#210: Strength & Honor - America's Response Monument LTG(R) John Mulholland & Longtab Brewing Founder Dave Holland

On September 11, 2001, America was attacked. Nearly 3,000 lives were lost. As night fell, the world waited as America planned their response. Within weeks, a small force of Green Berets, CIA Paramilitary Case Officers, 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment flight crews and Army Rangers would launch one of the most extraordinary unconventional warfare campaigns in military history. The first Special Forces units who touched down in Afghanistan would forever become known as the Horse Soldiers. Twenty-five years later, their legacy stands at Ground Zero, where a lone Green Beret on horseback remains in permanent overwatch of the Twin Towers, their memory and the legacy of all those lost. From the base of the Horse Soldier statue in New York City’s Liberty Park,Fran Racioppi https://www.linkedin.com/in/francisracioppijr/ sat down with retiredLieutenant General John Mulholland https://www.linkedin.com/in/jfmulholland/, who commanded 5th Special Forces Group on September 11 and led America into Afghanistan. LTG Mulholland shares his firsthand account of the attacks, the mission into Afghanistan, and the extraordinary effort to bring America’s Response Monument to Ground Zero. Also joining us isDave Holland https://www.linkedin.com/in/longtabdad/, Green Beret and founder ofLongtab Brewing https://www.longtabbrewing.com/, whose personal connection to 9/11 and service in Afghanistan inspired Strength And Honor, an American Strong Ale honoring the Horse Soldiers and their legacy. This is America’s response, a tribute to the men who achieved the impossible, and a promise that their service and sacrifice will never be forgotten. Strength and Honor! De Oppresso Liber! Highlights: 00:00 Introduction 02:00 General Mulholland’s 9/11 Response 05:41 The First Infiltrations into Afghanistan 08:37 The Horse Soldiers’ Legacy 10:02 The Story Behind the Statue 14:13 Bringing the Monument to Ground Zero 18:40 The “Strength and Honor” Beer Tribute 22:05 Supporting the Green Beret Foundation Quotes: "We're going to war in Afghanistan."“This will be an unconventional war.""Smoking a hole in the mountainside doesn't do me any good. We can't replace the hook. We can't replace you. We damn sure can't replace that A-team.""We are here. We are here with you. Get us up there where we can do some damage.""It took an entire team working together.""That needs to be on Ground Zero in permanent overwatch of the Twin Towers."“There was no other name that it could be other than Strength and Honor." Follow theJedburgh Podcast https://www.instagram.com/jedburghpodcast/ and theGreen Beret Foundation https://www.instagram.com/greenberetfoundation/ on social media. Listen on yourfavorite podcast platform https://pod.link/1558608802, read on ourwebsite https://greenberetfoundation.org/the-jedburgh-podcast/, and watch the full video version onYouTube https://www.youtube.com/@jedburghpodcast as we show why America must continue to lead from the front, no matter the challenge. A portion of all proceeds from Strength and Honor is donated to the Green Beret Foundation, supporting America’s Special Forces Operators and their families of all generations.

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• 0:02Fran Racioppi?

  On September 11th, 2001, America was attacked. Nearly 3,000 lives were lost. As night fell, the world waited as America planned their response. Within weeks, a small force of Green Berets, CIA paramilitary case officers, 1/60th Special Operations Aviation Regiment Flight Crews, and Army Rangers would launch one of the most extraordinary unconventional warfare campaigns in military history. The initial Special Forces units who touched down in Afghanistan would forever become known as the Horse Soldiers. 25 years later, their legacy stands at Ground Zero, where a lone Green Beret on horseback remains in permanent overwatch of the Twin Towers, their memory and the legacy of all

• 0:46Fran Racioppi?

  those lost. From the base of the Horse Soldier statue in New York City's Liberty Park, I sat down with retired Lieutenant General John Mulholland, who commanded Fifth Special Forces Group on September 11th and led America into Afghanistan. General Mulholland shares his firsthand account of the attacks, the mission into Afghanistan, and the extraordinary effort to bring America's response monument to Ground Zero. Also joining us is Dave Holland, Green Beret and founder of Long Tap Brewing, whose personal connection to 9/11 and service in Afghanistan inspired Strength & Honor, an American Strong Ale honoring the Horse Soldiers and their legacy. This is the story of America's response, a tribute to the men who did the impossible, and a promise that their service and sacrifice will never be forgotten.

