03 Jesse & Luke | What Beau Lamarre-Condon allegedly told his friends

In the trial’s second week, the prosecution has shifted focus from Jesse’s relationships, hopes and fears, to Beau Lamarre-Condon’s movements, conversations and alleged intentions in the months leading up to Jesse’s and Luke’s deaths. Mr Lamarre-Condon's friend Georgia Cook told the jury the accused asked her about hiding a body, with another friend describing being asked by the accused about getting a gun. Meanwhile, the jury has seen hours of CCTV footage, which the prosecution says depicts Mr Lamarre-Condon preparing to murder Jesse Baird. If you have any questions you’d like Jamie and Stocky to answer in future episodes, please email [email protected] mailto:[email protected]. Family and domestic violence support: If you need help, contact 1800 Respect https://1800respect.org.au/ national helpline on 1800 737 732. The Case Of is the follow-up to the hit podcast Mushroom Case Daily, and all episodes of that show will remain available in the back catalogue of The Case Of.

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• 0:46Stephen Stockwell?

  In the months before the deaths of Jessie Baird and Luke Davies, their accused murderer is said to have asked a friend if she would help him hide a body and another if she could get him a gun. I'm Stephen Stockwell, welcome to episode three of the case of Jessie and Luke. And just a heads up, there is some graphic content in this episode.

• 1:05Speaker 00

  He's accused of shooting Jessie Baird and Luke Davies with his service firearm.

• 1:10Speaker 05

  Police now allege Constable Bo Lamar Condon murdered the couple at a home in Paddington.

• 1:15Speaker 06

  This is just a terrible incident that's occurred here, the loss of these two young men. Now this is Mardi Gras time and yet it's a community in mourning. The pain is ongoing. We don't have a lot of answers that we would love to have just to help bring closure, to bring peace.

• 1:34Stephen Stockwell?

  Over the last few days, we've heard about the conversations that Bo Lamar Condon had in the months before the deaths of Jessie Baird and Luke Davies, about how people said he spiralled over Jessie, about how people said he seemed angry. And we've also watched his movements, hours and hours of him walking around and driving around Sydney in allegedly preparation for the murders of Jessie Baird and Luke Davies. And there as all of this has been shown to the court has been ABC Legal Affairs reporter Jamie McKinnon. Jamie, welcome back.

• 2:06Speaker 07

  Hello.

• 2:07Stephen Stockwell?

  Jamie, it feels like the last few days has been much more of a focus on Bo Lamar Condon.

• 2:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, there has been, it's been more of a focus on his movements, on people he used to work with, people he used to be friends with. And there has been, I think it's fair to say, a slight shift in focus towards his, his perspective.

• 2:24Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, do you reckon you could sum up the last few days for us in 60 seconds or so?

• 2:28Speaker 07

  Yeah, well, we've learned the extraordinary volume of CCTV that was collected by investigators in this case. There were thousands of hours of footage that were reviewed and some of it has made it into this, this court case. It covers a one week window of time and that window includes days before and after the alleged murders. Compilations of some of that footage has been played to the jury in court and then released publicly by the Supreme Court. Jurors have seen Bo Lamar Condon at a police station's gun safe, stopping at ATMs, sizing up a surfboard in a sports store with a friend, leaving home early on the day of the alleged shootings and waiting outside Jessie's Paddington home dressed as a food delivery driver.

• 3:12Speaker 07

  There has been that slight shift in focus away from what Jessie's friends heard from him about the situation with Mr Lamar Condon and on to conversations that Bo Lamar Condon's colleagues or former friends remember having with him. We heard one friend felt guilt tripped when he convinced her to let him use her Instagram account to send Jessie an Instagram message attempting to explain his behaviour through a fake cancer diagnosis. Another friend testified that he once asked her about obtaining a gun. And a third friend said nine months before these two deaths, he asked her what she would do if he told her he killed somebody

• 3:51Speaker 07

  and whether she would help hide a body before also admitting, according to her, to breaking into Jessie's house.

