Pod Insights The Binge Cases: Doctor Billions Catch Me If You Ken I 5. The Wallet About this episode Ken allegedly scams his way through Europe under a different name. But when a musician in Italy finds out, things get confrontational—and personal.
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0:59 Speaker 01 We've heard from Rita, the housekeeper, the Sables in Ohio, and Sophie, Ken's ex-girlfriend. All people who met Ken in real life. And that, to me, is one of the most interesting things about Ken. Something makes him feel the need to cozy up to potential targets in the flesh, unlike so many scammers today who hide behind a digital veil. Maybe it's because seeing Ken in person helps sell his story. He has this baby face and a sort of unassuming demeanor. No one ever says he's threatening. He appears benign, and perhaps that makes him more convincing.
1:40 Speaker 01 Or maybe, for Ken, there's a psychological reason. A need Ken has to feel close to people, both physically and emotionally.
1:51 Speaker 01 Because over in Italy, in a stylish apartment in a major city, a man we're calling Antonio is making a new friend.
2:00 Speaker 01 It's still the pandemic, spring 2022. So Antonio has been spending a lot of time online, in a Discord group, talking to people around the world. Discord is a messaging app, sort of like Slack, but organized around different topics.
2:15 Speaker 02 Two or 300 people signed up to this group, but only 30 were usually online.
2:23 Speaker 01 Antonio is a classical musician with a bohemian flair and speaks English with a thick Italian accent.
2:30 Speaker 02 I'm an artistic sort of personality, and I like to learn and I like to take challenges in new territories of knowledge.
2:40 Speaker 01 When live music disappeared during the pandemic, Antonio got into day trading and cryptocurrency. That's what this Discord group is all about: people sharing their tips and tricks for making money via stocks. One guy in particular seems to be an investing genius.
2:58 Speaker 02 He posted logs of incredible trades, you know, like he established himself as a reputation in this group.
3:08 Speaker 01 This guy seems to get it right all the time. He apparently works at Google X, the tech giant's super-secret experimental arm. Antonio thinks, no wonder he's so good at day trading. He's a tech genius.
3:26 Speaker 02 One day, I decided to text in private this guy. Can you give me a few hints or suggestions on how to learn trading?
3:39 Speaker 01 They start talking. Antonio doesn't know it yet, but that conversation would lead to a life-changing friendship, a door-busting police raid, and a revelation that would turn everything Antonio thought he knew on its head.
4:03 Speaker 01 From Sony Music Entertainment and Campsite Media, this is Catch Me If You Can, episode five, The Wallet. I'm Natalie Roberman.
4:20 Speaker 01 Last episode, we followed Sophie's attempts to get her money back from Ken, tracking him down in Switzerland using his IP address, and ultimately managing to recoup about $50,000. This episode, we dive into how Ken's apparent need for human connection brings him face to face with a new sort of victim. A man who claims that Ken manipulates him into a friendship with devastating consequences. So when Antonio joined this day trading Discord group, it was still COVID era. Like a lot of us, he was desperate for connection. So after Antonio messages the superstar investor on Discord, the two strike up a friendship online. They start messaging all the time.
5:05 Speaker 02 Because I was living a very isolated life at the time. Meeting this guy was liberating, you know?
5:12 Speaker 01 Their relationship blossoms virtually. Because this guy works at Google X, he tells Antonio he has to keep his identity secret. But they get close. He starts calling Antonio "brother." Antonio feels a connection that goes deeper than just two guys chatting online about money.
5:30 Speaker 02 I don't know if it's a bit new age and some sort of man community.
5:36 Speaker 01 Whatever it is, Antonio's into it. He's enamored with the smart guy and with day trading and crypto in general. He feels a sense of possibility for the first time in years.
5:46 Speaker 02 The right in the moment when you feel more vulnerable, you seem to have found a tool to overcome the adversity.
5:55 Speaker 01 For Antonio, day trading is that tool. I mean, he's a classical musician, not exactly making money hand over fist, especially in a pandemic. But he's had some incredible luck with investing. He took $20,000 in savings and turned it into $100,000 just by buying crypto at the right time.
