ALL TWINS ARE BAD Ft. E.R. Fightmaster | Episode 163

E. R. Fightmaster is back on the show this week!! Drew and E. R. talk about hating transphobes online, finding someone who matches your freak, self-tapes, Tall Girl, dating twins, playing a cat piano, and so much more. Shop Billie in-store and at https://www.mybillie.com https://www.mybillie.com/ E. R. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/genderless_gap_ad/ E. R. Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@e.r.fightmaster?lang=en Follow The Comment Section on IG! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 1:02Drew Afualo?

  Obviously, we know you're a Gemini. I already knew that about you and that you're from Cincinnati, Ohio.

• 1:06Speaker 05

  Okay, listing my disabilities?

• 1:11Speaker 05

  That's crazy.

• 1:19Drew Afualo?

  Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show, starring me, your fave, who cares about me? Who cares about me? Onto the guest. Today, we have another iconic, all-star, the legendary, the multi-talented ER Fight Master.

• 1:34Drew Afualo?

  Welcome back.

• 1:34Speaker 05

  That felt nice.

• 1:35Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I bet. That's what I do. I just jerk everybody off, just in the beginning. Just a little.

• 1:40Speaker 05

  And then I want, kind of, to be torn apart.

• 1:42Drew Afualo?

  There you go. I got an edge.

• 1:43Speaker 05

  This is a takedown.

• 1:45Drew Afualo?

  Build you up, take you down.

• 1:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:48Drew Afualo?

  I'm so happy to have you back.

• 1:50Speaker 05

  I have only grown more and more obsessed with you in our...

• 1:54Drew Afualo?

  Likewise.

• 1:55Speaker 05

  ...in our absence from one another.

• 1:58Speaker 05

  Watching you all year long, you know, getting your book, listening to your book. I chose to listen.

• 2:05Drew Afualo?

  That is true.

• 2:05Speaker 05

  Because I wanted to hear your voice. It was horny if you haven't heard.

• 2:10Drew Afualo?

  Because we miss each other.

• 2:11Speaker 05

  It was horny because it was activism, but it was like.

• 2:16Drew Afualo?

  Which is funny because I've heard my, my voice, I feel like I sound a little cornball. But I don't feel like that when I hear my voice in other things, just in my book for some reason.

• 2:24Speaker 05

  I, I don't ever need to hear my voice and I have chosen only careers in which I'm gonna hear it all the time. And every time I hear it, I'm like, that's, that's fucking gross.

• 2:36Drew Afualo?

  You were telling me that you've narrated audiobooks and you've done audio erotica.

• 2:40Speaker 05

  I have, I've done audio erotica and, which was hard. It's like fun, but it's hard. And you, you know, talk about like feeling like a cornball, you know?

• 2:49Drew Afualo?

  That's what I mean. Are you doing foley at the same time? Like?

• 2:53Speaker 05

  I'm just like.

• 2:55Drew Afualo?

  You're spanking, you're like.

• 2:57Speaker 05

  I mean, you'd be surprised. Well, it is weird also because I was doing it with someone who was odd, like there in my.

• 3:03Drew Afualo?

  Headphones, oh, okay.

• 3:05Speaker 05

  It's like, I'm listening to this like femme with this gorgeous, professional audio erotica voice. And every once in a while, like she'll have a line of dialogue and it'll come into my ears and I'll be like, huh.

• 3:16Drew Afualo?

  Forget where you're at for a sec.

• 3:18Speaker 05

  But the noises that like I make when I'm like turned on are like.

• 3:24Speaker 05

  They're certainly not.

• 3:25Drew Afualo?

  They're not registering the same way.

• 3:27Speaker 05

  I'm acting, it's the hardest acting I've ever done.

• 3:30Drew Afualo?

  I bet. And then you narrated someone else's book.

• 3:33Speaker 05

  I did, I narrated Corey McCarthy's book, uh, but Manowar. And it was this like book about this trans kid in Ohio. And that was hard because it's three days in a cave, as you know, for like 10 to 12 hours a day. And like I was telling you, they like, you're, you're reading for somehow two hours straight. And then suddenly someone be like, hey, can we stop you? Like, that's actually not how you say sizz. And I'm fully like, I fucking edit it out.

• 4:06Drew Afualo?

  Hey, fix it in post, I want to keep going.

• 4:08Speaker 05

  I don't, I would, I did start at the end of it, you know, you go kind of insane and at the end of it, I was kind of like, well, why don't you just, why don't you just say it and we'll dub it in?

• 4:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you go ahead and take over for me then, why don't you do that? Take the reins from me.

• 4:21Speaker 05

  Rip it Angela. I don't care.

• 4:25Drew Afualo?

  What's funny is when I did mine, I had the producer, she was great too, in my ear and she did stop me a few times. I think the hardest part was when they were asking me if I could record some laughs. Every time they ask me to do that, they have to be forced, which inherently makes them corny, so like,

• 4:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:41Drew Afualo?

  The amount of times I've had to force my own cackle and it doesn't sound anything like my real laugh, but I just kinda have to give it to them.

• 4:48Speaker 05

  Fake laughter is like, it's so much harder than fake tears.

• 4:51Drew Afualo?

  I know.

• 4:51Speaker 05

  It's really, really hard, especially because like, my own laugh is like, it's a honk. It's like, a honk, like aha, and then a...

• 5:04Speaker 05

  You don't want that.

• 5:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they're like, yeah, that looks gross. Um, can we try a different laugh?

• 5:08Speaker 05

  Let's do something fun, natural, something a human would do, like...

• 5:13Drew Afualo?

  Think regular human laughter. Can you do that?

• 5:16Speaker 05

  Think less boat, more person.

• 5:20Drew Afualo?

  Well, you are a successful actor, which we didn't really get to talk about last time you were here, because we were in the middle of the strike. And we were being good noodles about it. But we didn't really get to talk about your acting career, but I am now venturing into acting.

• 5:32Speaker 05

  Okay, let's go.

• 5:33Drew Afualo?

  That's my new thing this year. I'll tell you about some of the reads I've been doing after we get off this episode. They can't know that yet.

• 5:39Speaker 05

  Are you doing self tapes?

• 5:40Drew Afualo?

  Yes, and I was, I would love tips on self tapes because...

• 5:43Speaker 05

  How are you holding up?

• 5:45Drew Afualo?

  Something, talk about corny.

• 5:46Speaker 05

  Yo.

• 5:47Drew Afualo?

  Nothing feels more corny than me recording in my own home. I, I literally told my fiance, because he had to help me run lines the other day.

• 5:52Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 5:53Drew Afualo?

  And I felt like, I told him, I would almost rather just go on to the set and just get started. Because like, doing this is like, so much worse.

• 6:01Speaker 05

  A hundred percent, they are so hard and they're relationship destroyers.

• 6:08Speaker 05

  I, like, I, in my last relationship, I had that person reading lines with me all the time and somehow, it always was like, we implo- we literally imploded, you know what I'm saying?

• 6:18Drew Afualo?

  Like a fight.

• 6:19Speaker 05

  This, this time, I would never let my partner. I'm like, I want this to work.

• 6:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's for the sake of our future.

• 6:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:26Drew Afualo?

  We can't run lines together.

• 6:27Speaker 05

  Because it's the same thing, it's like you're trying to get, it's the same thing as like the, being corrected on your pronunciation during like audio erotica. Where you're like, I am trying to enter a flow state and you're, and you're saying stuff like, hey, do you wanna, they have an and there? Do you wanna pick that up or like, and you're like... We've been recording for four minutes and you're gonna stop my ass because of an and? Get out.

• 6:50Drew Afualo?

  I'm starting fresh.

• 6:51Speaker 05

  Guards.

• 6:52Drew Afualo?

  Seize them. Yeah, I, I, that's how I felt too, and I, I just feel, it's funny because when I was running the lines with my fiance the other day, I felt like each pass at it, he was getting more animated.

• 7:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:03Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, hey Kane, go ahead and dial that back for me, alright? You're off camera.

• 7:07Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 7:08Drew Afualo?

  Alright, let me, let me.

• 7:09Speaker 05

  And then you hurt them.

• 7:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was like, you're, you're trying to outshine me on myself.

• 7:13Speaker 05

  You can feel that, that, for the right person, or for the wrong person, really, that they're like, okay, fine. Da, da, da, da.

• 7:21Speaker 05

  No, you can bring it back up.

• 7:23Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 7:24Speaker 05

  No, it's so hard, it's so hard, and we really have lost the opportunity as actors, unless you're like, at the very end of the process, to go in front of these people.

• 7:34Drew Afualo?

  Like physically, yeah.

• 7:34Speaker 05

  And I think it's so important, like, because my iPhone is not capturing what, like what a TV camera can capture.

• 7:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 7:43Speaker 05

  And so I'm over here looking five seven.

• 7:47Speaker 05

  You know what I'm saying?

• 7:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 7:48Speaker 05

  And, and I'm lit in my home, I'm not a, I don't do lighting.

• 7:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 7:52Speaker 05

  So I look like I'm wearing like a brown mask on this side, this side is completely blown out. I'm five seven, I'm upset, like you can see a shark painting in the background.

• 8:04Drew Afualo?

  I know.

• 8:04Speaker 05

  All of it is taking everybody out, and if I can go in the room, also it would prevent people from sending me these sides that are like, absolutely like demure secretary, and I'm like, I won't, I assure you, I won't even fit at your desk.

• 8:22Speaker 05

  And if you had me in the room, you'd know that.

• 8:24Drew Afualo?

  Right, no, for real, I, I started doing my slate, I started doing it next to my office door, so they could see, like how big I really am, because I,

• 8:32Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 8:33Drew Afualo?

  Sometimes I'm like, I need you guys to visually see, I am a big bitch, so like, if you're putting me across from a man, it's gotta be a tall one. Like, I'm being so serious, because I, I stand next to the door frame, so they can see just how tall I actually am.

• 8:47Speaker 05

  It's hard for tall women.

• 8:48Drew Afualo?

  I know, that's why I, I did one thing, one like commercial thing, but it was like a social media commercial thing. And I remember telling them I am tall, so like if that matters optics, because I knew there was a guy in the commercial too. And they were like, okay, yeah. And I was like, I I genuinely mean that I am tall. So if your styling factors that like I would keep that in mind. They were like, okay. They gave me like a tall boot. So I was probably like six, three when I got on the set. Uh, and then when I got on, he's five, six. So then they had to get they they made me stand in socks and then they gave him like two little platforms.

• 9:23Drew Afualo?

  They made me sit, go on my knees and then put shoes under my.

• 9:29Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, I've done. I've done like sex scenes where they had the actor stand on an apple box. And this was a woman, but they were just like, hey, it's looking scary.

• 9:40Drew Afualo?

  Which is weird because they like that dynamic with heterosexual couples.

• 9:43Speaker 05

  They they like it and I think they're always like trying to figure out how like especially with like a. Like this was, you know, especially if you're like a non-binary person, like in these relationships with women. They're trying to figure out how not to fully alienate an audience while turning them on.

• 10:05Speaker 05

  If you look gigantic, that's too scary, but we do want you to be taller because you're the man.

• 10:12Drew Afualo?

  You're the boy.

• 10:13Speaker 05

  You're the boy. You're kind of like, we kind of want like. Oh, gosh, we kind of want like Pete Davidson, but with like nice little tits. Do you see what I'm saying?

• 10:23Drew Afualo?

  See, but he boy, so boy tall. You not boy, so you not tall.

• 10:27Speaker 05

  Right. So there are gonna be rules and I hope you're ready to stop. No, I'm so glad. I I do not envy you for like having to go out and stand next to men because the, do you remember? I don't want to fucking drag anybody. So I'll say it positively. Do you remember that movie Tall? That was on Netflix.

• 10:46Drew Afualo?

  Oh, the tall girl. The the worst thing that could ever happen to her in her life.

• 10:50Speaker 05

  Like when they were fully like, she is tall, like it's demented, right?

• 10:55Drew Afualo?

  Look at this freak.

• 10:56Speaker 05

  The log line being like demented freak tries to survive. And you find out it's like a beautiful five, eleven blonde woman.

• 11:06Drew Afualo?

  Right. Cameron Brink, okay. No, for sure. She's built like Cameron Brink looks like her. And then they're like, look at this circus freak.

