RAISING YEAST Ft. Holmes | Episode 179

The one and only Holmes is here this week!! Drew and Holmes talk about their role in Overcompensating, haircuts, ranking gluten, getting pranked with Doritos for Christmas, surprise parties, having the most popular dog at the vet, farting in front of your partner, and so much more. Holmes IG: https://www.instagram.com/_holmes_holmes/?hl=en Holmes Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@_holmes_holmes?lang=en Follow The Comment Section on IG! Good News for Great Hair: The Best Haircare is at Sephora. https://www.sephora.com/shop/hair-products Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  Welcome to 215 Maple Drive. We just put this property on the market.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  Love the crown molding.

• 0:08Speaker 00

  Oh, wait until you see the walk-in closets and the bathroom tile.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  Does it have Verizon FiOS? You know, 100% fiber internet?

• 0:16Speaker 00

  No FiOS, but it looks like it's got cable. Let's check out the kitchen.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  No FiOS? Yeah, no thank you.

• 0:23Speaker 00

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• 0:25Speaker 02

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• 1:02Speaker 04

  My mom paid money for me to go to a class that every single week their one thing was, "Put your finger under the line." And I go, "I'm here for hours and that's all you're teaching me?" Can you imagine? Did I learn? I learned that I hate... You know what I learned from that class? I fucking hate reading.

• 1:22Drew Afualo?

  Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show. Sorry, me, your fave. Everybody knows me, who cares about me. Onto the guests today. We have the iconic, the legendary, the unbelievably hilarious, Homs.

• 1:37Drew Afualo?

  Welcome to the pod. We did talk for 20 minutes before I did the intro.

• 1:41Speaker 04

  We chatted, it meant the world to me. I'm happy to be here. Well, I needed a warm-up, I did. I need a foreplay. This is our first time meeting, and just so the audience knows, I'm like a big fan. Like, I look up to you in like a way that is, yeah, I really do. Like, you're one of the few bright lights on TikTok that I would like stop. And there is probably a month phase where like I could only watch you before bed. Everyone's like, yeah, everyone's like pushing it. No, it just, it really is. I don't know, you know when you hear people say something for the first time that you think everyone is thinking? That's what it felt like for me. It was like when I like, do you know Aubrey Gordon is? She wrote what we don't talk about when we talk about fat and she does the podcast maintenance phase?

• 2:18Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 2:19Speaker 04

  So I love her and Michael Hobbs. I love that podcast.

• 2:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 2:22Speaker 04

  Anyways, I just remembered when like her in general, she would say certain shit like in what we don't talk about when we talk about fat. That was just like, like talk about growing up how like when someone who's like bigger than you like shits or someone smaller than you shits on their body in front of you. How it's obviously a direct insult, but then she would have like all these fucking stats, you know what I mean? And I'd be like, wow, that feels like more powerful to hear than I could have ever imagined, you know? I was like, that maybe like was a healed all my trauma and that's how I feel with men because I just like, I'm like, it's annoying on the news. It just like, won't be like, and once again, like all the shooters are men, you know, like they always say all the other stuff.

• 2:54Drew Afualo?

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• 3:33Speaker 04

  Let's just say it.

• 3:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, let's just say it.

• 3:35Speaker 04

  I get in trouble for honesty a lot in my life as well.

• 3:38Drew Afualo?

  They hate an honest person.

• 3:40Speaker 04

  The honesty, they hate the discomfort that comes with it.

• 3:42Drew Afualo?

  Right, I agree.

• 3:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:44Drew Afualo?

  And I think there's also, first of all, that's very sweet. Thank you so much. And I am also a huge fan of you as well. Obviously we've been loving each other through Caleb in a lot of ways also, which fuck him, but.

• 3:54Speaker 04

  Well, fuck that guy. I mean. He fucked with my heart. He ghosted me.

• 4:01Drew Afualo?

  He does flirt a lot and he needs to chill.

• 4:03Speaker 04

  He flirts a lot. And the other day, he posted a clip, actually, talking to Natalie and Charlie Barty. He like had a line in there where he's like, yeah, Holmes gets goosebumps. And no one even picked up on it. And I watched it and I was like, that is like.

• 4:17Drew Afualo?

  First of all.

• 4:18Speaker 04

  I was like, first off, private. Yeah. First off, private. I got goosebumps, private. That was one on one. They don't even, they didn't even stop on it. It made everyone so uncomfortable. They said, we'll just let that sit there. You know, but it is. But honestly, that's partially because I've just like taken celibate eras, I think. And what will happen is like, no, it's, he'll like, he'll like tickle my neck. I'll get full body goosebumps. And he's like, ew. And I'm like, well, what are you expecting? You touch my neck and I'm not hooking up with anyone at the moment.

• 4:40Drew Afualo?

  Like, that kind of seems like it's on you.

• 4:41Speaker 04

  Sorry, you keep touching my neck, telling me you want to buy a house together, have kids together. I don't know what.

• 4:45Drew Afualo?

  Sorry, I'm starting to believe you.

• 4:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:47Drew Afualo?

  Sorry about that.

• 4:48Speaker 04

  Sorry. Also, you're the most masculine friend I have. Like, that's the thing is like, my straight guy friends, 10 times more feminine than Caleb. Caleb like says things that it's kind of like, ugh, you know, sometimes in a way that I'm like, you seem like a straight guy, so let's get the job done.

• 4:58Drew Afualo?

  You got the energy at least.

• 5:00Speaker 04

  Let's do this one.

• 5:00Drew Afualo?

  Of the illusion of it.

• 5:01Speaker 04

  No, there was one night we had a sleepover and it was like, we were falling asleep fully. And then he kind of did like make a joke, almost like to make a move. But it felt so believable in the moment that I actually did get kind of shy and was like, what? And then he like busted out laughing. I kind of got shy. Like, I was like, I mean, we couldn't, right?

• 5:18Drew Afualo?

  We can't. We shouldn't.

• 5:20Speaker 04

  No, I never will. There's a couple, but there are a few gay guys that if I found out they hooked up with a girl, it would be like a knife. Yeah, I love Caleb. We were connected through Caleb. I was waiting to have a moment. I wanted it to be original on our own. So then when you followed me back, which I.

• 5:34Drew Afualo?

  And he could never take credit for it.

• 5:35Speaker 04

  Well, because you were at his birthday party and I had like a really quick moment with you, but you were kind of like taking in the party and like just kind of, and I was like, I can't. It was loud and people were dancing. So I was like, you mean everything to me. Like, I was, I didn't want to like be a fucking nut.

• 5:47Drew Afualo?

  And can I tell you, I was on 60 milligrams of an edible.

• 5:50Speaker 04

  You know what it looked like?

• 5:51Drew Afualo?

  So I was assessing.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, it looked like I go, I've been there. I go, I've been there. She's locked in.

• 5:56Drew Afualo?

  Also, I was dressed like Caleb from HBO Max's Sweethearts, so.

• 5:59Speaker 04

  That was really sweet of you.

• 6:00Drew Afualo?

  That was affecting my vibe too, I think, was my outfit.

• 6:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, I did Danny Zuko and everyone guessed just about everything else. People guessed things that I'd never heard of. They were like Lady Gaga as a man. I was like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

• 6:11Drew Afualo?

  Okay, well, that seems like just an insult.

• 6:13Speaker 04

  What is that thing? And that actually shows you where I'm on the gender spectrum, because I was just like, I mean, if you're attracted to it. I was getting hit on in a way that night where I was like, I might have to cut my hair. You know, like, I was like, I might have to cut-

• 6:25Drew Afualo?

  This is doing something for me a little bit.

• 6:26Speaker 04

  It was doing something. I was like, girls who never talked to me are like coming up to this Danny Zuko thing. They're not getting it, but they're like having a crush, you know?

• 6:32Drew Afualo?

  You're experiencing gender euphoria.

• 6:35Speaker 04

  Sometimes. I always want to, I want to get a pixie cut once in my life, but growing up, they would always tell me I had the wrong face shape. And so then I like just- Every hair salon, every hairstylist my mom would take me to, you know, they'd always take me to a place and they'd look a few lines with me because I have like thin hair. I'm not upset about it. So, you know?

• 6:53Drew Afualo?

  You shouldn't be.

• 6:54Speaker 04

  There's just so many things to be upset about, right? I don't have time for that. And they like to do this game though with us with thin hair where they'll be like, "No, it's not thin. You just got a ton of fine ones." That's the one line they always do. So they would do that and then they would talk about my face shape quite a bit. The face shape did more damage just because I haven't got the cuts I wanted.

• 7:12Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 7:12Speaker 04

  Have you ever got a haircut that like affected your life?

• 7:15Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah. Well, in the sense of experiencing an immediate regret, yes. Absolutely. Being like, well, the first time I ever cut my hair short and I got like full bangs, not like a curtain fun bang, like a full bang. My hair, and this is not like to brag in any way, my hair is really thick.

• 7:33Speaker 04

  It's like stunning, beautiful hair. It's like, it's an asset, yeah.

• 7:37Drew Afualo?

  But it's thick as hell, which means it looked like a real helmet. I was like serving World War II a little bit.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:42Drew Afualo?

  With my bang, but I thought I was giving. I really did.

• 7:45Speaker 04

  Did it take one person being too honest?

• 7:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it was more so like, okay, so the bangs, are we keeping them? Do we love them? Or like, what do we think? And I, it really did look like I had like a mop on my head like that. Like it didn't look good at all, but I didn't care.

• 8:00Speaker 04

  But you pushed through. You worked it.

• 8:02Drew Afualo?

  I persevered. I'll gaslight myself by that measure.

• 8:05Speaker 04

  Well, that's the thing with hair. It's just like, it's gonna change pretty soon, you know? I had one in college though. I tried like this short, but she just like didn't give it any volume or anything. And I was dating a guy at the time, so sweet. Like, he was just like literally actually an angel. And so he was mostly kind to me. And then he saw it and I was like, I don't know. I feel like she didn't. And he was like- Oh, like you could tell it like affected him how bad it was, but then he like had to do a switch fast. But then that look launched into me like, you know, having

• 8:31Drew Afualo?

  Feel like you hesitated.

• 8:32Speaker 04

  Some dark few months. Yeah, of course.

• 8:34Drew Afualo?

  My, my sister cut her hair short recently, but she got it a little bit shorter the last, oops, I dropped a ring.

• 8:39Speaker 04

  Oh, okay, throwing things.

• 8:42Drew Afualo?

  All right. Uh, I, she called me, but when she called me, her face was like,

• 8:50Drew Afualo?

  just so, and I go, I can't tell if you hate it. Can you tell me how you feel before I chime in?

• 8:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see how you feel first.

• 8:57Drew Afualo?

  How are you feeling? How are we feeling? And she feels, she loves it now, because now it's

• 9:01Speaker 04

  Is that it?

• 9:01Drew Afualo?

  I think it was at the time she had like straightened it, so it was, it was real Will Byers at the time.

• 9:06Speaker 04

  Yes, I don't know who Will Byers is.

• 9:08Drew Afualo?

  From Stranger Things, it's like Coconut Head.

• 9:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, got it.

• 9:11Drew Afualo?

  Kind of deal.

• 9:12Speaker 04

  Did you, you locked in on that show?

• 9:14Drew Afualo?

  What, Ned's Declassified?

• 9:15Speaker 04

  Stranger, Stranger Things.

• 9:16Drew Afualo?

  Oh, Stranger Things, no.

• 9:17Speaker 04

  No.

• 9:18Drew Afualo?

  I do, I act, this is my thing. When people tell me, have you watched Stranger Things? Most often times I'll go, yeah. Even though I've seen highlights at best, and I just feel like I got the gist.

• 9:28Speaker 04

  You got the gist. It's like they're underground. It like looks like the inside of a stomach or something.

• 9:31Drew Afualo?

  Right, there's like a bald girl.

• 9:33Speaker 04

  And it like makes adults like wanna fuck kids. But that's not what the show's about. But it was something that really happened.

• 9:40Drew Afualo?

  It's an unfortunate byproduct, but that, that is not the point.

• 9:43Speaker 04

  No, but when you don't watch it, that's like a takeaway, you know? Unfortunately, that was like a takeaway. I know, I'm not good, I, I'm trying to be better about lying when I haven't, uh, haven't seen something. Just because then next thing you know, it's like I have an opinion on it and, cause I, I hate not being able to chime in opinion wise, you know?

• 9:57Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that never stops me from chiming in. I'll give my full, I'll give a full opinion with no information whatsoever.

• 10:03Speaker 04

  Well, that was my own Stranger Things.

• 10:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, well, oh, my opinion on Stranger Things, enough.

• 10:09Drew Afualo?

  That's it. Knock it off. We're done.

• 10:12Speaker 04

  We got it.

• 10:12Drew Afualo?

  We're done.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  Do you have time through your, I feel like your life is genuinely, people want you all the time, like your attention, right? So like, do you watch much TV?

• 10:20Drew Afualo?

  No, never. And honestly, I, I've said before, when I do watch TV or movies, I watch the same like two, three things.

• 10:27Speaker 04

  Comfort shit.

• 10:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and, and many, many people have told me that's a sign of autism, and I don't know how to feel about it, quite frankly.

• 10:33Speaker 04

  Recently, I mean, I don't even know.

• 10:34Drew Afualo?

  Most things they tell me, I, I say I like, like, things that I find quirky and fun about myself turn out to some.

• 10:40Speaker 04

  They go stemming out.

• 10:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for some reason they're like, well, I do that too, and it's because I'm autistic. I'm like, oh.

• 10:45Speaker 04

  I know, this is something that Caleb and I honestly like don't even talk about really, but it's like, literally, I was on the, I don't even know if I lasted a few cup, but probably not, because, you know, here we are alive, so. But I was on anxiety medicine for 10 years, and then I went off of it this winter, because I was like, kind of just like sad still, and it was just like, this couldn't be what medicated is like, you know? Like, I think my body just became fully immune, maybe after years and years. But then I like, wasn't that anxious. And then, my therapist kind of suggested sort of like this odd ADHD thing, because they didn't start diagnosing it until 2013, where it's like autism and ADHD. And I was just like, ultimately, Isabelle, like, you mean the world to me, and like, we're gonna kind of break this apart, but I'm not gonna like, go deep with all the tests, because like, we just have bigger fish to fry right now, you know? And it's like, people in my own community are gonna bully me.

• 11:28Drew Afualo?

  And I can't have that on the record yet.

• 11:30Speaker 04

  We're gonna figure it out, and it does make sense.

• 11:33Drew Afualo?

  Her combining those two and giving you a hybrid is kind of insane.

• 11:36Speaker 04

  Well, the thing is, the ADHD, people have become more comfortable talking about, or whatever. That one, there's no hiding that for me, right? Like, that, you talk to me for a second, you come in my car, you take a peek, you know, you see me get ready, like, if you come in my house, do you go, ah, you're diagnosed, you know? That's just my truth, and, um, but, like, yeah, it's like when, I mean, I remember old Caleb, because Caleb is very like, he's put together in ways. But I remember one time, he was like, he's like, that bitch never knows where her debit card is, about someone else, and I go, Caleb, I never know where my debit card is. So lock in on those bitches, because they're our ride or dies for life, you know? And, but yeah, I think that they said they don't, didn't diagnose them together until 2013, and I don't want to take up spaces in communities I shouldn't take up the spaces in, but it did start to really add up, because like, half the brain really wants like, structure,

• 12:19Speaker 04

  and is very sensory overloaded, which I don't drink alcohol anymore, but I used to drink a lot, sorry. And, it made sense, because I'd be in these like, comedy spaces all the time, or spaces that were like, filled with people so loud, so much stimulus, but I really wanted to be there, because then this side is like, new, new, fun, fun. And I wrote this one thing that was like, oftentimes, people with odd ADHD will move once a year. I've moved every year since I was 18. I go, oh, whoa. It was a bummer to read, but, yeah. Anyways, who knows if it's real.

• 12:47Drew Afualo?

  You, I felt very seen by you in a way that was kind of frightening, because it feels like you're diagnosing me a little bit, so there's that. I'll have to unpack that with my therapist later.

• 12:55Speaker 04

  I think that the truth is that it's like, yeah, I'm not gonna go take up spaces, I'm not gonna go on a platform, I'm not gonna do ads for autism, I promise you that, you know? Uh, but I am gonna like, I guess feel more comfortable saying out loud that it did. Feel like something that was helpful for me to research more?

• 13:09Drew Afualo?

  No, absolutely, it does. When I, well, and it's kind of like, I was just, I was more so just blithely unaware of the manifestations of mental illnesses or, or different kinds of disabilities. Like, I've never had that kind of exposure before until I got older, like in my twenties.

• 13:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:24Drew Afualo?

  Cause at first I was like, no, I don't really think like, anything's really that wrong with me because I'm a very productive person, um, which like does, leans away from some of the diagnoses. And I remember one time I was explaining in great detail to my fiance, how my brain works, like how I generally have thought pattern and what it sounds like. When I was explaining it to him, I was like, so let's say I'm driving home and when I get home, I want to shower and go to my room. I will plan every single step from the minute I get in the car till I'm driving, like I'm like, I'm going to put my right hand up here and I'm going to put my left hand up here and then I'm going to pull in on this side of the driveway and then I'm going to get out and I'm going to put my keys down in this specific place. Like, that's how my brain works. It's like pre-planning. And so he was like, that sounds like a nightmare. And I said, you don't be

• 14:07Drew Afualo?

  thinking like, well, okay, well, not a safe space, apparently.

