Pod Insights The Ed Mylett Show Harvard Professor EXPOSES Why You Feel Unsatisfied & Unhappy In Life | Arthur Brooks About this episode Could your toughest days hold the secret to personal greatness? It's time to rethink everything you thought you knew about being happy...
Arthur Brooks, a renowned happiness expert and professor at Harvard, joins me today to unravel how embracing life's challenges can transform your path to happiness. In this deeply insightful episode, we challenge conventional wisdom about happiness, revealing the unexpected ways that embracing discomfort and negative emotions can enrich your life.
Arthur and I take you on a journey through the complexities of human emotions and the pursuit of happiness. You'll discover why the quest for constant positivity might actually be hindering your personal growth and how the key to true contentment lies in a balanced emotional spectrum.
In this episode, we explore:
The Happiness Paradox: why your unhappiest days might hold the key to your most significant growth
Satisfaction and Desire: Dive into the psychology of desire and learn how recalibrating your aspirations can lead to deeper satisfaction
Misconceptions of Happiness: We debunk the myths that cloud our understanding of what happiness really is
Emotional Management: Learn practical tips for reshaping your emotional responses to life’s fluctuations and how to use both positive and negative emotions to your benefit
Building Resilience: Find out how true resilience is developed not by avoiding difficulties, but by confronting them boldly and with preparation
The Science of Happiness: Arthur breaks down the scientific foundations of happiness, offering a solid framework for understanding your emotional world
Arthur’s insights are backed by years of research and his teachings at Harvard, making this discussion not just theoretical but grounded in evidence-based practices that can be applied immediately to your daily life.
Join us as we redefine the pursuit of happiness, proving that understanding and managing the spectrum of our emotions can lead to a richer and more content life. Get ready to shift your perspective, embrace a new paradigm of happiness, and unlock a deeper understanding of yourself.
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2:38 Speaker 01 This is the end mile show.
2:42 Ed Mylett? Welcome back to the show, everybody. So today's interesting. I'm recording from my gym thanks to some travel issues and I did not want to cancel this podcast today just to do it in a fluffy studio because I've wanted to talk to this man for so long. So many of my other guests on the show, I was just telling him, have referred him to me saying, if you want to have an incredible guest, particularly on the topic of happiness, which we talk a lot about here. This is the worldwide expert. So my guest today is professor at both Harvard Kennedy School and its business school, written several books. His recent book is Build The Life You Want. He wrote that with this lady you've never heard of before called Oprah Winfrey. And I read the book cover to cover about three nights ago after reading all the notes of it for a very long time. I cannot wait to jump into this topic.
3:25 Ed Mylett? Today's all about happiness from the guru of happiness, Arthur Brooks. Welcome to the show. Thank you, Ed. It's so great to be with you. It is awesome to be with you. I told you I, you know, I've just kind of fallen into your work and I'm in love with it. And so I have so many questions for you personally that I'm excited the audience gets to listen into. So I got a million things. I got way more than an hour of stuff I wanted to ask you. So the first thing is I opened up the book and I'm like, okay, this is obviously going to have a lot to do with happiness. This is the guy who talks about this all the time. 25 years of it. First thing I read, happiness is not the goal. Yeah. Unhappiness is not your enemy. I'm like, wait a minute. That's like a plot twist on the first page. So what do you mean?
4:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. So that's very important for people to figure out. I mean, a lot of people say, I want to be happy, but you know, guess what? You're not built to be happy. You're supposed to have negative emotions. They keep you alive. Sadness and anger and disgust and fear. Those are things that in your caveman times would keep you, you know, out of the jaws of a tiger. And today from getting run over by a car or doing the kinds of things that might leave you divorced and fired and friendless. You need to have negative experiences and emotions such that you can learn and grow and survive. And that means perfect happiness is not in your future. Happiness is not a destination. Happiness is a direction. You can get much better at managing your negative emotions and learning from your negative experiences and accepting all these parts of life.
4:53 Speaker 02 And if you do that, then you'll realize that you can get happier and happier over the course of your life and you won't be afraid of unhappiness anymore.
5:00 Ed Mylett? You mean, so you trend in a direction towards happiness more often than you did prior? Is that what you mean?
5:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. And you get just better at happiness is what what happens. It's just, it's a skill. People think about it as a feeling, which it isn't. Feelings are evidence of happiness, like the smell of your dinner is evidence of your dinner. But happiness itself is something we can study and get much, much better at. And a lot of it has to do with emotional self-management. It's basically the gym for your emotions. You know, you actually build your muscles and get better at and get more coordinated and have more strength, et cetera. When you're serious about your training and more emotional training can make you much stronger at it. Not that you're not going to feel bad because you need to feel bad from time to time, but you'll understand what it means and it won't feel like you're out of control. And that's how you actually get happier.
5:47 Ed Mylett? Have you thought about that term? Because I have. I had a lady on, I think it was Dr. Caroline Leaf. I think I'll give her credit for saying this. I think it was Caroline. Where I use the term repeatedly in our conversation, negative emotions, which you just used. Yeah, it was her. And she said, I actually don't believe there are positive and negative emotions. I just believe there are emotions, meaning she's making the same point as you that they they can serve you one way or the other, but What are your feelings about that? Like is is fear necessarily a negative emotion?
6:18 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's called a negative emotion. Well, she's right. There's no such thing as good and bad feelings.
6:24 Ed Mylett? Maybe that's how she said it.
6:25 Speaker 02 Good feelings and bad feelings.
6:26 Ed Mylett? I think that's how she said it.
6:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, negative emotions are simply signals that something's a threat. That's really what they are. Emotions are nothing more than data. They're nothing more than information. They're produced in a part of your brain called the limbic system that was evolved between two and forty million years ago. All mammals have limbic systems, meaning they all have emotions, and most of their emotions are pretty similar to ours. Because they have to process stimuli from the outside and turn it into a language that says that's a threat and that's an opportunity. So positive emotions of joy and interest and surprise, those are things saying that's something that's going to give you calories or mates. Negative emotions, which are not bad feelings because they're good for you, negative emotions are things that say that's a threat.
