You Can Take Action with Incomplete Data | Ep 945

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• 0:02Alex Hormozi?

  I don't know what I would do more of because I don't track anything that I'm currently doing. Well, then we have to get the metrics so that we can understand what to do more of so that we can do more of it. This does not mean that you cannot take action without having complete data. Because the nature of entrepreneurship is that you will always have incomplete data. There will always be things that you want to know that you do not know. And so probably the vast majority of your decisions will have to be directional or recent from first principles. Of like, well, I know these things to be true. And so can I extrapolate that to my current situation? Could I generalize knowledge and apply it to a specific domain? There are some things that when you have what I would consider irreversible decisions or one-way doors, as Bezos says it, those are the ones that you want to gather a little bit more data around to make your next big bets.

• 0:48Alex Hormozi?

  How was the morning? Good? Yes? Okay, fantastic. Hopefully it should make a little bit more sense in terms of why we structure the event the way we do, which is that, you know, the first day is all theoretical framework driven. And the main thesis behind that is you're going to have this time with our team, who are, you know, have seen businesses like yours at all different sizes. And you have this short period of time to ask the most meaningful and most impactful questions. And the last thing that I want anyone to do is fly out here, spend that time, and then when you get home, realize that you asked the wrong thing, right? And so who here came in with an idea of what you thought your constraint was for your business? Okay, who here of the hands I just raised was it different than you came in with?

• 1:34Alex Hormozi?

  Right, and so that's why we do the frameworks the first day and then we do the application and the tactics today. So hopefully that was good. Beyond that, I've had the distinct pleasure of

• 1:46Alex Hormozi?

  talking to a lot of different business owners about the things that are limiting the business. And so as we go through the Q and As, I wanted to show you kind of the visual roadmap of how I think through this. And so it only took like 10,000 calls to figure this out. So here we go. So the fundamental question that we always have to ask ourselves as business owners or entrepreneurs, and I take myself through this exact same reasoning process, is why can't we do more? And the reason that I'm so addicted, you could say, to more is because if you think about, let's imagine you had 100 bricks, right? You can assemble those hundred bricks if you just hit random on a, on like a space generator.

• 2:29Alex Hormozi?

  Those random bricks will just keep reassembling. It'll pretty much always just look like a mess. Right. But there is one specific instruction of those bricks that becomes a building. Right. Or a structure of some kind. And so if you think about your business today as a building of some kind, there might be some holes in there, but largely it stands, it has support, et cetera. Whenever we do something new or change, the likelihood that the one move you make is going to be one of the holes versus one of the infinite other possibilities that does not actually grow the business is actually really high. And so the smaller you are, uh, the earlier in your stage of business you are, the more it makes sense to try new things because the likelihood that your change of it sucks and I changed it. And now it sucks less, uh, is highly likely when you're, when nothing is happening,

• 3:14Alex Hormozi?

  you should do anything because it's better than nothing. But once you have a very good business, a very large business, the likely that that change actually makes it worse because you've already had a hundred changes in a row that have worked and 500 that didn't. The likelihood that next change, the reason it's the control versus the variant for any of those guys who do split tests in marketing, the control typically beats the variant and that's because it's had so many iterations to get there. And so if you think about your entire business as a control versus a variant, that is why the changes need to be small and we have to be very strategic about them. Because the best bet for almost every business is why can't we just do more of what's already working?

• 3:49Alex Hormozi?

  And so is the highest risk adjusted return move that you can do as a business owner is more of what got me here. And so what's interesting about that question is that, um, it still requires creative thinking around it. Like you will, you'll get to this point where you say, okay, well, I can't really make more content. Why? I can't run more ads. Why? Well, over $2,000 a day, I, I, my ROAS drops. Okay. That becomes the problem to solve of why can't we do more? Now, when I ask this question, there are five kind of detours that occur that all begin with M conveniently for us for memory. Then I'll walk you through. So if I say, hey, why can't we do more? Sometimes people just say, well, I guess I didn't think about that. And it's like, great. You should do that. And so at any point in this kind of like little journey,

• 4:33Alex Hormozi?

  if you're like, oh, I'll do that, that becomes the course of action. So if you can do more, do more. If you're like, I can't do more because I don't know what I would do more of because I don't track anything that I'm currently doing. Well, then we have to get the metrics so that we can understand what to do more of so that we can do more of it.

• 4:54Alex Hormozi?

  And I'll put a little segue on this, which is that this does not mean that you cannot take action without having complete data, because the nature of entrepreneurship is that you will always have incomplete data. There will always be things that you want to know that you do not know. And so probably the vast majority of your decisions will have to be directional or reason from first principles of like, well, I know these things to be true. And so can I extrapolate that to my current situation? Can I generalize knowledge and apply to a specific domain? And so there are some things that when you have what I would consider irreversible decisions or one-way doors, as Bezos says it, those are the ones that you want to gather a little bit more data around to make your next big bets. Now, let's say you're like, I can't do more. I have the metrics, but the reason I can't do more is because my market is too small.