• 14:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That sounds like a nightmare. You're like, well, it's my brain space. So let's be calling it a daydream, you know?

• 14:16Speaker 04

  No, mine, I, I don't do it like that, but I have a, mine is alarm. So like, I have alarms throughout the day to like, like literally one says go to bed. Like literally in some, one went off when I was at a friend's house last night and they like took a peek and then they immediately, ah, ah, started laughing. I go, don't be looking at my life like that. You know, I live alone for a reason.

• 14:31Drew Afualo?

  Don't watch me do things.

• 14:32Speaker 04

  But it is funny because people live with me for a month and they go, hey, so we can't really have alarms going off once an hour.

• 14:39Speaker 04

  And I go, I don't really know how I'm sort of like moving ahead with the day.

• 14:41Drew Afualo?

  I will set a ton of alarms though, now that I think about it. Like, I'll set them. Yeah, and I'll do like, one at like the hour and then I'll do like 20 minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes, the next hour.

• 14:50Speaker 04

  Me too. It helps me be like, you think about this for a little while and then it's like on to the next.

• 14:54Drew Afualo?

  We're like.

• 14:55Speaker 04

  Otherwise, I'll just, otherwise, there's, there's such important things to think about, as you know, like all the time. But it's like, that's not, I live under capitalism. So unfortunately for 30 minutes, I'm going to be doing this. You know what I mean? But it's like, otherwise.

• 15:06Drew Afualo?

  To compartmentalize.

• 15:07Speaker 04

  I have to. Without the alarms, I'm not gonna. Without the alarms, I picture me just like learning how to water ski. Like, I don't know how to explain it. Like, without the alarms, it's just like me like getting nothing done, but like on the water.

• 15:17Drew Afualo?

  But doing something you're not supposed to be doing.

• 15:20Speaker 04

  Everyone's like, we don't know who's driving the boat. We don't know how she got out there.

• 15:24Speaker 04

  But she definitely doesn't have any of her stuff turned in.

• 15:26Drew Afualo?

  I know she has other things she should be doing instead, but unfortunately she is not doing those things.

• 15:30Speaker 04

  Okay, what about like, are you cleaning laundry kind of vibes? Do you do this or do you outsource? Just be honest with me.

• 15:35Drew Afualo?

  I outsource.

• 15:36Speaker 04

  Okay, are you mad at her? Because I feel like at a certain point, it's like, you can, what do people expect from me?

• 15:42Drew Afualo?

  There's only so much time in the day.

• 15:43Speaker 04

  There's only so much time in the day, you know, I go, my phone's, do, do, do, the alarms are going off, I'm like fucking like soaping stuff up.

• 15:51Speaker 04

  My mom, my mom, her house, you could eat off the ground. I go, she's still, and I go, I go, I want you to stop cleaning, stop. I look at her, the other guy was at my house, she's on her hands and knees. I go, you're 60s, I go, this is enough. I won't see you on your hands and knees again. I don't, I don't agree with this anymore.

• 16:06Drew Afualo?

  The lifestyle you're choosing, I'm not liking it. I don't like what I see.

• 16:09Speaker 04

  You guys are at an age where I say, blow what's left. You know, blow what money's left and live a little. Get off your hands and knees, I don't want to see you down there again. No one's eating off the floor.

• 16:17Drew Afualo?

  Me to my parents all the time.

• 16:18Speaker 04

  You're mean to them?

• 16:18Drew Afualo?

  No, my mom is always constantly trying to do stuff for me and I'm always like, can you just sit down?

• 16:22Speaker 04

  Me too, stop.

• 16:23Drew Afualo?

  Sit, sit, sit and relax, sit and relax, please.

• 16:25Speaker 04

  Relax, figure it out.

• 16:26Drew Afualo?

  I've told my mom hundreds of times on the phone, I'm like, just let me take care of it. And so he's like, well, I can do it, I can do it, I could. I know you can do it. I don't want you to do it. Please sit down before I freak out.

• 16:37Speaker 04

  I know, but I don't do it the way she likes it, that's the issue. I'll do the dishes and then I'll like come, wake up in the night, it's like 2 a.m. and she's like re-washing them. I'm like, this isn't, you know. There she goes.

• 16:49Speaker 04

  I'm obsessed, you know, can't do it her way. And you know, to her credit, I'm really bad at some of the stuff.

• 16:54Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 16:56Drew Afualo?

  Now to that point.

• 16:57Speaker 04

  To that point, if you look at a drawer and my mom folded the stuff versus me, we're gonna, one's gonna go in a catalog, one's gonna go, she has a diagnosis and we talked about it recently.

• 17:06Drew Afualo?

  We're worried about you, we have to talk to a doctor. Do you watch a lot of the same stuff? Or do you watch new stuff a lot?

• 17:11Speaker 04

  No, so I'm really bad at like new, movies specifically, like the classics. I'm like, were you guys growing up just like locked in your room watching movies? I was only allowed to watch 30 minutes of TV a day, like, I don't know, I think, I don't know if that had to do with my mom's depression, like she needed us out of the house to like kind of take a breath. Or if it was just that she wanted us in nature, but she was like, no TV, go outside.

• 17:30Drew Afualo?

  My mom was like that too. Same thing. Or, or my option would be to go outside or to read. Which I was like, I don't wanna do that.

• 17:36Speaker 04

  That was probably an option to me that I like kinda put down fast, which now I have gotten into. It took years of figuring it out, but I do audiobooks, but I love audiobooks.

• 17:43Drew Afualo?

  Oh, nice.

• 17:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, but growing up, we didn't, they didn't have words for ADD because I was like a girl, so they were just like, she's nuts, you know? They, my mom, but even, she cared so much because my sister like can just like hyper-focus in a book. Like we could be, there's this one horrible family member we have, we're in like a car, it's like this big family fight, I won't tell details, love you mom. Um, but basically like I'm crying, my mom and dad are yelling, I look over at Candace, walked in, just in a book, just literally like flipping pages, can't even hear us. And at that moment, I was just like, it's just unfair, you know?

• 18:12Drew Afualo?

  That must be so nice.

• 18:13Speaker 04

  I know, I don't have that, so they put me in like reading class where I was like, my mom paid money for me to go to a class that every single week their one thing was, put your finger under the line. And I go, I'm here for hours and that's all you're teaching me? Can you imagine? Did I learn? I learned that I hate, you know what I learned from that class? I fucking hate reading. And then I learned that, but I love reading now. Now I love reading, cause reading is listening and walking around and cleaning.

• 18:37Drew Afualo?

  And, and you know what? That is reading.

• 18:39Speaker 04

  Do you sit down to read?

• 18:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for the most part. I have a Kindle.

• 18:42Speaker 04

  I'm jealous of it.

• 18:43Drew Afualo?

  I love a Kindle.

• 18:44Speaker 04

  I do love books now, I really, really do.

• 18:45Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that's good, I'm so glad. I'm like you though with the classics, same. I haven't seen most classic movies there, I've seen, I feel like some of the movies I watched continuously, like nobody watched.

• 18:56Speaker 04

  Which ones? Walk to Remember for me.

• 18:58Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that's a great one.

• 18:59Speaker 04

  I mean, her Grease bangs, I fucking love that song. Mandy Moore with just like three bangs, you know, oh, like, like The Only Hope song, I was singing that.

• 19:08Drew Afualo?

  I, you know what I love the most about that movie is like, you know when she's getting dogged out in the cafeteria, like they made that pornographic picture of her, remember when they're like fucking her up?

• 19:16Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 19:17Drew Afualo?

  And everyone's like, fucking, look at this, look at this puritanical bitch with, she doesn't have huge tits, like they're being so awful and terrible to her.

• 19:23Speaker 04

  Everyone's like, what if, we wanted to fuck her, you know, like what?

• 19:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, which is weird, a weird kinda bullying in my opinion.

• 19:29Speaker 04

  It was.

• 19:29Drew Afualo?

  But then when the guy comes over and sits with her and then he's like, you know, defending her, whatever.

• 19:34Speaker 04

  He's like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, look at me, look at me.

• 19:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And then when she says, when they have their conversation after and she goes, don't fall in love with me, I for real thought, that bitch is so delusional and I'm with her, I'm on her team. Like she's getting actively bullied, like genuine, they're throwing papers at her fucking head. And then she goes, you're gonna want me after this, by the way.

• 19:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, she knew.

• 19:55Drew Afualo?

  That's the level of confidence I can relate to.

• 19:58Speaker 04

  She knew the whole time.

• 19:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 20:00Speaker 04

  She had three wet bangs. She goes, you're gonna... Everyone in school was bullying her. She's wearing a skirt down to her toes. She goes, "You're gonna wanna taste."

• 20:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And I bet you're gonna wanna see what's underneath this skirt, aren't you?

• 20:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:13Drew Afualo?

  Underneath my prairie skirt. I bet. I bet you will.

• 20:16Speaker 04

  Someone spoke to me last night and it was God and he said, "You want a piece."

• 20:22Drew Afualo?

  That's what I was like, Mark's still on her forehead from that stack of papers they got thrown at her and she said, "You're gonna want me so bad."

• 20:27Speaker 04

  You know one big issue with that? I love that movie. I've seen it a million times. But I love, honestly, many more movies for me. Shout out, you mean the world to me. But she, uh, oh, they made cemeteries seem way too romantic.

• 20:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 20:40Speaker 04

  When they were out there looking at the stars, I go, "I promise you this. I go to a cemetery at night in any city I've ever lived in, it's not gonna look like this."

• 20:46Drew Afualo?

  No, absolutely not.

• 20:46Speaker 04

  One guy pulls out a blanket, "I'm not gonna touch you." Yeah, fucking right.

• 20:52Drew Afualo?

  So the first lie you've ever told me.

• 20:54Speaker 04

  That's the first lie.

• 20:55Drew Afualo?

  The market.

• 20:55Speaker 04

  Did he bring the telescope or not?

• 20:57Drew Afualo?

  I'm looking at constellations or what?

• 20:59Speaker 04

  What would you do if someone bought a star for you?

• 21:01Drew Afualo?

  Bought a star for me?

• 21:02Speaker 04

  That's a big part of it, you know?

• 21:03Drew Afualo?

  That is true.

• 21:04Speaker 04

  And a lot of movies copied that after, I feel like.

• 21:06Drew Afualo?

  That is, that is very true. It became, it became so popular.

• 21:08Speaker 04

  Would you roll your eyes or be like, "That's sweet."

• 21:10Drew Afualo?

  I'd be like, uh, yeah, I think I would be like, "Oh, that's so sweet." And I think it's because like, I have no connection to space, so like, it wouldn't mean, it would be like, "You don't know me at all." Like, that's like getting me something, "You don't know me, you don't know me at all."

• 21:22Speaker 04

  You don't know me at all.

• 21:23Drew Afualo?

  I don't give a fuck about space.

• 21:24Speaker 04

  How often do you think about space?

• 21:27Drew Afualo?

  Hardly ever, to be honest.

• 21:28Speaker 04

  This is one of my favorite things to learn about people. Because the question, the, the range of answers, people really will be like, every day.

• 21:35Drew Afualo?

  That's true. There's no in-between.

• 21:37Speaker 04

  No. Cause I was one of, I was like you, until probably four years ago, I switched up.

• 21:41Drew Afualo?

  They converted you.

• 21:42Speaker 04

  I tried to once a week. I tried to just be like, "Okay, it's fucking..." And then I go, "Woo, God." And it always makes me feel sick. A little bit.

• 21:50Drew Afualo?

  So are you still using that practice or no?

• 21:52Speaker 04

  I tried to once a week. Now it's starting to have an effect where it's like...

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• 22:07Speaker 01

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• 22:09Speaker 00

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• 22:12Speaker 01

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• 22:16Speaker 00

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• 22:20Speaker 01

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• 22:23Speaker 00

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• 23:03Speaker 04

  Well, no wonder stuff's fucked. Like, or something, we're starting to have this thing where I'm like, yeah, we're in sp- like, you know, it's starting to have this, like, feeling, because my sister is someone- and there are pronouns, are they them, but we- sister is such a term of endearment, so that's confusing, sorry. But they think about space, like, all the time. So when I asked them growing up, they were like, every day, and I was just like- like, I remember being so, like, weird, how are we born from the same woman, you know? But it makes them feel, like, less lonely, or, like, less afraid, or something.

• 23:29Drew Afualo?

  I think that's a beautiful way of looking at space.

• 23:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, where, to me, growing up, I thought about it once, growing up. And I remember the chair I was in. And I felt, it was actually one of the- it was shaped like this, but just a different color and pattern. But, um, I felt so sick and unscared that I was like, we're not going to think about that till we're an adult.

• 23:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, so I'm locking that away.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, I go, I go, so that makes me feel something that we don't have the tools for.

• 23:52Drew Afualo?

  We will revisit in 10 years.

• 23:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's kind of too much, you know, especially I haven't figured out my, sort of, what I believe in, or anything like that, you know?

• 23:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, when I watch, I watched Interstellar recently, I remember, I think- you love that movie?

• 24:04Speaker 04

  I haven't seen it, but everyone loves it. I need to watch it, it's on my list.

• 24:07Drew Afualo?

  Exactly, I think most Oscar any movies, I'm always like- sometimes when I watch Oscar-nominated movies, or ones with a lot of buzz through award season, I'm like- Am I just the dumbest bitch alive? Like, I'm just, I'm not absorbing it. Like, I'll, I'll watch it sometimes and I'll be like, I hated that. Like,

• 24:23Speaker 04

  No.

• 24:23Drew Afualo?

  That sucked.

• 24:24Speaker 04

  It's not.

• 24:24Drew Afualo?

  And then I watch people make videos about them. They're like, oh, so poignant because of this, this and this. And I'm like, Yeah. But in my head, I'm thinking, I hated that shit. Like, I, I was bored. I didn't like that.

• 24:35Speaker 04

  Well, that's kind of one of those things of just like, when someone says something's bad and it's like, well, I liked it. And it's like, so maybe it's good. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, how many does it take for like, which one matters, you know? I think about that was funny a lot. I'll be like, that's not funny. It's like, why the fuck am I laughing there?

• 24:49Speaker 04

  Feels like it might be fucking funny. Like, you know, it's like, hard to know.

• 24:53Drew Afualo?

  I know. I talked about that with two of my other guests that were on. They're, they're both stand-ups too. And we were talking about movies. I'm like, No, I haven't seen fucking Conclave, but I have seen Hobbs and Shaw. And I feel like most of you should watch it. I feel like you should get into it. I feel like if you looked at Melissa McCarthy's discography, a lot of you would change your mind about movies.

• 25:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:10Drew Afualo?

  Like, I'm, I'm, I'm there for a good time. I feel like, I like dramatic movies too. But there's some shit where, I was just saying this to my crew right before this.

• 25:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:18Drew Afualo?

  The new Superman. Happy for you. Happy for everyone involved. Congratulations.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  What's that called? Is it called Superman?

• 25:23Drew Afualo?

  I believe so.

• 25:24Speaker 04

  See, I don't, all these movies you said, this is where I go, where do I live? And I go, do I? And then I go, am I not seeing people? But it's like, I'm seeing people all the time. So I'm like, how have I not seen these? But I think it's because I'm just talking to people.

• 25:34Drew Afualo?

  Right. I think you're out in the real world.

• 25:36Speaker 04

  Or I'm like, at home with my cat. I mean, getting a pet was, I don't want to say a mistake. Like, I love her to death. And then I, it wasn't a mistake, but like, It's the closest I've come to understanding, like, the cruelty that men put women through. Because I get home and she's at the door, like, You know, and I'm like, get inside. You know, and it's just like, how am I doing this to her? Like, she only loves me. She's waiting for me all day long. Like,

• 25:55Drew Afualo?

  Right. She's in a toxic relationship.

• 25:56Speaker 04

  You have a pet?

• 25:57Drew Afualo?

  I have two.

• 25:58Speaker 04

  You have dogs?

• 25:58Drew Afualo?

  Two dogs, yeah. Two Frenchies.

• 26:00Speaker 04

  Well, and you have two people taking care.

• 26:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they have two, two Frenchies. Uh, are they living on the edge of death always? Of course. Of course they are. They're walking that line constantly. All they do is play in my fucking face, to be quite honest with you. Uh, one thing about them is they're gonna find a way to go to the hospital, and that's for sure. And every time people tell me about Frenchies, I'm like, You know, if you have time and a lot of money, they're great dogs.

• 26:20Speaker 04

  This is what I'm saying. I'm starting to feel bad.

• 26:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 26:22Speaker 04

  Like, she's like, she's like meowing at me, like, where the fuck have you been? Like, she literally, I get home and I'm like, you don't, and at night, she wants the windows open. I go, I try to explain to her, like, rape as a concept. I'm like, I want the windows open too.

