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2:02 Speaker 00 Here's something I think about now and again. How hard it is to commit a crime today.
2:10 Speaker 00 Because wherever you are, you're being watched. Cameras are everywhere. Cell phones, live footage, traffic cams, CCTV. A walk in any American city and you'll end up in the background of a dozen Instagram reels, TikTok tics. Everywhere, cameras are rolling. And if you've done something bad, somebody, somewhere, has you on camera, walking away from the scene of the crime.
2:40 Speaker 00 This is a reality that we accept in today's world. Outside our homes, all eyes are upon us. Behind the curtains and closed doors, however, it's our kingdom. To have property is, in a way, to have privacy.
2:56 Speaker 00 But what if someone saw you as their property? And those inescapable recording devices were in your home? What if your comings and goings became the subject of round-the-clock surveillance? Every moment, every laugh, every tear, the mundane, the profound. Every phone conversation.
3:22 Speaker 00 This is not some elaborate rumination or a scene from a spy movie. This is where our story begins, in a single-family home in the suburbs of Atlanta.
3:41 Speaker 00 Nikki Liley is missing. No one has seen her in a week. It's the peak of summer, July 2011. A muggy, soupy afternoon heat blanketed the suburban Atlanta neighborhood of Lawrenceville. An army of concerned friends, family, and coworkers are preparing a search party to find Nikki. Her sister Amy and her oldest daughter Alex are leading the efforts. The problem was, they were having trouble getting anyone to run a news story about Nikki. Something that happens to many families when a loved one goes missing. Amy even knew someone at the local station. She pleaded with them to run a story about her sister.
4:21 Speaker 05 And I said, can you see if you can get this story in? And he called me back and he said, Amy, I'm really, really trying. But at this point, the story is basically a grown woman in her right mind left her house willingly.
4:39 Speaker 00 Time was running out. She was beginning to fear the worst. Several days ago, flyers with Nikki's face and bright red lettering that read "missing" had been put up on the power poles in the neighborhood. Now, most of them were gone. And that's how Amy and Nikki's oldest daughter, Alex, found themselves in the parking lot of a Walmart. If Nikki's disappearance wasn't enough of a news story on its own, well, then she was going to make a news story. Because that's the kind of person Amy is. She would never give up on her sister.
5:14 Speaker 05 And sure enough, news vans showed up.
5:17 Speaker 00 It worked. The search party was enough of a story, even if her disappearance wasn't.
5:22 Speaker 05 We were all wearing red. That was the plan. We were all gonna wear red shirts so that it was like, you know, a loud, very visible color.
5:30 Speaker 00 The group would split up and cover the entire neighborhood around where Nikki lived. The Liley family home was located on the far end of a loop. The entrance to the neighborhood was surrounded by trees. Search parties rarely yield results, and Amy knew that. It wasn't the point. They wanted the cameras there because if they could get this story outside of their small suburban community, maybe the word would spread. Maybe someone would have seen her.
5:58 Speaker 05 I got this call from Sophia Choi from Channel 2 News. She said, you know, she wanted to speak with me and, you know, I'm like in the woods behind their house. It's raining and it's miserable. And I see the news truck pull up. And so I get out of the car and I go and I shake Sophia's hand and, "Nice to meet you. All of that."
6:24 Speaker 05 And then there's a blood curdling scream from the woods.
6:32 Speaker 06 I just saw a huge, big pile. It just looked, it looked like it was covering up something. So I just started kicking away at it and then saw her body and her hair.
6:47 Speaker 07 Family members pry out as a coworker.
6:49 Speaker 08 Man, we're gonna be roping this whole area off.
6:51 Speaker 07 Gwinnett County firefighters and police arrived just minutes after people looking for it. Nikki Liley make a shocking.
6:57 Speaker 05 I run through the woods and it's one of Nikki's coworkers, Allison.
7:04 Speaker 05 And she's clearly in a state. And she said, "It's her. We found her."
7:15 Speaker 05 I'm pretty sure it was her cameraman that caught the footage of me running out of the woods and hugging my stepmom and crying.
