DOING BLASPHEMY Ft. Caleb Hearon | Episode 171

We have our first 3-timer guest on the show this week, team… Caleb Hearon is BACK! Drew and Caleb join forces in New York to talk dessert crawls, beefing with flight attendants, unacceptable theater chairs, having a dumb phone, Caleb’s frat era, leafy greens, Caleb’s Cagematch improv history gets unearthed, and so much more. Caleb Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/calebsaysthings/ Caleb Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@calebsaysthings https://www.tiktok.com/@calebsaysthings?lang=en Follow The Comment Section on IG! https://www.instagram.com/thecommentsection/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:59Speaker 02

  At a group dinner, people say the weirdest shit. They're like, "Well, we should get like a yummy green crunch, right? Like, we need like a crunchy, like a yummy green with a crunch, right?"

• 1:08Drew Afualo?

  Who the fuck are you getting dinner with?

• 1:11Speaker 02

  Is that white people? Did I say something to white people on accident?

• 1:14Drew Afualo?

  Or is it skinny people, white and skinny?

• 1:15Speaker 02

  Which is it? In the comments, tell me, if you're white and skinny, tell me which part of you says shit like that.

• 1:26Drew Afualo?

  Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show, starring me, your babe, everybody knows me, who cares about me. Onto the guest today. We have a ghost that's haunting me at this fucking point. The one and only Caleb Hearon.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Girl.

• 1:41Drew Afualo?

  The bitches are gonna freak out.

• 1:43Speaker 02

  We need to talk.

• 1:44Drew Afualo?

  Let's.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  About where we are right now.

• 1:45Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  We are at the Spotify offices, okay? Now, tell me why there's 17 addresses. I'm getting emails going, "Hey, you're going to this building, but you're gonna wanna put in this building if you're Ubering, these are the train stops." Then I go, I show up at one office building. It's not the right office building. Man turns me away. Then I go to what's it, an H&M. I end up at an H&M. I'm in a shopping center.

• 2:05Drew Afualo?

  You're listening to house music.

• 2:06Speaker 02

  I'm listening to house music at H&M with the thin people. I am in a museum of thin people.

• 2:12Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 2:12Speaker 02

  At H and M, then I have to speak with a police officer. I went up to a member of the NYPD and shout out.

• 2:17Drew Afualo?

  And that's how you know it's bad.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  That's when you know things are bad. If I'm talking to the cops, something has gone wrong. And I said, hey, I'm looking for Spotify. He said, oh, yeah, classic. Then he sends me around the corner. I go up to the welcome desk. I go, hey, guy shakes my hand. I go, okay. I go, hell, yeah. Hey, sir, I'm going to Spotify. He goes, they have their own desk. I go, of course they do.

• 2:37Drew Afualo?

  No, perfect.

• 2:38Speaker 02

  I go to the Spotify desk. I do a retina scan. I give my pronouns. They made me give my pronouns. I give my pronouns, my political affiliation, my social. They take a picture of me on three little cameras. They send me to an elevator where I'm not allowed to press the buttons.

• 2:51Drew Afualo?

  Do they ask if you're an organ donor too?

• 2:52Speaker 02

  Basically, and they insist, and then they send me up and the elevator sends me up. I don't get to push buttons. Then I get to Spotify. I have to give my pronouns again. I give my pronouns to people working a desk. I'm ripping jokes to them. I said, you guys run this shit like the Navy, huh? I said, this is fucking ridiculous.

• 3:06Drew Afualo?

  It's a treasure map.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  Weapons. It's a treasure map. And then one of the, one of the people working here, God love them, I go, I go, God, you guys run this like fucking Fort Knox? And she goes, yeah, it's the World Trade Center.

• 3:17Drew Afualo?

  And you said?

• 3:18Speaker 02

  I went, hey, my bad. Hey, my bad, actually.

• 3:21Drew Afualo?

  That's me not reading the room.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  How quickly we forget.

• 3:26Drew Afualo?

  Oh, it's never forget until?

• 3:28Speaker 02

  They said the World Trade thing. I said, he/him. My bad, he/him. Just, just he/him. Thank you.

• 3:33Drew Afualo?

  And you said, and I'm also gay, so careful what you say next.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  I said, he/him homosexual. Thank you. I turned my, I changed my tune real quick.

• 3:40Drew Afualo?

  It's real like a speakeasy vibe. You have to know the password.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like very, yeah, I'm, we entered an exclusive club. And I, there's something happening to me as I get older too. Like I turned, I'd say this has been happening for like a year now. I just say all my thoughts out loud to strangers.

• 3:54Drew Afualo?

  That is true. You have, you do do that.

• 3:55Speaker 02

  I expect them to be in on it. I'm like, I'm like in a room full of people I don't know. And I'm like, god damn, they've got it so fucking cold in here. They're trying to freeze us out, huh? And people are like, what? Shut up.

• 4:04Drew Afualo?

  One thing about you, you love a chit chat.

• 4:06Speaker 02

  I love a chit chat.

• 4:07Drew Afualo?

  Kayla loves small talk.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  I love to make a little friend.

• 4:10Drew Afualo?

  I know. Even, what's funny is you say, I just say whatever I want. You're right. That is true. When we were in, in the room next door, I was like, oh, sit down. And you're like, I'm gonna go read my book outside. You don't need me, dude.

• 4:23Drew Afualo?

  I guess not, no.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  Do you know what happened? In my head, I was like, oh, Drew has a big group and there's limited seats in here. I don't wanna like, take up, let me just go be over here, everyone can do their thing. You know what I mean? Cause they're gonna be hanging out in there while we're in here, so I'm like, y'all stake out your space, and I'll go read my book and be out of the way.

• 4:39Drew Afualo?

  That's very sweet of you.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  But I did feel, as soon as I said it, I walked away and I was like, I wonder if Drew thinks I don't wanna hang out with her.

• 4:46Drew Afualo?

  No, honestly, I was just like-

• 4:47Speaker 02

  Girl, we don't even-

• 4:47Drew Afualo?

  As soon as you let, no, we don't ever take offense to shit like that, but as soon as you let, Adam was like, I love how he just does what he wants. Like, he'd just be doing shit. I was like, no, for real.

• 4:56Speaker 02

  You know, I was trying to, I was trying to explain to, to someone recent, a friend of mine was making fun of me for, you know, they said something to the effect of like, I was like, oh, I love when I get what I want, and they were like, when do you not? And I was like, you know what though? You know, if I'm somewhere, you know I wanna be there.

• 5:09Drew Afualo?

  That is true.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  So let's enjoy that.

• 5:11Drew Afualo?

  No, that is, and I mean that in the nicest, sweetest way possible, it's just like, you're always advocating for yourself. And you're also very honest, and like, there's like, so, I have so much respect for how honest you are. In such a sweet way, too, like, and a perfect example is what I brought up on your show, when we did the minion episode. When I said like, when we get dinner and we have fun, when you're done, you're done. So you're like, well, I'm gonna head out, so, you guys have a nice time.

• 5:35Speaker 02

  We should leave, yeah?

• 5:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, so, you guys hang, I gotta bounce.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:39Drew Afualo?

  Love you, though.

• 5:40Speaker 02

  I'm gonna go, I've had enough.

• 5:41Drew Afualo?

  And I love that.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  Thank y'all.

• 5:43Drew Afualo?

  As we get older, we love that.

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Dude, I love it, and it, like, I'm, I'm truly too, I was, my friend and I did a dessert crawl in my neighborhood the other night.

• 5:50Drew Afualo?

  Okay, too.

• 5:51Speaker 02

  We wanted dessert, we got high after dinner, and we wanted dessert. And she was like, where should we go? I was like, well, we should, I'm a regular at every spot in this neighborhood. I was like, I know the staff by name at every spot within a square mile.

• 6:01Drew Afualo?

  And they know me.

• 6:02Speaker 02

  And they know me, and so I was like, let's just go to a couple places, and we'll stop in, ask what they're serving for dessert, and then we'll keep going until we find something we like.

• 6:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  So we went to three or four places, stopped in, I was like, hey, how's it going, what do you guys have? They tell me, we ended up going to like, four places, and then, and then I was like, wait, we didn't like the fourth place, but I was like, let's go get one thing from every place. And then we'll just eat it there, pay the check, and go to the next place. So we split one dessert at three restaurants. I was like, I'm chit chatting with the staff, I'm making friends, I was like, this is, to me, the perfect night. I prefer this over any other situation. I stop into three places where people know me, I have one dessert, split it with my friend, and then I go, next one. How fun.

• 6:40Drew Afualo?

  Another one, thank you.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  I'm learning stuff, it's, you know, staff's like, oh my god, I just, my grandma's sick, she's in the hospital, I'm like, for sure.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  Where's that galette?

• 6:51Speaker 02

  No, I'm kidding.

• 6:52Drew Afualo?

  No, for sure. For sure. The tiramisu status?

• 6:54Speaker 02

  The tiramisu's coming and grandma, what's grandma's secondary to the tiramisu, I assume. Grandma updates come after the the mousse, the chocolate mousse is being put in, I'm sure.

• 7:04Drew Afualo?

  Is there a place you're trying to, you're really trying to get in, but they're just resisting your charm? Your southern charm? Midwest charm?

• 7:10Speaker 02

  No, I mean, I'm any, I only want to be, I don't want to be in at any of the spots. You know what I mean? There's maybe one restaurant in Brooklyn that is is spotty, like Seany, that I have tried to wield my influence to get tables that has said no to me. And I, and I think they actually just suck. I'm like, not, I'm not wanting them worse, you know what I mean?

• 7:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  Which, that was like the story of my twenties, like dating in my twenties, I was like, if you don't want me, you know something.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  I was like, if you don't want me, I need him. You know, but I don't do that anymore.

• 7:40Drew Afualo?

  You're on to something.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:41Drew Afualo?

  Oh, what about a general place? Like, do you always try to make flight attendants your, your friends, I feel like?

• 7:46Speaker 02

  Oh, me and flight attendants understand each other for the most part. Although we did make a mistake by letting them feel like heroes during COVID.

• 7:53Speaker 02

  We, I'm sorry, we did.

• 7:54Drew Afualo?

  With the quirky announcements on the, on the intercom?

• 7:57Speaker 02

  I, it's just the, some of them have lost the plot a little bit. Like, like, some of them are a little mean now for no, they used to mostly be sweet.

• 8:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 8:04Speaker 02

  And then I'm sure they went through a lot during COVID, that's also probably part of it. But now, post-COVID, they're being a little pushy, I think. You know?

• 8:12Drew Afualo?

  Why do you think?

• 8:12Speaker 02

  Well, they're just telling, they're doing too much. You know, I fly multiple times a week, every week. And so I know where my bag fits.

• 8:18Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  And I'm, you know, I'm walking on, I had a flight attendant recently, I was like, hey, guys, good morning, how's it going? I always come on nice, even if I'm in a bad mood, tired, whatever, you know? I come on because I'm like, they're at work, they're dealing with the public, that's horrible.

• 8:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  I say, hey, guys, good morning, how's it going? She goes, that bag won't fit.

• 8:35Speaker 02

  I said, what happened to hello?

• 8:38Drew Afualo?

  Hi, how are you?

• 8:38Speaker 02

  First of all, second of all, yes, it will.

• 8:42Drew Afualo?

  Don't you worry.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  She goes, "I fly pretty often. I think I know." I go, "I do too."

• 8:48Drew Afualo?

  Now we're in a bitchy awe.

• 8:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, so what? We're gonna have a cunt-off? On the Boeing 787? So you're telling me DL Flight 351? From Tulsa to Topeka, we have to have a cunt-off?

• 8:59Drew Afualo?

  A Delta flight, I know that's fucking right.

• 9:00Speaker 02

  Come on. And she, and I said, I said, "I fly too. I think I know." And she goes, she goes, "Is it expanded?" I go, "It's not expanded. It's its smallest size. It's gonna fit right there."

• 9:12Speaker 02

  And she goes, she goes, "You can't put it sideways." Now, so now she's pivoted the argument. I'm like, "We're moving the goalposts, Charlie Brown." "I think we know who's one." "I think we know who's one."

• 9:21Drew Afualo?

  Right, right.

• 9:21Speaker 02

  "I know I can't put it sideways. Have you lost your mind?" "It's wheels in, bitch."

• 9:25Drew Afualo?

  Right, right.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  Wheels in, handle out. And guess what I did? I slipped her, "Ooh, I slipped my bag right in her little spot." I put her in her little panties.

• 9:34Drew Afualo?

  Slid those panties right on?

• 9:35Speaker 02

  I said, "Ooh, fit right in there, didn't it?" I had to say another word to her.

• 9:39Drew Afualo?

  Nice and snug.

• 9:40Speaker 02

  She came by for the drinks and she said, "What can I get you?" I said, "Uh huh." Diet Coke, no ice.

• 9:44Drew Afualo?

  A small...

• 9:46Drew Afualo?

  Smaller carry-on.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, and crow for you.

• 9:50Drew Afualo?

  Table for one.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  Table for one, crow, table for one, egg on face. Nah, she was cool. I mean, we got there. Once we got the Coke situation figured out, she got to a place. I'm kidding.

• 10:01Drew Afualo?

  You guys met in the middle.

• 10:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:02Drew Afualo?

  I love that. That's beautiful, in the skies.

• 10:04Speaker 02

  You know, I get the little postcards sometimes from the flight attendants.

• 10:07Drew Afualo?

  Oh, do you?

• 10:07Speaker 02

  They write me the little note.