• 1:31Fran Racioppi?

  Strength & Honor, Dale Preseoli there. Follow the Jedburgh Podcast and the Green Beret Foundation on social media, listen on your favorite podcast platform, read on our website, and watch the full video version on YouTube as we show you why America must continue to lead from the front no matter the challenge. A portion of all proceeds from Strength & Honor is donated to the Green Beret Foundation, supporting America's Special Forces operators and their families of all generations. General Mulholland, Dave, we're here at the Horse Soldier statue, the tribute to America's response to the 9/11 attacks. You just had a beautiful ceremony spearheaded by yourself and a number of other senior leaders

• 2:14Fran Racioppi?

  from USAC and the Special Forces community, but you were in command of Fifth Special Forces Group on 9/11 25 years ago today. Talk about that day.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  Obviously, a hard day, a terrible day. I had just taken command of Fifth Group in July, so I was brand new to the group. I had been a team leader and company commander, P Team Commander in Fifth Group, but I left in 1986, so I had not been touched the group since then, so I didn't know anybody. So in those early days, I was still just trying to figure out who's who, you know, where are my strengths, where are my weaknesses, all the things a commander would want to go through, get to know his people. My biggest challenge at the time was we had no money. SF was really poorly resourced back then, I mean terribly, but I had already seen training deficiencies I wanted to get after, and so my whole, my major effort then was, how do I get money? Who do I have to go see?

• 3:08Speaker 01

  I had to go to Tampa, Bragware, to get money until that day. That day, I had finished doing PT, had come home to get cleaned up. My wife, Miriam, was always had Good Morning America, I think, the show, the new show she had on in the morning for her to watch. And I came down, started coming downstairs, she said, "Hey, our plane just hit one of the Twin Towers." And I was still on the stairs, and I, the thought that went through my head was, God, this gotta be a horrible mistake, because in my mind, in my memory, I recall that either during World War II or thereabouts, a B-25 Army bomber flew into the Empire State Building. Terrible accident. And that came to me for some reason, like, oh, it's gotta be a terrible accident.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  And while, before I can even finish that thought, because we're looking at the TV, I'm on the stairwell, the second plane went in the towers. And, and of course, it was horrific. And the first words delivery out of my mouth was, "We're, we're going to war in Afghanistan." And I'm not even sure why I said that. I mean, we, I, we knew of Bin Laden, we knew he was a threat, but we were primarily focused on the classic Middle East where most of the terrorism was coming from then. We weren't focused on Afghanistan at all, but with what I hadn't known from other assignments and about Bin Laden, I just thought, God, that's where we're going. First thing I did was call the group headquarters, said, get all the leaders together, we'd

• 4:35Speaker 01

  have a, you know, a command group, and we're gonna start, without waiting for anybody, we're gonna figure out what to do. My biggest focus then was trying to find out as much information as I could, and nobody knew anything, of course, nobody knew anything. But I wanted to figure out who the best four teams in the group were, called our leaders together, and we were having those discussions. We picked four teams, and I said, okay, I, I'm not gonna wait for anything, I'm gonna put teams into isolation right now. I know there's tons we can't give you, but there's, as we all know in SF, there's a lot of admin and fundamental tasks, even in isolation, to get started. I wanted to get started, didn't want to be late in case someone said, because my heart, I honestly believed that this would be the kind of war that we're suited for, this will be an unconventional war.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  You got guerrilla groups, the different ethnic groups of Afghanistan that were still holding out against the Taliban and Al Qaeda, they were on their last ropes, they weren't, you know, they were, they were losing. So it just made sense to me, but it was just pure instinctive response. Maybe it was hoping that, hey, we'll get the call. That was the focus in the early days.