• 5:43Alex Hormozi?

  Some of you guys might have seen, I had a, I had a harshest hotline of a guy who had a lounge in some weird like commune thing. And he was trying to scale it. It was doing a thousand dollars a month. And I was like, well, how many people are in this commune? And he said 140. And I was like, so there's nothing for days. And then there's 140 people there. He said, yeah, I was like, bro, this is not going to scale. Like, I said, well, should I do more marketing? I was like, you can text everyone. Like, what are we talking about? And so I use that as an extreme example of like, there are, there are realities that like, you could be limited by your market. But nine times out of 10, or 99 times out of 100, that's not the, that's not the condition. Most of you guys are not in a town of 140 people trying to scale the business.

• 6:27Alex Hormozi?

  You're not in the Sahara Desert looking for an AI, you know, coder, probably not. But if you are brick and mortar, and you're in a 20,000 person town, there might be some constraints to the business. Now, does that mean that we could open another location? For sure. Right? But this can be one of those limitations. Now, the next thing that comes up is model. Now, this one is interesting because it's a little bit more strategic in nature, meaning, and you guys might have heard this, or at least thought this to yourself, I can't do more because I'm just like, not sure if this is the right vehicle for me. I'm not sure if the business model I have is really going to ultimately bring me the life that I want or accomplish the goals that I have. And that's one that's, that is real. Like, if you're like, I want to

• 7:12Alex Hormozi?

  be a trillionaire, that's your desire. Who's gonna, I mean, who am I to stop you? Right?

• 7:18Alex Hormozi?

  But if you want to do that, dry cleaning is probably not going to get you there. Right? And so for most people, if you have a hundred million dollar goal, which I would say is like kind of a baseline. Not that you have to have that, but I'm saying just as a general line that will probably represent a lot of people here. Almost all businesses can become that. A permutation of your business, even a brick and mortar, you just have more of them, right? Or there's a franchise model or a licensing model, there's, there's versions of whatever you're already doing, and that's in the more constrained ones. If you're a national already, you sell, you know, on the internet. You can, you can pretty much be a hundred million dollar business. Now, why can't I do more? I have the numbers. My market is actually big enough. I'm not questioning my existence because of my model. The next reason that people say they can't do more is money.

• 8:02Alex Hormozi?

  Now, money has several offshoots. Okay, the first reason is that your leads

• 8:10Alex Hormozi?

  cost too much. Your leads are too expensive. Now, this is where between these four things, this is where pattern recognition becomes important. This is where the team can help. This is what we, you know, step in a lot of times with, which is, are your leads actually too much? Or do you make too little per customer? Or does your sales process suck and your lead cost is fine? And that's where the dynamic between these elements start to interplay because fundamentally, it just means it costs you too much money to make more money. But there's a lot of things that could be the reason for that. So that's where benchmarks across industries is helpful. Like if you were running, you know, a mass market webinar to consumers for weight loss and you're spending $20 a lead, that's probably not good. That's too high. If you're spending $2 a lead and you're like, we're way out of whack, it's like,

• 8:55Alex Hormozi?

  that's probably not the issue. It's probably something with the conversion process or the pricing that's associated with it. And so this is again, when we get into this stuff, this is, this is again, where experience helps. The next one is, I kind of alluded to it already. Sales or conversion are too low. You're not converting enough of the opportunities that you have. So that becomes the constraint of the business. That's what we need to fix.

• 9:17Alex Hormozi?

  Let's say you're like, I'm getting enough leads. You know, we're closing enough sales, but the issue is that our lifetime gross profit is too low. We don't make enough per customer. Everything else is fine. Lead costs, conversion rate's fine. It's just, we're only selling a hundred dollar thing. Or we're selling a hundred dollar a month thing and people leave in three months. But our competitors, people leave in 12. Well, yeah, you're screwed. Everything else is fine. You gotta fix that hole. Otherwise, nothing's gonna work.

• 9:44Alex Hormozi?

  And then finally,

• 9:46Alex Hormozi?

  You have cash flow.

• 9:50Alex Hormozi?

  Any, any home services or construction type businesses here? Okay, cool. So this is super common for you guys where it's like, you know, we have some rough metrics. The market's fine. I don't plan on getting out of HVAC or plumbing or roofing or whatever your, your thing is.

• 10:07Alex Hormozi?

