RHETT & LINK WOKE UP IN A COLD SWEAT (Ft. Rhett & Link) | Episode 238

The legends behind Good Mythical Morning are finally here!! Drew talks to Rhett & Link about their blindfolds getting into the Smithsonian Collection, the birth of their Youtube empire, eating a dissection worm to impress a girl, becoming a Jeopardy question, using a screwdriver to run their shared Ford Bronco, the secret Order of the Engineers, and so much more. The season 30 premiere of Good Mythical Morning is now available on Netflix. Follow Rhett & Link on IG: https://www.instagram.com/mythical/ Follow The Comment Section on IG: https://www.instagram.com/thecommentsection/?hl=en Get 40% off select Lola Blankets products at Lolablankets.com by using code COMMENTSECTION at checkout. Experience the world’s #1 blanket with Lola Blankets. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:33Speaker 01

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• 1:07Speaker 02

  So, we're walking by and I just see, "Oh, there's a bike on the wall," and I just touched the tire.

• 1:10Speaker 03

  It's like honk, honk, honk.

• 1:12Speaker 02

  And, yeah, yeah.

• 1:13Drew Afualo?

  Give it a good spin.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  I honked the bike horn.

• 1:16Speaker 02

  There was no bike horn.

• 1:17Drew Afualo?

  She said, "My bad, my bad, my bad."

• 1:18Speaker 02

  And the woman says, "No touching, no touching."

• 1:29Drew Afualo?

  Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show, starring me, your fave, everybody knows me, who cares about me. Onto the guests. Today, we have the iconic, the legendary, the men themselves, Rhett and Link.

• 1:41Speaker 03

  Hey. Hey, hey, hey.

• 1:44Drew Afualo?

  The mythical morning legends themselves. Oh, my God.

• 1:47Speaker 03

  Good mythical morning.

• 1:48Drew Afualo?

  Good mythical morning. Oh, my God, of course I would say that. Everything feels new when it comes to fall. New routine, new school year, new chance to reset. It's overall a time of year to refresh, especially when it comes to your closet. That's why I'm so excited to introduce the new fall line, Lululemon is dropping September 8th. Lululemon pieces are such a staple for me because they provide instant comfort, whether I'm working out at the gym, traveling, or even relaxing at home. And with this new collection, they've upped their game even further by not only providing comfort and quality, but I love all of their new styles. I'm especially excited about their Run collection, which has pieces that look perfect for the gym.

• 2:32Drew Afualo?

  I specifically can't wait to order the Seamless Stripe Trim Tank Top and Mid-Rise Shorts, which come in this really, really cute navy blue and burgundy color combo. Love, love, love. Go to Lululemon to get a sneak peek at the new collection. Styles start dropping September 8th, and as always, popular colors go fast, so be on the lookout for those drops. And if something doesn't work for you, there are free returns always. That's lululemon.com. lululemon.com. Hey, y'all. This episode is brought to you by Sephora. Some days, I barely want any coverage at all. I just want my skin to look like my skin, girl, just a little more even.

• 3:15Drew Afualo?

  That's when I've been reaching for the Merit Minimalist Stick. It's a foundation and concealer stick in one, so it's super easy to throw on when I'm running errands, grabbing coffee, or meeting up with friends. It gives me that really natural skin-like finish without feeling heavy. But when I'm filming, going to an event, or I just want a full glam moment, I need a concealer that's actually going to show up. So, the Hourglass Vanish Concealer is one I always reach for because it gives me that full coverage, airbrushed finish. I also know I'm not the only person who's struggled to find the right concealer shade. It can be so frustrating trying to guess what'll actually work for you. That's why I always shop at Sephora. They have the best brands all in one place with so many shades, coverage levels, and

• 4:00Drew Afualo?

  finishes, so you can actually find what works for you. And if you need help, Sephora makes it super easy with expert beauty advisors, free samples, and shade matching tools, both online and in-store. So whether you're looking for barely there coverage or full glam, Sephora can help you find your match. Thank you so much for coming on the show, legends. How are you guys doing today?

• 4:19Speaker 03

  That is code for old.

• 4:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Not even.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  Honestly, I'm a little shaken up.

• 4:25Drew Afualo?

  Are you?

• 4:26Speaker 02

  I had a, I awoke in a cold sweat at like 4:00 a.m. from a nightmare.

• 4:33Drew Afualo?

  Oh, no way. What'd you have? Are you willing to share about the nightmare?

• 4:38Speaker 03

  This is not something that normally happens.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  It doesn't. But I was in high school. I was on the high school basketball team, in my dream and in real life.

• 4:46Speaker 03

  This is just an excuse to talk about your glory days.

• 4:50Drew Afualo?

  Well, he's about 70 feet tall, so I'd hope.

• 4:52Speaker 02

  Are you about to bring up my high school record for 3-pointers, which was 77 in one season? Because I wasn't gonna bring that up.

• 4:57Drew Afualo?

  Okay, yeah, that was my record. Yeah, 77 points.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  We just started. So, I was getting ready for a game, and for some reason, the opposing coach for the other high school team was Steve Nash. Googling.

• 5:10Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  And he was looking at me with his arms crossed, like watching me warm up.

• 5:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, what kind of high school did you go to that Steve Nash is coaching?

• 5:17Speaker 02

  Well, this was the opposing team.

• 5:19Drew Afualo?

  Oh, gotcha.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  And so, and he was looking at me, you know how sometimes they'll separate the courts with like a net, like if you want to play like two different games?

• 5:26Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:27Speaker 02

  Steve Nash is looking through this net at me. And so, I'm a little bit nervous, and then I look down and realize that for some reason, I'm just wearing old, low-top vans.

• 5:37Drew Afualo?

  At the big game?

• 5:38Speaker 02

  And I'm like, "These are too slick. I gotta get some shoes." My dad takes me across the street to the Walmart, which we didn't have a Walmart across the street. We had a tobacco field across the street in our high school.

• 5:49Drew Afualo?

  Naturally.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  He gives me these big, black, high tops that are Nikes, and there's a green swoosh. Link knows that that's not the colors of our high school. So, I'm like, "Now, I gotta play with these green and black shoes." But then, when I get back to the game, they're sliding all over my feet because for some reason, my dad got like size 18 shoes. And then, that's when I woke up in a cold sweat. And I've been uneasy since that point.

• 6:12Drew Afualo?

  That's, that's your worst nightmare? Being suited up poorly for the big game?

• 6:16Speaker 02

  When Steve Nash is watching this.

• 6:18Speaker 03

  He has really worked up to be here.

• 6:20Drew Afualo?

  Right, right, right, right, right.

• 6:21Speaker 03

  I think that's what this is about.

• 6:24Drew Afualo?

  You're just, "I'm Steve Nash."

• 6:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, you are.

• 6:26Drew Afualo?

  And I'm watching you in the two big shoes.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  I almost wore my vans.

• 6:29Speaker 03

  Bring in the net.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  I almost wore my low-top vans.

• 6:33Drew Afualo?

  I mean, I'm glad you didn't have to perform the low-top vans. You probably, probably would've done worse.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, who knows if that dream had to continue?

• 6:39Drew Afualo?

  But you did play basketball in high school. I love to hear that. I'm glad that height's being put to use.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, not anymore.

• 6:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, not anymore, not, well.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  It's just creating physical problems.

• 6:47Drew Afualo?

  At this point now, your body's giving in on you? You're both really tall.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, that's the thing about Link, is he's actually tall.

• 6:53Drew Afualo?

  You're welcome, Link. You are tall. I'll give it to you. Do people, are people shocked when they see you in real life and see how tall you guys are, or do they kind of guess?

• 7:01Speaker 03

  Yes. When they see us, they usually turn to me and say, "You're taller than I thought you would be."

• 7:07Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 7:08Drew Afualo?

  Oh.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  It's not, yeah.

• 7:10Speaker 03

  And they're too afraid to talk or look at him.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  They knew that I was tall. They just thought that Link was like 5'4", really.

• 7:16Drew Afualo?

  They think I'm 5'4" too.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  You know, the funny thing is, have you ever thought about people thinking that you're a short?

• 7:22Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  It creates, like, you know how, you know this?

• 7:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  Like, the version of you that exists on the internet.

• 7:29Drew Afualo?

  Yes, yes.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  Is not who you are.

• 7:31Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 7:31Speaker 02

  It is. You're super authentic, and people know who you are, and like, you're not being somebody else.

• 7:36Drew Afualo?

  But it's not the whole thing.

• 7:37Speaker 02

  But because it's like, we are, you know, entertaining.

• 7:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, dramaticized versions of ourselves, yeah.

• 7:44Speaker 02

  They might perceive you and be like, "Okay, well, I don't know how tall she is, but I'll just say she's 5'6" or whatever." And they might say, "You're 5'6" as well.

• 7:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:53Speaker 02

  And so, the fake version of you that people have identified with is a short man. That's an interesting, have you thought about it?

• 7:59Drew Afualo?

  Maybe that means, maybe that means you're safe.

• 8:01Speaker 03

  I actually, no, I don't think about it at all, ever.

• 8:05Drew Afualo?

  Believe it or not, that never crosses my mind, ever.

• 8:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:08Drew Afualo?

  I do find it concerning that they think I'm small, only because I've said quite frequently and often how tall I am. But I don't get, "Wow, you're taller than I thought." I get, "You're huge." That's what I get. I get that immediately. They're like, "Oh, you're like huge," which I was like, "All the adjectives you could use, you used that one. No worries."

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Thanks for that.

• 8:25Drew Afualo?

  Not a big deal to me. But I do.

• 8:26Speaker 03

  For the record, I'm sorry, what is it? 5'10"?

• 8:30Drew Afualo?

  How tall I am?

• 8:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:31Drew Afualo?

  I'm 6 feet, if you can believe.

• 8:32Speaker 03

  We are the same.

• 8:34Drew Afualo?

  We are the, are we?

• 8:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:35Drew Afualo?

  I feel like you're taller than me.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  I just got a little bit more hair. My hair is going in a different direction.

• 8:39Drew Afualo?

  A little more volume on you than me. I gotta tease my hair up so I can be the same height as you.

• 8:44Speaker 03

  So, I'm still shorter than you. That actually feels good.

• 8:47Drew Afualo?

  Or we're like the same. I mean, honestly, I feel like people think I'm small probably because I'm like mean online to men.