• 26:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 26:34Speaker 04

  You know, like, it's like, she doesn't understand basic things.

• 26:35Drew Afualo?

  In a perfect world, we could have the windows open.

• 26:36Speaker 04

  In a perfect world. It's, once again, I'm like you. I wish we could both have them open. You know, I love fresh air too. You don't understand men yet.

• 26:44Drew Afualo?

  The concept of man is lost on you.

• 26:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm telling you, you're sort of like looking around. I'm like lock in mommy's trying to teach you something that could come up.

• 26:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, my, my dog's recently someone like my first dog I got, his name is Squid.

• 27:00Speaker 04

  Cute.

• 27:00Drew Afualo?

  And then our second dog's name is Tuna and Tuna is completely 100% deaf. And so

• 27:05Speaker 04

  It's not funny, though.

• 27:06Drew Afualo?

  It's not funny.

• 27:07Speaker 04

  I just was like their lives are different though and they like hang out.

• 27:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And what's crazy is Tuna tends to be more of a crowd favorite because he is eternally happy and relaxed because he can't hear anything. So it's like, it's pure ignorance.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  Are totally different.

• 27:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, his vibes are on 10 all the, he's happy and joyous because he can't hear shit.

• 27:24Speaker 04

  Fireworks. All the dogs are barfing. Tuna's like.

• 27:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And those big ass ears, like they're useless. Like they do nothing.

• 27:30Speaker 04

  They're just for looks.

• 27:31Drew Afualo?

  They're just there for looks. Yeah. They're like Mickey ears, you know, just put them on for fun.

• 27:35Speaker 04

  That's, that's cute. Also Tuna's at Disney.

• 27:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Uh, Tuna recently wanted to go to the hospital because they love the hospital. So he decided to eat something he wasn't supposed to, couldn't pass it, wasn't eating. I cried a lot. And then we took him. As soon as we got there, he was charming every nurse in that whole entire place.

• 27:57Speaker 04

  No, they're obsessed.

• 27:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And they were like, okay, we're going to keep him overnight and like monitor him and help him pass it, everything like that. I'm like, okay. Next day I called for an update and she was like, oh, Tuna, he is such a ham.

• 28:11Drew Afualo?

  And I go, yeah, he's, he's a real sweet boy. She goes, oh, everybody in here loves him. All the girls are fighting over who gets to take him outside for his potty breaks, all that shit. When I went to go pick his ass up, he was taking his sweet ass time coming to me because they were walking him out.

• 28:25Speaker 04

  Doing the rounds.

• 28:25Drew Afualo?

  And everyone's like, Tuna, goodbye, Tuna.

• 28:28Speaker 04

  Can't hear a thing. It shows you that you can feel the love. You can feel the love. Wait, were you proud?

• 28:35Drew Afualo?

  I was really proud. I'm glad I have a popular dog. Um, he pissed me the fuck off because I thought he was going to die. So obviously I was crying about that.

• 28:41Speaker 04

  He starts like throwing up and stuff?

• 28:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's like he starts throwing up, but throwing up for Frenchies is common, which is not a good thing, but he was refusing to eat. One thing about him, that bitch is going to eat. Like one thing about him. So when he was like going near his food and then running away from it and laying down, I was like, I'm going to kill myself.

• 28:58Speaker 04

  You're something's really wrong.

• 28:59Drew Afualo?

  Right. And so I knew, that's why I took him. And when she left too, I remember the vet called me when we took, picked him up. He was totally fine. We took him home. She called me, she goes, Hey, um, you guys left your dog bed here. And then I go, dog bed? And she goes, yeah, he had like this big dog bed in the crate. Uh, I'm assuming it's yours because we don't give dogs beds. And I go, that's not mine. I don't know where he got that from.

• 29:20Speaker 04

  Someone loved him so much.

• 29:21Drew Afualo?

  Someone literally brought him a dog bed and put it in that crate for just him. I said, that's fucked up to the other animals.

• 29:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the other ones are like shivering and stuff. Soon it's just like, I'm obsessed.

• 29:30Drew Afualo?

  Oh, okay. Well, we'll find out whose it is then. Never mind. And I was like, okay.

• 29:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:35Drew Afualo?

  All right. Yeah.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  You should have taken the dog bed. Don't call this number again. Yeah, seriously. We'll be back in a week.

• 29:40Drew Afualo?

  Right, for real. Oh, what were we talking about before this? Oh, Superman.

• 29:43Speaker 04

  Superman.

• 29:44Drew Afualo?

  Back to the type of-

• 29:44Speaker 04

  Don't know about it.

• 29:45Drew Afualo?

  So there's a new Superman coming out, which I think is great.

• 29:48Speaker 04

  You like him.

• 29:49Drew Afualo?

  Congratulations to all involved. I mean, I-

• 29:50Speaker 04

  Congratulations. Well, I would love to see one in real life.

• 29:54Drew Afualo?

  I don't want to talk shit on your friend, but like, I don't know much about Superman, so-

• 29:57Speaker 04

  Right.

• 29:57Drew Afualo?

  I, I was telling my crew right before this, I was like, can I ask, like, what will sound like the dumbest bitch question alive? Why do we need another one?

• 30:07Speaker 04

  Why do we need another?

• 30:07Drew Afualo?

  I don't know. Like, I was like, I'm, I'm not, not, I don't want to yuck your yum, but I'm just like curious, like. And each Superman feels like this one's different. How?

• 30:15Speaker 04

  How?

• 30:16Drew Afualo?

  Well, they're like, well, his, the last one, his dimple was on this side. This one, his dimple's on this side. That's how it feels when I watch men talk about it.

• 30:23Speaker 04

  I know. I, I'll be, here's the thing. I agree with you a hundred percent. It's like, I, but I also have to admit, like, I haven't seen these. So it's like one of those things, I haven't seen it, maybe there's something in them that I'm missing. But it does just feel like one of those things where it's like, look around. We do need some real life Superman and maybe like a soup, another superwoman movie, maybe like a nine more of those, you know? It feels like we're, it feels like if we're taking a peek at the culture, it might be what we don't need right now.

• 30:48Drew Afualo?

  And you know what? You're so real for that because when I was having this pointless conversation with my fiance where I'm just like, why? I, I'm just like, I get it. Like, I know people love him. I'm just like, I'm, I'm curious why each one is like the one.

• 31:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:00Drew Afualo?

  Uh, when we know that the last one just aged out. Like, we just know that as a fact, but like, okay, it's fine.

• 31:05Speaker 04

  The last one like ate a burrito. Everyone was like, "You can't do this franchise anymore."

• 31:10Drew Afualo?

  You're done, you're done. Um, I, but then when I was thinking about it, I was like, you know what I think really my bitterness comes from? Is like, is now the time to be uplifting a straight white guy?

• 31:21Speaker 04

  No.

• 31:22Drew Afualo?

  I think not. Calling him a hero? Well, I think now is not the time to be doing that.

• 31:26Speaker 04

  It just feels like really, really wild.

• 31:28Drew Afualo?

  I think that's my bitterness.

• 31:29Speaker 04

  That's my bitterness. I mean, I have to work on it. I've been working so extremely on, uh, looking at the people who inspire me and like celebrating them versus like being so judgmental because like I have so much rage and judgment inside me like that it's because I'm just like really like, it just is so wild in a city where all of these

• 31:51Speaker 04

  white dudes would like love to be in a period piece film about oppression. You know, and I'm like, let's see you sort of get to acting right now. You know, but I also am like, it doesn't help. So I'm trying to do more call and stuff like I'll just text you like, "Come to this with me," whatever. But it's like, it, I've been called judgmental and I go, "I am." I am, I'm working on it and I try to, yeah.

• 32:13Drew Afualo?

  I was talking about, the rage you're talking about is so funny because I told my sister once that whenever I see men specifically, this is a perfect example. Love Island, like everyone talking about Love Island.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 32:26Drew Afualo?

  Couldn't, I couldn't personally couldn't give a fuck less. I really couldn't.

• 32:29Speaker 04

  Not watching it right now.

• 32:30Drew Afualo?

  Again, happy for everyone involved. Congrats to all of you.

• 32:32Speaker 04

  Congrats.

• 32:33Drew Afualo?

  I did say though, that I feel like this season especially, I feel like people at home are watching that shit, like how the rich people in Squid Game watch the poor people kill each other. That's how it's feeling to me. Those are the energy, the vibes are giving me.

• 32:45Speaker 04

  They're needing an escape in a way that's like, hey, so everyone wants an escape. You know, like they're using it of like, "Thank God, thank God it's here." It's like, what if we all sort of get through this and then we don't have to like lean on Love Island so hard? But, well, you know what? I'm actually so glad you brought this up because so I am, this is my bad thing about me, whatever. It's like, uh, there's a bunch. Um, but I'm like a Bachelor Nation person. Like I actually watched all the Bachelor stuff growing up. As like, I think it's one of the like strongest comedies on television. And, but. Something happened, which is that they, I think their viewership like went down because everyone wanted it to look like. Okay, all I know is this, there was a new season of Bachelor in Paradise. I got together with a group of friends last night. We were like, we're gonna watch this. It's like, we talk, it's a show you can talk through, you know? Right, totally.

• 33:28Speaker 04

  They don't do, they completely switch everything about it. So it, and it felt like Wizard of Oz to like what wicked is now. Do you know what I mean? Where it like, used to be like, people like, walking down to a beach and it was like fucking awkward and it was like these weirdo, like, it was like these like, you know, like, societally, like hot people all like, learning how to talk to each other on this beach and like, then they would like, not, not be good at like, all their step, routines were harder to do down there. Like, they couldn't do all the steps. And so then suddenly you like, see the girls without makeup on, which is like fun. And then you're like, there's crabs and like, people are getting bit, you know? And it's like, and it's like, everyone is like, having to be sort of like, on this beach and it's like, raw. It's like, not edited weird. Right. New one? I was like, everyone hated me at the event last night. Not, not only three minutes went by where I was just like, this is the worst, you know? I was like, they're ruining this, because-

• 34:13Speaker 04

  You're checking in every time. I just couldn't believe, it's become now, every, how they filmed everything is like, high, like, it's um, everything's super bright and like, highlighter looking. And then it's like, zoomed in on people's faces. It's like, and everyone's like, walking, it's like, woo, and they're like, and it's this thing where I'm just like, this is not the show. And they made it look like a Love Island- It's a real like, Michael Bay movie now. It literally fucking looks like that. And I started feeling sick. I was like, my eyes are hurting really bad. Is this part of it? And then, but it was one of those things where I was like, it was sad because I was like, I mean, and I don't have any, I'm a bachelor can die, whatever. But I was just like, this is not, your viewers are not gonna stay for this. But it was like, oh, they're making it for people to like, watch on their phone, like these type of shows. Right. And I'm like- That makes sense. It's like, uh, they're making it clippable, more bitey. And I'm like, we want the old, we're, let us grow old with this. Yeah, well, and you, and that's true. That is strange too, because it's such an old show.

• 34:52Speaker 04

  I don't think it's gonna go well. I haven't like, logged on X, because you know, of course, there's a million better things for me to do with my time. But I am sure that people are probably like, what the fuck? Totally. And I think there's also like, there's been discourse about Love Island too, where it's obvious, and I've said this before, everyone goes on those shows to be famous. Like, it's not to find love, it's to be famous, which we all know. That's why it's fun to see them on the beach stuck together, in like- Pretending they're in love. In like, a play way, versus like, I don't want them up close. Like, I don't want it up close. I'm switching like this, sorry. Oh, please do. Yeah, and I think that with Love Island, I saw people saying, dude, that-

• 35:35Drew Afualo?

  It's you can tell these people are just trying to make it to the end like just trying to win they're not actually competing for realsies they're like trying to make it to the end which I'm like Yeah, I mean, when you commodify it and give them like social media careers after obviously there's a different incentive past just being on the show. The prize used to be being on the show which like I told I was having this again conversation with my fiance because he just lets me talk about anything. But I was telling him the magic of something like a Jersey Shore can never be recreated because the beauty of that was they didn't give a fuck about Looking a certain way that's just who they were and there happened to be cameras. So like they were just recording them like almost like in the wild the magic that was in Jersey Shore because I never really fucked with reality TV ever. That show I was locked the fuck in.

• 36:20Speaker 04

  Because they're being themselves it's bananas. This is why OG Bachelor and stuff same. I don't relate to these people. But that's actually why I liked it because once we get to the top three or four I'd be like you know what I actually love this girl now and I would have judged her and now if I saw a girl like this out I'd be like You're smart even though we do our days different you know like I actually love you and anyways yeah like now it is a completely different thing so you watch no reality TV now.

• 36:46Drew Afualo?

  Not really I mean unless it's the Great British Baking Show.

• 36:49Speaker 04

  I love the art competitions.

• 36:51Drew Afualo?

  I love that.

• 36:52Speaker 04

  Have you watched the clay the clay one and the glass blowing one I love as well.

• 36:56Drew Afualo?

  I haven't watched I've watched um the glass blowing one I have watched some of it.

• 36:59Speaker 04

  Blown away talk about some cool freaks. These are freaks.

• 37:03Drew Afualo?

  You ever watched Face Off?

• 37:05Speaker 04

  Face Off I watched the first season of because my friend uh my friend's like childhood best friend was on it Melanie. She and she made it pretty far so very cool.

• 37:12Drew Afualo?

  Okay too.

• 37:13Speaker 04

  I couldn't lock in as much I think it was just sometimes like how a product will have a prettier bottle or something there's something about like how blown away was shot that I like did lock in also the judgy like the blown away people like they're like Yeah, I'm about to lose my eyesight in three years but this is my passion and you're like whoa you know and you're like I need to dedicate to something for my life.

• 37:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah and Great British Baking Show I love that they don't they compete for that fuck ass cake platter like that's the only thing at the end like they're they're away for months.

• 37:40Speaker 04

  Because they're having fun.

• 37:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah and then when they help each other and all that but I also love when there's really old people on there that um they make it kind of like maybe a little bit far but then up to a certain point they're like Well, why didn't you add something different and they're like I like cherries. I loved that part like when they're like well I made what I liked and I like cherries and then they're just like ah. This last season, they had the first American to be in there, cuz he had like moved to the UK.

• 38:05Speaker 04

  I didn't watch this last season, tell me everything, what was his capitalism coming off?

• 38:09Drew Afualo?

  No, what I loved was like, no fucking way they have an American in there, but it's because he's lived in the UK for years with his wife, who's from the UK.

• 38:16Speaker 04

  Okay, support.

• 38:17Drew Afualo?

  He got sick like the first episode or something, like from the heat in the tent. So he like got sick and then had to go home early and then stayed home for like the next week and then they brought him back like the third week. And then he got hot again.

• 38:33Drew Afualo?

  And then in his interview, he goes, I'm going home. I love that guy. Hey, you got a fan of me, buddy.

• 38:39Speaker 04

  That is so funny. Well, on a show where the prize is basically like having fun with each other and cooking. If you're not having fun and cooking, then probably head out.

• 38:47Drew Afualo?

  That's the most American shit ever, be like, hey, yeah, you know what? Fuck this shit. There's nothing to win. I'm out. And the way he was just like getting hot and then he was drinking tea outside and they're like, how are you feeling? And then he goes, I'm going home. I love it.

• 38:59Speaker 04

  That is so iconic.

• 39:02Drew Afualo?

  Wasting everybody's goddamn time for no reason.

• 39:05Speaker 04

  It did really teach me, that show taught me about hobbies though, it really did. When I watched that in PSM, cuz I was like, we're not walking into hobbies the same way over here. And it did make me realize just like kind of a baseline fear that we kind of grow up with different or something.

• 39:16Drew Afualo?

  I know, when they, I would be out so fast in a show like that, it's not even funny. When they're like, make the fondant, I'm all.

• 39:21Speaker 04

  Make the fondant? When they're like, when they're, when they're making little, when they're making like little pieces that are like, detailed out of like, yeah, sugar, that's like glass, the patience. I'm the most impatient motherfucker in the world. I, I had a house for two years in Kansas City and I had a lawn and I would be mowing that thing. I'd be halfway through, I go, we're doing zigzags. Like I'd be like, I'd be like, I could possibly not do lines this long.

• 39:41Drew Afualo?

  Hey, we're done.

• 39:42Speaker 04

  Hey, so going back and forth like this, I'm bored as hell. Yeah. We're gonna start making some shades.

• 39:47Drew Afualo?

  I'm actually super fucking over this, so I'm leaving. I'm done. I quit.

• 39:51Speaker 04

  I don't know, do you consider yourself patient?

• 39:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I'm a pretty patient person. I mean.

• 39:55Speaker 04

  Who'd you get it from? Yourself, your mom?

• 39:57Drew Afualo?

  Uh, my dad, honestly, my mom is impatient and so is my sister. My sister is the most impatient person in the world. That being said, though, I can be really impatient about specific things. It's almost like, and it's almost always around buying like furniture or like something that I would like to have, like, and I have to order. And I'm like, I'll look at a couch for like days and I'll be like, this is the most beautiful thing. Oh my gosh, it's perfect. It's in my price range. Perfect. And then I'll see that delivery thing and it says two to three weeks and I go, this is actually the ugliest fucking couch I've ever seen and I hate it. And I don't need it because I'm gonna find a better one. So fuck you. Like, because I've decided I want it, so I want it now or tomorrow.