• 3:59Stephen Stockwell?

  Thank you, Jamie. I appreciate you wrapping up the last few days for us. Yeah, so briefly, we'll dive in in much more detail because there is a lot to unpack as we go through the, the last couple of days. If you are following us on YouTube or watching on ABC Listen, you'll be able to see some of that CCTV footage as we talk about it throughout the episode. Jamie, I do want to start though with some of Bo Lamar Condon's friends. You've talked about a woman who in the months before this, you know, says she was asked by Bo Lamar Condon if she would help him hide a body. This is a woman called Georgia Cook. This, this evidence really stuck with me. Can you tell us how she met Bo Lamar Condon in the first place though?

• 4:38Speaker 07

  Yeah, so Georgia Cook told the court that she met him at a boat party in 2021 and then saw him, I think about a fortnight later when he turned up to a party out of the blue. She described a friendship forming after that and she said they were quite close. But she told the court that Bo Lamar Condon would speak a lot to her about Jessie Baird in particular. She recalled him telling her that he would check Jessie's phone and she warned him, probably don't do that because you'll get hurt. She used the word infatuated in her evidence to describe how Mr Lamar Condon was about Jessie. But she also described how there would be these spirals while he was talking about Jessie,

• 5:19Speaker 07

  where one minute he seemed very, very happy and then the next it seemed like he had seen something and he was sad about it or was talking to her in a, in a less positive way. So we've heard a lot about that side of their friendship and what they spoke about. But this was April 2023, where we heard that there was somewhat of a breakup between Jessie and Mr Lamar Condon. Georgia Cook spoke about, you know, discussing with, with Bo Lamar Condon that the two had sent each other goodbye breakup messages. And she said that the defendant was very upset by that point.

• 5:54Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, the message we talked about at the end of our last episode, that Jessie Baird sent Bo Lamar Condon, yeah, in April 2023. There was a dinner in May 2023 between Georgia and Bo Lamar Condon. And it sounds like at this dinner on George's evidence that Bo Lamar Condon kind of straight up asked her if she would help hide a body. Is that right?

• 6:15Speaker 07

  Yeah, so she said that one of the first things he asked her at this dinner was, what would you do if I told you I killed somebody? And she told the jurors that she just froze after that point. And then he went on and said, would you help me hide the body? And she said that her response to that was no, because I wouldn't want to be haunted by somebody. And she's continued her descriptions of this discussion this week. She, she was describing this conversation and said that he, he also asked her how she would hide a body. And she replied, I've got no idea, I, I don't know. And then he said to her, according to Georgia Cook's evidence, I would take their stuff and I would put it in a dumpster and I would take their bodies to bushland where no one would ever find them.

• 6:59Speaker 07

  Now, Ms Cook told the court that she didn't really know what to think about that. She said that it left her scared. And she also told the court that hearing a person in power in the police force, she said it felt like she didn't really have anywhere to go and, and she was quite scared by what she'd heard him say.

• 7:15Stephen Stockwell?

  Hmm, yeah, and I mean, this, you know, throughout this trial, we've also heard the allegation that Bo Lamar Condon is said to have put the belongings of Jessie Baird and Luke Davies into a dumpster where they were found by a groundskeeper of a bowls club. And also their bodies were found 200 kilometres south of Sydney as well, in, in a rural area too. Jamie, this wasn't the only thing that Georgia and Bo Lamar Condon discussed at this dinner. Was it the same dinner that Bo Lamar Condon talked to Georgia about how he had been watching or following Jessie Baird?

