The Halloween Movie Draft

Live from the Toni Rembe theater in San Francisco, it’s the Halloween Movie Draft! Sean and Amanda are joined by friends of the pod Chris Ryan and Alex Ross Perry to select their favorite spooky genre movies of all time. (0:00) What makes a Halloween movie? (21:12) The draft categories and order (25:21) The Halloween Movie Draft (1:51:28) Honorable mentions and draft recap Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guests: Chris Ryan and Alex Ross Perry Producers: Jack Sanders, Elizabeth Fierman, Helen Eichner, and Charlie Finan Production Support: Lucas Cavanagh and Ben Cruz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:17Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Sean Fennessey.

• 2:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm Amanda Dobbins.

• 2:19Sean Fennessey?

  And this is the Big Picture Right Conversation Show about Halloween, live from San Francisco.

• 2:32Sean Fennessey?

  We are coming to you from the Tony Remby Theater here in San Francisco. We're joined, of course, by CR, Chris Ryan.

• 2:43Sean Fennessey?

  Which must mean that we are drafting, and we are also joined by a special guest filmmaker and semi-frequent Big Picture guest, Alex Ross Perry. Thank you, Alex.

• 2:52Speaker 05

  Semi. Thank you.

• 2:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, I used to be frequent.

• 2:58Sean Fennessey?

  You're what I call our October guy.

• 3:00Speaker 05

  Hmm, yeah.

• 3:02Sean Fennessey?

  Every October, I need to check in with you and see how you're doing. Now, I do text with you every single day of my life.

• 3:07Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 3:08Sean Fennessey?

  So this is not... This will be like what my life is like for everybody here tonight. Are you excited?

• 3:12Speaker 05

  But with Amanda, who you also, who you see in person every day.

• 3:15Sean Fennessey?

  That's true. That's true. Are you excited to be podding with Alex?

• 3:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I am, because I also text with Alex on a regular basis, but never on the same chain as the one with you. Yeah, they're sort of...

• 3:25Speaker 05

  Why aren't you on that chain?

• 3:27Amanda Dobbins?

  I, you know what? I've called it out many times. All of those men have my phone numbers. They're afraid.

• 3:32Speaker 05

  97 text messages about borderline pornography made in 1972 that has only now become available on 4K.

• 3:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I really don't, but I do also then experience a recap of it individually from each of you on your own time, so maybe it would just...

• 3:50Speaker 05

  It's my favorite current particip- like, thing that I do is just read and participate in this thread. But every morning, I wake up thinking David Bowie has died again because there are so many unread texts. And I'm like, holy shit, what happened? And then the answer is like, oh, Tracy Lutz is ranking the Friday the 13th movies as he's finishing them. Amanda, I keep you abreast of some of the finest Sean dunking, which is usually... Did I, did I send you the poster I made for Amityville Fantasy Origins? No, okay, I need to do that.

• 4:22Sean Fennessey?

  I grew up not far from the Amityville Horror House, and Alex, of course, made it clear that...

• 4:27Speaker 05

  I overlaid the iconic house with an image of Sean that I use for memes.

• 4:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Alex, Alex, maybe you could workshop a Sean meme reel in real time based on what Sean is currently wearing. Would you like to describe it for the people who have hit audio only?

• 4:40Sean Fennessey?

  Sure. I'm wearing a single-piece skeleton outfit. It's clutching my crotch right now.

• 4:48Amanda Dobbins?

  One size too small? You shared with us in the green room about five minutes.

• 4:51Sean Fennessey?

  Skeleton, and I chose to be an L skeleton, and that was a mistake. And I'm wearing a hooded sweatshirt, and I'm dressed as Donnie Darko.

• 4:56Speaker 05

  Yeah. And as we passed each other in the hallway before we came out on stage, I was like, is that hard to pee in? And he said, yes.

• 5:06Sean Fennessey?

  So I'm drinking my drink very, very slowly.

• 5:08Speaker 05

  And when I saw Amanda's outfit earlier, I was just really struck by the class and dignity of how well she's dressed. And I love, I love the look. Because to me, tonight is a very fun and special, not even a full-circle moment, a sequel, you might call it, in horror language. Because we did, all of us, a horror draft almost exactly four years ago. Three of us in person and Chris remotely. So now it's horror draft two, Rise of Dobbins.

• 5:39Speaker 05

  Because if someone like...

• 5:40Sean Fennessey?

  Dobbins goes to hell.

• 5:43Speaker 05

  You may remember, if you've listened to this and Amanda lived through it, that draft was defined by Amanda saying, I'm not participating. I don't watch horror. I've never seen any of these movies. I did no prep. I'm just here for shits and giggles. It's a lovely fall day in New York, and I'm away from my son for the first time. I'm living it up. And now here we are, four years later, and you have, I would say, when Sean sent out the list, some contenders that we should all look at, I watched a few movies. Chris, you might have watched a few movies. Amanda, you've been, you've been mainlining these films with the intensity of like a jolt caf- a jolt caffeine soda guzzling teenager in 1996.

• 6:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen. I do my homework. As, as those of you who listen to the podcast know, I did have more homework for this episode. And Chris asked me today at lunch whether this had awoken a new Halloween spirit in me and whether the season would extend past, literally, right this second.

• 6:44Speaker 05

  Eight more days till Halloween.

• 6:45Amanda Dobbins?

  And the answer is no. This is, this is, it's, we've, we've hit it. It's no more days till Halloween. But it has been educational, and I feel like I've learned something about each of you from this experience, and a little about myself as well. And certainly, I understand more of your jokes, but I, I think maybe it means that I don't need to be added to all of your text chains. You know, I've, I've gotten the recap.

• 7:10Sean Fennessey?

  You've got a deal. One, that is the only draft in the history of this show that you did not participate in.

• 7:17Amanda Dobbins?

  And I was there. It's very fun, it's very sweet that you remember that. I just had no memory of it until you were like, remember when you sat in a studio with us and listened to us? And I do remember...

• 7:27Speaker 05

  Well, it was the first time we'd met.

• 7:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, and I learned a lot about your Halloween decorations.

• 7:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, and it was just, it was just a fun and exciting thing. And I revisited it because I wanted to remember some of your preferences and Chris's, and you've made some categories that mean there won't really be much overlap. But to me, like, the last couple of years are defined by two parallel tracks now that sort of reach terminus. Amanda's embrace of the horror genre, which at that time, you really had no familiarity with contemporary horror. I feel like would maybe even not participate in those episodes.

• 7:57Sean Fennessey?

  Mean joke incoming.

• 8:01Speaker 05

  And Sean's full-blown...

• 8:02Sean Fennessey?

  I've been on the other end of this setup many times.

• 8:03Speaker 05

  Sean's full-blown embrace of, of megalomania and the promotion of his own brand as he becomes a transmedia mogul.

• 8:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, as I'm frequently described by you in that text chain.

• 8:16Speaker 05

  Do you know that joke structure? Where you say something sincere to one person and then make a joke to the next person?

• 8:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I may have borrowed it a few times. So this is actually not technically a horror movie draft. So if there's any of you out here who are like, oh, man, I hate horror movies, I don't want to do a horror movie draft. This is a Halloween movie draft.

• 8:37Sean Fennessey?

  And that is very different, sort of,

• 8:41Sean Fennessey?

  based on the categories. I, I just, Chris, when I say Halloween movie to you, what does that make you think about?

• 8:48Speaker 05

  Pure terror. I mean, like, I, but I'm an originalist, you know? Like, they, they say that about me. Is that like, I like to go on...

• 8:55Sean Fennessey?

  Antonin Scalia says that.

• 9:00Speaker 05

  I love to get terrified during, during October. I mean, that's one, one else but then. And so it's not really a time for me to like, branch out and try different stuff. Like, I like to go to my core guys, the big four. You know, Mike, Jason, Fred, you know, and, and Lev. And we, we commune, we talk, we, we watch the sequels. But it's not a time to be like, isn't, isn't this, you know, Rossellini movie kind of also a Halloween movie? It's not. They're not.

• 9:31Sean Fennessey?

  Amanda, what about you? What do you, since you have not been a horror person your entire life, around Halloween time, do you just sit around watching costume dramas? Like, what do you do?

• 9:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I live my life unless one of you is around. Let's, should we tell the story of the time that you guys took me on the haunted hayride?

• 9:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, let's do that.

• 9:48Amanda Dobbins?

  So I assume that there is a similar tradition here in San Francisco, but in Los Angeles, there is, in Griffith Park, a haunted hayride, and many of the underemployed actors of the Los Angeles area and production designers and costume designers, listen, they go all out. Certainly, a lot of spooky lighting are recruited to create, you know, a haunted extravaganza outside rather than in a house because it's Los Angeles and you can be outside year-round. So our first year in Los Angeles, my husband and I had just moved. And my husband is not a scary movie person either, or really a Halloween person, which is, you know, there are scary movies in there, and then there is the costumes

• 10:31Amanda Dobbins?

  and the, the, the fanfare of it all. And I guess we're killjoys on both fronts. But we love Sean and Chris despite how I behave on every podcast. And so they invited us to go on that haunted Halloween ride. And they were like, here's, and, and I, the one thing about me...

• 10:49Sean Fennessey?

  You make it sound like Chris and I like, live in a small cabin together. And all we do is wait until we can go on the hay...

• 10:57Sean Fennessey?

  Look, our wives were there, Amanda.

• 10:59Amanda Dobbins?

  It was a hot trip. That's true. And so one thing about me that is true is that I startle very easily, and I do not like audience participation. And so they prepped it for me. And Chris said, Amanda, it's gonna be okay. What we're gonna do is, is we're gonna put you in the center of like, the hay truck.

• 11:16Speaker 05

  The wagon.

• 11:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess, the wagon. Thank you. And...

• 11:19Speaker 05

  Also, just so you know, like, it's not...

• 11:21Sean Fennessey?

  participation like a comedian doing crowd work. It is a guy running at you with a chainsaw. So it

• 11:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 11:29Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. So anyone would startle. Don't don't downplay it.

• 11:32Amanda Dobbins?

  But so you you said, what we're gonna do is we'll put you right in the center of the wagon. And so they can't get to you and they can't get in your face and you'll be totally fine. And you'll just ride the wagon like no big deal. And so I'm like, OK, we make it onto the wagon. There are too many people roaming around. It's very uncomfortable. We get on the wagon. People are leaning over the wagon, kind of like you guys on the balcony. But no one can get to me. Everything's fine. And then the wagon comes to a start stop. And I hear Chris go, oh, no. And apparently, this was the year that they had innovated at the hayride. And you had to get off and walk through.

• 12:07Sean Fennessey?

  They got the fucking lab.

• 12:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Bless this man who walked three, like one foot ahead of me. And just in a like low voice was just like, OK, so we got a chainsaw coming up on your left. We got a chainsaw. Okay, then there's a man in a freaky mask here. And he guided me through the whole hayride and we made it out.

• 12:27Amanda Dobbins?

  So I guess Halloween is ultimately about love. And me doing things reluctantly.

• 12:31Speaker 05

  What did Sean do when you got off?

• 12:33Sean Fennessey?

  You know what I did?

• 12:34Speaker 05

  Sean's not in the second.

• 12:35Sean Fennessey?

  I jumped right out of that truck and I was like, let's fucking go.

• 12:39Speaker 05

  Cause he could also say he just ran off in a panic, like that character that always flees first. And then you find their body.

• 12:44Sean Fennessey?

  No, I hugged all the guys with chainsaws. I was like, thanks for all your work. I love your.

• 12:49Amanda Dobbins?

  And 10 years later, here I am.

• 12:51Sean Fennessey?

  You're in it now. What about for you, Alex? You are a true Halloween guy. You might be the Halloween guy in my life. So Halloween movie, what?

• 12:58Speaker 05

  I don't know if that's true, but I don't know who else is in your life.

• 13:02Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, I think you told us of two individual horror movie marathons that you're participating in this month.

• 13:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm on the same day. I'm doing back to back marathons.

• 13:11Sean Fennessey?

  OK.

• 13:11Speaker 05

  I'm a marathoner in my free time.

• 13:13Sean Fennessey?

  Fair to say you're the guy then.

• 13:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Marathon.

• 13:15Speaker 05

  I mean, it doesn't, you don't have to define what kind of marathon you're doing. When I've talked to a dad at at school who said, you know, he's said he was running the New York Marathon. I was like, I have three marathons this one. I don't know if you can top that. I'll be taking no further questions.

• 13:31Speaker 05

  You know, the Halloween movie thing that you've challenged us with is interesting because it's it's a lot like, like a Christmas movie, obviously. A movie that's set on Halloween or one of the Halloween films. Can you watch it on October 1? Most people wouldn't. You maybe hold off. And we're the same. We so Halloween in our house is kind of like a six to seven week event. My daughter put up most of our decorations this year before Labor Day.

• 14:00Speaker 05

  August 29, we were putting some stuff out on the lawn. I said, no pumpkins or skeletons yet. I allowed those like on like September 20.

• 14:08Sean Fennessey?

  That's good parenting.

• 14:09Speaker 05

  I gave in on that.

• 14:10Amanda Dobbins?

  The Equinox?

• 14:11Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

• 14:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 14:14Speaker 05

  That was when I allowed like, up until then, it was like black cats and like, you know, simple things.

• 14:20Sean Fennessey?

  You're talking right now like you're really normal.

• 14:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, completely. Very chill and normal.

• 14:27Speaker 05

  If if making your daughter have a magical day is abnormal, then I don't want to be normal, Sean. If you'd like to deny poor Alice, eight and a half weeks of Halloween decorations, that's your prerogative.

• 14:39Amanda Dobbins?

  It is true that Alex spent like 10 minutes today just grilling me on like, so what fun kid things do you do?

• 14:46Speaker 05

  You know, kids often set the they set the tempo. And if Astrid wanted to decorate for Halloween before Labor Day, who am I to say no? So we love it. And I do like watching horror movies basically daily from, you know, roughly September 15 to November 10 or so. The first to the 10th being, you know, the observed period of horror hangover where the movies get a little gentler.

• 15:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Dia de los Muertos.

• 15:08Speaker 05

  But the question was like the Halloween films, and we curate this, you know, Anna, my wife and I. Is there some stuff you kind of need to save for like now, 21 to 31? And often that is the often that is most of the films we have. So over the prep for this, watching like this film is set on Halloween, but watching it like October 2 or 3. It's been a real trip.

• 15:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Oh, OK. I was curious, Alex famously has a very robust movie calendar with seasons. I know war season approaches in February, correct?

• 15:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, Dead of Winter.

• 15:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Is there a in between Halloween and war program? Is there Christmas season?

• 15:50Sean Fennessey?

  I love how normal Alex makes me seem. It's so exciting for me.

• 15:55Speaker 05

  Hey, wait, is that why I'm always invited around to push Sean more towards the center?

• 16:00Amanda Dobbins?

  At some point, Chris and I are just gonna leave.

• 16:04Speaker 05

  Yeah. So Christmas movies are a part of it, but you know, there's not that many of them. Like certainly not ones that are like.

• 16:10Sean Fennessey?

  There's Silent Night, Deadly Night.

• 16:11Speaker 05

  Yeah. Christmas Eve. And that's kind of it, as far as I know. No, I mean, like a really great ones that you want to watch every year. And also like, that's the thing where Anna is the same with what I'm saying with Halloween movies. Like, she's not ready to watch like a this is a Christmas Eve movie until it's like, school's out. It's Christmas now. She doesn't want to watch that on like December 10. And neither do I, quite frankly.

• 16:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 16:32Speaker 05

  So that season's very small, but of course, we get a few in there. It's screener season. That's when I have to catch up on all the movies from the year. And then go back and listen to big picture episodes from May about the movies that I've only now seen.

• 16:43Sean Fennessey?

  Nasty notes about our opinions about those movies.

• 16:45Speaker 05

  Yeah. So a lot of movies that everyone, you know, is like, I can't wait for you to weigh in on this. I'm like, keep waiting.

• 16:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 16:50Speaker 05

  Wait for it to hit the screener.

• 16:51Sean Fennessey?

  We'll hear about Fjord on March 11.

• 16:53Speaker 05

  I'll watch it in December. Yeah, screener season's in there.

• 16:56Sean Fennessey?

  OK.

• 16:57Speaker 05

  That's a fun season.

• 16:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Between war season and Halloween season?

• 17:00Sean Fennessey?

  Screener season and Christmas season.

• 17:02Amanda Dobbins?

  What? No, I thought war was in February.

• 17:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. So when, you know, in like mid November onward.

• 17:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 17:08Speaker 05

  We'll start watching like the screeners.

• 17:09Amanda Dobbins?

  And then it's war season just February to September?

• 17:12Speaker 05

  No, like February to April. When it starts like thawing out, we stop watching.