• 8:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 8:55Drew Afualo?

  So, I think they just kind of assume I come in a tiny package. But I did, I once, like, when I was standing like eye level with The Rock, I like tweeted that picture. I was like, "Just in case anyone doesn't believe me, like, I'm, he looks normal-sized standing next to me. Most of the time, he makes everyone look this big."

• 9:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:12Drew Afualo?

  So, I was like, "If this is enough proof, I feel like me being eye level with him is enough." But even then, they were like, "Well, you're probably wearing high heels." And.

• 9:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:21Drew Afualo?

  I wasn't, but it's okay.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  And the thing is, is that I would say 90% of the time when people say that, and it is most of the time that when they run into us, you can see immediately the regret that that's the first thing that they said.

• 9:33Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 9:33Speaker 02

  But here's the thing.

• 9:34Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 9:35Speaker 02

  When I run into a man who is as tall as me.

• 9:38Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 9:39Speaker 02

  I'm like, "You are a freak."

• 9:42Drew Afualo?

  You're weird.

• 9:43Speaker 02

  And I turned to my wife, who's like 5'3", and I'm like, "Is that what I look like?"

• 9:48Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my God.

• 9:49Speaker 02

  Like, that guy is so big, it seems like he's from a different planet.

• 9:53Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 9:54Speaker 02

  And she's like, "You carry it differently."

• 9:58Drew Afualo?

  And that's a good supportive spouse.

• 9:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:59Drew Afualo?

  We love a supportive spouse.

• 10:01Speaker 02

  She's trying to make me feel better.

• 10:03Drew Afualo?

  Well, I'm so happy to have you guys on. You guys are legends, honestly. And I mean that not in age, I mean that in impact.

• 10:10Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 10:10Drew Afualo?

  And empire that you guys have grown. Um, I would love to know, just for the maybe two people that have never heard of you, and they're like brand new to the world, maybe they opened their eyes yesterday. Um, can you guys tell me about the inception of Good Mythical Morning? And just like the whole, how you guys started just generally online? And how you guys started making content? And I do have to say really quickly, during BLM, I was so inspired by a video that you made, where you wrote a letter saying like, talking to a white man. I was so inspired by that, I actually made my own video. Uh, because I watched yours and I thought, wow, that is so poignant and so impactful, that a white man is making a video like this. I think I should make a video too. And that was like one of my first reels I ever put on Instagram. But it wasn't, I didn't have a following, I didn't have anything, I was just very passionate about it.

• 10:55Drew Afualo?

  So I like, did this whole entire video on the history of the police department in the US? And how it was made from slave patrols and everything. I did a whole entire video on it. Because I was inspired by your video, and I had to tell you that, I forgot. Like, I had forgotten that I'd made that years ago. Have to say that, I was like, I didn't, I didn't see any of your videos linked, but I'm sure you made amazing ones. But I do remember Rets.

• 11:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, since I didn't write this article, I, I will brag on a little bit.

• 11:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, please.

• 11:20Speaker 03

  Letter to a White Man is still, I mean, if you Google it, it's still out there on what, Substack or something?

• 11:25Speaker 02

  What, no, it's, it's a, I think it's like a Medium article.

• 11:28Speaker 03

  A Medium article?

• 11:29Speaker 02

  There's a video at some, some, I just read it.

• 11:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, he read the, the letter.

• 11:33Speaker 03

  You know, we, I mean, I, I was born and raised in North Carolina. We'll go back and talk about Good Mythical Morning in a second. But to talk about this, this letter for a second.

• 11:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  I was born and raised in, uh, rural North Carolina. Like he said, the tobacco fields across the street from our high school.

• 11:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 11:48Speaker 03

  So when he moved there in first grade, I mean, that's practically born and raised there as well. So, it felt like, an opportunity to speak from, I'm speaking for you now, but I was very proud to know.

• 12:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 12:02Speaker 03

  To speak from our experience.

• 12:04Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 12:04Speaker 03

  Growing up there and kind of having that point of view.

• 12:07Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 12:07Speaker 03

  And having the, um, the opportunity to, to be heard by maybe a different group of people than who most everyone was talking to.

• 12:16Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 12:16Speaker 03

  At that time.

• 12:17Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 12:18Speaker 03

  Um, so yeah, and it, and it, it's still out there.

• 12:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it is. It was, it was so impactful to me at the time, that I was like, that was like one of the first videos I ever made online. Was like, before I started making TikToks and like, being silly online, like, I was like, the, I was very active posting about everything that was going on. And I was like, talking about a lot of things that were going on. It meant a lot to me to see people like yourselves, like with platforms, also talking about it. But then, when I saw your video, I was like, you know what, that's so, it's, it's such a wonderful way of packaging something that is so huge and oppressive and awful, into a way that people can digest it and understand it, and even at best empathize with it and be able to relate to it. So I remember thinking like, wow, what a wonderful way to package such a difficult messaging.

• 13:01Drew Afualo?

  Like, to be able to translate it, not just to, obviously marginalize people who are well aware, but also to white people, like, I thought it was amazing, I thought it was incredible, and I was like, I'm gonna make one too. So you also had your impact on me, you both did. So I appreciate you guys. And also, I did, I did not know you guys were from North Carolina. Carrie's from North Carolina as well.

• 13:20Speaker 03

  Carrie!

• 13:21Drew Afualo?

  Carrie, tell them where you're from, Carrie.

• 13:23Speaker 03

  Are you from Carrie, North Carolina? I'm not, I'm from Wilmington. Alright, beach girl.

• 13:27Speaker 02

  Cool parts.

• 13:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, a beach girl. I know, so I was like, every time I find out where someone's from, if I know someone who's from there and they're in the room, I'm like, oh my god, you guys know each other.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  That's why they're states.

• 13:40Drew Afualo?

  That's why, we have a lot in common. But, let's get back to Good Mythical Morning.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  So we have over thirty-five hundred? Episodes of Good Mythical Morning now?

• 13:50Drew Afualo?

  Crazy.

• 13:51Speaker 02

  I don't know if we've gotten to thirty-five hundred.

• 13:53Speaker 03

  We're, we're approaching, if not surpassing thirty-five hundred.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  We passed three thousand last year, or at some point.

• 13:59Speaker 03

  I mean, we, we celebrated the twentieth anniversary of uploading our first video to YouTube.

• 14:05Drew Afualo?

  Ever.

• 14:06Speaker 03

  Um, a couple of months back. But Good Mythical Morning started as a side project for us to put out daily content, just to have a conversation with each other, that we would share with anyone who would watch, in between videos that we would put out on a monthly basis, on our original Rettin Link channel.

• 14:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 14:26Speaker 03

  Where we were making a lot of musical comedy and sketches.

• 14:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 14:30Speaker 03

  Think Lonely Island, but with sponsors attached. So like,

• 14:34Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 14:35Speaker 03

  We knew that we wanted to tap into our longstanding relationship, and the fact that we could, we're always shooting the breeze about something.

• 14:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 14:45Speaker 03

  If we can monetize that, that would be nice.

• 14:47Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  But it was very much, it was a side project.

• 14:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, which is crazy.

• 14:51Speaker 02

  It started very small.

• 14:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  But it started with the idea that, okay, we're trying to make things happen in Hollywood. And we've got a pilot, and we're try, you know, our pilot presentation or whatever. We're trying to enter the industry, like, once we moved out here.

• 15:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 15:09Speaker 02

  And it was, okay.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  Because we had had a television show on the IFC channel called Commercial Kings. That's why we moved out to LA.

• 15:17Speaker 02

  But we observed a lot of other people, not a lot of other people, but some other people, who would see YouTube as a, like, training ground, stepping stone. And then they get the opportunity to go make a real television show.

• 15:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  And they would stop doing the YouTube thing. And then inevitably, when you give the control of your, you know, your media.

• 15:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, your idea.

• 15:38Speaker 02

  Existence, over to somebody else, who then decides they don't want it anymore, well, where's your audience? And so we're like, no matter what happens with any of these projects that we are aspiring to.

• 15:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  Let's not lose the connection with fans. And that can be this daily show, which started, like I said, really small. It was just the two of us, and one person helping.

• 15:58Speaker 03

  Unscripted, we had a timer, we knew kind of what we wanted to talk about. And we would just kind of keep it around, I think at the time, closer to ten or twelve minutes.

• 16:09Drew Afualo?

  That's when you guys were Steve Jobs in the garage.

• 16:11Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah.

• 16:11Drew Afualo?

  It was just you guys.

• 16:12Speaker 02

  It was a garage.

• 16:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, convert a garage in Rets backyard.

• 16:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 16:16Speaker 03

  But we, we, we knew we didn't want to do any editing. We wanted it to be as conversational and as

• 16:23Drew Afualo?

  Like, organic.

• 16:24Speaker 03

  As real to us as possible. Plus, we didn't want to invest too much time and

• 16:28Speaker 02

  We didn't want to spend time on it.

• 16:29Speaker 03

  Energy in trying to edit or making it into something.

• 16:32Drew Afualo?

  And now look at you, now look what you did. You guys didn't want to spend enough time, now look at you, too successful.

• 16:37Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, we benefited from, at, at certain points along the way.

• 16:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 16:44Speaker 03

  Of the, the algorithm rewarding content that kept people watching.

• 16:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 16:51Speaker 03

  So it's, you know, we, we were, we were slowly developing a loyal audience of who we call mythical beasts. That's what they call themselves. Yeah, so when they would start watching, they would keep, they would keep watching the entire episode.

• 17:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 17:05Speaker 03

  And then if another one would be recommended, well, it was, it was, there were so many of them, it was easy to binge.

• 17:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 17:10Speaker 03

  And, I mean, not to get too in the weeds, but like, when YouTube, when the algorithm switched from being about views to being about watch time.

• 17:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 17:20Speaker 03

  And keeping people watching longer and longer.

• 17:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, engaged.

• 17:24Speaker 03

  It, it rewarded the show, and it, and it really started to take off after a couple of years of us doing it.

• 17:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 17:31Speaker 03

  And became the main thing we were doing.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  There were so many lucky breaks along the way, and so many

• 17:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 17:36Speaker 02

  Changes that we were not responsible for, like YouTube making that decision to reward watch time. We just, we were right place, right time, benefited from

• 17:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  You know, the algorithm.

• 17:46Drew Afualo?

