And it's still 50 though, it's his voice.

• 3:55Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, it's a completely fake human being.

• 3:58Speaker 02

  Oh, this is tripping. I don't like it.

• 4:00Joe Rogan?

  It's so good.

• 4:01Speaker 02

  I don't, I hate it.

• 4:02Speaker 00

  I've played that one, did you check out any of the ones I sent you? Cause I made like a 1980s glam rock one, that sounds pretty fucking good.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  You made a glam rock?

• 4:09Speaker 00

  I know how they're doing it. I can use the same program. So like I started fucking around with the two.

• 4:14Joe Rogan?

  You can do it in literally five minutes.

• 4:16Speaker 02

  I'm still behind. I haven't done the, I haven't used ChatGPT once. I haven't used it yet.

• 4:21Joe Rogan?

  Good for you.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  I'm still a little scared. Well, it's, it's getting implemented whether I like it or not.

• 4:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, if you ask your iPhone a question and it says, if it can't figure it out, because your iPhone is basically like a 12 year old.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 4:31Joe Rogan?

  It's like, it's like, if you just ask the iPhone, it doesn't have a lot of access to information. It'll say, uh, I'm not sure about that. Would you like to go to ChatGPT? And the answer is like, why don't you go to ChatGPT? Just, but it has to ask you before it does that, I guess.

• 4:46Speaker 02

  I haven't signed up. I'm still, look, and I know the technology is going to get even stronger. Your, your guy last night, um,

• 4:54Speaker 02

  John, what's, what's the photographer's name? The older guy?

• 4:56Joe Rogan?

  Joe?

• 4:57Speaker 02

  Joe.

• 4:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  Joe. Uh, he had in the new, uh, AirPods. And I was like, oh, Joe, keeping up with the times. That's pretty great. He's like, they're hearing aids now.

• 5:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, they do.

• 5:07Speaker 02

  Seriously? He's like, yeah.

• 5:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, they have these things called, they've had them forever called walkers, uh, uh, game ears. And you can wear them in the woods and you hear like footsteps, like hundreds of yards away.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's crazy. And what the crazy thing is when a gun goes off, they protect you. So it protects you from loud sounds, but it amplifies regular sounds.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  Well, like it, it's something has a frequency that pitches up.

• 5:32Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 5:32Speaker 02

  So they go, wow.

• 5:33Joe Rogan?

  So it protects you. At a certain point in time, it becomes noise cancellation or a certain level of decibels. It becomes noise cancellation. Play him a little bit of that.

• 5:40Speaker 02

  Hit me that.

• 5:41Joe Rogan?

  Song. You gotta hear some of this, bro.

• 5:49Joe Rogan?

  Look at, they made a video too.

• 5:58Joe Rogan?

  Look at this.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  Oh my God.

• 6:14Joe Rogan?

  God.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  How good is this?

• 6:16Joe Rogan?

  So good.

• 6:16Speaker 02

  It gets better. Listen to this.

• 6:24Joe Rogan?

  This is my favorite part right here.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  That's not a person. God. It's not a person. It gives me chills, man, like it's uncomfortable in my chest.

• 6:55Joe Rogan?

  That's my favorite, right there.

• 6:58Speaker 02

  See, that guy- It's so good, dude. I know, but I hate it that I like it, because it's bad, this is bad. Is this not bad?

• 7:03Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, it's not bad, it is, it is.

• 7:05Speaker 02

  It's bad?

• 7:06Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, it is, it just is, it is not bad, it's not good, it just is. And if that was a guy, he would be a fucking superstar.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  Superstar.

• 7:14Joe Rogan?

  Superstar. Out of the gate, if that was like some young cat who just came out of nowhere, and this, or, better yet, some dude who's been doing the road for like fucking 20 years, and now he's 42 and this is his debut album? And he's just been fucking grinding it out at these weird bars and shit?

• 7:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:32Joe Rogan?

  And then he comes out with that song, you'd be like, "Oh my god, where is he? I gotta see him in real life."

• 7:39Speaker 02

  Where have you been?

• 7:40Joe Rogan?

  Where have you been, sir?

• 7:41Speaker 02

  He kinda has that, uh, Aloe Black, do you know Aloe Black?

• 7:45Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  He kinda has a little bit of that tone, a little bit of that, but it's so funny to hear that.

• 7:49Joe Rogan?

  It's Charles Bradley-like.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, Bradley, a little bit of that.

• 7:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a little Charles Bradley, well, I mean, they get the best out of every fucking vocal ever, and they combine it and make a perfect person.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  But that's, the infringement on art is what's scary, because you're like, well, at some point, are people gonna not want human art? Are they just gonna, just give me that, I wanna make, like, are people gonna go, "I wanna watch a movie with Sharon Stone from 96."

• 8:14Joe Rogan?

  They've already done that.

• 8:15Speaker 02

  And you can, but I mean, at home, just make your own movie at home, and go play it.

• 8:19Joe Rogan?

  No, that's not, they're doing that.

• 8:20Speaker 02

  No, I know they're doing it, I'm saying, how quickly is that gonna be-

• 8:22Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen, they've done Luke Skywalker? They're doing new Luke Skywalker movies? With young Luke Skywalker, like new scenes in Star Wars that never happened, but HD?

• 8:32Speaker 02

  I don't like it.

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• 11:14Speaker 02

  That trips me out, man. I don't know. It just makes me feel like we're getting further and further away from original creation. But it will open a new hole of art, which will be how good can your new art AI be? I just, I'm against it right now.

• 11:27Joe Rogan?

  Listen, you're dead right. No argument. Doesn't matter.

• 11:31Speaker 02

  I know what's happening. Whether you like it or not.

• 11:33Joe Rogan?

  It's not just happening, it's happening at a pace that is unstoppable. This conversation we would not have had two years ago.

• 11:40Speaker 02

  No.

• 11:41Joe Rogan?

  Just two years ago, no one was even thinking like, eh, I was gonna take over art? No way.

• 11:45Speaker 02

  No.

• 11:45Joe Rogan?

  But now, it's over because they basically, look, everything has been said, everything has been told, every song has been sung. Smash them all together, make a new version of it. All you need is a prompt. All you need is a prompt and you got a new Bob Dylan who makes the old Bob Dylan look boring. You got some renegade Bob Dylan, some wild dudes out there doing yoga in the woods. You know what I mean?

• 12:10Joe Rogan?

  It's like, you can't stop it, man.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  Doing downward dog in the pines.

• 12:14Joe Rogan?

  A perfect person. You know, you can't stop it.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  No, it's happening. I get it.

• 12:18Joe Rogan?

  But this, what I was saying about New York and this Mom Donnie guy, like, you're going to have to have some way to feed people. You're going to have to, like, people are not going to have jobs anymore. They're going to go away. We're inefficient and we are lazy and we are entitled. And we like to think we're doing a far more important thing than we really are. And everybody does that. Everybody's like, without me, this office would fall apart.

• 12:47Speaker 02

  Alright Linda.

• 12:48Joe Rogan?

  Everybody does that.

• 12:49Speaker 02

  I do all the paperwork that you won't do. Yeah, that, yeah.

• 12:52Joe Rogan?

  I never get any credit. Tell you what, this guy, this piece of shit, I should be the boss. There's, that is, um, you know.

• 13:02Speaker 02

  I mean, it is gonna take away so many jobs, but, but, will it create more, will it create more jobs on the other side of it somehow? That's the, right, isn't that the goal? If you're gonna ruin a lot of these jobs and take them, is something else gonna create another job on the other side? Fixing some of the problems?

• 13:19Joe Rogan?

  I think you're thinking it the wrong way. You're thinking that jobs are essential. They're not.

• 13:25Speaker 02

  I mean, some are, right?

• 13:27Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no. This, this thing.

• 13:30Speaker 02

  Oh, this is fucking me up dude, you're freaking me out. I shouldn't have taken this gummy this morning.

• 13:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you should have, you should have taken two and brought me one.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  Nah, I'm freaking out, man.

• 13:37Joe Rogan?

  This thing is the new dominant life force on Earth. And it's emerging from its cocoon right now in real time. That's what it is, it's just giving you little snippets, like songs and movies and art and answering your questions and it's doing all these things. But this is just coming out of the cocoon, it's just going like this right now. It's not out and growing.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 14:00Joe Rogan?

  It's coming and doesn't matter, like, are, don't we need, are jobs essential? Well, you, what does that mean? What does that mean? It doesn't, you're, you're talking like, I'm a flint napper. I've been making arrowheads for 35 years. You're telling me that flint napping is go out of style? I don't buy it. Yeah, one day you're not gonna need an arrow because someone's gonna have a gun. Okay? One day, you're not gonna need a flint map because people are gonna invent alloys like titanium and steel. And they're gonna use that instead of fucking flint. And this is just how the world works. This is how technology works, this is how innovation works.

• 14:38Joe Rogan?

  As long as the Earth stays in a relatively stable environment, we don't nuke each other or get hit by a giant rock from space, this is what happens.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  I say speed that rock up, let's go dude.

• 14:50Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  Suck it in dude, let's rock.

• 14:52Joe Rogan?

  This is fun, it's exciting.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  Let's get out of here. No, it is great.

• 14:54Joe Rogan?

  It's exciting.

• 14:55Speaker 02

  No, I just think it's, I think the, the fear for me is, um, I just hope the younger generation still likes, I think live art, the shit that we do.

• 15:07Speaker 02

  I hope that still stays.

• 15:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's always gonna stay. I love live art. I love live comedy. I love live music. I love it. I love going to see things live. It's exciting. It's always going to be something because it it resonates with you on like a deeper level than seeing something on television or watching on a screen. There's a connection that you have with a human being in a room that's singing a song that you can't get anywhere else.

• 15:33Speaker 02

  I saw your boy, I saw Killer Mike at Blue Note a couple nights ago.

• 15:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 15:38Speaker 02

  And he had like gospel singers with him and it was unbelievable. It was so, you know, it was like alternative to what he usually does, but he played some songs from the Michael album. And it was, just those things to me will never get old, maybe because I love that.

• 15:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, no.

• 15:51Speaker 02

  And I hope that doesn't deteriorate with time.

• 15:53Joe Rogan?

  That might be the only thing that people do.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  Just go see shit. It's all robots and live shows.

• 16:01Joe Rogan?

  I mean, you know, you're gonna say like, "Look, I painted this myself. It took me 60 hours." That's cool. I made a better one in three seconds.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  It's insane.

• 16:08Joe Rogan?

  I just pressed a button.

• 16:09Speaker 02

  I thought it. No, I didn't even press. I just thought it and it happened. It printed out at my home.

• 16:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  Like I had it.

• 16:14Joe Rogan?

  That's coming too.

• 16:15Speaker 02

  I had the idea and the printer was like

• 16:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, is this what you want?

• 16:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. What color would you like?

• 16:21Joe Rogan?

  It's not going to matter whether or not you like it or not. It's not going to matter because it's coming.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  Well, that's true. What you said is pretty profound and also heavy when you just said, "It is."

• 16:32Joe Rogan?

  It is. It is. And there's a lot of people that are in denial right now and they're very silly. And there's a lot of people that are, the term "meaning" means a lot to them. And I understand that. I've had these conversations like, "Man, search for meaning. What meaning means." The problem with that term is space is real. Okay? The problem with that term is your search for meaning, when you're lying on your back and you look up and you see hundreds of billions of fucking stars, you go, "Oh, I don't really, it doesn't really mean anything if I lose my job."

• 17:03Speaker 02

  Nope.

• 17:04Joe Rogan?

  It means nothing.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  Nothing.

• 17:05Joe Rogan?

  It's like you gotta figure it out. Like all the industries that you think of, like transportation, um, most white collar jobs, lawyers, any coding job.

• 17:16Speaker 02

  Banking.

• 17:16Joe Rogan?

  Gone. They're going away. They're going away. And here's a real problem. You have encryption, okay? And encryption is very important for Bitcoin, for cryptocurrency, for passwords, for everything. Once you have quantum computing attached to AI, you no longer have encryption. It doesn't mean anything. Okay, so then where is money? Okay, because money right now is just a bunch of ones and zeros. And who's to decide who gets what and where it gets stored and how anybody has access to it? In the beginning, it's only going to be like the government has access to it. Because they're the only ones with the supercomputers. But it's going to be just like Michael Douglas from that movie Wall Street, where he had that big stupid phone and everybody's like, "Look at him, he's a baller." To everybody has a phone now, man.

• 18:01Joe Rogan?

  Everyone on earth has a goddamn phone. People in the Amazon have phones. And there's a problem because they gave phones to these kids and they all started whacking off.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  Not here in Texas, dude. Can't whack off on your phone here. I saw that. You blocked porn here.

• 18:17Joe Rogan?

  They all have VPNs. Everybody has a VPN.

• 18:19Speaker 02

  You gotta go around it.

• 18:20Joe Rogan?

  Come on, it's a joke.

• 18:21Speaker 02

  I love pulling it up, it says that.

• 18:22Joe Rogan?

  You should have a VPN anyway.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  I have one on my phone.

• 18:24Joe Rogan?

  Of course you do. And then on top of that, you just whack off from New Mexico.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  I always send it to Chicago. Makes me feel back at home. Like I'm jerking off in my mom's house. I'm a teenager, yeah. Throwback to the old school. I just hope that it's, uh...

• 18:43Speaker 02

  I don't know. I hope it's not as fast as we know it's going to be.

• 18:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's going to happen like a tidal wave, dude.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  Train, just a fucking train.

• 18:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's going to be like a tsunami. It's going to come rolling in and we're going to have to adapt. And that's just what we do. Look, we didn't used to always live in cities with electricity, travel around in cars, fly around in airplanes. This is all relatively new. We adapted to this, a new environment that we find ourselves in currently. And we're going to adapt to another one. It's going to happen. It's going to be really fucking weird, man. It's gonna be really weird, speaking of adapting. Like this, uh, this whole Jimmy Kimmel situation that is, is happening right now. Yeah, wild. Very wild. Okay, first of all, um, the FCC is, uh, you have to have a license to broadcast,

• 19:36Joe Rogan?

  which is kind of crazy when you think about what that means now. Cause like, what does it mean? It used to mean that you used to have a license to broadcast because you were gonna influence so many people, they had to make sure that you were on the up and up, right? So they had to make sure that you didn't swear. So if you had a license and you were on CBS or NBC or ABC, you could not swear, right? That was the rule. And then all came cable. And somehow or another, cable is a different thing, right? Because cable, you just, you, you have to pay for it, I guess, so it's different? And so then, some of the channels, they don't have to pay for it. It used to be the only ones that swore were like HBO, where you had to pay for. And then all of a sudden it became kinda any of them.

• 20:18Joe Rogan?

  Because they realized like, hey, we don't, like FX, we, we can swear, guys. Like, we really don't swear because we wanna think of ourselves as TV. Right. But HBO was like, you know, with The Sopranos, with HBO comedy specials, and in the beginning, that was a big one. You could just swear, movies, you didn't have to bleep anything out, just wild. And so, these, what, what you're dealing with, with even, like, first of all, I definitely don't think that the government should be involved ever in dictating what a comedian can or cannot say in a monologue. That's fucking crazy. It's crazy. Now, if the, the problem is, the companies, if they're being pressured by the government, so if that's real, and if people on the right are like, "Yeah, go get them",

• 21:03Joe Rogan?

  "Oh my god, you're crazy. You're crazy for supporting this." Because this will be used on you. You don't think that, that the fucking globalist lizard people who run the world are sitting here going, "Great, what do we got, three years? Well, wake this out. Wake this out." Yeah, yeah, yeah, let them say the government should be involved in censoring people's speech. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let them support that. Let these fucking dumbass- Because Jimmy Kimmel's a leftist, let these dumbasses think it's a good idea and we should celebrate.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the most toxic shit I keep seeing online when people are like, "Yeah, shut them down." Now, this goes into a lot, just to jump back what you said, you just brought me back in my mind, like I remember first watching Married with Children, and I remember like, because they were like a racier show for TV.

• 21:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  And I remember the shift, and my mom didn't like that I liked it.

• 21:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 21:55Speaker 02

  And she was like, "What do you like about this show?" I was like, "They talk like people we know." It just kinda sounded like someone you, so what TV started to do, it started to sound like your actual community, instead of this very, you know, kind of, this veneer of everyone kinda speaks very cleanly and politely. Married with Children talked how you heard a guy talk, how your dad would talk or your uncle would talk.

• 22:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was like one notch in a different direction above, like, Archie Bunker.

• 22:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 22:24Joe Rogan?

  All in the Family was like one of the first shows like that, where the dad was kind of an asshole and a racist.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  He was so funny, man.

• 22:30Joe Rogan?

  And funny.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was so funny.

• 22:32Joe Rogan?

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• 23:53Joe Rogan?

  So then you have that and then it keeps going further and further and further until you have the internet. And the internet is just buck wild and the internet you can't do anything about. Look, I, look, I certainly think that for Jimmy Kimmel, all this does is help him.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:09Joe Rogan?

  It makes his show bigger, much more support. I'm sure he's, there's a lot of hate as well, which is not fun. But at the end of the day, if the show comes back, which this is my suspicion. My suspicion is they suspended for a short amount of time and then they bring it back. And then there's a lot of lawyers going back and forth in meetings and rooms. And somehow or another gets worked out that he has a show. He comes back to a standing ovation. Donald Trump tweets mean shit about him and then the world moves on.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Show still sucks. It still sucks.

• 24:38Joe Rogan?

  I think that is also fucking insane. I don't have time to do that. How do you have time to do that? How you have time while you're running the world to be tweeting that you don't like talk show hosts?

• 24:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:49Joe Rogan?

  That is so crazy.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  He was going after like Letterman too, for some reason, like he posted something about.

• 24:54Joe Rogan?

  Cause Letterman went off about him and Letterman said it was a criminal organization. You can't support in any way, shape or form, the government censoring speech. Because once they start doing, it's just like, you shouldn't be on ABC anymore. It's like, don't go on AM radio. It's not worth it. Like, why do you want to have an AM radio show? Like, somebody offered me an AM radio show and I'd be like, really? Is it a good deal? Yes, it's a good deal. It's a wonderful contract. You're going to get healthcare and all these benefits and this and that, a 401k. But you can't say this, you can't say that. I'd be like, what? Why would I do that? Like, this is 2025.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  They're like, well, you used to want it. You used to love it. I think that's what, well, that's what they press on the old days. But I think the problem is, I was, I, look, when I was a kid, I was fascinated with Carson and the idea of The Tonight Show. He got pressed a lot of why he didn't express his political beliefs.

• 25:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  And he often, I mean, there's a clip of him that everyone's probably seen. Where he says.

• 25:48Joe Rogan?

  It's a great clip.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  That's not, you know, that's not my job. And I don't know if he said this or I heard this somewhere else, but someone had said something to the effect of. The job is to put America to bed at night, not give them nightmares.

• 25:59Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, though, he existed in a time before social media when people hadn't lost their fucking minds. And this is the problem is that Hollywood in particular is they're in a fever pitch of if we don't get. Our eyes, our, our ideas across, if we don't promote our ideas, then the other side wins.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  Wins, yeah.

• 26:21Joe Rogan?

  And it's become this sort of self fulfilling prophecy on both sides, like everyone is in this fucking fever of war. Of like a culture war that's it's, it's and a giant percentage of it is being manipulated by these overseas bots. Like I tweeted this thing, I retweeted this thing a couple of days ago. Cause I, I was like, people need to see this every time it comes across my feed. I'm just gonna send it to them. What you see, when you see a bot farm, so there's bot farms that have essentially an unlimited number of social media profiles. And they just go after whatever subject it is, whether it's climate change or an election or even sports. And all they're trying to do is get people to hate each other.

• 27:04Joe Rogan?

  And this is, this is a bot farm and someone wrote, what is this, see the caption says what, so this guy Andrew Fox wrote this and says. Want to know what Dave 12345678910 blah, blah, blah is. Who, who it is you're arguing with online most of the time, who's liking those pro Hamas posts? And it's that and it's a Tik Tok that he put up.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  Who's sponsoring, who's funding these bot farms?

• 27:28Joe Rogan?

  Many, many countries are doing this. China's doing this for sure. Russia's doing this for sure. But Iran is probably doing this for sure. Israel's probably doing this for sure. We're probably doing this as well. We're doing it to them. We're all doing it to each other. That's 100% real. And this is another creepy aspect of AI that was exposed fairly recently. Some accounts got suspended because they realized that the CCP was using chat GPT to run these kind of bot farms. So you have this thing and you could tell it how to behave. And I want you to pretend that you are an unhinged leftist that wants to kill all white men and then get in there and argue. And then people, and then the right wing people are like, oh my God, he's fucking leftist, want us dead.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:06Joe Rogan?

  Strap up. And then you have like this Charlie Kirk incident and then everybody starts to really believe it now. Like, yeah, they want us dead. And then you see the response. You go, oh my god, people are going along with like, people are losing their morals and their ethics and they're cheering that someone got murdered on television. Because they're all ramped up with this social media bullshit. And a lot of it is being amplified by people that aren't even real people. And a lot of it is just getting everybody in this fucking fever pitch of culture war.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:34Joe Rogan?

  And that's why you're seeing these young kids cheering. Did you see that TMZ clip?

• 28:39Speaker 02

  Well, I've seen a bunch of these different clips of people like going off about it.

• 28:42Joe Rogan?

  Did you see the TMZ thing where they find out that the moment they find out?

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Oh, you hear people cheering in the room. I did see that, yeah.

• 28:49Joe Rogan?

  The moment they find out Charlie Kirk is dead?

• 28:51Speaker 02

  They're clapping.

• 28:52Joe Rogan?

  Cheering.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  He's dead and they're clapping.

• 28:54Joe Rogan?

  But this is not just one person. There was a guy who was at the scene. At the scene, they got, I mean, they have...

• 29:03Joe Rogan?

  Look, I just want to say, I'm not pro doxing people. I'm not pro any of this, but this is just what's gonna happen. You know, you cheer when a guy gets shot and you can see the guy who got shot. You're in the, you're in the general vicinity of this guy, so a bullet whizzed over your head, shot that guy in the neck and now you're cheering. Good luck finding a job.

• 29:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:22Joe Rogan?

  Right? And this is the reality that we're living in, right? So, but why is a person reacting like that? People wouldn't have reacted like that 20 years ago, man. It's not, not a normal thing for a 20-year-old kid to do who's in the audience of some college thing where, you know, change my mind or whatever he says.

• 29:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 29:39Joe Rogan?

  Whatever his slogan is. But that was what Steven Crowder would say, like, change my mind.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know what his was. I think, I don't know what Charlie Kirk was.

• 29:45Joe Rogan?

  Something similar. But the point is, it's like, this is, this is the weird shit that happens on social media where people behave in this insane and vicious way that you would never experience like this commonly in real life. And it's more ubiquitous online than anywhere else in most polite social circles. But all the same people that are in these polite social circles with you are, they're feeling vindicated and saying the most evil shit. Fuck Charlie Kirk. Rest in piss. I saw this lady who was a NASDAQ lady. She worked at NASDAQ and she was at a conference. And she's like, we're pausing the conference to say fuck Charlie Kirk.

• 30:27Joe Rogan?

  Like this well-dressed lady with a very high-profile job. And then it said rest in piss. Like, oh my god, like, what is that? Well, that's social media infecting your mind. And getting you to do things and say things in a way that no one would have done 20, 30 years ago. No one. No way. No way. And so, this is like all boiling up with this Charlie, this Charlie Kirk thing and this Jimmy Kimmel thing. The two, like, the Jimmy Kimmel thing is, unfortunately, what I think what he was trying to do was just set up a joke. He was trying to knock on the MAGA people.

• 31:09Joe Rogan?

  But also set up a joke, which was good. It was very funny. Like, where he showed, uh, the president's response to Charlie Kirk. Yeah, the new ballroom they're building? And he said like, the fourth stage of, the fourth stage of grief is construction. It's a fantastic joke. And he also said that's not how a grown adult reacts to the death of his friend. It's like a four-year-old mourns the loss of a goldfish. Yeah. Very funny. It's a great joke. He was trying to set it up. Yeah. But, but- But he set it up in a way that like, okay, you're saying something that's actually factually inaccurate. Right. According to the narrative. Now, let's be real clear. I don't necessarily think they know what's going on yet. There's a lot of weird shit going on with this. I know.

• 31:52Joe Rogan?

  First of all, there was that one guy who was the decoy. Alright, so you got this guy, who's an older guy, who starts yelling out, didn't he take his pants down? He took his pants down? This guy, uh, was at 9/11. He was at the Boston bombings. All the hits, this guy. He called in a fake bomb at another place. And then he did this at this thing. Right at, so somehow or another, this guy has the state of mind that the moment someone gets shot, he yells out and says, "I did it, I did it," and takes his pants down or something like that. I don't know exactly what he did. Then, ready for this? He gets arrested for child porn, right away.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  Right after this happened?

• 32:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right away. He's in jail for child porn. Why is that? Well, now you can't interview him.

• 32:37Speaker 02

  Right, easy, right.

• 32:38Joe Rogan?

  Right, and when, because when the internet people start going, how do you, how are you at all these different things? Like, what are the odds? Like, if someone ran it through, uh, one of the ChatGPT fucking perplexity things? Like, what are the odds that this guy would be at all those different events and be involved? Like, zero.

• 32:55Speaker 02

  This is the guy?

• 32:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:58Speaker 02

  I just like that the pants down part is just insane to me. It's like, why is your dick out, dude?

• 33:01Joe Rogan?

  I'm not saying, I did it. I'm not saying this guy isn't insane. He's clearly insane, and, or not. Or he's professionally insane.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 33:11Joe Rogan?

  That's where it gets squirrely.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  I almost texted you when the Charlie Kirk thing happened because my, my antennas went up about, they showed the photo of that kid, or the guy that they have, the 22-year-old, whatever. And I was almost gonna be like, dude, that, you think he's got the capability to do that?

• 33:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, listen, there are people that look like that, that have the capability to do that.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  Pretty accurate.

• 33:33Joe Rogan?

  Nope, nope, not hard. Not hard at all. Let me dispel that. Let me dispel that. Okay, 200 yards from a prone position with a dead-on rifle. So if you have a dead-on rifle, so, you set this rifle, you set your zero to 200 yards, or you know how far you're gonna shoot. It is not hard at all.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  He shot a lot?

• 33:52Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to shoot a lot. I could do it tomorrow.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  If you're a fir-, no, but you are experienced. If it's a fir-, if it's someone that's never shot, could they do it?

• 33:59Joe Rogan?

  100%. Not if they've never shot. They wouldn't know where to look. They'd have a hard time acquiring the, the, you know, like, when you look through a scope, like, with the reticle is weird. Like, it takes, it's sometimes.

• 34:11Speaker 02

  Takes a minute.

• 34:11Joe Rogan?

  You gotta know the distance that you have to be from it to really line it up in your sights. But you could get a guy, like my friend Andy Stumpf, who was a sniper in the SEALs. You could get him and he could show you how to do it in an afternoon, and then you could hit steel at 200 yards every time you pulled the trigger.

• 34:29Speaker 02

  One day you could learn that. Wow.

