First Lady Jill Biden Reveals All (Pt 2) Life-Changing Lessons on Fear, Faith, Hardship & Hope

FIRST TIME EVER, First Lady Dr. Jill Biden is here with you and me, in person in this incredible Pt 2 conversation on the Jamie Kern Lima Show! And she’s opening up and sharing things she’s never shared before…including revelations and updates on President Biden’s health, exactly what was happening during the infamous debate with President Trump, her son Hunter Biden’s newly explosive momentum (will he run for office?), and her view from the former east wing. Her life, her incredible career and her legacy that’s still very much in the making! We truly talk about all the things, and no questions are off limits! I even ask her the ones you’ve submitted and she answers them…all of them! She’s truly revealing all, and shares stories, behind-the-curtain insights and life-changing lessons she’s never shared before! Get ready to cry, to be in a bit of shock and to gain soul-filling inspiration! And when I say we talk about all the things, we truly talk about all the things! From questions on regrets, to President Biden’s health, to exactly what happened that night during the debate with President Trump, to how was it possible no one knew President Biden had stage 4 cancer, to the state of our country. From HER incredible life so far, to how she’s handled it all, from the devastating loss of one child to cancer and having another battling addiction…to how she handles haters and critics and friends who betray her…to how she and Joe summitted the highest peak possible in politics…the White House… She has a brand new book out called View From The East Wing, you can get it anywhere books are sold and it’s also on Audible where the first lady herself reads it to you. And Today, she’s opening up like never before and nothing is off limits! Also, I’m so grateful for your love and loyalty to this show, and there’s something I want to quickly share personally from me to you. I’ve had republicans, democrats and independents on this show - ranging from First Lady Michelle Obama in a special 3-part interview to actor Kelsey Grammer sharing his support of President Trump to James Talarico, one of the most momentous rising stars in politics right now. The intention of this show is to be a force for good and a force for love…I have guests on that might vote differently, love differently or pray differently from you and me because I believe: To heal humanity through love, we must first understand the humans who make it up! I am SO Happy you are here…no matter how you vote, you love or you pray, you belong here! And I have to say, I’m so excited to share today’s conversation with you! And if you could take 2 seconds and hit the subscribe button on the ap you’re listening or watching on…that way you’ll be the very first to get every inspirational episode! And whether you're joining me today for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast family. And remember this episode is not just for you and me. Please share it with every single person that you know because it can change their life too. ____ Chapters: 0:00 Welcome to The Jamie Kern Lima Show 6:31 Will Hunter Biden Decide To Run For President? 11:01 New! President Biden’s Cancer Update 16:50 First Lady & President Biden On Handling Fear Right Now 23:47 Sneak Peek President Biden’s Upcoming Book 24:58 President Biden & President Trump What Really Happened In The Infamous Debate? It’s such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note: I am not a licensed therapist, and this podcast is NOT intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional. Click ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to Subscribe to the YouTube Channel Follow me here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Sign up for my inspirational newsletter for YOU at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ jamiekernlima.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Looking for my books on Amazon? Here they are! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WORTHY⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Believe IT⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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  He was diagnosed with stage four metastatic cancer, prostate cancer that has spread to his bones. How is he doing right now?

• 0:11Speaker 01

  I think the combination of everything has taken its toll.

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  One of the questions on everyone's mind right now, what his most recent prognosis is.

• 0:23Speaker 01

  He just had scans.

• 0:25Speaker 00

  Coming up in this incredible part two episode with First Lady Dr. Jill Biden. First Lady Dr. Jill Biden. I had a feeling you might wear blue.

• 0:35Speaker 01

  Oh, it's my favorite color. The medications are hard.

• 0:40Speaker 00

  What is the long-term prognosis that they say?

• 0:44Speaker 01

  They said.

• 0:46Speaker 00

  Are you scared?

• 0:49Speaker 01

  Scared that he's going to die.

• 0:51Speaker 00

  How are his spirits?

• 0:54Speaker 01

  Stage four cancer really slows you down. And I've seen that. And, you know, he just doesn't ever get up and say, God, I feel great today.

• 1:07Speaker 00

  Do they say, will he need to continue to be on medications?

• 1:10Speaker 01

  Forever.

• 1:11Speaker 00

  Forever?

• 1:12Speaker 01

  Forever.

• 1:13Speaker 00

  That have side effects and that are really difficult?

• 1:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  Yeah.

• 1:16Speaker 01

  They're not God. And you know what? They don't want to be God. And they don't want to be wrong. He's always been the strength of our family.

• 1:25Speaker 00

  Do you or him ever cry over it together?

