#2320 - Tom Segura

Tom Segura is a stand-up comedian, actor, podcaster, and author. He co-hosts two podcasts: “Your Mom’s House” with his wife, comedian Christina Pazsitzky, and “Two Bears, One Cave” with Bert Kreischer. He is also the author of “I’d Like to Play Alone, Please: Essays.” Watch his comedy series, “Bad Thoughts,” now streaming on Netflix.www.ymhstudios.com https://www.netflix.com/title/81740857 Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using dkng.co/rogan or with my promo code ROGAN. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new customer. $5+ first-time bet req. Max. $200 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 5/18/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:13Speaker 01

  What's wrong with you? How? First of all, how did Netflix let you make this show? Well, they wouldn't have let me make it if I just pitched it to them.

• 0:27Speaker 01

  What did you do? I made a few. I made a few and showed it to them. Oh, my God. Because I knew. I knew that I, like, that if we... You can't give anybody, like, the script. No. No. The script won't work. The script won't work. I mean, that's just...

• 0:43Speaker 01

  That's the thing is like... It's very funny. Very funny. Thanks, man. It's, um... So ridiculous. It's pretty ridiculous. You know, it was a few years ago that I made the, like, the initial one. It was, um, I was on that crazy tour, that real crazy tour, where it was like, you know, fucking 10 shows a week, and I had a break coming up. And so, I've always liked movies, like, features, right? But it's a lot, it's a huge undertaking to get a feature made, but I liked short films, because it feels like you're making a movie, you know, like a mini movie, right? Right. And it feels much more accessible to do. So I had written all these, like, short stories, short films, and I called my friend Rami Hoshash, and I was like, "Hey, I have a break coming up on tour.

• 1:28Speaker 01

  Let's shoot a short film," because we'd done other things before. And when I sent him, I sent him, like, 10 different scripts. He was like, "What if we did three of these?" I was like, "How can we do three of them?" He's like, "We'll shoot, like, 11 days in a row, and we can do three of these stories." And even then, I wasn't thinking of, like, having a television series. I was just like, "Oh, it'll be fun to make these, these stories," you know? And so after we shot those three, it was clear that we had like, like the, you know, the bones of a show. Like, what if we, what if we did a, a show that was based on short stories? You know, like short films, basically. And I don't know, I, I, there's, there was another, there's another few that were in the original.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  And when I sent them in to Netflix, they were like, this is fucking insane. But like, we'll make six episodes of this.

• 2:21Speaker 01

  And yeah, they were just like, this is crazy. But it's, it's been the most fun I've ever had, dude. Really? Yeah, yeah. Because you know what? I was thinking about it like on my way in here today. I was like, sometimes you have to remind yourself like of what your, like your dream, like your original dream, you know? And my dream, when I moved to LA, had nothing to do with stand-up. I never thought of stand-up. Not to say that I don't love doing stand-up today. I, I like, I, I'm in love with stand-up. But I moved to LA because I was like, oh, I want to do movies. Like, that was my whole thing. I want, I want to do comedy movies. And I had like my own blueprint for how I would do it. I was like, I'll go to the Groundlings.

• 3:06Speaker 01

  SNL will definitely hire me from there. Like, this is like my 21-year-old brain. And then I'll do that for a couple of years and then I'll do movies. Like, I, I thought that was a logical game plan to, to, to end up in movies. And it just, you know, I did do the Groundlings for a while, the school. But when I was supposed to do Writing Lab, which was like one of their levels, I had started stand-up and I was just like, oh, this path is just better for me. Like, I, I was getting traction, not like, my career wasn't moving. But I'm saying like, I could feel how much I loved it. And I was starting to get like 50 bucks here and there. And I was like, oh, it's not doing the Writing Lab thing. It's staying in the stand-up path, you know? Like, that's kind of like- Interesting.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  But the dream of like, of doing something like movies, which is like, this feels like to me, like they sent me to film school and they were like, make your fucked up movies. That's what it felt like. That's been like, I was, you know, I was working like- 16 hour days doing this thing and I would come home and Christina would be like, I have never seen you so energized. After working all goddamn day. She's like, you come home in the best mood. I was like, yeah, cuz I'm having fun. Like, I'm having so much fun doing this, you know?

• 4:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, that shows you're doing the right thing.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  I think so. I mean, it was like-

• 4:21Joe Rogan?

  That is so uniquely you.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  It is, right?

• 4:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's our fucking text thread.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  Pretty much is. There are some in here that I can't wait for you to see. Like, there are some in here that I literally cannot wait for you to see. She, this morning, she goes, why is it called Bad Thoughts? It should be called Cock Thoughts.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  She's like, I swear there's dicks in like every other one. I'm like, yeah. She's like, dicks and violence. That's your wheelhouse.

• 4:48Joe Rogan?

  We need more of this in the world.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:51Joe Rogan?

  We really do.

• 4:54Joe Rogan?

  You know that, um, that show, the, um, the religious show on Max? Why am I not remembering it? Righteous Gemstones.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:04Joe Rogan?

  Fucking A.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, man.

• 5:06Joe Rogan?

  Dude.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Danny McBride.

• 5:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  He's fucking fantastic.

• 5:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's fantastic, but the whole cast is fantastic. The fucking show is so good. It's so funny.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  Goggins, Adam Devine, John Goodman.

• 5:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Everyone's amazing.

• 5:19Speaker 01

  They're all fantastic.

• 5:20Joe Rogan?

  But it's also so ridiculous.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:22Joe Rogan?

  It's like, thank God. It's like, it seems like for a while, people were getting scared of making anything offensive.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  I know, and it also feels like so many studios, networks, platforms, whatever you wanna call it, are like so distanced from comedy. Like, it's like comedy is like-

• 5:40Joe Rogan?

  It's too dangerous.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  It's very like-

• 5:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, what's weird is you can get away with so much in a drama. In a drama, you could have violence and theft and car accidents. You could fucking kill people and rape people and steal all their money and, and that's okay.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:58Joe Rogan?

  For some reason. But like, there's something about doing comedy that's offensive or even potentially offensive.

• 6:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, the other thing is that there's the offensive angle. I also think that they really shit the bed on literally backing truly funny material. Like, the com- so many studio comedies that are released, the, the critics, people are like, why didn't this work? Cuz it's not good. It wasn't funny.

• 6:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  It's not a funny comedy.

• 6:27Joe Rogan?

  But don't you think part of that is because they can't take any real chances?

• 6:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, there, I think- A studio is always, you know, like if you strip everything down, it's somebody that has to have some risk in their job. They're playing with millions of dollars and saying like, this, this will make us money.

• 6:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  And so, yeah, they, they start to get more apprehensive about it. The other thing is that the cost of some of these comedies, when comedies were really thriving last, which was, I think, like more than 20 years ago, some of these comedies started to cost like 30 million plus to do a comedy. Yeah, because sometimes you had like huge stars and huge set pieces and you'd have these enormous budgets. Yeah, like real, and now some of them, like Tropic Thunder, I think did probably pretty well at the box office, right? But a lot of them would not. And so it started to be like, hey, you know what, we can make this. They start to, that's why you see the explosion of certain genres, right? Like horror really has had a huge uptick the last decade plus.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  People can produce them for 5 million, but they don't realize that you can produce great comedies for 5 million also. You can, but you have to like prioritize the material first. It's gotta be a great script and they gotta be willing to back it. You know, and I feel like they just haven't taken those, those shots yet.

• 7:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's kind of a tremendous opportunity, right? Because of the fact that these big studios and these big stars are not doing those kind of films.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 7:57Joe Rogan?

  Like the door is wide open because the demand has never gone away.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  No, people want it. They wanna laugh.

• 8:03Joe Rogan?

  Always.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  I'm doing one this summer.

• 8:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 8:05Speaker 01

  I'm doing a movie this summer, yeah.

• 8:06Joe Rogan?

  What are you doing?

• 8:07Speaker 01

  It's a crazy fucking comedy. It's insane. It hasn't been announced yet, so you know how they are about that. But it's a, it's a wild R-rated comedy.

• 8:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, tell me about it afterwards then.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah.

• 8:17Joe Rogan?

  Ha ha, everybody else.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I can't, I would love to talk about it. But, um, but I think we're, we're doing kinda like what you're saying, which is like, we're, we're gonna go all in on trying to make this really funny movie. And I, I mean, I couldn't be more excited about it. And I think it's, it's like, it takes, you realize when you're, you know, you read it and you go, this is it. We kind of do, you know, some punch-ups on the, the script and then you just try to surround yourself. With amazing comedic talent, you know, like great actors.

• 8:45Joe Rogan?

  And just have fun.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's like.

• 8:47Joe Rogan?

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• 11:17Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 11:17Speaker 01

  Something that's missing.

• 11:18Joe Rogan?

  That's so cool. I didn't even know that that was your original dream. I've fucking known you forever.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  I know, yeah. It was, I guess I was probably like, I kinda was resigned to that's not gonna happen, too. You know, not like, I mean, the other thing is like, dude, every time I'm out on the road, you know, I would get a call, "Hey, they wanna see you for this part." Or, "You got an offer to shoot this show," or this, like, "Here's the offer." And I'm like, "Yeah, I'm on tour." Like, I can't move the fucking United Center, you know?

• 11:51Joe Rogan?

  They don't care.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  They don't care.

• 11:52Joe Rogan?

  They just want that piece.

• 11:54Speaker 01

  And I'm like, dude, I can't-

• 11:54Joe Rogan?

  Because they don't get a piece of that United Center.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  I know. Like, I can't move all that shit. But that's also, I realized that after years of that, it's like, well, if I'm always touring, I'm just never gonna be able to do something else.

• 12:05Joe Rogan?

  Other people's stuff.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so, it also kind of, I got excited about, you know, having the summer off and I could do something. And then my tour, the current tour I'm on, will end in December and I'm leaving 26 wide open.

• 12:18Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:19Joe Rogan?

  You're just gonna film stuff?

• 12:21Speaker 01

  I'm gonna, yeah, film some stuff and then, I'll still do like what I do, which is like, go into your club or book some club weekends, which are kinda like low, you know, stress kinda things, where you go like, "Hey, I'm just gonna go work out." So I'll try to keep the muscle fresh, but I won't book like a tour, you know?

• 12:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:40Joe Rogan?

  Uh, it's good to take breaks.

• 12:42Speaker 01

  It is, right?

• 12:43Joe Rogan?

  I'll tell you that. I took a big, sort of a break. I've just been doing the club.

• 12:47Speaker 01

  How's a-

• 12:48Joe Rogan?

  Since I did my live special.

• 12:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:50Joe Rogan?

  It's, uh, very nice. It's not, it's great having no pressure. So like, I just talk about what I wanna talk about and I write about what I wanna write about, instead of going, "I gotta put an hour together." Because I have a tour in three months.

• 13:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 13:04Joe Rogan?

  Like, I have to make sure this hour's tight. I have to-

• 13:06Speaker 01

  You just kinda take your time with it.

• 13:08Joe Rogan?

  And I think there's something to be said for taking breaks, uh, with stand-up in particular, because like- You don't wanna just have tools that you use to do a job, right? You wanna actually like, you have to kind of figure out, what am I investing all my time in these subject matters?

• 13:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:28Joe Rogan?

  What am I, what am I, what is like, what's interesting to me? And how much time is that gonna take to figure out what the perspective is where I could just say it on stage?

• 13:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:37Joe Rogan?

  Cause I feel like with a lot of comics, there's a thing happens where you get kind of like locked into a set and then you abandon that set and there's this mad scramble to come up with a new set.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 13:53Joe Rogan?

  And a lot of times when you're doing that new set, it's not, you're not invested in it. It just, you know, you can make it effective.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:01Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 14:02Speaker 01

  It's kind of feels like filler.

• 14:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  I know exactly what you mean.

• 14:05Joe Rogan?

  And the, the audience feels that too.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  I think they definitely do.

• 14:08Joe Rogan?

  They do.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  They do.

• 14:09Joe Rogan?

  They do, cause I feel it as an audience member. I know when someone's doing that and I go, oh, this is not, I'm not connecting with this at all.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  Right, but if it's something that you can tell the person wants to talk about.

• 14:19Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  It resonates, it hits different.

• 14:22Joe Rogan?

  Actually interesting, that's the thing, it's like, you know, as I've gotten older, I've thought, thought much more about stand-up. And I, there's a lot of stand-up is kind of like unspoken. I think a lot of it is hypnosis.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  Really?

• 14:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a weird thing going on and I, I get, I get it from like great comedians. Like, when I was a kid, there was this guy named Frank Santos, the R-rated hypnotist. And he would go on stage and make people do stuff and like, you know, you're having sex with Madonna, it was really weird.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:55Joe Rogan?

  There was a, a flow to the, his confidence or something about him. And he was also an actual hypnotic, like, you know, hypnotized people to quit smoking and shit like that.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:05Joe Rogan?

  And there was something that he was doing. Where I was like, what is he doing? Like, how's he like, what is this connection? Where it's just so funny. Like, how is he getting into these people's heads? Like, what is hypnosis? And then I see like a guy like Attell onstage when he's killing. And I recognize something in, I'm like, he's hypnotizing us.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:25Joe Rogan?

  There's something that he's doing.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 15:28Joe Rogan?

  This effortless, effortless confidence and connection to what he's talking about. And great material also. So you give him the reins. You're like, oh, this material so good. Oh, give me the reins. Take my brain.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  Take my brain.

• 15:40Joe Rogan?

  Take my brain.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  And the rhythm of the cadence, too.

• 15:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:43Speaker 01

  Cause he has a very particular cadence. And you, you know, if you hang out with him or work with him, like I did a few times, you start doing the cadence.

• 15:53Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people do.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Start doing the cadence. And I did that. I did that in like oh five, oh six.

• 15:59Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  When I was like, he was on his show and his out, his first like killer album came out, Skanks for the Memories.

• 16:05Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I'd feel like I would be talking like to you like this. I'd get on stage, I'd be like, how's everybody doing? Like, I would just start doing, cause it's such like a hypnotic type of cadence.

• 16:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Patrice always says that about like having babies. Like, that's his babies.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:19Joe Rogan?

  Like David Attell has a bunch of babies.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:22Joe Rogan?

  It's like a bunch of people that gave, he gave birth to their.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  One hundred percent. Yeah.

• 16:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's super normal. A lot of people have that. But it's, it's interesting how that stuff works. That, that, that, that, there's a thing that's going on, which is why live stand-up is so much better than stand-up on television.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  Dude, I also had this thing recently, cause I'm on tour right now. I realized that like, man, it's funny how I could be, I could be like tired. And being tired, take, I go onstage in a different mindset.

• 17:00Speaker 01

  And all of a sudden, I'm like, wow, that was a way better set. Like, I had the right amount of tired. Not tired where I can't think.

• 17:06Joe Rogan?

  But more relaxed.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  More, yeah. And then, and then I get off and like, my whole tour crew was like, that was fucking amazing show. And I'm like, yeah, I feel like I was too tired to be like self-conscious or something. You know what I mean?

• 17:18Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 17:19Speaker 01

  Like, like some, some of my self-awareness went away, but like, the right degree of it went away.

• 17:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:25Speaker 01

  And then the show just felt better.

• 17:27Joe Rogan?

  And then you locked in with them.

• 17:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I also like to tell myself sometimes if I remember that I'm best onstage if I'm going onstage in a silly mindset. If I'm goofing off backstage.

• 17:40Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 17:41Speaker 01

  Fucking around, you know?

• 17:43Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  Making fun of somebody that's like in my crew or some, I don't know, you know, like dancing in the green room, like, just silly. That, that mindset, walking up onstage, is like, the best one to go onstage with.

• 17:56Joe Rogan?

  That's why I used to love working with Joey so much.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:59Joe Rogan?

  Because, oh, two things. One, Joey would make me laugh, like, while he was onstage. I'd be waiting to go onstage, instead of thinking about my material and going over everything with a fine-tooth comb. I'd just be laughing.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:10Joe Rogan?

  And then I'd go onstage laughing.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  And that's, that, that's the thing, is that's an unspoken thing. But the audience goes like, there's joy coming from this person.

• 18:18Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  You know, they feel the joy. Yeah, legit. They really do.

• 18:21Joe Rogan?

  Cause like, there's nothing grosser than fake laughs.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:25Joe Rogan?

  When a comedian does the fake laugh thing, it's fucking gross.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:29Joe Rogan?

  It's just like, when you know, they've said that fucking same joke, the same way.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:33Joe Rogan?

  Every night with the same laugh.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:36Joe Rogan?

  Like, ugh, you're tricking me.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  You're tricking me, yeah.

• 18:38Joe Rogan?

  You're tricking me, you're a hooker.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  It's so manufactured, you know? It's so calculated.

• 18:45Joe Rogan?

  Which is fine, I mean, do, whatever, do whatever you want. But it's like, there's, there's a thing that comes with that, that's like, okay. I'm never gonna be fully locked in, but maybe I can just appreciate this for, you know?

• 18:57Speaker 01

  True.

• 18:58Joe Rogan?

  Like I'm watching a sitcom.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:59Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 19:00Speaker 01

  And then there's also nothing as fun as genuine laughter on, like,

• 19:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  If something really makes you laugh while you're doing a set, that's the most fun.

• 19:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  And that becomes contagious.

• 19:15Joe Rogan?

  It's like, that's why the bits work so good when you first start doing them.

• 19:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:19Joe Rogan?

  And then sometimes they die off, cause you're getting tired of it, and you're not laughing anymore.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:23Joe Rogan?

  Whereas like there's certain things, like the subject, when you first start talking about it, you're like, what the fuck is going on? How is this a real thing?

• 19:32Speaker 01

  It's so funny because we were just talking about how there's certain bits where you, it kills, like it kills, right? And then over the next few months.

• 19:45Joe Rogan?

  It dies.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  It dies slowly.

• 19:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  And you're trying to do the math. You're like, wait, am I saying it different? Am I, like, you just go listen.

• 19:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:53Speaker 01

  Did I miss a beat or something? Did I miss some connective tissue?

• 19:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  What's going on? And it just like, by the end, you're like, no, it's fully dead. It has died. I don't know what happened.

• 20:01Joe Rogan?

  You just gotta be able to accept that they're dead.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's such a funny thing, though, that happens.

• 20:06Joe Rogan?

  I have a bunch of bits I call orphans. We have a file of orphans.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  Oh, like.

• 20:11Joe Rogan?

  They're all bits that just never made it onto a special.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:13Joe Rogan?

  Someone comes up to me, like, every now and then, one of my friends will come up to me like, do you do that fucking, is that on anything? I was like, that one's just an orphan.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  It's an orphan.

• 20:21Joe Rogan?

  It's just floating around. It doesn't fit with anything. It's all so fucked up.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  And sometimes you like, you ever try to bring those back? I've brought some back that didn't make it. And sometimes they get new life.

• 20:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  And then sometimes you're like, oh, there's a reason why I didn't carry this one on.

• 20:35Joe Rogan?

  You know, when they pop up is Bottom of the Barrel.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:39Joe Rogan?

  Bottom of the Barrel, it's the best show. The Bottom of the Barrel, every now and then I'll pull something out and go, actually, I have a fucking ancient bit on this.

• 20:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:48Joe Rogan?

  If I can kind of remember it.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  That's the other thing is your memory starts to, on the old stuff.

• 20:53Joe Rogan?

  My memory's gone on my last special. It's gone.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  That's the, that's the best thing that can happen.

• 20:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's gone.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  I get called out to, you know, do this bit. And I go, I honestly don't remember how it goes. Like, I'll start it and then I'll forget.

• 21:06Joe Rogan?

  Right. You want to do it?

• 21:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then some, they'll know it. They'll know it better than you. And you're like, oh, yeah.

• 21:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sometimes that's good. That would be funny if they did it. They acted it out.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  It's pretty fun.

• 21:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because there's certain bits, like, they just leave your mind. It's like, I'm done with this.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  But did you, did you like any of the acting stuff? Because I know you don't have any interest in doing it anymore, but did you enjoy it?

• 21:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, news radio was really fun.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  That was fun.

• 21:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was fun. I didn't mind doing it. It's just I didn't like it. As much and I didn't like the time commitment that these, these. I mean, I don't sound like I'm complaining, oh, it's acting so hard. But it's like you're working these long ass days.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:45Joe Rogan?

  And as a person who likes to do a lot of different things, that becomes a problem.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  And you were on a multi cam.

• 21:50Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Imagine if you were on a single cam.

• 21:52Joe Rogan?

  Way harder.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  That would have been.

• 21:53Joe Rogan?

  Single cams are crazy. I had friends that are on single cams. I was like, oh, my God, how are you doing this? They were working six days a week and they would work at like 12, 15 hours a day.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:03Joe Rogan?

  Like, this is so crazy. Like, I like to do a bunch of stuff, man. I like to do jujitsu. I like to play pool.

• 22:09Speaker 01

  Are you rolling again?

• 22:10Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm still injured. I'm still dealing with some small, it's a lot better now, lower back issue. And a little bit of a knee issue, but that's pretty good too.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Did I say, yeah, my, my little guy quit jujitsu?

• 22:23Joe Rogan?

  Why? Why'd he quit?

• 22:25Speaker 01

  The funniest thing. They both go, both my boys go. And we, we take them in and my youngest is like, this is my last one. He's six. And I go, is your last one? He goes, dude, my schedule is crazy. I go, what?

• 22:40Joe Rogan?

  He's sick off being his dad.

• 22:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's talking like me. And he goes, I have a full plate. And I go, you have a full plate? He goes, I go kindergarten, I got Spanish, do drums. I don't have time for this.

• 22:50Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 22:51Speaker 01

  And then he told the instructor, he told the, the guy in charge. I was like, tell him. He goes, I won't be coming back. I have a very full schedule. And so that guy kind of like smiled and he goes, well, what do you have? He goes, I told you kindergarten, drums, Spanish. I don't have time to do everything.

• 23:09Joe Rogan?

  He's six.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  Six. And I go, yeah.

• 23:12Joe Rogan?

  Is this the one who calls you Tom?

• 23:14Speaker 01

  Well, they both did for a while, but yeah. So he goes, but the instructor was great. He goes, okay, okay. He goes, well, in life, you have to be strong, right? And my kid goes, yeah. He goes, it's not an option. And he goes, yeah. He goes, so if you have to be strong, then you have to do this. And my kid's like, yeah. He goes, the instructor goes, so I'll see you Thursday. And he sticks out his fist and my kid goes, I told you, I'm too busy.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so he hasn't gone. But this is the thing about kids is like, he hasn't gone now in like, a month. And then now he's like, hey, I want to go back to jujitsu. I'm like, of course.

• 23:59Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  And also, his older brother is doing very well.

• 24:04Joe Rogan?

  Ah, that's a problem.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  And so he got, he got a new belt, you know? And, and he's, my older brother's like fucking him up and talking mad shit all day. Takes his shirt off every day and he goes, I'm gonna be so fucking jacked.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  So he's like, ah shit, I gotta get back in there.

• 24:23Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta hedge your time. Like, you have to figure out, like, what do, what do you want to do?

• 24:29Speaker 01

  You are the mo, you're the most insane in my book for a person who does the most different things. Cause you are, you're highly proficient at archery, jujitsu, shoot and pull, fitness, this shit. Stand, like, that's a lot of different things to be like, very good at.

• 24:50Joe Rogan?

  Do I have to pick my spots?

• 24:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:52Joe Rogan?

  You know, cause I'm an obsessive person.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:55Joe Rogan?

  So like, I have to, like, that's why I don't fuck with golf. That's why I don't fuck with video games.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  Golf will get you, dude.