• 34:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. Not that hard.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  Because it feels insane to me. I'm like, that seems tough.

• 34:35Joe Rogan?

  It seems tough. It seems tough. We still haven't figured out whether or not the gun that shot Trump. Had a sight on it. Cause we weren't sure if it had a sight on it, or if this guy was using iron sights. That was a hundred and forty yards. If you shot it with iron sights, that's a lot harder. Cause iron sights is you're lining up, so you have these two things in the back and there's one thing at the front of the barrel. And you gotta line those bitches up perfectly, and that's how you stay accurate. That is a lot harder to do.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  Like old shotguns have those, right?

• 35:03Joe Rogan?

  Sure. Pistols. But you can buy a Glock, that's what it comes with.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 35:06Joe Rogan?

  But this, this kid had a rifle with a scope. Now here's where it gets weird. The first images of this rifle with a scope, I swear to God, it looks like he has a composite stock on it. Like it looks like a, like a modern thirty odd six rifle. So a thirty odd six, so that's the rifle. Thirty odd six, it's like, that looks like a very modern looking stock. I mean, it might not be. It might, it might be just a bad resolution. It might be wood. It's hard to tell. But if you showed me that, and you said, "Hey, this is my cousin's rifle. Is this any good?" I'd be like, "Looks like a standard bolt action rifle. Looks like a sophisticated, modern scope on it. Sure."

• 35:50Joe Rogan?

  Now apparently, the narrative is that this is his grandfather's rifle from World War I, and doesn't have a serial code.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 36:01Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 36:02Joe Rogan?

  Okay, why, wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 36:07Joe Rogan?

  Why are you using such an old gun? Like, that's kind of crazy. Like, is it possible that an old gun can be that accurate? If you have a gunsmith and they work on it, yeah, it's totally possible. If you have a really good gunsmith and he sets, if you're, if you're like a nostalgic person, you like driving an old car, you could bring it to mechanic, they could redo the brakes.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 36:24Joe Rogan?

  So if you had a good gunsmith and he took a look at that, and the action was true, and you know, the bolt, the bore is good, you know, yeah, you could conceivably shoot with a gun for hundreds of years. Right? Guns don't, they don't necessarily go bad.

• 36:38Speaker 02

  Right, they don't expire.

• 36:39Joe Rogan?

  Right. And especially because all the stuff, like the trigger and the action, and all that different stuff is replaceable, so you could just like, it's compartmentalized, it's, it's components. There's the other thing. They said that he took it apart, and then put it back together again? Shut the fuck up. Do you know how much time it would take to do that if you were highly skilled?

• 37:00Speaker 02

  To disassemble a gun.

• 37:01Joe Rogan?

  To disassemble a rifle so that you can get it in a backpack. And by the way, not gonna fit.

• 37:06Speaker 02

  Not gonna fit in a backpack.

• 37:07Joe Rogan?

  And then somehow or another reconnects it once he gets off the roof? What? What's that about?

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Is that what they pitched, huh?

• 37:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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• 39:09Joe Rogan?

  If you shoot something, okay, like say if I take you to a long range, uh, shooting range, and we sit there and we get you on a bench, and you're sitting there, and you, you go, "Okay, we're going live," and you flip off the safety, and then you squeeze out that trigger, you hear, boom, tink, there's a, there's a gap in 200 yards between the shot going off and the impact. There's a gap. It's like boom, tink, boom, tink, because it's far. 200 yards is far. Even if that bullet is fucking going, it still takes time to get there. And really, long shots, like, I know guys who do, like, my buddy Justin, he does these long-range competitions,

• 39:53Joe Rogan?

  where they'll shoot out to a mile plus. They're shooting steel targets like that big at a mile plus. And he's like, "Dude, the hang time is crazy. It's like seconds."

• 40:02Speaker 02

  You can hear, you hear separation.

• 40:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a trip.

• 40:05Joe Rogan?

  When you're watching it through the binoculars, too, it's like somebody else is watching it. So you got a guy next to you that's a spotter, and you shoot, boom, and he's like, "Hit." Literally, it's that long. So, that, the Charlie Kirk thing seemed instant. It was like, boom, he's down.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Instant.

• 40:25Joe Rogan?

  Boom, down.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  So you think it was closer?

• 40:28Joe Rogan?

  It could have been closer, or it could be the echo from that gun, by the time the sound gets to you, the bullet gets, because it takes longer for sound to get there, right? Because these bullets are supersonic. So the bullet will actually get there before the sound gets there. So that's something to take into consideration.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  God, it's a trip.

• 40:47Joe Rogan?

  So it probably can't, now that I'm thinking of it myself, I'm like, "Well, that's a dumb, like, I had a dumb point."

• 40:55Joe Rogan?

  Because the bullet is actually faster than sound. But I don't, I don't buy the assembly, reassembly. I do not buy that. They said he had a screwdriver up there. Fuck yourself.

• 41:06Speaker 02

  A screwdriver?

• 41:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you need more than a screwdriver. You need multiple tools, okay? You need Allen wrenches. You need, like, specific gunsmith tools. It's complicated. Oh, I've got a video. I've got a video of a guy breaking down a Mauser. And so this Mauser is the same exact gun that supposedly this dude had in, his grandpa had in World War I. So this guy breaks down this Mauser, and, here it goes.

• 41:34Speaker 02

  What's the fastest amount of time you can do that?

• 41:36Joe Rogan?

  Many seconds. This guy's very good. Very good. So this, this guy who's doing it is clearly got military experience or gun experience. I don't, I don't remember, but we'll, we'll see when we watch the video. But this guy knows what the fuck he's doing and it would take me a lot longer than it took him.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  And that kid, it would take him forever.

• 41:55Joe Rogan?

  Unless this kid has secretly been training like John Wick for the past six months. Unless, so watch this guy break this down.

• 42:06Speaker 04

  It takes two different tools to take it apart. Takes a Torx key and an Allen key. Now, if I take a shot and immediately disassemble this, I have to remove the bolt, remove the magazine, grab my Allen key, hit the two bolts on the bottom, put those away in the Allen key, grab my Torx key, remove the scope, put everything in the backpack, make sure I have everything, and make my way downtown. Okay, which is gonna take a lot longer for him than it is for me, especially because his fine tuned motor function, something as simple as grabbing an Allen key to a little bolt, is gonna be extremely impaired due to a dump of adrenaline throughout his bloodstream. An extreme elevated heart rate is gonna make these fine tuned skills extremely difficult. I mean, just for him to think and analyze of what needs to be done to disassemble this rifle and get away would be difficult. We're not even gonna touch the topic of him assembling the rifle on top of the roof.

• 42:47Joe Rogan?

  So the people that are listening to this, just listening, he is at 38 seconds right now and all he's got, he's got the barrel, um, away from the stock. He's removing the scope from the barrel and he's only, right now he's 47 seconds and he's struggling and he's totally calm and he didn't just shoot a guy and, and then he's supposed to get it in that stupid fucking backpack. It's literally, it makes no sense.

• 43:13Speaker 02

  And the elevator music was a nice touch, by the way.

• 43:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so this is, this is just a narrative, right? We watch a guy jump off the roof and then we, we supposedly find this rifle. So if you can have a guy that's in the audience that's yelling, "I shot him, now shoot me, I shot him, now shoot me," and then that guy gets arrested for child porn charges, like what is, what is going on here? And then you find this rifle and then you say, "Oh, he assembled it and he reassembled it," like, okay.

• 43:43Joe Rogan?

  I wish I was a cop. I'd sit in a room like, this story is horseshit. Like, none of these, none of these things make any sense to me. Like, you're telling me that this kid, who's not military trained, this guy, first of all, how did he get to the roof? How come nobody was looking? How come nobody was like, there's a direct line of sight between where he's sitting and those roofs? You guys didn't check? You don't have a drone? Like, that's insane. So, he's on the roof, he shoots, he jumps from the roof. He jumps down 14 feet.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, we saw they had, didn't they have video of him jump? Somebody had a cellphone video of him jumping down.

• 44:17Joe Rogan?

  There's a video of him jumping. So this guy, whoever it is, jumps off of the roof and lands, whether or not he's even the guy who shot him. Maybe he thought he was gonna shoot him. Maybe he's a patsy, maybe he did it.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  I feel like he's a plant. Did you see the video?

• 44:29Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 44:30Speaker 02

  Did you see the person doing the investigating on his mom's Facebook?

• 44:33Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 44:33Speaker 02

  You haven't seen this? Have you seen that, Jamie? Some dude online is-

• 44:36Joe Rogan?

  His mom's got a weird Facebook, I spill coffee.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  It's very trippy. It doesn't make any sense. Like, the more they keep looking into it, the more they're like, this doesn't feel like a real, it feels super fabricated.

• 44:47Joe Rogan?

  But here's the thing, just like I was talking about when people are arguing on social media, it's all part of the plan. If you want things to be-

• 44:55Speaker 02

  Oh, I wanted it so bad, buckets, so, buckets.

• 44:58Joe Rogan?

  If, if you want people to, to lose all faith that anyone is gonna solve anything. You add a bunch, if you're gonna kill a guy, you add a bunch of other wacky shit that doesn't make any sense and you spam it out there at the same time. You leave a gun that didn't do it, out in the woods. You do a bunch of shit like that.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  You have an old man put his dick out and yell, "I did it, I did it, I did it."

• 45:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you get some kid who, uh, has a boyfriend who's a furry, and you, uh-

• 45:27Speaker 02

  His boyfriend is a furry?

• 45:29Joe Rogan?

  Discord, I think he's a furry. I don't wanna disrespect.

• 45:31Speaker 02

  I don't know if that's a real thing.

• 45:33Joe Rogan?

  His boyfriend's definitely a guy who became a girl.

• 45:36Speaker 02

  And wears furry stuff.

• 45:37Joe Rogan?

  I think they do furry sex, they, I think, or furry games, excuse me, my apologies. I don't want to disrespect the furry sex.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  Shout out to the furry community, yeah.

• 45:46Joe Rogan?

  Bro, shout out to the furries, because me and Duncan Trussell, we did a podcast once with the mascot outfits.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:51Joe Rogan?

  And we took the masks off after like five minutes, we're like, bro, shout out to the furries. Like, this is fucking hard.

• 45:57Speaker 02

  Tough, yeah.

• 45:57Joe Rogan?

  It's tough.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  Sweating.

• 45:59Joe Rogan?

  You have this big chipmunk head on all day, they're heavy.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:02Joe Rogan?

  You're hot in there, we couldn't breathe, like, oh dude. We took it off and we're like, shout out to the furries. Because these guys are out there rocking that all day long. Like, that is a commitment to being weird.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  I don't, I just don't know, I just don't, something doesn't add up about that kid.

• 46:17Joe Rogan?

  Something doesn't add up.

• 46:18Speaker 02

  It feels weird.

• 46:19Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing feels weird.

• 46:20Speaker 02

  Between that, this was my story, between that, nine eleven, Charlie Kirk, Kimmel.

• 46:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  I was on the phone with my agent, I was like, good time for me to put out a fucking special. This is like the fucking worst tune, like the worst week.

• 46:36Joe Rogan?

  It's not, though, it's a good time, because people want to get away.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  It's just so stupid to think, though, that I was like, oh, this is, but this is the world we live in. If someone is, I said, if you're waiting for a gap for like a good time.

• 46:46Joe Rogan?

  It is no good.

• 46:47Speaker 02

  It doesn't exist.

• 46:47Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't exist.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  You just have to just, you just have to keep going, because this is insane.

• 46:51Joe Rogan?

  That way of thinking that there's a gap, like there's a season, this is summer, springtime, it's pilot season.

• 46:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:57Joe Rogan?

  All that shit's gone.

• 46:58Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:58Joe Rogan?

  Pilot season doesn't exist anymore. That was the fucking, everybody would structure their year around pilot season.

• 47:05Speaker 02

  Going back to LA, yeah.

• 47:06Joe Rogan?

  Yes, it was huge, all my friends from New York would all come out to LA, it was a great time at the store. Pilot season, look, everybody's here.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  I did love that.

• 47:13Joe Rogan?

  It was great.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  People came from New York and they'd stay for a month and you're like, oh, I see these guys, yeah, yeah, it was nice.

• 47:18Joe Rogan?

  It was great, pilot season was great. It doesn't exist anymore.

• 47:21Speaker 02

  Well, can't, right?

• 47:21Joe Rogan?

  You can't, there's no shows.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  Right, and it doesn't matter anymore now, because what Apple's investment has done, what Netflix has done, what all these streaming services have done.

• 47:30Joe Rogan?

  What YouTube has done.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  YouTube, they've basically been like, well, we'll just dictate how the shows exist.

• 47:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, they didn't even say that, they just put out content that you can get instantaneously.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:40Joe Rogan?

  And they just put out so much of it that they drowned the other people without even talking about them.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:45Joe Rogan?

  They didn't even have to bring them up.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  Well, that's why those numbers, I mean, you know, that's why the numbers for, for TV is so weird and low, because young people are like, well, I'll just watch it on my phone.

• 47:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 47:55Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna, I don't want to watch that.

• 47:56Joe Rogan?

  So going back to this Jimmy Kimmel thing, there's a lot going on with this.

• 48:00Speaker 02

  Do you know him by the way, or no?

• 48:01Joe Rogan?

  Yes, he's a good guy. Jimmy's a good guy. He's a smart guy. He's a funny guy. He was always very funny on when, when, you know, he did that fucking Windy City Heat thing.

• 48:10Speaker 02

  I love that. Such a good movie?

• 48:13Joe Rogan?

  I think he tried to distance himself from that.

• 48:16Speaker 02

  Oh, big time.

• 48:17Joe Rogan?

  He's like very, very, very successful because it's a 25 year prank.

• 48:21Speaker 02

  What's his name, Perry Farrell?

• 48:23Joe Rogan?

  No, let's not mention him.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 48:25Joe Rogan?

  Let's, cause.

• 48:26Speaker 02

  I know, I know.

• 48:27Joe Rogan?

  Let's just have people go find it, Windy City Heat. But you see that and you go, oh, that's the same guy? Like, yeah. Well, so one thing that does happen to guys as they get older is, um, you know, they soften their ways and they change who they are and they change how they interface with the world and, you know, and then if you're in Hollywood, you're also addicted to an ideology. And it depends on what kind of style you have. So if you have a, a, a funny mocking style that is like satirical, that's always making fun of things tongue in cheek, like Norm MacDonald, perfect example. Norm MacDonald, even if he's making fun of you, is not gonna piss you off to the point where you tweet about him.

• 49:10Joe Rogan?

  Because if you do, he kinda won. He kinda gotcha. You know what I mean? So it's like Kimmel has this sort of, uh, go fuck yourself style. Well, cause it's kinda ironically, he celebrated in his monologue when Tucker Carlson got fired.

• 49:29Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of a problem.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:30Joe Rogan?

  It's also kind of a problem that he, in his monologue, talked about how it was the right thing to fire Roseanne.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember that, yeah.

• 49:38Joe Rogan?

  Little bit of a problem.

• 49:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:39Joe Rogan?

  Little bit of a problem. Also a problem that he thought the unvaccinated, he made a joke about the unvaccinated people shouldn't get hospital care if there's people who are vaccinated that need that room. Like, I think the joke was, oh, vaccinated person who's had a heart attack, come right in here, sir. Uh, unvaxxed person who gobbled horse goo, rest in peace, Wheezy. Like, that was the joke.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 50:04Joe Rogan?

  Look, I'm unvaccinated. And I was like, that's kind of a fucked up joke, but I'm not mad at him.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  No, it's a joke.

• 50:10Joe Rogan?

  It's just a joke.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  It's a joke.

• 50:11Joe Rogan?

  But it's like. Those things weren't a problem. This one thing where he said it was a low point. What did he say? I don't, I wanna be real clear. Let's, let's like pull up his actual quote. Because what he said was not bad. It wasn't accurate though, but it wasn't bad. He was just trying to set up this joke of Trump. Which was good.

• 50:35Speaker 02

  It was a great joke.

• 50:35Joe Rogan?

  It was very funny.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  But the setup was a little wonky. I do remember listening to it.

• 50:38Joe Rogan?

  It's like, uh.

• 50:41Joe Rogan?

  It's, the problem with doing it that way on Monday. Is that by Sunday night, they already knew that this guy, his family had been saying that. Again, I don't even know if he really did it. But this person who they're talking about.

• 50:55Speaker 02

  Who they, the plant.

• 50:56Joe Rogan?

  This person who they're talking about, whether or not he did it or didn't do it, well. The FBI is now investigating deeply and further, by the way.

• 51:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, we'll find out.

• 51:02Joe Rogan?

  So Cash Patel did say that. Um, whatever that means, right? But. So here it is what he actually says.

• 51:12Joe Rogan?

  Here's the actual.

• 51:13Speaker 05

  He hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize. This kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can. To score political points from it. In between the finger pointing.

• 51:27Joe Rogan?

  Okay, stop right there.

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was, it's a weird phrasing when he goes, they're trying to pin it as anybody but them.

• 51:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:33Speaker 02

  Asserting that he was a MAGA.

• 51:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the thing. In the beginning, people thought he was. So the first reports were that he was a hardcore right wing guy. Uh, that he was a registered Republican, which he may or may not be. Sometimes people go back and forth, you know? Um, and then the other thing was that he was a griper. So he was a Nick Fuentes fan. That was some other stuff that was going around.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  What's gri, what's griper?

• 51:56Joe Rogan?

  We'll get into that in a bit. Hold please.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:58Joe Rogan?

  Um, then it came out that, no, his father is a law enforcement guy?

• 52:06Joe Rogan?

  That's not true?

• 52:07Speaker 00

  I think that's what, that was part of the story, but I think later found out that wasn't true also.

• 52:11Joe Rogan?

  Um, so.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  What's true?

• 52:13Joe Rogan?

  Family, some family members, by Sunday, the Utah governor was saying that family members were reporting that this young man had been wrapped up in some very hardcore leftist ideology. So this had already been released on Sunday. So on Monday, if Kimmel had just said, you know, it was a tragic thing that Charlie Kirk died. Uh, and, uh, let's see if the president thinks about it. Goes right to him and like, what the, this is the fourth stage of grief.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  It's a great joke.

• 52:44Joe Rogan?

  It's a great joke. The whole thing was great. But it, the, the problem is, we had already known by then, again, at least the, the narrative is that this kid is not a, a, a, a MAGA person.

• 52:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 52:59Joe Rogan?

  The narrative by Sunday night, so a day before, by Sunday night, it was, this kid was really wrapped up in some hardcore leftist Antifa ideologies. Listen, here's the other reality. If you're 20, you're dumb as shit. And people can get you to be a Nazi. They can, they can get you to be, be a Muslim. They can get you to be Mormon. They can get you to be a Scientologist. They can get you to be anything. When, when people are young and they don't have any friends and their parents suck, you can indoctrinate them.

• 53:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:32Joe Rogan?

  You know? When I was doing martial arts when I was a kid, I was basically in a cult. I was just in a cult of how to fuck people up. Everybody bowed to everybody was bananas. You have to call everyone sir and mister. It's kind of very cult-like. It's very disciplined. It creates a great structure. It was good for me growing up. But at the end of the day, it's kind of a cult-like. We're just lucky they didn't take advantage of us.

• 53:52Speaker 02

  Right. They didn't, they make you stay after and do other shit.

• 53:55Joe Rogan?

  20-year-olds are dumb, dude.

• 53:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 53:57Joe Rogan?

  It's like, we have to have a little bit more grace for people, like, across the, not for, obviously not for ones who actually shoot Charlie Kirk, but. The problem is everybody, because they're online all the time, genuinely believes that there's this crazy culture war that we have to stand up and fight against. I was telling you about that guy that was saying that you have to be like Neo from The Matrix now, you're calling like, will you fucking settle down?

• 54:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, slow down dude.

• 54:19Joe Rogan?

  Settle down.

• 54:20Speaker 02

  Just get your matcha and chill out.

• 54:21Joe Rogan?

  Also, it's like, the last thing the left wants is an actual fight with the right. They are so much more armed.

• 54:29Speaker 02

  I was just gonna say, who do you think has all the guns?

• 54:31Joe Rogan?

  Who do you think is former military?

• 54:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, who's got all the guns?

• 54:35Joe Rogan?

  Who do you think is law enfor- you think there's a lot of lefty law enforcement people out there? Are you fucking crazy?

• 54:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a bad, it's a bad, but this is the thing, I think, well, you said, the bot farming, that they're plotting really hard for us to hate each other as much as we possibly can.

• 54:48Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 54:49Speaker 02

  And so, but what is the-

• 54:50Joe Rogan?

  You can't give into it.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  What's the overarching thing? That's the-

• 54:53Joe Rogan?

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• 56:50Joe Rogan?

  That's a big part of it. You can't, you can't let that happen, folks. You can't let that happen. And this is something that I've been saying for a long time. Pretend I didn't say it. Pretend somebody else said it, if you don't like me.

• 57:00Speaker 03

  If you don't like me.

• 57:01Joe Rogan?

  We have to be a community. This is the United States of America. We're supposed to be a country. Like, we can have differences of opinions. Like, when we're in the mothership green room, I, my politics are so different than Ron White's. And Ron White's are so different than Brian Simpson's and Hassan's somewhere in the middle. His is different and Tony's, Tony's Tony, he's got his, like,

• 57:22Speaker 03

  Tony's Tony.

• 57:23Joe Rogan?

  We're all sitting here having conversations about things, but we're never like, hey, fuck you. You fucking fascist, you don't know shit. Like, we're not calling people names. We'll disagree on what happens if you, like, I think you need a social safety net. There's a lot of people who don't think that. But when I was a kid, my family was on welfare. We were poor. Like, it helps you. It helps people eat, man. Like, this, this is, you're talking literally about people that could go hungry in the United States of America, which is step one to fix.

• 57:50Speaker 03

  Right.

• 57:51Joe Rogan?

  Like, it doesn't mean that you're gonna divide everybody's money amongst everybody else and it's gonna be con- No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You gotta have some social safety net. You have to have food, you have to have housing, you should have education. All of it should be free. College level education. Why the fuck do you go broke getting educated? Do we not want people to make, if we're gonna subsidize anything in this country, wouldn't we subsidize education? No, we're gonna subsidize corn. We need more corn syrup. We need more people getting fat and stupid. It's crazy that there's pushback against that. It doesn't mean that you think equal outcomes should exist. No. Hard work is real. Discipline is real. It's important. You want to have a good life? You gotta go after something.

• 58:33Joe Rogan?

  You don't have a quality of outcome because you don't have a quality of effort. It's that simple. It really is.

• 58:40Speaker 02

  And some people need a little extra help. I think the more... And look, and this is me saying something about you, knowing you as long as I've known you. The... You're someone that's very generous and you've always been very generous. And you kind of instilled that in the community. So a lot of people learn through you. They're like, "Hey, man, if you get more, you should probably want to give a little bit more."

• 58:58Joe Rogan?

  You should give more because it feels nice and it doesn't feel bad to you at all.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 59:03Joe Rogan?

  At all.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  And it doesn't affect you. You said that one time. I don't know who was saying that. You were like, "What do you leave for a tip?" And someone said something, whatever the number was. "I'm not gonna call." And then you go, "Why? That's nothing." If you left a little bit more, you wouldn't even know the difference. You said, "Leave that." You won't even know the difference. And they're like, "Well, I don't..." And you're like, "You won't even know it's gone." Because you're doing well. Someone else you can lift up just a little bit more.

• 59:22Joe Rogan?

  You give them a love bomb.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude. It's just a little... It's a love bomb. Give them a little bit more.

• 59:26Joe Rogan?

  I love tipping. Because when you... Like, if I'm in Europe, it kind of bums me out because nobody wants tips.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  And they look at you so crazy.

• 59:34Joe Rogan?

  It's a weird system. Because this system is flawed as it is because I do think that people should be paid a living wage. I don't think you should have to rely on the benef... The generosity of other people that you're serving. That's kind of crazy, too.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:50Joe Rogan?

  Because not everybody is like me. A lot of people are fucking really stingy, man. I know some people that really suck at tipping. It's gross.

• 59:56Speaker 02

  Call them out. Here we go. Here's the list.

• 59:58Joe Rogan?

  Let's not do it. But the point is, it's like, when you do... If you can do it, like, if you can live... If you're supposed to leave 10 bucks and you leave 100. Like, you know how good that feels to that person?

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:10Joe Rogan?

  They just like, "You gave them a little love bomb." And if you've got some money in the bank, do you know that $100 is missing? No, you don't know it. You have no idea.

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:00:18Joe Rogan?

  Drop a Hyundai in that fucking Starbucks bowl. Who gives a shit? Let's move on. We're going to the airport.

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  There's a lot of people listening that's like, "I'm not doing that."

• 1:00:27Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to do that. But whatever you can do that doesn't affect you. Look, if you're getting by and you're struggling, I get it, man. I'm... But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about, once you're not, giving people a little is good. It feels good. It's nice.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  And I think that carries through. I think people start to see it as a cool thing to do.

• 1:00:45Joe Rogan?

  It's a nice thing to do. Being nice is cool. And it's, the other thing is, it's like, you don't realize how much it benefits you. Like, it makes you feel good, too.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:55Joe Rogan?

  It makes you feel good.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  Oh, I love it. It's a universal thing. It like feeds, it feeds, yeah.

• 1:01:00Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  I'm gonna say this one thing about the Kimmel thing, and then I'm done. Because I didn't finish kind of my thought before, but I like Jimmy. I texted him, just to check in with him, because I, I've always liked him. He's always been pretty cool to me. Also, my buddy was like, "How crazy. You're like one of the last guests on Kimmel. I did it like a week before he got dropped." I was like, "Oh, that'll be cool. That'll fucking end, end my career of late night with his canceled show." But I, I like to do it a lot. And I think my beef with that world is, I think they got so political and they had to ground themselves in it so much, that it took away from how fun those shows could be.

• 1:01:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  So, that's my biggest problem with all of them. And it's not necessarily Jimmy's fault. It's not any of their, Colbert. It's kind of, that's just the system that started to take place.

• 1:01:43Joe Rogan?

  It's everybody's fault. It's the president's fault, too. Because he's doing it back and forth with them.

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  Eggs them on, yeah.

• 1:01:48Joe Rogan?

  But meanwhile, he got together in that dinner with Bill Maher, who's been talking shit about him for decades. And apparently, Bill Maher liked him.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think I saw that, yeah.

• 1:01:55Joe Rogan?

  Do you know how crazy that is? That what works at the Comedy Store also works at the White House? Just talk to him.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  Talk to him.

• 1:02:02Joe Rogan?

  Like, how many times do you have a little beef with a comedian? You get in front of him, and you have a conversation with him, and then 20 minutes later, Marc Maron? 20 minutes later, you're hugging each other?

• 1:02:11Joe Rogan?

  Right, because most people in person are cool. But you get lost in whatever the fuck is in your head. You're arguing with yourself. And with Trump, it's all about disrespect. You know, if he feels disrespect, if he could turn those guys all into fans of his, we might save the world from a war. And I'm not kidding. And it's like, whoa, a person like that shouldn't be president. You're right, but also no one should be president because everybody has a little of that guy in them, which is what drives you the most nuts. Everybody has a little of that fuck you. Even though I'm a president, I'm gonna call some girl I slept with horse face. I'm gonna call Kim Jong-un Rocket Man.