6:15 Speaker 02 I invested at the right moment. And so in less than one year, I five Xed my investment. I made out like one hundred thousand dollars and more.
6:27 Speaker 01 For him, investing is empowering, and this Discord seems like a secret manual. Antonio's friend seems to be hacking the system, making money out of thin air.
6:38 Speaker 02 He told me, you will be my spiritual brother, and I will be your financial savior, something like that, you know. He told me, you are an artist. I don't want you to worry about money for the rest of your life.
6:55 Speaker 01 So when this guy in the Discord tells him he's founding a crypto startup, Antonio is interested.
7:01 Speaker 02 I said, yes, I'm gonna be part of your first investors. And he started sending me logs of amazing profits. So I sent him the first two thousand dollars.
7:14 Speaker 01 Then the guy tells him something else.
7:17 Speaker 02 He said he was planning to take a break from work and do some holiday in Italy. And he started saying, I'm gonna go to Sicily, maybe I can come find you.
7:27 Speaker 01 So in July 2022, two months after they first connected online, Antonio goes down to the train station to meet his new friend.
7:38 Speaker 01 It's hot and dry, his shirt just beginning to stick to his back. Announcements for platforms and departures swirl in Italian. Tourists dragging wheelie suitcases dart this way and that. Antonio stands there, waiting, and then he sees his friend.
7:55 Speaker 02 This very gentle-looking Asian guy with a baby face. His name was Kai, K A I, bent, B E N T, young.
8:10 Speaker 01 Kai, spelling K A I, bent, young. Kai and Antonio greet each other, and then Kai hands him something.
8:19 Speaker 02 He brought a gift.
8:21 Speaker 01 It's a crystal bracelet.
8:23 Speaker 02 Which at first I found strange, but then flattered me. Kind of cool as an object, and it must have costed quite some money.
8:36 Speaker 01 Antonio is impressed. Sure, he thinks it's a little odd that a man is giving him jewelry, but Antonio is kind of a free spirit. He's into meditation, and Kai says he is too. It's just one of the many things they share in common. So a crystal bracelet? Sure, why not? Kai is hungry, so they go to a café for cappuccino and focaccia. This snack leads to more meals, more hangs. Over the next few days, they see each other repeatedly.
9:05 Speaker 02 He met my family, my friends. We hang out, we eat dinner on the beach, playing music.
9:13 Speaker 01 They get even closer, sharing more about their personal lives.
9:17 Speaker 02 From time to time, he was talking to this girlfriend of him, who he said that he met in America.
9:24 Speaker 01 Meanwhile, Kai is showing Antonio profit logs that give him a picture of how rich Antonio is becoming thanks to these new investments. It looks so great, Antonio decides to double down.
9:39 Speaker 01 A week into the trip, Antonio gives him more money, bringing his total investment to $20,000. Then Kai tells him about another project, an eco-friendly resort in Costa Rica. The idea is he's going to take the profits from the crypto project and set up this hotel.
9:57 Speaker 02 He presented a few documents, a few contracts, and there were mentioned a few investors. He was saying they were the first investors and I was going to be part of the first investors group.
10:10 Speaker 01 Kai just needs a bit more money first, so he starts asking Antonio's friends and family for money. Antonio says he sends him some more, and some more, and some more. All in all, he says he gives Kai $108,000, everything he made from his crypto investment.
10:32 Speaker 01 Not only that...
10:33 Speaker 02 And he also took money from my dad, actually.
10:41 Speaker 01 Meanwhile, Antonio and Kai decide to take a little mini-break together. They go down to Puglia, in the south. If you're looking at a map of Italy, it's the heel part on the boot. Puglia's got great beaches, gorgeous little historic towns, very picturesque. They're staying in a place right by the water.
11:00 Speaker 02 I was doing my thing, I was playing my instrument, he was doing his stuff.
11:06 Speaker 01 Antonio gets a text. It's from a friend of his. And the text says: "There's no one with the name Kai Bent Young, working at Google."