• 11:13Speaker 05

  It's a story of survival.

• 11:16Drew Afualo?

  Of adversaries, fighting against the enemy.

• 11:20Speaker 05

  And like the big, I don't even, I don't think I made it all the way through because I was like, you know, projecting too much onto it, but like, a big turn is that she is able to like bags a man that's short and like doesn't hate her for her disgusting size. I'm watching me and like, this can't be, this, I guess this is honestly what these studios think about us.

• 11:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, tall, straight women, or just tall people in general.

• 11:45Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 11:46Drew Afualo?

  That are not men.

• 11:47Speaker 05

  Like a studio, but there are so many ideas that creator friends of mine have that they're like, no, that's sorry, that's really complicated. And they saw this idea and they were like, we love this. This really cements how we feel about women. This is, this story needs to be told.

• 12:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they're like, that's a story of resilience, sure, but have you ever been a tall girl? Do you actually know what it feels like to be a tall girl?

• 12:09Speaker 05

  This is the only D E I that will survive.

• 12:14Drew Afualo?

  They're like, well, see now we can't get rid of D E I, D E I because then tall girl.

• 12:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, it's gonna happen to tall girl.

• 12:19Drew Afualo?

  What's gonna happen to the tall girl? I remember in the li- in the movie too, I know she says like, she had like a size 11 shoe or something like that. Which honestly is not even that big.

• 12:29Speaker 05

  Petite ass?

• 12:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for being a tall girl. That's not even really that big, what she says. My feet are pretty small for how tall I am, which you would think is like, oh, petite. But it makes my feet look like pegs and I hate that shit. Like when you do, when you have brats dolls and you take the feet off, that's what my feet look like.

• 12:45Speaker 05

  You're falling over.

• 12:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was, I would rather them be a little bit bigger so they balance my proportions a little bit better, but whatever. I remember one time I was, I had in college, one of my roommates one year was a basketball player and she was like six, five. And so I, for Halloween one year, she had texted me and said like, hey, do you think I could borrow some of your like Converse for my Halloween costume? And I was like, yeah, I wouldn't care. Like, uh, what size are you? And she told me she was a 13. And I was like, oh, I, I'm sorry, I, I'm not a 13. She, cause she's like, I'm a tall girl. So she assumed I'd have bigger feet. And she's like, what size are you? And I was like, I'm a nine and a half.

• 13:19Speaker 05

  You're a nine and a half?

• 13:22Drew Afualo?

  She was like, what the fuck? And then she was like roasting me for having such small feet.

• 13:26Speaker 05

  And see, I did get pissed too.

• 13:29Drew Afualo?

  So I was like, all right, all right. Not too much on me.

• 13:31Speaker 05

  I would keep it private.

• 13:33Drew Afualo?

  Too much on me, girl. Jeez.

• 13:36Speaker 05

  No, no, that's, that's a little secret that you can have.

• 13:40Drew Afualo?

  I was like, don't tell anyone.

• 13:42Speaker 05

  You don't need to be flexing in that way.

• 13:44Drew Afualo?

  But do you have any tips for me for self tapes?

• 13:46Speaker 05

  Dear God, I mean, like, my, my memory has gotten truly since, since like covid and we were locked inside the house and I spent that whole year like,

• 13:57Speaker 05

  no one's, I don't think anyone's ever died from weed, but I got really close.

• 14:02Drew Afualo?

  Oh, but I was testing that limit, that's for sure. I was doing that during covid too.

• 14:07Speaker 05

  I was getting flown out. No, after I really destroyed my brain that whole year, I, it takes me like five days to learn the script. Which it never did before, but being the most off book, like truly, truly having like a couple of nights to sleep on those lines. So that you have the opportunity to play.

• 14:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 14:30Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? So that the recall, recall gets in the way of your flow state.

• 14:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's so true. That's crazy you say that. I just said that to my fiance yesterday.

• 14:39Speaker 05

  It's true. It, it really is true that, but no, that's, that's the realest thing. I, I like, I always want, I never, I, I just directed a short film. And like, one of the things I said to my actor was like, I just want you to have all of these words in your bones. Because I actually don't know what I want from you yet. And I want you to show me what you want. And then I'm going to tell you what I want and we're going to meet somewhere in the middle. And I can't do that if, if you're like, what is it? Okay, okay. Thank you.

• 15:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like trying to remember it exactly. Yeah. Well, that's, I'll, I'll ask you a question about directing in a second, but that's really such a good point. Because I was telling my fiance the other day, like, because the way I learned in school, because I have a photographic memory, so I like imprinted on my eyelids. So I, I just read it a million times and memorize it. But I was telling him, I was memorizing in the beginning when I would get scripts, I would memorize all of my lines. But not necessarily the flow of the conversation or what exactly they're trying to accomplish, what they're trying to talk about. And that was like easier instead of remembering them verbatim. Was remembering the flow of the conversation so that I remember what to say, when and How to say it kinda deal.

• 15:51Speaker 05

  That's that's probably really smart, like just like in the, you know, next to their line, putting their even putting your own emotion while listening. Because I do think that if you get really, I if I know what they're gonna say, there's almost a part of me that is forgetting, trying to forget what they're going to say. So that I can be like, oh shit.

• 16:11Speaker 05

  And then I just pick ahead of time, like, you know, I'm picking this arc for myself. And so like when I was on grays, this whole arc was like, I have a thing to accomplish. And and here's this little woman who's like helping me accomplish it, but like she's stealing all my attention. So even the way that I held my body towards her was always like, here's my work and here I am coming to you like with only my head. Like, you know what I mean? Just like my body language being like, you are pulling me away from something you this, so it feels magnetic. And I think when we, you know, we had great chemistry anyway, but there were those like you I I even did a thing on the show where I stood mostly with my hands behind my back.

• 16:53Speaker 05

  Because I liked the idea of needing, having a physical restraint. All of these like these, I think that you know, you're never saying, I I'm rarely saying a line that fits in my mouth perfectly. Because it's, I didn't write it.

• 17:09Drew Afualo?

  Exactly, and it's not you saying it.

• 17:11Speaker 05

  Right, so I have to, I, the thing that I rely on is my body language. So that the person who's watching me, whether it's on a self tape or on a screen, is not even really listening for what's being said. They're they're watching me deliver it with my like magnets.

• 17:26Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I love that. I'm gonna use that.

• 17:28Speaker 05

  Do it.

• 17:29Drew Afualo?

  I'm for sure gonna use that.

• 17:33Drew Afualo?

  No, I I appreciate all the tips. All my actor friends, I've been asking for tips. Uh, because I think it is in the subtleties and also it's like one of those, I feel like as I'm going through the very infancy stages of doing acting, um, some of my friends have told me too, that sometimes it's like, the casting directors or people will have like very solidified ideas of what they think this character looks like, but if you approach it that way, they can put your face in there. Easier for them to let go of what they pictured and see you in that role.

• 18:04Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 18:04Drew Afualo?

  That's why I love that.

• 18:05Speaker 05

  It's true, cuz I've worked in a writer's room and the, and it was so helpful to me to work in a writer's room because you get to be involved a little bit in the casting.

• 18:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 18:13Speaker 05

  And so you do, you spend months creating these people that actually can never really exist.

• 18:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 18:19Speaker 05

  Like they're never going to exist in the exact same way that you have them in your head. Your script goes through so many network notes and changes before it ever gets to TV.

• 18:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 18:27Speaker 05

  And then when you go through the casting pro- process, we are looking for anyone we audition to be the answer.

• 18:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 18:35Speaker 05

  So I used to go, before I was in a writer's room, I would go into a lot of things, be like, maybe they do have something in mind, like, maybe this is what they want me. No, no, no. They want you to be the right fit. And they would love to be surprised. Are you kidding me? Like, I think casting directors also get so excited where they're like, we didn't even think about this angle.

• 18:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. That's so tea. And this, it's, this is so like silly compared to what not. Um, when I've seen like John Chu talking about casting Glinda.

• 19:02Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:02Drew Afualo?

  And he was talking about how like, when I heard Ariana Grande wanted to try, I was like, already in my head, I was like, I'm not picking her. Cuz I don't wanna pick a big name, I, I don't want it to overshadow the thing, but like, I'll give her the shot. But he was like, in my head though, I had already decided I'm not, wasn't gonna pick her. And she specifically asked, like, can you please not see me as Ariana Grande? Like, I wanna come in like, as like a normal person and you just audition me. And when he, he said when she came in, she like, came in with none of her normal makeup, none of her normal hair, and then he had no choice but to imagine her as Glinda cuz she like-

• 19:33Speaker 05

  That's cool.

• 19:33Drew Afualo?

  Made sure to like, change his mind with how she approached it. So that's tea. Cuz she changed his mind, like you just said.

• 19:40Speaker 05

  Well, and it's so weird because actually, it's the same advice I would ever give like, a young person when they, they're asking about how to be in the creative field. It's like, the thing that makes you special is that you are one of one.

• 19:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 19:52Speaker 05

  And actually, all of us are one of one.

• 19:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 19:56Speaker 05

  There are for sure going to be actors that, that really fit a mold, and so they're gonna do this, this same type of role over and over and over again. And I think that's awesome. I mean, truly, really like, admirable to like, nail that thing. That is eas- like easily consumable.

• 20:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 20:13Speaker 05

  But I'm not easily consumable and neither are you. And that's the thing that makes us taste so fucking sweet.

• 20:21Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 20:21Speaker 05

  You know.

• 20:22Drew Afualo?

  Okay, tape period, look at you.

• 20:23Speaker 05

  We are really the sour candies of the industry.

• 20:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's so true.

• 20:27Speaker 05

  You know, not everybody's gonna love us, but the people that love us, we are the only thing that they buy.

• 20:32Speaker 05

  I'm like, I'm not trying to be licorice because no one is ever gonna think of me that way.

• 20:36Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 20:37Speaker 05

  And I even said to my team recently, I was like, I was getting offers to audition for things that were like, we're looking for a woman or anything else.

• 20:49Speaker 05

  And I was like, okay, I thank you for sending me this, this looks really exciting. If they're looking for a woman or anything else, they're not looking for me.

• 20:58Drew Afualo?

  Right, exactly.

• 20:59Speaker 05

  They're not looking for me. It's more realistic that if, if you send me out for something that's, we're looking for a man and we're open to things, that I might be a really pleasant surprise.

• 21:08Drew Afualo?

  Right, exactly.

• 21:09Speaker 05

  But I'm not delivering traditional femininity in a way that, that casting director is probably looking for. And even the, the version of non-binary that they're looking for is probably more femme-presenting. And, and so you just have to get kind of, you gotta get real, like, I know, I know where I fit and I'm trying to be authentic.

• 21:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's so true. Cause even, even the few times I've talked to my actor friends about like, uh, reads or, or things I've done, um, sometimes I'll get reads for stuff which it's obviously a woman, a lot of times she's like in her late forties.

• 21:44Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 21:45Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, okay, so you're, you're auditioning one young, hot person and then everyone else is forty. Love that.

• 21:53Drew Afualo?

  It's normally someone who's like, you know, she's like confident, she's loud, she's whatever. And I, I'm like, okay, cool. Uh, but some of the auditions I've done, it's, it's become increasingly more clear that they, I wasn't the kind of loud that they were looking for. And that wasn't exactly how I was playing it. Like I wasn't playing it like over the top, like I was kind of. I was kind of leaning back a little bit, just in showing it in other ways, and that's not what they're looking for, clearly, because they, you know, didn't give it to me.

• 22:21Speaker 05

  Well, I have to assume that they're looking like, if I had written a character that was a Drew Afallow type. Afallow, tell me how to say it.

• 22:29Drew Afualo?

  Afallow.

• 22:30Speaker 05

  Afallow, thank you.

• 22:31Drew Afualo?

  You nailed it.

• 22:32Speaker 05

  Thank you. Um, if I was looking for a Drew type, I would bring you in, and if you gave me a really subdued Drew, I'd be like, ah, fuck. You know what I mean? Like, so there's, there's part of that, too, is like, I will ask.

• 22:47Drew Afualo?

  It's like a balance of it.