• 17:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Just OK.

• 17:19Sean Fennessey?

  He times it to the part in Band of Brothers where they're coming out of the cold forest. So that it mirrors the seasons of World War II.

• 17:29Speaker 05

  We, you know.

• 17:30Sean Fennessey?

  This is going exactly as I planned.

• 17:31Speaker 05

  It's nice to have a calendar that you stick to.

• 17:34Amanda Dobbins?

  OK.

• 17:34Speaker 05

  You have to like, you have to orient around something. We can't all curate our lives around our wildly popular podcast, Sean. Some of us have to watch movies for fun.

• 17:43Amanda Dobbins?

  So I did want to ask one more question before we get or we approach the draft. You've watched all these horror movies for Halloween. Yes. Without delving too deeply into it, was there one that actually scared you?

• 18:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm. Well, there there are movies that I'm going to draft that did scare me. OK. But I think I have learned a little bit earlier in the, you know, horror catch up experience that I've been on, what scares me and what does not scare me. And that was freeing and empowering and away. And also then kind of annoying because I realized, oh, it's not that I'm scared of gross stuff. I'm just kind of bored by it and I don't want to be watching it. Right. So that takes entire genres, maybe not off the board, but gives me a different way to experience them. But yeah, there's plenty of of scary stuff.

• 18:41Amanda Dobbins?

  And it was very interesting intellectually to think about the concept of, oh, what is scary? I also, you know, you know, my sons, but they're also learning the concept of scary. Yeah. In different ways. And so what's scary to me? What's scary to them? I called home tonight and found out that Pee Wee Herman is very scary to a two year old. Scary mama, scary. So, you know, that that has been an interesting thought exercise. And it is. It is nice to like catch up on all the references.

• 19:10Sean Fennessey?

  Do you guys still get scared of movies?

• 19:12Speaker 05

  Sometimes. Sometimes. Yeah, it's very circum. It's very depends on the circumstances and what kind of a movie. Like I was telling you this over to you and you over text. Amanda, you'll appreciate this as a parent. We're on and I were watching the Poughkeepsie tapes, which is like a sort of psychotic depraved serial killer found footage movie.

• 19:32Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good film.

• 19:33Speaker 05

  Very affecting because it's just very realistic. In the middle of the movie, my daughter heard her shuffling around upstairs. This is no good. Go upstairs seemingly while asleep. She had woken up and poured a glass of water in the hallway. And when I went into her bedroom where the door was open, she was in bed asleep, laughing hysterically.

• 19:53Sean Fennessey?

  That's what you want.

• 19:54Speaker 05

  At that moment, I was very frightened because of the combination of the movie and and and what was happening in my house. Nothing like this recurred. But I feel like sometimes, you know, that's really, I speak for, I think, all of us when I say like, that's what we, what you want. If you watch all these movies.

• 20:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, you want to have a paranormal experience.

• 20:12Speaker 05

  Once or twice, once or twice a season, you want to find something that you're like, that got under my skin a little bit.

• 20:18Sean Fennessey?

  I it's funny, in the theater now, never scared at all in a movie theater. But the two scariest experiences I've had watching movies over the last few years are movies that people have been like, you're such a loser. Those movies aren't scary. But the circumstances under which I watched both of them were exactly the same, which is I was sent a link to films that had not come out yet with no marketing or anything. Dark web.

• 20:41Sean Fennessey?

  By a friend who has access to these things. The first one was Skinamarink. And the second one was Undertone, which came out this year. And both of those movies, I knew nothing about them and I watched them alone in bed with the lights off and AirPods in on a laptop. And they, I was very disturbed at 11:30 PM.

• 20:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Also disturbed by that description.

• 21:03Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I mean, I'm sure many people fantasize about me in that position, but I was very scared that night. But I can't remember going to like Halloween Kills and being afraid of anything that might happen. But that's as you get older. And I think the other thing is like, you see, if you've seen hundreds and hundreds of horror movies, as you're starting to realize, their effects start to wear down on you. But then it kind of evolves into something that becomes, I think, just more.

• 21:27Amanda Dobbins?

  That's why you keep chasing that first line, man.

• 21:30Sean Fennessey?

  You do.

• 21:30Amanda Dobbins?

  You just keep going back because you never know.

• 21:33Sean Fennessey?

  You never know. You never know.

• 21:35Speaker 05

  And Sean, you're you're bringing the podcast from Undertone to the Ringer Network, right?

• 21:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah, I'm EPing.

• 21:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Data very efficient production.

• 21:44Sean Fennessey?

  Like the way they made that podcast. Small crew. Yeah. Yeah, small crew. Like doing 10 minutes a night. Yeah. Yeah. Not a lot of people saw Undertones.

• 21:53Amanda Dobbins?

  We should get into it.

• 21:54Sean Fennessey?

  Your undertone humor didn't play.

• 21:56Speaker 05

  Amanda, did you watch any of these in bed with your pods in by yourself?

• 22:00Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I would never do that. That's a terrible way to sleep or live your life. I watched them, you know, normally on the, in the room where we put all the stuff that we don't have a place where that you and I were discussing earlier. But before we draft, I know the lights are down, but how many people here are true horror heads or feel real passionate about them? Okay.

• 22:21Speaker 05

  There's really, we should just say there's really few hands up.

• 22:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. You know, maybe like a fifth. How many people thought they were coming to a San Francisco movie draft? Okay. And how many people are like, are terrified of horror movies or so they think? Okay, so it's about, it's an even distribution.

• 22:41Sean Fennessey?

  I moved off of the city-based movie draft because we went to Canada and had a fun Canadian movie draft. And everybody in Canada was like, die. This is not Canada. It does not represent Canada. So I didn't want to offend anybody here.

• 22:56Amanda Dobbins?

  It's fine.

• 22:56Sean Fennessey?

  But instead we've offended their sensibilities. Nevertheless, this is the whole Halloween movie draft.

• 23:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes. How many people here have been trick or treating?

• 23:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, okay.

• 23:10Amanda Dobbins?

  You guys want some candy up top? Like, let's go, it's whatever.

• 23:13Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, so we're gonna, we're gonna introduce the categories and then we'll set the draft order for the four of us. So we have seven categories today. Here are the categories. Halloween franchise movie. This is a movie that has to be in the Halloween franchise.

• 23:28Speaker 05

  Some of which were directed by Rick Rosenthal.

• 23:30Sean Fennessey?

  That's right, two of them in fact. The next category is movies that take place on Halloween. The next one is dress up. Movies with radical makeup and/or costume transformations. Next is Stephen King horror adaptations. Feature films only, no mini series. The next is Halloween movies for kids.

• 23:55Sean Fennessey?

  The sixth category is other holiday horror.

• 23:58Speaker 05

  That was, this was my idea.

• 24:00Sean Fennessey?

  Other horror movies oriented around a holiday. And then the last, of course, is wild card, as it is always.

• 24:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I did think until this weekend that it was just other holiday movies, since this was a Halloween draft. That was a tough break.

• 24:13Speaker 05

  Miracle.

• 24:15Amanda Dobbins?

  It's fine. It's, I definitely deleted that from my list, but that's okay. I'm ready.

• 24:20Speaker 05

  Sean's robust document that apparently only I looked at would have set that straight.

• 24:25Sean Fennessey?

  I did share a document. Chris was not aware of it until two hours ago. It's all right. Do my own research as always.

• 24:34Sean Fennessey?

  And before we get the draft order, any, any thoughts about these categories that you want to share before? This is probably the like, throw it up in the air and see who comes down with a draft I've ever been a part of. Like, I have no idea what the number one movie is.

• 24:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, Iron Man 3.

• 24:51Sean Fennessey?

  What are your thoughts? You were born for this.

• 24:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, there's a lot of excitement here. I would like to avoid overlap with, you know, the draft we did before that Amanda moderated.

• 25:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I have quite literally no idea what you drafted, so.

• 25:04Speaker 05

  I only have a vague one because I, well, refresh my memory. But, um, you know, we went through a lot of work to get these. I was on a great text chain with you. Started off with Sean explaining the categories at length with no one else chiming in. And then became Amanda asking lots of questions and Sean not answering them.

• 25:24Sean Fennessey?

  I feel like it's a good system.

• 25:27Amanda Dobbins?

  All right. Jack, Jack Sanders. Producer extraordinaire, there he is. See, there was some discussion about whether he would come on stage, but I can see you in the wings.

• 25:38Sean Fennessey?

  That discussion was Amanda saying, I want to embarrass you, come on stage.

• 25:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but this is nice. I can see him, he's right there.

• 25:48Amanda Dobbins?

  There it goes.

• 25:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, what do you want, Reese's?

• 25:58Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, good idea.

• 25:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, okay.

• 25:59Sean Fennessey?

  Smart move.

• 26:00Amanda Dobbins?

  There you go, okay.

• 26:00Sean Fennessey?

  All right. I'm right back now, Jack.

• 26:02Amanda Dobbins?

  When he gets back to his microphone, he has pieces of paper that he showed me.

• 26:06Sean Fennessey?

  He showed them to you?

• 26:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, he pointed them out because he knows I like to check the legitimacy of these things.

• 26:11Sean Fennessey?

  Drafting first, providing physical evidence for Amanda Dobbins is Amanda Dobbins.

• 26:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow. Great.

• 26:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I wonder what I'll do. Okay, go ahead.

• 26:22Sean Fennessey?

  Drafting second, Christopher Ryan.

• 26:27Speaker 05

  What was that? One more time? Third, someone's yelling, third chair.

• 26:31Sean Fennessey?

  Third chair?

• 26:34Sean Fennessey?

  We'll see, we'll see. When do you think that'll, when are we gonna find out? Who, when does that end? When does Return of the King come out? We got an election coming up, brother. Drafting third is Alex Ross Perry. Wow. And Sean is fourth.

• 26:50Speaker 05

  Big turn.

• 26:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. All right, I know what I'm gonna do.

• 26:53Sean Fennessey?

  Wait, Chris said before we came out here that he was like, I'm gonna work on how much I talk about the movie that I'm drafting.

• 27:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 27:01Sean Fennessey?

  Do you want to, can you provide context? Or should we all provide additional context about the film? Especially if we have some horror novices here and we wind up drafting some, some deep cuts.

• 27:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I'll do my best. I can do that on the first one.

• 27:14Speaker 05

  I mean, I want, I want Amanda's thoughts on all of this.

• 27:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 27:17Speaker 05

  This is, this is the journey of this show is Amanda's entry into this world.

• 27:21Amanda Dobbins?

  All right, well, there, I'm gonna go in a Stephen King adaptation. And I.

• 27:28Sean Fennessey?

  Intriguing.

• 27:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, there is, there's one that I feel the most passionately about, which is Carrie. Which is.

• 27:36Amanda Dobbins?

  And I didn't want it to stay on the board, so.

• 27:39Sean Fennessey?

  Women in STEM.

• 27:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Women moving beyond STEM.

• 27:45Speaker 05

  Truly.

• 27:45Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 27:46Speaker 05

  If telekinesis is part of STEM.

• 27:48Amanda Dobbins?

  So this is Brian De Palma's adaptation, not that, I believe that there's some mini series, but that's television.

• 27:54Sean Fennessey?

  Don't be derisive, it's just a mini series.

• 27:56Amanda Dobbins?

  So I don't know about it.

• 27:59Sean Fennessey?

  That's television?

• 28:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. How's that going for you guys?

• 28:05Sean Fennessey?

  We'll see, just you guys chill out. When, when Skydance makes like 30 war machines a year, so you come crying back to the White Lotus Resort, you know? Oh, TV's really interesting now. And we won't have you, you'll be shut out.

• 28:21Amanda Dobbins?

  So this is Brian De Palma's adaptation of Stephen King's first novel, correct? And I saw this movie, I guess, fairly late in life, though pretty early, you know, not in the last 12 months for the first one.

• 28:35Sean Fennessey?

  You make it sound like you're dying.

• 28:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 28:39Amanda Dobbins?

  But this is, I think, one of the best high school movies ever made, which is, you know, not hugely in revelation, revelatory thing to say. But it is definitely a male gaze of the female experience in high school, but also I do think. Oh yeah, who could have seen that coming? But also I think understands something very naturally about how cruel girls are to each other and what a nightmare that whole experience can be from all sides. And obviously is just so visually memorable. The prom scene, I don't want to spoil it for anyone, but surely you've seen Sissy Spacek covered in some substance.

• 29:24Amanda Dobbins?

  And it, it's another one where it's just, it's really good and really holds up. It's, you know, technically excellent and that like the, the side by sides and the, the prom scene and everything is very visually memorable. And, you know, not a happy ending.

• 29:46Speaker 05

  Would you, would you say you relate to Carrie?

• 29:49Speaker 05

  Or, or to Sue Snell?

• 29:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I, Carrie more than Sue Snell, you know, but a little bit I see, I see myself in everybody except for the mom. Yeah. That's, that's a tough one.

• 30:03Speaker 05

  That's not your, that's not mom representation you can get behind.

• 30:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you gotta move beyond that.

• 30:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Now that you've picked your king, did you, did you homework any other King movies that you now don't need to?

• 30:13Amanda Dobbins?

  You know what I had never seen? Misery.

• 30:17Speaker 05

  Interesting.

• 30:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, speaking of a gal you'd relate to.

• 30:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 30:24Sean Fennessey?

  Real anti vibes.

• 30:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I went to a fundraiser a few weeks ago for a very deserving organization in Los Angeles, and it was a pig roast. And I had just watched Misery like two days before. And I was like, hey, anybody else want to talk about this pig?

• 30:40Amanda Dobbins?

  But anyway, yeah.

• 30:41Sean Fennessey?

  You went to a pig roast?

• 30:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 30:43Sean Fennessey?

  Tell us more.

• 30:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, it was, it was delicious.

• 30:48Amanda Dobbins?

  And raised money for a good cause. So, but I had, I think I'd seen all of the other major ones. And, you know, this also could be a place where I could go for a less like classical horror type Steve experience, but Carrie speaks to me. So there we go.

• 31:06Speaker 05

  I'd say that's a great first movie on the board.

• 31:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, sorry. I can't be a woman now?

• 31:10Sean Fennessey?

  I was just laughing about the raise money for a good cause part. It's just like, it was just funny.

• 31:17Sean Fennessey?

  Do you relate to Travolta in Carrie?

• 31:20Sean Fennessey?

  I relate to the mom. I think that. Misunderstood. Pressure makes diamonds, you know?

• 31:27Sean Fennessey?

  No, we leave you alone with Alice for six hours and then we see what she can do.

• 31:33Sean Fennessey?

  She can drive your car. Okay, Chris, you're up. I'll take the goat. I'll take Halloween in Halloween franchise.

• 31:44Sean Fennessey?

  Responsible, I think, for 90% of the atmospherics that we associate with cinematic Halloween at this point. The very much copied font of this film, the synth score from John Carpenter and Alan Hoorth. It is largely a hangout movie for the first hour and five minutes, I think. It's very voyeuristic, but it's essentially just babysitter and her friends doing, doing.

• 32:11Sean Fennessey?

  Babysitting and getting into their romantic trysts, you know? Romantic trysts? Romantic trysts. That's what they're doing in this movie. But little do they know, this guy in a mask is watching them. And he's escaped from an insane asylum. He learns to drive. And he comes to Haddonfield, which is actually in Pasadena. And he's, he's got a bone to pick with them. Can we, can we, I brought this up last night when we screened the film at the Balboa. What do you think his issue was with babysitters? Like, what was really at the bottom of that? I think he's just like, he experienced some childhood trauma with them, right? That he inflicted? Yeah, but like, he was part of it, you know?

• 32:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Doesn't he, he feels neglected?

• 32:58Sean Fennessey?

  Could be. You think he just didn't get enough love?

• 33:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, he's on the outside, he's being ignored while his sister is, you know, getting busy instead of, you know, doing jack-o'-lanterns with him on Halloween. Like Laurie Strode.

• 33:11Sean Fennessey?

  In the, in the background of all of this, I'm just explaining to you guys like you guys never saw Halloween, is one of our, our great therapists in film, Dr. Loomis,

• 33:23Sean Fennessey?

  who at once wants to heal Michael, but also gun him down.

• 33:27Speaker 05

  Throughout the franchise, do we ever get a sense if Loomis thinks Michael is good or evil?

• 33:32Sean Fennessey?

  Or that, like, he can fix him?

• 33:33Speaker 05

  I was just very, very vague on this point when you-

• 33:36Sean Fennessey?

  The devil's eyes.

• 33:39Sean Fennessey?

  This is still one of my favorite films, so it's a pleasure to pick it. If you guys have any-

• 33:43Speaker 05

  Well, PJ Soul is batting a thousand so far in the draft.