11:19 Speaker 01 Antonio's blood runs cold.
11:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, and then I said, "Uh-oh, this is creepy", and I started being really nervous.
11:31 Speaker 01 This is a friend Antonio trusts, who he's known for a while. And this friend had already apparently lost money to a different scammy investment. So he'd looked into Kai on Antonio's behalf. And now he's telling Antonio Kai isn't who he says he is.
11:49 Speaker 01 Antonio walks out of the apartment.
11:52 Speaker 02 I went down to the reception, and I asked for the copy of the documents which we have left.
11:58 Speaker 01 They'd left copies of their ID to check in. The person at reception hands it over.
12:04 Speaker 02 I checked the ID, and the ID was another name. The name was Kai Yanai.
12:11 Speaker 01 Antonio's new friend, Kai Bent Young, is actually a complete stranger to him. Now Antonio has to figure out what to do about, allegedly, the talented Mr. Yanai.
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13:37 Speaker 01 Antonio says when he discovers Kai's name is actually Ken, he freezes. And reminder: we are relying on Antonio's version of this story here.
13:47 Speaker 02 I was in what psychologists call cognitive dissonance. You know, like, it cannot be, but it is, completely in the same moment.
13:59 Speaker 01 That night, Antonio stays up Googling Kai Benthyung's name and Ken's name, trying to find out more about this guy he's sharing a roof with, a guy he says he's given over $100,000 to.
14:12 Speaker 02 And I found out Nancy's page.
14:15 Speaker 01 The Kenyan I scammed me Instagram account. The page filled with posts about Ken being an alleged scammer. The same page Ken's ex-girlfriend Sophie learned about on the street in Marbella.
14:28 Speaker 02 And I went nuts.
14:32 Speaker 01 Antonio scrolls through the Instagram page, his long hair flopping forward in his face. And what he finds is post after post accusing Ken of wrongdoing. And it's not just Nancy's alleged experience with Ken. There are screenshots on the page from other alleged victims. From Rita, his house cleaner, from the Sables, back in Ohio, from many of the other victims you've heard from in previous episodes. Antonio reads it all in shock. He and his dad have given nearly $120,000 to this guy. Antonio texts his friends and brother, asking them what to do, frantically trying to figure out how he should proceed, given what he now knows.
15:15 Speaker 01 Then, around 7 a.m., Antonio gets out of bed, while Ken's still asleep, and sneaks out of the apartment, trying desperately not to wake him.
15:24 Speaker 02 I locked him in the house and I went to the police.
15:28 Speaker 01 In the police station, he tells them everything.
15:32 Speaker 01 The police decide to come back to the Airbnb with Antonio and question Ken. The police pull up.
15:39 Speaker 02 They knocked on the door and he came out and he he started yelling, "Boy, what have you done? You betrayed me." Something like that, you know. "Why? What's happening? I haven't done anything bad. I haven't done anything bad." And I went really, you know, I got really angry at him and I started a loud voice telling him, "Give me back my money and, you know, you got all the money from me. Now you have to give me back your money." And he said, "I can't give you the money right now in front of the police," you know. I told him, "Why you have these fake profiles online? And there's several reports of you being a fraudster," you know. And so,
16:23 Speaker 02 he wasn't replying directly to that question of mine and he told me, "I can give you only 5K right now because the rest of the funds I've transferred to another wallet in Africa." And the one who is...
16:42 Speaker 01 The usual excuses, the same ones he gave to Sophie when she first confronted him. But right now, Antonio says Ken has a more immediate problem. According to Antonio, the police discover that Ken doesn't have a valid ID on him. When you travel within Europe by train, your passport usually isn't checked at the borders. Because Ken allegedly doesn't have his passport on him, the police question him. Antonio says they take him down to the station. I've seen a picture of Ken in what looks like its waiting room. He's wearing blue shorts and New Balance sneakers, and he's got a light blue medical mask pulled under his chin. It's still COVID time, after all. He's sitting in a blue plastic chair, and a policeman wearing a navy shirt that says "Policia" stands to the left of him.