• 22:48Speaker 05

  It is, it's, you don't want to be a caricature of yourself, and you don't, I think a lot of people think that the trick to acting, I've seen this happen with a lot of comedian friends, is like, they get into the acting space and they're like, I know what acting is. It's when you like suck all the joy out of your ass and you are really still. And like, I've definitely fallen into that. I've had, I've had my moments where I've seen that, like, where I've lost my little spark. But I, I, I think, I think they do want you, and they can always tell you to tone it back. But if I see somebody and they are really subdued, it's harder to imagine them popping.

• 23:25Drew Afualo?

  Too.

• 23:25Speaker 05

  I'd rather see somebody pop and be like, okay, that was fu- that was so fun.

• 23:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 23:30Speaker 05

  She's a little bit more calm.

• 23:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 23:31Speaker 05

  Like, everything that you're giving me, but a little bit more grounded.

• 23:35Drew Afualo?

  Love. And you've said you've worked in writers' rooms, obviously you've been acting, and then all, now you've directed too. Do you have a fave? Any one of those? Or when you lean a little bit more towards now?

• 23:46Speaker 05

  My favorite thing to do is probably music. But acting, I do really love. I, and I love it in part.

• 23:56Drew Afualo?

  Fantastic at both.

• 23:57Speaker 05

  Thank you. I, I feel the, the thing about acting, this is a really silly answer. It's, there's an ease to the existence.

• 24:08Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 24:09Speaker 05

  And it's not, it's not what people think, it's that, like, you know, we're multi hyphenates, we're always working. With acting, you do get treated a little bit kinder, cause they, you're an asset. And they need you there, and they need you here at this time, and then they like, they have this really ridiculous understanding that actors who I find are, that are often the smartest people in the room, they have this understanding that actors are complete morons. And like, should be owned by the state. And so, they, they take you everywhere on that golf cart. They are driving you around like you could not possibly know how to walk.

• 24:46Speaker 05

  And I am in the golf cart being like.

• 24:50Drew Afualo?

  I know, sometimes when you're on stuff like that, you're like, offering to help do things, and they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, sit down, sit down.

• 24:55Speaker 05

  Sit down idiot.

• 24:57Drew Afualo?

  Don't touch that.

• 24:59Speaker 05

  It would be like a toddler helping with the dishes where you're like, no. No.

• 25:04Drew Afualo?

  Okay, thank you, you're a great helper, thank you.

• 25:07Speaker 05

  Such a big help. But they're all really, they all inform each other, and the, the thing that I, it makes me, you know, like, we talk about it, like, we're like the sharks, like, if we set up, someone will die. The thing that is really driving me is a curiosity about how to make the best art possible. And writing helped me understand casting, and helped me understand directing, and directing helped me take a script that was not mine, and make changes to it that needed to be made, and understand that when I get network notes, I'm not being personally insulted on my writer's script. You know what I mean? And writing, being in a writer's room, helped me understand really acting better.

• 25:50Speaker 05

  So, they're all informing each other in this way, and strangely, comedy is the thing that has helped me best understand music. Because with music, here you are in front of a live audience, and. Anything can go wrong at all times and only comedians can handle that.

• 26:07Drew Afualo?

  That's true too, like adapting, right? Like being able to pivot.

• 26:11Speaker 05

  My god.

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• 26:45Speaker 05

  I do like it because it's the only thing that I own.

• 26:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 26:49Speaker 05

  You know?

• 26:49Drew Afualo?

  Okay, that's true.

• 26:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's yours. Your hard work is yours.

• 26:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, you spend so much time in a really lovely way. It's like such a journey. You get to spend so much time helping others create their baby.

• 27:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 27:04Speaker 05

  And then the music is my baby. Yes. You know what I feel like? I feel like one of those, um, those nannies that have children at home.

• 27:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Who's raising your kids while you're raising someone else's kids?

• 27:18Speaker 05

  A hundred percent. And I, and I love these kids, but I am neglecting my own.

• 27:24Drew Afualo?

  So true.

• 27:25Speaker 05

  Cause I need to live.

• 27:26Drew Afualo?

  So true. Cause I unfortunately, uh, need to live, so there is that. But I know you've been touring your music.

• 27:32Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 27:32Drew Afualo?

  How do you like tour?

• 27:34Speaker 05

  Touring is fun. I mean, you get to be with people again. Like, I bet you felt that way with the book.

• 27:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, live performing is really fun. I hate the logistics of touring itself, but live performing is always fun.

• 27:45Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 27:45Drew Afualo?

  It's like traveling though. I've told everyone. They're like, you don't like to tour? And I'm like, no, cause I feel like I'm on the run.

• 27:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:51Drew Afualo?

  I feel like I'm on the lam.

• 27:54Speaker 05

  Yeah. Needed somewhere all the time.

• 27:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 27:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, and that you really, something is expected from you all the time.

• 28:01Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:02Speaker 05

  And not everybody understands that just you need 15 minutes or you'll kill them.

• 28:11Speaker 05

  I just, I actually just need fifteen minutes or you'll be dead.

• 28:15Drew Afualo?

  Please.

• 28:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, get out, go away.

• 28:18Drew Afualo?

  Dude, on tour, I literally was like, yeah, my faith is being tested for sure. Like, my relationships are being tested. Cause when I did my book tour, I, me and my sister toured, um, we did our podcast, but it was promoting my book. And so it's like live performance, book signings, like meet and greets, like the whole shebang, but because I rolled deep, I like took, I took both my parents, I took my, my man, my sister, my cousin, my assistant, my brother-in-law was security, like I took so many people, there's probably like eleven or twelve of us, on a bus together for like a month straight. And half of us haven't really stayed together like that, so we got close and we got close quick.

• 28:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, oh my god.

• 28:55Drew Afualo?

  After week one, I was like, it's starting to feel like Survivor a little bit. No one's been voted off the island quite yet, but we are barreling towards that.

• 29:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, and we're getting, we're getting older, you know what I mean? We're not like, I'm not twenty-two where I'm like, it's so fun to figure out how everyone else lives.

• 29:10Drew Afualo?

  I'm a million. I literally, every night we were like, we would have, probably, cause like, have you toured on a bus?

• 29:16Speaker 05

  I'm about to tour on a bus.

• 29:18Drew Afualo?

  Okay, see, you know what, what's crazy about it? I preferred the bus.

• 29:21Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 29:21Drew Afualo?

  Than staying in the hotels. I honestly, it's like, you know, you need like a home base, especially when you go on tour. You need somewhere that feels like home. And so every time we were off the bus, I was like, my Shayla. Every time the bus was leaving, I was like, please come back.

• 29:34Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 29:35Drew Afualo?

  Uh, but I remember every night, we would have to, we'd probably wrap the show around like nine thirty, ten. And then the driver wouldn't come till like midnight, so we would just go back on the bus and wait till he came. It's like the driver hours or whatever. And so in those like two, three hours, we would have some downtime. And the, my brother-in-law's like twenty-three, twenty, gonna be twenty-four. So him and like the younger people in our group would be like, let's go out. And then I was like, okay, you guys go out, goodbye. And I would sit and eat ramen on the bus.

• 30:08Speaker 05

  In heaven.

• 30:08Drew Afualo?

  In my pajamas, and then my man would be playing Elden Ring on the bus. And that's what I was doing every night.

• 30:14Speaker 05

  Man, that's romantic to me. Oh my god. That is horny to me. I went over to my partner's house yesterday, and she was like, what do you want to do? And I was like, I think I want to stare.

• 30:30Drew Afualo?

  It's nothing.

• 30:30Speaker 05

  Legitimately. And then she was like, that sounds so nice. We sat on the couch, cross-legged, not looking at each other. No TV on, no music.

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• 31:18Drew Afualo?

  That sounds a little spooky, but I support you.

• 31:20Speaker 05

  If anybody would have come in, it would have looked like we were plugged in through our buttholes. You know what I mean? Like the couch was charging us.

• 31:27Drew Afualo?

  They're downloading the information.

• 31:29Speaker 05

  And her schedule is like equally nuts. So we are fully like, you have to find, I do think that it's so helpful sometimes to find somebody that's as like, psychotically busy as we are, because there's so much grace.

• 31:43Drew Afualo?

  I agree. And they, and they just, they understand and they get it. Like especially if I, when I'm in those stretches where I'm working all the time and I'm sleeping barely at all, and then like, I'll try to open something and I can't open it to the point where it brings tears to my eyes. And then he's, he'll come and he'll be like, I'll open this, you go sit down. I'll just go sit down. I just have to sit. I, I get sitting in silence.

• 32:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's romantic.

• 32:10Drew Afualo?

  That's the time of shit I do. Like, sometimes I'll just wander into my bedroom, like, and my man will be sitting in the living room playing his game, and I'll just go in the room and I'll just sit in there, in silence. No music playing, no TV on.

• 32:20Speaker 05

  Not even on your phone, just like?

• 32:21Drew Afualo?

  No, just sitting there. And he leaves me alone. Like, he, he doesn't come and ask me for anything. He's like, are you going in the room? I'm like, yeah. He's like, okay. And he waits for me to come back. That's like, that's like-

• 32:31Speaker 05

  Like having a cat.

• 32:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. It feels like, um, I call it sometimes like, normal human time.

• 32:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:39Drew Afualo?

  So like, even just doing normal human things, I just wander around my house like a sim. I just wander into a room, forget what I was supposed to be doing in there.

• 32:45Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 32:46Drew Afualo?

  It's like, it's like the only way to stay sane, because you're like, oh, I'm a real person.

• 32:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:51Drew Afualo?

  Real person that exists in the real world.

• 32:53Speaker 05

  Well, and I find that like if I go online, one, it's just zapping my brain. So I try. And it makes me be like, oh yeah, I should work on that thing. And so, and then I'll be like, I'll be in the house and I'll be like, you know what? Uh, you know, I should be cleaning that thing. It would be really nice if I read more. I should be running scales on the piano. I don't work on that enough. And that's why I have to be like, it's stare time.

• 33:17Drew Afualo?

  Right. Oh, that's so good. I love, I love the, the, the like, the pageantry of it. You're like, stare time.

• 33:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's stare time. And also the, the time that I feel most like femme, ever feel femme. And it happens so rarely for me.

• 33:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 33:36Speaker 05

  Is when my little gal will like come into a kitchen and I've had like what the day. I've just had like that day where I'm staring, but I'm holding something that needs to be open. And she'll take it for me and open it and I will fully do like a.

• 34:02Drew Afualo?

  Soulmate, for real. That's like, you need, you need someone that, that can match your freak like that.

• 34:07Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 34:08Drew Afualo?

  We, we joked about that on Torah Law, cause we were like, I'm gonna go in my bunk and close the door. So that's what I'm gonna do right now. I'd appreciate if nobody came and talked to me. We just go, and we just had mutual respect for each other that way. Like, I'd be like, oh, that's bunk time. So I'm gonna go in my bunk. And then they would close their little curtain and then.

• 34:27Speaker 05

  The little curtain. That sounds so nice.

• 34:31Drew Afualo?

  I had like the back, I had the back, back room with my fiance. So then I had the door closed. And then everybody else had a little curtain on their.

• 34:38Speaker 05

  That's kinda badass.

• 34:39Drew Afualo?

  It's awesome.

• 34:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:40Drew Afualo?

  Felt like the Jonas Brothers.

• 34:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 34:43Drew Afualo?

  They're the only band I thought of.

• 34:45Speaker 05

  That's okay. That's okay.

• 34:48Drew Afualo?

  Me knowing no other fucking band.

• 34:49Speaker 05

  There are no other ones exist.

• 34:52Drew Afualo?

  It's like, who do you really need more than the Jonas Brothers?

• 34:54Speaker 05

  I don't.

• 34:57Drew Afualo?

  What uh, what's your, what was your favorite, if you could, if you had to choose a favorite tour date? Like, what was like, the funnest one for you?

• 35:04Speaker 05

  LA.

• 35:05Drew Afualo?

  LA's great. LA's so fun.

• 35:07Speaker 05

  I think in part, it was because I had so much disappointment management, which is uh, what I give to myself, where I go, it's gonna be bad. It's gonna be bad. LA's a hard crowd. They're gonna come here. They're gonna hate this shit, okay? And you're gonna have to win them.

• 35:22Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 35:23Speaker 05

  And I didn't do that half as much on all the other tours, but for LA, because it meant so much to me, because it's your family and friends.