• 7:47Speaker 07

  Yeah, it was the same dinner. So after this discussion that she remembers about hypothetically hiding a body or what you would do in that situation, she said that that was kind of laughed off. And then Mr Lamar Condon said to her, don't worry, I didn't do that, but I did do something crazy. And then she said that the defendant told her he'd been watching Jessie from outside his house. And in that time, he had seen Jessie having sex with other men. He said there'd also been a time where he was looking over a back fence, I think, and had seen Jessie Baird taking photos of other people with a Polaroid camera. And then Georgia Cook said Bo Lamar Condon also told her that he'd watched where Jessie left his key

• 8:27Speaker 07

  and broken into the house and stolen that Polaroid camera and also eaten some of Jessie Baird's Easter eggs or an Easter egg. Now, she was asked by the prosecutor during her evidence, was this more than one time or was it once that he talked about watching Jessie Baird? And she said, it was definitely more than once. He told me he would drive his mum's car so Jessie wouldn't recognise the car and wear a black hoodie while he was watching them.

• 8:52Stephen Stockwell?

  Right, okay. And I mean, this lunch is May 2023. The charges that Bo Lamar Condon is facing in this trial are not just for the murders of Jessie Baird and Luke Davies, but also for a break and enter in the property. But that's in August 2023. So is the suggestion here that potentially this has happened before that charge?

• 9:10Speaker 07

  Yeah, so it must have been, according to Georgia Cook's evidence, before this dinner conversation that they had, so before May 2023. And we heard in the Crown Prosecutor's opening address that the allegation is Bo Lamarcondon had broken into Jesse's house at least twice. He didn't put an exact number on it, but he said it was at least twice. And we should remind people, Stocky, that Mr Lamarcondon's pleaded not guilty to the aggravated break and enter in August 2023. And his defence to that is that he had a key provided by Jesse at that time.

• 9:41Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, thank you, Jamie. Now, Jesse Baird and Luke Davies died in February 2024, but Georgia Cook actually doesn't go and have a conversation with the police and talk to them about what she says Bo Lamarcondon says at this dinner conversation. For a couple more months, I think, I don't think it's till May that she actually has a conversation with them. What was she worried about?

• 10:02Speaker 07

  Well, she seemed to speak a lot about not wanting or not knowing if she wanted to be involved in this and being quite scared of what she knew. But she also mentioned during her evidence that she had told Bo Lamarcondon something personal in confidence. It was sort of a private medical matter that she had discussed. And she said he was the only one that she had told. And at that dinner conversation, she said that he told her, if I tell you this, you can't tell anyone because then I'll let everyone know about what you told me. But then after he's arrested in February 2024, it's not until June 2024 that Georgia Cook makes a police statement. And she did tell the court, I was scared, I didn't know what to do with what I knew,

• 10:47Speaker 07

  I didn't know if I wanted to be involved, and I didn't know if he wasn't put away, what would happen to me. So she said that put her in quite a scary position. Now, under cross-examination, Georgia Cook was asked whether she'd read media reporting about this case after the defendant's arrest in February 2024. And she said yes. And she also said some of those articles would have included details like the personal possessions found in the dumpster and the fact that the bodies were located in bushland. And the defence put to her that what she has done is read information in media reporting and then attributed it to the defendant. And she denied that. She said that she remembers it like it was yesterday. And she said, when someone tells you something that's shocking, it's not something that

• 11:32Speaker 07

  leaves your mind.

• 11:33Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, thank you, Jamie. Another friend I want to talk about is someone, the Bo Lamarcondon made a call to, I think in late 2023 as well. This is where he, it's alleged that he tried to get a gun from them. Who was that called to? Who was that friend?

• 11:51Speaker 07

  So this witness is known during the trial as Alex Carroll, and it was November 2023. We heard that Bo Lamarcondon messaged her and said, can you give me a quick call? And they end up speaking on a FaceTime call, so a video call. Now, this is the same month, November 2023, where Jesse Baird had more firmly broken things off with Mr Lamarcondon and requested that there be no more contact between them. So these two end up speaking, as I said, on a FaceTime call, Mr Lamarcondon and Alex Carroll. And she claims in her evidence that he said during this call, in reference to her ex-partner, can you get me a gun? Now, Alex Carroll said that he kind of mouthed those words, but you could still understand what he was saying.

