#2317 - Cody Tucker

Cody Tucker is a content creator, host of "The Cody Tucker Show" podcast, and now the author of a brand new book, "And Now You Know: Mind-Blowing Stories from History and Pop Culture." www. Thecodytucker.comhttps://a.co/d/2OPURg1 Go to ExpressVPN.com/ROGAN to get 4 months free! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  What are the odds that I contact you on Instagram and the fucking day you're here is the day your book comes out?

• 0:20Speaker 02

  It's pretty unlikely.

• 0:22Joe Rogan?

  Kind of crazy.

• 0:23Speaker 02

  Little bit.

• 0:24Joe Rogan?

  Right? You know, it's kind of like the universe smiled upon us. You know what I mean? It's like synchronicity. If you want to believe in the simulation, sometimes I do.

• 0:35Speaker 02

  I'm with you. Sometimes you just see something, you're like, this is a simulation, right? We're not in the real...

• 0:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 0:43Speaker 02

  There's a second and a third and a fourth and so on.

• 0:45Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes just things seem like God is showing you satire. Like, there's just a little fun thrown in there.

• 0:52Speaker 02

  I'm with you.

• 0:53Joe Rogan?

  And a lot of it is on your Instagram page. I have to tell you, dude, I have wasted so much fucking time, so much time, watching your videos going, "What the fuck? Is that real?" And so many things I've learned from it. It's actually, it's very educational, but it's also very fun. Cody Tucker, your book is called And Now You Know.

• 1:15Speaker 02

  And I didn't even know you had a book when I reached out to you. I just said, "This guy's gotta be interesting." Yeah, I mean, that remains to be seen, I think, but we'll find out together.

• 1:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, you are on Instagram. How did you get started doing that type of a page? Because it's very specific.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  I mean, I've always been interested in like, random facts, like, you know,

• 1:36Speaker 02

  origin stories of words, like movies, all these different things, like the dark side of history.

• 1:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:42Speaker 02

  And I like telling people those stories, and they seem to enjoy it whenever I tell them. So I was like, "Well, why don't I just like, make little videos and clip them, you know, clip them up, make them look alright."

• 1:53Joe Rogan?

  What were you doing before you were doing that?

• 1:55Speaker 02

  I mean, I've always had a podcast. No one watches this thing. So, it's alright.

• 1:59Joe Rogan?

  We'll bump that bitch up now.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, might change now, but um, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't necessarily recommend watching the podcast, but it is, it exists.

• 2:07Joe Rogan?

  Ah, that's hilarious.

• 2:09Speaker 02

  But uh, yeah.

• 2:10Joe Rogan?

  That is, by the way, so much better than, please watch my podcast, like and subscribe. Whenever a video gets interrupted by like and subscribe, the last thing I want to do is like and subscribe. Like, come on.

• 2:20Speaker 02

  I s- I mean, I'd rather you just, if you watch it and like it, well, thank you. If you don't, get it, you get in line.

• 2:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's how podcasts get good.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's what I started out doing with this. I never advertised this thing once.

• 2:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35Joe Rogan?

  This, this thing got where it is a hundred percent word of mouth.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 2:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I started watching pretty early and it was, but it still had like a pretty decent following then, but I know that like you started like.

• 2:49Joe Rogan?

  We started in two thousand nine.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. So this would have been like year, a couple of years after that even.

• 2:54Joe Rogan?

  But when I started, you know, me and my friend Brian, when we started, we weren't even thinking it was a podcast. We, we had already done these things where we'd stream live from the green room at comedy clubs. Back when it was on Justin TV, which became what, Jamie? Twitch. So we would just be, you know, like Joey would be talking shit in the green room and we'd be having fun and, you know, we'd just film it, just for fun.

• 3:16Speaker 02

  Gotcha.

• 3:17Joe Rogan?

  And then um, I had a few friends that started doing internet shows. Tom Green was the big one. Cause Tom Green had it all set up at his house.

• 3:26Speaker 02

  He's incredible.

• 3:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's the best. He's such a sweetheart too. It's like such a, everything you would hope he'd be, that's who he is. Great, great fucking guy.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:34Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, like really forward thinker early on. He was like, I think I could just do this from my house. Why don't I just do, but it was too early. Like this is two thousand seven and the internet sucked. It wasn't ready yet, you know, no one had smartphones yet. It was like, but he was patient zero, I think.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  Gotcha.

• 3:53Joe Rogan?

  Him and then there was this uh, Opie and Anthony show that I used to do.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  Oh, they were amazing.

• 3:58Joe Rogan?

  They were amazing. And, but Anthony Kumia started doing this thing live from the compound in his basement. Where he would do karaoke with a green screen, holding a machine gun. He was fucking, he's nuts. He's out of his mind. And he had like beers on tap, so they'd be getting hammered and he's playing video games. He's a maniac.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:15Joe Rogan?

  And, and I was like, that looks like so much fun. I was like, he just has a studio that he set up in his basement.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:22Joe Rogan?

  And so we just started fucking around with the most bare of equipment. It was a fucking laptop webcam. And we had like a USB mic.

• 4:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:33Joe Rogan?

  With one of them blue mics, the big stupid silver ones. We had one of those.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  It's like thirty bucks at Walmart. Yeah, yeah.

• 4:39Joe Rogan?

  That's how we started. And then, you know, we just kept doing it. But telling people not to go to your podcast is classic. That's very fun.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's, yeah, that's usually my thing. Cause if, there are people that do watch it and I think they like it and I like those people. I'm glad those people are around, but it's not, it's not something that should ever become popular.

• 5:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, there's two schools of thought today with the youngins like yourself. It's like, just get famous at any cost. Get on TikTok, share your dick on OnlyFans, whatever you have to do. Or not, right? Or fuck that. And you're in the fuck that category.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I could care less about being, having anyone know who the fuck I am. Which granted, here I, yeah, here I am.

• 5:24Joe Rogan?

  I know, it's nuts. But that's also why you're here, right?

• 5:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

• 5:29Joe Rogan?

  It's also why your book came out today. It's like, there's a synchronicity going on.

• 5:33Speaker 02

  Something. There's something where like, things are crossing over the, I didn't.

• 5:38Joe Rogan?

  So you just, you did your podcast and in those stories that you would tell on the podcast, where you would drop some crazy information. Then you decided to start clipping them up.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Exactly. So I would end it with just like, oh, here's some like half-assed history, which is what I called like the segment. And then, uh, I was like, oh, here's like a half-assed, half-assed history segment. And just ramble about some bullshit from like Napoleon or something.

• 6:00Joe Rogan?

  I binged them today. And, uh, what, cause you know, I was getting ready for you to come in. It was fun. No, it was fun. It was fun. You really freaked me out with the whole outlaw Josie Wales thing. Like, I loved that movie. And now I'm like, oh no.

• 6:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can't watch it anymore.

• 6:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh no.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  The guy who wrote the book that turned into the, I mean.

• 6:17Joe Rogan?

  Tell the story, cause it's so crazy.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  So, yeah, there was a fellow named Asa Carter. So Asa Carter is this massive white supremacist. Like, he was in the KKK. And then left the KKK, cause they weren't racist enough. They, he was like, y'all don't hate black people way more. Like, y'all should be hating these people way more than you should. So he made his own version, like a splinter group of the KKK. And, uh, I mean, he was part of like. He would show up to like Nat King Cole concerts, try to drag him off the stage, you know?

• 6:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 6:49Speaker 02

  And um, he became a speechwriter for George Wallace, not the comic, but you know, the governor of Alabama, George Wallace, who was, you know, the segregation now, segregation forever.

• 7:01Joe Rogan?

  As you said, a massive piece of shit.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  Massive.

• 7:04Joe Rogan?

  In the video.

• 7:04Speaker 02

  Horrible human being. I mean, yeah, just an all around.

• 7:09Joe Rogan?

  So he's a speechwriter for that guy?

• 7:10Speaker 02

  He helped write that speech, the uh, segregation now, segregation forever. He was a co-writer of that speech. Then, things kind of fell apart from him. George Wallace is like, you're too racist for me, buddy. Like, like, I just don't want him to go to school with my kids. Like, I don't want them to not exist.

• 7:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  And uh, yeah, so he uh, moved to Florida, changed his name, kind of, I think to Forrest Carter? I think is the way he changed his name to, and started writing books. One of them was the rebel outlaw Josie Wales, which you know, Clint Eastwood turned into.

• 7:41Joe Rogan?

  God.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  Outlaw Josie Wales.

• 7:43Joe Rogan?

  I guess back then there was no Google, so you, a guy could do something like that? You would never know.

• 7:49Speaker 02

  How would you know?

• 7:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's how Stephen King had Richard Bachman, remember?

• 7:52Speaker 02

  Exactly, they wrote um, Running Man.

• 7:55Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 7:55Speaker 02

  They wrote Running Man as Richard Bach, and other things too, but, yeah.

• 7:59Joe Rogan?

  What is it? What is it, The Dark Half? Is it the other one that I really liked?

• 8:02Speaker 02

  Is that Richard, is that?

• 8:03Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if that was a, I think that was a Bachman.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  Was it Talisman?

• 8:06Joe Rogan?

  He had a bunch of them that were great. That guy was so, cocaine worked so well for him.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 8:12Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying? I mean, there's ever a dude, and I know he's clean and sober now, and God bless him, and I feel terrible that the guy got hit by a fucking van, like, the whole deal. It's crazy.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that?

• 8:22Joe Rogan?

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• 10:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, another pseudonym.

• 11:00Speaker 02

  Oh, he had a different.

• 11:00Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 11:01Speaker 02

  I didn't know that.

• 11:02Joe Rogan?

  That's how prolific that guy was.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  I had no idea he had another one.

• 11:05Joe Rogan?

  He's so prolific, he has extra pseudonyms.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  He has a pseudonym for a pseudonym.

• 11:08Joe Rogan?

  Bro, there's not a guy who has ever lived who has made more bangers, more just.

• 11:15Speaker 04

  Follows Thad Beaumont, a writer who achieves fame. So that's about, that's the pseudonym of the guy in the book.

• 11:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  So now, cause if you look on the poster, it says Stephen King's name on the.

• 11:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think that's just the Google, the AI getting.

• 11:26Joe Rogan?

  Bro, but I think that's the actual, uh, that's, is that the trailer for the film or the poster for the film?

• 11:32Speaker 04

  A writer who achieves. George Romero made the movie.

• 11:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, is that what that image is though, or is that the image from the book?

• 11:38Speaker 04

  Timothy Hutton plays George Stark, so.

• 11:40Joe Rogan?

  No, no, I know that, but is that image, is that from the book?

• 11:43Speaker 04

  That's the poster.

• 11:44Joe Rogan?

  For the movie?

• 11:45Speaker 02

  That's the movie, it's George J. Romero.

• 11:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, see, that's why it says Stephen King is cause they're selling it.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, you'd have to find a picture of the book and see if like the book says, um.

• 11:54Joe Rogan?

  But bottom line is.

• 11:56Speaker 02

  They all say Stephen King.

• 11:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, why would you change it now? It's like, see even the, see if the one that he wrote is Bachman for sure. Like, what did he write as Bachman for sure?

• 12:05Speaker 02

  Well, Running Man was for sure Richard Bachman.

• 12:07Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  I, well, I think.

• 12:08Joe Rogan?

  See if Running Man says Stephen King.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  And I think Talisman, I think that was one that also.

• 12:14Joe Rogan?

  He had a fake picture and everything?

• 12:15Speaker 02

  That's amazing.

• 12:16Joe Rogan?

  That's so wild.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  I wonder who that guy is.

• 12:19Joe Rogan?

  Actually, that looks. Richard Manuel, a builder and friend of Stephen King's literary agent.

• 12:24Speaker 02

  That's incredible.

• 12:24Joe Rogan?

  He's just a regular guy.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  Just a guy.

• 12:26Joe Rogan?

  Just some dude, and Stephen King's like, hey, bro. I'm gonna make you famous. That's kind of crazy. Oh, he wrote thinner too.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  When he inspired by Bachman, Turner, Overdrive?

• 12:38Speaker 04

  About that.

• 12:38Speaker 02

  Which is amazing.

• 12:39Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  BTO, one of the greatest bands of all time.

• 12:42Joe Rogan?

  So he did write The Dark Half. The surname Stark was later used in a king, oh no.

• 12:47Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 12:48Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 12:49Speaker 02

  Hold on.

• 12:50Joe Rogan?

  Is he a Richard Stark? Richard Stark is another one?

• 12:54Speaker 02

  No.

• 12:55Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  Richard is a tribute. Richard is a tribute to author.

• 12:58Joe Rogan?

  Got it.

• 12:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, so.

• 12:59Joe Rogan?

  Did he write it as Bachman? He did.

• 13:01Speaker 02

  There should be like a bibliography, I wonder.

• 13:05Joe Rogan?

  At the last moment, he changes to Richard Bachman.

• 13:07Speaker 02

  But thinner was.

• 13:08Speaker 04

  Gus Pillsbury was a different one he was gonna use.

• 13:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god, that's hilarious. At the last moment, he changed it to Bachman. So Bachman was the Dark Half.

• 13:16Speaker 02

  If I was a porn star, my name would be Gus Pillsbury.

• 13:18Joe Rogan?

  Or was it the Dark Half? It says thinner. Well, they're bringing up the Dark Half, so it has to be there. Stark was later used as surname Stark. I don't know. Either way, this Stephen King. Let's forget about it.

• 13:28Speaker 02

  But I think Running Man, I'm pretty sure Running Man is one of them, so.

• 13:31Joe Rogan?

  He wrote so many good books that it's like, I'm giving these people too many books. Let me write some under a fake name while I'm the biggest book selling fiction guy in the world.

• 13:40Speaker 02

  It's insane. Have you ever looked at just like the first five books?

• 13:44Speaker 04

  Maybe that's what, The Dark Half is about, it's like about his using of a student and maybe that's why you're thinking of it.

• 13:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, interesting. Oh, well, that makes sense. That does make sense.

• 13:54Speaker 02

  But see, at the top it said Running Man.

• 13:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, okay, I just.

• 13:58Joe Rogan?

  The Dark Half book is great.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  I've never read that one.

• 14:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, I, it's so funny that King was able to pull this off because how many of his fucking stories about a writer who lives in Maine?

• 14:10Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy. The guy just picks his home state, a writer, picks his profession, and then insanity ensues. You know, like it's all like a writer in Maine.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  Well, and they're all based on just things that are happening to him, like, uh, I can't remember which book it is that's about him, like going through alcohol, DTs. Oh, fuck. It's, um, I can't remember.

• 14:31Joe Rogan?

  But let's put it off the bookography. His bookography, whatever you would call it.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  Bibliography?

• 14:36Joe Rogan?

  Bibliography, bookography. If you look at his bibliography, it's insane.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  Cause it's Carrie's. Carrie's number one, and then it's like Carrie, Salem's Lot, The Shining. A couple other it like and then Christine, which.

• 14:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I didn't enjoy the dark half movie. It's like, well, I hate that cliche of the book's better. Because it's never better because you could see the movie, but they never nail it. It's just too hard.

• 15:00Speaker 02

  Well, The Shining kinda does because it's being done by Stanley Kubrick.

• 15:04Joe Rogan?

  Right, but he hated it.

• 15:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, he hated it because.

• 15:06Joe Rogan?

  Which is so nuts. Well, he said that he thought Nicholson turned crazy right away. And he wanted it to be a very gradual thing.

• 15:13Speaker 02

  You know who he wanted?

• 15:15Joe Rogan?

  Who?

• 15:15Speaker 02

  Robin Williams.

• 15:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, he would have nailed it.

• 15:17Speaker 02

  Uh, Robin Williams or Harrison Ford.

• 15:19Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you ever seen Robin Williams in that Twenty Four Hour Photo movie where he plays a psycho? Oh, that's it.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  That's it, dude. That movie is so good.

• 15:28Joe Rogan?

  It's insane. He's so good in it.

• 15:30Speaker 02

  He might be one of the greatest actors of all time, like.

• 15:32Joe Rogan?

  Crazy how good he is in that movie because you just really believe he's a psycho.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz he's so lovable at first, but there's all these little signs that like, keep this guy away from your kids.

• 15:43Joe Rogan?

  There's layers. There's layers to that story.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a, that's such a great movie.

• 15:49Joe Rogan?

  He was a bummer when he died, man. That one bummed me out.

• 15:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've only cried a couple of times when like a famous person died. Uh, that's one of them. I like broke down Heath Ledger and Steve Irwin were the others.

• 16:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was a bummer.

• 16:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, Steve Irwin especially.

• 16:03Joe Rogan?

  Chadwick Boseman from, um, Black Panther and what else is he in?

• 16:09Speaker 02

  He's in Forty Two by Jackie Robinson.

• 16:12Joe Rogan?

  The, the heartbreaking one, there's an interview with him where he's talking to that woman and he says, I'm already dead. And she doesn't know what he's saying cuz he didn't tell anybody. The dude went through the mill. He was filming the movie while he was battling cancer.

• 16:25Speaker 02

  While everyone was making fun of him for looking skinny and creepy looking. It's like.

• 16:31Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:32Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  Which it is kinda like.

• 16:35Joe Rogan?

  Gangster way to go.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  It is.

• 16:37Joe Rogan?

  So did Norm MacDonald. He did the same thing. Norm MacDonald didn't tell anybody that he had cancer. Just went up to Canada and died. He's battling it for years.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:47Joe Rogan?

  He told no one.

• 16:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. You could kind of, it's one of those things that you can tell when you look back. Like when you look back and watch like, episodes of like his show, you know, Norm's show and you're like,

• 16:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:56Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 16:57Joe Rogan?

  I know, you see the puffiness and the drowned eyes, his eyes looks very tired.

• 17:03Speaker 02

  That, that to me, that's the funniest human being of all time.

• 17:05Joe Rogan?

  He's one of the all time greats.

• 17:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:07Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 17:08Speaker 02

  So I'm sure you met him quite a bit, I would imagine.

• 17:09Joe Rogan?

  I accidentally sat next to him twice on airplanes. Totally accidentally.

• 17:15Speaker 02

  What a person.

• 17:16Joe Rogan?

  And we were already friends.

• 17:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:17Joe Rogan?

  So it was super cool. Like I knew him from the clubs and I knew him from being around and, and my good friend Adam was a good friend of his. He used to do that show that they did together.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  Adam Eget?

• 17:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:27Joe Rogan?

  Adam Eget.

• 17:28Speaker 02

  Okay. Yeah, yeah.

• 17:29Joe Rogan?

  Who's the talent coordinator at the mothership.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 17:32Joe Rogan?

  So I'd known Norm forever and then one time I was flying back from somewhere and I sit down and then Norm plops right next to me like, dude, like what are the odds? And then we're having the most fun. It was the most fun.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 17:45Joe Rogan?

  The second time was even crazier because Norm sits down next to me and we're having a great time.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:50Joe Rogan?

  Just laughing and he's so fun. We're talking all kinds of crazy shit and he tells me, yeah, I quit smoking and fucking hard to do, man, but I quit. I feel so much better. I'm so glad I did and it's so bad for you. I go, yeah, good for you, dude. Uh, fuck those cigarettes, right? So we land and he walks straight into the, the store and buys a pack of cigarettes and is literally lighting it before he gets out the door. And I go, what are you doing? I thought you quit. And he goes, yeah, but all that talking about cigarettes made me want one.

• 18:26Speaker 02

  I mean, he did quit for a, a little bit and then when he landed, you know.

• 18:31Joe Rogan?

  I know a lot of people who've quit and a lot of people, I mean, they keep pointing to like, it's like everyone's playing Russian roulette with fucking lung cancer. It's so crazy. You're playing right, like, ah, 80% of people don't even get cancer, bro.

• 18:46Speaker 02

  Which I'll take those off. I mean, look, I'll tell you, smoking just looks so cool.

• 18:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:52Speaker 02

  Smoking cigarettes like, God, I smoke cigarettes, which I need to not do that, but God.

• 18:58Joe Rogan?

  It does.

• 18:59Speaker 02

  Feel cool.

• 19:00Joe Rogan?

  It's also, there's an, I don't even give a fuck about my health. I'm out here thinking.

• 19:05Speaker 02

  Well, I don't have to be smoking a cigarette for people to.

• 19:07Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  Nobody's looking at me like, Jesus.

• 19:11Joe Rogan?

  But that's like accelerating your demise, like purposely accelerating your demise for. Um, a, a head rush, which is, I, I had to do this thing once, um, but, um, buddy of mine had this sketch show. And they had this, uh, sketch that they were, they were putting together this idea and he asked me to be like this troubled poet guy. And I said, okay, what do you, what do you think I should do? He goes, I really think you should be like smoking cigarettes. He should be like this guy just smoking cigarettes and talk and I'm like, okay, okay, okay.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  That's right, yeah.

• 19:43Joe Rogan?

  So I never smoked before and that day I probably smoked like fifteen cigarettes. I have like fucking dog shit.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  Oh my God.

• 19:51Joe Rogan?

  My hands were shaking and, uh, my friend Adam Ferrara, who's a comedian who was doing this with me, he smoked and he gave me some, his cigarettes. And everything, how do you do this? How are you doing this to yourself every day? This is so crazy.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  In what time span do you think the fifteen cigs?

• 20:07Joe Rogan?

  Uh, I guess we were doing it all throughout the day. So it was probably four or five hours.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  It's quite a bit. I mean, even for like a, cause I don't, I don't smoke like, I'm not like a pack a day or something like that.

• 20:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's good.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  Probably a pack every three days. So.

• 20:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's not too bad, but it's still terrible.

• 20:23Speaker 02

  It's still not good. I mean, I, I tried to justify it in my head. I'm like, God, yeah, but I don't, I'm not sitting out there.

• 20:28Joe Rogan?

  I really do enjoy one right before I go on stage. I really do. It's a, it's a nicotine thing. Yeah.

• 20:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:34Joe Rogan?

  It's like you can get nicotine from a, but, but it's the delivery methods that's, that's different. Like there's, there's something about smoking it and cigars is similar too. Smoking the nicotine, it, it, it's a very different thing than like nicotine pouches and stuff like, I've never done the gum. But there's a benefit to nicotine. It's just a delivery method that's what's terrible for you.

• 20:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't think nicotine's ever really been proven to just be horrible for you.

• 21:01Joe Rogan?

  It actually is neuroprotective, which like, I love saying those words because I don't really know what the fuck I'm saying, but it sounds like you're smart. Um, you know, um, Jillian Michaels was in here the other day and she was talking about it. And she chews gum and you know, it's neuro... People are, "Oh, you trying to quit smoking?" She's like, "No, it's actually good for you." But most people aren't aware of that. They just think of cigarette smoking equals cancer, equals nicotine, equals you're doing something bad.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  Well, because the nicotine obviously gets you partly addicted and then makes you smoke more cigarettes, which is horrible.

• 21:33Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  They do, there is like almost, there's kind of like some blame you could put towards nicotine. In that sense.

• 21:40Joe Rogan?

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• 22:23Joe Rogan?

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• 23:07Speaker 02

  Well, right. That's the, the issue is that if they would take all that out, they wouldn't, I mean, obviously so bad you shouldn't be breathing smoke.

• 23:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like that's natural spirits, right? Those are the ones, or American spirits.

• 23:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:18Joe Rogan?

  Um, but did you ever see that Russell Crowe movie, The Insider, where he plays the scientist?

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Jeffrey Wiegand.

• 23:24Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. Is that who the character was that he was playing?

• 23:27Speaker 02

  That's who he's playing is Jeffrey Wiegand, yeah. That's a cool.

• 23:31Joe Rogan?

  That is so crazy that he did that.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, that makes you so mad when you watch it, you're like, you knew, yeah.

• 23:36Joe Rogan?

  And like, uh. Knew and you tricked people by making it more addictive, like with chemicals.

• 23:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, look how much.

• 23:43Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  Look how much sugar's in food.

• 23:46Joe Rogan?

  But here's my, my, why is it okay to do that with cigarettes, but they would never be okay to do that with cheeseburgers? If we found out that McDonald's was putting fentanyl in the cheeseburgers and made you come back and eat more cheeseburgers there, we'd be like, no fucking way. That's crazy. You're making them more addictive? That's crazy. You can't do that.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  The sugar that's in it, it does the same thing, doesn't it? I mean, kind of.

• 24:06Joe Rogan?

  Sort of. Um, yeah, I would say it does, but it doesn't, it's not killing you. Well, it kinda is.

• 24:14Speaker 02

  I don't know, you don't, you don't do it too great.

• 24:17Joe Rogan?

  It kinda can. It's like very low dose poison. You know, essentially like if you have a very good diet and you occasionally have a quarter pounder, you're gonna live.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:26Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:27Joe Rogan?