  I really think that, something that's so admirable about the two of you, that I've thought about for years, obviously because you guys have been doing this for, for years, is like, you guys saw the value in YouTube. Like, it's, I feel like so often, especially with now, I mean, the integration of, of traditional Hollywood and the internet is like so inevitable at this point, like, they're kind of interchangeable in a lot of ways. But like, before that, like, the internet, like you said, was one of those like, well, I guess I'll do this, but then as soon as I get what I really want in Hollywood, then I'm gonna ditch this. But you guys saw a lot of value in YouTube way before other people did, which is why I think you guys invested early, in terms of like, commitment to it. And I also love how you guys have stayed really engaged with your audience over the years, grown with them. Um, which is like, hard to do.

• 18:31Drew Afualo?

  It's hard to like, age with your audience a lot of times, especially if you have like, something very specific you could age out of. But like, the fact that you guys have been able to compound it has been incredible to me. I think that's amazing.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  I, I think one of the things, too, is that

• 18:47Speaker 02

  With all the traditional, traditional stuff that we've done, even the stuff that we were very happy with the way that it turned out, like some of the commercials that we made with Commercial Kings. Still are like some of this, our favorite content that we've ever created. When you just kind of look at the whole show, if you sit down and watch an episode of that, if you, if you're somebody who watches Good Mythical Morning, you'll be like, it's them, but it's, it feels like there's some other influence, or there's something else informing the way that they're coming across that I don't like because there was some other voices involved. And this is tough, right? Because you, there, you kind of want other voices. It's like, we're not like, oh, we know exactly what it is that we are doing and we don't need any help. We need a lot of help and we have a lot of help.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  But I think that there's just something about, you, you realize that there's a place where we can make exactly what we want to make.

• 19:41Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  Comfortable and we can come across exactly how we want to.

• 19:45Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  And we can decide how many episodes there are going to be.

• 19:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's so true.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  We can decide when we're gonna take a break.

• 19:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  And that.

• 19:52Drew Afualo?

  You don't always have that control.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  You don't realize how valuable that is.

• 19:55Drew Afualo?

  Truly. That's so true.

• 19:57Speaker 02

  You know, it's funny, the number of people who are coming from a traditional background who reach out to us now.

• 20:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  You know, people who have incredible careers.

• 20:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 20:07Speaker 02

  And they're like, how do we, how do we create something like what you guys have created?

• 20:10Drew Afualo?

  That was literally what.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  This is crazy.

• 20:12Drew Afualo?

  I was gonna ask you guys that. I was literally gonna ask you guys if you guys have had people asking you how to kind of pivot or be able to do both at the same time, because I feel like a lot of people who went up the traditional way now are kind of on the back foot where they have to like be engaging and they have to be able to make content and they have to be able to like also show their personality, which I think has been squeezed out of a lot of celebrities in Hollywood where it's like, I'm only gonna sit there, I'm only gonna answer the questions that have been approved, I'm not gonna show you anything else about me because I'm not supposed to do that.

• 20:42Speaker 03

  It is, it's a completely different mode.

• 20:45Drew Afualo?

  Right, totally.

• 20:45Speaker 03

  Of, of working where it's, where, yes, creators package themselves in all different types of ways, but there's an intimacy.

• 20:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 20:57Speaker 03

  That I think it's kind of the starting point.

• 20:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. I was gonna ask, when did you guys feel like Mythical Morning was like really like, okay, I think this is becoming like a thing, like a big thing that I'm gonna have to pay a lot of attention to. Because obviously you expanded it and have an empire now, which I think is incredible. And we just had Josh on the other day, which, we love Josh, obviously you guys love Josh too. Um, so I'm so curious, like what, like, when did you guys feel like it was really kind of shifting? And you're like, I think this is gonna be a lot bigger than I anticipated. Obviously it started as like kind of a side gig.

• 21:28Speaker 02

  I'd say, uh, it's funny to say 10 years ago, but I would say about 10 years ago.

• 21:33Drew Afualo?

  10 years ago and you guys are both 25, so that's, that's a great.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  That's right, when we were teenagers. When people who would recognize us on the street would talk about Good Mythical Morning, more than they would talk about some classic music video or sketch. We're like, oh, that person's watching Good Mythical Morning. And, and now it's 95% of the people.

• 21:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they're mythical morning. They do not play about you guys. They love y'all.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  Another thing that we do, also like this or that, but I, I think about, about 10 years ago, when, well, also when we started seeing that

• 22:11Speaker 02

  the view numbers, we would put a bunch of work into a music video. Like, it might, it might take weeks to months to fully produce everything from the music to the music video. And the view count on an episode of Good Mythical Morning was basically getting very similar numbers after like a day or two. We were like, there's something is shifting, this was not the plan, but it feels like we should lean into it.

• 22:35Drew Afualo?

  Lightning in a bottle, yeah.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  That was like 2015, 2016.

• 22:38Drew Afualo?

  Wow, that's so, that's crazy to think about in 2015, that's crazy. I was in college and at the time, so I remember distinctly. Your guys' explosion.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 22:50Speaker 03

  One of the things that comes to mind for me is

• 22:54Speaker 03

  when Post Malone came on the show.

• 22:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 22:57Speaker 03

  And then we became friends after that.

• 23:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 23:01Speaker 03

  Um, the fact that everybody in the world was listening to a guy who wanted to come on our show because he watched it all the time.

• 23:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 23:11Speaker 03

  Everyone's a fan of him and he's a fan of ours and it, it, it really took a while to wrap our heads around that.

• 23:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that is crazy to think about. I was gonna ask about that too, because I know you guys, you guys are so ingratiated in like, I feel like just the internet. Like you guys are such a pillar in the internet to me. Um, I was gonna say like, what's the, what's the coolest experience you've had since Mythical Morning has really kind of taken legs and now you guys have grown this entire thing? Like, what's been the coolest thing you guys have done so far?

• 23:40Speaker 03

  I think one of the coolest things we got to do was, um, we went on the Tonight Show.

• 23:47Drew Afualo?

  Sick.

• 23:48Speaker 03

  And we performed the first song that we ever wrote together. Which was this rap uh, about Halloween.

• 23:58Speaker 02

  This was, this was 1991 probably?

• 24:01Speaker 03

  When we, when we wrote the song.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  Naughty by Nature's OPP was really.

• 24:05Speaker 03

  You down with OPP? Yeah, you know me.

• 24:08Drew Afualo?

  Hell yeah, I'm very familiar.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's the first song we ever wrote, so we just, you down with Halloween? Yeah, you know me. But then to, like, share that story on the Tonight Show.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  Have the Roots playing.

• 24:22Speaker 03

  And then have the Roots playing.

• 24:23Drew Afualo?

  And, uh, Questlove, I'm very good friends with Questlove, he did my first book, so I'm a big Roots fan.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  He is great.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  I know, right?

• 24:29Drew Afualo?

  A genius like y'all.

• 24:31Speaker 03

  Such a surreal moment to have,

• 24:35Speaker 03

  you know, we rehearsed with them backstage and then we come out, we're doing it and.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  It was a little embarrassing to make them listen to us.

• 24:42Speaker 03

  Tongue in cheek.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  You down with Halloween? Yeah, you know me.

• 24:45Drew Afualo?

  You're all, just forgive me while we do this, but this is our very first song.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  We were in 7th grade.

• 24:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  When we came up with this.

• 24:51Drew Afualo?

  Just for perspective.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  It was a very different time.

• 24:53Drew Afualo?

  We were children.

• 24:54Speaker 03

  That was, that was, that was a pretty good one.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  I would say another one that was very surreal was last year, the microphone, our very, our first microphone from our desk and then the blindfolds that we wear on the show when we're doing a blind taste test. Were put into the Smithsonian collection.

• 25:12Drew Afualo?

  Whoa.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  And so.

• 25:14Drew Afualo?

  Me getting chills.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  And so they should be on display sometime this year.

• 25:19Drew Afualo?

  How fucking cool.

• 25:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, they said that.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  When we put them into the archive, they were like, we rotate things out of the archive onto the floor and we'll let you know it'll be the next couple of years or whatever, but we've, we've gotten word that that's gonna happen at some point. But, so we take the microphone and the blindfolds and they're like, let you walk into the archives and like, open this filing cabinet.

• 25:43Speaker 03

  Well, we gave it, we, we mailed it to them.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:46Speaker 03

  And then they took us down there to see where they had it stored before they would put it on display.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, because we couldn't touch, you can't, we couldn't touch, once it's in the archives, we can't even touch it.

• 25:55Speaker 03

  It's no longer.

• 25:56Drew Afualo?

  No longer yours.

• 25:58Speaker 03

  Is it no longer ours?

• 25:59Speaker 02

  No, no, it's no longer ours.

• 26:01Speaker 03

  It's not, it's theirs?

• 26:02Drew Afualo?

  Belongs to the Smithsonian. We signed it over?

• 26:05Speaker 02

  Yes, so.

• 26:07Speaker 03

  I mean, when you can't touch it anymore, I think that's pretty much, it ain't yours.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  They, they go, they open the door. This is like in the entertainment section.

• 26:14Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  And on the shelf, right, like eye level, is Indiana Jones's hat, the fedora from the movie.

• 26:21Drew Afualo?

  Crazy.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  And then beneath that is the puffy shirt from Seinfeld. And then beneath that is our microphone and blindfold.

• 26:29Drew Afualo?

  Damn, you're in great company.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  And I think what they do is they like.

• 26:32Speaker 03

  And the first Kermit the Frog was sitting up there.

• 26:34Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, my sister would have cried.

• 26:36Speaker 03

  He was kind of great, he was, yeah, he had eaten something bad.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  Holy shit. All the original Muppets.

• 26:42Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  They're like, okay, we're gonna kind of make this ceremonial, let's put them next to these famous things and then after they leave, let's put them in the back. I think that's how it works, but it makes you feel really special.

• 26:53Drew Afualo?

  Hell yeah, if I'm next to Kermit, hell yeah.

• 26:55Speaker 02

  If I hadn't touched anything, right? But then on the way out, just mindlessly, there's this 10-speed bike that's hanging on the wall, right next to the door.

• 27:03Speaker 03

  I think it's the one that Greg Lamont.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  No, it was Lance Armstrong.

• 27:06Speaker 03

  Who's Greg Lamont?

• 27:08Speaker 02

  Another guy.

