LET’S! Ft. Boman Martinez-Reid | Episode 200

Boman Martinez-Reid (@bomanizer) is back on the show this week! Drew and Boman talk about event attire, getting into fights at parties, bob haircuts, the show Heated Rivalry, their childhood home videos, being in a boy band, and so much more. Boman IG: https://www.instagram.com/bomanizer/?hl=en Boman Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@bomanizer?lang=en Follow The Comment Section on IG: https://www.instagram.com/thecommentsection/?hl=en 20% off at Sephora Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:32Speaker 01

  The boys kiss. And first of all, normalize the boys kissing.

• 0:36Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  I watched Boots on Netflix.

• 0:38Drew Afualo?

  Okay. My sister watched it. She said she loved it.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  I was like, when do the boys kiss?

• 0:44Drew Afualo?

  Hey, get to the kissing.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  Oh, you want to talk about get to the kissing? They said, all right, start kissing now.

• 1:01Drew Afualo?

  Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show starring me, your fave, who cares about me. Onto the guest. Today, we have the iconic, the hilarious, the legendary, another all-star, Bowman Martinez.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  All right, let's get this over with.

• 1:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, welcome back, King.

• 1:21Speaker 01

  You know, I'm really happy to be here. Sorry, be back.

• 1:23Drew Afualo?

  Yes, be back, yes.

• 1:25Speaker 01

  I'm happy to be the first, the first Afro-Canadian queer person of color with astigmatism to be a returning guest

• 1:40Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  on the Comment Section.

• 1:41Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  That is a fact.

• 1:43Drew Afualo?

  Everyone, yeah, give it up.

• 1:44Speaker 01

  That is a fact.

• 1:45Drew Afualo?

  Yes, that is a fact. Yes, you are so correct.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:48Drew Afualo?

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• 2:15Speaker 01

  It's really important and I'm happy to be the one, you know, trailblaze a path for yourself.

• 2:20Drew Afualo?

  Yes, I'm so glad you're you're able to do that for me as well. And guess what, my diversity list check with you.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Yes, you're good for the rest of the season.

• 2:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I'm good. I don't need to I don't need to worry about it.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  She had Bowman on. And he has astigmatism.

• 2:37Drew Afualo?

  I also have an astigmatism.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:39Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  I didn't know, and not to correct you here.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Me correcting you on your podcast. I didn't know that it's astigmatism, not a stigmatism. It's kind of like autism.

• 2:54Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  No, no, hey, no, and and by that, I mean, like, and listen.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Like, it's kind of like saying I have autism. Because you wouldn't say I have an autism. That would be bad.

• 3:17Drew Afualo?

  I got you.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  You guys, clap if you understand what I'm saying.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  Right, right, okay.

• 3:24Drew Afualo?

  I started drooling because I'm laughing.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:30Drew Afualo?

  James?

• 3:31Speaker 01

  What was that?

• 3:32Drew Afualo?

  What was that? Um, James, well, thank you for the enlightening moment.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  We've covered a lot already.

• 3:38Drew Afualo?

  I will say I am listening, learning and growing.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:41Drew Afualo?

  It's important to keep that top of mind.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  It's a lot. It's important to do all those things at once. Right here on the comments section.

• 3:48Drew Afualo?

  We'll be back. I am very happy to have you back.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 3:52Drew Afualo?

  I feel like we've been seeing each other everywhere lately.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  Everywhere because.

• 3:56Drew Afualo?

  Now that you're stateside.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  I've been going stateside, right? Like the song, yeah.

• 4:03Drew Afualo?

  Yes, yes.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  I moved here. I'm now bi-coastal, if you consider Toronto on the coast.

• 4:07Drew Afualo?

  Sure, I will for you. I don't know shit about Canada.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  That's okay.

• 4:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  I can, we can teach you some things.

• 4:12Drew Afualo?

  Sure, I would love to know.

• 4:14Speaker 01

  The language, the rules, the tricks of the trade of Canada. Yeah, but I moved here. Crazy place, LA.

• 4:22Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Crazy place this is.

• 4:25Drew Afualo?

  It's a house of horrors and highlights all at the same time.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:30Drew Afualo?

  It's crazy.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  What do you, okay, this is the one thing I'm trying to figure out.

• 4:33Drew Afualo?

  Hmm.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  What do you wear here? Like, I, I promise, like, the attire is so confusing.

• 4:42Drew Afualo?

  Right. Based off the weather or just the vibe?

• 4:44Speaker 01

  All of it.

• 4:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  All of it. Look at me, you're in a sweater. I'm dressed to go to WeHo.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Like, what, it's December.

• 4:53Drew Afualo?

  You're always kinda dressed to go to WeHo.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  Was that a read?

• 4:58Speaker 01

  Was that a read?

• 4:59Drew Afualo?

  You never have to get ready. That's kind of what I'm thinking.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:02Drew Afualo?

  But also, obviously, to be fair, I would be dressed more like you if it wasn't holiday season here.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  And this is where I got the vibes wrong. I should have showed up in a cardigan.

• 5:13Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  However, once again, LA.

• 5:16Drew Afualo?

  Maybe that's the most LA thing. We're in two very different fits.

• 5:19Speaker 01

  That's so true.

• 5:20Drew Afualo?

  That's the most LA fit ever.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  We are getting to the bottom of things.

• 5:23Drew Afualo?

  We are.

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Right here, on the comment section.

• 5:27Drew Afualo?

  No, that's very, you're very right, though, about dress code, especially at the events we go to. Cause it's confusing all, all across the board.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  I've lost the plot.

• 5:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, when I, when I bring, when I bring people to events that aren't in this business, really, they're like, well, what do I wear? And I'm like, honestly, anything. Like, you could wear literally anything.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:45Drew Afualo?

  You could be in a ball gown and show up and someone's in just nipple pacies and someone else is in a sweatsuit. It's very confusing.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  It's so crazy.

• 5:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  I will show, I will spend hours looking at my closet.

• 5:56Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 5:56Speaker 01

  Pissed. And then I'll show up, some other influencer is there in t-shirt and jeans. White t-shirt and jeans. You know, I can't, I can't do that.

• 6:07Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  I have to show up looking like I'm going to WeHo. Like, I have to impress everybody, like.

• 6:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  God, it's crazy.

• 6:15Drew Afualo?

  You only get one first impression.

• 6:16Speaker 01

  You really only do get one first impression. You have to make it count out here. My goodness. Try going to a general meeting.

• 6:26Drew Afualo?

  Oh, girl.

• 6:27Speaker 01

  Once again, what do I wear?

• 6:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, too many fucking things. I'm like, well, I gotta wear jeans, but then I also have to wear a nicer top.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  And what are they wearing?

• 6:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  They're at work.

• 6:35Drew Afualo?

  Girl, sometimes they're in suits and sometimes they're like more casual than I am.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 6:40Drew Afualo?

  I don't even know. I have to strike them the middle.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  And this is why, here in America, we need state-regulated clothing.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  Now.

• 6:49Drew Afualo?

  Uniforms.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Uniforms.

• 6:51Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  That's where we should.

• 6:52Drew Afualo?

  Dress code.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 6:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, we need, we need general guidelines. I love when people are specific about what they would like you to wear, like, to these events. So they're like color palette, or like, general theme.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:04Drew Afualo?

  I appreciate a little bit of guidance.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 7:07Speaker 01

  But then they get into, um, the, the different categories. So there's like, there's chic, but then there's cocktail chic.

• 7:16Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  And then there's cocktail formal, and then there's formal chic.

• 7:20Drew Afualo?

  Girl.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  What does that mean? And, and I'm gonna, what does that mean for a man?

• 7:27Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 7:28Speaker 01

  Did you? There's a, there's a shirt and a tie, and what else?

• 7:31Drew Afualo?

  Tucked.

• 7:32Speaker 01

  What, what do I wear?

• 7:33Drew Afualo?

  That's it.

• 7:34Speaker 01

  Anyway, I spent a thousand dollars on a Korean website the other day getting clothes for events.

• 7:40Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  I got so much clothes.

• 7:43Drew Afualo?

  Okay, that's so nice, though.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:45Drew Afualo?

  For, for a thousand bucks, getting a ton in return for that is awesome.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  It actually, I got like.

• 7:49Drew Afualo?

  Tea.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  I got like twenty outfits.

• 7:51Drew Afualo?

  Okay, tea.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:53Drew Afualo?

  Look at you.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:54Drew Afualo?

  I'm excited for you.

• 7:55Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 7:55Drew Afualo?

  You're always dressed so nice, though.

• 7:57Speaker 01

  True.

• 7:57Drew Afualo?

  Yes, that's true. Cause we've seen each other at so many events.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Oh my god, so many events.

• 8:02Drew Afualo?

  You know what's funny is I had a sleepover with Brittany. We both love Brittany.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  And I wasn't invited, but.

• 8:08Drew Afualo?

  I didn't know you were staytide. Just kidding. Um, but I was, I honestly was only talking about the panel that we did together.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:21Drew Afualo?

  I laughed about that. I still do. I still do now, like, but this shit you were saying, dude, when you were like, "I have a question. What's going on?"

• 8:32Drew Afualo?

  Like, we've been at the event for an hour.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:35Drew Afualo?

  When we were sitting there for an hour and they were talking about a bunch of other shit, and then you go, "What are they even talking about?"

• 8:42Speaker 01

  Well, no, because what were they talking about?

• 8:44Drew Afualo?

  I still don't know. I still don't have that answer.

• 8:47Speaker 01

  Sometimes you're, sometimes you're like half in the conversation, you're half listening, and then you like tune back in, and they're talking about something completely different. The things they were talking about gagged me.

• 8:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they were.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  Why were they saying those things?

• 9:00Drew Afualo?

  I don't know.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Every five minutes.

• 9:02Drew Afualo?

  I tuned back in, I hear them talking about the Great Wall of China. I was like, wait.

• 9:07Drew Afualo?

  What did I miss? I only tuned out.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  And by the way, this panel was not about China.

• 9:10Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 9:11Speaker 01

  And not in the slightest.

• 9:13Drew Afualo?

  Not even a little bit.

• 9:14Speaker 01

  And then they were asking us crazy questions.

• 9:17Drew Afualo?

  Girl, the question that my sister is still, we still laugh about now and he's like-

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Was it the partying questions?

• 9:22Drew Afualo?

  Yes, when he says, "Just doing crack cocaine."

• 9:26Speaker 01

  This man, this older gentleman, goes up there and asks us, "How do you guys party these days?"

• 9:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, "What do you do for fun?" And then I go, "Uh, like just generally?" Or, and he's like, "Yeah." I go, "Well..." He goes, "Like, are you just doing blow in the back room?" That's what it was, doing blow. And I was like-

• 9:49Speaker 01

  First of all, who's saying yes to that?

• 9:51Drew Afualo?

  Also, what do we, in the 1970s? Doing blow.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 9:55Drew Afualo?

  And also, mind you, I'm in a suit.

• 10:00Drew Afualo?

  Mind you, I'm in a suit the whole time.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:02Drew Afualo?

  We're trying to talk about growth on social media.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:06Drew Afualo?

  Doing blow in that back room.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  I couldn't, but you know, it's like, sometimes you go into an experience like that, and you're like, "Gosh, I hope I say the right thing."

• 10:17Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  "God, I hope I say the right, I hope I make the room laugh." And then, you get there, and then the moderator is asking you if everybody's doing blow in the bathroom. How could I prepare for this?

• 10:29Drew Afualo?

  No, for real, like, no amount of media training could have equipped me for that.

• 10:33Speaker 01

  Nothing.

• 10:33Drew Afualo?

  And then I just said, "When I party with people that looks like, you know, in Squid Game, when all the rich people get together and they watch all the poor people kill each other? That's what I'd be doing in my free time with other famous people, you know."

• 10:45Speaker 01

  I just play Mario Party. That, that's how I have a good time.

• 10:49Drew Afualo?

  I know, so Bowman was answering questions in earnest, like, "I guess play Mario Party?"

• 10:56Speaker 01

  What, well, that's the truth.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  Although, if you want to talk about partying,

• 11:03Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 11:04Speaker 01

  I'm new to LA.

• 11:05Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  Drew?

• 11:06Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  I've been getting into fights. Like, no.

• 11:11Drew Afualo?

  Altercations?

• 11:12Speaker 01

  Yes. I've been getting into fights.

• 11:16Drew Afualo?

  With whom?

• 11:17Speaker 01

  With the locals.

• 11:20Drew Afualo?

  With the Americans.

• 11:21Speaker 01

  I've been getting into fights because people are, you know what? Listen, I had my day back in Toronto.

• 11:27Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  And I still live in Toronto. I still go back and forth.

• 11:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  I've gone out a lot in Toronto. And that, you build tough, like, thick skin doing that.