• 40:34Speaker 04

  That's me with food. I've never been able to cook. People are cooking. I go, I'm hungry now, so I'm probably gonna have to have a chip or something. You know, like the idea that people get hungry and then they're like, time to get to work. It's like, I'm hungry, so it's gonna be carrots and hummus, chips and salsa. We're gonna, and I'm gonna eat a lot of them. Don't stress on it. Like, I, I know. I've had my eating disorder. She, she came and went. Um, thank God. Uh, that's the thing. I don't know. I don't know if you've had an eating disorder before, but I had one when I was way younger and it was one of those things that they would teach you in your, uh, if you see a therapist about it or whatever, they'd be like, you're gonna have an eating disorder forever. And I'd be like, well, let's not start there. You know what I mean? Where I was like, I don't think I am. So I think I'm like here to actually get it done, you know?

• 41:13Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 41:13Speaker 04

  And I understand what they're saying of like, check in, you know? That's it. But I go, let's say that instead.

• 41:18Drew Afualo?

  Right. Let's rework the verbiage.

• 41:21Speaker 04

  It's not here anymore. You know? So I go, but I don't even mean about it. I'm just like, when you go, when you try to get better at something and someone goes, by the way, you're not gonna be able to. Let's get to work.

• 41:31Drew Afualo?

  And now let's get started.

• 41:32Speaker 04

  I don't wanna lock in that way.

• 41:33Drew Afualo?

  I wi- I'm with you on the cooking. I can't cook for shit. I like, and it's purely out of choice. I just, I said the same thing. I was like, I get bored. While I'm in there, I just get so bored. And then after my fiance loves to cook, so like, I like to designate myself as like the storyteller. So like, he'll cook, I'll sit at the counter, I'll fucking yap.

• 41:52Speaker 04

  See, this is cute. It's my dream.

• 41:54Drew Afualo?

  Works great for us, I think, because it's, I feel the same way when I see women, like the trad wife trend that's been super popular. When I see women baking shit from scratch. You couldn't pay me. Like I, like, I was like, okay, so when I do this, like that, like that lifestyle for me, if you love being a stay at home mom, cooking from scratch, that's perfect. I'm happy for you.

• 42:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:15Drew Afualo?

  Gun to my head, I'd rather it go off than do that for me personally.

• 42:19Speaker 04

  I can't see, I honestly think I can relate to a baking even more than a cooking, weirdly enough, because there's something about a baking where I go, we're going to maybe an event and I go, look what I did. You know, cooking, it's going in my mouth. I'm like, why was I doing a presentation, got my glue sticks out and everything, you know what I mean? Like, I was just out of control. But I'm with you. I want to like, find a, I would like to like, like if I see a girl cooking, I'm like, maybe she's the one, you know? I'm like, cause I need my fiance in that type of way. But she doesn't have to stay there. I go, I go, door's unlocked, honey. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go to work and you're free too, too.

• 42:52Drew Afualo?

  Unlike my cat, make sure she stays there.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. Make sure zinc stays the fucking side. You see her looking out a window, you put a blindfold on her. No, zinc is safe, zinc is safe.

• 43:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, when I found out, like, when I, I thought at one point, I was like, cause everybody was into sourdough for a minute. And I was like, I do love a sourdough loaf. I do, I, it was a moment. I do love a loaf. I think you guys are weird for locking in on sourdough specifically, but that's fine. I do love a loaf. When I found out you have to raise the yeast like, like a fucking baby.

• 43:19Speaker 04

  No, people are doing full science.

• 43:20Drew Afualo?

  Like a chicken? I have to ra, I have to pay attention to it? Please. I have enough going on.

• 43:24Speaker 04

  Well, then you like open one of their, you're like, can I have a glass of water? They're like, get one yourself. You like open a cupboard and you're like, oh, I'm in a lab, I'm in a lab, you know? You're like, what the fuck? Cause there's not just even bread, like there's bread, people are fermenting shit, like, that's what it is. Bread is fermenting, right? People are fermenting lots of stuff.

• 43:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I have to raise yeast.

• 43:42Speaker 04

  I have to raise, no, I'm not going to. That she talked back, yeah.

• 43:45Drew Afualo?

  I already, and I already have two creatures in my house that don't care if I live or die. So like, I don't need another.

• 43:49Speaker 04

  And they're sick.

• 43:50Drew Afualo?

  And they're sick all the time. And they're stealing dog beds and I don't know what to do about that. That's another problem.

• 43:55Speaker 04

  Do you have like a, what is your favorite loaf? I wouldn't pick sourdough either.

• 43:59Drew Afualo?

  I don't know. I, I don't think I know enough about bread, to be honest. I do love a sourdough though. I just thought it was weird they locked in on sourdough specifically.

• 44:06Speaker 04

  People, people just needed, they go, a project, which sometimes, sometimes we do need a project. I, sometimes I'll lock in on a project just for, you know, to keep everyone safe, including myself, right? If you ranked these crackers, noodle, bread, rice. Because people's answers are really different. Like I have, I have bread at the bottom, which people think is crazy.

• 44:24Drew Afualo?

  I don't think that's crazy, but I wouldn't put it at the bottom for myself. I would probably say noodles first, bread.

• 44:29Speaker 04

  Instead of crackers, I meant chips.

• 44:30Drew Afualo?

  Okay. I would say noodles, bread, chips, rice. Well, rice then chips, I would say.

• 44:37Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 44:37Drew Afualo?

  Chips at the bottom.

• 44:38Speaker 04

  I respect it, I respect it.

• 44:39Drew Afualo?

  What's yours?

• 44:39Speaker 04

  Mine goes rice, chip, noodle, bread.

• 44:44Drew Afualo?

  Interesting.

• 44:45Speaker 04

  I just like love rice with everything.

• 44:48Drew Afualo?

  I do love.

• 44:48Speaker 04

  And I love chips. People shit on chips and I go, sometimes probably the only thing that can get me out of a depression is a good chip.

• 44:53Drew Afualo?

  Is that a safe food for you?

• 44:55Speaker 04

  A chip? Oh my gosh.

• 44:56Drew Afualo?

  I have a hyper fixation chip all the time. Ever since I gave up Red Dy 40, which has been really hard for me, not for Lent, just in general, because I'm old.

• 45:04Speaker 04

  Is Red Dy 40 something that's in everything?

• 45:06Drew Afualo?

  It's on all hot chips. So like hot cheetos, Takis.

• 45:09Speaker 04

  See, I don't think I could give something like that up.

• 45:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, see, I had to give up Red Dy 40 because quite literally it was killing me. I, I have ulcers from my job at the NFL. That's another story for another day.

• 45:17Speaker 04

  So sorry.

• 45:18Drew Afualo?

  And so Red Dy 40 activates my ulcers to a point where I can't even sleep. Like I'm, I'm gurgling shit up and blowing lava out my ass. I can't stop it either way.

• 45:26Speaker 04

  The, the shitting, like the pain sometimes, like there was one phase before I had any money at all, like was so, so, so broke where I would, a big meal that I would do that I loved was chips with sriracha on them.

• 45:37Drew Afualo?

  I love sriracha.

• 45:38Speaker 04

  Well, sriracha.

• 45:39Drew Afualo?

  I put sriracha on almost everything.

• 45:40Speaker 04

  I could tear up if I think about sriracha too long. So me and sriracha, I would do that. And my sister had to like have a, we were living together at a time and they were like, hey, like.

• 45:48Drew Afualo?

  You're gross.

• 45:49Speaker 04

  Well, like I hear you crying in the bathroom. You're like crying and it's like you have to stop just putting sriracha like raw and stuff. But what can you do, you know? No, I'm a chip person for real. They're actually like, so growing up, like my mom jokingly one time was just like, what do you want? Um, I was like in elementary school and she was like, what do you want for Christmas this year? It was like fall and I was like, I went as a, that big bag of Cool Ranch Doritos, because that was like my favorite chip, like locked in as a kid, right?

• 46:12Drew Afualo?

  That was one of my favorite chips as a kid too.

• 46:14Speaker 04

  It was just one of the best things that we got as kids. And uh, it was like a passing comment. Then comes Christmas time, we're at my grandma's house and you know, it's time to open the presents. I'm so excited and uh, my, all the cousins, my sister, everyone's opening gifts, like CDs, shirts, whatever. I get the first bag. Cool Ranch Doritos. I go, I didn't remember. I said, oh, yeah, cool, cool, cool. Then I, I see the doll. You did it too. I start opening bag after bag, all my gifts, Cool Ranch Doritos. Flash to us doing family photo, everyone's like seeing their gifts. I'm under like 11 bags of Cool Ranch Doritos. And my eyes are welling up with tears. It's like when the eating disorder hit. Who knows, but all I know is like I stopped eating them for a while. Cause I was just like, this went from my favorite thing to like something that now the whole family has like kind of decided to like attack me verbally.

• 46:59Drew Afualo?

  And now it feels like no one knows me at all because the one thing you know about me is the chips thing.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  It feels like, yeah, it feels like I, you took the one thing that was precious to me and like made it sort of like, and made it sort of like a darkness that I'll remember to the day I die. So yeah, I don't eat Cool Ranch the same, but I-

• 47:13Drew Afualo?

  I think it's really fucked up that so many of them did it, like maybe one or two, like maybe.

• 47:19Speaker 04

  No, my skinny aunt, she did like a snack pack. I'm like, go family size.

• 47:24Speaker 04

  Do the family size.

• 47:25Drew Afualo?

  And you're gonna cheap out on me too?

• 47:26Speaker 04

  If you're gonna do the bit, like give me a bunch of chips. You know, if you're gonna do the bit, don't be fucking nasty.

• 47:31Drew Afualo?

  Or I would have switched it up and got you like a Cool Ranch Doritos like sweat suit or something.

• 47:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, I mean, it's a story they still love, you know? We're not close, we're not close.

• 47:41Speaker 04

  Close with the nuclear, you know, we've moved past it as a group.

• 47:44Drew Afualo?

  What's your favorite chip now?

• 47:46Speaker 04

  My favorite chip now is, well, you know, I only really shop at Trader Joe's. And it's not even because I don't like other stores, but I just like, I understand what to do there. So I like their like spicy talky version thing that they do that's called something different. And then I also like the one that's like the spicy a lotte type of one, you know?

• 47:59Drew Afualo?

  Ooh, that one's good.

• 48:00Speaker 04

  And then I just honestly love like a corn chip, because I love dips. I love dips.

• 48:04Drew Afualo?

  Do you like the blue corn chips?

• 48:06Speaker 04

  I like the blue ones. With those, I'm like, I can't tell the difference. And I, this is me at the store when I'm looking at the blue and the white chips. Every single time, I go, am I just picking based on color? You know, like I actually don't know, but I said the flavor.

• 48:18Drew Afualo?

  You do need to check in with your shop, so that's important.

• 48:20Speaker 04

  I go, I go, I go, and why do you keep picking blue?

• 48:24Drew Afualo?

  Why do you never pick blue? Let's unpack that.

• 48:27Speaker 04

  Where do you grocery shop?

• 48:29Drew Afualo?

  Um, I kind of sample around. I do like Trader Joe's, I do like Stater Brothers.

• 48:35Speaker 04

  Oh, I don't know those.

• 48:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's kind of like, what's another one? Bonds?

• 48:40Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 48:40Drew Afualo?

  I guess I have Bonds out here.

• 48:41Speaker 04

  Look, everyone hates it, moving on. We're not, we're done with grocery shops. Onto the next, look, they go, they go, I don't care about this.

• 48:48Drew Afualo?

  I think, uh, I do, at Trader Joe's, they used to have this, it was like a vegan pork rinds, but they were spicy. Did you ever try them?

• 48:56Speaker 04

  No.

• 48:56Drew Afualo?

  They were unbelievable. I would house two bags by myself in ten minutes. Like, they were, they didn't put enough in there, in my opinion. Um, and then they took away that chip.

• 49:04Speaker 04

  No, they take away some of my favorite stuff sometimes. And that's just one of those things that you have to go like, I can't be the person who cares too big on this. They took away the only salad dressing that I bought like regularly. Like, it was a big staple to me. And I was just like, hey, you guys don't have that anymore. They're like, discontinued. I go,

• 49:18Speaker 04

  cool. I'm gonna, okay, I'm gonna go. You know, and you just-

• 49:20Drew Afualo?

  Is anyone upset about it, or?

• 49:22Speaker 04

  And there's, okay, let me, you, so you have this beautiful fiance, big fan of both of yours, and you, do you have anything you tell no one?

• 49:31Drew Afualo?

  About him?

• 49:31Speaker 04

  No, just about, like, that happens to you in your life.

• 49:34Drew Afualo?

  Um.

• 49:35Speaker 04

  Or does it feel like most people hear about something?

• 49:37Drew Afualo?

  I feel like, for the most part, people hear about stuff. Because, at the end of the day, I am a silly goose. So, most awful things that happen to me do end up being funny, and I need attention at all costs, so bits are my thing.

• 49:49Speaker 04

  One thousand percent.

• 49:50Drew Afualo?

  I think it's, it's not, it's not like because I'm so embarrassed, it's, it's truly, or like, I'm just so confident in myself. It's purely because I want to be hilarious.

• 49:58Speaker 04

  And you are.

• 49:59Drew Afualo?

  And I need to utilize it.

• 50:00Speaker 04

  I'm a silly goose too, but I think that like, when you're in the moments that I'm not dating someone, I'll notice occasionally more. That'll be like, that one stayed alone. You know, I'll be like, that one went to no one. But also, it's because I'm not chiming in on the internet.

• 50:11Drew Afualo?

  You're right. You're right, though.

• 50:13Speaker 04

  The pillow talk is where a lot of it comes out.

• 50:14Drew Afualo?

  Right. Especially when you're, when you have the second to yourself, you're kind of like, yeah, that one's for me.

• 50:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:20Drew Afualo?

  That one's just for me.

• 50:21Speaker 04

  That one's just for me.

• 50:22Drew Afualo?

  That's just for me.

• 50:22Speaker 04

  There's not that many, believe me, I don't shut the fuck up. My, yeah, my, my family knows, they get the most of it.

• 50:28Drew Afualo?

  I told this, I've told this story already on this show multiple times, but like, I went to the, with my sister, I took her to the Elton John after-party, after the Oscars, right?

• 50:37Speaker 04

  Very fun.

• 50:38Drew Afualo?

  Uh, it was really fun. Uh, we hung out with Lucy Degas for a long time, which was really fun, and she's awesome. But there was a moment where, um, MGK was leaving this party.

• 50:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:49Drew Afualo?

  Says goodbye to Lucy Degas. And she goes, hey. Remember to smile more. And then he left. And I, I'm not kidding, that's verbatim what she said. And then I go, what the fuck are you doing telling MGK to smile more? Like, what's, what's the story behind that?

• 51:04Speaker 04

  That is actually so, I mean, it's okay if we tell a couple guys too, right?

• 51:10Drew Afualo?

  I, I'd never seen anything funnier.

• 51:12Speaker 04

  No, it's amazing.

• 51:14Drew Afualo?

  And he just walked away.

• 51:16Speaker 04

  Sometimes a guy needs to hear smile more.

• 51:18Drew Afualo?

  I know.

• 51:18Speaker 04

  Is the truth.

• 51:19Drew Afualo?

  And she was very like, I just, I don't know. I just thought maybe he could use it.

• 51:22Speaker 04

  Maybe, yeah. Sometimes guys don't think that we like to see him smile. We don't hate it.

• 51:26Drew Afualo?

  I don't hate.

• 51:27Speaker 04

  We don't, well, it depends. When I, I had to move in the middle of high school and my, uh, I tried, first they put me in a Catholic school and I was like, I'll kill myself in front of you if you don't get me out. So then we switched, um, it worked and.

• 51:40Drew Afualo?

  Thankfully, it worked.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  Thankfully, it worked. So, no mess there. Um, and, uh, yeah, our, our mascot was the Crusaders. I was like, this isn't my vibe. So then we went to, I went to a public school, you know, and of course we were learning worse. Like we were like measuring rocks and stuff, but, but what happened is I was like, let's make friends for real this time, like lock in. Cause it was like, I was junior year. It was like hard. And my mom was like, when you're really depressed, like you have to go to the bathroom. And she's like, she basically told me if you just smile.

• 52:09Speaker 04

  If you smile, like it does something. And so literally me, like just know at 16, I'm like in a bathroom stall. Like I was in a phase where I thought I liked vintage dresses. So I'm like, and vintage dresses, not me at all. And vintage dresses just literally not peeing, sitting on a toilet stall, just like.

• 52:24Speaker 04

  For like 10 minutes.

• 52:24Drew Afualo?

  It's like that scary movie Smile.

• 52:26Speaker 04

  You literally for like 10 minutes at a time. And you know what? I, I don't know if it worked.

• 52:34Speaker 04

  There's no way to know.