• 27:09Drew Afualo?

  He goes, who the hell's that then?

• 27:11Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  No, actually, he probably did cheat.

• 27:13Speaker 03

  But he wasn't.

• 27:14Speaker 02

  I don't know, I don't, he, maybe he didn't.

• 27:15Speaker 03

  He's a cyclist?

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:17Speaker 03

  Oh, wow, I knew another cyclist.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  No, but it was.

• 27:20Speaker 03

  It was Greg Lamont's.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  Lance Armstrong's bike that they had taken off of the floor because, you know.

• 27:26Drew Afualo?

  Shit.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  And so anyway, so we're walking by and I just see, oh, there's a bike on the wall and I just touch the tire.

• 27:31Speaker 03

  It's like honk, honk, honk.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  And, yeah, yeah.

• 27:33Drew Afualo?

  Give it a good spin.

• 27:34Speaker 02

  I honked the bike horn.

• 27:37Speaker 02

  There was no bike horn.

• 27:38Drew Afualo?

  You said, my bad, my bad, my bad.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  And the woman says, no touching, no touching.

• 27:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  I felt a little stupid.

• 27:45Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my bad.

• 27:46Speaker 03

  They do have bike horns in the Tour de France.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  Me, I was the one who touched something. Out of the two of us, who would have been the one that would inadvertently?

• 27:52Drew Afualo?

  You're the toucher typically?

• 27:53Speaker 03

  You don't think I touched, I was touching shit though.

• 27:57Speaker 03

  I know how to touch stuff where nobody's gonna see.

• 27:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like swung the bicycle. Like, I got hold of it. I thought, this is just somebody's bike.

• 28:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they commuted to work and they hung it up.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  But then, I mean, now we're at this point where, I mean, we're so jaded. You know, you can't do it. I got a text from somebody, it's like, "You were on Jeopardy." I was like, "No, I wasn't. Trust me. You do not want to see me on Jeopardy."

• 28:23Drew Afualo?

  No, I wasn't, no, I wasn't.

• 28:24Speaker 03

  We were a question on, uh, Jeopardy.

• 28:27Drew Afualo?

  So was I. Look at us.

• 28:30Speaker 03

  It's in the contest, is it?

• 28:31Speaker 02

  It is.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  Alright, what about?

• 28:33Drew Afualo?

  I was trying to, I was trying to relate to you, like, I was trying to find community.

• 28:36Speaker 03

  What about who wants to be a millionaire?

• 28:37Drew Afualo?

  I was not on that one, no. I was not on that one, no.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  We were not a question, we were a incorrect answer. Which I think-

• 28:43Speaker 03

  We were an incorrect answer on who wants to be a millionaire.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  That's not that big of a deal.

• 28:48Drew Afualo?

  We were an incorrect answer, yeah. You weren't even the answer.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:51Drew Afualo?

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• 29:34Drew Afualo?

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• 30:16Drew Afualo?

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• 31:43Speaker 03

  You get to this point where it's like, having done the show as long as we have, and for it now to be on Netflix-

• 31:50Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 31:51Speaker 03

  Is another, it's a big milestone for us.

• 31:54Drew Afualo?

  Hell, yeah, I was gonna ask about Netflix next. Tell me about Netflix.

• 31:58Speaker 03

  Because it's, it's different when you're coming up on YouTube, you know?

• 32:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  And when you introduce yourself, I don't know how you feel about it, but if you introduce yourself as, "Well, what do you do?" "I'm a YouTuber."

• 32:09Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 32:09Speaker 03

  You know, it's, uh, if you say, "I'm a creator, I'm a YouTuber," maybe there's a, maybe there's a bit of a, "Okay, well, anybody can do that." You're not really telling me too much at this point.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  Like, my neighbor's a YouTuber.

• 32:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  My other neighbors are YouTubers.

• 32:23Drew Afualo?

  Well, everyone's an influencer now, too. Everyone, yeah, everyone's a creator, everyone, yeah, totally. There's no, there's no real, like, specificity to it anymore.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  And you don't want to be like, "Well," I, I, because I don't like to talk about what I do.

• 32:35Drew Afualo?

  Me either.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  With people I've just met, you know?

• 32:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, same.

• 32:37Speaker 02

  But if they start asking questions, I'm like, "Well, yeah, it's like, we've been doing it for a long time, and, you know, it's like..."

• 32:42Speaker 03

  I talk about the Jeopardy thing a lot.

• 32:45Drew Afualo?

  I just always drop the Jeopardy.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  Like, it's, we kind of make a TV show, but we kind of make it for the internet.

• 32:50Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 32:51Speaker 02

  Not that we decided to put the show on Netflix so we could simplify conversations with strangers.

• 32:56Drew Afualo?

  Imagine, though, if you were like, "It just makes my job description a lot easier."

• 32:59Speaker 02

  Now, I can just say, "I have a TV show. It's on YouTube and Netflix," and then, and then, then the conversation.

• 33:03Speaker 03

  It's on both of them. Now, and I, you know, we would not be here if it, if it wasn't for YouTube. You talk about how we got here. It's because no one gave us opportunities, we created opportunities ourself using YouTube as the only place that would give us the ability-

• 33:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's like the vehicle.

• 33:23Speaker 03

  To connect with an audience.

• 33:24Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 33:25Speaker 03

  And the last thing we're gonna do is abandon what we've built there.

• 33:30Drew Afualo?

  No, totally.

• 33:31Speaker 03

  So Netflix is an additional stream for us.

• 33:35Drew Afualo?

  It's enabled, yeah, more reach. Yeah.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's new, it's new. People who haven't ever watched Good Mythical Morning, maybe they've seen a thumbnail on YouTube. Maybe they don't go to, a lot of people just don't go to YouTube for their long-form entertainment. They're still using it for, how to videos are really niche things.

• 33:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 33:52Speaker 02

  They don't think about a TV show that you would watch on YouTube.

• 33:54Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  They go to a place like Netflix for that.

• 33:56Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  So, our intention is that somebody who's never really given the show a chance will give it a chance.

• 34:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 34:02Speaker 02

  Find it for the first time.

• 34:03Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 34:04Speaker 02

  And it's a net new audience.

• 34:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's incredible. I think, and I think that's wonderful, too, that you guys still revere the internet that way. I feel the same way, too, even, even moving forward in my career or moving into other forms of media. I've, like, said many times, I'm like, "I'm never gonna turn my back on the internet because the internet gave me everything I have today." Like, and just like you guys, same thing with me, like, I had to, I had to really make my own thing. Like, I kind of had to, no one was really looking for a girl to be mean to men on the internet, I just kind of did it.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:31Drew Afualo?

  And it worked out, thank God. Worked out. Now I'm talking to two legends, look at me. Worked out for me.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  A legend talking to legends, right?

• 34:39Speaker 03

  I mean, you could be a little meaner, come on.

• 34:42Drew Afualo?

  Hey, I tried, I tried. They got me. Once they gave me, once they gave me that blue checkmark, they said, "No more." They said, "Hey, hey, hey, act right, act right. I'm looking, I'm looking at you now." It was one of those. But I think, I would love to know when you guys decided to start kind of expanding the Good Mythical Morning, like, brand, like, when you guys started trying to build up more, more YouTube channels? Because I, that's something I really admire about you guys, too, um, that you guys are seeing value in other creators and wanting to, like, uplift other people on the internet that have something amazing to contribute to the ether. Like, obviously, the internet is so vast and expansive, like, we were just saying, everybody's a YouTuber, everybody's an influencer, everybody's a vlogger, everybody's something on the internet because it's so accessible. So, like, when did you guys decide to start kind of building out a little bit more?

• 35:27Drew Afualo?

  And, like, supporting other people's channels or seeing talent in other places where you're like, "Hey, I think this person has something." And I'd like to, because I think that's, that's like my goal eventually, too, is to be able to, like, um, bring up other people as well and, and in a way where I can kind of, like, foster their vision and their, like, dream of, of creating something and putting it out into the world. So, when did you guys kind of come to that decision?

• 35:50Speaker 02

  At some point, we looked at each other and we were like, "We're already old for this." Even when we started, like, we started, we were like 30.

• 36:01Drew Afualo?

  Hmm.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  And I think we had this idea that eventually people were just gonna be, gonna realize they were just watching two middle-aged white guys. And just be like, "There's a lot of those already."

• 36:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  Maybe this is an interesting angle.

• 36:16Drew Afualo?

  Valid thought to have, yeah.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  And what, like, what is, what is our legacy? What are we gonna do? Who else, in the same way that you're talking about, can we sort of have entered this world?

• 36:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and uplift.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  And foster that?

• 36:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 36:31Speaker 02

  And then it just happened really naturally with Mythical Kitchen, as a prime example, right? So, you've got Josh, who we hired to help us make a dish that we really needed some culinary expertise for, because we were literally doing something we called boiled for safety. That's what our crew did, just to make sure that we didn't die when we ate something. But there was no culinary intention to it. So, we bring Josh in to do that, and he makes us like a really gourmet burger. And then, we realized we wanted to bring him back, because we wanted to lean more into that culinary stuff on the show.

• 37:02Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  And it took a while to get in touch with him. Like, he wasn't even returning our phone calls.

• 37:07Speaker 03

  Right.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  For a while.

• 37:08Drew Afualo?

  He was a busy man.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  And then eventually, he did come on full-time, and he didn't really want to be on camera. He just saw himself as this behind-the-scenes guy. He was more of a writer and more of like a food thought leader, I think. But then, when we put him on camera, he would just turn on, and you realize how smart he is.

• 37:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  How entertaining he is.

• 37:28Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 37:28Speaker 02

  And how much he knows about his craft.

• 37:30Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:31Speaker 02

  It's like savant-level knowledge.

• 37:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and cares, too.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  And so, uh, we just were like, "Yeah, let's do some more of that."

• 37:38Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:39Speaker 02

  And then, he developed his own audience, and now, he's essentially, uh, with that team over on the Mythical Kitchen side, which is, you know, in the same building with us, and it's part of Mythical. They, they are really leading that effort and coming up with their strategy and what they want to do and who they want to reach.

• 37:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  And obviously with our support, but they have the vision for that. And so, it happened very naturally as an outgrowth from, you know, it started as a weekend show on Good Mythical Morning, then it became Mythical Kitchen, and then they developed Last Meals.