• 1:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:29Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  I'm not, well, of course, this interview, you started right in and I started to tear up. But basically, I mean, I am not a crier.

• 1:39Speaker 00

  A couple of things I have to ask you because people want to know, the moment in the debate with President Biden and now President Trump, you talk about wondering in that moment live, is he having a stroke or was he drugged? Were there any steps taken after to rule out?

• 1:57Speaker 01

  I mean, I was, had so much anxiety about it. Joe and I both had a team of doctors around both of us at all times. And he had a team, I had a team.

• 2:08Speaker 00

  Were they able to definitively rule out he did not have a stroke that night? What does your gut tell you happened?

• 2:18Speaker 01

  That is my honest to God, true answer.

• 2:22Speaker 00

  And there's no way anyone could have, God forbid, laced his drink or something?

• 2:26Speaker 01

  Who knows?

• 2:26Speaker 00

  Who knows? Right? Who knows? President Biden's book comes out in November. Anything, a sneak peek tease, you can tell us about it? Well, First Lady Dr. Jill Biden made history as the first First Lady to hold a full-time job as a college professor, while also serving in her full-time role in the White House and across the country as our First Lady. She's carried unimaginable tragedies and loss, from losing her son Beau to cancer, to her other son Hunter battling extreme drug addiction, to now President Joe Biden being diagnosed with stage four metastatic cancer.

• 3:11Speaker 00

  And she has a brand new book out called View from the East Wing. You can get it anywhere books are sold. And it's also on Audible, where the First Lady herself reads it to you. And today, she's opening up like never before, and nothing is off limits. I am so happy you're here and so excited for this conversation we're having together today with First Lady Dr. Jill Biden. The intention of this show is to be a force for good and a force for love. I have guests on that might vote differently or love differently or pray differently from you and me. Because I believe to help heal humanity through love, we must first understand the humans who make it up. And I am so happy that you are here.

• 3:55Speaker 00

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• 4:39Speaker 00

  And right now, as the First Lady shares in this episode, President Joe Biden is in the fight of his life, battling stage four cancer. While the First Lady agreed that today, no questions were off limits. And so I do ask the most pressing question so many of us want to know. I also want to ask you to join me in praying for President Biden's health and strength and in praying for and sending love to his entire family during this time.

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• 6:31Speaker 00

  If Hunter decides to run for office.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 6:37Speaker 00

  If Hunter decides to run for president, what would you tell him? What would President Biden tell him?

• 6:47Speaker 01

  You know, I do have a funny answer for that. I would say, run. But then you take that how you want to.

• 6:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. Right.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  So, you know, Hunter's got to find his own path. And whatever he decides to do, and I feel this is true his whole life. I feel it from all our kids. Whatever they decide to do, I mean, our grandkids, our kids, we'll support them. I mean, we will support them 100%. And I felt that same way about Joe. You know, a lot of times when he thought about running for president and it was, to me, it was kind of unreal and daunting. I thought, I believe in you and I will support you. And that's how I feel about all my kids and grandkids.

• 7:43Speaker 00

  Have you and Joe talked about what Hunter's doing and if he would enter politics?

• 7:50Speaker 01

  No.

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  No.

• 7:51Speaker 01

  No. You know, this is a tough time, I think, for me and Joe. And with this cancer diagnosis. And it, you know, I don't know if you've ever done any caregiving yourself. But it's another layer of life that is kind of unexpected. I never expected the cancer diagnosis to begin with, nor did he. But then to be, you know, here I am out on my book tour. But every day, like, in my mind is like, how's he doing? Has he eaten? What's he doing? Did he take his meds?

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Is he, is he going to, with his trainer? I mean, you know, it's like, you're trying to manage everything all at the same time. And.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  So to, it just, you know, Joe and I just really haven't talked about it because our life is so full of, uh, just this whole medical part of our lives now is challenging.

• 9:02Speaker 00

  I have so many questions about that. And I know you share a lot in your book. I love that even you weave it all through. I'm not gonna give away any of it.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  No, don't give away.

• 9:14Speaker 00

  Everyone has gotta pick the book up. By the way, I want to say this really quick. I love that you read the book. And I'm always a little bummed if there's someone I really want to read their book, but they have someone else read it. I understand why people do that, of course. There's a lot of reasons. I love that you read your audiobook, because I think everyone right now who's listening, who goes to Audible and grabs it. I actually, what I love to do is have the physical copy and listen at the same time. And I like to highlight things.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  Oh, no kidding.

