The Flops Movie Draft

We’re drafting again! Sean and Amanda are joined by Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan for their first ever “Flops Movie Draft” where they highlight some of their favorite movies that were commercial failures at the box office. (0:00) Intro (1:43) Earliest flop memories (12:34) The Flops Movie Draft rules breakdown (17:17) The Flops Movie Draft (1:38:25) Honorable mentions (1:48:06) Draft recap Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guests: Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan Producer: Jack Sanders Editor: Jamie Yukich Production Support: Sarah Reddy and Lucas Cavanagh Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:17Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Sean Fennessey.

• 2:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm Amanda Dobbins.

• 2:18Sean Fennessey?

  And this is the Big Picture at Conversation show about flops. CR is here and we are drafting again, and so is Bill Simmons. Today, we have a very special draft for you, since we're in the direct... Since we're in the quiet part of the release calendar, the last week of August, we're talking about flops?

• 2:35Speaker 03

  Teleprompter?

• 2:35Sean Fennessey?

  Right after this, yeah. Okay, Bill, you're here.

• 2:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:39Sean Fennessey?

  You, you, you heard about this, and you wanted in on this.

• 2:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I like flops.

• 2:44Sean Fennessey?

  You do?

• 2:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think we have to have some honor with this draft, though, because by the categories, I think you could get, you could be like, dazed and confused, flop, didn't do well. Like, it has to be something that was considered to be disappointing when it came out.

• 2:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:57Speaker 03

  I think, I think that's a really important part for this.

• 3:00Sean Fennessey?

  That was what I wanted to talk about with you guys first, because we're in this moment where Spider-Man: Brand New Day might become, it has a chance to become, an outside chance to become the biggest movie of all time.

• 3:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:09Sean Fennessey?

  Probably going to come up a little bit short of that, but I would say it caught me by surprise that it could get that big.

• 3:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:16Sean Fennessey?

  And then the immediate after-effect of that is a bunch of movies coming out in August, and people are like, "I'm good, no thanks. I've got Spider-Man. I'm not going to see anything else. I saw my one, I saw The Odyssey, and I saw Spider-Man. I don't need to see any movies."

• 3:26Speaker 03

  Just you and me in one movie theater alone, watching Dog Stars.

• 3:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Excuse me, I will also be there.

• 3:32Sean Fennessey?

  Dog Stars is coming out this Friday. We'll see how it does.

• 3:35Speaker 03

  There's good stuff in the theater. We almost went to the movies last night, and there was like five movies at The Grove I wanted to see. And then you go, "It'll be on streaming in two weeks, so wait."

• 3:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, sorry, Sean.

• 3:44Sean Fennessey?

  Flops still happen.

• 3:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:46Sean Fennessey?

  But I feel like when I was thinking about this idea, I was thinking more about the 90s. I was thinking more about Kevin Costner's face being plastered across Variety the weekend after Waterworld came out, something like that. I don't know, what do you, what do you think about?

• 3:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, the Waterworld postman, postman, double feature of the mid-'90s for him.

• 4:03Sean Fennessey?

  You pronounce it postman?

• 4:04Speaker 06

  I did, I don't know why.

• 4:05Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 4:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think, you know, there's obviously like...

• 4:09Sean Fennessey?

  It's a kind of Grantland, Grantlands.

• 4:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I think maybe you're doing like Italian El Postino. El Postman.

• 4:14Speaker 06

  Yeah. Obviously, like Heaven's Gate and Ishtar, or historic box office catastrophes that sunk careers in studios. But Waterworld was the one, I think, for the premier magazine generation that people for two years have been reading about like, wow, he's gonna try, he's gonna go for it, he's gonna do it. And it sounds like there are problems, and it sounds like there are bigger problems, and then it never made a dollar or whatever. I mean, in, in truth, Waterworld, I think, actually was financially okay.

• 4:41Sean Fennessey?

  It did okay.

• 4:42Speaker 06

  But it was never close to what they imagined, and also is a critically reviled turkey.

• 4:48Sean Fennessey?

  I think that speaks to what Bill was saying, which is like, we gotta have some honor, because Waterworld, I think, is still understood as a flop.

• 4:53Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 4:53Sean Fennessey?

  It, it maybe wasn't as bad a financial loss as some other movies that we'll talk about, but it didn't do well enough. What, I don't know, what do you think about it? You think about it critically, too?