17:27 Speaker 01 It's difficult to read Ken's facial expression. He seems relaxed, at least in his body language. His legs are crossed and his arms lay loosely in his lap. But maybe he's just projecting calm. Or maybe he's quietly confident that everything will be okay. Because remember, Antonio and Ken are in a small town in Puglia, not a big city. And these local cops tell Antonio, "There's a problem."
17:57 Speaker 01 According to Italian law, if someone is caught red-handed, there will be a direct judgment or an immediate trial. This is called "il giudizio dettissimo", which means there's strong enough evidence of a defendant's culpability that the prosecutor can put the case in front of a judge in the next two days. But according to Antonio, because Ken had allegedly already taken money from him, arresting and holding Ken was a lot harder. I found this difficult to believe, but I ran it by an Italian lawyer, who told me Italian police can only detain someone briefly without a formal charge. According to Article 390 of the Italian Code of Criminal Procedure, police can only hold a person without formal charges for 48 hours.
18:40 Speaker 01 After that, they need a judge to validate the detention. Otherwise, the individual must be released. Crypto makes this all difficult. Because local police don't have the tools to investigate digital fraud on the spot, and unless a specialized unit gets involved, which usually doesn't happen quickly, there's not much anyone can do. It seems like Ken knows it, too.
19:03 Speaker 02 He was just repeating, "It's my right to talk to a lawyer. What you're doing to me is not legal." So he knew that he was being detained for no reason. So the police were trying to find a legal reason to keep him, but they couldn't, you know? That was like one of the most painful days of my life.
19:36 Speaker 02 Even the policeman were sorry for me. Because they realized that I was getting scammed, but they could not do anything.
19:49 Speaker 01 We tried to get in touch with the local Italian police to verify all of this, but received no comment.
19:57 Speaker 01 What we do know for sure is that Ken is let go, again.
20:02 Speaker 02 He was telling me the last lie, that he would make this right with me, and he would just call a lawyer in the main town nearby. You know, a lawyer can sort out how to give me back the money. And of course, I didn't believe anything of that.
20:25 Speaker 01 Antonio doesn't know what to do. The police don't seem to really be able to help. Antonio feels as though he's on his own. Luckily, Ken is still sharing his location with Antonio. So Antonio and his brother follow Ken to a hotel and take turns sitting in the lobby. They want to be there to track Ken if he goes anywhere. While he's in the lobby, Antonio gets a call. It's from Nancy, the woman who started the Instagram account.
20:53 Speaker 02 Nancy reached me on the phone and started asking me info. And she started sharing the story.
21:02 Speaker 01 Antonio says Nancy tells him all about her experience with Ken and about Sophie, the ex-girlfriend you heard from the last two episodes, the girlfriend Ken claimed to still be dating, the one he was telling Antonio about when they were hanging out. Antonio is stunned. He can't really comprehend the scope of this, but he doesn't want Ken to get away. The next day, he and his brother are watching Ken's phone location when they see him moving.
21:29 Speaker 02 We saw him leaving. And we follow him. And I wrote him, where are you going? He said, no, I'm just going to do shopping.
21:39 Speaker 01 Ken agrees to meet up with Antonio and his brother. And Antonio thinks, okay, he's not running away.
21:45 Speaker 02 So finally, we met in the afternoon again in a cafe. And he told me, I'm going to make this right with you. He was saying, I'm gonna get back to your investment to you. I've done wrong, I know.
21:58 Speaker 01 Antonio thinks, maybe this will still all be made right.
22:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, I was still believing in some sense of humanity and, you know, believing in words, but I go away, broken hearted.
22:14 Speaker 01 But still hopeful. Ken assures Antonio, he just needs to find a lawyer, and then this whole mess will be sorted.
22:22 Speaker 02 So he kept writing me emails over the next few days. But he said, I didn't find a lawyer in the town where we were. So he went to Rome and of course, I realized that he's going away.
22:39 Speaker 01 Antonio can feel Ken slipping through his fingers.
22:42 Speaker 02 The only chance I had beside letting him go was becoming a criminal myself.