• 12:36Speaker 07

  And he also made a gun hand gesture at that point. And she told the jury that she kind of laughed this off and questioned, why would you need a gun? And then the call ended pretty soon after that.

• 12:47Stephen Stockwell?

  It was interesting from this witness, Jamie, the gesture she made as well. You know, she says that Bo Lamarcondon kind of signaled to her, can you get a, and then sort of mouthed those words. And that she held up her hand at that point as well. So two fingers pointing forward, a thumb pointing up. If you're watching on YouTube and ABC Listen Video, you'll be able to see the gesture that was made in court. But in court, that is described by either someone at the bench or the judge saying this is the gesture being made by the witness. Jamie, as well as sort of seeing that unfolding in the court, and we've watched a lot of CCTV footage played to the court, as you mentioned, you know, thousands of hours was collected, hundreds of cameras were sort of canvassed for this.

• 13:28Stephen Stockwell?

  And it felt like it's almost every single moment related to the deaths of Jesse Baird and Luke Davies from the lead up. So again, you know, we watched an entire, I think, half a day or so of vision played to the court. What stuck out to you?

• 13:44Speaker 07

  I think the most striking moment of CCTV was just seeing outside Jesse's house on the morning of the alleged murders, a person standing in a helmet and a high vis jacket with an Uber Eats bag. And the Crown says that person is Bo Lamarcondon stealing himself for what he was allegedly about to do. That was quite interesting to see for the first time, what he looked like and just how routine that seemed. It was just an inner city street and the sight of a food delivery person is a regular thing to see in streets like that. But outside of that, I think just the volume of material gathered is quite interesting, Stocky.

• 14:27Speaker 07

  I think the lead investigator told the court that they obtained footage from more than 200 different locations. And there are something like 14,000 hours or more of footage that's been reviewed and parts of that played. And some of this seems very routine. Jurors have seen parts of this compilation of CCTV footage where Mr Lamarcondon is just stopping at an ATM or going to work or leaving work or going to the gun safe at a police station, driving around different locations. And so the extent that they've been able to find footage to track his movements, even driving a car to a certain location at a certain time, is extremely interesting.

• 15:05Stephen Stockwell?

  Hmm. The piece of vision that stuck with me, Jamie, is Bo Lamarcondon's mother standing at a Hertz rental counter, waiting to hire a car, which the prosecution says was then left at a location and then, you know, picked up by Bo Lamarcondon the morning of the shooting. That, I think we watched sort of 10 minutes straight of her standing at a rental car counter. So this is not a kind of like, there's moments where it's cut up when someone's out of shot, but otherwise we're seeing a full moment of someone standing there waiting at a rental car counter. The other thing, Jamie, that stuck with me was Bo Lamarcondon going with a friend to buy a surfboard bag into a sports shop. So this looks like a really kind of banal experience of just going to a shopping centre

• 15:50Stephen Stockwell?

  and into a sports shop. Is it alleged that this is the bag that was used to put, you know, one of the bodies of Jesse Baird or Luke Davies in?

• 15:57Speaker 07

  Yeah, the allegation is that was part of his planning. Now, this was on Saturday, the 17th of February, so it was two days before the alleged murders. And it was at Westfield Miranda in Sydney. We saw the CCTV showing Mr Lamarcondon walking into a sports store in that shopping centre, going to the surfboard bag section, picking one out and then paying with cash at the counter. Now, on the Crown's case, the purchase of that bag is allegedly part of his plan to murder Jesse Baird. But he was also with a friend in this footage. And one of the parts of this, where they're at the rack of surfboard bags, you can see Mr Lamarcondon sort of holds it up next to his friend.