• 38:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  Um, so I would say it was, to overuse the term organic, it was very organic.

• 38:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 38:13Speaker 02

  And I think that we're very glad that that happened, and it's incredible to see the success they're having. We're not really in this, like, "How do we do that again?" I think we were in the place like that.

• 38:22Drew Afualo?

  Hmm.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  But, you know, it has to be a really special-

• 38:26Drew Afualo?

  I appreciate that about you guys. Yeah, it's not like a productivity thing, or like, "I'm gonna pump out a million channels." It's like, when you see something that you really think is special, I think that's wonderful. That you guys have that kind of discernment.

• 38:36Speaker 02

  I think some creators, uh, creators who shall not be named on this podcast, uh, I, I know for a fact people have plans to say, "I want to have the number one channel in this category."

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• 40:28Speaker 02

  This category, and this category, and this category. And it just, to me, it feels like ambition for ambition's sake.

• 40:35Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 40:35Speaker 02

  And it just feels like, I'm just doing this, like, it's the same thing that happens when you have engagement for engagement's sake.

• 40:41Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  You end up making something that has no soul.

• 40:44Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  And it may be reaching a lot of 10-year-olds.

• 40:48Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  But it's just-

• 40:50Speaker 03

  Because they don't have souls yet.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're developing their soul.

• 40:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they're developing it, and you're gonna snatch it right out.

• 40:56Speaker 02

  You're stealing it right from them.

• 40:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for real.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  And making them think that this is what they need their, they just need their lives to be about transaction and productivity.

• 41:04Drew Afualo?

  And making money.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  And making money.

• 41:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  It's kinda like every time I go into my kid's bathroom, the fan's on. I'm like, do you realize how hot it is?

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Outside, I'm trying so hard to keep it cool in here, and you're just sucking it all out through this-

• 41:21Drew Afualo?

  Goddamn fan!

• 41:22Speaker 03

  This magic pipe. Now, it needs to be on at certain points.

• 41:27Speaker 02

  At certain points, yeah.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  I got, I got two boys who share a bathroom. It needs to be on at certain points.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  It should be on all the time if you've got two boys.

• 41:34Speaker 03

  But then, well, maybe they're right.

• 41:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Maybe they're on to something, I'll correct myself then if that's what it turns out.

• 41:39Speaker 03

  I mean, they go to work and go to school, and then I'm like, don't leave the fan on all day.

• 41:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's such an old man thing to do, too. It's something your dad does when he goes to the bathroom.

• 41:47Speaker 02

  It's such an old man thing to notice it and point it out.

• 41:49Speaker 03

  I can hear it!

• 41:50Drew Afualo?

  And complain about it on the show.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  I pull up in the driveway, I can hear that. That's, that's, that's how souls are being sucked out of 10-year-olds.

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• 43:08Speaker 02

  I do think there was a point, as we began to experience some traction, where we were almost tempted, we were tempted, to be like, what can this be? And like, what does it look like to like, take on investment? And what does it look like to like, blow this thing out as big as it possibly can be? But then you start thinking like, but, what, why?

• 43:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, why is a great-

• 43:29Speaker 02

  Well, we never- What does your life become?

• 43:31Drew Afualo?

  Exactly, yeah.

• 43:32Speaker 02

  It becomes about, it just becomes about the numbers.

• 43:36Drew Afualo?

  Numbers.

• 43:36Speaker 03

  We never took on investment, but we, for, for many years, we were, we were configuring Mythical in such a way that we could, if the right opportunity came along.

• 43:51Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 43:51Speaker 03

  Because we didn't, we didn't know exactly what we were thinking about and how we felt about it, and we didn't, we didn't, and we were like, we can utilize an investment and go after bigger and better things.

• 44:04Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:05Speaker 03

  What it ended up looking like, though, was an, a widening of what Mythical offered.

• 44:12Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:13Speaker 03

  There became an incentive to, to platform other people. Yes, there's a good side of that, but then there's also this, let's broaden what Mythical means beyond just the two of us, so that we can attract more of an investment.

• 44:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  And then you start having conversations about verticals.

• 44:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 44:31Speaker 03

  And you, and you become obligated.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  I thought verticals was like, your vertical leap, you know? That's where, that's, I was in that world, you know, me and basketball.

• 44:39Drew Afualo?

  You know me, I'm a big basketball head, so-

• 44:40Speaker 02

  Although my vertical's not great.

• 44:41Drew Afualo?

  Basketball's always on the mind.

• 44:42Speaker 02

  And decreasing every year. But when, when they explain, oh no, you need to be thinking about different categories of content that could be under this umbrella.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  Then you sit, so you, we got excited about that for a little bit.

• 44:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 44:57Speaker 02

  Then you sit back and you think, wait, am I excited about that vertical? Like, does that vertical have anything to do with anything at all that I'm interested in?

• 45:05Drew Afualo?

  Right, totally.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  And, yeah, okay, maybe your, your world-

• 45:09Speaker 03

  Or maybe you can find someone else who is passionate about that vertical, and you can platform them. Again, that, that's a noble cause, but it's a particular calling.

• 45:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I agree, yeah.

• 45:19Speaker 03

  You know, if, and if, you're not asking for our advice, but-

• 45:22Drew Afualo?

  I would love advice, this is me asking for advice.

• 45:25Speaker 02

  Okay, now you are.

• 45:25Drew Afualo?

  This is me, I'm picking your brains. Because I, I do think you guys, what I love about, obviously you guys have built this empire, and that, and I mean that very literally, but I also think you guys are good people, and that's, that's something that I think is hard to find. Like, it's hard to see people who are building in a intentional and impactful way, as opposed to, like you said, compounding for the sake of numbers and money. And I call that, in the creator world, like, in this, like, kind of internet weird, in-between world of internet and Hollywood, I call that, like, being spiritually gluttonous. Like, when you feel like, I need to make anything and everything that produces, that makes money, that gets me attention, there are thousands of things I've said no to, because I'm like, for what? Why would I, why would I ever need to do that? I don't need to do that.

• 46:09Speaker 02

  And you lose your identity.

• 46:09Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 46:10Speaker 02

  When you become everything, you become nothing.

• 46:11Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 46:12Speaker 02

  So, I, I think that we, we really, I don't know if it's just that we're getting older, but we've changed our tune on that, and we're still as ambitious as we've ever been.

• 46:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  But it's about things that we are, like, naturally drawn to.

• 46:26Drew Afualo?

  Feel good about.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  And feel like, is, does this thing need to exist, first of all?

• 46:30Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  Does this thing need to exist?

• 46:32Drew Afualo?

  More people should be asking themselves that when they make content.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  And are we the ones to be making it? Is there something about us, our experience and our expertise, that actually necessitates us being the ones to make this?

• 46:41Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 46:42Speaker 02

  If we can check those two boxes, we'll do it.

• 46:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  But just doing it for the sake of it-

• 46:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 46:47Speaker 02

  That is, again, it's a soulless place.

• 46:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's, that's how I've described it, too. I actually talked to Josh a lot about that, too, when we, when we were, because I was explaining to him also on his episode that I, I love the way that he interviews and stuff. I think he's really connective, and I think you guys are like that, too. And I think that's why you guys have been able to sustain for so long, because I really do, I've, I've made this joke multiple times on the show, forgive me if I'm repeating myself, but I've said, like, in order to get to a certain level of success in this industry, I feel like you have to be a really genuinely good person, which means it will take you longer, or you have to be pure evil, and you'll get there fast. And I was like, like, literally, it will squeeze out people who are not pure evil or pure good. Like, it will squeeze them out, and I was like, because that's the only way you survive.

• 47:34Drew Afualo?

  You have to, like, get there the right way, or get there the evil way. There's only two ways up. So, I was like, and then, but the good way just takes you longer. And like, even like, I mean, even with the world of TikTok, like, I, I blew up in TikTok around like 2021-ish, but I was old in TikTok years. The TikTok years, I was 1,000 years old when I started. I'm 30 now, but like, at the time, I was like 24, 25. Everybody was 16.

• 47:57Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 47:58Drew Afualo?

  So, I, I did feel the same way, and it was one of those where I was like, okay, I like this, I don't like these things, so I'm not even gonna bother trying to do this stuff, it doesn't bring me joy, I don't think I'm the one who should be doing it. Like, I make a joke all the time that I can't sing, but if I could, I would've put out, like, three EPs by now, if I could. If I could've, I would be wreaking havoc on the music industry. But I can't, and I'm not even gonna try, because I can't sing. So, it's like, one of those things where, I don't need to do it just because I now have the platform, and that's why I think you guys are so wonderful in terms of how you've built. I talked to Brittany about it a lot, actually, because I know you guys love Brittany, like I love Brittany. But I'm like, I really do look up to you guys in that regard, because I, one of my goals eventually is to, is to be able to platform other people and be able to make

• 48:42Drew Afualo?

  the art that they wanna make, and that I feel passionate about, too. But maybe I'm not the best voice, like you were saying, maybe I'm not the person to make it, but I can help put you there, so you can make it. And I, I would love advice. I know you guys were in the middle of, of trying to give me advice, I would love advice, about how to build so intentionally. Like, how did you guys, did you guys just, like, was there a lot of, like, kind of hits and misses, or was it kind of like, you guys were just locked in together and you're able to make it happen? Like, how, how did you guys kind of get to that point, where you felt like, okay, I think this is the way I wanna build? Like, was it just naturally-

• 49:15Speaker 02

  We tried a lot of things, it didn't work, for sure.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  I think, I think we've always been- Locked in in terms of with each other, in terms of

• 49:24Drew Afualo?

  Vision.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  Where we're headed and what we're, we get alignment on what it is we're going after. And I think it's, it's always been important for us to have things that we are going after.

• 49:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 49:37Speaker 03

  Um, and being on the same page about that.

• 49:40Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 49:41Speaker 03

  So we, we've had the advantage of the support structure of this, you know, this longstanding relationship. We're like an old married couple. Like, you know, we've got this.

• 49:52Drew Afualo?

  You guys are work wives.

• 49:53Speaker 03

  Yes, well, yeah, we'll, we'll bicker and we know how to push each other's buttons and we know way too much behind everything that, everything he's saying today, I know everything behind it.

• 50:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for real.

• 50:04Speaker 03

  It's a 40% bullshit.

• 50:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  Forty percent?

• 50:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 50:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just, I, I'm sorry. I just gotta break it to you.