7:10 Speaker 02 So they make you feel disgust, that you don't get killed by a pathogen, you get poisoned. They make you feel fear or anger such that a threat, an animal that wants to eat you can be dealt with appropriately. Sadness is a classic one. You need sadness because what sadness is all about is it's a version to losing something or losing somebody from your life. We're a kin-based species. If we don't have our people, we're going to walk the frozen tundra and die alone. That was what was going on two hundred fifty thousand years ago, and that's why there's a part of your brain dedicated to mental pain and sadness called the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex. Its whole job is making you not want to be sad. It's to make it painful when when you've lost something that you really love.
7:53 Speaker 02 Once you understand that, you realize there's no bad feelings, no such thing as bad feelings. What there are are negative emotions, and when you learn what they mean, how you can profit from them and how you can manage them, then your life really starts to get better.
8:06 Ed Mylett? Okay, let's talk about that. By the way, I want to make sure that I give Caroline credit. I actually think she said good and bad the way you did.
8:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, probably, for sure.
8:13 Ed Mylett? Yeah, now, we all want more happiness.
8:16 Speaker 02 Right.
8:18 Ed Mylett? I just had a call with my CPA before you and I got on here. And we were talking about some of the blessings of abundance that have happened in my life. And as I told you, I'm actually talking to you from this island that I own here. Hang on, everybody. This is not a humble brag. It's gonna go somewhere. And um, I was telling him, it's taken me fifty-three years to figure it out, but more is not making me happier.
8:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:43 Ed Mylett? And I literally just had this conversation with him before we went on. And he goes, what do you mean? And I said, you know, um, acquiring more stuff and more things has actually trended in a direction the other way for me now. Where it's actually giving me more angst, more worry, more fear, um, less joy, more burden, more stress. And it's taken me this long. Then I went to review my notes for our interview, and there's literally a question I had in here with you on more.
9:12 Speaker 02 Right.
9:13 Ed Mylett? I want to ask you about this, because I think most people think if I can get more of something, I did more stuff, more wealth, more possessions, more awards, more recognition, more likes on my social media, more downloads to this show, that's going to equate to happiness. And in my own case, I can't say that it didn't initially. I think it might have brought me some temporary joy. But man, it was pretty fleeting. So would you just discuss this concept of more? Because I literally just went through this with my dear friend of thirty years of my CPA.
9:46 Speaker 02 Yeah, no. And and this is very common among the people who, let's say, were not raised with nice things, but then do really well in life. See, this is a problem with Mother Nature, and it's a satisfaction problem. You know, Mick Jagger saying, I can't still sing. He's like a hundred. He's still singing, I can't get no satisfaction. That's not right. The problem is that you can't keep no satisfaction. And that's why you're always trying to get more and more and more. And that's an evolved trait. Mother Nature is lying to you. She says that if you get more money, you get more power, you get more pleasure, you get more admiration and fame, that you're going to be happier. Now, what's really going on is that that's an ancient idea. That if you get more of those things, you're going to get more mates, and you're going to get more food.
10:30 Speaker 02 Cave men wanted to be better known. They wanted to have more power. They wanted to actually have more resources. And so we are evolved to want more of that worldly stuff. That's sort of makes sense when you're poor living in a cave. The problem is when you live in an abundant society like we have in the United States and most places around the world. You quickly max that thing out and then you say to yourself, huh, I'm still not satisfied. I guess I needed more and more, and that's called the hedonic treadmill. That's a metaphor. Hedonic means feelings. You're looking for the feeling of joy from more. You're always resetting and resetting and pretty soon the treadmill starts to speed up. And so the first thing that a billionaire says is, I guess I needed another billion because I'm not feeling it.
11:14 Speaker 02 And you could just do that for the rest of your life and be really unsatisfied. And at the same time, Ed, you're exactly right. There's a huge cost. I talked to a friend who got very, very rich and, and he said, I always wanted a yacht. A big yacht, a hundred and fifty foot yacht. So he got one, you know, fifty million bucks. He bought it and, and he said, the first thing that happened to me is that I realized that I now had another twenty five full time employees. And I had to think about my employees and if one didn't show up. And how much am I going to pay them? And are they happy? And, and it was just a human resource stress problem. That's the thing. That's what we need to think about. So the way to solve this, there's a solution to this problem, by the way. And here's what it is.
11:57 Speaker 02 Mother Nature says satisfaction will come when you have more. But the real formula, and I'm gonna slow down so the people watching and listening to us right now can get out their pencil. The real formula for lasting satisfaction is all the things you have divided by the things that you want. Have divided by wants. Now, the inefficient way to get greater satisfaction is to increase the numerator, have more. The efficient way is to decrease the denominator by wanting less. What everybody listening to us needs to do is to manage their wants. And how do you do that? Lots of ways. I have a reverse bucket list. For on my birthday, I think about all my cravings and desires and I cross them out one by one by one.
12:40 Speaker 02 Another way to do that is to think before you, when you're talking about some physical thing. How am I going to feel about it in a year? I, I guarantee you, there's literally nothing in the shopping mall that you're going to care about at all in five years. You couldn't buy anything in the mall that you would care about in five years. That sweater that's going to look so nice, you won't care about it. That watch, I'm, I guarantee you, you won't. And if you think ahead a little bit, you can get ahead of this thing and start managing the denominator, start to lower your wants. And that's where real satisfaction lies.
13:12 Ed Mylett? Interesting. I did a podcast last week where I said, you get the life you focus on. So if you've got this sort of pattern in your life, you're focusing on the things you don't have, that pile's always going to be a whole lot bigger than the things you do have.
13:23 Speaker 02 Yeah, totally.
13:24 Ed Mylett? You can train yourself to be focused on the things you do have and less desirous of the things you don't. Having said all that, I'm going to push you on this a little bit. When I wasn't wealthy, or no one knew me, I would watch wealthy people say what we're saying, or successful people, and I'd go, that's really easy to say, once you've got all this stuff.
13:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, right.