• 10:09Drew Afualo?

  When they know you?

• 10:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're like, they're like, "I don't wanna bother you, but it is a delight to have you on my flight today. I'm a huge fan." And then it's something about you and Brittany. You know?

• 10:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for real.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  It'll be like, "P.S. Where are Drew and Brittany?"

• 10:21Drew Afualo?

  They always ask me where you guys are at.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  What cologne was it?

• 10:27Drew Afualo?

  We're being haunted by, speaking of being haunted.

• 10:29Speaker 02

  P.S. What are the top notes, Coop?

• 10:35Speaker 02

  You know what?

• 10:35Drew Afualo?

  Oh.

• 10:36Speaker 02

  I have something to say.

• 10:37Drew Afualo?

  Please do.

• 10:37Speaker 02

  And I've talked to you and Brittany about this in private.

• 10:39Drew Afualo?

  Yes, we have.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  But people, I'm glad they love our episodes of our, each other's shows.

• 10:44Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 10:44Speaker 02

  That's lovely. Thank you for being a fan.

• 10:46Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  They have got to stop, they're, they act, sometimes these people in the comments, they will attribute your and Brittany's jokes to me.

• 10:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 10:52Speaker 02

  This pisses me off. There's misogyny rampant in the comments.

• 10:56Drew Afualo?

  I don't love it either, Kang, I'll be honest.

• 10:58Speaker 02

  Well, they act sometimes like, or even when I get a good joke off, when they're like, oh my god, like, it's like, no, we, the three of us are funny together because we are together.

• 11:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 11:06Speaker 02

  We assist each other. It's lobs and dunks for everybody.

• 11:08Drew Afualo?

  Right, exactly.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  We're all working at the same time.

• 11:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's the beauty of it.

• 11:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:12Drew Afualo?

  I would say, I know, I, I agree with you, because I've seen, I've seen the jokes being accredited to the wrong peop, like, well, to the wrong people, to you, and just me and Brittany are the ones being taken from, but at the same time, sometimes when I see them, they're like, oh, he's way funnier than the two of them.

• 11:26Speaker 02

  No.

• 11:27Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, no, he's just meaner.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:30Drew Afualo?

  That's the only difference.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  Well, you know what the real gag is? Sometimes I, I do, you know, I do the jabby little barb thing on the podcast, where I'm like, you know, even the fight attendant thing, like, I'm, you know.

• 11:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 11:41Speaker 02

  I'm like, having a take just for fun, that sometimes people meet me in real life, and then they want to be mean to me, thinking that like, that I want to talk to them that way. You know what I mean?

• 11:49Drew Afualo?

  Yes, yes.

• 11:50Speaker 02

  Like, I'll meet a stranger in real life, and they'll be like, they'll be like, fat ugly bitch.

• 11:52Drew Afualo?

  Oh, girl, yeah.

• 11:54Speaker 02

  I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

• 11:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you're like, oh, what happened to hi, hello?

• 11:57Speaker 02

  You're not Trixie.

• 11:58Drew Afualo?

  And also, I don't greet you that way.

• 12:00Speaker 02

  We're not on a podcast, yeah, when we, it's like, we don't, we're kidding around.

• 12:03Drew Afualo?

  Well, it's funny, is we're actually meaner to each other on camera than we are in real life.

• 12:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:08Drew Afualo?

  Unless you're telling Caleb about your love life and he doesn't like it.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:11Drew Afualo?

  Then it matches the energy.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  Then it's the same. Which you've never experienced.

• 12:15Drew Afualo?

  No, I, thankfully.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:17Drew Afualo?

  I agree with you, though, though, that's over familiarity that I really don't like, which is like, like, me and Jason joke about this when we had a girl, we had so many wonderful people on tour, but there were some people that... Choose the mean route because they're just like, oh, we're, we're all kidding around.

• 12:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 12:33Drew Afualo?

  But the shit is like, I don't know you at all, so it's, it's just jarring. But someone came up to us and she was like, what's up, you fucking bitches? And we're like, oh.

• 12:45Drew Afualo?

  And then she was like, she's like, what the fuck is up? Like, I think trying to be funny, but also like, she was being really intense and, and like rude.

• 12:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:53Drew Afualo?

  And then she had my book in her hand, but the, she took the jacket off of it. So I was like, why'd you take the panties off my book like that? Your pussy's just out in the air like that. Immediately doesn't want to play anymore. I was like, this is why you just can't play with me. You can't play with me. Not everyone can do this.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  All of a sudden, not interested in games. All of a sudden, the rapport is out the window. Riffing is off the table. No, it's funny because I feel like we, the, it's a funny reversal of like, we are mean to each other in public and sweet in private.

• 13:20Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  Where like, if I really didn't like you, I would, I would.

• 13:23Drew Afualo?

  It'd be the opposite.

• 13:24Speaker 02

  Be mean in private and sweet in public. You know what I mean? Like, like sometimes I, sometimes I'm sweet to people in public because that's just the vibe of the thing. And it doesn't mean I don't like them. But I feel like a lot of people in this like work or like, or like Hollywood or, you know, like the internet-y stuff. Like, they are talking so much, these, these girls are talking shit on each other.

• 13:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  And then in public, they're like, my bestie girl, they're doing like the apple dance that someone's wearing. Um, and then in private, they're like in group chats being like, that stupid ugly bitch, I can't believe we have to do content with her.

• 13:53Drew Afualo?

  That's so true.

• 13:53Speaker 02

  They're mean.

• 13:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 13:54Speaker 02

  I'm airing it out.

• 13:55Drew Afualo?

  And that's why sometimes when we hang out, they're like, how come you guys aren't, like, you guys didn't post anything or whatever? I'm like, because we're real life friends. We're not content friends. Like, we don't live in a content house.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:06Drew Afualo?

  We're fucking friends in real life. Like, the last thing we're doing is looking at our phones.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:11Drew Afualo?

  When we're hanging out. That's like, and you are, if you could, you'd be Jason Bourne.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  Well, I tried to do a dumb phone.

• 14:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  Everyone disrespected it.

• 14:18Drew Afualo?

  That's true. The green bubbles, I'm sick of it.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  Oh, everyone treated me, I, I may as well have been a leper. You would think appendages were falling off of me, like, people treated me.

• 14:27Drew Afualo?

  I'll cast you aside so fast with that stupid phone.

• 14:29Speaker 02

  And did. I mean, truly, I had a dumb phone for two weeks. I've never felt so isolated. People started, well, and then obviously, people started messaging me on Instagram instead. I'm like, this has made my life worse. Just forget it. I'll just be fucking on the iPhone. I, I couldn't, the dumb phone, if you ever, it felt like the, the Jane Elliot, blue eyes, brown eyes experiment.

• 14:51Drew Afualo?

  Different sides of the room.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  If you want to be treated differently in this society, get a dumb phone.

• 14:55Drew Afualo?

  Did you feel like I was mean to you?

• 14:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:57Drew Afualo?

  Yes, because I have blue eyes.

• 15:01Speaker 02

  Only people with dumb phones can go to the bathroom.

• 15:04Drew Afualo?

  That accent.

• 15:05Speaker 02

  That's true. Yeah. People love sharing those videos. So why did you feel like you were treated different when only you had blue eyes?

• 15:12Speaker 02

  This little white lady from Iowa.

• 15:15Speaker 02

  And people with dumb phones are treated like this every day in our society, but you don't care a lick.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  You don't lose an ounce of sleep when people with dumb phones are treated like this. Somebody with a smartphone crying in the audience.

• 15:32Drew Afualo?

  You have a gray turtleneck on. And Jamie Lee Curtis haircut.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  So tell me why?

• 15:38Speaker 02

  People with dumb phones can be treated like this, but you can't.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  Oh, I was maligned. I was maligned, mistreated.

• 15:49Drew Afualo?

  Dude, Brittany at one point was like, who the fuck is the green bubble in this chat? And there's only four of us, and she knows it's not the two fucks.

• 15:59Drew Afualo?

  She's like, who the fuck is it?

• 16:02Speaker 02

  She said, who did it?

• 16:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Me. Me like this.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  Hey, girl. Hey, I'm trying to improve myself. That's my bad. Oh, shit. Yeah. The dumb phone community, I just want to shout y'all out. Y'all are so strong. Stick with it. It could not be me. I did try to join your ranks briefly, but I immediately gave up because of, uh, resistance. Public scrutiny. My loved ones were treating me in ways I've never been treated. So I, yeah, that dumb phone is, uh, uncharged, sitting on my counter right now.

• 16:32Drew Afualo?

  Thank God.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, iPhone in pocket.

• 16:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, brain rot activated.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  Brain rot activated.

• 16:36Drew Afualo?

  The worm's already in there. Just let it, let it run free.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  And guess what? It was a backslide, too. It was like, you know, when a fat person like goes on like a real strict diet for like two months and they lose 12 pounds, then they come back and gain like 57.

• 16:48Speaker 02

  That's what happened to me with the dumb phone. I was so healthy for two weeks, never seen someone more regulated and like, my brain was good.

• 16:54Drew Afualo?

  The world is brighter and happier.

• 16:56Speaker 02

  Oh my god, I'm like happier, I'm sleeping better, I love the world around me, I'm looking around going, everything's not so bad. Back on the iPhone, I'm posting more than I've ever posted. I'm like posting stories in a way I've never posted stories. I got on Substack, like I just joined a new platform.

• 17:10Drew Afualo?

  I did, I did see that.

• 17:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's something wrong with me, like, I'm sick dog, like I really am not well. And I just don't wanna be part of it, I really do wanna get off of them, but it's like also, you know, we've talked about this, but I can't completely encourage people getting off the internet, cuz I do need that money.

• 17:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, unfortunately, it's a huge part of your career now, my entire fucking career.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  Run my shit up, yeah.

• 17:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's fucking terrible. Speaking of your Substack post, I thought the little snippet you posted about running on a fat ticket.

• 17:42Speaker 02

  We need a fat ticket. We need a fat ticket. We need a fat ticket. Somebody needs to run a fat ticket. Can we get a fat ticket? Let's get a president and vice president.

• 17:53Drew Afualo?

  What's their like main platform, you think?

• 17:55Speaker 02

  Chairs, I mean chairs, chairs everywhere, chairs at restaurants, chairs on planes, chairs, chairs at theaters. Cuz here's the thing, all my little friends are on Broadway, all my little friends are on Broadway.

• 18:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  They're saying, "Come to Broadway, see me, oh, I'm in Mr. Whatever the fuck's got." You know, I don't know, I'm not a theater person, so when they speak to me, it sounds like riddles.

• 18:15Drew Afualo?

  In a lot of ways, it is.

• 18:16Speaker 02

  They go, "Cuz please come see me in Mr. La Doobadoops." Magical Factory of Mysteries or whatever the fuck. They go, you know, it's them and Sigourney Weaver, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know about it. But I wanna go see their little shows, but, Broadway, little shows, I wanna go see their shows, but y'all, these chairs are unacceptable.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  These chairs are unacceptable. I went to a, I got, I went to the planetarium the other night to see a lecture on low mass galaxies.

• 18:42Drew Afualo?

  Of course you did.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  Cuz I was wanting to learn something and I felt creative.

• 18:46Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  And I went in there and they had these little chairs, and I sat on the end of one, and the staff started coming around with a microphone going, "So if you're on the end of a row, I'm gonna need you to move into the center as people file in, thank you." I said, I turned to my person I was with, I said, "I'm not doing it." I'm not doing it, I'm staying on the end. And then she came and stood right by me with the microphone, because you know they do that passive aggressive shit. She's not gonna look at me and go, "Sir, put your big ass in the center." But she came and stood right by me and goes, "So once again, we will be needing people to move to the center of their row as people violin." I said, "I'm not doing it." She stood right there, and I said to my friend out loud, so she could hear me, "I'm not doing it." I'm wanting to be in community in many ways, but the center of the row is not something I can do for my found family. At the Hayden Planetarium.

• 19:32Speaker 02

  So I, we were in a row, and then this group of four walked up, and we had two empty seats next to us on the inside. And there was two empty seats on the aisle in front of us. And I said, "You four, take this." And then we popped up in front, and it was, it all worked out.

• 19:45Drew Afualo?

  It all worked out eventually.

• 19:47Speaker 02

  But I can't be moving to the center of the row. Fat ticket will be about chairs.

• 19:49Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  Fat ticket will be universal grilled meats. Everybody will have grilled meats anytime they need them. That's how we'll solve hunger.

• 19:57Drew Afualo?

  And uptick gout, but it's okay.

• 19:59Speaker 02

  Uptick gout, but whatever.

• 20:00Drew Afualo?

  But whatever, because we have the chairs, so that wouldn't matter.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  We have the chairs, and also, I don't know, I just feel like, let's have some fun. It's like, obviously, the world is pretty close to being over. I think everyone can feel that in the air, right?

• 20:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, we're in the end credits, for sure.

• 20:12Speaker 02

  We're in the, we're in the, yeah, we're in like, the post-credit goofy section. It's time to be silly.

• 20:17Drew Afualo?

  The blue for real.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  It's time to be silly with it. It's time to be silly with it.

• 20:21Drew Afualo?

  You know, it's funny you say that about chairs, because like, I think it's the El Capitan Theater in Hollywood. Those chairs, bitch, mind you, my whole family. All of us huge, enormous.

• 20:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:33Drew Afualo?

  Sitting, and we have to fill up one row, but like, there's two people like, sitting on the inside. I felt so bad for those two people.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  Girl.

• 20:40Drew Afualo?