• 35:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 35:31Speaker 05

  And you don't wanna, really, you know, you don't wanna give them a bad time, you don't wanna do anything embarrassing. And you know that you're gonna be thinking about it for fucking ever, so I just went out there truly so zeroed in at the top of my game.

• 35:44Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 35:44Speaker 05

  And LA happened to come to party so hard that night.

• 35:49Drew Afualo?

  Sick.

• 35:49Speaker 05

  It was unbelievable, like, I, there were a part, they were singing the lyrics, there were parts of the show that I was like, fully like,

• 35:58Speaker 05

  you know what I mean? Like, really having this, like, the gratitude I felt was unbelievable. Kids were moshing, and a girl got her wig pulled off.

• 36:08Speaker 05

  That was, that was the best. You know, it's fun when a girl gets her wig pulled off.

• 36:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah. It ain't an ER Fight Master concert without a wig getting yanked.

• 36:19Speaker 05

  Baby, somebody's gotta come with a wig.

• 36:22Drew Afualo?

  You guys wanna party or what?

• 36:24Speaker 05

  Yes, and I also, I love, um, I love, I love my fans, like, I think because of the queerness and being able to be so visible, like, specifically through grays.

• 36:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 36:35Speaker 05

  I've picked up a fanbase that's really diverse in all the ways, and at all of my shows, there were people that, with disabilities, that were sitting in that section, like, with a great view of the stage. And that means a lot to me, because I'm like, okay, great, like, we're doing a good job getting people here. Like, this is, this is, that means something to me, and my crowd is not all white. And my crowd does not look the same, and the music or the message is still meaning something to a big group of people. And I don't get to see that that often.

• 37:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, especially when you're doing stuff on TV.

• 37:10Speaker 05

  Yes, I don't get to see it. So then, so the music is really the chance that I get to be with them.

• 37:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 37:16Speaker 05

  And even if they came, even if they come just because they saw me on Grey's.

• 37:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 37:20Speaker 05

  I don't care. It's, it's, it gets to be like this, I'm like, you know, it, think of it, sure, it's the band, like, I want you to really like my music and I want you to come here because it feels important to meet me because I do meet with fans after the show. And I, I know, I don't know, it's just like, we get so separated from everybody, you know, we are making this art for people to and we want to make art that people consume because we didn't get to see ourselves.

• 37:46Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 37:46Speaker 05

  And so then getting to watch them experience the art, watch them consume the art, it keeps you going.

• 37:52Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely. I was just about to say, that's what, that's what sustains me with the shark shit, like how I can never, like, when I'm struggling and I'm like, this is exhausting and I'm, I'm tired and I feel like I haven't, like, been alone or been normal for who knows how long. It's, that's why I loved live performing too. And I've told people, like, that's one of my proudest accomplishments is having, like, my fans, none of them look the same. Like, there's, they span many different demographics and groups. And I'm very proud of that. I know your fans are like that too, because when I posted the cut down from our first episode together, first of all, a million likes. Second of all, everybody in the comments was like, I can't believe you know who ER Fightmaster is. Oh my god, I can't believe, like, they, it was like, they were, you were their Shayla.

• 38:38Drew Afualo?

  But also, they, they just were like, oh my god, I love them so much. Like, they were freaking the fuck out.

• 38:44Speaker 05

  Our, the crossover event that happened with us doing this was so rewarding to me, and I think it's why we've stayed in touch.

• 38:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 38:52Speaker 05

  Our fans are so aligned.

• 38:55Drew Afualo?

  They are. It's literally a circle. Our fanbase is our circle, but the crossover is a hundred percent.

• 39:00Speaker 05

  They are, they are violent. They are gorgeous and they are diverse.

• 39:06Drew Afualo?

  And they don't play about you.

• 39:07Speaker 05

  No, bitch.

• 39:07Drew Afualo?

  They do not play about ER Fightmasters.

• 39:09Speaker 05

  No, and they do not fuck around with you. You called yourself at one point, it's like, um, What'd you say, a tangible consequence?

• 39:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 39:18Speaker 05

  And I was thinking like, first of all, let me get that tattooed. And second of all, I, the way that these women feel so comforted watching you be a tangible consequence? Like, really fucking, like, I, I don't worry about you, I, I'm, and I know you need to be worried about because that's, and that's probably what your beautiful fiance is for. But I don't worry about you and that feels empowering. Like, when somebody goes into the comments and says something negative to you, I'm fully like...

• 39:55Drew Afualo?

  Dumbass.

• 39:57Speaker 05

  I'm ready. I, I'm like, uh, uh, she's about to take back the night.

• 40:01Drew Afualo?

  My friend Kyle Prue, he messaged me, I put it in my dump the other day, but he messaged me, uh, "Watching people wander into your DMs looking for a fight feels like watching Joe Pesci go in the Home Alone house a million times."

• 40:13Speaker 05

  Oh my god!

• 40:15Drew Afualo?

  Going inside the room.

• 40:16Speaker 05

  That is so true.

• 40:19Drew Afualo?

  I was like, so funny, I took a picture of it.

• 40:21Speaker 05

  God damn.

• 40:22Drew Afualo?

  I was like, yeah, they never learn, do they? Um, it's actually so funny you say that too, because recently I made a video defending, uh, trans women. Trans people in general, but especially trans women, because they were the ones being attacked at the time. And I made a video defending them and all I said was, like, this is literally what I said in the video. I said, "If you're a transphobe and it's 2025, your ass stinks." That's all I said. I said, "You have shit in your ass and your breath stinks and you have no friends. Like, nobody likes you. You're a fucking loser." That's all I said. I didn't even, I didn't specify a person. I didn't specify a group. I literally just said, "If you're, if you're a transphobe or a TERF, your, your ass stinks, like, and it's science."

• 41:00Speaker 05

  See, that is my written words.

• 41:03Speaker 05

  Like, why am I in praise? This happened without me thinking.

• 41:09Drew Afualo?

  The spirit's calling to you.

• 41:11Speaker 05

  Wow, yes.

• 41:16Drew Afualo?

  That's all I said and you know what's funny is I have never and this was my issue too when uh the election happened. When the election happened, I was posting, oh, I was posting crazy shit. I was posting all kinds of shit, uh, uh, leading, every year, leading up to the election, I've been doing that. And so, uh, when I posted like, hey, fuck that bitch, like I posted that I hated him and I hate anybody who supports him. I can't even tell you how many women were like, you're telling me that you don't want Trump supporter followers? We can't agree to agree to agree. No.

• 41:47Speaker 05

  No.

• 41:47Drew Afualo?

  And also me of all people.

• 41:50Speaker 05

  Log off, delete your account.

• 41:51Drew Afualo?

  I was like, me of all, you're asking me if I, is that a joke? Like, I, I literally was like, I feel like you bitches don't know me at all.

• 41:59Speaker 05

  Do they think, do they think that we got here by like thinking that we need to be palatable?

• 42:06Drew Afualo?

  Well, you know what I started hearing after I was, uh, attacking transphobes the other day? Uh, because the person who started this shit is a TERF, right? So I was like, saying, you guys are fucking TERFs and your ass stinks just like a transphobe because you are a transphobe. And they were like, I'm not transphobic.

• 42:22Drew Afualo?

  Okay, so you're afraid of trans people. I'm not transphobic, I just like, don't want them near me. What's the fucking difference?

• 42:28Speaker 05

  They don't want to be near you either, you dumb freak.

• 42:30Drew Afualo?

  No shit, no shit. That's why I was like, I don't give a fuck. Like, if it looks like a duck and it talks like a duck, I'm gonna call it a fucking duck. You.

• 42:38Speaker 05

  You think me and my boys want to be hanging out with you fucks?

• 42:42Drew Afualo?

  That's why I was like, they want to be nothing more than to be left alone. And you bitches can't mind your own fucking business.

• 42:47Speaker 05

  I, I love the idea that their ass stinks because I think that's absolutely true. And the minute someone is transphobic, I feel like I learned everything about their sex life.

• 42:58Speaker 05

  I mean, truly, you're just like, oh, like the concern that you have for others is, uh, like for others being themselves, for living joyfully.

• 43:06Drew Afualo?

  Right, exactly. For daring to be happy.

• 43:09Speaker 05

  To not want to die. Yeah, like all this shit that you are really projecting, like your own anxieties and like self hatred onto them. And I learn, I learn how crooked the dick is. I learn how small it looks even when it's hot out, you know what I mean?

• 43:24Drew Afualo?

  It can be the hottest down there.

• 43:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, you got the kind of balls that don't get longer when it's like swampy out.

• 43:30Drew Afualo?

  That's not in the cards for you.

• 43:31Speaker 05

  Uh, uh, uh, uh, no.

• 43:33Drew Afualo?

  I know when I was, uh, I had, I had women like attacking me and telling me I wasn't, uh, for women. Because I dared to defend trans women are most vulnerable. That's crazy. Um, to which I, it, what's ironic about that is the week I made that video, I had Dylan on the show again for an all-star episode.

• 43:51Speaker 05

  Gorgeous.

• 43:51Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, see, I know TERFs have never, ever, ever, ever interacted with trans people in real life, ever. If you have, you didn't know because you're a dumbass, but it doesn't matter either way. I was like, I actually know and love trans people in real life. Even if I didn't, I would tell you bitches to choke on my dick. And honestly, the line that made them the most mad, other than me saying their ass stinks, was I told them to suck my dick. And then I said, actually, suck it from the back, because I don't want to look at you. And that line, I'm not kidding, has made women freak the fuck out at me, these TERFs. They literally are like, that's so disgusting, that's so unladylike. And then they started calling me a man. I was like, oh, so you are transphobic?

• 44:33Speaker 05

  I.

• 44:33Drew Afualo?

  Oh, wait, so you are transphobic. Okay, I knew it.

• 44:35Speaker 05

  You know when you are, when you're like alone for a minute and then you like touch your partner or you have sex and you get like that burst of oxytocin? I just had that.

• 44:45Drew Afualo?

  The endorphins just released.

• 44:47Speaker 05

  Yo.

• 44:47Drew Afualo?

  That song that Justin Bieber song where he's like, life is worth living.

• 44:52Speaker 05

  That is how I felt. I, I'm obsessed with these, um, cis women that, that hate trans women because I think that they are, I think that it is also a confession of like, hey, I really had to do everything I was told my whole life. And so, and you have not.

• 45:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 45:12Speaker 05

  You've not had, you've not been in this like.

• 45:14Drew Afualo?

  You cut the line.

• 45:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I'm actually, I grew up in hell, you know what I mean? Like, my uncle was calling me hot when I was five. I, yeah, like, there's actually no way for me to be that makes people happy. If I'm annoying, people wish I was dead.

• 45:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 45:27Speaker 05

  You can't join me here.

• 45:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 45:30Speaker 05

  And what are you fighting for?

• 45:32Drew Afualo?

  No, for real.

• 45:33Speaker 05

  What are you?

• 45:33Drew Afualo?

  And who are you fighting for? I've even told them before, like, I've said this many times already, so having. To say it again pisses me the fuck off because I don't explain myself to bigots like I I was like the only per like You want me to validate you and your transphobia, I'm not going to. I hate TERFs, I hate transphobes, I've been that way forever. Um, and I've like, obviously I have many, many followers who are trans and so a lot of them were like, thank you for always defending us. And I was like, you, you guys stand behind me as long as you want bitch, I don't give a fuck. Till till you feel brave enough to come out, I don't care. Right, I was like, and also, I've told people before, it's imperative that cis women have this conversation with each other.

• 46:16Drew Afualo?

  It's imperative that cis women hold other cis women accountable for being transphobic, it's imperative because no one's free till we're all free. And also to think that transphobia will not affect cis women at all is insane, it's already affecting cis women.

• 46:29Speaker 05

  I mean, especially, I we can obviously see it in the sports space.

• 46:32Drew Afualo?

  Exactly, and women of color especially, and that's the part that I was like, you think I don't know, I experienced it all the fucking time, like, and it's because I'm not I don't fit into these Eurocentric beauty standards, but see, I've unpacked all of my internalized transphobia and biases. So it doesn't offend me when people try to call me a trans person or a man to insult me, that doesn't offend me. And also I do have a huge dick. And you're gonna suck it from the back.

• 46:58Speaker 05

  And I would.

• 47:00Drew Afualo?

  And that's a fact, bitch.

