What She Buried | 3. The Money Part

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  Campside Media.

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  When I first got in contact with Quinetta, she was just another name on my list, my list of 10,000 people held in women's prisons across the country. I sent surveys out to all these women, and I ended up writing a book, Unreasonable Women, about them.

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  I've now spent eight years reporting on survivors of violence who've been criminalized for protecting themselves. And as time has gone on, I've come to see that while a few cases are cut and dry wrongful convictions, most are more nuanced. I no longer expect to find perfect victims.

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  At first, Quinetta had declined to answer the survey. Instead, she'd written me a letter, and then we'd corresponded for a while, before she decided to finally send her survey response.

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  It was 10 dense handwritten pages. She answered my questions in detail, mostly expanding on her life in prison and her experiences in the legal system. But there was one question Quinetta declined to answer entirely. I'd asked that she tell me about the days leading up to Michael Giles' death.

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  To that, she responded, "If I told you, you wouldn't believe me. So I'd rather not."

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  Over time, I guess it became clear to Quinetta that I probably would believe her. And she began, bit by bit, to tell me more. I never pushed her on it, not until we were sitting across from each other at Lane Murray Prison. That's when I asked again about the days leading up to the death of Michael Giles. So what was going on for those three days?

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Arguing, went out to eat, went to the movies, went to something called Spaghetti Warehouse.

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  Went to a half-price box. We don't have that in Michigan. And I was like, "Oh." Went to, what are you, a furniture store.

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  Okay.

• 3:14Speaker 02

  And arguing.

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  Sex?

• 3:18Speaker 02

  Sex. Yeah, we had sex once, twice.

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  It kind of sounds like a romantic weekend.

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  It was, we were fussing a lot. We were arguing a lot. But it was cute at first. It was, "Look what you're wearing. Now why are you wearing that?" And then it just escalated.

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  I knew some of the evidence in Quinetta's case. The hole, the concrete slab, the red stain on the couch, the renter who'd been told, "Do not dig in the backyard." All of that evidence led to Quinetta. So, at the very least, back in 2007, she knew a lot more about Michael Giles' disappearance than she was letting on. But there was something else that took investigators a bit longer to unravel, something that made the prosecution's case against Quinetta pretty hard to dismiss out of hand.

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  I'd never really asked Quinetta about this, not until that February day, when we were sitting across from each other, separated by the prison glass.

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  After.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Which part's after?

• 4:28Speaker 00

  Well, after he was dead. Well, I don't know which part is after. The money part.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  So the thing is with the money.

• 4:40Speaker 00

  From Sony Music Entertainment and Campside Media, this is What She Buried. I'm Justine Vanderloon. Episode 3, The Money Part.

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  In late June of 2006, almost two decades before I visited that Texas prison, Quinetta told her mom, Roberta Powell, that she was going on a trip out of town. She'd be visiting her friend Kim, who she'd met back when they were both Air Force wives on the base in England. But when Quinetta came home, she didn't look like someone who'd just spent a few days relaxing with an old friend.

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  She comes back, and I knew something wasn't right.

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  She's got the Sequoia pulling his vehicle, that Nissan, and she was just white. And I said, "What's going on?"

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  Quinetta shrugged it off. She said she and her boyfriend, DeAndre, the man she was living with at the time, that had some kind of disagreement.

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  I didn't get into it, but she wasn't the same.

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  Roberta wasn't satisfied with Quinetta's explanation. "Why are you so pale? What's with the SUV you suddenly seem to own? Where'd it come from?" Again, Quinetta didn't have any good answers.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  So I had my friend in the Detroit Police Department run his plates, and they was registered to Giles. And I asked her, "Girl, what's going on with this vehicle?" She covered it. I don't know what she said, but she covered it.

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  You know, this is a girl that never really had a reason to lie to me.

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  I believed her.

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  But how do you cover that you have this guy?

• 6:41Speaker 03

  Well, she said something about it was something to do with Kim's husband, and he was dying of cancer.

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  Kim, the friend Quinetta had told Roberta she was visiting.

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  I even tried to catch her, and she'd always tell me the story that she told about how the girl's husband had got injured in the accident. So she said her husband had got injured in the accident, and it was his truck.

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  And he did end up dying from cancer.

• 7:10Speaker 00

  But was the injured, what, injured or cancer?

• 7:13Speaker 03

  He ended up dying from cancer.

• 7:17Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 7:18Speaker 00

  So yeah, maybe Quinetta didn't have such a consistent story about why she had towed a truck back from Texas.