• 33:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 33:46Speaker 05

  Now, that's gonna end, but right now, this is the PJ Soul-

• 33:49Sean Fennessey?

  Is Rock and Roll High School not available?

• 33:52Speaker 05

  You know, I didn't revisit it. Does that take place on a holiday?

• 33:54Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know. I don't think so.

• 33:55Speaker 05

  Ramones Day?

• 33:56Sean Fennessey?

  School is in session.

• 33:57Speaker 05

  Yeah. Are we moving on?

• 34:01Sean Fennessey?

  Like a tight 20 on Halloween? What's that? Just keep going on Halloween. Another 20 minutes. Movie Halloween? That was a joke.

• 34:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Where do you think?

• 34:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Where are the parents, in your opinion?

• 34:12Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, this is how I was raised. It's just like-

• 34:15Amanda Dobbins?

  But like, where, were they all at a party together?

• 34:18Sean Fennessey?

  Key party, yeah.

• 34:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, alright. Great.

• 34:20Sean Fennessey?

  I-

• 34:21Amanda Dobbins?

  I'd like to see that movie.

• 34:22Sean Fennessey?

  You still have, I mean, like- They made that movie. It's called The Ice Storm. I only have a recollection of being babysat once. My parents were not around a lot, but I only have one memory of a babysitter. Can you tell like you were raised during the Great Depression?

• 34:38Sean Fennessey?

  I would get home from work. I was eight years old. Hands bleeding from the riveting factory. And mom would give me Wheaties. No, I just remember, one time I had a babysitter, Richard ****, maybe I shouldn't say his name.

• 34:56Sean Fennessey?

  You refer to him by his full name? I made it known that I had a much greater preference for his sister Allison to be my babysitter for reasons that don't need to be stated. But it was, Allison was not available that night, so Richard did it. And he was just like, how can I make this up to you that you obviously wanted like my sister to be here? I was like, I don't know. He's like, what if I chase you around the house with a knife?

• 35:23Sean Fennessey?

  And it's still one of the top five things that's ever happened to me?

• 35:30Sean Fennessey?

  And I told my parents about it after the fact that I never saw Richard again.

• 35:37Speaker 05

  Let's just agree not to Google him and see what happens.

• 35:41Sean Fennessey?

  Richard, are you here tonight?

• 35:44Speaker 05

  That's, that's, that, you should have said that when Sean asked about your history with horror movies.

• 35:48Sean Fennessey?

  And that's where it starts, right?

• 35:49Speaker 05

  That's like in the De Palma doc, where he's like, yeah, I don't know where it all started. I saw my father and my mother, like, I was hiding in the closet. And they were, and I was like, just kind of watching them and they didn't know I was in there. And I was like, no one's ever explained themselves better than you just did in De Palma.

• 36:05Sean Fennessey?

  My father kept dressing my, my mother up as his first wife.

• 36:10Speaker 05

  We have 30 movies to go. Should we move at this pace?

• 36:13Sean Fennessey?

  I'm having fun.

• 36:14Speaker 05

  I, I've got, I, I, so it's me now.

• 36:16Sean Fennessey?

  It's your turn, Alex.

• 36:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, you have one.

• 36:18Speaker 05

  I can't believe I'm getting this, and this is a real zag. And I don't know if you would think I'm gonna pick this, but it's your, your categories.

• 36:25Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 36:26Speaker 05

  And I'm taking The Nightmare Before Christmas in children's films.

• 36:31Sean Fennessey?

  One of my movies.

• 36:33Speaker 05

  When I started this and you gave me the lists, I wouldn't have been like, that's my number one pick. But this is a weird category. This movie is, I, I watched this movie four times with my daughter in the last month, three at home and once in the theater. I hadn't seen it since probably like 1996. It's like, I don't know if people have heard this, a masterpiece. It's really good, and I didn't remember that. And I really, I mean, the divide, like, I don't even know, I mean, I have number two and three and four in this, but this is a weird category.

• 37:05Speaker 05

  But this is just an incredible film, and watching it in the theater with her recently was even more fun than watching it at home. She sings the songs now, and it's to me like, obviously, we've lost the ability to make movies that look this, you know, beloved now.

• 37:18Sean Fennessey?

  This Friday, Wildwood comes out.

• 37:20Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 37:22Sean Fennessey?

  And I have to say, it is made with the same level of care that Nightmare Before Christmas is.

• 37:28Speaker 05

  200% the runtime.

• 37:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 37:31Speaker 05

  Which I'm nervous about.

• 37:32Sean Fennessey?

  That's not, yes.

• 37:33Speaker 05

  This is a great movie that, like, has three authors, which is very usually the combination for disaster. But the songs, Elfman, Selic, and Burton, like, it's kind of, it belongs to everybody. And usually that creates like a bad, a bad mix, but like, sometimes it's perfect alchemy. And I've really been enjoying having this movie in my life over the last couple of weeks. And I really am glad that, and Astrid currently is pinning being Sally for Halloween. She has the Sally dress in the mail.

• 38:02Sean Fennessey?

  That's great.

• 38:02Speaker 05

  She's very pro Sally, and yeah, I just like-

• 38:04Amanda Dobbins?

  What else is on the table?

• 38:05Speaker 05

  What's that?

• 38:06Amanda Dobbins?

  What else is on the table?

• 38:07Speaker 05

  Like all the other dumb shit she says, like when she's watching something else.

• 38:12Speaker 05

  Like, stuff that doesn't exist, just like some, some like asinine costume. Or she'll be like, I wanna be a ballerina. And it's like, well, you have ballet that morning, so I don't know how special that will be to then go trick or treating in what you were wearing at 11, but-

• 38:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 38:27Speaker 05

  I'm pulling for Sally to win.

• 38:32Speaker 05

  But then she'll just like pull out like, you know, like I wanna be, you know, like one of, one of our cats. She'll be like, I wanna be, I wanna be him this year. But yeah, this movie is just really, I mean, I've just been so happy to have it back in my life and watching it. It's just so much fun. And, you know, Disney Parks, Amanda, you wouldn't know this, re-themed The Haunted Mansion with Nightmare, like, I think probably like September through January.

• 38:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 38:55Speaker 05

  Because it is this like fascinating movie that like, the first 25 minutes are like Halloween, like liquefied and shot into your veins, and the rest of it isn't that at all.

• 39:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 39:04Speaker 05

  But it doesn't feel weird watching a Christmas movie in October, because the tone is so spooky and fun. And yeah, it turns out all these like people that have been wearing these shirts for the last 30 years were right. Like, it's really good.

• 39:19Speaker 05

  And I didn't, and I didn't really know what to, like, what to do other than this in this category.

• 39:24Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Chris, have you seen The Nightmare Before Christmas? I have it, yeah.

• 39:30Sean Fennessey?

  I bet I picked some movies that you guys haven't seen.

• 39:34Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's A Big World and it's a lot of pre-OVs, you know? I just haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. If Angel Studios put it out, would you watch it?

• 39:43Sean Fennessey?

  Taylor Sheridan's The Nightmare Before Christmas?

• 39:50Speaker 05

  You saw it in the theater with Alice.

• 39:52Sean Fennessey?

  I did see it in the theater. I've seen it with Alice. Alice had, my daughter had a playdate a couple of weeks ago, and the playdate was a nighttime, like an evening time playdate with five other girls from school. And they had an out, the friends had an outdoor screening. And it was real Pasadena shit. And they, they watched, the five of them watched The Nightmare Before Christmas together. And they were like arm in arm huddled up, and it was just the most magical thing you could ever see. They were completely enraptured by it. And, you know, it's like almost 35 years old. It's really, but it's still a pristine piece of art. So, great pick.

• 40:21Speaker 05

  During the party, you were under the covers watching something on your laptop?

• 40:25Sean Fennessey?

  I was running the projector, you know?

• 40:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:28Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I have two picks.

• 40:31Sean Fennessey?

  I guess out of, out of, to celebrate what we did yesterday, I'll, I'll go with Halloween franchise. One of the secrets about me is that I love the Halloween franchise, but I'm not convinced that many of the movies are very good. And one of the movies that I believe to be very good is the second of two movies that we showed last night, which is Halloween 3: Season of the Witch. Now, when we screened the movie last night, more than half of the people in the theater had never seen it. And I just, just shout if you've seen Halloween 3.

• 41:04Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty, pretty good, pretty good.

• 41:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 41:06Sean Fennessey?

  The intention of Halloween III is so fascinating.

• 41:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm doing the math with the people cheering about being hot horror people and then the people being like, I saw someone telling the truth.

• 41:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, this is the only horror movie they've seen.

• 41:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:17Sean Fennessey?

  It's Halloween III, which last night Alex described as a, do you say a full-blown masterpiece?

• 41:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, it was kind of a consensus opinion these days.

• 41:26Sean Fennessey?

  Amongst guys like you.

• 41:28Speaker 05

  Yeah. The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences giving an honorary Oscar this year to the, to Tom Atkins, the creator of. I think, I don't know, don't check on that, but I think they are.

• 41:39Sean Fennessey?

  For those of you who have never seen this movie, this is the only movie that does not feature Michael Myers. In fact, it is not a Michael Myers movie at all. It was made after Halloween II. John Carpenter and Deborah Hill were lured back to the franchise and they said, in order for us to come back and produce this movie and work on it with Tommy Lee Wallace, it needs to be a different kind of horror movie. And in fact, it's hardly even a horror movie. In some ways, it's more of a science fiction movie, but it doesn't feature Michael, it's not a slasher, it's more of a conspiracy thriller.

• 42:07Speaker 05

  They live kind of thing.

• 42:08Sean Fennessey?

  They live, yeah, kind of a pod people movie. And it is.

• 42:11Speaker 05

  It's folk horror.

• 42:12Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, it's.

• 42:12Speaker 05

  Folk horror.

• 42:13Sean Fennessey?

  Truittic. Yes, as you mentioned last night, a very anti-Irish movie, which is challenging for me. The most evil Irish character in the history of movies is the villain of the movie. It also involves Stonehenge, which is not in Ireland.

• 42:26Speaker 05

  And you've traditionally thought of as like a crystallization of evil, I don't think.

• 42:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 42:31Speaker 05

  Amanda, you've watched this now. What are your thoughts on this, this curio in the franchise?

• 42:37Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, this is a sci-fi movie that ultimately has, I would agree with, it's interpretation of Stonehenge and, you know, pagan rituals didn't really line up for me. I thought it was slightly disrespectful.

• 42:53Sean Fennessey?

  To the pagans?

• 42:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 42:55Sean Fennessey?

  I feel like they're fine.

• 42:56Amanda Dobbins?

  They were, they were just marking the seasons, you know?

• 43:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, the season of the witch.

• 43:01Amanda Dobbins?

  They're telling time and, and finding, you know, vibrations in the earth.

• 43:06Speaker 05

  And did you ever date a pagan?

• 43:10Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but thank you for thinking that was on the board.

• 43:12Speaker 05

  I mean, Dartmouth, you never know.

• 43:13Amanda Dobbins?

  That's true. It went kind of the other direction. I dated the guy, the Irish guy who like blames all of this on Stonehenge.

• 43:22Speaker 05

  A great Northern California movie, so this becomes the San Francisco draft for a minute.

• 43:25Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 43:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:26Sean Fennessey?

  So you get what you wanted. Yeah. And, you know, it's a movie that.

• 43:30Speaker 05

  So it didn't really click for you?

• 43:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it's one of those things where it's not my flavor. And that has been part of the, this process, right? Is discovering like, okay, it's not that I'm afraid of things. It's that these have, you know, many different genres and fixations within them. And I'm not, I'm not a huge weirdo sci-fi person.

• 43:49Speaker 05

  Would you slap some Silver Shamrock novelty masks on the boys and plot them in front of the brainwashing horror son? If there's nothing to be scared of, what's the problem, Amanda?

• 43:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I have sung the like, 10 more days for Halloween, Halloween, but like in a happy way to myself and that it's almost over. So in that sense, sure.

• 44:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 44:08Sean Fennessey?

  It's also, one of the scariest things about it is it, it presupposes that 45-year-old mustachioed Tom Atkins is the hottest man alive. And every female character is like, can we fuck? Which I had forgotten about until I watched it last night.

• 44:23Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 44:23Sean Fennessey?

  This film.

• 44:25Speaker 05

  I'm glad you, I mean, it's an obvious second. These are obviously the one and two of this franchise.

• 44:29Sean Fennessey?

  I think so.

• 44:30Speaker 05

  In, in people's minds. I said last night at our introduction, there's two things wrong with this title. They shouldn't have called it Halloween III. The three tanks it. And it's not the season of the witch. So I don't really understand what we're doing with this title. And this has kept people away from it. There did at one time, you know, when it was considered kind of the stepchild of the series before.

• 44:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, the intention was to make the Halloween series sort of like an anthology series like Creepshow or Night Gallery on TV, like that you could come back to over and over again. And it just meant, this movie takes place on Halloween. And that was part of what inspired thinking of the movies that take place on Halloween category. But I'm not going to draft in that category yet. I'm going to draft in Stephen King horror adaptation. I'm going to draft The Shining, one of my favorite movies of all time.

• 45:14Speaker 05

  How many? I considered asking if we could as, make it like a gentleman's agreement not to have The Shining be eligible, just.

• 45:21Sean Fennessey?

  Why?

• 45:22Speaker 05

  Because we did it in the last one.

• 45:23Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, we did?

• 45:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:24Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it's good.

• 45:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:25Sean Fennessey?

  I'm a fan.

• 45:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Who got it in the last one?

• 45:28Speaker 05

  One of the three of us, I don't remember.

• 45:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. I mean, it's very good.

• 45:31Speaker 05

  Maybe Sean got it.

• 45:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 45:33Sean Fennessey?

  I'll, I'll just add a little wrinkle to it, which is, how many people here have acquired the complete Kubrick box set from the Criterion Collection? The one man who can afford it.

• 45:44Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you, sir.

• 45:44Speaker 05

  It's San Francisco.

• 45:45Amanda Dobbins?

  It's weird. I just suddenly.

• 45:47Speaker 05

  I just suddenly.

• 45:48Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think Elon got it?

• 45:49Speaker 05

  I just heard the sound of a box being opened when you said that. Is it possible?

• 45:53Sean Fennessey?

  No, he's not here tonight.

• 45:54Speaker 05

  The unboxing boy has entered the building?

• 45:56Sean Fennessey?

  No, Donnie Darko is here tonight. Inside the complete Kubrick box includes the international version of The Shining, which I had never seen before, which is a way edited down version of the film that Stanley Kubrick made after the movie came out and got pretty bad reviews. And he thought it was kind of a commercial failure. And so he recut the movie for its European release. So it goes from two hours and 26 minutes to one hour and 59 minutes. And many scenes from the movie are cut and it feels much tighter and it's much less mysterious and more of just like a pure, excuse me, it's more mysterious and more of like a why is this happening? What is really happening kind of movie? And it worked really well. And so I don't know if I can draft the international version. I did enjoy it. It was a very different perspective on a movie I've seen so many times.

• 46:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, we're glad you had that experience.

• 46:43Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you.

• 46:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I will say, I, I mean, this is a masterpiece. Like this was obviously number two on my Stephen King list. And only, you know, I guess because I'm a girl. Is this?

• 46:54Sean Fennessey?

  Do you relate to those twins?

• 46:57Amanda Dobbins?

  I did Google Elliot's Apollo 11 sweater and.

• 47:00Sean Fennessey?

  Don't know any of those words.

• 47:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Not.

• 47:03Speaker 05

  I'm sorry, what, Sean?

• 47:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, yeah.

• 47:05Speaker 05

  You don't Google.

• 47:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 47:07Speaker 05

  It's a search engine on the internet.

• 47:08Sean Fennessey?

  Sweater?

• 47:09Speaker 05

  It's.

• 47:09Amanda Dobbins?

  It's his name, not Elliot?

• 47:11Speaker 05

  What?

• 47:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Danny. Danny, sorry. I don't know.

• 47:13Speaker 05

  Elliot's ET.

• 47:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you. No, Danny's Apollo 11 sweater. It is an Apollo 11 sweater.

• 47:19Sean Fennessey?

  Sweater. I thought you were naming like an obscure French clothing line. I seriously thought that.

• 47:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I googled, and you can get them on Etsy, but I was, the time period was too short.

• 47:28Speaker 05

  I think, I think the boys would look sharp in that.

• 47:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, thank you.

• 47:31Speaker 05

  I'd like to see.

• 47:32Amanda Dobbins?

  So it would be very hot under the lights. But so the Overlook Hotel, which is fictional, is set in Colorado. But are those opening scenes filmed in Colorado? They are.

• 47:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 47:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 47:42Sean Fennessey?

  The, the car driving through the mountains, I believe so.