7:24 Speaker 00 Alex, Nikki's daughter, was on the far side of the neighborhood, near the family's home.
7:30 Speaker 09 My grandmother pulled up with her husband and she looked at me and she said, "They found a body." And I remember just completely blocking out, like I hit the pavement, blocked out, like completely on the ground.
7:43 Speaker 00 And when she came to, she took off, towards the woods, towards her mother.
7:49 Speaker 09 It was almost like I was not in my own body, if that makes sense. Like I just probably ran faster than I've ever ran in my entire life. And went up, the police were already there, crime scene already put up by the time I got up there. And I hit the crime scene tape and this clock like caught me mid-air. And I was like, "Let me go. Like, I need to know."
8:11 Speaker 00 This is the story of a family torn apart by jealousy, lies, and the need for control so shocking, it's hard to put into words.
8:25 Speaker 08 Low temper, more affection, attention, and effort into this marriage.
8:32 Speaker 00 A marriage that became defined by one man's sick obsession.
8:38 Speaker 10 That's not what I said and how I said it.
8:41 Speaker 00 Inside the four walls of this family's story, so many people knew something was wrong, but nobody really knew until they heard it for themselves.
8:53 Speaker 11 Welcome to my world. You killed me a long time ago.
9:01 Speaker 00 From Sony Music Entertainment, you're listening to Watching You. I'm Jonathan Hirsch. Episode one, Eyes on You.
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9:40 Speaker 00 Nikki, spelled N-I-Q-U-E, short for Dominique. She's the middle child of three girls. She was hard-nosed, beautiful, with strawberry blonde hair, the butt of the family jokes, but in on every one of them. She was also her younger sister Amy's favorite person in the world.
10:01 Speaker 05 So she had red hair. It was like, not like fire engine red, but it was like strawberry blonde, you know, orangey red hair. And she had that eighties dew where it was like, you know, kind of feathered, little bit, little bit mullet-ish, but you know, with the rollers and the, you know, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, like blue eyeliner. And she used to wear like a members only jacket. There's this one picture she had on like this like lavender sweater with like the puffy sleeves because like all the sleeves back then, either you had shoulder pads or you had to have like the ruched puffy sleeves. I thought she was the coolest person
10:45 Speaker 05 on the planet. All the 80s stuff that I love is all because of Nikki. Peter Gabriel and Def Leppard.
10:58 Speaker 00 Maybe it was because she was the middle child, but Nikki's life always seemed to be under the microscope of the family. Nikki got a scholarship to Vanderbilt. She was no slouch, but her mother and grandmother thought less of her when she gave up the scholarship to marry John, her high school boyfriend. He had a Pontiac Firebird at the age of 18.
11:22 Speaker 00 John and Nikki were madly in love. Young love, almost too young. Nikki found herself in her early 20s divorced.
11:33 Speaker 05 I just grew up hearing about how Nikki didn't have the sense, quote unquote, "God gave a mule."
11:39 Speaker 00 Then Nikki met Mike. He was much older, 15 years older. Amy remembered meeting him for the first time. She was a teenager and her big sister was still the coolest person she knew.
11:52 Speaker 05 He was working as like a maintenance man at an apartment complex and his name was Mike. Apparently, they were dating. I can remember her asking me, "Do you think he's too old for me?" In my head, I was like, "Oh, yeah, but I don't want to say that." It's like, that sounds mean. If there was ever anybody whose approval I wanted, it was hers. I always wanted Nikki's approval. I valued her opinion, I think, over most everybody else's. But at the same time, I didn't want my family saying the things about me that they had said about Nikki.
12:32 Speaker 00 Nikki's relationship history matters because you have to understand where her head was at, what kind of pressures she felt from her family, and how those pressures could lead her to make decisions she would later regret.
12:47 Speaker 05 She and I actually had a running joke that she made mistakes so that I didn't have to.