• 5:02Amanda Dobbins?

  A little bit, because I was trying to think of, you put in the outline, the prompt of, what's the first flop that you remember? And I, I think some of it can be the Waterworld. It's covered in the trade for so long, or now, especially since we follow the business so closely, you know weeks in advance, like, oh, no one's gonna go see that movie. Like, oh, you know, whatever Julia Roberts was doing from 2010 to 2024 is just like DOA, with love and respect to one of my favorite movie stars. But I do also remember the feeling of going to the movie theaters, and I had been sold a bill of goods, and then I was like, oh, this is just not good. I don't know why I'm here right now. And that is more of the critical flop,

• 5:47Amanda Dobbins?

  and also just kind of when the system is breaking and the audience has become aware, and they're just like, oh, you guys didn't have this at all, and we all pretended like this was gonna be a real movie.

• 5:59Speaker 06

  Snyder versus DC movies.

• 6:00Amanda Dobbins?

  And this is not a movie.

• 6:01Speaker 06

  Feel that way?

• 6:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 6:02Speaker 06

  We're like, oh, man, is this the rest of my life?

• 6:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, yes. What about for you? Do you remember the first time you?

• 6:07Speaker 03

  Probably Heaven's Gate.

• 6:08Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 6:09Speaker 03

  I didn't go see it, but it was the first time I remember hearing dialogue about a flop. But, because I don't remember New York, New York, and some of the other ones from the 70s that people were disappointed by.

• 6:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  But Heaven's Gate, it felt like that became like a national news story. I don't know, because people read newspapers back then. It was like bankrupted a studio, it became a book. But the first one I remember that I had real opinions on was probably Howard the Duck, because they put a lot of money behind it. I had a crush on Leah Thompson. Rooted for her, bought some season tickets for her. And it was just really bad and kind of inexplicable. And then it came on cable, and it was like, wow, what happened? But that was the first time I remember the concept of it. And then the 90s is when it really took root. I think Waterworld was like kind of the apex mountain of flop conversation, I would say.

• 7:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Though, I think those are three, like, pretty historic examples, because Howard the Duck, produced by George Lucas, like, there was this expectation that it was gonna be like an event movie, and like, maybe even a franchise.

• 7:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:12Sean Fennessey?

  Heaven's Gate obviously cited as like the end of the new Hollywood, basically, the movie that kind of killed that glorious period in the 70s. Waterworld, I feel like is about hubris, you know? And like, not, sometimes there's these movies where like, a director or a star is like, I can do anything.

• 7:28Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 7:28Sean Fennessey?

  There's like nothing that...

• 7:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Sometimes there's a Kevin Costner movie.

• 7:32Sean Fennessey?

  Or multiple.

• 7:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 7:33Speaker 03

  But sometimes that works out, because Titanic was considered be, gonna be a flop, and it wasn't. There's been a lot of, we thought this was gonna not work out, but then it did, right?

• 7:43Speaker 06

  It's also always fascinating to see what augers, or is the, like, the canary in the coal mine for a flop? Like, for Heaven's Gate, infamously, it was this Vincent Canby review, where he reviewed like, not an early version of it, or was it an early version?

• 7:57Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not sure.

• 7:57Speaker 06

  He, he was one of the first guys out to review Heaven's Gate, and it was so negative that it almost started this snowball effect of other critics being like, no, I think it's a bigger piece of shit. It's even more of an abomination. Sometimes it can be, you see an ad for a movie, and you're just like, oh, they didn't get it. They, like, there's something wrong with this ad, like this trailer or this ad campaign, that you can just feel if you're watching a football game with other people, they're like, what is this fucking thing? And you can tell, like, there's just no juice for the movie. So I always find it fascinating to kind of feel like, what's the first moment you knew this wasn't gonna work for a movie? And how rare it is the movie can like, turn out of that.

• 8:36Sean Fennessey?

  We were just having a conversation about reshoots, and how a lot of movies now do reshoots. And back in the day, if you heard about reshoots, you were like, oh, this is huge trouble. Now, it's like a little bit more commonly expected, but it's still an indicator in the news.

• 8:49Speaker 06

  Cliff Booth being...