• 47:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that's very beautiful.

• 47:46Speaker 05

  Aren't they the Timberline Lodge in Oregon?

• 47:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, they are? Oh, it's Oregon? Okay, so there we go.

• 47:51Sean Fennessey?

  That's where the driving is.

• 47:51Speaker 05

  I think it's that Stephen King stayed in the hotel in Colorado, felt like it was fucked up, wrote the story.

• 47:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 47:56Speaker 05

  About this place he stayed. And then it was.

• 47:58Amanda Dobbins?

  And they, in the, in the film, they have like driven up from Denver. So.

• 48:03Speaker 05

  Or Boulder, I think, where Stephen King lived for a while.

• 48:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it? Okay, they keep, whatever. So, but it's Colorado in the movie, but it was filmed in Oregon.

• 48:10Sean Fennessey?

  Let me give you a little bit of context here.

• 48:11Speaker 05

  The exteriors of the Timberline Lodge in Oregon, and then they built, obviously, Kubrickian sets.

• 48:16Amanda Dobbins?

  So I stand by everything I said.

• 48:18Sean Fennessey?

  There was a chance that this very live show that you're attending tonight was going to happen in Denver. And it was Amanda who said, no Denver, San Francisco.

• 48:29Sean Fennessey?

  Or it could have been Philadelphia. And I said, of course, no Philadelphia.

• 48:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, boo that.

• 48:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, I was trying to say something nice about Colorado, but instead Oregon. It's very, very beautiful.

• 48:42Speaker 05

  Spiritually Colorado, that's where he wrote it. Great choice, Sean.

• 48:46Sean Fennessey?

  Thanks, Alex. It's back to you.

• 48:47Speaker 05

  All right. I don't know. I don't really, I mean, there's just so much fun to be had. And so much of this, I'm curious about what else people want. For, for holiday, I put one thing on the list that was never affirmed or commented on by anybody else. I put with a question mark is Return of the Living Dead, which takes place on July 3rd.

• 49:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 49:10Speaker 05

  And everybody in the horror world watches this July 3rd or 4th. Can I take this as a July 4th?

• 49:14Sean Fennessey?

  You can. To me, it is eligible as an Independence Day horror movie.

• 49:18Speaker 05

  Yes, you find, okay, well, then I'll take, I'll take Return of the Living Dead in holiday horror.

• 49:22Sean Fennessey?

  Can you explain what's so good about that movie? And for anybody who hasn't seen it?

• 49:25Speaker 05

  Return of the Living Dead is a Dan O'Bannon movie. Dan O'Bannon, who wrote Alien and has many other relevant film credits, but that's probably the, that's obviously the highest. And it's this like 80s sort of acid rain punk zombie movie that is really just like, as, I mean, everything I just said is what you're picturing. And growing up, I saw that and the Romero movies around the same time. And I conflated the acid rain in this movie with the literal cause of the zombies and Night of the Living Dead, of which there is none. So I was like, you know, zombies, acid rain. And it's this group of punks driving around, you know, I think the opening title card is like July 3rd, 8:55 PM or something. And it's just this kind of insane, you know, zombie outbreak, which

• 50:10Speaker 05

  also features like, you know, some of the best practical zombie makeup. And, you know, it's just, it's just pure pop. It's just a totally fun 80s video movie. What else can I say about it?

• 50:21Sean Fennessey?

  I saw this.

• 50:22Speaker 05

  I didn't make the promise that Chris did to talk more about the movie.

• 50:26Sean Fennessey?

  I saw this movie, I've seen this movie a few times, but I saw it once in it, right after we moved to LA. I was going to say, there's no, we did not have a placard prepared for the Return of the Living Dead. Thank you, Elizabeth. That won't be the last time she has to do that.

• 50:41Sean Fennessey?

  I saw this movie in a really funny cultural context. There is a podcast called Doug Loves Movies and Doug Loves Movies would sometimes do live events. I think it was at the then Silent Movie Theater and you would buy a ticket to the movie and then there would be a panel of people, some comedians and others, and they would make jokes throughout the movie like Mystery Science Theater 3000. And on the panel, I believe, were Jon Hamm and Elizabeth Moss right smack in the middle of Mad Men?

• 51:09Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:10Sean Fennessey?

  And they were just making fun of Return of the Living Dead while we watched it along together. And there's a part of me that was like, this is pretty cool. Jon Hamm is here talking about this movie. And there was a part of me that was like, shut the fuck up, Jon Hamm. I'm trying to watch Return of the Living Dead. I've always wondered, would you enjoy watching a movie? Somebody talking during Sense and Sensibility, you say what?

• 51:28Amanda Dobbins?

  We, we do this every year because you think it's a funny social experiment. And I'm always very curious of the people who actually queue up our watch along episodes and are like, yes, I need, thank you. But also, like, is there enough in your life? And how can we help?

• 51:47Speaker 05

  Last year, I had to, I was, I took the train chewing from Baltimore for a speaking engagement. And we have to fly away back.

• 51:53Amanda Dobbins?

  It's just, it's, it's a bad, it's okay.

• 51:54Speaker 05

  And on my train ride home from Baltimore, I listened to your Avatar watch along and sometimes you get rewarded by Sean crying on mic.

• 52:03Speaker 05

  Two hours and 55 minutes into an episode about Avatar.

• 52:07Sean Fennessey?

  So beautiful.

• 52:10Speaker 05

  So it's a fine, so you guys could do riff tracks.

• 52:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 52:13Speaker 05

  You guys just fire up a movie and have you seen this movie?

• 52:16Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 52:16Speaker 05

  You, you maybe recognize the cover. You know, it's a pretty prominent piece of artwork.

• 52:20Sean Fennessey?

  Brains. It's a lot.

• 52:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah. Okay.

• 52:24Speaker 05

  You know, there's like a lot of Mohawks and leather jackets in it.

• 52:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Your leather jacket that is really nice that you've been wearing on this trip. Good job.

• 52:34Speaker 05

  Just picture it.

• 52:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 52:35Sean Fennessey?

  Chris is not wearing one right now.

• 52:37Speaker 05

  Members only. I have a pick.

• 52:39Sean Fennessey?

  You have a pick, Chris. Chris, you ready to go home? You done?

• 52:41Speaker 05

  No, I'm, I'm, I'm just focused on categories here. And I'm curious about how far I can stretch for kids.

• 52:50Speaker 05

  As like an idea, like, you know, cause like.

• 52:52Sean Fennessey?

  Pardon me?

• 52:54Speaker 05

  That sounded different in my head.

• 52:59Speaker 05

  You say this not having looked at the carefully curated list Sean prepared. I saw it. I think that.

• 53:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I also didn't look at that. And then when you were talking about how you added things with question marks, as if all of the litigation about what's eligible on this draft happened there, I definitely didn't look at it. So I just want to let you know.

• 53:17Speaker 05

  So for Stephen King.

• 53:22Amanda Dobbins?

  What kind of printer are you using these days?

• 53:23Speaker 05

  The front desk of the hotel.

• 53:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, great. Okay.

• 53:26Speaker 05

  Same. I do have a printer.

• 53:27Sean Fennessey?

  What room number are you staying in for everybody out there?

• 53:30Speaker 05

  For Stephen King, I'm going to tell you guys this little story about a film called Maximum Overdrive.

• 53:37Speaker 05

  This is Stephen King's only directorial effort. He was just absolutely crippling addicted to cocaine while he made this movie. So because of that, he thought it would be a good idea to have ACDC do the soundtrack. And this is a movie about what would happen if machines took over the world because we were in the trail tail end of a comet's wake. And somehow that woke up trucks and lawn mowers to kill us. It stars Emilio Estevez as a ex-convicts working in a rest stop in North Carolina, who leads a resistance of sorts against the trucks. And it meant a lot to me as a kid. I have seen this movie so many times. And

• 54:19Speaker 05

  I will tell you this, I thought about rewatching it to check my work for this podcast. And I was like, no, you get this after the podcast. When you go back to your hotel room, you fire up Maximum Overdrive. So that's what I'm going to do tonight when we get home.

• 54:37Speaker 05

  Just an absolute fucking chucklehead of a movie. Like, don't go into this trying to make sense of it, but it is a ton of fun and features a lot of that guy, character actors getting cut down by machines.

• 54:52Sean Fennessey?

  Robots taking over the world, you say?

• 54:53Speaker 05

  My favorite kill in this movie, not to spoil it for the 95% of you who won't be watching this movie, is. Currently streaming on the Criterion Channel in the highway horror series. Is a guy who gets killed by a soda, soda machine because the sodas keep shooting him in the head. You didn't know you had to be scared of that. And then you found out. So I'll do Maximum Overdrive.

• 55:17Sean Fennessey?

  Did you get to this one, Amanda?

• 55:18Amanda Dobbins?

  What?

• 55:19Sean Fennessey?

  Did you get to this one?

• 55:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Did I, did I?

• 55:21Sean Fennessey?

  Did you get to this one?

• 55:21Amanda Dobbins?

  No, believe it or not, I spent my time elsewhere. Yeah.

• 55:24Speaker 05

  Watching, watching.

• 55:26Sean Fennessey?

  You should go to Chris's room after the podcast. Check it out. You guys can sit together in bed and watch it.

• 55:32Speaker 05

  Sean will be under the covers with the AirPods. Everyone else could be. Watching the brutalists.

• 55:36Sean Fennessey?

  Welcome to my world.

• 55:41Speaker 05

  I'll do a more contemporary film for takes.

• 55:43Sean Fennessey?

  Wait a minute, wait a minute.

• 55:45Speaker 05

  I'm sorry. I thought it was on the turn.

• 55:46Sean Fennessey?

  Amanda has two picks at the turn. Now, Maximum Overdrive is off the board. Just so you know.

• 55:53Amanda Dobbins?

  When you were talking about people who are not going to go home and watch Maximum Overdrive, I was wondering, is the man who really didn't want Halloween 2 spoiled for him here tonight? No? Okay. Well, we'll never find out what he thought.

• 56:03Speaker 05

  Because that guy ruined the vibe last night. We were going to talk about Halloween 2.

• 56:07Amanda Dobbins?

  He was like, do not tell me how it is connected to the original Halloween. And I did not. I wonder if he was happy. Okay.

• 56:14Speaker 05

  I hope he went home and watched it.

• 56:17Amanda Dobbins?

  So I'm, I'm going to try something here because as previously discussed, I didn't look at the list. And we didn't do a lot of eligibility discussion before this show because we like to save the bickering for onstage.

• 56:32Sean Fennessey?

  You're, you're gonna do a controversial one at pick two?

• 56:35Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, no, no, no. I'm going to try something. I'm going to try something out. I'm going to bring it to the table. And I know that you guys are going to be welcoming, supportive, and happy. So in dress up, movies with radical makeup and costume transformations. I just want to say, when this was originally being discussed, Alex Ross Perry wanted to make sure that I was not allowed to draft She's All That in the makeup, because of the makeover.

• 57:01Speaker 05

  Not that you weren't allowed to. I just wanted to confirm that the parameters were not that elastic.

• 57:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I shared with the group, but we'll share with you now. She's All That, not one of my movies, makeover or otherwise. So here's what I want to see. Is Ghostface from Scream eligible?

• 57:17Speaker 05

  No.

• 57:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Why not?

• 57:19Speaker 05

  He doesn't, he puts on a mask.

• 57:22Amanda Dobbins?

  None of us are wearing that mask because we'd be sued by David Ellison.

• 57:27Sean Fennessey?

  No, wait.

• 57:28Amanda Dobbins?

  This is a very strong costume situation. It's very powerful, iconic. It's not eligible? Okay, fine.

• 57:34Sean Fennessey?

  No, it's not. I mean, that's not a radical transformation. It's putting on a mask.

• 57:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, he wears, you know, sparkles too. He was, it's, it's, it's like you. You, this doesn't count? You as Donnie Darko don't count as radical transformation?

• 57:47Sean Fennessey?

  When I time travel, it will be a radical transformation. But until then, no.

• 57:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Well, I don't think that's very fun. But I'll do Beetlejuice in this category.

• 57:56Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 58:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I had a lot of fun this weekend showing my older son Beetlejuice for the first time. And he did the thing where he watched a lot of the movie, like at a great physical distance from the screen, you know? He was kind of just like back away from this, like, I'm not really sure what's going on. And then he also just kept saying over and over again, where's Beetlejuice? Where's Beetlejuice? Hey, is that Beetlejuice?

• 58:25Speaker 05

  So he did say Beetlejuice three times.

• 58:27Amanda Dobbins?

  And you know what? But I was really proud of him because historically, he hasn't been like the biggest like plot guy.

• 58:33Speaker 05

  He watched the whole movie?

• 58:34Amanda Dobbins?

  He was like, you gotta see it three times and then he'll show up. And still, they had not done it. Anyway.

• 58:40Speaker 05

  He watched the whole movie?

• 58:41Amanda Dobbins?

  He watched the whole movie.

• 58:42Speaker 05

  That's like a core, this scared the shit out of me when I was four kind of movie.

• 58:45Sean Fennessey?

  Me too.

• 58:47Amanda Dobbins?

  But he, from the very beginning, understood the humor in it, which I was really excited about. And then as soon as Michael Keaton as Beetlejuice showed up, he was just cracking up. He thought it was so funny. And he understood like the mischief in it as well as the spookiness. And I mean, he's a bit of a rascal.

• 59:06Sean Fennessey?

  How did you explain his sexual desire for Lydia?

• 59:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't. And he didn't pick up on that, which was good. He, like, he was interested in, he wanted to know who Christina Ricci was. And then, no, Winona Ryder. I'm sorry, Christina Ricci, no spoiler alert of a later. But then.

• 59:26Speaker 05

  Amanda's going to draft Mermaids later.

• 59:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 59:30Amanda Dobbins?

  I did also. Then I was like, well, that's Winona Ryder. And I think, I didn't get into the shoplifting, but like, I was trying to bring like my own, like, you know, I'm trying to teach him what I know.

• 59:40Speaker 05

  I think at some point, at some point, dad has to have the Winona Ryder talk with, with his son. This is not.

• 59:46Sean Fennessey?

  I agree. You stay away from that one. Yeah.

• 59:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, I mean, obviously, like a very visually imaginative and very spirited movie. But it was really exciting to see how Knox was just like, oh, I get it. This is funny. And Keaton for life.

• 1:00:02Speaker 05

  The Beetlejuice design really hits. Astrid latched onto it a few years ago after seeing like a blow up decoration of it. Griffin Newman got her a Beetlejuice Squishmello.

• 1:00:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:00:10Speaker 05

  She likes a lot. She never engaged with the movie. But the cartoon is, there's a cartoon show from.

• 1:00:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:00:15Sean Fennessey?

  From her childhood, yeah.

• 1:00:16Speaker 05

  That, you know, could be enjoyable because it's just a Saturday morning cartoon.

• 1:00:20Sean Fennessey?

  Where is it? Can you, where can you view that?

• 1:00:21Speaker 05

  It's streaming. It pops up on like, recommend, you know, streaming.

• 1:00:25Sean Fennessey?

  Scott, Skydance or?

• 1:00:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Skynet, I have, yes.

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• 1:02:11Sean Fennessey?

  Amanda, you have another selection. Chris, was Beetlejuice on your board?

• 1:02:15Speaker 05

  What's that?

• 1:02:15Sean Fennessey?

  Was Beetlejuice on your board?

• 1:02:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Have you seen Beetlejuice?

• 1:02:17Speaker 05

  I've seen Beetlejuice, yeah.

• 1:02:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, just asking. I guess in this case, I will go ahead and protect my heart. I don't really think, no, I don't need to do that because I don't think Alex, well, I actually don't know. What, Alex Ross, do you have a, do you have a Halloween franchise? No, you don't. And I don't think you would be that mean, but everything else is kind of Amanda core at this point. So I will, in Halloween franchise, take Halloween H2O. 20 years later, introducing Josh Hartnett. Michelle Williams is also in this, in the

• 1:03:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Dawson's Creek era. And I had somehow not seen this, even though this being targeted directly at me at my time period of life. And it's not particularly thrilling or classical in a film sense, but...

• 1:03:19Sean Fennessey?

  What other senses are there?

• 1:03:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Was I like, don't go on the fucking camping trip, like get busy at your school? Absolutely. And then lessons were learned. So...

• 1:03:30Speaker 05

  In the last time we did this, I was like, Amanda, you must have seen this.

• 1:03:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:34Speaker 05

  And you hadn't.

• 1:03:35Amanda Dobbins?

  And I had not. But now I have.

• 1:03:37Speaker 05

  Now you're a card-carrying, shirt-wearing member of the H2O fan club. That is true. So the dumb waiter has a kill, is gonna kill in this movie. Where do you guys stand on this one?