• 9:43Speaker 00

  And a really good friend of mine, Pastor John Maxwell, he said once that the first time he reads a book, he highlights it. He says he always reads every book twice. He says the first time.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 9:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, he says that when it's really good. He says the first time he reads it, he highlights it. And the second time he reads the book, it highlights him.

• 10:00Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that phrase.

• 10:02Speaker 00

  I love that so much. And that's one of the things that I just really want to get across to everyone listening. It does not matter how you feel politically. This is not a political book.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  It's not a political book.

• 10:13Speaker 00

  When you read it, you see parts of your own life in this. Like, it highlights you no matter, I believe, no matter what things you've gone through in life, because so many of us can connect to so many of the different topics, right, that you talk about, that you've gone through, how you put your sisters first at the funeral. And that there's just so many things, there's so many dynamics you have gone through and experienced that a lot of people are gonna, I think, feel less alone in and more enough in.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  I hope that's true.

• 10:42Speaker 00

  When they read. And I want to ask you about, about President Biden. And to answer your question, yes, I've definitely, I, I, I lost both of my parents who adopted me. One to cancer, my dad, and then I took care of my mom for about 10 years in and out of the hospital with a lot of illness, and she passed two years ago. And taking care of someone, especially with a serious illness, can be all consuming. Those of us on the outside that are seeing President Biden pop up at different things and taking the Amtrak to an event this week, and, you know, he's out and about and doing everything. But he was diagnosed with stage four metastatic cancer, prostate cancer that, that has spread

• 11:27Speaker 00

  to his bones. How is he doing right now?

• 11:33Speaker 01

  He's doing okay. Like, in that, like you're saying, he takes Amtrak, he goes to make a speech in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. He's constant, I mean, he works every day, but it takes its toll. I mean, there's a different pace to life, just because of the medications and the cancer. And it, I think, stage four cancer really slows you down. And I, I've seen that. And, you know, he just doesn't ever get up and say, God, I feel

• 12:15Speaker 01

  great today. You know, like, I get up and say that. You do. But he, you know, he always has, it's always with him. The cancer's always with him. And it's a big change, because he was always like, a ton of energy and strong. And, and that's not there like it used to be. But also, you know, he's, he's aging. I mean, we all are. But he's, you know, he's 83. So I think the combination of everything has taken its toll.

• 12:55Speaker 00

  I love that you address some of the most difficult, or some of the questions people want to know. You really go deep in your book, and you explain the behind the scenes of what was going on. You explain why the doctors did certain things. You explain all of it, and you take us through what you were going through, what President Biden was going through. You take us on that journey, which I, I love, because so many people just maybe see a quick soundbite in the nightly news, or they just see something pop up in their Twitter feed. And again, no matter how someone feels politically, it's so easy to just see somebody's version online in two seconds that's feeding your algorithm for whatever reason. And it really is so far from the actual truth of what happened. And so, that's

• 13:40Speaker 00

  what, one of the reasons I think books are life-changing, and especially, right? Because you just go, you go through that journey, and you, you, you're able, and I love that people are able to go through this with you. And I know, one of the questions on everyone's mind, right now, as we're sitting here, is of course, how is he doing? And also, what his most recent prognosis is?

• 14:06Speaker 01

  Well, he just had scans, and they were very optimistic. And they, you know, I mean, his PSA is zero, which means that the cancer's not in the prostate anymore. And, but the medications are kind of daunting, and hard, I think.

• 14:31Speaker 00

  What is the, what is the long-term prognosis that they say?

• 14:39Speaker 01

  They said he probably won't die of cancer. It'll be something else. So they're pretty confident that they can, well, the prostate cancer is under control. But it's the bones, the cancer in the bones, that's the scary part.

• 15:00Speaker 00

  But they're saying that he probably won't die of cancer?

• 15:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:04Speaker 00

  Including in the bones. It'll be something else.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  Well, I don't know whether they said in the bones. But he won't die of, well, it's the prostate cancer in the bones.

• 15:15Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 15:15Speaker 01

  So, but you know, I've been through this before.

• 15:20Speaker 00

  That's a blessing to hear. Yes.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  And doctors won't give you any kind of, like, if you, because you want to know, like, you know, how long is he gonna be okay? How long is he gonna be able to work? He's writing a book. How long, well, he's almost finished with that. But it's, they don't tell you. They're not God. And you know what? They don't want to be God. And they don't want to be wrong.

• 15:45Speaker 00

  Right.

• 15:45Speaker 01

  So, no matter how hard you push, you, you have to kind of go with your own, I don't know, intuition.

• 15:55Speaker 00

  Do you, do they say, will he need to continue to be on medications?

• 15:59Speaker 01

  Forever.