• 8:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 8:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, well, Cliff Booth, The Social Reckoning, they both had really late-period reshoots.

• 8:54Speaker 03

  And long shoots, too, is another one. My dad, who I learned a lot from movies about, and especially rewatching the same movie over and over again, which was a big thing for him with Clint Eastwood and some others.

• 9:03Sean Fennessey?

  Did that come up in your career later, rewatching movies?

• 9:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, later.

• 9:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 9:07Speaker 03

  His big thing was if the Globe, the Boston Globe, didn't review it. He's like, bad sign. There's no review today, that means it probably, like, he sniffed that out early.

• 9:17Amanda Dobbins?

  And would that incentivize him to seek out the movie?

• 9:20Speaker 03

  No.

• 9:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 9:21Speaker 03

  It was more like, the Globe didn't review it, that means he was smart. Smart enough to be like, that probably means they didn't screen it. If they didn't screen it, that probably means it's not good.

• 9:29Speaker 06

  The version of that that was at my house was with my dad reviewing movies. It would be they're hiding it from us. And so if it wasn't.

• 9:36Speaker 03

  That was what they did.

• 9:37Speaker 06

  They would kill his deadline. So like, if it would be like Thursday, they'd be like, you can see the Leprechaun two now. He'd be like, I'm not reviewing this because it gives me, because I'm trying to go to the bar.

• 9:48Sean Fennessey?

  Desmond review Leprechaun two?

• 9:49Speaker 06

  He did. He hated it.

• 9:51Sean Fennessey?

  Did he see Leprechaun one?

• 9:52Speaker 06

  I think so. Generally, he found it offensive.

• 9:57Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, the Irish popped out. Wow.

• 9:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 9:59Sean Fennessey?

  The English went quiet for a second.

• 10:02Speaker 06

  But yeah, like he would talk about, oh, they're hiding this movie from us, which you've discussed before as well.

• 10:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it doesn't happen as much.

• 10:08Speaker 03

  Well, they just don't do it.

• 10:10Sean Fennessey?

  It's really hard because what they try to do now is they try to pit the fans against the critics. So they'll have like fan screenings or influencer led screenings, but then they won't show it to critics until the last minute. So it's this kind of, it's like a miasma, like they're trying to trick you into thinking like, well, people who really understand this material will really like it, you know? Whereas like these haughty critics or these journalists, they don't understand what you really like, which is all like a lie. Like they know when a movie isn't it. Like we went to Masters of the Universe, I went with Van and Mahoney was there too. And we were talking afterwards about how we were like way outnumbered at that screening. Like it was a lot of like He-Man guys, you know, guys who were really excited about that world and not people who were there to review the movie or talk about it on pods.

• 10:50Speaker 03

  The PR tour is another, is another sign. If the stars aren't promoted in the movie at all, red flag, right?

• 10:57Sean Fennessey?

  There's an inverse of that though, which is sometimes because people know the movie is a dog, they'll do too much press. So like sometimes when you see people being booked on things that they wouldn't normally do, it's because they're really nervous that the movie is not going to perform. So there's like all of this tea leaf reading.

• 11:14Speaker 03

  Charlize is on Hot Ones, just fucking throwing up chicken wings.

• 11:18Sean Fennessey?

  Sometimes, sometimes.

• 11:19Speaker 06

  Sometimes you'll be like, why is McConaughey on 74 pods? And it's like, oh, because this like random indie, indie, not random, but this indie movie that's only in like 40 theaters is out. But like he's doing like Diary of a CEO.

• 11:31Speaker 03

  There's another one where there's like a shit detector test with some of these. Like Runner Runner is a good example. Where there was like good people in that movie and yet there was no buzz at all. Koppelman and Levine were suspiciously quiet about it. I was like, there's this, nobody's kind of talking about this one.

• 11:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 11:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 11:50Speaker 03

  And then it just kind of came and went. There was a reason for it.

• 11:53Speaker 06

  So you made a distinction earlier in the podcast, like when we first started about like, so you used Dazed and Confused as an example. But one of the phenomenons, I think of, and maybe one of the like the loopholes of this 90s stuff is that there was a home video market where movies could have pretty active second lives.

• 12:10Speaker 03

  Reservoir dogs.

• 12:11Speaker 06

  Yeah. So dogs is an example. I don't want to name too many because they may come up or they may not, but.