• 16:40Speaker 07

  And the Crown last week in their opening said that we'll hear evidence from that friend that at that point, the defendant asked him whether he thought he would fit inside. And then when the friend said no, he said, I'll get this one, it'll be big enough. So we've seen that moment, but we haven't heard evidence from that friend yet.

• 16:58Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, okay. In the middle of this CCTV kind of compilation, it's mostly following Bo Lamarcondon around, but in the middle of it, we also have CCTV of the Beresford Hotel. And we see Jesse Baird and Luke Davies in that vision. Is this just kind of a kind of sort of chronological compilation of all of the CCTV that's relevant prior to the shooting?

• 17:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, it seems to be done, at least in the way it's shown to the jury, in a sort of chronological way. So we saw, for example, Bo Lamarcondon arriving at a police station and then checking the gun safe and doing things for his shift. And then it jumps to CCTV of the Beresford in Surrey Hills. And this was the late afternoon on the 18th Sunday. And this was the last time that Jesse Baird and Luke Davies were seen. And we also heard from a friend that they saw Luke Davies. This is a close friend of Luke Davies, and they remember seeing them there and saying they were in fine form, they were in high spirits, and they were excited to sort of introduce Jesse to this friend of Luke's for the first time.

• 18:06Speaker 07

  So it is sort of jumping around relevant things, but seeing, you know, the last CCTV footage of Jesse Baird and Luke Davies was interesting as well.

• 18:15Stephen Stockwell?

  Hmm, yeah. And the compilation then moves to the Monday morning. And so this is the morning of the fatal shooting. And Jamie, as you mentioned, we see this vision of a person that the Crown alleges is Bo Lamarcondon standing on the streets outside of this house. This is there for kind of hours, right? Sort of walking around?

• 18:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, so we saw video of him leaving home very early in the morning. And then he arrives at the Paddington Street around 6am. There's a video of him parking his car. And then the Crown says he was waiting for housemates to leave. And the compilation sort of jumps between different security camera locations. And he's not in the high vis outfit for all of that time that the Crown says he was waiting. But there is a section towards the end where a person in a high vis jacket and a helmet, carrying that food delivery bag, is standing on a footpath near the Brown Street property. And the Crown says that was Bo Lamarcondon in a disguise, watching the Brown Street terrace.

• 19:21Speaker 07

  And the Crown has said that we'll invite you, as in the jurors, to infer that he was stealing himself for what he was about to do. We saw in this footage as well, Stocky, that person then leaves the CCTV frame. And then that's the moment where, not long after, there are three gunshots. And the first one was at about 9.50 that morning.

• 19:40Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah. And, you know, with the CCTV being released by the court as exhibits, we have that audio that we can play for you as well. And, I mean, I will warn you, that is very confronting. If you want to skip ahead a minute, you'll be at the end of it by that point. But you have the first two shots. And those are the shots that the Crown alleges is Bo Lamarcondon shooting Jesse Baird. And then there is this gap of about 40 or 50 seconds.

• 20:59Stephen Stockwell?

  And that is the third shot. Bola Marcondon, the prosecution says, spends a bit of time in the house following this. So on the CCTV played to the court, we didn't see him re-emerge. But I did notice, Jamie, during this audio being played, you know, as the shots are fired at the end of this, you know, kind of CCTV compilation, there was a man sitting in the public gallery, you know, sort of jumped at the second shot, someone who I've noticed in the court throughout and had heard this in the opening, still jumped at the second shot and again at the third shot as well, 50 seconds later, which, you know, feels like such a long time when you know what this is. I mean, did you notice much of a reaction in the courtroom to the gunshots?

• 21:38Speaker 07

  Yeah, I noticed that same person in the gallery, he sort of flinched or jumped in their chair at that point. And I was also trying to watch the jurors and they were sort of observing very closely and they seem like they're taking it very seriously. So there was reaction more so in the public gallery, I think, with people, um, once those gunshots were played and having been told what they are, it was quite difficult to watch for some people in the public gallery, I think.