• 11:36Drew Afualo?

  I've heard that about Toronto specifically. That they can be mean.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 11:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  But, coming here. This is a whole other ballgame.

• 11:46Drew Afualo?

  You think?

• 11:46Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, can I tell you the story?

• 11:48Drew Afualo?

  Please do.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  Okay. Okay, so.

• 11:54Speaker 01

  Now. If you were there with me on this night. If you're watching this, I want you to know, like. I love you, like, don't worry. I don't want to be, I'm not trying to be shady or anything, but this is my truth. And it's important to stand in your truth.

• 12:10Drew Afualo?

  Yes, it is, and I will validate it for you.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  And talk about your truth on the comment section.

• 12:14Drew Afualo?

  On the comment section, exactly.

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Okay. So, um, I go out with my good friend.

• 12:19Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 12:20Speaker 01

  Okay? My friend says. We're gonna go out to the bar. And my work friend is gonna be there, we're gonna meet him.

• 12:28Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  I was like, okay, sure.

• 12:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  So I go, I meet the work friend.

• 12:31Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 12:34Speaker 01

  I don't think the work friend liked me very much.

• 12:36Drew Afualo?

  Uh oh.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  I don't know why. Right off the bat, I couldn't, I couldn't really

• 12:40Drew Afualo?

  Weird vibe.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Understand the vibe.

• 12:42Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 12:42Speaker 01

  Okay. So, now picture this. We're at this bar. My friend is here.

• 12:48Drew Afualo?

  Uh huh.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  The work friend is here, whoms I do not know. Okay?

• 12:52Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  The work friend is telling me that, about his job.

• 12:57Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  He's telling the, the crowd about his job. And he's really, his, his job involves like, math and data and numbers. Now, here's where I go wrong.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  Here's where I go wrong. So he says, and I didn't mean it this way.

• 13:13Drew Afualo?

  Right, right.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  But he goes, yeah. Yeah, my, my job is about math and numbers. I'm brains and beauty.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  And I said, I said, "Well, you're definitely brains." Now, now, okay, now, listen.

• 13:32Speaker 01

  Now, hold on.

• 13:33Drew Afualo?

  And I didn't mean it that way.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  Here's what I meant.

• 13:38Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  I meant to say, "Wow, you must be a genius."

• 13:44Speaker 01

  That's what I meant to s- that's what I, I meant to say, "Wow, like, you're, you must be a genius." However, the way it came out, sounded shady. So let's go, so now, let's go back. I said, "Well, you're definitely brains."

• 14:00Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  Okay?

• 14:02Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 14:03Speaker 01

  And he was offended. And honestly, rightfully so.

• 14:07Drew Afualo?

  Yo, as I'm recounting it, that kinda makes sense.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  That was kind of rude.

• 14:12Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 14:12Speaker 01

  So, but I, I realized that in the moment.

• 14:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  Okay?

• 14:15Drew Afualo?

  I would've laughed. Even if I just met you, I would've laughed.

• 14:18Speaker 01

  Like, if I said that to your face?

• 14:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I would've laughed.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  Because like-

• 14:21Drew Afualo?

  And I would've threw shade back, cuz that's the culture.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  Because that's the culture.

• 14:24Drew Afualo?

  Right, and it's fun. And I like how your correction was that it was actually funnier, the other thing you wanted to say. You just wanna get that out there.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. I say that, and then he does not let it go. He goes, "Oh, well, I'm just hideous then. Oh, great, no, I'm just so ugly. Oh, I'm just, I'm just, I'm smart, but I'm not, I'm not pretty." He goes on and on and on. Now, imagine you're me.

• 14:46Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  You're like, "Okay, I don't know you like that." So, I, I just like, shut down, I shut out, whatever, I'm like, over it. And I'm standing there quietly.

• 14:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  So then, later on, in that same conversation, he asks me my name again. He goes, "What was your name again?" And now, I'm already like, "I don't really like you, but like, whatever." He goes, "What was your name again, by the way?" I said, "Bowman." He goes, "What?

• 15:17Drew Afualo?

  Oh."

• 15:18Speaker 01

  I go, "We're at a loud club." He's heard everything I've said up until this point.

• 15:23Drew Afualo?

  Oh, you heard, so you heard me call you ugly from a distance? But you didn't hear me say my name? Right, okay.

• 15:28Speaker 01

  He goes, "What? What? Your name, what?" I go, "Bowman." He goes, "What?" I said, "Fix your face, my name is Bowman."

• 15:41Speaker 01

  He goes, "Okay, don't tell me to fix my face."

• 15:46Speaker 01

  I said, "Well, don't make your face ugly when I'm telling you my name." We did not get off on the right foot. Okay? We did not get off on the right foot.

• 15:57Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  There's more.

• 15:59Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  So then I go to somebody else, I'm talking to friends, whatever, this other person pisses me off because I had just gotten my hair done that day. And this person comes up to me and goes, "Bowman, oh, I was gonna say I like your bob, but I guess it's not a bob, is it?" Uh, it's kinda giving bob.

• 16:17Drew Afualo?

  Okay, okay. Okay.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 16:23Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  Whatever happened to, "Hello?"

• 16:26Drew Afualo?

  Hi, hello, how are you?

• 16:27Speaker 01

  "How are you?" "My name is..." Like, oh my god.

• 16:31Drew Afualo?

  I guess it's not a bob, is it? You wanna call me a slur.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Like... That's what I'm saying.

• 16:37Drew Afualo?

  You wanna call me a slur, I can sense it.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  So then, I go over to my friend, and the work friend, and I go, "Someone just made fun of my hair to my face, it pissed me off."

• 16:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 16:48Speaker 01

  And he goes, "What did he say?" I said, "He told me my hair looks like a bob." The work friend starts laughing in my face. He goes, "Oh my god, it is kinda giving bob though, isn't it?" Oh my god. Literally. He goes, "It's kinda giving bob." I said, "Well, a bob is better than whatever pixie wig with baby bangs you've got going on."

• 17:12Drew Afualo?

  And if I'm the friend, your close friend, I'm like, "Oh!"

• 17:15Speaker 01

  And then, somebody pours, passes him a drink. Somebody passes him a drink, and he goes, "Well, why don't you like walk your bob over there, is your bob thirsty by the way?" And motions to pour the drink over my head.

• 17:28Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, this was, this was after the ugly thing?

• 17:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:34Drew Afualo?

  Damn, you really rattled his cage. He knows he's ugly.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  I'm fighting hoes in the street.

• 17:41Drew Afualo?

  Left and right. That is awful.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  That's terrible.

• 17:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, terrible vibes. No, terrible vibes.

• 17:47Speaker 01

  Smiling a normal Canadian.

• 17:51Speaker 01

  Like, is it that serious? You have to fight me?

• 17:53Drew Afualo?

  Uh, white gays.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  Now, I started it, but...

• 17:57Drew Afualo?

  Unintentional. Well, kind of intentionally, but unintentionally, because he was already kind of, the vibes were off.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  The vibes were off.

• 18:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and if you're like, I feel like you're a lot like me. With me, it's like, it's really not hard to get along with me. Like, I feel like I'm really good at getting along with a lot of people, so like, what are the odds that you just genuinely don't like me already and we just met?

• 18:18Speaker 01

  I'm not try- Listen, like, I'm try- Every- I'm trying to have everybody win.

• 18:23Drew Afualo?

  Right, same.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Like, I feel like, whatever, like, it's, it's not that serious.

• 18:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, hello?

• 18:28Speaker 01

  Like, I don't know, I completely agree. I'm, I'm easy to get along with.

• 18:33Drew Afualo?

  You are.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  Despite the story I just told. I'm actually very easy to get along with and a nice guy.

• 18:39Drew Afualo?

  I'm, uh, no, you are. You are very nice, I can confirm. You are, you are mean as fuck, but like me. But like me, which is like, used for good and hel- and funnies.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 18:50Drew Afualo?

  And honestly, like, I talk about you all the time, where I'm like, Bowman is one of the funniest people like I've ever met.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 18:57Drew Afualo?

  I, and I told you this when we were at that insane panel, but like, when we were at Elton John together, there was a joke that you made to me. And when I re- I can't even say it, I wish I could, but I can't. And when I recounted it to you at this dinner that we were at, you go, "I said that?" And then I go, "Right," you, and then you go, "I go, yes," and then you go, "Like in earnest?" And then I go, "No, girl, listen to it again." And I said it again in a different tone, and you're all, "Oh, yeah, yeah, no, okay, that's how it came."

• 19:27Speaker 01

  I said it, I said it, too. I said it. I, I love whenever we get together because I love making you laugh. Like, I just, there's something, it just feels good.

• 19:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's a good one.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  The laugh is earned with you.

• 19:41Drew Afualo?

  It's a genuine laugh, too.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:42Drew Afualo?

  And I think that's why, like, my fake laugh is, like, I call it my customer service laugh, but it sounds really like white. Like, my, my fake laugh.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  I think when you have, like, a real, like, recognizably, um, earned laugh.

• 19:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Your fake laugh is so hard to sell to people. Like, Tefi all the time will catch me every time I do a fake laugh. And it pisses me off. I'm like, not everything you say is funny.

• 20:11Drew Afualo?

  Oh, sorry.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  Like, god, they can't all be bangers.

• 20:15Drew Afualo?

  They can't all be tense.

• 20:16Speaker 01

  I'm trying my best.

• 20:20Drew Afualo?

  No, I, I really genuinely think you're one of the funniest people I've ever met.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 20:24Drew Afualo?

  Like, and I was, my sister and I were reenacting this when we were at the Royal Court Party together with, for Brittany.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  I actually can't remember what I said to you. That was so funny.

• 20:34Drew Afualo?

  Oh, at the thing? Well, I'll have Amanda bleep it, but you, you said, "Bleep, of course."

• 20:42Drew Afualo?

  Because I said, "Do you know [BLEEP]" and you said, "Bleep, of course." You said, "Of course I do." And when I said that to you, you went, "I said that?" And then when I repeated it, I said, "No, listen again." It wasn't like, "Bleep, of course. Of course I do."

• 20:59Speaker 01

  Maybe I am a bitch. Oh my, wait, maybe I am that girl.

• 21:04Drew Afualo?

  It's okay. I'm a bitch too, low key. It's fun though. Well, also I think shit like that is so funny to me. Like,

• 21:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:12Drew Afualo?

  when you're just being bantery witty. Also, I think that's why I get along with gay people really well.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:17Drew Afualo?

  Cause I fuck with that vibe.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Also, like, talking shit is fun.

• 21:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, let's.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  Like, let's. Like, that's what we're supposed to do.

• 21:25Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  Like, like, nothing's worse than somebody that's like, "Oh, I don't gossip."

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Have some class, open your mouth, and start gossiping.

• 21:36Drew Afualo?

  Well, guess what?

• 21:36Speaker 01

  Now.

• 21:37Drew Afualo?

  No friend in me. That's what you won't find.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 21:39Drew Afualo?

  We have no community here.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  I don't like you if you don't gossip with me now.

• 21:45Drew Afualo?

  I feel like that too, when I, when I meet other creators that I really vibe with and stuff. I was like comparing it once to like becoming blood brothers. Like, if they share something with me, I'll share something with you and let's key together. Let's talk about it.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:59Drew Afualo?

  It's like, it's, it's one of the few pleasures we have in this industry.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 22:03Drew Afualo?

  Like, of, like, the talking aspect of it.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  And we're all talking.

• 22:07Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  You gotta talk. I don't know. And also, like, we, I don't have coworkers. Like, I don't have, like, coworkers to like gather around and like talk shit with, like.

• 22:16Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  These are our coworkers we have to talk about, like these weirdos on the internet.

• 22:21Drew Afualo?

  That's why I said that we're literally like colleagues, all of us.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 22:24Drew Afualo?

  And we all like to talk shit. It's no fun when you don't talk shit.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 22:30Drew Afualo?

  We have to.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  We have to. We must.

• 22:33Drew Afualo?

  Have you been to anything cool since you've moved to LA? Or what do you like about living here?

• 22:38Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 22:39Drew Afualo?

  Anything?

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Well, I don't want to be that girl and talk about the weather. However.

• 22:44Drew Afualo?

  You can.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  It's December and I'm in a t-shirt and pants. That is so wonderful, especially because I'm seeing all my friends in the snow.

• 22:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I know.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  Oh my god, like, it's actually crazy. If you're from Toronto, you get it. It's like, we will have thirty days straight of overcast. It's like, nobody talks about it, but it's like London in that way, where it's like, it's just like gray.

• 23:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, all the time.

• 23:13Speaker 01

  Especially in the winter. And that can really, seasonal depression is so real.

• 23:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  And then especially like as a creative that has to like, take initiative and not procrastinate and feel inspired every day.