• 15:59Speaker 00

  Forever?

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  Forever.

• 16:01Speaker 00

  That have side effects and that are really difficult?

• 16:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 16:06Speaker 00

  How are his spirits?

• 16:09Speaker 01

  Well, he's like, you know, he's, most days, he's, you know, pretty good. But like, all of us, he has his down days. And when he gets frustrated with not feeling great, or, so he's, it's up and down.

• 16:26Speaker 00

  I've seen every single press outlet ask you about this on your book tour. And it's probably difficult to talk about. And I think it's also just, I think everyone is curious and wants to know the latest and is, has so many questions about, anytime, whether, whether it happens in our own families. Like, how didn't, how didn't we know sooner? Or how didn't doctors detect it? All of that. Are you scared?

• 16:56Speaker 01

  Scared that he's gonna die?

• 16:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, scared with this, everything he's going through?

• 17:01Speaker 01

  Of course I'm scared.

• 17:06Speaker 00

  How do you handle it?

• 17:12Speaker 01

  I guess I, I, it's, I mean, first of all, he's almost 10 years older than I am.

• 17:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  And, and with an illness. And, you know, you kind of can't let your head go there.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  You just can't. I mean, like I said, with, with Beau, and maybe you felt this with your parents, it's like, you can't imagine life without them.

• 17:43Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  But you know they're gonna die. Just like I know I'm gonna die. So, part of it you accept as the natural, you know, it's, I think probably, and I'm gonna put this in your court, probably with your parents, it was so super hard to lose both your parents. But all throughout your life, we've been conditioned as human beings to, to expect our parents to die before we do.

• 18:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  But you never expect your child to die before you do. So, am I scared that Joe will die? Yeah, I am.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  But, and it's not something I, you know, actively think about.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  But because he's sick, I don't know, he's, he's strong. I mean, he's, he's resilient. And some days I say to him, you know, Joe, the irony is like going through all this, I'm going to be the one to die first.

• 18:56Speaker 00

  God forbid.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  It's gonna be me because you're driving me so crazy.

• 19:02Speaker 00

  Does he get scared?

• 19:05Speaker 01

  He's never told me he's scared. No, I don't think he would. I don't think those words would come out of his mouth.

• 19:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  You know, he's always been the strength of our family. And I don't think he would allow himself to be that vulnerable.

• 19:23Speaker 00

  Do you or him ever cry over it together?

• 19:27Speaker 01

  No.

• 19:28Speaker 00

  No.

• 19:29Speaker 01

  I'm not, well, of course, this interview, you started right in and I started to tear up. But basically, I mean, I am not a crier. Joe is a crier, however, and, but no, I would not say, you know, we can't look at life that way. That's, Jamie, we look at it like Joe has cancer. He's gonna die. So let's make the most of every moment. Let's be together. Let's do, let's find things that bring us joy. Let's make this a positive journey. I mean, not a negative journey, because how can you live with that every day? You can't. It's too heavy. It's too dark.

• 20:12Speaker 00

  What are your favorite things about your husband?

• 20:16Speaker 01

  His strength and his steadfastness and his integrity as a person, his faith, all of that. And actually, that's why I think he was elected by the American people, because I think they wanted calm, peace, steadfastness. And that's who he's been to our family. I mean, I feel that when he lost his first wife and daughter, and I came into his life and raised the boys, and then we had our, our daughter together, Ashley, you know, that

• 20:54Speaker 01

  family, we worked so hard in building the family with love. And I felt when Joe was making that decision in 2020 to heal, to run for president, that that's how he was gonna heal the nation, you know, by, through love, through positive things, through doing, through helping people. And, and I, I think the American people felt that way, too. And I think that's

• 21:34Speaker 01

  one of the things they miss. And they say to me all the time, whether it's walking onto an airplane, or most of the time in ladies' rooms in airports, where women feel like they can come up to me and say everything, or they'll say, do you mind if I take a picture? I'm like, we're in the ladies' room. But, but anyway, I, I think, I don't know. So we don't look at it, but we look at it in a more positive way. You have to.

• 22:06Speaker 00

  You have to. Would you describe him as a hero in your life?

• 22:10Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I would.

• 22:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  He was a hero for me. Yeah.

• 22:14Speaker 00

  And you're about to be married 50 years?

• 22:16Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah. I was 49 this June. Yep.

• 22:22Speaker 00

  You know, talking about heroes, one question I have for you is, one day, many decades from now, when someone asks Ashley and Hunter, how you were as a mom, and how you loved them, what do you hope they say?