• 50:11Drew Afualo?

  Noted.

• 50:12Speaker 03

  Um, I think it's been really important that we've had each other and that we've stayed in as, as lockstep as possible.

• 50:22Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 50:22Speaker 03

  Moving forward and yeah, you're right. The target's always moving, the thing that we're going after. I mean, we're, we are extremely passionate about Good Mythical Morning.

• 50:33Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 50:34Speaker 03

  We're extremely excited about continuing to shape what that show is becoming.

• 50:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 50:41Speaker 03

  We think of it as something that is constantly evolving.

• 50:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's like living, breathing.

• 50:45Speaker 03

  Talking about as our, like, growing up with our audience.

• 50:48Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 50:49Speaker 03

  That's a part of it. When it comes to that, we work very hard to remain engaged creatively with the show. Because it is the engine from which we're able to drive towards all the other things we're trying to do.

• 51:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 51:05Speaker 03

  All the other projects that we're hatching or working on that we're not even able to talk about yet. The fact that we have a backlog of all of those passion projects.

• 51:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 51:16Speaker 03

  That Good Mythical Morning enables. It's a balance of working on Good Mythical Morning in a way that rewards us and gives us enough time to invest in the other things that we are passionate about and want to go after.

• 51:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 51:28Speaker 03

  Now, in the past, talk about investing in other creators and kind of what you're thinking.

• 51:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 51:36Speaker 03

  There's a cost to anything you invest in, right? There's a, you know, you can only do so much.

• 51:42Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:42Speaker 03

  And as you build a team, sometimes you can see that you, you have the capabilities to do things. And then you can wield the capabilities of a team to go after things with, like, with less involvement from you.

• 51:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 51:56Speaker 03

  Um, but still, when it comes to, um, like platforming all the creators and what they want to go after.

• 52:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 52:05Speaker 03

  It's, you have to figure out how much you want to be involved and how, and then how much, because you don't want to spread yourself too thin.

• 52:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 52:14Speaker 03

  It's, it's that simple. I think for us, you know, we have literally invested in other creators.

• 52:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 52:21Speaker 03

  In, in the past and we're, we still have an interest and we're still supporting those creators that we've invested in.

• 52:27Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:28Speaker 03

  We invested in Smosh at a time when it, it, they could have gone away, but we kind of kept them going. And, and we didn't know we were biding our time to then be able to hand it back over to Ian and Anthony at the same time. And they're absolutely flourishing without any involvement from us, which is, we're ecstatic about that.

• 52:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  But it's not something that we want to continue to do at this point in our careers because with our level of capacity.

• 52:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 53:00Speaker 03

  We are really focused on the things that we want to create. And we've learned, having invested in other creators and platforming other creators in different ways, that like, okay, this is not the season for us for that now, because we've experienced the, the amount of work that it does take.

• 53:19Drew Afualo?

  That's such a good point.

• 53:20Speaker 02

  If you want to do it right and you want to give people what they actually deserve and the support that they need.

• 53:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 53:26Speaker 02

  And it's going to take something from you.

• 53:27Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  And if you've already got the, a show that is.

• 53:35Speaker 00

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• 54:08Speaker 01

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• 54:43Speaker 02

  You know, in our case, coming out Monday through Friday, most of the year.

• 54:47Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:48Speaker 02

  Uh, which in and of itself could be, it should be maybe if you talk to our wives a full-time.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  But then you also want to do other stuff.

• 54:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 54:57Speaker 02

  Uh, that you're very passionate about. It just becomes this equation of, okay, we want to make sure that these things that we are doing are good and that they're like, they bring life.

• 55:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  You know?

• 55:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 55:11Speaker 02

  And when you start looking at something and it feels like, oh, this has become an obligation, not something that brings joy and brings

• 55:17Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  real life, that feels like it's coming from a place, and again, this is all a very like, highly privileged position to be able to have a conversation and be like, just follow your passions, right?

• 55:28Drew Afualo?

  Right, yeah.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  Because I think that that in a lot of ways can be, a lot of people give that advice to, to young creators or young people and it's just like, I mean, this is a tough world to follow your passions and when you need to just make a dollar.

• 55:39Drew Afualo?

  Right, for real.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  But to be in a situation where you're privileged and a lot of things have worked out and we're okay financially, uh, we do have the privilege to say like, what, what are we passionate about? And to ask that question, like, what do we need to be doing?

• 55:53Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  What do we want to be doing?

• 55:55Drew Afualo?

  No, totally. I think that's a wonderful way.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  That.

• 55:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like the balance of it. Like, how do you guys, that was my next question, so it's a perfect segue. It's like, how do you guys balance, like, in terms of how do you reset? Because when I talk to creatives a lot on this show too, like Alana Glazer, when I had her on, she was telling me, like, when I got pregnant, I was like, this is my time to take time off because like, I had just done Broad City, I had done like, all of these specials. I was like, just really at the top of my game, but like, in order to be a creative, I have to go live life and I have to go like, experience life. I can't just work all the time.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:25Drew Afualo?

  So she was like, so I took like, a year to like, have my baby and like, be with my family and be present. And then I had all kinds of new jokes. I had all kinds of new things to refill my cup. So I guess my question is, how do you guys refill? Like, what do you, what do you guys like to do? I know you were telling me you just took a little break. So how do you guys refill? Because that's been probably one of my bigger issues is balance. Um, because I feel like very aligned with y'all in the way of like, this is like, I'm going to move, I'm going to move on this and if there's something here. And I, I do have a very, very intense work ethic, which I think you need in this industry especially.

• 56:59Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 56:59Drew Afualo?

  In the topic of content creation, like, you really do, it is like a shark mentality, like, if I stop swimming, I'll die.

• 57:05Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:05Drew Afualo?

  But then like, I'll die too if I just keep swimming forever.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 57:08Drew Afualo?

  So it is one of those, like, what, what do you guys do to refill, like, your cup? How are you guys doing balance? Because I would love advice on that too. I would love advice on balance.

• 57:16Speaker 03

  I think we've tried to have our cake and eat it too.

• 57:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 57:21Speaker 03

  In terms of, um, banking episodes.

• 57:25Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 57:26Speaker 03

  Of Good Mythical Morning.

• 57:27Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 57:27Speaker 03

  Like, we'll, we'll take a longer break for the summer.

• 57:30Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:31Speaker 03

  And, but then leading up to it, our team has engineered the production schedule so that we can just have more sitting in the can.

• 57:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 57:40Speaker 03

  For good, we have Good Mythical Summer, which instead of doing five days a week, we go down to Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

• 57:45Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:46Speaker 03

  And then on either end of that, we'll take, I think, a week or two break, um, from releasing the show.

• 57:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  But it's just, we've cranked out a more than we normally would in order to afford the ability to take off. And then if I, you know, I, I try to be disciplined and not look at my phone when I'm, when I'm off, but I know that the show's still coming out.

• 58:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 58:09Speaker 03

  And so we have that luxury with the way that the show is produced.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:13Drew Afualo?

  You guys have gotten to that point where you can kind of work around breaks.

• 58:17Speaker 03

  But it was absolutely important to, I mean, whenever we decided that we wanted to take a longer break during the summer.

• 58:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 58:24Speaker 03

  We told the team at le, it might have been a year ahead of actually doing it.

• 58:30Drew Afualo?

  Oh, nice.

• 58:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:32Drew Afualo?

  You got a plan, planners.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  Well, because our schedule is mostly determined a year out.

• 58:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, mine too.

• 58:38Speaker 02

  And so, yeah, so first of all, that's important.

• 58:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 58:41Speaker 02

  Because you want to minimize the number of decisions that you are making. Like, the days of when us coming in, like, we, when we got started, we would come into the office, it was just the two of us. And if you didn't feel like working, you might be like, let's just go see a movie, man.

• 58:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 58:58Speaker 02

  You know what? That was great, that was great. But those days don't exist anymore.

• 59:01Drew Afualo?

  Not anymore, no.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  You know, and so, and I think that, that's something, and that you're already there. People who are starting out think that like, this is, uh, it's easy, it's fun and it's, it's a privilege.

• 59:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  It's not easy.

• 59:13Drew Afualo?

  I agree, I'd say the same thing. I was like, this is not, and you know what? I do, I will say I'm grateful that I did, started doing this when I was older, because I had normal jobs before this. I, I went to college. Yeah, I've, I've worked every fucking job you can think of. I've had very, I've lived paycheck to paycheck, I've lived on my own, I've like, I was so glad I was like, nor, a normal adult before I started doing this. Because then it does give you that perspective of like, it is extremely difficult, but I could be doing shit I hate and I'm doing something I love. So it like, really does give you a better work ethic.

• 59:46Speaker 02

  Which that's a, that means that you aligned your passion.

• 59:48Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  I think we, we'll sit down, uh, with Jenna, who handles, handles our schedule.

• 59:54Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:55Speaker 02

  And we'll look at, like, she's got it all color-coded, like, there's a physical version that we look at, then there's the digital version.

• 1:00:01Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I love a type A woman on my team.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  And you can look at it and you, like, oh, this is what we've signed up for.

• 1:00:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  And it's like, why are we doing that?

• 1:00:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  Because I, I can look at that day on a calendar.

• 1:00:14Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  And I can imagine what that day is going to feel like.

• 1:00:18Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  And so you you begin to develop a real connection between what you've signed yourself up for and what living through that life. Just being really in touch with that. And just beginning, like we always, every year we come back and we're just like, alright, what can we change? What can we not do? What do we need to set aside time for? Like, again, we've got a project that we just keep teasing with our fans, like the thing that we've that we've worked on that we can't talk about yet that will be something that we talk about a lot in the future. But the fact that we were able to do that, given the amount of time that it took and is continuing to take. And still not feel like we're going nuts.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  Is just a result of really aggressive scheduling where you look ahead and you make hard decisions.

• 1:01:07Drew Afualo?

  And a competent team. Like you need a really good team, like and and it's and a big team, like I'm sure you guys have a huge team. Sometimes when I've talked to people who are like newer to the world, um, I'm always like, who's on your team? Who do you have? Like you, you need a team, like I, I think sometimes especially younger people now when they get really big on like TikTok. They're like, well, I don't want a team because they take like commissions out of what you make. And I was like, okay, well, I'd rather have ninety percent of something than a hundred percent of nothing. And like you do, you do need a team like that. Yeah, they need to be paid and compensated for working with you, but it does. I think like over time it it, you'll be thankful that you have like a really good, solid team. So I'm gonna take that. Do you guys schedule in vacation? I've just recently started doing that.