  It's a low dose poison. Your body can filter out most of that stuff. The, the real problem seems to be when it becomes the primary focus of what you eat. Could you just getting a bunch of inflammation causing bullshit that your body doesn't know how to get rid of? Your body's like, what is this you're feeding me?

• 24:46Speaker 02

  My god, it feels so good.

• 24:47Joe Rogan?

  So good.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  Jesus. I mean, in the moment, it is, oh, that's heaven on earth.

• 24:54Joe Rogan?

  I had a quarter pounder once a couple of years ago and I haven't had one. If I do go to McDonald's, I always eat Filet O' Fishes. I love those fucking things. They're so good.

• 25:03Speaker 02

  That's weird, man.

• 25:05Joe Rogan?

  No, cause I can't lie to myself and pretend that's a cheeseburger, you know, like.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  You can lie and say that that's fish?

• 25:12Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  That ain't fish.

• 25:14Joe Rogan?

  It's a thing. It's whatever it is. It's a sweet bun and a delicious salty fish-like thing in the center with that tartar sauce. It's just yummy. I'm not trying to trick myself.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  You don't have to justify it to me. I mean, I, you know.

• 25:26Joe Rogan?

  I don't particularly like the taste of like, uh, those kind of burgers. I like like a good smash burger or like an In-N-Out burger.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  I'm with you. In-N-Out.

• 25:35Joe Rogan?

  Five Guys.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  In-N-Out, top, top of the line to me. For like fast food.

• 25:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't go wrong, man.

• 25:41Speaker 02

  It's the Chick-fil-A of burgers.

• 25:42Joe Rogan?

  Can't go wrong. Like In-N-Out burgers are, if you don't like them, I don't like you. How about that?

• 25:46Speaker 02

  Do you like Whataburger?

• 25:48Joe Rogan?

  Uh, it's okay.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  It's horrible.

• 25:50Joe Rogan?

  It's not. People wanna compare it to In-N-Out. Like Texas people get crazy. Like you're getting crazy. This is how we had a civil war. Like you gotta look at, look at things realistically.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  Now, in that war, I'm taking the Whataburger people over the In-N-Out people.

• 26:03Joe Rogan?

  100%. The In-N-Out people are not armed.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  No, those Whataburger bubbas are, they're coming to.

• 26:09Joe Rogan?

  I mean, they started In-N-Out in the wrong state for guns.

• 26:11Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:14Joe Rogan?

  That's the state that's telling people that if someone breaks into your house, you, you should flee. You shouldn't, uh, tell them to get out and shoot them.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  Get out of your own house. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's his now.

• 26:23Joe Rogan?

  You should gather up your child and run up the hill behind your house and flee and hope they don't shoot you in the back.

• 26:28Speaker 02

  Well, that's, that's a good idea. Why not?

• 26:31Joe Rogan?

  It's like, you can't, it's like that piece of shit speechwriter, like.

• 26:35Speaker 02

  Ace Carter?

• 26:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You, there's gonna be nutty on both sides.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:41Joe Rogan?

  There's gonna be nutty on the left and nutty on the right. And it's up to us, which is like, most people are just reasonable. Reasonable, in the center, live and let live.

• 26:55Joe Rogan?

  Have you had like an ethic for this country? What are we about? We're supposed to be about freedom, live and let live. But the problem is, the people on the far crazy screaming left and the people on the far crazy screaming right are all fucking losers. And those fucking losers make you be connected with them and all their stupidity and poisons all the ideas that they agree with.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 27:23Joe Rogan?

  On both sides.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  And they're so much louder, so you think there's more of them, when in reality, it's like, what, 5% probably of each side?

• 27:31Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 27:31Speaker 02

  And then the other 90s.

• 27:32Joe Rogan?

  I don't even think it's 5%, they're just the ones that are online all day long. And then on top of that, you get a bunch of people who are paid to do it. So it's like, oh my god, when you see tweets, like people get busted all the time now, these air quotes influencers. They'll tweet something and then you'll see like 30 versions of the same tweet with the same wording.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:55Joe Rogan?

  Like, what is going on?

• 27:57Speaker 02

  That's hilarious.

• 27:58Joe Rogan?

  Like, for now, forever, I'll never listen to you again.

• 28:01Speaker 02

  That's amazing. And there's, yeah.

• 28:03Joe Rogan?

  On both sides.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  That's so funny.

• 28:04Joe Rogan?

  It's not a left-wing thing, it's not a right-wing thing, I see it with fucking everything, it's like, there's like large-scale manipulation going on, that's like really nuts to see.

• 28:15Speaker 02

  I like it.

• 28:16Joe Rogan?

  Did you see about that Reddit dead internet thing?

• 28:18Speaker 02

  Reddit dead, I don't think so.

• 28:20Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, do you know about this? Like, there's, I believe it's, might be a lawsuit. So, this company, um, used a bunch of chatbots. Uh, I believe it was on Reddit, I just sent it to someone, I'll find it if you can't find it. Um, but I think, I forget what the argument was about, but essentially they're getting in trouble for facilitating these fake arguments, like, as an experiment.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 28:45Joe Rogan?

  Which is, if fucking-

• 28:46Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 28:48Joe Rogan?

  For sure, countries are doing that. Reddit threatens to sue researchers who ran a dead internet AI experiment on its site. Deeply wrong on a both moral and, uh, legal level.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  Well, that's not good.

• 29:00Joe Rogan?

  So this is what they did. Change my view is the subreddit. Long been a contentious place for Reddit users to post an opinion and understand other people's perspective. Forum filled with fiery but largely civil debates covering everything from the role, political activism, um, to the dangers of social media and echo chambers. Okay. Lately, though, not every user posting on the forum has been a real human. As 404 Media reported this week, University of Zurich researchers dispatched an army of, boy Zurich, that's not a good place to do it from, guys. You shouldn't be involved.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  No, the Swiss.

• 29:36Joe Rogan?

  Where are you looking at you sketchy?

• 29:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:38Joe Rogan?

  And research dispatched an army of AI chatbots to debate human users on the subreddit in a secret experiment designed to investigate whether the tech could be used to change people's minds. The optics were horrendous with bots claiming to be characters, including a survivor of sexual assault and a black man who opposes the Black Lives Matter movement. Worse yet, the AI models scoured the posted history of users they were replying to in order to be as convincing as possible. Basically, a formalized trial run of the dead internet theory that much of the internet is already AI-generated. You know about that theory?

• 30:15Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 30:16Joe Rogan?

  The AI, um, dead internet theory? So the idea is that, um, AI becomes sentient and completely fakes the internet.

• 30:27Speaker 02

  Fakes the internet?

• 30:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, pull it up, Jamie.

• 30:29Speaker 04

  Well, I don't know if it explained it in that article.

• 30:32Joe Rogan?

  But there was a link in that article under, when it got to dead internet theory. Uh, there was actually a link, it was right there, where is it?

• 30:41Speaker 02

  That's.

• 30:41Joe Rogan?

  Scroll down a little bit.

• 30:43Speaker 04

  It didn't have a link.

• 30:45Joe Rogan?

  The link was actually about a passing the Turing test, which is, it already did.

• 30:49Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 30:50Speaker 04

  Goes back to 2016.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  Oh, did the internet die in 2016?

• 30:53Joe Rogan?

  Does online community think so? There's a lot of kooks, like people with schizophrenia, they get things right.

• 30:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, that is kind of the problem, is they're not always wrong.

• 31:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, eventually they're right. Like Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber? You know, that guy, his whole thing was that technology was gonna overtake the human race.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 31:14Joe Rogan?

  And I think he's right.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, he wasn't necessarily wrong. He was just wrong to be blowing people up.

• 31:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, he was.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  That's the.

• 31:22Joe Rogan?

  Really fucked up. Did you ever see the Netflix? Did you see the Netflix documentary where they go over his life when he was a baby, where they left him in the crib?

• 31:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:31Joe Rogan?

  And he never got touched for like months?

• 31:33Speaker 02

  Which immediately, permanent damage. You're screwed.

• 31:37Joe Rogan?

  You can't fix that.

• 31:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, like how you get those wide eyes, you know, where that's how you tell someone's crazy.

• 31:42Joe Rogan?

  He gets in the Harvard LSD studies, where they humiliate him while he's on acid.

• 31:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, cuz he was part of the MKUltra, like he had the professor that was like recruiting impressionable, but highly intelligent young men and.

• 31:55Joe Rogan?

  How crazy is that program?

• 31:57Speaker 02

  MKUltra's wild. Dude, that's the, that is one of the most interesting, the CIA in general, I mean, just like, this is a rabbit hole of just the craziest things I've ever seen. But like all the Manson stuff, which I'm obsessed with Charles Manson, so all that stuff is.

• 32:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the Manson stuff's crazy. The CIA stuff's not even a rabbit hole. It's like one of them labyrinth that they find in Turkey. That could, like 2,000 people could live underground. You're like, who built this? What the fuck is this? How long has this been going on?

• 32:25Speaker 02

  Like the French catacombs where it's just like people get lost every day and all that.

• 32:29Joe Rogan?

  If you go down the CIA rabbit hole, you'll find a city, like a civilization.

• 32:35Joe Rogan?

  And then you have to think, okay, but also Russia has the same sort of operation going for Russia.

• 32:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 32:43Joe Rogan?

  Right? Every country has them.

• 32:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, everybody has the CIA, KGB, I mean.

• 32:47Joe Rogan?

  So they have to exist. So like, let's all get rid of CIA. And then what? We get taken over completely by Russia and China? It's like, slow down, everybody.

• 32:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:56Joe Rogan?

  Like, there's a nutty AI war going on right in front of your face. You just haven't heard the bombs go off yet.

• 33:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 33:03Joe Rogan?

  It's happening right now.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:05Joe Rogan?

  And if they pulled that off from the University of Zurich. Which is kinda creepy.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  Um, yeah.

• 33:11Joe Rogan?

  That a university would like do that, pretend to be a, you know, a black guy who's against the Black Lives Matter movement. And a woman who survived a sexual assault, you're just making it up?

• 33:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:22Joe Rogan?

  With AI chatbots?

• 33:24Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 33:25Joe Rogan?

  Fucking wild. And just to see how people react, how, what the fuck do you think is gonna happen?

• 33:30Speaker 02

  Or find somebody who actually is one of those people and then see how people react. If that's what you want to do, like, you don't have to pretend to be one. There are lots of people who would probably just volunteer and you could have a whole study, control group, you know, have the whole thing.

• 33:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't have to do it anonymously on the internet under false pretenses. Like, you wouldn't have to do that.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Unless you're just wanting to have fun, I mean, I guess that's their...

• 33:52Joe Rogan?

  But the problem is, anytime you're doing a study with real people, they know they're in a study.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, what's that, there's a law, like, um, where like you can't, there's something about being observed, like, ruins the thing, whatever, like, it's part of like the, I don't know, I suck at science, but I think there's something in that.

• 34:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't even know if that's science, I'm just talking about like humans. Like, if people know they're being

• 34:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:17Joe Rogan?

  watched as a part of a study.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, you behave completely differently.

• 34:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're gonna influence their behavior.

• 34:22Speaker 02

  Well, it's just like if you get asked a question to be part of a survey, you're not answering that thing accurately. Even if it's anonymous.

• 34:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  Just because you know that like your answer's gonna be, make you look maybe a little bit bad, you'll, you'll church up your answer a little. Maybe not outright lie, but if it asks you, how many drinks do you have a week? You're not telling them the exact amount, you're not counting them up, you're going, ah, six to eight, sounds about right.

• 34:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this uncertainty is why I think we're super vulnerable.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:49Joe Rogan?

  Because this uncertainty is, uh, why we're all gonna be very vulnerable, excuse me.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:57Joe Rogan?

  Sorry, uh, we're gonna be really vulnerable to, um, any sort of electronic bridge that they start using, like whether it's a wearable or an implant that lets you legitimately read minds, which I think, I fucking think is in our lifetime.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  God, I hope not.

• 35:18Joe Rogan?

  It's so scary, dude, because we'll give it up to know the truth. People will give it up to know the truth.

• 35:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:24Joe Rogan?

  I mean, think about what you, how much of your data you give just so that you can Google things. Like, think of how much, how much money they make off of your data and giving out your email address and all the fucking spam texts that you get every day, all the chaos. You gave that up.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I blindly give it up.

• 35:42Joe Rogan?

  Internet, just for free Google.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I give it up. I don't give a damn. I just give it all up.

• 35:47Joe Rogan?

  Everybody does, but imagine like what Google would cost. Like, if Google was a pay thing and the only way you could ever know anything about what's going on in the world. You have to search it. Every search engine costs money.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 35:59Joe Rogan?

  It's like, whoa. But instead, you get this free value, but wouldn't you rather not pay? Of course. But what if you paid for it and then they couldn't use any of your data ever? And it was a totally like honest relationship and you're not allowed to curate the information either.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:15Joe Rogan?

  You just have to like put out the information as it exists online.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 36:20Joe Rogan?

  Um, we gave up privacy, we gave up our data and we didn't even think about it. We didn't even know it was a thing that we were giving up. And then we're gonna give up sentience. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna fucking be connected to the hive mind. I really think so.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz it's weird like with the, you know, online like data, privacy. Like, you don't really know what it is that you're giving up. It's not like normal privacy where, like, if somebody asks like, hey, can I take a picture of your driver's license? You'd say, no, what are you talking about? No, you can't.

• 36:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  But they can get the majority of that information through, you know, they can track, you know, get your address, get your, they can find out even more information about you through giving up like your, your privacy, like data privacy.

• 37:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  But we don't like know, we don't have like a list of what they're getting. I mean, I guess you do if you read that whole damn thing, but who's reading that?

• 37:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  Privacy terms and conditions.

• 37:12Joe Rogan?

  Nobody reads that shit. Somebody told me there was something that, we might have to edit this out if it's not true. But somebody told me there's something fucked up about Google's, uh, terms, uh, and

• 37:24Joe Rogan?

  Whatever terms apply, there with the thing that you have to agree to. That it has something in there that you'll agree to mediation.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  To mediation?

• 37:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like in case of some sort of a dispute, a legal dispute, you you've agreed to mediation in the, so you're not gonna sue them.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  So you can't, really? Yeah, like whenever you get hired at a new job, they have those kinds of like clauses. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's so weird.

• 37:50Joe Rogan?

  If it's true.

• 37:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was.

• 37:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, we need to find out if it's true, because somebody was telling, telling it to me and I was like, wait, what?

• 37:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that sounds insane.

• 38:04Joe Rogan?

  Accept as required by applicable law, mediation is voluntary and neither you nor Google are obligated to settle disputes through mediation.

• 38:14Speaker 02

  What the hell does that mean?

• 38:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know the context in which you were told it, because this is like for developers.

• 38:20Joe Rogan?

  I said Uber.

• 38:21Speaker 04

  I think you said Google, I thought.

• 38:22Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no. Oh, I'm sorry.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  No.

• 38:25Joe Rogan?

  Uber.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 38:26Joe Rogan?

  Uber, I'm sorry, I was, I probably mumbled.

• 38:33Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Uber's terms of service include a binding arbitration clause, meaning users agree to resolve disputes through arbitration rather than in court. This arbitration is individual and non-consolidated, meaning you can't join with others in a class action suit. Uber also limits its liability and states that drivers are independent contractors, not employees. If you have a dispute, you could try to resolve it through mediation, but it may ultimately be resolved through arbitration.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  That's, that's wild. Jesus.

• 39:04Joe Rogan?

  That's kind of wild. It's like we have our own rules.

• 39:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:07Joe Rogan?

  Our laws, no, no, no, forget about the laws of the land. No, you agree to a legal contract. That's like very sneaky.

• 39:13Speaker 02

  It's very, yeah, yeah.

• 39:14Joe Rogan?

  Laws, if we have laws to prevent fraud and laws to prevent negligence, we have those for companies. And you're a company, like, no, we're not, we're not even a company.

• 39:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:22Joe Rogan?

  These people, they're independent contractors.

• 39:24Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 39:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you have no liability at all and you make all the money. What a great deal. Who did you pay? Who did you, who did you fucking pay off to get that sweetheart of a deal?

• 39:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, and also, how many people know what arbitration is? Because I'll be honest, I don't know what it is. I was just kind of going with everything.

• 39:40Joe Rogan?

  If you gotta go through arbitration.

• 39:41Speaker 02

  I could not explain to you what arbitration is.

• 39:43Joe Rogan?

  Let's find out.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  Agreed with everything.

• 39:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think what essentially they're saying, that you have to have a conversation with them outside of like a judge and jury ruling. You know what I mean? Like, we have to have some sort of mediation. I think that's what they're saying. I could be wrong.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Well, if that is, yeah, I'm sure that's in your best interest.

• 40:02Joe Rogan?

  That's not, yeah.

• 40:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's wild.

• 40:05Joe Rogan?

  The thing about Uber is if they're just private contractors, then it becomes like, okay, what is your responsibility to screen these private contractors? Cause some of these people might be psychos and, you know, you're a woman and you get in the car with someone who hasn't been vetted and they're a psycho. That's.

• 40:28Joe Rogan?

  Where is it based? On the moon?

• 40:32Speaker 04

  About the laws of the Netherlands.

• 40:33Joe Rogan?

  The Netherlands? Well, that'd be a good move. You gotta start somewhere where the, you know, the Nazis rolled through with fucking tanks.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's either that or Luxembourg, whichever one you want.

• 40:43Joe Rogan?

  Did the Nazis get to Netherlands?

• 40:45Speaker 04

  He keeps talking about Amsterdam, Netherlands.

• 40:47Speaker 02

  Anne Frank.

• 40:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's right.

• 40:49Speaker 04

  Vienna Convention.

• 40:50Joe Rogan?

  That's right.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:52Joe Rogan?

  Vienna Convention on the International Sale of Goods shall not apply.

• 40:58Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Except as was set forth in these terms, these terms shall be exclusively governed and construed in accordance with the laws of the Netherlands, excluding its rules on conflicts of laws. Excluding its rules on conflicts of laws. What does that mean?

• 41:15Speaker 02

  I don't.

• 41:16Joe Rogan?

  That's a weird thing to say.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  This may as well be Portuguese as far as I'm concerned.

• 41:18Joe Rogan?

  In accordance with the laws of the Netherlands, excluding its rules on conflicts of laws.

• 41:24Speaker 04

  I have an idea.

• 41:24Joe Rogan?

  So conflict of laws must be a difference.

• 41:26Speaker 04

  I should copy and paste this into like Grok or ChatGPT.

• 41:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no. We're going down so many rabbit holes.

• 41:31Speaker 04

  Explain this to an American, please.

• 41:33Joe Rogan?

  Kids use Uber so much, man, that like a small percentage comparative to the past of kids are getting their driver's licenses.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  Good.

• 41:45Joe Rogan?

  You're probably right.

• 41:45Speaker 02

  Perfectly fine with that.

• 41:49Joe Rogan?

  God, um, is Grok your favorite to use? What do you like to use most?

• 41:51Speaker 04

  I bounce back and I have to go, I honestly think you have to test them all when you're asking a question you really want the answer to.

• 41:57Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 41:58Speaker 02

  It's very responsible.

• 41:58Speaker 04

  They give you varying responses. I had, I had a chat GPT lie to me yesterday, four times in a row.

• 42:05Joe Rogan?

  Look how quick this is. Let me break this down for.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Isn't it wild?

• 42:08Joe Rogan?

  An American audience in plain language.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  It's insane.

• 42:11Joe Rogan?

  This selection of a contrast explains, see, this is what I'm saying, like, if it's already happened.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:16Joe Rogan?

  If, if AI is already taken over, we've already agreed by the timing of your book, the synchronicity is, is real, and that maybe the simulation is real. And then if, if it's going to be simulated, it's not going to be simulated by a bunch of people. It's going to be simulated by artificial intelligence.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  There'd be way more mistakes if it was people.

• 42:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Dutch law applies. The contract governs the laws of the Netherlands, not US law. This means Dutch legal principles will guide how the contract is interpreted, except for conflicts of laws, rules, which deal with choosing which country's laws apply. Oh, that's what it is. Also, an international treaty called the Vienna Convention, which covers sales of goods, doesn't apply here. So with, essentially they're saying, like, we go by the Netherlands laws. If you have different laws in the United States, go pound sand. Those don't matter. This is in the, this is in the Netherlands, your, your lawsuit's here.

• 43:06Speaker 04

  It also probably depends on what happened. Like, if you, if it's a speed limit thing, you go by the rules of the speed limit. But if it's something about, you know, interpersonal, the driver and the, then it's going into.

• 43:15Joe Rogan?

  Don't you think that if you do business in a particular country, you'd have to follow the laws of that country? Doesn't that just?

• 43:23Speaker 04

  You would think, yeah.

• 43:24Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I'm not even trying to be unreasonable here. Maybe they're better in the Netherlands. Maybe they're more fair. I don't know. It's not even a, like, a value judgment. I don't know. Maybe they are. Maybe they just want the best for their, their customers. So they say, you know what? If they really want to sue the fuck out of us and win, really should do it in the Netherlands. Maybe. Perhaps.

• 43:40Speaker 02

  Isn't that where the Hague? The Hague is in the Netherlands, right?

• 43:43Joe Rogan?

  Is it?

• 43:43Speaker 02

  You know, where the world, like, uh, what do you call it? Crimes against humanity, like war crimes is all in the Hague? Yeah.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  I don't know if that means anything.

• 43:53Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if it means anything either, but I would imagine if you're doing business in China, you're not allowed to say, "Yeah, but US rules only. We only go ever, so if you want to sue us, it's like, you gotta fucking sue us in Alabama."

• 44:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 44:05Joe Rogan?

  They'd be like, "Fuck you. We'll sue you right here. Sit your ass down."

• 44:08Speaker 02

  You're in our place.

• 44:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're doing business in China. You get sued in China, motherfucker.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  You should always, no matter what, wherever you are, you gotta follow those laws.

• 44:18Joe Rogan?

  That would be reasonable. That seems super reasonable.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Seems like it.

• 44:21Joe Rogan?

  It seems like you shouldn't be able to avoid that by like, setting up shop in some fucking dictatorship somewhere. You know, like, you're homies with some guy who's a dictator and you're like, "Bro, you wanna make some money together?"

• 44:35Joe Rogan?

  "We'll incorporate in your country. Let's, let's fucking raise some cash."

• 44:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, um, it's all very weird. It's very weird. It's, but the, the driverless car thing might be even weirder because that's a solution out of it. Like, "Man, I don't trust these Uber drivers. They're sketchy, man." Good. Get in one of those fucking robot cars.

• 44:55Speaker 02

  Waymos.

• 44:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, get in one of those Waymos where you can't even bribe it, okay? The, the government's trying to get you and you're, they're, they have a setup for you. You go, "Bro, change of plans. This is what I want you to do. I'm gonna give you $500. You're gonna drive me to Ohio."

• 45:13Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like, you could do that. Like, if the government's after you and you're in a fucking Uber drive and the guy's cool, you go, "Listen dude, I'm gonna make this worth your while. It's a four hour drive, four hours back."

• 45:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, how do you do that to a Waymo?

• 45:27Joe Rogan?

  You don't. You don't. They get you. They shut the car off. You, they lock the doors. You... And then you're locked into the Uber contract problem. Yeah, Waymo's partnered with Uber. There you go.

• 45:36Speaker 02

  Oh, I know, cuz I just, I was gonna get in one yesterday. I was like, I would, I haven't been Austin in a long time. Like, I used to come down here a lot, like, in high school or whatever, you know, sneak into bars and whatnot. And, uh... I saw these Waymos like, what the hell is this thing? I've never heard of this, didn't know this existed. And I see it like driving around, nobody driving like.

• 45:55Joe Rogan?

  Weird.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  I do not like this at all, but immediately downloaded the Uber and Waymo app. Cause I was like, well, let me just get one to take me up to like Sixth Street or something.

• 46:04Joe Rogan?

  Did you get in?

• 46:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 46:05Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 46:05Speaker 02

  No, I chickened out. I just don't think, cause what if it just doesn't wanna take me there? Like what if something happens where he's like, you know what I would like to do? Take you down thirty-five at about ninety miles an hour in the wrong lane, you know?

• 46:17Joe Rogan?

  What if my front camera goes out? And I can't see what's in front of me and I just start plowing into other cars like?

• 46:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:24Joe Rogan?

  I'm not saying that that's gonna happen or whatever will happen. I'm sure there's a bunch of backup cameras, don't get me wrong, but it just catches me out. Although I do think it's inevitable.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I looked it up. There's only been one fatality involving one and it wasn't even their fault. There was a driverless one where someone rear ended the Waymo like, you know? So I was like, well.

• 46:42Joe Rogan?

  They seem pretty safe, like in terms of like the way they drive too. They drive real slow and steady and they're easy to avoid.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  I could see taking one like if you're just going around like a neighborhood or something, you know? You're just like, you're never going above thirty miles an hour. Getting on like the interstate in one of these things.