22:48 Speaker 01 Antonio could either beat Ken up and potentially catch a charge himself, or do nothing. So he watches as Ken's location moves further and further away.
23:00 Speaker 02 And what happened later next for me was just a breakdown.
23:12 Speaker 01 Nearly $120,000, gone. I can only imagine how devastating that would be, and how heartbroken Antonio must feel. This win was how Antonio rebuilt his confidence and identity in the wake of the pandemic and losing his livelihood. He saw the money he'd saved multiply before his eyes because he hit the jackpot with crypto, only for it now all to go to zero because he trusted the wrong guy. It's gut-wrenching, an absolute sucker punch.
23:44 Speaker 01 Antonio figures this is probably the last he'll hear of Ken.
23:49 Speaker 01 And then he gets a text from Sophie.
23:53 Speaker 02 She got in touch with me as well, that he was in France.
23:58 Speaker 01 And surprisingly, Ken keeps sending Antonio emails, saying the same old thing.
24:03 Speaker 02 Promising me he will give me back your money. You've been my friend. You're the best person I've ever met. My brother, I'm gonna make this right with you, I promise.
24:13 Speaker 01 And then the emails dry up. Ken ghosts him.
24:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, he blocked me and he changed phone card every now and again, yeah.
24:24 Speaker 01 Antonio feels like he's lost all hope, except for one: Sophie. He's in contact with her, and he thinks, he hopes, she's going to help him.
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25:49 Speaker 01 So Antonio says his entire ordeal with Ken lost about three months, all told, from May 2022 until July 2022. In that period, Antonio says he sends Ken more than $100,000. He credits COVID with his vulnerable mental state and thinks that has a lot to do with why he trusted Ken so quickly.
26:13 Speaker 02 I mean psychologically, my mind was not performing. I sort of built another reality because the reality was sucking at the moment. I met this total stranger, which I projected on my desire for a friend, you know, to make that time lighter.
26:44 Speaker 01 It's not just the money. It's believing in friendship. The experience with Ken makes Antonio doubt his ability to read people and therefore doubt himself. It's destabilizing to realize you've been so wrong about someone you eagerly invited into your life. It makes you rethink everything. But after Ken ghosts him, Antonio finds solace in talking to other victims, Sophie in particular. The two stay in touch. Sophie gives him the contact of the German police that she was talking to, and Antonio emails them. The German police call him back, but nothing ultimately comes of it. It just seems like because it was all via cryptocurrency and anonymous, it's too difficult to get the evidence necessary
27:28 Speaker 01 to prove Ken's behind it. Then, one day, Antonio says Sophie messages him, saying-
27:34 Speaker 02 That Ken was serious about paying her back and had already gave her back, I don't know if 20 or 40K.
27:45 Speaker 01 Antonio feels hopeful for the first time in a long time. If Ken is paying Sophie back, Antonio thinks, maybe there's a chance that he'll pay Antonio back. And Sophie seems to be trying to help Antonio's cause. Because a few months after Ken disappears, Antonio gets a notification. Ken has sent him $6,000.
28:09 Speaker 01 It's only a fraction of what Antonio allegedly lost, but he's still relieved. He's gotten something back, and maybe there's more on the way. So Antonio crosses his fingers and waits and waits and waits. And as he waits, practicing his instruments and teaching his students over Zoom, his mind starts to whirl. There's a musical form, the fugue. It's a piece of music composed of interweaving melodies. One voice starts it off, singing out the theme. Then a second voice picks it up, changing it slightly. Then a third voice comes in. They build on each other, creating this interlocking mass of point and counterpoint,
28:50 Speaker 01 until the original melody is turned around on itself and transformed completely. And to me, these swirling voices seem to be what's happening in Antonio's head. He thinks he has an alliance with Sophie because she's helped him get paid back. But he starts to think, why has she gotten half her money back, while he's only received a tiny fraction? He starts to feel like he's beneath her in some kind of pecking order.
29:17 Speaker 02 I think I realized, if she writes me and she's interested in him paying me back, that must mean that she's got much more.
