07 Jesse & Luke | The gunshot wound and the Bungonia crime scene

Jurors were shown photographs of a gunshot wound to Jesse Baird's temple, and told there was a legal reason they had to view the graphic images. Reporter Jamie McKinnel recaps evidence from the Bungonia crime scene south of Sydney where Jesse and Luke's bodies were found inside surfboard bags. Also in this episode, Jamie and Stocky recap the timeline of alleged events in the days surrounding Jesse and Luke's deaths. If you have any questions you'd like Jamie and Stocky to answer in future episodes, please email [email protected] mailto:[email protected]. Family and domestic violence support: If you need help, contact 1800 Respect https://1800respect.org.au/ national helpline on 1800 737 732. The Case Of is the follow-up to the hit podcast Mushroom Case Daily, and all episodes of that show will remain available in the back catalogue of The Case Of.

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  What is likely to be one of the most graphic moments of this trial has been treated with extraordinary care by Her Honour Natalie Adams. I'm Stephen Stockwell. Just heads up, there is some graphic content coming up. This is episode seven of The Case of Jessie and Luke.

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  He's accused of shooting Jessie Baird and Luke Davies with his Service firearm.

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  Police now allege Constable Beau Lamar Condon murdered the couple at a home in Paddington.

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  This is just a terrible incident that's occurred here, the loss of these two young men.

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  Now this is Mardi Gras time, and yet it's a community in mourning.

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  The pain is ongoing. We don't have a lot of answers that we would love to have, just to help bring closure, to bring peace.

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  For the last couple of days, we've focused on two places. The roadside in Bungonia, near where Jessie and Luke's bodies were found, and Jessie's Brown Street Terrace, finding out what police were able to learn from items found in both of these places. As all this has been presented to the jury in court, it's the ABC's Legal Affairs reporter, Jamie McKinnon. Jamie, welcome to the pod. Hello, Stocky. This is where the term forensic detail comes from, I guess, the way that we poured over all of these details. But as well as that, there has been some real care in the courtroom.

• 2:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it was really interesting to see how this extremely graphic content was handled and presented to the jurors. But there's just been this extraordinary amount of detail that they have seen, lots of photos, lots of explanations of things that were found at that Bungonia site, and also test results for things like DNA and fingerprints. So I think the last couple of days has really, again, given the jury an understanding of just how much effort goes into the documenting of a crime scene.

• 2:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, absolutely. Do you think you can wrap up the last few days for us in, I don't know, 60 seconds?

• 2:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, sure. So as an experienced crime scene officer sat in the witness box, the jury was shown dozens of photographs of things that were found at this Bungonia site where Jessie and Luke's bodies were located. It was just over a week at this point since the alleged murders, and it was at a point when Beau Lamar Condon was already in custody. The jury was previously warned about graphic photographs to come in this trial, and we have now arrived at that point where they have seen those graphic photographs. They were shown images of a bullet wound to Jessie Baird's temple, and this retired detective explained, according to his expertise, some abrasions around that wound and what he could see in the photograph.

• 3:17Speaker 03

  He also went into some, at times, pretty confronting detail about the state of the couple's bodies in terms of decomposition. We've heard that also at this site, police found a fired cartridge case from a gun, Jessie's ID, a watch and his house keys. But there was also an assortment of other items there that seemed like they'd been discarded. There were things like bloodstained towels and bedding, white overalls, high-vis clothing, a helmet, fast food packaging, cement bags, and also a hire car card that had the name Beau LC written on it. So there was a large collection of discarded items at this crime scene.

• 3:56Speaker 06

  Hmm. I'm looking forward to kind of talking through all of that with you in this episode, Jamie, as well. Also hoping that we'll have time to dive into some questions as well. We've been getting a whole heap sent through to the case of at abc.net.au, so keen to answer a few of them and clear up some questions that people listening to the pod have. I do want to start by the roadside in Bungonia, though. This is where Jessie and Luke's bodies were found. And as I've been looking at these photos, and we've seen this, it's looked different to how I had actually first imagined it. Can you describe this location for us?