• 46:57Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if you could show this to Ted Kaczynski? Get him away from me!

• 47:01Speaker 02

  He's like, I was right.

• 47:03Joe Rogan?

  I was right, they're coming to get us.

• 47:05Speaker 02

  Back to my cabin.

• 47:06Joe Rogan?

  We are, we are allowing them to come to get us. We're paying for them, we're psyched, like whoa, this is cool. I'm guilty of it. I have a Tesla that does, uh, it does auto driving. You go doo doo, you turn this button on and it fucking stops at stop signs, hits its blinkers, goes around stuff. It's crazy.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  Do you use it?

• 47:24Joe Rogan?

  Very rarely.

• 47:25Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 47:25Joe Rogan?

  It weirds me out, but I do sometimes. I mean, I've done it like, I've have it driven me home three or four times. Just like doo doo, just like this is crazy, just cause it's weird, you know? But I'm always, my hands are close, you know, I'm never like looking at my phone or anything like that. That's crazy.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  I would trust that, like if you, you know, just sitting in there and like kinda, you, you could take control if you need, if need be.

• 47:47Joe Rogan?

  But that's the bridge, bro. That's the bridge. That's the bridge to transhumanism.

• 47:53Speaker 02

  I think we all need to stay in ours separately, no bridges.

• 47:56Joe Rogan?

  I agree, but I think we're going. I think we are the last of these kinda people. And then the people from now on will be like personally like physically integrated with some kind of electronics.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't like that one bit. I'm too much of an acoustic top fella. I can't be.

• 48:13Joe Rogan?

  I think there's so much wild genetic stuff going on right now that

• 48:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:18Joe Rogan?

  they're gonna change what it means to be a person within our lifetime. Like, there's some there was a thing in China, see if you could find this, um, you know what a tardigrade is?

• 48:29Speaker 02

  No.

• 48:30Joe Rogan?

  Tardigrades are these really weird little, almost insect-looking things that are unbelievably durable. Oh, these are. They're tiny, microscopic little fuckers.

• 48:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, they call them like something bears or something.

• 48:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What do they call them? What kind of bears? Little water bears. Water bears, yeah. So these little fuckers can survive forever in space, um, for whatever reason. They go into like hibernation in space. Like, and they think there's some of them from the Japanese lunar lander that are actually on the moon. They think tardigrades are on the moon and that they're like in a suspended state of animation. And that if you brought them back to the United States, they'd kick back in and be alive again. That's how crazy these little fuckers are.

• 49:11Speaker 02

  Weird.

• 49:12Joe Rogan?

  So there was this Chinese experiment where they're integrating tardigrade DNA into human DNA.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  That's a good idea. There's nothing that could ever go wrong with doing that. Jesus.

• 49:24Joe Rogan?

  But what happens if someone develops like a bulletproof i- immortal human? That lives, like, literally lives forever unless it gets hit with a meteor? Like, that's not outside of what's possible, man.

• 49:40Speaker 02

  No.

• 49:41Joe Rogan?

  They, they developed, um, or they were developing some kind, see if you could find that first before I make you Google this. But they were trying to develop some sort of bulletproof human skin using spider silk. So they were gonna-

• 49:53Speaker 02

  Makes sense, like Kevlar's spider silk.

• 49:55Joe Rogan?

  But your own skin.

• 49:58Joe Rogan?

  Like with gene splicing.

• 50:01Speaker 02

  I don't like that. The gene splicing thing freaks me out. Splice, like that movie, I don't know if you ever saw that with Adrian.

• 50:05Joe Rogan?

  I did. Ooh, that was crazy.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  Is is a great movie, but like just seeing all the, I'm like, that's what my, what my mind immediately goes to is him banging this thing with its dragon wings.

• 50:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that thing was sick.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:17Joe Rogan?

  It was a kind of a goofy movie.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:20Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't like, like, wow, I would really believe that was happening. No.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  Schindler's List or something.

• 50:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was kind of goofy, but it was fun. And it was, uh, just very strange, you know, that like, cause you go, okay, I could kind of see that happening.

• 50:35Speaker 02

  For sure. Yeah, I think so. I mean, that's kind of what a lot of that is. I just. What was that? CRISPR? You remember that thing was kind of a, that was a talking point.

• 50:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, they have CRISPR two now, which is even more effective, apparently.

• 50:46Speaker 04

  It was made by an artist.

• 50:47Joe Rogan?

  Bulletproof skin is made of goat. No, this isn't it.

• 50:50Speaker 02

  Goat milk.

• 50:51Joe Rogan?

  No, there was, what's that?

• 50:52Speaker 04

  Lab grown skin reinforced spider silk can stop bullets, but when you go to what it actually is.

• 50:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so it's bullshit?

• 50:59Speaker 04

  It's not bullshit, but it's just, you know, it's someone sort of explaining things differently.

• 51:05Joe Rogan?

  I mean. I thought there was, it was a study about human skin.

• 51:12Speaker 04

  That's what I think that they were trying to say.

• 51:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so it's like a bullshit headline in this story? Is that what it is?

• 51:17Speaker 04

  And this back from twenty eighteen is when this went to.

• 51:18Joe Rogan?

  Um, did you find anything in the tardigrade thing?

• 51:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, and it had, uh, they were explaining what it did. So there's, um.

• 51:27Speaker 04

  It showed that there was a clean transfer. New cells function normally.

• 51:31Joe Rogan?

  But also demonstrated increased rate of cell growth.

• 51:34Speaker 04

  They're trying to make them, uh, immune to, um, radiation is what the idea was.

• 51:39Joe Rogan?

  They're making super people, man. They're making X-Men. That is so crazy.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  That is wild.

• 51:47Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna put fucking tardigrade genes into humans.

• 51:52Speaker 02

  God, that makes me so uncomfortable.

• 51:53Joe Rogan?

  They may create super soldiers. What the fuck? So, okay, China has already done, uh, these genetic experiments on babies that are supposed to, um, inoculate them to HIV, but also somehow increase their intelligence.

• 52:10Joe Rogan?

  And the guy got in trouble and they said, you're a bad, you shouldn't have done that research that we paid you to do. And so they put him in jail for like a couple of years, called it like golf.

• 52:19Speaker 02

  Right, Goodfellas.

• 52:20Joe Rogan?

  Now he's out. Um, but that happened. And that's just what we we know about publicly.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 52:27Joe Rogan?

  Why would they tell, if they were like making super soldiers and if they really like, by the time we hear about it, there's probably some mountain in China that has an underground base, just like we have, just like Area 51. They got some base carved to the side of a mountain and they're doing wild shit over there.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  Where Jared Leto lives or whatever.

• 52:46Joe Rogan?

  He lives in the LA one.

• 52:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:48Joe Rogan?

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• 55:00Speaker 02

  The Laurel Canyon thing is strange.

• 55:02Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 55:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, with all those people like Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, well, maybe not Neil Young, but like, yeah, a lot of those artists had like big Vietnam's. Yeah, and Jim Morrison's dad started Vietnam.

• 55:13Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 55:13Speaker 02

  I mean, that's.

• 55:14Joe Rogan?

  Jim Morrison's dad was like a serious military man.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was the Navy Admiral during the Gulf of Tonkin.

• 55:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's one of those things where it's like, you first, you first hear about that one and we go, what? Get out of here. But then you hear, well, no, like, it's not like these artists didn't exist, but why did they become famous? Why did they get promoted? Like, what, what was it about? Was it a, do you think it's like a psychology? But, because like, take a guy in the Laurel Canyon scene like Hendrix. Like, you can't make a Hendrix accidentally. Or you can't make a Jim Morrison. Even though his dad was like, there's something about that guy. The way he sang, his, just the way it felt when he was on stage. He was a star, man. I don't think you could turn a person who isn't that into that.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  No, not even close. No, no, you can, you can pump up like a pop idol. You can't really pump up a rock star.

• 56:07Joe Rogan?

  Right. You can make a boy band.

• 56:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can make a boy band. You could, you know, make Ariana Grande out of, you know, clay and send her ass out there.

• 56:16Joe Rogan?

  You can't make Bob Dylan.

• 56:17Speaker 02

  God, no, you can't do that. Yeah, you can't do that to Jim Morrison. You can't do that to like a lot of those. Like, a actual rock star is just, that's like a flash in the pan. Like, it happened. We don't know how it happened.

• 56:29Joe Rogan?

  Any kind of musical star, it's like, it either. You know, there's no way, I shouldn't say no way, but I don't think the intelligence agencies can like get a guy and train them.

• 56:41Speaker 02

  No.

• 56:42Joe Rogan?

  To be that.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  No, you could like take a budding.

• 56:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Scene and pump it up, but but that scene's already there. Like it was, it was already gonna exist, like it already was existing. I mean, there was like the beat neck stuff in New York that was already happening way before any of this, so like. And they were just kind of the next generation of that, just the west coast version. But there's, you know, there's. Like that's all, that was already there. So yeah, if you wanna say there's like a conspiracy that they pumped it up and like. Put more money into like marketing their music to make sure that tho- those artists' music got sold more and played on the radio more, like kind of a payola sort of thing.

• 57:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 57:23Speaker 02

  That makes sense.

• 57:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 57:24Speaker 02

  That could be, I don't know that it happened, but.

• 57:26Joe Rogan?

  I know, it's, it's confusing, right? Because you wanna draw conclusions, but then you're gonna go, okay, you can't invent Janis Joplin. Can't make that in a lab.

• 57:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 57:36Joe Rogan?

  You know, when she's singing Peace of My Heart, you know, like, you just like, that is either, that's like. God just kissed her with this talent.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:46Joe Rogan?

  You can't like engineer that, I don't think.

• 57:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:48Joe Rogan?

  I don't think.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  No, there's no way.

• 57:50Joe Rogan?

  But if they, if they could do that, they could, they could manipulate all of reality.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  Well, if they could do that, then they should probably do another one. Cause Jesus Christ. I mean, the amount of times that I've seen like people on TV, there's supposed to be these like massively famous artists. I'm like, I don't know who any of these people are, and I'm like in the age where I should still know who all these people are, like I'm pretty young, but like. Yeah, I don't know who they are and they all sound horrible, like, I'm just, I don't. Like, like this is the proof of there being some simulation where we're all just like listening to the same, but I wonder if people thought that about every damn genre of music, like.

• 58:23Joe Rogan?

  I think they did, but I think there's something particularly lost about this current generation because of social media.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:31Joe Rogan?

  Because of what we're talking about with those chatbots arguing with each other and. We know for sure that happens all over Twitter and Instagrams, a lot of bot accounts and just. I think people are super confused as to like what's like a real thing.

• 58:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 58:46Joe Rogan?

  What's real, what resonates, like what feels, what feels, what's cool and what's not, what's, what's being promoted? And artificially astroturfed and what's just fucking cool where it draws people into it, and it's harder to tell now. It's tricky.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  Well, it also seems like there isn't, cause like, you know, you go back to, let's say like the sixties. And you think like, okay, late sixties, this is the time of like, you know, Hendrix and like the Rolling Stones, the Sergeant Pepper. Like, this is like the highly influential experimental musicians. Yeah, Cream, Cream was like, you know, hadn't broken up yet, they broke up in like seventy. But like the number one song in like nineteen sixty nine or one of them was, you know, Sugar Sugar by the Archies. It's like one of the most mainstream bubble gum pop songs ever. It's like, there was all, but, but those like Hendrix and stuff were still there. Like it was in the zeitgeist, it was still popular. But now it's like, those types of people are nowhere to even be found.

• 59:43Speaker 02

  And it's all just the sugar sugar type things, if that makes sense.

• 59:49Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 59:50Joe Rogan?

  But there's still a lot of really good bands now.

• 59:52Speaker 02

  Well, there are.

• 59:53Joe Rogan?

  The thing is like, the whole music business is weird because you don't sell anything anymore other than tickets to come see people. But yet, there's still a giant industry that is involved in promoting and taking these artists and, you know, essentially locking them up to these deals.

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, because you get the ticket money.

• 1:00:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they get the ticket money now, and that's the thing that the music companies didn't use to get.

• 1:00:21Speaker 02

  Exactly. So, so yeah, you still are gonna market, distribute the way that you would have in the past. But now you're just getting your, your slice of cake from a different, you know, you're getting it from a different area than you used to. But you're still pumping them out, you know, pumping them up for the same reason, ultimately to make money. It's just you're getting it in a different way.

• 1:00:42Joe Rogan?

  What I'm saying is that now, a bunch of people are emerging that aren't doing any of that stuff. You got like, you're Tyler, the creator type dudes.

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:49Joe Rogan?

  Completely disconnected from that system. Makes his own music, makes his own, he's the creator of his own domain. And you don't need all those people, and so. You have this weird thing happening now where you have a lot of like AstroTurf stuff, a lot of stuff that's just like thrown out there to try to get people to link it. It sounds like stuff that people like and it's created. But you still have a lot more opportunity for legit artists to just like Zach Bryan just emerged from like TikTok clips or whatever they were.

• 1:01:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah, there's always gonna be the ones who come out in like the indie way, you know, of like, like a what Tarantino was for like movies, you know, like come out like I'm doing this all on my own. And like there's, there's always gonna be those people. I just think it seems like there's not a lot of those.

• 1:01:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but when they break through, it fucking means something.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:01:43Joe Rogan?

  Like Oliver Anthony.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:47Joe Rogan?

  Do you wanna, you wanna hear his new song? We can't play it on the show?

• 1:01:49Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:01:50Joe Rogan?

  Just you?

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:51Joe Rogan?

  How about that? Well, everybody at home, we'll be right back. That's what I'm talking about.

• 1:01:56Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 1:01:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man.

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 1:01:59Joe Rogan?

  See?

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  That's...

• 1:02:01Joe Rogan?

  That exists, right? So in the middle of all this honey, honey, sugar, sugar shit that you're seeing today, there's still, there's still Oliver Anthony. There's still people out there that are legit. They're legit. There's a bunch, man. There's a lot. There's just a lot of noise.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  Yes, true. And I think I also just don't try to find things as much. You know what I mean? Like I don't like pursue it the way I probably should. Cause I, in my head, I just have this like bias of like, eh, if it came out in the last 20 years, I don't care, like.

• 1:02:33Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to find stuff, you know? It's like I get suggestions from a lot of my friends. That's some of my, the best songs. But also Spotify has a really good, I know I work for Spotify, blah, blah, blah. But for real, they, their, their suggestion thing is legit.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  It's amazing.

• 1:02:47Joe Rogan?

  The, the algorithm's very good. It's legit. It knows like the kind of vibe you're into.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I... Cause I'll look, you know, put in just some like random playlists or like in my head, think of like, well, what do I want to hear like right now? How about like seventies garage rock? And I'll just put that in and there's like all this amazing stuff. It'll have like some deep cuts from like the Stones, which is like one of my favorite bands and like, you know, just all this other stuff that I've never heard before, but it all came out around that time, has the same sound. There's never like a, a miss on that whole list of like 200 songs. This is incredible.

• 1:03:24Joe Rogan?

  There's some great playlists. You know, it's like, that's what's interesting too about people curating their own playlists. Like, like there's a bunch of my friends that'll give me their playlists. Like Tony gave me one of his playlists the other day. I was like, God damn, this is fucking legit. Like a bunch of cool shit that I never heard before.

• 1:03:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I make, I make playlists all the time. That's one of my favorite things to do is like a hobby is to make playlists for people. I love it. Like if they tell me like, oh, I'm like, ah, I'd like want to know more songs that sound like this. I'll be like, got you. I'll make your playlist and send it to you. I love doing stuff like that for people. Yeah.

• 1:03:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I only have one playlist, but it's like 39 hours long.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  Oh, that's pretty good. I mean, how much do you really need? Yeah.

• 1:04:03Joe Rogan?

  It's ridiculous though to try to find, uh, songs in it. I have to use the search bar. I can never just scroll down. There's too many of them.

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  I've, I have probably 40 playlists that I've made. Yeah. Because I do them by like decades and then I'll do genres within decades.

• 1:04:17Joe Rogan?

  You're fucking super specific.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  Well, I'm just like slightly autistic.

• 1:04:21Joe Rogan?

  How much? What percent?

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  Oh, gotta be 55, 56. Like enough to where I can like, you know, I can function.

• 1:04:30Joe Rogan?

  Do you smell math?

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  No. See, see any, when it comes to that, I don't have any of that autism. I just have the weird, like I can't handle too many sounds.

• 1:04:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I can't handle a lot of stimulus and then I make playlists or do jigsaw puzzles.

• 1:04:45Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. Interesting.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or, or read 24 seven and look up random, you know, bullshit.

• 1:04:53Joe Rogan?

  That's the superpower of it, right?

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  I think so. I mean, I've, yeah, I, I'm glad I have, you know, I don't know if I'm really autistic, but if I am, I'm glad I have it, you know?

• 1:05:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, are you self diagnosed?

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:05:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there you go.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  I'm self diagnosed for everything.

• 1:05:07Joe Rogan?

  You are a doctor though, right?

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  Sure. I mean, as much as, you know.

• 1:05:12Joe Rogan?

  I'm, I'm guilty, I'm charged. I self diagnosed myself with ADHD.

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you, you know, but you know yourself better than anybody else. So you should be able to self diagnose yourself.

• 1:05:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't think necessarily ADHD is even totally real. You know, I think it's one of those things for people that just think differently and they're fucking bored as shit and they can't pay attention to stuff that sucks.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  Well, and there probably is some disorder in it, but to like, because I don't think it's necessarily wrong to say that there is like a thing, but to say that it's like a disorder and that it's negative and that it needs to be treated. It's different. Like, I don't think ADHD necessarily needs to be treated. It just needs to be like funneled.

• 1:05:51Joe Rogan?

  It's only a disorder because we have a very rigid civilization.

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:05:55Joe Rogan?

  If we, so we don't live in accordance to the way our bodies were designed. Our bodies were designed to be hunter gatherers. That's the reality. That's the reality because it takes so long to become a hunter and gatherer and it took like hundreds of thousands of years for us to be good at it. And we've only been living in civilization for a little tiny little blink of time, little taping. So our fucking programming is all not to sit still all day, not to stare at a fucking teacher, not to be bored memorizing shit. Our whole thing is like be active, do something, learn, get excited about something. So we have like an entire forgotten group of people that have so much energy and they have, they have all these interests that are not

• 1:06:38Joe Rogan?

  what you're dulling them down with all day long.

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:41Joe Rogan?

  And they could learn in a way better manner by just like participating in things and you have reading stuff as well, but having a teacher that actually is enthusiastic about it where they gets you excited about it, like not having to sit down all day. You're fucking 10. You want to run, you want to play with your friends.

• 1:06:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:59Joe Rogan?

  You want to have fun and you just sit there and by the end of the day you're like, ah, I hate school.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:07:04Joe Rogan?

  Because it's fucking boring.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, school sucks. Like, school ruins fucking everything. It ruins the natural love of learning that I think most humans have. It's ruined by schools. Because, well, one, you're there way longer than you should be. There's no reason a kid should be in school for eight hours, nine hours sometimes. Why, why would an eight-year-old need to be in school that long?

• 1:07:26Joe Rogan?

  It's a real good question.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  Doesn't make any sense. What do they actually, what are you teaching a 10-year-old? In eight hours, like.

• 1:07:33Joe Rogan?

  That they're gonna remember.

• 1:07:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, and also, I mean, like, don't have, you don't have to have recess, you don't have to have all these extra things, like, you can shorten all this down, make it more streamlined, and have kids home, but it's just to prepare people for a nine to five, and so many two, you know, parent, there's so many households have both parents working, so it's like, well, it is kinda nice to not have a babysitter, you just send your kid to school and, you know, have your kid be a latchkey kid like I was, you know.

• 1:07:57Joe Rogan?

  Like I was too.

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was a normal thing back then, you know, no one thought twice about letting your kids just go outside, like, all the kids in the neighborhood, we all grew up like that, we all would just go over each other's houses, we'd just come home from school, nobody's home, you had a key, you know.

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I would just come in and start like playing guitar or something, I mean, I didn't go around the neighborhood, and it was a lot of meth labs, a lot of fully functioning.

• 1:08:19Joe Rogan?

  You lived near meth labs when you were a kid?

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:21Joe Rogan?

  No shit, dude?

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  Fully functioning.

• 1:08:23Joe Rogan?

  Where'd you live?

• 1:08:24Speaker 02

  Well, East Texas, which is.

• 1:08:25Joe Rogan?

  Don't, you know, don't have to say, don't rat anybody out.

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  Don't give the address, yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:31Joe Rogan?

  There's some meth head right now, he's like, the motherfucker, I remember him, I'm gonna fucking find him.

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, they've actually all kinda blown themselves up since then, so.

• 1:08:39Joe Rogan?

  Funny how that works.

• 1:08:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a, yeah, nature really has a way to take care of itself, you know.

• 1:08:44Joe Rogan?

  That is such a crazy decision to make, I'm gonna cook meth in a trailer.

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, one blew up, like, the one next to my house blew up not that long ago, like, I was just asleep, I thought I heard a shotgun and looked and there's just fire, and I was like, what is this, and I was like, oh, yeah.

• 1:08:59Joe Rogan?

  I'm imagining a slow-mo of the trailer blowing up with that Oliver Anthony song playing in the background.

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  Ah, yeah, you'd be, you wouldn't be far off.

• 1:09:08Joe Rogan?

  Boom!

• 1:09:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's pretty close, but yeah.

• 1:09:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, meth labs are known, they are known to go up badly.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I did, yeah, it was not a neighborhood that you go, like, ride bikes around and, like, play and shit like that.

• 1:09:20Joe Rogan?

  But because you're cooking meth and you're on meth. So right?

• 1:09:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:24Joe Rogan?

  And even if you're not on meth, you're in contact with it all the time? So you're probably getting at least a skin high?

• 1:09:29Speaker 02

  Well, and they're not using like, you know, high grade equipment. I mean, they're wearing like, you know, some like, like cheap gloves, maybe. I mean, most of it's barehanded, you know? They're like old school hat makers, you know, that would get mercury poisoning and go crazy.

• 1:09:43Joe Rogan?

  What's really crazy is that we look at that and we say, that is so nuts that people take meth. Why would you do that? And yet, what percentage of kids today are on Adderall?

• 1:09:54Speaker 02

  Which is the exact same thing, just a slow release, a delayed release meth.

• 1:09:58Joe Rogan?

  What percentage? If you had to guess?

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  I, I mean, it's probably lower than we think, cause in my head, I think it's like forty percent. But it's probably about fifteen. If I'm, if I'm really guessing, like trying to win some money.

• 1:10:10Joe Rogan?

  God, that's a lot of.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  That's still a lot, that's still so many kids.

• 1:10:14Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy, more than one out of ten. And that's so crazy. That's just the idea of that is so nuts. They're all on meth.

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:23Joe Rogan?

  And that's an ADHD thing, right? They give it to you and you have ADHD?

• 1:10:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, Ritalin, yeah, I used to.

• 1:10:28Joe Rogan?

  ADHD medication, when I was a kid, I would run through, I would take my clothes off and ran through the woods.

• 1:10:34Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:35Joe Rogan?

  I'd be like, ah!

• 1:10:38Speaker 02

  Well, what's crazy is it just turns kids into a zombie.

• 1:10:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  Like, like, it, it, it's, it's so sad. Like, I used to work in a pharmacy for a long time and just seeing like, how many parents are coming in there giving their kid? And their kid's just like zonked out, they look like they're in one floor of the Cuckers now, you know, like? And, yeah, they're just like, oh, here's, here's my kid, this like high level amount of, you know, like Ritalin or whatever, uh? Vivance, you know, Adderall, like, it's, it is wild.

• 1:11:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's spooky.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  It was a party drug.

• 1:11:09Joe Rogan?

  It's spooky that you can get a doctor to tell you that's cool, too. As long as the doctor tells you it's okay, yeah, he needs that, oh, great. Look, we got medication for him, we're gonna be fine, little Billy's gonna be fine. Cause you come home from school, from work, rather, your feet hurt, you fucking sit down, I take your shoes off, the kid's fucking sword fighting with his brother in the middle of the living room, like, hey, you gotta stop, you gotta listen to me, hey, you little fucker! And you're so tired, your ankle hurts, you know, you can't get up. They're like, medicate this little motherfucker, medicate him.

• 1:11:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause it's easy to do. And, and you have a doctor telling you it's okay, so that immediately gives you some like reassurance that like, well, why would a medical professional tell me this is okay?

• 1:11:45Joe Rogan?

  He's a medical professional, and he gives me my medication.

• 1:11:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, he went to school for this.

• 1:11:49Joe Rogan?

  Allows me to get through my day as well.