• 25:00Joe Rogan?

  Video games will get me.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  I stayed away from video games for 20 years about, about 20 years. And we got a console.

• 25:07Joe Rogan?

  Uh oh.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  Well, here's the thing, I actually found that I am busy enough where I, in my brain, I can go, yeah, I can't, I can't. I can, I can do 20 minutes on certain days and get like a little dopamine kick from it, like have fun. But most of the time I walk by and I go, I wanna, I got out of time to play.

• 25:24Joe Rogan?

  My problem is if I put that 20 minutes in, I'm gonna, I'll be up till five in the morning. I'll go, I don't need sleep, I just won't work out tomorrow.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:33Joe Rogan?

  I'll just show up, half in the bag, I'll eat a lot of creatine, so my brain works. Do you know to do that?

• 25:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I started doing it every day. Yeah.

• 25:41Joe Rogan?

  But that's a really big one for sleep deprivation.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Really?

• 25:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there was some sort of study where they showed that it completely diminishes the effects of sleep deprivation. If you take, I think it's 20 grams, I think 20 grams of creatine, something crazy like that.

• 25:55Speaker 01

  I've been doing that, I have a whole new sleep protocol I'm doing.

• 25:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, a sleep protocol.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Like, I'm saying a bunch of peptides and shit, yeah.

• 26:02Joe Rogan?

  I just ordered an Oura ring, track my sleep.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  That's good. Do you have, do you have to try that pineal?

• 26:07Joe Rogan?

  No, I haven't, I heard about it. You were telling me it really ramped up your REM sleep.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  Fucking awesome.

• 26:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:13Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. Anything for more sleep, I'm into, man.

• 26:16Joe Rogan?

  Tell you what really affected.

• 26:17Speaker 01

  Quality sleep.

• 26:18Joe Rogan?

  No drinking, that really affected my sleep a lot.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  Really?

• 26:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  Were you drinking a lot?

• 26:23Joe Rogan?

  Not a lot, not like Burt levels.

• 26:27Joe Rogan?

  But like last time I was sober, I was with him. We were all, it was like, it was a great table. It was like Taylor Sheridan.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:35Joe Rogan?

  His wife, my wife was there, Burt and his wife, David Goggins and his wife.

• 26:39Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 26:39Joe Rogan?

  And then a bunch of my professional pool player friends.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  That's a fun table.

• 26:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it was fucking phenomenal. We had so much fun. We all had dinner together after the UFC fight. And Burt is just throwing back martinis.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:53Joe Rogan?

  And I was like, oh, I definitely made the right choice.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:56Joe Rogan?

  I definitely made the right choice. Like, I'm watching him, he's slowly turning into a human grape in front of my eyes. He's

• 27:04Joe Rogan?

  Fucking reddish face. He was hilarious.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  He was, he was.

• 27:07Joe Rogan?

  I'll tell you that, at the table, we were having a lot of laughs.

• 27:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:11Joe Rogan?

  But I was like.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  He can knock him down, dude. He can really knock him down.

• 27:14Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he found out we were leaving, so he ordered two more to down on the way out the door. He just downed two more, he's, "Oh, the door!" Like, just down these martinis on the way out the door. I'm like, this is fucking preposterous.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  It's preposterous.

• 27:26Joe Rogan?

  And then I talked to him, and he goes, "I got all my blood work done. Perfect. Everything's perfect."

• 27:31Speaker 01

  I know.

• 27:31Joe Rogan?

  I was like, how's that possible?

• 27:33Speaker 01

  He always says that. And I saw somebody comment the other day on our podcast, they go, "The documentary about Burt's doctor,

• 27:42Speaker 01

  who says blood work is perfect, is gonna be unbelievable."

• 27:47Joe Rogan?

  It's a complete charlatan.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  It's gotta be, dude. It's gotta be.

• 27:51Joe Rogan?

  Dirty lab coat with a fucking mouse in his pocket, like, some crazy guy.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  Complete lunatic. Who's like, "You're great."

• 27:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, that's so funny. That's so funny.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, he lets, we had dinner and he was like, "Wine, wine, anybody want wine?" And I was like, "I'm good." And he's like, "Uh, we'll do a bottle of wine for the table." And nobody had wine, so he just dumps the bottle into his glass.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  And he can drink it in like five minutes.

• 28:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:17Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 28:17Joe Rogan?

  It's bizarre. Well, it's obvious like it's gotta be an adaptive thing, right? Like running is.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:26Joe Rogan?

  If you run never, you can't run a marathon.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:30Joe Rogan?

  But if you run a lot, you can run a marathon.

• 28:32Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 28:32Joe Rogan?

  You get it used to it. Your body gets accustomed to putting in the miles, five before work every day.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  You know, we always talk about that freak show shit he has in him, like he's freaky.

• 28:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's freak. Yeah.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  We, we did the, the 5K in, in Tampa. We had like 8,000 people come out this year. It's crazy.

• 28:48Joe Rogan?

  Amazing.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  And so many people that are like, you know, making.

• 28:54Joe Rogan?

  Look at that.

• 28:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, making leaps.

• 28:56Joe Rogan?

  By the way, how good is Jelly Roll look?

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Dude, do you know what he's down?

• 28:59Joe Rogan?

  200 pounds.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. And from last year, 130.

• 29:02Joe Rogan?

  That's amazing.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  And he's like, I want to lose another hundred.

• 29:04Joe Rogan?

  That's insane. So what's he at now?

• 29:06Speaker 01

  He's at 340.

• 29:07Joe Rogan?

  So he wants to get down to 240. Wow.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  He wants to get to 240.

• 29:11Joe Rogan?

  He's a big guy. For him, 240 is probably right.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's probably, and, and I, by the way, we were talking before he got there. The 5K had, it was in Raymond James Stadium where the Bucks play. So I was like, well, how are we mapping out 3.1? Well, the only way to do that in a, a venue of this size is you had to like use every, you know, square inch of the place. So they had us go up the ramp. Like if you're gonna go up to the top, there's a ramp that goes up. It's nine stories up of all incline.

• 29:44Joe Rogan?

  Boy.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  And then you go across, then you go down, and you go up again.

• 29:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, a lot of incline.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  Like half a mile plus of incline, right?

• 29:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 29:52Speaker 01

  So before Jelly gets here, I'm like, I don't know if he can do this, man. You know what I mean? Like he's a big guy still. Knees, cardio, all this shit.

• 29:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  Dude, he fucking smashed it.

• 30:01Joe Rogan?

  That's incredible.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  He did, he did great.

• 30:02Joe Rogan?

  Did he hire a trainer? Like how is he, what is he doing?

• 30:05Speaker 01

  I think some people.

• 30:06Joe Rogan?

  He got rid of his phone.

• 30:07Speaker 01

  I know. He has like a flip phone that like doesn't even, like that you can, I don't even know if you can get texts on it. So.

• 30:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he just chucked his phone out. Apparently, like all the years of drinking, he just gave his phone number out to so many people. And they decided instead of getting a new number.

• 30:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:23Joe Rogan?

  Which is what you should do.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:25Joe Rogan?

  He's like, I'm just, no phone. Fuck it.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  That's fucking awesome, by the way.

• 30:28Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  I love, like, I used to panic when I left my phone behind. Now when I forget my phone, I'm like, oh, it's gonna be a great day. I left my phone. I'll, I'll get it later. Like I'm just, I feel fine.

• 30:37Joe Rogan?

  It's a great feeling.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're all prisoners.

• 30:40Speaker 01

  We are totally prisoners.

• 30:41Joe Rogan?

  We're prisoners and it's gonna get worse.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  Oh, this is the thing I wanted to tell you. So, some of the Bucks players came out, the offensive linemen. These are absolute beasts. Six-five, six-six, three-thirty, like, just fucking-

• 30:58Joe Rogan?

  Giants.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Giants, they're gorillas. And we're doing all this silly competition stuff, like, we hit the golf simulator, throw a fucking spear into like a bale of hay, and then they're like, "Oh, we need one more thing." So, we have a beer stein holding contest. So, it says-

• 31:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Burt won that.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, he beat fucking All-Pro.

• 31:20Joe Rogan?

  He's been hold- that's like, come on, man.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  But look at these fucking guys.

• 31:24Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't that make sense?

• 31:25Speaker 01

  It does make sense, but you still go like-

• 31:27Joe Rogan?

  Those skinny guys can throw a baseball a lot faster than these dudes.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  It's just crazy to me, though, like-

• 31:32Joe Rogan?

  Not to me.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  The upper bodies on these dudes, I'm like, "No, they're, they're, these guys are-"

• 31:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's gonna win. He's used to holding beers.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:40Joe Rogan?

  He's used to holding drinks.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  I couldn't do it, I tapped out, like, my arm just gave out, and then-

• 31:46Joe Rogan?

  Look at him, he's still smiling.

• 31:47Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:48Joe Rogan?

  He got nothing wrong. That's insane.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then, um, yeah, they slowly fell-

• 31:53Joe Rogan?

  I bet if he did, his left arm would fall off. I bet he literally wouldn't be able to, he's just been holding up drinks so long. Also, like, toasting crowds for so long, look at this.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:04Joe Rogan?

  He beat everybody. He should hold out and just humiliate them after he's done, just keep going.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  Oh, he held it up after he was done.

• 32:10Joe Rogan?

  That big guy looks like he's ready to, ready to break. He gave up.

• 32:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:14Joe Rogan?

  Look at Burt.

• 32:15Speaker 01

  Didn't even-

• 32:16Joe Rogan?

  Look at this.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  Just insane.

• 32:21Joe Rogan?

  He's a, like, got incredible genetics. Like, if he wanted to be an athlete, he'd be an incredible athlete.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so, if he was, like, super dedicated to it, yeah.

• 32:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's just trapped, trapped in booze.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 32:32Joe Rogan?

  But it's also made him very rich, so, I don't know what to say.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Working out.

• 32:37Joe Rogan?

  I love him, you know, I don't want him to change, but I do, I mean, I want him to be healthy, but like, like, when we first started doing Sober October, it was essentially just because we were worried Burt was gonna die.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:47Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 32:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, he's still here.

• 32:49Joe Rogan?

  I mean, the first one was the weight loss thing.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  Blood work's perfect, yeah.

• 32:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's nuts.

• 32:54Speaker 01

  What's that, what type of resistance is that?

• 32:56Joe Rogan?

  Um, I don't know, I think it's like a hundred and something.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  A hundred and something?

• 32:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:59Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 33:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm obsessed with, you know, that squeeze machine?

• 33:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:06Joe Rogan?

  You know, the thing?

• 33:06Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, that measures your grip?

• 33:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I got a hundred and sixty-one and I want to get one ninety.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  Oh, so you're training for it?

• 33:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Do you have one here?

• 33:14Joe Rogan?

  No. I think we do, yeah, we do out there, yeah, out in the hallway, but we do at the cl- the club. And so, when the club, when I first did it, I think I got one forty-seven, I was like, well, this is bullshit.

• 33:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:25Joe Rogan?

  And then I got, and then I got up to one sixty-one without these things.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  I bet.

• 33:30Joe Rogan?

  Just from working out a lot.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  I bet, uh, David has a crazy grip strength.

• 33:36Joe Rogan?

  Which David?

• 33:36Speaker 01

  Lucas.

• 33:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, he's a big guy.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  Big hands.

• 33:39Joe Rogan?

  Big hands. Jamar has one, Jamar Neighbors, I think he got one sixty-seven.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 33:45Joe Rogan?

  Jamar's strong.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 33:47Joe Rogan?

  You've seen, you've seen him with his shirt off, right?

• 33:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's jacked.

• 33:49Joe Rogan?

  Jacked. Um, but, uh, you know, we've had some, like, big dudes come in there and do it.

• 33:57Joe Rogan?

  Um, I don't know, who's got like the record on that thing?

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Record's gotta be...

• 34:01Joe Rogan?

  The UFC had a bunch of guys do it, and I th- I forget who had the highest. But I think, um, I think Alex Pereira was like one eighty, he was up in the like...

• 34:11Speaker 01

  He's a big fuck, I didn't realize how big he, I didn't realize, because you know, TV's so deceptive.

• 34:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  And then I saw somebody I know standing next to him and I was like, holy shit.

• 34:20Joe Rogan?

  Wiz Olivera, ninety-seven, oh, that's crazy, he didn't even try.

• 34:24Speaker 04

  They're also doing their left hand, maybe?

• 34:25Joe Rogan?

  Michael Chandler, one thirteen, what? No, he's doing his right hand. Are you doing your opposite hand? Because Paul Craig, I think, is a lefty, one twenty-six. Bo Nickel, he's a lefty too, so they're doing their opposite hand?

• 34:38Speaker 01

  They're doing opposite hand.

• 34:40Joe Rogan?

  What's his? One fifty-three?

• 34:44Joe Rogan?

  Wyman's strong as fuck, let me see what he's got.

• 34:48Joe Rogan?

  One fifty-three. Stipe's huge. What's he got? He's a left-hander too, yeah?

• 34:54Speaker 04

  Fireman strength?

• 34:55Joe Rogan?

  He's a big fucking dude, though. One thirty-one, wow, that's crazy.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Other hand.

• 35:02Joe Rogan?

  Other hand.

• 35:05Joe Rogan?

  One oh four. Oh, Jesus Christ. Second attempt.

• 35:10Joe Rogan?

  One fifty-five. Alright, so, great. I'm stronger than all those bitches.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  There you go. Fuck yeah.

• 35:15Joe Rogan?

  But I'm trying to get to one ninety.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  One ninety's crazy.

• 35:18Joe Rogan?

  I think this is like one fifteen or something like that. I forgot what it is.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  Some of those, uh...

• 35:24Joe Rogan?

  Just fucking hold it.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  Those arm wrestling guys?

• 35:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  They have freaky forearms.

• 35:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. I was watching this one guy who's a climber. Who's a professional climber.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 35:36Joe Rogan?

  And, yeah, he has this basement gym. I might have saved the video, but I think if you find it on YouTube, it's like, I've never seen strength like this. This guy has calves growing off of his forearm bone. It's like a calf.

• 35:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:52Joe Rogan?

  And he's doing one finger chin ups.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  I don't understand it.

• 35:56Joe Rogan?

  With like a centimeter of hold. Like, it's the tiniest little lip that his finger's resting on, and he's pulling his whole body up.

• 36:05Speaker 04

  This guy, but, I mean, he's doing the same thing.

• 36:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But look at that. That's crazy. It's not this guy. The other guy is like super jacked. His forearms are at least. He's not like bodybuilder size, but the musculature is crazy.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  I saw one of those guys who I guess is in the rock climbing, mountain climbing world. He's considered one of the best.

• 36:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the guy. That's the guy. So this guy does a bunch of freaky shit. What is this dude's name? Yeah, look at, look at the fucking, look at that one arm thing. See that? The size of the grip?

• 36:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:39Joe Rogan?

  Look how fat that grip is. Like, doing a one-arm chin up is crazy.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  Look at his back, dude.

• 36:44Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. But doing a one-arm chin, look at the size of his fucking forearms.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:48Joe Rogan?

  Doing a one-arm chin is crazy, but a one-arm chin up with a fat grip like that is off-the-charts nuts. Like, his strength must be insane. And, but you look at him like right there, like his neck and everything? He doesn't look like that strong of a guy.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:02Joe Rogan?

  It's very deceptive because with climbers, you can't have, you don't need traps. You can't have like excess stuff. So everything is ve- like, look at his forearms. Look at his grips. But look, the size of his fucking forearms when he's doing that is crazy. See if you can isolate when they, when he was doing that with his forearms. The NBA 82 game grind is done and now the real fun begins. The NBA playoffs are here and it's time for all the high stakes drama, clutch moments, and jaw dropping plays. I can't wait. If you're looking to make the playoffs even more exciting, DraftKings Sportsbook has you covered as an official sports betting partner of the NBA.

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• 39:07Speaker 01

  Is he the one who went with, who did a workout with Larry Wheels? Did you ever see that?

• 39:11Joe Rogan?

  No, that's a different guy. But yeah, I've seen that too. Yeah, I think it might be that guy.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  Might be.

• 39:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've seen him on YouTube.

• 39:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But, and he's blown away.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  By this guy?

• 39:23Joe Rogan?

  This guy. It's like mountain climbing, if you think about it, just the amount of reps that you're picking your body weight up and holding, like gymnasts. Like who's more jacked than the guys who do the rings?

• 39:34Speaker 01

  No.

• 39:35Joe Rogan?

  They're super jacked. Like look at his forearms. Look at the, back up a little second and just freeze it. Look at, freeze it right there. Freeze it. Look at that left fucking forearm.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 39:45Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts, man.

• 39:47Speaker 01

  There's a split in the muscle.

• 39:48Joe Rogan?

  That's a calf.

• 39:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a calf.

• 39:49Joe Rogan?

  That's a calf. That's like a strong calf.

• 39:52Speaker 01

  And this is like a big endorsement for calisthenics, basically, right? I mean, isn't it?

• 39:56Joe Rogan?

  Calisthenics are huge.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:57Joe Rogan?

  They're huge. It's a big part of my workout.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  Really?

• 40:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. I do a lot of calisthenics. I do, you know, I still do the hundred pushups every day and the hundred bodyweight squats. But I do chinups, dips, and L-L pullups. You know, like, so you're, like, with a close grip.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:14Joe Rogan?

  With the legs extended.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:15Joe Rogan?

  I do all those.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  Really?

• 40:16Joe Rogan?

  They're huge. Yeah, it's, it's, you wanna be able to, and you know the thing I a lot of do? I do, um, hang from a bar like this, where I swing my toes up and I touch the bar.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:25Joe Rogan?

  So it's like, really works.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  The core.

• 40:27Joe Rogan?

  Your core, too. That's, like, being able to manipulate your own body weight is crucial.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz those gymnasts are like, you're like, some of them, like, I've never touched weights. I'm just doing this shit all day.

• 40:37Joe Rogan?

  Which is nuts.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  And they have.

• 40:39Joe Rogan?

  But it's not time efficient.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:42Joe Rogan?

  Cuz they're doing that.

• 40:43Speaker 01

  Hours.

• 40:43Joe Rogan?

  Their muscles are like that because they're doing, you know, eight-hour sessions. But you can get a lot done with your body with just dips and chinups. A lot.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  Dips are incredible.

• 40:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  So good. I mean, that, that was like, um, I think when Arnold would talk about chest, he was like, that's, that was like the, the, you know, the cherry on top for the workouts was doing, he's like, we always would do dips.

• 41:06Joe Rogan?

  And you could do, and you could do weighted dips, too.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:09Joe Rogan?

  Dips are so easy to do with weight, or throw a chain over your neck, or put a weight vest on, or something like that.

• 41:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:15Joe Rogan?

  That's another thing I found, like, just a 25-pound weight vest, where it doesn't feel like anything when you're wearing it. But when you do stuff with it on, like chinups and pullups, like, holy fuck.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:24Joe Rogan?

  Makes a giant difference.

• 41:25Speaker 01

  So different. And then when you take that thing off, you're like, oh, man.

• 41:28Joe Rogan?

  Right. So imagine being 25 pounds too heavy.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:31Joe Rogan?

  And then imagine being Jelly Roll. So Jelly Roll's walking around 200 pounds too heavy before, at least.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  At least.

• 41:39Joe Rogan?

  So it's actually 300 pounds, right? Cuz he wants to lose another 100.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:42Joe Rogan?

  So imagine just carrying around, everywhere you go, you got a squat rack, like a, like a real... Bar stuffed with plates and you're just carrying that through life.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:54Joe Rogan?

  That's what they're doing.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  That's cra- that's why those guys fucking lower bodies are always crazy when they lose.

• 41:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Ralphie May used to have the biggest calves in the world.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:02Joe Rogan?

  His legs were like carrying that.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Tree trunks.

• 42:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god, yeah, just carrying around that body all day.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  That's nuts.

• 42:09Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  If they, and if they trim down enough, the quads are still humongous.

• 42:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Bert lost weight, he would get weaker. But you do get weaker when you lose weight.

• 42:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:18Joe Rogan?

  That's a fact.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's always a, mass moves mass.

• 42:21Joe Rogan?

  It's also like to lose weight, to lose body fat, your body has to think something's wrong. Like, it's very difficult to maintain mass, like, maintain muscle mass while you're losing fat.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's hard.

• 42:35Joe Rogan?

  You gotta be real careful with everything.

• 42:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 42:38Joe Rogan?

  And you gotta try not to lose too much weight too quick, because a lot of people with we- losing weight, like, a lot of people become food addicts and then addicts act like addicts and you start thinking, ah, I gotta lose it all right now. And so you starve yourself.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  It's not the way to go.

• 42:52Joe Rogan?

  And you just work out eight hours a day and, well, you're gonna lose all your muscle, too.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  Everything.

• 42:56Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna lose everything and you're probably gonna get injured, because your body's gonna like, hey, fucking idiot.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:02Joe Rogan?

  And then like, give you that tendonitis, how about a little back bulge and how about a fucking sore knee?

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:09Joe Rogan?

  How about plantar fasciitis, slow the fuck down. Your body tries to figure out a way to slow you down.

• 43:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, slower, slow and steady's the way, for sure, yeah.

• 43:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it just sucks. You know, you wanna get, if you've realized you fucked up, it would be nice if you could just get better quick. Like, oh, I just, I got a month before summer and I'm fifty pounds overweight, fuck!

• 43:30Speaker 01

  Fuck, I wanna lose another ten, fifteen right now.

• 43:33Joe Rogan?

  What do you wanna do to do it?

• 43:35Speaker 01

  Um, just dial in, you know, it's really about consistency, I feel like, with me, right? Like, my window for when I go, oh shit, is just so much smaller than it used to be.

• 43:44Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  So, right now, I'm like, oh. I've slid a little bit. I've been on tour. I've been doing all this shit. I just have to.

• 43:51Joe Rogan?

  Tour, it's hard, right?

• 43:51Speaker 01

  It's hard.

• 43:52Joe Rogan?

  Cause you're like, I'm working, fuck it, cheeseburger.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, sometimes.

• 43:56Joe Rogan?

  Let's eat pizza.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  Sometimes it's that. Sometimes it's also just that like, you know, I get into this rhythm of the way I'm eating and training at home, which is pretty good.

• 44:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  And then you get out there and it's like, fuck, you know, we got on three planes and you're just tired. You just don't do it.

• 44:10Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  And then, yeah, you just order whatever to eat. So you just feel it like slowly come apart. But I feel like I'm also at a place where I know if I, if I dial in my diet and, and make sure I stay on top of like the training, I can shed this ten pretty.

• 44:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you've done it before.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:30Joe Rogan?

  You did it pretty, pretty well, you know? You figured it out. And then you also have muscle memory now. I think, um, it's hard when you're traveling because, you know, you're just, anytime you're traveling, your energy level goes down.

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:44Joe Rogan?

  It's like you gotta figure out things to mitigate that energy level going down. And then, counterintuitively, the best way to do that is to work out.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 44:52Joe Rogan?

  Which doesn't seem like it makes any sense, cause you're tired, I don't wanna work out.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  A lot of times we do the land and lift.

• 44:57Joe Rogan?

  Gotta do that.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  Like, right, land and go.

• 45:00Joe Rogan?

  Yep, land and go, land and go.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  But it is crazy how, I do a lot of three day, three, four day weekends, you know, for tour. Man, a lot of times on that third, fourth day, you're like, you're in your third or fourth city and you're like, fuck, I am wrecked today. Just like another plane, another time zone.