13:46 Ed Mylett? And by the way, you're even taking away a little bit of my mojo, because I've been programmed to want these things. And so I used to almost resent people who were successful. They go, oh, it's not all that cracked up to me. I'm like, yeah, and you had a great bottle of wine and a steak last night. And I'm on my third burrito at Taco Bell for three days in a row over here, right? And so is there a line, though, where it kind of meets and flips the other way? In other words, is there any court of effect to
14:15 Ed Mylett? lack of abundance or lack of success that delivers unhappiness to people? In other words, is there a line? Or is it all about the expansion of you? And when you're growing as a person, regardless of the acquisitions, you feel better about yourself? I'm just curious. Is your thought about that?
14:31 Speaker 02 It's a very smart question, because you've actually touched on something that social scientists and neuroscientists have been looking at for a long time. Does money ever buy happiness? And the answer is no. But at low levels, it eliminates the sources of unhappiness. And I'm not splitting hairs here. Unhappiness and happiness are largely processed in different hemispheres of the brain. Unhappy, negative emotions are largely processed in the right hemisphere of the brain. Happy emotions, positive emotions are largely processed in the left hemisphere of the brain. These are separable phenomenon. Happiness and unhappiness are not opposites. You can be an unusually happy person and an unusually happy person. It's called being a high affect person. Those are the mad scientists. High highs, high lows.
15:16 Speaker 02 And about a quarter of the population has that. Almost guaranteed Ed, that you have that because most successful entrepreneurs are these mad scientists. They're, they're in it for everything. They're, they're taking a bite out of life. It's not the only portrait. You can be high, low, low, high and low, low. And I talk about all that stuff in my work with it. And you, you read about that in Build a Life You Want, when you talk about it if you want. But the bottom line is that their resources and money, they work on the unhappiness side at low levels. When I was a, you know, young guy, when I first got kicked out of college and went out on my own to work at nineteen. I was a musician. I had nothing and I didn't go to the dentist for six years because I didn't have the money. When I was twenty-five years old, I finally, I joined a symphony orchestra in Barcelona, which is where I was working.
16:01 Speaker 02 And, and I finally had enough money to go to the dentist. And I felt a lot better because I had twelve cavities and they filled these cavities and I felt so much better. And I thought to myself, money buys happiness. No, money was eliminating a source of unhappiness and it does that up to about a hundred thousand dollars a year. An annual income in the average community. Obviously your results may vary if you live in New York or San Francisco, et cetera. But then what happens is that we get fooled by that. We remember early in our lives when we felt better, when we had more money. And we go for that feeling of feeling better for the rest of our life from six to seven hundred thousand dollars, from one million to two million dollars. I'm like, it was nice, but I didn't get that great feeling.
16:42 Speaker 02 And the reason is because it only works at low levels and it only works to alleviate unhappiness.
16:47 Ed Mylett? Wow. I just have to tell you all, I've sort of lived this. Exactly what Arthur just described, I've kind of lived it. And I do agree though, that some success and abundance, probably up to that six-figure number, does buy your way out of some level of stress or unhappiness. I was impressed with you. I started to really dive into your stuff. So I read the book, by the way, it's called Build the Life You Want. It's got other stuff too that's awesome, which we'll talk about in a minute. So hey guys, I want to jump in here for a second and talk about change and growth. And you know, by the way, it's no secret how people get ahead in life or how they grow. And also taking a look at the future. If you want to change your future, you got to change the things you're doing. If you continue to do the same things, you're probably going to produce the same results.
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20:20 Ed Mylett? I was surprised because I'm reading, okay, Harvard professor. This guy would never talk about God. And I was surprised to hear you speak so boldly and eloquently about the source of happiness that you feel comes from not the direction of your own life, but finding what God's direction is for your life.
20:39 Speaker 02 Right.
20:39 Ed Mylett? Ding ding ding ding ding, because that's sort of my jam. So I just want to kind of turn that topic over to you for a second. Because what is it that delivers happiness to them, everybody? What?
20:48 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, for sure.
20:50 Ed Mylett? Right.
20:50 Speaker 02 Sure. There are really four practices that the happiest people have. And those four practices are faith, family, friendship and work that serves other people. Those are the four things to be paying attention to. There's other stuff to do to lower your unhappiness. One of the best ways to lower unhappiness is to get into the gym, for example. So just give up alcohol. There's lots and lots of good stuff to do. But on that happiness side, it's faith, family, friends and work that serves. Now, when people hear faith, they're like, ah, which one? Now, I'm a Christian too. It's literally the most important thing in my life. But as a scientist, I can also look at the data and see that there are many paths that bring the happiness that we're talking about. What they all have in common is transcendence of oneself.
21:32 Speaker 02 Mother Nature, I mean, we talked about the lies she tells you that if you have more, you'll be happier. Another lie that she tells you is that you're the center of the universe. That you're the center of a psychodrama and the psychodrama is neat, it's like.
21:45 Ed Mylett? Yep.
21:46 Speaker 02 It's all about Arthur. It's, you know, Arthur's commute and Arthur's lunch and, you know, Arthur's friends and Arthur's shows and Arthur's money and. And, and, and it's so terrifying and boring at the same time. It's so tedious. You need relief. Each one of us needs relief and the only way to get relief is to get small and make the universe large. But that's very unnatural because Mother Nature doesn't want you to do that. And so you need something that will pull you out of the psychodrama. Maybe that's studying the Stoic philosophers. Maybe that's walking in nature before dawn. Maybe that's studying the, the, the fugue of Johann Sebastian Bach or, or adopting a meditation practice. Or maybe like for me, I go to mass every morning and I pray my rosary every night with my wife and my Catholic faith is at the center of my life.
22:31 Speaker 02 But you need something. Now, I didn't say which one is most metaphysically right. And you and I have a strong opinion about that.
22:39 Ed Mylett? Mm hmm.
22:40 Speaker 02 I'm just talking about the happiness and if somebody doesn't have something that is a faith or philosophy that will make the universe large and make you small, you're going to be leaving a lot of happiness on the table.
