Pod Insights The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett Moment 95 - A Simple Hack To Achieve Maximum Happiness: Mo Gowdat About this episode After watching this video your brain will never be the same! Every single thing you do rewires your brain and like a computer it is constantly uploading new and improved software. This can help you perform better and faster in the future, but it can also keep you stuck in your rut of negative thinking and catastrophising. In this moment Mo Gowdat discusses how your brain can be trained in the same way that you train your muscles, with the right direction and repetitions. Your brain is constantly evolving and growing, it is in your power to have the brain and outlook you want for life. Listen to the full episode here - https://g2ul0.app.link/L7Y8Gwfi6wb Mo - https://twitter.com/MGawdat? https://www.instagram.com/mo_gawdat/?... Watch the Episodes On Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/c/TheDiaryOfACEO/videos
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0:03 Steven Bartlett? This concept that we can retrain our brain physiologically seems like nonsense. You know, I can't change my arm. So when someone, you know, asserts that you can actually change your brain.
0:16 Speaker 01 You can change your arm.
0:18 Steven Bartlett? I can change my arm?
0:19 Speaker 01 Of course.
0:20 Steven Bartlett? What, a tattoo?
0:21 Speaker 01 No, you work out.
0:23 Steven Bartlett? That's true.
0:23 Speaker 01 When you work out, you're building muscles in your arms. And that same exact process is exactly what happens inside our brains. And it's called neuroplasticity. The only difference is that you don't see it. You don't see it visibly. You can see your muscles growing because that's the function that they need. You know, they need to grow to perform. But in your brain, what actually happens, again, like computers. It's almost as if you loaded a new piece of software, a new piece of operating system on your brain. Literally, for every one of us listening, everyone listening to us right now, at the end of this conversation, their brain will be wired differently than when it started. Every single instance of anything that you do literally rewires the hardware itself.
1:09 Speaker 01 The neurons that fire together, wire together. Okay? So imagine the old days of the switchboard. Okay? And, you know, Steve wants to call his mom. So you crank your phone and the operator says, you know, hi, how can I help you? And you say, can you please connect me to that number? And she would literally take a wire and patch you and your mom's phones together. Okay? After a while, the operator constantly, every time you call, you want, you ask for your mom. So the operator goes like, why am I even wasting my time on this? Let me just patch that wire to his mom all the time. Okay? So that's exactly what happens in our brains. If you, if you perform a single, a certain function, your brain starts to build networks
1:53 Speaker 01 that make that function easier to perform in the future. If you do it one time, it becomes a little easier. If you do it 20 times, it becomes permanent. Okay? And there are, there are tons of studies. If you, if you take a simple task like tapping your finger on the table, okay? And you're requested to do that. Say twenty times every hour. After a few days, you'll find that you're so much better at tapping your finger on the table. And you can do it much faster, and you can do it consistently, and you can do it in the background. Gamers know that for certain, okay? The problem with neuroplasticity is if you tell your brain to wire for tapping your finger, it will. If you tell it to wire for solving complex mathematical equations, it may take a little longer, but it will.
2:35 Speaker 01 If you tell it to wire for hating people, it will become very good at hating. If you tell it to wire for fearing the end of the world because of what the media is telling you, it's going to become very good at fearing the world.
2:46 Steven Bartlett? I know some of those people.
2:47 Speaker 01 I know, absolutely, and you don't want them in your life. The challenge of our modern world is that we think that this brain is supposed to be there to make us successful. Yeah, okay, first of all, it's not the primary function of the brain. The primary function of the brain is to make you safe, okay? And then the secondary function that we push as humans to that brain to do is to invent iPhones and create podcasts and have amazing things, right? That's a secondary function. But believe it or not, before that secondary function, your your brain is supposed to make you happy. Because happy is the ultimate form for you to perform in life. If you're not happy, you're not as effective as you could be at achieving survival. Think about it, huh?
3:31 Speaker 01 If you're grumpy all the time at work, people don't like you, you're not focused, no one wants to help you. You're wasting most of your time, your brain cycles, you know, thinking about the negative. And so you're not innovative or creative and so on and so forth. It degrades your performance. Happy is a better place for you to be at work because it will make your customers want to do business with you. It will make your colleagues want to, you know, to help you out. It will make your boss welcome you in their team and so on and so forth. We are social animals by definition, and we want to have that in our life. And the easiest way to connect and to open up and to discover the world is to be in a happy place. That's a primary function of your brain.