• 52:35Drew Afualo?

  You're all well shortly after that, the Cool Dorito thing happened. So, you know, it was really fighting an uphill battle.

• 52:41Speaker 04

  The Cool Ranch Dorito thing, thank God, happened when I was really, really young. I think as an adult, I would, as an adult, I would have, they would have heard something from me. We would have had more to say. You know? No, but I don't know. Did you move a lot growing up or were you born and raised?

• 52:54Drew Afualo?

  Um, I didn't really move a lot. I think we moved once, but I was pretty much born and raised in Southern California. Like for the most part, I never really went anywhere.

• 53:01Speaker 04

  Are you Californian until you die?

• 53:02Drew Afualo?

  Pretty much. Yeah. I've, I've been to the East Coast enough times now that I'm like, I've grown a fondness for it. But um, yeah, I just need, I need to be on the west coast, I think.

• 53:13Speaker 04

  West coast, sun.

• 53:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 53:14Speaker 04

  I love it.

• 53:15Drew Afualo?

  The sun, like closer to the, more space, less buildings, that kind of thing.

• 53:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:19Drew Afualo?

  So I need, I need more nature. I need to be able to see more nature.

• 53:22Speaker 04

  The way that when I touch a fucking tree, people look at me like I'm a lunatic. I'm like, when's the last time you touch one? I'll go to the park, I'll touch one for a while. I'll hold on, tears will fall. This is me lately.

• 53:31Drew Afualo?

  And real grass, too.

• 53:33Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 53:33Drew Afualo?

  When you lay in real grass.

• 53:35Speaker 04

  I'm just like, the tree, like they're all, you can tell the trees are struggling to breathe around here, you know, it's like, they're like, it's like, I'll give them a touch. I'm just like, hey, I, I love you so much, you know?

• 53:43Drew Afualo?

  This to you.

• 53:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know it was us. And people look at me so insane and I'm like, we really have like, it's crazy that this is normal, though.

• 53:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 53:52Speaker 04

  This is normal.

• 53:53Drew Afualo?

  Something, and I, I think when, when they say like, go touch grass, like online, I think really, I really do think that's good advice. Some, some people should go touch grass.

• 54:00Speaker 04

  I think that's the best advice ever.

• 54:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I saw.

• 54:02Speaker 04

  I go repost. I go, I agree. Please don't go touch them.

• 54:07Drew Afualo?

  More people should be going outside and touching grass, I agree. Oh, but the Elton John party.

• 54:11Speaker 04

  Go please.

• 54:11Drew Afualo?

  Basically what happened, what I was saying is, I have no, no real like qualm with telling embarrassing things that have happened to me, because I got so fucked up at that party. And then went home and then ate lobster pizza cold. And so naturally, that's not a good uh concoction for the next morning. Next morning, I wake up hungover. I'm like, I need water or I'm gonna die. So I go and I drink water out of the fridge and I'm like chugging it. And it's like a big thirty-two ounce like glass bottle from the fucking hotel. I'm sure it was forty dollars, but I just didn't have anything else.

• 54:39Speaker 04

  You have to commit.

• 54:39Drew Afualo?

  And I needed it. So I'm chugging the whole thing. As soon as I take it away from my lips, almost shit my pants. Almost shit my pants, like literally almost shit my pants, like poop coming out of my butt.

• 54:48Speaker 04

  Cause you did it to yourself.

• 54:49Drew Afualo?

  I literally had to run to the bathroom like a little kid, like cupping my ass, you know what I'm saying?

• 54:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:53Drew Afualo?

  These little kids are like, ah, I gotta go, gotta go. That's how I felt running to my, my bathroom.

• 54:56Speaker 04

  Did you make it?

• 54:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, barely, though. By the skin of my teeth, I made it. And then I immediately got in the shower after, obviously. So then, after that incident, I tell everyone that will listen to me within a five mile radius, that story. First, I go tell my sister, I literally woke her up and she was hungover too. And I said, dude, I almost shit myself this morning, can you believe it? And then when I was telling the story again in the car, my cousin Adam was like, if you did actually shit your pants, would you have told us? And I go, yeah, of course I would.

• 55:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:22Drew Afualo?

  I would have told it on my show the next week, because that's hilarious.

• 55:24Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 55:25Drew Afualo?

  And I've never pooped my pants before. I feel like that's a milestone.

• 55:28Speaker 04

  That is like a big brag.

• 55:30Drew Afualo?

  That's what I'm saying. I've I've pooped my pants.

• 55:32Speaker 04

  You got really close.

• 55:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I got my, it's like a boy scout, like I got my patch for pooping my pants.

• 55:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, but you did.

• 55:38Drew Afualo?

  Almost, though.

• 55:38Speaker 04

  Almost.

• 55:39Drew Afualo?

  I did not, I haven't earned the patch yet, but we'll see.

• 55:41Speaker 04

  God, it's only happened to me twice, but both times were at home and I was just like, you fart different at home. You know what I mean? Like, I hate to say it, but it's been a really, really, really long time. Look, look, they're like, don't say stuff like that. I bet the fact is, what you guys can't see is everyone behind me was just like, I shit my pants a bunch too. Like, everyone was like, launching into their stories.

• 55:59Drew Afualo?

  They're not brave enough to say it on camera.

• 56:00Speaker 04

  No.

• 56:00Drew Afualo?

  You know what?

• 56:01Speaker 04

  Guys are doing it in a way that you can't imagine.

• 56:03Drew Afualo?

  Guys, when guys do it, I'm like, you're disgusting.

• 56:05Speaker 04

  Guys are doing it in like a wee, like it's a part of the routine. Like, they're like, Monday shit my pants, Tuesday I take vitamins, you know? Like, I really feel like it's like a part of like, they're, they're doing out. If you catch me doing out and about, I'll go to a doctor.

• 56:16Drew Afualo?

  Since I've gotten older, I've developed a pretty intense lactose intolerance, like, which I did not have as a child, but my dad uh, is violently lactose intolerant, like, so aggressively, and he just throws caution to the wind sometimes. I thought that Gene skipped me. Apparently, it did hit me. It did in my twenties, which fucking sucks. And I remember, um, recently, it was like, I was in New York doing work stuff, and we went to our, one of our favorite restaurants in New York. Quality Italian.

• 56:45Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 56:45Drew Afualo?

  You ever been there?

• 56:46Speaker 04

  I haven't been there, but I will go.

• 56:47Drew Afualo?

  It's delicious. And we go, and then they gave us like this app, this appetizer that we'd never tried, and I thought he said it was burrata, and I've had burrata before and it didn't hurt me. Turns out, it wasn't burrata, it was ricotta, which I did not know.

• 57:01Speaker 04

  Which is like, if the music's up, it's like, he could be saying da, da, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta. You know? It's like, who, who fucking knows?

• 57:06Drew Afualo?

  And I see cheese and a cracker, and I'm gonna fucking eat it. Right, like, so I'm like, I can't hear you at all, and he had an Italian accent, so I was like, I don't, I don't know what you said, but it looks good, I'm gonna try it. I had two, two spoonfuls. My lactose intolerance is so strong now, I know within the hour whether or not I'm gonna be paying a heavy price. So, barely, I, I sped walked back to our hotel, right? I told my sister, when I, cause I had to wake up the next morning and get into glam at 5 a.m. because I had a full day of work stuff. I was late to glam because I was up all fucking night. I was like, I was telling my sister about it.

• 57:40Drew Afualo?

  I said, girl, I had to shower three times. Three fucking times. I had to hose off three fucking times. And then I went, I got glammed, I went to work, I went and did this really hard-hitting interview that I'm not gonna say what it was, cause I fucking hate it. But like I hate that fucking because they sandbagged me in the interview and I hate it.

• 57:56Speaker 04

  I don't, I want everyone to know I only say yes to Drew and like two other people. I'm so scared of it. It's really scary. There's been quotes that came out. There's a quote that came out about me like, I don't even want to say it, but it's like, things people will say that I'm like, there's, that just possibly didn't come out of my mouth. Like, and it's like, I understand I talk fast, but like, call me and we'll talk it through again.

• 58:14Drew Afualo?

  Let me, let me clarify for you what I meant. So they, they sandbagged me, me in that interview that I, in a way that I did not expect. Afterwards, I was literally telling my team, I was like, I had hot butt. And I was being fucking grilled about that shit. I'm sitting there with baboon ass bitch and you're asking me questions that I cannot process right now. I'm having a really fucking bad day.

• 58:36Speaker 04

  You're hearing this, I'm hearing this. Yeah, we're hearing.

• 58:38Drew Afualo?

  I can't hear your question over the gurgling in my stomach bitch. I literally can't, I can't hear anything.

• 58:42Speaker 04

  When you're walking fast down the street, one of those walks and people are like, hey, do you have a second for the kids? It goes, I don't. And I want to so bad.

• 58:49Drew Afualo?

  I want to, I just don't, I literally don't. And I was, I remember nothing about that day, other than that terrible interview and the fact that I was sitting there like Rafiki. I literally had the hottest asshole in the world. And I was like, and here I am being grilled. Here I am, you're asking me fucking questions about shit I don't care about and I didn't want to talk about.

• 59:06Speaker 04

  I didn't talk about. Did you bring it up in the interview?

• 59:08Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my hot butt? No, wasn't the vibe.

• 59:11Speaker 04

  See you, and you're better at knowing the vibe.

• 59:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 59:14Speaker 04

  I won't know the vibe and I'll be in one of those, I'll be like, hot butt. And they'll be like, hey, so the whole restaurant went quiet. You know, like they'll be like.

• 59:21Drew Afualo?

  Now that you mentioned it though, I wish I did bring it up. It would have made it awkward and it probably would have ended faster.

• 59:24Speaker 04

  In a way that could have been fun.

• 59:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, in a way that would have been fun for me at the very least.

• 59:28Speaker 04

  Period sometimes even at like, do you have a guy friends?

• 59:31Drew Afualo?

  Yes, I do, but most of them are gay.

• 59:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:34Drew Afualo?

  Most of them are gay, but I do have some straight ones.

• 59:36Speaker 04

  I have one, I have two straight guy, white friends. Okay. And I still find a thing flare up sometimes when I get, when I get my period at their house or something. Even I'll be like, well, how does this still exist? Like, they don't care. It's like, how is this still here? We're all like, struggle to be like, I think I like, maybe got period on your couch. Instead, I'll be like, I'll be back. You know, and it's like, this like, this like teeny girl version of me comes out where it's just like, I'm just gonna be in the bathroom. And it's like, these are your close friends. And it's like, that's how I feel with this interview. It's like, you know what I mean? I'm just like, bring up the hot butt. Like, this is, Lord knows, Lord knows the guys are. Lord knows, Lord knows whoever gets the next Superman part is gonna be on a red carpet like, I actually shit that day, you know?

• 1:00:13Drew Afualo?

  Well, you guys want to be relatable, maybe you should start talking about your hot butts more.

• 1:00:16Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:00:17Drew Afualo?

  Let's bring it up. Let's normalize having a hot butt and having a bad day on top of that.

• 1:00:20Speaker 04

  Let's not normalize it. I will say sometimes my friends, because it's like some people, if you fart in front of someone you're dating, how long does it take you? Or do you never?

• 1:00:29Drew Afualo?

  I'm trying to think if I have. I don't know. Yeah, I'm engaged. Now, we've been together for going on eight years. I don't think we've ever farted in front of each other that many times. Maybe like a handful.

• 1:00:38Speaker 04

  Wait, that's like romantic.

• 1:00:39Drew Afualo?

  Right. I think it's something we both are kind of dancing around and just don't talk about.

• 1:00:44Speaker 04

  I'm actually freaking out right now. That feels like a big moment because it's like, okay, yes, I think that, I think that there's no rule to it. I know that if I'm dating someone, it'll come up probably soon. Not like, not right away. Not like night one, let's have a party, you know? But like, it'll come up eventually. But I've had friends where like, I'll hang out with them and they're dating and they're farting together in a way where I'm like, you're not in love anymore.

• 1:01:05Speaker 04

  Where I go, you're farting so much now that it's changed.

• 1:01:08Drew Afualo?

  And, and it feels vindictive.

• 1:01:11Speaker 04

  It feels like we've launched into brotherhood. It feels like now I'm seeing brotherhood, which can be so beautiful.

• 1:01:17Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:01:17Speaker 04

  You know, and so that's really, that's.

• 1:01:19Drew Afualo?

  No, that's actually so true because one time we were, I was talking about it with my fiance once because I was like, we really don't fart in front of each other, like, really at all.

• 1:01:26Speaker 04

  You were like trying to launch it and you're like, you're like, you're like, it's so fucking weird that like.

• 1:01:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and I was like, and I honestly was, I was asking, bringing it up in earnest because I was really like, is something wrong with us? Like, are we afraid of that? Like, I was thinking like, are we afraid of that?

• 1:01:38Speaker 04

  Or is it that kind of cute?

• 1:01:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and then he goes, no, I think it's just, well, we're not really like, farty people. Like, we don't have a ton.

• 1:01:44Speaker 04

  Funny.

• 1:01:44Drew Afualo?

  We don't have a ton of farts in us on top of that, right? So like, I think that's one, but also, he was like, I don't know, I just feel like sometimes it gets to a point where it's just like, it's gross and you guys don't respect each other.

• 1:01:57Drew Afualo?

  That's actually, that's a really astute observation. I agree with that.

• 1:02:00Speaker 04

  That's really, really beautiful.

• 1:02:03Speaker 04

  Well, I was just like, something's changed in its amount of farts. You know, like, and it's changed.

• 1:02:08Drew Afualo?

  It's the intensity with which you're farting.

• 1:02:09Speaker 04

  But I want to be very clear that I think that you can be in love and also have a friend.

• 1:02:12Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 1:02:13Speaker 04

  I, I know some people who it's like, you know, they'll wait for their husband to leave to go to the bathroom or something. And I go, that's a different level of love. You know, it's, it's whatever you're in between.

• 1:02:21Drew Afualo?

  Pooping and stuff too, like, I'm like, that's normal.

• 1:02:23Speaker 04

  Be your personality. That's what I'd say. Be your personality.

• 1:02:25Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 1:02:25Speaker 04

  Like, in my family, we're really divided. Like, my mom, like, farts, throw up, that kind of stuff makes her laugh so hard. Trauma. I don't know. Right? Where, like, my sister, it's not funny to them, you know? And so it's like a divide in our family. Like, I'm like, do I want to make this one laugh? Or sort of like, respect? You know what I mean?

• 1:02:41Drew Afualo?

  My sister has an intense amitophobia, so she is very afraid of throw up in many ways. Um, if you throw up around her or near her, she will be afraid of you for at least 48 hours. Like, that's just kind of her thing.

• 1:02:53Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:02:53Drew Afualo?

  So everybody in our family knows that.

• 1:02:55Speaker 04

  That's good to know.

• 1:02:55Drew Afualo?

  It was funny, my, when my mom got sick recently around my sister, my mom was like, my mom told me after, the whole time I was thinking, Jason's gonna be so upset with me, but I can't hold it.

• 1:03:05Speaker 04

  That is so funny. Literally, my family was, my mom would laugh. So I would be throwing up, growing up, and she would be rubbing my back, comforting me, and I could feel her shake laughing. Like, and I was just like, there's some trauma with this that obviously, like, it's so funny to you, but like, honestly, like, it...

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• 1:04:28Speaker 04

  You know, if that's my biggest battle, it was, it was pretty funny.

• 1:04:32Drew Afualo?

  Even like farting, like, I think farting is funny when it's accidental.

• 1:04:37Speaker 04

  Cause you think it's a bit funny when people are embarrassed?

• 1:04:39Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:04:41Drew Afualo?

  Quite simply put, yes.

• 1:04:42Speaker 04

  No, genuinely, when people are kind of embarrassed, it's like, that's a little...

• 1:04:45Drew Afualo?

  When they didn't expect it to come out, but it does, or they thought it was gonna be quieter than it was, that's always funny. When people are like, "Check this out," you're pushing it.

• 1:04:54Speaker 04

  "Check this out" is crazy.

• 1:04:55Drew Afualo?

  You're, you're pushing it.

• 1:04:56Speaker 04

  "Check this out" is nuts.

• 1:04:57Drew Afualo?

  What are you, like a white dude in an 80's movie?

• 1:04:59Speaker 04

  And "Check this out," I think that we actually think, I think that we actually have the exact same level of thinking it's funny. Cause I also think the part that people have to like check in, society-wise, is funny. Like, that was inappropriate. Like, on accident, where the burps, to me, I don't like.

• 1:05:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Speaker 04

  And when someone's burps, I don't think it's funny and it bugs me. And I don't, it bugs me.

• 1:05:19Drew Afualo?

  It's gross.

• 1:05:20Speaker 04

  A big bug.

• 1:05:20Drew Afualo?

  Like, the smell, too. It's just as bad as a fart.

• 1:05:23Speaker 04

  It feels disrespectful to me. The other one, "You're not embarrassed, I wish you were."

• 1:05:27Drew Afualo?

  You should be.

• 1:05:28Speaker 04

  You should be embarrassed, and you're not.