22:51 Ed Mylett? Let's talk about that small thing for a second. I love that. I, um. I pray on my knees and one of the reasons that I pray on my knees is it reminds me of how small I am. And I've said to this, this is one of the things I've noticed. By the way, I have a lot of experience with this. My most unhappy people that I know in my life, and I will put me in that category for most of my life are egomaniacs.
23:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:15 Ed Mylett? And let me, they don't all look the same though, everyone. I want you to stay with me. Some of them are that obvious egomaniac that when you meet them, they brag about their jet or their car or their degree or their whatever. That's an obvious egomaniac. The other one is actually somebody who may suffer from very low self-confidence and you never think of that person that way. But it, it is true because all of their world surrounds them.
23:40 Ed Mylett? Why am I so invisible? Why don't people see me? Why don't I get the reactions I want? Why am I a victim all the time? Why am I being treated? I actually believe they're the same person with two sides of the coin. And so is that what you mean when you talk about me centered versus God centered? And that's something I want everyone to evaluate. You always picture ego driven people as like they're already pretty successful and they think they're amazing. I actually had that, but I also had a huge ego when I was broke and that huge ego was everything was focused on me and how I was being treated or how people didn't respond to me. Even my own lack of confidence when I'd walk in a room was because I was so focused on what everyone was thinking about me. As opposed to what I was thinking about them.
24:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:20 Ed Mylett? Pathway out was to stop thinking about me. I finally, a friend of mine said to me, Arthur, he said, when you're feeling the most helpless, get the most helpful.
24:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:29 Ed Mylett? And it got out of me into service and I have to tell you, I got a job at an orphanage when I was young. We won't get into that now. But it changed my life because all of a sudden I was forced not to think about me. I had to think about these little boys that I was with. Is that part and parcel of what we're talking about here?
24:44 Speaker 02 That's it, man. That's it. That's it. Now you talked about two kinds of narcissists, by the way, already about two kinds of egomaniacs. And clinically, there is a designation that we're talking about is grandiose and covert narcissism. Grandiose narcissists are the ones that's like, it's all me. They're usually very extroverted. They're very self-confident. The covert narcissist, they tend to be incredibly insecure and they're getting hurt all the time because they think that people are not giving them that to which they're entitled. They're the victims. They're the ones who are living in a constant state of grievance that we see in our activist culture today. That's a kind of covert insecure narcissism that we see. What it all has in common is me, me, me, me. It's so boring.
25:27 Speaker 02 And the answer to it really is, it's not just work therapy. It's not some sort of psychiatric drug. It's go out and serve others. Go out and serve other people. Here's a way to think about it. Here's the formula to think about it. Mother nature and our culture tell us that the formula for a happy life is as follows. Okay. Six words, six word formula. Love things, use people, and worship yourself. That's what the culture tells us. And, and again, you're not going to literally put a, you know, picture of yourself and pray to it. But you act like you're the center of the universe, and that's, that's worshiping yourself, because then you're God. That's what it comes down to.
26:07 Speaker 02 The right formula, according to all of the best clinical and social psychological work, all the best neuroscience, all the research says that really what it comes down to is to just change the verbs and the nouns. Use things with abundance and joy, man, because things are made to be used. I mean, use that gym behind you. Enjoy that island. Absolutely. Use things. Don't love them. Love people, because only people are made to love and worship God. That's it. Worship the divine. And if you follow that formula, man, you're gonna be happier. You're gonna be better adjusted. You're gonna be better to other people. Now, one other thing that you said was really important. You get small by physically getting on your knees. How many kids do you have? I can't remember.
26:51 Ed Mylett? Two.
26:52 Speaker 02 Yeah. How old are they?
26:53 Ed Mylett? Twenty-two and be twenty-one in two weeks.
26:56 Speaker 02 And they're, are they believers?
26:58 Ed Mylett? Yes.
26:59 Speaker 02 So this is the thing. People ask me all the time, because, you know, as a scientist, not as just a Christian guy. What can I do so that peop- my kids will grow up and follow my faith? Because everybody's worried about that. People who are religious, I mean, Muslims ask me this, Jews ask me this, tons of Christians ask me this, Hindus ask me this, I travel all the time. What should I do so that my kids grow up and follow the faith? Because so many people are falling away. And I say, ah, ha, ha, I got the data. I got the data. Be like Ed is the answer. Let me tell you how.
27:28 Ed Mylett? Good point.
27:29 Speaker 02 It does not matter what you say. It does not. All it matters is what they see. When I was a little boy. Um, my dad. Um, he was, it's, you know, I thought he was so strong that he could lift the corner of the house, right? He couldn't. He was a math professor, so no way, man. And my dad was a proud man, and he would never bow the knee to any other man. But on Sundays, he was on his knees. And and this was huge for a little dude, right? Because this had a huge cognitive impact on me. Because my dad was bowing before the Lord. There was something more powerful than the most powerful person I had ever seen.
28:09 Speaker 02 And and so what did that mean? That meant to be a man, to be manly is to be strong and to be serious and to be hardworking and to be on my knees before the ultimate source of goodness and power. That's what it meant to be a man. So so this is the secret, man. I mean, this is actually to get small and let people see your smallness. That's how you're gonna raise your kids too.
28:30 Ed Mylett? Brother, that's incredible. It's amazing you say that because my dad was an alcoholic when I was growing up. He got sober when I was fifteen. But one thing my dad did when he was home, he would come into my room individually, kneel down at my bed and say a prayer with me. And then he would leave the room and go into my sister's room and do the same thing. And I saw my dad pray. And when I think of my dad, he's passed away. I think of a few visuals, but one of them is me being next to him at church on a Sunday and watching my dad really pray and really get emotional when he would pray. And my dad was a dude's dude, like I've seen fights. So it's just amazing that you say that. It's um, it's literally the pictures just flash in my head.
29:11 Ed Mylett? And I found, by the way, everyone, whatever your faith is, today's not a faith, like just your practice with them. Whatever that is, meditation, prayer, if you're, you know.
29:20 Speaker 02 And it's not just dad, it's mom too. It's it's it's if you're in a position of authority of your kids, it doesn't matter what you tell them. All that matters is what they see. If you don't want your kids to grow up and and drink too much, get on the wagon and don't drink. If you want your kids to yell obscenities out the window of the car, never let them see you do it. And if you want them to be on their knees, let them see you on your knees.