• 7:25Speaker 04

  I knew about the truck, but I didn't know about the truck.

• 7:30Speaker 00

  Princess Powell, Quinetta's cousin and friend, was also wondering, where did Quinetta get this new truck? This new truck was kind of funky.

• 7:41Speaker 04

  I got in the truck.

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  The smell.

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  It smelled like old blood.

• 7:50Speaker 04

  You know, I actually thought something dead, like a mouse or something, was in the guts of the truck or something. You know what I'm saying? It just had an awful smell. And she said, "We've been trying to work, get this smell out. We've been trying to get this smell out." And I was like, you know, you sat in, it was this awful smell, and then the air of it felt thick. It was just like, you didn't want to be in that truck.

• 8:13Speaker 00

  The truck was unsettling, and so was Quinetta's appearance.

• 8:17Speaker 04

  She had scratches on her face, and her eye was swollen. I can tell she'd been in a fight. And I was like, "What happened?" I said, "Did Dee find out about Giles?"

• 8:30Speaker 04

  You know, and she just looked at me, and she let me believe that.

• 8:34Speaker 00

  Dee, DeAndre Knight, Quinetta's boyfriend. Whatever Princess thought had happened between Quinetta and DeAndre, it seemed to have passed quickly. Because not long after Quinetta returned from Texas with the new truck and the scratches on her face, she and DeAndre looked like they were doing better than ever. Actually, their life was, suddenly, very comfortable.

• 9:04Speaker 00

  Quinetta's son was already attending a prestigious school, and now Quinetta applied to get her daughter into one of Detroit's finest private kindergartens.

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  She dropped $25,000 just to enroll her.

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  And I knew something was off. I didn't know what had happened or whatever, but I knew something was off.

• 9:23Speaker 00

  Princess had the same job as Quinetta. They were both LPNs, Licensed Practical Nurses. They monitored vital signs, gave meds, helped with dressing and bathing. You definitely couldn't get rich that way. So where was that money coming from? Princess didn't think that the fathers of Quinetta's two children were paying those tuition bills. And Quinetta's boyfriend, DeAndre, he was in construction, not a bad living, but not the kind of money that would explain dropping $25,000 or all the other stuff Quinetta was suddenly splashing out on.

• 9:57Speaker 04

  She was rebuilding DeAndre's house. They totally stripped down the kitchen. They put in a sliding wall. They, I mean, from ground to ground. And then she finished her mama's house, the attic up there. That whole attic is redone. She refinished that attic. She paid off her mama's car. And her mama said it to me, too. She said, "I knew she had too much money. I knew she had too much money." But yeah, she paid off her mama's car.

• 10:26Speaker 04

  So all the cars, they were driving. And then I know DeAndre had got a vet.

• 10:32Speaker 00

  A vet, a Corvette. Princess couldn't work it out. Then Quinetta let her in on a little secret.

• 10:42Speaker 04

  She showed me her account. She had like $80,000 in her account. No, 180. I said, "Where the fuck you get all this money from?" Giles gave it to me. I said, "Why would he give you that much money?" I said, "That doesn't make sense. Why would he give you that much money?"

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• 11:51Speaker 00

  Before this podcast, I wrote and reported another podcast about a different woman who had been convicted of murder. It was called "Believe Her." That was literally the title. Believe Her. And that's my approach to my work. The people I report on, the people I've written a whole book about now, they've usually experienced pretty relentless sexual and domestic violence all their lives. And they usually haven't been believed, particularly after they fought back. I've seen cases, many cases, where these women were so clearly trying to protect themselves. But then, when police, prosecutors, even the media get their hands on these stories,

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  the narrative flips. The women are portrayed as nothing more than cold-blooded killers, liars, drama queens, fabulists, master manipulators. Exactly what they called Quinetta. I very purposefully counter all of that when I approach women in prison. As a starting place, I believe what they say about their lives. I don't think they're going to tell me every detail with 100% accuracy from the beginning. Who could? But I start with belief, and then we go from there. It's a process.

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  It's how I interacted with Quinetta. It's how I first received what she said and wrote about her past, her experiences, and about the days and weeks surrounding the death of Michael Giles. Quinetta had always been clear with me. She had killed Michael Giles. But she had also always told me that she believed the killing was justified. She said there had been an altercation, and it was him or me. Everything that came after, Quinetta said, was done in a panic. A messy attempt at a cover-up.

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  Not good, but you can sort of understand it. But then, there was the money. The first time I really understood the extent of the money was on one of my trips to visit Roberta, Quinetta's mom. Roberta had gone all out on this immense spread of food that she kept trying to feed me.