• 12:15Speaker 03

  But we can't have reservoir dogs in this draft.

• 12:17Sean Fennessey?

  See, that's, to me, that's, that, those movies should not be eligible because that's like an independently made, modestly budgeted movie that played festivals, that was never intended to be a big blockbuster.

• 12:27Speaker 06

  It's good to look at the like reported budget of these movies. And it's like, well, yeah, maybe this movie lost $5 million, but did anybody really think it was going to make $75 million or $100 million back then? Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

• 12:43Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's an expectation game mostly, right? Like what do we think a movie should do based on the stars, based on the filmmaker, based on the premise versus, hey, here's a cool, small movie that, those movies are not pure flops.

• 12:57Speaker 06

  I don't know about you guys, I'm just happy to play a game with people who aren't too particular about rules and competitive nature. So it's just cool.

• 13:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel like I'm going to storm out like three o'clock.

• 13:07Amanda Dobbins?

  There was a tremendous amount of conversation and, and.

• 13:13Speaker 03

  Should we talk about this?

• 13:13Amanda Dobbins?

  And then this morning, a dramatic reveal.

• 13:17Speaker 03

  That was tough. I really had a hard time all weekend with this. I was like, this is the fucking hardest movie draft I've ever been. These are usually pretty easy, but it turned out I'd, I'd mixed the show.

• 13:29Sean Fennessey?

  Now this.

• 13:29Speaker 03

  I'd confused the text with another text.

• 13:32Sean Fennessey?

  This is, this is a challenging premise because there's a lot of specifics for what defines a flop, but you doubled your work. You thought that all of the traditional categories that we usually do that you lasted when you were on the show were also going to be included in addition to these new categories.

• 13:46Speaker 03

  I thought you were merging them together and all of a sudden I'm trying to figure out Oscar nominees.

• 13:50Sean Fennessey?

  What happened? What's going on at home?

• 13:52Speaker 03

  I just, just screwed up.

• 13:55Speaker 06

  It's got a lot on its plate.

• 13:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 13:56Speaker 03

  Turns out not a lot of Oscar nominees were flops.

• 13:58Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 13:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, really hard to, it was like Endless Love.

• 14:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 14:03Speaker 03

  It was like, oh, I got nominated for best song. I was at that level.

• 14:06Sean Fennessey?

  That would have been a cool thing to do because there are a lot of like big ticket blockbuster-y movies that would get like a VFX nomination.

• 14:12Speaker 06

  Sure. I wasn't getting a Chronicles of Riddick. I bet it did get like.

• 14:16Sean Fennessey?

  You think it got an Oscar nom?

• 14:17Speaker 06

  Possibly.

• 14:18Sean Fennessey?

  Have you seen that?

• 14:18Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah. I had a lot of Riddick stock for a minute.

• 14:22Sean Fennessey?

  Riddick stock?

• 14:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, I thought it was like a cool character.

• 14:25Sean Fennessey?

  Rank the Riddicks, Riddick Bow, Louis Riddick, Riddick from Pitch Black.

• 14:28Speaker 06

  Riddick from Pitch Black.

• 14:29Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 14:30Speaker 06

  You're a cool character.

• 14:31Speaker 03

  Louis Riddick last.

• 14:35Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, should I explain the categories?

• 14:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:37Sean Fennessey?

  So they're not as Bill thought, drama, comedy, wild card, Oscar, et cetera. Here, here's what we're doing. After some debate, and I appreciate the debate about what we should do here. One is less than $30 million domestic wide release. Now with the caveat that indies and small movies are not qualifying here. We're talking about studio movies, movies that were expected to make a lot of money. Number two, Star Bomb. This is a movie star vehicle from a well-known person who probably overstepped a little bit.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  So this will have the most negotiation with the picks.

• 15:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 15:12Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 15:12Speaker 03

  I think it had, we, it has to be agreed on that this movie ultimately was considered to be bad for the star.

• 15:18Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 15:19Speaker 03

  When it came out.

• 15:19Speaker 06

  I didn't take it to mean that.

• 15:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 15:22Speaker 03

  Well, it didn't do well, but, but it, even if it did okay.

• 15:25Speaker 06

  We're picking movies.

• 15:26Speaker 03

  But Waterworld did okay. Like it made the money back.