4:14 Steven Bartlett? It's hard for some people, you know, because we can all think of someone in our lives who has certain wiring, very stubborn wiring, that almost seems impossible to unwire. And I think we all have that ourselves as well, the certain wiring in our brains, where something happens and our reaction to that thing might be, you know, to catastrophize, it's the end of the world. That's like a, it feels like it's a certain set of wiring, where trigger, and then the, the brain goes through the circuitry and it goes catastrophe, panic.
4:44 Speaker 01 Yeah. And, and the, and the answer to that I found was to actually guide that person, or yourself, if that's yourself, to the opposite of your wiring. So if my, if my wiring is to look at everything and see what's wrong with it, I should deliberately force my brain to look for what's right with it. So, you know, I, when I was, when, when I was coming here, it was very busy in the morning. And so I came late, if you remember. And my brain's immediate reaction is, oh, what's going to happen? I'm going to be late for Steve. Right? That's the immediate reaction of a brain, because something is wrong. So it looks for what's wrong. I could also say, and what is good about that? What is good
5:27 Speaker 01 about being a little late? You know, he's been recording for the last few days, so it may give him a little bit of extra time.
5:33 Steven Bartlett? Do you want to know the truth? I was so happy you were late, because I was late.
5:37 Speaker 01 Right?
5:37 Steven Bartlett? So I was doing upstairs, reading that, I was reading the book and I was thinking, I just hope he's like 15 minutes late. And then I'm looking at my phone, I'm like, I really, I was like, he's not coming yet, perfect. So I carried on going and carried on going and carried on going. And I just finished as you arrived.
5:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:49 Steven Bartlett? So it's perfect timing.
5:50 Speaker 01 You see, that, that is the truth, huh? That's the truth that your brain tries to deny you from seeing. And interestingly, you can train your brain. So, so basically, what you can do is for every thought, for every negative thought that your brain gives you, task it with the task of giving you a positive one.
6:07 Steven Bartlett? Or two positive ones.
6:09 Speaker 01 Nine, I say.
6:10 Steven Bartlett? Nine.
6:11 Speaker 01 Yeah, because in reality, if you look at life around you, more than 90% of life is okay. For your brain to contribute more than that as negative is not fair. Right, so if, literally, if your brain says, hey, by the way, this studio is a little warm. What else is about this studio? My friend Steve is there, the lighting is perfect, the crew is amazing, you know, the coffee is not that bad. You guys got me honey, I can go on for hours. Right? And, and the idea is, by training your brain to look for that, what are you actually doing? You're firing the neurons together.
6:47 Steven Bartlett? Gratitude.
6:48 Speaker 01 And exactly, your, your, your book basically says it is the answer. The answer is, when you find gratitude, what, what, that gratitude journal that you keep, that you kept for years, every day, what was it telling you? It was training your brain to look for what's right. That your brain, every night that you did it, was like, okay, it seems he's gonna be asking to call his mom a lot more often. It seems he's gonna be asking for good things a lot more often, I might as well observe them. I might as well find them. And so, yes, you said some people are impossible to rewire. They're impossible to rewire if they've been practicing a certain wiring for 21 years. It's not gonna take 21 seconds to rewire anyone, including me and you.
7:30 Speaker 01 It will take 21 days, let's say, for your brain to recognize, I need different wiring. And it will take maybe 21 months for your brain to say, and I don't need the old wiring anymore. Okay? And the game here is, can you actually keep doing that? Can you keep tapping your finger in a way that trains your brain that this is the wiring that you need?
7:51 Steven Bartlett? Like, can I keep going to the gym and working on my guns?
7:55 Speaker 01 Yeah. Believe it or not, the research will tell you that a big part of being athletic is wiring of your brain, not your muscles. For your brain to be able to say, I will go even if I feel a little tired. I will go even if I feel a little busy. I will go and I will do the right exercises, even if the last push is a little painful.
8:16 Steven Bartlett? A lot of people will hear that and go, but what's the evidence for this? What's the evidence for neuroplasticity? Is there science?