• 22:45Speaker 01

  I hope they say that, I don't know, that life was fun with me. Like, I tried to make it fun and funny. And, you know, I, I play pranks on them all the time. And it's, I don't know, it's just part of our, I guess, love language.

• 23:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. I love that your family, so many of your kids have named their kids, their siblings' names.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:19Speaker 00

  Like, it's all interchangeable.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:21Speaker 00

  That's really cool. How they've all done that.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  Did you do that as well?

• 23:26Speaker 00

  No, I named my daughter Wonder. We tried for 10 years to have her, and it's a long story. And, and my son Wilder, now I'm not sure if we should have named him Wilder because he's wild.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  Wilder.

• 23:36Speaker 00

  He's wild.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  He's wilder than you want him to be.

• 23:38Speaker 00

  He is wild. And then we actually have a 10-month-old, Weston Wind.

• 23:42Speaker 01

  Oh, you do. Congratulations.

• 23:43Speaker 00

  We do, yes. We have three right now.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  I'll have to send you some of my children's books.

• 23:47Speaker 00

  I love, thank you. Thank you so much. Okay, so talking about books, you mentioned Joe's, Joe's new book, President Biden's book comes out in November. Anything, a sneak peek tease, you can tell us about it?

• 24:03Speaker 01

  Well, I think it reflects Joe in the same way that my book reflects me, like, I'm not political. I know people find that hard to believe, but I, I don't feel that I'm political, and I didn't write a political book. But he's very political. And he's always loved politics. And so, and he's always loved, you know, foreign policy and foreign leaders and, and national, domestic policy. And so, his is more how he felt and how he reflected on different parts of the historical part of his, of his journey, of his four years in the White House. So they're very different books.

• 24:47Speaker 00

  I heard him say that it's a lot about how he made decisions and why.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:51Speaker 00

  And I think that's gonna fascinate a lot of people. A couple of things I have to ask you, because people want to know.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  Are these painful?

• 24:58Speaker 00

  No, I mean, the moment in the debate with President Trump, the moment in the debate with President Biden, and now President Trump, you talk about wondering in that moment live, is he having a stroke, or was he drugged? Were there any steps taken after to rule out?

• 25:22Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I mean, Joe and I both had a team of doctors around both of us at all times. And he had a team, I had a team. And as all first ladies and presidents have. And, and yeah, they checked him out. I mean, once we got off the stage, I went to the green room to get my, my pocketbook and all that stuff. And he went to his staff and the docs. And, and they said, Jill, he's fine. He's okay. I mean, I was like, you know, I mean, I was, had so much anxiety about it, like, what's wrong? What's going on? But we went on to do three events that night.

• 26:03Speaker 00

  That same night, right after, right?

• 26:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:04Speaker 00

  And he did great at all of them.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  And he was fine. That's what's so inexplicable. Like, he was fine. He got up on the stage, he made a speech. We went to the, the Waffle House. Do you have Waffle Houses out here? They're mostly in the South. And, and, you know, greeted people. And then we went to North Carolina, got off that plane at 3 o'clock in the morning. And there's a band playing in the lights and hundreds of supporters, and greeted them. And they were, you know, so excited. And he went around and shook everybody's hand. And the next week or two

• 26:43Speaker 01

  weeks later, he was doing a conference with NATO. It was like such an admiration. I just...

• 26:53Speaker 00

  Were they able to definitively rule out he did not have a stroke that night?

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Well, they, they did. They said, I mean, I didn't say to them, I, when I was writing my book, I was reflecting. But I didn't say, God, did Joe have a stroke? I just said, is he okay? Is he okay?

• 27:13Speaker 00

  And what does your gut tell you happened?

• 27:18Speaker 01

  I can't figure it out. That is my honest to God, true answer. I don't know.

• 27:28Speaker 00

  There's so many conspiracy theories online.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Oh, and it'll go on forever.

• 27:31Speaker 00

  But you were there.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  And it will go on forever, I'm sure.

• 27:34Speaker 00

  And you know him better than anyone on the planet. So still to this day, you don't have a gut instinct on what, what was that moment?

• 27:42Speaker 01

  No, I mean, there's all kinds of theories. You know, he had been traveling. I know he was tired. He didn't feel well that day when I saw him. But there was nothing definitive that I could point to. And I had been on the road for two weeks up until that moment. So I wasn't with him. I didn't see him days before, weeks before. I saw him maybe one hour before.

• 28:12Speaker 00

  And there's no way anyone could have, God forbid, laced his drink or something?

• 28:16Speaker 01

  Who knows?

• 28:17Speaker 00

  Who knows?

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Right? Who knows?

• 28:21Speaker 00

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