  We have, you know, we know how to get leads. We know how to sell. You know, we, once, you know, once we close a deal, like there's profit there. The problem is they pay us in 120 days. Right? They pay us net 90 or 180, right? And so you're always in this cash crunch. And so you're like, we could scale if I could just pull my AR forward from six months from now into today, and then I'd be able to scale, right? And so here we have to solve these with financing relationships, offer structure, and then ultimately figuring out different ways to pull the cash forward, which I promise are 100% solvable in every one of those domains I just referenced. The last one is manpower. So you're going through this. Why can't I do more? I have the metrics. The market's big enough. My model's fine. All of this stuff makes sense. The problem is the phone's ringing. I just don't have any guys that I can put in trucks.

• 10:49Alex Hormozi?

  Like I can't get the, the talent I need to, to work this, this deal or do this SEO or I'm concerned that my quality is going to drop because they're not trained up enough or whatever the thing is, right? Here's the beauty of this model. What are we doing to attract manpower? Why can't we do more of that? Oh, we don't have metrics for how we attract people into our business. Great. So then we need to go get our metrics for how we attract talent. Okay. Once we have that, okay, well, I have the metrics, but I'm in bumfuck Kentucky and there's only five people there that qualify for this. Okay. Well, can we give relocation bonuses? Can we get, do incentives outside? Can we cross train somebody? Like what kind of training is in place for something that's adjacent that there is supply for? That we can translate over? Model perspective, this is more around the offer of like what we're charging.

• 11:34Alex Hormozi?

  Excuse me, uh, us fixing our model rather, so that we can pay the people we need to. So I'll give you a common one that happens.

• 11:43Alex Hormozi?

  This happens for anything that has skill related services that you sell. This could happen in professional services like accounting, legal, doctors, healthcare, just as much as home services.

• 11:54Alex Hormozi?

  You might have a three or four step constraint. So what that means is I can't bring new people in to service customers. As a result of that, I can't scale. So I can't bring people in because I can't pay above market to attract them. I can't pay above market to attract them because I'm priced as a commodity. I'm priced as a commodity because my offer and my sales motion are not correct or not optimized. And so in order to scale the business, we actually have to do like three things to unlock it. And then it and then it scales. Does that follow that track? Okay, cool. So this is the thinking process. Hopefully you can lead yourself through this. I walk myself through this on a quarterly basis of like, what do I need to do more of?

• 12:38Alex Hormozi?

  And what is preventing me from doing more? And so I'll give you one more thing. One thing also to be cognizant of is that every business has a shape. So if you think about like an e-commerce business or a physical products business, it usually looks something like this.

• 12:57Alex Hormozi?

  That's the shape of the business, which basically means you get, this should be flat. Sorry. You get inventory and then you get distribution until your supply chain breaks. And then you have to keep fixing your supply chain issues. You get the supply to change issues fixed and assuming you can now unlock more distribution, you go straight up until you hear an extra supply chain. So it's very stepwise. If you have a services business, it looks like this.

• 13:23Alex Hormozi?

  It's not super fast, but you know, you can get people in and you continue to scale, provided you do a good job.

• 13:30Alex Hormozi?

  This is as an information or a media business. So if you're a creator or you sell courses or you sell coaching, that kind of stuff, very easy to make a lot of money fast, very hard to, sorry, very easy to make a lot is relative. Very easy to make a few million dollars fast, very hard to make tens and hundreds of millions of dollars.

• 13:56Alex Hormozi?

  Who wants to get what that one is? Software. Really difficult to get started, costs a ton of money, takes a lot of time. But once you have product market fit, you can scale the thing to the moon. And so it's really picking where you want the difficulty to be. When you're thinking about the shape of the business that you're in and making sure that the difficulty that you are facing right now is not a bug with the business. It is a feature of the business. It is part of the nature of how that business works. If you're in cleaning, you know, home cleaning, it's the constraint of the business is always going to be getting, you know, labor that's low skilled, that speaks English, doesn't steal, shows up on time and does a good job. That's going to be the constraint of the business, which also means that if that's

• 14:39Alex Hormozi?

  the same issue that everyone else in your space struggles with, that's where the alpha is. That's where the opportunity is that you have to double down on like, how am I going to have a unique way or my unique selling proposition isn't going to be a selling proposition. It's going to be a unique talent proposition. What, why is it better to work for me than it is for my competitors? If I can do that, then I can drain the market of the best talent and then I'll have a competitive advantage, more so than just saying, hey, I can help you clean your house. Cause that's not a very hard offer. Most people want people to clean their houses. On the other hand, if you're selling fitness memberships, nobody wants to work out except for the people that love working out and those people work for free. And so finding talent for a fitness business is unbelievably easy because people love doing it. It's like finding talent for music.

• 15:22Alex Hormozi?

  Lots of people just love playing music or love singing, right? The issue is getting people to want to sign up who don't want to do this on their own. That's the challenge. And so being like, well, we have this amazing product here. It's a marketing and distribution business. It's a sales business. And so you have to know what business you're really in and the shape of what that business is going to look like as it scales.