• 1:01:51Drew Afualo?

  Last couple of years, I've been like, I need time off, like we're like literally I lay horizontal and nobody bothers me. I don't look at the internet. I don't do anything.

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  It took us a while to get there.

• 1:02:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's what I'm, that's why I'm asking.

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  But we've started, uh, taking like an extended break during the summer where we are technically off. There's still things that will.

• 1:02:12Drew Afualo?

  You guys can't help it, but be like plugged in a little.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  This is a little bit of an emergency situation and we need to your feedback or whatever. But essentially taking some time off and forcing ourselves to just do the things that we're interested in. And not think about content and not think about that. Again, we talked about like the version of yourself that you have created.

• 1:02:34Drew Afualo?

  And everybody's familiar with.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  And it's like, if you, like, sometimes you can begin to lose perspective and you begin to think that you are the person that they all.

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  And so then everything that you do seems like it could be content.

• 1:02:52Speaker 03

  Is that why I've gotten dumber?

• 1:02:55Drew Afualo?

  It's brain rot. I have it too.

• 1:02:56Speaker 02

  I think that, you know, I don't use Twitter anymore, really.

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  There was a, there was a time in which you, if you, if I had a funny thought. I might think, well, this could be a tweet.

• 1:03:10Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 1:03:11Speaker 02

  And that is a, I mean, some people are really good at managing that, but when you get to this point where your thoughts could be content. And you're like, I could have just thought a funny thing or said it to my wife or to Link or whoever I was with at the time. And it was just, it just lives in the moment and it is what it is. But then what happens is, oh, my dog is doing something cute. That could be an Instagram story. How about your dog just does something cute and that in and of itself is an experience.

• 1:03:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:03:41Speaker 02

  Right? And I just think that it's hard. It's really hard to do, but the fact that we're kind of both bad at social media.

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  Lives outside of us that someone else is managing. So. I told Jesse this when we were on vacation. I was like, the very ambitious, uh, person in me gets antsy when I'm on vacation. And I think I'm not doing enough and like what we're gonna fall behind. And then I'm like, yeah, but like you posted like six social media posts today. I did, I didn't, but I am on the internet in many different ways and somebody else did it. I'm not thinking about it.

• 1:04:17Drew Afualo?

  That's very true.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  I think that's like you, you make, you sever that connection with that and you just be yourself and then you've got a great team that's making sure that you are. Present in the way that you need to be in order to continue to be successful in this.

• 1:04:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's so true. I've, I feel like too with me, like one of the many things I've said no to a thousand times and that does not stop them from asking me is reality TV. To follow me, I think it's because I'm perceived as a bitch online. So they're like, this would be awesome on TV. So I'm always like, no, like from the very beginning with no team at all. I was like, no, I don't want to do that. And, uh, they were like, why? And I was like, that's the last thing I have is like my home. Like you're, you're gonna come in my home. I was like, what if I just want to sit on the couch and scratch my ass? Yeah, they're like, wait, wait, wait, right there. Let me mic you. I, I was like, the thought of that makes me feel suffocated.

• 1:05:08Speaker 03

  Where does that mic go, by the way?

• 1:05:11Drew Afualo?

  For real, that's what I'm saying.

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  On the hand or on the ass.

• 1:05:13Drew Afualo?

  Watch, they'll literally add Foley in probably of me scratching something. I was like, I just don't think I need to be seen that much. It's like, I think whatever it is I put out should be from me or I should know about it. I don't like the thought of someone recording me twenty-four seven. I feel like it, it does start to make me feel like what you were describing, which is like, it makes me feel not like a real human. So when I'm like feeling overwhelmed by the internet, I'll, I'll like have what I call normal human people time, which is like, I just don't go online. And I do things that I did before I did this without having to think like, oh, I might have to, what if I posted this or what if I took a picture of this? Like that kind of disease I also had too in the beginning where I was very like, I feel like I need to constantly.

• 1:05:56Drew Afualo?

  And it's because when I first started, I posted one video a day, every day for two years straight. So like I just did it. I did it because I wanted to, but I was also at the same time, I'm like, well, I have to be productive. I have to stay like top of mind. Kind of deal. And then that started killing me. And I was like, okay, I can't do, I can't do this anymore. And then I had to like almost wean off of it, like you were saying, where like, okay, I haven't posted for like four days and it's that bad. Like, will they forget about me? That kind of thing. Um, I am working on it. I'm working on deprogramming from it.

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  And you're already doing this, but I, I, I think a, a lesson that we learned. If you go back and you look at our social media handles, whether it's Instagram or TikTok or whatever, and you go back four or five years. There was this period where we were trying to make content that was specifically for those platforms. And we didn't know what we were doing. We made a lot of cringy videos and then it just hit us one day. We were like, we put so much content out every single day.

• 1:06:55Drew Afualo?

  On multiple platforms.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  That like, if you just take Good Mythical Morning, Good Mythical More, and you say, that is your output on a given day. And there's so many.

• 1:07:06Speaker 03

  Forty minutes.

• 1:07:07Speaker 02

  And there's all these moments that happened in that content that could become a great social media. This seems like just, I mean, this like the whole clipping thing. This seems obvious. It wasn't obvious to us until we realized that we were making this show that put all this effort. And then we were coming up with some dumb sketch to put on TikTok or Instagram. And they were just like, let's just make this show, make it as good as we possibly can and then say to our team, you guys find the best moments and package them in the best possible way.

• 1:07:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, just clip them, yeah.

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  It works better for our social media. Feels like a more cohesive universe. But we're also not like, alright, let's, let's, we would take a day and make like twelve short form videos in a day.

• 1:07:49Drew Afualo?

  I saw, I saw someone say that when I first started posting videos, they were like, oh, I post like twelve to fifteen TikToks a day. And that's how I.

• 1:07:58Speaker 03

  We didn't post them every day, but we would bank them.

• 1:08:01Drew Afualo?

  That's just crazy.

• 1:08:02Speaker 03

  For us, it was, we were, yeah, we were an entire day. What else could we do with that day besides just make one-off TikToks that aren't strategic for what we, how we actually want to express ourselves?

• 1:08:14Drew Afualo?

  Right. And they're not aligned with what you guys are wanting to.

• 1:08:18Speaker 02

  Us and our ideas. It was, it was just like, oh, guys, here's a trend. Let's put these two middle-aged dudes. Doing this trend. And it's like the fact that we're three months late to the trend.

• 1:08:31Drew Afualo?

  Like a middle-aged white guy would be.

• 1:08:32Speaker 02

  It's very obvious that we have no idea what we're doing.

• 1:08:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, we were on brand. Don't get me wrong.

• 1:08:37Speaker 02

  That became.

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  They're always late. Yes, that's the way our, that, this whole system works. Like, why are we doing this?

• 1:08:46Drew Afualo?

  Okay, I do have some fun facts about you. Y'all, or both you, y'all will let me know if they're fun. Um, and if not, I do put a strike against Amanda if you guys say they're not fun. Her job's on the brink.

• 1:08:58Speaker 02

  Not whether or not they're facts.

• 1:09:00Drew Afualo?

  No, just whether or not they're fun. Yeah. Um, okay, this one says that you once jointly owned a nineteen ninety-two Ford Bronco as a quote, company vehicle and for camping.

• 1:09:12Drew Afualo?

  According to my taxes, it was a company vehicle.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  It was very fun.

• 1:09:15Speaker 03

  That was very fun until we're on the side of a mountain and it won't start. And we have to use a screwdriver in the ignition to get down the mountain.

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  It was actually putting a screwdriver into the ignition and hitting it with a hammer.

• 1:09:33Drew Afualo?

  What kind of jalopy were you guys driving?

• 1:09:40Speaker 02

  While you were going.

• 1:09:41Drew Afualo?

  I do love a ninety-two Bronco though.

• 1:09:43Speaker 02

  Like you're, you're going sixty-five, because I don't think you could get to seventy, sixty-five miles per hour down the highway and it would just shut off.

• 1:09:51Drew Afualo?

  Just like completely?

• 1:09:53Speaker 02

  And that would, you would lose power steering.

• 1:09:57Drew Afualo?

  Scary as hell.

• 1:09:59Speaker 02

  To crank it back up while going full speed.

• 1:10:04Drew Afualo?

  Get the hammer.

• 1:10:07Speaker 02

  Ben, our director, who's worked for us forever, he bought that.

• 1:10:12Drew Afualo?

  He bought the Bronco off you guys?

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  I think for like four hundred dollars.

• 1:10:15Drew Afualo?

  Damn, he got a steal too.

• 1:10:17Speaker 03

  I think we had a, yeah, it ran for two months.

• 1:10:20Drew Afualo?

  And he said, ah, sorry, final sale. No refunds. Okay, this one says you met in first grade when you both had to stay in during recess for writing swear words on your desk. What were the swear words?

• 1:10:33Speaker 02

  Well, the truth is, we don't remember, but we have, we've said that it was damn in hell because.

• 1:10:39Speaker 03

  We weren't capable of worse than that.

• 1:10:42Drew Afualo?

  At the time.

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  Although when I was five years old, I lived out here. So like from three, four and five, I lived out here.

• 1:10:49Drew Afualo?

  How interesting.

• 1:10:49Speaker 02

  And there was a neighbor named Rochelle. And she was probably twelve at the time. And she, one day she leaned into my ear and she was like, have you ever heard of the word fuck?

• 1:11:07Drew Afualo?

  Oh, what kind of ominous whisper.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  And I was like.

• 1:11:10Speaker 03

  Is this a proposition?

• 1:11:10Drew Afualo?

  I know, I was gonna say.

• 1:11:12Speaker 02

  No, but I'll never, I'll never forget that. I did know about fuck when I was five.

• 1:11:19Drew Afualo?

  Technically, I did know.

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  But I would never have written it.

• 1:11:21Drew Afualo?

  No, there's no way. You're too, you're too pure of heart and spirit, both of you.

• 1:11:25Speaker 03

  But still fun.

• 1:11:26Drew Afualo?

  But still very fun. Okay, this one says, as teenagers, you were both members of a punk rock band called The Wax Paper Dogs.