  Me sandwiched between my man and my brother.

• 20:42Speaker 02

  Please.

• 20:43Drew Afualo?

  I mean, my ass barely fit in the chair.

• 20:46Speaker 02

  But tell me why I'm feeling bad for the chairs.

• 20:48Drew Afualo?

  That's why I'm saying the creaky ass chairs. I get it, it's a monument, whatever.

• 20:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:53Drew Afualo?

  Let's get an extender. I need an extender on this bitch.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  I just don't wanna, I don't wanna hear about it. I think just, you know, people, and people go, "Well, don't be so fat." Why?

• 21:03Speaker 02

  I'm having fun, take the chairs out.

• 21:04Drew Afualo?

  It would be a lot easier to change the chair than it would be to change me.

• 21:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I don't care that the chairs are from 1910. A lot of shit happened back then that I'm not vibing with.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  So get the fucking chairs out of here.

• 21:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, a lot of them died from the flu, so like...

• 21:18Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying.

• 21:19Drew Afualo?

  That's why I'm like, evolution is okay to some extent.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  They like couldn't read and walk to work. I'm just not like, don't tell me about back then. Do you understand like gay people and black people couldn't even come in here?

• 21:31Drew Afualo?

  No shit.

• 21:31Speaker 02

  When they put these chairs in?

• 21:32Drew Afualo?

  I think we're in another phase of life.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  I'm set. I think if you want to, if you like them aesthetically, in the very back corner of the venue, in the darkest corner that we don't do lights, just make a fat section. That's the fat section. And I guarantee you, fat people would be like, hell yeah. That's the fat section. It's just like beanbags and open space.

• 21:49Drew Afualo?

  That's what I'm saying. You know what's funny? Yesterday when I was at the shoot I was telling you about, there was a part where they wanted me to sit on these like fake speakers to like pose and stuff. And they looked tiny and fragile.

• 22:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:01Drew Afualo?

  And I was also walking over, they were like, yeah, just sit and you can lean. And like, I was like, you want me to fully sit on it or like lean? And they were like, no, no, go ahead, sit on it. And when I'm walking up, it's like a crew of all men who set it up. And I'm walking up, I'm like, is there a weight limit on these? And all of the men go, um. And then I was like, I'm fucking around.

• 22:18Speaker 02

  Hey, boys, untense. Loosen your assholes, boys. It's gonna be alright.

• 22:23Drew Afualo?

  None of them know how to answer like, that's like me saying, do I look fat? And then they don't know what to say.

• 22:28Speaker 02

  Hey, if you're gonna bring thin solutions to a fat legend, at least don't bring thin sensitivities. At least let me play around.

• 22:35Drew Afualo?

  That's what I'm saying. I made this joke on Trixie's channel when she put me in that horrifying drag. And when I made this joke, I was like, a running bit I have in my head is that anytime I meet a celebrity that looks nothing like me and is built nothing like me, I go, well, we're about the same build, so where do you shop? That's my, and I said, and if I ever meet Sydney Sweeney, I bet, you bet your ass I'm gonna make that joke to her. And I was laughing, I said, because I'm imagining, I say it to her, that hurts her feelings and that makes me laugh.

• 23:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:05Drew Afualo?

  And then I made that joke, someone clipped it and was like, and people were like, um, I think it's kind of fucked up that you want to hurt people's feelings. My, her feelings are gonna be hurt because of her fat phobia. That's funny.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:17Drew Afualo?

  I was like, when I make that joke, that's my way of like, it's almost forcing you to confront your internalized biases immediately.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:23Drew Afualo?

  Live in front of me.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  Right now.

• 23:25Drew Afualo?

  So if I, and then I'm like, why is it bad to be built like me?

• 23:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, what does that mean? Also, these videos, you know, you should hear the shit I say out loud to my phone in a day. These videos that are like, can I just say, no.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  When are we gonna talk about, we're not.

• 23:38Drew Afualo?

  We don't, and we don't need to.

• 23:39Speaker 02

  Um, am I the only one who, yes. Shut the fuck up.

• 23:43Drew Afualo?

  Most oftentimes. Well, then I, I make those jokes and I'm like, you guys, you guys say you like jokes, you say you wanna hang out with us.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:50Drew Afualo?

  That's how we joke.

• 23:51Speaker 02

  Hello.

• 23:52Drew Afualo?

  That's why I'm like, there's nothing wrong with that joke. It's not gonna, she's beautiful and I'm beautiful. That's the, the funny part is that it would be offensive to her to look like me.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:59Drew Afualo?

  And I think that's funny.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:01Drew Afualo?

  It's okay.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  I think that's funny.

• 24:03Drew Afualo?

  I'm the butt of the joke in that sense and I'm laughing.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:05Drew Afualo?

  That's why if I see Jacob Elordi, I'm gonna say the same thing.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  When I wanna insult people, anyone, no matter what they look like, I say, you look just like Trixie Mattel. And usually they start crying and throwing up.

• 24:16Drew Afualo?

  Well, I would too.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, whoop. I love Trixie so much. I do, I'm truly was laughing so fucking hard the other day. Trixie, uh, impossible to get ahold of.

• 24:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, she is, yeah.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  Does not, I don't know what it is about me.

• 24:28Drew Afualo?

  She doesn't just do it to me by the fucking way. Everybody's like, oh, she finally texts Drew back. She doesn't text anybody back.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  No, I, and by the way, I don't know what happened to me, but when God sent me down to earth to be one of his strongest and most beautiful soldiers.

• 24:40Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  He said, you're only gonna attract women and gay people who refuse to answer their phone. And, and what bothers me about it is, I'm not answering my phone either, but in a way where I'm not on it. You guys are not answering your phone in a way where I'm like, I know you're on there, you just posted a seventeen part Instagram story. Trixie, Trixie who never picks up her phone, texted me, you and, uh, Brittany the other day. At like, I don't know, like ten o'clock at night.

• 25:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 25:05Speaker 02

  And was just like, we haven't talked in that group chat in a second.

• 25:07Drew Afualo?

  No, for real.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  And Trixie just goes, we should do a show like The View.

• 25:11Drew Afualo?

  And that's it.

• 25:12Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 25:13Drew Afualo?

  No other context.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  I said, what?

• 25:14Drew Afualo?

  The ones above that were Kate, you asking us to shoot stuff for your tour.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:18Drew Afualo?

  And then we couldn't do it.

• 25:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, well. We, this is a, okay, this is a behind the scenes for the fans.

• 25:25Drew Afualo?

  BTS.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  We had a confirmed shoot date, that we were all gonna shoot a sketch together for my tour.

• 25:29Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  And then, um, LA. They did catch on fire.

• 25:33Drew Afualo?

  That is true.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  So the fires actually ruined it.

• 25:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, but that was like, that was the last text exchange we had, which was how long ago?

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, like January or something.

• 25:41Drew Afualo?

  That's what she was like, we should do a show like The View.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  We should do a show like The View. We all said, huh?

• 25:46Drew Afualo?

  Everyone was like, what?

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Trixie, what?

• 25:48Drew Afualo?

  And if we do do a show, I don't think it'll be like The View.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  I don't think it'll be like The View.

• 25:52Drew Afualo?

  I don't think so either.

• 25:53Speaker 02

  But I understood the spirit of the text.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  I took, I took Trixie's bid for connection. And I said, I said, yes, we all should do something together.

• 26:03Drew Afualo?

  Sometimes me and Brittany are like, if Caleb's in the group chat, we're like, Caleb will respond, and then the two of us will respond out.

• 26:09Speaker 02

  And I know that, I know that to such an extent that, um, I guess I'll, we can ask her if she wants us to cut this or not. But Brooke, uh, texted, Brooke from Brooke and Connor.

• 26:18Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 26:19Speaker 02

  Texted me and, um, texted me and Brittany on a group thread and said, I want to send you guys some pages from my new book.

• 26:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Can I get your addresses? And I almost without thinking sent Brittany's address. For her, you know what I mean? Being like, she's not gonna respond to this. You know what I mean? And then, and then I, and then I was like, well, obviously that would be insane. Don't do that. And then I was like, oh, you should text Brittany and say, hey, do you want me to respond to your address for you? And then I'm like, you don't work for her.

• 26:42Speaker 02

  I just thought to myself, like, no, no. And then she honestly, to her credit, she did text back pretty quick to that one. She got back pretty quick, not before me, but.

• 26:51Drew Afualo?

  I know. One thing about you, you're gonna respond, which I love. I love that about you.

• 26:55Speaker 02

  I try. It's this constant battle between like, I don't think we should be constantly available to each other. I actually think it's good if we're not.

• 27:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  And I don't want to be on the phone, but I do feel this sense of like, it's honestly about me. Like, I'm like, if I leave shit unread for too long, I start to get anxious.

• 27:08Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 27:08Speaker 02

  Then I'm like, oh, I need to get back to them. I'm gonna forget. They're gonna think that I'm, don't want to talk to them. They're gonna feel like neglected by me. Like, I start to get in my own head. It's not about me being worried. I know that none of my friends are gonna be mad at me.

• 27:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  I don't really, I, I try not to leave a text unread for more than like 24 hours.

• 27:23Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  Uh, but sometimes things will slip through the cracks altogether, and those times haunt me.

• 27:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's true. I guess like, I could say that, but no. It's like, there's like a list of people in my head where I'm like, these are priority people. You and Brittany are both on there.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:37Drew Afualo?

  So like, there are people, I'm like, I have to respond to these people within the next day or two, max.

• 27:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:43Drew Afualo?

  Some people I'm like, okay, I'll respond to that when I have an answer and I just forget, and then I feel awful.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:48Drew Afualo?

  Because I'm like, ah, fuck.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  Do you know what I, do you know what I read yesterday that I can't stop thinking about?

• 27:53Drew Afualo?

  What?

• 27:53Speaker 02

  There was an article about the gay guy who fucked in the senate. Do you remember this? You don't remember this? There was a, does anyone remember this? There was a gay guy who got fucked, uh, in, in the ass.

• 28:04Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  Uh, up the butt, gay style.

• 28:06Drew Afualo?

  I'm glad you clarified, I wasn't sure.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  Well, he got fucked up the butt, gay style. In like a, in like a senate chamber. Like in like a, in like one of the rooms where they do like, you know, where you'll see, you'll see like, usually you see videos of a senator grilling like a credit card executive for show or whatever.

• 28:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 28:20Speaker 02

  Meanwhile, they got donations from, you know what I mean?

• 28:21Drew Afualo?

  Right, right.

• 28:22Speaker 02

  They're like, they're like, you think it's appropriate, like that room?

• 28:24Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  Gay guy fucked in the butt, gay style.

• 28:26Drew Afualo?

  With just a random person or was it someone in congress?

• 28:29Speaker 02

  Uh, it was not a congress member, I believe it was just a different gay guy.

• 28:32Drew Afualo?

  How'd they get in there?

• 28:34Speaker 02

  Well, okay, so the gay guy who was getting fucked in the butt, gay style. He was a staffer for somebody.

• 28:40Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 28:41Speaker 02

  And so he had access to the chambers. And he posted a video, I don't know where, maybe it was OnlyFans or maybe it was like his close friends and it got leaked, I don't know. Posted a video of him just literally getting railed in the senate chambers. This is, this is like a year, a year or two ago.

• 28:52Drew Afualo?

  Filibuster, for real.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  Truly.

• 28:54Drew Afualo?

  Filibusted.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Hey, emphasis on Phil.

• 28:58Drew Afualo?

  Filibust-a-nut.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  Philly, Philly bust-a-nut. Philly, cap-a-phil, e-bust-a-nut. E, e, Spanish and, e, cap-a-phil, e, bust-a-nut.

• 29:08Drew Afualo?

  Imas.

• 29:09Speaker 02

  Imas. Bust-a-nut, imas, gay style. Bust-a-nut, imas, gay style, in the senate chambers.

• 29:15Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 29:15Speaker 02

  And he, there was an article yesterday in like the New Yorker or something and they posted like a, a, a quote from it. That was the guy that was like, I only hurt me when I did that and I bear the consequences, but I do not regret fucking in the senate.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  And I was like, dog, I love gay people.

• 29:31Drew Afualo?

  And part of you has to respect that.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  I fucking love gay people.

• 29:34Drew Afualo?

  You have to, at some point you're like.

• 29:36Speaker 02

  I just love gay people so much.

• 29:38Drew Afualo?

  That's so funny.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:39Drew Afualo?

  They're so unserious about so many things.

• 29:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just love it. I just love gay people, that's so funny, I, I don't, to, to have like a year to reflect on it. And to know that the only way out is to like be remorseful and do like a media campaign where you try and like salvage the thing. Just go, I don't regret fucking in the senate.

• 29:56Drew Afualo?

  Oh no, that I don't regret at all.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Iconic.

• 29:59Drew Afualo?

  It's posting about it for, for like, you know, my friends, that I kind of, maybe I should have thought a little bit more on.

• 30:04Speaker 02

  It's funny, like the internet has created, or like this moment that we've been in. For a while has created this image of queer people as like these like puritanical like mean like language policing like woke scolds. I'm like queer people I know are the meanest. You should hear what the trans women I hang out with say about gay people.

• 30:19Drew Afualo?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 30:21Speaker 02

  You.

• 30:21Drew Afualo?

  I say.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  They would fit in at the body shop. You know what I mean? Like it is some nasty hateful shit. And it's fun and I love it. It's so funny.

• 30:30Drew Afualo?

  The culture. That's why it's fun.