• 47:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, and I've I've I'm down with that, actually. I'm like stuttering, I'm like, are we doing that now?

• 47:07Drew Afualo?

  Getting nervous.

• 47:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, no, like, okay. Uh, you know what, the the my truest thought on this is that I think that trans women have a more beautiful understanding about what womanhood is.

• 47:18Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 47:19Speaker 05

  I I think that unfortunately, the programming for cis women is is it is, it's kind of sad.

• 47:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it is, yeah.

• 47:28Speaker 05

  I I'm like, actually, no, your womanhood is not your role. Your womanhood is not your status in society and your womanhood is not. Your ability to be sexually assaulted.

• 47:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:39Speaker 05

  And this trans, this trans debate that's like centering all on well like if um quote unquote man in a dress is in a bathroom. He will rape me. I'm like, okay, well, the, then it sounds like the problem that we have is that men are going to rape. And women are fearing rape their whole lives.

• 47:58Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 47:59Speaker 05

  And when you talk to trans women about their womanhood, they talk about, it like almost gets me choked up. They talk about it in such this like beautiful expansive way.

• 48:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 05

  Of like, it's, it's this feeling I always had.

• 48:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 48:13Speaker 05

  You know, it's this truth I've always known. It's the most beautiful parts of me. It's my softest self. And I don't feel that from cis women right now because I think the propaganda is so strong.

• 48:23Drew Afualo?

  I agree, yeah.

• 48:24Speaker 05

  And I love, I love, I love women. Oh, my God, I'm so obsessed with women. I'm obsessed with.

• 48:31Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 48:32Speaker 05

  Women. I really am obsessed with all women.

• 48:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 48:34Speaker 05

  And I want cis women to stop letting men be a barrier to their identity.

• 48:40Drew Afualo?

  Too. Yeah, absolutely. I've even told cis women when I was defending, I defended Dylan, I've defended Dylan many times, but I defended her. When she put out her song because um TERFs, once again, were attacking her and saying that her song was. Like basically saying she's vapid. It was like.

• 48:56Speaker 05

  It's like derivative.

• 48:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it was a derivative of women. And I said, that's her experience with womanhood. Notice how she never said, this is the experience of all women. That's her experience as a woman. But even, let's just say that is what she was saying. She's talking about taking her meds, right? She's talking about for her, both for her transition, but also for her mental health. She's talking about having a one night stand, right? Are any of those things bad? And I told them like, because when Sabrina Carpenter makes jokes about getting Eiffel Towered on her fucking tour, everyone's like.

• 49:29Drew Afualo?

  I love when women are sexual. And me too. I love it. But see, when trans women have the exact same conversation, all of a sudden, you want to talk about, we're more than just a pair of tits. No shit, bitch. I know that. Dylan knows that. Sabrina Carpenter knows that. We all know that. It seems like you're the only person who doesn't know that.

• 49:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 49:46Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, there is nothing wrong with any of those things. Just because women are engaging in them, doesn't make them bad. But it speaks to what you said, which is like, it's almost like that's the most. Like convicted they feel in themselves is their woman what their idea of femininity is what their idea of womanhood is. And I was explaining to even me, I was like, I am a cis woman, right? I identify with the gender that was assigned to me. But I am not a thin white woman, right? So my experience with womanhood is gonna be different from a cis than white woman. We're gonna have two different very experiences of womanhood. Is yours more valid than mine?

• 50:20Speaker 05

  Right.

• 50:21Drew Afualo?

  No, right? So it's really all the fucking same, isn't it? Also, whenever I say gender is a social construct and it's made up. Their minds spray against the wall behind them. They immediately are like, what the fuck are you even talking about? And I'm like, see, you're not smart enough to have this conversation with me.

• 50:36Speaker 05

  That is always the frustrating part is you're like, we are creating arguments to protect people.

• 50:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 50:41Speaker 05

  And so we do our research.

• 50:42Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 50:43Speaker 05

  And they are manufacturing our arguments to tear people down. And so they actually are just pulling shit out of their stinky little asses.

• 50:50Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 50:51Speaker 05

  And so you're coming over here and being like, you know, Judith Butler would say, and they're like, but he sounds dumb.

• 50:58Drew Afualo?

  Exactly. I use the term white feminism because I was saying. Turfs perpetuate white supremacist ideology, which is white feminism and white feminism is void of intersectionality. And if your activism isn't intersectional, it doesn't fight for everyone. Right? And it's racist most times. And I said white, I said all of that to someone and then she goes. White feminists, this person is black.

• 51:23Drew Afualo?

  Then I'm like. And then I literally wrote back to her, Google the term white feminism, study up and then come back to me. You're not smart enough to have this conversation with me. And I said, notice how when I made my original video, I didn't start with. This is why Terrifratac is harmful. I said, your ass stinks. That's why I said it because there's no point.

• 51:42Speaker 05

  I already said the truth. Your ass stinks.

• 51:45Drew Afualo?

  I was like, there's no point. I had no interest in having the conversation with you because you don't want to learn.

• 51:49Speaker 05

  And you don't have to have literature on that, sweetie. You just have to have a nose.

• 51:54Drew Afualo?

  Just a nose. And you know what, so in there I said, and your breath stinks too. It's probably from your fucking gingivitis. I said all kinds of mean shit. And then this girl commented on my video and said. Period to this video, but also just want to say, one of my coworkers is a huge transphobe and he has. The worst breath I've ever smelled in my life. And I said, and when I tell you I'm a scientist, believe me. Or which, whichever one works for you.

• 52:16Speaker 05

  No.

• 52:16Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, it's a scientific fact. I told you, you all have poop in your butt. And you're just mad at me because I know and I'm telling everyone.

• 52:24Speaker 05

  This is the most powerful, like, this, this is my mantra now.

• 52:28Drew Afualo?

  And that's what makes me laugh.

• 52:29Speaker 05

  You've got poop in your butt.

• 52:30Drew Afualo?

  There's people saying, "Oh, she's such a fake feminist," and all I did was I told transphobes that they have poop in their butt. And somehow that makes me not a real feminist.

• 52:38Speaker 05

  Bro, what makes you a realer feminist than being a, than knowing that transphobes have shit in their ass?

• 52:45Drew Afualo?

  So I was like, I, I did the research.

• 52:47Speaker 05

  That's, that's actually empathetic. You can under, I'm, oh, I'm empathizing with their existence, they've got shit in their ass.

• 52:55Drew Afualo?

  Like, I was telling my sister, I was getting annoyed because I don't, first of all, I don't want to see TERFs. I don't want to hear from you, I don't want to see what you say, I don't care about anything you believe in. But, more than anything, I was like, this wasn't an open discussion. Imagine it like this, I'm walking by and I go, "Don't want to interrupt, don't want to take too much of your time? Your ass stinks. Alright, have a nice day." That's all I wanted to say, that's all I needed.

• 53:16Speaker 05

  That's the ground rules.

• 53:16Drew Afualo?

  Just in passing, I didn't want to have a conversation with you.

• 53:18Speaker 05

  It's, it's like the opposite of catcalling, but it is really similar. It's like the guys actually don't want the women to be like, "Yeah, no, I'm free."

• 53:26Drew Afualo?

  When they're like, "Do you want to hang out now?"

• 53:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:28Drew Afualo?

  They're like, "Oh, oh, oh."

• 53:29Speaker 05

  No, they just want to be like, "Titty alert!"

• 53:33Drew Afualo?

  So anyways, I've been doing that this week, but I was like, um, fighting off TERFs. Like a motherfucker, feels like World War Z, they're like, "Ahh."

• 53:41Speaker 05

  They're so hungry.

• 53:42Drew Afualo?

  I know.

• 53:43Speaker 05

  For a human flesh.

• 53:46Drew Afualo?

  But we do have some fun facts about you, so I do want to read you some. Obviously, we know you're a Gemini, I already knew that about you, and that you're from Cincinnati, Ohio.

• 53:53Speaker 05

  Okay, listing my disabilities?

• 53:59Speaker 05

  That's crazy.

• 54:00Drew Afualo?

  Oh, HIPAA.

• 54:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:01Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 54:01Speaker 05

  You can't do that, where did you find that?

• 54:04Drew Afualo?

  Okay, it says here that you played varsity basketball and varsity volleyball in high school.

• 54:08Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 54:08Drew Afualo?

  And then you got signed to play college volleyball for the University of Cincinnati.

• 54:12Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 54:12Drew Afualo?

  What'd you play in volleyball?

• 54:14Speaker 05

  I was a middle blocker.

• 54:15Drew Afualo?

  I was... I was gonna guess the middle.

• 54:17Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:18Drew Afualo?

  That's the height, that's the height.

• 54:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:20Drew Afualo?

  It says their volleyball team was nationally ranked and they were named to the USC A A all academic team for also.

• 54:26Speaker 05

  Which is not, not impressive.

• 54:29Drew Afualo?

  Or having a three point five GPA.

• 54:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I was the only athlete that did homework. That actually means I probably wasn't playing very well.

• 54:37Drew Afualo?

  You know what's so funny? You're so mean. Because one time, oh, first of all, I was an athlete all throughout high.

• 54:42Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 54:43Drew Afualo?

  And I played volleyball in high school too, but I was a hitter, I was an outside hitter.

• 54:46Speaker 05

  Right side?

• 54:47Drew Afualo?

  Outside hitter, yeah. And then my sister was an outside hitter too, even though my sister's five four.

• 54:55Speaker 05

  How did that happen?

• 54:59Drew Afualo?

  Only our resident gay, yeah, our in-house gay. That was days.

• 55:06Drew Afualo?

  It was funny, I was talking about, cause I played soccer, soccer was my main sport. And Jason was like, you know, everyone says softball's the gay sport, which is like, okay. And but women's basketball and soccer, she was saying, are like even.

• 55:18Speaker 05

  A hundred percent.

• 55:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, women's basketball, yeah. And then soccer, I was like, well, it's either lesbians or it's like, straight girls that make out with lesbians when they're drunk.

• 55:28Speaker 05

  I would just say that they're more closeted.

• 55:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 55:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I, yeah, I, I think. Soccer, those girls were smaller, so they were more like, they had the ability to like get pretty in, in high school. And all the basketball players that weren't any good, there was just something about being like, I don't know, I don't, I don't. Yeah, I don't think, you know, Bob is gonna like me, like, so it didn't fucking matter, I'm wearing my sweats. And the soccer girls were, had the ability to be like hotties.

• 55:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 55:57Speaker 05

  And so they stayed closeted for much longer, but.

• 56:05Drew Afualo?

  We laughed about it, cause my sister played soccer, but then when she went to college, she was like, I think I'm gonna join the rugby team.

• 56:15Speaker 05

  Did you do it?

• 56:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, she played like all four years.

• 56:18Speaker 05

  What can you, um, sorry, this is now kink for me. What can you squat?

• 56:24Drew Afualo?

  Oh yeah, what's your, your highest squat?

• 56:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, around that.

• 56:30Speaker 05

  So, so I'm sucking your dick from the back. And your dick from the back.

• 56:36Drew Afualo?

  Hers from the front.

• 56:37Speaker 05

  God damn.

• 56:38Drew Afualo?

  Eye for a tower, look at that.

• 56:38Speaker 05

  I've got a lot of work to do right after.

• 56:42Drew Afualo?

  God, I gotta really roll up my sleeves and get to work.

• 56:44Speaker 05

  I, I gotta call my partner. I gotta let her know I'm sucking your dick.

• 56:47Drew Afualo?

  I'm gonna be late for lunch.

• 56:50Speaker 05

  And I will be full.

• 56:52Drew Afualo?

  You having a GPA making all academic? You're so me, that was me too. One time, one time someone asked me, what's the question you wish people asked you more? Right? And I said, what my AP scores were in high school.

• 57:03Speaker 05

  Shit.

• 57:06Drew Afualo?

  Horny again.

• 57:07Speaker 05

  Shit, I do like that. I do like good grades.

• 57:12Drew Afualo?

  I loved school.

• 57:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was fun. And, and I actually didn't do any homework for like the first three years of high school and then they're like, you know, you're gonna need this for college. And I was like, oh my god.

• 57:22Drew Afualo?

  We're not gonna let you leave if you don't do homework.

• 57:24Speaker 05

  Why didn't you fucking say that? And so I went from like truly a 2.5 GPA, cause I was like, homework doesn't matter, you can't control me. To being like, I need it for college and I had a 4.0.