12:59 Speaker 00 Nikki and her older man move in together. They had a property on the outskirts of Athens, a little town called Bogart. Rural, they had room for the dogs to run around. Nikki was getting a master's degree to become a teacher. They got married, and that's when they had their daughter Alex. That relationship was also short-lived. When Alex was just a few years old, they decided to get a divorce. By now, Amy is going to the University of Georgia in Athens, the closest big town.
13:30 Speaker 05 So here's Nikki and Alex, and I'm told she and Mike are getting a divorce. And she's staying at my grandmother's house. And it just so happened, like, oh, okay, you need a place to live. I also need a place to live. Let's find a place together.
13:52 Speaker 00 It was perhaps the most significant moment the two of them shared together as young adults. Amy, just starting out in life, and Nikki, starting over with little Alex in tow. And it felt in a way that the story of Nikki as the sister with poor judgment might have been coming true. She felt judged for living like, even though they were lifetimes apart from one another. He worked a blue collar job, and she was college educated, trying to make it as a professional. This history weighed heavy on Nikki as she entered into this new phase in her life. She wanted to make the right choices, because now she had a child to care for, too. Amy and Nikki's reunion was a new moment for them both.
14:37 Speaker 05 We found a little duplex that was on the east side of Athens. It was in a nice, quiet neighborhood. Wasn't super expensive or anything, but it was, it was clean. So we moved in together, and Alex was, I think, like, three or four at that time. We had so much fun putting that place together. That was like one of the best times I can remember having with her. You know, I mean, it was just, it was just this little bitty place. It was like a three bedroom, little duplex. When we first moved in, it was, it was winter. So it was like January. We had nothing. We had, I had, I had a TV, but we had no furniture.
15:19 Speaker 05 And I was working at a Longhorn Steakhouse, waiting tables. And she was working as a teacher. She said, I'm gonna go to the liquor store. You go to the grocery store and get the hot chocolate and the marshmallows. We had those old folding lawn chairs they used to have. There were like those cheapy aluminum things, plaid straps. So we had two of those. My TV was sitting on a card table. So we sat on these crappy lawn chairs and were like, you know, bundled up underneath blankets, drinking hot chocolate and peppermint schnapps and watching ER.
15:55 Speaker 00 Two sisters, there for each other yet again, conquering the world, ready for a brighter future.
16:18 Speaker 00 It's 1996. ER is on TV and Seinfeld and Friends. Bill Clinton is elected to a second term. And all across America, people are getting these circular packages in the mail with a CD enclosed that you could place in your personal computer and sign up for this new service called AOL.
16:39 Speaker 05 So this was right at the, really the birth of what we think of as the internet. So there was AOL. Everybody had like the discs and the, you know, you can all, every, I say AOL and everybody can hear it in their mind that, you've got mail. You can hear all of that.
16:58 Speaker 00 And Nikki was into it. She signed up and started using the internet to connect with people from all over the world.
17:04 Speaker 05 She was on AOL a lot. There were chat rooms. She was spending a bunch of time in a couple of particular chat rooms.
17:14 Speaker 00 She was also single, raising Alex, living with her sister, putting herself through grad school. It was a welcome diversion.
17:22 Speaker 05 So then along comes this guy calling himself LJ1NOnly, like one N only. The LJ apparently was ostensibly supposed to stand for LoJack because he was this guy, he was living in Connecticut at the time. And he talked about the fact that he had worked for LoJack, the vehicle, stolen vehicle recovery system. LJ1NOnly. And she calls herself Unique One2You.
17:59 Speaker 00 Of all the people Unique One2You met in the chatrooms, LJ1NOnly caught her attention. She'd stay up for hours chatting with him about everything. His real name was Matt, and he was going through a transition too.
18:15 Speaker 05 She starts telling me that she made this friend in a chatroom, and he was between jobs. And would it be okay with me if we gave him a place to crash for a little bit while, you know, until he got back on his feet? Was the way she framed it to me.
18:35 Speaker 00 Nikki didn't even know who he really was.
18:38 Speaker 05 That's what the internet affords you, is you can, you can pretend to be anything you want.