• 5:41Fran Racioppi?

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• 6:24Speaker 01

  October 16th is the first infiltration.

• 6:26Fran Racioppi?

  So October 16th, and we get in the aircraft with the pilots of the great 1/60th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, and we drop a couple of teams into Afghanistan. So just talk about that night and what winning.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Well, and I'll break it into two parts, because there's two pieces here. The April, the October 16th infiltration was actually a CIA pilot team that had SF guys on board, and we're gonna fly them into an LZ in the Hindu Kush to link up with the Uzbeks, to put a pilot team in with, with agency paramilitary officers in with there to prepare the ground for the rest of the teams to follow into that part of the country. In the eastern part of the country, the agency had already had the Northern Alliance Liaison Team, agency officers, operating with the Tajiks in the Panjshir Valley. So that team went in the night of the 16th, one slick, it was, you know what the DAPs are, right? The Defense Beyond Penetrator helicopters.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  We D-DAPPed the DAPs because we had hooks, but the hooks were too big for the LZ. We took all the armament off the MH60s, and they flew the infill. And everybody was really unhappy with this back at Fort Bragg, but that's what we did. And then the night of the 19th was when the two first ODAs went in, Triple Nickel into the Panjshir Valley in the far east, and 595 into basically the same area in the Hindu Kush, south of Muzarri Sharif, with Uzbek and General Dostum as the commander. And that began it all. We then experienced a terrible, exactly seven days of the worst weather we'd ever seen.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  And even though we flew every night to get more teams in, they had to come back. And it was heartbreaking for the night stalkers because they thought they had failed, and I, they, they were phenomenal, and I said, no, smoking a hole in the mountainside doesn't do me any good, we can't replace the hook, we can't replace Hugh, we damn sure can't replace that A-team, I'm happy to know that you're professional enough to know when to come back. It's a rehearsal, we'll do it again. And then a week, literally, after a week of this horrible sandstorms upwards of 50,000 feet, just incredible conditions, the weather finally broke, and then we, well, we started putting more teams in. That first week with those two ODAs on the ground, beginning to build rapport, and trying to begin combat operations as soon as possible with the Tajiks in the east and the Uzbeks

• 8:48Speaker 01

  in the west, and as is kind of revealed in the movie 12 Strong, General Dostum was very reluctant to let the ODA go forward because he was so afraid that if any of them got wounded, we'd quit. And Mark Neuch and his team were great at trying to convey to them, hey, look, we are here, we're here with you, get us up there where we can do some damage.

• 9:09Fran Racioppi?

  Well, there's a whole generation of guys like me who saw that on, saw the pictures. We saw the pictures, I was a junior in college, and said, hey, that is where I'm going. I'm not gonna go be a journalist in Iowa anymore. I'm gonna go.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  Is that the plan?

• 9:27Fran Racioppi?

  That was the plan. Well, I didn't say Iowa, but you gotta start somewhere. But it was, I'm not gonna go be a journalist anymore, I'm going to the Army, I'm gonna become one of those guys. And so we watched, you know, guys, guys like Mark, his teams, initially on horses, and then with the power of the US Air Force, dropping more teams in there. You know, we successfully, over the course of a couple of months, defeated what was the construct of the occupied.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 9:50Fran Racioppi?

  So true SF missions.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 9:52Fran Racioppi?

  And we fast forward a couple of decades, and we gotta think about how we remember those guys, we gotta remember that response, and certainly a lot has transpired in Afghanistan since, but this statue had to get here. And I live here in New York, live here and now live right outside of New York, and when people come to visit, I take them here.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  Good.

• 10:13Fran Racioppi?

  Because this is a spot that's not well-known. Everybody knows over there, but there's a reason this statue's here. You were the driving, one of the driving courses behind getting this statue here, not only getting made, but also being placed in this very spot.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, so Kenny. Absolutely.