• 23:26Drew Afualo?

  Literally.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  I can't, I can't do it. And I feel so empowered here to just like get up and make things and like feel good.

• 23:36Drew Afualo?

  But it's true though too, like the weather has such a significant impact, especially when you work from home twenty-four seven. Like when you're always home and you like, you can like, you don't leave your house for multiple days on end. Like, it can turn into a black hole pretty quickly.

• 23:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:51Drew Afualo?

  If you combine terrible weather with it.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  Oh my god, it's horrible. So, I'm enjoying that aspect of it. It's like, it feels like it saved my life.

• 23:59Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, I'm so glad.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's been wonderful.

• 24:01Drew Afualo?

  What's been the, what was the trigger for you to finally move over here? Cause remember last time we talked to you, you said, well, maybe, uh, maybe I'll move over there.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  Well, uh, my relationship was, um, one thing. And also work. Like that was like, I think that like, all, all, work was always the thing, but then I also like had a boyfriend that yanked me over here.

• 24:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  But I, I want to. Work in this business.

• 24:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  And I wasn't really working much anymore in Toronto. Like, there's only so much you can do in Canada.

• 24:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Love Canada. We'll still, we'll still work in Canada. But, um, yeah, like, I, I feel like here I'm busy.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  Things to film, or there's a set day, like, there's always something going on to do here.

• 24:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  And there's a lot of like, like-minded people.

• 24:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  A lot of friends in my industry, which is something that I didn't have in Canada.

• 24:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. It makes things eas- easier in that way, too.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:59Drew Afualo?

  Especially having friends in the industry, like, like you were saying, like, we don't have coworkers, those are coworkers. That's so real.

• 25:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:06Drew Afualo?

  And it's like, it feels better. Like, you feel, you feel more like, validated in your experiences as like a creator and stuff, like, I always tell people, like, please make friends. Like, as soon as they blow up, I'm like, make other friends in the industry, like, be nice to people, like.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  I know.

• 25:21Drew Afualo?

  And that way you can, cause like, no one can relate to your problems anymore, once you start doing this. And you just sound like a prick when you're like, god, I'm so exhausted, I have to film like, three brand deals today.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  I know.

• 25:31Drew Afualo?

  Like, you just sound like the biggest asshole, cause everybody has real jobs and we have this fake one.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  Yes. But this fake job does have problems that are annoying.

• 25:40Drew Afualo?

  Girl, they have, it has the most soul-sucking awful problems I could have never predicted.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  They're stupid. It's stu- it's really stupid problems.

• 25:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they are.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  But it's nice to like, talk to people and, and like, I don't know, make friends that are also going through similar things.

• 25:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, seriously. It feels very validating, like, when you, especially when you want it, you're like, can I, I just wanna talk shit about something really quick, and then I'm gonna get off my, my high horse and we won't talk about it anymore.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 26:08Drew Afualo?

  Like, having group chats with your girls, so you could talk shit about stuff like that.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 26:12Drew Afualo?

  Essential.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  Oh my god. It's so essential. The friends have, that has been like, a really, really wonderful part of living here.

• 26:19Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I love that.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  Making friends is weird here.

• 26:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 26:23Speaker 01

  Making friends is weird, especially in those influencer spaces, like.

• 26:28Drew Afualo?

  People are weird. They're strange in there.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  When everybody in the space is told they're our main character.

• 26:35Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  It's like, so hard to just be normal. Let's all get together and be normal, challenge.

• 26:42Drew Afualo?

  I, I agree.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  And they don't know how to play the game.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  And there are very few rules.

• 26:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and it feels, it's honestly kind of ironic, because we went to like Elton John at the same, right? We've been in similar spaces like that, and then there's like influencer spaces, right?

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 26:58Drew Afualo?

  They're very different vibes.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Oh my god, so different.

• 27:01Drew Afualo?

  Like, I feel like when you're in that traditional celebrity realm, like, it's not as weird. It's strange in a way if you're alone, but like, it's not as weird as the influencer space. I feel like that's, the heaviness is different.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 27:13Drew Afualo?

  Because in the celebrity one, it feels like they don't want to be recorded, or like, no one's worried about phones or anything. So it's almost like they're taking off their masks and acting normal.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 27:21Drew Afualo?

  Whereas in influencer spaces, it's the opposite. It feels like they need to put something on to blend.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  It feels like they, everybody has something to prove.

• 27:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  And everybody has something to like, like, it's like, there's a lot of sizing you up.

• 27:33Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  Even not in influencer spaces, even like, in just like going to the bar, or like, you go to attendance, or something, and it's like, you are constantly, like, I'm not used to, as a Canadian,

• 27:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  being asked about my job all the time.

• 27:51Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  We don't talk about that.

• 27:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  You don't go out and somebody's like, "So what do you do?"

• 27:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  And then also having to like, give your logline of what you do every time you go out, is like, I'm not used to it.

• 28:04Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 28:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, I don't talk about my job ever back home, ever.

• 28:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  And so this is such a weird...

• 28:11Drew Afualo?

  Like, different space.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  Cultural change.

• 28:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, and especially when you're in, like, Hollywood, West Hollywood, anything, like, where everyone's kind of doing, for the most part, like, show business-y things, like, whether it's in front or behind the camera.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:25Drew Afualo?

  So it's like, everybody knows, like, they, it's almost like that's why they want to ask, because they want to know what's, what your deal is.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:32Drew Afualo?

  What's your deal? Especially if you get recognized in a place like that.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  And also like, normalize just asking, "What's your deal?"

• 28:39Drew Afualo?

  So what's your deal?

• 28:39Speaker 01

  Like, I'd rather they just say, "So what's your deal?" Like, that feels a little bit like, "Okay, let's get to the point."

• 28:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 28:47Speaker 01

  But instead, it's like...

• 28:49Drew Afualo?

  Pussyfooting around, that kind of thing.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Pussyfooting is a crazy thing to say, but yes. I've never heard that.

• 28:56Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 28:56Speaker 01

  No.

• 28:57Drew Afualo?

  Is that like an old man saying, "Maybe"? An American one, clearly.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  I'm trying to, I'm trying to pussyfoot. Let's go pussyfooting.

• 29:05Drew Afualo?

  Y'all ever pussyfoot? Let me know.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  Put your best pussyfoot forward. Right here, on the comment section.

• 29:12Drew Afualo?

  Put your pussyfoots in the air. Let me see them.

• 29:18Drew Afualo?

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• 30:01Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:02Drew Afualo?

  And there were a lot of speeches being given, but it was a very exclusive thing. So like, there wasn't many, like, people outside of that brand, about that industry, whatever, and like, some A-list talent. Like, that was my... And then, why the fuck was I there? Girl, I don't know. Right? So we're sitting there, and it was like, listening to them give speeches about things like how tough the world can be.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:26Drew Afualo?

  Mind you, you're hearing from people who have been famous for probably, at this point, 30 years. So like, when I hear shit like that...

• 30:32Speaker 01

  Well, they're on the come up.

• 30:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Hopefully you make it one day.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  Hopefully.

• 30:35Drew Afualo?

  I'm hoping for your big break. I really do think, I'm like, this is so strange, because I don't see the world that way. I think because I was...

• 30:45Speaker 01

  Like, what were they saying? Like, they were saying that, like, like, times are tough?

• 30:49Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  Or like, the industry is hard?

• 30:50Drew Afualo?

  It was like, both. But it was like, uh, you know, I know things are tough right now. Right now? They've been tough for a while.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  These last few weeks have been quite abnormally tough.

• 31:02Drew Afualo?

  Yes. Ever since November of last year. Like, it was one of those where I'm like, did you just tune in? But it feels like that disconnect, and I think that's a... Another thing why I'm like, I never entertain the conversation of like, influencers should not be mixing with, like, Hollywood, celebrity, whatever the fuck. I never entertain that conversation because I think it's stupid, but also I think it's elitist in a lot of ways, and I talk to... To like I answered that question on a carpet once where they were like, what do you think about celebrities that don't like influencers coming in their spaces anymore? And I was like, I think that I find it really ironic considering the entirety of Hollywood is built on the shoulders of nepotism. I think it's really ironic that you don't like that I'm here when I found a way here and you have a famous dad.

• 31:47Drew Afualo?

  I don't. So I kinda had to tell wiener jokes for a while till it hit. You know what I mean?

• 31:51Speaker 01

  Yes. This has been pissing me off.

• 31:54Drew Afualo?

  It's true.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  Because it's like, for example, the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show.

• 31:57Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  It's like you have people walking the fashion show that are not models.

• 32:03Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  And then everybody are not like typical with the, yes.

• 32:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Industry standard model.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  Yes. But then you have people outside of that.

• 32:14Drew Afualo?

  Realm entirely, yeah.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Just viewers.

• 32:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  That are policing who is allowed to be in that space.

• 32:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, who is a model.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  Why do you, there's a reason you think the way that you think. You are conditioned to believe in what a model is supposed to look like.

• 32:31Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 32:31Speaker 01

  How tall a model or how skinny a model is supposed to be.

• 32:34Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  Like, why, why can't this beautiful athlete walk in a fashion show?

• 32:40Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Like, it is so ridiculous. Or I saw that lady. I forget her name. But does it matter? She was, she's on some podcast talking about how like, oh, well, now the fashion scene is overrun by influencers.

• 32:52Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  My, but that, but it's like that with every industry. First of all, if you are sitting here being like, back in my day, we had to work for it. I feel bad for you.

• 33:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, cuz also back in your day, there was a lot of other things they didn't let happen either.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  There was a thing or two.

• 33:10Drew Afualo?

  There's quite a few things they were turning a blind eye to back in your day. So I think you have bigger problems to address. But yeah, I agree.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  Also, like, the idea that somebody turned on their camera and found a way to make something work for themselves, found a way to make, push their, themselves forward in their career.

• 33:27Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  In a world where like they did not have any other tool to do so.

• 33:31Drew Afualo?

  Hello.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  And then it's like, oh, we're gonna shame those people, gatekeep those spaces and tell them that they're not supposed to be there.

• 33:38Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  Like, it is so, it's, also, the idea that like, any influencer, any! Any influencer wants to stay doing what they're doing and does not want to progress

• 33:51Drew Afualo?

  Hello.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  in their career at all. Do you seriously think? You know what?

• 33:58Speaker 01

  Like, I love what I do.

• 34:00Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  I love what I do. I love that I get to make people laugh. I love that I get to be stupid on the internet.

• 34:08Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  But I want to do more.

• 34:10Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  And I hate the day that like, I book a role or something and then it's like, like I was in overcompensating.

• 34:17Drew Afualo?

  Yes!

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Thank god.

• 34:18Drew Afualo?

  Yes!

• 34:19Speaker 01

  But then it's like, you have comments of people being like, "Not an influencer." "Oh, they're casting influencers on TV shows."

• 34:26Drew Afualo?

  Or artists.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  Or sexy, talented, handsome

• 34:32Drew Afualo?

  Really nice people.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  men such as myself. Really nice, funny guys.

• 34:35Drew Afualo?

  Really nice, fun guys, yeah.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Like, whatever happened to that?

• 34:39Drew Afualo?

  No, and I

• 34:40Speaker 01

  I don't know, it's crazy.

• 34:40Drew Afualo?

  I genuinely agree with you too, because I've answered this question before and I'm like, "I think maybe you should give people like us more credit that maybe me telling wiener jokes was not what I wanted to do my entire life." Like, give me a little bit of fucking credit that maybe I had other dreams and aspirations, like Sometimes, like, I've said this about Brittany, I said it about Benito, I said it about Caleb, you too. It's literally like, sometimes, you're looking at influencers and sometimes you're looking at artists who happen to become influencers. Like, they just so happen to be funny.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 35:13Drew Afualo?

  Like, there are people like Brittany who has that beautiful voice, right? She just so happens to be funny, but she's actually an artist, and that's how like, Benito's the same way. And I feel like that about us too. It's like, maybe there are other things that I'm really good at and interested in, and maybe this is what hit for me?

• 35:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:28Drew Afualo?

  And I'm using it to open another door for myself. In fact,

• 35:31Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 35:32Drew Afualo?

  I would find that far more impressive than just having the right family and then being like, "I think I want to act," and then going and getting put in something. Like, I think, like, I'm not knocking your tea.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 35:42Drew Afualo?

  That's why I was like, I mean, like, I genuinely, do I think it's the coolest thing in the world? No, but like, use what you got, I don't give a fuck.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 35:49Drew Afualo?

  If you got it, do it, and then prove it, like, prove you're good at it, and I think it's fine.

• 35:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:53Drew Afualo?

  Who gives a shit? When nepo babies cry about being like, "I just don't want to be consider- First of all, there are real problems in the world, so let's talk about that.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  I would love to be a nepo baby.