• 15:29Speaker 06

  In that sense, yes, I understand what you're saying.

• 15:31Speaker 03

  You know what I mean?

• 15:31Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 15:32Speaker 03

  But that still was bad for.

• 15:33Amanda Dobbins?

  It's still an avatars around his neck.

• 15:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think if there's some sort of collateral damage to the star, you know, then that's it.

• 15:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 15:42Sean Fennessey?

  The next category is the $100 million losers' club.

• 15:46Speaker 03

  Adjusted for inflation.

• 15:47Sean Fennessey?

  Adjusted for inflation.

• 15:49Speaker 03

  That was a key add because there were not a lot of $100 million.

• 15:53Sean Fennessey?

  We can be drafting movies from the 90s that did, adjusted for inflation, lose $100 million. The next category is Ebert zero stars.

• 16:00Speaker 03

  This was amazing.

• 16:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 16:01Speaker 03

  I never read this full list. I can't wait.

• 16:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Quite something.

• 16:04Sean Fennessey?

  There is a list of films that Roger Ebert gave zero stars. And it actually, what's most interesting to me about the list is what isn't on the list. You know, like you see, there's some obvious stuff, there's some surprising stuff. We'll talk about it. We'll be able to get some actually good movies, I think, out of this category. Next category is sub 25% on Rotten Tomatoes.

• 16:20Speaker 03

  Another really fun list.

• 16:22Sean Fennessey?

  The final category.

• 16:24Speaker 03

  With Rotten Tomatoes, could it have been either side? Critics side or fans side?

• 16:28Sean Fennessey?

  Just critics.

• 16:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I was as well.

• 16:31Sean Fennessey?

  Are there any films that are sub 25% with fans? They're usually so much more forgiving.

• 16:35Speaker 03

  Because fans are stupid, is that what you're saying?

• 16:37Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't say that. I said they're forgiving.

• 16:38Speaker 06

  The popcorn meter or whatever.

• 16:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Is that, what do you look at first when you?

• 16:42Speaker 06

  Popcorn meter.

• 16:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, always. Yeah.

• 16:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 16:44Sean Fennessey?

  Fuck the critics.

• 16:45Speaker 06

  I'm a populist.

• 16:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, you are.

• 16:47Speaker 03

  CR.

• 16:50Speaker 03

  The people.

• 16:50Sean Fennessey?

  The last category is failed franchise launch. So this is a movie that was, there was hopes of it being a multi-part, you know, saga of some kind. And the franchise stopped after this movie.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  There's going to be some huge fights on this, on that category.

• 17:04Sean Fennessey?

  To me, this is a more modern phenomenon. This is a much more, most recent 20, 25 years than it is going back to the 80s or 90s. But there are some examples in the 80s and 90s for sure. And I would say most of this conversation will be about the 80s, 90s and 2000s. Because we didn't really think of movies in quite the same way in terms of box office and critical revulsion as we do now.

• 17:23Speaker 06

  I would say a couple of these have, they're open to interpretation and I look forward to a healthy debate while we make our picks. And I'll just say that I'm going to lead with love and that I think it's a.

• 17:33Amanda Dobbins?

  That's beautiful.

• 17:34Speaker 06

  I think that we're going to, we're going to make some allowances for, for longtime friends here.

• 17:39Sean Fennessey?

  You think that's going to happen or?

• 17:40Speaker 06

  I hope, I hope.

• 17:41Sean Fennessey?

  How do you feel?

• 17:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm reevaluating how I defined, I'm back in the saddle. I'm thrilled to be back with my guys, including Bill. I.

• 17:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, man, and I've had a great month.

• 17:54Amanda Dobbins?

  We have.

• 17:54Speaker 03

  We did Apollo 13.

• 17:55Speaker 06

  Got lost in space.

• 17:56Amanda Dobbins?

  That's true. We talked a lot about Billy Sports. He was very supportive to me. Yeah. So it's lovely to see you.

• 18:01Speaker 03

  She did her Kathleen Quinlan impersonation, which I know you guys have both seen.

• 18:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Tell me back on Monday, Friday.

• 18:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I, so we just redefine Star Bomb in a way where I feel like I'm going to have to do a lot of Googling right now. So that's where my headspace is.

• 18:16Sean Fennessey?