• 10:27Fran Racioppi?

  Explain for a second why this statue was so important, number one, to make, and the significance of where it sits right here.

• 10:34Speaker 01

  These, while we were still fighting, unbeknownst to us, the sculptor Dal Blumberg, who actually would do this, saw one of those pictures of guys on horseback. And he's a famous sculptor over many genres of sculpting, but his heart is an equestrian sculptor. And he's sketched a statue, the horse was perfect, with a GI on its back that was abysmal, Kevlar helmet, M1, M16 rifle. Whoa, that's terrible. He sent it to my deputy commander, who was my rear detachment commander, Frank Hudson, great Green Beret, so mad at me for not

• 11:18Speaker 01

  taking him forward. But he was a stellar officer, years with the group. And I said, Frank, I need you back here because we don't know what's going to happen and how bad it could get. And I need someone back here who absolutely knows this group, knows the families, and knows what white looks like, not worry about it, to get that done. So Frank gets this image, and he sends it to me. And of course, we're busy, we're fighting, and tells me the little story that this guy wants to do this statue. I said, That's wonderful, Frank. First of all, the soldier sucks. So he goes, he's a horse guy. He said, Well, he's not a soldier guy. Something to talk about later. We're just too busy. Time passes, we're coming near the end of what turns out to be our rotation after the Battle of Anaconda, and the teams are now starting to cycle back, and 595 goes back. And

• 12:02Speaker 01

  we pick up that thread again, and we put the sculptor in touch with 595, with Mark Douche and Bob Pennington and the team. That evolves to basically an image that you see there, because now he knows what white looks like, because exactly what the guys are, were quicker kids up like. General Lambert, my good friend, who was then two-star commander of First Special Forces Command, started an effort to raise money to find someone to help do that, because you can't do that in uniform. That's not, you can't do that. But to try to find somebody who's willing to take this on to create a statue. I think initially for Jeff, that was successful, but then

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Iraq kicks off, and all the air goes out of anything about Afghanistan, which is a shame. It's a shame, because from Mulholland's perspective, the opportunity for us to win that war was lost, because the attention got shifted away. Different story. But relevant to the horse soldier, the energy kind of goes out of that. When I became the CG of SF Command, so now years later, that iconic image, I mean, that's like, and my 595 brothers love it, because they think that's about them. I'm like, It's not about you. That iconic image, that's the whole regiment, that's reflective of the creativity, the ingenuity, the relentless pursuit of victory of a special forces soldier,

• 13:26Speaker 01

  and more so, represented the entire task force, which included my CIA brothers, 160th, AF SOC, National Intelligence Team, intelligence professionals. This for them, because the power of our victory was not this because of great ODAs, who were central to it. It was the irreplaceable piece. But it took an entire team working together, focused on the image general, is why we were so powerful, and winning that, our phase of the war. And so, a man who's become a dear friend of mine, the G Chief for New York City, man named John Brown, who was then working for a senior executive in UBS, financial company, had come down to offer his services

• 14:11Speaker 01

  pro bono by veteran financial experts, to help us with a problem that had emerged, where some of our Gold Star families were being duped and taken advantage of by unscrupulous lawyers, and taking their money. Men who should burn forever. And they were going to come down and offer pro bono assistance to our Gold Star families to help manage by it. In the course of that, I told him the story about the pieces of the World Trade Center that we, because he's a native New Yorker, that we buried right in Afghanistan, you know that story, pieces of the World Trade Center, I guess, to teams to carry in, bury, send us the coordinates, have a little ceremony. But we took those coordinates, I wanted to build a map, which we did, of where all those