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  Got fruit kabob and Kool-Aid. All right. I'm wonderful for now. Pink lemonade.

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  Resistance was futile.

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  Put this tray out here so you can nibble something.

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  There was also cheese, pink marshmallow fluff, olives, mixed nuts, and a full charcuterie board. So, a lot of eating. But in between bites, I would fit in questions about Quinetta, or Roberta would reflect on her daughter's life, how it could have gone differently.

• 14:55Speaker 03

  So, what's in here? That's the cheese. We better get some of that, girl. I don't know what her life would be, but she would be successful. She'd be raising her children. That's why I tried to do things for them that I knew she would've did instead. She would've sent them to good school. She would've sent them to college. No question in my mind. I don't know. If she was been free, she would've been happy.

• 15:22Speaker 00

  Quinetta was free for 35 years. For a long stretch of that time, I don't think she was too happy. Sure, she presented as independent, capable, self-assured, fun, even when she felt low or desperate. This was out of habit, Quinetta told me, and necessity. She once wrote, "Society expects Black women to be strong. Carry weights. Never complain." Behind the scenes, in the years before Quinetta's arrest, there was so much turmoil. I was thinking about if the problem was men...

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  Every woman in corrections.

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  Yeah.

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  Because of men.

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  Every woman in corrections because of men. I've obviously seen plenty of cases where this is true. She's locked up because she fought back, or because she protected her kid, or because he made her take part in a crime under duress, or she stayed loyal, or she was too scared to speak out to her own detriment. It felt like Roberta was helping me make sense of Quinetta, fleshing out this portrait of the woman I knew, a woman with so much in common with other incarcerated women. And then, Roberta went to a back room and came out with a box full of documents about Quinetta's case.

• 16:45Speaker 03

  What else is in there? You see the discovery yet? This is one of them folders.

• 16:50Speaker 00

  The discovery, or this roughshod version of it that Roberta had, included police and prosecution files, documents that the state had been legally required to hand over to the defense. The records weren't super organized. Roberta's system seemed to be to put it all in piles. I started rooting around the papers. I don't know. Oh, the incident report.

• 17:16Speaker 03

  That's it.

• 17:19Speaker 00

  These were reports from the police department in Garland, Texas. On one page, there was a summary of a checking account, a joint account belonging to both Michael Giles and Quinetta Harris. So, this says here, 53,000 to you.

• 17:43Speaker 03

  For what?

• 17:44Speaker 00

  That's what it says. They said that out of this account...

• 17:49Speaker 03

  She never gave me a dime.

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  40,000 went to her, 53,000 to you.

• 17:56Speaker 03

  She never gave me a dime. Never.

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  Big record.

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  Unless they was flipping it and discovered it. I don't know much about it.

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  How do you flip it?

• 18:11Speaker 03

  Well, I know that her attorney asked me was that my signature? My girlfriend was with me. I said, "I didn't write it, but Quinetta knows how to write like me."

• 18:23Speaker 00

  Quinetta knows how to write like me. In other words, she could have forged Roberta's signature to move the money around. And there was a lot of money moving around. Some checks to family and friends, and far bigger sums wired to accounts owned by Roberta, Quinetta, and Deandre. The majority of the checks and debits occurred in Michigan.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  Huh?

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  Wow.

• 18:55Speaker 03

  I never really read.

• 18:58Speaker 00

  Really a lot going on with checks. And then, in the piles, there were photos.

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  Oh, I got a picture of her and Deandre in Vegas. And this is where she...

• 19:10Speaker 00

  Is this after all of this?

• 19:12Speaker 03

  This was he was supposed to kill in July. This was taken in September. Just one thing they did.

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  Oh, my God. The picture was a snapshot of Quinetta and Deandre in a red Ferrari, set against the backdrop of Caesar's Palace Casino. I'd known that Quinetta stole money from Michael Giles after he died. I thought, "That's poor form, okay, but it's not unheard of. A perverse decision, yes, but could be spur of the moment, a one-off. Or maybe you do it because you're desperate, because you need the cash to live." But in the picture, Quinetta and Deandre don't look desperate or torn up. They look jubilant. And the checks, there were so many for such a long time.

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  15 months' worth of checks and transfers. I mean, but, so, like, what... Okay, in the most, in the most, I mean, it looks, I mean, it looks, it's not great.

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  No.

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  It's not great.