• 57:33Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 57:33Speaker 05

  And it was the easiest switch I ever made. I was like, oh, I didn't, when you sent me home with this, I didn't realize you wanted me to do it.

• 57:38Drew Afualo?

  I didn't realize you wanted it back. Thought you gave it to me too key.

• 57:42Speaker 05

  Why didn't you say that? Like?

• 57:44Drew Afualo?

  Why is nobody talking about homework?

• 57:47Speaker 05

  My teachers are being insane and they thought I was funny, so I'd be like, no, I don't have it. And they'd be like, okay. There was no like, you have, you really have to. They were just fully like, you're a favorite.

• 57:58Drew Afualo?

  Why are you rizzling up people in high school?

• 58:00Speaker 05

  Man, I go back to my high school now and they, I, they, my teachers still fuck with me hard.

• 58:06Drew Afualo?

  I bet they do.

• 58:07Speaker 05

  A hardcore.

• 58:08Drew Afualo?

  You're just rizzling people up all throughout high school. Okay, and here it says, they performed in Boom Chicago, an English comedy troupe in Amsterdam.

• 58:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, we performed, I performed in Amsterdam, um. At Boom and Boom is like you're performing for basically an audience that's almost entirely English second language.

• 58:27Drew Afualo?

  Oh, nice.

• 58:28Speaker 05

  And so you.

• 58:29Drew Afualo?

  Do you speak Dutch?

• 58:31Speaker 05

  Uh, in Beja. And it's, uh, you really, you learn how to be universally funny. You have to because the first like six months that you're there, you're pulling stuff out of your ass that's really like an Americanism, you know? Even, even talking about like, like the Kroger or the Vons, like whatever, that's too specific. And so you, your comp is the Walmart, but then you have in the, in the back of your brand, you know, all the, their major brands now. And you know, the Italian brands because we actually have a big group of Italians in here tonight. Oh, and there's a Scottish bachelor party. It's improv and sketch.

• 59:06Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 59:07Speaker 05

  And so there's just, there was just such a learning curve of being like, oh yeah, like, American humor is so specific to us.

• 59:13Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 59:13Speaker 05

  And the rest of the world is actually working on a different level because the actual, the rest of the world is connected to each other.

• 59:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like they're far more connected than we are.

• 59:21Speaker 05

  A hundred percent. When you're doing like comedy in Europe, even if you're doing it in Amsterdam, you're not even doing just Dutch humor. It's the, all of Europe is visiting each other. They're all like traveling to see each other. They have a train system.

• 59:33Drew Afualo?

  That's true, yeah.

• 59:34Speaker 05

  So the audience was different every night.

• 59:36Drew Afualo?

  Damn.

• 59:36Speaker 05

  And it's global and they're making fun of each other in a much better way that like, we can't do because our nation is like, you know, white supremacist.

• 59:44Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 59:44Speaker 05

  When we make fun of even Italians, everyone's like, mm, uh-uh.

• 59:50Speaker 05

  Some are racist about that.

• 59:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I've done a few white people jokes, like, uh, in my tiny stand-up set that I have, it's like a five-minute one. I have a lot of white people jokes in it. And some, some offers I've gotten to do shows, I've been like, I love the comic, but their audience is like southern, straight white people. And I was like, they are not gonna laugh at anything I have prepared because they don't have the same kind of understanding or humor.

• 1:00:51Drew Afualo?

  So it's just probably not gonna translate as well.

• 1:00:55Speaker 05

  Okay, so I also performed with Second City. We toured across the country. We did one show in Ohio. We did not know that the makeup of the show was gonna be entirely elderly. And I'm talking 90 plus. 90 plus, all Republican. The first 12 rows were wheelchairs, okay?

• 1:01:13Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 1:01:14Speaker 05

  I'm talking 90 plus. And so we have a whole, like, political, like, comedy sketch show prepared for them, and then some improv slots. And the political comedy is eating more shit than a turf. You know what I mean? It's just failing, failing, failing, failing.

• 1:01:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:31Speaker 05

  And so we send out our angriest white guy, and we're like, "Do your worst." And he goes out there to improvise, and he starts a scene that's basically like, "My wife is so fucking annoying!" And the audience is like...

• 1:01:48Drew Afualo?

  It's Freddie Mercury when he's like doing the Queen that big, uh, big aces.

• 1:01:57Drew Afualo?

  And so all these elderly people, it's really... Our intermission had, like, they were standing up for the first time in 10 years to leave.

• 1:02:04Speaker 05

  It's just killing. It's just absolutely killing. Oh my god. On their knees. On their knees for Scott.

• 1:02:10Drew Afualo?

  So funny. What's a joke that hits across the world, you would say, when you were in Amsterdam doing the comedy troupe?

• 1:02:16Speaker 05

  Everybody likes ripping on the Germans.

• 1:02:20Drew Afualo?

  Really? It's nice. The tip to have.

• 1:02:23Speaker 05

  It's really fun.

• 1:02:24Drew Afualo?

  They all have a united enemy.

• 1:02:25Speaker 05

  And even the Germans, I mean, it's, obviously, it's us, like, you know, if you're making a joke about Americans in Europe, it's just about IQ level because we think we're so fucking superior. And the rest of the world is like, "Look at those angry kids." Like, they fucking hate us, man. It's embarrassing. I was lying to people, saying like, "I am Dutch."

• 1:02:48Speaker 05

  I was over there, like, just because a lot of the Dutch speak English. And so I was fully over to just being like, "Hi, everyone, like, you know, so nice to meet you."

• 1:03:00Drew Afualo?

  Lying.

• 1:03:01Speaker 05

  A hundred percent. I'm not getting in a gay club, like...

• 1:03:05Drew Afualo?

  They find out I'm American.

• 1:03:06Speaker 05

  A hundred percent. Yes, no. And they, they love when we call ourselves stupid, and they love when we're like... Joke about the Germans being so on time.

• 1:03:19Drew Afualo?

  They're like, those jokes killed.

• 1:03:20Speaker 05

  Yo, yo, across the world.

• 1:03:23Drew Afualo?

  Good to know. When me and my sister were on tour last year, we watched, one night in the bus, we watched Planet of the Apes and we love those movies. And we're just big Planet of the Apes fans. And then in, I think it was Dallas, I was like, doing a bit where I would be, every time they would like laugh or listen or do something good, I'd be like, apes together, strong. Killed, killed. Every time I said it, they were cackling.

• 1:03:48Speaker 05

  What a beautiful thing to find.

• 1:03:50Drew Afualo?

  Right. And I was like, and I was like, oh, period, period. Next town we go to. It was after it was Austin, Dallas, Houston, when we, and it. Oh, Denver. Yeah, we went to Denver after we got out of Texas. It's like a night two or two later. I, I whip out the Planet of the Apes joke, probably ten fifteen minutes in, not one laugh. Ooh, back on the shelf, gonna, we'll revisit her when I go.

• 1:04:16Drew Afualo?

  Was gonna kill every night. Just that one.

• 1:04:18Speaker 05

  My.

• 1:04:18Drew Afualo?

  Didn't hit the rest of the tour. Rest of the tour, nobody laughed.

• 1:04:21Speaker 05

  Isn't it crazy how like, sometimes you just find yourself like, like I was on tour, we were, we were not slang one night, we were performing for a group of veterans and.

• 1:04:29Drew Afualo?

  Why are you always performing for these groups?

• 1:04:32Speaker 05

  When you, you know this, when you tour comedy, it's for some reason, everybody that's in the audience is there, against their will, they, they're there by gunpoint.

• 1:04:40Drew Afualo?

  Not to say, it's like, you don't have to be here.

• 1:04:42Speaker 05

  No, it's if they're not at like a comedy club, and even then it's like kinda iffy.

• 1:04:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:47Speaker 05

  They were brought there by gunpoint, by some like, union that they're in. Like their bosses made them come.

• 1:04:53Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 1:04:53Speaker 05

  Some shit. And we were performing for the veterans and we were kind of like bombing so hard that at one point, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I hate the military industrial complex. I think it destroys souls and worlds. I went, thank you for your service, you're doing the Lord's work. Literally?

• 1:05:13Speaker 05

  I'm doing like an outro and I'm, and I go.

• 1:05:18Speaker 05

  And they kind of were like.

• 1:05:22Drew Afualo?

  You got him, you got him a little bit. You're gonna give me.

• 1:05:25Speaker 05

  Silence the whole show, but I was like, I, I think I'll compromise my values here for like a little bit of a little snack. I just want like a little treat. Just a little.

• 1:05:36Drew Afualo?

  Just anything.

• 1:05:38Speaker 05

  I still think about it.

• 1:05:42Drew Afualo?

  Good girl.

• 1:05:44Speaker 05

  Truly, and even my friend Scott, who was touring with me at the time, and he was the one that was like able to do the life shit. When I came off, he was like, you're doing the Lord's work? The fuck?

• 1:05:53Drew Afualo?

  He said, I got desperate up there. I got desperate.

• 1:05:56Speaker 05

  I blacked out.

• 1:05:57Drew Afualo?

  They weren't giving me anything.

• 1:05:59Speaker 05

  I needed it.

• 1:06:01Drew Afualo?

  He needed it. At the end of the day, I need attention, so.

• 1:06:03Speaker 05

  Truly, I was like, just a little fingee.

• 1:06:06Drew Afualo?

  Just give me something, anything. Okay, we'll go down some more of these. Let's see. It says that you were in a indie rock band called Twin.

• 1:06:14Speaker 05

  It's true.

• 1:06:14Drew Afualo?

  And they named the band Twin because they're a Gemini.

• 1:06:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, that's, that's factual.

• 1:06:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:23Speaker 05

  And I also, I dated, I had dated a, a lot, I've dated a lot of twins somehow. I don't know what I'm attracting, but I've dated a lot of twins.

• 1:06:32Drew Afualo?

  That sounds kind of scary.

• 1:06:34Speaker 05

  It can be.

• 1:06:35Drew Afualo?

  Like, like, I feel like twins, when they get to a certain age, it's like, okay, enough. No more.

• 1:06:41Speaker 05

  I.

• 1:06:41Drew Afualo?

  You're no longer a twin.

• 1:06:42Speaker 05

  I couldn't agree more. Being a twin is for children. And at this point, you're 25 and it's perverted.

• 1:06:53Drew Afualo?

  And you're creepy and weird.

• 1:06:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:54Drew Afualo?

  So knock it off.

• 1:06:55Speaker 05

  And if you ever wear the fucking same thing in front of me,

• 1:07:00Speaker 05

  I'll have you arrested. I don't care. Yeah, I believe.

• 1:07:03Drew Afualo?

  The cops.

• 1:07:04Speaker 05

  I, I believe in the police again for that.

• 1:07:07Drew Afualo?

  Just for twins.

• 1:07:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:10Speaker 05

  ATAB.

• 1:07:11Drew Afualo?

  That is crazy.

• 1:07:12Speaker 05

  All twins are bad.

• 1:07:13Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy.

• 1:07:16Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy that you've just so happened to date twins.

• 1:07:20Speaker 05

  I, I'm.

• 1:07:20Drew Afualo?

  More, more than once. More than once is crazy.

• 1:07:23Speaker 05

  I, yeah, I, I guess I'm problematic.

• 1:07:26Drew Afualo?

  Were they, were they identical?

• 1:07:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:31Drew Afualo?

  That's uncomfortable. Imagine you're mad at them and then their, their sibling comes and you're like.

• 1:07:36Speaker 05

  There, yeah, there's a lot of stuff I have to tell you, but we're not rolling.

• 1:07:42Drew Afualo?

  Uh, it says, "They used to be a part of a sketch comedy duo called Mr. Beaver."

• 1:07:46Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 1:07:46Drew Afualo?

  Where they performed live shows with a sidekick called Cat Piano.

• 1:07:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was some really magical shit. We would improvise songs on a piano that, or the keys only made meows.

• 1:07:58Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:07:59Speaker 05

  And listen, you could be like, "That sounds fucking stupid as hell." We were tearing that shit up. We were winning awards. You know how hard it is to win like, awards for fucking improv? Like, they don't even, they made them for us.

• 1:08:11Drew Afualo?

  Damn, they were eating that Cat Piano up?

• 1:08:13Speaker 05

  I, and I was really femme at the time.