18:44 Speaker 00 And Nikki liked this guy. She went up to Connecticut to meet him. He was an acquired taste. Matt could be abrasive, loud. He'd suck up the air in the room.
18:59 Speaker 05 I think she did genuinely find a lot of, a lot of his humor funny. He had a very large, brash New York personality. He was always laughing about something.
19:15 Speaker 00 And like we were saying earlier, Nikki wanted for this new relationship to last. That kind of hopefulness can cause a person to gloss over red flags, miss warning signs. Here's an example. Amy said that the first time Matt and Nikki met, he jokingly refused to speak to her until she barked like a dog. She passed it off as a joke at the time, but it stayed with Amy. She didn't see a jocular flirtation. She saw this as a test. When he first came down to Athens, Amy was under the impression this guy just needed a place to crash. He'd maybe be around for a bit, but then head on his way.
19:57 Speaker 05 And that was very much not what happened.
20:00 Speaker 00 Matt picked on Amy like she was his little sister from the get go. After he moved all of his stuff into the apartment, at one point, he shoved Amy into an empty box.
20:11 Speaker 05 I am claustrophobic. Let me out of this box. And he like looked over at Nikki and was like, is she really? And Nikki's like, yeah. And so then he let me out.
20:21 Speaker 00 Amy was bothered by Matt, but Nikki shrugged it off. She kind of liked his sarcastic vibe. He was a dick, but he was funny. More importantly, she'd been doubted about her relationships for years.
20:36 Speaker 05 She was protective of him because I think she was like, this was the choice she was making and she was protecting that choice.
20:45 Speaker 00 Amy felt like Matt was taking over this new life they had together. And she saw a different person when Nikki wasn't around.
20:56 Speaker 05 Well, at the time, we all smoked, including me. At one point, I, I had run out of cigarettes. And so I asked him, can I bum a cigarette? He said, notably when she was in the room, oh yeah, you don't even need to ask. From then on, if I ran out of cigarettes, I'd just go get another pack from the carton. Dude said, you don't need to ask. Well, then, months later, when I'm challenging him, she's stealing my cigarettes. It was, I'm stealing the cigarettes. But that was like my first hint that he was really super manipulative.
21:32 Speaker 00 It might not seem like that big of a deal. And in a way, it wasn't. Who cares whether Matt actually wanted to share his cigarettes? But what Amy noticed in that situation was someone who changed his story whenever it served his purpose. And so he went from generous roommate to accusing Amy of stealing.
21:55 Speaker 00 The sense I have from this story and stories like it about Matt was that at first, he just seemed annoying, a little bit too much, put on, whatever you want to call it. But he knew how to drive a wedge between people.
22:11 Speaker 05 He was this person that was standing in front of me and frankly, standing between me and my sister.
22:20 Speaker 00 Matt stayed with Amy and Nikki and her daughter for six months. During that time, he was mostly at the house. And while he claimed to be looking for a job, Amy says she never really saw him working. Then Nikki got an offer she couldn't refuse, a new job opportunity to work in the accounting and finance team for a big company in Oklahoma. The money was really good, and it was a step up for her career-wise.
22:47 Speaker 05 At one point, I remember having an argument with her, and I remember thinking, "Oh, dear God, please don't take this guy with you."
22:58 Speaker 00 But she would take him with her.
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23:59 Speaker 00 Alex was around five when the family picked up and left Athens. Nikki had started to gain more opportunities, working in finance and accounting for large companies. It was well-paying work with plenty of room to grow. When they arrived at their new home in Edmund, there was a surprising delivery at the door.
24:17 Speaker 09 One of my favorite memories, we moved to Oklahoma. This truck drives by and dumps a puppy off the truck. And the puppy came just running into the garage into my lap. And I just was like, "Mom, please let me keep it, please let me keep it." And she's looking at me like, "We can't take a dog. We just moved to Oklahoma or like, starting this whole new life." And I was like, "Nope, its name is Molly and it's mine." And she just was like, "All right, we're gonna figure this out." Just looked at me like, "You need this, we're gonna figure this out." And we did, we kept her.