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• 21:35Speaker 00

  In all the police reports, the forensic notes, the interview affidavits, you'll find very few details pertaining to the actual killing of Michael Giles. No witnesses, no DNA, no fingerprints, no weapon. Michael Giles' body was discovered around 15 months after his actual death, in a state of advanced decomposition. In life, he'd been husky and tall, but his remains weighed only 80 pounds.

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  Lodged inside the left orbit of Michael Giles' skull, just behind where his eye would have been, there was a partially deformed bullet that police later concluded had been fired from a 9-millimeter handgun. The gun seemed to have been aimed at the base of Michael Giles' neck, fired upward. Then, buried along with Michael Giles' remains, investigators found a pillow, a pillow with a small hole clean through it. Police believed that the pillow had been used to muzzle the sound of the gunshot, but that was it.

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  The gun? Never located. The bullet? No forensic evidence that would lead back to anyone.

• 22:58Speaker 00

  The pillow? Nothing helpful there either. In the end, though, authorities didn't need those connections, that proof, because the money, the money pointed straight to Quinetta Harris, a perfect paper trail.

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  We had all the checks, so we knew who they went to and who to go look for, and we just had to find them.

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  A few weeks after Quinetta was arrested in Detroit and transferred to Dallas, Gary Sweet returned to Michigan.

• 23:30Speaker 07

  We wanted to go back at all these people that received money, $10,000 checks. Mother received a $50,000 check, and I want to think at that time, and my numbers may be off, but I want to think she was making about $29,000 a year at that time, working at this nursing home.

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  In fact, Quinetta's W-2 for 2006 shows that she made just over $21,000.

• 23:58Speaker 07

  And she was sending her kids to a private school. So we're like, what is she telling these people? When you write a check to a friend for $10,000 and just give it to them, I don't have any friends like that, that just give me that kind of money. Every story we got was different.

• 24:15Speaker 00

  Mostly, though, Quinetta told some variation of this one.

• 24:20Speaker 07

  One of the friends or one of the acquaintances that she gave a check to said her actual biological father wasn't who she thought it was, and that he was a rich, famous attorney, and she got a large inheritance.

• 24:31Speaker 00

  Cornelius Pitts. That was the name of Quinetta's fake dad. I saw that name in the files I ended up pulling. For a while, I assumed it was made up, until one day I Googled the name, and there he was, Cornelius Pitts, famed Detroit criminal defense attorney, with silver hair slicked back. It was an absurd lie. It was also creative, and, at its root, sad. Quinetta's biological dad, a Vietnam vet, he rarely showed up for her. When Quinetta was a kid, Roberta hid the truth, that he suffered from PTSD and severe

• 25:16Speaker 00

  mental illness. Quinetta always wondered, "Did I do something? Did he reject me?" Later, she learned that he ended up in a group home, talking about how Ryan Seacrest owed him money. Cornelius Pitts as a father? That was a far grander tale. She'd been telling it since she was a girl.

• 25:39Speaker 04

  She used to tell people her daddy was a judge, you know? Was this judge that was on Detroit TV all the time?

• 25:46Speaker 00

  Cornelius Pitts?

• 25:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:48Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 25:49Speaker 04

  She said, yeah, she used to tell people that that was her dad. That wasn't her dad.

• 25:52Speaker 00

  Princess Powell obviously hadn't been told that the mystery money came from Cornelius Pitts. She'd been given a few different explanations, and so she'd also been caught up in Gary Sweet's investigation.

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  They came, they flew up here just to talk to me, pulled me off my job.

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  She was questioned. She signed an affidavit. I showed her a copy.

• 26:14Speaker 04

  I did write this. That's my handwriting. "I, Princess Peoples," and I was married at the time, "swear that I'd been told by my second cousin and coworker, Quinetta Harris, that she received her lump sum of money as a gift from a friend named Kim." That was another lie, too, who received $10 million settlement where her husband was killed by a J.B. Hunt truck on his way to work. That's what she was telling people where she got the money from. That was the lie. Yeah, but she ain't never gave me a nickel. I wouldn't accept her shit, because I knew, I just thought that she was scamming. So I didn't want no money. I didn't want no money, no gifts. My conscience clear.