• 30:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, reading is fundamental. Like it's like what we that's what we actually do.

• 30:35Drew Afualo?

  That's why I told Trixie that. I was like, everybody who says they want to be friends with you and Caleb, I'm like, good luck. My feelings are vibranium and sometimes my hands shaking a little bit.

• 30:44Speaker 02

  Well, it's part of the problem is that so much of the culture narrative now is at least partially enforced by like seventeen year olds who are like queer.

• 30:51Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  And they don't know themselves yet. And for some reason, we're having to interact with them and listen to them. And so, you know, they're they're they have all these ideas.

• 31:00Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  God help me if I was a voice of the culture at seventeen.

• 31:03Drew Afualo?

  Right, same.

• 31:03Speaker 02

  Do you know what I mean?

• 31:04Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 31:05Speaker 02

  God help us all.

• 31:05Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 31:06Speaker 02

  But that's part of the problem with the puritanical stuff is like here's these young gay kids to trying to figure out where they fit into all this.

• 31:12Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 31:12Speaker 02

  And still, a lot of them on some level, at least from from my perception of it and what I'm seeing, they still on some level want to be uh respected and embraced by uh boring straight people.

• 31:23Drew Afualo?

  Uh, yeah.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? And so they're like, they're like, they're like, ugh, that actually, we shouldn't be wearing leather at Pride. It's like, shut up, you're twelve. You know what I mean? Those people are never gonna like us. Shut up, shut up.

• 31:33Drew Afualo?

  That's true. It's like appealing to what you think is like this exclusive club to get into.

• 31:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:39Drew Afualo?

  That's a that's it's similar in my in the sense of like I recently posted a video because for some reason I've had women lately be like, you know, they log on to TikTok for the first time and they see me and then they're like, have you ever tried being nice to them? And I was like, no, but feel free.

• 31:54Speaker 02

  Didn't people try that for like centuries?

• 31:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I mean, go ahead. They're still doing it now. What the fuck? I was like, I mean, and I made a video because I was like, I I'm just like tired of hearing that because I've been doing this for too long. But I literally said, I'm like, you can be nice to them all you want. I'm gonna tell them to suck my dick from the back because the side of them disgust me. That's how I'm gonna handle it.

• 32:12Speaker 02

  Give me top sloppy style, yeah.

• 32:13Drew Afualo?

  Fucking stop asking me to be nice. I'm never going to. I'm gonna hurt their fucking feelings every time because I want to. Like sometimes with people, I've done a few talks lately where they're like, what do you have to say to people that say you're mean? And then I I literally go, I am mean. That's true, I am very mean. My, it depends on what your goals are, like, some of your goals is like, oh, I want them to, to, to love me, or like me, or respect me. My goal is to hurt their fucking feelings. Like, my goal is to make you upset because of what I said.

• 32:42Speaker 02

  Cause you're being horrible.

• 32:43Drew Afualo?

  Cause you're being horrible. I, my goal is to be horrible enough that you get so embarrassed, you never go on the internet again. That's my goal.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  That's me.

• 32:51Drew Afualo?

  I'm saying it so, I say that so plainly, and women still are like, wow, so it's just like, your whole thing, it's just like, razzing men, but like, have we thought about maybe what they're gonna be doing, like, uh, no.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  This is why I don't like women.

• 33:09Speaker 02

  I've been saying, I've been, I don't like women. I don't. I really don't.

• 33:14Drew Afualo?

  I've just had so many in a row lately of women asking me, always like, oh, have you ever thought about, like, you know, what about the good men? I'm like, where?

• 33:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:23Drew Afualo?

  Are they? Let me know. Tell them to come forward. What the fuck? I, I can't see them as far as the eye can see.

• 33:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, women are a problem.

• 33:31Drew Afualo?

  It's true.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've been saying.

• 33:33Drew Afualo?

  I've been a problem. And for some reason that you guys.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  You are a problem, in my mind. You are my problem. Yeah.

• 33:39Drew Afualo?

  And you're mine. That's why we're in love.

• 33:41Speaker 02

  You are, yeah, you are my problem. You're my obsession, my fixation. I don't know what to do.

• 33:46Drew Afualo?

  Hate to watch you go, but I love to watch you leave.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Why did the song Locked Up by Akon just come to my, is that Akon? I'm locked up, don't let me, you know what I'm saying?

• 33:55Drew Afualo?

  I think that's about something else, though, no?

• 33:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't think it's, I, that's why I'm saying, like, why did it come to my head? And then in quick succession after that, it was, um, you should let me love you.

• 34:06Drew Afualo?

  I do love that song.

• 34:07Speaker 02

  Let me be the one to.

• 34:08Drew Afualo?

  A Mario song?

• 34:09Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, damn. God. Period.

• 34:13Drew Afualo?

  Look at us.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  There's, my brain is so beautiful, I love it in there.

• 34:19Drew Afualo?

  I have some fun facts about you.

• 34:20Speaker 02

  Okay, facts about me?

• 34:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they're fun facts.

• 34:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 34:23Drew Afualo?

  I guess it depends on who you ask, though. Uh, it says, your college fraternity gave you the Outstanding Philanthropist Award.

• 34:33Drew Afualo?

  That's funny, cause I don't, I don't, philanthropic's not the word I think of when I hear about you.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  Well, what do you call me hanging out with you, then?

• 34:41Speaker 02

  If I'm not a philanthropist, what the hell is this?

• 34:44Drew Afualo?

  I don't know, what do they call it when those, I almost made a really awful joke, and you'll, you can bleep it, I was gonna say, what do you call it when they have those teachers that hang out with those?

• 34:52Speaker 02

  You let me have lunch in your room, cause no one likes me?

• 34:56Drew Afualo?

  All those kids that never hang out at the lunch table.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  They don't have friends, so they have to eat in Miss O'Fallo's room.

• 35:02Drew Afualo?

  In their favorite language.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  Wait, no. Oh, that was not given to me by my fraternity, by the way.

• 35:09Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  That was given to me by the fraternity organization at my school. So I was actually outstanding philanthropist of the school, not just my fraternity.

• 35:20Speaker 00

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• 35:51Speaker 02

  Where's my camera?

• 35:54Drew Afualo?

  That's even worse. Gagged.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  Clocky clock.

• 35:57Drew Afualo?

  It's actually out of everyone, not just the frat.

• 36:00Speaker 02

  So the fraternity was like 120 guys, right? But the school was 25,000 people.

• 36:07Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 36:07Speaker 02

  So you do the math.

• 36:12Drew Afualo?

  For fucking what?

• 36:13Speaker 02

  Well, I, um...

• 36:15Drew Afualo?

  I know you would do a lot of charity.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  I was gonna say, you're gonna feel bad.

• 36:19Drew Afualo?

  That's why I said, on a serious note, Caleb does a lot of philanthropic work.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  If I tell you, you're gonna feel bad.

• 36:23Drew Afualo?

  Sorry.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  Uh, no, that was such a funny, me being in a fraternity was such a funny era of life.

• 36:29Drew Afualo?

  I was gonna say.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  It was, I rushed as a joke, to be clear. I rushed as a joke. I got to college with my friends from, so like three of my friends from high school were like, should we rush? You know, and then I went to this one house with the, I met some guys I actually really liked, which of course threw me for a loop. And I, like, there were like 10 of them that I liked, and then, you know, there were a lot of guys that I didn't really fuck with, but I'm still good friends with some of those guys. Um, and some, it was, I'll tell you one interesting thing I learned from being in a fraternity for four years.

• 36:55Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  Now, do I think fraternities should probably be abolished? Yes.

• 36:58Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  I think overall, they're bad. Um, but I did, I did, I will say... My chapter was a unique case where I feel like they recruited guys who had different opinions on purpose. And then we legitimately did, we were like, we need the nerdy guys, we need the sporty guy. Like, they like tried to get all kinds of different guys in there.

• 37:16Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  And it was a lot of times a failed project. But in some ways it wasn't, and I did meet guys who when we came in were extremely conservative and fucked up, uh, people, like just straight up. Like, guys I did not like.

• 37:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  And over the course of four years, I really watched them grow and like change, and they genuinely did by virtue of hanging out with other people different from them. They did end college in a different place where like, they, they, you know, coming in, they're fucking saying the F slur, they're like being so problematic.

• 37:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  By the end of it, they weren't doing things like that.

• 37:46Drew Afualo?

  That's cool.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  And legitimate, there were like legitimate changes that occurred because of their affiliation with that organization.

• 37:51Drew Afualo?

  Which is nice.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  I think that's the minority of those experiences.

• 37:54Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 37:54Speaker 02

  Mostly it's like an echo chamber for horrible behavior and like, or, or, kind of in mass like sexual assault.

• 38:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  That wasn't what happened in my experience, but I do know that that's the more broad culture that has existed for a long time. I think there are people working within it to try and make it different. But, yeah, a few, uh, a couple guys said the F word, uh, fewer times than when they came in, and I thought that was kinda neat.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  It was a funny, it was a funny thing though. It was, uh, yeah, it really cracked me up, but I was a philanthropist on campus.

• 38:22Drew Afualo?

  Of course you were.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  And I did a couple, a couple charities here and there, why not?

• 38:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you are very philanthropic, and I mean that very literally. I once sent Caleb a meme on Instagram that said, "You ever look at someone and just know they were super involved on campus?" I said that to him, and then he said, "Yeah, go ahead and block me."

• 38:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, drag of the century. You know I was showing up to meetings I didn't have to go to.

• 38:44Drew Afualo?

  You're like, "Guys, we have to go to the lunch meeting."

• 38:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I almost ran for, uh, student body president in college because I felt like we needed change.

• 38:53Drew Afualo?

  And college is crazy.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  In col- they don't do anything, like, like, they zone sidewalks on campus.

• 38:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And I was like, "We need a different voice in there."

• 39:02Drew Afualo?

  In your frat, did they kiss each other a lot?

• 39:04Speaker 02

  Uh, no, there were plenty of gay guys in fraternity life that like would kiss people from other chapters.

• 39:09Drew Afualo?

  Nice.

• 39:09Speaker 02

  But there was, there was like a, a lot of obviously homophobia in the culture, but then also a specific like, even the guys who were cool with gay guys were like, "Okay, just like, don't fuck brothers." You know what I mean? Like, it was like, "Fuck guys in other chapters if you want to." Like, "Here, we are a family, so it's kind of like incest," you know? Like, there was like this like kind of strangely progressive, like, but also weird.

• 39:29Drew Afualo?

  Take on it?

• 39:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like enforcing the bizarre family affiliation.

• 39:33Drew Afualo?

  You said that's great, but consent is key.

• 39:34Speaker 02

  Consent is, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was funny because we had to go, you know, the university made all the fraternity guys go to like sexual assault trainings and stuff, which is very good.

• 39:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 39:43Speaker 02

  But watching these like, super bro-y, like just watching them be like, "I have a question. So basically consent is where like, the girl is cool with it and you're cool with it too." "Okay, word, word, word, word." Like, and if you're-

• 39:58Drew Afualo?

  A man discovers empathy.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  "And so if you're both drunk, neither of you should be having sex because either one of you can be taken advantage of, correct?" "Okay, word, word, word, word." Like wa- like wa- like watching these dudes process, like, pretty basic.

• 40:12Drew Afualo?

  The most obvious trains of thoughts to us.

• 40:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I was like, "You know what? Hell, yeah."

• 40:17Drew Afualo?

  If it works, it works.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Better if everyone knows, so rock the fuck on.

• 40:20Drew Afualo?

  However you receive the message.

• 40:21Speaker 02

  I say, "Let's do it."

• 40:22Drew Afualo?

  Have you seen that clip of Logan Paul where he's like finding out he's having a daughter?

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Not to be like a woke asshole, this one? I don't want to be like a woke asshole, but like, women have it hard, dude.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  Like, I low-key feel for them. Yeah, Jesus Christ.

• 40:38Drew Afualo?

  That's how I feel. Anytime I see anything involving them.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  Also, the, the, uh, not to be the woke friend thing is like, "Shut up." I've gotten, I'm so over this fucking trend. "Just don't, just be, just say what you feel, just say what you think."

• 40:50Drew Afualo?

  I know.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  "Not to be the woke friend, but I low-key feel, shut up." Phrase that differently, or shut the fuck up.

• 40:57Drew Afualo?

  Or say no homo.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's funny.

• 40:59Drew Afualo?

  Let's take it back.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  No, I'm, but I'm dead serious.

• 41:01Drew Afualo?

  Let's throw it back to the 2010s.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  Let's do something actually funny.

• 41:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, let's do, like, let's be for real about it then.

• 41:06Speaker 02

  No, you know, I say that, but then no homo is also kind of losing its luster with me. I wonder what the new funny thing is to do. I may not know, but I, it's definitely not like, not to be the woke friend, but like, low key, unhoused people have souls. It's like, what, like...

• 41:19Speaker 02

  I beg your pardon?

• 41:20Drew Afualo?

  Not to be the woke friend, but racism, ah.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  I hate racism.

• 41:24Drew Afualo?

  That's how I, that's how I feel sometimes when I've gone on interviews and they're like, older white people talking to me. And they're like, "Did you know that this presidency is like scary?"

• 41:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I did.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  I've clocked a little bit of that, yeah.

• 41:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you know, yeah, I sensed that a tiny bit.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  I am gathering that.

• 41:42Drew Afualo?

  Right, yeah, that's what I've gathered from all the loss of rights, not just this past year.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've kind of been paying attention for a while.