• 1:03:48Sean Fennessey?

  Never, never been a fan. I saw it in movie theaters. I was like, what the fuck?

• 1:03:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:53Sean Fennessey?

  And then...

• 1:03:53Speaker 05

  Was Jon Hamm there? Was he like...

• 1:03:55Sean Fennessey?

  I know. It's like, was Jon Hamm, "Shut up while I'm trying to watch H2O"?

• 1:04:00Speaker 05

  And also, you know, this is like... No, go ahead. I'm sorry.

• 1:04:03Sean Fennessey?

  The wine scenes got their hands on it, you know? You don't want that. That's never good.

• 1:04:08Speaker 05

  All right, well, that's, that's...

• 1:04:11Sean Fennessey?

  That's what, you have a controversial take about that?

• 1:04:12Speaker 05

  No, I mean, like, it's like, at the time, we weren't like, oh, classic Harvey here. You know what I mean? Like... Sean, don't act like you were a sanctimonious Long Island teenager being like, guys, dimension films? Come on, we can't support this.

• 1:04:25Sean Fennessey?

  Truly one of my favorite things at the time.

• 1:04:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, this movie was really big at the time. It was big for all of us.

• 1:04:31Sean Fennessey?

  It was big.

• 1:04:32Speaker 05

  I went on a journey with this, where I had a poster of it in my basement at the time, just because they gave it to me at the movie theater. When the Run the Run was over, I really liked it. Then I re-watched it with Anna when the 2018 one was coming out and could not believe how bad it was.

• 1:04:45Sean Fennessey?

  It's bad.

• 1:04:45Speaker 05

  Could not believe, like, first of all, this movie, I think the credits hit at 78 minutes. Like, they barely finished it.

• 1:04:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah. But you've always had a soft spot for it as well.

• 1:04:55Speaker 05

  I do. I mean, I just, it's a fun, like, boarding school movie that happens to have Michael Myers in it.

• 1:05:01Sean Fennessey?

  It brought the franchise back, and for that, we're grateful to it. CR, you have a selection.

• 1:05:06Speaker 05

  Okay, for something a little bit more contemporary, I'm gonna go for Take Place on Halloween: The Guest, which is Adam Wingard's movie, I think from 2014, if I remember correctly. And this is about, Dan Stevens plays a soldier who arrives at a grieving family's doorstep one day and says, "I knew your, your son when we were serving in Afghanistan, and he wanted me to come and check up on you and make sure you guys are doing okay." And what ensues is very like James Cameron-esque 80s-coded retro fun, action horror movie with Micah Monroe. And it's just, it's just like a really awesome movie. And it's sort of returned

• 1:05:51Speaker 05

  to recently by The Little Scene Movie Onslaught, which Sean and I potted about and nobody cared about. But...

• 1:05:59Sean Fennessey?

  No one saw the film, nor heard that podcast.

• 1:06:01Speaker 05

  And this movie kind of kicked off or popularized, like, that kind of revival of the Carpenter style in contemporary genre movies, I think. I mean, somewhat.

• 1:06:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I mean, I think the movie made $3 million at the box office, but we think it's cool.

• 1:06:17Speaker 05

  Has gone on to still, I think, have somewhat of a cult following. Do you like this one? Yeah, this played at Sundance the first year I went with Listen Up, Philip. And, you know, for years, we always heard, like, midnight screenings at Sundance, really fun. And I saw it my first day there, first screening I ever saw midnight, and I was like, this is fun. Yeah. This is cool. I bet I'll work with Dan someday, and I did. Reader, I did. No, I think this movie's good. I mean, I haven't seen it in 12 years, but I assume it's still good. It's still good, yeah. I'll check in on Onslaught when my end-of-year catch-up comes. I don't remember this movie taking place on Halloween.

• 1:06:49Sean Fennessey?

  During the screener season, not during war season, though it is also potentially eligible in war season.

• 1:06:54Speaker 05

  It's not a world, Onslaught's a World War II movie?

• 1:06:57Sean Fennessey?

  It's a, well, it's about...

• 1:06:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, kind of, kind of.

• 1:06:59Sean Fennessey?

  It's about a forever war that we're engaging in.

• 1:07:02Speaker 05

  A culture war, you might say.

• 1:07:05Sean Fennessey?

  You might say. What is the Halloween part of this movie? I don't remember.

• 1:07:08Speaker 05

  It takes place on Halloween. The whole movie does? Uh, it's like around Halloween. I don't remember that at all. Guess I should re-watch it. It's in New Mexico, so it's not like, ooh, spooky. Yeah, one of the crappy Halloween places.

• 1:07:19Sean Fennessey?

  It's in New Mexico, so it's not scary?

• 1:07:21Speaker 05

  No, it's not. It's not like, you're not like, ooh, like the leaves are blowing. It's just like, ah, it's fucking New Mexico. Doesn't have that beautiful Northern California feel of Halloween III Season of the Witch.

• 1:07:31Speaker 05

  No, I don't think, I like New Mexico enough, you know? Albuquerque live show? Put it on the board? ABQ, we would get...

• 1:07:39Sean Fennessey?

  I've never been.

• 1:07:40Speaker 05

  Neither one of you are going to the desert.

• 1:07:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I tried, I love Santa Fe. I tried to get him to go with me, and he, like, you know, a trip with our families, he was not into it. So I don't actually believe you.

• 1:07:51Speaker 05

  Oh, no, I'm just saying, like, I'm saying New Mexico doesn't scan as Halloween Town to me.

• 1:07:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:07:59Sean Fennessey?

  As opposed to, like, what is Halloween Town to you?

• 1:08:02Speaker 05

  The Disney, the Disney Channel franchise Halloween Town. Chris, have you, I assume you've seen all three of these films? I have, yeah. Yeah, you're a Halloween Town completist. Now, these were on, these are, I guess no one else has taken kids' films, so I don't know if anyone else has seen them.

• 1:08:17Sean Fennessey?

  You're up right now, so you can take one.

• 1:08:18Speaker 05

  I already took a kids' film. It's my first pick. I'm up right now.

• 1:08:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:22Speaker 05

  Um, I'm going to do makeup and transformation, and I'll ask you, this is a makeup one, special effects makeup. Reagan in The Exorcist?

• 1:08:34Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, sure.

• 1:08:35Speaker 05

  Can we? Yeah, I have that.

• 1:08:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:08:37Speaker 05

  In our debate about this, I said to Amanda, the way I'm approaching this is like a specific character in a movie that is just indelible in the public conscious of like, the way that character looks in the movie because of the effects and the makeup is viscerally horrifying. So I, yeah, I'll take Reagan in The Exorcist.

• 1:08:54Sean Fennessey?

  Wonderful.

• 1:08:56Speaker 05

  Which, you know, as the movie goes on, and the spirit of Pazuzu possesses her body, and what becomes of Linda Blair and the way that she's styled and her eyes and wounds on her body and the way that, you know, Help Me appears in her flesh is just this sort of like roadmap of torment that is so grounded in the incredibly, like, emotional horror of the movie.

• 1:09:18Sean Fennessey?

  How are the various items related to Pazuzu that you used to display in your backyard doing?

• 1:09:24Speaker 05

  I'm glad you asked. They're still there, but they have a bigger yard now.

• 1:09:28Sean Fennessey?

  And have you gained more?

• 1:09:30Speaker 05

  Um, no. I have no more, like, lawn ornaments, just lots of Halloween decorations.

• 1:09:37Sean Fennessey?

  How do you think you'd do with Pazuzu? You guys just kind of working on something together. You think you could do a good pod?

• 1:09:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, wasn't that when our, when our children were very, very...

• 1:09:44Speaker 05

  We did this entire bit in the last one.

• 1:09:46Sean Fennessey?

  This is my only material.

• 1:09:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but since then, like, we, our, our children have gone through, like, the Pazuzu phase. And like, didn't we, we did that a lot whenever they were having a meltdown?

• 1:09:59Speaker 05

  You would have them a... Come and, and say.

• 1:10:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Someone would yell like. Sean would often yell, the power of Christ compels you is one of our children's like.

• 1:10:09Sean Fennessey?

  I wish Max Von Sydow would come over to my house. That would be awesome. Okay. You've taken the exorcist. I hadn't even considered that.

• 1:10:17Speaker 05

  This was a category where everyone could kind of bring their own thoughts.

• 1:10:21Amanda Dobbins?

  So exciting.

• 1:10:21Speaker 05

  And my honorable mentions are vast and varied in this one.

• 1:10:25Sean Fennessey?

  It's true. Movies that take place on Halloween, I will take ET.

• 1:10:33Sean Fennessey?

  Which I think also takes, does it, does it take off? It's ET a movie for kids is a question I kind of wanted to talk to you guys about.

• 1:10:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but you forget how scary it is.

• 1:10:43Sean Fennessey?

  You know, I really want to show this film to my daughter.

• 1:10:46Speaker 05

  Don't subscribe to the nanny state. Let these kids grow up. You know what I mean? No, wait a minute. Wait, wait.

• 1:10:53Speaker 05

  Is this Tracy Lutz's nanny state? Is this, is this like a Mary Poppins nanny state? That nanny is watching Santa's anger. That nanny state is showing way worse films than this to all the children.

• 1:11:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Yeah. I, um, I really want to show this movie to my daughter. I had a very unique experience. I may have told this story on the pod. I can't recall, but I got very sick a couple of years ago. And I went to urgent care in LA and I was waiting and I couldn't really breathe and I, I was just really felt, you know, really clogged up. And a doctor walked in and he said, what seems to be troubling you, young man? And this is a true story.

• 1:11:32Speaker 05

  Was it Burt Lancaster from Field of Dreams who said that?

• 1:11:35Sean Fennessey?

  No, it wasn't. But it was a figure of some note and I told him what was bothering me and he looked at me and he said, okay, I think you're going to be just fine. And here's what I think it is. And here's, we'll get a prescription for you. And, you know, what do you do for a living? And I said, oh, I'm a podcaster. And he said, no kidding. I like podcasts. And he said, what is your podcast about? I said, movies. And he said, movies. I've been in movies. I was like, really? You've been, you've been in movies? He's like, yeah, I've acted in movies. I'm, I usually act in movies as a doctor. And I was like, well, what movies have you acted as a doctor? And then he's like, well, have you seen ET?

• 1:12:14Sean Fennessey?

  Doctor, I have seen ET. He was like, I'm the doctor that saved ET in ET. There's a whole scene where ET is dying. And actually the doctors, I think, killed him, but he tried to pretend like he saved him.

• 1:12:28Speaker 05

  He actually hasn't seen the final movie.

• 1:12:31Sean Fennessey?

  So I went to this, I, you know, I took down the doctor's name and I looked at his IMDb credits and he had like 70 credits and every credit was like Dr. Steve, Dr. Jim, Dr. Bill. It was amazing. And that man healed me.

• 1:12:43Amanda Dobbins?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:12:45Speaker 05

  That's beautiful, man.

• 1:12:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I forget his name now.

• 1:12:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Doesn't have anything to do with Halloween though.

• 1:12:49Sean Fennessey?

  No, but it does have to do with ET, which is a film that I selected, which takes place, of course, in part on Halloween, some of the best stuff in the movie.

• 1:12:56Speaker 05

  Candy is a major part of this movie.

• 1:12:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:12:58Amanda Dobbins?

  That's when they go flying, right?

• 1:13:00Sean Fennessey?

  And ET going out trick or treating.

• 1:13:01Speaker 05

  Some cul-de-sac in the valley, right?

• 1:13:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, exactly. And a beautiful movie and a movie that I do, I'm not drafting in kids movie, Halloween movie for kids. Would, I'm not sure if I would think of it as a Halloween movie for kids. And yet I think of it as a movie that takes place on Halloween. I'll have to figure that out in the future. Okay. I have to draft another movie.

• 1:13:22Sean Fennessey?

  I guess Halloween movie for kids, I'm going to take Ghostbusters. Now.

• 1:13:28Sean Fennessey?

  This isn't a movie that takes place on Halloween, but it's a movie that should be watched on Halloween. And it is kind of like Beetlejuice in that there are some parts of it that are too scary. And there are some parts of it in which the humor. Dr. Peter Venkman's humor.

• 1:13:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:13:43Sean Fennessey?

  Does not work on five year olds.

• 1:13:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I was going to say, also tried this with the same four year old who loved Beetlejuice. His review was too much talking and he turned it off.

• 1:13:54Speaker 05

  You watched this just now? You watched this recently?

• 1:13:56Amanda Dobbins?

  This summer. We put it on for him and I thought he would love it and I sang in the song and it was, it was a no go.

• 1:14:01Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting. The song goes harder than ever. I would say, we listen to the song every day at my house.

• 1:14:07Speaker 05

  What would you rather put on? The Silver Shamrock song or the Ghostbusters theme?

• 1:14:12Sean Fennessey?

  The Ghostbusters theme. Ray Parker Jr. is never, he's never lost a day in his life. But the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man is eternal. Slimer is eternal. These are like, these are gateways. These are portals to getting excited about the genre. It's fascinating to mix that childhood like stuff with.

• 1:14:29Speaker 05

  Environmentalism.

• 1:14:30Sean Fennessey?

  Demons need to fuck and paranormal psychology.

• 1:14:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Is the funniest person in the world if you're over the age of eight, maybe? I don't know.

• 1:14:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I think I was, how old were you when you saw Ghostbusters?

• 1:14:44Speaker 05

  Well, it's, you know, the classic thing people say all the time where like, I saw Ghostbusters two way, way more. I was four when that came, that's 88.

• 1:14:51Sean Fennessey?

  Vigo.

• 1:14:52Speaker 05

  Right? Or is it 89?

• 1:14:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:53Speaker 05

  Is it 88 or 89?

• 1:14:54Sean Fennessey?

  Any Vigo heads out there?

• 1:14:56Speaker 05

  So that I was like, I was, you know, like, I was all of our kids ages when that came out and saw it and loved it. Does Ghostbusters two take place on Halloween?

• 1:15:04Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it's a different, yeah.

• 1:15:08Speaker 05

  We did need that help though. And yeah, Ghostbusters, like I recently found some like kindergarten questionnaire of mine and I listed my favorite movie as Ghostbusters two.

• 1:15:17Sean Fennessey?

  Where did you find that?

• 1:15:18Speaker 05

  In some pile of crap my mom handed when she was visiting. And Ashford was like, what's, what's Ghostbusters two? Why is that your favorite movie?

• 1:15:27Speaker 05

  So I saw that countless times more and still have a lot of funness for it, even though I guess I later learned it's considered an inferior film.

• 1:15:34Sean Fennessey?

  I like two. It's, it's a little silly.

• 1:15:36Amanda Dobbins?

  It like, it is requiring every tiny amount of physical restraint I have to not just sing the song at football right now. So can we keep it moving? Something wrong? Yeah, come on.

• 1:15:49Speaker 05

  Yeah. Great. A good pick.

• 1:15:51Sean Fennessey?

  Alex, you have a pick.

• 1:15:54Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:15:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I feel like I'm not looking at you enough.

• 1:15:55Speaker 05

  We are. There's a couple of categories.

• 1:15:57Amanda Dobbins?

  You have any candy?

• 1:15:59Speaker 05

  I haven't. I'm going to save it till later.

• 1:16:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:16:01Speaker 05

  When I'm watching Maximum Overdrive. So I created my own rules for wild card.

• 1:16:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Wonderful.

• 1:16:09Speaker 05

  You said it could truly be anything, right? You're breaking a unspoken draft rule, which is going wild card before the last pick. I did it the last time we did it too. I took Hellraiser right away and wild card just because it didn't fit in any other categories. So for my own sake, I, for wild card, I did Northern California horror movies, just to kind of have some, some local color and because I wanted to revisit.

• 1:16:33Sean Fennessey?

  Whoring yourself out to the crowd, I see.

• 1:16:35Speaker 05

  That's right. They will be voting on that.

• 1:16:40Speaker 05

  And also just in the interest.

• 1:16:43Speaker 05

  We can see it in her head. So I'll take The Birds.

• 1:16:50Amanda Dobbins?

  That's good. That's really good.

• 1:16:54Speaker 05

  Only way to get the master of suspense on the board here as far as I know. And, you know, as close to a defining iconic San Francisco, Northern California genre film as there is. And.

• 1:17:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Tell you what, that is a movie that legitimately scares me.

• 1:17:08Speaker 05

  Birds?

• 1:17:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Don't trust those. I just absolutely not. Wild parrots hit the neighborhood recently. They like come through once or twice a season. Absolutely not.

• 1:17:20Speaker 05

  I walked home from dropping my daughter off last week and our next door neighbor's house had like seven vultures perched atop it. Huge black ones. It was very exciting.