• 1:08:15Drew Afualo?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:08:16Speaker 05

  And so they were just like, "This hot, tall girl is gonna play this little pussy piano."

• 1:08:20Drew Afualo?

  I honestly don't even remember the show, but the person who's doing it is hot, so...

• 1:08:24Speaker 05

  Bro, listen, when I was femme, that shit was devastating. That shit was devastating. I had to stop being femme because I was fucking shit up for you, ho. Okay? You can come for, my non-binary was a sacrifice for y'all.

• 1:08:38Drew Afualo?

  That was a sacrifice you made.

• 1:08:38Speaker 05

  Because I was fucking your men.

• 1:08:42Speaker 05

  And they were begging for it.

• 1:08:44Drew Afualo?

  And don't make me start doing it again.

• 1:08:46Speaker 05

  They wanted my fucking foot on their neck so fucking bad, and I hated their asses the whole time it was fucking happening. I was like, "You're disgusting." I'm on top of them, looking down, like, I'm looking at a turd, okay? But they were in my bed. You come out talking to me about my queerness? Bitch, I did what you did. It sucked ass. You think I'm jealous of y'all? I tried your shit. I tried your shit. It sucked!

• 1:09:10Drew Afualo?

  You said two stars.

• 1:09:12Speaker 05

  God damn!

• 1:09:13Drew Afualo?

  Two stars on Uber.

• 1:09:14Speaker 05

  I'm sorry, that's never really exploded out of me like that.

• 1:09:19Drew Afualo?

  I let you have your moment.

• 1:09:20Speaker 05

  It is crazy.

• 1:09:21Drew Afualo?

  Release it, you know what I mean?

• 1:09:22Speaker 05

  I do actually feel like, that is the, that is my pretty privilege, is like, I know how fucking trans I am, because I was not having an experience, uh, like, I was a gorgeous woman! I was gorgeous, you know what I mean?

• 1:09:36Drew Afualo?

  I was killing it!

• 1:09:37Speaker 05

  I was killing it. And what I did find, I did not like, like, I really felt, I, I, like, I never really felt like a woman, and so, and I was such an awkward teenager, and then all of a sudden I was in college, and like, really grew into everything well, and was like, just getting so much positive.

• 1:09:55Drew Afualo?

  The way you have so much disgust on your face when you're talking.

• 1:09:57Speaker 05

  Well, because it was hard.

• 1:09:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I bet, I'm sure.

• 1:10:00Speaker 05

  Like, being, being...

• 1:10:01Drew Afualo?

  And that, like, restriction, it was like, suffocating, I'm sure.

• 1:10:04Speaker 05

  It was... What I really found was it was dangerous. That like you could, we're, we're big and we're loud, right? And I felt that when I was beautiful and something that these men wanted. They had to, they didn't have the social grace to just really accept me for being smarter than them. And taller than them. And better than them at the things that they were doing. And so they would do this thing where they would pretend to be kind to me. And then they'd get me in private and violence would happen. You know what I mean?

• 1:10:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:10:38Speaker 05

  And I am so grateful. I found such a beautiful queer community. I'm so grateful. I found my non-binary identity. I'm so grateful for transness as a, as a be- way of being, as a way of understanding. And I'm telling you, it makes me care for women harder. It makes me, because I think that there's so, the most violent place now for women. The most, the, where we have the most reported incidents of death and violence is in the fucking home. That's where women are getting injured. They're getting injured by men that they love in their homes.

• 1:11:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that they sleep next to every night.

• 1:11:10Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:11:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, marry, have kids with.

• 1:11:12Speaker 05

  It's important for, like, I have a lot of guy friends. I demand kindness from them. I demand excellence from them. I do not take bullshit when they're talking about the women that they're seeing. And they have grown with me. You know what I mean? I love seeing relationships like yours. Like, that man is so kind. He's so handsome. Like, he's there with you. He's supporting you. Like, I actually know that women have better options, but they are so trained to take the least.

• 1:11:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:38Speaker 05

  And these men don't deserve you, and they absolutely don't deserve you if they're gonna hit you. And they probably don't deserve you anyway. So there better be some, you better fucking love this guy.

• 1:11:47Drew Afualo?

  For real, for real. I've, I've even said to, like, have you watched Adolescence, the new show on Netflix? It's really, really good, but it's like, basically talking about a young, uh, boy, like a thirteen-year-old boy. It's not a secret, it's not a spoiler, but he like, he kills a girl in his school because she rejected him. But it talks about how he got indoctrinated by Red Pill ideology on social media. That's like the whole point of the show. So it's not like, well, who did it? It's why he did it.

• 1:12:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:09Drew Afualo?

  So it's kind of unraveling and unpacking all of those different, like, things, those very small things that happen in the home that breed this. Air of like entitlement to women and their bodies and everything about them. And how they they genuinely hate them. They don't like anything about them. They just see them as objects and things to use or abuse. And so like I have, obviously, I loved the show because it was very well done. I've said many times, there are are many things I don't platform on purpose because they are just that scary. Like it's just, it's just that horrifying. And there have been a few stories that I didn't include in my book because they weren't like my stories to tell. That I've heard about like at my brother's high school. My brother is gonna be twenty one this year. So when he was in high school, when I was still doing this.

• 1:12:52Drew Afualo?

  There are things happening now, like where where men are inflicting violence and they're young, they're minors, they're like. Sophomores in high school, like it's just like how young it starts, like that. Understanding of what women's place is in this world and where men sit and like. This indoctrination that is becoming more and more accessible because of things like social media, because of people like Andrew Tate, like all that fucking bullshit.

• 1:13:14Speaker 05

  But it's it's actually why. We are in such an environment, an environmental crisis.

• 1:13:21Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:13:21Speaker 05

  It's this energy of extractivism. Where these young boys are basically being indoctrinated with colonialism.

• 1:13:29Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:13:29Speaker 05

  Of like everything that they see is theirs. And they want to extract as much as they can from it without putting any effort into it, without. Renewing that resource without and I I think being. Being, you know, femme for a minute. I did find that they like, I felt this like that they, a lot of men will just latch on to you and they're like. They are drawn to this resource that you have, which is your joy and your sex and your whatever. And they pull it from you, but they're not offering you anything in return. And I'm like, that's extractivism. And it's the same thing that we do with our fucking environment.

• 1:14:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:08Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? We are going into these places and we are pulling oil from the earth, but we're doing nothing to protect her.

• 1:14:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, or to replenish.

• 1:14:14Speaker 05

  And the beauty of having experience as a gorgeous woman. Is that now, in this like place of really confident masculinity. Be the partner that I wish I would have had.

• 1:14:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:14:27Speaker 05

  You know, and with with my partner. I really work hard because I am, I am there for her joy.

• 1:14:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:35Speaker 05

  I am there for her sex. I am there for her stories. I am there for her intelligence. I am there for so many of her, really these like soul assets.

• 1:14:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you see her as a person.

• 1:14:43Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:14:44Drew Afualo?

  As like a whole person.

• 1:14:46Speaker 05

  I'm replenishing that shit.

• 1:14:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:14:48Speaker 05

  You know what I mean?

• 1:14:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's reciprocal.

• 1:14:50Speaker 05

  I'm giving her my energy. I'm making sure I have a life that's interesting so that we have something to talk about over coffee. You know what I mean?

• 1:14:58Drew Afualo?

  You have your own thoughts.

• 1:14:59Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, I'm bringing my friends to her. I'm making sure that I'm dressed cute at least sixty percent of the time. You know, I'm doing things that because I, I want this, this beautiful person to be, I want to be able to experience her joy. And I think that men don't realize how much work women are putting in to continually give joy.

• 1:15:22Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 1:15:23Speaker 05

  And it's beautiful.

• 1:15:24Drew Afualo?

  Flow. It's like the most, the most mundane things like, it's just the world doesn't move without women and I, and I felt the same thing. Like I was like, I love women so dearly and that's why, that's why I felt like this was my purpose was to like, uh, guide them away from that bullshit. Like, and even in the, in the show Adolescents, like, the dad, like in the beginning, they're kind of trying to figure out if the dad's like abusive, if he's like, if he hits him, if anything, like encouraging violence, right? Uh, but he doesn't, like he, he has anger issues, but he's not violent or anything like that. And it's almost scarier that way because I've told people that's actually far more common. That dynamic where you have a, a father who does nothing more than provide.

• 1:16:03Drew Afualo?

  There's no emotional needs being met, spiritual needs, like there's no checking in just on general well-being. There's no interest in what he likes. It's all forced, you're forcing him to try and like things that you believe are manly.

• 1:16:15Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 1:16:15Drew Afualo?

  And then not checking in with him and you're just going and working and providing for the family.

• 1:16:19Speaker 05

  I wonder seeing that, that dumping money into something is enough?

• 1:16:22Drew Afualo?

  Exactly. And that's why, and that's why he turned out that way. So I'm saying like, it's even more, like he's looking for that like masculinity to latch on to. Because his dad encourages, that's what makes a man. So he's not getting it from his own dad. So he finds it online and then it turns out to be red pill shit. And so I was, I've told people before, like that kind of. Misogynist or bigot in general, because there never just one facet of bigotry. Um, is far more insidious to me. It's like someone who's a lunkhead, a j- lunkhead Jimbro that's like, fat bitch, make me a sandwich. Like, obviously you could pick that dude out of a lineup. Like, for the most part, all women are like, um, that's sexist, right?

• 1:16:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:58Drew Afualo?

  But it's men who have, I don't know, gained the ability to somewhat blend, like.

• 1:17:04Speaker 05

  They're, they're dangerous.

• 1:17:06Drew Afualo?

  Giving men like therapizing language, like giving them insight to how women think it's has like made them far more dangerous. Because they can say things instead of something like that, they'll say like, well, I just want to be able to take you out of this masculine era. And like, put you in your feminine era. That bitch is the same. They're fucked. They're both bigots. They can both eat my dick. That's how I feel about them.

• 1:17:27Speaker 05

  I absolutely agree.

• 1:17:30Drew Afualo?

  They're way more dangerous to me.

• 1:17:32Speaker 05

  Well, and I think that, you know, the thing that is really scary to Sis people is that, like, they're not even really talking about gender anymore. And they're talking about like their workplace identities. You know what I mean?

• 1:17:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like they're all Patrick Bates. And you guys gross me out.

• 1:17:46Speaker 05

  It's true. It's, it's their, the way that they're talking about like the roles that they need to protect from trans people. It's like, it's psychotic. And actually, okay, so I was watching Love is Blind. And, um, and I watch a lot of the show like this.

• 1:18:02Speaker 05

  But, but when I thought that some of those men were being kind to those women. I literally had the thing of like, oh, I was like, some of them are cute. Some of those guys are cute. And then when I found out that they were basically all being mean.

• 1:18:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:18Speaker 05

  I was like, those are the ugliest men I've ever seen in my life. And I think that's something that really we can, we need to be honest about. Is that masculinity is at its most beautiful when it's in service to the feminine. Because the feminine shines on the masculine. It's, it's a gorgeous thing to watch. Like, I got this like leg up in the grays fandom. Because I was across from a woman who looked at me like I hung the moon. And I looked at her like she hung the moon.

• 1:18:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:18:50Speaker 05

  This thing where the feminine was being worshiped and I was getting the light from her shine. You I can see even when when the relationship was like dissolved that there was everything I could physically see. This like golden light leave the room, even in the way they shot it and that they're capturing something that's honest. Like men that are good to women are hot to me. And I don't give a fuck what the fuck you look like. If you're bad to a woman. You are the ugliest little puddle of mud.

• 1:19:23Drew Afualo?

  For real. And when you were saying you have your own interests too, I was thinking. I was thinking about that that clip that's going really viral of that guy who did the morning routine and it's the most insane shit I've ever seen in my life. I was thinking about that and I was like, everything men like is fucking boring. Oh, my god.

• 1:19:39Speaker 05

  Literally ice?

• 1:19:42Drew Afualo?

  Doing doing pushups on the balcony at four AM. I, oh, my god, everything men.

• 1:19:45Speaker 05

  With a bottle of sparkling water?

• 1:19:47Drew Afualo?