• 4:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it was on the fence line of a Greek monastery in Bungonia. It was off a road there, and there was a gravel driveway that we can see in some of the photographs that goes to a front gate at that monastery. And to the right of that gate, there is a sort of alcove area. It's also a gravel area. And at the end of that gravel alcove area, there was a pile or two piles of dirt and gravel. And then the fence line to this property sort of runs from the gate along into a sort of a bush area or an area where there's more shrubs and trees. So looking towards the end of that alcove, the fence line sits to the left, and the surfboard

• 5:12Speaker 03

  bags were at that fence line. The jury was told that it was sort of a surface that sloped downwards towards the fence line. And these two bags were stacked on top of each other, and on top of them, there were things like rocks and branches and sticks that were sort of partially covering the surfboard bags. But you could still see part of the colour of the bags, a sort of blue colour through that partial covering. So also in the gravel alcove area, we heard that there was that fired gun cartridge case discovered by police. And then to the right of the alcove, there was a wheelbarrow and a spade. And then sort of further into the bush or tree area, there was a collection of black rubbish bags and

• 5:57Speaker 03

  discarded items and boxes and packaging that police spent a lot of time, it seems, going through and photographing.

• 6:03Speaker 06

  Yep. Yeah, we've actually got some of the photos of this area. We're not going to put any of the graphic photos up there. They haven't actually been released to the media. But if you're watching on YouTube, you'll be able to jump on that and have a look at some of the photos of the area, and also a little map that was kind of drawn by police to illustrate sort of where in this kind of little alcove it was. And yeah, Jamie, the alcove was kind of different to how I was imagining. I was sort of imagining, yeah, right on the roadside. But it was, seemed to be kind of like quite a steep slope down towards the fence line where the bags containing Jessie and Luke's bodies were found. Is that right?

• 6:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, so the sketch, I think, really helped jurors get an understanding of the layout of the area. They've seen photographs, but it's a different thing to then look at a map and sort of have an understanding of the distance between different things and the direction of things. So I think that sketch and also a computer assisted sort of mapped area that they were also given probably helped their understanding a lot, too.

• 6:56Speaker 06

  Hmm. Yeah. We've seen a lot of photos. There's a document, I think, with 320 pages that we've been working through over the last couple of days. And this has been done with Greg Moon, who's a retired crime scene officer. He was the officer who was there that day. And, I mean, Jamie, we've talked about the surfboard bags that Jessie and Luke's bodies were found in. But that's not all they were found in. It seems like there are actually a couple of bags?

• 7:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, so the jury's been shown some photographs of what it looked like as police were opening the outer bag. And there was sort of a similar appearance inside. So there was a blue and silver type bag on the outer of each of these bags, and then an internal bag as well that was a similar type of brand, similar sort of surfboard bag. The photographs showed that inside, there was the sort of inner surfboard bag, but then part of the men's bodies were also covered by a black garbage bag. So there were, it seemed, different layers to this. And the jury was taken through quite carefully what it looked like as police went through those layers and collected exhibits. For example,

• 8:05Speaker 03

  the outer bag became an exhibit for testing and things like that later on.

• 8:09Speaker 06

  Yep, yep. And we then move to what I, you know, could potentially be one of the most graphic moments of this trial, Jamie. You know, we've got the crime scene investigators kind of working through this scene. We have the photos that moved down this driveway there closer to the bags. And then the jury was shown the image of a gunshot wound to Jessie Baird's temple. But this was very carefully presented in court. Can you talk through how this unfolded?

• 8:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, so the jurors were handed these three different photographs in yellow envelopes. So there were different individual envelopes handed to each juror to then open when they were ready or when they were told to. But they were not displayed on the screen or anywhere in the open court. So basically, the only people who have seen them are the lawyers, the judge, and now the jurors. So those envelopes were handed out and then Justice Natalie Adams, before they were opened, gave the jurors an idea of how this was going to work. And she said that sometimes there is a legal reason why courts will put these kind of photographs before a jury, and this happens to be one of those cases where there is a legal reason for asking them to look at this.

• 9:23Speaker 03

  She told the jurors that they weren't going to see Jessie Baird's entire head. She said there would be parts of it that were blacked out and there would be the relevant area of the wound shown. And she said, you'll see skin that is in a decomposed state. So it's not going to look like how you might think it will look like when you think of skin. So she was giving them a sort of forewarning or preparing them of how this was going to work. And I think what that showed was a level of care taken by the judge and the court to present these images to the jury in a way where they were forewarned and prepared in advance for what they were going to see. And as she said, there was a legal reason for showing them these very graphic photographs.