• 45:16Joe Rogan?

  Taking a lot of vitamins?

• 45:18Speaker 01

  Um, I think, I take a pretty good amount of vitamins, yeah, yeah.

• 45:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's important too.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:24Joe Rogan?

  Take a lot of vitamins. And then it's just hard to be strict with your diet when you're on the road, but, um, the big one is alcohol.

• 45:33Speaker 01

  I'm lucky in that regard, cause I'm not a big boozer.

• 45:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know how Bert does it.

• 45:37Speaker 01

  I started eating these David bars.

• 45:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, those are great.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Those are great.

• 45:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think Peter T is involved in that, right?

• 45:42Speaker 01

  I don't know if he, maybe.

• 45:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  But those are.

• 45:44Joe Rogan?

  Delicious.

• 45:45Speaker 01

  They're great.

• 45:46Joe Rogan?

  Boy, they make you fart.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  I love farting. Um, twenty eight, twenty eight grams of protein, a hundred fifty calories.

• 45:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  No sugar.

• 45:53Joe Rogan?

  They're great, yeah.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  Great.

• 45:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a bunch of good options now that you could bring with you on the road if you get hungry. Keep you from eating bullshit.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  From eating bullshit. That's all I'm trying, like, sometimes I go like, oh, it was great. Today was a great day. And then it's just dinner. So you're just like, just don't fucking ruin your day.

• 46:10Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever had a carnivore snacks? Do you know what that is?

• 46:13Speaker 01

  No.

• 46:14Joe Rogan?

  The carnivore snacks ribeye is my go-to. I bring that on the UFC broadcast, like I give them to Daniel Cormier and me. We eat them. It's like sliced ribeyes that are just dried, but it's got the fat on it.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  It's good.

• 46:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't feel guilty at all. Like, if you're hungry, need a snack, open them. It's just meat and salt. Perfect, perfect snack.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  And the company's called Carnivore?

• 46:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Carnivore Snacks. Snacks with an X. But it's not like, um, it's not jerky. It's like, they, they describe it as like meat pastry.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:46Joe Rogan?

  It's good, good snack food.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  I like it.

• 46:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just to keep from going off the rails.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  That's all you're trying to, that's like I'm trying to do is just mitigate the damage of the day.

• 46:55Joe Rogan?

  Right, so I have a whole folder on my phone saved up of food that I really can't eat.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  Really?

• 47:00Joe Rogan?

  Just work, look at restaurants like, oh.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  What do you miss the most when you are trying to eat healthy?

• 47:06Joe Rogan?

  Italian food, Italian food.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  Pasta, right?

• 47:09Joe Rogan?

  Pasta and crazy sandwiches.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, we went to Carbone.

• 47:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, in New York? Yeah, they got one in Vegas now, too.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  I know.

• 47:17Joe Rogan?

  I think they've actually had the Vegas one for a while.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  It's.

• 47:19Joe Rogan?

  So good, dude.

• 47:20Speaker 01

  It's so good.

• 47:21Joe Rogan?

  So good. That rigatoni with vodka sauce.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  When it has a little kick, they put a little spice in it.

• 47:27Joe Rogan?

  It's good. It's so good.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  That's.

• 47:30Joe Rogan?

  It's tough to beat Italian food. It really is. It's tough to beat it just for pure, uh, that pleasure of, uh, just over stuffing yourself.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  We were, we were there for last summer. It was like every day.

• 47:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  You know, and the thing is, I didn't like blow up.

• 47:50Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  No, I thought I would. I mean, I'm sure I gained a few, but I thought I was like, oh, this is gonna be fucking terrible. But it was, I think a big thing there versus here is portion sizes. You know, like, there's no such thing as, they don't go, here's your pasta, here's a fucking bowl, like this.

• 48:06Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. Well, I think in Italy, the real thing is the food's different. I think our food is poison.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  It's so bad, right? I mean, I saw, oh my god, I saw this lady on your show, I saw a clip, talking about all these health epidemics. Like, the full run of stats, where she was like, one in two for cancer and this and that.

• 48:28Joe Rogan?

  Was it Callie Means?

• 48:30Speaker 01

  She was a, I think she was a doctor, right? Is she a doctor?

• 48:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't think she finished her doctorate, or her medical school training, because I think she got to the position where she realized that most metabolic diseases are being caused by food.

• 48:46Speaker 01

  But that's the thing, is like, that's the big takeaway, I think, from that, is like, you had this conversation with, you know, I had with people all the time, who travel abroad, and you're just like, everything in Japan was fucking amazing.

• 48:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  The food. And then you look at their longevity, which is like, record-breaking, and, you know, when you compare it to most of the world.

• 49:06Joe Rogan?

  Definitely compared to ours.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  Definitely compared to ours.

• 49:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we have the worst health stats in the western world. It's our food.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  But, because it's all like?

• 49:14Joe Rogan?

  Because corporations, because corporations profit off keeping you fat and sick. So, the best way to make money from food is to get you addicted to food, that they can sell you. So, they sell you a tremendous amount of cheap shitty food that has a bunch of preservatives and garbage in it. So, it's, you know, potato chips and all sorts of different snacks and all sorts of different things. And then you have your enriched, air quotes, flour, that's got a bunch of shit poured into it, and it's a bunch of complex glutens in the grains. And then you have glyphosate, which other countries have banned, but we use everywhere. And ninety-plus percent of people have glyphosate in their blood, and they test it, which is roundup that chemi-

• 49:59Joe Rogan?

  Pesticide herb, we have herbicides that kill your fucking endocrine system. We have like, we're poisoning ourselves.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  It's really sad. We're, you know, we're growing stuff at home now. We have a hydroponic garden.

• 50:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I talked to Christine about it. It's pretty dope.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  And it's, and that shit's delicious.

• 50:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the way to go.

• 50:14Speaker 01

  The lettuce and the tomatoes and it gets all kinds of like veggies.

• 50:18Joe Rogan?

  Tastes like real food.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, you do taste the difference.

• 50:20Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, which reminds me of when you're abroad, right? Cause like you, in Italy or in Japan, you have a tomato, you have a strawberry and you're like, whoa.

• 50:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:31Speaker 01

  And you're like, oh, this is what it's supposed to taste like.

• 50:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We, we make stuffs that can sit on the shelf forever. That's why our tomatoes look like they're albino tomatoes. They're like, they're like, and they're hard. Our tomatoes are hard. Like, why is a tomato hard? Like, what is that about? Why does it stay hard for like weeks? Just sits there.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  And then we just keep ingesting that.

• 50:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's terrible. And then you get all this inflammation in your body. And, you know, we've sort of genetically modified a bunch of things so we could feed a bunch of people. So we can have large numbers of people and there's a benefit to that.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  How much, how much of, of this like, do you think is related to the fact that we have so many more people than some of these places?

• 51:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, that's a fact, but um, it's not just that. So I think there's a bunch of factors and everybody wants to be real binary about it. Sedentary lifestyle is a big one. There's a large percentage of our population that doesn't move enough. They don't exercise. They don't do anything physical. So you got that and then you got years and years and years and years of doing that, which eventually catches you.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:35Joe Rogan?

  And so that's all the people that start showing up at the hospital. You know, it's metabolic health, right? So, and then you have lack of understanding of nutrition, um, which is they think, oh, you're, you, you some fuckhead doctor that tells you, you just have to eat a balanced diet. You don't need vitamins. Oh, that doctor is fat and stupid and probably has a bunch of diseases and he's on pills himself. Like, shut up. Probably never even went to, through any nutrition training. You know, in, in medical school, they get about six hours of nutrition training, I think.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  It's crazy that, you know, especially because we have kids in school, you realize that schools still, they don't emphasize nutrition or finance. I feel like that's another crazy thing.

• 52:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:15Speaker 01

  Is to keep people from understanding how finance works at all.

• 52:19Joe Rogan?

  It is crazy, right? Like, you're teaching kids about how to prepare yourself for the world and you don't teach them about debt and about interests.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  The first thing that happens when you're a freshman in college is you walk through the student union and they go, you want a credit card? And you're fucking eighteen.

• 52:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  And they're like, you're like, yeah, like, yeah, it's got twenty nine point nine percent APR. It's awesome.

• 52:37Joe Rogan?

  They're preying upon you.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:39Joe Rogan?

  They're literally preying upon you.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  And the school lets it.

• 52:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  The school is like, yeah, go ahead.

• 52:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they're, they don't give a fuck about you.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  That's fucking crazy.

• 52:46Joe Rogan?

  Grist for the mill.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're literally, you're, you're paying fucking, you're ending up paying three hundred dollars for a Coke you bought. You know what I mean? Because you just like scammed, like, this is insane.

• 52:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  And we don't, we don't teach anybody. It's really crazy.

• 53:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, also, you get it in their head that they're fucked because the debt that they're, they're getting involved in with student loans is the only debt we have that you can't get rid of.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:13Joe Rogan?

  The only debt.

• 53:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can't forgive that.

• 53:15Joe Rogan?

  There are people right now who have social security getting docked. Their social security is getting docked for student loans.

• 53:22Speaker 01

  For their student loan.

• 53:23Joe Rogan?

  So they made it to death and they owe money to the government for loans that did them no good at all because they're living off social security. So the government gets to steal more money from your social security. Now, we have to pay you.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  So nuts.

• 53:36Joe Rogan?

  And meanwhile, like, today, the reality is, you can get that education online.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:43Joe Rogan?

  Almost all of the books on any sort of subject are available.

• 53:50Speaker 01

  Mine is useless. My degree's useless.

• 53:51Joe Rogan?

  What's yours in?

• 53:52Speaker 01

  Communications.

• 53:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're a communicator.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 53:55Joe Rogan?

  Worked out. You probably like, they use you to sell more tickets.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  They probably do, but.

• 53:59Joe Rogan?

  This guy. Look, he went to our university. You should come.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  It, it, I mean.

• 54:03Joe Rogan?

  Learn like Tom.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  You, you know, I didn't, like, you don't, I didn't learn anything in that.

• 54:08Joe Rogan?

  But how much did you have to pay to go to school?

• 54:10Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 54:11Joe Rogan?

  How much were you in debt for?

• 54:12Speaker 01

  How much was the tuition? I think tuition, when I was there, was something like six or seven thousand a semester. So like twelve, thirteen a year. Which, you know, whatever. Now, fucking tuitions now are like. Fifty, eighty thousand dollars a year, it's great. Imagine you take on that loan, you start your workforce, you have three hundred thousand dollars in loans.

• 54:35Joe Rogan?

  God forbid you go to graduate school.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 54:38Joe Rogan?

  Compounds, and then you're never getting out of the hole. I mean, I think this is why some doctors and lawyers become sociopaths. Because you are dealing with so much debt and you realize no one gives a fuck about you, so you don't give a fuck about anybody else either.

• 54:50Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 54:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's great for society.

• 54:57Joe Rogan?

  It's also like, you, you, there's two things that can be true, right? I do think that you kind of have to, kids have to like, get to work and get something going and get a path in your life. And when you're going to college, it's like you're out of high school, okay, now you're on your own, you're in college, you gotta keep up your GPA, you gotta get your degree, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. So, there is value in that.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:19Joe Rogan?

  But then also, it's too much money. And you're probably not gonna do anything with that, that degree. And if you don't have the degree, people think you're a loser. And it's very, it's very strange. It's very strange what's going on. Because you're allowing these corporations to prey upon children. Cause like, you're an eighteen year old child.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  You don't understand anything.

• 55:42Joe Rogan?

  You don't understand anything, and then all of a sudden you're in college and you're saddled down with unstoppable debt. And you have this fucking circus of people around you that are also trapped.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  And you didn't understand what that meant, what you were signing up for.

• 55:56Joe Rogan?

  No way!

• 55:57Speaker 01

  It's the same reason like, you have a conversation with somebody who's that age and you're like, oh, you realize that our brains are different, right? Like, you talk to like a-

• 56:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're not developed yet.

• 56:06Speaker 01

  They're not fully developed yet, they don't understand everything.

• 56:08Joe Rogan?

  Especially boys.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  Way, way more clearly.

• 56:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, boys don't get developed until they're like twenty-five. Girls are pretty, they can figure out the game earlier. They're not as saddled down by testosterone.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're, they're-

• 56:20Joe Rogan?

  Their frontal lobe develops earlier.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, ours does really take till about twenty-five.

• 56:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, future retarded. But that's also how you trick them into going to war.

• 56:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:30Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's part of it. Like, hey, we need to get, you know, the Gulf of Tonkin? Terrible thing those Vietnamese did. We're gonna need to send you overseas. Try that shit on a forty year old guy. You're like, what?

• 56:40Speaker 01

  Uh, no fucking way.

• 56:41Joe Rogan?

  What happened? Let me Google. Hey, I Googled Gulf of Tonkin. Turns out, you, you guys fucking faked it. What, what else are you faking to get us to go to war? Oh, my God, you guys fake things to start wars so you can make money? That's cra- how can you, how are you not in jail? How's no one in jail for faking things to start wars?

• 56:59Speaker 01

  Zero accountability.

• 57:00Joe Rogan?

  It's wild. So then you're like, well, fuck it. They got me with the student loan. They got me with this. They got me with that. And you just get accustomed to life fucking you.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:09Joe Rogan?

  You're just like, oh, the society just fucks you over. They just take from you, take from you, and saddle you with debt.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  Tell you this theory, what you're talking about applies to, um, I think extends to our appearances. And what I mean is, today, a lot of times, people talk about how people wear like fucking flip flops and pajamas.

• 57:31Joe Rogan?

  You're talking about Bird again?

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, well.

• 57:34Joe Rogan?

  He's not here to defend himself. I think this is true.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  But like, you get on a plane and you see people in pajamas, right?

• 57:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  And they, in the fifty years ago, they'd be like in a suit. And I think part of the reason why people, their appearance is this, I think some of it is tied to a lack of hope. Meaning that so many years ago, you would embark on your path in life, thinking that there's hope. I can have the American dream. I can own the house. Like, you know, I can get the things I want to get. And so many people today are like, there is no hope. So fuck it. I'll, I'll just, I'll go out in my fucking sleepwear.

• 58:19Joe Rogan?

  There's a little bit of that.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  I think there's a, there's a connection to that.

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• 1:00:38Speaker 05

  It's a lot to that, too, that if the government wants...

• 1:00:44Joe Rogan?

  If they want control and power, which is ultimately what every government wants. It's not a conspiracy theory. Like, every government wants control and power. What's the best way to acquire control and power? Have the people give up?

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  Have them give up, yeah.

• 1:00:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is fucking, I give up. I give up. Fuck it, I'm wearing flip flops. Fuck it, I don't care.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  Because that means I'll do what you say. I'll do what you say when you give up.

• 1:01:04Joe Rogan?

  That's what's really scary to me about AI, automation, and then ultimately, universal basic income. You're gonna get a lot of giving up. And then the government's gonna clamp down on you even more.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:19Joe Rogan?

  And then it's gonna be haves and have-nots on a scale that we've never seen before. When, when you have companies that are in charge of these automated taxi services, and that's the only way people get around, and the government gives you a certain amount of credits, so you don't have to ever worried about traveling. You have credits, as long as you're a good boy, Tom.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:38Joe Rogan?

  As long as you follow the rules, as long as you don't say anything crazy about Israel, as long as you don't do anything nutty, you know, about vaccines, as long as you don't step out of line when it comes to the election.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Then your credits.

• 1:01:49Joe Rogan?

  Don't say anything crazy about this or about that, or, I mean, take your vaccines and... If, that's a real possibility, that they're just gonna extract, extract money out of us. Or attempt to. Attempt to control, like, this is the grand, this is the grand battle of control.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:09Joe Rogan?

  The more they have power over narratives, like, it's also like, there's things that are going on right now. Like, we were just talking about, I was, some friends this weekend, we're talking about, um, these bot farms. Like, there's evidence of bot farms that people have used to, like, go and attack people with, with certain things, like, like, uh, like, a bunch of different countries use bot farms. I'm sure a bunch of different corporations use bot farms, too. But no one's getting in trouble for it. Like, if you can pretend that you're mass groups of people that are, uh, getting upset about something. You could just pretend and there's no, you could pretend.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:52Joe Rogan?

  Just like, you can hire people to go protest and fly them in on jets. Like, that's happening right now. There was this guy in Maine and he made this video where he was hired to drive these people to the airport. And he's trying to figure out, like, where are these, where are all these people going? I'm driving this busload, two busloads full of people at the airport. And they were saying, well, we're going to a protest. And like, what protest? And then he goes and Googles, like, where they're, where they're flying to. It's like, oh, this is a paid protest.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  Paid protest.

• 1:03:22Joe Rogan?

  They're paying people to show up and pretend that it's a protest. So it's like, there's puppet masters that are manipulating world event, and that's legal.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:33Joe Rogan?

  You're allowed to pay people to go protest.

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:35Joe Rogan?

  Which seems like that should be illegal.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:03:38Joe Rogan?

  You shouldn't be able to pretend that you have an organic up.

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 1:03:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, uprising against some.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  Well, it's giving people this illusion.

• 1:03:46Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:47Joe Rogan?

  Which is the entire Kamala Harris campaign.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:49Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that's what it was. It was, the whole thing was astroturf.

• 1:03:52Speaker 01

  Did you see that la, like, it was before he left, the former FBI director, talking about how China just doesn't play ball with any international rules?

• 1:04:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'm sure.

• 1:04:05Speaker 01

  And he's like, how they don't respect IP at all. So he's like, they'll just come in and they'll get a, you know, a spy to give them, let's say, the IP of some, whatever industry, wind energy, they'll just take it and be like, we have it now.

• 1:04:23Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  Start this company. And then, like, this company goes bankrupt because they were, and they just.

• 1:04:28Joe Rogan?

  Fuck you.

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  They're like, fuck you.

• 1:04:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  They don't give a shit.

• 1:04:31Joe Rogan?

  They made whole Apple stores.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:33Joe Rogan?

  That are fake Apple stores.

• 1:04:34Speaker 01

  So insane.

• 1:04:35Joe Rogan?

  Everything's fake, fake laptops, fake phones.

• 1:04:37Speaker 01

  I saw a guy too, because like, the, the evolution, because I always think about the.

• 1:04:41Joe Rogan?

  What happens if you try to get online with one of those?

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  I'd have no idea.

• 1:04:44Joe Rogan?

  Can you get an Apple ID? Like, does it work?

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  It can't, I'm imagining that it can't. But like, you know, I always think about the fact with AI, how we're in, we're in like, version one.

• 1:04:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  And we're all blown away by it already, right?

• 1:04:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:04:59Speaker 01

  And it was a, there was a watch guy online who was like, I have two, like, Daytonas.

• 1:05:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  And he was like, dude. He goes, "This is the best one I've ever seen."

• 1:05:12Joe Rogan?

  Fakes, yeah.

• 1:05:13Speaker 01

  The fake, he had to, he had to take it apart and to look at parts that were inside.

• 1:05:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  Like a spin wheel. He goes, "Oh, this is missing the logo."

• 1:05:21Joe Rogan?

  So which begs the question, like, what is it? Like, what are you buying? Do you want it from this company only? Or do you want a Rolex Daytona? Like, what do you want?

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, I think if, in, in the case of that, you know that the, the movements, the, the actual inner workings of the real one are far superior.

• 1:05:42Joe Rogan?

  Are they, though?

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  I think so, yeah.

• 1:05:44Joe Rogan?

  Why?

• 1:05:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, I assume that. What if the other one has a 72-hour battery or a power supply, too? What if, what if you 3D print every single aspect of the watch?

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  I bet I wouldn't know.

• 1:05:57Joe Rogan?

  It's the same thing.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  Pretty close, I guess, but...

• 1:05:59Joe Rogan?

  But it can be the same thing. Like, we're not talking, like, like, my watch, like, there's a panoramic.

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:05Joe Rogan?

  This could be fake. I mean, I bought it from my friend, so I'm sure it's real.

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:09Joe Rogan?

  But, like, it's not a fake Ferrari.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:06:12Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, if you got a fake Ferrari, like, "Oh, my God, these tires are, have no traction. This suspension sucks."

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  I hate the idea of fake watch, though.

• 1:06:20Joe Rogan?

  Right, but why? Because I used to be poor.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Maybe it's because I used to be poor.

• 1:06:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:25Speaker 01

  I also just don't respect the, the copying of it.

• 1:06:29Joe Rogan?

  Right, it's bullshit.

• 1:06:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, you, you know, I wouldn't buy one because you're contributing to some. But it's kind of funny.

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  It's, it is kind of funny.

• 1:06:38Joe Rogan?

  You can get one for $40. That's like a $7,000 watch.

• 1:06:42Speaker 01

  It's really crazy. It's insane.

• 1:06:44Joe Rogan?

  And it's insane that it's tricking, it's tricking these watch experts, right? Yeah.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  But I don't really understand the, uh...

• 1:06:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look at these. So, one of those is fake?

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, the right.

• 1:06:55Joe Rogan?

  The one on the right is fake?

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'd buy that. Looks perfect. I'll take it. How much?

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  He's pointing out, like...

• 1:07:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, can you see the difference? Like, who, imagine...

• 1:07:04Speaker 01

  Who knows this on the spot?

• 1:07:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, also...

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  You wouldn't know this on the spot, right?

• 1:07:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, also, my vision sucks.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  Mine does, too.

• 1:07:11Joe Rogan?

  So I'd have to like take it out and do this like, I don't know. Like this one, I can't even, I, I, I guess I can read the time.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Look at these.

• 1:07:19Joe Rogan?

  Read the date rather.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  But I mean, they're.

• 1:07:21Joe Rogan?

  The tiny ass.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:22Joe Rogan?

  Windows, that's a, that's a struggle. Like if it's dark in the room, I'm not reading that.

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  My vision absolutely sucks.

• 1:07:27Joe Rogan?

  That's incredible, though.

• 1:07:28Speaker 01

  The replicas are crazy.

• 1:07:29Joe Rogan?

  They're so good.

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  They're so.

• 1:07:31Joe Rogan?

  But again, like try making a replica nine eleven Turbo S. Good luck, fuckface.

• 1:07:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:07:37Joe Rogan?

  Good luck, fuckface. But you can make one of those.

• 1:07:40Speaker 01

  But wait, how do, cause this, I, okay, I understand at least what you're doing.

• 1:07:44Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  In the watch thing, right? Then the person buys the far less expensive one and they get the feeling, I guess, that, that people go, oh, you have the real one.

• 1:07:53Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  But if you're getting an Apple product, a fake Apple product.

• 1:07:56Joe Rogan?

  You don't know you're getting a fake Apple product.

• 1:07:58Speaker 01

  So they're going, the whole thing's a scam?

• 1:08:00Joe Rogan?

  The whole store's fake.

• 1:08:01Speaker 01

  And everyone there's in on it.

• 1:08:02Joe Rogan?

  It's an Apple store.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  Do you think people that are hired think they're in?

• 1:08:06Joe Rogan?

  Logo. That's an Apple fake factory raided in China.

• 1:08:09Speaker 04

  This is a ten years ago, though. It did, it goes on to say that it tricked the employees. They thought they were working at a real Apple store.

• 1:08:16Joe Rogan?

  That's the craziest part. Yeah, it's like it's layers of severance. It just goes deeper and deeper and deeper. Yeah.

• 1:08:22Speaker 01

  That's really crazy.

• 1:08:23Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever, um, follow the YouTube channel Stance Elements?

• 1:08:27Speaker 01

  Uh uh.

• 1:08:27Joe Rogan?