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:11:52Joe Rogan?

  That's that great Rolling Stones song, remember that? Mother's Little Helper?

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, mother, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:58Joe Rogan?

  That's what it's called, right?

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is, it is.

• 1:11:59Joe Rogan?

  Great fucking song, great, I mean.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  Running for the shelter.

• 1:12:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I think that was the Valium days, right? Was that what it was?

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know if they didn't necessarily call it that, but there was like speed and Valium.

• 1:12:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  Or speed, like an upper and a downer.

• 1:12:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:12:13Speaker 02

  You know, you take the upper to get all your chores done as a housewife, and then you take the downer so you didn't kill your kids.

• 1:12:19Joe Rogan?

  They prescribed those to people like candy.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:24Joe Rogan?

  Forever.

• 1:12:25Speaker 02

  Well, I think.

• 1:12:25Joe Rogan?

  And then they figured out that Valium's like super addictive, right?

• 1:12:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think they legitimately didn't know back then.

• 1:12:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, for sure.

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  Any excuse after that, you're out of your mind, like the OxyContin bullshit, you know, with all that, like.

• 1:12:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure, they knew about OxyContin being, they knew that was essentially heroin. I mean, that's one of the great moments in that Peter Berg docu-series on Netflix.

• 1:12:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:46Joe Rogan?

  Where, docu-drama series, where the guy is breaking it down to him, the doctor's breaking it down to him, like, you're, when the hot girl comes in, she's pitching that stuff, and he's like, you're selling heroin.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:57Joe Rogan?

  You need, this is exactly the same thing as heroin, you're telling my, I should put my patients on heroin? Like, what are you doing? Like, the, you know, the lone ethical doctor in the.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:13:07Joe Rogan?

  You know, fucking shitty little house that he lives in, you know, he's like.

• 1:13:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause he doesn't make the big money.

• 1:13:12Joe Rogan?

  Cause he doesn't make the big money, cause he's a good guy.

• 1:13:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:15Joe Rogan?

  Which is like, unfortunately, not unrealistic, like, you see that.

• 1:13:19Speaker 02

  No, that's how it is.

• 1:13:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  Cause if you prescribe it, they give you, you know, a $500 gift card to, you know, a steakhouse, they'll, you know, they'll, they'll buy you a new car.

• 1:13:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, that, all that stuff's not.

• 1:13:59Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:28Joe Rogan?

  and he was giving people chemotherapy that didn't have cancer. Because chemotherapy is very profitable. So this piece of shit was telling people that they had cancer and then giving them fucking chemotherapy. That sucks. There's a special place in hell for that. A bunch of people. And I think he had some insane excuse when they asked. You know that you eat what you kill? You know that philosophy that they kind of have in medical school? Like you have to do surgeries because that's how you get your money. Yep.

• 1:16:02Joe Rogan?

  I thought you were fixing folks. I didn't think this is all about you making money. That's crazy. And that the fact that they incentivize you to do that. So a pharmaceutical drug company can incentivize you to push their stuff.

• 1:16:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:16:17Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, to push their medicine over another medicine, even though their medicine might have worse side effects or maybe not even be the exact right one.

• 1:16:25Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, like I'm on a, I'm on a couple pharmaceuticals.

• 1:16:28Joe Rogan?

  What are you on?

• 1:16:29Speaker 02

  Uh, Effexor, and I took a Klonopin about two hours ago, so.

• 1:16:33Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:16:34Speaker 02

  A small, very small dose. It actually did absolutely nothing, so.

• 1:16:38Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it kicks in in five?

• 1:16:40Speaker 02

  And we'll find out. Yeah, I'm laid out here.

• 1:16:42Joe Rogan?

  What is Effexor? Is that an SSRI?

• 1:16:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's an SSRI, but um.

• 1:16:45Joe Rogan?

  And when did you start getting on that stuff?

• 1:16:47Speaker 02

  Oh, I started taking those, um, probably 2013.

• 1:16:51Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I've never noticed a difference. I just keep taking them.

• 1:16:55Joe Rogan?

  That's interesting.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  Cause I think at some point it's gonna work.

• 1:16:57Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:17:00Speaker 02

  I mean, well, you never know. Sometimes there's like a delay in the effectiveness, so.

• 1:17:05Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever gone off them? Just to see like what it feels like?

• 1:17:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I started, well, whenever I started drinking a lot, I was like, it said you're not supposed to do both. So I was like, I'll just take the alcohol.

• 1:17:16Joe Rogan?

  I'll take the depressant over the antidepressant.

• 1:17:18Speaker 02

  Well, the alcohol worked, for sure.

• 1:17:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really? Interesting.

• 1:17:20Speaker 02

  Well, that night it worked real well, and then the next day it's like, you know.

• 1:17:24Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem.

• 1:17:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, if my ceiling was stronger, I'd have a noose hanging up there, but yeah.

• 1:17:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, it's like someone's gotta design a better alcohol. Someone's gotta design something that, first of all, doesn't massively fuck up your motor functions. You know, which is the, the most dangerous part of alcohol. It's like your body's not functioning right.

• 1:17:43Speaker 02

  I want that to happen, though. I like that, yeah. I like the whole feeling.

• 1:17:48Joe Rogan?

  You like just stumbling?

• 1:17:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:50Joe Rogan?

  Being hammered?

• 1:17:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like waking up and being like, why is my knee bleeding? Like, that's a, that's a great feeling.

• 1:17:58Joe Rogan?

  It's definitely fun to be had, but it's just like, it's a new, you've, you're agreeing, just like you're agreeing when you're smoking cigarettes. Like, I am, um, I'm giving up some health here for this experience.

• 1:18:09Speaker 02

  There's like a quote, I don't know whose it is, it's definitely not mine, but uh, like, getting drunk is you're just buying happiness from tomorrow.

• 1:18:17Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 1:18:17Speaker 02

  It's a great quote. I mean, it makes sense.

• 1:18:18Joe Rogan?

  It is great.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  Cause that is what you're doing. You're getting twice as happy, but tomorrow.

• 1:18:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:22Speaker 02

  You're gonna have zero happiness.

• 1:18:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:25Speaker 02

  And I was buying like weeks ahead.

• 1:18:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, some people just keep that like Burt Kreischer, he just keeps that party rolling. He never stops.

• 1:18:32Speaker 02

  Well, he just knocked out a 5K. Good for him. I got invited to go do that and I couldn't turn that down fast enough. Like you, I was like, y'all, no, no, I'm not gonna go run a 5K unless someone's chasing me.

• 1:18:45Joe Rogan?

  Bro, Jelly Roll has lost something insane. I think he's down 140 pounds.

• 1:18:51Speaker 02

  I thought it was even more than that, but maybe.

• 1:18:53Joe Rogan?

  Is it more than that?

• 1:18:55Speaker 02

  I think, I think, I don't wanna.

• 1:18:56Joe Rogan?

  It's an insane amount. He looks so good. He looks different. He looks like a different person.

• 1:19:01Speaker 02

  It is wild. That's a lot, I mean.

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, see, 180 is what I thought I had heard, so yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:08Joe Rogan?

  Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

• 1:19:11Speaker 02

  I mean, that's a.

• 1:19:12Joe Rogan?

  That's unbelievable.

• 1:19:12Speaker 02

  That's an adult human.

• 1:19:13Joe Rogan?

  See if there's a, there's a video, I think, that's on Burt Kreischer's Instagram of Burt with him on stage and Burt is bigger than Jelly Roll. No, he's not, he's not. But he's right next to him and Jelly Roll is almost unrecognizable.

• 1:19:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:28Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he's so much thinner. He looks great and he's committed. He's like fucking all in on this, all in on being healthy.

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  I gotta do it.

• 1:19:38Joe Rogan?

  He ran a 5K. Look at that.

• 1:19:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, there it was, yeah. Boy.

• 1:19:44Joe Rogan?

  Look at Burt. Burt's bigger than him. Look, I'm not lying.

• 1:19:47Speaker 02

  No, you're really not.

• 1:19:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's, um. Jelly Roll looks like a totally different human being.

• 1:19:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, he looks, looks good.

• 1:19:54Joe Rogan?

  He looks great.

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  I mean, that's crazy.

• 1:19:56Joe Rogan?

  That's extraordinary, extraordinary that he's been able to do that.

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. In how long? I mean, it hasn't been that long, I don't think.

• 1:20:04Joe Rogan?

  I think.

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's.

• 1:20:10Joe Rogan?

  His weight loss, he wanted to lose 100 pounds, it says his first goal. Uh, okay, so he passed that goal in 2024. Okay, so he'd already lost 100 pounds by 2024.

• 1:20:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:20:22Joe Rogan?

  So here we are in May of 2025. Next year, he says half marathon. Wow.

• 1:20:28Speaker 02

  Whoa. I mean, he could, why not?

• 1:20:31Joe Rogan?

  Why, why not? Yeah, if he did 5K, he can do it.

• 1:20:33Speaker 02

  5K is what, three and a half miles?

• 1:20:35Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:36Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:20:37Speaker 02

  So half marathon's 13.1?

• 1:20:39Joe Rogan?

  Fuckin' dog.

• 1:20:39Speaker 02

  Or 13, I guess?

• 1:20:41Joe Rogan?

  He, his weight, his weight goal is to be under 250 pounds.

• 1:20:46Speaker 02

  Well, he'll definitely be there.

• 1:20:47Joe Rogan?

  Said to do all the fun stuff in life, you gotta be under 250.

• 1:20:50Speaker 02

  That's a.

• 1:20:52Joe Rogan?

  Skydiving, ride a roller coaster, riding a bull and wrestling an alligator. Oh, don't do a lot of those things.

• 1:20:58Speaker 02

  I'll tell you what, you know, the wrestling an alligator thing, I can tell you from first hand experience, you can be any weight and wrestle a fucking alligator.

• 1:21:04Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  Why not? I mean, I feel like the bigger you are.

• 1:21:07Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna die, you're gonna die.

• 1:21:08Speaker 02

  Well, I figured the bigger you are, the better at wrestling you are, for an alligator.

• 1:21:12Joe Rogan?

  Um.

• 1:21:12Speaker 02

  You don't wanna be a hundred and twenty pounds and jump on the back of an alligator.

• 1:21:15Joe Rogan?

  That's true, but you don't even wanna be three hundred pounds, jump on the back of an alligator, cuz they roll. Like, their whole thing is rolling.

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  But they wouldn't be able to roll quite as much. If I'm on the back of an alligator, that thing is not budging.

• 1:21:27Joe Rogan?

  Boy, I think you're wrong.

• 1:21:28Speaker 02

  That could be true.

• 1:21:29Joe Rogan?

  I think you're really wrong. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm really sure you're wrong.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  I would like to test it.

• 1:21:34Joe Rogan?

  I don't want you to. You seem like a nice guy. I've seen so many videos. Especially crocs, when dudes like, they put their arm in a croc and the croc's like, not to dance, snap!

• 1:21:44Speaker 02

  Well, see, crocodile's different. Crocodile's very vicious, and alligator's basically just a giant turtle. I mean, you could just smack that thing around, it's not gonna do anything to you.

• 1:21:53Joe Rogan?

  Nah, they eat people. They'll get ya. They'll, they're, they're still eat people.

• 1:21:56Speaker 02

  I'm like kids. I'm not a toddler.

• 1:21:57Joe Rogan?

  No, no, they'll eat a grown adult if they get a hold of you, they'll take you and drag you under a log. It's just, they're not as aggressive as crocs. Crocs actively target people, whereas alligators are, like, if you fuck up, like, there's a fun story. Guy was in a police chase in Florida. Cops are chasing him, gets to a bridge, jumps out of the car, into the water, lands on an alligator, and just gets mauled right in front of the cops. He gets killed by an alligator right in front of, a big one too. It was like a big, like, like, again, like the book coming out today. Like, sometimes, sometimes the universe is there with a thirteen footer. Like, right when you dive in, you, oh no, crap!

• 1:22:40Joe Rogan?

  Grabs a hold of your head, starts rolling.

• 1:22:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. Have you ever been close to one?

• 1:22:44Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah.

• 1:22:45Speaker 02

  There, yeah, I've, I've snuck up on, well, accidentally snuck up on one once, and it is, it's kinda terrifying, hearing the, the, the, I can't make the sound, but that like, huh! That, you know, that sound they make.

• 1:22:56Joe Rogan?

  Bro, they're dinosaurs. They're heartless, soulless, eating machines.

• 1:23:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was going to take a piss by a tree and just heard that sound, I was like. It was nighttime, so I'm like, oh, I don't, I don't like that that just happened.

• 1:23:10Joe Rogan?

  That's not good.

• 1:23:10Speaker 02

  And look around, there's one, not like, super close, but close enough to get a good look and be like, ooh.

• 1:23:16Joe Rogan?

  When I was a kid, I lived in Florida from age eleven to thirteen. We lived in Gainesville, which is right by this place called Lake Alice. And Lake Alice had all kinds of alligators.

• 1:23:27Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 1:23:28Joe Rogan?

  And people would go there and, and feed them marshmallows. Chuck marshmallows in the water, and then they eventually told you, hey, stop doing that, it's bad for the alligators. But alligators were like a protected species back then.

• 1:23:38Speaker 02

  I'd have been dressing up like an alligator so quick. You'd have ordered free marshmallows, man.

• 1:23:42Joe Rogan?

  But it was so weird.

• 1:23:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's wild.

• 1:23:44Joe Rogan?

  To be, like, I lived in San Francisco before that, so, you know, you see nothing. And then all of a sudden, dinosaurs, like legit dinosaurs. Why, and I remember being a little kid, thinking, why is everybody so goddamn comfortable, being around these huge fucking lizards?

• 1:23:57Speaker 02

  It is crazy when you go to Florida, cause I'm, I'm pretty close to Caddo Lake. I don't know if you're familiar with Caddo Lake, but it's a, it's like the largest natural lake in Texas. It looks like you went back in time five million years, sixty million years. Like, it's the scariest looking place on the planet. And, um, it's just filled with alligators. So we would go there as a kid all the time, and yeah, you'd see alligators, and you're just like, but nobody cares. Like, people were just like, out barbecuing, like grilling, up against the lake, and you know, and obviously the meat being around, like, these alligators just come up. They just don't care, they're just like, alright.

• 1:24:29Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy.

• 1:24:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:32Joe Rogan?

  So crazy that people just tolerate dinosaurs.

• 1:24:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I guess, just, you know, they don't do anything to people, like, unprovoked, really, like, as far as I know, I mean.

• 1:24:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, they can, they certainly can.

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:24:46Joe Rogan?

  But they're just like, they're so overpopulated now. And they're all over Florida. They say essentially any body of water in Florida that's still, there's a potential for an alligator being inside of it. Cause they just travel at night and go into a new lake and sit there and wait, they can hold their breath for hours.

• 1:25:01Speaker 02

  God, I wouldn't want to get on them.

• 1:25:03Joe Rogan?

  They don't have to eat for a year, like, what? Like, what, what are we doing?

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 1:25:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god!

• 1:25:10Speaker 02

  Oh, that is, yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep.

• 1:25:12Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever heard of alligator gars?

• 1:25:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, we have them. Uh, yeah, so like my family, a lot of them live in Gonzales. I don't know if you're familiar with that is, but probably San Antonio. And they go like bow fishing for gars. And we used to go fishing for gars, like in a spillway. Just fish for these bastards. And you can't eat them or grow them.

• 1:25:29Joe Rogan?

  Apparently you can. You can smoke them. That's what I heard.

• 1:25:31Speaker 02

  We would just pull them up and then smash their head with a rock.

• 1:25:33Joe Rogan?

  How rude.

• 1:25:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I mean, what were I supposed to?

• 1:25:36Joe Rogan?

  My point was some guy just caught a world record in Texas. Uh, I think it was out in Lakeway? I forget where it was, but, uh, it was, uh, seven feet long. See if you could find it. And he caught it on like two pound test or something crazy. No, I mean, that was a lake trout. Different story.

• 1:25:53Speaker 02

  There's gotta be bigger ones than that. Than seven feet. I wonder if it was, Jesus.

• 1:25:59Joe Rogan?

  Look at the size of that thing, man. That's so crazy.

• 1:26:02Speaker 02

  That is.

• 1:26:02Joe Rogan?

  Houston Chronicle. So look at the size of that thing. Oh, my God. That's so big. Two hundred and twelve pound alligator gar. And those things, man, look like they're from a different era. Those things look like they're not supposed to exist. Like, that is a goddamn prehistoric creature. Pull up some photos, Jamie, of, uh, alligator gars.

• 1:26:24Speaker 02

  They also don't attack people.

• 1:26:26Joe Rogan?

  No, no, they don't.

• 1:26:27Speaker 02

  Very kinda skittish.

• 1:26:28Joe Rogan?

  But my, my kids found out that they're in lakes now and they're like, fuck this.

• 1:26:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I don't blame them, yeah.

• 1:26:36Joe Rogan?

  Take a chance with that thing. Look at their face. Like, look at that photo. Look at that face, man. That looks like something from a book on dinosaurs, right?

• 1:26:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like a sturgeon. Like this huge ass sturgeon in Alaska where you're like, huh.

• 1:26:48Joe Rogan?

  From a different time. Like, a sturgeon looks like it doesn't belong in this time. Look at that thing, man.

• 1:26:53Speaker 02

  I don't like that at all.

• 1:26:54Joe Rogan?

  But even the eyes, it just looks primitive. Like a shit early design, like a nineteen fifty-five Ford. You know what I mean? It's like, what were you doing back then? Like, that's a shit design.

• 1:27:05Speaker 02

  It's an Edsel.

• 1:27:05Joe Rogan?

  That stupid eyeball at the end of the mouth, it looks dumb. Right? Make that picture bigger. The one that's, you got it, that's big right now. Look at.

• 1:27:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:27:14Joe Rogan?

  Look how fucking crazy that is. God.

• 1:27:19Speaker 02

  God, I mean, it's so crazy.

• 1:27:20Joe Rogan?

  Look at that thing, man.

• 1:27:22Speaker 02

  You've never, uh, gone.

• 1:27:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they only give you a small ver- isn't that weird?

• 1:27:24Speaker 02

  What a weird, even if you open it.

• 1:27:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there it is. That's so strange, the thing. Wow, but look how bad that design is. That's like, you know what it's like? It's like, you ever see like a Dodge Charger, like a sixty-nine Charger, badass looking car? But like, why is it so long and goofy? Like, what's going on here? It's like old time, they hadn't figured out proportions yet. Looks weird. Yeah. That thing looks weird. It doesn't look modern. It looks like it's from a different time. It's definitely not mine.

• 1:27:51Speaker 04

  Why does it have a nose?

• 1:27:53Joe Rogan?

  Probably slammed into things. Oh, that is, no, that's like a real nostril.

• 1:27:57Speaker 04

  They breathe somewhat another way, unless they can breathe above.

• 1:28:00Joe Rogan?

  Is that a nostril, you think?

• 1:28:01Speaker 04

  I don't, I've never asked.

• 1:28:03Joe Rogan?

  It does look like a nostril. See if there's other ones that show that same thing. That's crazy if that's a nostril. That could just be a hole in its nose. It could, but I think. Unless they're like. No. Oh, God, it does look like a nostril. They all have a little nostril. Fine enough, can alligator gars breathe air? Because there are some fish that gulp air. Have you ever seen that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When they gulp, they actually can gulp air if there's no oxygen in the water. I mean, these things all look like they have nostrils. They have nostrils, but their primary respiratory organ is a swim bladder, which can be used to breathe in air when needed, especially in low oxygen environments. Wow. But they do breathe using gills at the top. They say they have gills and nostrils. That's nuts.

• 1:28:45Speaker 04

  Like, it says like most fish have nostrils. I didn't know that.

• 1:28:48Joe Rogan?

  Most fish have nostrils. Whoa. I never would have guessed that. However, they have a unique adaptation, a swim bladder connected to their mouth. Oh. Whoa. And swim bladder functions as a lung, allowing them to breathe air. See, that's why they're still around. When, when did these motherfuckers first start being around? Like, how long have they been on Earth for? I'm gonna guess. Millions. Oh, yeah, for a hundred percent. That seems like a many million year old fish. I would guess like a hundred, oh, there it is. Hundred million years. And the Cretaceous. So that's pre-dinosaur death. Yeah, sixty-five million, so yeah, yeah, we're thirty-five million. Long before that. Yeah, they overlap for thirty-five million years. Isn't that nuts?

• 1:29:32Joe Rogan?

  That that's essentially a prehistoric creature that you can go shoot with a bow.

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, or like me, smash their head in with, smash his head in with your rock while your uncle's drunk.

• 1:29:42Joe Rogan?

  Kind of crazy that that's a, you know, it's an activity that people do. But I, I do, I do hear that you can smoke them and then they taste good.

• 1:29:51Speaker 02

  I'll leave that up to.

• 1:29:52Joe Rogan?

  You won't even try it? Like if someone's really good and they cook for you? And they're like, just try it, dude, try it, try it.

• 1:29:58Speaker 02

  I'd pretty much try anything. So yeah, I try. I've eaten worse things.

• 1:30:01Joe Rogan?

  I had beaver once.

• 1:30:03Speaker 02

  I bet you, yeah, yeah. Really? Why was it?

• 1:30:08Speaker 02

  Me too, one day, I hope.

• 1:30:09Joe Rogan?

  Uh, no, me and, uh, my friend Brian Callen and, uh, Steve Rinella, it was on his television show, Meat Eater. And they trapped a beaver and he cooked it. He made like a pot roast. It was fucking delicious. It was really good.

• 1:30:21Speaker 02

  I'd try it.

• 1:30:22Joe Rogan?

  But Steve's like an excellent cook.

• 1:30:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:24Joe Rogan?

  So he really, like he has cookbooks, like excellent cook. So he really knows how to make something delicious. Yeah, yeah, all the time, all the time.

• 1:30:31Speaker 02

  That's a, yeah, I'd, I'd try it. I mean, there's not really any, I'd eat a dog. I'd eat, I'd try.

• 1:30:38Joe Rogan?

  Can't eat a dog, like I couldn't eat a person. Like I could eat a person if I had to eat a person.

• 1:30:42Speaker 02

  I don't think it would take all that much.

• 1:30:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think historically, you've been proven to be correct.

• 1:30:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:48Joe Rogan?

  You know, want some coffee?

• 1:30:49Speaker 02

  Nah, I'm good, I'm good.

• 1:30:51Joe Rogan?

  Um, yeah, historically, when push comes to shove, people will eat people.

• 1:30:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, uh, what was the name, General Butt Naked? You ever heard of him?

• 1:30:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was eating people. I mean, that's how he found, he busted that guy at that market, you know, that was serving human meat.

• 1:31:05Joe Rogan?

  That guy killed and ate people and then he was forgiven because he found Jesus. And then he become, became a pastor.

• 1:31:14Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 1:31:15Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he would take off all his clothes and go into battle and kill people while he's butt naked.

• 1:31:20Speaker 02

  With a machete.

• 1:31:21Joe Rogan?

  With a machete.

• 1:31:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:22Joe Rogan?

  He would find children, kill them, cut their heart out and eat it so that he, he would become invincible. Eat the heart of his enemy's children.

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  It worked. He's still alive.

• 1:31:36Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing, like you can dismiss it all you want.

• 1:31:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, but the proof is in the pudding, as they say.

• 1:31:41Joe Rogan?

  The devil has very specific rules if you want the superpower. From monster to minister is the past about to catch up to Liberia's war criminals. So that's the thing is Liberia, okay? Do you know the history of Liberia?

• 1:31:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, with James Monroe and Monrovia. I mean, well, I know like that it was a colony basically to send African like

• 1:31:58Joe Rogan?

  Slaves.

• 1:31:58Speaker 02

  Slaves back to Africa.

• 1:32:00Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:32:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's why the capital's Monrovia. It's named after James Monroe.

• 1:32:04Joe Rogan?

  It is an insane place, man. In the weeks before he found Jesus, the evangelist formerly known as General Butt Naked reckons he was sacrificing four or five children a day.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 1:32:15Joe Rogan?

  Murder had long come naturally to him. He was only 11 when the elders who had steeped him in the ways of witchcraft first handed him the sacrificial knife, but he never killed with such intensity and ferocity as during those weeks in mid 1996, when Liberia's first civil war reached its calamitous climax on the blood-soaked streets of Monrovia, the country's battered capital. Several times a day, the warlord and his battalion of boys, all naked as he was, would emerge into the maelstrom, firing wildly as they added their own breed of terror to the chaos.

• 1:32:52Joe Rogan?

  Wow. Yet the bloodletting always began before a single bullet had been fired, before each engagement Butt Naked, pagan priest and holy warrior, would lay a child face down on the sacrificial table, slice open its victim's back and pull out their still beating heart, thus ensuring magical protection for the coming battle.