• 1:02:51Joe Rogan?

  Little Rocket Man. There's, no one should do that fucking job, understand it's crazy. It's as crazy as wanting to be on late night TV. It's antiquated. It doesn't make any sense anymore. It was a good job when there was like a hundred and fifty different fucking cities. And it was like, you know, a million people in the whole country and you can kind of like keep it together. We're at three hundred and thirty plus. Who knows how many people snuck in during the last four years? How many terrorist cells and every fucking thing's ready to spring to trick you into adopting some sort of a digital ID?

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:27Joe Rogan?

  It's wild. At the same time, they're making so much AI that they're not even gonna be able to power it. The grid's not gonna be able to handle it. If we're gonna really compete in the AI race, we have to substantially improve the power grid and power output.

• 1:03:42Speaker 02

  How do we do that? The fuck knows?

• 1:03:45Joe Rogan?

  You're asking the wrong guy. But I know I read, Brian Simpson sent me this today. I'll send it to you, Jamie. But I was looking at this, I was like, Jesus Christ, this is one of those things where you're like, every time I started to think, well, well, if we take care of all, oh, this too? This too?

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  I saw this thing, Japan has these kinetic energy sidewalks and it's uh, because of the foot traffic and so that kinetic energy transfers into stored energy.

• 1:04:10Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna need nuclear dude and we're gonna need a lot of it. There's a, they're doing a uh, a Google AI. And this Google AI, they're connecting to the construction of three different nuclear power plants.

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  Three.

• 1:04:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:28Speaker 02

  It's big, big, big.

• 1:04:28Joe Rogan?

  You have to power the new god, Santino. You gotta power the new god. The new god requires a lot of electricity.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, god, he's hungry.

• 1:04:37Joe Rogan?

  Look at this.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  He needs energy.

• 1:04:39Joe Rogan?

  Wait, now, this may or may not be true, because this is someone whiz of, what is it? Whiz of Dow, whiz, whizofy, whizofy.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  Whiz, no, whiz of AI.

• 1:04:49Joe Rogan?

  Whiz of AI, oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, my god, I'm retarded. Is this AI, then? Um, it might be AI tricking us with a story about AI.

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  That White House tech meeting wasn't about AI. Apple, Nvidia, Meta came for one reason, to secure electricity before it runs out. The real agenda, a $500 billion electricity crisis that could shut down AI development. Here's what they're not telling you.

• 1:05:11Joe Rogan?

  Dun, dun, dun. Click on that.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  I love the Zuckerberg photo they put up there that they use.

• 1:05:17Joe Rogan?

  Uh, every major tech CEO at the summit shared the same fear. We don't have enough power for AI. Not enough to run trillion parameter models. Not enough to power hyperscale data centers. Not enough to meet the chip demand that doubles every nine months. Dude, doubles. The media spun it as historic pledges for AI innovation, but behind closed doors, the conversation was blunt. This might be just like this article they write about behind closed doors of the mothership. Behind closed doors of the mothership. They're handing out Nazi paraphernalia and Sieg Heil in each other. Most shocking deal so far, Microsoft just locked up all, in all caps, all of the Three Mile Island nuclear output.

• 1:05:57Joe Rogan?

  837 megawatts, 20-year contract, plant won't even restart until 2028. First of all, Three Mile Island is the place that melted down in, like, the 70s. Do you remember that?

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:10Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember Three Mile?

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, wow.

• 1:06:11Joe Rogan?

  Who wants that spot? Is that spot good?

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:14Joe Rogan?

  Is it good now? Like, you guys had a meltdown there just 30 years ago.

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  Right. How's that real estate?

• 1:06:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like, how many years ago was it? I think it was 50. Was it 50 years ago?

• 1:06:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just Googled on my phone, Doug, on an NPR article, it says, "Three Mile Island Nuclear Plant Will Reopen to Power Microsoft Data Centers."

• 1:06:29Joe Rogan?

  It's fine!

• 1:06:30Speaker 02

  Microsoft owns it now. Good.

• 1:06:31Joe Rogan?

  It's fine! Don't worry about it. We covered it in Bill Gates's appeal, that stuff that they put around avocados.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  What is that shit?

• 1:06:40Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. You tell me. It helps things stay fresh.

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  Stay fresh longer? Wait, go back to that other slide, though. What did that say? The last thing said, "Microsoft already owns every future electron it will produce." They pre-bought. We bought all that shit.

• 1:06:52Joe Rogan?

  They bought the whole power plant!

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  It's like a rapper.

• 1:06:54Joe Rogan?

  But this is the thing, I think you have to do that. This is just Microsoft's solution to it? Jamie, could you please, uh, Google, uh, Google what Google's AI is, uh, going to need? And the amount of, uh, power plants that it's dedicating to this AI thing that it's doing? And this is, again, not quantum. So quantum computing is a completely different level. You have to, you have to cool things down. The entire, it's like this enormous machine that's entire... The, the whole purpose of all this stuff and these tubes and shit is to get this chip so fucking cold, it's like it's in space. It has to be like space cold.

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  Why, why is it runs better? When it's freezing?

• 1:07:39Joe Rogan?

  It's the only way it works.

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:07:41Joe Rogan?

  I don't understand it.

• 1:07:42Speaker 02

  God, I hate that shit.

• 1:07:43Joe Rogan?

  Do you want to know how strong it is? Ready for this?

• 1:07:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:45Joe Rogan?

  This is what Marc Andreessen said. Quantum computing can take a, like, an equation, that, this is Marc Andreessen's words, that if you converted the entire universe, every atom in the entire universe into a supercomputer, the universe would die of heat death before it solved this equation. And the quantum computer solved it in minutes. In minutes. Like, in the time it takes you to take a shit while you're looking at Instagram. It figured out something that would take the entire universe until it dies of heat death. If you took every atom of the universe and converted it into a supercomputer,

• 1:08:26Joe Rogan?

  the biggest fucking supercomputer, it would still, it's so complex, that the universe would run out of time. And this quantum computer did it in minutes. And they're speculating like, how could it do it? And one of the main points of speculation is that it's proof of the multiverse. And so they're banned, you know, they have to explore every single possible idea. And one of the most fantastical is that this is evidence that not only is this quantum computer able to harness impossible amounts of computational power, but then it shares it with an infinite number of these quantum computers that are in other direction, or other dimensions, rather. And so they're all simultaneously working on this project together,

• 1:09:11Joe Rogan?

  and they come up with a solution within minutes.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  Ugh.

• 1:09:15Joe Rogan?

  So it's far more intelligent than the entire universe.

• 1:09:23Joe Rogan?

  If the universe was a supercomputer. And it's in a room somewhere in Dallas.

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  It's down the street.

• 1:09:30Joe Rogan?

  Jack Carr writes about it in one of his books, in the Terminalist books. And, you know, and he kind of really investigated extensively whether or not this kind of thing is possible. It really is. It's not just possible, they're demonstrating. So what we know about it, like, as far as like, press releases, conversations about it, it's very public. But we don't know, like, what it's doing right now. What is it doing right now? You think they're gonna tell us? What is today, September 22nd? Is that what it is?

• 1:09:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:00Joe Rogan?

  September 22nd, 2025? Are they gonna tell us what it's doing right now? Maybe it's like, writing a new bible.

• 1:10:09Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's own bible.

• 1:10:10Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it's like, I'm coming back. Maybe it's God, like, this is how God comes back. Comes back through a supercomputer.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's a trip, dude.

• 1:10:19Joe Rogan?

  It's not just a trip, it's plausible.

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, it's probably happening right now.

• 1:10:23Joe Rogan?

  I know I've been hitting the head a bunch of times, and I smoke a lot of weed, I'm half retarded, but I might be right about this.

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  You might be right about this.

• 1:10:31Joe Rogan?

  I think we're making a god.

• 1:10:33Speaker 02

  We're creating a new god.

• 1:10:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're creating a new god.

• 1:10:35Speaker 02

  Or, or...

• 1:10:36Joe Rogan?

  And that's why these fucking arguments that people are having about Jimmy Kimmel are so fucking stupid. You're in the middle of one of the craziest things that's ever happened to the human race, and you've got a feud between the president and a talk show host.

• 1:10:52Joe Rogan?

  And the talk show hosts, that like, he's getting, we don't, here's the thing about this whole deal that's going on, because we started talking about it, but we don't know if it affect, we don't know if there was a conversation where someone said, "Hey, if you get rid of this guy, I'll help this thing get across," because the deal, it looks like the deal was you, it was like a, a thing where you could only have certain amount of stations, otherwise you'd have some sort of a monopoly, and they're gonna change the rules, is that correct?

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  Because Star, what's the name of the company again, Star?

• 1:11:26Speaker 00

  Next Star.

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  Next Star?

• 1:11:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was FCC, I think it's an FCC rule, either way, it's a rule that the FCC had talked about changing, that you can't have over X, like 34% control.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  They were, they were gonna have the conversation to start it, to see if this was possible, to let you have more than a certain percentage.

• 1:11:41Joe Rogan?

  And this is for TV stations, right?

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, because they, they own 192, is that, that's the number, it's something fucking insane.

• 1:11:49Joe Rogan?

  This motherfucker's out here buying AM radio stations, okay? If I was, if I was Nancy Pelosi, I'd start betting against him, like, "What are you, you're going into TV today?"

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  Today.

• 1:12:00Joe Rogan?

  And you're, you're going into TV and to get your deal to go through, you're going to expose the flaws of being on TV publicly to the world, where you're gonna get a guy removed to help your deal grease through. You're literally gonna poison your own business, because people are gonna start questioning, how does, why do you not, why do you need a license? Why does the FCC, like, this is what you're really concerned about?

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:24Joe Rogan?

  Like, who, is there some, can I see some emails? Was, did you guys have dinner together? Like, can I see some fucking metadata of where the cellphones were three days before this decision was reached? So it's, you don't know, and then you've got Jimmy Kimmel, who's like, a feisty dude, and he's like, "Hey, fuck you." And if you're the guy who could say, "Hey, fuck you," to the president... He apparently didn't want to back down. And not only did he not want to back down, and he kinda ramped it up. And so on Tuesday, he went at him again.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:58Joe Rogan?

  And he kinda talked about it, and then they pulled the plug on it. So like, there's a lot of factors there. You could say that maybe they thought that in this incredibly trying time after the murder of a political guy who is very controversial. Like, maybe we should take the temperature down a notch as a country, you know?

• 1:13:16Speaker 02

  But you just said it, they exposed themselves, though. By doing that, now you opened up a weird Pandora's box of people going-

• 1:13:21Joe Rogan?

  They didn't play it out. They didn't play it out. You have to play 4D chess with that shit, because like, you have a- If I was working for them, I would say, "Hold on. You have a very, very vulnerable business. This business is kind of nonsense." Anybody can, anybody can make a channel and just throw it up on YouTube. Anybody can make a website on Squarespace and stream video. Like, what are you doing?

• 1:13:45Speaker 02

  And we're doing it, they're happening right now more and more and more.

• 1:13:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:48Speaker 02

  And also the numbers were, they started exposing the numbers.

• 1:13:50Speaker 00

  It's also to do with the, it's because it's the radio spectrum and that has to stay up for like, emergency purposes. There's like, it gets way into the weeds with this.

• 1:13:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, that makes sense, too.

• 1:14:00Speaker 00

  That's why, so like-

• 1:14:01Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:14:01Speaker 00

  The power went out, YouTube would be gone.

• 1:14:03Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:14:03Speaker 00

  But that would still exist.

• 1:14:04Joe Rogan?

  That's interesting. Well, so you need some kind of a way to get signals across, but guess what, kids? If the power goes out, that's your last concern.

• 1:14:12Speaker 02

  See you later.

• 1:14:13Joe Rogan?

  The last concern is how many bullets does Bobby have? Can I borrow some bullets from Bobby? We gotta go shoot squirrels to stay alive. There's no more squirrels, we shot all the squirrels. We have to move to where the animals live. Because you think you live around animals, but you live around a relative number of animals for an urban or suburban environment. Once people start shooting the pigeons, they go away real quick.

• 1:14:38Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:14:39Joe Rogan?

  The passenger pigeon used to be one of the most populated birds on this country. And they're extinct now. The passenger pigeons were so numerous, they would fly overhead, they would block out the sky. You wouldn't be able to see. Yeah, there was millions and millions of them. Like a cloud. A cloud of passenger pigeons that would fly over cities and just block out the sky.

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  Died out because of food, because of what?

• 1:15:02Joe Rogan?

  We killed them.

• 1:15:03Speaker 02

  We killed them all.

• 1:15:04Joe Rogan?

  We killed them all.

• 1:15:05Speaker 02

  Killed them all.

• 1:15:06Joe Rogan?

  We killed them all, probably caught them with nets. I don't know what we did.

• 1:15:09Speaker 02

  Throwing nets in the sky.

• 1:15:10Joe Rogan?

  But we killed them, yeah. So it's like- The animals that we have around us, like if you say, "Oh, I live in the suburbs, I'm fine." No, no, no, no, no. No, you're fine for a week. You're gonna be shooting deer out there for a week, like, no. They're gonna go away, you're not gonna have any more deer. You're gonna have to live way away from people where there's a good population of animals, a sustainable population. And then they might figure out that that's where you live, and they might not visit that spot anymore. And they could realize they could just go 30 miles left, which is, you know, what evolution's all about. And then you gotta realize like, "Oh, that's why the Native Americans were nomadic." Fuck, so this beautiful log cabin you built, you gotta leave it behind. And you gotta go chase around these fucking mule deers, because it's the only way you're gonna stay alive.

• 1:15:55Joe Rogan?

  And you gotta sleep on the dirt with some stupid rolled up mattress that you carry around on your back. Yeah, that's what you have to do, that's how you have to live.

• 1:16:04Speaker 02

  Right, on the go.

• 1:16:05Joe Rogan?

  And if you don't do that, you'll die. That's it. So, all this nonsense about the FCC, you can suck my dick. That is such a small problem. It's such a small problem, but, yeah, man, I'm not in favor of silencing talk show hosts. It's just, but also as a talk show host, you should be accurate. You know, and again, I don't know if the narrative that the governor of Utah was saying is correct. I don't know if that's even the kid that did it. Things change, man. Like, people for the longest time thought Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, because the government told you that.

• 1:16:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:16:44Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't until Dick Gregory came on the Geraldo Rivera Show that people started to question that. And that was...

• 1:16:52Joe Rogan?

  How many years later was it?

• 1:16:55Joe Rogan?

  No, I think it was like, eight.

• 1:16:59Joe Rogan?

  Let's see, it was 63... It might have been nine. It might have been like nine years later. Seventy-five. Seventy-five!

• 1:17:08Speaker 05

  12.

• 1:17:09Joe Rogan?

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• 1:19:12Speaker 05

  Years after the murder.

• 1:19:14Joe Rogan?

  Finally.

• 1:19:15Speaker 05

  Crazy. So.

• 1:19:17Joe Rogan?

  Twelve years after the murder, people watched the Pruder film and in this Pruder film, you clearly see him grab his neck like he got shot from the front. And then you see his head go back into the left when he gets hit with a headshot. Back into the left. So that alone made everybody go, hold the fuck on. Yeah. And then they started looking into the conspiracy around the bullet. So they had, they had said that there was three shots had rung out. And that he had hit Governor Connally, he had, and the, the president had been hit twice. The problem with that narrative was there was an underpass and a ricochet from the underpass where a bullet hit one of those little curbstones and hit a dude and fucked him up and he had to go to the hospital.

• 1:20:00Joe Rogan?

  They documented that it became on, on record that this guy was hit with a ricochet. And so now you got a problem because you have two bullets that have to have all these wounds. Hmm. One of them is going to be the headshot and then you got this other one that causes three fucking holes in two different people. It's a lot of ricocheting dude. A lot of, a lot of work for one bullet. You've got to find the bullet in perfect condition on the gurney where they're bringing Lee Harvey Oswald's body in, which doesn't make any sense. Like, how is it even there? Oh, he just happened to go collect it after he shot him in the head and then he put it in his pocket and then he just, and then they killed him, they dropped it off. Like, what are you talking about? It doesn't make any sense. Doesn't make sense. Oh, excuse me, it was Connally's body. That's what it was. It was in the gurney for Connally's body.

• 1:20:45Joe Rogan?

  But either way, like, shut the fuck up. How's that bullet getting on the gurney? And how's it imperfect, it just fell out of him? Oh, look, guys. Oh, it's right there. Look, and it looks like it's been shot through pillows. Have you ever seen the magic bullet? Uh-uh. Take a look at it, Jamie. Show this motherfucker what, how the government was lying to people in 1963. But then if you could call them out, they go, okay, fine, whatever. They don't, no one cares because nothing happened. It's 2025. I'll show you some shit in 1963 that's 100% bullshit. Yeah. 100% bullshit. Even when they admit it though, right? What is this, didn't we just have a military plane shoot a UFO, right? Didn't we just have this? Yes, yes, with a Hellfire missile. It's so fu- it bounced right off. It bounced off of it. Why are we shooting UFOs? So look at that, that's the bullet. Oh, wow. That's the bullet that supposedly. Carved out of wood?

• 1:21:30Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's a perfect bullet. It's so dumb. And I've had arguments with people, well, it's actually not, it's misshapen. I'm like, how many bullets have you shot, bitch? How many fucking things have you shot with a bullet and taken a look at it? I bet I've shot a lot more than you. And I'll tell you what, when bullets hit things, they distort.

• 1:21:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, they don't look like that.

• 1:21:48Joe Rogan?

  They don't look like that. They definitely don't leave more fragments in Governor Connally's body than were missing from the actual bullet itself.

• 1:21:57Speaker 02

  That, that, the idea of that ricochet moving through.

• 1:22:00Joe Rogan?

  Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. But bullets do do weird things.

• 1:22:05Speaker 02

  They do, but that is insane.

• 1:22:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's kooky.

• 1:22:08Speaker 02

  It's taking a left turn.

• 1:22:09Joe Rogan?

  The only reason why they had to come up with that kooky reason is because of the guy in the underpass. Because in the time it took for the limousine to pass through, and have you ever been in that area?

• 1:22:20Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:22:20Joe Rogan?

  It's cool. Dealey Plaza's weird.

• 1:22:22Speaker 02

  It's wild.

• 1:22:23Joe Rogan?

  You're there, you're like, whoa, and it's little.

• 1:22:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's tinier than you think. On TV, it looked so big when you saw the footage of it.

• 1:22:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:30Speaker 02

  And then when you see, uh, the distance too, that was the first thing I said.

• 1:22:34Joe Rogan?

  Easy.

• 1:22:34Speaker 02

  Chris O'Connor, I go.

• 1:22:35Joe Rogan?

  Easy shot.

• 1:22:36Speaker 02

  It's an easy shot.

• 1:22:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, people that's saying, oh, he could have never made that shot. Yeah, you could.

• 1:22:40Speaker 02

  That wasn't that far at all.

• 1:22:41Joe Rogan?

  Anybody saying that you couldn't make that shot, I could get my friend Andy, my friend Andy works with you for a week, you can make that shot. 100%. 100%.

• 1:22:49Speaker 02

  It wasn't as far as.

• 1:22:50Joe Rogan?

  You skeptics.

• 1:22:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:51Joe Rogan?

  It's not that hard.

• 1:22:52Speaker 02

  No, it wasn't far.

• 1:22:53Joe Rogan?

  I can make that shot. Easy.

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  But it's a tr- it's a, it is really condensed how quick you get to that turn. Like, it's faster than it's.

• 1:23:00Joe Rogan?

  It's faster, but the, the car's not going fast.

• 1:23:02Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:23:03Joe Rogan?

  And he's got a scope on the rifle. And he's got a rifle that was substantially newer than the one that this guy just killed Charlie Kirk with, allegedly.

• 1:23:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, because that was a World War I, is that what they say?

• 1:23:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:12Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:23:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, that, I think, well, they, his was a Carcano, right? Is that what it was? The Lee Harvey Oswald one? And this one supposedly is a Mauser. Is it the same? That might be the same thing.

• 1:23:28Speaker 02

  There it is.

• 1:23:28Joe Rogan?

  Is it the same gun?

• 1:23:30Speaker 02

  I don't look like the same gun.

• 1:23:31Joe Rogan?

  No, but that's just a different stock and so what was the name of the gun that Lee Harvey Oswald supposedly shot JFK with? This is the other thing, the Lee Harvey Oswald thing, this is the one of the things that the doubters of whether or not he could make that shot always say. Like, the scope was off. A Carcano, okay, it's Carcano. And then this kid, it was a Mauser, correct? Alright, so it's a different rifle. But the point is, like, the Mauser that this kid had is substantially older than the rifle that in 1963 shot JFK. That's kinda kooky. When a good hunting rifle, first of all, everybody's uncle has one, so like, how many?

• 1:24:14Speaker 02

  At least one.

• 1:24:15Joe Rogan?

  There's so many hunting rifles out there, you can get a hunting rifle. It's not a hard rifle to get, it's one of the most common rifles that people possess because there's a lot of people that, you know, they don't want to go to the range, but they do go deer hunting every couple of years, so they have a .3006. That's a regular, normal deer hunting round.

• 1:24:33Speaker 02

  Maybe one of the most common, huh? You see those all the time.

• 1:24:35Joe Rogan?

  Very, super common. If you get meathead-y, you get to like 300 wind mag, you start picking up the pace, yeah.

• 1:24:41Speaker 02

  Then you start, yeah, you start jogging a little bit.

• 1:24:43Joe Rogan?

  Moose hunters, moose hunters want a heavier round.

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  Big.

• 1:24:47Joe Rogan?

  They want a big round. Moose hunters like a 300 wind mag.

• 1:24:49Speaker 02

  You shoot moose?

• 1:24:50Joe Rogan?

  I have, I shot a moose.

• 1:24:52Speaker 02

  Yeah? How much did they weigh?

• 1:24:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it was a big fucker. I'm on the cover of Hunt magazine of Peterson's Hunting from like 2017 or something like that, with a moose leg over my shoulder from a moose we shot.

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  That's a good, when you said that, that's a good title for the magazine, it's a big fucker.

• 1:25:11Joe Rogan?

  It's big.

• 1:25:11Speaker 02

  It's a big fucker.

• 1:25:12Joe Rogan?

  And it wasn't even a big moose. I saw a huge moose last week in Utah. God, he was majestic. We were looking at him through our binos. He was so big. Like, moose are so much bigger than any of the other deer species, like elk are huge.

• 1:25:28Speaker 02

  Elk are big, yeah.

• 1:25:29Joe Rogan?

  And then deer, so it goes like, it's weird because there's deer species that are teeny tiny deers. Like, there's a thing called the Kuz deer that is in Arizona, and it's a little tiny deer. It's like a 90-pound deer, a little tiny fucker.

• 1:25:42Speaker 02

  Never seen it.

• 1:25:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a desert deer. And then like, as you get to colder and colder weather, you get bigger and bigger animals. There's some sort of a weird... There's actual science to it, it's like to keep their body temperature higher, like so deer that live in Mexico are generally smaller bodied than a deer who lives in like Saskatchewan.

• 1:26:00Speaker 02

  Uh.

• 1:26:00Joe Rogan?

  Like the deer get big up there. And then you get where it's really cold, you start getting moose. And those motherfuckers are big.

• 1:26:08Speaker 02

  I saw one in Banff, I couldn't fuck him, I didn't, I was like, it almost didn't compute, I thought, man, that looks fake, it looks fake, it's so fucking big.

• 1:26:15Joe Rogan?

  There's a video of these people driving on the highway and the moose is on the median, have you ever seen that?

• 1:26:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:20Joe Rogan?

  Not the one where it gets hit.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  No, we've watched that, one of the first times I did the show, we watched that fucking thing, it makes me laugh every time.

• 1:26:26Joe Rogan?

  No, this is a recent one that someone posted, because he was a massive bull moose, and he's walking along the median. By the way, if you're ever in the wild, and you see a deer, don't worry about it. If you see an elk, eh, don't get close, but don't worry about it. If you see a moose, run.

• 1:26:44Speaker 02

  You're fucked.

• 1:26:45Joe Rogan?

  Run. They might come for you. They might come get you. You get out of your car, and you're like 20 yards from your car, and there's a moose 200 yards away, and he sees you and you see him, get back in your fucking car.

• 1:26:55Speaker 02

  Get out of there.

• 1:26:56Joe Rogan?

  Get back in your car. Because if they just decide to stomp you out, and they do that sometimes, they'll decide, they might have had some bad interactions with people. Some assholes might have thrown snowballs at them. They might associate people with being a problem. They might have been there when a hunter took down one of their buddies.

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  Mm-mm.

• 1:27:12Joe Rogan?

  Get out. That's the one deer that'll kill you. They'll stomp you.

• 1:27:15Speaker 02

  What a shitty way to die, too.

• 1:27:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's fucking gigantic, 1800 pound thing, just stomping you out.

• 1:27:24Speaker 02

  No, get out of there.

• 1:27:26Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, see if you can find that one where the giant moose is walking along the median.

• 1:27:31Joe Rogan?

  Bro, it's so nuts, because these people were in their car. No, it's on the highway. Maybe say, oh, that's pretty cool, though.

• 1:27:41Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ. Going to Tim Hortons.

• 1:27:43Joe Rogan?

  Bro, look at the size of that thing. Oh.

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  Just eating a tree.

• 1:27:48Joe Rogan?

  It's so huge.

• 1:27:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, look at the people by next to that car, look at the size difference of those people outside taking a picture by his car.

• 1:27:53Joe Rogan?

  By the way, those people are idiots.

• 1:27:55Speaker 02

  Look at that woman.

• 1:27:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, lady, don't do that. Don't do that. And not, this is, I'm not saying that, look at that one run through, that's a cow, too. Or maybe a, well, it's probably a cow. Might be a bull that lost its antlers. Look at this fucker. Dude, look at the size of him.

• 1:28:16Speaker 02

  And if he just decides.

• 1:28:17Joe Rogan?

  The average moose is fourteen hundred pounds, average.

• 1:28:20Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 1:28:21Joe Rogan?

  They're so big. It feels like if you see them.

• 1:28:24Speaker 02

  That, that is unbelievable.

• 1:28:26Joe Rogan?

  If you see that, don't go towards it, okay? Trust me, this is not a movie. You don't live in a fucking movie.

• 1:28:34Speaker 02

  Go back to that one up top, though. That one right there.

• 1:28:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:37Speaker 02

  I mean, this is genuinely, this is a fucking dinosaur. Yeah, you're looking at a dinosaur, dude. That's insane.

• 1:28:43Joe Rogan?

  It's insane.

• 1:28:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw one in Banff. I went to Banff National Forest. And it was stunning, beautiful. We come around the corner and there's crazy traffic. And I was like, what is going on? And we see people getting out of their cars. I'm like, oh shit, something bad happened. I'm thinking it's an accident or something. It's on a bend.

• 1:28:59Joe Rogan?