• 26:57Speaker 00

  Now comes the part that, perhaps more than any other thing I uncovered during my reporting, complicated how I approached this story, because it totally scrambled the narrative of Quinetta as a survivor, first and foremost. It made her, instead, not just someone who fought back, as she had said, but someone who had then perpetrated a pretty intricate series of financial crimes. The details are as follows. Over a period of months, Quinetta seems to have stolen more than $200,000 from Michael Giles. His investment accounts were liquidated. His military pension payments were siphoned off. Any cash he had

• 27:39Speaker 00

  lying around, that was long gone. The money moved from account to account, so it's hard to know exactly what Quinetta bought with it all. She apparently made some car payments, and Princess remembers that Quinetta finished Roberta's attic. The small Detroit bungalow now had one extra room. Some of the money went to a few of Quinetta's friends, the ones who were hearing stories about Cornelius Pitts, or stories about Kim's cancer-stricken husband and his deadly run-in with the J.B. Hunt truck. Other payments, authorities believe, went to Quinetta's kid's tuition, and a decent amount of money, it seems, went, tellingly,

• 28:19Speaker 00

  to benefit the man Quinetta was living with, her boyfriend, Deandre Knight, who, according to what we've heard, apparently got a Corvette, a motorcycle, and a finished basement. And Deandre knew, at least to an extent, where that money was coming from.

• 28:36Speaker 07

  We found a notarized power of attorney granting her access to everything.

• 28:42Speaker 00

  The document was dated and signed by Michael Giles on September 27, 2006, which was nearly three months after Michael Giles disappeared.

• 28:54Speaker 07

  And we want to find out who signed that, because he's dead.

• 29:00Speaker 00

  To get a power of attorney, you needed notarized. But to actually transfer the proceeds of Michael Giles' investment accounts to his bank, you needed to go a step further. The bank required an agent to come and collect signatures in person. In this case, the agent was a man named Donald Eberly.

• 29:19Speaker 07

  We find Donald Eberly, and, you know, basically trying to get the story, how this woman got on the accounts, and he says, "Yeah, she showed up with that power of attorney." And he says, "I told her I have to actually see him sign it." And she's, "Well, he can't. He's had a stroke."

• 29:37Speaker 00

  Donald Eberly agrees to meet with Quinetta Harris and stroke survivor Michael Giles, who also was in a serious car accident.

• 29:45Speaker 07

  So she sets up a time for him to come to their house, and he shows up at the house, and he tells us, "There's a guy in a hospital bed, bandaged all up," and so that resembled enough of Michael Giles, who he had never met, but, you know, had the driver's license.

• 30:00Speaker 00

  The ailing, wounded person in the bandages is, understandably, not doing great. He's speaking in a whisper, but he's able to get out that, yes, he does want his investments transferred to his savings account, and yes, he wants to add Quinetta Harris as a joint owner on that very account. Donald Eberly holds out the first of several papers for the bandaged man.

• 30:27Speaker 07

  And he scribbled a signature on it, and there goes the money.

• 30:35Speaker 00

  Okay. Assuming Michael Giles was, at that time, buried under a concrete slab, who was actually on the hospital bed? It wasn't much of a stretch to see the obvious suspect: Deandre. Same bald head, same broad build. He bore a decent enough resemblance to Michael Giles, especially if you imagine him wrapped up like a mummy and lying prone on a hospital bed, mumbling. So Gary Sweet asks the Detroit police to find Deandre. They arrest him and bring him to the station, where Gary is waiting. And Gary figures, "We don't actually have

• 31:18Speaker 00

  that much on this guy. This is probably a waste of time."

• 31:22Speaker 07

  I had a run-in bet with a guy with me. I said, "He's not going to admit to any of this. You know, he would be dumb to admit to it, because we, I mean, we don't have a real strong case on him." He admitted to everything. What do you mean, he admitted to everything? He admitted to signing the paper. He admitted to forging the power of attorney. I mean, he confessed to all the stuff we thought he did. He spilled immediately? Almost immediately.

• 31:52Speaker 07

  Why? I don't know. I was shocked. But yeah, it was within the interview, within four or five minutes, he's telling us everything of all his involvement and her plans and plot.

• 32:07Speaker 00

  Deandre gave her up right away. The mother of his baby girl, born just 11 months after Michael Giles disappeared.

• 32:16Speaker 07

  But he didn't have any instinct to protect himself or to protect her?

• 32:20Speaker 00

  The "her" here, by the way, is Quinetta, not the baby.

• 32:23Speaker 07

  No. Is that unusual? Uh, in the criminal world, probably not.

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  I mean, I think he probably knew what was about to happen with her.

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  And what was about to happen to her? Well, basically, she was going to find herself quite trapped.

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  And when she understood that she had no clear path out of the mess she was in, it seems that Quinetta went to unimaginable, desperate, and reckless lengths to forge one. I can't remember what her name was, but she played like she was in,

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  I don't want to offend anybody by saying this, but African or a different race. She, you know, changed her voice. She was like, hey, I have this opportunity.

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