24:48 Speaker 00 Alex is now in her 30s. Some say she takes after her dad. Long, dark hair, the same nose and brow line, not as fair as her mother. They were always incredibly close.
25:00 Speaker 09 She was the person that always knew how to say it, when to say it. And sometimes I'd get mad that I just didn't pass it on. Spunky, very spunky. She was probably 90 pounds soaking wet, you know, red hair. Her body was covered in freckles, like, just covered in freckles. She was really witty, really smart. You know, she always had a response for anything.
25:26 Speaker 00 She was the kind of person you'd feel comfortable telling anything to.
25:30 Speaker 09 Like even when we're talking about life problems, I'm like, "What would Mom say? I can't find it, I can't find it." Like, where is that Nikki response? That's the first person I told that I lost my virginity at 16. I went straight to my mom. I didn't go to my best friend, I went straight to my mom. And then she took me to a random bathroom and made me take a pregnancy test. I didn't feel fear of like, her punishing me for it or giving me some lecture. She showed genuine interest of like, my safety and my emotional safety with having sex for the first time. Like, that was the person you could tell that stuff to.
26:06 Speaker 00 By the time the family had moved to Oklahoma, Matt wasn't a stranger anymore. He was kind of her stepdad.
26:17 Speaker 00 Alex had already been through a lot when they got to Oklahoma, and Nikki knew that. She was clearly trying to move her young family in the direction of stability, but had to tussle with some key complications.
26:29 Speaker 09 There was a few times where she did leave me alone with him. He's very bully-ish. He would think it was funny to sit on me, and I was four years old. Now, Matt is a 6'4", 250 maybe. I mean, I don't know, he's pretty big, big guy. And I'm a four-year-old, so, you know, 35, 40-pound four-year-old. He would think it was funny to sit on me, to the point where I felt like I was suffocating, and he thought it was funny.
26:55 Speaker 00 It was confusing. What was with this guy?
27:01 Speaker 00 Alex was wary of him, and Nikki was trying to keep the peace, to hold a new relationship together with a blended family, and with a partner who kept encroaching on the boundaries, the people around him, her people. Alex now divided her time between Nikki and her dad, who was back in Athens, a 14-hour drive away.
27:22 Speaker 09 So, not great memories. I really don't have any positives of Oklahoma. I've kind of just buried them all away.
27:31 Speaker 00 Still, on some level, there was a childish antagonism to Matt's pranks. He could pass them off as harmless. Nikki was gone frequently for work, so couldn't speak to what she'd never seen happen. Alex's grandparents were concerned, too, but it was hard to nail down what to do about it. Is he just obnoxious?
27:52 Speaker 09 I would say our grandparents kind of had that foggy view of him, of like, trying to figure out, is he dangerous, not dangerous? Like, he's just annoying? But they also were trying to respect, like, okay, this is the man our daughter chose.
28:06 Speaker 00 We reached out to Matt Liley to get his comment, but never heard back. Nikki and Matt started fighting now as well, a lot.
28:17 Speaker 13 How do I feel? I feel that it's either Alex or me.
28:23 Speaker 08 Alex is not a problem.
28:27 Speaker 09 I know they fought about me. And so if my mom even remotely had to communicate with my dad, it was a problem. I mean, a big problem. Fights would ensue, and it got to a point where my parents couldn't communicate other than through me.
28:44 Speaker 00 It seemed that one of the key sticking points for Matt was that he didn't feel like Alex respected him, that perhaps she never would, seeing as he wasn't her biological dad. Matt wanted kids of his own with Nikki. So if he wasn't working, and he didn't really seem to be spending quality time with Alex, what was Matt doing?
29:17 Speaker 13 This is your recorder. It's on right now. I'm gonna make the first file.
29:22 Speaker 00 From the time Nikki first met Matt, he'd expressed an interest in security and security systems. Remember his AOL screen handle? LoJack1andonly?
29:34 Speaker 13 There's eight hours of recording. Obviously, you want to keep it to a minimum so you don't have too much to go through. All you do is, it's a spring-loaded switch that turns it on.