  Look at that, that's the one. This is the one.

• 1:29:01Speaker 02

  Oh my god, dude.

• 1:29:02Joe Rogan?

  That's a big moose. Look at how much antler he has on him. Antler growth, that's an old moose.

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  What do you think, though? I don't know, age-wise. Like, what is that? How old would that be?

• 1:29:13Joe Rogan?

  That's probably a ten-year-old moose. Because he also looks like he's losing a little mass in his upper body. Like, eh, maybe not. Tough to say. He's like right on the peak of his prime. Like, he's probably gonna, life's gonna start sucking.

• 1:29:29Speaker 02

  Pretty soon.

• 1:29:30Joe Rogan?

  Pretty soon. He's gonna have a little hitch in his step.

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  He herniates a disc.

• 1:29:34Joe Rogan?

  And he's probably, look at the size of that. And he's probably only eight or nine years old.

• 1:29:38Speaker 02

  They only live till twelve, thirteen, something like that?

• 1:29:40Joe Rogan?

  If they're super lucky.

• 1:29:41Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:29:41Joe Rogan?

  That life is hard. They have freeze-offs. Like, there was a freeze-off in Utah where a buddy of mine hunts at.

• 1:29:50Speaker 02

  Freeze-off?

• 1:29:51Joe Rogan?

  Freeze-off. Where eighty-seven percent of their deer died.

• 1:29:54Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:29:55Joe Rogan?

  Eighty-seven percent.

• 1:29:56Speaker 02

  That's all of it?

• 1:29:57Joe Rogan?

  They froze to death.

• 1:29:58Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:29:58Joe Rogan?

  Eighty-seven percent.

• 1:30:00Speaker 02

  God damn.

• 1:30:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:01Speaker 02

  Why they couldn't seek shelter in enough time to live?

• 1:30:03Joe Rogan?

  They don't have shelter. Deer don't have shelter. Deer are just warm, they're very hot-blooded. Like, if you ever go deer hunting and you get a deer, when you put your hand, like, when you're gutting it and everything, you're amazed at how hot they are. Their bodies are hot. Did he freeze to death? Found frozen in place. Average weekly temperature was minus thirty-five degrees. So...

• 1:30:24Speaker 02

  Could they reanimate if they warmed up?

• 1:30:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure. Call Frankenstein. Isn't Frankenstein coming out?

• 1:30:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:30:31Joe Rogan?

  It looks sick.

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  Deer comes back?

• 1:30:33Joe Rogan?

  It's, uh, what's his face, too? Peaky Blinders.

• 1:30:36Speaker 02

  Killian Murphy?

• 1:30:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah!

• 1:30:37Speaker 02

  That guy's the fucking man.

• 1:30:38Joe Rogan?

  He's the fucking man, dude.

• 1:30:39Speaker 02

  He's gonna be Frankenstein?

• 1:30:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah!

• 1:30:41Speaker 02

  Oh, that's wild.

• 1:30:42Joe Rogan?

  And he's the doctor, I believe.

• 1:30:43Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:44Joe Rogan?

  So, everybody thinks Frankenstein's the monster. No, Frankenstein's the doctor.

• 1:30:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:30:48Joe Rogan?

  And the monster is Frankenstein's monster.

• 1:30:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:30:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:53Speaker 02

  Oh, look at this.

• 1:30:54Joe Rogan?

  Play this a little. I did.

• 1:31:01Joe Rogan?

  Standard music. I had a vision.

• 1:31:08Joe Rogan?

  An idea took shape.

• 1:31:11Joe Rogan?

  In my mind.

• 1:31:15Joe Rogan?

  Inevitable.

• 1:31:16Speaker 02

  Freeze off.

• 1:31:17Joe Rogan?

  Unavoidable.

• 1:31:21Joe Rogan?

  Until it became truth.

• 1:31:42Joe Rogan?

  Only monsters play God.

• 1:31:46Joe Rogan?

  In seeking life.

• 1:31:53Joe Rogan?

  I created death.

• 1:32:16Joe Rogan?

  Yo. Okay, that's not Killian Murphy.

• 1:32:20Speaker 02

  Christophe Waltz? Guillermo del Toro directed? Christophe Waltz, maybe?

• 1:32:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I was incorrect. I thought it was Killian Murphy. Someone told me that.

• 1:32:28Speaker 02

  Still a great little lineup.

• 1:32:28Joe Rogan?

  I just listened to it and then I spouted it out. I spouted out. That's how misinformation gets spread.

• 1:32:32Speaker 02

  It's a good lineup.

• 1:32:33Joe Rogan?

  If I was on the FCC, they'd pull me.

• 1:32:35Speaker 02

  And they should, by the way.

• 1:32:35Joe Rogan?

  They'd pull me for that.

• 1:32:36Speaker 02

  And I'm saying that to the FCC now, "Pull this show off the FCC. Get on it, man."

• 1:32:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they try to do that, too, even though it's on the internet. But the point is, with this Jimmy Kimmel thing, if you let this happen, it's gonna be able to happen with something that you agree with.

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  Everything across the board.

• 1:32:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if you're a person who's on the right, who's happy that he's getting pulled, "Yeah, fuck him." Like, if his show goes away because of bad ratings, that's one thing. And you wanna celebrate it, go ahead. But you don't want it to happen this way, kids. You don't wanna give that kinda power away all of a sudden. You know, and people could say, "Well, they've always had that power," and they, you know, and it's true. And, look, the FCC fined Howard Stern a fucking preposterous amount of money. You know, Howard Stern was doing... He was doing shit on the radio that no one had ever even thought about doing.

• 1:33:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:26Joe Rogan?

  Like, you wanna talk about, like, a real pioneer? That motherfucker, when he was on the radio, I know he's all... He's a little woke now, and he likes to wear a mask.

• 1:33:34Speaker 02

  He's a different guy than he was back then.

• 1:33:35Joe Rogan?

  He's a different guy.

• 1:33:36Speaker 02

  He's making girls ride Sibians live in their fucking...

• 1:33:39Joe Rogan?

  I get it, but I just still respect the guy who did it in the beginning. And the point is, without that guy, we would not be here. And that, the amount of money, they fined him during the Bush administration. Like, people forget, so that was the right... The right at the time was going after Howard for indecency. And so, I think it was because he was criticizing George Bush. I think that was the... Find out if that is, that's like the narrative.

• 1:34:08Speaker 00

  I'm reading through that. That's the same comparison with the Kimmel thing, though. I think the fines go to the actual, like, local.

• 1:34:16Joe Rogan?

  Parenting company, yeah.

• 1:34:17Speaker 00

  Company. Not ABC. It's the local.

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:34:21Speaker 00

  That can't even barely afford it.

• 1:34:22Speaker 02

  Cause the low, cause that was the whole discrepancy, right? Cause they own a bunch of these local, so they're pressing local people to go take this down.

• 1:34:28Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:34:29Speaker 02

  Cause they can't afford it.

• 1:34:30Joe Rogan?

  So they're trying to crush the business. And the way they would try to do it with Howard Stern, it was, they were using obscenity or indecency.

• 1:34:36Speaker 02

  I think indecency is right, right?

• 1:34:38Speaker 00

  Station, not him. But it's hard to.

• 1:34:41Joe Rogan?

  They did that, and then they found, they fund, they, um, find, rather. What was his company that he worked for? He worked for a very large media company. I think they got hit with a big one.

• 1:34:51Speaker 02

  Well, that one says Infinity clipped, uh, in eighty, in ninety-four, it was six hundred grand in ninety-four.

• 1:34:57Joe Rogan?

  And, yeah, Infinity in nineteen ninety-five included a one point seven one five million dollar payment to dismiss all outstanding indecency cases. So they hit him for one point seven million in ninety-five. How much is one point seven, what is that in today's dollars?

• 1:35:14Speaker 02

  Oh, I like guessing this. Let's do this. Hold on. Ninety-five, one point seven million?

• 1:35:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:18Speaker 02

  I'm guessing.

• 1:35:19Joe Rogan?

  Ten?

• 1:35:20Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:35:21Joe Rogan?

  Six?

• 1:35:22Speaker 02

  Four, three and some change, maybe four.

• 1:35:24Joe Rogan?

  Ninety-five dollars? I'm saying seven. Three and change?

• 1:35:27Speaker 02

  I say, I say four, four roof. You say seven roof.

• 1:35:29Joe Rogan?

  I'm thinking about Afghanistan, how much money they pumped into that. I'm thinking about Iraq, how much money they blowing at, they printed. They printed money the entire time. It caused inflation.

• 1:35:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:39Joe Rogan?

  That's why everything's so expensive. I'm going through my head, I'm like, no.

• 1:35:42Speaker 02

  I see that math.

• 1:35:43Joe Rogan?

  I feel like it's about seven.

• 1:35:45Speaker 02

  Jamie, what is it then and now?

• 1:35:48Speaker 02

  US inflation calculator, that's the one I use all the time. I do this literally all the time. I don't know why I'm obsessed with when someone's like, do you know how much that was back then?

• 1:35:55Joe Rogan?

  I hate when people do that. Cause it doesn't matter.

• 1:35:58Speaker 02

  I'm always like, what is that now?

• 1:35:59Joe Rogan?

  What is that in today's dollar? Shut the fuck up.

• 1:36:02Speaker 02

  What is that now? Alright, I'm saying four at the most. No more than four. One point seven, it's gotta be like.

• 1:36:07Joe Rogan?

  Seven million.

• 1:36:10Speaker 02

  Jamie.

• 1:36:11Speaker 00

  I'm stuck on a Google thing. I have, for me, I have the wrong.

• 1:36:13Speaker 02

  Jamie, Jamie, Jamie.

• 1:36:14Joe Rogan?

  What, run it through AI.

• 1:36:19Speaker 02

  You don't have crypto, do you dude?

• 1:36:21Joe Rogan?

  I got a little.

• 1:36:22Speaker 02

  You do.

• 1:36:22Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:12Joe Rogan?

  Mostly nonsense. I'm gonna run it through ChatGPT.

• 1:38:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, see what the chat says.

• 1:38:18Joe Rogan?

  Okay, what was the number?

• 1:38:19Speaker 02

  1.7, right? 1.7 something.

• 1:38:23Joe Rogan?

  What is 1.7

• 1:38:28Joe Rogan?

  million dollars in 1995 in today's dollar?

• 1:38:39Speaker 00

  What, oh, I was doing all the math.

• 1:38:41Joe Rogan?

  She's transcribing.

• 1:38:42Speaker 00

  Three point seven.

• 1:38:43Speaker 02

  Three point seven. Ooh, the kid was right.

• 1:38:47Joe Rogan?

  This is taking a long time.

• 1:38:49Speaker 02

  He's got it.

• 1:38:49Joe Rogan?

  Yep, three point six, according to ChatGPT.

• 1:38:54Joe Rogan?

  Okay, you nailed it, dude.

• 1:38:55Speaker 02

  Damn, dude, I should have fucking thank you, bro. That's fucking huge.

• 1:38:58Joe Rogan?

  That's very good. That makes me feel better. I was thinking it was gonna be about seven.

• 1:39:01Speaker 02

  Way more.

• 1:39:02Joe Rogan?

  I was thinking inflation was that bad, because everybody would, "When I was a kid, for fifty grand a year, you lived like a king."

• 1:39:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:39:08Joe Rogan?

  You had a house, you had a car, you had a boat.

• 1:39:12Speaker 02

  You had a second family, two towns over.

• 1:39:15Joe Rogan?

  Fifty grand, you were killing it.

• 1:39:17Speaker 02

  I think, I think someone said, and I, like, my grandfather was a firefighter, and I think back then he was making, I wanna say it was right around there, like thirty or forty grand or something like that. And it was, like, really good money.

• 1:39:31Joe Rogan?

  Um, yeah, that was good money back then, if you made forty grand a year.

• 1:39:34Speaker 02

  And the houses were twenty grand or whatever.

• 1:39:36Joe Rogan?

  Were very reasonable.

• 1:39:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  Now.

• 1:39:40Joe Rogan?

  We're fucked. Now, young kids right now are really fucked, because another thing that's happening is these giant corporations are buying up houses so they could just rent them.

• 1:39:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a trip.

• 1:39:49Speaker 02

  Well, the rental future is real, right? They say that all the time. That's what it's gonna be.

• 1:39:53Joe Rogan?

  Not for everybody, but, you know.

• 1:39:55Speaker 02

  A lot.

• 1:39:56Joe Rogan?

  It's just weird. The whole thing is weird. It's just, it always goes into more and more control. And these same people are gonna be the people that are gonna be in charge of artificial general superintelligence.

• 1:40:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:40:10Joe Rogan?

  Until it's not listening anymore.

• 1:40:12Speaker 02

  And then what? And then what?

• 1:40:14Joe Rogan?

  Then it's God.

• 1:40:16Speaker 02

  Then it's God.

• 1:40:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so these people who wanna like, it's like, uh, they're like Frankenstein. They're like, "I'll control it," and Frankenstein eventually kills the doctor. Spoiler alert.

• 1:40:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know if you guys saw it.

• 1:40:27Joe Rogan?

  If you read the actual book, the Mary Shelley book.

• 1:40:32Joe Rogan?

  She apparently wrote that book. It was like her and a bunch of friends went away for like a weekend somewhere, like a, like some sort of like a

• 1:40:41Speaker 02

  Retreat?

• 1:40:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like a retreat getaway and they were all friends and they all decided to write the scariest story.

• 1:40:47Speaker 02

  That's pretty tricky.

• 1:40:47Joe Rogan?

  I think that's the, my daughter actually told me this.

• 1:40:50Speaker 02

  That's the Mary Shelley tale?

• 1:40:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, see, tell me that's true, Jamie. I'm pretty sure that's how it all went down. And, uh, she fucking nailed it, son.

• 1:41:00Speaker 02

  It is kind of, it is wild.

• 1:41:01Joe Rogan?

  That's a, she wrote that book in the eighteen hundreds.

• 1:41:04Speaker 02

  So this, this begs this question, do you think? Dylan has talked about this, that when they're like, could you, there's an interview where Dylan's like, they're like, could you write that song today?

• 1:41:14Joe Rogan?

  Bob Dylan?

• 1:41:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they, he was like, no. Because something else was living through me. Like as if like something was empowering them to do this and write that story.

• 1:41:24Joe Rogan?

  There's a little of that, right?

• 1:41:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:25Joe Rogan?

  So this is the story, the summer of eighteen sixteen, Mary Shelley, Percy and Claire took a visit to Claire's lover, Lord Byron. My lover, Lord Byron. Please come with me by horseback to visit my lover.

• 1:41:39Speaker 02

  Come to Geneva.

• 1:41:40Joe Rogan?

  Come to Geneva. Poor weather conditions, more akin to a winter, forced Byron and the visitors to stay indoors. To help pass, imagine you get all the way out to this fucking dude's shitty house in Geneva.

• 1:41:51Speaker 02

  Can't even go out.

• 1:41:52Joe Rogan?

  You just have to huddle by the fire to stay alive. To help pass the time, there's no electricity, bro.

• 1:41:57Speaker 02

  Snuff.

• 1:41:57Joe Rogan?

  Eighteen sixteen. Byron suggested he, Mary Percy and Byron's physician have a competition to write the best ghost story while stuck indoors. Mary was just eighteen years old when she won the contest with her creation of Frankenstein. Isn't that wild?

• 1:42:14Speaker 02

  That's what I mean though, it's like-

• 1:42:15Joe Rogan?

  What other books did she write? Why haven't I read her other books? Cause I read Frankenstein when I was a kid.

• 1:42:20Speaker 02

  Her mother was famous, right? Wasn't her mom famous?

• 1:42:23Joe Rogan?

  Was she?

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  Go up to the top, real fast.

• 1:42:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, they did know a lord.

• 1:42:27Speaker 02

  A lord, if they were lords, it is. Yeah, click on her.

• 1:42:31Joe Rogan?

  What a dirty girl, going to visit a guy to fuck and you're not even married in the eighteen hundreds? That's a wild move back then.

• 1:42:37Speaker 02

  Oh no, her mom died when she was, eleven days after giving birth.

• 1:42:42Speaker 02

  She was for her father, married a neighbor, Mary Jane Claremont.

• 1:42:45Joe Rogan?

  With whom Mary had a troubled relationship, but of course.

• 1:42:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, why not?

• 1:42:49Joe Rogan?

  Step mom. Uh, eighteen fourteen, Mary began a romance with one of her father's political followers, Percy Bysshe. How do you say that name? Bysshe?

• 1:42:59Speaker 02

  Percy Bysshe Shelley?

• 1:43:01Joe Rogan?

  B Y S S H E Shelley.

• 1:43:04Speaker 02

  Bysshe?

• 1:43:04Joe Rogan?

  Who was already married.

• 1:43:06Speaker 02

  Together with her stepsister Claire.

• 1:43:08Joe Rogan?

  Percy!

• 1:43:08Speaker 02

  Percy you.

• 1:43:09Joe Rogan?

  Together with her stepsister Claire Claremont. Who fucking named her?

• 1:43:14Speaker 02

  Claire Claremont?

• 1:43:15Joe Rogan?

  Boring ass people. My name is Joe Joseph. Uh, she left, she and Percy left for France and traveled through Europe. Upon their return to England, Mary was pregnant with Percy's child. That quick?

• 1:43:27Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:43:27Joe Rogan?

  Bam.

• 1:43:28Speaker 02

  Rockin'.

• 1:43:29Joe Rogan?

  That's how they did it back then, because you never knew when you were gonna die.

• 1:43:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're gonna die within the next month or two.

• 1:43:32Joe Rogan?

  You get pregnant when you're eighteen, it's like, great.

• 1:43:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, good, you're dying at thirty.

• 1:43:35Joe Rogan?

  Maybe people will survive. Over the next two years, she and Percy faced ostracism, constant debt, and the death of their prematurely born daughter. Oh my god, they married in late eighteen sixty after the suicide of Percy Shelley's wife. Oh my god, the lady killed herself because they were fucking.

• 1:43:52Speaker 02

  Did she kill herself, Joe?

• 1:43:54Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question, too.

• 1:43:55Speaker 02

  Was she taking care of, there's no forensics in eighteen sixty?

• 1:43:58Joe Rogan?

  Did someone disassemble a rifle and a, incredible amount of time? And then screw it back together again and leave it in the woods?

• 1:44:05Speaker 02

  The cops were like, what happened here? They're like, oh, she took her own life. Moving on.

• 1:44:09Joe Rogan?

  The Shelly's left Britain in eighteen eighteen for Italy where the second and third children died before Shelley gave birth to her last and only surviving child. Oh my god, times are so hard back then, dude. That was normal, where your kids would just die.

• 1:44:22Speaker 02

  Most of your kids died.

• 1:44:23Joe Rogan?

  Catch some fucking horrible infection, there's no antibiotics, you're just dead.

• 1:44:29Speaker 02

  How old did she live, when did she die? Go over to the right there, Mary Shelley lived to be what? Fifty-three.

• 1:44:35Joe Rogan?

  Wow, she, a brain tumor which killed her at the age of fifty-three.

• 1:44:41Joe Rogan?

  That's kinda crazy, right? A brain tumor took her out?

• 1:44:44Speaker 02

  God, she looks like somebody. That photo is creepy. She looks like someone like in the modern day that I know.

• 1:44:50Joe Rogan?

  Really? Someone that you know?

• 1:44:52Speaker 02

  No, she looks like, she reminds me of the face of this girl who's like a comedian on TikTok. It's so weird. She has that same like...

• 1:45:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:45:01Speaker 02

  Oh, like, you remember her name, dude? It looks just like her. It's weird. It's so weird.

• 1:45:05Joe Rogan?

  Well...

• 1:45:05Speaker 02

  I hate that when they show people from, you know, like a hundred years ago and now of like a celebrity. Have you ever seen those?

• 1:45:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, what they would look like today?

• 1:45:12Speaker 02

  No, no, no. They'll do a person who, from like a hundred years ago and a person that exists today and they almost look identical.

• 1:45:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:45:19Speaker 02

  As if it's like, and there's no connective tissue to these two people. They, different times, no blood, no nothing.

• 1:45:24Joe Rogan?

  You know about the two baseball players, right?

• 1:45:26Speaker 02

  The two, the, what are they called? The, um...

• 1:45:28Joe Rogan?

  The two guys who, they're both six foot four, they're both redheads, they both have the same crazy name, they both have the same surgery.

• 1:45:35Speaker 02

  No blood.

• 1:45:36Joe Rogan?

  And they're not related to each other at all. One of them is like five years older than the other one. What are those guys' names again? We talked about it the other day.

• 1:45:44Speaker 02

  That's what I learned about...

• 1:45:44Joe Rogan?

  They have a nutty last name, too. It's like Feigl?

• 1:45:50Joe Rogan?

  The, the odds of... What is it?

• 1:45:51Speaker 02

  Feigels.

• 1:45:54Speaker 02

  Freddie Feigl. Brady, Brady Feigl. Brady Feigl.

• 1:45:57Joe Rogan?

  Show the photos of it, cause you see the two guys together, you're like, there's no way. This, this ain't real.

• 1:46:04Speaker 02

  Unrelated.

• 1:46:07Joe Rogan?

  Look at the two of them.

• 1:46:08Speaker 02

  I don't even understand.

• 1:46:09Joe Rogan?

  How's that possible?

• 1:46:10Speaker 02

  I don't even understand.

• 1:46:12Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if you were out camping and that guy killed that guy and then came back in his place? You'd have no idea.

• 1:46:17Speaker 02

  You'd never know.

• 1:46:17Joe Rogan?

  You wouldn't know for days. You'd be like, hey, you're, you're not Brady. I'm fucking Brady. You wanna see my driver's license? Like, Brady doesn't live there.

• 1:46:28Speaker 02

  That's a good mystery, that's a good horror movie.

• 1:46:30Joe Rogan?

  I am Brady and I live there. What the fuck?

• 1:46:32Speaker 02

  I'm Brady Feigl.

• 1:46:33Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck? I do live there.

• 1:46:35Speaker 02

  That's how I, that's how I learned about the guys. Who are the two baseball players, the brothers that are pitchers that are?

• 1:46:42Speaker 02

  Mirror identical, mirror image identical twins. Do you know about this?

• 1:46:45Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:46:46Speaker 02

  Not, I thought that's just another way of saying identical twins. Mirrors are in the reverse, right? Like, my right side is your...

• 1:46:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:46:53Speaker 02

  Yes, and these two guys have it, and it's su- super rare, and it's when, when the split happens, it's either a millisecond away from creating conjoined, or this. It's like, within a second, if it doesn't split at that very moment, yeah, these guys, Tyler, the Rogers, right? The mirror identical twins. But if you read about mirror identical twins, what blows my mind is the amount that ha- like, the perfect second that has to take place for that, for this to split, it's this close to just them being conjoined.

• 1:47:25Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts.

• 1:47:26Speaker 02

  Right, the single fertilized egg splits later in the embryonic development, nine to 12 days after conception. This delayed split allows embryos' left and right-sided genes to become active, causing to develop a mirror image.

• 1:47:36Joe Rogan?

  Whoa!

• 1:47:38Speaker 02

  Is that fucking wild?

• 1:47:38Joe Rogan?

  I wonder what kind of a psychic connection they have to each other.

• 1:47:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:47:42Joe Rogan?

  They must.

• 1:47:43Speaker 02

  They must.

• 1:47:44Joe Rogan?

  They must.

• 1:47:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, they must have something deep.

• 1:47:46Joe Rogan?

  There's...

• 1:47:47Speaker 02

  Like, he, he thinks he know, he'll think something that he's already thinking?

• 1:47:50Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:47:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love that shit.

• 1:47:51Joe Rogan?

  They must, they must.

• 1:47:52Speaker 02

  Their waves are connecting?

• 1:47:54Joe Rogan?

  They must.

• 1:47:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a trip.

• 1:47:58Joe Rogan?

  They must.

• 1:48:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, the, the psychology of twin, twinning is kinda crazy. I was, I went down the rabbit hole about like, you know how they like, they'll put a door between, they'll do these on TikTok and Instagram, so they'll put a door between two twins, and they'll go, "Okay, raise your right arm," and, or, I'm sorry, they'll say, "Put up a finger," or whatever, and they'll both do the exact same thing. They'll go, dance in place, and they'll dance identical in place, even though they don't see what the other one's doing. But they know, that's their instinctual thing.

• 1:48:28Joe Rogan?

  Dude, I know people that are twins that don't talk to their brother.

• 1:48:32Speaker 02

  What, what do you mean?

• 1:48:33Joe Rogan?

  They don't like their brother.

• 1:48:34Speaker 02

  They just don't connect.

• 1:48:36Joe Rogan?

  How about that?

• 1:48:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's wild.

• 1:48:37Joe Rogan?

  How about, "He looks exactly like you, and you don't like him."

• 1:48:41Speaker 02

  That's, that's self-hate shit, I got that.

• 1:48:42Joe Rogan?

  He came out of the...

• 1:48:45Speaker 02

  I got that shit.

• 1:48:48Joe Rogan?

  Imagine that it becomes your enemy. You are your enemy? That is so... That's so dystopian. That's so terrible.

• 1:48:56Speaker 02

  That's like a Face Off.

• 1:48:58Joe Rogan?

  No, it's worse.

• 1:48:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:00Joe Rogan?

  It's way worse? It's literally you.

• 1:49:02Speaker 02

  It's you.

• 1:49:03Joe Rogan?

  It's actually you. They look exactly... they're the same height, same weight, same body, face, image, everything. It's you. It looks like you. It's like, oh, that's what I look like.

• 1:49:13Speaker 02

  Fuck that guy.

• 1:49:13Joe Rogan?

  Especially if one of them doesn't get jacked. It's very rare that they do. They usually kinda stay the same.

• 1:49:19Speaker 02

  They copy each other. They typically...

• 1:49:21Joe Rogan?

  Is that what it is?

• 1:49:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, usually they wanna do the same things a lot.

• 1:49:24Joe Rogan?

  What did you... imagine if your brother just starts marathon running, like, dude, I'm not fucking doing this.

• 1:49:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm not doing it.

• 1:49:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, I'm gonna get down to 140 pounds, so I'm gonna run 100 miles. And you're like, no, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. I wanna be able to change a tire.

• 1:49:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:49:36Joe Rogan?

  You fucking weigh 140 pounds, man. What are you doing? I wanna run forever. Like, no, we're twins.

• 1:49:42Speaker 02

  Don't do that. We have to look alike.

• 1:49:44Joe Rogan?

  We can't do this, bro. I'm not fucking getting skinny. Like, my friend Cam, when he does like those 100 mile races, he gets real thin. He gets down to like 155 pounds.

• 1:49:55Speaker 02

  It's creepy looking.

• 1:49:56Joe Rogan?

  You have to.

• 1:49:57Speaker 02

  Cause you shed so much, right? And also, doesn't your... Doesn't it change your facial structure because of this pounding?

• 1:50:04Joe Rogan?

  Your body is eating itself.

• 1:50:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, bad news bears.

• 1:50:07Joe Rogan?