• 10:08Speaker 03

  So after that happened, Mr. Moon gave evidence of what he could see in the photos, which is alleged to be stippling. And Stocky, we've talked about this before, the jury has been told that this idea of stippling is the burnt and unburnt particles that are associated with the release of a cartridge in a gun when a gun is fired. And Mr. Moon said that when those particles come into contact with exposed skin, what sometimes happens is it can leave small abrasions. And he said they appear like pinpoint abrasions. And there was a moment in the courtroom where he actually asked if he could leave the witness box and walked over to the jury box to sort of individually point out on the jurors' photographs what he was actually talking about.

• 10:53Speaker 03

  So again, I think it shows a level of care where, you know, there's an acknowledgement that this is extremely graphic material, but the jurors were taken through that with a witness who is extremely experienced. And Mr. Moon told the jurors that the width of those stippling marks can indicate that the firearm might have been closer to the surface it has hit. So he said that the closer the gun is, then the more condensed the stippling will appear around the wound. So that may have something to do with the legal reason why these graphic photographs have been shown to the jury.

• 11:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, the other interesting part that Greg Moon was talking to was decomposition as well. And I found this, you know, at times kind of graphic, but we did learn a lot about how bodies decomposed and also the impact that could have on the visibility of something like stippling, right?

• 11:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's right. So Mr. Moon, I think we've mentioned before, Stocky, is a very experienced crime scene officer. He had about 30 years or so of experience before he retired. And he said that there are a number of stages of decomposition. And at that site near the monastery, it appeared that Jessie and Luke's bodies were in advanced stages of decomposition. And he spoke about there being gases and fluids that gather between different levels or layers of skin. And he said that with the stippling marks, sometimes through those stages of decomposition, those marks can be lost. So as awful as this is to talk about, this evidence was given in, I think, a very matter of fact way. It was by a witness who was extremely experienced.

• 12:35Speaker 03

  And again, just a reminder to people that the jury has been told that there is a legal reason for going through evidence like this, even though it is probably quite difficult for them to hear. And the reason why they were being shown the photographs is sort of related to that legal reason.

• 12:53Speaker 06

  Hmm. Were they taking it in? Did it seem like they were kind of engaging with this evidence or were they, you know, did they look kind of freaked out?

• 12:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was watching as they were handed those envelopes and then as they opened them. And I didn't really notice any obvious reactions. The jurors that I was watching all seemed to be taking it very seriously and weren't showing much of a reaction at all. So it appeared that they were absorbing things very carefully as this witness was giving the evidence and as they were sort of looking at the photographs and taking it in.

• 13:22Speaker 06

  Hmm, yeah, the, I think the care and the nature of this evidence has really stuck with me, not only Rona, Natalie Adams being so careful when it's being presented, but also Greg Moon, the way he's explained this, the way he's, yeah, asked if he could kind of walk up to the jury box and, you know, point out these items to the jurors. Yeah, it was really interesting. And he has, you know, what appears to be, you know, quite a calm, gentle kind of manner and presence in the, in there when he's, when he's giving evidence. Jamie, as well as the photos of the surplus bags of, of this injury to Jessie Baird, we spent a lot of time going through other items found near Jessie and Luke's bodies. There's a few bags nearby and this had things like jackets, gloves, shoes, a few personal

• 14:06Speaker 06

  items of Jessie and Luke's as well. Did anything stick out to you from this collection?

• 14:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, so this was a very large collection of items. As you said, there were 300 or more pages in this, in this document of different photographs. But there were things in there like ID documents and cards that were in Jessie Baird's name. There were sunglasses, there was a watch, the keys that we spoke about in our last episode that were later tested as, as being for Jessie Baird's front door. There were also discarded items like, there were gloves, a high vis jacket, a helmet, pants, gum boots, a black hoodie. And there was some linen, like a fitted bed sheet and a towel that was quite heavily stained. There were also lots of packages of, of things that had been bought.

• 14:56Speaker 03

  So things like tarp's and garbage bags and bin liners, white overalls, that there were photos of the actual overalls that had, parts of it were bloodstained. And so a lot of the items that were found had also, you know, the discarded rubbish of the packaging of them with them. And we heard that some of the packaging matched the defendant's fingerprints. And with the fired cartridge case, that's worth mentioning, I think, Stocky, the, the gun cartridge, Mr. Moon said that officers who were there, once they found that, were checking their own rounds to see if they had similar rounds. And so they were, what they were looking for, he said, was the brand. And he said that some of the police officers there did actually have the same kind of brand.