  You're distracted. I can see you kind of slipped out of the pod for a second.

• 18:19Amanda Dobbins?

  But that was just kind of like, oh no, I didn't think about this right. And that's okay. I'll get there.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  Can I ask about the goal for the draft?

• 18:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 18:26Speaker 03

  Are these movies that you like or are they flop-tastic?

• 18:31Speaker 06

  I'm treating this as you want to put together the best collection of movies to you that you can while also abiding by the criteria.

• 18:40Sean Fennessey?

  So I like that definition and I won't try to disabuse you of it. But I also think if you have a slate that is the floppiest of flop slates, that's also kind of interesting to me. Like if you want that to be your goal. And then you can make a case for those movies as interesting artifacts of movie history.

• 18:56Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 18:57Speaker 03

  I might just take all politically incorrect flops.

• 18:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 19:00Speaker 03

  That's might be my strategy. There's a few, few great ones in here. Yeah.

• 19:04Speaker 06

  Starting with your hat.

• 19:10Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, we have a draft order that was recorded by Jack Sanders before he went on vacation.

• 19:16Speaker 03

  Howard.

• 19:17Sean Fennessey?

  Here he is.

• 19:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, wow.

• 19:18Speaker 03

  Producer Jack here to deliver the draft order for the first ever flops movie draft. Very excited to give somebody the first overall pick for Babylon. Selecting first, wow, Sean Fennessy.

• 19:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, there you go.

• 19:35Speaker 03

  That's big.

• 19:36Sean Fennessey?

  Go figure.

• 19:38Speaker 03

  I already know Bill is going to claim this is rigged.

• 19:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 19:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:42Amanda Dobbins?

  There we go.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  Is selecting second.

• 19:45Speaker 03

  Good instinct.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  Okay, not helping. Amanda Dobbins.

• 19:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, interesting. Okay.

• 19:49Speaker 03

  Shocker.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  I promise I don't rig these things. I don't really even see how valuable that would be for me. Selecting third.

• 19:58Speaker 03

  It's Chris.

• 20:00Speaker 01

  Bill Simmons.

• 20:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, there you go.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Chris Ryan will be drafting fourth. Happy drafting.

• 20:05Sean Fennessey?

  Now, is there an undisputed number one overall draft pick here, you think?

• 20:10Speaker 01

  No.

• 20:11Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think so.

• 20:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't think so.

• 20:12Sean Fennessey?

  And I think that we're probably not even targeting most of the same movies, right?

• 20:15Speaker 03

  Probably not.

• 20:16Sean Fennessey?

  And yet, I still feel chafed.

• 20:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I think there will be more arguing about the rules than about.

• 20:23Speaker 03

  Movies, yeah.

• 20:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Theft.

• 20:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:26Amanda Dobbins?

  This was tricky. This involved, like, a lot of actual box office research. Also, I just say to you once again, what have they done to all the box office websites? And then I'm redefining in my head what many of these categories mean and also what my goals are. Because if you're just gonna shoot the moon and do the worst movies.

• 20:46Speaker 03

  Or am I?

• 20:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess we don't know. We'll find out. But after I pick, so.

• 20:51Speaker 03

  You're the tone setter here.

• 20:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 20:52Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I know what I want to pick and I'm pleased about it. I'm going Ebert zero stars first, and I'm going with one of my favorite reviews of all time, and I'm selecting Freddy Got Fingered, Tom Green's Star Vehicle, which is a movie I saw in theaters and absolutely loved, thought was hysterical.

• 21:07Speaker 03

  Number one.

• 21:08Sean Fennessey?

  I thought.

• 21:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, here we are.

• 21:11Sean Fennessey?

  I thought this movie was so stupid and so wonderful, and I'd like to read you a brief passage from Ebert's review to commemorate this first overall pick.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:22Sean Fennessey?

  This movie doesn't scrape the bottom of the barrel. This movie isn't the bottom of the barrel. This movie isn't below the bottom of the barrel. This movie doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence with barrels. That's how he felt about this movie. He fucking hated it, and he rejected the premise that it was a surreal masterpiece.

• 21:41Speaker 03

  Right.

• 21:42Sean Fennessey?