  It's, um, it's, it's a guy that just works on cars. Dope shit. And one of the things he's doing, he's building his own Ferrari F forty.

• 1:08:36Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 1:08:37Joe Rogan?

  So instead of buying one for like three million dollars, which is, okay, I'm gonna say something that's gonna piss off these Ferrari people.

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:45Joe Rogan?

  Uh, it ain't worth it. Okay, it's not worth three million dollars. It's not that good. It's not, if, if, it was new today, you'd be like, this should be taken off the market.

• 1:08:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:08:54Joe Rogan?

  Like this thing has zero fucking traction control, but because it's a classic, it's worth like a ton of money. So what he's doing is making it better. Stance Works. Did I say Stance Elements?

• 1:09:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's the.

• 1:09:05Joe Rogan?

  That's the, oh, that's the, the B-boys. That's the, uh, break dancers, which by the way, Stance Elements, how, how did I fuck that up? Stance Elements, by the way, is also amazing. We could talk about that. But this guy, uh, Stance Works, he, this is his own, that's not a Ferrari.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  He's building it from scratch.

• 1:09:21Joe Rogan?

  All the parts online. So he bought all the body panels online and then he made his own frame. And then he bought a Ferrari engine from like a different model of Ferrari and he's putting that in it. But this is like a multi-month journey that this dude has been on, that I've been watching all the videos. Whenever he has a new video, I watch it. He does a lot of dope shit, but this is a guy that like really loves cars and he's super smart. And when he's talking about cars, it's fascinating, cause like, he's also a fan of the original M5, which I've thought about getting one of those.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:57Joe Rogan?

  Not very fast, but apparently like super engaging driving experience. The original M5, which I think was like,

• 1:10:07Joe Rogan?

  I wanna say it was like 280 horsepower.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  In what year?

• 1:10:11Joe Rogan?

  Eighty something.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  Eighty something?

• 1:10:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, which by the way, back, I think it's 88 maybe? Back then, that was a lot.

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  I have an 89 M3 that I bought.

• 1:10:22Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  E30 M3.

• 1:10:24Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, yeah.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  And I have a S54 engine going into it.

• 1:10:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  So that should be.

• 1:10:30Joe Rogan?

  How much is horsepower is in that?

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  I don't know. It's more than it came with.

• 1:10:34Joe Rogan?

  I have an E46 M3.

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  Those are fun.

• 1:10:36Joe Rogan?

  I love it.

• 1:10:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:38Joe Rogan?

  It's so balanced.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:39Joe Rogan?

  It's like such an engaging driving experience.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  That's what I'm into. I'm into that. I'm not into chasing the, the lower, uh, 0 to 60 time.

• 1:10:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's nonsense. Like if you ever use that on a public road, you're an asshole. But engaging cars, you could drive the speed limit and enjoy the shit out of them.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:10:58Joe Rogan?

  Just fun, just going around a corner and just accelerating to 60. They're fun.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  That's fun.

• 1:11:03Joe Rogan?

  You feel more, like, like an old air-cooled Porsche. Like you feel it, you feel it and you're like,

• 1:11:09Speaker 01

  Did you get that one that you were, you had one being built?

• 1:11:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not done yet. It's real close, real close. Yeah. That's the RSR project.

• 1:11:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fresh.

• 1:11:20Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, very excited about that. It's like 350 horsepower, 2,000 pounds.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  Meanwhile, I have some crazy fucking car coming to me too.

• 1:11:29Joe Rogan?

  What do you got?

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  This, uh, Aseto Furino 296 GTB Ferrari. It's like 700, 800 horsepower.

• 1:11:35Joe Rogan?

  Christ.

• 1:11:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:36Joe Rogan?

  I, uh, watched, I've, I've seen your Blazer, but I watched a video on it.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:41Joe Rogan?

  Of those guys, the Velocity Motorsports guys.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  Awesome, yeah. They're doing cool shit. Velocity did, um.

• 1:11:47Joe Rogan?

  They really went out with that one.

• 1:11:48Speaker 01

  They, that one's great. Um, they do scouts and Broncos, but they also just started doing Mustangs.

• 1:11:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:11:55Speaker 01

  And the must, I took the, one of the Mustangs out.

• 1:11:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:11:58Speaker 01

  Very fun.

• 1:11:58Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  I think sixty-seven Mustangs. So you get that beautiful style.

• 1:12:04Joe Rogan?

  Did you send me that?

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:12:07Joe Rogan?

  Did you send it to me? The green one?

• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  No, that was a different, that's a different one.

• 1:12:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I was just, every time I see something cool, I check this shit out. Uh, I sent you the other one. What did I send you? I sent you that, um, that, that Giulia, that Italian one that the guy came to my place.

• 1:12:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  That was fun as shit.

• 1:12:26Joe Rogan?

  The Alfa Romeo.

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:12:28Joe Rogan?

  I've seen that online, getting reviewed. It's a resto mod Alfa Romeo. I don't trust my people.

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  No?

• 1:12:38Joe Rogan?

  No. I have, uh, one of my people's vehicles, but generally I don't trust my people.

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, I'm blanking on it.

• 1:12:46Joe Rogan?

  I just think they're, they're eating pasta and staring at it ass and they're not gonna do a good job. I want it, my car's made by either Germans who do meth or...

• 1:12:56Speaker 01

  Totem, that's what it was. Yes.

• 1:12:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, I tried, I tried one of these. This guy came...

• 1:13:00Joe Rogan?

  Baby, look at that.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  It's fucking rad. Totem automobili. I did like it a lot. Um, I didn't order one. I didn't order it.

• 1:13:08Joe Rogan?

  You didn't? Oh, come on. What happened?

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  Well, he's making a prototype for a whole new model.

• 1:13:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  So I was like, I don't know.

• 1:13:14Joe Rogan?

  Why? Well, that's so sick. That looks like a James Bond car. Look at that thing. God damn.

• 1:13:20Speaker 01

  And it's, it's a hundred percent custom, you know?

• 1:13:22Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, I bet that thing flies.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  It, dude, I was driving down Fairfax in LA in the rain and he turned off the traction control.

• 1:13:31Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:32Joe Rogan?

  Turned off?

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  He turned it off.

• 1:13:33Joe Rogan?

  Why'd he turn it off?

• 1:13:34Speaker 01

  He was like, let it, let it run, explode, emotion.

• 1:13:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  And guess what? The emotion almost ended up wrapped around a fucking light pole.

• 1:13:41Joe Rogan?

  Did you spin?

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  Dude, I was like, I corrected it, but I was like, panicked and I was like, fucking driving this guy's...

• 1:13:47Joe Rogan?

  That's the fear of losing it in a Porsche, that rear engine whip. You know, that, uh, that understeer that happens?

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:54Joe Rogan?

  Or oversteer? What is it called? Supply throttle, something throttle? Oversteer.

• 1:13:59Speaker 01

  When you lift.

• 1:14:00Joe Rogan?

  When you lift. Lift throttle, oversteer.

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, and then, and then the, the backend goes on you.

• 1:14:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:14:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  This thing also happens in everybody's mind who hasn't, who is not, it's, it's literally something you have to be trained. Which is that when something, when you're in a car, and you're at a certain rate of speed, and you're approaching a turn or something, you feel anything going on you. You take your foot off the throttle. And what you don't realize is that that is gonna, it's gonna make things worse.

• 1:16:07Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  Because the momentum and the weight are gonna be carried through. And actually, the only thing that'll keep you from usually losing it is to stay on throttle. Not necessarily give it a ton.

• 1:16:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  But you need that momentum to carry you through it.

• 1:16:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  And so it's just something that you, there's countless videos of somebody.

• 1:16:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  In their new fucking car, just going vrrrr, and they just go into a tree.

• 1:16:28Joe Rogan?

  I just watched one on a new GT3 RS.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  I've seen that one.

• 1:16:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's so horrible.

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  He's like 18.

• 1:16:33Joe Rogan?

  Horrible.

• 1:16:34Speaker 01

  And he did exactly that.

• 1:16:35Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  He hits the turn, off throttle, tries to correct. Bye.

• 1:16:39Joe Rogan?

  Bye bye.

• 1:16:40Speaker 01

  Fucking painful to watch.

• 1:16:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:42Speaker 01

  Painful.

• 1:16:42Joe Rogan?

  But that is a bad element of that design.

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  The rear weight.

• 1:16:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:47Joe Rogan?

  But, and also, it's like, is that really the best way to do it? Because, you know, everybody always said that the Cayman is the better car. If they just gave it the same sort of love that they give the Porsche.

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  I fucking love that car.

• 1:16:58Joe Rogan?

  The Cayman?

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 1:16:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  It's like my, my heart is with that car. If you go like, what's the one you're in love with the most? It's still that car.

• 1:17:06Joe Rogan?

  But isn't it interesting that like, that car is not as prestigious?

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  It's not as prestigious, yeah.

• 1:17:11Joe Rogan?

  Why is that? That seems stupid.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  It's a whole thing too. And if you have, like, you'll see people like, ah, you got the Cayman, you should've gotten the 911. I'm like, you should drive this fucking thing.

• 1:17:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But people that say that are all retarded.

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  They kind of are.

• 1:17:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:23Joe Rogan?

  Anybody that says that is an idiot.

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 1:17:25Joe Rogan?

  Like, you don't know anything about cars.

• 1:17:26Speaker 01

  Mid-engine.

• 1:17:27Joe Rogan?

  Because you have a Dynon, right? Is that, no, it's not Dynon. Was it the company? Dynon did my BMW.

• 1:17:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:32Joe Rogan?

  What is the, what's your company?

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  Um, for that one.

• 1:17:35Joe Rogan?

  Deman.

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, Rick Deman did the, uh, the upgrade on that.

• 1:17:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so what that is, is what it should be.

• 1:17:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:17:42Joe Rogan?

  From Porsche.

• 1:17:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:43Joe Rogan?

  They should take that big juicy GT3 RS engine, or even crazier, take that GT2 RS.

• 1:17:49Speaker 01

  Throw it in that mid.

• 1:17:50Joe Rogan?

  Throw it in that bitch.

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  It just upsets 911 owners, that's it. It just fucks up their.

• 1:17:54Joe Rogan?

  A bunch of little fairies.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:56Joe Rogan?

  If that upsets you.

• 1:17:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57Joe Rogan?

  Then you need to go find something else. You need to go do mushrooms on the mountaintop somewhere.

• 1:18:02Speaker 01

  By the way, did you like that? Did you feel it at all?

• 1:18:03Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what you're talking about.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  Did you ever drive the GT4RS they came out with like a year or two ago?

• 1:18:10Joe Rogan?

  No, I didn't.

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  I heard it. I didn't drive it.

• 1:18:12Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure it's dope, but it's also an automatic.

• 1:18:14Speaker 01

  It's all automatic, yes.

• 1:18:15Joe Rogan?

  Come on, you pussies. Like, what are we doing? Why are you buying a street car? Are you a crazy track guy?

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  Cause that's a track car.

• 1:18:23Joe Rogan?

  Okay, which is fine.

• 1:18:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:25Joe Rogan?

  Which is fine.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, take it.

• 1:18:26Joe Rogan?

  But for the average person that like enjoy, you like make an enthusiast car that's a goddamn three pedal.

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:35Joe Rogan?

  Make a manual.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  Well, thank God they still do.

• 1:18:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  They make some.

• 1:18:39Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  I mean, a lot of places just don't.

• 1:18:41Joe Rogan?

  It's them and BMW. Ford still makes them. They still do it with their Mustangs.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  I can't believe that Ferrari doesn't realize

• 1:18:48Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:18:48Speaker 01

  that if they did just a limited run.

• 1:18:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God. It would sell like crazy.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  It would sell so crazy.

• 1:18:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they gave up. They gave up. Lamborghini gave up.

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  I wish they would.

• 1:18:57Joe Rogan?

  Thank God Porsche didn't.

• 1:18:58Speaker 01

  No, I know.

• 1:18:59Joe Rogan?

  But they did with some cars. Like, a lot of their cars, you can't like, you can't get the GTS now in a five-speed.

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  You can't.

• 1:19:06Joe Rogan?

  Or, excuse me, a six-speed or a seven-speed, whatever the fuck they have now. You can't get, I don't think you can get the S. You can't get the turbo.

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  Oh, you can't get the turbo, yeah.

• 1:19:14Joe Rogan?

  You have to get the T or the, um, regular, maybe you can get the regular 911?

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  I think you can get a regular 911 Carrera.

• 1:19:21Joe Rogan?

  GT3 you can get still, but you can't get the GT3RS. Like, come on, guys. Shut up. Just shut up.

• 1:19:28Speaker 01

  I think they're, the audience should inform them, right? They should know that like their, their fanbase

• 1:19:35Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:19:35Speaker 01

  wants all that shit in manual.

• 1:19:37Joe Rogan?

  It's like what pisses me off about Corvette, too. Like, you guys have the most dope shape now. The C8 Corvette is so sick. And then you're putting out these insane ones like the Z06

• 1:19:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:49Joe Rogan?

  and the ZR1, but it's still

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  People want to.

• 1:19:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:55Speaker 01

  I don't know. It's gotta be like, all that has to be like, cost analysis, right?

• 1:20:00Joe Rogan?

  It's a little bit of that and what is that, Rogue?

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:03Joe Rogan?

  I kinda quit those, but I fucking love these. I thought I was gonna have a hard time. I quit them over the weekend.

• 1:20:09Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:20:10Joe Rogan?

  Did nothing. I was like, this is easy. I think I'm lucky.

• 1:20:14Speaker 01

  With your...

• 1:20:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I don't think I get physically addicted to stuff that way. Except coffee.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:21Joe Rogan?

  I've done that one, where I took the whole day off coffee and I was like, why am I fucking yawning?

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:27Joe Rogan?

  Ah, fuck!

• 1:20:29Speaker 01

  Coffee gets me to headaches.

• 1:20:31Joe Rogan?

  But I like coffee so much, and coffee's everywhere. I'm like, I don't think I need to quit that one.

• 1:20:35Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:20:36Joe Rogan?

  I didn't get headaches last time I tried to cook coffee. I quit for a couple of days and I was like, this is just rough.

• 1:20:43Joe Rogan?

  But the nicotine pouches were nothing.

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 1:20:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was super easy.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  I feel like I have some of that where I'm not that physically addicted to it.

• 1:20:53Joe Rogan?

  But dude, I have friends that have like, anything gets them. Like, I had a guy who came over here to do a podcast and he saw that someone had sent us some kratom stuff that I wound up throwing out. I was like, I don't want like this shit anyway.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:05Joe Rogan?

  And he's like, don't take that. I can't get off of it. Get that kratom away from me. I got a real problem with it. I'm like, really?

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  I know someone eighteen years on it.

• 1:21:14Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:21:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:16Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:17Joe Rogan?

  Eighteen years on a shitty opium?

• 1:21:20Speaker 01

  Well, cause they were using it to get off of opiates.

• 1:21:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, god!

• 1:21:25Speaker 01

  And they can't, they can't go without it.

• 1:21:26Joe Rogan?

  Wow! But the high is so like, whatever.

• 1:21:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not. I, I tried it and then people were telling me, be careful, be careful.

• 1:21:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Duncan loved it. We had some at the club.

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:39Joe Rogan?

  And Duncan's like, hey man, you got any more of that?

• 1:21:43Joe Rogan?

  Got any more of that liquid heroin, man? I was like, keep it away from Duncan.

• 1:21:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's so funny, dude.

• 1:21:50Joe Rogan?

  He's the best. He's the best, but we like had a whole box of it there that Ron White had left there and it was gone by Tuesday. I got in there on Tuesday.

• 1:21:58Speaker 01

  Oh, everyone went through it.

• 1:21:59Joe Rogan?

  Where did it all go? No, it was all Duncan.

• 1:22:01Speaker 01

  It was all.

• 1:22:01Joe Rogan?

  We drank all of them. I was drinking two and three a day, man. I go, you're not even supposed to drink one a day. It's like a half a dose.

• 1:22:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:08Joe Rogan?

  Which is really weird. Like, why did they make one of them?

• 1:22:11Speaker 01

  Be two doses?

• 1:22:12Joe Rogan?

  Two doses.

• 1:22:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:22:14Joe Rogan?

  It's a tiny little shot.

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  That's a good way to get you onto it.

• 1:22:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like when you buy a bag of chips and it says like, how many calories in it, per serving?

• 1:22:21Speaker 01

  Six chips.

• 1:22:22Joe Rogan?

  Like, what do you, why is this, this little baggie is not even a single serving? You know I'm gonna eat more than that one bag.

• 1:22:27Speaker 01

  Of course they know.

• 1:22:28Joe Rogan?

  Piece of shit.

• 1:22:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:32Speaker 01

  Garbage tactic to get people into it.

• 1:22:34Joe Rogan?

  It's horrible.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  It's so predatory.

• 1:22:35Joe Rogan?

  It's just lies. You're lying about the amount of calories.

• 1:22:40Speaker 01

  That's so funny, dude.

• 1:22:41Joe Rogan?

  But I don't, I think I'm very lucky. Cause I know people that get addicted to weed.

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:47Joe Rogan?

  I, I have gone a long time without weed and never had any problem.

• 1:22:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, people get physically addicted. Like, I didn't really realize that was a thing, but.

• 1:22:57Joe Rogan?

  I think it's just different genetics.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  It totally is.

• 1:23:01Joe Rogan?

  Like, look at Bert. A normal person who drinks as much as him would be dead.

• 1:23:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:05Joe Rogan?

  You'd have like real liver problems and, and he's, he doesn't have any problem.

• 1:23:09Speaker 01

  He's in the gym in the morning. It's crazy.

• 1:23:11Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts. So it's like, you just gotta deal with the cards you dealt. Like, why don't I have four aces? Well, you don't.

• 1:23:18Speaker 01

  You don't.

• 1:23:18Joe Rogan?

  So what are you gonna do?

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:20Joe Rogan?

  You gonna just sit here and fucking complain about everything or what?

• 1:23:23Speaker 01

  You gotta figure it out. Yeah.

• 1:23:25Joe Rogan?

  Figure it out, bitch.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, figure it out.

• 1:23:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:28Joe Rogan?

  You need, you know, everybody needs love, everybody needs support, but everybody also needs, figure it out, bitch.

• 1:23:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's not enough of that.

• 1:23:36Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:23:36Speaker 01

  There's really not enough of that.

• 1:23:37Joe Rogan?

  There's not.

• 1:23:38Speaker 01

  Because you really, there's, it's like, there's, you don't gain anything by doing the like, how come I don't get?

• 1:23:45Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:23:46Speaker 01

  This. It's like, how come I'm not 6'6"? I don't know. I'm not. Right? You just.

• 1:23:50Joe Rogan?

  Deal with it.

• 1:23:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta just deal with it.

• 1:23:51Joe Rogan?

  I think that's a real problem where people, you know. If you think about like the, the, you remember that documentary, The Secret? That stupid documentary?

• 1:24:01Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:02Joe Rogan?

  Like, all you have to do is like, think about things and you can make them happen.

• 1:24:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:05Joe Rogan?

  Not really. That's bullshit. But it's a part of it. It's a part of making things happen. Like, you can't just say, "I'm gonna fucking breathe underwater." "I'm just gonna think about it."

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:19Joe Rogan?

  No, you can't do that.

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  Give it a shot.

• 1:24:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's physical limitations to the human frame. There's physical limitations for your particular human frame.

• 1:24:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:26Joe Rogan?

  You know, you can't get taller. You can't, you can lose weight, but you can't, you can't really do much other than that.

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:33Joe Rogan?

  You can kind of get in good shape for what you got, but what you got is what you got.

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  What you got, yeah.

• 1:24:38Joe Rogan?

  Um, but there's a bunch of people that just think about their problems all the time.

• 1:24:43Speaker 01

  That's a, it's an obsession. And what it does is it carries you through time without having to deal with the problem. Cause you just talk about the problem.

• 1:24:52Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:24:52Speaker 01

  That's a big one. I know so many people who do that.

• 1:24:55Joe Rogan?

  Focus is your problems rather than your solutions. Do you know how many people who live in Guatemala in a fucking dirt-floored shack would love your problems?

• 1:25:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:25:06Joe Rogan?

  Your problems are not that big a problem if you're living in America and you have your health.

• 1:25:10Speaker 01

  You need, you have that, you need that perspective change from people.

• 1:25:13Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a big thing of like, if, if your problems become your identity.

• 1:25:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  Cause I know people like that, right? That you're like.

• 1:25:22Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever seen that video? The, um, the final boss of Woke? It's like this one trans man who's like, "I'm a disabled trans man. I'm also on food stamps. I also have like..."

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  It's a real person?

• 1:25:42Joe Rogan?

  It's, and it's, "Donald Trump is trying to erase me." And it's like, this is the identity. Like, there's this, this is existential battle. But this final boss has everything wrong with him.

• 1:25:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:56Joe Rogan?

  It is, you're not him. You're a girl pretending to be a man. So it's like, you've got everything wrong. And it just keeps going on and on. Have you seen this, Jamie? Do you know what it is?

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  Sounds like somebody should try to get on stage.

• 1:26:09Joe Rogan?

  No, big fat stupid face, it's not gonna work. The whole thing is just like, it's just, it's so crazy that people will just like, there's a value and a currency to being a victim.

• 1:26:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:26:21Joe Rogan?

  And so they'll, they'll add stuff.

• 1:26:23Speaker 01

  Social media has also helped that a lot.

• 1:26:26Joe Rogan?

  Because there's plenty of people that don't wanna deal with their shit. That'll go, yes, girl, you go, yeah.

• 1:26:32Speaker 01

  Incredible.

• 1:26:33Joe Rogan?

  Society's doing this to you.

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:36Joe Rogan?

  Did you hear about that lady that got fired from Equinox in Manhattan? She was late forty-seven times in ten months and she sued because of race. She said she got fired for racism and she won.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  She won?

• 1:26:49Joe Rogan?

  It's a jury and she won eleven million dollars.

• 1:26:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:26:52Joe Rogan?

  Yes, she did.

• 1:26:53Speaker 01

  No, and she was late forty-seven times?

• 1:26:55Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, like, you're working at Equinox. Like, you could work for all of time and you'll never make eleven million dollars. Like, you're not gonna make eleven million dollars working at Equinox. But yet you won and she only worked there for ten months. She was late forty-seven times in ten months.

• 1:27:13Speaker 01

  And that's why they were firing her? Like, they're like, you're just perpetually late.

• 1:27:17Joe Rogan?

  You are always late.

• 1:27:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:18Joe Rogan?

  And then she's like, that's so racist.

• 1:27:20Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:27:21Joe Rogan?

  She won and she took him to court and won.

• 1:27:24Speaker 01

  They're definitely gonna appeal that shit.

• 1:27:25Joe Rogan?

  Of course they're gonna appeal, but, but the thing is, when you have a jury.

• 1:27:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:29Joe Rogan?

  You have a jury of people so fucking stupid, they don't get out of jury duty.

• 1:27:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:27:37Joe Rogan?

  And they might be like, yeah, fuck Equinox, man. That fucking fuck the man, man.

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  Because that guy's just too lazy to go to the gym.

• 1:27:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  So he's like, fuck Equinox.

• 1:27:48Joe Rogan?

  Not just that, it's a corporation. You don't think of it as an individual. That's just a company that's gonna fuck you over. That's why people don't feel bad stealing from work.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:57Joe Rogan?

  You don't feel like you're stealing, like if someone was working in your house and they were stealing from you, like they stole your forks, like where's my fucking fork?

• 1:28:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:04Joe Rogan?

  Like, this is bullshit.