• 1:05:30Drew Afualo?

  When they're like, "Oh, look at this," and they fart, I always imagine like they're putting that lighter up to their ass to try and fart through it.

• 1:05:35Speaker 04

  And if you're going, if you're gonna be so, if you're gonna be so crazy to say, "Look at this and fart," let's make, make it dangerous. You know, make it at least a...

• 1:05:42Drew Afualo?

  Make a show of it.

• 1:05:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Drew Afualo?

  Make it worth it.

• 1:05:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, we're the tickets. I'm not coming, but I'll tell some people. Maybe they'll buy one, you know?

• 1:05:49Drew Afualo?

  I'm with you on the burps, though. Those are never funny.

• 1:05:51Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:05:51Drew Afualo?

  Like, when people burp the alphabet kinda deal, I'm like, "What is this?"

• 1:05:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like, you should've learned the eyebrow thing instead, growing up.

• 1:05:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that feels very, or the eyelid thing, where you flip them inside out.

• 1:06:00Speaker 04

  I can't do it.

• 1:06:01Drew Afualo?

  But those people are scary, so...

• 1:06:02Speaker 04

  Those ones are really tough.

• 1:06:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:04Speaker 04

  My mom would do that, too. Do you have any, can you make things on your face move? I always am jealous of this.

• 1:06:08Drew Afualo?

  I really can't.

• 1:06:09Speaker 04

  I can't.

• 1:06:10Drew Afualo?

  No, I know.

• 1:06:10Speaker 04

  I spend hours trying, that's the most...

• 1:06:11Drew Afualo?

  You would think I would know, because The Rock can do it, and that's my brother.

• 1:06:14Speaker 04

  That's your number one.

• 1:06:15Drew Afualo?

  That's my cousin.

• 1:06:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Drew Afualo?

  That's my cousin, my kin.

• 1:06:18Speaker 04

  That's my guy.

• 1:06:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't mind The Rock. What's the worst thing he's done, that we know about? Do we know any, do we have anything bad on The Rock?

• 1:06:25Drew Afualo?

  I don't know.

• 1:06:26Speaker 04

  No?

• 1:06:27Drew Afualo?

  I'm sure someone...

• 1:06:28Speaker 04

  Yo, won't be coming to me.

• 1:06:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, listen, as far as I know...

• 1:06:30Speaker 04

  Tomorrow, tomorrow we log online, The Rock is chugging soda, doing the biggest burp he ever did. Devastating.

• 1:06:36Drew Afualo?

  Well, that's why I'm like, well, that's his generation. That's what I would liken it to.

• 1:06:39Speaker 04

  That's on generation.

• 1:06:40Drew Afualo?

  What are some random things that annoy you, other than burping?

• 1:06:44Speaker 04

  Burping bugs me, not caring, uh, uh, being annoyed when people care big bugs me. I know that sounds obvious, but it's like, yeah, when people are really passionate or intense, like, and someone's kind of like, that's like, super bugs me. I love when people are intense, um.

• 1:06:56Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 1:06:57Speaker 04

  Bugs me.

• 1:07:00Drew Afualo?

  Your burping thing reminded me that I really hate when people sneeze more than twice. Two is all you get from me. After that, you're pushing it enough.

• 1:07:08Speaker 04

  After two, after two, you're sick.

• 1:07:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you're done.

• 1:07:10Speaker 04

  You actually have a cold.

• 1:07:11Drew Afualo?

  You're done. You need attention and I'm not gonna give it to you, so knock it off. Like, that's how I feel. Like, after two, I'm like, alright.

• 1:07:17Speaker 04

  I think, that's, hey.

• 1:07:19Drew Afualo?

  You've met your quota.

• 1:07:20Speaker 04

  I think it's funny when people have a really, really cute sneeze, but then they like, don't, but then they're like, someone's like, that's cute, and they act like it's the first time. Every time people think your sneezes are cute, you know what I mean? But honestly, what bugs me, it's so funny that I'm not coming up with more, because the fact is, shit bugs me all day. Shit bugs me all the time, but I've been working on it because I'm just like, it's not helpful, but I'm just like, yeah, things bug me. I'll, I'll get irritated with, you know, something being loud. I'm like, turn that fucking down, literally.

• 1:07:49Drew Afualo?

  They told me I had autism when I said that too, so.

• 1:07:51Speaker 04

  Well, yeah. Lock in, you know, lock in. We don't like loud stuff, yeah. Loud stuff pisses me the fuck off.

• 1:07:59Drew Afualo?

  Me too. Unnecessarily loud at that, especially indoors, like, when it's enclosed.

• 1:08:04Speaker 04

  People thinking they have like, no... It's, it's literally, I sound way more, I'm, I'm too much justice-y right now, but people who think they have no power, like, people are like, it sucks you did that, and I'll be like, what'd you do? Do you know what I mean? Like, like, I feel like that a lot bugs me. I'll be around guys who like, talk about another guy doing something bad, you know?

• 1:08:19Drew Afualo?

  Oh, god, I know.

• 1:08:20Speaker 04

  You're like, so what'd you do there? You were there?

• 1:08:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I've talked about that many times, especially when men argue with me about like, well, good luck when you need a protector. You guys don't protect shit.

• 1:08:28Speaker 04

  Good luck when you need a protector.

• 1:08:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was like, what a fallacy. The biggest lie they tell themselves outside of men, women being stupid, is that they're protectors in any way, shape, or form. I was like, anytime anything bad has ever happened in public that had nothing to do with me and I intervened with, guess how many men were around?

• 1:08:42Speaker 04

  And guess how many I'm not calling to come, like, you know what I mean? That's what blows my mind, that when you live in a house, you have a security system. You have a security system. I would love the loud noise to go off of, so some, Lord knows. If it was just a loud noise, right? Lord knows that loud noise went off, because it's called, then it's supposed to call cops forever. It's like, you think I want more guys coming to the house? Sounds like a nightmare. Yeah, like, one guy's broken in my house, five more guys show up, like, no thanks.

• 1:09:05Drew Afualo?

  Worst-case scenario.

• 1:09:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, worst-case scenario, but I would like the noise, because you know some girls would come running, you know? And, and some gay guys would be like, oh, this'll take a sec. Some gay guys would like turn around.

• 1:09:15Drew Afualo?

  It's on my way, so I might as well.

• 1:09:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's on my way, I'll stop through, I hope she's not getting raped, yeah. But, but what I will say is that, like, the straight guys would be like, even if the noise, I feel like they would be like, someone's got this.

• 1:09:25Drew Afualo?

  I agree. I have some fun facts about you, though.

• 1:09:28Speaker 04

  What the fuck?

• 1:09:29Drew Afualo?

  Can I read you some?

• 1:09:30Speaker 04

  Yes, I feel like I try to make myself hard to find stuff out about, so I'm curious what it's gonna be.

• 1:09:33Drew Afualo?

  What's funny is one of these says, in 5th grade, their family pranked them by only getting them Cool Ranch Doritos for Christmas.

• 1:09:39Speaker 04

  Because I, see, because that's one of the only fucking, can you imagine? I've told that story twice. I'm embarrassed about that.

• 1:09:45Drew Afualo?

  Uh, it says, you've had jobs working at a butcher shop, an escape room, and Cold Stone Creamery.

• 1:09:50Speaker 04

  Okay, those are so... One lie there, two truths and a lie. Um, which one do you think's the, well, you saw my reaction, so you probably know.

• 1:09:57Drew Afualo?

  If I'm being honest, the escape room makes the most sense for you.

• 1:10:00Speaker 04

  Don't be mean like that.

• 1:10:03Speaker 04

  Guess what my official name was? Agent Shark.

• 1:10:07Speaker 04

  Had to pick it on the way to work, I'd already smoked weed, I go, sharks are cute.

• 1:10:10Drew Afualo?

  Agent Shark.

• 1:10:10Speaker 04

  My boss was Agent Pepperoni, he made six figures, figure it out, I can't. But yeah, I worked at an escape room, what was the?

• 1:10:17Drew Afualo?

  In a butcher shop?

• 1:10:18Speaker 04

  Butcher shop I did, and I was vegetarian the whole time, but I wouldn't, so they'd be like, sample this, and they'd like eat, I'd be like, mm, I go to the bathroom, like, holy shit, you know? But that was cool, because I like learned that people are respecting the animals more. But people at these restaurants drink, like, I worked at a butcher shop that was kind of like fancy, like, I can't watch the bear, because it's so triggering. Because I'm like, this is actually scary, you know?

• 1:10:36Drew Afualo?

  Bringing me back.

• 1:10:37Speaker 04

  Cold Stone Creamery, I didn't work at, but my friend did, and when we were 14, we would like, he would close up shop, why was he working at 14, explain it to me, right? We all were, but, so we go, we'd get like, we, uh, big ice creams, and we'd go back to his farm in Nebraska, and we would, just like smoke weed and eat all the ice cream, it was really fun. Like, mostly, growing up in Nebraska and smoking weed was just like...

• 1:10:59Drew Afualo?

  So you didn't work at Cold Stone, you were just embezzling from it?

• 1:11:00Speaker 04

  Exactly, I didn't work at Cold Stone, we just took ice cream. Like, a bunch of it. But I was really a long time ago and I was a child.

• 1:11:08Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:11:09Speaker 04

  So I would never behave like that now.

• 1:11:11Drew Afualo?

  Never.

• 1:11:11Speaker 04

  I would fucking pay for my ice cream. What was your first job?

• 1:11:15Drew Afualo?

  My very first job ever? I wanna say it was, I counted like working with my mom, like my mom used to do outreach for like freeway infra- it was major infrastructure projects, which is essentially like construction. So my mom used to work these like fairs and stuff and sometimes she would take me to work with her. So it was basically, they called them booth bitches, like that's, I was a booth bitch, that was my first job. And you're just, you're the bitch at the booth and stand there all fucking day. And so they would have like, it's basically a transportation entity. So I'm working with people who work with like the buses, the train, like, so.

• 1:11:51Speaker 04

  They're like, why is this booth bitch nine?

• 1:11:52Drew Afualo?

  No shit. For real, they're like, you guys short on labor or what? They literally had this, this wheel that you would spin and you would get like a little prize. That was the way to come to the booth. And then like the prizes were like, I remember one was like a CD-ROM like case.

• 1:12:07Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:12:08Drew Afualo?

  There was like a paper bank, there was like all this stuff, and then there was like bus passes, like free bus passes.

• 1:12:13Speaker 04

  That one's good.

• 1:12:14Drew Afualo?

  The amount of times they would spin that wheel and be like, I don't want that. Well, what do you want me to do about it? You fucking spun the wheel. Like, I feel like, and I'd be, and I'm nine by the way.

• 1:12:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you go, you go, you go. I'm a kid and I don't like have a CD player on. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what you want.

• 1:12:28Drew Afualo?

  Well, that's what it says. And then they would just stand there and be like, well, I don't want that. That was my first job, like probably ever.

• 1:12:34Speaker 04

  That is so, I mean, it's like honestly, everyone's coming for the bus pass. Everyone's like, hey, I want a bus pass. And they're like, what if you had another CD holder?

• 1:12:41Drew Afualo?

  Best I can do is a paper bank. Thoughts?

• 1:12:45Speaker 04

  Next.

• 1:12:46Drew Afualo?

  Best I can do, a hat.

• 1:12:47Speaker 04

  Next. You being like, roll through.

• 1:12:50Drew Afualo?

  Right, and when I graduated from college and moved back home, I couldn't find a job. So my mom, my sister and I worked for my mom again, but for real this time. And we were on payroll and everything. And I remember we were booth bitches again. And I remember we were at one once and we, we were handing out at this point like stress reliever things, like you know those squishy things?

• 1:13:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, I like those.

• 1:13:08Drew Afualo?

  Traffic cones, right? Something cute. And everybody loved those. And they would be like, I want one of the traffic cones. So again, the same wheel, all that shit. And I remember one time these little kids are like, can I have, uh, can I have an extra one? And they were young, so they were probably like 10, 11. I'm like, sure. I give one to the kid, turns around to his friend, he goes, uh, uh, uh, shoves it up his butt three times. And literally just like crushes it up there three times in front of me. And then I go.

• 1:13:35Speaker 04

  And you go, hey mom?

• 1:13:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and then they left. It was just me, my sister, my fiance was there too, like he was just hanging out with us. And I go, yeah, I can't do this forever dude. Like I look at this, this job is not for me.

• 1:13:44Speaker 04

  This isn't my career.

• 1:13:45Drew Afualo?

  And he came back probably like an hour later and he goes, can I have another cone? And I go, no. And then he goes.

• 1:13:51Speaker 04

  We all watched what you did.

• 1:13:51Drew Afualo?

  I'm gonna tell my, I'm gonna tell my mom you won't give me one. I go, okay, bring her to the table and I'll tell her what you did with the last one and why I'm not giving you another one.

• 1:13:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:58Drew Afualo?

  And then he just ran away.

• 1:13:58Speaker 04

  There's other shops for stuff like that.

• 1:14:00Drew Afualo?

  And then Daisy goes, hey, hey, we can't talk to them like that. And I was like, oh, my fucking bad. I'm watching this kid shove cones up his friend's ass.

• 1:14:06Speaker 04

  He can shove it up his ass as much as he fucking wants to.

• 1:14:09Drew Afualo?

  That's actually not your fucking call because you're not his mom.

• 1:14:11Speaker 04

  Once the cone goes into his hands, he gets to do what he wants with the cone.

• 1:14:16Drew Afualo?

  It's no longer yours at that point, so.

• 1:14:18Speaker 04

  No, we're doing crazy stuff when we're, I mean, you said they were kids, right? I mean, I remember, it's so crazy, like sometimes you think about hangouts you had with kids growing up and you're like, I don't know what that was, but I'm glad we made it through. Me and this one girl, I remember we sat like next to each other for like 20 minutes and kind of like hit each other with hangers. And I remember we were really young and I like look back on that and I'm like, now what the hell was that? And I go, were we gay? Were we scared? Was it, no one taught us it? Why were we doing that?

• 1:14:41Drew Afualo?

  That reminds me, there was a girl I was really good friends with when I was a kid. We played soccer together.

• 1:14:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:46Drew Afualo?

  I used to go to her house all the time. Because she had. What?

• 1:14:50Speaker 04

  I just know I'm gonna laugh. Sorry.

• 1:14:53Drew Afualo?

  So I remember one time we were in, she had a guest room that had like the family computer in it, so we would play computer games on it. And there was a TV and remember we were watching TV, we were bored and she had this little like, I don't know what it was. It was like a piece of clay that you could like mold and shit. And it, she had it in the form of a ball and it was probably like this big. And she had a ceiling fan in there that spun really fast and she was throwing it up and one time she threw it up. And it hit it and we got scared and all like dodged, like a bullet. And there was three of us in there and then we for an hour threw that shit up and then tried to run away and see if it hit us.

• 1:15:27Speaker 04

  You were doing pretend.

• 1:15:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and it was literally, it was beaming the fuck out of us. Like it was hitting so hard, it was making marks and we would laugh our asses off every time.

• 1:15:35Speaker 04

  No, isn't this crazy? Me and this, me and this gay guy, his name is Caleb too, if you can imagine. I, I collect them. He, we, when we were 14, in high school, we were obsessed with slapping each other in the face. And everyone would be at cafeteria and we'd be like, ha, just like hitting each other. And it's like, people are like, hey, like, are you good? And we'd be like, we're having fun. Like, ultimately, like, the rules haven't been laid out for us.

• 1:15:54Drew Afualo?

  Bring back fun.

• 1:15:55Speaker 04

  Sometimes it is just a little, you know, and there was consent on a lot of it, you know? But it can be.

• 1:16:01Drew Afualo?

  I remember we were doing it for so long that, and laughing so hard that her mom came in. At one point, it was like, what are you guys doing? And she told her, she goes, don't do that.

• 1:16:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, she goes, you're leaving my house. And going back home.

• 1:16:12Drew Afualo?

  And it wasn't my idea. Mind you, I was just participating.

• 1:16:15Speaker 04

  It was never my idea.

• 1:16:16Drew Afualo?

  I was just playing. It wasn't my idea.

• 1:16:18Speaker 04

  And I did a lot of really cute cuddly stuff as a kid, too. I did a lot of laughing till the night, till the sun went down, you know?

• 1:16:25Drew Afualo?

  I do have more, oh, and here it says, you start in your own sick show live version of The Bachelor at the Elysian Theater called The Pansexual Bachelor.

• 1:16:32Speaker 04

  I did that. That was a blast. Basically, what I did was I tried to get people to realize they like improv without promoting an improv show. Because when I moved from, I came up in the Chicago improv scene, and I fucking love improv. Like, I'll say it very loud, which is like, a lot of people like hate that world, which I really understand. Because if you go to a bad improv show, you're like, I can't believe I paid for that, you know? But this was, yeah, where I was the bachelor, and then I had like, um, we had like a structure to it. My friend who produced it with Anna Wise, she's like a total genius. And we would have a structure, have all the contestants got to pick a character. But then within the structure, we were all improvising. There was a big elimination every single time. And I would like go on live dates with the characters on stage. It was like genuine, it was really a blast. And it got me to know everyone in the community right when I moved here.