  You know, which was, it was immediately reclaimed as some brilliant revisionist idea. A. O. Scott wrote about this, that there was something singular about Tom Green's vision in this movie. I'm not sure if I even need to present it as just, I think it's really funny when he's.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  How many times have you watched it over the course of your life?

• 21:58Sean Fennessey?

  HBO a lot after it came out, so fifteen? I mean, many times, and I've always had a really good time with it. And it basically killed his career.

• 22:06Speaker 03

  There was a social media clip of Tom Green getting, somebody came on his talk show on MTV and tried to set the desk on fire, and he got mad at the person, and it was super awkward. And the tweet was, this is what changed the course of Tom Green's career when he didn't have a sense of humor about this. I was good the entire time being against Tom Green and never thinking he was gonna have a career.

• 22:28Sean Fennessey?

  You were anti.

• 22:28Speaker 03

  I never got it. I never understood it. I thought he was funny in Road Trip. That was the one time I thought he was kind of humorous. He wasn't really my bag. Just didn't get it.

• 22:37Sean Fennessey?

  You guys are just a little too old.

• 22:39Amanda Dobbins?

  He married Barrymore, right?

• 22:40Speaker 03

  He did.

• 22:41Sean Fennessey?

  He did.

• 22:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I logged on for that part of the Tom Green experience, but otherwise I was a.

• 22:45Sean Fennessey?

  They were married when this happened.

• 22:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 22:47Speaker 03

  That was one of the all-time, this one's not gonna last marriages I can remember between two celebrities. The over-under was a year.

• 22:54Amanda Dobbins?

  But I would say Tom Green's appeal to me in that moment was just an over, not a full circle with Drew Barrymore, and then once he was gone.

• 23:04Sean Fennessey?

  Have you seen Freddy Got Fingered?

• 23:05Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 23:06Sean Fennessey?

  He sings a song called Daddy, Would You Like Some Sausage? While playing a keyboard that is attached to sausages that are strung throughout his home, and he sings it to Rip Torn, legendary actor.

• 23:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 23:16Sean Fennessey?

  It's a very special movie. When is it gonna be on the rewatchables?

• 23:19Speaker 03

  Rip Torn has had a lot of things that he's done in his career that he probably hopes there are copies of. Or that he's like, I don't have any memory of making that. Yeah, I wasn't really there.

• 23:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 23:28Sean Fennessey?

  That's the first overall pick.

• 23:29Speaker 03

  Interesting first pick. I think it would have been available a couple rounds later.

• 23:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 23:32Sean Fennessey?

  I'm trying to have fun. I'm trying to have fun here.

• 23:34Amanda Dobbins?

  So now I feel like I should be having more fun, and I guess I'll have a medium amount of fun. So I figured out Star flop, where I want to go with this, which is having fun, being true to the category, and also incredibly eligible, and maybe, probably not taking away from anyone else. How do you know? No question mark. From Reese Witherspoon.

• 24:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 24:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Killed a few careers.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  So you're taking that for Star Bomb and not Hundred Million Dollar Loser?

• 24:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I am.

• 24:07Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 24:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I mean, were you gonna take it for Hundred Million Dollar?

• 24:10Speaker 03

  It was eligible for both.

• 24:11Amanda Dobbins?

  It's eligible in many categories, but I do think that, I mean, this killed, not killed, but certainly put a pause on and re-trajectored Reese Witherspoon's career. James L. Brooks, tough. Romantic comedy, as you could argue, died in this moment, and in fact, the great Amy Nicholson piece, I think it was 2014, about who killed the romantic comedy, How Do You Know is located as kind of like the great, just things not working out despite so much money, so much talent, so much history. I can't say that I enjoy

• 24:48Amanda Dobbins?

  watching this movie, but there is something about, I like everyone involved, and I'm amused that it happened. It is, it is pop culturally significant.

• 25:01Speaker 03

  You left out softball.

• 25:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 25:05Speaker 03

  Softball was a big part of this movie and has, I don't think, ever been part of another movie. I think this was, this was the one time and only. This movie ended a lot of things.

• 25:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, okay.

• 25:15Speaker 03

  It's really bad. My wife really wanted to like it and just couldn't get there. What was the Jim Brooks, Nick Nolte movie?

• 25:21Sean Fennessey?

  I'll Do Anything.

• 25:22Speaker 03

  I'll Do Anything, this one, the How Do You Know? No question mark, and Alan McKay. Couple of.