• 41:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 41:49Speaker 02

  Well, that was, I mean, I think I've, I've said this before, somewhere on the internet, but that was what cracked me up about 2016, is like, all my friends on the coast were like, "Wait, we need to, we need to pay attention to what's going on in Missouri." And I'm like, "Yep, I've been over here." Been one, been wondering, been paying attention. Don't know where y'all have been. Things have been weird.

• 42:08Drew Afualo?

  In 2016, I, that was the first time I actively remember, like, fighting people on Twitter. Even people I knew personally, but I was going ape shit on Twitter, like, just absolutely decimating anybody that was talking shit. You know, they were all like, "Oh, I'm gonna write in Harambe." Like, people were literally writing in, voting for Harambe that year.

• 42:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:27Drew Afualo?

  And that was the first year I could vote.

• 42:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:29Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, "You guys think this is a fucking game?"

• 42:32Speaker 02

  I'm on my Twitter.

• 42:34Drew Afualo?

  On my Twitter going, "You think this shit's a game? It's not." I've been doing that shit forever.

• 42:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:39Drew Afualo?

  Well before I had a platform, well before anybody gave a fuck.

• 42:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:42Drew Afualo?

  I remember one time I fought with a guy for like, two days straight. And I went to high school with him.

• 42:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. That was my boy.

• 42:47Drew Afualo?

  His name's Kevin.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  Kevin, shout out.

• 42:50Drew Afualo?

  Fuck Kevin, by the way.

• 42:51Speaker 02

  Shout out Kevin.

• 42:52Drew Afualo?

  And not the worst Kevin I've met, by the way. I've met a couple terrible Kevins.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  Well, the craziest thing is like, those guys, like, those guys are like, the, the Secretary of the Interior now. Like, guys like that, like, guys who were just like, like, literally the whole Trump cabinet is like, guys who were doing shit like that on the internet.

• 43:06Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 43:07Speaker 02

  And they were all, they got like, alt-right, like, news, like, news followings, where they're like, "I run a podcast where I tell the truth about the deep state." And now they're like, "The Secretary of Defense." It's fucking insane. It's like guys you used to fight with on the internet. It's like, oh fabulous.

• 43:20Drew Afualo?

  Oh, perfect.

• 43:21Speaker 02

  Sounds good, y'all.

• 43:22Drew Afualo?

  They couldn't even spell very well, but that's perfect.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  That's perfect, actually.

• 43:25Drew Afualo?

  Okay, another fun fact. It says you make your own ranch dressing from scratch?

• 43:29Speaker 02

  Period.

• 43:30Drew Afualo?

  Still to the same?

• 43:31Speaker 02

  Now, let's, hold on. Let's talk about from scratch. The Hidden Valley packet is involved. The Hidden Valley packet is involved, but I use the Hidden, I use extra ingredients that aren't in, like, okay.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  The Hidden Valley packet has a recipe on it to make ranch dipping sauce.

• 43:49Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  Okay? I modify that recipe to make my own, but I still use their seasoning in the recipe.

• 43:56Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 43:56Speaker 02

  So from scratch is a real stretch.

• 43:58Drew Afualo?

  So yours is like, is it like a, when you host, that's when you like to put out a fun dip?

• 44:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 44:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, or like I, I make it for myself sometimes, too. Like, oh, you think I'm not making that shit alone at home? It's the only way I'll eat celery, sorry. I'm not eating celery if there's not a thick ranch dip involved.

• 44:14Drew Afualo?

  Celery feels like it's fighting me back when I eat it.

• 44:17Speaker 02

  Celery was not supposed to be, that's like something we found that we shouldn't be eating.

• 44:20Drew Afualo?

  It's just a taxing endeavor to eat.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  So, you know how there's like certain like plants that we only put like on tables as like, uh, you know how like sometimes when you see in like a cartoon, they have like little leaves on the side of a turkey just to make it look cute?

• 44:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 44:33Speaker 02

  That's what celery was supposed to be.

• 44:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  And then we started eating it. That's crazy. Celery's crazy. Don't piss me off. I really hate celery, but when you dip it in ranch, it's like it all starts to make sense.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  Sometimes vegetables don't make sense until you find the right dip and then you're like, everything's clicking.

• 44:48Drew Afualo?

  And then you douse it in something that doesn't make it taste anything like what it's supposed to taste.

• 44:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like carrots are from hell and need to be sent back to hell, in my opinion, until they're fried in something or dipped in hummus. And then hummus kind of makes the whole-

• 44:59Drew Afualo?

  I was gonna say, or a strong hummus.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  The picture comes together.

• 45:03Drew Afualo?

  All of a sudden.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  Like I, the, I was at dinner the other night in New York and I was, we were like debating salads. We were like, oh, we should get a salad, of course. And every time someone says that at a dinner, I'm kind of like, I know, but I was hoping we'd be cool.

• 45:16Speaker 02

  I guess now that someone said it, we have to do it.

• 45:18Drew Afualo?

  No, yeah, I was gonna say that for sure. Either that or the Brussels sprouts.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was definitely, let's not get an extra order of chicken wings. Right, we should get a green.

• 45:26Drew Afualo?

  No nachos, we should do the green.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the other thing, is people sometimes, people sometimes at a group dinner, people say the weirdest shit. They're like, they're like, they're like, "Well, we should get like a green, like a yummy green crunch, right? Like, we need like a crunchy, like a yummy green with a crunch, right?"

• 45:39Drew Afualo?

  Who the fuck are you getting dinner with?

• 45:42Speaker 02

  Is that white people? Did I say some of the white people in accident?

• 45:45Drew Afualo?

  Or is it skinny people, white and skinny?

• 45:46Speaker 02

  Which is it? In the comments, tell me, if you're white and skinny, tell me which part of you says shit like that.

• 45:52Drew Afualo?

  Never.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  Something, well, we need something with a crunch. I'm, white, white or skinny people, someone's gonna know what I'm talking about.

• 45:59Drew Afualo?

  What are you eating with Carmy from the fucking bear?

• 46:01Speaker 02

  White and skinny people, please, please, please, I am asking you for once to come into the comments.

• 46:06Drew Afualo?

  Please.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  For once, we wanna hear from you white and skinny people. Please, if you're white and thin, thin whites, please.

• 46:12Drew Afualo?

  Please, please, please.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  Please, my saltine friends. Get in the comments and tell us, have you had dinner with someone who said, "We need like a crunchy green? We need like a yummy, like a crunchy green?" I'm telling you, people say shit like this.

• 46:25Drew Afualo?

  Why?

• 46:26Speaker 02

  Because they hurt me, they wanna hurt me.

• 46:30Speaker 02

  And we were at dinner and someone said this, and I was like, "Oh my god, of course." And I'm like, "Fucking..." I'm like, "Yeah." But then there was one with fried halloumi on it, and I was like, "We should get that one, I like that there's cucumbers." You know, I made it about something else, I was like, "There's cucumbers in that one." I'm like, "I'm gonna eat the fried halloumi."

• 46:46Drew Afualo?

  There's only three halloumis and you eat two of them?

• 46:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:50Drew Afualo?

  And the other one's hanging out, and you're like, "Well, no one else is gonna..."

• 46:54Speaker 02

  No one wants the halloumi?

• 46:55Drew Afualo?

  It's just, I mean, it's there.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  We should get like a crunchy green. It's a thing, dude. Do you guys know what I'm talking about? Have you heard this before? We should get like a crunchy, like a leafy green. A leafy green, yeah, but that's a, no, but we should get like something with a crunch, like a healthy...

• 47:13Drew Afualo?

  It's like, before you say it.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  We need something with like a healthy tasty crunch. They say that shit when they order salads. Though you'll get like, you'll be at a group dinner, that'll be like, "Oh, we'll get three pastas, a pizza, the branzino. We'll have like this, this, and then..." And then someone will go, "Do you think we should get like a healthy crunchy green? With like a crunch that's healthy?" And then I have to be like, "Yeah, fuck."

• 47:34Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, I was gonna say that.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  Oh, thank you for handling, oh my god, I went to dinner with a friend recently, and he wanted us to get the wedge. What?

• 47:43Speaker 02

  I fucking work here? A wedge? They don't even chop that shit up!

• 47:48Drew Afualo?

  What am I supposed to be, what am I, an ape?

• 47:50Speaker 02

  A wedge salad pisses me the fuck off!

• 47:52Drew Afualo?

  What am I, an ape eating my fucking leek green?

• 47:54Speaker 02

  I'm a primate?

• 47:56Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that's my enrichment?

• 47:57Speaker 02

  But it's like a healthy crunch.

• 48:00Drew Afualo?

  We like to open it up and put treats in between so that they know.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  Chop it.

• 48:05Drew Afualo?

  Like the apes in the zoo.

• 48:05Speaker 02

  Like apes in the fucking zoo.

• 48:07Drew Afualo?

  Oh, don't piss me off.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  I also don't-

• 48:09Drew Afualo?

  That's how I feel when I order a soda and nobody else does.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 48:12Drew Afualo?

  When I do that, I'm like, oh, no fucking community. Right, perfect.

• 48:15Speaker 02

  But the opposite of that, when you're the first person to order a soda and it sets off a chain reaction?

• 48:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 48:19Speaker 02

  When they go, the server goes, "You guys want anything to drink?" And everyone goes, "I think we're good with water." And I go, "Dr. Pepper." And then everyone else goes, "I think I'll have one too." "Oh, Captain, my Captain." And I'll have a Dr. Pepper.

• 48:31Drew Afualo?

  They can't stop all of us.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  And I'll have a Dr. Pepper. I stand on the table, I'm like, "Every one of us can have a Dr. Pepper." Don't let them think that tap water is the only option.

• 48:40Drew Afualo?

  And that was the French Revolution, you're right.

• 48:41Speaker 02

  That was the French Revolution. Let them have-

• 48:43Drew Afualo?

  That's the plot of Levis.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  Pepp. Let them have Pepp. I fucking love it, dude. I hate a wedge salad, I love a Dr. Pepper. I don't like when someone calls it like a crunchy green, like a healthy crunch with a green. I don't like that.

• 48:55Drew Afualo?

  I hate when we share a lot of things. Like, I don't mind sharing apps, but I don't like when that's the whole meal.

• 49:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:01Drew Afualo?

  Like, I went to dinner with my friends the other day. My skinny white friends.

• 49:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:05Drew Afualo?

  Loved them down. We did have drinks, so maybe, I thought maybe, okay, yeah, like, everyone's gonna get it. We're like, oh, we'll just share.

• 49:13Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 49:15Speaker 02

  What if I kill myself?

• 49:16Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  I'm, similar, I went to dinner the other night with a thin friend and a friend who had stomach surgery. So, you know, thin now, but-

• 49:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  Used to be quite fat.

• 49:26Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  You know, so I know you know how fat behavior is like. But now he's thin because he had the surgery, and shout out to him, I love you, brother. But, yeah, they, we order, I was like, I was like, "Do you guys want to get like four apps?" And they were like, "Yeah," and then I was like, "I'm gonna get an entree as well." And then they were like, "Oh, we're good with just the apps if we're getting that many." I went-

• 49:43Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 49:44Drew Afualo?

  So you fucking-

• 49:45Speaker 02

  So I'm Brendan Fraser in The Whale.

• 49:49Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  So I'm the woman from Gil- uh, what's eating Gilbert Grape to you? That's what I am to you? Cause I was gonna do an entree on top of all that? Okay.

• 49:58Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  Sounds good. And then I go, okay, I'll get an entree and we can split it. We all knew damn well I was eating. They took one bite of the entree and I said.

• 50:05Drew Afualo?

  You got what you wanted in the way that you wanted it.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  I just want, yeah, I want it all. I like it. I like having a good time.

• 50:11Drew Afualo?

  I, me too. That's why I love going to dinner with you and Brittany.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:14Drew Afualo?

  Cause we eat, we eat for real.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  They move us to a bigger table.

• 50:17Drew Afualo?

  That is true.

• 50:18Speaker 02

  The, I, the number of times that I have at a restaurant been sat at an appropriate table? And then when they heard the order go, why don't we, you guys wanna go over there?

• 50:25Drew Afualo?

  I can bring up a couple.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:27Drew Afualo?

  To bring up a couple.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  Like a card table, like it's Thanksgiving at your grandma's house?

• 50:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. I, uh, well, you keep refusing to go to Disneyland with us.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I won't do that.

• 50:36Drew Afualo?

  Right. I'm gonna get you there eventually.

• 50:38Speaker 02

  I'm not doing that.

• 50:39Drew Afualo?

  There was, on Space Mountain, I don't know if you know this? I don't know if the chat knows this either? But literally, they have a weight limit on that roller coaster.

• 50:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it's.

• 50:49Drew Afualo?

  Which, they do not specify. But here's the thing. You get in, they strap, you strap in, they drive you forward.

• 50:57Speaker 02

  And if the seat screams.

• 50:58Drew Afualo?

  They, they weigh you right there. If it's too heavy, they make you go left. My family has been stopped, I'm not kidding, six times.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  What happens if you go left?

• 51:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they go left, they take you out, and they split you up so your big fat asses aren't all fucking together. And they, and they literally, I, one time, I'm not kidding.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Why do you want me to go here?

• 51:16Drew Afualo?

  We were all sitting there. We were all sitting in there. And they were like, the guy down at the bottom of, who's strapping every, checking everyone's belts, he's looking up at the control tower, he goes, "How much? No? Too heavy, too heavy, too heavy, too heavy, too heavy." I said, "Hey, we heard you the first two times." They're like, "So too heavy? Too heavy, go ahead to the left, go ahead to the left."