• 1:17:15Drew Afualo?

  And you got to focus on one of your special interests, which is The Bachelor, or Bachelor Nation.

• 1:17:19Speaker 04

  No, 1,000%, 1,000%. I was doing all of that.

• 1:17:23Drew Afualo?

  I'm honestly a huge fan of just like, making, forcing people to watch something I love. I'm a huge fan. And making yourself the star of it. I call that the Lin-Manuel Miranda. You know what I mean? Like, I'll write you a genius piece of artistry. I just need to be a center point.

• 1:17:38Speaker 04

  I'm just gonna be in there, probably.

• 1:17:40Drew Afualo?

  I'm gonna be in it, and it's something I care about, and I bet you will, too.

• 1:17:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, you'll probably all be dating me. That's what's so weird is like, but, but I probably don't feel safe dating you. So you'll probably be acting as a character, and we'll practice like that, huh? I was actually. Really happy by the, but by the end of it though, that it was like actually very much like filled with people who weren't, who I didn't know and stuff and like, uh, who were actually like, who's gonna, like I, I finally got people hooked on it, but for sure. The first one I was just like, am I just like doing a dating show and I don't know how to date? So it's just like my friends as characters.

• 1:18:07Drew Afualo?

  Two birds, one stone.

• 1:18:08Speaker 04

  It was a twofer. People got into it. We had fun. We had an escape, you know?

• 1:18:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I needed it. We need those. That was your love island.

• 1:18:14Speaker 04

  It was my love island and we had a confessional, which I loved. So in the middle of it, they could like go, wait, we didn't talk about surprise parties.

• 1:18:19Drew Afualo?

  Oh yeah. You said you wanted me to ask you about surprise.

• 1:18:22Speaker 04

  Well, and I'm curious if you had any because surprise parties, I'm curious if you like them.

• 1:18:26Drew Afualo?

  I don't, I can't remember if I've ever, I think I've had one, one or two in my lifetime.

• 1:18:30Speaker 04

  Did you have fun?

• 1:18:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. One of them, the one I remember significantly was when I was in high school. Um, and I was really surprised, but I remember like my mom put my sister in charge of like hiding everyone, right? Um, and it was like all girls from my school, like volleyball girls.

• 1:18:46Speaker 04

  She shook her head.

• 1:18:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And like my mom put her in charge of that. Um, and we're both in high school and I remember my mom brought me home. And when we walked into the living room, like there were hundreds of pairs of shoes.

• 1:18:59Drew Afualo?

  Purses, backpacks, like hundreds of pairs of shoes. And I, I literally like at least 30 pairs of shoes. And I, I walked in and I was like, who the fuck shoes are those? And I literally, and my mom goes, what do you mean? I go, you don't see this.

• 1:19:12Speaker 04

  You hate there's a bunch of shoes, all different sizes.

• 1:19:15Drew Afualo?

  Me being gaslit, I'm like, you don't see this enormous pile of shoes. And then I was like, and who's back? Is there someone here? Like I literally was like, who the hell's here? And I'm getting pissed off because I'm like, is there somebody here and I don't know? Like, and I, and I had just left the soccer game and stuff.

• 1:19:30Speaker 04

  You're like, you're like, we're getting robbed by a hundred.

• 1:19:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. My mom just kept interrupting me and going, well, come over here. And I go, who the hell is this? Like I'm literally like, someone answer me. And then I finally walked back and then everybody surprised me and I was still surprised, but I was like, you guys are not going to acknowledge this enormous pile of shoes?

• 1:19:47Speaker 04

  You go, hey, next time, let's leave the shoes on.

• 1:19:50Drew Afualo?

  My mom goes, why the fuck did everyone take them off over here? And my sister goes, I, I don't know. I forgot.

• 1:19:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. Before, before she hit everyone, she was like, shoes off.

• 1:20:00Drew Afualo?

  My sister's fifteen, so she's like, I don't know.

• 1:20:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's like, I've never hit a bunch of people, sorry. That was my first time.

• 1:20:05Drew Afualo?

  I did the best I could.

• 1:20:07Speaker 04

  No, that's why I ask because, well, I had, I think I've just had two. There might be one that was bad that I blocked out, but I think I had two and yes, I don't, I don't really appreciate, oh yeah, one other one that was kind of bad. But one growing up where it was like, I was just gonna go get fondue, I was in eighth grade, which is like the worst years. Like you just feel like an orb, like I don't know who, like everything about me is unknown, you know? And I'm so scared and I don't like it. So I'm like with the few people who make me feel safe, like my sister, like two friends, we go to get fondue, classic, I love a dip. So we're walking in and then it's like all my friends from like two years ago. You know what I mean? Which in middle school is like drastic. So it's like I'm having like what, like fondue with someone who like, I don't even, she doesn't, I don't feel seen at all. So that one went bad and that was my mom and we worked through it and it was okay.

• 1:20:50Speaker 04

  But I had ultimately horrible fondue with friends. Um, but then at twenty-four, my sister really and friend Carol, who Carol lit my house on fire, also threw me an amazing surprise party. And so that's how you can forgive. Carol was my first non-binary friend. So it was really tough because I was like, our non-binary is not okay. But then I was like, no, Carol just slipped up with the lighter, you know? Um, but anyways, they, they did a bachelor themed one and what they did was they, uh, I was out with like one friend and they act, acted like he acted like he got sick. And then we got back to my house and it was like all my friends for real at that time. And Carol and Candace had gotten a bunch of, um, dresses from Goodwill and stuff. And so everyone was in outfits and then it was just like this fun theme of the party where everyone was getting drunk. But then we had like a video area set up where people could like be like, can I fill you away?

• 1:21:35Speaker 04

  And would do confessionals and it was like, it just actually felt like a people who are bad at parties, you have a game. You know, which is like me.

• 1:21:41Drew Afualo?

  You need a task.

• 1:21:42Speaker 04

  I like it. I'm not gonna lie. I do like, like people have like Phoebe Bridgers and stuff who I love music wise, will like shit on board games. Caleb, I think, doesn't like them either where it's like I actually.

• 1:21:51Drew Afualo?

  No, he doesn't. He, as someone who loves whimsy, he doesn't love games, which I find shocking.

• 1:21:55Speaker 04

  I love games. I like games. I like to hang without a game, but I love a structure. Let's give me a structure to hang in. Please, I don't.

• 1:22:01Drew Afualo?

  I love a game night. I would much rather do a game night than do like a party, party.

• 1:22:06Speaker 04

  Well, same. Know that. And I'm, I'm good to know for me. Cause I'm here this summer.

• 1:22:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:10Speaker 04

  Do you, what do you, what's your favorite game?

• 1:22:13Drew Afualo?

  Hmm.

• 1:22:14Speaker 04

  You don't have to have one.

• 1:22:15Drew Afualo?

  I don't, I don't think I have a specific one, but there is one that we play all the time with my family and my cousin who's, him and his husband have like themed nights for it, which is probably part of the whimsy, but it's Salem, which is like basically like mafia, but it's like a witch hunt. And so you all have characters, you, it's like a whodunit kind of thing.

• 1:22:32Speaker 04

  This is literally what I mean.

• 1:22:34Drew Afualo?

  And like they have a Salem night where they like, we all come dressed up. Obviously there's lots of alcohol and food and then we play for hours. We play for so long, it's the fucking best. It's a blast.

• 1:22:45Speaker 04

  It's fun to have a little character to maybe drop into, you know? It's like, well, I didn't say that, did I? We were playing a game.

• 1:22:52Speaker 04

  No, I like those ones. Those ones though, people get intense. Like, I swear in our relationship, well, don't take it there. Cause we were having fun.

• 1:22:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for my sister's thirtieth, we, I, we rented this like old hotel and it had like a bunch of rooms. And so we just brought all our favorite people and uh stayed in the hotel together and then just played board games and went out one night. But, and then we're too hungover the next day and then only played board games the rest of the time.

• 1:23:14Speaker 04

  That sounds so fun.

• 1:23:15Drew Afualo?

  It was the, a fucking blast and we played Salem for the longest we've ever played and I won, which is like rare. I'm never a witch. I always want to be a witch because they have powers. I'm always a fucking villager. I'm never anyone else, which is annoying.

• 1:23:28Speaker 04

  I like that you guys do witches instead of um, cause what is it, the other one?

• 1:23:31Drew Afualo?

  Mafia.

• 1:23:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're killer or something.

• 1:23:34Drew Afualo?

  So like with witches, it's like the goal is for your witch is to recruit more witches. The goal of your villagers to catch witches and kill them. So like, that's the whole point. And so it's like a game of strategy or like trying to guess what other people are doing.

• 1:23:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:44Drew Afualo?

  And then it was funny because it was me, my fiance and my cousin's husband left. We were the only three alive left. And my cousin always narrates, so he never participates. So he sees who everyone is, whatever. And then at the end, I remember my um, my fiance forgot. He like killed my cousin's husband. He killed him, but they were tied together. So he died too. And I was like, I fucking did it.

• 1:24:07Speaker 04

  You were like, hi, I'm the best witch. And then everyone's like, back to life. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:13Speaker 04

  The spotlight goes off so quick after one of those games. Like, you're like so in witch character. You're like, you're like riding on a broomstick. And they're like, hey, so we're packing up things. We're out of the hotel scene.

• 1:24:21Drew Afualo?

  So checkout was 11:30. So we actually gotta hit the road. No, I know. I was running that high for a minute. I was running that high for a while. It was fucking awesome. Okay, well, we'll do a couple more fun facts.

• 1:24:31Speaker 04

  Yes, I'll stop at that scene and bring it back.

• 1:24:33Drew Afualo?

  No, you're totally fine. Uh, it says that Paul Heeg's assistant found your comedy videos on Twitter, and that's how you got your audition to star in the comedy series Welcome to Flatch.

• 1:24:42Speaker 04

  That is correct. That is the only reason I became an actor. I would have loved to be, I always like, like, performing, but I just grew up mostly in like Nebraska and Florida and also it just did not seem like a simple path in any way, shape or form. I was to become an actor. Um, felt unrealistic. So yeah, well, an ex-boyfriend of mine, who I'm still friends with, just went to his wedding. He told me to go, he told me to start posting stuff on Twitter. I didn't really use it. And so then I did for like six months and then, um, one of the videos Paul Heeg's assistant saw.

• 1:25:11Drew Afualo?

  That's so fucking cool.

• 1:25:13Speaker 04

  I saw this thing that, um, Quinta said the other day on Amy Poehler's podcast where she said like, I know exactly what I did to get here. And it made me think about my story more of like, I never wanted to sound like, because I love that she said that. Cause she's like, I did everything to be here. You know, and she did. And I'm obsessed with her.

• 1:25:30Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 1:25:31Speaker 04

  And I love Abbott and yeah, I look up to her. And so I was like, I think I did too, but it was, it wasn't like, oops, I got to be an actor. It was like, I just thought that this specific way of acting was so impossible. But that's why I was like doing long form improv every night. Cause I was like, I know I want to play pretend. I know I want these escapes, but these are the ones that seem like

• 1:25:51Drew Afualo?

  Doable.

• 1:25:51Speaker 04

  I can do, this seems like, this seems like my acting school. I can't go pay for acting school.

• 1:25:55Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:25:56Speaker 04

  Nor do I want to be in a bunch of rooms with guys who failed that acting who are mad at me, you know?

• 1:26:01Drew Afualo?

  And talk to me like I'm stupid.

• 1:26:02Speaker 04

  Right. We still found him in the improv community, obviously, but, um, but there were.

• 1:26:07Drew Afualo?

  Oh yeah, they find anything and ruin it. So that is true.

• 1:26:09Speaker 04

  But yes, I was like, I was doing it, I think in that way. And I think that then was my acting school without me realizing it. Cause like for four years, really, I just like, worked random jobs and then like improvised every single night. And it was like, then when the acting thing came out, I was like, I don't know how to act. I haven't, like, what the hell? And I was like, very, very scared and had bad imposter syndrome. And then I was on set and I was like, oh, I know how to do this.

• 1:26:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:26:30Speaker 04

  But it was like, anyways, I just thought about that a lot when she said that. Cause I was like, yeah, I don't ever want it to sound like, um, Yeah, you do have to work really hard to fucking and make these kind of things come true.

• 1:26:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, well, and it's also, I think there's something to say about being intentional with what you're doing, like knowing that this might work out into something, but either way, I'm gonna do it regardless because it's my passion.

• 1:26:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:26:50Drew Afualo?

  So I think that's, I think that's fucking awesome, but you were like, obviously you did it for a reason, like, and even so, on a much lesser scale, when I was posting TikTok videos, I had no way of knowing where it was gonna go.

• 1:27:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:27:00Drew Afualo?

  Any way, shape or form, I just wanted to do it, like, so I was like, I, it felt, it wasn't intentional until it was, right? So it's like.

• 1:27:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:27:08Drew Afualo?

  The end goal was never the intention, but the intention to post because you enjoy it, or you wanted to do it because that's what you love, is, is real.

• 1:27:15Speaker 04

  Well, and the intention, I think for me is just like, okay, I know I'm an artist, and so I'm gonna always be making art, and that's the, and I can't, I don't, I'm not in charge of all these companies with all the money.

• 1:27:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:24Speaker 04

  But what I am in charge of is like, making art, and no one's ever gonna be like, go make art, that's really rare, you know?

• 1:27:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:30Speaker 04

  Like, I'll find people who like aren't make money at, making money at their art at a certain window of time, which is like so normal for so many artists who are incredible.

• 1:27:36Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 1:27:37Speaker 04

  Will like question their artistry, like, well, am I one? And I'm like, what the, I'm making money and being artist are, you don't even, it's cool when you get, it's cool when you get to.

• 1:27:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:46Speaker 04

  But that doesn't have to do with it, so that's why I just have to check in with myself, even in now being in an, in an industry where I can make money by performing, I have to be like, hey, have you been doing your art too, you know?

• 1:27:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely, that's so true, and it's very like, it tells, it speaks to the artists themselves when it's like, that's not the point of why I did it, like, I didn't, I didn't make it or do it because I wanted to make a lot of money off of it, or I wanted to be really famous because of it, I did it because that's what I wanted to do it, like, it almost negates the point of art when you feel like you need to make money in order to do it for a living, or for it to mean anything, right?

• 1:28:18Speaker 04

  I think for it to mean anything, because it's like, of course I understand when people are like, yeah, it's like, we, we have to like make money, but like, I don't know, I, for me, social media is a place that I. I don't think is only bad, but I really don't enjoy my mental, I'm not like Caleb, he'll say to his face.

• 1:28:35Drew Afualo?

  He's the same way, yeah.

• 1:28:35Speaker 04

  Well, no, that he's strong between us.

• 1:28:37Drew Afualo?

  Oh, strong, I'm saying he doesn't like it.

• 1:28:39Speaker 04

  He will, and he'll say I'm strong, and this is a real, but it's one of those things where he's like, it's right, I'm not, like, if a bunch of people, when they comment me and stuff about me, I go, you hurt my feelings. But I, I don't, I like, I think you're a loser, but like, I don't, I still didn't wanna that have changed.

• 1:28:52Drew Afualo?

  And that's okay, too.

• 1:28:53Speaker 04

  Exactly, one thousand percent, but then it made me forget how much like, cause I will use it as a tool then, and then when I go off it, when I have jobs and stuff, I don't know, sometimes like. Your videos or Caleb's podcast, which I, you know, also I'm obsessed with him too, it makes me feel like, oh, the purpose really is that like, getting through to all the people who are. Like us and like here, and then it does matter so much, so it's like, I'm, I really, I'm grateful that I got my in, bringing back to, from Greg, Paul's assistant, from the internet. Because I think otherwise, there's a chance of me just being like, fuck the internet, where it's like, no, the internet, like.

• 1:29:27Drew Afualo?

  It can be a very useful tool.

• 1:29:28Speaker 04

  It can be a very useful tool for people to not feel alone, it's like, there's so many gay people and people in like, places where no one is around, and then they get to like, find one person.

• 1:29:36Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 1:29:36Speaker 04

  Who, and honestly, it's funny that everyone's like, don't go on there for activism, and I'm just like, I totally know what you guys are saying, but I'm like, a lot of how things are spread for good organizations, is also through the internet.

• 1:29:46Drew Afualo?

  I, I've said that too, I'm like, unfortunately, now, that is how a lot of people get their news, so unfortunately, now, it is a tool for that as well, it's not, it's not the best thing, but it can be. It can be, it's one of those things that it can be used for good or evil.

• 1:29:57Speaker 04

  It can be, exactly.

• 1:29:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, it really just depends on the person weaponizing it, so, I, I feel like, even when you were saying about how, like, you're grateful to the internet for that kind of exposure to, to other people that are like, like you, not like you at all, but aligned in so many ways. I've said before too, that I'm grateful to the internet, even though I can be very upset with the internet at many times, like, I'm grateful too, because I never would have been seen had it not been for the internet. Many people who look and sound like me would never have the attention that I have now because of. If without the internet, nobody would be able to see us. So I've said like, it wasn't even really that I got to a point, because a lot of times they're like, oh, when did you get to a point where? Everyone was like, you made it, like whatever, which I don't know what that barometer would be, like the measurement is so different. Depending on who you ask, but.