• 14:55Speaker 01

  burial locations were, to take back to the cops, the firemen, and the Port Authority Police Department, so they knew that we knew what we were there to do. He's crying, I'm crying, because it's very emotional. And I said, I'll tell you one other thing, I'm like, I gotta get done. I goes, I got a horse soldier statue that I want on Ground Zero. And he goes, What? I've shown him, I said, that needs to be on Ground Zero in permanent overwatch of the Twin Towers. And I said, But I can't do it, because that, not allowed to do anything like that. And John Brown goes, I'm your man. Just like that. And from that point on, I said, He became my G Chief, because he knows New York. And you talk about the tribes of Afghanistan, the tribes of Iraq, they're awesome, but they don't compare to the tribes of New York City. And you gotta know it. And he knows it. So

• 15:39Speaker 01

  that began, he took that for action. Another great retired SF Colonel, Andy Anderson, my brother, a great 5th Group guy, knew each other from the Q course on, but now retired, he kind of became my, our go-between, because they had the time to do that kind of stuff. And John undertook a fundraising effort that was just phenomenal. Mostly New York businessmen, who lost friends, saw friends coming out of windows. It was personal for them, but others as well. I mean, other great, Gary Sinise is a donor. I mean, people saw that, the power of that image. And then the issue became, all right, how do we get that on Ground Zero? Because no statues had been allowed to that point on Ground Zero. In fact, as far as I know, it's still only, the third one

• 16:24Speaker 01

  just got added this past week. But I told Mike Donovan, the guy who I told you is the auxiliary chief for the underground movement, he's the head engineer for Ground Zero, when I told him the story, that he was also an Irishman, John Brown's an Irishman, I'm Irish-American, so we got that going. But Mike's son, Tim, was in a Q course, headed the 5th Group. So, all right, man, I'm hitting all the, we're hitting on all the stars here. And Mike said, Here, this is what, it's got to be here. And we don't want the statue on 4th Pride, we don't want it on 4th Campbell, we get it. We want it where Americans are going to see this, where international visitors are going to see it, and take heart, or take note, whatever one applies, every day. And that's

• 17:08Speaker 01

  what we hope, that's the vision is, and that that guy's always in overwatch over those Twin Towers. And Mike said, Man, we were going to make that happen. It took 10 years. The statue got put together on 2011, if I remember correctly. It went up in the Veterans, the famous Veterans Day Parade in New York on 5th Avenue. It was, it went up, it made its debut going up that parade route. It lived in three, two other locations before this was ready. We had to get permission from the wonderful Greek Orthodox Church of America in New York, because the site we're sitting on, that it's on, is the original site of the Greek Orthodox Church, that was completely

• 17:48Speaker 01

  demolished by the towers. But they owned that land. And so we went to the patriarch, had a meeting with him, and said, Holy, this is what we want to do. And we'd like your blessing on it. And he said, One condition. If you invite me to the dedication. I said, You will do the invocation. And with that, when this site was ready, I migrated between two different locations over the years. One night, John, Mike Donovan and his team, sun came up the next day, and that thing was bolted in place right there. And it was a done deal. Done. Eventually, they brought the sphere back, which had been sitting here and damaged by the falling building, that's why it's

• 18:30Speaker 01

  ruptured. But they brought the sphere back up here as the second statue. And then, like I said, there's one down here by the Greek Orthodox Church, which they've rebuilt there, that end of Liberty Plaza here, which is the name of the plaza. That's it. And ever since then, America's Response Monument, its formal New York name, my formal naming of it was Deopressa Libere, because we got to do our, no kidding, mission for the first time ever, liberate the oppressed. That's what we did. But of course, colloquially, it's the horse soldier can't help itself. It's the horse soldier statue. So, it's a lot.

• 19:08Fran Racioppi?

  It's the coolest place in New York.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  So, for me, it is.

• 19:10Fran Racioppi?

  Me too.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:11Fran Racioppi?

  So, Dave Holland, longtime friend of the Jedburgh Podcast and Green Beret Foundation, and the founder and owner of Long Tap Brewing. Wow. You know as well, that's the top beer out there. Especially, it's Schenberg beer is my favorite. He sends me cases of it.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  It's amazing, yeah.

• 19:27Fran Racioppi?

  Don't believe him when he tells you he can't ship beer, he can ship beer.