• 36:02Drew Afualo?

  Well, also-

• 36:03Speaker 01

  Oh, my god!

• 36:04Drew Afualo?

  If I was a nepo baby, you bet your ass I'd be making a whole bunch of jokes about that shit.

• 36:08Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 36:09Drew Afualo?

  I'd be like, "And do you have any idea who my dad is?"

• 36:12Speaker 01

  My, my dad, there's a reason my last name is Quaker Oats.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  Like, and I'll be annoying about it.

• 36:20Drew Afualo?

  My father, the inventor of toaster strudel, will be hearing about this.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  Gosh.

• 36:25Drew Afualo?

  That's why I'm like, I don't think there's any harm in it, and I think that, like, even when I answer questions like that, I've said before, that I think they should just get comfy and scooch on over, bitch. That's what I think you should do, because that's what I would do.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:39Drew Afualo?

  And I think, and I've said to you, and I was like, and this is me getting super woke leftist, but the internet has given avenues to people like us who are disenfranchised already-

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:50Drew Afualo?

  And otherwise would never be looked at. Like, that's just a fact. So, like, I said that when I did something with Forbes, and I was saying, like, the reality of, for me getting signed and actually doing, like, bigger things outside of just TikTok videos, like, when I was just posting them at home for fun, is that, like, I didn't, nobody just, like, suddenly was like, "Actually, I think there's something there."

• 37:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:12Drew Afualo?

  One person believed in me for real, that, that had the power to sign me and everything, but past that, like, I just got too big to ignore. Like, that's what really happened. What actually happened was, like, they couldn't ignore me anymore-

• 37:23Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 37:24Drew Afualo?

  Because I was just getting that big, and that's like, that's something that doesn't come with, like, connection. It comes with, well, connection only to, like, fans.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:32Drew Afualo?

  And also, now, I'm sure you've seen, there's like this huge shift in, like, mainstream A-list talent now making videos to try and be relatable.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  Now, they're on TikTok.

• 37:42Drew Afualo?

  Them trying to vlog.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  It's-

• 37:45Drew Afualo?

  I love it! I love watching it. Them being like, this is, they're gonna feel so relatable to me.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:52Drew Afualo?

  Like, when they do get ready with me's-

• 37:54Speaker 01

  It's so-

• 37:55Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, "What 21-year-old intern posted this?"

• 37:57Speaker 01

  Literally.

• 37:58Drew Afualo?

  I do find it incredibly, like, frustrating to hear that conversation, but I'm glad that you and I are still chugging along.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  You, you have to.

• 38:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I'm like, "Well..."

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Also, it's like, I, I'm so sure of what I'm doing-

• 38:10Drew Afualo?

  Right, same.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  -how I feel about it, like, and, yeah, like, you just, it is what it, I, I'm good on me. I'm good on me.

• 38:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, don't you worry about me.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  Girl.

• 38:21Drew Afualo?

  I'm doing fine.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:22Drew Afualo?

  I agree, and I'm just gonna keep shoving my way into more rooms, to be honest. I think like-

• 38:27Speaker 01

  That's honestly the more fun way to get in the room.

• 38:29Drew Afualo?

  I'm saying-

• 38:30Speaker 01

  Shove somebody over.

• 38:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, sometimes when I'm in there, like, where was I at? I was at something, god, I forget. Oh, I was at a, like, women's, like, empowerment thing.

• 38:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:42Drew Afualo?

  I forget for who, but this girl told me, I think who they were, one of their main honorees was Kate Hudson. And she was, this girl came up to me, like, towards the end, and she was like, "Oh, my god, I'm such a huge fan." I was like, "Oh, thank you."

• 38:56Speaker 01

  Word.

• 38:57Drew Afualo?

  And she was like, "You are the coolest, like, oh, my god, I can't believe I met you, like, you're the best person I've met tonight." Mind you, there's, like, tons of A-list people-

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Beyonce's in the room.

• 39:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and I literally told her, I said, "Make sure you tell Kate Hudson that." Let her know that I'm coming for that spot.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  But that's the other thing, too, like, you go in those spaces and you learn that you have fan- I went to the, the first time I went to the Oscars.

• 39:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 39:18Speaker 01

  I'm there, walking around, and people came up to me to say, like, "I watch your videos." "We're at the Oscars."

• 39:25Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 39:26Speaker 01

  And you're, you're nomi- like, what?

• 39:29Drew Afualo?

  It's nuts.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 39:31Drew Afualo?

  It's crazy to think about, like, A-list talent especially, like, being online like that. Like, watching, I was like, "Girl, don't be doing that, don't be watching me."

• 39:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:39Drew Afualo?

  "Don't watch me do things."

• 39:40Speaker 01

  But everybody's online, like, that, like, everybody is online.

• 39:43Drew Afualo?

  I know, and that's why I'm like, and I don't wanna hear shit about, like, why are influencers there? Because you guys won't watch unless we're there.

• 39:51Speaker 01

  Literally.

• 39:51Drew Afualo?

  Like, they invite, like, do they make me wait tables when I get there? Yes, of course they do.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:58Drew Afualo?

  Do they give me and Bowman a vest to valet cars when we get there?

• 40:01Speaker 01

  I have valeted a few cars, yeah.

• 40:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 40:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:04Drew Afualo?

  But you're still tuning in because you're like, "Oh, the person I love online is there, too, and I'm gonna go watch them."

• 40:09Speaker 01

  Unfortunately, it's the future.

• 40:11Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  I, I only know about TV shows because I saw them online.

• 40:15Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  I saw the trailers online, I don't know what cable's up to these days. I have no idea what's going on. Like, I don't know.

• 40:24Drew Afualo?

  I, I need to ask you a question that's gonna feel pointed.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  And I'm prepared.

• 40:31Drew Afualo?

  Have you watched that new show, Heated Rivalry?

• 40:37Drew Afualo?

  It is not because you're gay.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  Is it because I'm gay?

• 40:40Drew Afualo?

  It's because you're Canadian.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 40:42Drew Afualo?

  And one of them is Canadian and a hockey player. Hockey's huge up there. You guys love hockey, you know that.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  True. I want you to know that I watched it last night.

• 40:52Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god. Wait, is it all out, or is it like, one at a time?

• 40:55Speaker 01

  There's two episodes out right now.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  Okay. How do I say this?

• 41:04Drew Afualo?

  I'm so intrigued, but I don't really care about hockey, so that's why I'm kinda like, no.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  Do you care about boys kissing?

• 41:12Drew Afualo?

  I guess.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Because if you care about boys kissing like I do, you should tune into this show.

• 41:19Drew Afualo?

  Boy, do I have the show for you. I saw someone say though, I haven't watched them play hockey once.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  I don't. Is there hockey in that show? I couldn't, I thought it was a soccer show. Like, I didn't know, I didn't know there was any sports involved.

• 41:33Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 41:35Speaker 01

  The Boys Kiss.

• 41:36Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  The Boys Kiss. And normal, first of all, normalize the boys kissing.

• 41:40Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  I watched Boots on Netflix.

• 41:43Drew Afualo?

  Okay. My sister, my sister watched it, she said she loved it.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  It was cute. It was cute. I was like, when do the boys kiss?

• 41:50Drew Afualo?

  Hey, get to the kissing.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  Oh, you wanna talk about get to the kissing? They said, alright, start kissing now!

• 42:00Drew Afualo?

  And don't you dare stop.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  It actually is like, thank god I watched it alone.

• 42:07Drew Afualo?

  I know you blushing when I brought it up.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  I, you saw that, right? Like, I was like, oh my god!

• 42:15Drew Afualo?

  I heard it was good.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Oh, it was more than good.

• 42:17Drew Afualo?

  It was good, good in that sense and good in the literal sense too.

• 42:21Speaker 01

  I felt things, watching that show, that I, I haven't felt in a long time, and I think that's really beautiful.

• 42:29Drew Afualo?

  I think that's a beautiful thing. I love a good smutty book turned into a TV show.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 42:34Drew Afualo?

  I'm loving it. And when you put it on things like HBO so you can see everything, I'm loving it. Period.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  And we see everything. And thank god for that, thank god for Crave. You know who else has a show on Crave?

• 42:45Drew Afualo?

  You do!

• 42:50Drew Afualo?

  See that plug?

• 42:51Speaker 01

  But there's no boys kissing in my show.

• 42:53Drew Afualo?

  Damn. You gotta get back in the studio then, start writing again.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  I, well, let's make it, let's get it poppin'.

• 42:59Drew Afualo?

  Let's do it.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  I, now I, thank God for Heated Rivalry, because now I know what to put in a good TV show.

• 43:08Drew Afualo?

  You want a captivated audience?

• 43:10Speaker 01

  Gay sex.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  Lovemaking between two hot jocks.

• 43:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, two hockey players.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  I couldn't believe what I was witnessing with my own two eyes. I was, I'm shocked they put it on television. And, yeah, I feel bad to-

• 43:26Drew Afualo?

  What a beautiful thing.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  Anybody that watched that show with their friends or their family.

• 43:30Drew Afualo?

  Really? Was it that intense? It's crazy town.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  Drew.

• 43:34Drew Afualo?

  I know. I've had one of my friends like texting me about it and he was like, "Girl, it's just, it's crazy."

• 43:40Speaker 01

  The sound effects they use are crazy. It is, and you know what? The thing also that is, um, what I thought is beautiful about it is that they get it right. Like, they, they really get the tension right when you're like-

• 43:57Drew Afualo?

  That's my favorite part of like, romance anything, is the tension.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 44:01Drew Afualo?

  Because once you're doing it, you're doing it.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 44:03Drew Afualo?

  But the tension, the buildup is like literal and metaphorical foreplay. I think it's better.

• 44:07Speaker 01

  Especially in that first episode, there's like, there's really, I don't want to spoil it, but the boys kiss.

• 44:12Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  And especially with between gay men, like when you see each other in public spaces or at the bar, or like wherever. It's like, there's always a vibe of like, "Are you gay?"

• 44:24Drew Afualo?

  Oh, tea.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  "Are you in, are you, do you like what I like?"

• 44:27Drew Afualo?

  Temp gauging.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  And so, they get that right in that first episode and that like builds the tension a little bit.

• 44:32Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  Really well done. If you want to pop a stiffy, watch Heated Rivalry on Crave.

• 44:42Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  And then, if you want to pop another one, watch Made for TV, starring Bowman Martinez Reid, on Crave.

• 44:50Drew Afualo?

  Charge up that rose toy and go to work.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  Yup.

• 44:54Drew Afualo?

  Any other shows you're loving lately?

• 44:56Speaker 01

  The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

• 44:58Drew Afualo?

  Oh, tea. Is there any season or something?

• 45:01Speaker 01

  Drew.

• 45:02Drew Afualo?

  I've never watched Housewives.

• 45:06Speaker 00

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• 45:39Drew Afualo?

  Like, literally ever?

• 45:41Speaker 01

  It was nice talking to you.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  This is the best show on TV.

• 45:45Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 45:46Speaker 01

  And I'm gonna tell you right now, all of my friends, I've, I, I feel like I'm like Mormon or something. I've converted everybody.

• 45:53Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  I'm going door to door to all my friends and explaining them about The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and why they should watch it.

• 46:00Drew Afualo?

  Wait, who did I talk to that said you put them on? Was it Andrew Moscarella? Or Eric? Did you put Eric on? Or was Eric already on?

• 46:07Speaker 01

  Eric was already on.

• 46:07Drew Afualo?

  No, no, there was someone that said Bowman literally told me, "Watch this season through this season."

• 46:11Speaker 01

  It might have been Andrew.

• 46:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it was probably Andrew.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  Probably was Andrew. If you, I told Eden, my best friend Eden, "Watch The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City." And she said, "No." And then for the next three years, I told her over and over and over again. She said, "No, I'm not doing it." She is hooked. She is, she, she snapchatted me the other day to say that she went to watch the new Stranger Things season, but she couldn't because she needed to get through Salt Lake City. It is so good. It is so goo- If you wanna get into The Housewives, it's a great place to start.

• 46:48Drew Afualo?

  Okay, T.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  It's newer-

• 46:49Drew Afualo?

  That is what Andrew told me, I think, because he was telling me, I didn't even know where to start, and Roman told me to start with Salt Lake City.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  It is so, so good.

• 46:57Drew Afualo?

  I was like, I had my friend Kat Cohen on recently, and she loves reality TV, loves The Housewives. But she was telling me, she was like, "I'm a recent convert to The Housewives." Like, she said like a couple of years ago is when she started.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  Convert is crazy.

• 47:10Drew Afualo?

  And she goes, "Have you ever, uh, watched it?" And I go, "No." She goes, "Oh, you're the luckiest girl in the world." You can watch it for the first time?