• 15:40Speaker 03

  So immediately they wanted to make that comparison and decide, you know, what to do with that discarded fired round in the future.

• 15:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, Jamie, it was interesting kind of going through all of those items. We went through in a lot of detail, not just every single photo of this, but any testing that was done on it, you know, fingerprint analysis, as you mentioned, but also DNA analysis as well. And there was, one of the items was a motorcycle helmet. And I thought, oh, this will be interesting to see what they, they find from this. And in the motorcycle helmet, Jamie, there was a hair. What did they find on the hair?

• 16:14Speaker 03

  Well, they were talking about the testing that they did on the hair, but then I think, I was thinking the same way as you, Stocky, that there'll be some kind of DNA result associated with this. But then the court was told that that hair was, they couldn't get any DNA from it because it didn't have the follicle on the end. So there's, when you shed hair, there's sometimes a little bulb or a follicle. And that apparently is where they get the DNA from. And because the hair didn't have that follicle on it, there was no, no DNA recovered from it at all.

• 16:43Speaker 06

  Hmm, that, that was something I learned. I was, I was really expecting DNA to pop up from there somewhere. And there you go, without the follicle, there is no DNA that you will recover from a hair. Towards the end of Greg Moon's examination in Chief Jamie, where he was answering questions from the prosecution, we went back to Brown Street, Jessie Baird's terrace house that he was in the process of moving out from. And we looked at a few drops of blood in a number of different photos from there. What did we learn from them?

• 17:15Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, he was asked about a few of these very small blood stain or drop areas in the Brown Street Terrace, particularly in the bedroom area. There was an area above the fireplace. And when he was being asked about some of these different drops or stains, he seemed to not be able to say whether or not it was from a gunshot incident. But there was this stain above the fireplace in the bedroom. And so he was being asked questions about the pattern or the shape of that stain and whether that could tell the court anything suggestive of how it got there or the, you know, the movement of it getting there. So he was saying in his evidence that blood is released in the direction of

• 17:58Speaker 03

  a bullet when there is a gunshot incident and it's the gases that will take blood with it as it travels and then lands somewhere and ends in a droplet or a stain. But he didn't seem to be able to commit to anything about that particular stain above the fireplace. He said it could be a transfer stain because the colour, he said, indicated there was possibly a level of dilution. And it could be, he said, an alteration to an existing stain. So it appears, though, that even though he was asked these questions, it's a little bit inconclusive according to his evidence of exactly how that blood stain might have got there.

• 18:37Speaker 06

  Yep. Thank you, Jamie. We have only just started the cross-examination of Greg Moon, but there were initially some very targeted questions about how he's not a medical doctor. What was he asked?

• 18:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was actually one of the first questions by John Stratton, S E, the Defence Counsel. He was asking and checking with Mr Moon, you're not a medical doctor. And the witness confirmed that and said, no, I'm not. And then Mr Stratton was asking him very specific things about the timing of the photographs of the bullet wound and when those photos were taken. And the witness was saying it might have been around 6pm. He was trying to remember when he got there and how long the documenting of the scene might have taken. He said he arrived around 3.20 in the afternoon. So he was giving a rough estimate of maybe around 6pm. He was asked also about when the couple's bodies

• 19:34Speaker 03

  were moved from that scene and how they were moved. And he said they would not have been refrigerated during that transfer to a mortuary. And that that may have happened much later on in the night. So I think he said around 10pm or even after midnight, depending on how things went at the crime scene. He wasn't able to give an exact time. So Mr Stratton seemed very interested in trying to get a specific time from him. And the Defence Counsel also asked about the testing of the scene and the wound for gunpowder particles. He was asking, you know, you can do this testing for things like nitrates and nitrites to see if they were present on the skin of Mr Baird. And Mr Moon confirmed that in

• 20:16Speaker 03

  relation to Jesse Baird's gunshot wound, that testing was not done. And there was also no testing for gunshot residue. So we are quite early on in the cross-examination, but so far, some very specific questions, particularly about the wound to Mr Baird's head.

• 20:34Speaker 06

  Yeah. Jamie, the jury also has a question, as well as the questions that have been asked of all of the witnesses so far. But we will need to wait for the answer to that because one of them was sick yesterday.