• 22:07Stephen Stockwell?

  Hmm, yeah, I did notice people in the public gallery leaving before that period was coming up as well. Jamie, you mentioned a friend of Luke Davies's that bumped into them at the Beresford Hotel the day before the shooting.

• 22:24Stephen Stockwell?

  This guy also messages Luke Davies the following day, so sees him at the pub on a Sunday night, Monday morning, Monday afternoon, sends a message to check in, but doesn't get a reply. Instead, he messages Jesse Baird on the Monday afternoon, a point where, you know, we know he has already allegedly passed away, but he gets a reply. What's going on there?

• 22:47Speaker 07

  Yeah, so this friend was Daniel Hart. He was a close friend of Luke Davies and I think he messaged Luke the day after seeing him at the pub, just asking to go to the gym and then didn't receive a reply. And then later on, he checked in with Jesse and said, is Luke okay? And his reply that was sent from Jesse's account to him was, Luke did smash his phone screen and I'm not sure if he got that fixed. And then Daniel Hart told the court that he replied, okay, that makes sense. And then we heard that he messaged again and said to Jesse, Luke's wallet had been found and there had been calls made to his family and nobody seems to be able to get in touch with him.

• 23:31Speaker 07

  We also saw messages from Jesse Baird's phone to a person he was about to move in with. We know he was moving house and the messages to that person were sort of pulling out of that arrangement and saying, I've had a potential work opportunity come up and I'm not going to follow through with this move. Now, a reminder here that the Crown's case is that Mr. Lamar Condon was using Jesse's phone after he was allegedly murdered to give the impression he was still alive.

• 23:58Stephen Stockwell?

  Thank you for breaking all of that down for us, Jamie. Appreciate the insight and taking us into the courtroom as this trial unfolds. We've been getting so many questions through to the case of at abc.net.au that I want to dive in to some of them while we have a little bit of time. One from Elwyn, who's listening from Manchester in the UK. He's asking about the call the prosecution says that Luke Davies made to 000 on the Monday morning. Elwyn's wondering if that call connected and if there were recordings.

• 24:27Speaker 07

  Yeah, the jury's been told it did connect and the prosecution says that it was a muffled call and they have said there is a male voice in that call saying something like, get out, F off. The jury will hear that and the Crown has said that they will say that that voice was Luke Davies. But the defence says it was Mr. Lamar Condon who called 000 from Luke Davies' phone in the middle of what they say was a struggle with Jesse Baird involving the police pistol and then a separate struggle with Luke Davies.

• 25:00Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, okay. Thank you, Jamie. Wonderful question as well, Elwyn. Thank you very much for getting in touch. Appreciate you sending us an email to [email protected]. Another one here, Jamie, from Matt. He's got a couple of questions. This is about the surfboard bags we mentioned in our last episodes. This is when the flatmates, we talked about them taking photos of them out the back of the house. Matt is wondering, why did the flatmates take photos of the bags? And is the suggestion that Jesse Baird and Luke Davies were in them?

• 25:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, the Crown's allegation is that Bola Marcondon stored the men's bodies in those bags in the courtyard. And we heard yesterday from a police officer who was there investigating in the house that the housemates thought it was weird that there were these surf bags or surfboard bags in the courtyard because Jesse Baird had never spoken about having surfboards or surfing. So they thought it was a bit strange and that's why they took a photo and I think one housemate sent it to the other. But by the time police got there and they were looking through the property in the video that we've talked about, the surfboard bags were gone.

• 26:08Stephen Stockwell?

  Yep, thank you, Jamie. Thank you, Matt, for those questions as well. Appreciate you writing in. One from Sarah in Sydney, this is also related to the housemates. She's wondering, what time did they get home on the Monday following the shooting?