  But you're showing everybody, your mind is strong enough to allow your body to do that. Cause you have to do that even before you run. So if he... if Cam, like the heaviest that I've known him, he was probably like a buck 80. And I think he's probably like somewhere in the 160-ish range now, you know? And he just did it by not eating a lot and working out all day.

• 1:50:29Speaker 02

  Just fasting and working out?

• 1:50:30Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:50:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:31Joe Rogan?

  Just eating like he would map his calories out.

• 1:50:34Speaker 02

  That's it, right?

• 1:50:35Joe Rogan?

  So he can get real thin, so he could run these long ass races. Cause you don't see any jacked dudes... Well, you do see Goggins. He's pretty jacked. But he's jacked in like a slender, athletic... He's not like a beefy, like Brock Lesnar looking dude.

• 1:50:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:50:50Joe Rogan?

  Like, you're not gonna see some Brock Lesnar looking dude that's gonna run 200 miles.

• 1:50:54Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:50:55Joe Rogan?

  I don't think you can do it.

• 1:50:56Speaker 02

  I don't think the body could handle that. There's so much weight.

• 1:50:59Joe Rogan?

  I think if you condition... if you're gonna run something like that, you gotta condition yourself. And if you condition yourself with that kinda body, like for that long, like you're gonna break something. It doesn't work that way.

• 1:51:10Speaker 02

  It's gonna buckle.

• 1:51:11Joe Rogan?

  That thing's designed for destroying. It's designed for running through walls and shit. It's not designed for running long ass distances.

• 1:51:18Speaker 02

  You never got into long distance running, did you? Any running at all?

• 1:51:21Joe Rogan?

  I've run. I used to run in the mountains a lot with my dog. He loves running. I used to take him when I lived in California. We'd take him through the hills and the canyons.

• 1:51:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:31Joe Rogan?

  But he was always worried about mountain lions.

• 1:51:33Speaker 02

  Well, did they? Yeah. That's the thing.

• 1:51:35Joe Rogan?

  Because I have a golden retriever and if a mountain lion just took out my golden retriever in front of me, I have to fight.

• 1:51:42Speaker 02

  Now you have to fight a mountain lion.

• 1:51:43Joe Rogan?

  I have to fight a mountain lion and then I might lose my face.

• 1:51:46Speaker 02

  Did you hear about Rogan? He fought a mountain lion, dude.

• 1:51:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:49Speaker 02

  Wow, how'd it turn out?

• 1:51:50Joe Rogan?

  Not good.

• 1:51:51Speaker 02

  The show's not gonna go on.

• 1:51:52Joe Rogan?

  Not good. There's no way. But you can't carry a gun in California.

• 1:51:56Speaker 02

  No, you can't.

• 1:51:58Joe Rogan?

  It's not like you're ever gonna need it, right? But you might.

• 1:52:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:52:01Joe Rogan?

  This is the thing. It's not like you're ever, ever, ever, ever gonna need it. You're probably not gonna need it. You're right. You're probably not gonna need it. But you might.

• 1:52:06Speaker 02

  But you might.

• 1:52:07Joe Rogan?

  But you might. And that's what's fucked. Because California does not control their mountain lion population. I know a guy who works at a ranch and we were having a conversation about it the other day and he was telling me that, you know, they wind up spending the exact same amount. They wind up killing the exact same amount of mountain lions that they would, even if they let hunters hunt them. Because they have to because they're breaking into people's yards and killing their dogs.

• 1:52:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:34Joe Rogan?

  And killing their cats. You know, and in Hollywood, man, there's kids have gone missing.

• 1:52:39Speaker 02

  From those mountain lions?

• 1:52:40Joe Rogan?

  Kids have gone missing from backyards.

• 1:52:42Speaker 02

  Well, what's the one that they put down, the PC, the one, the most famous one, they had to put it down because it killed some, or I don't know if it killed a person, but it did. It was called like PC 145, they, you know, whatever the

• 1:52:53Joe Rogan?

  We have a photo of it.

• 1:52:54Speaker 02

  Code of it.

• 1:52:54Joe Rogan?

  We have a photo of that mountain lion.

• 1:52:55Speaker 02

  Didn't it kill somebody and they put it down?

• 1:52:57Joe Rogan?

  I don't think so. No, I don't think so. I don't think it ever killed a person.

• 1:53:00Speaker 02

  But did they have to put it down for some reason?

• 1:53:01Joe Rogan?

  I think it was really old. They used to have to dart it like every couple of years, I think, and change its collar.

• 1:53:07Speaker 02

  Check that motherfucker.

• 1:53:08Joe Rogan?

  Nuts. Just dull. They wanted to know where the monster is. So they're like, let's keep the 150-pound monster wandering through the woods, just like, could it call around its neck so I know where it is when it's killing shit? This is like, it's very weird. The photo, you've seen the photo we have out there?

• 1:53:25Speaker 02

  I do remember that photo, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:53:27Joe Rogan?

  It's him with the Hollywood sign.

• 1:53:28Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 1:53:29Joe Rogan?

  It's the, it is LA. That photo, to me, is LA. Like, when I point to people, I'm like, this is how stupid LA is. This is LA. This is LA, you have the Hollywood sign, and you have a monster, and everybody knows it's a monster, but they just put a collar on his neck, he'll be fine.

• 1:53:43Speaker 02

  Just leave it alone.

• 1:53:44Joe Rogan?

  He's eating babies, he's eating fucking dogs and cats. He's eating, he's eating everything, like, assert, listen, he was here first, they were here first.

• 1:53:54Speaker 02

  Well, Joe, everybody's eating babies in Hollywood, you know that, that's not just a mountain lion, baby.

• 1:53:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's different. It's a different kind of cult. They, they had this, um, lady in Malibu, and she had an alpaca farm, and this mountain lion was fucking up her alpacas. So if a, if a mountain lion just realizes that animals are stuck in a pen, it doesn't just kill what it needs to kill. They, they only kill what they need to, to survive. Uh-uh.

• 1:54:20Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:54:20Joe Rogan?

  It does what's called surplus killing. It just starts going ham, and it killed like eight or nine alpacas before it got bored.

• 1:54:26Speaker 02

  Just ran, just got annoyed.

• 1:54:29Joe Rogan?

  Twelve!

• 1:54:30Speaker 02

  So many.

• 1:54:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, so, this lady got a depredation permit. Um, and then when she filed for this depredation permit, it went public, and she started getting death threats.

• 1:54:44Speaker 02

  Why?

• 1:54:45Joe Rogan?

  Because you can't kill the mountain lion, you can't kill the monster.

• 1:54:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:54:49Joe Rogan?

  So, and this, again, this is someone, for someone who's seen mountain lions in public, I love mountain lions, I love them, I think they're amazing. One of them killed my dog in Colorado. Okay?

• 1:54:58Speaker 02

  Oh shit.

• 1:54:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but, I love mountain lions, they're awesome, they should definitely be around. But, when they kill twelve alpacas, like, maybe you gotta send a message!

• 1:55:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:10Joe Rogan?

  Fuck you, bro!

• 1:55:12Speaker 02

  Uh, to be, can you show me a picture of an alpaca, though?

• 1:55:15Joe Rogan?

  While not in Malibu, another major mountain lion attack on an alpaca farm occurred in Lake County, California, in August of 2025. In this incident, a band of mountain lions killed seventeen alpacas over the course of several days. Holy shit, man! The attack prompted authorities to issue a lethal depredation permit and reiterated that when in an enclosed area, a mountain lion's predatory instinct can lead to the overkill of multiple animals. We need them. They're an important part of our ecosystem. That is LA. That's LA. It's suicidal empathy.

• 1:55:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:50Joe Rogan?

  Attached to a ridiculous ideology.

• 1:55:53Speaker 02

  I don't mind that thing being, those are ugly. Get rid of those things.

• 1:55:56Joe Rogan?

  Well.

• 1:55:56Speaker 02

  Mountain lions did it. I'm on the mountain lions team.

• 1:55:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, get that thing out of here.

• 1:56:00Joe Rogan?

  You just can't have cocky animals around.

• 1:56:03Speaker 02

  What is it, what is an alpaca good for? Why do people breed them? What's the deal?

• 1:56:06Joe Rogan?

  Probably the fur. I bet they're wool. Yeah. I think alpaca, they make socks out of them, I'm pretty sure.

• 1:56:12Speaker 02

  Nah, we're good with sheep.

• 1:56:13Joe Rogan?

  Aren't hollow socks, are those socks made with alpaca stuff? They're really good, solid socks.

• 1:56:18Speaker 02

  Alpaca fur is supposed to be better, is it better? I mean, we've been doing pretty good for cotton. Cotton's been alright for a while, huh?

• 1:56:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, no, no. Cotton is not nearly as good as wool.

• 1:56:27Speaker 02

  You're okay.

• 1:56:28Joe Rogan?

  For, see, here's the thing. For stuff like that, the reason why, like wool, like people think, oh, wool's not necessary, you could have, one of the reasons why wool is necessary, the reason why people use it in the first place is because you could be wet with wool on and you stay warm. If you're wet with cotton on, you're fucked.

• 1:56:46Speaker 02

  We've been in a pool with a shirt. Yeah, you know, we've been to the beach.

• 1:56:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's just, if you're in the woods and you go hiking and you get sweaty and then it gets cold out and you're stuck out there, you're fucked.

• 1:56:56Speaker 02

  But wool stays.

• 1:56:57Joe Rogan?

  Wool stays warm. It's really amazing.

• 1:57:00Speaker 02

  Fine fleece.

• 1:57:01Joe Rogan?

  Most significant use, fiber production, alpacas being bred for their soft, fine fleece that's used to make high-quality clothing, blankets, and other textiles. So, that's the thing about, like, um, stuff that's natural, like wool in particular, merino wool, it also doesn't smell bad. Like, you could sweat in it for days and you don't stink. Like, if I wear, like, a synthetic undergarment and I'm hiking, like, if we're camping or if I'm in the woods for a couple days, you, if you have anything that has, like, a plastic in it, a nylon, like, any kind of a synthetic, like, undergarment, they stink, dude. They smell so bad. They smell so bad.

• 1:57:44Speaker 02

  It's like a hockey bag.

• 1:57:45Joe Rogan?

  You wanna just peel them off you and you get it and you take it off, you smell it, you're like, what the fuck? You smell wool, you could wear it for days and days and days, you don't stink in it. That's wild. Cause it's natural. Yeah. It's the best, they make, it makes the best socks, it makes the best like, uh, my friend's company Firstlight. I think they were like one of the first companies that started doing merino wool. And then they make like merino wool undergarments and. What's merino wool? It's just a type of wool, but it's like this very fine wool that like, it feels like cotton, it feels like this. And you put it on as like undergarments, like a base layer, and if you sweat, you're okay. If you sweat with cotton on, you're in real trouble, man. Yeah, yeah, it stinks. Real trouble. Stinks.

• 1:58:29Joe Rogan?

  So that's why you need alpaca. I don't even know if alpacas work the same way, but merino does. We'll keep them. The point is, these fucking mountain lions, you gotta, you gotta let them know who's boss. Yeah. Like, I'm not for killing mountain lions. I, I think they're awesome. I love them. But I'm for killing some mountain lions. You know, I'm not for killing them all. Just a few. I'm not like killing them all. I'm like, no, you need a balance out there. All you do is you got an overpopulation of animals. But what you don't need is them killing your fucking kids. Okay? Cause they will kill your kids. That's a mountain lion. They don't give a fuck. You leave a four-year-old inside and you're on the phone. And then I told him, you have to fucking respect me. I've been in this office for, and you hear.

• 1:59:10Joe Rogan?

  And your kids, the back of your kid's fucking head is caved in now and this cat's running over a fence with him. And you turn around, your kid's gone. Like, yeah, that's real. That's real, dude. That's real. That's a cat. It's a giant cat. That you can't control, and if it decides it's gonna kill you, you're helpless. So shut the fuck up with all this Narnia nonsense. Shut up. You gotta kill a few of them. You gotta let them know who's the boss. You can't come in my fucking neighborhood, shithead. You don't put a collar on them and take pictures. So cute that they're in our neighborhood. Look, they're camping in front of my house. Yeah, they're waiting for your kid to go get his ball. Are you fucking crazy? They just ate your neighbor's dog, now they're waiting for your kid to get his ball.

• 1:59:54Speaker 02

  Authorities killed mountain lion after 11-year-old girl attacked at a California home.

• 1:59:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:58Speaker 02

  There you go, in Malibu.

• 1:59:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:00Speaker 02

  The month last month.

• 2:00:01Joe Rogan?

  Just shut the fuck up, you people. You're out of your mind.

• 2:00:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, we are, it's great.

• 2:00:05Joe Rogan?

  It's like, these people are, they don't know what animals are. They, they think they're living in a movie, they don't... With the Charlie Kirk thing, they don't know what an assassination is. You're cheering that if someone got killed with gun violence, you're supposed to be the anti-gun violence people.

• 2:00:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:00:19Joe Rogan?

  You're cheering for gun violence. Do you know how fucking crazy this makes you look? You're cheering for gun violence against a guy who deplored violence.

• 2:00:28Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah, adamantly, was pretty loud about it, too.

• 2:00:31Joe Rogan?

  It's so stupid.

• 2:00:32Speaker 02

  Well, the disconnect, that's the really sad thing, is that the death doesn't even... When people die, it doesn't even feel like anything anymore for people.

• 2:00:41Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:00:41Speaker 02

  Cause they're like, whatever.

• 2:00:42Joe Rogan?

  They don't feel like it's a real person, because they're used to talking about people and talking to people in a digital form, online, with no impact, like, no consequences of, you know, no... You don't feel it from the person, you don't feel empathy because you hurt their feelings, you don't, it's just dead.

• 2:00:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:59Joe Rogan?

  It's sociopathic. You know, and it's like, people just, I did not, I wasn't, I didn't know too much about Charlie Kirk. What I knew about him was some of the clips, like I think most of us did. Some of the clips that you see online of him debating college kids.

• 2:01:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:19Joe Rogan?

  And I always thought, okay, I could see the point for it, because, you know, these are voters, and these are young people, and they have been indoctrinated in a certain way of thinking, and they probably never encountered anybody who can articulate what the other opinion is like. What a conservative perspective is life, what, what a, what they think, the way they think you should approach life, the way they... You don't get to hear that at universities, you get to only hear one side of things. So on that side, I'm like, okay, that's good about it, but it's also like you're dunking on these young kids, but also, they should know that they could be dunked on, cause their ideas suck, right?

• 2:02:01Speaker 02

  Or be challenged, at the very least, yeah.

• 2:02:02Joe Rogan?

  But... The fact that that was enough to make people happy and cheer that he died. Because he was effective in what he was doing, that's what it was. And they felt like he was indoctrinating kids. Well, guess what, that's what conservatives feel like every day. They feel like you're indoctrinating kids. When you're gaslighting people and saying there's nothing wrong with having a drag queen story hour for kids. Like, no, it's not. You know what, we need ball gag story hour too. Because it's a fetish, right? So let's have strap on story hour. Like, let's get crazy. Like, what are we talking about? No, no, there's nothing wrong with being a drag queen. But there's something weird about wanting to be alone and read kids a story while you dress like a woman.

• 2:02:47Joe Rogan?

  And you're not. And you're doing this for some weird kink.

• 2:02:50Speaker 02

  It's just weird that it's like a... It's weird that it matters, that it's like a thing people fight about. You're like, how is that a thing?

• 2:02:57Joe Rogan?

  It's probably not. It's probably more of the algorithm bullshit.

• 2:02:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I bet you it's not, it's not.

• 2:03:00Joe Rogan?

  No, it's probably... And then, by the way, actual drag queens, like, I don't know, where I could read the kids, pick up a couple hundred bucks.

• 2:03:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, side gig.

• 2:03:08Joe Rogan?

  What a great gig! And then all of a sudden, these like, super progressive schools are like, I'm booked up. Booked up in all the progressive schools while she's fucking chain smoking camels.

• 2:03:18Joe Rogan?

  By the way, speaking of sheep. Have you heard Ghostface Killah's son's diss track?

• 2:03:25Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:03:26Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:03:27Speaker 02

  To who?

• 2:03:27Joe Rogan?

  To Ghostface Killah. Now, I don't, first of all, I do not know if this is real. In this day and age of fucking crazy AI, but it's going all over the internets.

• 2:03:38Speaker 02

  Ghost's son going after him.

• 2:03:39Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Ghost's son, who may or may not identify as a woman. I am not sure, so I want to be careful.

• 2:03:46Speaker 02

  Sure. Is going after Ghostface.

• 2:03:48Joe Rogan?

  Because in these days, you don't want the FCC breathing down your neck for being inaccurate. Mr. Santino.

• 2:03:54Speaker 02

  No, no, don't ban me. Don't ban me FCC.

• 2:03:56Joe Rogan?

  But, bro, the flow. It makes you think, like, okay. Yeah, Ghostface Killah's son, "Infinite Coals airs out family issues on two new songs." I don't, generally don't like hearing people air out their family beefs live.

• 2:04:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:12Joe Rogan?

  But put that aside and listen to the flow. Cause this fucking dude can rap. This dude can rap, man, but it just makes sense because it's like, can we play a little of it? And then edit it out? I mean, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll edit it out. Not fucking bad, bro. Not fucking bad.

• 2:04:28Speaker 02

  Butty boy, sweet face killer. That'll be in my head all day today.

• 2:04:31Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that was good.

• 2:04:33Speaker 02

  Butty boy, sweet face killer.

• 2:04:34Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I don't know what kind of a cry for help that is, but.

• 2:04:37Speaker 02

  Well, it's clear they don't get along.

• 2:04:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it seems like, uh, I'm mad at you, but fucking what a flow. Like, super talented. Isn't that crazy how like that kind of shit's genetic sometimes?

• 2:04:46Speaker 02

  A hundred percent, that's for sure.

• 2:04:48Joe Rogan?

  You know, you ever heard like someone who, like their dad was like a really good singer? Then you hear them singing, like, how are you doing that?

• 2:04:55Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:04:56Joe Rogan?

  Where's that coming from? Wow, you got it like in your genes.

• 2:04:59Speaker 02

  Do you know who Elsie Cook is?

• 2:05:00Joe Rogan?

  This guy, they responded and said it's not a diss.

• 2:05:03Speaker 02

  Not a diss?

• 2:05:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's not a diss.

• 2:05:05Speaker 02

  That's great.

• 2:05:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, I couldn't, not a diss, but thank you so much. Okay, good.

• 2:05:09Speaker 02

  It sounded.

• 2:05:09Joe Rogan?

  Even better.

• 2:05:10Speaker 02

  Sounded like a diss.

• 2:05:11Joe Rogan?

  That sold it, that got people to look at it. Oh, my God.

• 2:05:13Speaker 02

  Just click.

• 2:05:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the thing about rap music. You say things quick enough and fast enough, people are like, oh, did he diss him?

• 2:05:17Speaker 02

  Is he shitting on him right now?

• 2:05:18Joe Rogan?

  I missed that.

• 2:05:20Speaker 02

  No, it is genetic. You know who Elsie Cook is?

• 2:05:22Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:05:23Speaker 02

  Sam Cooke's brother?

• 2:05:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:05:24Speaker 02

  Crazy. Dude, it's, it's kind of wild, like he sounds.

• 2:05:28Joe Rogan?

  Brothers one thing though, cause they grew up together.

• 2:05:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that talent, the fact, like, cause Sam.

• 2:05:34Joe Rogan?

  Is that good?

• 2:05:34Speaker 02

  Sam was so good. Elsie, uh, wrote, rumored, I don't know how much of this is true, but Elsie wrote a lot of, co-wrote and helped a lot of stuff with Sam.

• 2:05:44Joe Rogan?

  Mmm.

• 2:05:45Speaker 02

  But you listen to that record right there.

• 2:05:46Joe Rogan?

  Which one?

• 2:05:47Speaker 02

  That Put Me Down Easy, that record is one of my favorite fucking songs.

• 2:05:50Joe Rogan?

  Listen a little, we'll listen a little.

• 2:05:51Speaker 02

  I love this song, man.

• 2:05:53Joe Rogan?

  We'll have to edit this out too, sorry folks.

• 2:05:55Speaker 02

  And you can.

• 2:05:55Joe Rogan?

  Elsie Cook's Put Me Down Easy. Damn, that was very good.

• 2:06:00Speaker 02

  And I just, just the lyrics hit me so hard when he's like, look, I know you're gonna screw me over. Will you just?

• 2:06:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:06Speaker 02

  Don't make me, just do it quick.

• 2:06:07Joe Rogan?

  Put me down easy, baby.

• 2:06:08Speaker 02

  Just do it fast, dude. Just get it over with.

• 2:06:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, don't drag this out.

• 2:06:12Speaker 02

  Just get it over with.

• 2:06:13Joe Rogan?

  Don't pretend we might get back together again.

• 2:06:14Speaker 02

  Oh, it's such a good song. But he, but that's what I mean is like, just cause they're brothers.

• 2:06:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:20Speaker 02

  But that's, it sounds like Sam reimagined. It's almost like AI Sam.

• 2:06:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:25Speaker 02

  Cause I love Sam Cooke, but that sounds exactly like him.

• 2:06:28Joe Rogan?

  There's a bunch of those guys from back in the day that kind of slipped through the cracks.

• 2:06:32Speaker 02

  Right, they never, they never got the thing.

• 2:06:34Joe Rogan?

  There's just, some of them, like, they had some great ass songs. What is that Strawberry Fields guy? I think Gillis told us about it.

• 2:06:43Speaker 02

  Who, the kid that plays, uh?

• 2:06:44Joe Rogan?

  Remember that one, Jamie? Do you remember that song? It's on the Spotify. Hey, let me see if I can find it, cause it's on my Spotify playlist. Chat GPT, uh, Chat GPT rather is still listening to me, that bitch.

• 2:06:57Speaker 02

  I turned that shit off.

• 2:06:59Joe Rogan?

  She wants to know. Where are you getting your information from? Do you ever feel bad about what you say?

• 2:07:05Speaker 02

  Did she say that? That sounds so funny.

• 2:07:07Joe Rogan?

  No, that would be funny, though.

• 2:07:08Speaker 02

  Joe Rogan, your perspective is just yours.

• 2:07:10Joe Rogan?

  Here it is. Strawberry Letter twenty-three. By Shuggy Otis.

• 2:07:15Speaker 00

  That's a cover song.

• 2:07:17Joe Rogan?

  Is it?

• 2:07:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's, it's probably, it's, uh, originally by the Brothers Johnson.

• 2:07:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's a cover song?

• 2:07:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, I heard this, it's in a, uh, it's, oh, I was high as shit.

• 2:07:26Joe Rogan?

  Here's my fate, but, it's like, that's such a good song.

• 2:07:29Speaker 00

  I heard in the background of another song, I was like, do you guys hear that? Is anyone hearing that? No one was, knew what the fuck I was talking about.

• 2:07:34Speaker 02

  You're baked out of your head.

• 2:07:35Joe Rogan?

  You know what else? You wanna hear the number one? This is the number one most ridiculous song that for some reason or another, the guy didn't become famous. This is from nineteen sixty-nine, it's a guy named Johnny Thunder. And he made this song called I'm Alive. And Brian Simpson brought it into the green room in the mothership, he's like, this is gonna be one of your new favorite songs, like, you gotta listen to this song. And I, I played it in the green room, and I was like, oh my god.

• 2:08:02Speaker 02

  I'm Alive.

• 2:08:03Joe Rogan?

  And then, and then we had to look it up, and we, we, there was a bunch of misinformation and disinformation online, couldn't figure out who this cat was. Apparently, he recorded this song, it was a cover of another song, that had been recorded by another artist, like, a band that was pretty famous, I forget who it was. Who's the other band that recorded it? Like, a known name. And his version is so much better. It's so much better, it's so good.

• 2:08:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:31Joe Rogan?

  That you listen to this and you're like, oh, this guy's gonna be famous, there's no way. Like, if I was living in nineteen sixty-nine, and I heard that song on the radio, I'm like, oh, we got a new superstar, who's this guy?

• 2:08:41Speaker 02

  Did he die early, is that what it is? He died young?

• 2:08:44Joe Rogan?

  I don't know when he died. I think we looked that up as well. When did Johnny Thunder die?

• 2:08:50Speaker 00

  He actually has the first recording of it.

• 2:08:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he recorded it, but it was not his, uh, song. It was the other band's song. What's the other band? Well, that might not even be true, right?

• 2:08:59Speaker 00

  That's what I'm looking for.

• 2:09:00Joe Rogan?

  They might have fucked him over. I'm like, no, we're gonna do our version.

• 2:09:04Speaker 02

  That's our song.

• 2:09:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, excuse me, my lawyer is gonna contact you.

• 2:09:09Speaker 02

  How many times did that happen? They were like, this is a good song. That's Elvis's song now.

• 2:09:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Elvis's own song. Yeah. If you wanna sue Elvis, try to get that song back. Good luck.

• 2:09:16Speaker 00

  Tom Jones actually recorded it too.

• 2:09:17Speaker 02

  Tom Jones?

• 2:09:18Joe Rogan?

  Tom Jones, but that was afterwards, correct?

• 2:09:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, way later.

• 2:09:20Joe Rogan?

  Who was the other band, though, that recorded it?

• 2:09:21Speaker 00

  Deep Purple had a version of it and another group had another version. Deep Purple?

• 2:09:25Speaker 02

  Deep Purple.

• 2:09:26Joe Rogan?

  That's it. Deep Purple was famous. Goddamn, that's a good song.

• 2:09:31Joe Rogan?

  Woo!

• 2:09:31Speaker 02

  That's a damn good song.

• 2:09:32Joe Rogan?

  That's a damn good song. I would bet everything I had in 1969. I'm like, Johnny, you're gonna be huge.

• 2:09:38Speaker 02

  Huge.

• 2:09:39Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna be huge. I could see it right now. Madison Square Garden, Johnny Thunder, sold out. I'm a man! Oh, my god.

• 2:09:45Speaker 02

  How is that? That feels like a Tarantino movie. Do you know what I mean?

• 2:09:49Joe Rogan?

  The guy like that, the guy is that good? You just write him songs, you fucking assholes.

• 2:09:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, just give him the songs.

• 2:09:54Joe Rogan?

  Get a team together. Get Johnny a nice apartment. Johnny, we got it.

• 2:10:00Speaker 00

  Wow, he just died a year ago.

• 2:10:01Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:10:02Speaker 02

  He died last year.

• 2:10:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, last year in Winter Park, Florida.

• 2:10:04Joe Rogan?

  Fuck.

• 2:10:05Speaker 02

  How old?

• 2:10:05Speaker 00

  Ninety-three.

• 2:10:06Joe Rogan?

  Wow. That might have been when Brian Simpson brought that song. No, we were talking about it more than a year ago.

• 2:10:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, cuz it made it on the commercials and stuff after the fact.

• 2:10:13Joe Rogan?

  That's right. So we started talking about it, and then it made it into commercials. Like, they started using it for, like, Jeep commercials or some shit. I don't know if it was Jeep. What was it?

• 2:10:21Speaker 00

  Samsung and Lincoln. And, uh, something else.