• 1:11:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, with a Z.

• 1:11:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I see that, Paper Dogs with a Z. And what instruments did you guys play? I'm so curious.

• 1:11:40Speaker 03

  We were both, we were dual lead singers.

• 1:11:45Drew Afualo?

  You guys are conjoined twins who just do the same thing?

• 1:11:48Speaker 02

  We started as dual lead singers and then me, because I have, you know, I have.

• 1:11:53Speaker 03

  Self-awareness.

• 1:11:54Speaker 02

  The shame reflex.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  I was like, I, somebody's gotta play guitar. I know it's not gonna be Link, so.

• 1:12:00Speaker 03

  We already had a guitarist.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  I started playing guitar, so now I play guitar.

• 1:12:04Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 1:12:05Speaker 02

  And then you did play the tambourine in that band.

• 1:12:07Speaker 03

  Hey.

• 1:12:08Drew Afualo?

  Ooh, and a lead singer, period.

• 1:12:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you need a little tambourine if you're a lead singer.

• 1:12:12Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, that little shoulder shimmy?

• 1:12:14Speaker 02

  The only punk rock band in the county that had a tambourine.

• 1:12:19Drew Afualo?

  And that's what sets you apart. You knew. You were like, we need something different about us. I'm gonna get a tambourine. I like how you started as dual lead singers, though. You're like, let's try it. Okay, we'll see, and then we'll see who's better and then who's not.

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  No dances, though.

• 1:12:31Drew Afualo?

  No, I don't see that in your guys' future, no. That's, that's not shocking to hear, I'll say that. This one says, you were both inducted into the North Carolina State Chapter of the Order of the Engineer, where members are given rings to, quote, "wear on the pinky finger of the working hand."

• 1:12:48Speaker 02

  As you can see.

• 1:12:49Drew Afualo?

  Ringless.

• 1:12:50Speaker 02

  We do not currently wear the.

• 1:12:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, this one's not as fun. When you get to the pinky ring.

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  Why's it gotta be a pinky ring?

• 1:12:58Drew Afualo?

  You guys aren't rocking with a pinky ring?

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  That doesn't sound like a.

• 1:13:00Drew Afualo?

  Not from the Order of the Engineer?

• 1:13:02Speaker 03

  But we both have engineering degrees, yeah, so that's.

• 1:13:04Drew Afualo?

  Period. I know that. And you know what? That also makes perfect sense, because you both are extremely smart, and everyone who's an engineer is always very smart. But you guys are far more social than a lot of engineers I meet.

• 1:13:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:15Drew Afualo?

  I have met.

• 1:13:16Speaker 02

  Working very hard.

• 1:13:17Drew Afualo?

  I used to do, I used to, my mom was in PR for years. When I graduated from college, I couldn't get a job in the field I wanted, so I went to PR. And when I did that, my mom worked with engineers, because I, I always say, like, I did outreach for a major infrastructure projects, which basically means, any sort of major construction, I was the girl going to your door and letting you know, your commute's gonna suck for the next probably 25 years. Do you wanna get emails about it? That was, that was my job, so all I did was interact with engineers and stuff like that, and so they are extremely smart, but not very social. So you guys are very social compared to most engineers.

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  But we're not very good engineers.

• 1:13:57Drew Afualo?

  And maybe that's why. God doesn't give with both hands. They were like, I'm gonna give you this unbelievable talent and empire, but no engineering. Don't go into engineering. Okay, last fun fact. In high school, Link ate a worm to impress a girl, and Rhett drew a detailed comic book style picture of it.

• 1:14:16Speaker 03

  I think I still have this picture.

• 1:14:18Speaker 02

  And it was, to be clear, it was a worm's anus.

• 1:14:21Drew Afualo?

  Have to make that clear.

• 1:14:22Speaker 03

  Well, because we were, we were dissecting the worms.

• 1:14:26Drew Afualo?

  In, in class.

• 1:14:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  So this worm had been.

• 1:14:29Speaker 03

  And so we had to identify the anus.

• 1:14:31Speaker 02

  Formaldehyde, or however you say that.

• 1:14:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:33Speaker 02

  Which is a poison.

• 1:14:35Drew Afualo?

  Right. And you said, I know what'll get her. She was cute.

• 1:14:39Speaker 02

  I had a way of, I wish I still, I'm not a good collector.

• 1:14:43Speaker 03

  I just swallowed it like a pill, dude.

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  It really wasn't that impressive.

• 1:14:46Speaker 03

  She dared me.

• 1:14:47Speaker 02

  But for some reason, I did have a tendency to create comic book, like, maybe it's just one panel of moments that happened with you, with me, and our friends, like.

• 1:15:00Speaker 03

  Mostly me. I was your muse.

• 1:15:02Speaker 02

  Something notable, I would like create like a story, and I'm such a bad collector. I should have given all of those to you.

• 1:15:07Speaker 03

  I have it. I do think I have it.

• 1:15:08Speaker 02

  Okay, good.

• 1:15:09Drew Afualo?

  Okay, period. A comic book style picture of you eating a worm. Did, did it impress the girl?

• 1:15:14Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:15:16Drew Afualo?

  She said, dude, I dare you. Yuck.

• 1:15:18Speaker 03

  I mean, the fact that we are still talking about it all these decades later.

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  That's impressive.

• 1:15:23Speaker 03

  Mission accomplished.

• 1:15:24Drew Afualo?

  Hey, she still lives. I wonder if she knows it's her. Do you think she knows that she's the girl you talk about? I tried to impress her.

• 1:15:29Speaker 03

  I don't even remember who it was. In biology class?

• 1:15:35Drew Afualo?

  I think you guys were lighting oil lamps at the time. Do you remember?

• 1:15:40Drew Afualo?

  Couldn't see her, it was too dim in there, probably. You guys are working by candlelight, that's probably why.

• 1:15:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't remember who it was. It was like, there was a girl behind me. I have to impress her.

• 1:15:50Speaker 02

  And that's the first thing that came to your mind.

• 1:15:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I know what I'll do. I'll eat this worm's anus, and I'm taking her home, let me tell you. Well, you're at the end of our fun facts. Did you guys enjoy them?

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  Yes. All very fun.

• 1:16:03Drew Afualo?

  I'm so glad. I do have to wrap now. They are telling me I have to wrap you. But I do wanna ask one last, actually, no, I don't wanna ask, because I've asked so many questions and I'm talking too much.

• 1:16:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, just tell us something.

• 1:16:13Drew Afualo?

  I do wanna tell you something.

• 1:16:14Speaker 02

  Okay, yes.

• 1:16:15Drew Afualo?

  I think that you both are so, just paramount to the space. I think you guys are incredible, and I think what you guys have built is so admirable to me. Like, the way you guys have moved in the industry, I find just so inspiring, because I think that I can tell, like I said earlier, the intentionality you guys put behind, how you guys build. And obviously, the content you put out is so hilarious and so fun, and it's impactful in many ways. But I think the way you guys have grown over the years really inspires me and how I wanna run my business. And I think, obviously, on the entertainment side, you guys are evergreen, in my opinion. You guys are so, so fun and so informed.

• 1:16:56Drew Afualo?

  And I think there needs to be more white men like you guys in the space. And I mean that very literally. Non-evil white men in the space is rare. And the fact that you guys are still here and you're still doing it, and you guys care about such, like, your activism too is also so inspiring to me, both of you. And so I do, activism is a huge part of my platform as well, and it's like at the forefront of a lot of the stuff I do. And I feel like people like you existing in the space and doing so well now, and then working with Netflix and, you know, expanding your empire even bigger, really makes me believe that I can continue to hold my morals and everything front-facing and not be afraid of it detracting from my career in any way. So I wanna thank you guys for continuing to put that at the front.

• 1:17:39Drew Afualo?

  I think that's incredible, and I think what you guys build and everything you have built, you have earned. And I think you guys are amazing, and I can't wait to see you guys keep being huge giants in the space. Like, it's, it brings me a lot of hope that there are good white men existing in entertainment.

• 1:17:55Drew Afualo?

  It brings me a lot of hope.

• 1:17:57Speaker 03

  We really appreciate you saying that. I hate to burst your bubble, but it, but it is because of two wonderful women.

• 1:18:03Drew Afualo?

  And, period. And that's on there too, and that's exactly why I like you guys. Period.

• 1:18:08Speaker 02

  We're only doing this, we're, literally, we're only doing this because the first time we ever like entertained a crowd as adults, it was at a friend's rehearsal dinner, and we like sang a song about him. And we get into the car afterwards with Jesse and Christie, and.

• 1:18:30Speaker 03

  Who we were dating at the time.

• 1:18:32Speaker 02

  I think, no, you had married.

• 1:18:33Speaker 03

  That's right. Christian and I were newlyweds.

• 1:18:35Speaker 02

  And I was engaged to Jesse, because Greg got married in the middle of it.

• 1:18:38Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:18:39Speaker 02

  And then they were like, y'all, and they did say y'all, definitely.

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  Y'all need to do something with this. And it felt like it was a, it was permission to be like, you can go after this. We know that, we don't know what kind of life that will create and what kind of instability, instability that will create, but.

• 1:18:57Speaker 03

  But when you come home, you better not be different. And I think that's.

• 1:19:02Drew Afualo?

  And as soon as you are, we're cutting it off no more.

• 1:19:04Speaker 03

  That's really, that, I mean, we're, we're grounded because of them and a lot more, but.

• 1:19:09Drew Afualo?

  And I think that's amazing, and I believe you, first of all, but also I think it's wonderful to see white men use privilege for good. It's a good thing. Sometimes you guys can do good things.

• 1:19:22Drew Afualo?

  Thank you guys so much for coming on the show. I fucking love y'all. You guys are amazing. I adore you. And again, for maybe the one or two people that have no idea who you are, which would be insane, where can everybody find you?

• 1:19:34Speaker 03

  Good Mythical Morning on YouTube and now Netflix.

• 1:19:37Drew Afualo?

  Netflix, very exciting. Thank you all so much for joining us on this episode of the comment section. Thank you so much to my amazing guests, Rhett and Link, you guys already know. Good Mythical Morning, of course you do, there's no way that you don't. Don't forget, new episodes of the comment section drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms, but the video lives for free and exclusively on our favorite platform, YouTube. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much to my amazing guests, and I'll see you next week. Bye.

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