• 1:17:31Sean Fennessey?

  One of these days I'm going to come over your house with a bird.

• 1:17:33Speaker 05

  Should I say anything about this movie or should we just? Please. Alfred Hitchcock, Daphne du Maurier adaptation, one of the great early eco horror films as they're now called, and just one of the great explanation free horror films, which we're hearing a lot of Halloween, no explanation until the sequels. This, no explanation. And I think we, we've kind of lost that. Like people just wouldn't allow it today. It's actually illegal to make horror movies where there's no explanation of what's going on at all. Maybe it'll be repealed in the next administration, but you know.

• 1:18:06Sean Fennessey?

  Who are you voting for?

• 1:18:08Speaker 05

  Well, Sean.

• 1:18:10Speaker 05

  Many, much like Matthew McConaughey, I'm moving right towards the independent way of thinking. Where's the camera? Let me just direct address. So like many Americans, I feel like we've been forsaken by a lot of our elected officials.

• 1:18:25Speaker 05

  I don't know. There's a red light. There must be something over there. Just a guy with a red light.

• 1:18:31Sean Fennessey?

  Can you do an extreme Wayne's World close up when he does that?

• 1:18:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's just, you know, like when you're watching the Hitchcock movies, when you're younger, you don't know like, oh, this is like his fifth to last movie. You're like, oh, this is one of the great ones. This is just classic era Hollywood. And then later you're like, oh, this is like the back. You know, back, not even the back nine, like the back two of his career. This is Irishman. Yeah.

• 1:18:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:56Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:57Speaker 05

  And he obviously loved. So a little shorter than Irishman. He's got several films here.

• 1:19:03Sean Fennessey?

  He did.

• 1:19:04Speaker 05

  Northern California, San Francisco. The Birds was as long as the Irishman.

• 1:19:09Speaker 05

  Damn, what do we, can we have another conversation about these birds? They're really freaking me out. Combine with The Birds two, you've got a nice four hours.

• 1:19:17Sean Fennessey?

  The Birds, I've not seen The Birds two.

• 1:19:19Speaker 05

  I think it's like a direct to video, it's from like nineties.

• 1:19:22Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:19:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:19:23Sean Fennessey?

  Who directed that one?

• 1:19:24Speaker 05

  Martin Scorsese.

• 1:19:27Speaker 05

  Right after Cape Fear. Yeah. I just, I just love the film and I, I had to create my own, I had to create my own wild card category. Cause I feel like sometimes it just ends up being something from your honorable mentions, but I wanted to give myself a defining structure to it.

• 1:19:40Sean Fennessey?

  It's a great pick. CR, you do have a pick now.

• 1:19:43Speaker 05

  I do have a pick now. I'm going to go for.

• 1:19:47Sean Fennessey?

  He's got an interesting draft board.

• 1:19:49Speaker 05

  Dress up. And I'm going to take Digger.

• 1:19:58Speaker 05

  Because

• 1:20:03Speaker 05

  mostly just for like, now I'm drafting for like, when someone sees the graphic of what I picked, they're like, that's just six movies?

• 1:20:14Speaker 05

  Wait a minute.

• 1:20:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, there we go.

• 1:20:17Speaker 05

  They already had that printed up?

• 1:20:19Sean Fennessey?

  Elizabeth, all over it. Love that.

• 1:20:21Speaker 05

  And obviously, I'm talking about plennings here.

• 1:20:25Speaker 05

  The hair. No, I mean, if I have a takeaway from this film, it is knowing, like, he was like, I fixed makeup. I did it. It's 12 hours. I did it in four hours.

• 1:20:38Speaker 05

  You know, and like, his whole, like, I've just transformed myself, when it could have been like exponentially worse, because he's playing a guy dressed as another guy. Like, he actually didn't need to go that hard.

• 1:20:51Sean Fennessey?

  Like, 14 people have seen Digger, so you're you're in spoiler territory.

• 1:20:56Speaker 05

  Okay, I'm sorry if you guys were saving it for streaming.

• 1:21:00Speaker 05

  Anyway, I think it's, it's the greatest, like, contemporary example of makeup and transformation that I could think of. I think House of Gucci would like a word.

• 1:21:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Speaking of birds. Okay, I have two picks. This is pretty straightforward for me. Okay, in other holiday horror, I'm gonna take Midsommar.

• 1:21:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Which I think is my favorite Ari Aster film.

• 1:21:36Speaker 05

  Not Eddington.

• 1:21:38Amanda Dobbins?

  What?

• 1:21:38Speaker 05

  You're saying it's not Eddington?

• 1:21:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I was gonna, I was about to say with respect to Eddington, which I, you know, I enjoy all of them. I just realized as I was talking that my husband has a hereditary t-shirt that I meant to borrow for this draft, and I forgot. And instead, I ordered this off eBay like a dumb

• 1:21:55Speaker 05

  Tremendous upgrade, if I can just interject, in the shirt department.

• 1:22:01Amanda Dobbins?

  This, I guess I saw fairly early on in the horror experience and alternately terrified me the first 30 minutes, which were just extremely bleak and upsetting, and then amused and titillated me for the rest of the time. I have a complicated relationship with the Scandinavian peoples, as long-term listeners of the podcast know. And, you know, I think this puts some things out on the table that are interesting, that we can all talk about.

• 1:22:33Amanda Dobbins?

  But in terms of seeing things that I didn't, you know, the surprise and the shock, and not quite jump scare, but also like, wait, what the fuck just happened? There are several scenes that are quite memorable. And I guess there is some explanation, but to go into the theme of not everything is handed to you on a platter, that certainly stays with, stays with you more. I do think this movie is equal parts funny and unsettling, which is also what I've learned speaks to me in this genre the most. So, you know, and Midsommar is a holiday.

• 1:23:10Speaker 05

  Do you celebrate that as a holiday, Midsommar?

• 1:23:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I threw, I've thrown an Equinox party or two. Not recently, but

• 1:23:17Speaker 05

  If this came out now, in the dress-up era of the podcast, would we see you in a, in a flower crown?

• 1:23:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I mean, I can't be getting it on, in on that level, you know? Then, then that just becomes a whole, it's, it's not my lane, but Florence P. forever.

• 1:23:34Sean Fennessey?

  Is this movie in your Girlboss canon?

• 1:23:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, let's, let's think through that. I mean, maybe in the same way as Carrie in my Girlboss canon, you know?

• 1:23:49Sean Fennessey?

  They both come out on top.

• 1:23:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, sort of.

• 1:23:53Speaker 05

  Sean, you know Carrie's not alive at the end of the movie?

• 1:23:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:56Sean Fennessey?

  Well, that's not true, because she reaches her hand out from the grave

• 1:23:59Speaker 05

  Or does she?

• 1:23:59Sean Fennessey?

  and haunts the dreams of those that she affected.

• 1:24:02Speaker 05

  Yes, yes.

• 1:24:03Sean Fennessey?

  So her legacy lives on.

• 1:24:05Speaker 05

  Okay. She lives to be the subject of an Amazon Prime streaming show.

• 1:24:10Speaker 05

  Some might say a fate worse than betrayal and death.

• 1:24:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I guess I will follow Alex's lead and go in wildcard, even though I don't have a intellectual and sight-appropriate theme to go with my wildcard. I tried to pick Scream in another category. I'll pick it in this one.

• 1:24:38Speaker 05

  The first scream.

• 1:24:39Amanda Dobbins?

  The first scream. I was 12 years old when this came out, and I did not see it in theaters. I remember I watched it in my Aunt Betty's basement, which had a full wall of windows on this side, and I watched it at night.

• 1:24:56Speaker 05

  A basement with windows?

• 1:24:58Amanda Dobbins?

  It was like a finished basement. Yeah, and it was like, my uncle had his office there.

• 1:25:03Sean Fennessey?

  Were the windows looking out into the dirt?

• 1:25:07Sean Fennessey?

  Because it was a basement.

• 1:25:09Amanda Dobbins?

  It was like, in the

• 1:25:12Sean Fennessey?

  It was below ground.

• 1:25:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I do understand that, but I guess on the back, it was open.

• 1:25:17Speaker 05

  Houses can be built on a slope.

• 1:25:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you so much for helping me with that.

• 1:25:22Sean Fennessey?

  Is that what, is that what it was? It was built on a slope?

• 1:25:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, it was.

• 1:25:25Sean Fennessey?

  Give me to the bottom of this story.

• 1:25:27Speaker 05

  Sure. Get the plans for Aunt Betty's house up on the screen.

• 1:25:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Can you, what's the Zillow?

• 1:25:33Amanda Dobbins?

  The dog bed was also down there, and

• 1:25:36Sean Fennessey?

  The dog bed?

• 1:25:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and my uncle's office

• 1:25:40Speaker 05

  Animals that people have as pets.

• 1:25:43Speaker 05

  And they sleep in big soft beds on the floor.

• 1:25:45Sean Fennessey?

  First I'm hearing of this.

• 1:25:46Amanda Dobbins?

  But what I remember is that it was a finished basement, but I was there, I watched it by myself, and everybody else had gone to bed. And I was like, here's what I think is a cool thing to do, is to go downstairs and watch this movie that everybody is talking about.

• 1:25:58Speaker 05

  You want it to be part of the conversation.

• 1:26:00Amanda Dobbins?

  That had, what?

• 1:26:01Speaker 05

  You want it to be part of the conversation.

• 1:26:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that has Drew Barrymore in it, and

• 1:26:05Sean Fennessey?

  Well, for five minutes, yeah.

• 1:26:07Amanda Dobbins?

  It was the five minutes that mattered to your show, you know, it got me in, that Netflix, you know, flavors, so

• 1:26:13Sean Fennessey?

  And they got it out of her.

• 1:26:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I was absolutely scared shitless. I was so, so terrified, and I didn't understand any of the jokes. And I didn't under, you know, and it has been fun to go back and learn all of the references, but that is a movie that, it is, that's a movie for cinephiles, right? It is made out of love of everything that came before it, and trying to digest it and recreate it for people exactly my age at that time. So it worked very well. I've enjoyed most of the sequels, with varying degrees of success, but yeah, original Scream.

• 1:26:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you.

• 1:26:50Speaker 05

  So, I gotta draft Halloween movies for kids. The reason why I was asking about like, where this movie, this category could go, like, you know, intellectually, is because I did watch this movie with two children. But I wouldn't say that was smart. You know, I wouldn't say that that was like, healthy modeling of responsible behavior, but can I have Blair Witch Project here?

• 1:27:24Speaker 05

  Just because you watched it with kids doesn't mean it's for kids. They asked. They were like, I've heard about this movie, and we were like, well, actually, they didn't ask. We told them about it.

• 1:27:33Sean Fennessey?

  Were these like, just, like, two kids you found on the street and brought back to your house?

• 1:27:38Speaker 05

  Working at a 7-Eleven. I was like, you guys seen Blair Witch Project? Lots of kids They were like, hey dude, will you buy us a pack of beer? And you were like, yes, but you gotta come to my house. I watched this fountain project. No, it was, my good friend's two daughters, and they're, they are burgeoning horror fans. They watch like lots of horror movies. How old are they? One, at the time, was a senior in high school. The other was like a freshman in high school. No, these are not, these are not kids. Are you gonna say no? I'm fucking up here. I can say Blair Witch if I want.

• 1:28:09Sean Fennessey?

  The actual crowd that loves you is like, nah, bro.

• 1:28:11Speaker 05

  They were like, okay, I think it was like junior or eighth grade. They hadn't seen it. I didn't see this on Sean's list of movies for kids.

• 1:28:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's because I'm That's not the definitive list. We're all being creative, but I don't, I'm sorry.

• 1:28:24Speaker 05

  You don't think I can have this? Unanimously no.

• 1:28:28Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think that there was a single person working on the Blair Witch Project that was like, five-year-olds are gonna love this.

• 1:28:36Speaker 05

  Well, how are we defining, all right.

• 1:28:41Sean Fennessey?

  Just go to your wildcard and come, you've seen Ghostbusters, you could have taken that.

• 1:28:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, but like, I had this Blair Witch anecdote all the way.

• 1:28:50Speaker 05

  Uh, let me take, I don't know, man. I really She's led to have, what did you do? Took a scream, screaming?

• 1:29:00Sean Fennessey?

  It's in wildcard.

• 1:29:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Scream, it's in wildcard.

• 1:29:01Sean Fennessey?

  Wildcard is kind of an open

• 1:29:03Speaker 05

  Just to keep things moving, in holiday horror, I'll take Maniac Cop, which takes place on St. Patrick's Day.

• 1:29:14Speaker 05

  And this is a film that says, instead of all cops being bastards, what if they were maniacs?

• 1:29:23Speaker 05

  Undead cops who were carved to pieces in Sing Sing, but came back to life to terrorize the New York Police Department. This is a 1988 film. Our second film drafted tonight starring Tom Adkins.

• 1:29:34Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 1:29:36Speaker 05

  This would be Bill Lustig? Yeah, this is, yeah, and.

• 1:29:40Sean Fennessey?

  Written by Larry Cohen, right?

• 1:29:42Speaker 05

  And it takes place on St. Patrick's Day. It culminates on St. Patrick's Day where Sam Raimi delivers a direct to camera TV report about how violence is marring New York City. And people weren't going to show up to the St. Patrick's Day parade, but they all came together to come out. And it's just a great, great little family film, but I'm going to put it in, in holiday horror.

• 1:30:06Sean Fennessey?

  What's your relationship to St. Patrick's Day?

• 1:30:08Speaker 05

  Uh, it's pretty like busman's holiday for a guy named Ryan. You know, it's like every day is St. Patrick's Day kind of thing. Do you know?

• 1:30:17Sean Fennessey?

  I do.

• 1:30:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:18Sean Fennessey?

  I do.

• 1:30:19Speaker 05

  Sean, how's your, how's your leprechaun fanfiction going based on the leprechaun franchise?

• 1:30:24Sean Fennessey?

  I'm living it every day.

• 1:30:27Speaker 05

  Chris's line is looking pretty wild.

• 1:30:31Speaker 05

  Starts very strong and.

• 1:30:33Sean Fennessey?

  The most.

• 1:30:34Amanda Dobbins?

  That's the CR.

• 1:30:35Sean Fennessey?

  Brilliant canonical horror film of all time.

• 1:30:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:38Sean Fennessey?

  And then some other stuff.

• 1:30:41Speaker 05

  Is it Amanda?

• 1:30:42Sean Fennessey?

  You're up, Alex.

• 1:30:42Speaker 05

  It's me? Yeah.

• 1:30:45Speaker 05

  Okay, well, for takes place on Halloween.

• 1:30:51Speaker 05

  I, I mean, I. Trick or treat's on the board.

• 1:30:55Sean Fennessey?

  It is.

• 1:30:56Speaker 05

  Which is surprising.

• 1:30:57Sean Fennessey?

  It is.

• 1:30:58Speaker 05

  But I kind of feel like making, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, you're the historian, draft history, potentially. Maybe someone's done this, I don't know. And drafting a movie I made, VHS Halloween. Oh shit.

• 1:31:13Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:31:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow. I like it.

• 1:31:15Speaker 05

  Which I'm a segment director and I made, I made a sixth of the movie.

• 1:31:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:19Speaker 05

  But I really liked the movie.

• 1:31:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:31:21Speaker 05

  And I really liked my contribution to it. And I just think it'd be funny to pick a movie you made.

• 1:31:29Speaker 05

  I like this.

• 1:31:29Sean Fennessey?

  But I can't have Blair Witch for kids.

• 1:31:30Speaker 05

  This is good.

• 1:31:33Speaker 05

  And.

• 1:31:34Sean Fennessey?

  Everyone who's not a horror fan should go home tonight and just watch Alex's entry in VHS Halloween, which is evil. In a great way.

• 1:31:46Speaker 05

  In a way, yeah.

• 1:31:47Sean Fennessey?

  In a great way.

• 1:31:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, I just was compelled to see if, you know, drafting your own, your own work.

• 1:31:52Sean Fennessey?

  100%.

• 1:31:52Speaker 05

  But it's also.

• 1:31:53Sean Fennessey?

  Scorsese did draft a few of his movies on the show once.

• 1:31:56Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:31:56Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:56Speaker 05

  I must've missed that episode.

• 1:31:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:58Speaker 05

  Was that recorded or?

• 1:31:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, no, we'll put it out soon.

• 1:32:00Speaker 05

  Okay. Did you have that after Dr. ET med, medded you up?

• 1:32:08Sean Fennessey?

  Me and Marty drafting movies quietly.

• 1:32:10Speaker 05

  Care hallucinating about.

• 1:32:11Sean Fennessey?

  In Amanda's basement with windows. Yeah.

• 1:32:14Amanda Dobbins?