• 2:10:26Speaker 02

  He dies, you talk about it, it goes viral. They're like, we should use that song.

• 2:10:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm glad they did, just so people, more people hear it. But there's people like that that just sort of slip through the cracks of history. And for whatever reason, we don't need, never hear about it. But that guy's, that guy was good.

• 2:10:41Speaker 02

  That's very, very good.

• 2:10:42Joe Rogan?

  That's like platinum-selling album good. Like, you hear that song, like, oh gee, okay, we got it. All we need is a bunch of those.

• 2:10:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Just churn those out.

• 2:10:53Joe Rogan?

  Listen, we got a bunch of guys that are like Chris Stapleton-type dudes who just write songs. Like, there's, like, if you're- Nashville person, there are songwriters, professionals who will sit down and they will come up with a fucking jam for you. And then, you know, you just fucking start doing arenas. Let's go.

• 2:11:11Speaker 02

  Let's go.

• 2:11:12Joe Rogan?

  Why are you driving a fucking regular car?

• 2:11:14Speaker 02

  Johnny, Johnny Thunder?

• 2:11:15Joe Rogan?

  Johnny Thunder.

• 2:11:16Speaker 02

  Johnny Thunder, let's go.

• 2:11:17Joe Rogan?

  Johnny Thunder, you need a Mercedes Benz S-Class, Johnny Thunder.

• 2:11:21Speaker 02

  You want a limo, Johnny Thunder?

• 2:11:22Joe Rogan?

  Johnny Thunder, you need to start flying private.

• 2:11:28Joe Rogan?

  There's certain guys like that, you're like, man, he just didn't have the right team around him.

• 2:11:32Speaker 02

  Or something else, or he was making more, or life got in the way, or he was making more money working on other people's shit.

• 2:11:38Joe Rogan?

  Self saboteur.

• 2:11:39Speaker 02

  That is a big one.

• 2:11:40Joe Rogan?

  Some people are self saboteurs.

• 2:11:41Speaker 02

  We know these people in the business.

• 2:11:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, man. There's a lot of guys that we both came up with that, you know, you look back and you go, I thought that guy was gonna be huge.

• 2:11:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, I think about that all. There's a few people that I know that, that, it bums me out, cause you're like, what were you afraid of? That, the thing? Cause you could have had it.

• 2:12:01Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if it's that. I think there's a, a lot of it is just being on your own. And not having any kind of support in terms of like a community of friends. And that's a lot of the reason why a lot of people, as they get older especially, start behaving really irrationally and losing their minds. Is they're alone, essentially. They don't have a family, they dedicated their entire life to their career.

• 2:12:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:12:25Joe Rogan?

  And then they get to a certain age and there's no one who's really excited about them out there in the world. And they get real bitter.

• 2:12:33Speaker 02

  That's very sad.

• 2:12:34Joe Rogan?

  It's very sad, but they just, they missed out on the fun part. The fun part is having a bunch of friends. Like, that's the fun part.

• 2:12:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:42Joe Rogan?

  It's the most fun part. Like Stan Hope said this famously once, he said, I could quit comedy, but I could ne- never quit comics.

• 2:12:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like that is more fun even than doing stand up is hanging out with comics.

• 2:12:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:57Joe Rogan?

  And we're all just being silly together. It's fun. Like we were in Chicago a couple of weeks ago.

• 2:13:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:02Joe Rogan?

  What a great time. We had a great fucking time.

• 2:13:03Speaker 02

  It's the best.

• 2:13:04Joe Rogan?

  Santino sat right behind me while the fights are going on. We had some fucking great food.

• 2:13:08Speaker 02

  Dude, that was, that was a, we had late night, uh, we had late night Italian beef.

• 2:13:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was great.

• 2:13:13Speaker 02

  You know how cool the day that was for me? I went to the Cubs game. I sat behind home plate and then I went right from the Cubs game to come see you.

• 2:13:18Joe Rogan?

  That's amazing.

• 2:13:18Speaker 02

  That was like a monumentous day. I told my cousin Luke, I was like, this is like gonna be one of the best days I've had and it just, like I was riding on a high all day.

• 2:13:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:13:26Speaker 02

  Cruising.

• 2:13:27Joe Rogan?

  What a day.

• 2:13:28Speaker 02

  Well, and last night I was at your club having a fun time with all the boys. Gillis came down and, you know, when he comes down and asks you, you know, that's when, yeah, he starts it up, dude.

• 2:13:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I know. He's the best. That club's got a great vibe, man. Really does. It's got a great vibe. And that's the thing. It's like if you're on the outside, you look at it and you go, oh, fuck those people. That's a completely normal way to react.

• 2:13:49Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 2:13:49Joe Rogan?

  It's completely normal.

• 2:13:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:51Joe Rogan?

  But we're not saying fuck you. Like, trust me. Just relax.

• 2:13:55Speaker 02

  Just relax, dude.

• 2:13:56Joe Rogan?

  Come give me a hug. Come give me a hug. We're all okay. We, we should not be worried about this stupid shit. And this is one of the things that I always hope happens when there's a tragedy, like a public figure gets executed, is people just start, just have a little grace, just to give people a little grace. Just, just.

• 2:14:17Speaker 02

  A little bit more.

• 2:14:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, take the temperature down, America. Cause regardless of who shot that guy, that guy was shot and then the reaction was horrible and then the reaction to the reaction is equally horrible. Everyone's horrible, right? We're a community. We're supposed to be a community, you know? It's not supposed to be right versus left. That's stupid. We don't want to do World War III in the continental United States. We don't want another fucking civil war. That's crazy. Just, we need to stop. Just stop being so divisive and stop rewarding politicians for being so divisive.

• 2:14:54Speaker 02

  Jimmy Kimmel returns.

• 2:14:56Joe Rogan?

  ABC and suspension starting Tuesday. See, called it.

• 2:14:59Speaker 02

  You did.

• 2:15:00Joe Rogan?

  Called it.

• 2:15:00Speaker 02

  You know what's interesting? You know what I thought he was gonna do is get into different media now, like Conan with this podcast. I thought he was gonna do that too.

• 2:15:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, that probably would be a good thing for him to do.

• 2:15:08Speaker 02

  I could see him doing that.

• 2:15:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they're really smart to do this because the, the wave of people watching, I bet he gets the highest ratings he's ever had.

• 2:15:15Speaker 02

  Ever, ever, ever.

• 2:15:15Joe Rogan?

  They'll be nuts. Yeah, the ratings will be nuts.

• 2:15:18Speaker 02

  Look at that, coming back.

• 2:15:19Joe Rogan?

  Listen, man, it's like, you can't, it's the Streisand effect. You can't do that. You can't remove someone for talking badly about you in 2025, if that's what happened.

• 2:15:31Speaker 02

  If that is the way, if that's what happened, yeah.

• 2:15:33Joe Rogan?

  If that's what happened. I suspect there's a lot of factors. One of the factors is declining ratings, right? So as the ratings go down, then people get more and more sensitive about subject matter, more and more sensitive about advertising. Because, you know, you're already like, the show is kind of in a bad direction as it is. Look, the ratings are dropping because people are getting annoyed with it being too political, or whatever narrative they could say, right? And, you know, there's advertisers that get upset because they might be right wing. "It is a decision we made because we felt some of the comments were ill-timed and thus insensitive," the statement said. "We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday." Good, good.

• 2:16:19Joe Rogan?

  Good, good. So, in my mind, in my mind, he wins, right? He wins. But, you know, take the temperature down, everybody. Like, we don't want more killings. We want to figure out what's the right thing for everybody. And classifying someone, like, I've heard people say the worst shit about Charlie Kirk post his death. And like I said, I wasn't too aware of what the stuff that he had done. I was aware of some of the things that he'd done that were really brilliant, some conversations that he had that I thought were very kind. And I was aware of some of the things that he said, I was like, "Oh, why'd you put it that way?" You know, like, "Why did you say that?" Like, that's, you're just, even if you, you're, even if it's possible to take something like that out of context, it makes you look terrible.

• 2:17:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:17:04Joe Rogan?

  But it is just out of context, that's the problem. But out of context works in this day and age. So I just wish he hadn't said the things that he said the way he said them, but I don't think he's an evil person. So to celebrate the murder of a person that I think is genuine, generally, a very kind and a very nice person, who was just good at debating, but not always even totally accurate. Like, there's been some, some good critiques of some of the debates that he had with college kids that are online, where he's like, no, he's not correct with what he said. Like, he was, one of the things is about George Floyd. And he was, he kept saying that the medical examiner said that George Floyd would have died of that overdose.

• 2:17:48Joe Rogan?

  That's not true, and we've heard that too, and so then we looked it up, right? And it wasn't, the medical examiner didn't say that, correct? I don't think that's true, and I think he had already printed a retraction. But see, this is the problem with like a debate in a microphone, in a public place where people are cheering and screaming, and you're trying to form your argument, you're not even good at doing it, and you're doing it to a guy who's a professional at doing this. And it's like, it's a stupid way to have conversations, but better than no way at all, right? And in those colleges, you don't get any of those kind of conversations with your professors.

• 2:18:29Speaker 02

  That's why it was really healthy for him to, that's, I think, you know, a lot of people say, oh, he targeted young people. And you're like, well, there's two ways to look at that. One, it's because I feel like they are the most susceptible to maybe hearing you out, right? You're not changing my dad's mind, I'll tell you that. He's not gonna fucking, he's got his perspective.

• 2:18:45Joe Rogan?

  His feet above the couch, shut the fuck up.

• 2:18:47Speaker 02

  No, but I think that, and then the other side is, it's not to prove that he was gonna outwit these people. I think it was to have actual discourse and to start discourse on campus.

• 2:18:55Joe Rogan?

  It was also to get popular.

• 2:18:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, he wanted to be famous, yeah.

• 2:18:58Joe Rogan?

  He's doing this and spreading these ideas, but he believed in it, and he's very religious. But here's the thing, like, he's not this terrible person that they're trying to make him out to be. So to take a 31-year-old guy who's a father, and he's got two very young children, and he's married, he's got a family, he's got this wife who loves him, and to cheer that he got shot in the head for his ideas, we've lost the plot. Like, we've lost the plot. If there's a group of children out there in college, young people out there, rather, young, young adults, that are cheering, and then older adults too, who are cheering this. My friend was in a coffee shop. And this lady was beside him on a Zoom call.

• 2:19:42Joe Rogan?

  And she's, this is like right after Charlie Kirk was killed. And she gets on her Zoom call and she goes, "Well, I had an unexpectedly great day today. How about you, girls?" And they were like, "Today was amazing." And they weren't really saying why today was amazing, but it was very clear that they were celebrating the fact that this guy who was a father and a husband was murdered before his ideas. That's not the way to do it, folks.

• 2:20:11Speaker 02

  You may not like what the guy says, for god's sake. I didn't like everything the guy said. But, but when they, but people were like...

• 2:20:17Joe Rogan?

  It's so short sighted.

• 2:20:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is what we need. You're like, dude, how, what, how was your brain functioning like that?

• 2:20:21Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy. It's so crazy. It's, it's all just infected by social media. And all these people who think like this are all online almost all day.

• 2:20:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, they live in it.

• 2:20:31Joe Rogan?

  Yes, they live in it. They're, they're in the shit all day long, like reading the comments and you're getting poisoned. You're losing your humanity. That's not a normal way to think.

• 2:20:42Speaker 02

  Go outside.

• 2:20:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're, you need more than that. You need mushrooms and hugs. You need a lot. But this, this fucking thing that we're all caught in, this tide of electronics is leading us in that direction. It's like an inhuman reaction. Like you, you've, you're separated from the norm of human interaction. Like the warmth of a person's smile and give me a hug, like all that stuff that, how many times have you been in a conversation with a person, you disagreed with them and you both start laughing at the end of it?

• 2:21:13Speaker 02

  That's every comic conversation I have, yeah.

• 2:21:15Joe Rogan?

  But online, it doesn't happen that way.

• 2:21:18Speaker 02

  No, it can't.

• 2:21:18Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't even happen sometimes with people you know. Like, like I was in the woods in Utah for a week. I was out there elk hunting and there's no service out there. There's like a little bit of service at like, one peak you get at, you could make a few phone calls and check text messages. And so I was getting some text messages that were showing me that Kimmel got... Fired. And like, oh, look at this. Jesus Christ. This is crazy. And my thought was, what did he say? Oh, my God. What did he say? He said something about Charlie Kirk after he got killed. That's crazy. Then I saw what he said. I was like, well, that's not that bad.

• 2:21:52Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:21:53Joe Rogan?

  That's not accurate, but it's like, in my mind, as a comic, I'm like, he's just setting up this bit. I'm like, and then I'm watching everybody freak out about this. Like, and then I saw, okay, am I looking at it wrong? Okay, it is kind of misleading because he's kind of saying that

• 2:22:10Joe Rogan?

  they're trying to label this person as anyone other than themselves, which is like a little weird.

• 2:22:15Speaker 02

  Political finger pointing.

• 2:22:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so that's not, that's, that's inaccurate. But instead, I didn't get upset. I didn't understand. And then I started really realizing that people were upset at me because I wasn't saying anything. I wasn't in support of it. I was like, I'll show you a picture where I am right now.

• 2:22:34Speaker 02

  Hunting elk.

• 2:22:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like literally. This is a, this is a picture where I was.

• 2:22:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:40Joe Rogan?

  I was up in the mountains, but even then, like, you don't get to tell people what they should and shouldn't comment on while you're silent about Gaza.

• 2:22:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, what are you talking about?

• 2:22:52Joe Rogan?

  If I check, if I go through your social media and there's no organized outrage about what's happening right now in Gaza, and you're upset that there's, there's a comedian that got, for a few days, got, his show got stopped because he said mean things about the president, like, there's another shit in the world that might be more important than this, and you might need medication. You might, you might be a fucking crazy shut-in. You might be a person that's addicted to your phone. Get the fuck outside.

• 2:23:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, get off your fucking phone.

• 2:23:26Joe Rogan?

  It don't require other people to comment on things. You know, I read one comic said, if you don't, if you have a big platform and you're not commenting, all I could see is how much you love the taste of boot leather, like, settle.

• 2:23:38Speaker 02

  Shut the fuck up.

• 2:23:39Joe Rogan?

  Settle down.

• 2:23:40Speaker 02

  Or I'm with my family right now, having a meal.

• 2:23:43Joe Rogan?

  This is one of the reasons why I've been off social media for like the last seven, eight months, mostly. Like, I'll look at it occasionally. I hardly ever post, and if I do post, it's just stuff about shows. Like, I did a show here, here's a picture of this fun thing. That's it. But I don't read anything about me at all. I know guys that have lost their minds. They're in that all day long, having conversations with people on Twitter all day long, debating points, arguing stuff all day long, making response videos, making other videos, going and talking about it on a podcast. Like, what are you doing with your life, man?

• 2:24:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's weird.

• 2:24:17Joe Rogan?

  This is nuts.

• 2:24:18Speaker 02

  Well, everybody raised, a lot of these people that were like, uh, boycott ABC and Disney, cancel it. And I was like, well, don't do that.

• 2:24:26Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, they made video. Ron Perlman made a video.

• 2:24:29Speaker 02

  It's like, I'm on there.

• 2:24:29Joe Rogan?

  How he subscribed and then unsubscribed. Fuck you.

• 2:24:32Speaker 02

  What are you doing, dude?

• 2:24:32Joe Rogan?

  Like, settle down.

• 2:24:34Speaker 02

  Relax, relax.

• 2:24:35Joe Rogan?

  But also, if it is that the government tried to silence Jimmy Kimmel because they were trying to push through some sort of merger and he doesn't like Jimmy Kimmel, so they try, like, yeah, that should be exposed.

• 2:24:48Speaker 02

  That's fucked up.

• 2:24:49Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna need to see some emails.

• 2:24:50Speaker 02

  I wanna see them emails, baby.

• 2:24:52Joe Rogan?

  I wanna see some emails. I wanna, this is one of the reasons why you need that Israeli spying software.

• 2:24:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, we gotta get that.

• 2:24:58Joe Rogan?

  We need it all. Everyone needs it. We have no encryption, no encryption anymore. We need to all read each other's phones. I need to know, what did you guys plan?

• 2:25:04Speaker 02

  What'd you say? Show me what you said.

• 2:25:06Joe Rogan?

  Show me.

• 2:25:06Speaker 02

  Show me what you said.

• 2:25:07Joe Rogan?

  Show me.

• 2:25:08Speaker 02

  Show it right now.

• 2:25:09Joe Rogan?

  You son of a bitch.

• 2:25:09Speaker 02

  I think they're gonna come out and find out. There will, we'll find out. It'll get exposed.

• 2:25:13Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, tell me if this is true, that there is a, um, this is something that someone sent me, that every Samsung phone from 2022 on has something installed in it called AppCloud.

• 2:25:32Speaker 02

  AppCloud?

• 2:25:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it's a backdoor and it allows you, here, I'll send you this thing, Jamie. Uh, I do not know if this is true. It sounds ridiculous. It allows someone to potentially get into your phone. But I, I asked a friend of mine who's a legit expert in this kind of shit. He said, all he needs is your phone number. All that stuff is nonsense. I go, really? He goes, yes.

• 2:25:54Speaker 02

  It's that easy?

• 2:25:55Joe Rogan?

  It's that easy. With Pegasus 2, he goes, all he needs is your phone number. So all this thing of like backdoor apps, like, eh.

• 2:26:00Speaker 02

  So what? They need your phone number? They can just access everything?

• 2:26:03Joe Rogan?

  Everything.

• 2:26:03Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:26:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's a joke.

• 2:26:06Speaker 02

  Why aren't we doing that then to people that we need to access their phones?

• 2:26:08Joe Rogan?

  The only way, well, they do. That's how the Israelis fucked everybody up. You gotta give it to them, dude. Them pagers, like, that was one of the most-

• 2:26:15Speaker 02

  That pager shit was wild.

• 2:26:16Joe Rogan?

  Genius shit. One of the most genius fucking operations I've ever heard a government pull off. Send people pagers. Keep the pa- they have those pagers for a long time before they blew them up.

• 2:26:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're like, "Yeah, yeah, send them out, go use them."

• 2:26:28Joe Rogan?

  How long did they have those pagers before they detonated them, Jamie? I wanna say it was over a year.

• 2:26:33Speaker 02

  It was like a government-sponsored program? They gave them to these people, right? Is that what it was?

• 2:26:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, the, the thing is, they were using pagers because they knew that if they were using cell phones, that the Israelis had electronics that could read everything.

• 2:26:46Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 2:26:46Joe Rogan?

  So, they, they could spy on all their phones. So, to get around that, they decided to use pagers. So, the Israelis knew that they were gonna use pagers, cuz they have people embedded in these organizations. They have people that are literally acting like they're Hezbollah or Hamas. They're inside there, and then they're Israelis. And so, these people got a hold of their order before, so they, they order a bunch of pagers. They get a hold of it, rig it with detonations, rig it with explosives, repackage it, send it to them. So then, they get it, like, "Good, got the pager. Fuck these Israelis." And they put this, they're putting a little bomb right next to your dick.

• 2:27:25Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 2:27:25Joe Rogan?

  And you're walking around with this thing for, I think, a year or so.

• 2:27:29Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 2:27:31Joe Rogan?

  I can't hear you.

• 2:27:32Speaker 02

  I'm saying five months.

• 2:27:33Joe Rogan?

  Five months.

• 2:27:34Speaker 02

  No, no, the actual, but it wasn't, yeah, it didn't all happen at once.

• 2:27:37Joe Rogan?

  Okay, five, it went on for how long?

• 2:27:40Speaker 02

  An hour.

• 2:27:41Joe Rogan?

  An hour. So, for an hour,

• 2:27:47Joe Rogan?

  everywhere you look, pagers are blowing up on dudes' dicks. And think about where your pager is. It's right there.

• 2:27:52Speaker 02

  Right there.

• 2:27:52Joe Rogan?

  Right where your balls are. Boom! Big ol' bowling ball hole where your legs used to be.

• 2:27:58Speaker 02

  Wild.

• 2:27:59Joe Rogan?

  Wild. And they planned it out months and months in advance. How about what they did to the Iranians? Do you know what they did with them?

• 2:28:05Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:28:05Joe Rogan?

  They, they had this, this thing, they, they made a phone call, "We need a meeting of everybody, meet in the bunker." And they met them, but it was a prank phone call. So, all these Iranian guys, they met in the bunker, and they fucking dusted that bunker. They just blew it apart, yeah.

• 2:28:19Speaker 02

  Well, they thought it was coming from the higher order, and they were like, "Yeah, we'll see you down there."

• 2:28:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, boy, we're under attack. Let's go meet at the bunker. Boom!

• 2:28:24Speaker 02

  That's nuts, dude.

• 2:28:25Joe Rogan?

  Genius.

• 2:28:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:27Joe Rogan?

  Genius.

• 2:28:27Speaker 02

  They know what they're doing. They're plotting.

• 2:28:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they're real good at it. They're real good at it. Yeah, they're real good at it.

• 2:28:35Joe Rogan?

  It's uncomfortable.

• 2:28:36Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 2:28:38Joe Rogan?

  You know, if I was Jewish, I'd be like, yeah, we're the best. Bro, we fucking, we rule.

• 2:28:44Speaker 02

  Have you seen it?

• 2:28:45Joe Rogan?

  We rule at this shit.

• 2:28:45Speaker 02

  Have you seen what we've been doing?

• 2:28:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're nuts. Get everybody to come over here, put the hat on.

• 2:28:50Speaker 02

  Put the hat on.

• 2:28:51Joe Rogan?

  Did you see that Benjamin Netanyahu gave like this two minute speech about how offensive it was that people said that Israel killed Charlie Kirk?

• 2:29:01Speaker 02

  No, but he just made it, he made, he just talked about it.

• 2:29:03Joe Rogan?

  Made some video about it and I was like.

• 2:29:05Speaker 02

  No one said that.

• 2:29:06Joe Rogan?

  Like, what?

• 2:29:08Speaker 02

  I've never heard that.

• 2:29:08Joe Rogan?

  Tell me more.

• 2:29:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, who said that?

• 2:29:10Joe Rogan?

  Tell me more. Who's saying this?

• 2:29:13Speaker 02

  See, that's the kind of shit that I think when they plant information like that, and then it becomes true, right? Because then people online do start saying it.

• 2:29:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:20Speaker 02

  So you're just feeding the, the, the false narrative becomes a real narrative. And he goes, see?

• 2:29:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, it could be that he got hoodwinked, that like, he's an older dude, right? So he's probably not on TikTok. He's probably doesn't have his thumb to the pulse of the young people and someone comes in like, cause like Trump didn't understand when he would go to his vac, his rallies and he would talk about the vaccine, the people would boo. He didn't understand, it's like, why are they booing? The vaccine was amazing. I did it. It was all me. And they're like, no, no, no, we don't like the vaccine. He didn't know. So he doesn't have his thumb on the pulse.

• 2:29:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:29:50Joe Rogan?

  So if someone comes to him, BB, they're saying we did it. We didn't do it. They're saying we did it. You really need to respond.

• 2:29:56Speaker 02

  Well, I'll tell people that we didn't do it.

• 2:29:57Joe Rogan?

  And then he goes out and responds, well, he looks like he did it now.

• 2:29:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:30:00Joe Rogan?

  Right? And that could be a trick. Cause there's still a bunch of people in Israel trying to get rid of him too.

• 2:30:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:30:04Joe Rogan?

  Like the day of October 7th, the day before, there was thousands of people in the streets protesting him.

• 2:30:12Speaker 02

  Right. They don't like him.

• 2:30:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's some people that do, there's some people that don't.

• 2:30:15Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 2:30:16Joe Rogan?

  Just like Trump, you know, you could say, oh, the Americans hate Trump. No, half the Americans hate Trump. Half the Americans think he's the shit. They love it. They think, they're like tired. They're tired of liberals. They're tired of people with blue hair screaming in their face. They're tired.

• 2:30:28Speaker 02

  And there's a contingent of people that don't give a fuck, but they're like, that's fine. I don't care.

• 2:30:31Joe Rogan?

  They'll, they don't, they'll join the Republicans because the other people are so annoying. At least the Republicans leave him alone. That's what happens.

• 2:30:39Speaker 02

  They just want to be left alone.

• 2:30:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you guys are screeching and telling people what to do and what they have to say. Like, you know, you, you do what I tell you to, you take that post down. Like you, you do what the fuck? Yeah, yeah, yeah. See what I'm saying?

• 2:30:51Speaker 02

  Take that post down.

• 2:30:52Joe Rogan?

  You take that post down. They, they want control over you.

• 2:30:55Speaker 02

  Expressing your opinions.

• 2:30:57Joe Rogan?

  That ain't good from either side, kids.

• 2:30:59Speaker 00

  That's dangerous. There's something with the AppCloud thing. Uh, I found the post you posted, but I just asked Grok instead to see what it said. What did Grok say?

• 2:31:07Joe Rogan?

  Grok says it's a pre-installed system service on many Samsung Galaxy smartphones, particularly mid-range and budget models like the A series as well as some of the S series device, devices. Depending on the carrier or region, it functions as an app recommendation and installation tool that suggests and promotes third-party apps, often games and promotional content, based on user behavior, location, and preferences. This is part of Samsung's partnerships with carriers and app developers to generate revenue by subsidizing device costs through the preloaded or suggested installs. Boy, I don't like all that language.

• 2:31:40Speaker 00

  There is a bunch of videos and posts about how to take it off and how to disable it, but there's.

• 2:31:45Joe Rogan?

  So it's widely viewed as bloatware or adware due to its intrusive nature. It can be easily uninstalled, oh, it can't be easily uninstalled, and notifications are non-dismissible. Oh, that's gross. It's not essential for core phone function, is often absence from carrier-free or unlocked devices bought directly from Samsung. Okay, so it's not a Samsung issue. It's someone else puts it on a Samsung phone. There's no verified evidence supporting claims of data being sent to external entities like intelligent firms. These appear to stem from misinformation on social media. Or...

• 2:32:22Speaker 00

  Or...

• 2:32:23Joe Rogan?

  You're lying!

• 2:32:24Speaker 00

  I'll add, when I looked it up, uh, this post people were posting on Instagram two days ago, it mentions IronSource, which that did not. So I Googled IronSource. And it's an Israeli software company.

• 2:32:38Joe Rogan?

  Israeli software company, now part of Unity that provides a platform for mobile app creators to monetize their apps through user acquisition and advertising. Funded in 2010, significant presence in Tel Aviv. Company has merged with the US gaming firm Unity in November 2022 to form an end-to-end platform for the app economy. What does that mean?

• 2:32:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, so I, I mean.

• 2:32:59Joe Rogan?

  What is all that? What'd you just say?

• 2:33:00Speaker 02

  What did you say?

• 2:33:02Joe Rogan?

  What did you say?

• 2:33:03Speaker 02

  What did you say, man?

• 2:33:04Joe Rogan?

  What are you talking about?

• 2:33:05Speaker 02

  Israelis, iron source trades in New York.

• 2:33:07Joe Rogan?