• 1:33:12Joe Rogan?

  Fucking yo.

• 1:33:15Speaker 02

  It's not really like a nice thing to do to someone.

• 1:33:17Joe Rogan?

  I mean, fucking yo. Yeah, that's insane. I mean, I don't care if he found Jesus. But he found Jesus. Hold on, he found Jesus. Is that actually why he got let off or did he get let off? More than 20 years later, General Butt Naked, nom de guerre, evangelist Joshua Milton Blahie, no longer cares to use, has never appeared in court for the war crimes he so freely admits to. Neither for that matter has anyone else, not in Liberia at least. That's pretty crazy.

• 1:33:47Speaker 02

  So they didn't even try. It's not like he got off. They just didn't even try.

• 1:33:51Joe Rogan?

  That's how bad that place is.

• 1:33:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz he was under, what's that guy's name? Charles Taylor. Charles Taylor was an absolute nut job as well. You ever seen Machine Gun Preacher? Gerard Butler?

• 1:34:02Joe Rogan?

  No, I didn't.

• 1:34:02Speaker 02

  Oh, you gotta watch that movie. So good.

• 1:34:05Joe Rogan?

  Machine Gun Preacher?

• 1:34:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it sounds like it.

• 1:34:07Joe Rogan?

  When did this one, when did this one come out?

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  Maybe 2014, 2015 or so. So you're decently old. 2011, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's based on a true story of a guy who, you know, had like some alcohol, like drug issues, I believe, and... I hear it is.

• 1:34:22Joe Rogan?

  Machine Gun Preacher?

• 1:34:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:27Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:34:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's a...

• 1:34:29Joe Rogan?

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• 1:36:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, he went to Africa, like this guy, yeah, went to Africa and started like building these like, you know, kind of, I guess not orphanages, but like schools basically. And then obviously, you know, the warlords would come in and burn these schools down because they didn't want them being built. And try to take the money that's being donated. So he started like going over there, like he was at one point just kind of, you know, getting money and sending it there. And then he was like, well, I'll actually go over there with weapons and I'll protect these schools. And it's basically what he did. And it's a pretty crazy story. The movie, yes, phenomenal.

• 1:37:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man, there are parts of the world that are just fucking bananas.

• 1:37:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:19Joe Rogan?

  Which is really great about the early days of Vice.

• 1:37:22Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:37:23Joe Rogan?

  The early days of Vice, man, they would go and interview like general butt naked.

• 1:37:27Speaker 02

  That's where I heard about him, of Vice. It was the Cannibal Warlords of Liberia was the documentary.

• 1:37:32Joe Rogan?

  They would go everywhere, all the crazy places. They would go all parts of the world.

• 1:37:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's, yeah, amazing, like just how crazy people are.

• 1:37:43Joe Rogan?

  People that don't visit those places of the world, they don't see, like the look in the eyes of people that have been to all those dangerous parts. Like my friend Shane, Shane Smith from Vice.

• 1:37:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:55Joe Rogan?

  He's got this, when he starts talking about these places that he's been, especially the early days, like there's like, he has an understanding of the dangers of the outside world that I think us in this little gated community we call the United. States, we're very, very ignorant about how fucking sideways things have gone in other parts of the world. Right now, while you're enjoying Netflix cuddling up with your sweetheart, eating popcorn. There's parts of the world right now where someone's cutting out a child's heart to eat it before they go to battle. Like, maybe not in the same timeline, but close enough.

• 1:38:26Speaker 02

  It's not, I mean, just because he's not doing it, doesn't mean somebody else is.

• 1:38:30Joe Rogan?

  Happening right now in certain worn torn parts of the world. And we just think, well, you know, what we really need is equity. We didn't worry about the climate. The climate change should be our number one priority, like. Actually, stay, need to stay safe. You need to fucking stay safe and you need to understand there's a bunch of spots that aren't safe.

• 1:38:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, and also, yeah, climate change, sure worry about it, but uh, like that kid's gonna get his heart ripped out in the next fifteen minutes. Let's go ahead and like worry about him maybe.

• 1:39:00Joe Rogan?

  Probably number one.

• 1:39:01Speaker 02

  And then, yeah, let's, let's go ahead and worry about him for a little bit. Then we'll go to climate after that.

• 1:39:05Joe Rogan?

  People who are good people don't want to believe that there's bad people in the world and I understand that reluctance. I understand that you have this perspective and in your world that you've cultivated. You probably are safe because you've cultivated this world of a bunch of people that share the worldview of you. But when you enter into other people's spaces and you're ignorant to their culture and how crazy where. Like I read about this, this couple, he's decided that they're gonna prove that people are just good people everywhere. And they went and hung out with ISIS and they killed them. Did you read about that one, Jamie? Do you know that story?

• 1:39:40Speaker 02

  That is incredible.

• 1:39:41Joe Rogan?

  I was like, you need better friends. You need better friends. You need better friends that show you some videos. You know, that show you like this is what's going on in this part of the world. Like you have to understand like. It is, you need to talk to someone who's maybe served in Afghanistan. Like you need to understand what's going on over there.

• 1:39:58Speaker 02

  The problem is those people would never listen to that. They'd be like, well, you just saw the bad side of ISIS. Like, you got, you got ISIS on a bad day. It was like.

• 1:40:07Joe Rogan?

  I have a lighter that my friend Chris Williamson gave me, um, that uh, is from my comedy club. That went to Antarctica because they took a group of people to show them that the world isn't flat. They show them the sun actually at the certain, it does go around like that. You can watch it the whole time. You're like, fuck.

• 1:40:25Joe Rogan?

  Completely recalibrate.

• 1:40:28Speaker 02

  Like that guy that tried to launch himself up in the sky to prove it and he died.

• 1:40:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that guy, he needed better friends. All these people just need better friends.

• 1:40:36Speaker 02

  Like, yeah.

• 1:40:38Joe Rogan?

  You need, you need people around you that are like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

• 1:40:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:41Joe Rogan?

  Don't do that.

• 1:40:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. And just reassure them, just tell them, it's flat. Don't worry. Like, it is flat. You don't gotta worry about it.

• 1:40:48Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if it was, like, imagine if all those morons were right and then, uh, everybody, all these scientists, all these saddles, all lies.

• 1:40:55Speaker 02

  All in cahoots. They've all been in cahoots for this whole time. But even, what's his name? Was it Socrates or Aristotle? I think Aristotle that mapped it out back in three thousand years ago.

• 1:41:05Joe Rogan?

  This is my take on it. I firmly believe that at one point in time, there was a bunch of people that were uninformed that thought the world was flat. Way back in the day.

• 1:41:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:15Joe Rogan?

  Then they figured it out with experiments and then you look at all the other bodies in the solar system. Everything else is round. Kinda makes sense. You realize that this is how planets are formed, gravity, spins and the whole deal. Um, but then I think there's psyops. And I think a bunch of people went on there, just like they did with women with the free bleeding movement on 4chan. They convinced women to just fucking bleed all over their crotch. They convinced them and they did it by making it seem like a feminist thing. Like, fuck the patriarchy. I don't have to wear a fucking tampon. I'm gonna wear white pants. Fuck you. Look at my blood. You know, and then women actually went and did it. Because people will buy into almost anything. They just...

• 1:41:54Joe Rogan?

  There's a certain percentage of the population, whatever it is, that's so easily, they're so suggestible, they're so easily influenced. You could kinda talk them into almost anything. And I think that's part of where the flat earth thing got sidewaysed. Because I think, just like MKUltra used to exist, I think there's still some, let's find out how dumb they are experiments.

• 1:42:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. There's also just a lot of real dumb people. There's also just some people who like, they also wanna like... Think that everything's a cover up. I don't trust NASA. Like, why would I trust NASA? It's like, I don't know, why not? Like, like, we didn't go to the moon, so the earth must be flat.

• 1:42:33Speaker 02

  I guess if those two things are related, I don't know, I mean. Yeah, I just, uh.

• 1:42:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a lot of that. There's a lot of people that don't want to actually do research. They want to watch a YouTube video and then start talking about it. That's me. That's my favorite thing.

• 1:42:46Speaker 02

  Well, I'm with it, yeah, I'm with it too. Yeah, I like a good deep dive, but sometimes just give me the damn bullet notes.

• 1:42:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, sometimes I'm just fucking around and I'm not really serious about whether or not I care if it's real. I'm more interested to know about these emerald tablets. Like, where are they? Who's got them? What do they say? Like, I don't want to know. It's a hoax. But I'm only fucking around. I'm not like completely invested in it. But when you're, you start making videos about how you're correct and the world is flat and everybody else is wrong, like, no, that's, you're being, you're annoying. This is silly. Like, you're just not seeing things correctly. Like, yeah, there's a lot of lies. Yeah, there's a lot of conspiracies. It doesn't mean all of it. Okay, it doesn't mean the stars are actually lights in the sky. You know, a more interesting possibility is that it only exists when consciousness engages with it.

• 1:43:36Joe Rogan?

  And that that's, that's the real simulation theory. That's the real weirdness. That's, that's when things get like Tom Campbell, you know, the My Big Toe, the Theory of Everything. That's when things get really weird. When instead of conscious, consciousness is like a part of the creation of reality itself. That it's all integrated.

• 1:43:55Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 1:43:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  I don't like thinking about any of that stuff.

• 1:43:59Joe Rogan?

  He wears me out.

• 1:44:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't like the, like, space. I leave that alone. I don't know. I, space, um, cause also like what happened before? Like, and then what happened before that?

• 1:44:10Joe Rogan?

  Cause there's an, there's an environment before the Big Bang. I think they call it the environment. Isn't that what it's called?

• 1:44:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what did they call it? Brian Cox was explaining it to us. I was like, what?

• 1:44:23Speaker 02

  Oh, God, yeah.

• 1:44:24Joe Rogan?

  Like, they, all theoretical, of course.

• 1:44:26Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, yeah. Which is the problem, because then, like, sometimes it's just, I don't know. Like, I, I couldn't have that be, which, you know, great for, like, those people. I could not have that be my life. This is coming up with these theorems and, like, studying them, because you're never gonna get an answer.

• 1:44:42Joe Rogan?

  But it doesn't have to be you. I'm glad it's not you.

• 1:44:44Speaker 02

  Oh, well, yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 1:44:45Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad you do what you do.

• 1:44:47Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, yeah. Exactly. No, I'm, I'm glad that they do it. I'm just saying, like, for me, it would drive me.

• 1:44:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:44:53Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Because I can't, I have to, like, know an answer.

• 1:44:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:44:56Speaker 02

  I, I can't, I hate, like, hypotheticals and, like...

• 1:45:00Joe Rogan?

  Like string theory.

• 1:45:01Speaker 02

  Ah, I hate it. That, that, that could piss off. I don't need to know any about that.

• 1:45:05Joe Rogan?

  That one's weird.

• 1:45:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, any of that stuff. I like, I like, this happened on this day, this is who was involved, this is what happened.

• 1:45:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:45:12Speaker 02

  Hard, that kind of stuff.

• 1:45:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, space is the ultimate who the fuck knows, because we can only see so far. We see so far. But even so far is only so far.

• 1:45:23Speaker 02

  Well, and then they're saying, like, it's always expanding. Well, that's, that can't be true, because, like, what is it expanding into? If space is space, you know, if they're, if they're like, oh, it's like blowing up a balloon where everything's, okay, well, you're blowing up a balloon in a room.

• 1:45:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:45:36Speaker 02

  So what's the room that you're blowing the balloon into? And then that's in a bigger room, and then that's in this.

• 1:45:41Joe Rogan?

  And then there's the concept that it's actually finite. It's not infinite. It's some sort of doughnut shape. It's like...

• 1:45:48Speaker 02

  Good lord.

• 1:45:49Joe Rogan?

  Goes back around eventually.

• 1:45:51Speaker 02

  But then who made all that?

• 1:45:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:45:52Speaker 02

  Like, is there a God? Did God make this?

• 1:45:55Joe Rogan?

  Or is God the universe?

• 1:45:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, but then who made God? And then that bothers me.

• 1:45:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:46:00Speaker 02

  Like, who made that thing?

• 1:46:01Joe Rogan?

  Is that a thing that we think, that, like, because we were born and we die, that we have these biological...

• 1:46:11Joe Rogan?

  Limitations that we attach to the universe itself.

• 1:46:13Speaker 02

  That's, that's a very, yeah, that's fair. The, yeah, that we just, we see things as being built and destroyed.

• 1:46:20Joe Rogan?

  That there's always been something, well, wouldn't it be crazy if there wasn't something at one point in time? That seems even crazier than there always has been something. Cause if it's just something, if it's just the nature of everything, there is always something, right?

• 1:46:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:46:34Joe Rogan?

  It couldn't be nothing and then all of a sudden, everything. That seems.

• 1:46:38Speaker 02

  Because what started that, what kicked that off?

• 1:46:40Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:46:40Speaker 02

  What snapped its fingers like?

• 1:46:42Joe Rogan?

  That's McKenna's great line, Terrence McKenna had a great line about the difference between science and religion is that science only asks you for one miracle. I want you to believe in one miracle, the big bang.

• 1:46:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good one.

• 1:46:55Joe Rogan?

  It's a great line. It's, it's, cause it really is true. And it's funny because people would be incredulous about the resurrection of Jesus Christ. But yet they're convinced that the entire universe was smaller than the head of a pen. And for no reason than anybody's adequately explained to me makes sense.

• 1:47:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, no.

• 1:47:13Joe Rogan?

  Instantaneously became everything.

• 1:47:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:47:16Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Uh.

• 1:47:18Speaker 02

  I can't buy that.

• 1:47:19Joe Rogan?

  I'm sticking with Jesus on that one.

• 1:47:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:22Joe Rogan?

  Jesus makes more sense.

• 1:47:23Speaker 02

  It makes a hell of a lot more sense.

• 1:47:24Joe Rogan?

  People have come back to life, like in fact, you were, one of your videos was about a woman who was hung.

• 1:47:31Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:47:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Tell that one.

• 1:47:33Speaker 02

  Uh, was it Nancy Green or Ann Green? I think Ann Green. Yeah, she was, um, she had basically a miscarriage and, you know, at the time, it was basically like, oh, you're a witch. We're gonna kill you because your baby's not, it, it didn't live. So she just buried the thing, acted like nothing happened. They tried her, convicted her.

• 1:47:52Joe Rogan?

  So she had a miscarriage, buried the child and then caught her.

• 1:47:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, they caught her thinking that she had killed the kid.

• 1:47:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:47:57Speaker 02

  Like, why would you be just burying your baby? Like, they weren't really thinking that, oh yeah, she had a miscarriage. Um, hung her. I mean, as far as they're, they know she's dead, put her in a box, wooden box, take her to a mortuary and the guys, you know, getting her ready to prepare to bury her and she wakes back up after they start doing like they feel, well, they feel like a faint pulse. And they're like, oh my God, this woman's still alive, but she's not like coherent and alert. So they start giving her like a tobacco smoke enemas. Which, oh, it gotta be a great time.

• 1:48:28Joe Rogan?

  Whose idea? How do you go to that one first?

• 1:48:31Speaker 02

  Well, I don't know. I think, uh,

• 1:48:32Joe Rogan?

  I got an idea, bro.

• 1:48:33Speaker 02

  I mean, slapping the hell out of her probably was the first option.

• 1:48:35Speaker 02

  I got a tube and a pack of Marlboros. There it is. Yeah, pouring hot, yeah, they poured this, which I don't know, cordial? I think it's just some sort of like liquid.

• 1:48:43Joe Rogan?

  Any, is that what, just liquid?

• 1:48:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know what, I mean.

• 1:48:46Joe Rogan?

  Invigorating or stimulating preparation that's intended for medicinal purposes. Our term derives from obsolete usage.

• 1:48:53Speaker 02

  Basically, Robitussin.

• 1:48:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, some sort of alcohol, I think.

• 1:48:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, hoarded, or hot.

• 1:48:57Joe Rogan?

  Buffalo Trace, let's go lady. Rubbing her limbs and extremities, bloodletting.

• 1:49:02Speaker 02

  Always a good option.

• 1:49:03Joe Rogan?

  A pullets?

• 1:49:04Speaker 02

  Pultes?

• 1:49:04Joe Rogan?

  Pultes?

• 1:49:05Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't know about the pultes.

• 1:49:06Joe Rogan?

  What is that?

• 1:49:07Speaker 04

  A soft moist mass.

• 1:49:09Joe Rogan?

  A moist mass?

• 1:49:10Speaker 02

  So like, uh, so basically putting like a, like a hot, you know.

• 1:49:13Speaker 04

  Soft materials like cereals.

• 1:49:15Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:49:16Speaker 02

  Cereal?

• 1:49:17Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 1:49:18Speaker 02

  So they put oatmeal on her.

• 1:49:18Joe Rogan?

  Soft materials like cereals used as a base.

• 1:49:21Speaker 02

  So they put oatmeal on her tits.

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  They put a big bowl of oatmeal on her tits.

• 1:49:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:49:25Joe Rogan?

  Tobacco, they're just experimenting on this lady. The tobacco smoke enema to me is the wildest one. Like you went up her asshole with a cigar? Is that what you did? You weirdo?

• 1:49:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, like a, a backdoor Clinton.

• 1:49:35Joe Rogan?

  That's a guy that wanted to smoke a cigarette in the operating rooms. Like, I know.

• 1:49:38Speaker 04

  Blow some smoke up your ass.

• 1:49:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, that might be.

• 1:49:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh my God, that's literally it.

• 1:49:43Speaker 02

  You blow smoke up my ass?

• 1:49:45Joe Rogan?

  Blow smoke up your ass is supposed to be deceiving you.

• 1:49:48Speaker 04

  Well, that's probably, they probably found out it was some bullshit.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:49:51Speaker 04

  Are you still trying to do that shit?

• 1:49:52Joe Rogan?

  Ah, he's just an ass freak. That happened, because a lot of morticians have been freaks. Like, that's one of that famous Sam Kinison bit.

• 1:50:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:50:01Joe Rogan?

  It was one of the greatest bits of all time.

• 1:50:02Speaker 04

  She started talking after 12 hours?

• 1:50:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:05Speaker 04

  Started eating food?

• 1:50:06Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts.

• 1:50:07Speaker 04

  One month before she recovered?

• 1:50:09Joe Rogan?

  She came back from the dead? You're telling me Jesus can't?

• 1:50:13Speaker 02

  Well, Jesus was after three days. I feel like after three days, you're already stinking.

• 1:50:16Joe Rogan?

  People were tougher back then, bro.

• 1:50:17Speaker 02

  Well, that's true. 2,000 years ago, people were, they had some gumption to them.

• 1:50:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're probably also 2,000 years less evolved, so they're probably stronger.

• 1:50:27Speaker 02

  Stronger?

• 1:50:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like more robust.

• 1:50:29Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:50:30Joe Rogan?

  They were able to survive. If you survived two thousand years ago, I just would imagine like you're going through some tough times.

• 1:50:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:36Joe Rogan?

  You know, like you can't, you can't have like, there's no bad genes back then. Nobody makes it.

• 1:50:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, and Jesus went through some stuff by the time he hit thirty-three.

• 1:50:45Joe Rogan?

  I just think human beings probably, we're probably dealing with a very robust gene pool. The people that did live, you know?

• 1:50:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:50:53Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you go back earlier and earlier, like you go way back.

• 1:50:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz they were basically doing like survival of the fittest. I mean, it was, that was life, you know? If you have a kid who comes out all gimpy, you just throw that fucker off a cliff.

• 1:51:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're dead. You sacrifice them, you do it, they can't be held down. You know, the, um, I was watching this, um, YouTube clip yesterday on Cro-Magnon Man. Like the, uh, early Homo sapiens who killed off a lot of the Neanderthals, like the battles with the, like, there were just these massive fucking Icelandic type dudes that lived back then, like you had to be tough to survive thousands of years ago.

• 1:51:30Speaker 02

  Especially if you lived in the north like that.

• 1:51:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 1:51:33Speaker 02

  Can you imagine being a Viking, just living in like Iceland, Greenland?

• 1:51:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, your, your house is made out of sticks and there's polar bears outside.

• 1:51:40Speaker 02

  God. And it just sucks.

• 1:51:43Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, dude.

• 1:51:43Speaker 02

  There's nothing to do.

• 1:51:44Joe Rogan?

  Fuck.

• 1:51:45Speaker 02

  I don't know, I wouldn't like that one bit. I'm real glad I live right now. I would have liked to have lived a couple like decades back, I think. I feel, I think I'd be more comfortable, like in the seventies or eighties.

• 1:51:56Joe Rogan?

  I think you're perfect right here, dude.

• 1:51:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:58Joe Rogan?

  You get more research information now.

• 1:52:00Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:52:00Joe Rogan?

  Be harder to do your job back then and everybody would think you're bullshitting.

• 1:52:05Speaker 02

  Well, everybody already does, so I mean.

• 1:52:07Joe Rogan?

  Tony Tucker's full of shit, man. He's making stuff up about the past.

• 1:52:10Speaker 02

  That's what most people already think I'm doing anyways, which is fine, I mean.

• 1:52:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, how do you research it? Like, how do you find crazy facts?

• 1:52:18Speaker 02

  I just, well, one, just read like books constantly. So like I'll say like Napoleon. I'll just be like, all right, let me find a book on Napoleon, read about Napoleon. And I'm mostly just skimming through, looking to like find something that seems interesting. Or then I'll just Google like interesting shit about Napoleon and then read through it. Half of it's not true. So I gotta sift through that and then. Put it all together into like kind of a story and do it that way. But uh yeah, it's mostly just reading like articles online like um scholarly articles. I guess you'd say just like flipping through them until I find something.

• 1:52:54Joe Rogan?

  Imagine trying to piece through the truth of the seventeen hundreds. Just imagine. Yeah, I mean, right now, like try to figure out exactly what happened.

• 1:53:07Speaker 02

  It's um, I mean, there there was some good like, you know.

• 1:53:12Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 1:53:12Speaker 02

  Notating, notating what's going on, but yeah, but how would you know?

• 1:53:16Joe Rogan?

  You barely know.

• 1:53:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, really, you don't even have to go back, go back to the twenties.

• 1:53:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53:21Speaker 02

  Like who who now is gonna be like, oh, yeah, that did happen.

• 1:53:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah, but at least we have like photographs and stuff, but my point.

• 1:53:29Speaker 02

  True, true, yeah.

• 1:53:30Joe Rogan?

  Was gonna be now, now take it back a couple thousand years ago, like, good luck.

• 1:53:36Speaker 02

  Well, that's why so many people think some, you know, that have a hard time knowing for sure whether some people even existed, like Achilles. Like people, you know, still believe that he necessarily existed. I mean, they didn't believe that entire war happened until like relatively recently.

• 1:53:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, they didn't find Troy until like what year? Like Troy was supposed to be just a mythical place.

• 1:53:59Speaker 02

  Exactly. I I don't know a date. I'm thinking the fifties if I had to guess. I think it was like kinda close, but yeah, they they just knew.

• 1:54:06Joe Rogan?

  Less than a hundred years ago.

• 1:54:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think so. I mean, cause they.

• 1:54:09Joe Rogan?

  Which is nuts.

• 1:54:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, they just knew Homer, they just knew the eleid, the odyssey and all those things and thought it was all big time. Cause then if you know that that war is true, like once you've discovered that that did happen, then it's like, so was Achilles real? So it was like Agamemnon real? Like it's like hard to know, is Odysseus real? And then.

• 1:54:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:54:27Speaker 02

  But obviously there's things in there that aren't real, you know, Odysseus.

• 1:54:30Joe Rogan?

  That's what's weird, right? It's like there's some for sure fiction, I think, but maybe not. Maybe the world was way weirder back then.

• 1:54:38Speaker 02

  Maybe all those weird things got killed off?

• 1:54:40Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's the thing. It's like, maybe there were like, almost godlike creatures that existed that we are, you know, we wanna call Zeus or Hercules or maybe this is just like years and years and years of retelling stuff. Cause like Homer's take on Atlantis is one of the most fascinating. I'm, I've been obsessed with Atlantis, uh, ever since particularly I had Jimmy Corsetti on the podcast. And have you ever seen his videos on the Ri- Richard, did I say it Jimmy? Richard? Richard Structure? There's this area in sub-Saharan Africa that has all of the attributes of Atlantis, including its position.

• 1:55:22Joe Rogan?

  Where the mountains are to the north, where the rivers to the south, the concentric rings. It literally is the same size as described, the concentric rings. It looks like a complete anomaly. It does not look like something that's naturally occurring. And the entire area looks like it's, when you look at it from a, a, like an aerial satellite photo, it looks like it's blown out by water. Like immense amounts of water rushed through the land. Like the whole area looked, massive water erosion. Like when you look at it from above, it looks like it just got hit with the most fucking insane flood of all time. There's literally salt. There's white all around the area where this Richard Structure is, which was probably from the fucking ocean.