  It was by Aunt Petty's.

• 1:32:16Speaker 05

  So yeah, I'm drafting this. This is, I think it was, it was, I think the eighth or possibly the ninth installment of Shudder's still ongoing, popular VHS franchise. It was a dream come true to get to work on it. You had me on the show to talk about it. And you know, I'm sure Trick or Treat is a well, you know, much more widely seen film, but if you make the second best Halloween omnibus, that's not bad. And yeah, I had fun making it. And I think people really liked it. Like, I think it kind of connected with the genre fans and was, you know, popular among horror, horror nuts last October. And hopefully becomes a perennial, you know, it becomes a rewatchable Halloween staple.

• 1:32:57Sean Fennessey?

  It's a great pick.

• 1:32:58Speaker 05

  Awesome pick.

• 1:33:02Speaker 05

  You got two here, big dog.

• 1:33:05Sean Fennessey?

  Other Halloween horror, I'll take Black Christmas, which is actually predates Halloween and is really, if you're setting aside stuff like Psycho and Peeping Tom, really the birthplace of the slasher movement made by Canadian filmmaker Bob Clark. That is a genuinely upsetting, scary, intense movie that takes place where masked killer is killing sorority girls over Christmas break.

• 1:33:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:33:34Sean Fennessey?

  That has been remade several times.

• 1:33:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Why are they at college over Christmas break?

• 1:33:37Sean Fennessey?

  They stay, they're staying at home. You know, it's kind of like me where I kind of go see my family over Christmas, you know, but hopefully nobody kills me. But like a genuinely groundbreaking movie that it's interesting that like they got, we got to Black Christmas before Halloween. Like someone thought we should make a scary Christmas movie years before thinking that Halloween could be the scariest possible text. And then John Carpenter comes along and kind of claims this entire genre is like, if not his invention, he seems to be the master of it. But it's an amazing movie, very, very scary, still very effective to this day.

• 1:34:11Speaker 05

  Have you seen this, Amanda?

• 1:34:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no.

• 1:34:13Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:34:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I'm just sorry.

• 1:34:15Sean Fennessey?

  You should watch it. I think you would admire it.

• 1:34:18Speaker 05

  She's not gonna do that.

• 1:34:19Sean Fennessey?

  Heavy breathing.

• 1:34:21Amanda Dobbins?

  I was thinking like, maybe if I watched Alex's VHS segment, like with Alex.

• 1:34:27Speaker 05

  Yeah. Watch it tonight.

• 1:34:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:30Speaker 05

  I think you honestly would be incredibly disturbed by Alex's thing.

• 1:34:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:34:34Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's also about Philadelphia.

• 1:34:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:34:36Speaker 05

  Yeah. Especially when contrasting with my jovial personality, we're enjoying now, the depravity of it was, was quite fond to revel in. Sean, your picks are all really landing like in a, in a pretty narrow span of time here.

• 1:34:49Sean Fennessey?

  So I'm going to pick something that's a little bit more recent for Dress Up, which is, I like, I had a crazy emotional reaction to this when I saw it, which is I'm going to pick X, the Ty West, first installment of his Pearl trilogy.

• 1:35:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:35:03Sean Fennessey?

  Because for those of you who haven't seen this movie, I'm sorry to spoil it for you, but it's one of the great reveals in recent movie history, which is Mia Goth plays a group, a woman who goes on a road trip to make a porno in a, in a local farmhouse. And as you do.

• 1:35:19Speaker 05

  It's like you're narrating a Ken Burns movie.

• 1:35:22Sean Fennessey?

  She's there with her boyfriend, who's a filmmaker, some fellow actors, and things go crazy and it becomes a slasher. And it turns out that the house that she's staying in is owned and occupied by a very old couple. And the old woman is played by Mia Goth. And we did not know this when the movie came out. And I'm very sorry to spoil it for you, but I was like blown away by the wonder of her transformation and performance as a deranged old woman, which anytime an old woman is killing a lot of people, that's also very entertaining. See Weapons. But I think this is like one of the great horror movie performances of recent time. She's also really, Mia Goth's also really great as the young actress. But

• 1:36:04Sean Fennessey?

  the actual transformation and, you know, you know Ty, he's a friend of yours. Like this was a great magic trick in a movie that I really like.

• 1:36:11Speaker 05

  There's no spoiling this. People have had time to see. Have you seen, you've seen all three of these, right?

• 1:36:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I've seen all three of them.

• 1:36:16Speaker 05

  I feel like this was kind of part of your horror awakening.

• 1:36:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And I remember Pearl is my favorite of the three. And Pearl, when I watch it, I was like, oh, I actually, there are things in this genre that I can enjoy and that are, that are funny. And I, you know, I liked the reveal as well, but you know, the, the seventies porn in a barn, like I get it, but.

• 1:36:35Sean Fennessey?

  What's wrong with that?

• 1:36:38Speaker 05

  Do you mean not enough windows?

• 1:36:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:44Speaker 05

  So Dress Up's done.

• 1:36:46Sean Fennessey?

  Dress Up is done.

• 1:36:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:47Sean Fennessey?

  We're back to CR. Back to a normal board for CR.

• 1:36:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Aren't we back to Alex again?

• 1:36:53Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, sorry, Alex.

• 1:36:55Speaker 05

  All right. So I only have the categories that I, there was no rush on because they filled up right away. I'll do Stephen King and I'll take Pet Sematary, which is, is, you know, Mount Rushmore level King book and film. And Zelda in Pet Sematary was probably my other strong contender for makeup and transformation. A truly horrifying moment that everyone who were, you know, every time someone saw it for the first time, they were shocked by the presentation of this character. And yeah, I think a lot of people cite Pet Sematary as one of their favorite King books. I think he'll often say, it's like my most upsetting, deals with terrible things. Did he like this movie? I can't, I don't. The first movie? Yeah. Yeah, I love it. That's why I drafted it.

• 1:37:38Speaker 05

  No, did he? Did Stephen King? He's often weighed in on his own. I don't know. I don't know, actually. Did you like this movie? Alex, I thought you were. Do you know why you're here? Accusing me of beating around the bush. I don't know if he likes it. Let's ask him. Let's bring him out.

• 1:37:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, I just feel like it's, it's really canonically great. It's a great movie of that era. Like, I think a lot of people remember being pretty scared by this one.

• 1:38:08Speaker 05

  And yeah, I mean, what else can you say about it? Be careful. Sometimes dead is better. Yeah. The tagline, cats coming back, children coming back. If the cat comes back, that's, that's just a bad sign. Yeah. But like, you know, not that this isn't spoilers, the opening sighting incident of the movie, but like anytime there's like a, a road with trucks on it that a kid can run onto. If you've seen this movie and you have kids or you know them or like them, you're like.

• 1:38:34Sean Fennessey?

  Like Chris at that 7-Eleven.

• 1:38:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, we can't, we can't let this turn into a Pet Sematary situation.

• 1:38:39Sean Fennessey?

  Come over to my house to watch the Blair Witch. Don't run in the street.

• 1:38:43Speaker 05

  Sean, you like when people tell like, well, you know, you had your anecdote about a doctor, Amanda's anecdote about the hayride, Chris's about the children who he showed Blair Witch to. I'll give a brief anecdote, Adventures in Hollywood. And maybe after I say this, someone can take this off of IMDB is that, and I was, I successfully made two failed Stephen King scripts. One was an adaptation of a short story and one was a remake of The Dark Half, which was made by George Romero in the early nineties. I'm going to pause for you to say one of your catchphrases now. To you at the movies? Recently reissued. Oh, yeah.

• 1:39:22Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, by Vinegar Syndrome and a beautiful 4K. That's right.

• 1:39:25Speaker 05

  Beautiful 4K. Thank you.

• 1:39:26Sean Fennessey?

  It does look nice. I haven't seen it.

• 1:39:27Speaker 05

  Not, not, not a beloved film and not a successful adaptation of the, of the novel necessarily.

• 1:39:33Sean Fennessey?

  Great psychedelic ending, though.

• 1:39:35Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:39:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:35Speaker 05

  Which is from the book. And I was at one point hired by MGM who made the original to remake it. And I had a take on how to do it and how to sort of like make it different, but also successfully crack the book in, in a way that was fun. And worked on it for years. MGM was in the process of being bought by Amazon. This is before we learned that mergers are bad. And you know, like the script was done and we were. The guys who deliver stuff? That's amazing.

• 1:40:10Speaker 05

  And like, casting was happening successfully. The Amazon merger was looming. I was talking to the producer who I'd been working on this with for like a year and a half. Now, when I get to the end of the story, just remember when you're like, reading the news and it's like, X company hit by layoffs and you on the show were like, ah, man, you know, I hate to see executives out of work, producers out of work. Keep that and keep the rest of this story in mind. So we're on this call and they're like, so, so the, the, the main character in the book is a, is a novelist by the name of Thad Beaumont. And in the original film, he's played by, um, what's his name from Ordinary People? Tim Hutton. And they were like, who, who do you see for this? And

• 1:40:53Speaker 05

  I was like, Jesse Plemons, that kind of, like a dude, not like, not like a pretty boy or like a movie star, like a dude. And they were like, yeah, I think Amazon would really want like a star. What about like a Benedict Cumberbatch or a Jake Gyllenhaal? And I was like, I just want like a dude, like a dude who seems like he's an alcoholic writer, not an actor playing an alcoholic writer. It's like a guy who's like a real guy. That's my kind of sweet spot. And they were like, all right, well, um, you know, the woman at Amazon, I know her well. I think they're really excited about this. Let me call her right now. And I never heard from this producer again. Ever. Not a, hey, just wanted to say sorry or like, hey, so Amazon has officially like,

• 1:41:37Speaker 05

  I never heard from him again. Did you like text him? No. Hey, man? I don't do that. I wait for people that I'm working with to come to me with bad news. Okay. I don't chase bad news. Somewhere in America, this guy could be on stage doing a podcast, telling the exact same stories, like, and then he never called me back. Alex Ross Berry. He's, he's. We had Plemons. I don't want to say, he's, he's a good, he was a good guy. He was a good producer.

• 1:42:02Sean Fennessey?

  It sounds like the project is not dead.

• 1:42:04Speaker 05

  Um, I beg to, this, this was four years ago. It's not a no, though. So I would like people to stop asking me if this is happening. And it could have been good, but if you want a little insight into how Hollywood works, pretty much all the time, it's somebody ending a casting call with complete enthusiasm and then vanishing forever. But, you know, the check's cleared.

• 1:42:27Sean Fennessey?

  It's kind of a Stephen King horror story in and of itself.

• 1:42:29Speaker 05

  Beautiful. That's my own adventures in the screen trade.

• 1:42:33Sean Fennessey?

  CR, I don't know how you're gonna follow that.

• 1:42:36Speaker 05

  Uh, I guess I take Karate Kid and Four Kids. Top that. Uh, it takes place during Halloween. Fuck off. If I can't have Blair Witch, which I watched with minors, then I get to have a movie that says kid in the title and takes place during Halloween. Chris, no one uses the word minors in a positive context. No one describes actions they did with, with them.

• 1:43:18Speaker 05

  Every movie from now on, we have to say, did you watch this with a minor? Uh, look, this is a great film.

• 1:43:25Sean Fennessey?

  I like how Elizabeth accepted that and she was just like, the card's coming out. We gotta keep going.

• 1:43:29Speaker 05

  The lights are gonna, like, all the lights go on. Karate Kid. I only, this is about a kid, uh.

• 1:43:36Sean Fennessey?

  Can you explain yourself?

• 1:43:39Speaker 05

  And, you know, he's, he's at a bit of a crossroads in his life and he learns karate and fights off town bullies and sweeps the leg and then like, you know, 22 years later, we're talking about it right here on stage.

• 1:43:53Sean Fennessey?

  Did you learn how to do karate?

• 1:43:55Speaker 05

  I've nev-, I never did that. I never did martial arts. Why are you so fat? Because I always am suspicious about people who are like, Brown Bell. And it's just like, who's checking your work? And I also think dojos are like suspiciously like upgrading. Like, they're like, yeah, Brown Bell. It's like, let's see you get in a fucking fight, big dog. Like, how many people have ever used karate outside of movies about karate?

• 1:44:22Sean Fennessey?

  Honestly, you're, when people hear this, you're just gonna get cranked, kicked on the street. It's gonna be like, I know karate, dickhead.

• 1:44:31Speaker 05

  This is a big thing in the eighties where it was just like, oh, this kid's taking karate. You're just shifting the whole martial arts vote to Tracy right now. I think they were already there. So, uh, yeah, Karate Kid.

• 1:44:46Sean Fennessey?

  Very interesting pick, Chris. Amanda, you've got your final two picks, right?

• 1:44:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, my final two picks.

• 1:44:52Sean Fennessey?

  You guys can go home soon, I promise.

• 1:44:55Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess, yeah. I also have Halloween movies for kids left and I, you know.

• 1:45:01Sean Fennessey?

  Blair Witch Project, not eligible.

• 1:45:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, I, as, as I hinted earlier by accident, I'm obviously gonna take Casper. Uh, yeah. Honestly, the only two things, words I need to say here are Devon Sawa. And if you know, you know, do you know who Devon Sawa is, Chris Ryan?

• 1:45:19Speaker 05

  Yeah. From, he's in Final Destination, right?

• 1:45:22Sean Fennessey?

  He certainly is.

• 1:45:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay. Well, that's great.

• 1:45:24Speaker 05

  FD. And Idle Hands, right?

• 1:45:28Sean Fennessey?

  And Idle Hands, yeah. He's a, he's a, he's a final boy.

• 1:45:31Speaker 05

  He's like the Tom Atkins of this generation.

• 1:45:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm glad to see that he grew up.

• 1:45:35Sean Fennessey?

  Do you know about the flaw in Death's Design? Are you familiar with that?

• 1:45:38Amanda Dobbins?

  You know what? I do because I saw with you this sequence from the most recent one with the MRI machine.

• 1:45:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Final Destination: Bloodlines, which absolutely rocked.

• 1:45:46Amanda Dobbins?

  You know? Okay, so.

• 1:45:49Speaker 05

  Did you watch Casper with, with, with the kids?

• 1:45:52Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I actually did watch that like by myself while, while everyone else was asleep. I rewatched it.

• 1:45:57Sean Fennessey?

  Were you in bed?

• 1:45:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Rewatched it. No, as I said.

• 1:46:01Sean Fennessey?

  Just checking.

• 1:46:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, and then I have movies that take place on Halloween and I, I, I'm sorry to be sentimental here. I'm, I'm gonna take Marriage Story. Uh, the Noah Baumbach movie, which features not one, but two crucial Halloween scenes. And it is about how the Adam Driver character, Halloween is really what brings him away from his family and then back to, to them in a, in a different way. And it's very beautiful. And what? It's, it sure is.

• 1:46:37Speaker 05

  We didn't have The Exorcist, but we had Marriage Story.

• 1:46:39Sean Fennessey?

  Welcome to the big picture.

• 1:46:42Amanda Dobbins?

  And, you know, I'm, listen, I'm gearing up to go trick or treating in a, on a Los Angeles street, not unlike the very charming one depicted at the end of that film. And I, I gotta get my game face on. I gotta get my heart into the spirit of the thing. And this movie reminds me why. So I'm gonna put on a stupid hat and, and take my kids trick or treating.

• 1:47:05Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely. Do you have one more pick?

• 1:47:11Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I don't.

• 1:47:12Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, no, that was your last one. I forgot. Okay, CR, you have one last pick, which is now Wild Card.

• 1:47:17Speaker 05

  Uh, I guess I will take Trick or Treat, just to, to summarize this entire evening. Michael Dougherty's anthology film of a series of interconnected sort of short stories that are grotesque and funny and all taking place on Halloween night. And it's just like a really enjoyable annual watch for, for me, almost semi annual watch, I would say. And I highly recommend it for anybody going home being like, what should we watch? It's like, you can get a bunch of different slices of horror from, from this movie.

• 1:47:48Sean Fennessey?

  Did you get, did you get that 4K?

• 1:47:49Speaker 05

  Uh, I didn't yet. Thanks, dog. Good, good heads up.

• 1:47:52Sean Fennessey?

  Just check it out. Have you seen this, Amanda?

• 1:47:55Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but I was texting a good friend for last minute recommendations for this draft and he just sent me the image. And I was like, oh yeah, that, that guy.

• 1:48:04Speaker 05

  Of Sam.

• 1:48:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Is that's, he didn't specify the name.

• 1:48:08Speaker 05

  Little Sam.

• 1:48:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Sam, yeah. Okay.

• 1:48:09Speaker 05

  The spirit of Halloween.

• 1:48:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. Well, indeed.

• 1:48:12Sean Fennessey?

  Kind of a modern classic.