• 1:30:42Speaker 04

  Some people can never.

• 1:30:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was like, it honestly took a few people to really believe in me because for the most part, nobody did. And I told them. And I just got to a point where I just got too big to ignore. That's really what happened. It wasn't even that I changed the minds of everyone.

• 1:30:54Speaker 04

  Check it bitch, goosies. That's a, no, because I'm a hundred percent, that's my, my favorite thing about the internet.

• 1:31:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:01Speaker 04

  One, it was the same thing, like I would never have, it wasn't the same thing, but I'm saying I would have never been on TV and so many of my favorite inspirations and people who I look up to. Would have never, we would have never seen them because yeah, these five guys at the top are like, that's not what I'm into. I wouldn't want to fuck her. Well, thank God I don't want to fuck you. That means the world, you know?

• 1:31:20Drew Afualo?

  Well, thank God you said that because I was so worried about what you wanted.

• 1:31:22Speaker 04

  So worried about that.

• 1:31:23Drew Afualo?

  And honestly, that is how I found Caleb. I, I followed Caleb on Twitter for years before I deleted my Twitter and before we ever met in line, before TikTok, before any of that. It wasn't until you followed me on TikTok that I showed him to Dace, my sister, and she was like, oh my God, he's from Twitter. And we laughed about it because she was like, he is so funny. And I was like, that's true. Now I know he's also evil, but that's just something that comes with time. That comes with time.

• 1:31:45Speaker 04

  I also know he's like lying about being gay.

• 1:31:49Speaker 04

  No, I, yeah, I couldn't agree more. And I also just want to clarify one thing, which is like, when I say that mean stuff like hurts my feelings, it's like, it doesn't hurt me like that, the, the power that they like.

• 1:31:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, this makes you see yourself any differently?

• 1:32:00Speaker 04

  It makes me, it doesn't, it's never like, oh, I guess I'm ugly or something like that. It's at all, and more is just like, it makes me like so depressed how many people are like.

• 1:32:09Drew Afualo?

  Awful like that.

• 1:32:10Speaker 04

  Or who are just like, yeah, like, oh God, dude, everyone's life could be so much better. You know what makes me sad about the culture? Like it makes me sad about the culture, but then. You are the culture, Caleb's the culture. And I'm like, that's the big shift that we need. I think big culture shift. It's happening, but I'm like, we need a big fucking culture shift.

• 1:32:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's like that meme where it says, you know, you can always tell when a man's never been told to shut the fuck up. That's my special power. I can smell that. Other than height, I can smell like when they personally have never been told. To shut the fuck up or what they're saying is stupid. Like they've never heard either of those things.

• 1:32:40Speaker 04

  No one said it.

• 1:32:41Drew Afualo?

  And I would be glad to be the one to tell you. Like that's always my, that's my gift when I find it. And I'm like, you've never been told to shut the fuck up. I'll, I'll do it for you.

• 1:32:50Speaker 04

  I'm obsessed. Guys love to, who have never been around someone like, who doesn't have a symmetrical face. They'll be like, they'll always be, "You're really funny." And I'm like, "I know." You know what I mean?

• 1:33:02Drew Afualo?

  Thank you.

• 1:33:03Speaker 04

  It's just one of those things where it's like, you haven't been around, you need to hang out with more faces that are asymmetrical, you're gonna freak. Like, there's a lot of girls you're missing out on.

• 1:33:11Drew Afualo?

  You gotta shuffle them around a little bit.

• 1:33:12Speaker 04

  Shuffle them around? There's some, there's some people that are really gonna surprise you, but yeah, no, I love your skill. I literally went to, I went to one AA meeting, and you're not supposed to talk about them, but here I am. Um, and, but, I love the practice, but I think that, I think they're like, one of the few things fighting the patriarchy, for real. Because it's like, all these guys who are like, about to lose it, and are like, "Instead of drinking, I'm here." And it's like, "That rocks," you know?

• 1:33:33Speaker 04

  I'm glad you're here. Right. But, someone said, which I really appreciated, just, "Wait," the phrase, they were like, "Sometimes I do wait." And it's, "Why am I talking?" And I literally was like, "I need to say wait once a day."

• 1:33:44Drew Afualo?

  More people need that.

• 1:33:46Speaker 04

  I was like, "Wait's pretty good."

• 1:33:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and until they get it, I'll do it for you.

• 1:33:50Speaker 04

  And so, yeah. And honestly, sometimes I want you to know, text me, "Wait," and I'll go, "Yeah, 100%." I'll go, "100."

• 1:33:56Drew Afualo?

  I'll, I'll check in with you.

• 1:33:58Speaker 04

  I'll be like, "Is that a board game?" You'll be like, "No, I'm telling you to shut the fuck up, dude."

• 1:34:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, more people need that kind of, like, self policing, I would say.

• 1:34:05Speaker 04

  Just a check in.

• 1:34:06Drew Afualo?

  What, "Why am I talking?"

• 1:34:08Speaker 04

  I need one sometimes.

• 1:34:09Drew Afualo?

  Sabrina Breyer, when she was on the show, she told me, "Sometimes when I hear men go, 'I need, I don't wanna try stand up, I just wanna go, 'Why?

• 1:34:17Drew Afualo?

  Why? Like, why would you need to do it?"

• 1:34:19Speaker 04

  Why? Why? Why are you going to?

• 1:34:21Drew Afualo?

  For what?

• 1:34:22Speaker 04

  I was just saying, you know, I told you, those jazz musicians the other night from Dynasty, who I love, they're good boys, they were just like, sweeties. And, they, uh, were saying, 'cause I was like, "Wow," I was like, "It's so cool what you guys do." Because there, it's like, jazz is the most improvised music, where it's like, "I love improv," so it's fun to talk about how we're improvising. But, they're like, "It's probably annoying, 'cause everyone tells you, like, everyone watches you, and is like, 'I could do that.'" And there's something about, like, stand up, or they're talking.

• 1:34:46Drew Afualo?

  That's so true, yeah.

• 1:34:47Speaker 04

  And I get why, it's like, I, like, you don't have to sit and learn how to do this over and over for hours and hours, you know? But it is a, I think that's, it happens, I mean... It's only happening from guys. I've never had a girl be like.

• 1:34:59Drew Afualo?

  Me either.

• 1:34:59Speaker 04

  That looks easy.

• 1:35:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, same. I've never, I've, I've, I've had guys, I've worked on sets before, like I, I was in an NBA commercial last year.

• 1:35:08Drew Afualo?

  They had people, yeah, they hired me. Uh, they had people following me around with a camera and stuff and there was like two dudes following me around just for B-roll stuff and I remember at the end of the day, like we had been together for probably like four hours. At the end, he was like, hey, you know what?

• 1:35:24Drew Afualo?

  You are pretty funny. Alright, like, thanks. And I, when he said that I go-

• 1:35:29Speaker 04

  You're bald, like, I don't know, you know what I mean?

• 1:35:31Drew Afualo?

  When he said that, I was like, alright. Like, and then it seemed like he felt annoyed that I didn't accept the compliment, but I was like-

• 1:35:38Speaker 04

  You didn't like get a crush on him?

• 1:35:39Drew Afualo?

  No, yeah, well, I don't, I don't give a fuck if you find me funny.

• 1:35:42Speaker 04

  It's just such a wild thing to say.

• 1:35:46Speaker 04

  It's a wild, it's just the tone. For me, it's the tone. Like, actually, if someone, if a guy comes up to me and they're like, dude, you're fucking hysterical. It's like, I'm like, thank you. For me, it's about the tone of being like-

• 1:35:55Drew Afualo?

  Cause you can tell.

• 1:35:55Speaker 04

  I discovered you. It's like, I just met you today and it's been not fun for me.

• 1:36:00Drew Afualo?

  You know what's funny is I didn't, I didn't think you were that funny at first, but now you convinced me. I don't give a fuck. Like, that's literally my initial reaction is always like, I don't fucking care.

• 1:36:10Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:36:10Drew Afualo?

  It's funny because I don't care. Even Mary Beth Barone, when she was on, she said one time a guy followed her out and was giving her notes on her tags on her like thirty minute set. And he said, you should be writing this down. She said, when he said that to her, she goes, why would I do that?

• 1:36:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, why? Why, like, I won't think of something hilarious in five seconds that instead?

• 1:36:30Drew Afualo?

  Oh, this was for real? I thought you were just kind of doing a thing. I didn't think you needed me for it, so.

• 1:36:34Speaker 04

  It's same. I love Mary Beth. She will put a guy in her, in his place.

• 1:36:39Drew Afualo?

  She kills me.

• 1:36:41Speaker 04

  She, we, when we were filming in, uh, Toronto, a guy was like accosted his wife, um, like outside of our, the building we were staying in. He was like screaming at her in front of people. I wasn't there for all the, he would have a double team, right? But, and then they had to go in the elevator together. Mary Beth had to be in the elevator with him after. And I wish I remember the exact phrase she said. She was, she said something like- Like, when you yell, like, that was horrifying, when you yell at your wife. Or she like put him in his place. I forget what she said, but she really was just like, that was disgusting, or something. And it was one of those things where, she was with other guys, other guys from the cast, and they were all like, "That was cool of you." And it's one of those things where it's like, they all loved it, but it was just like, hey, guys, this is kind of how you could talk, like, if you see guys being bad.

• 1:37:19Drew Afualo?

  Right, this is where, this is where we learned. Everybody, did everybody learn something?

• 1:37:22Speaker 04

  Well, what I will say is, everyone was like, "We're obsessed with you," and, and one of my favorite things about Benny is how much he actually sees, like, I feel like, even in overcompensating and in general, he sees, like, you can tell his favorite people are women.

• 1:37:34Drew Afualo?

  Yes, absolutely, I agree.

• 1:37:36Speaker 04

  Storytelling he does, that it's just like, thank God for women.

• 1:37:38Drew Afualo?

  And you were fantastic in the show, by the way.

• 1:37:41Speaker 04

  Thank you so much.

• 1:37:41Drew Afualo?

  I've seen two billion edits of all your best lines from the show.

• 1:37:45Speaker 04

  That was so crazy. I, um, it's really wild to be someone who, like, doesn't, isn't, isn't super femme and doesn't like, uh, wear even that tight up things until like, oh, I'm so sorry, one of my alarms, can you imagine? That's literally what did it say, what did it say?

• 1:38:00Drew Afualo?

  One of your every thirty minute alarms?

• 1:38:01Speaker 04

  I'm so embarrassed, yeah.

• 1:38:02Drew Afualo?

  No, don't be, don't be.

• 1:38:03Speaker 04

  But, where it was just like, it was wild to like, log on and be like, "All right, yeah, that's me." But, um, no, I, I'm very, very grateful. It was so fun to play Haley, and also, yeah, I just am grateful the show exists. I love Benny, I love, I like everyone who's a part of it, and, um...

• 1:38:17Drew Afualo?

  Same, it was a masterpiece. I thought it was beautiful. And I thought you shined. You were a fucking star.

• 1:38:21Speaker 04

  Thank you so much.

• 1:38:22Drew Afualo?

  Which I never doubted about you, but I'm glad other people are catching on now.

• 1:38:25Speaker 04

  No, it felt, it really did. It feels nice, it feels nice, you know what I mean? It's just like, to get a show that's gay made, it's harder than it should be.

• 1:38:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's very true.

• 1:38:35Speaker 04

  For how, I mean, look around at the people we know. Are the funniest people we know oftentimes gay. I don't,

• 1:38:40Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:38:40Speaker 04

  It's like, I didn't,

• 1:38:41Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:38:42Speaker 04

  I'm not God, I didn't make them this way, it just turned out this way.

• 1:38:45Drew Afualo?

  Yes, that's their gift for being oppressed.

• 1:38:47Speaker 04

  Their gift for being oppressed is that,

• 1:38:48Drew Afualo?

  Is being hilarious.

• 1:38:49Speaker 04

  Shit was hard, and what did we do? We did laugh.

• 1:38:54Speaker 04

  We simply did have to bust occasionally.

• 1:38:56Drew Afualo?

  That seems like a great place to end, but I do want to thank you so much for coming on. I fucking love you.

• 1:39:01Speaker 04

  I'm obsessed with you, this was an honor, I can't even.

• 1:39:03Drew Afualo?

  You are so funny, I'm tickled pink. Everybody over here was giggling way more than they have the last few episodes. Thanks, team.

• 1:39:09Speaker 04

  I got a couple, I got mom, I got mom once or twice. Met the world. She goes, she goes, she goes, "Don't," maybe once.

• 1:39:16Drew Afualo?

  Don't push it.

• 1:39:18Speaker 04

  She's like, "You're gonna fit in the wheel pretty soon, you're gonna work for me."

• 1:39:22Drew Afualo?

  Well, thank you so much for coming. I know that you don't do interviews often, so I am grateful. Check this out, and I'm just, and I just fart. That's how I should have ended it.

• 1:39:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, check it. Can you imagine?

• 1:39:30Drew Afualo?

  Oh, damn.

• 1:39:31Speaker 04

  I would have been really, really, you don't let your fiance watch. You can't watch this episode, baby. You can't watch this one.

• 1:39:39Drew Afualo?

  Oh, he doesn't watch me. Anyways.

• 1:39:42Drew Afualo?

  Thank you so much to my amazing guest Holmes for joining us on this episode of the comment section. For those who maybe don't know where can everybody find you?

• 1:39:49Speaker 04

  Um, you can find me on, uh, under, underscore, underscore Holmes, underscore Holmes. Uh, Instagram, TikTok. I'm not there that much, but sometimes I will and I'll post about a show. I do live shows and hopefully you'll see me on more shows in general.

• 1:40:03Drew Afualo?

  Yes, absolutely.

• 1:40:04Speaker 04

  But watch Overcompensating if you haven't. Watch Welcome to Flatch. Honestly, there's good, there's, I think you'll bust in both.

• 1:40:10Drew Afualo?

  You're a fucking star and you're so hilarious. I'm so glad the world has you. You're a gift.

• 1:40:14Speaker 04

  Thank you. You're a gift.

• 1:40:15Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my God. Thank you so much.

• 1:40:17Speaker 04

  I really mean it. That's why I'm here.

• 1:40:18Drew Afualo?

  Check this out. Then I gotta fart.

• 1:40:20Speaker 04

  Check this out. Okay, what happens? Now you do, Jake. Now I leave really fast.

• 1:40:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, now, well, now like I'll press a button. You'll just, it'll eject you out.

• 1:40:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. You're like so strap in. Get ready for that. Okay, I really had the best time.

• 1:40:33Drew Afualo?

  I had the best time with you. You're so funny. It kills me.

• 1:40:36Speaker 04

  You're so funny.

• 1:40:37Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I hate, all my friends are so fucking talented and hilarious. It's exhausting, honestly. You guys have no idea the battles I fight every day.

• 1:40:43Speaker 04

  Thank God. Thank God. There's other ones.

• 1:40:45Drew Afualo?

  I know.

• 1:40:46Speaker 04

  If it was just a few of us out here, shit would get so bleak.

• 1:40:49Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:40:49Speaker 04

  But I don't have to slow down how I talk.

• 1:40:51Drew Afualo?

  It's a gift. Love that.

• 1:40:53Speaker 04

  Lord knows I have to. Sometimes, sometimes I only note on set. They go, we didn't get any of the words. I go, a hundred percent.

• 1:40:58Drew Afualo?

  You're, it's okay. I was just coming up. Hundred percent. Let's run it back.

• 1:41:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, I go, let's work on that. Okay, perfect. So I push.

• 1:41:04Drew Afualo?

  Oh, no, no, it's okay. I'll close it right now.

• 1:41:06Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, I thought it was closed. I was still talking. I'm so sorry. Look, I thought we were like fully done. Sorry, guys.

• 1:41:11Drew Afualo?

  Thank you all so much for joining us on this episode of the comment section. Don't forget, new episodes of the comment section come out every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms with the video list for free and exclusively on our favorite platform, Spotify. Thank you so much to my amazing guest Holmes. Make sure you follow Holmes on everything. Make sure you watch Overcompensating, everything else they're in. They're amazing. And I'll see you all next week. Bye.

• 1:41:42Speaker 00

  Welcome to 215 Maple Drive. We just put this property on the market.

• 1:41:47Speaker 01

  Love the crown molding.

• 1:41:49Speaker 00

  Oh, wait until you see the walk-in closets and the bathroom tile.

• 1:41:53Speaker 01

  Does it have Verizon FiOS? You know, 100% fiber internet?

• 1:41:56Speaker 00

  No FiOS, but it looks like it's got cable. Let's check out the kitchen.

• 1:42:00Speaker 01

  No FiOS? Yeah, no thank you.

• 1:42:03Speaker 00

  Don't you want to see the rest? Okay, bye-bye.

• 1:42:06Speaker 02

  Get Verizon FiOS because when you're moving, it's 100% or nothing.

• 1:42:10Speaker 03

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