• 51:40Speaker 02

  I got too heavy to the left.

• 51:41Drew Afualo?

  And then the first time it happened to us, we were so confused, and then no one was telling us the answer because no one wants to tell us that you guys are too fucking fat, so we have to split you up. I said, "Oh."

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 51:53Drew Afualo?

  Okay, perfect, happiest place on earth.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  Sounds good. Yeah, I mean, for that and a million other reasons. I'm not interested.

• 51:58Drew Afualo?

  I mean, and did I have two churros in my hand at the time? Yes. Is it relevant to the weight of the roller coaster? I don't think so.

• 52:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:05Drew Afualo?

  I think, I think, once again, I'm leaning back to your fat ticket idea.

• 52:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:10Drew Afualo?

  With chairs.

• 52:11Speaker 02

  Let's get it fixed.

• 52:11Drew Afualo?

  Let's extend it.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  I saw someone, I saw someone posted, you know, they were obviously like kinda right wing, but they posted a video of a bunch of fat Disney adults doing like a TikTok at Disney. And they're like, if they spend so much time at this park walking around, how are they so fat? And I said, well, number one, fat people walk, and number two, have you seen the shit they eat?

• 52:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  Everything there is like covered in sugar and deep fried.

• 52:33Drew Afualo?

  Right, yeah.

• 52:33Speaker 02

  They're walking from eating to eating to eating to eating to, it's a, it's a food crawl.

• 52:36Drew Afualo?

  As am I.

• 52:37Speaker 02

  Disney's a food crawl.

• 52:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  But I don't, I'd rather just go to a restaurant.

• 52:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you'd rather go to a restaurant.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  And there's like a secret club for, I, Disney scares the hell out of me.

• 52:45Drew Afualo?

  It's okay, we're gonna, I'm gonna bully Caleb into it eventually.

• 52:48Speaker 02

  You're not gonna, I would probably come to your, I, I need to come to your house more often.

• 52:51Drew Afualo?

  That is true.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  Either way, I've got, there's so many levels of transportation involved.

• 52:56Drew Afualo?

  It's real planes, trains, not automobiles.

• 52:58Speaker 02

  Planes, trains, automobiles, I have to contact, I have to get on an AV at one point.

• 53:01Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  I have to contact special transportation providers.

• 53:04Drew Afualo?

  It's like going to Jurassic World.

• 53:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:06Drew Afualo?

  Like they gotta fly, boat, jeep.

• 53:08Speaker 02

  And it's beautiful when I get there, I feel like Lewis and Clark, you know? I'm like, whoa, it's fecund, you know, it's beautiful out here, I love it.

• 53:16Drew Afualo?

  I think I'm gonna colonize it.

• 53:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. I do, I would love to colonize someplace. Oh, I would just love that.

• 53:22Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that would be so nice.

• 53:23Speaker 02

  I would love to create someplace in my image. I would love.

• 53:27Drew Afualo?

  Just start making shit up.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  Oh, I would love that.

• 53:29Drew Afualo?

  Me and Jason were talking about the Pope the other day, cause she was like, what's his deal? And I was like, what do you mean? And she was like, like, what does he like do? And I go, I, I think you're asking the wrong person, cause I also wasn't raised Catholic or siblings.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  As you may know.

• 53:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, as you are probably mostly familiar with, but I told her, I think, and I was like, I just made a stab in the dark, I was like, I think he's like the head guy, but he's not the main guy.

• 53:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:52Drew Afualo?

  So the big guy picks the head guy, and then all your problems, you lay at the feet of the head guy, and he goes, big guy says it's cool.

• 53:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:59Drew Afualo?

  That's my loose interpretation of Catholicism.

• 54:02Speaker 02

  Catholicism is so funny to me, cause they're like, the Pope is not selected by man. He is selected via men as a vehicle through God's will, and I'm like, then how come he has different ideas every fucking time?

• 54:13Speaker 02

  And how come it's changed so much over time? And why are, like, gay people are mad that the new one seems to be anti-gay? I'm like, he's the head of an international pedophile ring. Why are we consulting him?

• 54:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's another, I was like, well, oh, a straight guy from Chicago?

• 54:27Speaker 02

  They're like, he's from Chicago, DeBears. I'm like, shut up.

• 54:31Speaker 02

  He's the head of an Illuminati pedophile ring. Who cares what these people think?

• 54:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, when I watch him go on that balcony and they do that wave and then everyone's crying, I was like, well, it's giving cult, obviously. We know that.

• 54:43Speaker 02

  There's a part of me that's jealous, of course.

• 54:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, of cour- and that's where I was going with it. I watch it, I'm like, man, I wish I could feel devotion to something like that, but it, I don't know, if someone tells me to do something, I'm just not going to.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:55Drew Afualo?

  So there's that.

• 54:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I should start wearing country little robes.

• 54:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 54:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:59Drew Afualo?

  You should.

• 54:59Speaker 02

  I do like that he speaks Latin, though. I think that's kind of funny. Like, so inaccessible and unnecessary. I lo- I do love that. I do think that's funny. And people are like excited, like conservatives are like, he spoke Latin, you know what that means, boys? I'm like, I don't.

• 55:12Drew Afualo?

  I don't think you do either.

• 55:13Speaker 02

  You guys have your own little thing, and I love that. I just love that they get excited about something. I'm like, it's truly like their Drag Race.

• 55:20Drew Afualo?

  That is their Drag Race.

• 55:21Speaker 02

  Like, him coming out was like a reveal. It's like, this is their queen for the season. Yeah, they're like rooting for him. I love that.

• 55:26Drew Afualo?

  I know, I found that so, yeah, I was just like, I don't, I don't give a fuck, but like, I'm happy for y'all.

• 55:33Speaker 02

  Sure, Catholics, hey, Catholics, shout out. Y'all do your thing.

• 55:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, do what you gotta do.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  Do your thing. I think his robes are cool. I think I don't care much about his ideas. And go nuts, I think.

• 55:43Drew Afualo?

  And also, if you were the Pope, wouldn't you just start kind of like making shit up? I'd just start saying shit.

• 55:48Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 55:49Drew Afualo?

  I'd just start saying shit.

• 55:50Speaker 02

  Also, it's so funny, they never listen to him. Every Pope is like, we need to do something about poor people and genocide, and they're like, "Okay, Pope." I love it. I love it. They're like, he's a good one. It's like, are you gonna do something or not?

• 56:02Drew Afualo?

  They're like, he's just like the last one.

• 56:04Speaker 02

  He just said, "Do something." He just said, "Do something," and they're like, "We'll see you on Sunday, brother." It's like, "Do something."

• 56:12Drew Afualo?

  Sunday and Easter, we'll see you then.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  Every Pope is like, "I am worried about the poor. I am worried about poverty. I am worried about the ongoing genocides in every place that they're occurring." And then the followers are like, "Anyway, let's get in the suburban, y'all." "We have mass." It's like, "Do something." "What are you doing?"

• 56:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, what's the point of the job?

• 56:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like, also, if they would take all that stuff seriously, I would be okay with their position on gay people, you know what I mean? Like, if every Catholic in the world got really concerned about Palestine right now,

• 56:40Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 56:40Speaker 02

  but still didn't want two men to get married, I'd be like, "All right, take what we can get."

• 56:46Speaker 02

  I'd be like, "Hey, let's handle that one first, and then maybe we'll win you over."

• 56:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 56:51Drew Afualo?

  Okay, I have other fun facts for you. This one, it says you were on the Missouri State Homecoming Planning Committee in 2014 and then later in 2016 you were on the College Homecoming Court. Once again, super involved in campus. And did you win?

• 57:04Speaker 02

  No. I will, I, my campaign for Homecoming King, I was, I didn't really want to do it. And so my theme was, my, you know, you had to pick like a theme and like make posters and everything and you had to like run, like I'd make graphics and all that stuff. My theme was, um, my theme was you can vote for me if you want to. And my like slogan was like, maybe we can do it, you know? And it was so, like, everyone would dress up and you would, you would go speak it all month long of homecoming. You would speak at like organizations and you would like.

• 57:31Drew Afualo?

  Like on campus ones?

• 57:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, you would go to like the meeting of like the chess club.

• 57:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 57:35Speaker 02

  And you would wear a costume and throw out candy and try to get people to vote for you. I went to every one of them in like jeans and a t-shirt and was like, I don't have a speech, um, yeah, you guys can vote for me if you want to. I've done a lot of like charity and stuff on campus. This is where I'm from.

• 57:49Drew Afualo?

  Damn, and that didn't work?

• 57:50Speaker 02

  It didn't, no, it did not excite the masses. And I think I lost to a guy from a Christian youth group who dressed as a SpongeBob. He dressed as SpongeBob and threw out like SpongeBob themed candy at every meeting.

• 58:01Drew Afualo?

  That's cra- that's ironic because they can't watch that because gay.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, you know.

• 58:05Drew Afualo?

  All the alleged gay allegations.

• 58:07Speaker 02

  I got beat by Christianity in the homecoming race and that was a shock to me at Missouri State. Uh, yeah.

• 58:15Drew Afualo?

  Shock to my core.

• 58:15Speaker 02

  I lost, I lost.

• 58:17Drew Afualo?

  When I was in high school, I ran for like senior, like ASP council, but I, I wanted to run for something for college specifically. I didn't even really want to do it, but I was like, well, I'm gonna do it. Because it'll look good on my college application. And so I picked treasurer or secretary because it was like the, the one with the least amount of responsibilities. So I was like, I just want that one. Like, that's the one I want to do. But like, in order to do that, like the year before, you had to be like on someone else's team to help them win. So this girl asked to, asked me to be like her representative. I was like, sure, and they had this big fair and each one, it was, there was always a theme and the theme this year was like Disney Pixar. So you had to like have a booth and then decorate it like fucking crazy, give a speech, everybody had to be dressed like a character.

• 59:02Drew Afualo?

  Hers was Toy Story.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:04Drew Afualo?

  So she was like, yeah, like, so I'm gonna be Jessie and like my boyfriend's gonna be Woody and then like someone else is like, okay, I was like, okay, okay, T, T, T. And she was like, you don't have to tell me, but like you could just come just somewhere in that realm. I'm like, okay. Next day I show up to school and I had overalls and like a red, like long sleeve. And the overalls were like too small and too tight and then I had my mom's cowboy boots on and then. I walked in and I had like, just like a stick with me and she was like, who are you supposed to be? And then I was like, I'm Stinky Pete.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:35Drew Afualo?

  And then she was like, why did you pick him out of all the? Like she was like, you could be Bo Peep or you could be like, I'm like, yeah, no, for sure. I think I'm gonna be.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  I'm Stinky Pete.

• 59:45Drew Afualo?

  And then she was like, she was like so upset that I dressed like that, like I even put dirt on my face and everything, cause I just thought it was like.

• 59:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're her representative and you chose Stinky Pete.

• 59:56Speaker 02

  She's like, I'm trying to win, bitch, have you lost your mind?

• 59:59Drew Afualo?

  And the thing is too, that they would pick who they thought was popular in that grade, so they could help them win, like go and tell people, hey, vote for so and so, whatever. And I was like, girl, if you think I'm not gonna clock votes in this, you're crazy.

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  I'm gonna rein in the votes as Stinky Pete.

• 1:00:12Drew Afualo?

  Trust me when I say.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:14Drew Afualo?

  I was like, I got a butt flap on my overalls. Like she was so annoyed at me that she made me sit in the back, so no one could see.

• 1:00:21Speaker 02

  Not Stinky Pete segregation. Please, Stinky Pete civil rights now. Immediately. We won't go back.

• 1:00:29Drew Afualo?

  And she was like, and my sister asked me, she's like, why would you dress as him? And I was like, well, I already had the overalls, like.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  It was funny.

• 1:00:36Drew Afualo?

  One plus one.

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, hello. Yeah.

• 1:00:39Drew Afualo?

  I'm all about a, I'm all about a bit.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  You know what no one, like, no one likes to talk about?

• 1:00:43Drew Afualo?

  Hmm.

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  Mr. And Miss Potato Head, Potato Head's freaky asses.

• 1:00:46Drew Afualo?

  But why is that?

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  They're freaks. I can tell they're sexual freaks.

• 1:00:49Drew Afualo?

  Like swingers?

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  The way that shit moves around, yeah. The way they can put their mouth anywhere, that's crazy.

• 1:00:53Drew Afualo?

  You dress as up as her?

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  You're one hundred percent.

• 1:00:56Drew Afualo?

  I guarantee it.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  One hundred percent. He puts his lips in her ear and shit.

• 1:00:59Drew Afualo?

  He wears her lips.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  They're freaks, yeah.

• 1:01:01Drew Afualo?

  And her ears with the pearl earrings.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  They're swapping eyeballs, it's crazy. You know it got freaky, I know it stink. I know it stink in the potato head house.

• 1:01:11Drew Afualo?

  Till the room stinks at Mr. Potato Head's house?

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:13Drew Afualo?

  Okay, on to your, it says you, uh, when you were 15, you got accused of blasphemy on a youth mission trip for saying a salt shaker had magic powers?

• 1:01:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. And that was about the moment I decided a church might not be for me. I was planning around, we were on a, we were on a mission trip and we were, by the way, the mission trip was like, we were building some woman in Tennessee a bathroom. So I'm like...

• 1:01:38Drew Afualo?

  This feels more like-

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  We couldn't find anything else?

• 1:01:40Drew Afualo?

  Mission trip or Task Rabbit?