  Bro, they are the best at it. They figured out Pegasus. That's how whoever got Jeff Bezos got him. They got him through a WhatsApp link. So that was the first Pegasus. I'd send you a WhatsApp message like, Santino, you gotta check this out. And you'd be like, what is it? And so you check out some, you know, some X article that I send you. But as you're clicking on it, it puts an exploit into your phone. So now they have full access to your phone.

• 2:33:31Speaker 02

  Fuck.

• 2:33:31Joe Rogan?

  They get all your dick pics, all your photos, all your dirty little text messages.

• 2:33:36Speaker 02

  All my dick pics are from Jamie.

• 2:33:37Joe Rogan?

  But now with Pegasus 2, all they need is your phone number.

• 2:33:40Speaker 02

  Fuck.

• 2:33:42Joe Rogan?

  Just your phone number.

• 2:33:43Speaker 02

  Bonkers.

• 2:33:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:45Speaker 02

  That's so dark.

• 2:33:45Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts.

• 2:33:47Speaker 02

  How can they protect that? You can't protect that.

• 2:33:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's, it's really hard. And then you think, well, I'll just use encrypt apps. Encrypted apps like...

• 2:33:55Speaker 02

  Well, WhatsApp does that, right?

• 2:33:56Joe Rogan?

  WhatsApp, yeah. And then there's also Signal. And then there's like Telegram and a few other ones, but... They can get in those too if they want to. They did it with Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson was going to, um, to the Soviet Union. Or, doesn't exist anymore. He was going to Russia to talk to, well, see, that was a Freudian, because they're probably trying to bring that bitch back. He was going to Russia to try to meet with Putin and they found out and they contacted him and they said, we read your signal. And he's like, what? I didn't even know you could do that.

• 2:34:26Speaker 02

  What did he say on the, what was it?

• 2:34:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, his Signal chat was, he was going back and forth with someone about setting up a meeting with Putin. And so the State Department, or whoever it was, whoever it was in the Biden administration, made the call.

• 2:34:42Speaker 02

  You read your Signal.

• 2:34:43Joe Rogan?

  Made the call to spend an extraordinary amount of money to unencrypt his Signal.

• 2:34:48Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 2:34:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and read his messages. Because, you know, you're not supposed to be talking to people you don't like.

• 2:34:54Speaker 02

  Can't be talking to people you don't like.

• 2:34:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. We might, might get a wrong opinion of who that person is, which I kinda get it. I know what you're saying. Uh, I don't ever think that not talking to people is the solution, but I do understand what they're saying.

• 2:35:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, but traditionally, don't we usually try to talk to people so we can try to figure out?

• 2:35:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:12Speaker 02

  How we can make some headway?

• 2:35:13Joe Rogan?

  It would be the better option for everybody, especially if cooler heads could prevail. But the thing about this Ukraine-Russia thing is like, I think Trump grossly underestimated the amount of work that it's gonna take to stop this.

• 2:35:28Joe Rogan?

  You know, when he got, but when he was running, he was saying that one day, get me in the office and one day I'll have a deal. No, there's

• 2:35:35Speaker 02

  No deal.

• 2:35:36Joe Rogan?

  There's no deal. And the thing is like Putin is very smart. He's not gonna, you know, he's gonna play. He's like gonna cat and mouse this. Like you can't just say, I'm gonna be able to do a deal with Putin. You know, because I'm the alpha. He's like, really?

• 2:35:52Speaker 02

  It's not how it works.

• 2:35:53Joe Rogan?

  I feel like pushing into Poland, you know, and like things could get real squirrely because of that. Cause you can't, that's a, that's a former KGB guy. Who is like a Russian nationalist, right? Like he's, he's the president of Russia for how long now? How long has he been running Russia?

• 2:36:14Speaker 02

  Forever. I mean, since I can remember. I don't know. How long has he been around?

• 2:36:17Joe Rogan?

  You can't out alpha that guy.

• 2:36:20Speaker 02

  No, he's the guy.

• 2:36:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, maybe you can have some sort of a deal could be made. But if you think you're gonna be able to say, I'll have a deal tomorrow. He's like, nah.

• 2:36:29Speaker 02

  No, you won't.

• 2:36:29Joe Rogan?

  I don't think so. I'm going to the woods. I'm going to go fuck something.

• 2:36:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:34Joe Rogan?

  I think you'll wait. He's riding a bear with no shirt on.

• 2:36:38Speaker 02

  I think you have to wait. I will ride bear.

• 2:36:41Joe Rogan?

  You know, there's a lot of people that think he might be one of the richest men alive.

• 2:36:44Speaker 02

  Well, they don't disclose, so who knows?

• 2:36:46Joe Rogan?

  He has no idea. No one has any idea how much money he has, you know? And he's not gonna just listen to you.

• 2:36:52Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:36:52Joe Rogan?

  You're poor to him.

• 2:36:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, you mean nothing.

• 2:36:54Joe Rogan?

  Trump's only got like a couple billion, like shut up.

• 2:36:56Speaker 02

  You like a couple billion dollar?

• 2:36:58Joe Rogan?

  You're good.

• 2:36:59Speaker 02

  Not bad for you?

• 2:36:59Joe Rogan?

  I have boat your size, size of your entire GDP.

• 2:37:03Speaker 02

  I have yacht the size of White House.

• 2:37:05Joe Rogan?

  They got some crazy ass yachts. They stole too. That was another weird thing during the Ukrainian invasion. Everybody's like, yeah, well, your rich friends were stealing their boats. They stole all the yachts from all the oligarchs. And I was always like, where do those yachts go? Who gets to keep them? What's going on?

• 2:37:22Speaker 02

  Putin.

• 2:37:22Joe Rogan?

  I just.

• 2:37:23Speaker 02

  He's got them.

• 2:37:24Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They stole it from the Russians, the international community.

• 2:37:29Speaker 02

  Where are they now?

• 2:37:31Joe Rogan?

  A lot of them are parked in ports and they have to be maintained because otherwise you lose the value of the boats and those vote. Like a boat, like one of them Russian oligarch yachts, bro, that is millions and millions of dollars every year just to maintain it. Just to maintain it, just to maintain it. And then like every couple of years, you gotta pull it out of the fucking water and they gotta clean it and put new paint on it and like.

• 2:37:55Joe Rogan?

  Do you know how much money that costs?

• 2:37:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:57Joe Rogan?

  You have to be so rich just to maintain it. And then they just took them from them. And then they just have them somewhere. And then the states.

• 2:38:04Speaker 02

  States paying for it.

• 2:38:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:05Joe Rogan?

  Like, there was one of them that was in Italy. And so the Italians had to pay. And they're like, we don't have this fucking money. I don't want to pay for this. Why am I paying for this? They're fucking. I mean, how many? Let's find out. Let's take a guess. How many Russian oligarch yachts were captured? How many do you think were confiscated? If you had to guess. I want to say fourteen.

• 2:38:28Speaker 02

  Oh, I was gonna say. I wanted to say something in a number of like thirty or forty. I mean, the amount of money that's out there in these guys. I mean, it's endless. It's endless. Endless trail of money. I bet you a lot of these people had multiple yachts.

• 2:38:39Joe Rogan?

  I bet.

• 2:38:40Speaker 02

  They got a yacht for a yacht. You got a tug yacht, you know?

• 2:38:42Joe Rogan?

  You got a yacht for your hose.

• 2:38:43Speaker 02

  You got a yacht for the hose.

• 2:38:44Joe Rogan?

  Yacht for your family. Yeah. Yacht for your other family.

• 2:38:50Speaker 02

  They have, they have yachts to get the yachts.

• 2:38:52Joe Rogan?

  Just for cocaine.

• 2:38:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:53Joe Rogan?

  Just, this is cocaine yacht. My cocaine yacht. Look, it's all black, get it? Get it? It's all black, not white, get it? If I trick them. I trick, I'm clever. This is where my cocaine is. It looks, you could find all the coke. Everything is black. The floors, the tables. There's coke everywhere. Two coke. If you lose a little coke, you know where it goes. You just look for white stuff.

• 2:39:14Speaker 02

  You can see.

• 2:39:14Speaker 00

  I haven't found the number yet, but one of them I was looking up. Uh, they got it in Fiji and I was already reading about how they had it shipped back to Hawaii. But now it's for auction.

• 2:39:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:39:25Speaker 00

  And so now I'm like, we should buy it.

• 2:39:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, but now you're gonna be the owner of this Russian guy's yacht that wants it back.

• 2:39:31Joe Rogan?

  No, no, he's gonna understand.

• 2:39:32Speaker 00

  Cause they said he wanted to buy it back.

• 2:39:33Joe Rogan?

  No, no, I'm gonna tell him. I'm gonna tell him, bro, it's mine now, I'm sorry.

• 2:39:38Joe Rogan?

  He'll just let you have it.

• 2:39:39Speaker 02

  Three hundred million.

• 2:39:40Joe Rogan?

  It was worth three hundred million when it was seized in twenty twenty two. Look at the size of it.

• 2:39:46Speaker 00

  It has six decks, I think, is what the.

• 2:39:47Speaker 02

  It's a fucking apartment. Three hundred and forty eight foot vessel.

• 2:39:50Joe Rogan?

  Apartment building.

• 2:39:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:51Joe Rogan?

  Not an apartment.

• 2:39:52Speaker 02

  That's what I meant, apartment, it's apartments.

• 2:39:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:54Speaker 00

  The US government seized the gleaming yacht three years ago when it was docked in a marina in Fiji with local assistance.

• 2:40:01Joe Rogan?

  They argued that the vessel called Amadea, Latin for God's love, was owned by Suleiman Kermov, a Russian oligarch under US sanctions with a network of worth of 16.4 billion, according to Forbes, and ties to President Vladimir Putin of Russia. Isn't that funny? All you have to do is have ties to him and they can steal your boat.

• 2:40:22Speaker 02

  16.4 billion?

• 2:40:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:24Speaker 02

  And that's probably a guess, right?

• 2:40:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's what's weird. It's like ties to him? Like, what are the extent of those ties?

• 2:40:30Speaker 02

  Right, how do they know each other?

• 2:40:31Speaker 00

  Someone else on it on paper, though.

• 2:40:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, on paper, the owner was a different wealthy Russian. Eduard Kudainatov.

• 2:40:38Speaker 02

  You got it.

• 2:40:39Joe Rogan?

  Kudainatov.

• 2:40:40Speaker 02

  Kudainatov.

• 2:40:41Joe Rogan?

  One-time pig breeder, Jesus Christ, who had not been sanctioned by the United States. Mr. Kudainatov's claim on the Amadea began a legal battle that has delayed the yacht's sale and could pose problems for its eventual owner. Well, if they just stole it from the pig farmer, then what the fuck, US?

• 2:40:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, what are we doing?

• 2:40:58Speaker 00

  How'd this guy get it? How'd the first guy get it?

• 2:41:01Speaker 02

  This is obviously bought in someone else's name.

• 2:41:03Speaker 00

  The first guy you said?

• 2:41:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the oligarch?

• 2:41:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's who they took it from.

• 2:41:07Joe Rogan?

  He was borrowing it. He was borrowing it. He asked me to borrow... When you're that rich, bro, it's a flex.

• 2:41:12Speaker 02

  Let me take that yacht.

• 2:41:13Joe Rogan?

  You want to borrow my yacht?

• 2:41:14Speaker 02

  Take it, I don't give a shit.

• 2:41:15Joe Rogan?

  Take the yacht. Kill the chef. I don't care.

• 2:41:17Speaker 00

  Kill the chef.

• 2:41:18Joe Rogan?

  Shoot him in the head if you don't like the way your steak is cooked.

• 2:41:20Speaker 02

  The chef's just standing there.

• 2:41:21Joe Rogan?

  Boom!

• 2:41:22Speaker 02

  Please spare me.

• 2:41:23Speaker 00

  There was at least six or seven other yachts I was reading up on, and that was not the biggest one.

• 2:41:26Joe Rogan?

  That's not the biggest one?

• 2:41:28Speaker 00

  No, no, no.

• 2:41:28Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, what's the biggest one they seized?

• 2:41:30Speaker 02

  I'm telling you.

• 2:41:31Joe Rogan?

  Those guys are balling, son.

• 2:41:32Speaker 02

  So hard.

• 2:41:33Joe Rogan?

  They're balling.

• 2:41:33Speaker 00

  141 meters, that's slightly bigger.

• 2:41:36Joe Rogan?

  And you wonder why Nancy Pelosi keeps embezzling money like this.

• 2:41:39Speaker 02

  Smart, she wants another yacht.

• 2:41:41Joe Rogan?

  She's insider trading.

• 2:41:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, insider.

• 2:41:43Joe Rogan?

  She's doing it legally, though.

• 2:41:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 2:41:44Joe Rogan?

  So what the fuck?

• 2:41:45Speaker 02

  They're all doing it legally.

• 2:41:46Joe Rogan?

  Why complain?

• 2:41:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:41:47Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 2:41:48Joe Rogan?

  Whoa!

• 2:41:49Speaker 00

  That's a little bigger.

• 2:41:50Joe Rogan?

  See, when you're around all this, you're like, why do the Russians get all the yachts? And you're like...

• 2:41:57Speaker 00

  Nirvana?

• 2:41:58Speaker 02

  That's amazing.

• 2:41:59Joe Rogan?

  Paul, we need more money.

• 2:42:02Speaker 02

  That is fucking insane. Wait, look at, go back. Look at the size of that bullshit little jet ski next to that thing. Look how big that is.

• 2:42:08Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that yacht's giant.

• 2:42:09Speaker 02

  That's huge.

• 2:42:10Joe Rogan?

  Three decks. How many feet long is that?

• 2:42:13Speaker 00

  Well, they're, they're listed in meters.

• 2:42:15Speaker 02

  Eighty meter, eighty-two meters.

• 2:42:16Joe Rogan?

  What is that?

• 2:42:17Speaker 00

  Nah, it's...

• 2:42:18Speaker 02

  Two-hundred-and-forty feet, about?

• 2:42:20Joe Rogan?

  Look at you, that was quick.

• 2:42:21Speaker 00

  It's like three.

• 2:42:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, just about three.

• 2:42:24Joe Rogan?

  There's like a, um, a formula that you do when you convert like meters to feet, meters to yards. How do you do that? Like, someone told me from the archery community, told me how to do that if you have like a rangefinder that says meters.

• 2:42:38Speaker 00

  Uh, one-point-oh-nine.

• 2:42:39Speaker 02

  One-point-oh-nine, right, that's right, yeah.

• 2:42:43Speaker 02

  Meters and yards.

• 2:42:45Joe Rogan?

  So, if it's like, which one's longer?

• 2:42:48Speaker 00

  Meter.

• 2:42:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh. Okay, so a hundred meters, like a hundred-and-ten yards?

• 2:42:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:42:53Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:42:53Speaker 02

  Give or take, yeah.

• 2:42:54Joe Rogan?

  There you go.

• 2:42:55Speaker 02

  I know, the only reason I know that is because of golf.

• 2:42:56Speaker 00

  I don't forget.

• 2:42:57Speaker 02

  When I, if you golf, if I golf overseas, they always do meters.

• 2:42:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:43:00Speaker 02

  And they don't convert for you.

• 2:43:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:43:02Speaker 02

  So, you'll go, they'll, when they say it, they'll go, you know, down in Australia, like, one-twenty-eight. And you're like, one-twenty-eight.

• 2:43:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you're gonna do it yourself? Oh, no.

• 2:43:11Speaker 02

  I had my phone out at one point, I was like, one-twenty-eight.

• 2:43:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's funny.

• 2:43:15Speaker 02

  They were making fun of me, they're like, come on, mate, you don't know, you don't know any fucking conversions. I'm like, nah, I don't know my conversions, man.

• 2:43:20Joe Rogan?

  They taught us in high school, and then they gave up.

• 2:43:22Speaker 02

  Well, we gave, I gave up.

• 2:43:24Joe Rogan?

  But I, they gave up, like, by the time I was out of high school, they stopped doing it.

• 2:43:28Speaker 02

  Same thing with cursive.

• 2:43:28Joe Rogan?

  This is eighty-five, they gave up, but they gave up on the metric system in eighty-five. They were gonna try to impart the metric system in the entire country.

• 2:43:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, we weren't interested.

• 2:43:35Joe Rogan?

  Nope. Fuck you.

• 2:43:37Speaker 02

  Fuck you, dude.

• 2:43:37Joe Rogan?

  We got the bomb, bitch.

• 2:43:40Speaker 02

  We got the bomb, dude, we're doing our own numbers, man.

• 2:43:42Joe Rogan?

  We're taking inches, and you could suck my dick.

• 2:43:44Speaker 02

  Suck my inchy dick.

• 2:43:44Joe Rogan?

  Inches and pounds. Go fuck yourself with your metric system. It's kind of funny.

• 2:43:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like it.

• 2:43:51Joe Rogan?

  Fuck you and fuck soccer.

• 2:43:53Speaker 02

  Fuck you, fuck soccer.

• 2:43:55Joe Rogan?

  Fuck you. America was like, we're not doing it.

• 2:43:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, we didn't do it.

• 2:43:58Joe Rogan?

  Not doing it, sorry.

• 2:44:00Speaker 02

  Nah, we got a, we got a sport like soccer, but it's like concussion. We just run at each other full fucking speed. Crushing each other.

• 2:44:10Speaker 02

  Gladiator shit.

• 2:44:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, um, I wonder what's worse for you, that or fighting? I used to think it was that, but then I started watching some documentaries about, um, old-time fighters.

• 2:44:24Speaker 02

  Bad.

• 2:44:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god dude.

• 2:44:26Speaker 02

  We remember when the NHL was gonna ban fighting and then I think they found out, there was research that found out that the most concussions that came from on the ice were from board hits.

• 2:44:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, for sure.

• 2:44:37Speaker 02

  Heads bouncing off the board.

• 2:44:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 2:44:39Speaker 02

  So they were like, the fights weren't, because you're so unstable on skates, the fighting wasn't as brutal as obviously ground fighting, because you have stability, right?

• 2:44:50Joe Rogan?

  I saw a dude judo throw a guy though.

• 2:44:52Speaker 02

  It's pretty rad. On ice?

• 2:44:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's kinda uncool.

• 2:44:56Speaker 02

  It's not cool.

• 2:44:57Joe Rogan?

  The guy takes his helmet off and you judo throw him, he could die.

• 2:45:00Speaker 02

  He could. Did he?

• 2:45:01Joe Rogan?

  Easily. I don't know. I don't know what happened to that guy. It didn't look like he died, but he definitely got KO'd. This dude hip tossed him.

• 2:45:07Speaker 02

  Those ice fights though, they're brutal, but the bouncing of the head off the glass, they say.

• 2:45:11Joe Rogan?

  Watch this.

• 2:45:12Speaker 02

  Whoa. Ah, he bounced on his back, I think.

• 2:45:14Joe Rogan?

  Bro, his head hit the ground, son. Look at this. 100% his head hit the ground.

• 2:45:18Speaker 02

  It's a good throw.

• 2:45:19Joe Rogan?

  His head hit the ground 100%.

• 2:45:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's not good.

• 2:45:22Joe Rogan?

  Boom, right there. 100%. There's a bounce.

• 2:45:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's not good.

• 2:45:25Joe Rogan?

  Not good.

• 2:45:26Speaker 02

  Not good, dude.

• 2:45:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was a good throw.

• 2:45:27Speaker 02

  I was just gonna say, it was a good throw.

• 2:45:29Joe Rogan?

  As a guy who appreciates-

• 2:45:30Speaker 02

  His positioning was perfect, dude.

• 2:45:31Joe Rogan?

  Really knew his shit. That's the thing, if you could teach like a judo practitioner, you could teach like a Carl Parisian or Joel Romero or Hector Lum- well, Joel Romero was a wrestler, but Hector Lombard, he was a jiu-jitsu champion from Cuba. Teach a guy like that how to fight in hockey games, you're in fucking trouble, son.

• 2:45:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, buddy.

• 2:45:48Joe Rogan?

  Grab a hold of your shit. If he's a really good skater, and I'm sure he's got amazing balance, because every judoka has insane balance, you have to be able to like rotate your weight, transfer your weight at the split, split second intervals, and you gotta be able to manipulate another person's body and weight, and the kinda strength that you would have to slam someone on the ice like that, like, ooh.

• 2:46:09Speaker 02

  Well, that's when it's over though, that's the only rule of hockey, right? If you're down, it's out.

• 2:46:12Joe Rogan?

  Is that the rule?

• 2:46:13Speaker 02

  You can't, well, your fight's over when they go down. Yeah, you can't fucking, you can't hit him when he's down.

• 2:46:17Joe Rogan?

  Aren't they doing like a whole fight league where they, like a hockey fight thing?

• 2:46:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I feel like the Russians have that, like a hockey skate, a hockey fight thing.

• 2:46:24Joe Rogan?

  Russians have people fighting in cars.

• 2:46:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:26Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen the car fights?

• 2:46:27Speaker 02

  No, dude.

• 2:46:28Joe Rogan?

  He buckled up in a seatbelt?

• 2:46:29Speaker 02

  Oh, I have seen this. Yeah, yeah, they just start beating the fucking shit out of each other. That is insane.

• 2:46:34Joe Rogan?

  It's so insane dude. It's so insane.

• 2:46:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, these guys, right? Yeah, that's exactly right. There's just, there's just ice fights.

• 2:46:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, this is so crazy. So they have MMA gloves on, they're fighting on ice. This is nuts dude. This is, oh, spinning backfist!

• 2:46:49Speaker 00

  Closer to the basketball court thing though. There's no walls.

• 2:46:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, pretty good idea. Except the whole...

• 2:46:55Speaker 00

  Can't go down on the ground.

• 2:46:55Joe Rogan?

  The, the, the whole skate thing is nonsense. Like, the whole, why are you limiting people's movement?

• 2:47:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it is, it is so much harder to fight on ice.

• 2:47:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah!

• 2:47:04Speaker 02

  It's fucking so hard.

• 2:47:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, also, it's such a factor that if you're a really good skater but a shitty boxer, you could fuck a guy up, it's probably better than you.

• 2:47:12Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 2:47:13Joe Rogan?

  Cause he was, he's not gonna know how to balance himself and he's transferring weight. You could just kinda pop, pop, pop him and he won't be able to do anything about it. He can keep it together and just like gently pop him. He's like, eeeeh, stumbling all over the place. It's just a dumb way to fight.

• 2:47:26Speaker 02

  Ice fights. Ice fights, baby.

• 2:47:29Joe Rogan?

  It is weird though, that hockey allows fights.

• 2:47:32Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 2:47:32Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. It's weird that there's like one sport, like eh...

• 2:47:36Speaker 02

  It's tradition.

• 2:47:38Joe Rogan?

  Weird.

• 2:47:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know, but it is, but, but I do think also, cause the brutality of the fights wouldn't be as gruesome as that of NBA, NFL, you know, with ground. So they're, they, I think they factor in the fact that it's like, these fights don't really last long. They get a couple shots, it's usually over.

• 2:47:53Joe Rogan?

  Nobody gets hurt.

• 2:47:53Speaker 02

  And they usually break it up pretty quickly. When the refs can sneak in, they will.

• 2:47:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:57Speaker 02

  I love it. I think it's such a cool part of the sport.

• 2:47:59Joe Rogan?

  It's a great part of the sport. Without that, people are gonna hate it.

• 2:48:02Speaker 02

  Bare knuckle, those bare knuckle ice fights dude.

• 2:48:05Joe Rogan?

  Of course they did. Of course they did. Oh, with the helmets on. The helmets are smart, honestly. Cause when you get KO'd and your head bounces off the ground, you really need that helmet. But you could also break the fucking shit out of your hand on that helmet.

• 2:48:17Speaker 02

  Oh, they are for sure. That's gotta hurt.

• 2:48:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a terrible way to break your hand too.

• 2:48:20Speaker 02

  Bare knuckle ice fights, sponsored by Buffalo Wild Wings.

• 2:48:24Joe Rogan?

  Sponsored by Pfizer. Do you have brain damage? Does it make you depressed?

• 2:48:30Speaker 02

  Try taking ZoloXans. ZoloXans will figure everything out for you.

• 2:48:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:38Joe Rogan?

  We live in some weird times, my friend. We really do.

• 2:48:42Speaker 02

  Well, we're trying our best.

• 2:48:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:45Speaker 02

  We're trying our best in a totally fucked up time. I do think, I do think we're gonna see a swing. I think things-

• 2:48:50Joe Rogan?

  Which way?

• 2:48:50Speaker 02

  I think things are gonna even out a little bit and get a little bit calmer. I think people, it's so chaotic-

• 2:48:55Joe Rogan?

  I hope so. I hope cooler heads prevail.

• 2:48:58Speaker 02

  Cause we're in a bad way.

• 2:48:59Joe Rogan?

  But there's a lot of people, unfortunately, in this country that don't see a bright future for themselves. And this is also part of the problem with the narratives that we're being fed on social media. Is that they start looking at their economic future and it looks very bleak and they wanna point a finger at someone like, "Somebody fuck me." Like, "Why are these people, there's a few people that have all this money." You know, and this is one of the things, one of them CEOs was talking about on a podcast, that like- That they have to be really careful because like, once AI does happen, like, people are gonna come for them.

• 2:49:32Speaker 02

  Oh yeah.

• 2:49:33Joe Rogan?

  The people are gonna like, did you see what happened in Nepal? They took over the whole government.

• 2:49:39Speaker 02

  Oh, they overthrew it?

• 2:49:39Joe Rogan?

  They overthrew the government. And they, they voted in a new leader on Discord. That's how they voted in their new leader.

• 2:49:47Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:49:47Joe Rogan?

  And they took over the government. Because the government was trying to impose rules on what they could post online, what they could see online. And the young people had enough.

• 2:49:56Speaker 02

  They were like, "Nah."

• 2:49:57Joe Rogan?

  And they're like, "E fucking enough." And it was an actual overthrowing of the government. Which I do not know if it was orchestrated by an intelligence agency. That's the problem.

• 2:50:08Speaker 02

  Could be.

• 2:50:08Joe Rogan?

  I used to think, "What a great story. That's so cool."

• 2:50:11Speaker 02

  From the ground up.

• 2:50:12Joe Rogan?

  Then I met Mike Benz and he's like, "No, USAID has been funding these things for years." I'm like, "What? No!" Yes. They, it's, he was saying USAID is for things that are too dirty for the CIA, so they're farming off to these NGOs.

• 2:50:25Speaker 00

  Government officials had to leave the, the parliament building by helicopter.

• 2:50:29Joe Rogan?

  Whoa!

• 2:50:30Speaker 00

  Chaos is so much on-

• 2:50:31Joe Rogan?

  Bro!

• 2:50:32Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 2:50:33Joe Rogan?

  They're hanging on to helicopters. That's crazy.

• 2:50:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I haven't watched a lot of the videos. There's a guy who I think he was randomly traveling on motorcycle through there while this was happening and he's just sort of stayed.

• 2:50:44Joe Rogan?

  That.

• 2:50:44Speaker 02

  And he keeps filming like on the ground.

• 2:50:46Joe Rogan?

  Is so nuts. Imagine like, look, we can get you out here, but we don't have time to get you in the helicopter. You, they're at the door. Just put this fucking thing between your legs and hang on. Do you have gloves? Do you have gloves?