29:44 Speaker 00 Well, that idea of being a sort of security professional continued to evolve in the years since he and Nikki met. Matt wanted to start his own private security technology business, where he would outfit customers and companies with security surveillance systems.
30:00 Speaker 13 As soon as it turns on, wait for the main screen to come up. Record, you're recording. If you hit record again while it's recording, it pauses. If you hit stop, it stops that recording and then goes to the next file.
30:13 Speaker 00 Without this equipment, he had nothing. And to outfit it for customers, he needed to use it. It's the reason so much of their lives was caught on tape, recordings that eventually we gained access to by the Gwinnett County Police Department. And that's how he and Nikki began to purchase large amounts of surveillance equipment. Which meant that, over time, the Liley house became stuffed with state-of-the-art cameras and recording gear. And while Matt was fiddling with his new security apparatus, Nikki was moving up in her career. She'd gotten an opportunity to take a bigger role at a company based out of a small town in Mississippi. So once again, the family found themselves on the move.
30:57 Speaker 00 Except this time, with one key difference. Nikki was pregnant with Matt's baby.
31:09 Speaker 00 In the summer of 2011, Nikki had gone missing. The local news had caught a member of the party running out of the woods screaming. The cops arrived and immediately made their way over to Nikki and Matt's house. What they saw took them by surprise. Something they'd never, ever seen in a family home. It was a kind of control room. Inside were monitors, one of them a tic-tac-toe board of multiple video feeds covering both the inside and outside of the house. The room itself was stuffed with networking equipment, power supplies, and servers. That power bill alone must be crazy.
31:52 Speaker 00 This wasn't just a hobbyist's camera setup. This looked like a war room. Investigators didn't have any idea what to make of it. But they still had one question on their minds. What happened to Nikki? What they found that day wouldn't answer that question. But it would open a shocking and eerie portal into the private lives of the Liley family.
32:23 Speaker 14 I don't think that it's a fair thing if I'm spending parental time on all three children.
32:32 Speaker 00 Where just as adults are arguing, the kids pop in to say goodnight.
32:37 Speaker 14 Goodnight.
32:39 Speaker 00 Where Matt seems to be in a perpetual struggle for control.
32:44 Speaker 13 We have a responsibility for a productive conversation.
32:48 Speaker 00 And Nikki is desperately trying to hold her family together, unaware of the danger that placed her in.
32:55 Speaker 08 I am happy. Let me share that happiness with you.
32:59 Speaker 00 But the center of the Liley family would not hold.
33:03 Speaker 08 What the fuck, Matt? You can't trust me? I'm supposed to live where my life right around Warner, where it reporter is. What's now to be arranged? Well, fuck that all herself.
33:14 Speaker 00 And the gradual dissolution of a marriage that when it did fall apart, would take everyone down with it.
33:22 Speaker 14 Do I have regrets? Yes, lots of them. Am I sad that I can't talk to my husband about the fact that I'm sad? Yes.
33:30 Speaker 00 A real-life Truman Show, and recordings, footage that would reveal a twisted knot of insecurities, ego, and obsession.
33:42 Speaker 13 Incidentally, you forget to say you love me.
33:44 Speaker 14 It's because you make me feel guilty.
33:48 Speaker 14 I told you why. Every minute I spend doing something I want to do or chose to do, if it wasn't with you or for you, I am forced and made to feel guilty for it. It's pointed out to me in logs, it's pointed out to me in phone covers, in phone records, it's pointed out to me on recorders.
34:09 Speaker 00 And one family's desperate attempt to escape this dark bubble.
34:16 Speaker 08 So, hold your hands where a real life person should have been paired to the fucking wall.
34:25 Speaker 00 Next time on Watching You. Matt wants his stepdaughter Alex out of their lives, and she has a realization.
34:32 Speaker 09 This man is dangerous.
34:35 Speaker 00 So Alex made herself a promise.
34:38 Speaker 09 I had to grow up real fast. I had to go, crap, I have to protect my mom.
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