• 1:56:07Speaker 02

  Right, for sure.

• 1:56:08Joe Rogan?

  And it's this to this day, and also evidence of human habitation. They found pottery, they've had a bunch of things. But there's, it's a kinda sketchy area of the world and I don't think there's been a lot of like real excavation done there. But it, look at it from the top. It, I, I recommend everybody go to, uh, Bright Insights YouTube page and just watch some of the videos he has on it. And he's not saying it's for sure this, but he, and it's not just him, it's many other people. This is the area. Show it, um, the image of it from space. Because there's, it's crazy dude. It literally looks like how Atlantis was described with concentric circles.

• 1:56:46Joe Rogan?

  But crazier still is its position to the mountains which are in the north and the south where the river runs through is literally exactly as described. And if you look at the image from, but look how it all looks blown out, man. It all looks completely washed out.

• 1:57:04Speaker 02

  That is crazy.

• 1:57:06Joe Rogan?

  Watch how you go further out. Look at that, tell me.

• 1:57:08Speaker 02

  Oh, the whole thing.

• 1:57:09Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing.

• 1:57:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:57:10Joe Rogan?

  It looks like the whole thing is just scarred from water. Just a massive amount of water.

• 1:57:16Speaker 02

  That's crazy. So from a, yeah, that is so wild.

• 1:57:20Joe Rogan?

  From the position where it is, the description of it, the, the actual dimensions of it. Everything about it, man. Even the descriptions of it and like the colors of the rocks that are in that area. It matches so many details.

• 1:57:35Speaker 02

  Oh, it's in Mauritania, okay.

• 1:57:37Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that nuts?

• 1:57:38Speaker 02

  That is amazing. Look at, I mean, that's so.

• 1:57:41Joe Rogan?

  Again, shout out to Jimmy Corsetti because once, because Randall Carlson dismissed this. But I was like, how are you dismissing this? I don't understand.

• 1:57:49Speaker 02

  I mean dismissing it based on?

• 1:57:50Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't think that this is Atlantis. He thinks Atlantis is somewhere else. Maybe he's right. I mean, I don't know. Maybe there was more than one. I mean, when a bunch of people die at a time where you don't have phones and you know, you don't have computers. Like it's real possible that the myth of Atlantis, you're talking about like a civilization that existed at a certain point in time. And it might not have just been this one incredible city, but it's probably multiple cities that existed that just don't exist anymore. Just completely flattened. And then some people remembered this one. You know, that's also part of the equation that you have to like look at. When you see that kind of insane water erosion, like how much did people just have no recollection of?

• 1:58:33Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 1:58:34Joe Rogan?

  But it's all lines up numbers wise. This is what's nuts. Homer was talking about it being nine thousand years old. That's two thousand years ago. That's at the time of the Younger Dryas impact theory. It's the same time period.

• 1:58:48Speaker 02

  Right, so it lines up perfectly for it.

• 1:58:51Joe Rogan?

  It lines up perfectly. The description is perfect. The position is perfect. Again, I'm a moron. But don't listen to me. Go listen to other people that are interested in it. Because I, I became, I probably watched thirty videos on it. It's wild.

• 1:59:04Speaker 02

  That's so cool looking.

• 1:59:05Joe Rogan?

  It looks like Atlantis. It looks like the way they described it. God. There's so many people that are resisting. There's a really interesting thing in archaeology where there's, you know, there's not disrespectful to archaeology. It's an amazing thing. I'm glad you guys are out there. But there's a lot of people that do not want anyone to find something out before they have. And they do not want anyone to uncover something before they have. Especially if these people are not credentialed academics. They're not PhDs. They're not doctors or else I'm Dr. Smith and I'm out here finding this. You know, they, they don't want like regular people looking at Google images and going, hey, what the fuck is this? And let's go and do, and then like, let's look at the history of the description of the place.

• 1:59:49Joe Rogan?

  Actually, it lines up exactly. They don't want to have missed that. So they'll try to dismiss it with every fiber of their being rather than give ground and give credibility to these amateurs.

• 1:59:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what happens in like the, with like this true crime community people, you know, because they'll sometimes like bust a case wide open. Cops and detectives hate it because it's like, you're just a guy sitting on your couch at home and you did more than what I did. But you know, obviously like a detective has all these different cases, like they're not gonna, they're gonna make a few mistakes. And some probably do just not give a shit.

• 2:00:20Joe Rogan?

  Fucking ego.

• 2:00:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, but, but that's part of it is that they will just dismiss the leads that, because somebody will like call in and be like, hey, like, have y'all checked this person on this date? Like ask where they were and they're like, we did it. Don't worry about it. And of course they never did. So it is, so that is kind of similar situation like, like we want, we want to be the ones to find it, not you. So we don't care that you've gone out and done your own thing.

• 2:00:45Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:00:46Speaker 02

  And have a theory that may be true. I mean, it may be bullshit, but it may be true.

• 2:00:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that's interesting.

• 2:00:52Joe Rogan?

  It is very interesting. The whole thing's very interesting because clearly, uh, we don't have all the pieces of the puzzle laid out. And there are people that want to pretend that we do, and that's just not the case.

• 2:01:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:02Joe Rogan?

  There's just, there's too much weird stuff and there's too much time that passed. And the weird stuff is like Gobekli Tepe and these eleven thousand year old structures and a bunch of stuff that they're finding in Malta. The Malta stuff's nuts. But it's also, it's just, there's no way you can know. Like, if, if, if you, if you're an expert in like combustion engines and you want to break down, you know, the, the new, uh, Coyote five point O. That Ford makes and you're an expert in engines, I'm gonna listen to you. Because I don't know how it works. How does it work? Why is it so good? How's the supercharger work? And then it does what? Okay. And how do you control all that? And with the ECU and the traction control? Okay. Cause you're an expert in that, but you can't be an expert in the entire history of the human race.

• 2:01:44Joe Rogan?

  Because we don't have all the information. So you're bullshitting. You at least have to be kind of bullshitting.

• 2:01:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:50Joe Rogan?

  Like, we just found out super recently that there was human beings definitely in North America twenty two thousand years ago.

• 2:01:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:57Joe Rogan?

  Super recently.

• 2:01:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. I thought it was even fa- past like earlier than that.

• 2:02:02Joe Rogan?

  Could be. Maybe they've updated it.

• 2:02:04Speaker 02

  I thought, but well, maybe not, but yeah.

• 2:02:06Joe Rogan?

  Those New Mexico footprints, the New Mexico footprints, I believe are twenty two thousand years ago.

• 2:02:11Speaker 02

  So what did they think before that?

• 2:02:12Joe Rogan?

  Thirteen. They, that was Clovis first. That was the people that thought the Clovis people. But again, you don't fucking know.

• 2:02:19Speaker 02

  Well, it wasn't, I mean, that long ago when people found out about like the Vikings coming over to New England. I mean.

• 2:02:25Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:02:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was a somewhat recent discovery. I mean, obviously not like in the past couple of years, but it was not very well known that like Leif Erikson's, I guess it was Eric the Red. Yeah. So Leif Erikson like coming over, you know, five hundred years before Columbus.

• 2:02:41Joe Rogan?

  I know. Isn't that nuts?

• 2:02:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then they were here. I mean, they just didn't settle, so it's not significant, but you know, they were here. And the who knew? So who's to say that there weren't people way before them? And then there's all these different routes you can take. And there's ideas of like the Phoenicians coming or maybe the Egyptians like coming into South America. You know, even longer than that, like thousands of years ago.

• 2:03:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:02Speaker 02

  There's those theories, which, yeah, who knows? I don't know.

• 2:03:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's also all the stuff in the Amazon, right? The lost city of Z, like that stuff.

• 2:03:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:11Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:03:12Speaker 02

  That's amazing. Have you ever seen that movie?

• 2:03:13Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Yes. I read the book too.

• 2:03:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:16Joe Rogan?

  What's interesting about the story about the lost city of Z is that it all changed in a hundred years. So that's true. In the fifteen hundreds, that first guy goes, and he gives everybody cooties and he doesn't know. And then he come, they come back a hundred years later to see if he was telling the truth, and everybody's dead.

• 2:03:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:03:37Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's dead and all the cities are gone in one hundred years.

• 2:03:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:41Joe Rogan?

  And they're like, ah, he was bullshitting. We got there. There's no fucking cities made out of gold. The guy's an asshole. Because the jungle ate it.

• 2:03:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, which a hundred years is such a long time for like that kind of like.

• 2:03:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:52Speaker 02

  Vegetation and force. Yeah, I mean, that's not a, yeah, it's not the middle of the desert where, you know, the structures will last for thousands of years.

• 2:04:00Joe Rogan?

  I mean, what was that like? Cause I forget the gentleman's name who was the first explorer.

• 2:04:05Speaker 04

  Percy Fawcett.

• 2:04:06Joe Rogan?

  Thank you. Percy Fawcett? The first guy? No, that was the second guy.

• 2:04:10Speaker 04

  He's the guy that disappeared.

• 2:04:12Joe Rogan?

  Right. He's the guy that got ate in the movie.

• 2:04:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like the Rockefeller kid, yeah.

• 2:04:18Speaker 04

  It says he's the one that formulated the idea about a lost city named Z.

• 2:04:21Joe Rogan?

  Right. But who was the first explorer to the Amazon that reported these incredible cities? Cause that was in the fifteen hundreds. I think Percy Fawcett, no.

• 2:04:29Speaker 02

  Was it somebody like that?

• 2:04:30Speaker 04

  They found a document.

• 2:04:31Joe Rogan?

  It was a European guy who was a explorer who went specifically to try to travel the length of the Amazon River.

• 2:04:37Speaker 04

  This is the, it's believed to have been written by a Portuguese named How de Silva Gomires.

• 2:04:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:44Speaker 04

  Seventeen fifty-three.

• 2:04:45Joe Rogan?

  Seventeen fifty-three?

• 2:04:46Speaker 04

  That he had discovered the ruins of an ancient city that contained arches.

• 2:04:49Joe Rogan?

  No, there was a guy from the fifteen hundreds.

• 2:04:51Speaker 04

  This is what I'm reading it from Wikipedia.

• 2:04:52Joe Rogan?

  No, I understand. But there was, I was watching this, this video where they were talking about this guy who was initially from the fifteen hundreds, who was the first to describe what he saw there, and that he saw thriving populations, like incredibly sophisticated agricultural setups. Like, these people, they lived like in harmony with the rainforest in some strange way. Like, instead of, like, cause what the video was about was about, um. They were trying to reconcile how you could get enormous populations of people that lived in this area without the kind of agriculture that we assume you need to have in order to support these kind of populations.

• 2:05:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:05:31Joe Rogan?

  And so they did something different and integrated somehow with the rainforest. And it was also about that stuff that Hancock has talked about, terra prata, the type of soil that they had created, some man-made, like, composted soil.

• 2:05:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:05:45Joe Rogan?

  And they talked about this too, but in this documentary, they were going over the guy who came in the 1500s and the guy who visited, it might have been the Y-Files.

• 2:05:54Speaker 04

  I'm seeing a known Italian navigator, Christopher Columbus, enters the area in 1498, known as present-day Venezuela. Two years later, Pinzon sails into the Amazon. It's the same year Brazil's being accidentally found by Portuguese explorer Cabral, while en route to the Orient. Forty years later, a guy named Oriana, Orioliana?

• 2:06:18Joe Rogan?

  God, I wish I could remember the name of the guy.

• 2:06:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:21Joe Rogan?

  But the point is, the first people to go there that were Europeans that went back to Europe described these insanely sophisticated cultures that had millions of people living in it.

• 2:06:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:06:33Joe Rogan?

  They had huge populations.

• 2:06:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:35Joe Rogan?

  And they talked about the elaborate headgear they wore, like, the way they dressed, and there was gold everywhere. And so everybody was like, "Oh, we're gonna go back and get rich." And they went back and everyone was dead.

• 2:06:45Speaker 02

  That's so crazy. I mean, could you imagine, like, you'd feel like such a jackass, you know, having everybody come back there and you're...

• 2:06:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's essentially what we did with North America, not we, I mean, my grandparents, my grandparents came here in the 20s. But essentially, when Europeans came here, that's what killed, just disease killed 90% of Native Americans.

• 2:07:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:07Joe Rogan?

  Which is...

• 2:07:08Speaker 02

  I mean, it was the same in, like, the Indies, you know, whenever Columbus came and killed.

• 2:07:13Joe Rogan?

  Everywhere.

• 2:07:14Speaker 02

  Just massive amounts of people.

• 2:07:15Joe Rogan?

  Just like China did to us, just kidding. Just kidding!

• 2:07:19Joe Rogan?

  Not really, they didn't, but they killed a lot of things. But it's just bizarre that um we've missed that chapter and it wasn't until LIDAR um that they started to realize like, oh, there's like sophisticated grid work down here that seems to indicate that there was, that there's aqueducts, it seems like there's like places where there was channels and paths and.

• 2:07:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, we have like, I mean, there's obviously like a Eurocentric idea, but a lot of the times and where we think like, oh, we're the only ones who could have ever come up with like these advanced technologies and like have these advanced civilizations. And you look and it was like in Africa, there was all sorts of like massive civilizations and.

• 2:08:04Joe Rogan?

  Which is about the Aztecs.

• 2:08:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. And then of course, like, yeah, South America is a huge, I mean, like the Olmecs, Aztecs, Mayans, I mean, it's.

• 2:08:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, especially the Aztecs though.

• 2:08:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Aztecs is a giant.

• 2:08:16Joe Rogan?

  Their stuff is nuts, man. Their stuff was nuts. Like, can you imagine what experiencing that must have been like, the first people that were like Europeans that like stumbled upon these immense Aztec cities, like what is happening here?

• 2:08:27Speaker 02

  That was Cortez. Cortez was the first, I think, I think for the Aztecs.

• 2:08:31Joe Rogan?

  I think so, right?

• 2:08:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:32Joe Rogan?

  On horse, where they thought he was a god.

• 2:08:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:08:36Joe Rogan?

  That's the other nutty thing, that we brought horses over here. Like, what?

• 2:08:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:41Joe Rogan?

  Like, they used to be over here and then they all died off and then we brought them back.

• 2:08:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. God, no. That's so great. You know, Thomas Jefferson brought mac and cheese here.

• 2:08:51Joe Rogan?

  He's the guy?

• 2:08:52Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Made it popular. I mean, like, it was like, nobody ate that shit. He went to Paris, you know, obviously like for pre-American revolution to get some buddies going and uh, yeah, brought back mac and cheese. Also, like, one of the first Americans to cultivate tomatoes.

• 2:09:05Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:09:05Speaker 02

  People thought they were poisonous, which to an extent they are, I mean, it's.

• 2:09:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I was reading about that, like that you should be really avoid nightshades.

• 2:09:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a nightshade, that's what I was trying to remember. Yeah, yeah.

• 2:09:15Joe Rogan?

  But wait a minute.

• 2:09:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:17Joe Rogan?

  But they taste so good.

• 2:09:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:18Joe Rogan?

  How dare you?

• 2:09:19Speaker 02

  I mean, every Italian in this, in the world just, you know.

• 2:09:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I want to get like one of those uh, blood work thing done to see like what foods you're, you're supposed to not be eating forever. You know, it's probably horse shit, but you know, like for your blood type, you know that?

• 2:09:33Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:09:34Joe Rogan?

  I did one of those a long time ago and they told me to avoid avocados and I'm like, fuck you.

• 2:09:38Speaker 02

  What the fuck? Avocados are like, isn't that like good for everyone? Like, who the hell?

• 2:09:41Joe Rogan?

  That's what I thought. It was one of them wacky things where I was very skeptical going in. I'm like, alright, I'll try it. Let's see what I, what I shouldn't should be eating. Well, it seems like avocados. Like, what are you talking about?

• 2:09:52Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 2:09:53Joe Rogan?

  I'm not stomping guacamole bitch.

• 2:09:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, you know, I, I couldn't be.

• 2:09:58Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:09:58Speaker 02

  No, I can't.

• 2:09:59Joe Rogan?

  It's, there's no way it's that bad for you.

• 2:10:00Speaker 02

  Avocados are very good. Or I, from what I thought, nobody should be taking that advice.

• 2:10:05Joe Rogan?

  Genetic fucking defect would you have to have where avocados are killing you? That seems crazy.

• 2:10:09Speaker 02

  I mean, you know, peanuts, I mean, you know, Texas Roadhouse damn near had a, damn near went bankrupt over all that stuff.

• 2:10:16Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:10:16Speaker 02

  I'm kind of, I mean, but they don't do the whole.

• 2:10:18Joe Rogan?

  They should have sued the vaccine companies.

• 2:10:20Speaker 02

  Should have.

• 2:10:22Joe Rogan?

  But you can't.

• 2:10:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. But they don't do the whole, you know, you used to go in there and crush up your peanuts and you just dump that shit on the floor.

• 2:10:30Joe Rogan?

  I know. Isn't that nuts? They used to have them at, uh, Five Guys. You used to go to Five Guys and have peanuts.

• 2:10:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:35Joe Rogan?

  Not anymore. Everybody's dying.

• 2:10:37Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:10:37Joe Rogan?

  You can't even eat them in the room because if someone is near you that has a severe peanut allergy, that's why they don't have them on planes anymore. Remember they used to have them on planes?

• 2:10:44Speaker 02

  Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:10:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't even eat peanut, like, if you and I were sitting next to each other on a plane and I have a severe peanut allergy and you start eating them, I could die just sitting next to you. Breathing your peanutty air.

• 2:10:57Speaker 02

  God, what a great way to kill someone if you really wanted to and get away with it.

• 2:11:00Joe Rogan?

  Right. I didn't know.

• 2:11:02Speaker 02

  Just peanut dust someone.

• 2:11:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:04Speaker 02

  You just eat a PB and J and just.

• 2:11:08Speaker 02

  Pocket peanuts, just throw them on.

• 2:11:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you just have some smashed up peanuts you toss on them, like fucking anthrax.

• 2:11:14Speaker 02

  Great way to kill someone.

• 2:11:15Joe Rogan?

  It is nuts, like, for everybody else, it's just yummy part of Snickers and for you, it's basically anthrax.

• 2:11:21Speaker 02

  It is, because I'm allergic to seafood, like shellfish, any shellfish.

• 2:11:25Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:11:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:11:26Joe Rogan?

  You know, you're also allergic to roaches then? You can't eat roaches. And you know how we found that out?

• 2:11:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:32Joe Rogan?

  Fear factor.

• 2:11:33Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, really? That's what was from that?

• 2:11:36Joe Rogan?

  That's how I found that out.

• 2:11:37Speaker 02

  Well, because there is a thing where, uh, scientists who research cockroaches develop, usually tend to develop an allergy to coffee and to, uh, roaches and I think also to shellfish.

• 2:11:48Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:11:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, because they're, well, they're just studying roaches constantly, which what a fucking job.

• 2:11:53Joe Rogan?

  Ugh.

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  But, um, yeah, they end up be developing a coffee allergy. But, but yeah, that's interesting.

• 2:11:58Joe Rogan?

  Why coffee? Because they're just drinking coffee all the time?

• 2:12:00Speaker 02

  I don't know. I think, I mean, probably because the roaches are.

• 2:12:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:05Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:12:06Speaker 02

  Coffee being shared the same protein.

• 2:12:08Joe Rogan?

  Some people can develop an allergy to coffee if they're also allergic to cockroaches. So the becoming allergic to cockroaches, working with them is what makes them allergic to.

• 2:12:14Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:12:14Joe Rogan?

  So it's a trupomyosin.

• 2:12:17Speaker 02

  Trupomyosin.

• 2:12:17Joe Rogan?

  Trupomyosin.

• 2:12:18Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:12:19Joe Rogan?

  A common allergen. Cross reactivity means individuals allergic to cockroaches may also experience allergic reactions when consuming coffee. Particularly pre-ground coffee.

• 2:12:28Speaker 02

  See, in my mind, I thought it was because there was a bunch of cockroaches in pre-ground coffee.

• 2:12:32Joe Rogan?

  Ew.

• 2:12:32Speaker 02

  There's bugs and like all kinds of shit.

• 2:12:35Joe Rogan?

  There are ground up cockroaches in your morning coffee. Jesus Christ, you're right. Oh, no. Bug parts in ground coffee. So it's ground coffee. Just get some black rifle beans, kids. Stay away from ground coffee. Plus, ground coffee is for savages. Like, what are you doing?

• 2:12:51Speaker 02

  Oh, Folgers.

• 2:12:52Joe Rogan?

  Grind that shit up.

• 2:12:52Speaker 02

  No, you gotta, a good, good.

• 2:12:54Joe Rogan?

  You drink Folgers?

• 2:12:55Speaker 02

  I don't drink coffee, but if I did, I'd drink Folgers at Maxwell House. I don't know. I mean, I'm, I grew up poor and white trash.

• 2:13:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's, coffee's not expensive. It's only expensive at Starbucks.

• 2:13:06Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 2:13:07Joe Rogan?

  Like, regular coffee, but like, buy a bag of beans, get a grinder, pour hot water. Get it in one of these bitches, French press.

• 2:13:13Speaker 02

  My god.

• 2:13:14Joe Rogan?

  Push that down after a minute. Oh, wait a minute. You wanna hear it? Here, listen to this.

• 2:13:17Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:13:20Speaker 02

  That does actually sound, that sounds fucking incredible.

• 2:13:27Joe Rogan?

  Delicious.

• 2:13:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:29Joe Rogan?

  That's real coffee. You don't want that fucking ground up bullshit. Unless you do, unless, you know what's legit, though? Those little packets that Starbucks has, where it's, um, it's like instant coffee?

• 2:13:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:13:40Joe Rogan?

  They figured that out. They, they did a really good job of like, developing that formula. I think it's called, is it all called a Verro or something like that? What's that Starbucks instant coffee? It's very legit. Like, I've mixed it up with hot water on camping trips and hunting trips and stuff. It's like, this is pretty fucking good.

• 2:13:56Speaker 02

  That's not bad, man.

• 2:13:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's good. It's like, it tastes like real coffee.

• 2:13:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:00Joe Rogan?

  But I think, like, that was complicated to me. I don't think, like, the cheaper instant coffee has that kind of.

• 2:14:05Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm sure not.

• 2:14:06Joe Rogan?

  Because if you like coffee, like, I like the flavor. I like what it tastes like.

• 2:14:10Speaker 02

  Yes. I do, too. It just gives me panic attacks.

• 2:14:13Joe Rogan?

  Do you try the, well, and then there's the decaf.

• 2:14:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, decaf gives me a fucking headache, and I don't know how they did it.

• 2:14:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:14:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:19Joe Rogan?

  How are you doing that?

• 2:14:20Speaker 02

  Yes, like, what? Like, it's not like you can go in and pick out the cafe, you know, it's not like

• 2:14:26Joe Rogan?

  What are you doing?

• 2:14:26Speaker 02

  An ingredient in there, like, you're putting it through some sort of chemical process.

• 2:14:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:31Speaker 02

  Like, is that safe? I don't think so.

• 2:14:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and how many studies have been done on your decaffeination process?

• 2:14:37Speaker 02

  No, I just drink tea. I'm a big tea guy.

• 2:14:40Joe Rogan?

  Also, like, what, tea tastes better. If I was just gonna drink, like, if I had a, but also, tea, tea bags have microplastics. You been reading all that?

• 2:14:48Speaker 02

  Oh, well, I have so much plastic inside of me, I mean, who knows? I mean, the amount of Lunchables I've eaten as a growing up.

• 2:14:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've, I'm.

• 2:14:57Joe Rogan?

  I know, the amount of, um, times you put Saran Wrap over a microwave meal.

• 2:15:01Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, so many times. You just heat things up in, like, plastic that's all broken to shit?

• 2:15:07Joe Rogan?

  Always, always, yeah, and then it melts because you left it in there too long? Oh, shit, oh, well, it's okay.

• 2:15:12Speaker 02

  Oh, I've eaten food that tasted like burnt plastic. It sounds like, oh, I don't think this macaroni and cheese is supposed to taste like this, but...

• 2:15:19Joe Rogan?

  There was some sort of, uh, article that was saying that many human beings have as much as a plastic, like, coffee spoon worth of plastic in their head.

• 2:15:29Speaker 02

  In their head?

• 2:15:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, in their head.

• 2:15:31Speaker 02

  How's it get up there?

• 2:15:33Joe Rogan?

  Blood-brain barrier.

• 2:15:34Speaker 02

  Oh, Jesus.

• 2:15:34Joe Rogan?

  Microplastics.

• 2:15:36Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:15:36Joe Rogan?