• 47:18Speaker 01

  God, I'm jealous. No, I am so jealous, like, even of Eden. I was like,

• 47:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:24Speaker 01

  I wish she got to like a huge climax, like a huge climax episode. And I was like, I wish I could watch this for the first time all over again. Like, I am jealous, I have envy.

• 47:34Drew Afualo?

  Real television.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  Green with envy. Oh my god. So that's what I'm watching.

• 47:39Drew Afualo?

  See, my sister loves Serial Lives Mormon Wives. Do you watch that one?

• 47:42Speaker 01

  Can't get into it.

• 47:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  I think that I'm a Bravo girl, and Bravo has a really specific way of making reality TV.

• 47:49Drew Afualo?

  That's true, yeah.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  And then when I try to watch like Hulu or like the Netflix reality shows, I just can't.

• 47:56Drew Afualo?

  Not hitting the same.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  It's like, then I go, oh yeah, reality TV's fake.

• 48:00Drew Afualo?

  Right, it's not scratching the itch.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  It's not scratching the itch.

• 48:03Drew Afualo?

  My cousin Adam, who does my hair and makeup, he actually did the hair and makeup for one of the Salt Lake City wives. Jason, do you remember the housewife that Adam did her hair and makeup? Jen Shaw. Jen Shaw.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  Jen Shaw?

• 48:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, so yeah, the one, which is funny because every time we say that, everyone's like, no fuck.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  And you have no idea why?

• 48:22Drew Afualo?

  No. Well, I do kind of. I am, yeah, she's half Tongan, so that's how she found Adam, my cousin, yeah.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  Gag.

• 48:30Drew Afualo?

  So he was with her right before all that shit happened.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 48:34Drew Afualo?

  And like, so he's like, also, she's the nicest.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  Depends who you ask, apparently.

• 48:40Drew Afualo?

  He's like, she's really nice. She was always nice to me. Like, I was like, oh, see. But every time I tell people who love Bravo that, they're like, no fucking way.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  That's like saying, oh, well, you, it's like, imagine I just say, oh yeah, my friend just did Michael Jackson's makeup the day before he died. Yeah, I'm gonna gag. Like, I'm gonna start jonesing. Like, that's gonna gag me. There are some things in life that like, you deserve like a badge.

• 49:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  Or like, I saw on TikTok, like, somebody said like, I'm rich because I saw Billie Eilish singing whatever song live.

• 49:16Drew Afualo?

  Oh, right, right, right.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  And it's like, if I were the makeup artist, I would be like, I am rich because I got to do Jen Shaw's makeup.

• 49:26Drew Afualo?

  I know he was, he was her main makeup, hair and makeup artist for like, a while.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 49:32Drew Afualo?

  All while she was going through the, the Housewives. The trial too, yeah.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 49:37Drew Afualo?

  It was crazy. And he was like, I know, sometimes people like freak out when I tell them that, but like, but he did a lot of Housewives, but like, that was like his, his big one.

• 49:44Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 49:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. It's crazy.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Well, shout out to him. That's crazy.

• 49:51Drew Afualo?

  Imagine I said I would, did Michael Jackson's make-

• 49:55Speaker 01

  But eh eh, but, somebody, somebody somewhere says that. And everybody gags.

• 50:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  And they deserve a medal for that.

• 50:03Drew Afualo?

  Every single time.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:04Drew Afualo?

  Any other shows you're gagged over, movies?

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Oh my god, I saw Eternity.

• 50:09Drew Afualo?

  How was it?

• 50:10Speaker 01

  The other d- what was that?

• 50:11Drew Afualo?

  Ghost.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  James?

• 50:13Drew Afualo?

  What was that? James.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  Okay, we mentioned Michael Jackson and that fell off.

• 50:20Drew Afualo?

  He's back. Don't say another bad word.

• 50:22Speaker 01

  Everybody, run!

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Okay, um, I saw Eternity.

• 50:28Drew Afualo?

  How was it?

• 50:29Speaker 01

  The 824 movie?

• 50:30Drew Afualo?

  Was it good?

• 50:31Speaker 01

  Oh my god, it was so good.

• 50:32Drew Afualo?

  I thought so. I was excited to, to see it.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  It is so good. It's like, bring back rom-coms.

• 50:38Drew Afualo?

  Yes!

• 50:39Speaker 01

  But they do it in this like, absurdist way, that is just so entertaining.

• 50:44Drew Afualo?

  Love!

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Oh my god, wonderful movie.

• 50:47Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  I haven't seen Wicked yet, I'm avoiding it.

• 50:49Drew Afualo?

  Why?

• 50:50Speaker 01

  I hear, it's not, that, good.

• 50:56Drew Afualo?

  That's another ghost.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  And Michael Jackson agrees.

• 51:00Drew Afualo?

  I loved it.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Really?

• 51:01Drew Afualo?

  I enjoyed it, yeah.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 51:03Drew Afualo?

  Well, I went to the premiere, but I, I enjoyed it.

• 51:05Speaker 01

  Tea.

• 51:05Drew Afualo?

  And I, and I loved them, and I thought they did, I thought they did a good job with what they had.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 51:10Drew Afualo?

  I will say though, the, As Long As Your Mind scene.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:14Drew Afualo?

  I've been saying, it was, it was a lot more sexy than I thought. Like, for the TV.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 51:19Drew Afualo?

  I was like, interesting, for the PG rating.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 51:22Drew Afualo?

  But I do remember when she was walking, I said, "Come on, Anthropology cardigan."

• 51:28Drew Afualo?

  Me workshopping bits during the movie while it's going.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  I'm easy to please, but somebody told me it's bad. Like, I feel like if I went, I'd probably gag.

• 51:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  Why wouldn't I gag?

• 51:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  But I also don't want to cry. Did you cry?

• 51:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  I cried at the first movie.

• 51:44Drew Afualo?

  Oh.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  And that's only part one.

• 51:46Drew Afualo?

  Girl, that, that Oz dust ballroom scene, I for real thought I was gonna have to be escorted off the premises.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 51:52Drew Afualo?

  I was like, I'm gonna need to be sedated pretty quickly. Unless someone... Also, when I, Taffy was at that premiere too, and I saw her and hung out with her. She kept calling her El Faba. So like every time, every time I like see the name, I'm like, El Faba, because that's how she goes.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  El Faba is crazy. El Faba.

• 52:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, El Faba. And then at the end, after we left, she had texted me and my sister and she was like, "Just want to tell you guys that I would dance with you guys too if you put your ugly little hat on the ground." I also would dance with you guys, unprovoked. I wouldn't say anything to her about that.

• 52:30Drew Afualo?

  Why would I be, why would I have the ugly hat?

• 52:33Speaker 01

  Now why am I in it?

• 52:34Drew Afualo?

  You wear that. What, 50? What I do?

• 52:37Speaker 01

  She gagged you.

• 52:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 52:39Speaker 01

  And she gagged you.

• 52:40Drew Afualo?

  When you inevitably wear an ugly hat somewhere, I'll dance with you.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:43Drew Afualo?

  Which is very sweet of her.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  That's really sweet. Shout out to Taffy.

• 52:46Drew Afualo?

  Shout out. Shouts out to Taffy. She talks about you to me all the time, too.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  As she should.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  As she should.

• 52:53Drew Afualo?

  You're the one who got away from Taffy. You're the one that got away.

• 52:56Speaker 01

  She's like a, uh, I, okay, I don't mean this the wrong, Taffy. Taffy, I don't mean this in the wrong way, but she's like a car salesman.

• 53:08Drew Afualo?

  That's so true.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  She could sell anything.

• 53:10Drew Afualo?

  You know what's crazy?

• 53:12Speaker 01

  She could sell, what is it, water to a rat? I don't know what the saying is, but she could sell anything. I hope she's talking about me in rooms that I'm not in yet.

• 53:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, right. She, I've joke, made this joke before, but like... Who I think like, people who consume our content online, what they think I'm like in real life.

• 53:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:33Drew Afualo?

  Is like Tiffy in real life. What she, what she comes off of.

• 53:38Speaker 01

  T.

• 53:38Drew Afualo?

  And what she comes off like on the internet is actually what I'm like, which in real life, right? Like a lot more chill.

• 53:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:46Drew Afualo?

  It's so true though, cause like she is like my, cause she came to spend Christmas with my family last year. And she just came to spend Christmas with us.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  That's, that's an A24 movie. I, that's a movie I wanna watch.

• 54:00Drew Afualo?

  Tiffy with my family.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  Tiffy with my family.

• 54:03Drew Afualo?

  It's true. And she like, uh, it was so funny, cause she could talk to anyone about anything for hours.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:10Drew Afualo?

  And then my man was like, she's like a little like Tasmanian devil. Like she just spins up in this cyclone and everyone gets swept up in with her. It's the best though.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  I, I've never met anybody, I've never met anybody like that.

• 54:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  That can just talk to anybody and make a friend out of them. We went to Scotland together.

• 54:27Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 54:28Speaker 01

  And, and she would, like we, we went to like a castle and we had a tour guide.

• 54:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  And she's buddy buddy with the tour guide, like shooting the shit with this old elderly Scottish lady. I'm like, Tiffy, leave this poor lady alone. But like, but the lady loves her, like.

• 54:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  It's just so easy to fall in love with her.

• 54:48Drew Afualo?

  I know, so easy. I was telling, and she, when she jokes about you with me, she's like, ugh, he like, he like kinda hates me and like, that's like what I love. Like, I think that's why I'm chasing him so bad. Cause like, like, I mean, like, he.

• 54:59Speaker 01

  I love her.

• 55:00Drew Afualo?

  She's like, that's how men, no, I know. She's like, that's how men used to, you know, treat me when we would date. So I think that's why I'm like so attracted to him.

• 55:08Speaker 01

  Well, Tiffy, Tiffy.

• 55:10Drew Afualo?

  She's like, I think that's why I love it. I'm, I'm just chasing it, you know? Like the high of moment approval.

• 55:14Speaker 01

  Tiffy, my DMs are open.

• 55:17Drew Afualo?

  Throuple incoming. I'm gonna start a rumor about you and Tuffy. But I do have some fun facts about you. Speaking of rumors.

• 55:25Speaker 01

  Okay, I'll be the judge of that.

• 55:27Drew Afualo?

  Okay, whether or not they're fun. Okay. It says, "In high school, you created a spoof reality series for YouTube called Read It and Weep" "that you continued into college."

• 55:36Speaker 01

  And that is a fun fact.

• 55:38Drew Afualo?

  That is a fun fact.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  That is a fun fact. Yeah, I, I, um, in high school, I wanted to have my own TV show. That was my dream. And then my brother, one day, was just like, "Oh, well, why don't you just make your own TV show?" And I went, "Oh." And I was obsessed with The Housewives.

• 55:52Drew Afualo?

  Kinda like, like, Housewives are like The Amanda Show, like, like.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  Like The Housewives. It's like a reality show about me and my life. At the time, and it was like me and my friends, and we had storylines. And there was four seasons of this. And nobody watched. Nobody watched, and that's okay. I think there's like two episodes up on my YouTube called Read It and Weep.

• 56:16Drew Afualo?

  Love that. Look at you.

• 56:18Speaker 01

  Really, really stupid.

• 56:19Drew Afualo?

  I love four seasons.

• 56:21Speaker 01

  Four seasons of episodes.

• 56:23Drew Afualo?

  We have to do it for the fans.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  But you know what? I, I look back on that so fondly because that was just me and my friends. And my friends just like believing in me and my dreams of like.

• 56:32Drew Afualo?

  That's so sweet.

• 56:33Speaker 01

  Like, that is, that is, yeah.

• 56:35Drew Afualo?

  I love that.

• 56:36Speaker 01

  I loved doing that.

• 56:37Drew Afualo?

  When, uh, my sister and I were young, we had, um, I, we used to like, um, like do shit like that too, like, "Oh, let's pretend, whatever." And my mom had this like tape recorder that she used to take to record lectures in college, cuz she's a hundred years old.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 56:52Drew Afualo?

  And so, when I, I borrowed the tape recorder, and I was like, "Can we use this?" And she's like, "Yeah." Cuz we had never had, we didn't have cell phones or anything like that. So we literally would record ourselves doing a radio show. And so, we would be like two radio, like, I would be the host of the radio show. And she was always my guest, my celebrity guest, which is crazy how this has worked out, like, "That's weird, my, my brain is so powerful." But like, we would like do this, and we had a theme song and everything, and we would record as long as it would let us on this little tape.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  My god.

• 57:23Drew Afualo?

  And every time, she would be a different celebrity, and I'd be like, "Please, welcome to my show." And I would say like, "Miley Cyrus," or whatever.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 57:30Drew Afualo?