  Everything men like is so boring. Like even one time when I sometimes when I hear like, because obviously. People who are are men who look like my dad or like my man, my fiance. Um, are catnip to like the worst misogynist in the world because they're like, this guy gets it. He looks like a masculine man, which that's. You know, okay, that's how I feel about it, but every time men come up to them. Dude, I took I took my dad to a Clippers game because my dad loves basketball. Took my dad to a Clippers game. My dad's like a bodybuilder, so my dad's like yoked right now. He wore like a black, like, just tight tank top, like with pants like tucked in and some Jordans.

• 1:20:27Speaker 05

  Okay, I'm sorry to say this. I'm about to be on my third dick.

• 1:20:35Drew Afualo?

  Took my dad there, taking my dad in a tank top to a Clippers game. It's like throwing a ribeye in a tiger cage, the way all men, it's no women, all men are like.

• 1:20:51Drew Afualo?

  They have to come and talk to my dad about his bench press. Hey, you guys are weird.

• 1:20:54Speaker 05

  You know, like when I was talking to your sister earlier about what they can squat. Uh, because I'm um, a gay pervert.

• 1:21:04Speaker 05

  And so I actually think that a lot of straight men are also gay perverts.

• 1:21:11Drew Afualo?

  And I would believe you. Honestly, I would believe you.

• 1:21:13Speaker 05

  It's, it's like, like the Andrew Tate worship.

• 1:21:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:17Speaker 05

  And I mean, I'm gonna really clarify this. I mean gay in like the way that straight people mean gay when they're like, that's gay.

• 1:21:25Speaker 05

  Like you don't, you're not gay like me. I'm beautiful. You're, you're gay like that's gay. You're a gay pervert.

• 1:21:33Drew Afualo?

  Well, and also it's just kinda like the things they be doing sometimes when they're alone. I'm like, you guys are so weird.

• 1:21:42Speaker 05

  You absolutely hate, gay men like women more than straight men like women.

• 1:21:46Drew Afualo?

  No shit.

• 1:21:47Speaker 05

  I mean, they're, they're, gay men are worshiping divas and straight men look at their own wives and they're like, get out.

• 1:21:56Drew Afualo?

  I watched one of my friends make a video recently. This will be the last silly thing I say. But, uh, she made a video recently. She was talking about when she sees groups of women. She was, when I see groups of women out, like, they're like doing something together, going somewhere. I'm like, God, that looks so fun. So every time I see girls, I'm like, what are we talking about ladies? Like, that's how I feel and they're laughing. When I see groups of men together, I'm like, well, clearly they just committed a crime and they're coming back from something.

• 1:22:20Speaker 05

  That's, that we call that a murder. Like, it's like a murder of crows. It's a murder of men.

• 1:22:27Drew Afualo?

  And I, I was, I commented on the video because when, uh, we, my sister and I were in Vancouver, we did a live show in Vancouver not too long ago. We went to a movie one of the days we were there and there weren't that many people in the theater. It was like our group of like nine and then like maybe a few other couples. In the theater, a group of seven grown men come in the theater, sit right behind us, whole, whole theater's empty. Sit right behind us, talk the whole fucking time about, you guessed it, stocks.

• 1:22:56Speaker 05

  This is, this is why we can't get rid of the death penalty. We can't get rid of it.

• 1:23:03Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, what are these grown men doing seeing a movie together? What are you guys doing? You're doing something bad.

• 1:23:09Speaker 05

  Gay.

• 1:23:10Drew Afualo?

  You're doing something bad. You're doing something sinister. And I was like, and I kept going. The whole time, just in case they did something.

• 1:23:17Speaker 05

  Well, it would be normal. I would be happy that they had their little friend group if they had not chosen to sit behind the two women.

• 1:23:25Speaker 05

  Just learn how to be together and not be scary.

• 1:23:27Drew Afualo?

  I know. I was like, you always need to rebrand or something because you're like, it's seven grown men together. I don't, I don't like it.

• 1:23:34Speaker 05

  No, no, no.

• 1:23:35Drew Afualo?

  No man, no, no man has that many friends, first of all. Cause you guys don't even know each other's birthdays. So I don't believe you. And I was like, but also coming to see the movie, we watched the movie Companion. It was really good. Um, but obviously like the whole point is that he like, doesn't see women as real people. So he has a robot girlfriend. Spoiler. Um, but in the thing like it's, uh, they would laugh at the parts that weren't so, they were like satirically funny. They're not supposed to be actually funny. So it's like the parts where he would call her a fuck bot. They would be like,

• 1:24:08Drew Afualo?

  sinister.

• 1:24:09Speaker 05

  Oh my lord.

• 1:24:11Drew Afualo?

  The way I was like, don't make me turn around.

• 1:24:14Speaker 05

  I will, I'm cringing so hard I might throw up.

• 1:24:17Drew Afualo?

  Even when we got back to the hotel, my fiance was like, I did not like those guys behind us. I was like, right? Cause we didn't talk about it the whole time. My sister and I were obviously like, oh, when we were looking at them. But then he was like, no, it's like the way the shit they were laughing at. I was like, that's not supposed to be funny. These guys are fucking gross. And I was like, period, King, tell them.

• 1:24:37Speaker 05

  That, do you know the reason that they're so angry is because they actually do have so much work to do?

• 1:24:43Speaker 05

  Like I, I do get it.

• 1:24:46Drew Afualo?

  Like we said, we're sharks.

• 1:24:47Speaker 05

  Yo, bro. I've, I've been there. At the end of a long day, when I find out that there's more assignments for me to do, like I gotta contact my manager again, like all this shit. I get pissed off.

• 1:24:57Drew Afualo?

  I get pissed too.

• 1:24:57Speaker 05

  And if every time, if like every thought I had was bad and hateful and I was told that I had to change that, I can imagine being frustrated.

• 1:25:07Speaker 05

  Look at my empathy.

• 1:25:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, look at that. Well, we went over so many things today.

• 1:25:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:13Drew Afualo?

  Obviously, you know, we're in love, so you can come back whenever.

• 1:25:16Speaker 05

  Forever.

• 1:25:17Drew Afualo?

  Forever and always, but I would love to know, because you're a literal multi hyphenate creative, you're so talented. Wait, before I ask you this question, I think you are so incredible in so many ways. Obviously, I jerk you off all the time about how talented you are, but past that, I think just you in general succeeding in such a creative space at so many different mediums, being exactly who you are and saying the things you do, I admire you. I think you're so amazing and I look up to you.

• 1:25:42Speaker 05

  I could not feel more similar. I'm telling you, I have talked to my partner about you so much and.

• 1:25:52Drew Afualo?

  Likewise.

• 1:25:53Speaker 05

  The work that I think you're, like, the work that you are doing, I think is generationally, like, it's generationally important.

• 1:26:01Drew Afualo?

  Thank you, I feel that way about yours too.

• 1:26:03Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 1:26:04Drew Afualo?

  Look at us, we're gonna stand together.

• 1:26:04Speaker 05

  I'm gonna cry.

• 1:26:06Drew Afualo?

  And then we're gonna kiss.

• 1:26:07Speaker 05

  Yeah. Oh, and then I gotta suck the dick.

• 1:26:10Drew Afualo?

  That's a whole nother thing.

• 1:26:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:26:13Drew Afualo?

  Well, to kind of wrap it up, do you have any advice for anyone within the LGBTQIA+ community as a whole, or just in general, that maybe wanna pursue the creative art form and maybe are a little nervous about doing multiples, maybe they feel underrepresented? Do you have any advice for them?

• 1:26:30Speaker 05

  I think we are entering a extremely fascist and violent era. And I know that you're scared, and I am scared, but they don't deserve our fear. And we can't live there all the time. We can visit the fear, but we can't live there all the time. And the only thing that topples regimes, the only thing that ever works, is love and art. And you have to make love, and you have to make art, and you gotta do it well, and you gotta enjoy it, and you gotta not care if the money comes, because that's when the money comes. And stop thinking about fucking capitalism all the time.

• 1:27:12Speaker 05

  We are, listen, if fascism takes over and they tank our economy, we're gonna be struggling regardless. So at least make sure you're struggling doing something you love, that keeps your integrity intact. There's nothing more important than your dignity and the dignity of others. And that being said, free Palestine.

• 1:27:28Drew Afualo?

  Period. Look at that. Everyone, give him a round of applause. Obviously, we would never run for president. Sometimes people, I would vote for you for president.

• 1:27:37Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 1:27:37Drew Afualo?

  Was my point. But sometimes someone said, you should run for president. I said, I would never want to be in charge of this godforsaken country.

• 1:27:45Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:27:45Drew Afualo?

  Fuck that.

• 1:27:46Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:27:46Drew Afualo?

  No way.

• 1:27:47Speaker 05

  And somehow, like, the things that I, like, Google when I'm high would get released, and it's like...

• 1:27:53Drew Afualo?

  And no one needs to see that.

• 1:27:55Speaker 05

  Are, are birds really naked underneath the feathers?

• 1:28:00Speaker 05

  No. We're gonna, we'll just leave it here. You're like, kind of a mystery, but...

• 1:28:05Drew Afualo?

  Wait, okay, Amanda, I want you to, this is a note to bleep this. The last thing I Googled was

• 1:28:12Drew Afualo?

  because I was trying to show the video to my cousin. I'm trying to show them that fuck-ass compilation.

• 1:28:18Speaker 05

  If, if that was leaked, I, I would be the first one to be like, Drew told me that this is the only thing that gets her up in the morning.

• 1:28:28Drew Afualo?

  If I was in that video and I saw how people were talking about me, I would say, that's AI. It's getting out of control. AI is getting out of control.

• 1:28:35Speaker 05

  I would be suing Elon. A hundred percent. Yeah, Bezos would have my number.

• 1:28:42Drew Afualo?

  Just wanted to mention that was the last thing I Googled.

• 1:28:45Speaker 05

  That whole, that whole line is gonna be believed. Iconic, iconic.

• 1:28:51Drew Afualo?

  Anyways, thank you so much to my amazing guest ER for coming back for an all-star episode. You're the best.

• 1:28:57Speaker 05

  Thank you for having me. I cannot wait to suck your dick.

• 1:28:59Drew Afualo?

  Ugh, me too. Again, round two!

• 1:29:02Speaker 05

  Round two.

• 1:29:04Drew Afualo?

  If you're not already, I know you all are, but if you're not following ER, where can everybody find you?

• 1:29:10Speaker 05

  Okay. You can find me at Genderless Gap Ad on Instagram. You can find me at ER Fight Master on TikTok. I'm getting better on there.

• 1:29:19Drew Afualo?

  I know, I do be seeing new posts on there.

• 1:29:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I have been on there a little bit. I remembered it existed recently. And, um, you can listen to my sports podcast, Jocular, wherever you get your podcasts, and you can listen to my music, Fight Master, wherever you get your music.

• 1:29:35Drew Afualo?

  Love. And that's perfect because... New episodes of the comment section drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms, but the video is for free and exclusively on our favorite platforms, Spotify, which is perfect because then you can listen to ER's music discography.

• 1:29:48Speaker 05

  Please.

• 1:29:48Drew Afualo?

  Listen to the whole thing, and then you can listen to this episode. Then you can listen to the other episode. All things ER Fight Master you can find on the comment section because we're huge fans.

• 1:29:56Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 1:29:56Drew Afualo?

  And obviously, we're in love.

• 1:29:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, I love it.

• 1:29:58Drew Afualo?

  Look at us, sister wives.

• 1:29:59Speaker 05

  I really do.

• 1:30:00Drew Afualo?

  I'm a sister wife with your partner.

• 1:30:01Speaker 05

  No, I honestly, sister wives somehow genderless here.

• 1:30:05Drew Afualo?

  Just like the word bitch.

• 1:30:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:07Drew Afualo?

  Bro.

• 1:30:10Drew Afualo?

  My mind's blown. Thank you all so much for tuning into this episode. I'll see you next week. Bye.

• 1:30:28Speaker 00

  Welcome to 215 Maple Drive. We just put this property on the market.

• 1:30:33Speaker 01

  Love the crown molding.

• 1:30:35Speaker 00

  Oh, wait until you see the walk-in closets and the bathroom tile.

• 1:30:39Speaker 01

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• 1:30:42Speaker 00

  No FiOS, but it looks like it's got cable. Let's check out the kitchen.

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  No FiOS? Yeah, no thank you.

• 1:30:49Speaker 00

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