29:41 Ed Mylett? Golly. Yeah, I've turned into my dad in a lot of different ways.
29:44 Speaker 02 It's funny. Me too. Me too.
29:46 Ed Mylett? Metacognition. Let's talk about that. It's in the book, fancy term. It's the first chapter I turned to because it was the fanciest term in all the chapters. So I turned to metacognition. I know what that means, but I'm like, I'm gonna read this chapter first. So I did. And um, it's of actually a very simple concept in general, but I want people to understand why this can lead to the life you want.
30:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, so metacognition is thinking about thinking. It's emotional self-management. And here's the basic idea. We talked a minute ago about how emotions are produced. They're nothing more than data. They're nothing more than information produced in a part of your brain below your level of consciousness called your limbic system. That's your, the console tissue dedicated to creating emotions. So that you have appropriate information about what's going on and you can react in an appropriate way. That information is then relayed to the conscious part of your brain, which is called the prefrontal cortex. That's thirty percent of your brain by weight is the bumper of tissue right behind your forehead. It's the C-suite of your brain.
30:45 Speaker 02 That's the boss. That's your, you're making your decisions. You're saying this yes, this no. You inhibit behaviors that are not good. You accept behaviors that are, you judge what you're hearing as being true or untrue. It gives you a sense of interest in what you want to do. You go right or left at the stoplight. All that's your prefrontal cortex. Emotional information is being delivered to it all day long. The more that you can actually experience your emotions in the prefrontal cortex as opposed to just in the limbic system, the happier you're gonna be because you will be managed by your emotions. And that means putting lots of time in between when you feel something and when you react.
31:26 Speaker 02 You feel something in the limbic system, you react with the prefrontal cortex, and that requires a bunch of time. Here's an example of this, by the way. Here's how amazing the limbic system is. When you're crossing the street in the city and, and you're at a crosswalk and a car runs a light and is coming toward you, it might hit you. It's happened to all of us. What happens in rapid succession is that the image goes actually down the optic nerve into the occipital lobe of your brain. That sends a signal of an oncoming predator. Your, your, your brain doesn't say, can't say Mercedes. Your, your brain sees that as a predator that wants to harm you. That sends a signal to your amygdala, these little almond-shaped things in your limbic system that light up. That's your fight or flight module.
32:11 Speaker 02 That sends now a signal through the hypothalamus of your brain to your pituitary glands, which then signals to your adrenal glands above your kidneys to spit out epinephrine, adrenaline in your system. That happens at seventy-four milliseconds. That gives you enough time to jump out of the way. Of a car and your heart is pounding and you're sweating and you're shaking and you flip off the driver before you're conscious of what's happened. And three seconds later, your prefrontal cortex catches up and you say, ah, I shouldn't have flipped him off. I'm a Christian. That's not the right thing to do. Right? Okay. Now that's important because you need your limbic system to react. But you want to make a decision about what that means and how you're going to react socially.
32:52 Speaker 02 And that means you need your prefrontal cortex to be involved. You can get much better at the relay all day long. We're getting irritated all day long. I mean, there's a whole news complex dedicated to making Ed and Arthur, you know, bummed out and angry. They want that. They want your limbic system to be clicking on things and getting engaged and getting mad. No, no, no, no, no. You need your prefrontal cortex to say, that's stupid. That's probably false. You know, that bugs me, but I've decided not to care. And the more you do that and the better you get at that. And that's what this book is really about. Is how to get better at that. Then you're managing your emotions so they don't manage you and your life starts to get a lot better and you become more successful.
33:37 Ed Mylett? Shoot, you say in the book, choose your emotions.
33:40 Speaker 02 Right.
33:40 Ed Mylett? Use that term. And I actually wrote a question mark down like, can you actually concert consciously choose an emotion? And let me, let me give you the hardest possible litmus test. Okay. And then I'll get you to just run with this. A lot of people listening to this are like, this sounds good. And okay, I'm going to start praying. I'm going to focus on God. I'm going to get my ego out of the way. Um, I'm going to kind of get focused on lessen my life because the more and more and more thing clearly doesn't work. But I just had a loss. I just lost a relationship and someone I really love or somebody I know has passed away or. Man, I just lost my job and I am now really under financial pressure. Whatever that loss is, are you suggesting that even during those times?
34:24 Ed Mylett? I can choose an emotion that serves me better? Or are you also saying what you said earlier? I know this is complicated, but I want to ask you the hard things. That it's okay to feel sadness and down, but only for a period of time.
34:38 Speaker 02 It's a great question. It's a complicated question. I talk an awful lot about emotional substitution in the following way.
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36:47 Speaker 02 We have a range of emotions that are appropriate in any given situation. Often, our limbic system gives us an emotion that's not the best one for us. Now, when something really bad happens to you, you can't choose to think it's good. Cause it's not good, but you can choose an emotion that's also appropriate and is actually productive. I have a guy I pal around with, I don't know, can you know, do you know who Rainn Wilson is?
37:14 Ed Mylett? Yes, I do know. But on the show, I love him.
37:17 Speaker 02 He's a famous comedic actor and he and I grew, we both grew up in Seattle and we're, we're, we're very good friends. And, and I asked him one time, why is it that so many comedians are depressed? What is it about comedy that makes them depressed? That seem like opposites, right? And he's like, no, no, no, no, no, it's not it. It's that a lot of depressed people who are funny, they turn to comedy to relieve their pain. And the reason is because they have found that when they're feeling a whole lot of pain, they can make a joke. And it's a totally appropriate to make a joke. Sometimes they'll make a hardcore joke about something that's really, really terrible. And people laugh and they laugh and they feel better. That's the reason that so many comedians are actually depressed because they're shoozing an emotion. It's not an inappropriate emotion, it's an also appropriate emotion.
38:01 Speaker 02 So I talk to people all the time about emotional substitution, about, you know, when you're feeling really, really angry. Then you, you don't yell, you're not going to go, I mean, learn not to go yell at your wife when you're feeling annoyed. Do something that's actually more appropriate to the situation, which is to express concern, to be honest about what your, your anxiety is about the situation, which is a parallel expression that makes perfect sense, but it's one that you chose.