  Isn't that so weird? And so then, I would ask, I would invite her, and then I would start asking her questions. And for some reason, every episode ended the same way, which was, "I would ask her one too many questions, she'd get mad, and then she would beat me up." And that was like the end of the show.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  Like she was actually mad?

• 57:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, no, yeah, like she'd be like, "Don't say that to me," and then she would just pretend to beat me up.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 57:55Drew Afualo?

  And then so we'd be like recording it.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  That was the running gag to end each episode.

• 57:58Drew Afualo?

  And so then, and we only had one tape.

• 58:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:00Drew Afualo?

  So then we would take, we would finish, and then we would play it back, and it would be like 20 minutes, and we'd be laughing our asses off.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  That is so cute.

• 58:10Drew Afualo?

  Seconds after we finished, by the way. We'd finish listening to the recording, put it back in, like, clear it, and then start again.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  You delete it?

• 58:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and then start again, because we only had the one.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  That actually makes it even better. Like you did all that to just do it again.

• 58:24Drew Afualo?

  For the love of the game. Purely the love of the game. And we did, and we would start again, and then I would introduce her again, she'd be a different guest, and then she would beat me up, like that was the end.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  That is so funny.

• 58:38Drew Afualo?

  And we would, and I'd laugh, and we'd be like, "God, we're the funniest people in the world," start it over.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  I used to do something similar with my sister. We had, we had a, somebody gave us a camcorder. And we would make sketches, like we would have, we would make sketches, and then we would like debut it for our family. Like one of our, and it was always her, she was always the star, and I was always behind the camera.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  But like, we had so many bits, like one of our bits was a cooking, like a chef, a TV chef, and her name was Fritzy Frustration.

• 59:12Drew Afualo?

  Fritzy Frustration?

• 59:14Speaker 01

  And she would, just had anger management issues.

• 59:16Drew Afualo?

  See, what was that?

• 59:17Speaker 01

  I don't, that came from our brains at the time, and she would try to cook, but she would get so angry at everything, and she could never cook, or then we'd have commercials.

• 59:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  And then, or like, we'd have like different channels, like one of our channels was called The Clock Channel. I definitely stole this from some TV show, but it was like The Clock Channel, and it was just a video of The Clock, and it was her voice going, "Next on The Clock Channel, 5:03."

• 59:49Speaker 01

  Where did I get that?

• 59:50Drew Afualo?

  That feels like something you definitely made up. I don't know. I don't know if you sold that money, but...

• 59:56Speaker 01

  There was one, there was one, it was a commercial for a product that we thought somebody needed.

• 1:00:01Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  And it was called the scent, the scent blower, I think? Or no, so, no, no, no, it was the Bend a Sniffer, which was a straw that you would hold to your nose so that you could smell flowers. And then, i-if you call now, you can get the scent blower. And then the next shot was her with the, with the Bend a Sniffer, the straw to her nose, and me with a leaf blower.

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  Like, blowing the scent into her nose. How did we think of that?

• 1:00:34Drew Afualo?

  That's why I said we're so creative.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 1:00:35Drew Afualo?

  When we're young.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  Bring back, bring back being a kid.

• 1:00:38Drew Afualo?

  That's what I'm saying. Like, it's beautiful. I, I was joking about this with my friend the other day. I was telling her, like, I am very grateful, because I feel like, I, what year were you born?

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  98.

• 1:00:48Drew Afualo?

  Okay, I was 95. I think mine is like, one of the last years with no phones.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:54Drew Afualo?

  And no real internet. Like, when I was a freshman in high school, that was like 2009, that was like YouTube had just barely started, and like MySpace was still a thing.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:01:04Drew Afualo?

  So like, I was, I'm really glad that I grew up in that era where like, we would record each other. Like, Andrew and, and Joe, like, from Good Children, obviously, like, they have so many videos. I wish we had more videos, but like, I'm 100 years old compared to you guys, so like, we don't have a lot of footage of it, but like, shit like that was like, I used to think, I was like, someone needs to put this on television.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:27Drew Afualo?

  Like, I'd be like, boy, do I have the opportunity of a lifetime for you.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  It's such a, I, I feel similarly.

• 1:01:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  Like, it's such a privilege to be able to look back and not have, like, memories of technology.

• 1:01:39Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  For like, so many of, like, my developing years.

• 1:01:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  And also, I feel like I was the age that like, maybe you feel similarly, like, we, I grew up with social media.

• 1:01:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  Like, Instagram wasn't a thing until like, grade eight for me.

• 1:01:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, same.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  And then, in high school, it was like, all about Instagram. And then

• 1:01:57Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Like it just felt like it was steps rather than just like all of it.

• 1:02:01Drew Afualo?

  It existed.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  Imagine?

• 1:02:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I and honestly, thank fucking god because I'm so glad no one gave me an iPhone when I was that old. Oh bitch, the amount of shit I'd have on the internet.

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  We went outside to play.

• 1:02:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:14Speaker 01

  Socialize.

• 1:02:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and we made, we made films, film's at home.

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  Oh, we made a film or two. Yup, yup, yup.

• 1:02:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I used to love like when we would do skits and stuff like that, like just to make each other laugh like it was like.

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  That's all it was.

• 1:02:30Drew Afualo?

  That's the funniest thing.

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  We were just trying to make each other laugh.

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  And mission accomplished, like we were laughing.

• 1:02:37Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, gosh, you guys just don't get it.

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:40Drew Afualo?

  Do you remember flip cameras? Did you guys have those in Canada?

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  What's a flip camera?

• 1:02:43Drew Afualo?

  It was like.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  Video, like the small compact ones?

• 1:02:46Drew Afualo?

  Okay, I think maybe it was an American thing, but it's like it was literally just a camera, but it was like an iPhone like this. But it just had one lens and then you just one big button that said record and that was it.

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  I think I had, I, oh my god!

• 1:02:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, do you remember those?

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  Was it red?

• 1:02:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, well, there was. You had red?

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  I think I had a red one.

• 1:03:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they, mine was black. We had like a black one.

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  With like a little small screen you could see what you were recording?

• 1:03:07Drew Afualo?

  The tiniest little screen.

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  Oh, I, I loved my.

• 1:03:10Drew Afualo?

  And then you could pop out the USB out of it and then plug it into the computer to like upload your shit.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:03:16Drew Afualo?

  And we would record us like lip syncing three and a half minutes of a song. And then we would be going in like lip syncing all the lyrics and then pretending to beat each other up while we're doing it.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  There's a lot of fighting going on.

• 1:03:30Drew Afualo?

  There's a lot of beating up, I don't.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  There's a lot, okay.

• 1:03:32Drew Afualo?

  I was like.

• 1:03:33Speaker 01

  It's giving Fritzy frustration.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  Like.

• 1:03:36Drew Afualo?

  Tom and Jerry kind of vibe, you know what I mean?

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:40Drew Afualo?

  Mallets over the head like.

• 1:03:43Drew Afualo?

  It was like so, like even when I talk about the Jonas Brother video that I made when I was twelve, I think.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:50Drew Afualo?

  Um, we made that in our room and I remember we had like these tiny little computers. My sister edited it for us to submit to win a contest. Turns out Jason doesn't, is stupid and doesn't know tri-state area means the east coast.

• 1:04:03Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:04:03Drew Afualo?

  Cause she was like, they're never gonna consider us. And we like. We did a whole skit too, like of why we felt like we were the biggest fans. And there's a part in there because I was vulnerable and I showed part of this video on TikTok. When I did a SeatGeek ad because SeatGeek gave me tickets to go see the Jonas Brothers on Broadway. So like, I was like, have to put this in my ad. So I put that little YouTube clip in there. No one can ever find it, it's hidden. But like, I put it in there and at the very end, because our entire room was Jonas Brother posters. Like, three out of the four walls, ceiling to floor, Jonas Brother posters.

• 1:04:37Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:04:38Drew Afualo?

  Which was crazy and insane.

• 1:04:39Speaker 01

  That is crazy.

• 1:04:40Drew Afualo?

  And horrifying when you think about it, really. And we were in that room when we were filming the skit.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:46Drew Afualo?

  And at the very end, Jason put in, she goes, "I put in these edits at the end. And let me know what you think." And she literally just took pictures with her laptop, like, holding her laptop like this, like, took pictures of each wall. Like, like, each wall.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  Of your room.

• 1:05:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, just so that, so at the very end of the video, it's like, pic still photos of the room. But she put on there, because she put graphics on there, like, letters. And she put, "Welcome," I think it was, "Welcome to the," on the next one. And the last one said, "Jonas Sphere."

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:05:19Drew Afualo?

  So, all, yeah, I know, it's awful, yeah, I know. And like, I remember when she put it in at the end, I was literally like, "That is the coolest editing I've ever seen."

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  It didn't take much back in the day.

• 1:05:32Drew Afualo?

  No, it didn't.

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  It really didn't.

• 1:05:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, by the way, the, the quality is so low on that laptop camera that the contrast is so high, everything's blown out. You can barely see anything, but you can see very clearly, "Welcome to the Jonas Sphere."

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  I need to see this.

• 1:05:45Drew Afualo?

  And then when I, I will show it to you. And when I met the Jonas Brothers, um, I had people commenting on my thing going, "Did you invite them to the Jonas Sphere?"

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  Jonas Sphere.

• 1:05:53Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, "Literally shut the fuck up."

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  Oh, that's good.

• 1:05:56Drew Afualo?

  See what happens when I'm vulnerable online. And they're like, "Where can I see that video?" And I was like, "Nowhere." I put it in an ad.

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  Oh, not the Jonas Sphere.

• 1:06:05Drew Afualo?

  The Jonas Sphere.

• 1:06:06Speaker 01

  Honestly, I'm trying to go to the Jonas.

• 1:06:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, someone said, "Lost my virginity in the Jonas Sphere." I'm gonna kill you.

• 1:06:13Drew Afualo?

  Don't you dare make jokes about that. That's not funny.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  That gagged you. They gagged you with that.

• 1:06:18Drew Afualo?

  Okay, more fun facts. Uh, it says, "The first episode of your series Read It and Weep started because Bowman invited his friends over for your 18th birthday, recorded everything, and then started fights with your friends for the cameras."

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:06:31Drew Afualo?

  Was, those were all premeditated storylines? Or did you just surprise them with improv?

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  Well, okay, all of my friends were, uh, we went to a performing arts high school, so we were all in drama.

• 1:06:42Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:42Speaker 01

  And we were all drama majors, minus my friend Eden. Which is surprising.

• 1:06:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  But we would just do that. I think we had a bit. This is how it started. We had a running bit where we would be talking to each other, like, in the caf.

• 1:06:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  And then we would turn and act like we were doing a confessional about what just happened between us. And so then we just, like, did the bit for cameras. Like, that's like what it was, basically.

• 1:07:10Drew Afualo?

  That's really funny.

• 1:07:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:12Drew Afualo?

  That's fucking funny.

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  God, I love my friends so much.

• 1:07:16Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that's so sweet.

• 1:07:17Speaker 01

  Even, like, you mentioning that, it just is such a strong reminder that I have just the most wonderful friends around me.

• 1:07:24Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that's so beautiful. I love that.

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  That humor all my stupid ass ideas.

• 1:07:28Drew Afualo?

  Because they knew. That's why they, they knew, they knew you were a star. Like, you could sense. Ah, they knew!

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  And they were right!

• 1:07:38Drew Afualo?

  And, oh my god, you're right!

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  And I'm not friends with any of them anymore.

• 1:07:41Drew Afualo?

  And of course, they, they aren't famous, so I did leave them behind.

• 1:07:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're gone now.

• 1:07:46Drew Afualo?

  Good riddance.

• 1:07:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:48Drew Afualo?

  Okay, the next one says, "You played Rapunzel's prince in Toronto Metropolitan Theater Company's production of Into the Woods."

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  Yes, I did.

• 1:07:57Drew Afualo?

  I would gag to see you in Into the Woods.

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was, that was, that was one of the good ones. I love musical theater. That is something that people don't really know.

• 1:08:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  Well, okay, uh, back to my performing arts high school.

• 1:08:11Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:08:12Speaker 01

  Shout out Cothra Park. Cothra Park is, um, it's a performance arts high school, as I just mentioned.

• 1:08:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  But it's like, like, top notch. We would invest thousands of dollars into our shows at the time. So our, our musicals are-

• 1:08:30Drew Afualo?

  That's so cool.

• 1:08:31Speaker 01

  We would have a fall musical and a spring play every year. And it was serious. I could not tell you, to this day, if we have a sports team on the premises. If we have a hockey team, I, no idea.

• 1:08:45Drew Afualo?

  No clue.

• 1:08:45Speaker 01

  But if you were the lead in a musical, you were the coolest kid in school.

• 1:08:50Drew Afualo?