• 20:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, and that's a really important rule is that, you know, the judge told them, I can't, I can't answer this question and I can't address it unless all of you are here. And so she said to them, you would have noticed, it's quite obvious that one of you is not here and they're not feeling very well. So they're going to have to wait for the answer because it's pretty important that they're all together when they hear the information that they'll then use to, you know, consider much further down the track.

• 21:11Speaker 06

  Yeah. And yeah, no evidence yesterday because of the fixture. Just got a bit of a, everyone come in, go home, take a break and sort yourselves out and we'll see you on Tuesday morning. Jamie, we're getting a heap of questions here through to the case of at abc.net.au. Lots of people like yourself wondering, you know, if we can fill in some gaps or things like that around the place. So I want to start with one here from Jaden. And he is wondering if we can refresh the alleged timeline for him. He says he's hearing lots of things out of order and he's not sure quite how they line up. Do you reckon you can help us out with that one, Jamie?

• 21:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, sure. I think we can do probably a pretty broad level timeline. So from around the time of the alleged murders, there was the Saturday, the 17th of February in 2024. That is when we've seen the CCTV of Bowlemar Condon buying a surfboard bag, that footage with a friend. Sunday, the 18th, he goes to a shift at work. That is the same day that we've seen CCTV later on in the afternoon or evening of Jesse Baird and Luke Davies at the Beresford. And then the next day, Monday, the 19th, is the day of the alleged murders. So we've heard that Bowlemar Condon woke up very early that day. The Crown says

• 22:29Speaker 03

  things happen like his phone stops connecting to the network very early in the morning. We've heard that he allegedly went to a staging area and swapped into a hire car and then went to the Brown Street Terrace. We've heard that he waited three hours. The housemates left in that time, the Crown has said. The three gunshots were heard on the CCTV recording at around 9.50 that morning. And we've heard that in the afternoon on Monday, the housemates returned one sooner than the other. I think one arrived late at night. We've heard that both of those housemates noticed the surfboard bags left in the courtyard. And the allegation is that Bowlemar Condon returned later in a hire van to move the bodies of Jesse Baird

• 23:13Speaker 03

  and Luke Davies. And then the next day on the Tuesday is when one of the housemates has told the court, she realised the surfboard bags were gone from the courtyard.

• 23:22Speaker 06

  Hmm. And we're also getting messages still at that point from Jesse Baird's phone. So they got messages, I think it was on Tuesday around lunchtime and then late in the evening, of course, Jesse Baird was expected to be moving out of that home on the Monday. They did not see him on the Monday and they were wondering what was happening with the move. And yeah, on the Tuesday, still getting messages from Jesse Baird's phone, which the allegation is that that's coming from Bowlemar Condon. And then, Jamie, is it Wednesday morning, the items are found in the skip bin at the Boss Club?

• 23:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. So we've heard a groundskeeper was the one who found the items on the Wednesday morning of that week. That seems to trigger a police investigation. So they then go to Jesse Baird's home. That's when they find the three cleaners who had been organised as a sort of bond clean because he was moving out. And then on Friday is the day that Bowlemar Condon ends up handing himself into a police station. Over the subsequent days is when police end up going to the farm at Bungonia initially. They search the dams there, they find different pieces of evidence, but Luke and Jesse's bodies were not at that farm

• 24:33Speaker 03

  area. And then the following Tuesday, so eight days after the alleged murders, is when police end up going to this site near the monastery and discovering the bodies of Jesse and Luke there.

• 24:45Speaker 06

  Yeah. Thank you, Jamie, for talking us through that. Thank you, Jaden, as well for your email prompting us to refresh the timeline of all of this. I have a document that I've been working on that starts in early 2023 and runs all the way through until now, basically. So we'll save you from that level of detail. But hopefully, what we've gone through here kind of gives you what you need to help understand how everything places in this. Yeah, the key dates are Monday, really, the 19th of February is that the day where Bowlemar Condon is alleged to have murdered Jesse Baird and Luke Davies in the Brown Street Terrace. And then it sort of unfolds from there over the next few days. Jamie, one of the questions we've got here is from Alison, who lives along the Great

• 25:27Speaker 06

  Ocean Road. Something that we mentioned in episode last week was as the police officer who arrived at this scene was kind of identifying the bodies of Jesse Baird and Luke Davies, Jesse Baird's family was there. Alison is wondering why the family was there when the bodies were found.