8:22 Speaker 01 Oh, there is a ton of science behind neuroplasticity. Anything from between neuroplasticity and neurogenesis is when, you know, neuroplasticity is to rewire the connections between the neurons. And neurogenesis is to actually create new neurons when, if you're hit with a ball, for example, and part of your brain is damaged, how we can recreate that, right? If you have a stroke and how you recreate that. And ample evidence, one of the very famous stories is Matthew Ricard. When we spoke about him in the beginning, Matthew's brain looks different than the average human brain. His insula is much bigger in relative comparison. His prefrontal cortex is bigger and it fires more often,
9:07 Speaker 01 simply because of the constant neuroplasticity of, I need you to meditate, I need you to stay quiet, I need you. I mean, some of Matthew's journeys would last four years in isolation.
9:20 Steven Bartlett? He would meditate for four years?
9:22 Speaker 01 Be in isolation in a hermitage for four years, right? And so at that level, your brain starts to do very different things. And by the way, that's not unusual. Many farmers around the world live in isolation for a very long time. Believe it or not, you and I, when we spend a long time on aeroplanes, I chose a long time ago to not watch a lot of stuff on, you know, I maybe watch one movie, but not the entire trip. The other bits of silence, that's actually a form of meditation. I, you know, my absolute wonderful friend, Jamie Nelson, the photographer, if you know him, he photographs indigenous tribes. And the way he does it is he would go and spend a few months
10:06 Speaker 01 outside their premises, you know, their village, if you want, in silence. You know, camping out there, he doesn't speak their language. He's just sitting there, waiting for them to accept him. And then he would start to, you know, communicate to them in sign language because he doesn't speak their language. And he's one of the wisest people I know. And I said, how did you become this wise? He never studied any of those things. And the reality is, is because he's in constant reflection and meditation. He's sitting out there and he's spending hours and days in reflection and meditation, right? Because you're sitting alone. All of those things are our habits and all of us have the chance to do it.
10:45 Speaker 01 So you you could be on the tube for a commute of forty minutes a day and you could be in that commute cursing life. And that's a very good forty minute exercise to work and another forty minute going back. Or you could be spending the forty minutes in gratitude. You could be first, you know, spending the forty minutes listening to music. Could be doing whatever, what you will do for forty minutes a day will rewire your brain.
11:12 Steven Bartlett? It really is like a paradigm shifting thought that our brains are in this constant growth and evolution. But when we look at, as you said, my muscles are, my muscles are changing state, size, growing more fibers to achieve their objective in a different way. And of course, my brain is as well. And when you think about that, it's really liberating because you realize that you're not stuck with who you are.
11:32 Speaker 01 Absolutely not.
11:33 Steven Bartlett? It's my friend Ro, she's she's got a podcast as well. She, um, one of the smartest people I've ever met and she she worked in my company for many years and she got a brain tumor. And she showed me the scan of her brain. They found this golf ball in the middle of her brain and they removed it. And she showed me those brain scans and then just months later, the hole is gone.
11:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:57 Steven Bartlett? And her brain has regrown that part and there's no longer a hole in her brain. And that was one of those moments when I go, oh, my God, the brain like like everything around us is a living organism that is shaping and evolving based on the inputs and what's happening to it.
12:13 Speaker 01 So let's choose what's which parts of it are we going to grow? I think that's the whole point.
12:18 Steven Bartlett? And we grow it with our actions and our thoughts.
12:20 Speaker 01 Repetitive actions, thoughts and memories. Believe it or not, one of the interesting things is if you take a memory in the past.
12:26 Steven Bartlett? Yeah.
12:27 Speaker 01 And you think about it over and over and over, it's as if you're it's happening over and over and you're growing the neurons that are needed. You're growing the connections between the neurons that are needed to trigger that memory. Think happy memories. Okay, if you sit next to your partner and focus on one thing that they do and go like they say, do this, they do this, they do this, they do this. And forget that they do a hundred other things that you you love and appreciate. Your neuroplasticity is making you completely obsessed about that one thing. And you can only see that one thing. And eventually, you know, some of my friends after a breakup, I go like, so what happened then? They'll say one thing. It's like just you could, they obsess about it over and over because your brain is growing to say, he needs to think about this, right?
13:12 Speaker 01 I'm gonna make it easier to think about this. I'm gonna make it faster, more accessible.
13:18 Steven Bartlett? And you'll see it more often, like the red cars. You know, the old thing about when you, if you buy like a red car, if you buy like a green car, then every car you see will appear to be green. If you buy a Range Rover, every car you see is a Range Rover.
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