38:29 Ed Mylett? Hmm, that's a great answer. By the way, I could have used that like 32 years ago. So there's this story you tell that I just heard, I want you to share with the audience a little bit. When I first started to kind of climb up in my life. I had this mentor, wonderful man, Christian man too, by the way. And we would meet once a month and he would actually write me these letters of advice. His name was Bill, cared about me very much, I love him. And as I started to climb, he had climbed also in his life, but probably not. As high as I was more than likely to climb because I was so much younger.
39:03 Speaker 02 Right.
39:04 Ed Mylett? And I remember him leaning in, we were having coffee one day and I violated this advice to such a large extent and I regret it. But he said to me, he said, Ed, you're going to make a lot more money. You're going to have a lot more opportunities in your life. Resist the temptation to complicate your life. You're going to want three houses. You're going to want this. You're going to want that. I promise you, you will be happier if things are more simple in your life. And the temptation is you grow inclined is to just more podcasts, more appearances, more speeches, more of this, more of that. And he was right. And you tell this idea about sort of Western versus Eastern happiness philosophies.
39:44 Speaker 02 Right.
39:45 Ed Mylett? And this museum analogy.
39:47 Speaker 02 Okay.
39:47 Ed Mylett? And it's, this is just something no one will forget. Facts tell, stories sell, right? So just please share this. Everyone lean in on this one.
39:55 Speaker 02 Yeah. So I tell the story in, in, in one of my books about a trip that I took to a very famous museum in Taiwan called the National Palace Museum. It's the, it's the, it's the greatest museum of Chinese art and artifacts in the world. It's, it's in Taipei. And it's so vast, you can't, you can't go through it yourself and absorb anything. All you'll remember is the snack bar because you'll just be walking past stuff for, you know, hours after. So I hired a guide and he was a really kind of a philosophical guy. He knew a lot about both Eastern and Western art. And I asked him at one point, what is the big philosophical difference between art here in China and art that we see in the West? And he said, actually, it's a very interesting question. He said, because you think of art before it started as an empty canvas to fill up.
40:39 Speaker 02 We think of art yet to be started as a block of stone or jade to be chipped away until we find the work of art that's within. Now, Michelangelo said that at one point, but that's literally how they see art, including music and painting, that it's already there. You have to take away the things that are not there. And that's the reason that Eastern art always looks so simple compared to Western art, that Eastern music is so simple compared to Western music. It's not less intellectual. It's a different approach, different philosophical approach. And then he said something that really blew my mind and he was very hopeful today because that's also the difference in the in the idea of of of success between the West and East. He says, you think of success as adding more
41:21 Speaker 02 more brushstrokes, more money, more power, more pleasure, more fame, more followers. Right? We think of success as chipping away all the stuff that's getting in the way of the true sense of self. And he said, and and if you're a successful person, which a lot of people listening to your podcast are real strivers. That's why they follow you because they want to because they're strivers and and I love that. I admire that. But if that's the case, by the time you're about forty five years old, man, your canvas is full. There you add more brushstrokes. It doesn't get better. You need a better metaphor. The metaphor is the block of jade that you need to start chipping away so you can find a beautiful work of art that's within.
42:02 Speaker 02 And so the goal is for everybody who's already successful in worldly terms, each year is, what am I going to get rid of? What's not serving me? What's not serving not not my personal interest? What's not serving my mission? You know, and and and by the way, everybody should know what that mission is. You know, I have a four part mission for my life and for my business, and it has to go these four things in this order. Glorify God, serve others, have an adventure and make a living last. Now, I'm very privileged that I can put make a living last because I can get to pay all the bills. And there were times in my life where I had to go higher because I had to like, you know, pay my mortgage and feed my kids. But
42:42 Speaker 02 but if you if you know what your priorities are, then you start chipping away, chipping away, chipping away the things that are making it harder for you to meet your own mission.
42:51 Ed Mylett? It's so true. When we were moving here, we just moved here. And I said, I'm gonna hit, I'm only gonna take to this new place what I actually need. And so I actually went through my closet. And gave away eighty percent of the stuff in my closet. I get I did metaphorically what you're saying. I chipped away.
43:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
43:12 Ed Mylett? I was so much happier with this clutter and burden of things that no longer serve me.
43:17 Speaker 02 Yeah.
43:17 Ed Mylett? I had shirts in there I haven't worn in eight years, ten years. And many of you are chasing a dream sort of still that hasn't even been your dream for eight or ten years. And you're still chasing it, wondering why it doesn't fulfill you and you've cluttered your life with people and things and stuff and thoughts. You need to clean out the closet.
43:35 Speaker 02 Yeah. You know, the big one, the big one these days is opinions. People have too many opinions. And and you know, it's like, and it's holding us down. It's weighing us down. You know, I I make a reverse bucket list on my birthday now. I used to have a bucket list when I was. And it's like, I want to do this, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this. Now I have a reverse bucket list, not that I'm not going to get and do the things, but that I'm not going to be managed by these attachments anymore. That's why I cross these things out. It's okay if I don't do this. Okay, but I'm good. This year, I mean, I had a big birthday. I'm older than you, Byron. I had a birthday with a zero on it in May. Okay, obviously not fifty and equally, obviously, I hope not seventy. So now everybody knows I'm older.
44:16 Speaker 02 And and um, you know, I realize that what's really been holding me back is that I've got too many political opinions. And they're too strong. So I put a bunch of my political opinions on my reverse bucket list and I cross them out. Not that I don't believe these things. I have very strong beliefs. You know, I have very strong beliefs of the primacy of the American free enterprise system. And I believe in a strong American military, and I think America is the greatest country in the world. I mean, I'm not gonna suddenly not believe these things, but the point is. It's okay if people don't agree with me. It's it's not, oh, that's okay. It's great if people don't agree with me. If you don't agree with me, I love you. Come sit down next to me and tell me what you think because it's been on my reverse bucket list.