  That's tea.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  In grade 12, I was seaweed and hairspray.

• 1:08:53Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, what a cool role.

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  I had a lot of fun doing that, obviously. But the grade nines were making fan pages about us. About like, the ca- like, they made one about me, they made one about my friend Taryn who played Link. Like, it was serious. Anyway, then in university-

• 1:09:12Drew Afualo?

  What a dream for theater geeks, honestly.

• 1:09:14Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:09:15Drew Afualo?

  Theater nerds, a dream scenario.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:17Drew Afualo?

  Love that.

• 1:09:18Speaker 01

  But then in university, I did, uh, I was in like, the musical theater club.

• 1:09:23Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  Um, and we put on a number of shows, and that was one of them. Fun show.

• 1:09:27Drew Afualo?

  Tea.

• 1:09:28Speaker 01

  Really, it's a, it's a-

• 1:09:29Drew Afualo?

  And you got a voice on you, girl. Clearly.

• 1:09:33Speaker 01

  I think we all sing.

• 1:09:38Drew Afualo?

  I think that's, oh my god, I would love to watch you. What's the so- what's the main song you sing?

• 1:09:43Speaker 01

  Agony.

• 1:09:43Drew Afualo?

  Agony, that's what it is. I kept saying tragedy in my head, no, agony.

• 1:09:46Speaker 01

  Agony.

• 1:09:47Drew Afualo?

  That's a gr- I would love to hear you sing agony, yeah, okay.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  I could not tell you how that's, it's one of those, you sang that, I totally even forgot that I did that.

• 1:09:56Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  Also, Sondheim musicals are the weirdest musicals.

• 1:10:01Drew Afualo?

  They are very strange.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  Like, make sense challenge.

• 1:10:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they're very strange.

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  It's like math.

• 1:10:07Drew Afualo?

  I had to explain Into the Woods, because when, the movie Into the Woods, when they made it into a movie, um, I went to go see it in theaters because I love that musical.

• 1:10:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:14Drew Afualo?

  And I like, took my sister, and then she was like- Do they sing the whole time? And I was like, yeah, it's a Sondheim. And she was like, oh. Oh, okay. I made her watch Les Mis with me too.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  See, I was just gonna say, I, I actually don't vibe with those musicals. Like, I need a break. Like, I let us-

• 1:10:34Drew Afualo?

  Let me, let me explain. I love the music from a lot of them from Les Mis and a lot of them from Into the Woods. Is it my favorite musical? No.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:10:42Drew Afualo?

  One of my favorite musicals of all time, like Broadway, is Legally Blonde. That one's badass. Love that one.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  That song, um, what's it called? I, it's, is it called There Right There?

• 1:10:54Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:10:55Speaker 01

  Gay or European?

• 1:10:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, gay or European.

• 1:10:57Speaker 01

  That song is so tea.

• 1:10:58Drew Afualo?

  It's so good.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  Because are you gay or are you just European?

• 1:11:03Drew Afualo?

  It's so good.

• 1:11:04Speaker 01

  It's so-

• 1:11:05Drew Afualo?

  I was blown away by that musical when I first saw it. And I'm old enough to remember when they were casting the lead for Legally Blonde, the first run it ever had, and they made it into an MTV reality show. And I remember watching, and Laura Bell Bundy got cast off that show.

• 1:11:20Speaker 01

  That's crazy. I forgot about that.

• 1:11:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I remember, I have very distinct memories because I was the only one who gave a fuck in my own grade. I was like, and who's watching The Legally Blonde, the musical search for Elwood's? Is anyone else watching that? Me at the lunch table? Nobody else is wa- okay.

• 1:11:36Speaker 01

  They would make a show about just about anything back in the day. That Tila Tequila show, did you ever watch that?

• 1:11:43Drew Afualo?

  Yes, of course. Of course I did.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  That, what was that?

• 1:11:46Drew Afualo?

  When she had women and men.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  Or Paris Hilton's My New BFF? Did you ever watch that one? Oh my god, that was ridiculous.

• 1:11:54Drew Afualo?

  I was just talking about this with my man the other day that like, I, I will say, I've never really been a huge reality TV girl, but like, one era I remember distinctly was Jersey Shore. When that show hit the scene, I was foaming at the mouth. Like, the way each season got better was crazy.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  That, you had to be there.

• 1:12:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you could never bring that back. Like, that could never exist.

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  Although you hear that they're doing it now, and it's called Canada Shore.

• 1:12:19Drew Afualo?

  Oh, tea.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  It's like a Paramount Plus show.

• 1:12:22Drew Afualo?

  Kind of like Geordie Shore over in the UK?

• 1:12:24Speaker 01

  I guess so. Is Geordie Shore like a spinoff of Jersey Shore?

• 1:12:27Drew Afualo?

  I don't know if it's a spin off, but I think.

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  I know it's like similar vibes.

• 1:12:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's similar, I would say. So I don't know if.

• 1:12:34Speaker 01

  Jersey Shore branding and everything is like involved somehow.

• 1:12:38Drew Afualo?

  Interesting.

• 1:12:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:40Drew Afualo?

  But just the rawness of them in that environment. Also now, like when I was younger watching, I'm like, oh my god, they're a hundred. Now that I'm like older, I'm like, they're literally twenty one, twenty two. Like, everything, when you are older and you look back, everything makes more sense.

• 1:12:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:55Drew Afualo?

  Like, you're like, okay.

• 1:12:56Speaker 01

  Which is also crazy, like, you literally think they're a hundred. Like, I li- I'm like, now looking back on it, as you're saying, you're my age?

• 1:13:05Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my god.

• 1:13:06Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 1:13:08Drew Afualo?

  Well, and all their decisions make sense. Like, I was like, I was doing that. I was doing dumb bitch shit like that when I was twenty two, too.

• 1:13:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:14Drew Afualo?

  Especially like, all of the relationships, all of it makes sense. All of it's, it's clicking. It's starting to clock to me.

• 1:13:20Speaker 01

  So crazy.

• 1:13:22Drew Afualo?

  Like this, the one where they're in Italy and then Mike runs his head into the wall and then he's just sitting with a neck brace? That's cinema. That's, that's a film.

• 1:13:30Speaker 01

  I need to like, go back and watch it, because I, my frontal lobe was far from developed at the time. Like, I was really young when it was like, at its peak.

• 1:13:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  I need to like, go back and actually like.

• 1:13:39Drew Afualo?

  That was like, that, that reality show changed my life. Changed me for good, if you will.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:13:45Drew Afualo?

  Wicked for good.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:13:48Drew Afualo?

  Okay, last one back. In twenty eighteen, you and your friends formed a boy band to release a single called Roast Town?

• 1:13:56Speaker 01

  Yes, we did.

• 1:13:56Drew Afualo?

  And then they said, photo below.

• 1:14:02Speaker 01

  Yup, yup, yup, yup, yup.

• 1:14:06Drew Afualo?

  Yes, well, yes.

• 1:14:08Speaker 01

  Well, yup.

• 1:14:11Speaker 01

  Yup. And you know what? I would do it again. Yeah, so I, um, so, okay, here's the story.

• 1:14:17Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  Me and my friends, it's me, my friend Eden, who's in a lot of my videos.

• 1:14:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  And our other friend Taran. And we loved, um, well, I just like love, uh, nineties and eighties R and B, like new jack swing.

• 1:14:32Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

  But we became very obsessed with Bruno Mars's twenty four karat magic.

• 1:14:39Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 1:14:40Speaker 01

  Album.

• 1:14:40Drew Afualo?

  Honestly?

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  Really good album.

• 1:14:42Drew Afualo?

  A banger. When you read.

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  Like, if you want to talk about a banger.

• 1:14:47Drew Afualo?

  The chunky from that album was on repeat for me bitch.

• 1:14:51Speaker 01

  Even finesse, like that is such a good song. Like the songs are good.

• 1:14:55Drew Afualo?

  Versace on the floor on there in that one?

• 1:14:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:14:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, Versace on the floor.

• 1:14:58Speaker 01

  And he's not black.

• 1:15:00Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  But he's making black music. And that's what that, and I'll let it happen like, anyway, so we were obsessed with that and we had made our own dances. Uh, to tho- those songs.

• 1:15:13Drew Afualo?

  Right, naturally.

• 1:15:14Speaker 01

  And we were also 18, like we're not kids dancing for our aunties.

• 1:15:20Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  We were at like prom and we would be doing our like dance and everybody would go crazy. Anyway, it was a different time. And I, I pitched to them on my TV show Read It and Weep. I pitched to them that we should have our own boy band. And so season two of Read It and Weep, Read It and Weep was about the story of us.

• 1:15:46Drew Afualo?

  The genesis of your boy band?

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  Yes, the genesis, the Hyundai genesis of Roast Town. It was what our boy band was called and every year we made another song. We made a song and a music video and we were going decade by decade. So what you just showed me was our song, "Lod Have Mercy."

• 1:16:03Drew Afualo?

  Lod Have Mercy.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  Um, and that was the eighties, then we made a song called "Done It Now," that was the nineties. And then we were gonna make a song called "Jelly" for the 2000s era. But then the pandemic hit and I got famous.

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  So I went solo, okay?

• 1:16:27Drew Afualo?

  So naturally cut off the dead weight.

• 1:16:29Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:16:30Drew Afualo?

  I trimmed the fat immediately.

• 1:16:31Speaker 01

  Years later, I go, oh my God, now that I'm famous, I need to have my own solo career and release music. So I wrote a song called "I Have A Thing" and I used Jelly as the instrumental and like the chorus. I just changed all the lyrics. So that, so if you know my song, "I Have A Thing," which plays at like a lot of my, the end of my Bodassian videos. When I leave because I have a thing.

• 1:16:56Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  That is part of the Roast Town legacy.

• 1:17:00Speaker 01

  You know what, there's a Bowmanizer cinematic universe. And it's real.

• 1:17:05Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, I'm not even kidding, I was about to say, I love that you've built this world.

• 1:17:09Speaker 01

  And nobody knows about it but me.

• 1:17:11Drew Afualo?

  And you're like, and you're like, well, that was in season two.

• 1:17:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:16Drew Afualo?

  I'm obsessed with them.

• 1:17:17Speaker 01

  Girl, I have.

• 1:17:18Drew Afualo?

  You're so me.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  I'm on, we're about to film season four of The Bodassians. Season four of The Bodassians. Nobody knows we're on season four, episode 67. But we are.

• 1:17:31Drew Afualo?

  I'll tell you this, you're about to be blown away by season four.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  Oh, you thought last season was good? Get ready. Get ready.

• 1:17:41Drew Afualo?

  You're so me. Like, it's crazy, you're so me.

• 1:17:44Speaker 01

  I, I love world building. I think it is so fun.

• 1:17:49Drew Afualo?

  It's so cool.

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  And like, for me, it's like, it's one thing to like, make these tech talks and have, and be stupid.

• 1:17:54Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:17:54Speaker 01

  Obviously, that's the point.

• 1:17:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  But what I get out of it is like, banking content, turning it into a season.

• 1:18:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  Making a trailer for the season, having a song that like, is the theme song for that season. Like, that's the, that's the artistry that I feel like I love to put.

• 1:18:12Drew Afualo?

  Getting to create.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:18:13Drew Afualo?

  And like, put, put something together, like, make something.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:18:17Drew Afualo?

  It's beautiful.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  That's what I, I hope people watch what I do and see something of that.

• 1:18:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  And then they go, we want to give him a show on A24.

• 1:18:30Drew Afualo?

  And we don't do shows, but now we're going to.

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  But now we're going to.

• 1:18:35Drew Afualo?

  I think that is so fucking awesome.

• 1:18:37Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:18:38Drew Afualo?

  Like, I think, and it's, I think it speaks to your ability to transcend social media in general, because you are a creative, you're an artist, right?

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:18:46Drew Afualo?

  But it's like, I, I have always, and I'll tell you this, I've always seen beneath, like, what a fucking star you are, like, genuinely, you are a triple threat, and I know that to be true.

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:18:56Drew Afualo?

  But I think it's incredible that you find so much joy in just the creating of it all.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:00Drew Afualo?

  It's amazing. And, and social media can make it hard to start to enjoy it once it becomes your full-time job. It can make it a little bit harder, but you're not new to this, you're true to this.

• 1:19:09Speaker 01

  No, I think that I, I, well, thank you for saying that.

• 1:19:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  I, um, I just really do love it so much. And I found a way to love it despite all the noise of it being a career and it being like that my day to day. But like I've learned how to like, like even what I just said where I bank content and turn it into a season, that was even born out of finding a way to do this that is accommodating for like my mental health.

• 1:19:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:36Speaker 01

  Cause I can't be thinking up genius ideas every week and editing them.

• 1:19:41Drew Afualo?

  And running it into the ground.