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  I like it.

• 1:28:06Joe Rogan?

  And you find out a guy who worked for you stole your fork, you're like, you're fucking fired. But it's an office, it's like someone like takes a fork home, like if you have a kitchen in your office, we use a bunch of forks for the staff.

• 1:28:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:18Joe Rogan?

  And someone takes that fork, it's no big deal.

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  It's the office's fork.

• 1:28:20Joe Rogan?

  We just need to order more forks, man, these fucking forks keep disappearing. And you go over to Tom's house one day and like Tom's got four of the office forks, like, did you steal the office forks? I forgot, I just keep forgetting to bring them back.

• 1:28:32Speaker 01

  Cause they don't belong to somebody.

• 1:28:33Joe Rogan?

  Right, exactly, it's not a human, it's a corporation, which is also why corporations can act like fucking psychopaths.

• 1:28:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:40Joe Rogan?

  Because they're also not a human, so they could just do whatever the fuck they have to do, which is why our food supply's so bad. Cause they're just trying to maximize profit, they literally have a duty to maximize profit.

• 1:28:50Speaker 01

  My mom definitely thinks of corporations as they can deal with it.

• 1:28:56Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 1:28:56Speaker 01

  And I remember my dad used to tell this story that when, when they first got married, they were at a Holiday Inn and they were leaving. And then he was like, what is that in the suitcase? And it was their towels? And she was like, the towels? And he's like, you can't take that. She was like, why? Cause it belongs to the Holiday Inn. It's theirs. And she was like, they have them, like a hundred of them. And he's like, yeah, it's not ours though, we can't.

• 1:29:19Joe Rogan?

  This is good.

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  And she was like, it's fine.

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  And like everywhere I've gone with her, she's like, you know, she'd be like, can I take this? I'm like, no, that's like.

• 1:29:29Joe Rogan?

  Funny.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  We've been, we've been places where I've been like, hey, sorry, my mom wondering if we could take this glass.

• 1:29:38Joe Rogan?

  She makes you ask?

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then.

• 1:29:41Joe Rogan?

  I saw a video, you were showing your mom these clips?

• 1:29:44Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:29:44Joe Rogan?

  The clips from your new Netflix show?

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  Fucking amazing, it was amazing. I knew it was, I knew it was gonna be a killer. I was like, she's gonna hate it. And they were like, okay. So we set up a private screening for her.

• 1:29:56Joe Rogan?

  It's also like, why am I watching this? I don't know if you know, but you're my mom.

• 1:30:00Joe Rogan?

  It's just so funny.

• 1:30:01Speaker 01

  She's like, dude, she fucking, she hated the show so much.

• 1:30:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, sure.

• 1:30:06Speaker 01

  She told, she came over yesterday for Mother's Day. And I was like, she goes, so, because the rest of that thing, she made me promise that we're gonna cut the first, the first story.

• 1:30:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:18Speaker 01

  She's like, you're definitely not gonna use that, right? So eventually I was like, yeah, we're cutting it. And so yesterday, she was like, did you cut it? I go, of course not. It's fucking, it's Netflix's. And she was like, you prom, so you lied to me. And I'm like, Mom, I can't be like, hey, don't air the first one. And she's like, well, that means you lied to me. So I'm never coming to a show again. And I'm never gonna do anything like related to any of your stuff. And I go, promise? I would love if you never came to a show again. Do you know how much of a fucking burden it is to have to babysit when you're there?

• 1:30:51Joe Rogan?

  I was talking to Shane Gillis about a bit he does where people getting upset, people he knows getting upset about a bit.

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:57Joe Rogan?

  And he's like, yeah, I'll stop doing that. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up.

• 1:31:02Speaker 01

  She found out, by the way, I was on Chrissy D and Yanis's podcast the day the Pope died, or the day after. I was in New York and we're podcasting and I was like, oh. Because my mom's like hardcore Catholic. And I was like, let's call her and just check on her. And I go, we'll just try to see if maybe the Jews did it.

• 1:31:25Speaker 01

  So I call her, I'm like, did you hear about the Pope? And she's like, I am devastated, Tommy. I go, I don't know what happened, if he was sick, if it was the Jews. And she's like, what? And like, we had to cover our mouths. We had to cover our mouths and mute the phone. She's like, she goes, this is the craziest call I've ever received. The Pope died, do you think the Jews did it? I'm like, I had to hang up the phone. And then like, a week later, she goes, "I was on YouTube, and I find that you called me on a show to talk about this."

• 1:32:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, she's funny.

• 1:32:04Speaker 01

  She found it.

• 1:32:05Speaker 07

  Found herself on YouTube.

• 1:32:06Speaker 01

  She found the clip, yeah. She found the endless well of us fucking with her on YouTube. Oh my god, that's so funny. Speaking of the Jews, have you seen fucking Kanye's new song?

• 1:32:16Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  Bro.

• 1:32:17Joe Rogan?

  What is...

• 1:32:17Speaker 01

  What? Here's the thing. What?

• 1:32:20Joe Rogan?

  First of all, kinda catchy.

• 1:32:22Speaker 01

  Well, that's the problem with it. That's the problem. It's like, the guy from production, like, he's never lost a step. He can make a beat, he can, like, he's so talented. He's a genius. He's a talented producer, man. I do think it's like, when, first of all, I think people are kinda done asking him questions, because most of the shit he puts out is like, self-release kind of commentary or thoughts. As he's saying, just fucking cra- you know. This is the craziest thing I've ever seen. But there is a thing where that song is like, "What are you doing, dude? Like, what are you doing, for real?" It's the ultimate pushing back. Yeah, I guess, but there is like, like, I think I have a pretty, you know, let things go kind of vibe to me. Obviously. Yeah.

• 1:33:07Speaker 01

  Your fucking show. Yeah. Your show's ridiculous. It's a ridiculous show, and I've always been like, "Yeah, say whatever you're gonna say." But I do think, like, making a catchy song about that, I'm like, "What are you doing, man?" Like, you're just getting, at a minimum, you're just gonna get more people that think it's cool to say, "Hail Hitler." Like, that's at the minimum. Well, I think that's part of the prog- program. Yeah. I think it's part of what he's trying to do. But, I mean, is that cool to do? I guess, if you're like, "Well, it's fun to troll the masses and get them to do that, okay." But, what I'm saying is that, like, at a minimum, you're gonna get less educated people to go like, "This is a fun thing to say." And you're like, "I mean, is that good? You really want people just walking around being like, 'You know, it's tight, man, hail Hitler.'"

• 1:33:52Speaker 01

  Like, that's fucking insane. It's crazy. It is crazy.

• 1:33:56Joe Rogan?

  But it's also kind of a sign of the times. I guess. This is a chaotic world we're living in. Yeah. And it's like, okay, this is this kind of highlights the the benefits. I mean, I want to say this like carefully because I don't want to think any I don't I want to say real clearly. I do not support people saying that. I don't think it's a good thing to say. No. I don't say it. I certainly don't think I don't think any racism is good. I don't think antisemitism is good. I don't think anti Christianity is good. I don't think Asian hate is good. I don't think anything is good. But there's a benefit to just letting people talk.

• 1:34:39Joe Rogan?

  Like, let people say whatever the fuck they want to say, even if it sucks. This is the benefit of Twitter. But this is also the bad part. It's like the fucking song is so many millions of hits. Yeah. On Twitter. It's been banned from every platform. Yeah. But is it good to ban things from platforms? Or is it better to let it be out there? I see what you're saying, yeah. And let people talk about it because if you ban it, then people want to hear it more. That's true. And then it becomes more popular and then it kind of supports what he says, which is that there's this concerted effort. If you talk about Jewish people, that they're going to remove you from everything, remove you from banking ruin. Which is what he's saying, they run everything. So if they didn't, like if it was just you were talking shit about Puerto Ricans, look what happened to Tony, nothing. Yeah. He's doing great.

• 1:35:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, if there's certain people that you're allowed to pick on and and make jokes about or or mock or or say something. And you you can get away with it. Yeah, well, I think he's made his point. I think we all get it now. It's never gonna end. But how does it end? This is the question. When I was watching that song, first of all, I was by myself. When I first saw the song, I was like, what is this? Yeah. Like, no way. Yeah, yeah, no. It's like, no way, no way. And I'm watching on my phone like, yo. And then my first thought was, how does this end? Because this ends. This is gonna end. There's gonna come a time where they're gonna realize like, this is a problem. Yeah. So how does it end? Does it end in assassination? Does it end in?

• 1:36:10Joe Rogan?

  There's definitely people that want to kill him. Financial ruin. Yeah. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Look, it's good to prepare for the future, but when you start over analyzing what's happening around you, dreaming up every hypothetical situation of what could happen, that's when it gets dangerous. You can start to hyperfixate and stress out and all over things that haven't even happened. That's no good for current you or future you. If you're struggling to stay in the present and out of your head, try talking with a quality therapist from BetterHelp. They have psychologists, family therapists, marriage counselors, social workers, and more. Whatever you need to work through,

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• 1:38:20Speaker 01

  What his financial situation is. I know that like... There's been all these, over the last five years, there's been times where like his, you know, net worth has been reported at like such a crazy amount. And then I remember like funds were frozen. And he was like, I don't have anything. And then it was like all back. I don't know what his financial situation is.

• 1:38:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, they can't steal your money, but they can de-bank you.

• 1:38:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, where no one will bank with you.

• 1:38:43Joe Rogan?

  Right. So it's like, what, how does that work? Like, where do you get your ATM card?

• 1:38:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:48Joe Rogan?

  Is it from the Bank of fucking Portugal? Like, what do you have to do? Like, how does that work?

• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  You know what I thought about when I was, when I was watching that video? I was like, how did, like, how do you get? I don't know, however many actors.

• 1:38:59Joe Rogan?

  That's easy. That's the easy part.

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  I think it's crazy. I think a lot of people would be like, what?

• 1:39:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's the easy part. You put out a casting call in L.A. Everyone's soulless. They have no fucking soul.

• 1:39:08Speaker 01

  Nuts.

• 1:39:09Joe Rogan?

  They just want to get famous. You're gonna do a project with Kanye? Okay, let's go. Let's do it. Also, I'm just acting, just like that guy in Inglourious Basterds wasn't really a Nazi.

• 1:39:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:39:19Joe Rogan?

  I'm not really a Nazi. Listen, man, I gotta do what I gotta do. I got kids to feed.

• 1:39:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's nuts. It's pretty nuts. He's, look, he's super talented, man. I, one of my thoughts after hearing that song was like, man, I wish he would release the song with like a different, you know what I mean? With a different hook. Like.

• 1:39:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not gonna happen.

• 1:39:38Speaker 01

  No, I know he's not going to. But that's what I, one of my thoughts was, I was like, man, I wish he would.

• 1:39:43Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy. It's so crazy because his last album before that was a banger. It's like he came out of the gate showing people that like he's still got it. Like, yeah, you might have pulled me off all these platforms. You might have de-banked me. You might have taken away my Yeezy deal with Adidas, but damn, I still got it.

• 1:40:02Speaker 01

  And he's, and that one was released everywhere, right?

• 1:40:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah. Wow, man, that's in the Spotify playlist that we play in the green room all the time. You know, there's some fucking killer songs in that, man.

• 1:40:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's, he's.

• 1:40:14Joe Rogan?

  Classics. Classics. He's got so many bangers.

• 1:40:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:18Joe Rogan?

  But, you know, this one, he's just like letting people, I, I guess in his eye, I mean, I don't know. I haven't talked to him about it. But I guess he's like, I'll do whatever the fuck I want. I'm gonna say whatever the fuck I want.

• 1:40:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, clearly.

• 1:40:30Joe Rogan?

  So I'm gonna do the one thing that you're never, ever, ever supposed to do. I'm gonna make a catchy song. It's Heil Hitler.

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:40:39Speaker 01

  That's

• 1:40:39Joe Rogan?

  It's just like, whoa.

• 1:40:41Speaker 01

  It is the ultimate, like, I'll do whatever the fuck I want.

• 1:40:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and you had to say, like, in the casting, there's like a description of all the stuff, if you want to be a part of this production, like, you have to be comfortable with swastikas.

• 1:40:51Speaker 01

  Is that was in the?

• 1:40:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got a diamond encrusted swastika.

• 1:40:55Speaker 01

  That's also insane, dude.

• 1:40:57Joe Rogan?

  By the way, you know a Jew sold him that?

• 1:41:00Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 1:41:02Speaker 01

  Or at least supplied the diamonds.

• 1:41:04Joe Rogan?

  Where the diamonds come from?

• 1:41:05Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 1:41:06Joe Rogan?

  Jewish people have been controlling diamonds for a long time.

• 1:41:09Speaker 01

  It's insane.

• 1:41:10Joe Rogan?

  They're very smart about the diamonds, because the diamonds aren't even really that valuable anymore.

• 1:41:14Speaker 01

  You know what's fucking crazy in jewelry? Because see, this is one thing that I don't trust about, there's certain businesses where you're like, I don't know what I'm looking at, right?

• 1:41:22Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:41:23Speaker 01

  So like, a car, for instance, you have the reference to go like, how much should this cost?

• 1:41:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:41:31Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:41:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:41:32Speaker 01

  So like, it gives you some personal-

• 1:41:33Joe Rogan?

  Right, you see a Lamborghini, you know, that's like a three hundred thousand dollar car.

• 1:41:37Speaker 01

  And you can like, check with people.

• 1:41:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:41:39Speaker 01

  But like, a piece of jewelry?

• 1:41:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:41:41Speaker 01

  This guy who I bought a watch from was like, this jewelry is like, you know, this ring or whatever, it's like, whatever, fifty thousand dollars or something. I was like, oh wow. He's like, do you want it? I was like, I don't know.

• 1:41:58Speaker 01

  And, and then like, a month or two later, he, he sent me the same thing, he's like, trying to move this now, um, do you want it for like twenty?

• 1:42:08Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:42:09Speaker 01

  And I was like, I didn't, I was like, it's twenty? He's like, yeah, I'm just trying to move it now.

• 1:42:14Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean? What are you on it? What's it really cost?

• 1:42:18Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:42:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:20Speaker 01

  And so you kind of go like, wait a minute, so I was gonna pay thirty thousand dollars more for it?

• 1:42:26Joe Rogan?

  That would just go to you?

• 1:42:27Speaker 01

  That's so gross, right?

• 1:42:28Joe Rogan?

  It is gross. I would never trust that guy again.

• 1:42:30Speaker 01

  It just really turned me off, man.

• 1:42:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, it's really kooky. Fake diamonds that are real diamonds.

• 1:42:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:36Joe Rogan?

  Girls don't want them.

• 1:42:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:42:38Joe Rogan?

  I was reading this whole thing about the demand and supply for lab-created diamonds that are absolutely diamonds. They're not fake diamonds. It's a real diamond, but it's not a diamond that's pulled out of the ground by slaves.

• 1:42:53Speaker 01

  It's just lab-generated.

• 1:42:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not like a blood diamond, so like, well.

• 1:42:57Speaker 01

  And girls are like, I don't want that shit.

• 1:42:58Speaker 05

  I don't want it. It's not real. I'll know it's not real.

• 1:43:02Speaker 01

  I want someone to suffer at first.

• 1:43:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not that. What it is is the same thing as not wanting a fake Rolex, even though it's like physically the exact same thing as a Rolex.

• 1:43:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:13Joe Rogan?

  But that's at least a bran- like if you're a person who loves engineering and craftsmanship.

• 1:43:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:19Joe Rogan?

  Like, I don't want, you know, someone to rip off someone's work.

• 1:43:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:24Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's art. Like, your watch, that's a piece of art. It's a piece of art.

• 1:43:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:29Joe Rogan?

  So that makes sense you wouldn't want a fake piece of art. But a diamond is just, it's just elements compressed over time.

• 1:43:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:38Joe Rogan?

  And they've figured out how to do that, where they make perfect diamonds.

• 1:43:43Speaker 01

  Fraction of the cost, I'm assuming, right?

• 1:43:44Joe Rogan?

  But the demand is super low.

• 1:43:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. Wow.

• 1:43:47Joe Rogan?

  Ninety-nine percent less.

• 1:43:50Speaker 01

  Ninety-nine?

• 1:43:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, in some cases, especially the big ones.

• 1:43:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was gonna say, you can get like a three-carat diamond.

• 1:43:59Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. Little ladies don't want them.

• 1:44:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:02Speaker 05

  And I never will want.

• 1:44:04Speaker 01

  It's so crazy.

• 1:44:05Speaker 05

  I'll know.

• 1:44:05Speaker 01

  That's one of the things that I feel so.

• 1:44:09Speaker 05

  Do you think I'm cheap?

• 1:44:11Speaker 01

  They don't want that shit, dude. She finds out that what you got her was like the, the shittier version?

• 1:44:18Joe Rogan?

  The lab-created, but it's not even shittier.

• 1:44:20Speaker 01

  Right, no.

• 1:44:20Joe Rogan?

  It's like, lab-created diamonds are actual diamonds. It's literal alchemy. Remember like in the, like, the old days, like, they were trying to figure out a way to use, like, all these chemicals to make gold? That was what alchemists are for. Like, kings would spend insane amounts of money on these alchemists to try to get these alchemists to figure out a way. Manufac- I, I think I can make gold for you, sire.

• 1:44:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:44:43Joe Rogan?

  I need a laboratory.

• 1:44:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:44Joe Rogan?

  And these dudes are sniffing fucking mercury all day and dying young.

• 1:44:50Speaker 01

  It's the craziest thing to spend on.

• 1:44:53Joe Rogan?

  But imagine if the lady's like, no, you made that gold in a lab. I don't want it. I don't want it. I want real gold that's from Africa that came out of the ground.

• 1:45:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, we just want the real thing.

• 1:45:05Joe Rogan?

  I want the real stuff that they picked out of the river.

• 1:45:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:07Joe Rogan?

  I want the real stuff they got from Alaska. I want the real stuff. You know what? But it's just gold, baby.

• 1:45:13Speaker 01

  It's gold.

• 1:45:13Joe Rogan?

  It's just an element. It's, there's a...

• 1:45:16Speaker 01

  Who cares where it's from?

• 1:45:17Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:45:18Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:45:18Joe Rogan?

  I want stuff that's forged inside of a sun.

• 1:45:21Speaker 01

  How many women out there do you think to rock something that they're so proud of? That if they go to get it assessed, it has to happen all the time.

• 1:45:29Joe Rogan?

  It happened in my family.

• 1:45:30Speaker 01

  It did?

• 1:45:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to say who.

• 1:45:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:33Joe Rogan?

  But someone relative, not like close.

• 1:45:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:36Joe Rogan?

  But broke up with the guy and found out that it was a cubic zirconium.

• 1:45:40Speaker 01

  That's hilarious.

• 1:45:41Joe Rogan?

  LOL.

• 1:45:42Speaker 01

  That's very funny.

• 1:45:43Joe Rogan?

  But perfect for that guy. I was like, that guy's such a piece of shit. I knew it. I could have told you it was a fake diamond.

• 1:45:50Speaker 01

  That's so funny.

• 1:45:51Joe Rogan?

  I laughed so hard.

• 1:45:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. So she took it to the jeweler. All right.

• 1:45:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, she's like, I gotta break up with this guy. I don't have any money. She's, she's living with this shyster, this fucking guy who's like a, just dirtbag. And, you know, but had some money, but not real money, just like a, just bullshit artist.

• 1:46:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:08Joe Rogan?

  She's like, oh, he's a bullshit artist. I gotta leave him. Oh, fuck.

• 1:46:12Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 1:46:12Joe Rogan?

  So she's like, I'm gonna, you know, I'll have 10 grand.

• 1:46:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:15Joe Rogan?

  Sell this right.

• 1:46:15Speaker 01

  They're like, I'll give you a hundred bucks.

• 1:46:17Joe Rogan?

  It's worth nothing. They didn't want any of it. They didn't, it's not worth anything.

• 1:46:20Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 1:46:22Joe Rogan?

  Fake diamonds worth zero money.

• 1:46:24Speaker 01

  Zero dollars.

• 1:46:24Joe Rogan?

  Looks exactly like, like if you're in a party.

• 1:46:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:27Joe Rogan?

  If you go to a party, if you're a woman, you have this beautiful, big ass fucking rock and you walk in and everyone's like, oh, look at a ring. Oh my God, sparkling. Nobody knows. Nobody has any idea that it's fake.

• 1:46:37Speaker 01

  No one knows.

• 1:46:37Joe Rogan?

  You, I mean, literally, it's, again, it's not a fake Ferrari.

• 1:46:41Speaker 01

  Well, that was the thing, Chad Ocho Cinco, the football player, cause like a lot of the athletes, they rock diamond earrings and stuff. He was like, he was like, yeah, I wear fakes.

• 1:46:51Joe Rogan?

  Fakes.

• 1:46:52Speaker 01

  He's like, especially cause like if I'm... Whether it was on the field or going out, he was like, I have a real one at home. You know, I was like, I go out, I wear the fake one.

• 1:46:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, he saved a lot of money.

• 1:47:01Speaker 01

  A lot of money. He was also like always very on top of like not overspending.

• 1:47:05Joe Rogan?

  Very smart dude, very smart dude for everything except fighting. He has this very bizarre idea, like him and Shannon Sharp argue all the time. About, oh. Bizarre idea that he could like fight MMA guys and beat them.

• 1:47:17Speaker 01

  That's crazy, that's crazy.

• 1:47:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's the reason why he was such a great athlete.

• 1:47:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, confidence, crazy confidence.

• 1:47:24Joe Rogan?

  Unstoppable belief in yourself, which, listen, he's such a great athlete that if he did compete in MMA, he probably would be a world champion because he's got that, like if Michael Jordan decided he was gonna, if MMA existed when Michael Jordan was alive, he'd probably be the light heavyweight champion of the world.

• 1:47:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:47:41Joe Rogan?

  Probably figure out a way to fuck everybody else up. And also like this drive, this championship mindset, this is just rare humans that choose to focus on football or soccer or basketball or whatever it is, you know.

• 1:47:55Speaker 01

  The thing they get obsessed with.

• 1:47:56Joe Rogan?

  But if they put the same amount of energy from the same amount, at an early enough age, like there's certain like barriers that cannot be overcome and one of them is like physical maturity. Like once you're like 36 years old, if you start boxing at 36 years old, I don't care what, you're not gonna be a world champion. It's too hard, it's too hard to like.

• 1:48:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:16Joe Rogan?

  It's also what you saw with like Francis Nganu when he fought Anthony Joshua.

• 1:48:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:20Joe Rogan?

  That's the difference, you know, you can't just jump on in and fight like an Olympic old medalist. It's like been doing it his whole life. He's gonna do things to you.

• 1:48:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:29Joe Rogan?

  You're not gonna know what he's doing and he's gonna crack you.

• 1:48:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:31Joe Rogan?

  It's just, but the reason why he thinks that, like Ocho Cinco thinks that is because he was a fucking monster athlete. It's like, he knows how hard he works, he knows how gifted he is.

• 1:48:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:45Joe Rogan?

  But he just thinks, but if, you know, you put him in there with a guy like a Dreckus Duplessis or something like that, like he'd get fucking mauled.

• 1:48:53Speaker 01

  No, he's thinking, yeah, because he was a fucking precision route runner, like really.

• 1:48:57Joe Rogan?

  When someone's mounting you, drilling elbows in your eye socket.

• 1:49:01Speaker 01

  I know, it doesn't matter.

• 1:49:02Joe Rogan?