  That mi- microplastics get in your bloodstream. It could be, like, the sky is falling! You're all gonna die from plastic! It could be. It's hard to know, because it's not like there, how many brains have you looked at?

• 2:15:48Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, and then also, like, it's not like there is an actual spoon shoved in your head. I mean, it's all spread out.

• 2:15:53Joe Rogan?

  It's all spread out, but also, like, do you have room for a spoonful of plastic in your head? Because I don't have any room up there.

• 2:15:58Speaker 02

  I think you do in your brain. Your brain's mostly water. I mean, not just you, I'm not, not insulting you, but, you know.

• 2:16:03Joe Rogan?

  What your brain filter looks like, if there's plastic everywhere? Concentrations we saw in the brain tissue of normal individuals had an average age of around forty-five, fifty years old were four thousand eight hundred micrograms per gram, or zero point four eight percent by weight. It's the equivalent to an entire standard plastic spoon in your fucking head. Compared to autopsy brain samples from two thousand sixteen, that's about fifty percent higher, he said. That would mean that our brains today are ninety-nine point five percent brain, and the rest is plastic.

• 2:16:36Speaker 02

  That's not bad. That's a good percentage. Point five percent's not bad.

• 2:16:41Joe Rogan?

  However, the current methods of measuring plastics may have over or underestimated their levels in the body, Campen said. We're working hard to get a very precise estimate, which I should think we will have within the next year.

• 2:16:52Speaker 02

  So it may be zero and it may be ten percent.

• 2:16:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sorry, there's no plastic at all in there. It's all in your balls. You have plastic in your balls.

• 2:16:59Speaker 02

  Oh, I need some of that.

• 2:17:00Joe Rogan?

  They found that. There's plastic in your balls. It plumps them up a little bit, like fake lips, you know?

• 2:17:04Speaker 02

  Which I need. Yeah, I need that desperately, so.

• 2:17:06Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, would chicks get fillers to hide their wrinkles?

• 2:17:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:17:10Joe Rogan?

  Plumps your balls up a little bit.

• 2:17:11Speaker 02

  I'm cool with it.

• 2:17:12Joe Rogan?

  Microwave dinner plastic.

• 2:17:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm fine with that.

• 2:17:16Joe Rogan?

  It's like, one, we were going over this. What was it? Every month? It was a credit card or a week?

• 2:17:22Speaker 02

  I've seen this.

• 2:17:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:24Speaker 02

  It's a month, I think. A credit card amount of plastic is consumed.

• 2:17:28Joe Rogan?

  I don't remember. It's a week or a month, but it's something crazy. We're like, where's it all going? Because I've been eating for a long time. Where are these credit cards?

• 2:17:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, you must. Do you not just shit out the plastic credit card?

• 2:17:37Joe Rogan?

  I would hope so.

• 2:17:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:17:40Joe Rogan?

  I would hope so.

• 2:17:41Speaker 04

  Remember how this was studied, though? I had to dig into it. And they had studied, like, an animal or something and found it in the animals and they were like, that's...

• 2:17:48Joe Rogan?

  Right, but animals are dumb as shit, right? They eat bottle caps. My dog eats everything.

• 2:17:52Speaker 04

  It was every week, is what it says.

• 2:17:54Speaker 02

  Oh, Jesus.

• 2:17:55Joe Rogan?

  My dog eats everything on the ground.

• 2:17:56Speaker 02

  I don't trust animal studies. The only way you can really know is if you try it on people.

• 2:18:01Joe Rogan?

  Right. That's why we've got to put them prisoners back in Alcatraz.

• 2:18:04Speaker 02

  Well, do what you gotta do. I mean, yeah.

• 2:18:06Joe Rogan?

  You hear that? Trump is opening up Alcatraz again?

• 2:18:08Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 2:18:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:09Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't know that. That's amazing. I mean, a grand opening.

• 2:18:14Joe Rogan?

  Look, the world's crazy. I like fun. And Trump saying he's going to reopen up Alcatraz is fun to me. Because I know that it's going to be like, wahhh! What's he doing? Wahhh! Trump says he'll reopen and large and rebuild Alcatraz. It's going to be the best Alcatraz!

• 2:18:32Speaker 02

  It's not just going to be Alcatraz.

• 2:18:33Joe Rogan?

  Alcatraz, we use a federal penitentiary since 1963. It had a capacity of roughly 300 people. Uh, I went there as a kid.

• 2:18:40Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 2:18:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they, when I was in, what grade was I? So I was, I was in San Francisco from age seven to eleven. So, I think I was eight years old. I went over there, have a little school trip. We went on a ferry, you go to Alcatraz, and you think about like how the fuck someone could swim. Cause there's a dude, Nick Diaz, a UFC fighter, he's done it five times.

• 2:19:01Speaker 02

  Swam from Alcatraz?

• 2:19:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, five times.

• 2:19:03Speaker 02

  I wouldn't do that.

• 2:19:04Joe Rogan?

  In shark infested water, by the way.

• 2:19:07Speaker 02

  You couldn't fucking pay me to do that.

• 2:19:09Joe Rogan?

  Fuck all that.

• 2:19:10Speaker 02

  I mean, I can swim like a motherfucker, but.

• 2:19:12Joe Rogan?

  But do you know the kind of balls you have to have to know that, you know, you don't have a life vest? You're just swimming. You have to be able to swim all the way to shore with sharks underneath you everywhere. And you know, if they bite you, you're dead, and you know, they bite people.

• 2:19:30Speaker 02

  I'd rather just be in prison, really.

• 2:19:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but he's doing it for funsies.

• 2:19:34Speaker 02

  Oh, you're talking about the Diaz?

• 2:19:35Joe Rogan?

  Nick Diaz does it in between MMA fights, he's doing this.

• 2:19:39Speaker 02

  Well, the Diaz brothers, that's a, a set of balls unlike, you know, like no other. Like those guys are legends, you know?

• 2:19:47Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 2:19:47Speaker 02

  In every sense of the word, so. That doesn't surprise me at all, actually, that they, you know, that they swim in from Alcatraz. Makes sense.

• 2:19:53Joe Rogan?

  People miss Nick's prime, cause Nick's prime, a lot of it happened in Strikeforce. Like, people missed that. That's when he was just like, just so dominant.

• 2:20:02Speaker 02

  So he came into the UFC kinda later into his career?

• 2:20:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, he started the UFC very early. So he knocks out Robbie Lawler early in his career, has some great fights early in his career. So he was in the UFC early on, but then left the UFC and went over to Strikeforce where I think he like reached his prime. Like when he beat Frank Shamrock and Cyborg, like he was in his fucking prime over there, like a world championship caliber prime. But that guy would swim across Alcat, from Alcatraz in between his, like, he's training for fights. And in between training for fights, he's running triathlons and hitting the bong while he's doing it. Like, it's hilarious. He's high as fuck running triathlons.

• 2:20:44Speaker 02

  You ever just see someone, you're like, you're so different than me?

• 2:20:47Joe Rogan?

  So different.

• 2:20:47Speaker 02

  Like, our lives couldn't be more, more different.

• 2:20:50Joe Rogan?

  My friend Cam Haynes right now is running a two hundred and fifty mile race with a broken foot.

• 2:20:58Joe Rogan?

  What? Bro, my foot was broken. I would get it fixed and I definitely wouldn't run. I might not ever run again.

• 2:21:05Speaker 02

  He's, he's doing half of the Daytona 500.

• 2:21:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:08Speaker 02

  On a broken foot.

• 2:21:09Joe Rogan?

  On a broken foot. In the mountains, going through the mountains.

• 2:21:11Speaker 02

  No, thank you.

• 2:21:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, thank, pass please.

• 2:21:14Speaker 02

  I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't even go do that fat boy 5K. You think I'm gonna be doing that?

• 2:21:20Speaker 04

  Courtney DeWalter's currently in second place. She's already run 48 miles today.

• 2:21:25Joe Rogan?

  That's so nuts.

• 2:21:26Speaker 02

  When did it?

• 2:21:27Joe Rogan?

  Courtney DeWalter is, uh, she, we've had her on the podcast before. She's an animal. A pure animal.

• 2:21:32Speaker 02

  So it started this morning? Is that what you said?

• 2:21:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:35Speaker 02

  And then 48 miles.

• 2:21:37Speaker 04

  She's behind by three miles right now.

• 2:21:39Joe Rogan?

  Who's ahead of her?

• 2:21:40Speaker 04

  A guy named Harold de Subertas.

• 2:21:43Joe Rogan?

  Does he win these things? There's like only a few people that, like she's one of them. Courtney's one of them. There's only a few people that win these things. A lot of people start off real fast, but you can't keep it up for three days.

• 2:21:53Speaker 02

  Could you imagine running 48 miles in a day and you're in second place?

• 2:21:58Joe Rogan?

  Not even a day.

• 2:21:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:59Joe Rogan?

  In like five hours.

• 2:22:00Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you imagine like you run 48 miles and like, well, you, you lost.

• 2:22:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, bro, you're way, you're three miles behind. Like, what?

• 2:22:09Speaker 02

  Uh, I'd, I'd, yeah, I'd put a shotgun in my mouth so quick before I did any of that.

• 2:22:14Joe Rogan?

  But we need people like you and we need people like them. That's the beautiful thing about the human race is that we're all so fucking different.

• 2:22:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:23Joe Rogan?

  You know, there's so many versions of humans out there and we should, really, we should celebrate that.

• 2:22:30Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 2:22:31Joe Rogan?

  That's a good thing.

• 2:22:31Speaker 02

  I love how different, like whenever I go back and look at like people from history or whatever, I, that's like one of the things I like the most about is like how I'm like, God, that person's night and day different from me. But that's so cool that they did what they did or, you know, whatever, like a Teddy Roosevelt. Like there's nothing about me that is like Teddy Roosevelt.

• 2:22:50Joe Rogan?

  How about that dude that ate that guy's heart that had been pickled for like?

• 2:22:53Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah. William Buckland. Yeah, he ate King Louie the 14th's heart, which, yeah, been.

• 2:22:58Joe Rogan?

  Tell that fucking story.

• 2:23:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, yeah, King Louie the 14th, just in general, an absolute nut job. The, you know, birthing fetish, like to watch women give birth, which.

• 2:23:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:07Speaker 02

  Don't, don't we all? But, yeah, um.

• 2:23:11Speaker 02

  But yeah, so he dies. A hundred and thirty years later, you know, his heart has been preserved in what I guess would be formaldehyde, and it's sitting in this guy's office, basically. And a fellow, um, I think he was like the Archbishop of Canterbury, I don't know, some lord of whatever their little fruity little names they give each other. But, uh, then this fellow named William Buckland comes in and who had kind of like a notorious big stomach, ate a lot of weird shit, and he saw the heart and was like, holy hell, that's the heart of King Louis XIV. I've never eaten the heart of a king before, so how about I just give it a try? And then they come in, come back in, and he's eating the damn heart.

• 2:23:52Joe Rogan?

  Raw?

• 2:23:53Speaker 02

  Well, preserved. I mean, it's about as preserved as it gets. It's been preserved for a hundred and thirty years.

• 2:23:57Joe Rogan?

  But he's not even cooking it. That's my point.

• 2:23:59Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no. He didn't have like a hot plate in there.

• 2:24:01Joe Rogan?

  Just pulling it out.

• 2:24:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it wasn't in the microwave.

• 2:24:03Joe Rogan?

  Imagine being in a room with that guy when he takes those bites. You'd be like, blech.

• 2:24:07Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 2:24:09Joe Rogan?

  You'd be retching, like, what are you doing, man?

• 2:24:11Speaker 02

  The smell of formaldehyde. Have you ever dissected like an animal or something?

• 2:24:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, in high school.

• 2:24:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That smell is like a smell that, I can smell it right now, thinking about it, you know? Like, it's one of those things that never leaves you. It's like a dead body smell.

• 2:24:23Joe Rogan?

  Biting into a raw heart with that smell? It's probably pretty tender.

• 2:24:28Speaker 04

  He tried to eat everything.

• 2:24:29Joe Rogan?

  He doffs this cat Victorian feud hero, a gentleman whose ambition was to eat an example of every animal in existence.

• 2:24:37Joe Rogan?

  Again, this Courtney Do Walter and Cam Haynes who are running 250 miles right now, and this dude is like, I wanna eat one of everything. I wanna eat a fucking rat.

• 2:24:47Speaker 02

  I mean, what a-

• 2:24:48Joe Rogan?

  This guy ate rats. He probably had rabies. He kept a pet jackal in his house. This guy had a jackal in his house. He built the country's first mosque, had a jackal in his house, he lived in a hut made from driftwood, dressed as a mermaid, and excommunicated his cat.

• 2:25:04Speaker 04

  That's somebody else, though. I really should have- There's a guy named Robert Hawker.

• 2:25:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, to the west. Fame Cornish poet, Robert Stephen Hawker, lived in a, so this is not him?

• 2:25:14Speaker 04

  He's just a bunch of weird guys that lived in that time, I think.

• 2:25:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so this is a different cat.

• 2:25:18Speaker 04

  Then it goes into that guy.

• 2:25:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this is a different cat.

• 2:25:19Speaker 02

  Not any of these were.

• 2:25:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I thought it was the same guy. Okay, this is just a bunch of weirdos all throughout history. So Charles, Major General Charles George Gordon.

• 2:25:28Speaker 02

  So it's the third paragraph starts the William Buckland, I think.

• 2:25:31Speaker 04

  These are all eccentric guys from.

• 2:25:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:25:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, so then right here Buckland was born. Yeah, I think that's all gonna be about him.

• 2:25:37Speaker 04

  This is also pretty good, though. Don't leave this out.

• 2:25:39Joe Rogan?

  Right. So this guy, Major General Charles George Gordon, a British Army officer whose day job saw him fight a series of bloody campaigns across the Middle East and Africa, yet was almost as notorious for believing the Earth was encased in a hollow sphere and that the Garden of Eden was located in the sea somewhere off the coast of.

• 2:25:58Speaker 02

  Seychelles.

• 2:25:59Joe Rogan?

  Seychelles.

• 2:26:00Speaker 04

  People believe that now.

• 2:26:02Speaker 02

  I.

• 2:26:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but this guy ate the heart.

• 2:26:08Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 2:26:09Joe Rogan?

  William Buckland, so the man who ate everything, born in 1784, a year in which famine in Japan claimed 300,000 lives and a massive locust swarm hit South Africa. Coincidous, of course, but it fits in the theme of this blog nicely, so I'm leaving it in. So this guy ate everything he could.

• 2:26:30Joe Rogan?

  Long shoot, he had his hand in a huge hyena skull. Suddenly dashed down the steps, rushed skull in hand, the first undergraduate on the front bench, and shouted, "What rules the world?" The youth terrified, answered, "Not a word." He rushed then onto me, pointing the hyena full in my face. "What rules the world?" "Haven't an idea," I said. "The stomach, sir," he cried, "rules the world. The great ones eat the less, the less, the lesser still." So he just thought he was gonna be great by eating everything?

• 2:26:58Speaker 04

  Here's some of the stuff he was eating.

• 2:27:00Joe Rogan?

  So his lifelong personal ambition, which is to eat an example of every animal in existence, like some kind of crazed, bloodthirsty Noah.

• 2:27:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, he ate a porpoise, a puppy, and a panther.

• 2:27:13Speaker 02

  Aw, alliterative.

• 2:27:14Joe Rogan?

  And that's just the peas. Mice on toast were a regular feature of his no doubt popular soirees. Oh, my God, he ate a porpoise and a puppy. Jesus Christ.

• 2:27:24Speaker 02

  I mean, the porpoise probably wouldn't be so bad. I'd eat the puppy. It's like veal, dog veal.

• 2:27:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I guess.

• 2:27:32Speaker 02

  I mean, I wouldn't necessarily eat.

• 2:27:33Speaker 04

  Like flagstones to this proof of myth, myth identifying the flavor as bat urine.

• 2:27:41Speaker 04

  How would you, how would you know that so quick?

• 2:27:43Speaker 02

  Well.

• 2:27:46Speaker 02

  I think he had a real good reason. But the eating the heart, I bet all those years of formaldehyde is probably quite tender, right? Yeah. Oh, it melts in your mouth like butter. What if it just tasted amazing for some reason? Right. What if it got you high? Oh, my God. Because that's how you find God.

• 2:28:00Speaker 04

  Says some guy had it. A guy had it.

• 2:28:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, Lord Harcourt. That's who I was, who I was talking about. Yeah.

• 2:28:05Joe Rogan?

  Esoterica. Imagine how mad he would be finding out some guy ate your heart that you've been saving?

• 2:28:10Speaker 02

  I'd be pissed.

• 2:28:13Joe Rogan?

  The worst thing Buckland ever ate, blue bottles. What does that blue bottles mean? Is that?

• 2:28:18Speaker 02

  It's a tie.

• 2:28:20Speaker 04

  About to find out.

• 2:28:20Speaker 02

  I had a fish starter at Mezzos. I think this is.

• 2:28:24Speaker 04

  Might be some sort of, uh.

• 2:28:26Speaker 02

  Is it just a joke by the way?

• 2:28:27Joe Rogan?

  Blue bottles. What could that be? Unless he's actually eating glass?

• 2:28:32Speaker 02

  I don't think that's what it.

• 2:28:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Portuguese man o' war. Oh.

• 2:28:37Speaker 02

  It's a pretty cool looking thing.

• 2:28:38Joe Rogan?

  Wow, that looks like a mermaid.

• 2:28:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:40Joe Rogan?

  Click on that one on the upper, yeah, right there. No, the one to the one to the right of that. Yeah.

• 2:28:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:44Joe Rogan?

  Look at that fucking thing.

• 2:28:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, I, I kinda do wanna eat that. I'm sort of with him on this.

• 2:28:51Joe Rogan?

  So is that like a jellyfish?

• 2:28:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, man o' war is a jellyfish.

• 2:28:54Joe Rogan?

  So that must be insanely toxic.

• 2:28:56Speaker 02

  But I think man o' war, aren't they like, yeah, like super venomous?

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Of course it's the worst thing ever. It's like literally could kill you.

• 2:29:05Speaker 02

  That doesn't seem like it'd be the worst thing, though.

• 2:29:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, he didn't eat everything. I guess he probably died along the way. Like, you can only do that for so long before your body says fuck you.

• 2:29:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I wonder how long he lived?

• 2:29:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, how long did that guy live? Find out how long that guy.

• 2:29:19Speaker 02

  Have you ever heard?

• 2:29:19Joe Rogan?

  How old was that guy when he died?

• 2:29:23Speaker 02

  Eighteen fifty-six? Oh, he lived for a pretty good amount of time.

• 2:29:26Joe Rogan?

  Pretty decent amount of time.

• 2:29:27Speaker 02

  Eighty-four to seventy-two.

• 2:29:29Joe Rogan?

  Pretty decent amount of time, eating everything he could.

• 2:29:31Speaker 02

  That's a ripe, ripe age for.

• 2:29:33Joe Rogan?

  Back then too, when there's no fucking doctors. The doctors are all guessing.

• 2:29:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, and just coming to your house, one after another and not washing their hands.

• 2:29:41Joe Rogan?

  You break your leg, they bust out a meat saw.

• 2:29:44Speaker 02

  Like, wash my hands, are you gay?

• 2:29:45Joe Rogan?

  They tie that fucking leg down and saw it off at the hip, and you're screaming. He'd tell you to bite a piece of leather. That was a doctor back then.

• 2:29:52Speaker 02

  They thought germs didn't exist.

• 2:29:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:54Speaker 02

  And Lister.

• 2:29:55Joe Rogan?

  Dirty fingers, pulling babies out, everybody's dying of sepsis. Nuts.

• 2:29:59Speaker 02

  Have you ever heard of a Tarrar? What's that?

• 2:30:01Speaker 02

  Tarrar was a guy, T-A-R-R-A-R-E, I think.

• 2:30:05Joe Rogan?

  What's this, Jamie?

• 2:30:07Speaker 04

  He kinda discovered dinosaurs.

• 2:30:09Speaker 02

  Jeez.

• 2:30:10Joe Rogan?

  What? Same guy?

• 2:30:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:12Joe Rogan?

  That ate everything?

• 2:30:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:14Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:30:17Joe Rogan?

  That's another fun one, that dinosaurs aren't real. That's a fun one.

• 2:30:21Speaker 02

  I can buy it to an extent because there are so many fakes.

• 2:30:25Joe Rogan?

  Here's the, the reality. In the early days of dinosaur research, there was two guys that were competing with each other and they were faking fossils. There, that's true. But also dinosaurs are real. But also, like, like, that alligator gar, that's a fucking living dinosaur.

• 2:30:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:30:42Joe Rogan?

  They used to exist, for sure.

• 2:30:45Speaker 02

  Well, some of the like, real big ones, you're like, they've never found one of those. They just find like a.

• 2:30:51Joe Rogan?

  Some stuff, right?

• 2:30:52Speaker 02

  They find some stuff and then they go, well, we think it probably looked like this based on its vertebrae looking like this. And when you go see the skeleton at a, you know, the Perot Museum or wherever, it's all, that's all fake. Like, that's, there's maybe one piece in there that's real.

• 2:31:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:31:07Speaker 02

  So I can kinda get the, I can get the skepticism behind that a little bit.

• 2:31:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:11Speaker 02

  But to say like, oh, the whole thing's. Like that there is no such thing as a dinosaur, that's bullshit.

• 2:31:17Joe Rogan?

  It seems silly that people would just lie openly about that, but there are some that are intact. Like they found some raptors intact, they found some stuff that's intact. Uh, I have a friend and his buddy found a fucking T-Rex in Montana.

• 2:31:30Speaker 02

  Completely intact, that's.

• 2:31:31Joe Rogan?

  I don't know how much of it they found, they found quite a bit of it though. To the point where they brought in a professional excavation and they, they pulled out this big ass fucking T-Rex.

• 2:31:40Speaker 02

  That's pretty.

• 2:31:41Joe Rogan?

  In Montana.

• 2:31:42Speaker 02

  Could you imagine?

• 2:31:43Joe Rogan?

  Bro, Montana used to be a part of the Great Inland Sea. There was a, there was a sea. And that, there's like seashells up there, which is nuts.

• 2:31:50Speaker 02

  Jesus, that's probably what like the Badlands were.

• 2:31:53Joe Rogan?

  I mean, what was it called? There was like a particular name for like the great, there was a North American like inland ocean.

• 2:31:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:00Joe Rogan?

  It is bananas, man.

• 2:32:02Speaker 02

  Ocean of America, yeah, that's a.

• 2:32:04Joe Rogan?

  And there's T-Rexes around it, like.

• 2:32:07Speaker 02

  That's, god.

• 2:32:09Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if there was like one point in the history, the western interior seaway.

• 2:32:15Speaker 02

  Oh, so that's what it looked like.

• 2:32:16Joe Rogan?

  A large island sea, inland sea that existed roughly over present day Great Plains of North America.

• 2:32:22Speaker 02

  Wow, that's.

• 2:32:24Joe Rogan?

  If there was a time that you could just, look at that, look at what it used to look like, that's so nuts.

• 2:32:30Speaker 02

  So there's a, yeah.

• 2:32:31Joe Rogan?

  And look at the Appalachians, like that's what America looked like. Florida was completely underwater. That's nuts, most of Texas.

• 2:32:38Speaker 02

  Back soon, yeah, yeah.

• 2:32:39Joe Rogan?

  Like where we are is like above water, but fuck man, that's crazy how much water there was.

• 2:32:44Speaker 02

  Okay, there's a good, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, so all of Texas is underwater.

• 2:32:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's the whole Texas. Oh my god.

• 2:32:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:51Joe Rogan?

  Like Nevada's not.

• 2:32:52Speaker 02

  And Tulsa's alright.

• 2:32:54Joe Rogan?

  Eh.

• 2:32:54Speaker 02

  They said they made it out.

• 2:32:56Joe Rogan?

  Massachusetts is okay. That is crazy to see how big that was.

• 2:33:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's.

• 2:33:01Joe Rogan?

  And there's all kinds of nutty shit that was living in that water too, man.

• 2:33:05Speaker 02

  Jesus, yeah, I mean, cause a gar is like the least of, that's like the, that's like a minnow compared to some of the shit that was probably around there.

• 2:33:11Joe Rogan?

  It's a chicken compared to like a, a, a great eagle.

• 2:33:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that.

• 2:33:17Joe Rogan?

  Like a host eagle, the eagles that hunted people in New Zealand.

• 2:33:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's so crazy.

• 2:33:24Joe Rogan?

  Eagles jack people. Fuck, man. They think that's why they went extinct?

• 2:33:29Speaker 02

  I hope they bring dinosaurs back.

• 2:33:31Joe Rogan?

  They probably are going to.

• 2:33:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, part of me is kind of against it, but then part of me is because Josh Parks, my favorite movie, so.