44:57 Ed Mylett? By the way, that happened to me at a zero birthday a decade earlier than you. And I have to say this, um, that particular topic in general, I've learned to stay informed.
45:09 Ed Mylett? But not obsessed.
45:10 Speaker 02 Yeah.
45:11 Ed Mylett? I think it's the, I think it is a, I think social media and that topic, politics in general. Everyone should just evaluate whether or not your participation at whatever level you're doing it on is bringing you the joy and bliss you want. Now, having said that, there are really dangerous, important things happening in the world. Taking stands where appropriate on those things is part of being human.
45:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
45:31 Ed Mylett? Part of the purpose, part of your contribution to the world. I get all that, but you also should evaluate what is it doing to your relationships, your body, your mind, your spirit.
45:43 Speaker 02 Completely, completely. You gotta keep things in perspective. Remember, love matters most, people matters most, matter most. Your relationship with God matters most. Politics comes and goes, man. I mean, it's like, it's like the weather. You can get, you'll, you'll shake your fist at the clouds that are passing by, but what a way to waste your life. Have opinions. Work for the good.
46:06 Ed Mylett? And, and, and by the way, everyone, I want to be clear, and I know Arthur feels this way too. When you're strong and passionate about something going on in the world where there's a genocide or something, my gosh, of course, I'm not talking about that. What I'm talking about is the day to day obsession with things outside your life and your control. And you have to ask yourself to some extent, are you doing that to divert attention from yourself and do the real work on you? That could bring you happiness. That's the question I had to ask myself. Am I so obsessed with all these, because there are three or four of them I should have been obsessed with. I should take, but there weren't 300.
46:37 Speaker 02 Yeah.
46:37 Ed Mylett? There were 365 days a year I found myself in this level of stress and toxicity. And it just started to become all consuming.
46:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, well, that's really important. And you know, the key thing is that a lot of people, they don't know how to do the interior work. They don't want to make the effort to do the interior work. And so they'll take a, an extraordinary leap to say that I'll actually be happy if the outside world changes. Now, the news networks want you to think this. The politicians want you to think this. Social media wants it. Every activist in the world wants you to think. That if the injustices in the world were finally rectified, then you'll finally be happy. It's not true. It's a lie. There's only one way for you to get happier, which is to do the work. And doing the work is not changing the whole outside world because news flash, you're not going to get it done.
47:29 Speaker 02 It's working inside. And when you do work inside, then you'll be effective at making things go better outside. But you're not going to lose your mind when things don't go your way.
47:38 Ed Mylett? It's a good point. You know, for me, I think one of the reasons I was struggling with it, I want to ask you another hard question. We only have a few more and thank you for today. It's been just exactly what I was hoping it would be.
47:46 Speaker 02 I love it.
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48:20 Ed Mylett? I was sort of lacking. So when I was younger, I didn't have those tendencies. I had passion and beliefs and I'd make an effort and have an opinion where it stood. Because I also had a strong purpose when I was younger.
48:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
48:34 Ed Mylett? This purpose dominated my life and my frustration was going on geopolitically. I'd speak up where appropriate. Then when my purpose sort of became fulfilled, that first one, that first big goal. When I lost my purpose, I just dove deep into this stuff where that kind of became my religion almost.
48:52 Speaker 02 Yes.
48:53 Ed Mylett? And but then I rediscovered a purpose in my life. So I think a lot of people listening to this feel like if they had a real purpose in their life, they'd probably be happier. I think your work states that that's true. When you're making a contribution, feel good about your work, you're happier. The hard question is how does someone uncover, discover their purpose or their new purpose?
49:12 Speaker 02 Yeah. So finding meaning and purpose in your life. is the biggest challenge that most young people have today. Um, I mean, I can, I can go a long time not getting the stuff that I want, but I can't go 10 minutes not knowing the why in my life and be a happy person. And what we find is that fewer and fewer and fewer young people are looking for their life's purpose, let alone finding it. And there's a reason for that. There's a neurophysiological reason for that. Questions of meaning are in the right hemisphere of the brain. Questions of distraction and things, those are largely occupying the left hemisphere of the brain. The more time you spend on the screen, the more time you spend on social media, the more time you spend gaming, the less able you are to examine the meaning questions in your life.
49:55 Speaker 02 Physiologically, you can't get from one side to the other quickly enough. And so the result of it is that you're going to have less of a sense of meaning and a greater sense of emptiness. Here's what I recommend to all the young people that want to grow up and be Ed. And by the way, that's a good goal to want to grow up and be you. So, so how are you going to do it? And the answer is you need regularly to, to cleanse from all of the distractions that are marooning you on the left side of your brain. And start doing something systematically that will get you on the right side of your brain. I recommend getting up an hour and a half before dawn. It's, it's the advice they give to a lot of young men. And young women, if they ask. Get up an hour and a half before dawn. It's what the Hindus called a Brahman Mahuvirta.
50:40 Speaker 02 And so in Sanskrit, that means the creator's time. And there's a lot of research that shows that this is when you have unusual clarity. Don't tell me you're a night person. No, no. Hour and a half before dawn. And go for a walk with no devices for an hour and do it every day for a month. And I promise you, you're going to start seeing things differently than you currently do. This is the glitch in the matrix, man. This is the way that you strike back against the empire that wants to keep you distracted. And, and they don't care how unhappy that you are. This is the way to get, so start back on a path for meaning.
51:12 Ed Mylett? I love, do you know who Wayne Dyer is? Do you ever Wayne Dyer?
51:14 Speaker 02 Of course, of course. He's a hero.
51:17 Ed Mylett? Okay. He became a mentor to me and a friend. And when I started to get to know him young, he said, Ed, you ever wake up like around three or four, four 30 in the morning with like these unbelievable ideas? And I said, yeah. He goes, that's the divine awakening you.
51:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
51:29 Ed Mylett? Up and right. And I said, I go back to bed and he goes, well, how often do you even remember what you were thinking about? I said, like 5% of the time.
51:36 Speaker 02 Right.
51:36 Ed Mylett? That if you really want to nail it, get up before dawn and walk with these ideas and create them.