  Like, it doesn't matter. You don't know how to block them, you don't know how to stop the rear naked choke, you don't, you don't know how to stop the trip, you don't know which way to roll on a heel hook, like.

• 1:49:13Speaker 01

  They're like, I'll figure that shit out.

• 1:49:14Joe Rogan?

  No, you won't. You're gonna get your knees ripped apart, you're gonna get knocked unconscious. It's like this reality, but it's I love the fact that people think that way.

• 1:49:24Speaker 01

  There's a lot that think like that outspoken.

• 1:49:27Joe Rogan?

  It's my mentality, bro. My mentality is different. Yeah, I understand. I have that stupid part of my brain too, but I'm also smart enough to go, hey, fuckface. Like, I have two people in my head.

• 1:49:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:38Joe Rogan?

  I have like this.

• 1:49:39Speaker 01

  I can do it.

• 1:49:39Joe Rogan?

  I have the general who tells me what to do, and then I have like the soldier that's like, wait a minute. This is gonna get me killed. This is fucking, I'm not running with a hand grenade until all these bullets fly in my way.

• 1:49:52Speaker 01

  No, and you know enough, seen enough fighting to know what your limits are.

• 1:49:57Joe Rogan?

  Especially with martial arts is the big one. It's like you don't know, man. There's little tiny dudes that can choke you to death. And you have no idea. You in your mind, you're like, they're getting new shit to me. This motherfucker, I could bench 300 pounds. And next thing you know, arm drag, he's got your back. You can't get like, ah, I have the body triangle on you.

• 1:50:18Joe Rogan?

  And you don't want to tap out, but you have to.

• 1:50:19Speaker 01

  You have to.

• 1:50:20Joe Rogan?

  You're dead. You're dead. It's over.

• 1:50:22Speaker 01

  That's why it's good. It's good to do like to even try all those things. Like I've done a little bit of, you know, boxing, striking. I've done a little bit of jujitsu. It's great to have the awareness. You're like, oh, wow.

• 1:50:35Joe Rogan?

  It's a nice wake up call.

• 1:50:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. When I first started doing jujitsu, I was already like a very accomplished striker. I was really good at striking. So I was like, I know how to fight. And then I went to jujitsu class. I got my ass kicked every day.

• 1:50:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:48Joe Rogan?

  I was like, this is crazy. I was so wrong. I have this completely distorted idea of my abilities.

• 1:50:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, it really humbles you, right?

• 1:50:57Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot of people walking around out there, especially men, just think they know how to fight. It's like a terrible thing to find out on YouTube, like to see people find out that you don't really know how to fight. You just think, you know, you're gonna bluff your way.

• 1:51:11Speaker 01

  I think that's the ma- there's the male thing. Men think they know how to fight. That they're funny, that they fuck good.

• 1:51:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:18Speaker 01

  And that they can drive.

• 1:51:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:51:19Speaker 01

  Those are like the four things. They're like, I can do all this shit. Yeah.

• 1:51:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, delusions. There's like manly things you don't want somebody to be better than you at.

• 1:51:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:28Joe Rogan?

  And you get delusional things.

• 1:51:30Speaker 01

  Those four are the ones that like come up the most, I think.

• 1:51:32Joe Rogan?

  Pool's another one.

• 1:51:34Speaker 01

  Shoot, pool?

• 1:51:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a lot of guys pretend they're good at pool. I've had a bunch of dudes say they play good pool. I'm like, really? Let's find out. Let's find out.

• 1:51:42Speaker 01

  Do any ever surprise you that they are pretty good?

• 1:51:44Joe Rogan?

  Never.

• 1:51:45Speaker 01

  Never?

• 1:51:46Joe Rogan?

  Not one.

• 1:51:46Speaker 01

  Not one?

• 1:51:47Joe Rogan?

  Nope.

• 1:51:48Speaker 01

  Wow. That's actually, I thought you'd find at least a couple.

• 1:51:51Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:51:52Speaker 01

  So they're always like, I'm.

• 1:51:53Joe Rogan?

  No, usually people that are really good at pool, they'll tell you. Like, oh yeah, I used to play a lot, I played a lot of tournaments, I did this and that, like, where'd you, where'd you play?

• 1:52:01Speaker 01

  Clear.

• 1:52:01Joe Rogan?

  And they're like, oh, I played at Chelsea Billiards in New York City. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Did you do a lot of tournaments? Yeah, yeah, yeah, did a lot of gambling. It was fucking me up in high school. Like, okay.

• 1:52:11Speaker 01

  This guy's.

• 1:52:12Joe Rogan?

  I get it. You, you, you know what you're talking about. But the guy's like, yeah, man, I'm fucking good at pool. I'm like, are you? Where do you play? It's like, oh, bars, mostly, like, right. So it's one of two things happening. Either they're trying to sucker you into a game, and they are really good at pool. Or they're delusional. And every time I've ever experienced it, it's delusional.

• 1:52:31Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:52:31Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of people, dude, like, famous people.

• 1:52:34Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:52:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, a bunch, yeah.

• 1:52:36Speaker 01

  They're like, I'm pretty good.

• 1:52:37Joe Rogan?

  Bring them over, I don't want to say names, but bring them over onto the table, and they're like, what the fuck?

• 1:52:40Speaker 01

  Oh, you have to tell me these names after.

• 1:52:42Joe Rogan?

  Tell you afterwards.

• 1:52:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's fun.

• 1:52:47Speaker 01

  It's fun to see somebody.

• 1:52:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's fun, but, you know, it's one of those things. That people like, like, a lot of men want to think they're good at poker, like, oh, I can read people, like, sure.

• 1:52:57Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, that's another one. Dudes think they're good at playing cards.

• 1:53:00Joe Rogan?

  Poker's a great one. Ari Shafir, when we were, uh, at the store, Ari for years made a living playing poker.

• 1:53:08Speaker 01

  He made a living doing that?

• 1:53:09Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. He would go and play in the Bicycle Club and all those.

• 1:53:13Speaker 01

  So he was pretty good?

• 1:53:15Joe Rogan?

  Ari was very good at poker, but he would tell you, but like, all these people think they can play, they don't know what the fuck they're doing. Because they play stupid. Like, he's just intelligent and calculated.

• 1:53:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:24Joe Rogan?

  He knows.

• 1:53:25Speaker 01

  You know who's really good?

• 1:53:26Joe Rogan?

  Who?

• 1:53:26Speaker 01

  Uh, Philip Lee and his wife.

• 1:53:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:53:29Speaker 01

  They play in tournaments.

• 1:53:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:53:30Speaker 01

  Margarita and Philip, they play in tournaments.

• 1:53:32Joe Rogan?

  So's Bruce Buffer. Bruce Buffer played in the World Series of Poker.

• 1:53:35Speaker 01

  I never, I never got into poker, and I remember when I was working in post-production, like, in the early 2000s. That it was starting to get more and more, like, now it's, I think, immensely popular, but there was like, there was like an uptick when they started to, like, televise it.

• 1:53:49Joe Rogan?

  You know what it was? You know what made it uptick?

• 1:53:50Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:53:51Joe Rogan?

  You could see the cards. When at home, you know who's got what.

• 1:53:55Speaker 01

  You know who's got what.

• 1:53:56Joe Rogan?

  Right. So you're watching it play out. That's a huge element that's on home. Cause Anthony Giordano, my friend from the UFC, who he does all the UFC direction. He's done my comedy specials too. He explained it to me. He's like, the moment you could see those cards, it changed the game. Cause now it made it exciting for people to watch. Cause you're watching people play poker. You don't know what anybody's hand is until the end. This is stupid. But if there's like, you got a camera. So like as they fan open their cards, there's a camera under the table.

• 1:54:26Speaker 01

  And shows you what they got.

• 1:54:27Joe Rogan?

  And it shows you whatever buddy's got like, ooh.

• 1:54:29Speaker 01

  That's more exciting. That makes a lot of sense.

• 1:54:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh yeah, it's way more fun.

• 1:54:33Speaker 01

  Dude, I don't even know how to play poker. And I would accept invites to poker games. And what happens is you start playing with like how you think to play. And people start, when they don't know you, they're like, this guy, he's either fucking really ballsy and good. Or he's a retard.

• 1:54:53Speaker 01

  And that's what would happen to me is like a couple of games in, people were like, okay, yeah, this guy. And then pretty soon they're like, do you play poker? And I was like, I'm not really sure what we're doing here.

• 1:55:04Speaker 01

  They're like, get the fuck out of here, man.

• 1:55:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, they also want to rob you.

• 1:55:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:08Joe Rogan?

  That's a big thing too. Cause you're a big fish.

• 1:55:10Speaker 01

  Well, I wasn't, I wasn't at all then.

• 1:55:12Joe Rogan?

  At the dawn.

• 1:55:13Speaker 01

  No, no, no. I was just like going like with people from work, you know? I was just like doing it socially.

• 1:55:18Joe Rogan?

  That's gotta be a lot, a thing where a lot of people like that are really wealthy that get into gambling.

• 1:55:23Speaker 01

  Oh, be a target?

• 1:55:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:55:25Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

• 1:55:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's a big thing with pool players too, is occasionally poker players. Cause poker players, a lot of them, they gamble on a bunch of different stuff. You know, a lot of them are just gambling addicts.

• 1:55:38Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:55:39Joe Rogan?

  And so there was always a bunch of poker players that would play pool. And they were kind of okay at pool, but they would get insane spots. Like say if, like I knew this guy that was playing One Pocket for like a hundred thousand dollars a set. And One Pocket is a weird game where a pool table has six pockets.

• 1:55:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56:00Joe Rogan?

  And so like if we were playing One Pocket, you would have this pocket on the right, I'd have this pocket on the left. And there's 15 balls. And so all I have to do is make eight balls into my hole and I win the game.

• 1:56:14Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:56:14Joe Rogan?

  Normally. But if you don't know how to play and I'm trying to sucker you into playing me, I go, okay, listen. I'll spot you on 15 ball game, I'll spot you 13 balls.

• 1:56:27Speaker 01

  13?

• 1:56:28Joe Rogan?

  13 balls. You just have to get two. We're gonna play for big money. We're gonna play for big money. We're gonna play for race to five for a hundred thousand dollars. So that means whoever in a game of one pocket takes a long time. It's not like a game of nine ball. A game of nine ball, you could be done in two minutes. You just run the rack, you know, like a good player.

• 1:56:47Speaker 01

  Cause anywhere you can go.

• 1:56:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:49Speaker 01

  But in this case, you have to go to one pocket.

• 1:56:50Joe Rogan?

  You can make a combo one to nine. Exactly. One pocket and, and you can't leave a shot. Because if you're playing a good player, so like if, if you were playing, if like, okay, me, let's say me, cause I'm like a, what I would call, I'm like what's called a B player. Like I can't beat pros, but compared to regular people, oh my God, you, are you, how do you play so good? Regular people don't know how to play. That's, that's why it is.

• 1:57:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:57:15Joe Rogan?

  But if I played like a pro, like if I played like my friend Fedor Gorst, who's like world champion.

• 1:57:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:23Joe Rogan?

  Like I would probably need like out of 15 balls, I'd probably need 11 balls to have a chance. And even then I'm probably getting robbed.

• 1:57:33Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:57:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:35Speaker 01

  Cause he's just gonna?

• 1:57:36Joe Rogan?

  He's gonna figure out a way to never leave me a shot and then he's gonna calculate when he has a shot, can he open up the stack? And then run all the other balls. Cause you don't break like you break with eight ball. When you break with one pocket, it's a very calculated game. And it's a big gambling game. The most money gets spent on, like I was just watching online the other day, a game they were playing for 240,000 dollars. Yeah. It was, was a match for 240,000 dollars. I think it was a three day match.

• 1:58:04Speaker 01

  I gotta watch one of these.

• 1:58:05Joe Rogan?

  It's the, the pressure's insane, but this guy, Justin Bergman, who's like one of the best players in the world, was playing this guy and he gave him a crazy spot. I think it was, uh, I think it was, it might've been like.

• 1:58:19Joe Rogan?

  He had a, it was something crazy, like ten six or something like that. Where he had a, he had to make ten balls, the other guy to make six balls. And the guy was a good player, too.

• 1:58:27Speaker 01

  And so, if you're, so this is like, it's more like chess almost, it feels like, right? Cause you're like, they're calculating, like.

• 1:58:33Joe Rogan?

  You have to risk reward, because like, say you might have a long spot in your hole, and if you make it, you have all these balls and you can run out the set, or you can run out the game.

• 1:58:43Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:58:44Joe Rogan?

  But if you miss, you're selling out, and this guy only has to make six balls, and he might be able to make six balls.

• 1:58:48Speaker 01

  And it's any six.

• 1:58:49Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, any six.

• 1:58:51Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:58:51Joe Rogan?

  It's just, any ball just has to be in your hole, in any order. It's not a, a thing, it's not like a rotation game, like one through nine, or eight ball, where you're like, I got stripes, you got solids.

• 1:59:01Speaker 01

  It's just, anything goes.

• 1:59:03Joe Rogan?

  Any ball in that hole.

• 1:59:04Speaker 01

  And like, the really, really good players can spot you that much, and you still don't have a chance.

• 1:59:09Joe Rogan?

  You don't have a chance. And there's really good players, like, there's a guy named Tony Chohan, who's real famous. His nickname's T-Rex. And he's like, a big time money gambler. And there's another guy named Scott Frost, who's a friend of mine.

• 1:59:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:21Joe Rogan?

  Who's like, one of the biggest one-pocket players of all time. Guarantee you, Scott Frost has gambled, over the course of his life, millions of dollars have changed hands with Scott Frost playing.

• 1:59:33Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:59:34Joe Rogan?

  Playing one-pocket, yeah. He's like, one of the best one-pocket players, like, literally, ever. And these guys are playing, you know, they'll meet up in Kentucky, they'll, they'll, they'll have steak horses, and then people on the rail. So, all the people that are watching are gambling as well. So, you might have a, you know, there might be a set that's being played for half a million dollars.

• 1:59:54Speaker 01

  Fucking A.

• 1:59:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Like, this one that I was watching, the Justin Bergman one, was $240,000 they were playing for.

• 2:00:00Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 2:00:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And who knows how many people gamble on the side?

• 2:00:03Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying, it's, it's generating a lot more.

• 2:00:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's crazy.

• 2:00:06Speaker 01

  That's when you think about, like, I think it's easy to forget, when you're just into, like, the game, like, the amount of money that changes hands, week to week with the NFL.

• 2:00:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, god.

• 2:00:16Speaker 01

  Oh, my god, dude.

• 2:00:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god.

• 2:00:18Speaker 01

  Billions of dollars.

• 2:00:19Joe Rogan?

  Billions, has to be, has to be.

• 2:00:21Speaker 01

  It is such a gambling machine.

• 2:00:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:00:25Speaker 01

  And like, the NFL kinda like goes like, no, it's not.

• 2:00:30Speaker 01

  It's about the gridiron. But then they also got to the point where it's like, you know, they couldn't ignore it. Cause then you have sponsorships, right? Of like, there's gambling sites, like we're the official gambling site.

• 2:00:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:44Speaker 01

  So it's all intermingled now. Yeah, we're just part of it.

• 2:00:47Joe Rogan?

  Listen, I'm all for you being able to do whatever the fuck you want to do.

• 2:00:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:51Joe Rogan?

  I, I'd like it. I don't like rules that regulate people's stupidity. I think if you wanna-

• 2:00:56Speaker 01

  Be as dumb as you want.

• 2:00:57Joe Rogan?

  If you wanna do flips on your dirt bike, you should be able to do that.

• 2:01:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:00Joe Rogan?

  So you should also be able to gamble your life away. If you wanna do that. I don't think you should.

• 2:01:04Speaker 01

  Not the, yeah.

• 2:01:05Joe Rogan?

  But, but I believe in, I believe in Darwinism. I believe you, you're supposed to let people like lose everything.

• 2:01:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:15Speaker 04

  2024, 148.7 billion dollars gambled.

• 2:01:22Joe Rogan?

  That's interesting because that's what Doge found they spent on transgender animal studies, the exact amount.

• 2:01:28Speaker 01

  Bro, that's so much money.

• 2:01:30Joe Rogan?

  148 billion.

• 2:01:32Speaker 04

  That's three a week?

• 2:01:33Joe Rogan?

  Listen, compared to what the United States government chews up every day, that's not the-

• 2:01:37Speaker 01

  No, that's true.

• 2:01:38Speaker 04

  This is just the United States too. This doesn't include any other country.

• 2:01:40Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy. And that's just football?

• 2:01:43Speaker 04

  No, no, it's all sports, but most of-

• 2:01:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, all sports?

• 2:01:46Speaker 04

  It's gotta be mostly football, but-

• 2:01:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a lot of football, dude.

• 2:01:49Joe Rogan?

  There's been a lot of scandals with the NBA, right?

• 2:01:51Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, the, the-

• 2:01:53Joe Rogan?

  Referees shaving points.

• 2:01:54Speaker 01

  Donahue, I think is his name. That was nuts.

• 2:01:57Joe Rogan?

  There's gotta be a lot of those dirtbags out there, which totally makes sense.

• 2:02:01Speaker 01

  And it's so funny too, cause the NBA, there's probably like, in football, there's this thing that happens where like, every single down, you could call holding, if you wanted to. Holding just happens in every play, right?

• 2:02:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:02:13Speaker 01

  Every play. But what they tend to call are egregious holds. Meaning that the guy who's the defender is going past you and you see the offensive guy's arm extended, pulling the jersey. They're like, I would call that. Basketball, it is so ticky tack, what can be called and what can be ignored and what is ignored and what is called. And it's just like ref to ref. Like there's these clear-

• 2:02:40Speaker 01

  Palming, traveling, charges, like you see it sometimes, you're like, what was that?

• 2:02:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:02:45Speaker 01

  Fingertips like graze the guys' arms, and they fucking call the foul. And then somebody gets hacked, no foul, right? And it's just, you kind of go, well, that's just like in the moment of the game. And like if that guy wants to be dirty, like the one was.

• 2:03:01Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, you can make some money.

• 2:03:02Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 2:03:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and if you got, if you're working for the mob or something like that, like this is your job. Your job is to shave points, your job is to make sure that this, these guys don't score as much.

• 2:03:12Speaker 01

  They just keep calling the fouls on the other guys, sending you to the foul line and

• 2:03:16Joe Rogan?

  God.

• 2:03:17Speaker 01

  Keep that spread open, it's really gross, man, yeah.

• 2:03:20Joe Rogan?

  There's a real problem with it with MMA, too.

• 2:03:22Speaker 01

  Is there really?

• 2:03:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, there's a real problem with MMA, um, with, uh, here's a problem with MMA gambling, incompetent judging.

• 2:03:30Speaker 01

  Well, that's the thing.

• 2:03:31Joe Rogan?

  Is it incompetent, or is it?

• 2:03:33Speaker 01

  Dirty.

• 2:03:34Joe Rogan?

  Dirty.

• 2:03:34Speaker 01

  With boxing, too.

• 2:03:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:36Speaker 01

  We've never seen anything.

• 2:03:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:03:38Speaker 01

  Because like, even the layperson can watch someone beat the shit out of somebody and be like, this guy's fucking whooping this guy's ass. And you see the decision go the other way and you're like, huh, what happened?

• 2:03:49Joe Rogan?

  There's been a few decisions like that. There was one lady in Vegas and she got barred from ever, um, refereeing or judging fights again.

• 2:03:56Speaker 01

  So.

• 2:03:57Joe Rogan?

  There was a few fights that she was involved with, everybody was like, what the fuck?

• 2:04:01Speaker 01

  And she was the

• 2:04:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we don't know.

• 2:04:02Speaker 01

  Common denominator.

• 2:04:03Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if she's ever been charged, I don't want to mention her name.

• 2:04:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:06Joe Rogan?

  But I know that there was like a real issue, was a real issue with world title fights. Where people were like, how the fuck is this? Because if, say, look if, say if like you're, uh, say it's Canelo Alvarez is fighting someone that you know he's gonna win, you know he's gonna be, but you can place a prop bet on it being a split decision.

• 2:04:29Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:04:30Joe Rogan?

  Or a majority decision, all you have to do is get one person to say it's a draw.

• 2:04:34Speaker 01

  And that's it.

• 2:04:35Joe Rogan?

  And like, look, he's gonna win.

• 2:04:36Speaker 01

  He's gonna win.

• 2:04:37Joe Rogan?

  He's gonna win either way, but if I want to place a shit ton of money.

• 2:04:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:43Joe Rogan?

  On this one thing, some dirty judge could score to draw.

• 2:04:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:49Joe Rogan?

  And you just have to convince that dirty judge, like, just listen, doesn't matter, you're not affecting this guy's career.

• 2:04:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:55Joe Rogan?

  He's gonna get the win, no one's gonna remember, just make it a majority decision.

• 2:05:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:02Joe Rogan?

  And you've just gotta justify why you thought, I'm a big fan of defense.

• 2:05:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:05Joe Rogan?

  I think the other guy just like, he blocked a lot of punches, I thought it was great.

• 2:05:09Speaker 01

  It's really, it's...

• 2:05:12Speaker 01

  There's so many, I feel like, in combat sports where the judging is...

• 2:05:15Joe Rogan?

  Because it's so subjective.

• 2:05:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:17Joe Rogan?

  But it's just, for a fighter, the crazy thing is you lose half your purse.

• 2:05:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:22Joe Rogan?

  Because like, you might get, you know, a hundred thousand to fight, and then a hundred thousand dollars to win. And so if they, they hit you with a bullshit decision, you lost a hundred grand.

• 2:05:32Speaker 01

  That's...

• 2:05:32Joe Rogan?

  Because some hometown decision or some corruption.

• 2:05:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's really unique that you have a sport, when you think about it, where there's a subjective winner.

• 2:05:44Joe Rogan?

  Right, it's not like football.

• 2:05:45Speaker 01

  Right, where like, this is the score.

• 2:05:47Joe Rogan?

  Every time to score, yeah, basketball, ball goes in the net, score. You could shave point, you could bullshit, you know?

• 2:05:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:05:53Joe Rogan?

  But if you gotta, if you're playing Michael Jordan, he's gonna score on you.

• 2:05:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:05:56Joe Rogan?

  Like, you, what are you gonna, how are you gonna stop him? You're not gonna stop him, right? So like, the numbers he puts up are the numbers he puts up. But in boxing and in MMA, like, remember when Roy Jones lost in the Olympics? Do you remember that?

• 2:06:07Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 2:06:08Joe Rogan?

  He lost the Olympics in Korea.

• 2:06:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:10Joe Rogan?

  And he fucked that dude up. He beat that dude from pillar to post.

• 2:06:14Speaker 01

  That was corruption.

• 2:06:15Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent.

• 2:06:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:16Joe Rogan?

  It was nationalism. It was like, it was in Korea, like, Koreans are very proud, and they're like, he won. Like, what?

• 2:06:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:06:23Joe Rogan?

  Roy Jones Jr. in his prime, in the Olympics, I mean, not even in his prime yet.

• 2:06:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, he fucked that guy up.

• 2:06:28Joe Rogan?

  Fucked that guy up.

• 2:06:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:30Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, there's been a few decisions like that in boxing, where you're like, how is this?

• 2:06:34Speaker 01

  The one, because I, I watched a video on this, I think recently too, where I was like, oh, what was the explanation? Where it was Kennedy, Tim, right? Is that his name? The fighter?

• 2:06:45Joe Rogan?

  Tim Kennedy?

• 2:06:46Speaker 01

  Right? Is that his name?

• 2:06:46Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:06:47Speaker 01

  Fighting the, the Cuban guy?