• 19:29Speaker 01

  All right, all right, all right. You're on the hook now, bro. I know, man, they're going to get to Jedburgh.

• 19:36Fran Racioppi?

  The Jedburgh one's good. So make sure the boss has some. But Dave, you decided this year for the 25th anniversary of 9/11, that you were going to make a beer specific to this, and it was going to be a tribute to General Mulholland, the 5th Group mission, and the Soldier's Day.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know, I've been thinking about this beer for a long time, because I knew the 25th anniversary was coming up. You know, this was something that, those events on 9/11, they affected me personally, because I was a Green Beret that went into Afghanistan, you know, the following year. And also, I don't know if I ever told you this, but you know, I went to architecture school. I studied this out. I saw them fall. It was, it meant, it meant a lot to me. A couple of years prior to 9/11, I came here as an architecture student, and went up and had the grand tour of the whole place. I had pillars in me at the top, just a couple of years before they fell. And so, there were so many layers of meaning for me to do this beer, and especially because of the friendship that I've developed over the years with, with General Mulholland.

• 20:37Speaker 02

  I knew that I wanted to do a beer, I wanted to do something to commemorate the 25th anniversary of 9/11. And so, we did a beer that we released today at Tapper, and we call it 25, has a picture of the towers on it. Also, and just the facade, I think I sent you those. But then, I also wanted to commemorate, that, you know, a lesser known fact that the general public doesn't appreciate, I think, as much, is those first ODAs going into Afghanistan, you know, which you were in trouble to, too. And so, I wanted to highlight that. And so, we did a beer. There was no other person that I think that we could have done this beer with, except you. And there was no other name that it could be, other than Strength and Honor. You know, so every time that General

• 21:21Speaker 02

  Mulholland texts me, it signs off, Strength and Honor. So, to me, it was a no-brainer. You know, it's just, we just had to put all the pieces together, make it happen. And here we are.

• 21:32Speaker 01

  Amen.

• 21:32Speaker 02

  So, thank you, sir.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  Your ship on this, and your.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  By my honor, that's my pleasure.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  Do this?

• 21:37Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, so.

• 21:39Fran Racioppi?

  And the beer's coming out.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 21:41Fran Racioppi?

  In the next October 16th.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  October 16th.

• 21:44Fran Racioppi?

  This is a Friday this.

• 21:45Speaker 01

  Friday this, you got your right.

• 21:46Fran Racioppi?

  To commemorate America's response.

• 21:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 21:49Fran Racioppi?

  We've tried it. Well, a lot of it is. All right.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Don't expect nothing less.

• 21:55Fran Racioppi?

  And, and sir, appreciate the opportunity to hear your story sit down with you in this place.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  That my pleasure. Thank you.

• 22:01Fran Racioppi?

  And many, much long, long ago, you were in one of your roles and, and I was chasing General Linder around, which you know is not easy.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  No, he hard man, he about well.

• 22:09Fran Racioppi?

  Oh, still today, trying to do the same thing, but would do look forward to talking to you again and coming down, talking more about your career, your perspective to where we are today as a regiment, the important aspect that this organization and Green Berets have played over the last 25 years in our nation's history and how important they're going to be to moving forward.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  Hey, man, we're happy to add it. You're good.

• 22:32Fran Racioppi?

  Good. Enjoy the rest of your time.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

• 22:36Fran Racioppi?

  We've got.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  One other detail I forgot to mention is that this is raising money for the Green Beret Foundation.

• 22:41Fran Racioppi?

  I know. Good. Yeah.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Excellent.

• 22:42Fran Racioppi?

  I'm gonna get in trouble with my boss. So absolutely. So all have so proceeds from the sale of the beer going to the Green Beret Foundation. Yeah. So make sure.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  And care about brothers, Kansas.

• 22:52Fran Racioppi?

  Yeah, but in families. Yeah. Good. Thank you, guys.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  For our landlord.

• 22:57Fran Racioppi?

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• 23:38Fran Racioppi?

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