29:30 Speaker 01 His experience with Ken taught him that people are only out for themselves, and this distrusting voice starts to grow. He begins to think, maybe Sophie isn't that benevolent.
29:41 Speaker 02 Also because, having known her a bit, she was really into a certain lifestyle.
29:48 Speaker 01 How did Sophie get paid back? Because Antonio starts to think there's an interesting wrinkle in the timeline. And he believes he got scammed, right around the time Sophie got paid back.
30:02 Speaker 02 It's a chain. It's a very crazy chain.
30:05 Speaker 01 In the US, we call it borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. And maybe that's what Ken was doing, allegedly taking money from Antonio to pay back Sophie. Antonio wonders, how else was Ken able to give Sophie back so much money? Remember, Sophie got Ken to pay her back about $50,000, but she doesn't ask questions about where it's from.
30:27 Speaker 06 My lawyers advised me also, like, "Don't even ask, because you don't want to be complicit in any crimes."
30:37 Speaker 01 Sophie received money from Ken roughly between the spring and summer of 2022. That's right around the time Ken was allegedly getting money from Antonio. Now, we don't have proof that Ken definitively took Antonio's money and gave it to Sophie. There's a timeline correlation, but that doesn't equal causation. But the fact that Sophie and Antonio got paid back at all is very interesting to me. What kind of scammer cuts his victims a check? It makes me think Ken must feel something for these victims. Because why else would he pay back Sophie $50,000? Maybe the payback is self-serving.
31:18 Speaker 01 Perhaps he sends cash so they'll stop pursuing legal action against him. But if he really is taking money from Antonio to make Sophie whole, that's just so sad. I don't begrudge Sophie getting some of her money back. And there's at least one other victim who allegedly got paid back from Ken, too, even as they were telling Ken's victims that they needed to band together to destroy him. If you've ever seen the mystery movie Knives Out, it's a little like that. Some characters seem to be looking out for themselves, even as they claim to be part of a team.
31:50 Speaker 02 It's a very strange place to be because on one side, you want to be friends with people. On the other side, you know that probably there is no real solidarity, yeah.
32:01 Speaker 01 He never receives any more money from Ken. He says he and his father are still owed more than $110,000. But Antonio is the final link in our chain. Because he's the last person we know of who saw Ken in real life. And now Ken has vanished, again. The victims can't find him. The cops in Italy, Germany, the US aren't interested. So we're going on the chase, both to find Ken and to find out everything we can about the man known as Ken Yuenai.
32:41 Speaker 01 Next time, on the final episode of Catch Me If You Can, we chase Ken and all his aliases.
32:50 Speaker 07 Ken Yuenai. Wen Long Chu. Ken Rick Chi, C-H-E-E.
32:54 Speaker 02 K-A-I. Ben's Young.
32:57 Speaker 07 Ken Brick. With a D. I'm the journalist investigating the story about Ken Rick Chu.
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33:46 Speaker 01 Catch Me If You Can is a production of Sony Music Entertainment and Campside Media in association with Ish Entertainment. It's written and hosted by me, Natalie Robamed, and executive produced by myself and Vanessa Gregoriades. Our senior producer is Abakar Adan. Our producer is Julia Case-Lavine. Our story editor is Michael Canyon-Meyer, and our assistant editor is Emma Simonoff. We had help from Blake Rook and Lily Houston-Smith, who managed the production. Sound design, mix, and engineering by Mark McAdam. Voice acting for Ken by E. Nguyen-Lai Trumien. Becca by Lily Houston-Smith. And Sophie by Madison Lanacy. The executive producers at Sony Music Entertainment are Catherine St. Louis and Jonathan Hirsch,
34:30 Speaker 01 Josh Dean, Adam Hoff, and Matt Scher at Campside Media, and Michael Herschorn at Ish Entertainment. Thanks to Jess Antonini, Joe Mancino, and Reagan Graham. And thanks to Campside's operations team, Doug Slaywin, Ashley Warren, and Sabina Mara. And thank you for listening.
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