• 26:21Speaker 07

  One of the housemates arrived at 5.30, we've heard, and I think the other one was later that night. So I think we'll hear more from the housemates' perspective later in the trial, but for now they've sort of been mentioned in the Crown opening as a rough idea of where they fit in and their names have come up in other contexts where, you know, police have been giving evidence about speaking to them or information they gave police.

• 26:47Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, still much more to come and much more to unpack.

• 26:51Stephen Stockwell?

  Jamie, Reynard is emailing us, another one of our overseas listeners, has been actually watching us from West Hollywood in California, has been following on YouTube and he's noticed that the comments are turned off on YouTube. And he thinks our post on YouTube would be more interesting if comments were on so people could see and potentially respond to them. If someone posted a disagreement or comment, people can just ignore it. Jamie, why do we have our comments off?

• 27:15Speaker 07

  It's basically to avoid the risk of something prejudicial being posted. Not Reynard personally, I'm sure he's very responsible and wouldn't do that. But while the internet can be a great place for discussion, it can also be a legally problematic place, particularly in the context of an active court case. So I think rather than risk having something that shouldn't be out there be out there, it's probably safer for us to leave them off, especially when there's a jury involved in a court case.

• 27:44Stephen Stockwell?

  Absolutely. Thank you, Jamie. An incredibly impressive diplomatic response to the place, the internet being a place for discussion, but potentially at times like this, there's things that shouldn't be discussed, certainly if they're not discussed in front of the jury. So wonderful breakdown. Thank you, Jamie. Thank you, Reynard, for your email as well and that question. It's also a question that the social teams at the ABC have for us every now and then as well. If there are comments and there's discussion, the engagement goes up, posts can go to a wider audience, but it is certainly not worth the risk of us prejudicing a trial for that. So that's the reason for it. And Jamie, final question, personal one for you, actually. It's from Lizzie in Surrey Hills.

• 28:27Stephen Stockwell?

  She wanted to commend you on the crispness of your tie and was wondering what knot you used.

• 28:32Speaker 07

  Thanks. I think it's a half Windsor, but to be honest, it's just the only way that I've ever been taught how to tie a tie. So I think it's, I think that's what it's technically called, but to be honest, it's sometimes just whatever I come up with when I'm rushing out the door or when I'm using a camera operator's car window to do my tie. So it's nice to know that whatever I'm doing is working.

• 28:56Stephen Stockwell?

  Yes, no, it looks great. Appreciate the sartorial elegance you bring to the pod, Jamie. I know it's not coming from me, so glad someone can fly the flag for us. And Lizzie, thank you for getting in touch and for noticing Jamie's tie. A lot of effort goes into it, so it's nice to be seen. If you have any questions you'd like us to dive into, please get in touch. [email protected] is where you can reach us. Really do enjoy getting all of your questions. There's a few we didn't get today, so I add them to the list and there's more coming through, but please get in touch if there's something we can fill in for you. Jamie, where are we off to next? Do we know?

• 29:31Speaker 07

  We haven't been getting sort of advanced heads up and the jurors haven't been told who they're going to hear from in coming days. But I suspect that we will continue with things like more compilations of CCTV footage. We know that the window of time from where the footage was collected is far wider than what we've seen so far. So it's safe to say that we probably have more CCTV vision coming at some point.

• 29:57Stephen Stockwell?

  Yep, thank you, Jamie. Appreciate that. We'll be back in your feed on Thursday. The best place to follow the case of is on ABC Listen, so get yourself around that. And if you're listening on a different podcast platform, please leave us a rating or a review because it makes it much easier for other people to find us.

• 30:15Stephen Stockwell?

  The Case of Jesse and Luke is produced by ABC Audio Studios and ABC News. This episode was reported by Jamie McKinnon and presented by me, Stephen Stockwell. Our supervising producers are Greg Muller and Jess Wukinov and our executive producer is Claire Rollinson. This episode was produced on the land of the Gadigal and we're on true people.