51:42 Speaker 02 Bravo, Lord. That's exactly right. And there's a lot of ancient philosophy and thinking and theology, but there's also a lot of research that shows why exactly that works. I've done a lot of that research myself and I strongly recommend it as the way to start finding, why am I alive? For what would I give my life? These many of these fundamental questions and you, by the way, you don't even have to like, go to the mouth of a cave and ask a guru. You need to actually offer up these questions in a spirit of non-distraction and the cool before dawn. This is, this is the magic time.
52:17 Ed Mylett? Brother, I love you. I've got one more question for you. I, I like, can I just, what he just said, by the way, there's this podcast out where someone edited me, where I say, walking is an exercise. Walking is amazing exercise. I've talked about it on 50 different shows. It's the most, so my dad did all through chemo. But it's also an unbelievable way to be creative when you do it before dawn. And I got to tell you, not only will we be connected to the divine, but that divine, people ask me, where do you get all your content from? How do you keep creating new content and writing? It's those hours when I'm actually in that state of mind. I cannot stamp of approval that more of what he just said.
52:49 Speaker 02 Yeah. And there's so much that goes into it because when you do that, you have to start the time before dawn the night before. And so how do you start that the night before? By going to bed sober. Very important. And then just doing that one thing, it starts to make things work in your life. All the puzzle, puzzle pieces start to come together. And that's how you start to build a life that's highly functional. It's highly responsible. That's how you start to become, it's the first thing to do to become the man that you want to be or the woman that you want to be.
53:19 Ed Mylett? So good. And here's the reason why that matters. This isn't from this book. It's from a previous book and I had written it down. It's my quote. I don't know if I'm quoting you directly. Because you said in the book, because your decline is coming much sooner than you think. And. It's true. We're here for a flicker, everybody. This thing is quick. So the last question I just want to ask you about is that, like, give us context to why all of this matters, right? Like, like you and I, you've had a zero, I'm catching you, I'm about seven years behind you. Hey, guys, I'm telling you, yesterday, my kids were being born. I mean, yesterday, they were born.
53:57 Ed Mylett? Yesterday, I was still playing college baseball. Here's how crazy time is, everyone. When I watch college sports on TV, this is no joke, everyone. I watch college sports on TV. When I watch these kids, in my mind, I'm only like five, six years older than these guys when I watch them. Is that nuts? I'm, I could be their father or grandfather, because it was just yesterday for me. So just speak to that last, Arthur, like this life is so precious. And the end and our decline, even our capacity, you only have so many years where you've got a high capacity to think and function and perform. And I just want everyone to sort of have some sense of peaceful urgency about making these shifts and these adjustments. And then speak to the decline thing, too. It's not the most fired up way to end the show, but it's just real.
54:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, and when I talk about your decline, the truth is that there's lots of changes throughout life. And so certain skills decline, and certain strengths decline, and other skills increase, and other strengths increase. And you get that. At the end of the day, of course, there's the ultimate decline because everybody dies. Here's the way to think about it, however, because I agree with you. It's extraordinarily how, extraordinary how fast these things go. My kids were just born, and now I'm a grandfather. I mean, what the heck is that all about? And, and the answer is that love keeps going, life keeps going, time keeps going. And so here's the way to think about it. You know, for most of us, we're not in the last year of life. We aren't. But you know what? We might as well be.
55:25 Speaker 02 So ask yourself this, am I doing what I would be doing if this were my last year of life? Mostly, am I worrying about something that I wouldn't really care about that much if this were my last year of life? Am I, am I concerned about a stupid thing like the election? In my last year of life, I'm, I mean, good, vote the way you want to vote. But would I be freaking out about politics if this were my last year of life? Would I be offended because that person said that mean thing about me if this were my last year of life? No, no, no, I'd be focused on my kids, I'd be focused on my wife, I'd be focused on my grandchildren, I'd be focused on my friends. I would be on my knees in prayer and I would be happier as a result because happiness is love.
56:10 Speaker 02 That's what it comes down to. So just ask yourself, this might not be the last year, but it might be. Am I using it well? And by using it well, it's not like, you know, am I buying the right things, my experiencing the right things, my backpacking across Europe? No, am I loving enough or am I, am I wasting the opportunity to love more?
56:30 Ed Mylett? Oh my gosh, now I'm really glad I asked that to finish things. Yeah.
56:34 Speaker 02 It's a great question. And, and again, that would, that's a harder question to answer when you're 26 than when you're 61. It's a harder question to answer.
56:42 Ed Mylett? And it's what's great about these times, Arthur, because a 26 year old can benefit from a 61 year old's wisdom up close like this. Whereas 25 years ago, I'd had to find somebody and ask them. Now, access like this, it's one of the great blessings of being alive right now.
56:56 Speaker 02 I know, I know, it really is. Um, it really is a lovely thing, I have to say. And, um, and I'm hoping that I'll actually be able to benefit from and share wisdom for the rest of my life. That's how we should actually be using the technology. That's why I'm so grateful that the technology that made it possible for me in Northern Virginia can have this wonderful brotherly conversation with you on a little island in Maine.
57:17 Ed Mylett? I loved this today. You guys, that's why decline that's coming, you know, that's why you want to build a life you want. By the way, he wrote the book with Oprah Winfrey, we didn't even get into any of that. And there's little things everyone, a word from Oprah that comes throughout the book. And so you'll get both of their wisdom throughout it. I like loved today's conversation, brother.
57:33 Speaker 02 Me too.
57:35 Ed Mylett? This is how you should be spending your life is conversations like this with wonderful people. So, um, thank you, Arthur, for being here today. It was everything I hoped for and more. So thank you so much.
57:44 Speaker 02 Thank you for, you know, the wonderful work that you're doing. Thank you for your show. Thank you for your witness. Thank you for your life that you're sharing with other people. And let's just keep at it, my brother.
57:52 Ed Mylett? Love you, brother. We're going to be doing something together and you're coming up here. I'm coming down there and taking you to din dinner lunch soon.
57:57 Speaker 02 Perfect.
57:57 Ed Mylett? All right, God bless you, everybody. Max out your life.
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