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  That's, I'm like, kinda, yeah. And it was like, it was, it was like, oh, this woman lives in poverty in the mountains of, the Smoky Mountains. I'm like, right, but a toilet's like, number one for us? Like, she, I, I couldn't believe it. So, we're there-

• 1:01:53Drew Afualo?

  They're having you build a pool house for her?

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  Oh, we're digging, we're digging. I mean, there's like shovels, it's like hard labor. And we're digging to, cause we had to like, clear, like, level out the ground. We're digging and I found a salt and pepper, salt and pepper shaker's like, in the dirt from like, oh, way back when.

• 1:02:06Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  And I pulled them out and I was like, oh my god, you guys, look, I found a treasure. Like, what if they have magic powers and they like, talk to us, you know? I'm like, being goofy. I'm like, bored as fuck. I'm like, digging holes and shit. You know what I mean? It was like, it was like in, literally in the movie Holes when they found like, the lipstick. I'm like, ooh, what do I get?

• 1:02:21Drew Afualo?

  Jason Cate Barlow?

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like, ooh. And my youth pastor was like, Caleb, can I talk to you over here for a second?

• 1:02:28Speaker 02

  And I was like, of course. I'm thinking like, I'm gonna get a prize, or like, I'm done digging for the day, or something.

• 1:02:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they say they give you full water and you get to go home early.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:36Drew Afualo?

  Shower.

• 1:02:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:37Drew Afualo?

  You get cold showers.

• 1:02:38Speaker 02

  Maybe I get to talk to my attorney on the phone, or something? He goes, he goes, he goes, he goes, Caleb, we love having fun, man, and you're just like a blast, but, um, you know, at the end of the day, we shouldn't say things like that. Like, it's like, God doesn't wanna hear us talking about like, objects as having like, magic powers.

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• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  That's like blasphemous. I'm like about to start crying when he says it, you know? I'm so, I'm like, I would never blaspheme God, you know? I'm like, truly, I'm like, the Creator of the universe is mad at me? You know, I'm like, fuck. So I was so bent out of shape about it. I was like, truly-

• 1:04:12Drew Afualo?

  What a stupid thing to get in trouble.

• 1:04:15Speaker 02

  I know, and truly, and I was, I had not like come into my like, it was, this is like middle school and high school is when I really came into my like, being a problem for teachers because I would tell them to fuck off kind of vibe. Uh, but I hadn't come into that yet. So I was like, the rest of the trip, I was like, I was like, does anyone want to do like extra scripture reading tonight? You know, I'm like,

• 1:04:35Speaker 02

  I'm trying to redeem myself. I'm like, I'm like, who wants to study extra scripture tonight, boys? You know, I might try, I also tried to get on to other people. Like, so I try, I remember, I vividly remember like two days after that, still on the mission trip, somebody said something that was so clearly not blasphemy. And I was like, let's just be careful of blasphemy, y'all.

• 1:04:53Drew Afualo?

  He doesn't take kindly to that.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  Did anyone hear Lucas, who was doing blasphemy potentially?

• 1:04:58Drew Afualo?

  He is probably worse than my salt shaker thing.

• 1:05:00Speaker 02

  I'm like trying to get my youth pastor's attention. I'm like, that's not right. Should we be letting that slide or just checking?

• 1:05:09Drew Afualo?

  That's stupid.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  If I go down, Lucas is going down with me. Oh my God, did we see and hear or what?

• 1:05:16Drew Afualo?

  I've been to church camp a few times.

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:05:18Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:05:18Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:05:19Drew Afualo?

  I sure have.

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  What were you doing over there? What were you doing over there?

• 1:05:25Drew Afualo?

  Uh, being a fucking nuisance apparently. Uh, when I was, uh, went to church camp, Adam knows. I've been to church camp a couple of times, but I remember, I think the first time I went, like, they, they split you up into teams. And like, obviously you have no phones or anything for like, three or four days. Um, we were the, me and my sister were the only siblings they split up. Like, every other sibling got put on the same team and I was like, what the fuck?

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  They knew you were too powerful.

• 1:05:49Drew Afualo?

  Immediately, I was like, what the fuck, bro? While I'm, while I'm fucking there, I was just looking at it like-

• 1:05:56Speaker 02

  They said, two idiot girls, fat fucking chance.

• 1:05:59Drew Afualo?

  When we did shot put in high school, one time, our coach separate, he's like, oh, varsity over there, JV over there. My sister and I were walking, he goes, not you two, I'm splitting you up. And I said, why? And then he was like, cause the giggle twins need to be separated.

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  Period.

• 1:06:13Drew Afualo?

  And he called us the giggle twins.

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  Period. I'm, I'm starting, I'ma call y'all that from now on.

• 1:06:16Drew Afualo?

  And then me and Jason laughed for so long, he was like, this is what I'm talking about, get over there.

• 1:06:20Speaker 02

  Get your giggling asses over to the shot put.

• 1:06:23Drew Afualo?

  For real. Anyways, at church camp, I was looking at it like, this is just fun time. Because like, it's really hard for me to like, buy in in a lot of instances and stuff like that. Like, anything with organizers, it's really hard for me. I tried to suspend reality while I, when I'm in there.

• 1:06:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:39Drew Afualo?

  And sometimes I felt like I felt it.

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:41Drew Afualo?

  But then most times I felt like I was holding my hands up and I was just copying everyone.

• 1:06:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:45Drew Afualo?

  Cause I felt left out, cause everyone's feeling the spirit and I couldn't.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:48Drew Afualo?

  So I was like, and then I remember we, like, one, my sister, my sister was really into it. But I remember most times I was like, I would look at her and I'd be like, you're not buying in. Oh, you are, okay.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  Okay, my bad, my bad, my bad.

• 1:06:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and then I remember we said the sinner's prayer together, when you're like, dedicating it. And I remember we were saying it, everyone was like, so emotional. Like, they asked me and my sister to come if we wanted to say it. And my sister was like, yes. And then I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.

• 1:07:13Speaker 02

  Jason's gay ass.

• 1:07:14Drew Afualo?

  For real. And then I was sitting there, I remember we were, we were doing the prayer and we were holding hands and we're in a circle, and then I kept going. Totally good days and I was like, oh damn, she's really doing this shit.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  Okay, fuck, fuck, fuck.

• 1:07:25Drew Afualo?

  The whole time I was going, oh fuck, okay, she's being for real. And then I couldn't think, I was like, oh, she's being for real, she's being for real.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 1:07:32Drew Afualo?

  Well, and then things took a more serious turn, so clearly I've turned away.

• 1:07:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I gotta get out of here. Hey, thank y'all so much, this was a blast.

• 1:07:40Drew Afualo?

  Appreciate you.

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  Truly, people tuning into this episode thinking they're gonna get like, like us being loud, gay and crazy and us being like, well, when I went to church.

• 1:07:48Drew Afualo?

  We have similar backstories, being too silly for church camp.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  When I was involved in the religion, you know? Sorry, sometimes we have to talk about church, y'all, get with it. Wait, I was thinking something when you were saying that, about, you were saying, you went to church camp sometimes, what the hell was I thinking of?

• 1:08:03Drew Afualo?

  I don't know.

• 1:08:03Speaker 02

  Ooh, maybe it'll come back to me.

• 1:08:05Drew Afualo?

  I was talking about, it treated it like summer camp.

• 1:08:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:08Drew Afualo?

  I didn't feel the spirit.

• 1:08:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's gonna have to come back to me and escaped me.

• 1:08:13Drew Afualo?

  I, I do have a final fun fact for you.

• 1:08:15Speaker 02

  Okay, I love it.

• 1:08:16Drew Afualo?

  And this is our funnest fact, I think. Does the name Barbara Tennessee mean anything to you?

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  Barbara Tennessee, no?

• 1:08:24Drew Afualo?

  Here's the pic. For those who want to.

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  Fuck is that?

• 1:08:28Drew Afualo?

  Go ahead, take her for a spin. Does that mean anything to you personally?

• 1:08:34Speaker 02

  Barbara Tennessee.

• 1:08:36Drew Afualo?

  He thinks he knows her personally.

• 1:08:37Speaker 02

  I'm so scared, who is this?

• 1:08:39Drew Afualo?

  It says, your improv team Fancy Fancy broke the Chicago record for most consecutive cage match wins.

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:46Drew Afualo?

  Eighteen wins in a row.

• 1:08:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:48Drew Afualo?

  And your prize was a framed photo of Barbara Tennessee.

• 1:08:51Speaker 02

  So, okay, so.

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  You've, you've, you've, you've gone too far.

• 1:08:58Speaker 02

  And you've invoked a level of like stupid Chicago improv, like, you, you actually, I'm actually worried that you're gonna think less of me when you, if you knew the kind of stupid shit I participated in, in Chicago improv.

• 1:09:11Drew Afualo?

  Oh, a cage match?

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Drew Afualo?

  Being associated with your improv team called Fancy Fancy?

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, um.

• 1:09:22Speaker 02

  This show.

• 1:09:23Drew Afualo?

  The new pope.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Her name's Barbara Tennessee. We do need a southern pope.

• 1:09:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, we do.

• 1:09:29Speaker 02

  We need a southern woman pope who's like had it.

• 1:09:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:32Speaker 02

  Who's that woman, who's that white woman that has the, the podcast, the I've Had It podcast?

• 1:09:35Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  And she, I'm loving her, by the way.

• 1:09:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:38Speaker 02

  I don't know their names, but I'm loving her. Cause she, their podcast start, their podcast truly started out, I, I just saw, I would see clips of it. And it was like, she'd be like, she'd be like, y'all, if you don't return your card at the grocery store, I have just about had it. And now, after the election, she's got like Rahm Emanuel on and she's like, we will protect trans kids with our fucking lives, Rahm.

• 1:09:58Drew Afualo?

  I love them.

• 1:09:59Speaker 02

  And I'm like, living for that bitch.

• 1:10:00Drew Afualo?

  I love them.

• 1:10:01Speaker 02

  I love them.

• 1:10:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  Um, no, this is, so, there was, when I first moved to Chicago, I was working my day job. I had a crazy like three night run where like every single week, on Tuesday nights, I would host a midnight to 3 a.m. uh, improv jam with my friends Matt and Claire. We had a team called Paris Texas. And we ran this show called BYOT, Bring Your Own Team, at a theater called The Crowd Theater, which was an attic in, uh, Buena Park, Chicago.

• 1:10:28Drew Afualo?

  It feels like you're casting a spell on me.

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  I know, I know, this is what I'm trying to say to you, it was nuts. It's, so we would do that from like midnight to like 3 a.m. on Tuesday night. We all had day jobs. And then we would go get milkshakes across the street at this place called Windy City Heroes. And then, I know.

• 1:10:42Drew Afualo?

  Were you in the plot of Grease?

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  The middle of the, yeah, the middle of the night. We're going to like a fucking sock hop. And then, we, I would go home, my day job, I had to be up at like 6:30 in the morning, cause I worked, uh, with teachers. So I would get up at 6:30 in the morning, go to downtown Chicago to my office, work until 4 p.m., 4:30 p.m. Then I had an internship.

• 1:11:00Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:11:01Speaker 02

  At I.O., um, improv theater, where I worked in the box office in exchange for free classes. I did not get paid. So once a week, I worked a six and a half hour shift, every week, for free, to get free improv classes. Which is, of course, the scam of the century. But I couldn't afford improv classes, so I was like, fucking hell, yeah.

• 1:11:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  Cause at the nonprofit I worked at, I made $26,000 a year.

• 1:11:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  Living in Chicago.

• 1:11:24Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  Uh, which was also the scam of the century. So I was one of the most scammed people alive there briefly. And then, Wednesday nights was Cage Match, which was this competition show where you would, you would do a set, and you would compete against another team every week. And whoever won got to go on to the next week, and the audience voted on who had the better set.

• 1:11:39Drew Afualo?

  It's like March Madness for improv kids.

• 1:11:41Speaker 02

  And so, we ran for 18 weeks, which is psychotic. And it was like, there was another team called like LL Cool Beans.

• 1:11:51Speaker 02

  They had the record before that and they like, they were like retired or something, but they came back to like try and beat us before we beat their record. Psycho and we were serious about it.

• 1:12:00Drew Afualo?

  Eighteen weeks is a long ass time.

• 1:12:03Speaker 02

  And mind you, I'm staying up until four in the morning on Tuesday, Tuesday night, Wednesday morning, going to work at seven, working all day, doing the internship until 11. And then Cage Match was at 11:30 on Wednesday nights. So I'd work until my internship ended, then do that show, be out until two, then get up and go to my day job the next day. And then it was Thursday, Friday, so it was time for the weekend shows. So there was a period of like a year and a half there where I would say per week I slept maybe on average like three or four hours a night.

• 1:12:31Drew Afualo?

  You're crazy.

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  It was psycho.

• 1:12:32Drew Afualo?

  You're the David Goggins of improv.

• 1:12:34Speaker 02

  It was psycho. I was doing that to improvise for free. Actually, I was losing money to do that and it was so much fun.

• 1:12:40Drew Afualo?

  Someone who needs to be funny. So like you're just born to be funny and be in the, in the realm of comedy.

• 1:12:46Speaker 02

  I was also, uh, working at it. I mean, that's the thing. Some of these people.

• 1:12:50Drew Afualo?

  That's what I mean.

• 1:12:51Speaker 02

  No, no, I'm not, this isn't shade to you. I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, oh, some of these people now that are just like funny on the internet. Like some of these comedians that wanna be doing, they're like, oh my God, I wanna be acting and I wanna be doing stand up and I wanna whatever, but they're just making videos.