• 2:06:49Joe Rogan?

  Yowel Romero.

• 2:06:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:51Speaker 01

  That was a really...

• 2:06:52Joe Rogan?

  That was a bad one.

• 2:06:52Speaker 01

  That was bad.

• 2:06:53Joe Rogan?

  That was a bad one, yeah, that was a...

• 2:06:55Speaker 01

  Where like

• 2:06:56Joe Rogan?

  You know, I don't know if that's the referee's fault or whatever, but he didn't get off of his stool. So Kennedy, Tim had rocked him real bad at the end of the round, like real bad. And then Yoel came, went to his corner, wobbling, fucking out of it. And at the end of the one minute break that you're supposed to have, sat on the stool. It should be, it's over.

• 2:07:17Speaker 01

  It's over.

• 2:07:17Joe Rogan?

  Should be, it's over. But he got an additional, I want to say more than thirty seconds to recover. Before he got, and then he wound up beating Tim. But also psychologically, for the guy who was fucking him up, for Tim. It's like, no, this fight is over. You're fucking me. I'm getting fucked here.

• 2:07:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:07:35Joe Rogan?

  And so then you're

• 2:07:35Speaker 01

  Your brain starts to

• 2:07:36Joe Rogan?

  And then you get out of your fight mindset, which has to be zen.

• 2:07:40Speaker 01

  Cause he's get, you're getting into the injustice mindset. Like, why isn't anybody fucking doing anything?

• 2:07:45Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 2:07:45Speaker 01

  And there was, that was just like a

• 2:07:47Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:07:48Speaker 01

  Oversight.

• 2:07:48Joe Rogan?

  It was crazy.

• 2:07:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:49Joe Rogan?

  I don't know who, I don't want to pass blame, but someone fucked up.

• 2:07:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:54Joe Rogan?

  It should have been, in my mind, the one minute, get up, are you gonna get up? Fight's over. This guy won.

• 2:08:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:01Joe Rogan?

  That's it. He retired on his stool. Fuck you.

• 2:08:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:05Joe Rogan?

  Fight's over. That's what it should have been, in my, in my mind. Also, when the fight, when the, the round does go over one minute and the guy doesn't get up. You've, you've put a burden on Kennedy. That is just like, totally unfair.

• 2:08:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:18Joe Rogan?

  Totally unfair, especially when he was rocking him at the end of the round, like this, this is like, the more time he gets to recover, there's a reason why in boxing you only get ten seconds.

• 2:08:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:28Joe Rogan?

  You know, the more time he gets to recover, the more it's possible that he can win. This is not fair.

• 2:08:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:33Joe Rogan?

  Like, it's supposed to be one minute, and that's it. If the fight doesn't restart at one minute, he's not ready, it's over.

• 2:08:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:41Joe Rogan?

  So, that's only happened once. And unfortunately for Tim, it happened to him.

• 2:08:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that does suck.

• 2:08:45Joe Rogan?

  It was a bummer.

• 2:08:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:46Joe Rogan?

  It was a bummer because Yoel Romero went on to, I mean, Yoel was a freak of all freaks, so, like The guy could recover. And he was also like, just built like a superhero.

• 2:08:56Speaker 01

  Oh, he looked like a goddamn pit bull.

• 2:08:59Joe Rogan?

  He was part of the Cuban athlete program.

• 2:09:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. Traps in the head.

• 2:09:05Joe Rogan?

  Bro, everybody who fought him said that like, hitting him hurt.

• 2:09:09Speaker 01

  Hitting him.

• 2:09:09Joe Rogan?

  So he was like, he's like made out of metal. They all said that. Everybody said like, everybody, like Robert Whitaker, who beat him twice. Uh, who was the middleweight champion, he's like, every time you hit him, it hurt you. Like, he's just different. Yeah.

• 2:09:22Speaker 01

  Freaky guy.

• 2:09:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so like if Chad Ochotshinko thinks he was gonna beat that guy.

• 2:09:27Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:09:28Joe Rogan?

  Like, listen, bro.

• 2:09:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:09:30Joe Rogan?

  Like, there's people like you out there.

• 2:09:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:32Joe Rogan?

  That also really know how to fight.

• 2:09:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:34Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, there's like, people that have that. That's a problem with like, really tough guys. They think they're the only one like that.

• 2:09:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:43Joe Rogan?

  It's like, you don't wanna discourage that in a fighter.

• 2:09:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:47Joe Rogan?

  Because that's the thing that gets them to a championship level in the first place, is this belief that they're just different.

• 2:09:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:53Joe Rogan?

  Than everybody, they're the chosen one, that they're destined for this. But the wake-up call that those guys get when they get knocked unconscious is the craziest thing. It's like, the reality, like, oh my god, I am the victim now.

• 2:10:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:06Joe Rogan?

  I am what I have been doing to other people, someone just did to me, and now it's over.

• 2:10:11Speaker 01

  That has to rock you on such a deep level.

• 2:10:14Joe Rogan?

  The deepest.

• 2:10:15Speaker 01

  Well, because it's also, it fucks with your identity.

• 2:10:18Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:10:19Speaker 01

  Like, who you are.

• 2:10:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, your worth.

• 2:10:21Speaker 01

  Your whole, yeah, your whole self-worth.

• 2:10:23Joe Rogan?

  Girlfriend's not attracted to you anymore?

• 2:10:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:25Joe Rogan?

  You just got laid out?

• 2:10:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, everybody thinks of you as a loser now? Yeah. Hey, had a rough one Saturday, huh? What happened?

• 2:10:32Speaker 01

  What happened?

• 2:10:32Joe Rogan?

  Hey, what happened? And all your, that fat, stupid fucking neighbor that's happy that you're a loser now?

• 2:10:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:37Joe Rogan?

  Like, yeah, wasn't your night, huh, pal?

• 2:10:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, happens to all of us.

• 2:10:41Joe Rogan?

  And you're like, hey, man, fuck you.

• 2:10:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:42Joe Rogan?

  Like, listen, you know, maybe fucking take a job where you're not getting punched in the head, stupid. Don't get mad at me.

• 2:10:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:10:50Joe Rogan?

  People love it when the dominator fails.

• 2:10:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, we like to, you know, it's funny because we like to, like, society, I think, I feel, I don't know if it's just all over the world, or it feels like it's kind of American. We love to discover someone.

• 2:11:04Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:11:05Speaker 01

  Ride with them, want everyone to know, this is who, I've been with this person from the beginning.

• 2:11:11Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:11:12Speaker 01

  See them reach a certain height, and then go, oh, fuck 'em. Fuck that guy. And then bring him down. You see it all the time.

• 2:11:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, because our society's infested with bitches. Like, an apartment filled with roaches, our society's infested with bitches.

• 2:11:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:26Joe Rogan?

  And there's always gonna be people that don't do their best, that don't go for things, that don't try real hard, that never put themselves out there. And so, when someone does and fails, they're like, ha, ha, ha, ha, and they wanna troll them on social media.

• 2:11:41Speaker 01

  You're not better than me.

• 2:11:42Joe Rogan?

  I tell so many fighters, you gotta stay offline. Cause I've talked to fighters, like when they're arguing with people online and I'll meet them, I'll see them, I'm like, hey man, listen to me. I know you think you're doing, like you're shutting these people up. If you ever see you, I'll fucking smack you. Dude, I'm telling you, right now, you gotta stop doing this.

• 2:12:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:01Joe Rogan?

  You gotta stop engaging and stop reading these things. This thing is, it's poison. You're reading poison. And it gets in your head. It gets in your head like while you're training.

• 2:12:09Speaker 01

  I'm sure.

• 2:12:10Joe Rogan?

  You think about it while you're training. I know it does. It's like, a lot of these guys are very fragile, cause a lot of these guys got like bullied and picked on, which is why they got into fighting in the first place.

• 2:12:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. To like defend themselves, right?

• 2:12:21Joe Rogan?

  And then you're getting bullied by a hundred thousand unknown anonymous fifteen year olds.

• 2:12:29Joe Rogan?

  And your neighbor.

• 2:12:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. Your neighbor's hoping for your downfall.

• 2:12:32Joe Rogan?

  Dude, I was reading this story about this lady who, uh, this girl, this young girl was getting like mercilessly trolled online and she found out it was her mom.

• 2:12:43Speaker 01

  Yes, I saw this story.

• 2:12:44Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 2:12:45Speaker 01

  It's like incomprehensible.

• 2:12:47Joe Rogan?

  Incomprehensible. There's monsters out there.

• 2:12:50Speaker 01

  That's a monster. To do that to your daughter?

• 2:12:54Speaker 01

  She's just jealous of her daughter's looks and popularity? Fucking crazy. That's a monster.

• 2:13:01Joe Rogan?

  Monsters are real.

• 2:13:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't, you know, you can't like fucking Gandhi everything. You can't, you know, Sat Nam the whole world. Ah, Yamaste, Namaste.

• 2:13:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:10Joe Rogan?

  No, that's not real.

• 2:13:11Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:13:11Joe Rogan?

  Like, there's people out there you gotta kill.

• 2:13:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. This happened to like, um, some soccer player too. I remember I watched like a doc on him. It's like, kinda vague to me, but he was getting totally, like mercilessly trolled and attacked by someone and it turned out to be one of his friends.

• 2:13:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:13:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:31Joe Rogan?

  Marvin Gaye got killed by his dad?

• 2:13:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's...

• 2:13:34Joe Rogan?

  You wanna hear something crazy? I was dating this girl and I was a giant Marvin Gaye fan. I think she, I think she didn't like it. That I was a giant. She was like kinda a cunt. She was kinda a cunt. And, uh, one of the things that she said was like, imagine how bad of a person he was that his own father killed him. And I was like, that's what you got out of this?

• 2:13:54Speaker 01

  That's your perspective?

• 2:13:55Joe Rogan?

  That's what you got out of this? That she was such a bad person. Like, what, what could he have done?

• 2:14:00Speaker 01

  For your...

• 2:14:00Joe Rogan?

  That would have justified his father shooting him and killing him? I'll tell you what he did. He, he fucking outshone his father.

• 2:14:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:08Joe Rogan?

  That's what he did.

• 2:14:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:10Joe Rogan?

  He, he reached levels of love that his father couldn't possibly have achieved in his life and he, his father realized, I'll never be as good as my son, fuck my son, and he hated him because of that.

• 2:14:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:21Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I'm sure there's probably a bunch of other stuff involved too, but.

• 2:14:24Speaker 01

  But that's dark, man.

• 2:14:25Joe Rogan?

  Dark. You shot your son.

• 2:14:27Speaker 01

  You shot your son.

• 2:14:28Joe Rogan?

  You shot your son and you, it's not like your son was trying to kill you.

• 2:14:30Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:14:31Joe Rogan?

  And you had to defend yourself and shoot him. No, he's a, he's just an amazing singer that the whole world loved.

• 2:14:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:37Joe Rogan?

  And he probably has a bitch ass friend. Yeah, look at you, man.

• 2:14:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:41Joe Rogan?

  Your son Marvin's killing it and you're just a fucking loser. Fucking kid.

• 2:14:46Speaker 01

  What was the, cause I always knew that the father, was it like a clear cut, like homicide one?

• 2:14:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the father just shot him.

• 2:14:55Speaker 01

  And.

• 2:14:56Joe Rogan?

  There was a, it was an interesting thing because I think what had happened with Marvin Gaye was Marvin had achieved like incredible fame, but he got fucked over in some record deal where he had like no money.

• 2:15:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15:10Joe Rogan?

  I think he had like.

• 2:15:11Speaker 01

  Like everybody in that era.

• 2:15:12Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 2:15:13Speaker 01

  So fucking predatory.

• 2:15:15Joe Rogan?

  You wanna talk about predatory?

• 2:15:16Speaker 01

  The worst. The music business is like the most disgusting.

• 2:15:19Joe Rogan?

  You ever read the thing that Courtney Love wrote, wrote about it, about the music business? A lot of people don't even think she wrote it because it's too, too good. But it was essentially a breakdown of how bad the music business fucks you.

• 2:15:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15:31Joe Rogan?

  And this is at a time where you actually sold records.

• 2:15:34Speaker 01

  Tons of them sometimes, yeah.

• 2:15:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because now, now the music business, like it's like the mask is off, like it doesn't provide any value.

• 2:15:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15:41Joe Rogan?

  And they still take 50% of your touring, which is.

• 2:15:43Speaker 01

  Of your touring?

• 2:15:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, 50 50. They do 50 50 deals, merch, touring, yeah. And then what are they gonna do?

• 2:15:50Speaker 01

  What do they provide?

• 2:15:51Joe Rogan?

  They can't even get you on the radio because the radio doesn't exist.

• 2:15:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15:53Joe Rogan?

  Like, you, you know, that's why people that break through from that model, like Oliver Anthony or, you know, Tyler, the Creator is a great example, like just makes his own stuff, puts it all, and it doesn't have to be.

• 2:16:04Speaker 01

  People don't even realize that in that era too, you would, after your tour, after your tour. And your hit album that you'd be in debt.

• 2:16:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:16:13Speaker 01

  To the record companies. They're like, you gotta do another album.

• 2:16:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. And the record companies all rich.

• 2:16:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:18Joe Rogan?

  Everyone's profiting.

• 2:16:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:19Joe Rogan?

  And then also, they want you to subsidize the failures.

• 2:16:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:24Joe Rogan?

  All these boy bands that they pushed that never made it.

• 2:16:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:26Joe Rogan?

  All the money that they put into that, that's a part of the accounting.

• 2:16:29Speaker 01

  So insane.

• 2:16:30Joe Rogan?

  And then Hollywood does the same thing. They, they would do the same thing with like, how much money a movie made.

• 2:16:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:35Joe Rogan?

  Like, there's been tons of lawsuits.

• 2:16:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:37Joe Rogan?

  Involved, that kind of stuff.

• 2:16:39Speaker 01

  Wait, but where were you with, um, Marvin? You're like, he's broke?

• 2:16:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so he, I, if, if I remember this story correctly, uh, it was so depressing, I didn't even wanna like, really get into it. Because I think he had become huge superstar and then didn't have any money. Which is, that's happened more than once.

• 2:17:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:01Joe Rogan?

  Like, and I think he might have had to move back in with his parents.

• 2:17:04Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:17:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think that's.

• 2:17:06Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:17:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's the story. See if you can find that.

• 2:17:12Speaker 01

  It says he bought his dad a Cadillac, but this is years later, though.

• 2:17:16Joe Rogan?

  Right, but the thing is, like, he might have, like, bought him money when the money was flowing in.

• 2:17:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 2:17:21Joe Rogan?

  And then, after a while, you know, that's the other thing that happens with artists. Like, artists are impulsive, so they spend all their money.

• 2:17:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:17:28Joe Rogan?

  And then they, they don't really, like, how many artists get given, like, a Mercedes Benz by, you know, the, the head of a, a label? And they think, like, oh shit, I'm killing it. Meanwhile, it's a leased car.

• 2:17:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:39Joe Rogan?

  You know, and they're just siphoning money out of you.

• 2:17:42Speaker 01

  Someone's writing that loss.

• 2:17:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're just getting fucked. You're getting fucked left and right and right and left and, you know, and all they do is sell art. You know? They're, all they do is sell art. And they don't make any of it, and they make more money than anybody.

• 2:17:55Speaker 01

  That's real, uh, it's so crazy. People didn't know, cause now if you are into music, whatever, you don't realize how much it was a thing to have music videos, right? Like, that used to be such the biggest thing. And a lot of artists, especially like the young artists, didn't even know. That they were paying for the music video.

• 2:18:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:14Speaker 01

  So like the label would be like, go shoot your video. And they'd be like, cool.

• 2:18:17Joe Rogan?

  It's a million dollars.

• 2:18:18Speaker 01

  And they'd be like, great. And then they're like, oh no, you're gonna pay for that. But they tell them later. We gotta deduct that million. They're like, wait, what?

• 2:18:24Joe Rogan?

  They're not sophisticated. They're not finance majors. Which is what we're talking about earlier. You should learn that in school.

• 2:18:29Speaker 01

  No idea that you're like, wait, I pay, I thought you guys are paying for this.

• 2:18:33Joe Rogan?

  No. It's kind of funny that the video, like, everything is visual. You know, like, everything's visual now. There's so much video that people watch, but yet music videos kind of went away.

• 2:18:45Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:18:45Joe Rogan?

  Except Kanye's.

• 2:18:49Speaker 01

  That one we definitely all saw.

• 2:18:50Joe Rogan?

  And the new one looks like he made it for forty dollars.

• 2:18:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:53Joe Rogan?

  Like, it doesn't, I mean, it's like, you got a drone and a bunch of people yelling, "Heil Hitler."

• 2:18:57Speaker 01

  And he had like the black light kind of effect, yeah.

• 2:18:59Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't seem like that cost a lot.

• 2:19:01Speaker 01

  No, I don't think that probably costs a lot. You can make things now too for so much less.

• 2:19:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, with AI?

• 2:19:07Speaker 01

  Accessible, yeah.

• 2:19:08Joe Rogan?

  With AI, you don't even have to have the actual people doing it.

• 2:19:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 2:19:12Joe Rogan?

  Which is really crazy. Like, what you could do now is nuts. My daughter was showing me some stuff that you could do with just photographs. Where she could take photographs and then she throws them through this filter and then they're dancing around and moving. You're like, this is nuts.

• 2:19:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:25Joe Rogan?

  So all you need is a photograph and especially if you chose to have like effects in it, like some sort of psychedelic fucking weird things where things morph and change. It all could be done with AI now.

• 2:19:39Speaker 01

  That's incredible.

• 2:19:40Joe Rogan?

  Easily.

• 2:19:41Speaker 01

  Well, there's, there's articles out about some studio, maybe it's here in, in Texas. I got the, somebody sent me the link to this, that this company wants to, yeah, they want to start making studio quality movies for 500K AI movies.

• 2:20:02Joe Rogan?

  I bet they can make it for cheaper than that.

• 2:20:03Speaker 01

  But that's.

• 2:20:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:06Speaker 01

  These are, I mean, that's.

• 2:20:07Joe Rogan?

  They'll probably have AI write the script, man. I mean, if you're thinking about some like dumbass fucking cop movie, you know, some silly bank heist movie. You got a hero who's gonna go in and fucking kill the bad guys.

• 2:20:22Speaker 01

  Fraction of the cost.

• 2:20:23Joe Rogan?

  You could write that easy with just take all AI has to do is like fu- it's a large language model, right? It almost just searched through Steve McQueen movies and Tom Hardy movies.

• 2:20:36Speaker 01

  Write me a movie.

• 2:20:37Joe Rogan?

  Guy Ritchie movies. Put it together. Make me a movie.

• 2:20:39Speaker 01

  No, it bums me out, though. Like, I don't wanna watch that movie.

• 2:20:42Joe Rogan?

  It should.

• 2:20:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:43Joe Rogan?

  What is this?

• 2:20:44Speaker 04

  This is the company, this is the first piece they made and shows a little bit about how they made it here.

• 2:20:47Joe Rogan?

  The woman with red hair.

• 2:20:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:49Speaker 04

  They still are doing.

• 2:20:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so they have actors.

• 2:20:51Speaker 01

  They have real actors.

• 2:20:53Speaker 04

  But then they're replaced.

• 2:20:54Joe Rogan?

  God damn. Like, look, it looks so good.

• 2:20:58Joe Rogan?

  It looks so good. Like, that's not a real person. Isn't that crazy? Well, she does, it's the uncanny valley. It looks a little weird.

• 2:21:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21:05Joe Rogan?

  But getting better all the time. And the only reason why it looks weird is because it's so well-lit. Like, if you wanted to do it like Sin City style, there's no, like, Sin City, if Robert Rodriguez wanted to do Sin City today, the whole thing could be AI.

• 2:21:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:21:20Joe Rogan?

  No one would know.

• 2:21:20Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:21:21Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:21:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21:22Joe Rogan?

  These are all fake people. And dude, just a few years ago, you couldn't do hair. Hair was weird.

• 2:21:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:21:30Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:21:31Speaker 01

  And so were like extremities, right?

• 2:21:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, I mean, just in a short amount of time, it's incredible.

• 2:21:38Speaker 01

  Why is that? That's so interesting. Why are fingers? Like, you know?

• 2:21:43Joe Rogan?

  It's a good question. And well, hair seems like it would take a lot of computing power, right? Because you have, you're, you have.

• 2:21:49Speaker 01

  Strands, single strands moving.

• 2:21:50Speaker 04

  Her hair's not moving. It's pretty static.

• 2:21:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's, no, it isn't. Go back.

• 2:21:54Speaker 04

  No, no, I'm saying.

• 2:21:55Joe Rogan?

  But it is all moving.

• 2:21:56Speaker 04

  Not the way it would.

• 2:21:57Joe Rogan?

  It would if, yeah, you're right. You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah. It's moving, it's like, almost like a little bit of a helmet. Like, that would be a tell. Like, it's a little bit of movement, but not enough. A little bit of bounce, but not, like, it's all spray painted. Like, as if, if their hair was, like, sprayed with a shit ton of hairspray.

• 2:22:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:22:16Joe Rogan?

  It couldn't move at all.

• 2:22:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:22:17Joe Rogan?

  That would kind of make sense. But it's not moving.

• 2:22:19Speaker 01

  So they all need that scene at the beginning of every of their movies, like? This kind of stuff is pretty tough to do too.

• 2:22:26Joe Rogan?

  What is tough?

• 2:22:27Speaker 01

  Getting a good font where you can't, you know, you can't read anything. In a movie, you probably, you wouldn't need it, but when you're looking for AI stuff.

• 2:22:34Joe Rogan?

  Right. Interesting. Yeah, look at that. Like, look at that font. It looks like ancient, like, Sumerian text or something. Like some lost language. Yeah.

• 2:22:45Speaker 01

  Like, that one and the, the fingers and toes thing is like, I just wonder what the explanation is for that? Cause that's a tell in photographs too, right? When you see a photo, you could be like, oh, look, that's got like six fingers.

• 2:22:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, remember that lady, the English lady that was missing? Was it Kate? She was missing forever. She's like supposedly was sick. Kate Middleton. She was sick and then there was a photo that was released of her. Look, she's fine. Everybody's like, no, this is fucking AI. Like, in the photo, like, people had six fingers and shit, like, weird stuff.

• 2:23:15Speaker 01

  That's weird shit.

• 2:23:16Joe Rogan?

  In the photo, there was like weird, clearly edited, yeah.

• 2:23:21Speaker 01

  It's gonna get way spookier.

• 2:23:22Joe Rogan?

  Way, way.

• 2:23:24Speaker 01

  Way spookier.

• 2:23:25Joe Rogan?

  We're just touching it right now.

• 2:23:27Speaker 01

  It's just started. This is the infancy.

• 2:23:29Joe Rogan?

  Scratching the surface. Yeah. It's gonna be real weird. Like, actors should really save their money. You're gonna be useless in a short amount of time.

• 2:23:38Speaker 01

  I agree. And also, if you have, uh, any type of, you know, recognition to you now, you gotta like, like, get your image, you know what I mean?

• 2:23:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, like, how are you gonna stop China from just making Mel Gibson movies?

• 2:23:53Speaker 01

  No, you're definitely not.

• 2:23:54Joe Rogan?

  You're not gonna.

• 2:23:54Speaker 01

  They're, they're just gonna be like, I don't care.

• 2:23:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fuck you. We're gonna make a Mel Gibson when he's 35 movie. Fuck off.

• 2:24:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's gonna play here. We don't care.

• 2:24:01Joe Rogan?