• 2:33:38Speaker 04

  They got a leather, did you see the someone's leather?

• 2:33:42Speaker 02

  T-Rex purse.

• 2:33:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're gonna make T-Rex purses. I'm gonna get a T-Rex fanny pack.

• 2:33:46Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 2:33:47Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 2:33:48Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 2:33:48Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna rock that shit.

• 2:33:49Speaker 02

  What, what more badass of a thing could there possibly be than a T-Rex fanny pack?

• 2:33:54Speaker 04

  I know, right?

• 2:33:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, T-Rex Crocs.

• 2:33:56Joe Rogan?

  Company claims leather made from sixty-six million year old dinosaur DNA is coming. I think, uh, some people are very skeptical about this. We should probably, uh, say this is. One of the things that the guys from, um, Colossal were telling me, the guys who resurrected the dire wolf.

• 2:34:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:34:14Joe Rogan?

  They were telling me, uh, Ben Lamb was telling me that when it comes to like DNA of dinosaurs, they don't really have DNA of dinosaurs, it's too old. They don't have like full DNA profiles, right? Or whatever you would call it. But what they will be able to do is sort of engineer a dinosaur, which is even crazier, like take, take the surviving creatures, like chickens, shit like that, that have dinosaur DNA, because chickens are full on dinosaurs. Take their, their, their DNA and engineer a T-Rex out of that.

• 2:34:47Joe Rogan?

  Or a raptor. A raptor like way smarter than a crow. How about that? Like hunting people through the woods, little five foot fucking creepy super lizard that can run fifty miles an hour.

• 2:34:58Speaker 02

  Clever girl. Yeah, that would be, uh.

• 2:35:02Joe Rogan?

  Dude.

• 2:35:02Speaker 02

  I'd love it. I hope they do.

• 2:35:04Joe Rogan?

  They could do that. They're really, like, if they can take human beings and integrate them with tardigrade DNA and have them become fucking superheroes.

• 2:35:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:15Joe Rogan?

  They can make a dinosaur.

• 2:35:16Speaker 02

  Man.

• 2:35:17Joe Rogan?

  They made a wolf, they made dire wolves, they made three of them.

• 2:35:18Speaker 02

  Which is insane. Crazy too.

• 2:35:20Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts. Like, they exist. They're like, I think they're like eleven months old now or something like that.

• 2:35:26Speaker 02

  Oh, it's that? Jesus.

• 2:35:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, they're, they don't, um, Ben Lamb told me he doesn't go around them anymore. Like, he bottle fed them when they were puppies, but then when they got to a certain age, he's like, ah, I think we're done.

• 2:35:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:39Joe Rogan?

  Like, after like four or five months, like, I think we're done. What was that, Jamie?

• 2:35:43Speaker 04

  The T-Rex DNA is sixty-six million years old. It dies, the DNA starts to go away as soon as they die, and the oldest preserved DNA on record currently is only two million years old.

• 2:35:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:54Speaker 04

  So it wouldn't be a T-Rex, I guess.

• 2:35:55Joe Rogan?

  So it wouldn't be a T-Rex, but they might be able to make exactly what we think a T-Rex was.

• 2:35:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:36:00Joe Rogan?

  But we, we would be really off, because we don't know what their tissue looked like. That's where it gets really strange. Like, all the stuff that rots away.

• 2:36:07Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:36:08Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever seen, like, an artist's depiction of what, uh, they take a hippo skull? Like, what an artist's depiction of what the animal could look like?

• 2:36:15Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:36:16Joe Rogan?

  It looks like a monster.

• 2:36:17Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, I would imagine.

• 2:36:19Joe Rogan?

  And then you see the reality, and it's like, oh, hungry, hungry hippo, big ol' sweetie.

• 2:36:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:36:23Joe Rogan?

  Hippo looks like a sweetie with cute little ears.

• 2:36:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:36:27Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:36:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:28Joe Rogan?

  But then artists have depicted it, like, if we didn't know what it looked like, maybe it looked like this.

• 2:36:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:36:33Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:36:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:35Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen?

• 2:36:35Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 2:36:36Speaker 04

  The meme says ale- how aliens would reconstruct it, so I, I.

• 2:36:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 2:36:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:36:41Speaker 02

  Well, still. Oh, okay.

• 2:36:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so like the one in the middle.

• 2:36:46Joe Rogan?

  But you could, like, if you came from another planet and you saw this, like, oh my god, this thing must have been a terrific-looking beast. Yeah. Oh, wow, the skull, how aliens would reconstruct the animal, and it's an elephant. Wow, oh, that's cool.

• 2:36:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:01Joe Rogan?

  I bet that's where the cyclops myth comes from.

• 2:37:03Speaker 02

  Seen elephant skulls?

• 2:37:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:05Speaker 02

  That actually makes per- I've never seen an elephant skull, so I had no clue there was.

• 2:37:10Joe Rogan?

  Do they have that big hole?

• 2:37:11Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't even know if it's.

• 2:37:12Joe Rogan?

  Where the trunk is, yeah.

• 2:37:14Speaker 04

  Elephant skull.

• 2:37:15Joe Rogan?

  I think it is, Jamie.

• 2:37:16Speaker 02

  That's gotta be, yeah. I mean, it makes sense, because the trunk just goes right to the mouth. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:37:21Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that has to be where the cyclops comes from. Has to, right?

• 2:37:25Speaker 02

  Has to, yeah.

• 2:37:25Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you found a female one that didn't have tus-

• 2:37:28Speaker 04

  I think it's listening to you, but.

• 2:37:29Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 2:37:30Speaker 02

  Elephants skulls, in spa- well, never.

• 2:37:31Joe Rogan?

  What'd you say, Jamie?

• 2:37:32Speaker 04

  Every, it, like, when I, I didn't even type in cyclops, and it was the first thing that was on top.

• 2:37:37Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it's because that's a theory that's been around for a long time.

• 2:37:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, there was.

• 2:37:41Speaker 04

  I know, but I've been noticing this happen.

• 2:37:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look, it says that right there, right there, Reddit, the cyclops is likely inspired by elephant skull.

• 2:37:45Speaker 04

  I've been noticing this happen a lot. You'll be saying something, and then the first thing I'll type-

• 2:37:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're helping us.

• 2:37:51Speaker 04

  It's auto-competing what you just said.

• 2:37:52Joe Rogan?

  They're fans of the show, Jamie. They're trying to help out.

• 2:37:56Joe Rogan?

  But it makes sense. I mean, if you found stuff from a long, what do you think, here's one that always gets me. Stores of giants.

• 2:38:06Speaker 02

  I want that to be real so bad. I mean, I want all this to be real.

• 2:38:09Joe Rogan?

  That the Smithsonian's been hiding the information. Those are the big conspiracy.

• 2:38:13Speaker 02

  Could be.

• 2:38:13Joe Rogan?

  Down in their basement, they've got like a ten foot tall human being. A race of giants that existed. Roamed the earth.

• 2:38:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:20Joe Rogan?

  David and Goliath's a real story.

• 2:38:24Speaker 02

  It just seems like they wouldn't be gone. They wouldn't be the ones that would have been killed off.

• 2:38:30Joe Rogan?

  Unless, in the cataclysm, like the Younger Dryas impact theory, there wasn't enough food. And they died off, you know? Because if you're that big, you need to eat a lot.

• 2:38:40Speaker 02

  So you think they were around like way long ago?

• 2:38:43Joe Rogan?

  Way long ago.

• 2:38:43Speaker 02

  They died off way long ago.

• 2:38:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, I don't think like recently. But I think like.

• 2:38:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:48Joe Rogan?

  It is, there's so many stories and so many cultures have these stories, even in the Bible, of a race of giants. Like, it seems like it couldn't just be big people.

• 2:38:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:39:00Joe Rogan?

  It seems like what they're talking about is something crazy.

• 2:39:02Speaker 02

  I guess it could be if you're just, because if you're just mythologizing, there's no way that's a word, but if you're just, you know, turning something that is real, this is the same with like a dragon. You know, people obviously just get inspired by things that are around them. They start to morph into things. I mean, there was no fire breathing animal flying around.

• 2:39:19Joe Rogan?

  Right. Probably crocodiles and shit like that.

• 2:39:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, crocodiles and then there are, you know, like cobras that spit venom, which obviously gets in your eyes, probably gonna burn like a son of a bitch. So like, there's like the fire myth, I mean.

• 2:39:31Joe Rogan?

  And people exaggerate.

• 2:39:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. So like, people will take somebody who is a big son of a bitch and they go, oh, well, let's, you know, exaggerate and say that the guy he fought was nine feet tall.

• 2:39:41Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:39:42Speaker 02

  Instead of six foot five.

• 2:39:43Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:39:43Speaker 02

  Which he probably was, yeah.

• 2:39:45Joe Rogan?

  But also, when you talk about races of these giants, you could also be talking about like people from Iceland.

• 2:39:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, who were naturally.

• 2:39:53Joe Rogan?

  Enormous Viking dudes.

• 2:39:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:55Joe Rogan?

  Who were always win those fucking strongmen competitions. You know, those guys are, there's giants up there, like.

• 2:40:00Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:40:01Joe Rogan?

  Four hundred, like the mountain from Game of Thrones, like that kind of person. So you think about that, that's that size human.

• 2:40:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:40:09Joe Rogan?

  There could have been a bunch of those around and maybe that's what they were talking about giants. Or there could have been like a specific race of humans. Like they keep finding these additional types of humans. Like they found Denisovans fairly recently. And then that other one that we brought up the other day, the big headed people. That's fairly recently. They've discovered that this is a completely different branch. That there may, I mean, but here's the thing, if they did find those, would they tell us? Like if archaeologists, like who would put the cap on that? If they found like a ten foot human under like a just gigantic dead human with a huge sword underground like. Would they, would they just say, we're wrong, giants existed? Or would they go, people can't handle this?

• 2:40:55Speaker 02

  That's a tough, cause that's the answer to there. That's the question for so many things.

• 2:40:59Joe Rogan?

  They might say people can't handle it. It's not outside the realm of possibility.

• 2:41:05Speaker 02

  I, I would say, yeah, they'd probably say.

• 2:41:08Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that infuriating?

• 2:41:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:41:10Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine if it was you? Now imagine you're out in West Texas, wherever you are, hanging out with your friends. And uh, somebody notices something in the ground. And you start digging and you pull out a fucking thigh bone that's this big. And you plop it down, you go, what the fuck is that? And then you got a buddy who works at the university nearby and he starts digging. He's like, hey dude, this is a fucking human foot. And he pulls out a human foot that's size thirty eight. You're like, what is going on, man? And so then you bring in some experts and like, holy shit dude, this is a giant. And then they do DNA tests, they find out it's a real, a real actual creature.

• 2:41:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm, I'm telling everyone.

• 2:41:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're gonna kill you, they're gonna kill you. The scientists will kill you, they're gonna run you off the road.

• 2:41:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:41:56Speaker 04

  All the longest or what I guess would be the tallest.

• 2:42:00Joe Rogan?

  The people have ever found?

• 2:42:01Speaker 04

  That they've ever found, it was found in China. It's supposedly about forty, four hundred years old. Would have been about sixteen, eighteen years old. The weird thing here is though that it says there was three drill holes found in the skull and they don't know why.

• 2:42:17Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, drill holes. How big was it?

• 2:42:20Speaker 04

  Uh, six-four.

• 2:42:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:42:22Speaker 02

  Oh, fuck.

• 2:42:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, back then, that was probably fucking huge.

• 2:42:25Speaker 02

  He said they found it in China?

• 2:42:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:42:27Speaker 02

  That, that's a giant.

• 2:42:28Speaker 04

  And they're calling it, yeah, they call it a giant.

• 2:42:30Joe Rogan?

  Might be Mongolian, you know?

• 2:42:31Speaker 02

  Well, well, just make it compared to the Chinese that are found it, they're probably like, holy shit, this is.

• 2:42:35Speaker 04

  Goliath is anywhere from modern day, maybe they say up to six-six, but like, taking it word for word from the Bible, it'd have been about nine-nine.

• 2:42:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what I always thought, that's what I always wondered.

• 2:42:47Speaker 04

  Weight size.

• 2:42:47Joe Rogan?

  Right, well, if you're, back then, nobody had any food, and the average man was probably like five-four, so if you've encountered some dude who's six-six, uh, uh, some big jack guy, that is a giant.

• 2:42:58Speaker 02

  That's a giant.

• 2:42:58Joe Rogan?

  And also, like, you gotta think, human beings, if they exist today, and they're six-six, they had a potential to be that big back then, they just didn't get the food.

• 2:43:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:06Joe Rogan?

  But if you are in some very nutrient-rich environment.

• 2:43:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, man. Both those guys played pro basketball.

• 2:43:13Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts.

• 2:43:13Speaker 02

  Mugsy, is it Mugsy Boggs?

• 2:43:15Joe Rogan?

  Mugsy Boggs, yeah.

• 2:43:16Speaker 04

  But there's smaller people that exist that can function and do stuff.

• 2:43:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, for sure. But what's crazy is that the potential for that guy, the Yao guy, who's, how tall is he? Or that exists in the human genome, right? That's not like we engineered them like we did dogs.

• 2:43:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:43:32Joe Rogan?

  Like, that exists. So maybe back then, if you had a ton of food, and you, you didn't have to worry about war, like, and people just kept breeding and growing and getting nutrient-rich, because the thing about people in the past was they didn't get any fucking food, man.

• 2:43:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:47Joe Rogan?

  Like, the average size of a guy who fought in the Civil War was, I think, a hundred and twenty-five pounds or something crazy like that.

• 2:43:52Speaker 02

  Five foot four and a, one-twenty, I think, is the thing.

• 2:43:54Joe Rogan?

  Nuts.

• 2:43:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:55Joe Rogan?

  Starving to death. Starving to death, shooting people with muskets.

• 2:43:58Speaker 02

  It's like a fourteen-year-old girl, I mean, that's like, yeah.

• 2:44:01Joe Rogan?

  Right? And all they needed was food. You know, you give them, you give them protein, and then they grow normal-sized, which is really wild.

• 2:44:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, 'cause there's tons of people that are well over seven feet. It's not like it's, I mean, it is an anomaly compared to.

• 2:44:14Speaker 04

  Speaking of, there's one guy in the Civil War, seven-six, he would have stood out a little bit, but everything, everybody else was five-eight, average five-eight.

• 2:44:21Joe Rogan?

  He was seven foot six in the Civil War. Holy shit.

• 2:44:24Speaker 02

  Is that, oh, that's not a picture of him, I guess. Yeah, yeah, never mind.

• 2:44:27Joe Rogan?

  But the thing about the stories in the Bible, though, it's like, these are like mystical giants, the Nephilim, you know?

• 2:44:35Joe Rogan?

  Look at this guy.

• 2:44:35Speaker 02

  He's a tall man. So he's, there you go.

• 2:44:39Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you do not want to box that guy.

• 2:44:40Speaker 02

  Seven six. Seven six.

• 2:44:42Joe Rogan?

  That's a big dude.

• 2:44:43Speaker 02

  Well, she must be pretty tall.

• 2:44:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:45Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 2:44:45Joe Rogan?

  She probably needed to do that big, take care of her.

• 2:44:47Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah, she can be handling this five foot eight guy.

• 2:44:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she can't be fucking with me.

• 2:44:51Speaker 02

  He's like, what are y'all do?

• 2:44:52Joe Rogan?

  She'll hold me down. I'll have to fight that lady to the death.

• 2:44:56Speaker 02

  No chance.

• 2:44:57Joe Rogan?

  She's a big man.

• 2:44:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44:59Joe Rogan?

  He's a big giant man to fuck her correctly.

• 2:45:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:45:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the, the stories from the Bible and the stories from like, you know, di- di- different, like even like the ancient Sumerian culture, like when they, they had the depictions of the Anunnaki and these big giant people.

• 2:45:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:13Joe Rogan?

  Like, what was that? Like, what is that all about? Like, is that a story about a thing that used to be real or is it bullshit? Because it seems like the more we uncover with ancient history, just like Troy and probably Atlantis, the more you realize like none of it was bullshit. It was just their version of trying to tell you the story.

• 2:45:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:32Joe Rogan?

  You know, and that this, all this stuff about the Nephilim, the Anunnaki and all, there's probably, is, is, there's some sort of a story. It's just parsing out what it really was after a thousand years of people just telling it before somebody writes it down.

• 2:45:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, I think it's more just, yeah, you know, you're getting word of mouth over so, like such a long time and, and it's probably exaggerated from the jump.

• 2:45:57Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:45:58Speaker 02

  Cause you're just trying to tell, trying to tell a story. Like creativity isn't a new thing, you know?

• 2:46:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:46:02Speaker 02

  People were always creative and.

• 2:46:04Joe Rogan?

  And always lying.

• 2:46:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, and always lying and always trying to like.

• 2:46:07Joe Rogan?

  Exaggerating.

• 2:46:08Speaker 02

  Use their imagination, exaggerate, yeah, and, and ultimately to create some sort of allegory.

• 2:46:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:46:13Speaker 02

  So, I don't think any of it was true. I think it was all just, you know, they, I think it makes sense how it all got created and how every culture has their own version and.

• 2:46:24Joe Rogan?

  To me, it's like an echo of the truth. It's like there's an, there's an echo there, like, God, what was the original thing? What was it all about?

• 2:46:32Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:46:32Joe Rogan?

  Cause like there's an echo to a lot of it, a lot of ancient stories and a lot of religious stories too. They're just like, man, I, I think something was going on. And I think this is the echo of like this historical.

• 2:46:48Joe Rogan?

  Depiction of probably something real that went down like the Noah and the ark story. I think that's a historical, that's a depiction of that flood that we saw that wiped out Atlantis.

• 2:47:00Speaker 02

  Without a doubt. I mean, that's part of the epic of Gilgamesh. It's a giant flood. I mean, that's the oldest story ever written that we know of. I mean, and it's not the only one that depicts a massive flood.

• 2:47:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:12Speaker 02

  Pretty much every religion that's that old has some story involving a flood and.

• 2:47:17Joe Rogan?

  I think, I think when you apply that to all the other stories too, you should probably assume that it wasn't fiction. It might not be accurate because of all the factors that we already laid out because of people. But it's probably the echoes of a real story.

• 2:47:33Speaker 02

  Well, the flood is, yeah, so I do think that, because that's part of allegory is like taking something that is real and then you, you just make like a, almost a fairy tale out of it. But like you still have the, because you're telling, in that sense, you're like saving history, like you're preserving history, but you're not doing it in the sense that we would, as we would do it now where we would like dictate time and date and names and stuff. You're just saying, oh, there was this great event that happened in your, our ancestors' time and.

• 2:48:02Joe Rogan?

  And if they figure this out, imagine if they figured out all these things thousands and thousands of years ago. Then you have the flood, the impacts, society has to rebuild. Then you're telling these stories over and over and over after all this time.

• 2:48:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:14Joe Rogan?

  That would kind of account for a lot of things.

• 2:48:16Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 2:48:17Joe Rogan?

  And one of them would be that God created the universe in six days.

• 2:48:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:22Joe Rogan?

  Because like, what is the big bang?

• 2:48:24Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:48:25Joe Rogan?

  What is six days? Like, what are you saying? Like, what does that mean? Is it just a short amount of time? Is that what you're trying to say? Is that like seventy-two virgins? You know, when they say seventy-two virgins in heaven, they don't really mean seventy-two virgins. It's like a fuckload. It's like the way of saying a fuckload. Like, when you say God created the universe in six days, like, maybe that means, maybe that's the big bang. Like, maybe you're literally talking about the birth of the universe.

• 2:48:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:48Joe Rogan?

  In a very short period of time.

• 2:48:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. It could, yeah.

• 2:48:51Joe Rogan?

  Just shot, boom. If the universe is infinite, it's been around forever, what is like that quick burst? What is that?

• 2:48:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, that's, yeah, that's, I mean, that's how.

• 2:49:01Joe Rogan?

  If you were trying to recall that story.

• 2:49:02Speaker 02

  Right, you would say, yeah, on this day, this happened, this day that happened, but ultimately, it's just day after day after day, and then seven day you rest, and otherwise, yeah.

• 2:49:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if you were trying to explain the birth of the universe that happened, that like, people were talking about it for thousands of years, then someone wrote it down on clay tablets, thousands of years later.

• 2:49:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:23Joe Rogan?

  These are just the memories of some ancient knowledge where people really had reached a level of sophistication that we could only imagine.

• 2:49:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:31Joe Rogan?

  And they were just flatlined, right back to cave people again.

• 2:49:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, that's what, yeah, cuz like Greek mythology, all those mytho, it's like, an actual birth, like, there's, it all happens, starts with like, there's darkness, and then there's light.

• 2:49:45Joe Rogan?

  Yup.

• 2:49:45Speaker 02

  And that's like a common theme with pretty much every religion, every mythology is, there was a sea of darkness, then there was light, and.

• 2:49:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what if that's their version of the description of the big bang?

• 2:49:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's just turning on a light.

• 2:49:58Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's how you describe the big bang to someone who has no concept of science, like, no idea, like, what are you talking about? Atoms, what?

• 2:50:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:50:04Joe Rogan?

  What, molecules, subatomic particles, what the fuck are you even saying?

• 2:50:07Speaker 02

  Exactly, you'd be like, yeah, imagine walking into a dark room and flicking a light switch, and suddenly, everything's here.

• 2:50:12Joe Rogan?

  There was light.

• 2:50:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, that's the common theme throughout any of those religions.

• 2:50:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I think the appeal of like a page like yours, and the kind of, that kind of thing, it's like, people always love to learn cool shit, and interesting shit.

• 2:50:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50:28Joe Rogan?

  You know, whether it's interesting shit about the, the universe, or UFOs, or crazy people throughout history, guy who wrote outlaw Josie Wells being a piece of shit, like.

• 2:50:40Speaker 02

  I mean, the KKK is just not good, they aren't big enough assholes.

• 2:50:44Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, it's such a good movie, it sucks.

• 2:50:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is, I mean, and yeah, it's not like you can't watch the damn movie, but.

• 2:50:50Joe Rogan?

  You gotta separate the man from the art.

• 2:50:51Speaker 02

  Always.

• 2:50:52Joe Rogan?

  And then also, there's a bunch of other influences, I'm sure, where they wrote the script and changed a bunch of things.

• 2:50:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I, people love learning shit, you just gotta make it interesting.

• 2:51:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:02Speaker 02

  School, I hated school, but I had a couple teachers that made it interesting, and I loved every day going to those classes, every other class could get fucked, I was trying to skip, I was trying to do whatever I could to get out of there, like.

• 2:51:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's unfortunate, right? It's like enthusiasm of the teacher is so important and the competency of the teacher is so important.

• 2:51:20Speaker 02

  It makes, like I had a teacher, Mr. Simmons, it was a high school history teacher. And every day would tell like a story kinda similar to that, like, or not every day, but every day before like a big test. He would, that's how he started off, like, clear your minds, like, don't worry about this test, like, I'm gonna tell you some. And he had like this real deep, like booming voice. It was like the most fascinating shit ever. And he would just, he would just tell this story that had nothing to do with the test, it doesn't matter, like, he's like, this is just interesting. Like, y'all would like this, it's fun.

• 2:51:48Joe Rogan?

  Those people are so important.

• 2:51:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, he's, that's, yeah, that guy like probably inspired me to do all kinds, like more, probably, yeah.

• 2:51:55Joe Rogan?

  It didn't, it took until I was long out of school before I really started getting interested in learning things.

• 2:52:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, I didn't start really just diving into shit until after school. Like, I, I felt like I, all the way through school, through college, you know, got my degree and all that. I don't think I learned a damn thing. I learned that college was a waste of time, that's, that's the only thing I learned.

• 2:52:17Joe Rogan?

  You learned how to get some student debt.

• 2:52:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, yeah, yeah, that's all, I mean, I didn't learn a fucking thing about, from any of that.

• 2:52:24Joe Rogan?

  But they'll tell you that that's the only way to go.

• 2:52:26Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:52:26Joe Rogan?

  Which is just like, how do you know, we're in space?

• 2:52:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:52:29Joe Rogan?

  But this is crazy, like, the, the, the, the people in the nineteen hundreds figured it out forever, it can't be improved upon? Are you fucking sure?

• 2:52:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's crazy, man.

• 2:52:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, listen, brother, uh, it was really fun talking to you.

• 2:52:40Speaker 02

  Thanks, man.

• 2:52:41Joe Rogan?

  I really appreciate it, I really appreciate your channel, it's very fun. Um, and now you know, um, mind blowing stories from history and pop culture, Cody Tucker, out now. Uh, really fun talk to you, brother. Let's do it again sometime.

• 2:52:54Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 2:52:55Joe Rogan?

  All right, thanks, sir, thank you. Bye, everybody.

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