• 1:13:03Drew Afualo?

  I know.

• 1:13:03Speaker 02

  I'm like, girl, get to a theater. I'm begging you. If you wanna be specifically onstage, you have to go be onstage. You can't just get the audience and then go be onstage.

• 1:13:11Drew Afualo?

  No, you're right.

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  Like if you wanna do a stand up or improv or acting, like those are things that you need to go like work the skill out in person.

• 1:13:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:18Speaker 02

  And there's different things, like, you know, there's podcasting and then things like that that you can do, but like the, the stage work was so important.

• 1:13:24Drew Afualo?

  I agree. It's a different energy.

• 1:13:26Speaker 02

  It's a different energy and it was tough.

• 1:13:27Drew Afualo?

  Especially improv. Like that's why I told, I think I told you when I had Sabrina Breyer on.

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:32Drew Afualo?

  We left, she goes, me and Caleb talk about improv all the time. She goes, cause we're like, oh, it's so disgusting and embarrassing. And she's like, and at the same time, we're like, I'm really fucking proud of you.

• 1:13:42Speaker 02

  Well, and Fancy Fancy was Chance.

• 1:13:45Drew Afualo?

  Oh, love.

• 1:13:45Speaker 02

  Who produces my show, you know, and my buddy Doyle and my buddy, uh, Gabby Boyd and Bryce Griffin. And we all, we all, uh, me, Chance Doyle and Bryce went to college together and Gabby, went to a different school, but we, so anyway, when we got to Chicago, we formed this five. Person team and we're like, we need a girl. Gabby, will you be on our team? And then, yeah, we had this team called Fancy Fancy.

• 1:14:04Drew Afualo?

  When you do like the sets against each other, do they give you the same like center point to focus on? Or is it just random?

• 1:14:10Speaker 02

  No, you would come, you would just come out and I mean, this was like one of the only competition shows, I think, going in Chicago.

• 1:14:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  But you would just come out and get your suggestion as normal and then, and then do your set. And it wasn't, it wasn't even really about who was better. It was like who invited more friends, basically. It was like, it was like, who could you get to come and sit through this to like cast their vote at the end? I'm like, I'm like messaging my coworkers on Slack every day being like, guys.

• 1:14:33Drew Afualo?

  You're as busy?

• 1:14:33Speaker 02

  I have a show this week. If you, you said you wanted to support me, like this is the way. Like I was like begging. Insanity, complete insanity.

• 1:14:41Drew Afualo?

  Well, you know what? It's funny. Speaking of Chicago, you just had a huge show there.

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  I did.

• 1:14:45Drew Afualo?

  And I came and it got to be a small part of.

• 1:14:47Speaker 02

  You were the guest on the Chicago Theater Show.

• 1:14:49Drew Afualo?

  Which was so exciting for you. That's why it's such a full circle thing for you.

• 1:14:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was really cute. Me, you, uh, the Chicago Gay Men's Chorus, uh, Shay Kool-Aid.

• 1:14:58Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 1:14:59Speaker 02

  We had a fucking blast.

• 1:15:00Drew Afualo?

  We did.

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  It was a funny show.

• 1:15:01Drew Afualo?

  It was fucking crazy.

• 1:15:03Speaker 02

  It was a good one. I think we're gonna put, um, I think we're gonna put your episode out as like a bonus episode on our Patreon.

• 1:15:08Drew Afualo?

  Ooh.

• 1:15:09Speaker 02

  Cause we recorded some of it and we've got some like behind the scenes stuff of like me getting ready or whatever, I think.

• 1:15:12Drew Afualo?

  Fun.

• 1:15:13Speaker 02

  Um, that's gonna be, that's gonna be fun.

• 1:15:14Drew Afualo?

  I remember when you came in my dressing room, Caleb goes, yeah, everyone's being super gay today.

• 1:15:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. Everyone was. They were like trying to get me to cry all day. They're like, bitch, Chicago Theater sold out. Like wow. Like Virginia was crying all day. We had got to the venue and she was like, hey, I just need to rent some things by you. I was like, yo.

• 1:15:34Drew Afualo?

  She was crying when I came in the door. She said that's like the sixth time.

• 1:15:38Speaker 02

  Chance was like hyperventilating all day. Like everyone was being so gay. I was like, guys, it's another night at work. We have got to like, let's pull it together. Let's do the show.

• 1:15:46Drew Afualo?

  I know. You're so annoying. Even when I asked you, are you excited? Are you, are you feeling emotional? You're like, I'll do it after the show.

• 1:15:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:52Drew Afualo?

  Cause imagine I bomb.

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:54Drew Afualo?

  I'm getting all emo and then I bomb.

• 1:15:56Speaker 02

  Well, let's not do the, let's not do the weepy main post on Instagram before we kill. Let's kill first and then we'll see if we feel weepy and emotional.

• 1:16:03Drew Afualo?

  Annoying, oh my gosh.

• 1:16:06Speaker 02

  But you were so great. I was so glad you could come and do it.

• 1:16:08Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, of course. I'm so, I'm honored to have been asked. And that was my first time seeing The Bean. I had never seen The Bean.

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  The Bean!

• 1:16:15Drew Afualo?

  Never seen it before.

• 1:16:15Speaker 02

  Cloud Gate, shout out Cloud Gate.

• 1:16:17Drew Afualo?

  And we went to, I think it's Garrett's, the popcorn? Is it Garrett's?

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:21Drew Afualo?

  We went there for the first time.

• 1:16:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:23Drew Afualo?

  I was trying to get the full Chicago experience.

• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, did you have a hot dog or a deep dish or something?

• 1:16:28Drew Afualo?

  I had a deep dish. I did not have a hot dog. Jason did though.

• 1:16:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:32Drew Afualo?

  She loves a hot dog.

• 1:16:32Speaker 02

  Where'd you get deep dish?

• 1:16:34Drew Afualo?

  I don't remember the name of it.

• 1:16:36Speaker 02

  Oh fuck.

• 1:16:36Drew Afualo?

  It was really good though.

• 1:16:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:37Drew Afualo?

  It's delicious.

• 1:16:38Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:16:39Drew Afualo?

  It's more bread and sauce than I anticipated.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  And yeah, it's a hot boiling pit in your stomach afterwards. Deep dish is a crazy, crazy endeavor. Yeah, it's nuts. It's really fucking nuts.

• 1:16:51Drew Afualo?

  And I stayed at a hotel that was like, it was a really nice one. It was like, looked almost like Art Deco-y.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:57Drew Afualo?

  But it was like right across the street from Trump Tower.

• 1:16:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:00Drew Afualo?

  So I just took a lot of pictures of me flipping off the building.

• 1:17:02Speaker 02

  Why?

• 1:17:03Drew Afualo?

  That was fun.

• 1:17:04Speaker 02

  Why would you do that?

• 1:17:05Drew Afualo?

  To our commander in chief.

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  That's our president. I just respect the office.

• 1:17:09Drew Afualo?

  That's yours.

• 1:17:09Speaker 02

  I just respect the office.

• 1:17:14Drew Afualo?

  That does remind me though of when Jason told me she was watching, I think it was the new Mr. and Mrs. Smith. She was watching one of the episodes and like, you know on Prime, like they'll, like when they're streaming it, you're like, they'll pull up their IMDB and they'll have your photo and your name.

• 1:17:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:29Drew Afualo?

  And you were on there like next to the main two.

• 1:17:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:31Drew Afualo?

  And Jason was like, oh my god, are you in this episode? I just watched it. You're like, funny you ask. Um, they cut my part.

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, they kept my voice. Well, I don't know if, I told someone this, but I don't know if it was you or not, but they cut my, I had a role in it that I had auditioned for and gotten, that was like a cab driver for Maya's character. And they kept my voice, but cut my, my face and just used me as like a voiceover while she's like looking out a window or whatever. Which like Maya's a star and she's wonderful and that makes total sense. But I was pissed. I was like, I flew fucking all the way to New York the time I was living in LA. I flew all the way to New York. I did the fucking COVID precautions and did all that shit. And then did, I did, I worked so hard to make that scene happen. Because of all the flying and the fucking fitting in my schedule. And then to cut me, I was pissed. I was like, fuck you guys. And then I got that first residual check and I said, thank you. I said, "Thanks for leaving my voice in there."

• 1:18:22Drew Afualo?

  Hey shouts out, Amazon.

• 1:18:22Speaker 02

  Hey, thank you, cuz you actually did me a huge favor and I was being a bitch. Yeah, I was like, "Thank you for leaving my voice in there, that's huge."

• 1:18:29Drew Afualo?

  Thank you so much.

• 1:18:30Speaker 02

  Massive, thank you, thank you, thank you.

• 1:18:31Drew Afualo?

  I watched, um, I'll tell you after, but I watched a video, a movie that's coming out because I'm doing the carpet for it. And recently, and I was what, there's a scene where they're sitting and like, they're on a date and they're sitting in like a sushi restaurant. And they're like, um, it was filmed so beautifully, so it's like they're, the only thing's in focus, but like, everything else is kinda moving around. And there's like a hibachi, like, there's like an omakase chef like behind them a lot, you see him a lot.

• 1:18:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:56Drew Afualo?

  And we were watching the movie, I was like, "That's what they're fucking gonna cast me as."

• 1:19:02Speaker 02

  The blurred omakase chef in the background?

• 1:19:05Drew Afualo?

  My hat's really tall.

• 1:19:06Speaker 02

  Moving knives like this?

• 1:19:08Drew Afualo?

  That's like, oh, that's what I'm looking down the barrel of.

• 1:19:11Speaker 02

  That's what I have coming.

• 1:19:12Drew Afualo?

  Of the future of my acting career.

• 1:19:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think so, but I, hey, I'd love to see you as an omakase chef.

• 1:19:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you know what, you and I, you, me and Brittany need to be in a new version of The Hangover.

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  Come on!

• 1:19:23Drew Afualo?

  I pitched that to you.

• 1:19:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, as long as Brittany's the one who gets lost.

• 1:19:28Drew Afualo?

  No, that's Trixie, we'll make that Trixie.

• 1:19:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, we'll make that Trixie.

• 1:19:31Drew Afualo?

  Trixie can be the one that's on the fucking roof.

• 1:19:32Speaker 02

  Has anyone seen Our Busted Bald Friend?

• 1:19:35Drew Afualo?

  You know what's funny is that movie would've been a lot shorter cuz we would've kept partying.

• 1:19:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:38Drew Afualo?

  And been like, "Oh, she'll find us eventually."

• 1:19:40Speaker 02

  Anyway. Best of luck, man.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:45Drew Afualo?

  I fucking love you.

• 1:19:45Speaker 02

  I got a tiger to deal with, I love you.

• 1:19:47Drew Afualo?

  You're the best.

• 1:19:48Speaker 02

  I love you more than life itself.

• 1:19:49Drew Afualo?

  Same.

• 1:19:50Speaker 02

  I would do anything for you, as long as it fit into my schedule.

• 1:19:54Drew Afualo?

  And it wasn't asking too much of me.

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  If I was feeling it that day and I was available, I would do anything for you.

• 1:20:00Drew Afualo?

  I fucking love you, thank you so much for coming back.

• 1:20:02Speaker 02

  I love you, buddy, thanks for having me.

• 1:20:03Drew Afualo?

  You're just gonna keep coming.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:05Drew Afualo?

  You're haunting me.

• 1:20:06Speaker 02

  Here's hoping.

• 1:20:08Speaker 02

  Hey, I hope.

• 1:20:09Drew Afualo?

  Well, if we ever find ourselves in the senate, I guess we'll see.

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, we should fuck in the senate.

• 1:20:14Drew Afualo?

  We should.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, aww.

• 1:20:15Drew Afualo?

  Girls trip.

• 1:20:16Speaker 02

  Girls trip.

• 1:20:17Drew Afualo?

  Let's take Brittany.

• 1:20:18Speaker 02

  Get ready with me to fuck Drew in the senate.

• 1:20:22Speaker 02

  I'm putting on mascara. I'm like, so Drew and I have never fucked.

• 1:20:26Drew Afualo?

  I have those, like, the headbands. Get ready with me.

• 1:20:29Speaker 02

  I guess I'm being presumptive. I assume I'll top.

• 1:20:33Drew Afualo?

  You know you ain't topping with me.

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  Come on!

• 1:20:37Drew Afualo?

  Thank you so much for coming back. I fucking love you. Thank you all so much for watching. Everybody already knows because they, for some reason, think you're a co-host of this show. But where can everybody find you?

• 1:20:47Speaker 02

  Hey, guys. It's me, Caleb. You can find me @CalebSaysThings on the internet if you want to. You can follow me on Instagram, TikTok, Substack, and pretty much anywhere else that you are on the internet. You can watch my podcast, So True, which comes out every single Thursday. Which Drew has been a guest on multiple times and will come back to soon. Now she has to because I did this. She doesn't have a choice.

• 1:21:10Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 1:21:11Speaker 02

  And you can find me in the streets of New York City. Thank you.

• 1:21:18Drew Afualo?

  Thank you so much for tuning into this episode of the Comment Section Show. Thank you so much to my amazing guest, Caleb Hearon. Don't forget, new episodes of the Comment Section come out every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms with the video list for free and exclusively on our favorite platform, Spotify. Please, for the love of God, stop fucking asking me where can I watch this on Spotify? As of right now, okay? Thank you so much. Thank you to my amazing guest, Caleb, and I'll see you next week. Bye!