• 25:49Speaker 03

  I don't think the jury's been told why the family was at that property. But I do remember Detective Abella said in her evidence that police went to the monastery area after receiving information that this was at a point where they were searching the farm about 15 or 20 minutes away. And then she said, or she was asked, and then you received some information about another address and went straight there, basically. What the jury hasn't been told is what that information was and where it came from. But it seems like the information that prompted her to shift focus entirely. That gap has not been filled in yet, though.

• 26:31Speaker 06

  Thank you, Jamie. Thank you, Alison, as well. Sorry, we couldn't give you a more satisfying answer than that one, but that is the answer the jury's got. So that is the answer that you have got for now. Jamie, another one here from Casey. They're asking, whose property were Jessie and Luke's bodies found on? Was it a random or someone who was known to Bo LeMarcondon?

• 26:51Speaker 03

  So where they were ultimately found was just near the entrance to this Greek monastery that we've been talking about. And the jury hasn't been told anything about that address in terms of a possible connection to the defendant. But there was also, according to The Crown, an attempt before they found the bodies of Jessie and Luke to sink them in a dam. So in that property at the farm, about 15 or 20 minutes away. Now, The Crown, in an opening address, did say that that farm, which is near Galben, was known to Bo LeMarcondon. What they haven't explained is how it was known to him yet.

• 27:32Speaker 03

  So that's the property that it would seem has some kind of connection to Bo LeMarcondon, but we don't know what it is yet.

• 27:39Speaker 06

  Thank you, Casey, for that email to [email protected]. And one more here from Adrian Jamie. He has missed the details of the earlier break-in at Brown Street and is wondering if we can fill him in.

• 27:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, sure. So this happened allegedly in August 2023. The Crown has said, and through evidence of various witnesses, where Jessie has talked about this to other friends, the courts heard that late at night, he woke up to a person in his bedroom, quite close to his bed, and actually chased them out of the house. And the court's been told that in that alleged break-in, his wallet and his phone was stolen, but he was not able to identify who that person was. Now, The Crown's case is that it was Bo LeMarcondon. But Bo LeMarcondon's defence says that he had a key which had been provided by Jessie Baird, and that's part of the reason why he's pleading not guilty to the charge of aggravated

• 28:38Speaker 03

  break and enter.

• 28:39Speaker 06

  Okay, so this isn't about whether or not Bo LeMarcondon was at the Brown Street terrace in August, it's whether or not he broke into the terrace.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  That seems right. So the defence counsel, John Stratton, in his opening, said that it's not disputed that in August 2023, that the accused entered Mr Baird's home. But the case for the accused is that he used a key which had previously been provided to him by Jessie Baird.

• 29:07Speaker 06

  Okay, thank you, Jamie. Thank you as well, Adrian. Appreciate you getting in touch to [email protected]. And that August 2023 break-in is significant, not just from the point we've discussed there, but also that is where the police took the crime scene photos that they compared against photos from February 2024, following the shooting, and noticed a difference in the door to Jessie Baird's bedroom. And that's what prompted them to go back and take that door away and investigate it further and discover a hole in that door as well, which we've talked about in previous episodes. Thank you all for your wonderful emails. [email protected] is where you can reach us. And if you've got thoughts, feelings, questions, that is where you can reach out.

• 29:52Speaker 06

  And we really do love hearing from all of you, so please get in touch. Jamie, where are we off to next?

• 29:57Speaker 03

  Well, because of that illness in one of the jurors for one of the days that we've not been sitting, we're still up to the same point where Greg Moon is under cross-examination. So he'll return to the witness box for more questions by John Stratton.

• 30:12Speaker 06

  Thank you, Jamie. We'll be back in your feed on Thursday this week with another episode of The Case of Jessie and Luke. Make sure you get yourself around ABC Listen, best place to listen to The Case of, because it rocks up there slightly before it appears anywhere else. You can also watch us on YouTube or on ABC Listen if you so desire. Make sure you tell your friends and family as well, it pops in your group chats. And if you're looking for a point of discussion, you can let your friends and family know. The tickets for our live show will be available later this week. We'll have a heap more details in our episode on Thursday, so make sure you get around that.

• 30:49Speaker 06

  The Case of Jessie and Luke is produced by ABC Audio Studios and ABC News. This episode was reported by Jamie McKinnon and presented by me, Stephen Stockwell. Our supervising producer is Greg Miller and our executive producer is Claire Rawlinson. This episode was produced on the land of the Gadigal and we're on tree people.