  Just fuck off. We're gonna put it online. What are you gonna do?

• 2:24:05Speaker 01

  It's so, so crazy.

• 2:24:06Joe Rogan?

  Run through 30 different shell companies. You're never gonna find who made it.

• 2:24:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:10Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 2:24:11Joe Rogan?

  And it's gonna get to a point where it's gonna be virtual. So it's like, it's gonna be inside people's heads. You're gonna be able to exist inside the movie. It's, things are gonna get so strange and they're gonna be so... Immersive so quickly.

• 2:24:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:26Joe Rogan?

  The the Matrix is a decade away, the real Matrix.

• 2:24:30Speaker 01

  The real question is.

• 2:24:31Joe Rogan?

  Where you're in the Amazon and you are barefoot and you feel the ground under your feet. And you hear the monkeys and the birds and the bugs in the trees. And you hear the the sound of a panther nearby, like that's gonna be real.

• 2:24:45Speaker 01

  It's gonna be real and you're gonna be like, why do I even want to?

• 2:24:48Joe Rogan?

  Go back to real life.

• 2:24:49Speaker 01

  Partake in the real world.

• 2:24:50Joe Rogan?

  Like, uh, what's that guy's name? Joey Pants from fucking the Matrix when he's eating the eating a steak is like, I wanna be important. I wanna be an important person.

• 2:24:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:59Joe Rogan?

  Like, yeah, that's what people wanna do. They'd rather be an important person in the Matrix.

• 2:25:03Speaker 01

  That's so true, man.

• 2:25:04Joe Rogan?

  And we might be in that right now. That's the real mindfuck. The real mindfuck is if they can eventually create a artificial reality that's indiscernible, how do you know whether or not you're already in it? And you don't.

• 2:25:20Speaker 01

  Well, you wouldn't, yeah, if it's.

• 2:25:21Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of evidence that we are.

• 2:25:24Speaker 01

  That we're in it now?

• 2:25:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of evidence that reality as we know it is not real. That it's too weird. Quantum entanglement, quantum particles being in superposition. The fact that at a subatomic level, everything is kinda magic, like nothing makes any sense. Also, that when you observe things, it changes the behavior of subatomic particles. Like, what what's that all about? What does that mean? Like, no one really knows.

• 2:25:57Speaker 01

  So I'm experiencing this in a in an altered reality?

• 2:26:01Joe Rogan?

  I think consciousness might be responsible for for reality. Instead of consciousness is experiencing reality. I think it might be both things. I might be, I think it might be consciousness is experiencing reality as well as consciousness is responsible for reality existing.

• 2:26:20Speaker 01

  How much of a mindfuck would it be if somebody unplugged you right now? And you're like, this whole thing you've been doing?

• 2:26:25Joe Rogan?

  Pretty mindfucky.

• 2:26:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:26:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But I mean, if anybody should believe in it, it's me. Like, I don't, how is it possible that my life was like this?

• 2:26:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 2:26:34Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't make any sense. I'm just like killing it in a video game.

• 2:26:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:26:38Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't make any sense.

• 2:26:39Speaker 01

  Doesn't make sense.

• 2:26:39Joe Rogan?

  No, but but doesn't make sense. This is why, like, for a fighter, like, the loss must be so fucking unbelievably devastating.

• 2:26:46Speaker 01

  It's like the equivalent, right?

• 2:26:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's over. Yeah. You know, like, and you see champions that keep coming back and keep getting knocked out, and you're like, no. Don't do it again. Fuck. You know? Yeah. Just like, they can't believe it's over. You don't wanna see it again. They can't believe it's over, but I was, I was, it, the, I was the winner of the game. Yeah. I won the game, I was winning the game. Not now. Nope, not anymore. Not anymore. Now, now, reality has shifted. And now, on top of it, you've got brain damage. Oh, fuck. Boy. That's worse than the version we get. Oh, it's the worst. Yeah, that's the worst version. Brain damage is the worst, because now, you, the way you interface with reality might be damaged. Sort of like a car with a bad suspension out on the highway with the, the wheels shaking now.

• 2:27:32Joe Rogan?

  Like, the way you interface with the universe itself. Changes completely. Yeah, so you're, you're taking a gamble. The highest amount of glory possible is like, winning fights in front of the whole world. I mean, I would only imagine that, like, becoming a UFC champion, and they, you know, put that belt on your waist, and the whole crowd's like, yeah, and people at home are like, fuck, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Fucking, he did it, holy shit. It's the craziest. Holy, you text your friends, what a fight, holy shit, that the love that person gets, the accomplishment that person gets. Yeah. But, the price is you're risking the way you interface with reality itself. The brain. You're, you're risking the brain, and you might get out of it like Georges St Pierre, you know?

• 2:28:17Joe Rogan?

  Georges St Pierre, fine, handsome, wealthy. Yeah. Perfect, like, intellectually. You're the man, still. Bro, still the man. Yeah. Like, you know, whenever I talk to him, he's like, Joe Rogan, how's things? Everything is great, buddy, so happy. You're like, boy, you fucking really pulled it off. You pulled it off. You really pulled it off. You became a two-division world champion, one of the greatest fighters of all time, and you're fine. Chuck me in one of them bad boys. Yeah, man. I forgot about them rogues, I like those. Yeah. Thank you.

• 2:28:46Speaker 01

  The um.

• 2:28:47Joe Rogan?

  But for most, it's gonna end badly.

• 2:28:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:28:50Joe Rogan?

  For most people.

• 2:28:51Speaker 01

  The crazier part to me is how many of those guys you go, hey, if you could go back, you know, we just change things. And they're like, no, some of them like go, I, I love the glory so much. Like, you see it in fighting, you see it like in the NFL, where some of them are like, no, I'll accept.

• 2:29:07Joe Rogan?

  The identity.

• 2:29:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29:08Joe Rogan?

  The identity is so huge. The identity, like to be a special person. There's not, you don't get to be a special person. Most people don't get to be a special person. And a special fighter is a different kind of special person.

• 2:29:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29:23Joe Rogan?

  It's like, that's a guy who took the craziest of risks. Like, we all know, and you know better than anybody, how vulnerable the human body is.

• 2:29:29Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 2:29:30Joe Rogan?

  Your surgery and your injury.

• 2:29:31Speaker 01

  That sucks.

• 2:29:32Joe Rogan?

  Fucking horrible. So like, imagine if you had a fight, and now like, you were a big time fighter, and you hurt yourself playing basketball with Bert Kreischer.

• 2:29:40Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 2:29:41Joe Rogan?

  And then you gotta build yourself back up to fight again, but you kinda know that your left arm is kinda still fucked a little bit.

• 2:29:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, you never, like, no matter how far you get from it, you, you still have the voice in there.

• 2:29:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:29:53Speaker 01

  More so now, right?

• 2:29:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:29:54Speaker 01

  Cause you're like, I never had that voice before.

• 2:29:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:29:56Speaker 01

  Of like, watch out.

• 2:29:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:58Speaker 01

  Be careful.

• 2:29:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:00Speaker 01

  Don't do that.

• 2:30:01Joe Rogan?

  And I, you know, I've had three knee surgeries, and I'm like, I'm having a problem with this left knee that I really hurt. The last time I hurt it pretty bad was skiing. And the last time I skied, cause I cracked the bone, it's at the top of the tibia. But, and then I probably messed up the cartilage and shit in there too. But it's still better than most people's knees. Like, it's better than a regular knee. Like, like, people are like, how, how bad's your knee? Like, it's not fucked up, like compared to your knees, like a regular person's knees.

• 2:30:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause you.

• 2:30:33Joe Rogan?

  But I'm, need my knee to be able to kick sixty miles an hour into a bag of sand.

• 2:30:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:30:41Joe Rogan?

  Like, I'm requiring different things for my knees than most people. But. I know, it's not the same. Like, and if you're a fighter and you know you got a bum knee, like even, nobody can tell while you're moving around.

• 2:30:53Speaker 01

  But you know.

• 2:30:55Joe Rogan?

  And you know your hand breaks easier now.

• 2:30:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:30:57Joe Rogan?

  And you know your neck hurts. And you know you got a pinched nerve and you know your lower back gives out sometimes and you know. You know your kidneys kind of hurt because you cut weight for too many years.

• 2:31:06Speaker 01

  Sounds like you know you shouldn't be fighting.

• 2:31:08Joe Rogan?

  And you know, and you know your, your memory's not so good anymore. And then also you know you can't take a punch anymore. Like a lot of guys know that they get, they used to be able to take a great punch, but now you can't get hit. So now you're gun shy.

• 2:31:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:19Joe Rogan?

  You know, did you see Devin Haney's fight last weekend?

• 2:31:21Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:31:23Joe Rogan?

  He fought like, you know, Ryan Garcia fucked him up in the last fight.

• 2:31:27Speaker 01

  And that, yeah.

• 2:31:27Joe Rogan?

  Dropped him a bunch of times.

• 2:31:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:28Joe Rogan?

  And this fight, like, it looks like he's done. Like he's moving around, just like, it was just constantly moving.

• 2:31:34Speaker 01

  Who did he fight?

• 2:31:35Joe Rogan?

  Um, I forget the gentleman's name, um, but there were rounds where neither one of them landed a punch.

• 2:31:42Speaker 01

  The whole round?

• 2:31:43Joe Rogan?

  The whole round.

• 2:31:44Speaker 01

  And Garcia, that's the one where he was, he won the fight, but then there was all this bullshit.

• 2:31:48Joe Rogan?

  He tested positive for some sort of performance enhancing metabolite at a very low level, by the way. Like not a level where, um, it would be performance enhancing.

• 2:31:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:59Joe Rogan?

  So I don't know what happened. He says he didn't take anything or.

• 2:32:02Speaker 01

  What ended up happening with the, the decision or the purse or whatever?

• 2:32:06Joe Rogan?

  He got, it became a no contest.

• 2:32:08Speaker 01

  Oh, it became a no contest.

• 2:32:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and I think he's also getting sued because, you know, is Devin Haney claimed that he won because he was on steroids and that's a bad look. And, but you could tell it like mind fucked Devin Haney. And a lot of people like totally are writing off Devin Haney now, which is crazy. Because I remember when he beat, uh, Cambosus, I was like, damn, Devin Haney's slick, he's so good. And now like that guy is just, he was just moving constantly. And still very skilled boxer, but it just shows you like one devastating loss.

• 2:32:41Speaker 01

  Can fuck you up.

• 2:32:42Joe Rogan?

  Defeated fighter can fuck you up.

• 2:32:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:32:44Joe Rogan?

  And some guys, they come back and they're fine, you know, like Garcia, for instance, like Gervonta Davis fucked him up. He came back and he was fine.

• 2:32:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:32:53Joe Rogan?

  But then this weekend, or that weekend, rather, he fought Rolie Romero and Romero dropped him and he lost the decision. So they were gonna like set up a big rematch. Now, nobody wants to see the rematch because they both lost.

• 2:33:02Speaker 01

  They both lost.

• 2:33:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, actually Devin didn't lose. He won a decision, but he lost public credibility because it was a very boring fight. Still incredibly skillful boxer, world champion boxer, like very good boxer. But even the commentary like Antonio Tarver was like, I don't like the way he's moving. His footwork seems erratic, like everything is like he needs to settle down. They, uh, Jose Ramirez.

• 2:33:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:29Joe Rogan?

  But.

• 2:33:29Speaker 01

  So Haney won this fight?

• 2:33:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he won a decision.

• 2:33:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:33:33Joe Rogan?

  But it was the, the fans lost and this was this big event in Times Square. This is also a big event because, um, uh, Turkey Al Ashik, the, the guy from Saudi Arabia, his excellency is the guy who's dumping incredible amounts of money into boxing so that he can get these guys to fight each other. So he's putting, he's like, what do you need for the fight? How much to make this fight happen? Like, I need 10 million dollars, like done. And like, what? Like, fuck, I should ask for 20.

• 2:34:03Joe Rogan?

  It's that kind of a situation because the Saudis have so much money. So Oscar De La Hoya was talking about this. And he was saying, these guys are spoiled and they're afraid to risk anything.

• 2:34:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:34:15Joe Rogan?

  Because the money's so much, which is so interesting. Like you need a guy who's willing to risk it all to really fucking go for it. And these guys aren't willing to do that. And I think the Devin Haney thing, it's one of those things where you see a guy who is an unbelievably skilled fighter, but loses one fight. And they're just not the same again.

• 2:34:33Speaker 01

  Not the same. And Gervante's still.

• 2:34:35Joe Rogan?

  Gervante's still killing it.

• 2:34:36Speaker 01

  Killing it.

• 2:34:37Joe Rogan?

  But he had that fight with Lamont Roach where it was a draw. And there was a legit draw and you know, you could even make the argument that Roach won that fight and they're gonna fight again. That should be very interesting, but I think it's also for boxers, there's a situation where you can only keep up the RPMs for so long. All the greats, they just, there's a certain amount of times that you can keep training, a certain amount of times you can keep competing and like we're talking about like your arm, you know, it's kind of fucked up.

• 2:35:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:05Joe Rogan?

  That happens with them too. Like ankles are bad, something's bad.

• 2:35:09Speaker 01

  Like I can't do the same level of output.

• 2:35:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, something's the same. They're not this, they're not who they used to be. They might look the same, but they can't do what they could do five years ago, six years ago.

• 2:35:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's hard. It's a hard sport, man. And, but it's also because the glory is so high if you're successful.

• 2:35:26Speaker 01

  So great.

• 2:35:27Joe Rogan?

  People are willing to do it. Yeah.

• 2:35:29Speaker 01

  Very crazy though.

• 2:35:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:30Speaker 01

  Thank God, that's not how we make a living.

• 2:35:32Joe Rogan?

  Thank God. Dude, if the UFC was around when I was competing, I 100% would have done it. And then imagine how dumb I would be now at 57 years old. Oh, I'd be a mess.

• 2:35:42Speaker 01

  A lot of staring.

• 2:35:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'd be a lot of like drooling and so, hey, you look good. You losing weight? You losing weight? He goes, what are you doing? He goes, uh, dieting? You know, my brain would be like a four cylinder engine, like, all fucked up, misfiring.

• 2:36:00Speaker 01

  It's good you, you didn't get into that too.

• 2:36:02Joe Rogan?

  It is, but I think I got the right amount of brain damage.

• 2:36:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, you've said it to me before.

• 2:36:06Joe Rogan?

  I think so. I think there's just a certain amount that you get that makes you just a little reckless, a little crazy.

• 2:36:11Speaker 01

  Just a touch.

• 2:36:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just a touch. I just got a, just a touch of brain damage that allows me to be, uh, I like taking, I enjoy risks.

• 2:36:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:20Joe Rogan?

  Like, I like them. They're fun.

• 2:36:21Speaker 01

  Me too. I have a

• 2:36:23Joe Rogan?

  Did you fall on your head?

• 2:36:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I had a couple devastating, yeah.

• 2:36:27Joe Rogan?

  I bet it helped.

• 2:36:29Speaker 01

  Couple of bad ones.

• 2:36:30Joe Rogan?

  I bet it helped.

• 2:36:30Speaker 01

  I think I have some frontal lobe damage and, um, yeah.

• 2:36:33Joe Rogan?

  I think it, I think it has something to do with it.

• 2:36:35Speaker 01

  I do. I like, um, calculated risks.

• 2:36:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:38Speaker 01

  I mean, I think if you take this career path, you enjoy risk.

• 2:36:42Joe Rogan?

  Clearly.

• 2:36:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But also you don't have any choices.

• 2:36:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:45Joe Rogan?

  Like my, my thought was when I was first starting, I was like, I can't work. I can't do it, but I know I can do things, but I can't show up and do a job all day for the rest of my life. I don't have that in me. I'm allergic to it. I didn't like, I was a latchkey kid. So like, I didn't get a lot of like, you gotta do this, you gotta do that. So the problem is like, I developed not having people tell me what to do. So I can't listen.

• 2:37:11Speaker 01

  I think every, every comic has that thing too. Where you're like, I can't have a boss.

• 2:37:15Joe Rogan?

  Also, I was around enough bosses that were just total cunts.

• 2:37:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:20Joe Rogan?

  And douchebags.

• 2:37:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:21Joe Rogan?

  That are just like, in my mind, the boss is an asshole. Always, every time. He's unappreciative, fucking idiot. Who you gotta listen to him because he's responsible for your paycheck and he knows it. So he gets to act like a douchebag and you can't go, hey man, fuck you.

• 2:37:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:37Joe Rogan?

  Who are you talking to? Why do you talk to people like that, you fucking idiot?

• 2:37:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:41Joe Rogan?

  You can't, because he's the boss.

• 2:37:42Speaker 01

  He's the boss, yeah. No, it sets you up for like, I'll figure out a way.

• 2:37:45Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:37:46Speaker 01

  I think if I hadn't done this, I would have, I definitely think I would, I would have started my own business of some kind. You know what I mean? I've been an entrepreneur of some kind.

• 2:37:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you would have had to.

• 2:37:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:55Joe Rogan?

  But that's, you know, how many people don't? Or they get roped in and then they have a bunch of responsibilities, like family.

• 2:38:02Speaker 01

  No, it's a fucking, yeah. I mean, now we're at the age too where you like, you can look back on 25 years of people you know.

• 2:38:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:38:12Speaker 01

  Who are like miserable.

• 2:38:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god. People that are in hell.

• 2:38:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, in hell.

• 2:38:16Joe Rogan?

  In hell.

• 2:38:17Speaker 01

  Meanwhile, we're fucking.

• 2:38:19Joe Rogan?

  Killing it.

• 2:38:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:38:20Joe Rogan?

  You know what's really crazy?

• 2:38:21Speaker 01

  Doing fun things, yeah.

• 2:38:22Joe Rogan?

  Is when people get out of stand-up and then they see everybody doing real well and they want to jump back in. And it's been like, I've gotten some messages from some friends that I know they haven't been in stand-up in a decade. And I'm like, you can't just.

• 2:38:36Speaker 01

  You can't just jump back in, no.

• 2:38:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, if you do, like, you gotta like, start from the beginning.

• 2:38:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:38:42Joe Rogan?

  Start doing open mic nights again. Like, you've been in the writer's room just doing writing for a sitcom for fucking eight years.

• 2:38:49Speaker 01

  You lose your footing so much in that time. It's a different, it's a diff- like, sometimes I've had, you know, a week off, two weeks off, even a month or something off. Where you're like, oh, like you're, you have sea legs. Like, you're just like, whoa, I can't imagine 10 years.

• 2:39:03Joe Rogan?

  Dude, it happened to a lot of writers when they got in the strike. You know, when the strike was going on, like, how long did that strike go on for?

• 2:39:11Speaker 01

  God, it was months.

• 2:39:13Joe Rogan?

  Long ass time. And these guys have mortgages and the kids are in private school and their wife likes to spend money.

• 2:39:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39:20Joe Rogan?

  And they're used to making, you know, half a million a year. You know, doing real good. And then all of a sudden, it all dries up and like, oh, fuck. And then their their savings account and the wife's like, what are you gonna do? Like, fuck, I think I'm gonna start doing stand up again. Like, and they start trying to put together an act and they wanna show up and then the club doesn't know who they are anymore.

• 2:39:38Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 2:39:42Speaker 01

  Scary. It's a scary feeling.

• 2:39:44Joe Rogan?

  It's the worst. But it's like, there's decisions that you make in life. Like, what are you going to do? Like, what are you going to do with your life? Those are personal decisions. Which is why they're like, this whole free will versus determinism thing drives me crazy. Because these people that wanna believe there is no such thing as free will. Like, yeah, you can do that cute little thing, but you know that free will's real because you know that you decide to get up in the morning.

• 2:40:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:40:11Joe Rogan?

  Like, you telling me Jelly Roll didn't have free will to lose that two hundred pounds?

• 2:40:16Speaker 01

  No shit. Yeah.

• 2:40:18Joe Rogan?

  Perfect example.

• 2:40:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:40:19Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's hard to do.

• 2:40:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:40:21Joe Rogan?

  You're four hundred plus pounds, you're fat as fuck, you're drinking and partying every night, and then one day you put your foot down.

• 2:40:28Speaker 01

  Not doing the shit, yeah.

• 2:40:29Joe Rogan?

  That's enough. I'm getting, I'm gonna get healthy. That's free will. Like, what you're telling me determinism, like, forced him into a position at thirty nine years old where he's all of a sudden gonna decide to lose all this weight and has nothing to do with his free will? That's silly.

• 2:40:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:40:45Joe Rogan?

  Will's a real thing.

• 2:40:46Speaker 01

  Course, and we all have it and you can just deny it, but it's why, I don't know, anything that you get, you accomplish that's work is through through free will. It's through making choices, man.

• 2:40:58Joe Rogan?

  But then there is also a certain amount of determinism. If you grow up in a terribly abusive household and you're around drug addicts and violence and then you go and commit that. It's almost like you had no other examples. You're you're.

• 2:41:17Speaker 01

  It's true. It's, I get that, but you still make a choice.

• 2:41:19Joe Rogan?

  You do, but you don't even know what a good choice is, cause you've never even seen a good choice.

• 2:41:23Speaker 01

  That's, that's, that's a valuable analysis that like, you had horrible modeling. So you just, you're just following a path you you think is the only path, right?

• 2:41:34Joe Rogan?

  And some of those guys get involved in athletics, right? Some of those guys get lucky and they become a fighter, or maybe they they get lucky and they become a musician. Or maybe they get lucky and they become something else, or a comic.

• 2:41:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:41:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's just the choices that you make in this life are that you don't know if it's the right choice. While you're doing it, while you're making that choice.

• 2:41:54Speaker 01

  Well, I'm about to find out whether making this TV show was the right choice.

• 2:41:57Joe Rogan?

  That's the right choice.

• 2:41:58Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:41:58Joe Rogan?

  I'll find out. Do you have to piss? It seems like you're wiggling.

• 2:42:00Speaker 01

  I gotta piss, yeah.

• 2:42:01Joe Rogan?

  I do it. I do it. Should we wrap it up?

• 2:42:03Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:42:03Joe Rogan?

  Listen, that, what you showed me is amazing.

• 2:42:06Speaker 01

  Thanks, man.

• 2:42:06Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure it's gonna be fucking bad thoughts. When is it out?

• 2:42:09Speaker 01

  It's, uh, Tuesday, so the, tomorrow.

• 2:42:12Joe Rogan?

  Tomorrow.

• 2:42:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:13Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, yeah. Uh, it's, the, the stuff that I saw is amazing. It's fucking hilarious.

• 2:42:18Speaker 01

  Thanks a lot, bro.

• 2:42:18Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad you're doing stuff, man. I'm just glad you're out there.

• 2:42:21Speaker 01

  Um, I'm-

• 2:42:22Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking beautiful to see.

• 2:42:23Speaker 01

  I'm very excited for it, I'll tell you. It really, it, I know it's an overused term, but it, it really was a dream come true to do it.

• 2:42:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, you could tell. You could tell by how well it came out. It's, it's so ridiculous. It's so you. It's such a signature Tom Segura type of humor.

• 2:42:37Speaker 01

  Thanks, man.

• 2:42:38Joe Rogan?

  It's awesome.

• 2:42:39Speaker 01

  I'm excited for it. Thanks for having me on, man.

• 2:42:40Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure, my brother. Anytime.

• 2:42:42Speaker 01

  Always good. Always good to see you.

• 2:42:42Joe Rogan?

  Love you to death.

• 2:42:43Speaker 01

  Love you too, man.

• 2:42:43Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody. Hm.

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