• 1:48:14Speaker 05

  Yeah. It just sort of was a complete failure. I don't like, it was barely released. It should have had like five sequels. And then over the years just became everyone's kind of favorite rewatch.

• 1:48:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:24Speaker 05

  80 minutes long. You can just get it in there whenever.

• 1:48:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Amazing that they had a Marriage Story card, but not Scream and The Exorcist.

• 1:48:32Speaker 05

  Well, Marriage Story was on Sean's list.

• 1:48:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay. Well.

• 1:48:36Sean Fennessey?

  I prepared well.

• 1:48:37Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 1:48:37Sean Fennessey?

  Alex, you've got your final pick, which is in the Halloween franchise.

• 1:48:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:48:43Sean Fennessey?

  So where are you gonna go here? You have a lot of options.

• 1:48:45Speaker 05

  Yeah. Now, I will say, I texted everybody, I just watched the only Halloween film I'd never seen. And you were like, what is it? This was a month ago. And I said, we're gonna, I'm gonna save that. I'm not gonna answer that. Now, Sean, we're text messaging.

• 1:48:56Sean Fennessey?

  You're gonna pick it?

• 1:48:57Speaker 05

  No, I'm not gonna pick Halloween Resurrection, which is directed by.

• 1:49:01Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't hear what you said.

• 1:49:03Speaker 05

  I'm not gonna pick Halloween Resurrection, which was the one I'd never seen.

• 1:49:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:49:06Speaker 05

  Which is directed by.

• 1:49:07Sean Fennessey?

  Rick Rosenthal.

• 1:49:07Speaker 05

  Rick Rosenthal, director of Halloween 2.

• 1:49:09Sean Fennessey?

  Him returning to the franchise.

• 1:49:09Speaker 05

  Yeah. Um, which is awful. Terrible. Like, I'd never seen. That's the Big Brother house one? Yeah.

• 1:49:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's the Paul Rudd one, right? No, yeah, no, sorry. You're, that's the later one. Yeah.

• 1:49:18Speaker 05

  What'd you say?

• 1:49:19Sean Fennessey?

  I thought it was the Paul Rudd one, but it's not the Paul Rudd one.

• 1:49:21Speaker 05

  The Paul Rudd one is Halloween 6, Kirsten Michael Myers, which I am taking.

• 1:49:24Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:49:26Speaker 05

  Producers Cut.

• 1:49:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:28Speaker 05

  Which I finally watched, um, which I finally watched. I have Halloween 6 on tape, but I had never seen The Producers Cut. And I, for those who don't know, Halloween 6 is a dimension films, movie from the nineties. Um, and I must note, Producers Cut. And it was much, you know, Sean, you're, you don't like the Weinstein's. You'll appreciate this. They fucked with the movie.

• 1:49:48Sean Fennessey?

  That's what they did.

• 1:49:50Speaker 05

  And it was heavily reshoot and there was this long fabled, better cut of the movie that was available in bootlegs. Um, and then some years ago, it was sort of restored and it's put out on the Shout! Factory Halloween box set. And now it's much more widely seen. And everybody who sees it is like, oh, that's the movie. And A, I love the kind of slick nineties, it's just before Scream. So this genre is in the gutter. I love the slick nineties, just dimension films, quality of this film.

• 1:50:19Sean Fennessey?

  It sort of succinctly completes this loose trilogy of four and five, which is initially about Jamie, Jamie Lynn, is that her name?

• 1:50:29Speaker 05

  Jamie Lloyd?

• 1:50:31Sean Fennessey?

  Jamie Lloyd.

• 1:50:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:50:33Sean Fennessey?

  Michael Myers' niece, allegedly, who in the four and five is a child who is attacked, survives, becomes mute, gets her speech back. And then in this one is older and gives birth to a son who we later learn is conceived under demonic influence.

• 1:50:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:50:50Sean Fennessey?

  Michael Myers, it turns out, in a way that I really like, that I think actually folds Halloween three into the franchise, turns out to be a sort of entity that is under druidic control by a man named Thorn, who has a druidic symbol on his, on his arm. And you've seen him in Halloween.

• 1:51:07Speaker 05

  Briefly in five.

• 1:51:07Sean Fennessey?

  You've seen him in five.

• 1:51:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:51:09Sean Fennessey?

  And then six is made, Amanda is just singing the Ghostbusters theme in her head right now. You watched this movie, Amanda.

• 1:51:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I watched four, five and six in one day.

• 1:51:19Sean Fennessey?

  The best day possible.

• 1:51:20Amanda Dobbins?

  By the way, I did watch season bet while sick and I was really, really angry.

• 1:51:24Sean Fennessey?

  You just described every sick day I had from like 1994 to 2005. What'd you think? How was your day watching the Thorn trilogy, the Jamie trilogy?

• 1:51:37Sean Fennessey?

  And rank them.

• 1:51:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. Well, I thought the little girl was pretty good.

• 1:51:42Sean Fennessey?

  She was great.

• 1:51:42Amanda Dobbins?

  So when she disappeared in six, that was tough. And then I did observe that this is the same year that Paul Rudd was also in Clueless.

• 1:51:52Amanda Dobbins?

  I would say that Clueless is the better film of the two released that year starring Paul Rudd. So I guess.

• 1:52:00Sean Fennessey?

  Paul Stephen Rudd is he's credited with.

• 1:52:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Four, five, six.

• 1:52:04Sean Fennessey?

  That's your ranking.

• 1:52:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Probably.

• 1:52:05Sean Fennessey?

  They just go down for you.

• 1:52:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:07Sean Fennessey?

  That's fair, but you should watch The Producers Cut.

• 1:52:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:52:10Sean Fennessey?

  So it restores a lot of the more outlandish cult elements of the way that Michael Myers is being summoned and controlled by this Thorn figure. The eventual fate of Jamie is really horrifying in this movie, but it's sort of cool the way it's like restored in The Producers Cut. The end is insane.

• 1:52:29Speaker 05

  Don't they like build his house again, right?

• 1:52:32Sean Fennessey?

  Rudd lives across the street and the girl, the family that's living in the house is like the brother of the, it's like you knew from your, your brother couldn't sell this house, so he gave it to you. And that's why we live in this cursed house. Anyway, I just thought The Producers Cut really lived up to the hype of like, they fixed this movie.

• 1:52:55Speaker 05

  I thought that the end was like some sort of like Loomis rebuilds Michael's childhood home.

• 1:53:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Like Disclosure Day.

• 1:53:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:02Amanda Dobbins?

  That's right.

• 1:53:03Sean Fennessey?

  No, Loomis is there.

• 1:53:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Loomis is there. I almost started singing Sweet Escape just then.

• 1:53:08Sean Fennessey?

  The end is a sort of cult ceremony surrounding the offspring. This is a movie that exists that you can watch. Yes. That people can go home tonight and watch. Yeah. Okay. I just really was taken with this, because Sean, see, you don't, you don't fuck with like bootlegs, like. I'm so glad we invited you. You don't fuck with this stuff. You want the official release only. If it's a bootleg.

• 1:53:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, you don't like fan edits either, right?

• 1:53:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, see, I'm fucking with fan edits now. Like when people say like, digital creators are taking over Hollywood, I'm like, the people who re-edit horror movies to include their deleted scenes? Great. Give those people some jobs because that's, so that's what a lot of people do. They'll take their favorite deleted scenes that are gory and then they'll put them back in the movie and they'll post it for everyone on Google Drive.

• 1:53:54Speaker 05

  Those guys would call you back about the dark half.

• 1:53:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Now they're, now they're thinking they fucked up. But yeah, I thought this was really solid, really an excellent film. Sean, you don't like, you don't like these three films. I don't, I don't. And we, that was the longest jag about a movie that was drafted tonight.

• 1:54:14Amanda Dobbins?

  You guys know about Sour Strips?

• 1:54:15Sean Fennessey?

  Great job. I have the final pick of the night and in wildcard, I'm just gonna rep for The Sandman and take Hubie Halloween.

• 1:54:27Sean Fennessey?

  Which is roughly nine hours long, available on the Netflix streaming service. And I fucking loved it. I was in absolute heaven. I felt like I was 11 years old all over again when I saw this very silly Adam Sandler family comedy. I can't wait to show it to my family. I've seen it twice.

• 1:54:46Speaker 05

  Producers Cut or the?

• 1:54:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, and Thorn is in that and he does some, he gets up to some stuff in there. Him and Hubie are doing some demonic druidic rituals. No, it's just a charming movie about a small town with some very arcane and strange rules about trick or treating. And I think it's a delight. And I'm not gonna say anything more about Hubie Halloween because we've spoken for so long. Yeah. A couple, a couple quick honorable mentions.

• 1:55:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you have any? You're capped at two and I'm gonna start running this timer like they do on Moscow three sets, okay? You ready? Here we go. Yeah, someone got that reference.

• 1:55:21Sean Fennessey?

  For Astrid's sake, I just wanna say Wallace and Gromit, Curse of the Were Rabbit. Great movie. Very good. Huge, huge favorite in our house.

• 1:55:30Sean Fennessey?

  And you're saying I only get to say one more thing, Amanda?

• 1:55:32Speaker 05

  There's a lot of great, Coraline, Corpse Bride, Monster Squad.

• 1:55:37Sean Fennessey?

  Have any of your kids watched?

• 1:55:38Speaker 05

  Hocus Pocus, of course.

• 1:55:39Sean Fennessey?

  Have your kids watched Frankenweenie?

• 1:55:41Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:55:41Sean Fennessey?

  Frankenweenie, that's a good one. Astrid was so not into this movie. Okay. She was very upset by it. She didn't like that it was in black and white. She didn't like that the dogs.

• 1:55:47Speaker 05

  These are all kids movies we're talking about?

• 1:55:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. You haven't seen any of these movies.

• 1:55:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:55:50Sean Fennessey?

  I just was like, what are we doing? Did you watch, did you watch Scooby Doo as a kid?

• 1:55:55Speaker 05

  Like it was on, like briefly.

• 1:55:57Sean Fennessey?

  And then I started watching sports.

• 1:55:58Speaker 05

  It was on briefly?

• 1:56:01Speaker 05

  Then I started crushing tape.

• 1:56:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:06Speaker 05

  Hell House, LLC, come on. Like what about like truly deranged shit? Like, don't you want?

• 1:56:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Sue, no one drafted Blair Witch because you weren't allowed to put it in Movies for Kids?

• 1:56:18Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:56:19Amanda Dobbins?

  That, that's a good movie.

• 1:56:20Speaker 05

  That's a great movie.

• 1:56:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, that was the wrong category.

• 1:56:23Sean Fennessey?

  You didn't draft Terrifier or Terrifier two?

• 1:56:26Speaker 05

  No, I didn't.

• 1:56:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:27Speaker 05

  I didn't.

• 1:56:28Sean Fennessey?

  Art's on the outside looking in tonight.

• 1:56:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Technically Jaws could have been available for other holiday horror, right?

• 1:56:35Sean Fennessey?

  Sure. It certainly could.

• 1:56:36Speaker 05

  So I know what you did last summer, July 4th, a big, big holiday.

• 1:56:40Sean Fennessey?

  Also Lustig's Uncle Sam. That's right. A July 4th slasher. Yeah, what's up with this? There's a lot of these. Lot of movies that take place on Halloween. Night of the Demons, House of a Thousand Corpses, it made this favorite, Arsenic and Old Lace. Amanda, did you watch the Rob Zombie Halloweens?

• 1:56:56Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:56:56Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:56:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, there's only so much time in the day.

• 1:57:01Sean Fennessey?

  Fair.

• 1:57:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I wanted to do The Strangers in Wildcard, which is the scariest movie that Sean has assigned me in the last several years of watching horrors movies. It's very good. And let's see. Also, I didn't do Mean Girls for movies that take place on Halloween because I did it in the Canada draft, but obviously that's, you know, very important.

• 1:57:24Sean Fennessey?

  My other wildcard options were Body Snatchers 78, Burnt Offerings and The Fog.

• 1:57:31Amanda Dobbins?

  All right, we just hit two minutes. We're good. Two minutes.

• 1:57:35Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, we're going to put a QR code up right now and you can vote in real time.

• 1:57:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Should we read what we drafted while people are voting?

• 1:57:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, we should. And Amanda, you'll start reading first.

• 1:57:49Amanda Dobbins?

  In Halloween franchise, I did Halloween H2O 20 years later. In movies that take place on Halloween, Marriage Story. In dress up or radical costume makeup transformation, Beetlejuice. In Stephen King adaptation, Carrie 1976. In Halloween movies for kids, Casper. In holiday horror, Midsommar. And in wildcard, Scream.

• 1:58:09Sean Fennessey?

  CR.

• 1:58:10Speaker 05

  In Halloween franchise, I took Halloween, the original. In takes place on Halloween, I took The Guest. In dress up, I took Digger.

• 1:58:20Speaker 05

  In Stephen King, I took Maximum Overdrive for kids, Karate Kid. Holiday horror, St. Patrick's Day classic, Maniac Cop. And in wildcard, Trick or Treat.

• 1:58:33Sean Fennessey?

  Alex. Halloween franchise, Halloween six, The Curse of Michael Myers, The Producers Cut.

• 1:58:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:58:39Sean Fennessey?

  Takes place on Halloween, VHS Halloween. Dress up makeup transformations, Reagan and the Exorcist. Stephen King adaptations, Pet Sematary. For kids, The Nightmare Before Christmas. Holiday horror, July 4th Weekend, Return of the Living Dead. Wildcard, Northern California classic, The Birds.

• 1:58:58Sean Fennessey?

  For Halloween franchise, I took Halloween three, Season of the Witch. In takes place on Halloween, I took ET. Thanks to that doctor. In dress up, I took X. In Stephen King adaptation, I took The Shining. For kids, I took Ghostbusters. For holiday horror, I took Black Christmas. And for wildcard, I took Hubie Halloween. I like that these cards, the ET and The Shining cards are in the correct color of their respective box art and logos. Our events team here is not fucking around.

• 1:59:25Amanda Dobbins?

  All right, Jack, we ready?

• 1:59:28Sean Fennessey?

  That happens that quickly?

• 1:59:30Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm ready. You got the results? Indeed, I do. Okay. In fourth place, with roughly 17% of the vote, Alex Ross Perry. Oh, wow. Guys, you flew all the way across the country.

• 1:59:42Sean Fennessey?

  Even for The Birds? Damn.

• 1:59:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. In third place, with 18 and a half percent, Christopher Ryan. Oh, wow.

• 1:59:50Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:59:50Amanda Dobbins?

  You ready? This is the first time you've ever gotten to do this. Okay, it's the Miss America.

• 1:59:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you ready?

• 1:59:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:59:58Sean Fennessey?

  Both of our hands are sweating right now.

• 2:00:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Can you stand back because this is, yeah, there we go.

• 2:00:01Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I forgot my heels.

• 2:00:04Amanda Dobbins?

  In second place, with 24 and a half percent of the vote, Sean Fantasy. Oh, my God. Which means Amanda Dobbins has won yet again.

• 2:00:16Amanda Dobbins?

  You're all humoring me and you just wanna go home, but I say thank you.

• 2:00:23Amanda Dobbins?

  How's it feel, fellas?

• 2:00:29Speaker 05

  I can't believe she won. She fully disassociated for the last 35 minutes of that podcast.

• 2:00:35Sean Fennessey?

  I think that much like a lot of our great final girls, this sets things up perfectly for another Amanda horror draft at some point. Solo.

• 2:00:45Sean Fennessey?

  Or for someone to kill you tonight. Yeah.

• 2:00:50Sean Fennessey?

  Next draft, CR disinvited and it'll be me, you and three other women on the panel. We'll see what happens.

• 2:01:00Sean Fennessey?

  Hey, this has been an amazing time. Thank you so much for coming out here.

• 2:01:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Bless you all for staying this late on a school night.

• 2:01:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 2:01:09Amanda Dobbins?

  All seven categories.

• 2:01:11Sean Fennessey?

  We really love making this show and love doing it for audiences. I'm really, really grateful to Alex, who is a great friend, a great tractor, a great filmmaker. Chris Ryan, of course, the greatest podcaster who's ever lived. Please give it up to him.

• 2:01:28Sean Fennessey?

  I wanna thank Jack Sanders for all of his work on this episode.

• 2:01:34Sean Fennessey?

  He's a phenomenal producer. Thanks to the Tony Remby Theater for hosting us. We really appreciate it. And thanks especially to the Ringer Events Team.

• 2:01:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 2:01:41Sean Fennessey?

  Elizabeth, Helen and Charlie tonight, who kick ass.

• 2:01:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Running around, yeah.

• 2:01:45Sean Fennessey?

  And I don't know what's coming up on the next episode of this show, but we'll see you then. Thank you.

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