• 1:19:42Speaker 01

  To be available to film like.

• 1:19:44Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:19:44Speaker 01

  If I can collect over time, then I'm creating for me.

• 1:19:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:49Speaker 01

  Then it doesn't feel like, then I take the pressure off of it.

• 1:19:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and you find the joy in it again.

• 1:19:53Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:19:53Drew Afualo?

  The love for it, like what we were talking about when we did it when we were little.

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:19:56Drew Afualo?

  Like purely for the love of the game.

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:19:58Drew Afualo?

  Like, and that's, I think, what makes you such a beautiful artist. But I also think that's why you're so successful at it and you're gonna keep getting even more.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:20:05Drew Afualo?

  Successful, I think it's gonna be amazing.

• 1:20:06Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 1:20:07Drew Afualo?

  And I also, you're so me, making yourself the star in everything, you're so fucking me, bitch.

• 1:20:11Speaker 01

  I'm so inspired by like RuPaul. If you watch RuPaul's Drag Race, it's a huge ad for his music. His catchphrases, his sayings, drag con.

• 1:20:22Drew Afualo?

  You're so right, that's so true.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  That's how you have to be.

• 1:20:24Drew Afualo?

  That's the RuPaul cinematic universe.

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:20:26Drew Afualo?

  You have to create your own world.

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:20:28Drew Afualo?

  Like if you wanna star in it, you have to create it sometimes.

• 1:20:30Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:20:31Drew Afualo?

  Especially when you look like us, like essentially.

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  When you look like us. That's what you have to do.

• 1:20:37Drew Afualo?

  You do.

• 1:20:37Speaker 01

  And you heard it right here, on the comment section.

• 1:20:42Drew Afualo?

  The last one thing I'll tell you is like, cause it reminded me of this when you were saying, I like create my whole own universe, which I think is amazing. Uh, I was just joking about this with my sister and Carrie the other day, but I was telling, we were talking about maladaptive daydreaming, like what we used to do when we were kids. When you need to daydream and you're like, oh, like, what would my partner look like? Or what would my, my life look like, whatever.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:02Drew Afualo?

  But I was telling them, every time I would maladaptive daydream like that, if I was listening to like a romantic song, or I watched like a movie or something and I'd be like daydreaming, I was like, I always knew like if it was like a relationship thing, for example, I knew a man was there. I never saw a face, in fact, if it was a movie, like, the camera would be over his shoulder. And I was only ever looking at myself, like, in my daydreams. And I was like, and honestly, like, I don't know much, but I know I always had French tips. Like, French tip nails. Because I was like, and they both were laughing.

• 1:21:33Speaker 01

  That is so interesting.

• 1:21:34Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, I would just look at myself and I'd be like, wow, look at how beautiful I am. Oh my god, I'm gonna be so successful and gorgeous.

• 1:21:41Speaker 01

  Do people not daydream and see it like that?

• 1:21:44Drew Afualo?

  I guess not, because when I joke about it, everyone laughs and they're like, really? And I go, I'm not kidding, the man in the picture never had a face, I never saw what he looked. I'm sure he was cool. But like, for me, I'd only be looking at myself and I'd be like, god, I'm so stunning. Oh my god, look at my outfit.

• 1:22:00Speaker 01

  You're seeing what he sees. And you're thinking what he thinks.

• 1:22:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, the female gaze.

• 1:22:04Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:22:04Drew Afualo?

  Looking at myself.

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:22:05Drew Afualo?

  And I was literally like, god, oh my god, wow, amazing. And I would like, watch women on TV, because I'd always wanted to be in entertainment, I wanted to be an actress, or be something in entertainment. And I would watch them on TV, and I'd be like, god, she's beaut- so beautiful. And if I had that outfit on, you bitches wouldn't be able to handle it. You would not last a day looking at me.

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:22:27Drew Afualo?

  And so like, when people are like, have you always been that confident? I'm like, yes.

• 1:22:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:22:31Drew Afualo?

  Yes. And that's like, you remind me of me.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  Uh, I was delu- I had a TV show about my life in 12th grade. I, like, I-

• 1:22:40Drew Afualo?

  Someone needs to get this on television.

• 1:22:40Speaker 01

  I actually think about this all the time, like, I miss being that delusional.

• 1:22:44Drew Afualo?

  Same.

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  I feel like when I started to do social media and, like, I turned this into a career, of course, I've reaped a lot of success out of it.

• 1:22:52Drew Afualo?

  Which is amazing.

• 1:22:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, but then, part of it, part of what comes with that is like, a modesty that you have to have.

• 1:22:59Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  Because, it's, and it's like, back in the day, so Roast Town, for example, my boy band. It's like, we had one song every year, but we made a big deal about it. And then I would invite, we'd have launch parties. And I'd invite 40 people that I barely knew to my home. And we'd all be there to like, celebrate the launch of our new song. And it's like, but now, I feel like I don't celebrate these big things that, my wins, because I'm like, it just, I have to be chill, and I have to be cool and coy about it. But I miss being delusional.

• 1:23:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for real.

• 1:23:34Speaker 01

  The delusion fuels everything.

• 1:23:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I agree. And it's like, you need that especially to make it in this industry. Like, and especially if you're sitting at any intersection of oppression.

• 1:23:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:45Drew Afualo?

  Like, you have to imagine, like, that's me. That could be me. Like, you can't be like, oh, if I looked like her, that would be me.

• 1:23:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:52Drew Afualo?

  You have to be like, no, that could be me, and it will be me, and I'm gonna make sure it's me.

• 1:23:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:23:57Drew Afualo?

  And that's how I've always felt too, like, about myself. I was like, I don't know, I just like, I'm just so awesome. Like, I've never, like, I just think I'm so incredibly amazing. Like, I just think that's so awesome.

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:07Drew Afualo?

  Like, that's how I've always thought about myself as a child. And then, obviously, as you get older, it starts, yeah, it wanes.

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  Life just starts to hit.

• 1:24:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and then, obviously, when I started doing this, it was very similar too. It's like, uh, this weird, like, expectation that you would be extremely like, oh, whatever, don't even care.

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:24Drew Afualo?

  Or, or like, oh, I don't even know why I'm here. Like, when I joke about that, I'm like, what am I doing in this room? But that's just because I make wiener jokes on the internet. That's not me saying I don't deserve to be in that room.

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:24:34Drew Afualo?

  It's more so like, I'm like, this is an odd pairing, putting me in here.

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:37Drew Afualo?

  That's how I feel now.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:40Drew Afualo?

  This is a strange.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  Sometimes that is tea.

• 1:24:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:43Drew Afualo?

  But I think, other than that, I'm very like, when they're like, did you know you were gonna be like, something? I even answered a question about that at that breakfast I went to this morning. Like, they were like, did you always know? And I go, I mean, I could have never guessed that TikTok would be the thing.

• 1:24:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:57Drew Afualo?

  Um, but I did tell her, I was like, but I, I can tell you honestly, like, I always knew I was awesome.

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:02Drew Afualo?

  I knew I was gonna end up somewhere awesome.

• 1:25:04Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:25:04Drew Afualo?

  Wherever it was.

• 1:25:05Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:25:06Drew Afualo?

  But I think you need that.

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:07Drew Afualo?

  They need, you need people to be like, I love myself, and I think I'm awesome, and I'm gonna do great.

• 1:25:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:12Drew Afualo?

  It's beautiful.

• 1:25:12Speaker 01

  I think I just, uh, yeah, ever since I was a kid, I was just destined to believe I was the main character.

• 1:25:19Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  Like, I, I just think that is, that's what I was doing when I'm alone in my living room, dancing to Britney Spears. It's like, yeah, I'm performing. Like, I'm performing to sold-out show, and this is my tour. This is like the North American leg of my tour. And it's, but it's like, I just, I have to remember to carry over that delusion.

• 1:25:38Drew Afualo?

  As you get older too.

• 1:25:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, especially doing this.

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  Eric.

• 1:25:42Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:25:42Speaker 01

  Every year, he has a word that for his new year.

• 1:25:47Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yes, okay.

• 1:25:48Speaker 01

  And he always asks me what my word is, and I go, Eric, I don't play your games.

• 1:25:54Speaker 01

  But I feel like this year I'm consciously making delusion my word.

• 1:25:59Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that's so cute. I love that.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  Because I just, I really need to rediscover the delusion of it all.

• 1:26:03Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  Like, I need to, especially moving to LA.

• 1:26:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  Because I feel like it's easy to, when I was in Toronto, like, it, it's easy to feel a little bit more delusional there because it's not the entertainment industry.

• 1:26:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you're far away from it.

• 1:26:16Speaker 01

  It's just so far removed from it. Now that I'm like, on the ground here, it feels like, okay, I have to stay true to the delusion.

• 1:26:25Drew Afualo?

  You have to revisit that.

• 1:26:25Speaker 01

  And the antics.

• 1:26:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and that's good.

• 1:26:27Speaker 01

  That brought me here, yeah.

• 1:26:28Drew Afualo?

  And that's good. I think revisiting and checking in with yourself like that is essential, as an artist especially.

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:26:33Drew Afualo?

  It like reinvigorates your passion too, like, and it's more inspiring and everything.

• 1:26:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:38Drew Afualo?

  Like, even for me, like, obviously making fun of men, I'll still do that, but like, I feel like I've pretty much proven I can do it, so it's like, I'm good there, like, I'll do it every now and then, but like, that's not what I've always wanted to do. It's just something I'm good at.

• 1:26:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:53Drew Afualo?

  And it's not something I, I like, wanna do forever, all the time, always.

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:26:57Drew Afualo?

  Well,

• 1:27:00Drew Afualo?

  I don't remember where I was at, but I wanna end here. I love you and I think you're a fucking star.

• 1:27:06Speaker 01

  Thank you, I love me too.

• 1:27:09Drew Afualo?

  And I'm so glad, uh, that I get to experience your genius.

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  My god, thank you.

• 1:27:13Drew Afualo?

  In person, yeah.

• 1:27:14Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 1:27:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:15Speaker 01

  I love you.

• 1:27:17Drew Afualo?

  Thank you.

• 1:27:17Speaker 01

  Back.

• 1:27:18Drew Afualo?

  Thank you.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  And I, I genuinely love you. I feel like, um, you just have such beautiful, colorful energy.

• 1:27:25Drew Afualo?

  Thank you.

• 1:27:26Speaker 01

  Like, I, from the moment I met you, I was like, oh, what a wonderful person to be around.

• 1:27:31Drew Afualo?

  Thank you, I'm so glad.

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  So thank you for doing that.

• 1:27:33Drew Afualo?

  I did not get that vibe when I met you first.

• 1:27:35Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:27:35Drew Afualo?

  But I did get, this bitch is funny.

• 1:27:37Speaker 01

  Oh, work.

• 1:27:39Drew Afualo?

  I'm kidding, I, obviously, I, I knew you were fucking awesome, and obviously, a lot of the people I love, loved you, so I had nothing but high hopes going in. I was like, you're gonna be hilarious and amazing.

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  I had a lot to live up to.

• 1:27:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and honestly, you did. You, you shattered that ceiling, girl.

• 1:27:53Speaker 01

  Thank god.

• 1:27:54Drew Afualo?

  You did such a great job.

• 1:27:55Speaker 01

  I can breathe.

• 1:27:55Drew Afualo?

  And everybody I know that loves you is in love with you, so I, I feel like that's a good sign.

• 1:27:59Speaker 01

  A lot of love for me in East Street. Uh-oh.

• 1:28:03Drew Afualo?

  Get with it, or get left behind.

• 1:28:04Speaker 01

  That's exciting.

• 1:28:06Drew Afualo?

  Thank you so much for coming on the show again. I fucking love you.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  Thank you, I love you too.

• 1:28:09Drew Afualo?

  You're the best. And for those who maybe, like, the two people that maybe don't know, where can everybody find you?

• 1:28:15Speaker 01

  At Bowmanizer on everything.

• 1:28:17Drew Afualo?

  Yes. Anything else you wanna, you would like to promote?

• 1:28:21Speaker 01

  No, I don't think so. I just want to say, you know, I hope that we find peace in the world going forward.

• 1:28:31Drew Afualo?

  Beautiful, especially here on the comments.

• 1:28:34Speaker 01

  Here on the comments section.

• 1:28:38Drew Afualo?

  Thank you so much for tuning in to this week's episode of the comments section show. Thank you so much to my amazing guest Bowman. Don't forget to go follow, check him out on literally everything. I already know you guys know where Bowman is. I don't need to tell you. But thank you so much for tuning in. Don't forget new episodes of the comments section come out every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms with the video list for free and exclusively on our favorite platform, Spotify. Thank you so much to my amazing guest Bowman. Thank you so much for tuning in and I'll see you next week. Bye.

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