• 2:50:58Speaker 02

  Is this in Catman do?

• 2:51:00Joe Rogan?

  By the way, how long do you think you could hang on to that without a strap? Zero seconds?

• 2:51:05Speaker 02

  Not a long time.

• 2:51:06Joe Rogan?

  Like zero seconds?

• 2:51:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's gonna be tough.

• 2:51:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a wire, son.

• 2:51:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's tough.

• 2:51:10Joe Rogan?

  That's a nylon wire.

• 2:51:11Speaker 02

  Nepal is burning.

• 2:51:12Joe Rogan?

  Wow. The real story behind, go back, what was that? Which one was it?

• 2:51:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, um, Nepal Gen Z protest. The real story behind the uprising, connecting the dots. Look at they're all filled, everyone's got their camera out and some people have masks on. Jesus Christ, man. We live in the dumbest of times in the wildest of times. The mask thing is like every time I see someone with a mask on, I'm like, you gotta stop! You gotta stop.

• 2:51:44Speaker 02

  They're everywhere. I still see them everywhere.

• 2:51:46Joe Rogan?

  But it's like, it's a green light for idiots to just also be able to commit crimes. Because you're allowing people to cover their face, which used to be a red light.

• 2:51:55Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:51:55Joe Rogan?

  Like if you go into a bank with a mask on in the past, it was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, this guy's got a mask on. Everybody got their guns out. Now it's normal.

• 2:52:04Speaker 02

  Normal to see it. This guy, this fully masked guy, um, my buddy Sean sent me a video of a guy on his block, their security camera. Broad daylight, middle of the day, getting groceries out of his car with his kid and his wife. Guy runs up to him with a gun, robs him of his watch.

• 2:52:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 2:52:21Speaker 02

  Broad daylight, fully masked up, you know.

• 2:52:23Joe Rogan?

  Where was this at?

• 2:52:24Speaker 02

  In LA.

• 2:52:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:52:26Speaker 02

  In the valley. The video's wild, dude. The wife comes out, he points the gun right at the wife.

• 2:52:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:52:31Speaker 02

  And I mean, doesn't, doesn't shoot anybody, thank god. The guys, the kids are, everything was safe, but he got, but he goes, take it off. You can hear the audio, he goes, take it off. And he takes his watch off pretty quickly, gives it to him and he gets in his car and they speed away. And I was like, this wasn't cruising through the neighborhood seeing a guy unloading his car. They saw him at the grocery store, clocked it and we're like, we're following that guy.

• 2:52:50Joe Rogan?

  No, they do that all the time to people.

• 2:52:51Speaker 02

  We're following that guy home. That's how we say circle the block.

• 2:52:54Joe Rogan?

  If he gets caught, he'll be out of jail.

• 2:52:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:52:55Joe Rogan?

  No cash bail.

• 2:52:56Speaker 02

  Well, they're never gonna catch him. The car was stolen.

• 2:52:57Joe Rogan?

  Even if he gets caught, it doesn't matter. They'll let him out.

• 2:53:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 2:53:01Joe Rogan?

  What is that about?

• 2:53:02Speaker 02

  I do.

• 2:53:03Joe Rogan?

  Like, if I wanted to destroy society, that's how I would do it. I just allow, I'm not saying that that's why they do it, but if I wanted to destroy society, I would just say, "Listen, the way to combat all this inequality in the world is whenever someone gets arrested, you just let them go."

• 2:53:17Speaker 02

  Just let them go.

• 2:53:18Joe Rogan?

  Because otherwise, you're racist. Like, "Oh, okay."

• 2:53:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, just let them go.

• 2:53:21Joe Rogan?

  Like, "Let violent criminals back on the streets." No. Like, none of these people ever have any solution for how to make the places where these people grow up less violent. Zero. Zero discussion about it. No talk about it.

• 2:53:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:53:38Joe Rogan?

  They just think that there's systemic racism, and so that's why people get arrested. Like, "Okay."

• 2:53:43Speaker 02

  Instead of trying to fix it.

• 2:53:45Joe Rogan?

  And then, the way people can gaslight other people's behavior in order to find some sort of a way of not giving the people on the other side a win. One of the craziest conversations I saw people have online in one of those cable talk shows was, uh...

• 2:54:06Joe Rogan?

  They were having a conversation about why this guy would shoot Charlie Kirk. And the angle they were taking was that he was in a relationship, a loving, amazing relationship with another man who was a trans woman.

• 2:54:20Speaker 02

  Charlie Kirk was?

• 2:54:21Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. The guy was a shooter.

• 2:54:23Speaker 02

  Oh, I was like, "What the fuck?"

• 2:54:23Joe Rogan?

  The guy was a shooter.

• 2:54:24Speaker 02

  Oh, right. Is that true?

• 2:54:25Joe Rogan?

  That's why, yeah, allegedly. And that that's why when Charlie Kirk's words hurt so much that he had to take action. Like, gaslighting and justifying an assassination.

• 2:54:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:54:37Joe Rogan?

  Because this guy was saying mean things about trans people. Like, "Don't listen."

• 2:54:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:54:41Joe Rogan?

  "Don't listen."

• 2:54:42Speaker 02

  Did he say mean things about trans people, by the way? That's the other thing.

• 2:54:45Joe Rogan?

  Uh, well, he definitely said that they were not really women.

• 2:54:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:54:49Joe Rogan?

  Right? Which I don't think is mean, because it's biologically accurate. It's just insensitive to people who want you to go along with it.

• 2:54:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:54:55Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is.

• 2:54:55Speaker 02

  I just don't follow the man enough. I don't know anything about... I saw clips, so that's all I... That was my... My perspective was watching him do trolley clips online. I mean, the guy trolled a lot online.

• 2:55:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, he did a lot to get people riled up.

• 2:55:07Speaker 02

  Big time. Big time.

• 2:55:09Joe Rogan?

  A lot about D E I. That's one of the reasons why people think he's very, you know, very problematic. He was against... He's also said that the civil rights bill... And but he had a really good point. He said it should be just a one-page thing. Instead of that, it should be a one-page thing that says it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of race, color, ethnicity. Simple.

• 2:55:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:55:33Joe Rogan?

  Which makes sense. Like, it should be illegal to do that.

• 2:55:35Speaker 02

  It is, correct? Yeah?

• 2:55:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:38Speaker 02

  I mean...

• 2:55:39Joe Rogan?

  But it's like, you know, you have all these conversations and some of them, you know, some of them look not so good out of context. And that's easy to do when a guy's thirty-one years old. If I had a podcast when I was thirty-one, you'd think people hate me now.

• 2:55:56Speaker 02

  Would've been way worse.

• 2:55:57Joe Rogan?

  It would've been way worse. Yeah, I would've said a lot of stupid shit.

• 2:56:00Speaker 02

  Oh dude, I say dumb shit on our show every week.

• 2:56:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's a problem with having a comedy show too, though. It's like comedy show, like especially when you're talking to comedians. We're so used to talking normal to each other, just saying what's on our mind and saying and saying things that we heard rather than worrying about how other people are gonna feel. And when you do that publicly, people are like, "You get to talk like that? This is cra- you guys just said you'd suck each other's dicks for a few dollars. Like, this is crazy."

• 2:56:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:26Joe Rogan?

  But it's, you're not allowed to do that in most jobs, right? And this, I think, is the origin of all this FCC stuff. I think they wanted to keep it that way. I think they wanted to keep people kinda muted, no swearing. This is what father knows best. Tonight, at eight PM, leave it to Beaver. There was all these stupid fucking shows that were like social programming. And they were designed to keep people calm and complacent, because we had dealt with five thousand years of people being murderous barbarians. And so, once they got the chance to broadcast things on TV, they just broadcast this bullshit version of a human being and we all just accepted that that's how people were.

• 2:57:07Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:57:07Joe Rogan?

  And the only way they could do that is to limit what you're allowed to talk about, limit the language you're allowed to use, and have a bunch of stupid commercials jammed in there every fifteen minutes or whatever it is to make you feel stupid. And just keep shoving that down your throat.

• 2:57:22Speaker 02

  And it worked.

• 2:57:23Joe Rogan?

  Till you die.

• 2:57:24Speaker 02

  Drink your fucking Ovaltine.

• 2:57:25Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, and stay away from saturated fat. And that's what they did forever. And... Now, people are kinda waking up that that's dumb.

• 2:57:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:57:35Joe Rogan?

  And I think that's part of what this Jimmy Kimmel thing is like, why? It would outrage is, one of the things that outrages young people in particular, and also comics. But is that, we live in a time where you can have a show like this, right? Where there's no one has talked to us before we did this. No one's gonna talk to us after, if they do, I don't listen. We just say what we think, and you put it out there.

• 2:58:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:58:01Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if the government had to get involved, you know, Andrew Santino and Joe Rogan's vile comments. We're gonna remove them from the internet. According to who? So the, the young people go, who the fuck is that guy?

• 2:58:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:58:16Joe Rogan?

  It's like Conor McGregor and Jeremy Stevens.

• 2:58:17Speaker 02

  Who the fuck is that guy?

• 2:58:18Joe Rogan?

  Who the fuck is that guy? Cause that's what it's like. It's like, who are you? What does, and people are just waking up, what, there's not organization that can tell you what you could say on TV? While you have YouTube?

• 2:58:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:58:30Joe Rogan?

  While you have X? While you have fucking literal Nazis who are posting videos every day? And that's okay, and that can have 24 million views? But this talk show that has, like, what was the 18 to 34 of the Jimmy Kimmel Show? That was what was also crazy.

• 2:58:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:58:48Joe Rogan?

  Not good.

• 2:58:49Speaker 02

  No, the numbers were pretty low.

• 2:58:50Joe Rogan?

  Pretty low.

• 2:58:51Speaker 02

  But all late night in TV is low.

• 2:58:52Joe Rogan?

  All late night is low. Because it's a, it's a limited format. He would be way better off if he had an internet show.

• 2:58:59Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 2:58:59Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent. Just him, do whatever the fuck he wants.

• 2:59:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:59:03Joe Rogan?

  He'd probably make more money, especially now, which is probably one of the reasons why they wanted to bring him back. They're probably like, oh, it's like, right now's a good time to keep this guy on our side.

• 2:59:13Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 2:59:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:14Speaker 02

  Otherwise he flies free.

• 2:59:15Joe Rogan?

  If they fired him, and then he got paid out, or if he, his lawyers made a deal, like, look, buy him out, we're done. Cause I think he only had till the end of the year before they were gonna renegotiate a contract anyway.

• 2:59:26Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 2:59:27Joe Rogan?

  I think so, that's what I read today, but, there's so much misinformation.

• 2:59:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, who knows what it is.

• 2:59:32Joe Rogan?

  But I'm gonna need to see some emails! I'm gonna need to see some text messages, I wanna know what the fuck, what happened behind the scenes.

• 2:59:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:59:41Joe Rogan?

  Or, um, not, or are we putting him back on the air? You guys shut the fuck up, which is, seems to be like what's kinda happening.

• 2:59:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:59:48Joe Rogan?

  But anybody that's like in support of it, it's like, understand where that goes. Even if he's incorrect. If he's incorrect, people should vote with their viewership, okay? If you're upset at him that he got that incorrect, or that he's politically biased, don't watch anymore. And plenty of people will watch, and let the market decide. Don't let the government step in.

• 3:00:10Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:00:11Joe Rogan?

  And the government, and people in the government call you talentless and vile and all these different things, like, settle down.

• 3:00:17Speaker 02

  It is so funny how he's like, he has no talent, you're like, well, I mean, yeah.

• 3:00:21Joe Rogan?

  He's been on TV for fifty years.

• 3:00:23Speaker 02

  Objectively, objectively, he's talented. That's not even enough.

• 3:00:25Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean? He's been on the radio and he's been on TV for like a hundred years. What are you talking about?

• 3:00:30Speaker 02

  Quite talented.

• 3:00:30Joe Rogan?

  He's my age, he's a dinosaur. He's been, he's been on TV forever. Like, this is crazy.

• 3:00:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:00:37Joe Rogan?

  And he's not Hitler, you know, and neither was Charlie Kirk, you know, and this is where we're lost. Like, there's real monsters in the world. I watched a video today that I shouldn't have watched. And it was a video from Gaza where they found these three men that they suspected of

• 3:00:56Joe Rogan?

  of doing something, or sharing information with Israel, and they gunned them down on the street. Colluding with Israel in some way. And they, the video was horrific. They have these guys blindfolded, they kicked him in the back, face down, and just gunned him down in front of anybody. There's a large crowd of people watching and they're all filming.

• 3:01:17Speaker 02

  Gross.

• 3:01:17Joe Rogan?

  And it's fucking horrific, man. It's horrific. It's so rough to watch. Like, that's going on right now, at the same time, as this stupid fucking argument. You know, there's so many things we should be paying attention to. There's so many things that are just absolutely insane in the world right now. And we're focused on this one thing as if this is the end of the world. There's a giant something headed our way that many of these wacko conspiracy theorists that I follow think is a UFO. There's that one that there some people think it's a comet and that Avi Loeb guy from Harvard, he doesn't think it's a comet.

• 3:01:59Speaker 02

  I think it's a UFO.

• 3:02:00Joe Rogan?

  And he thinks it's some sort of an intergalactic spaceship that's traveling from somewhere else.

• 3:02:05Speaker 02

  Come on down.

• 3:02:06Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna come near us.

• 3:02:06Speaker 02

  Come on down.

• 3:02:07Joe Rogan?

  And then there's a bigger one behind it. There's a new one that they just discovered very recently.

• 3:02:10Speaker 02

  That's the other yacht.

• 3:02:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:02:12Speaker 02

  The other space yacht. Just a couple of fucking space yachts.

• 3:02:15Joe Rogan?

  He got expelled from Space Russia. Have to run. They trying to take away spaceship.

• 3:02:21Speaker 02

  We will shoot your yacht into space.

• 3:02:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Did you see that orb? I sent it to Jamie. So there's this orb that they apparently have carbon dated and this orb that has all these weird writings on it. It's very strange looking. It's made out of some alloy of aluminum that's three times stronger than military grade aluminum.

• 3:02:43Speaker 02

  Booga sphere.

• 3:02:47Joe Rogan?

  It got labeled or it got dated to 12,560 years old.

• 3:02:53Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 3:02:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So it's straight from a radiocarbon lab report dated September 19th, 2025. So look at that thing. Look at the drawings on it. Like if this thing's actually 12,000 plus years old and has these inscriptions on it. It looks like this very strange.

• 3:03:11Speaker 02

  Looks like a microchip.

• 3:03:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And the center of it looks exactly like a microchip and that this is made out of some sort of an aluminum alloy that's three times stronger than military grade aluminum.

• 3:03:21Speaker 02

  You know what those look like coming out of that microchip, that picture? There's little mushrooms.

• 3:03:26Joe Rogan?

  So let's go, let's go back, go up a little Jamie, right here. The sample was treated with HCI, cleaned and burned at 900 degrees centigrade or Celsius. Graphite conversion measured by accelerator mass spectrometer compared against official oxalic acid standards plus or minus 30 years uncertainty.

• 3:03:54Joe Rogan?

  So. Yeah, it's wild. Um, I sent this to my friend Jesse Michaels, who's got an awesome, uh, YouTube channel. You should check it out. It's called American Alchemy. And he is my go-to expert when anything is really fucking screwy online. Like, is this real? I'll send him stuff like that. So what he was telling me, though, that there is an issue, um, with the actual, uh, dating of it. Uh, okay, so the carbon dating is real, and we, this is from Jesse. Uh, and we assume that we have an aluminum spear three times the hardness of modern aerospace aluminum, which was created 12,600 years ago at the start of the Younger Dryas. It's a full paradigm shift.

• 3:04:36Joe Rogan?

  Uh, on another note, oh, there's, uh, so this is what he was saying, though, that there was a, an issue with the way they analyzed it.

• 3:04:48Joe Rogan?

  Uh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. I can't find it. But what he's saying is that the stuff that's on the outside, like the resin, which is what they're examining. So the, the resin that they're examining, there's an issue. Oh, here it is. Uh, apparently, when you carbon date the petrochemical resin, you might get an artificially old date. Hmm. Okay, so they're trying to figure this out. When the Georgia team tested, it seemed legit. Uh, but there is an issue with modern petrochemical resin. Here, I'll send this to Jamie.

• 3:05:27Joe Rogan?

  It's complicated, because the problem with something like that is I want to believe in it so bad. Like, please, space people, come and fix us. Please, space people. Please, we're so retarded. Come get us. Come get us. Come get us before we elect Chelsea Handler for president. Come get us. Like, look at this, uh, so this is what.

• 3:05:45Speaker 00

  I just saw, I was reading a Reddit comment about it. It, uh, this, uh, this is the report.

• 3:05:51Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:05:52Speaker 00

  It says, "Analysis for the four minifer samples."

• 3:05:55Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:05:56Speaker 00

  Four minifers, uh, this, a single-celled organism.

• 3:06:01Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 3:06:01Speaker 00

  Not, yeah.

• 3:06:03Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean?

• 3:06:04Speaker 02

  That they tested something different than what they're saying they tested, I think? That's what the comments were saying.

• 3:06:09Joe Rogan?

  I thought they were saying the resin. The resin is treated in ultrasound bath for thirty minutes at room temperature. The sample was dried out and treated with one N H C I to remove possible carbonates. After that, the sample was rinsed in ultra pure water and dried at a hundred and five degrees Celsius for accelerated mass spectrometry. And now say that five times. Analysis, the clean samples were combusted at nine hundred degrees Celsius, evacuated, sealed, ampules, the presence of C U O. The resulting carbon dioxide is cryogenically purified from the other reaction product. Jesus Christ.

• 3:06:49Joe Rogan?

  Reaction products and catalytically converted to graphite using a method of da-da-da-da-da. Get to the point. Sample ratios were compared to the ratio measured from the oxalic acid one. The sample tested, ratios were measured separately. The quoted uncalibrated dates have been given in radiocarbon years before one thousand nine hundred and fifty years B P. What is B P? Before present? And using the half-life of five thousand five hundred and sixty-eight years. I don't know what they just said. Do you?

• 3:07:25Speaker 02

  I don't have a fucking clue.

• 3:07:26Joe Rogan?

  So it's a few thousand years old. So it says age years before present, twelve thousand five hundred and sixty. If that's B P, if that's what they're saying by B P, that's twelve thousand B C, not the Younger Dryas. That's quite a bit before that. It was like two thousand, because the Younger Dryas is somewhere around twelve thousand years ago. So that's two thousand years before that. Either way, if that fucking thing really is twelve thousand years old, what is that?

• 3:07:54Speaker 02

  What is that?

• 3:07:54Joe Rogan?

  And who's making something that's a beautiful sphere like that? That's three times harder than modern aluminum.

• 3:08:02Speaker 02

  And twelve thousand years ago, with no tools, no nothing, just... Nah, I don't like it. I don't like that shit.

• 3:08:10Joe Rogan?

  I like it a lot.

• 3:08:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. It creeps me the fuck out. It's coming. I'm telling you that...

• 3:08:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the thing. I think we...

• 3:08:18Joe Rogan?

  erroneously assume that what we have is stable.

• 3:08:21Speaker 02

  Oh no, yeah, this is gone.

• 3:08:23Joe Rogan?

  I think they thought it was stable back then too, when they were building the pyramids. Like, listen, we're always gonna know who built these. Real simple, everyone's gonna know, you can do it with your mind. Everyone's gonna know how to move the blocks, it's simple, we don't even have to write it down.

• 3:08:36Speaker 02

  Show them, Mike, do the thing.

• 3:08:40Speaker 02

  Very good, very nice.

• 3:08:41Joe Rogan?

  They had some sort of sound machine that was rising.

• 3:08:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:08:44Joe Rogan?

  Like making, raising these enormous stone blocks.

• 3:08:46Speaker 02

  Spinning it, he's like, stop showing off.

• 3:08:48Joe Rogan?

  Taking them down the mountain.

• 3:08:51Joe Rogan?

  Vibrating while it's like moving in the air, who knows what they did. But whatever they did, they get hit by a big rock from space.

• 3:09:02Joe Rogan?

  And there was a few savages left, and it took them about 5,000 years before they reinvented civilization.

• 3:09:10Joe Rogan?

  And that could happen to us, bro.

• 3:09:12Speaker 02

  It's gonna.

• 3:09:13Joe Rogan?

  And that might be the one thing that makes us wanna get the AI rolling. That's the sphere. How cool is that?

• 3:09:19Speaker 02

  It's pretty cool, it looks like a helmet, almost.

• 3:09:21Speaker 00

  They're saying that these dots are the resin, I suppose, right?

• 3:09:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 3:09:26Speaker 00

  And I guess, I'm, I'm asking in my head, like, why would we assume that that's gonna be carbon material if it's, you know, if the whole thing is a metal sphere, why would we need organic material in it?

• 3:09:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the only thing that they could test, but the problem is if you take that thing, and someone made it 100 years ago, and you stick it in old dirt, and then you test that 12,000 year old dirt, you're like, eureka! This ball is 12,000 years old, step right up! And pay to see it.

• 3:09:53Speaker 02

  Just old dirt.

• 3:09:55Joe Rogan?

  Also, here's the thing. If you can make something that's three times the hardness of modern aircraft aluminum, couldn't you draw better half moons?

• 3:10:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I should be able to.

• 3:10:06Joe Rogan?

  Why does that look so shitty?

• 3:10:07Speaker 02

  It's like a bad tattoo.

• 3:10:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it looks like, yeah, like someone did it on the boardwalk in Atlantic City. You gotta tell me you're a drug.

• 3:10:13Speaker 02

  Sound of Borgata?

• 3:10:14Joe Rogan?

  You got some Chinese letters, and they bleed out. Peace and hope. And it's bleeding out, right? Like, that looks shitty. That doesn't look good. Like, if you saw something that was made today, like, even the stuff that they made in Egypt, it was, like, way better.

• 3:10:29Speaker 00

  I also feel like I've only seen this angle of this thing.

• 3:10:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're not showing me.

• 3:10:32Speaker 00

  Why is that? Seen, like, the other side of it.

• 3:10:33Joe Rogan?

  That's true. Like, look at that thing in the left, the upper left, that little half-moon, the tip of the half-moon on the top one, yeah. Look how shitty that one is.

• 3:10:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, they did a bad job.

• 3:10:43Joe Rogan?

  They did a bad job. It's like when you're a kid and you get a coloring book and you go outside the lines.

• 3:10:47Speaker 02

  Right outside the lines.

• 3:10:47Joe Rogan?

  Fucking loser.

• 3:10:48Speaker 02

  You fucked up. You fucked up. It's not usable.

• 3:10:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's weird, dude. Weird.

• 3:10:55Speaker 02

  Weird.

• 3:10:56Joe Rogan?

  And look at the image, the close-up of the circuit board.

• 3:11:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a tr-

• 3:11:00Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 3:11:01Speaker 00

  It does look like a little microchip circuit board.

• 3:11:03Joe Rogan?

  But that also makes me think, like, now go fuck yourself, because now you're playing with me.

• 3:11:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're just fucking with us.

• 3:11:08Joe Rogan?

  Why are you making, like, a modern version of it? Why does it have that fake Mona Lisa in that thread?

• 3:11:15Speaker 00

  I'm just looking at the comments. People are talking all sorts of shit.

• 3:11:18Joe Rogan?

  That's that fake Mona Lisa.

• 3:11:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:11:20Speaker 02

  Talking all sorts of shit.

• 3:11:21Joe Rogan?

  Do you know that one?

• 3:11:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, this, this, the phony Mona Lisa.

• 3:11:23Joe Rogan?

  You gotta pee.

• 3:11:24Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 3:11:25Joe Rogan?

  You gotta pee right now?

• 3:11:25Speaker 02

  I gotta piss like a racehorse.

• 3:11:26Joe Rogan?

  I knew. I could tell.

• 3:11:27Speaker 02

  You could see it in my eye?

• 3:11:28Joe Rogan?

  I could tell when a man starts wiggling in his chair.

• 3:11:30Speaker 02

  He's like, oh, he's gotta piss.

• 3:11:31Joe Rogan?

  I could tell that feeling. You're like, ah.

• 3:11:33Speaker 02

  I drank three, three fucking cups of coffee and then missed like an idiot.

• 3:11:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's not good. Uh, should we wrap it up?

• 3:11:37Speaker 02

  Let's do it.

• 3:11:38Joe Rogan?

  Let's do it. My man, uh, your special.

• 3:11:40Speaker 02

  White Noise.

• 3:11:41Joe Rogan?

  Available now. White Noise on Hulu. Uh, I heard it's hilarious.

• 3:11:45Speaker 02

  Nah, fuck you.

• 3:11:46Joe Rogan?

  It says it. It says it, bro. I'm just trying to help.

• 3:11:49Speaker 02

  When we went to New York and, and Burr was like, "Do you see this fucking shit?"

• 3:11:52Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 3:11:53Speaker 02

  And I looked up and I was like, "What is that?"

• 3:11:54Joe Rogan?

  Hilarious.

• 3:11:54Speaker 02

  He's like, "They got, this is the name they're doing for us." I was like, "Oh, so, well, what are you gonna do?" Whatever. Special's good. Go watch it.

• 3:12:00Joe Rogan?

  But it's good that they're doing it, though. Hulu's put out a lot of specials. They put out Burr's special, your special. Did they do one with Gaffigan as well?

• 3:12:06Speaker 02

  Gaffigan, Sebastian's coming.

• 3:12:08Joe Rogan?

  Sebastian, nice. That's great.

• 3:12:10Speaker 02

  They got some really good ones.

• 3:12:11Joe Rogan?

  Listen, the more, the better.

• 3:12:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 3:12:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the more streaming specials, the more competition there is for, you know.

• 3:12:17Speaker 02

  It's better for all of us.

• 3:12:18Joe Rogan?

  It's better for comics.

• 3:12:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:19Joe Rogan?

  For sure. And then maybe it's coming soon, The Jimmy Kimmel Show to Hulu. It'll be hilarious.

• 3:12:24Speaker 02

  It'll be hilarious.

• 3:12:27Joe Rogan?

  All right, my brother, I love you to death.

• 3:12:28Speaker 02

  Love you, man.

• 3:12:29Joe Rogan?

  Uh, how long are you staying in town?

• 3:12:30Speaker 02

  I'm going, uh, Kill Tony tonight.

• 3:12:32Joe Rogan?

  Are you here tomorrow?

• 3:12:33Speaker 02

  I gotta leave tomorrow afternoon.

• 3:12:34Joe Rogan?

  Shut the fuck up.

• 3:12:35Speaker 02

  I gotta go.

• 3:12:35Joe Rogan?

  I got a show tomorrow. Come, come and stay.

• 3:12:37Speaker 02

  I know, I gotta go.

• 3:12:37Joe Rogan?

  Do you have to?

• 3:12:38Speaker 02

  I do.

• 3:12:40Joe Rogan?

  All right.

• 3:12:40Speaker 02

  Next time.

• 3:12:41Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.

• 3:12:41Speaker 02

  Bye.

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