• 25:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 25:28Sean Fennessey?

  A triumvirate of unsuccessful movies that are then dotted with incredibly successful movies around it. Crazy career. This is the last Jack Nicholson part. This is the last performance he ever gave in a movie.

• 25:39Speaker 03

  He's Paul Rudd's dad.

• 25:40Sean Fennessey?

  It's 16 years ago. He hasn't been in a movie.

• 25:43Amanda Dobbins?

  A historic film in its own way.

• 25:45Speaker 03

  Good pick.

• 25:46Sean Fennessey?

  It's most definitely a flop. Bill Simmons, you're up.

• 25:52Speaker 03

  I wore my Andorall hat because I knew we'd be dropping some bombs today. This first pick is not a bomb.

• 25:59Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 26:00Speaker 03

  But it is an Ebert zero star review. I can't believe it's still available. Police Academy. I genuinely like this movie. I saw it in the theater. Yeah. It led to like seven different sequels, and, you know, I get to say this on the rewatchable sometimes. Raj, fuck off. Zero stars is harsh. Police Academy's solid. The audience laughed.

• 26:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Tackleberry?

• 26:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, had some funny moments. Leslie Easterbrook. He's funny in this movie.

• 26:27Sean Fennessey?

  Leslie Easterbrook, you say?

• 26:28Speaker 03

  Leslie Easterbrook.

• 26:29Sean Fennessey?

  Talented lady.

• 26:30Speaker 03

  Important person of the 80s to a certain demo.

• 26:33Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely. She had some skills.

• 26:34Speaker 03

  Gutenberg, this, this really launched him to something. I don't know what. I was. I like it. He's funny in this. It was good. Gut had a nice run.

• 26:43Sean Fennessey?

  Did that cross your path at all, Police Academy films?

• 26:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't think so. I think, but Gutenberg was one of the three men and a baby, so I was there for that.

• 26:53Speaker 03

  Michael Winslow doing Weird Voices. He's in this. Solid movie.

• 26:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:01Sean Fennessey?

  Ebert famously, real blind spot on sophomoric comedies.

• 27:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, no question.

• 27:06Sean Fennessey?

  He didn't, he didn't really get, he didn't get Chris Farley, he didn't get Sandler, he didn't get Police Academy. Wasn't his bag.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  We've done a couple where he just scathing reviews, and it's usually raunchy. He hates, unnecessary, kind of veering on the sex side, but in ways that's not really, I don't know, good intentions. He really hates that. What does Raj like, though? He likes story. Raj likes story and character. Story and character. Guess we didn't have either of those, this Police Academy.

• 27:39Sean Fennessey?

  Do you have a favorite Police Academy movie?

• 27:41Speaker 03

  Citizens on Patrol.

• 27:42Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 27:44Speaker 03

  I think one.

• 27:45Sean Fennessey?

  Is that number four?

• 27:45Speaker 03

  That's the one where it's like, everybody can be a cop. Yeah.

• 27:49Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah, of course you believe it. It's kind of like this prequel.

• 27:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I'm gonna take that. Okay. And then.

• 27:57Amanda Dobbins?

  You don't have the turn.

• 27:58Speaker 03

  You don't have the turn, so I have the turn. What do you mean there's no turn?

• 28:01Sean Fennessey?

  No, it's Chris's turn.

• 28:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Chris is not.

• 28:03Speaker 03

  You don't have another pick. I don't have the turn. You're not on the turn.

• 28:06Sean Fennessey?

  Damn it.

• 28:07Speaker 03

  Um, let's have.

• 28:08Sean Fennessey?

  Wow, Citizens on Patrol had Leslie Easterbrook and Colleen Camp.

• 28:13Sean Fennessey?

  Sheesh.

• 28:13Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 28:14Sean Fennessey?

  And Sharon Stone.

• 28:15Speaker 03

  My god.

• 28:16Sean Fennessey?

  What the hell?

• 28:17Speaker 03

  Important franchise.

• 28:18Sean Fennessey?

  What's Raj doing?

• 28:19Speaker 03

  Okay, for star misfire.

• 28:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. You said star flop, you're saying misfire. The name of the category is Star Bomb.

• 28:26Speaker 03

  Star Bomb. For Star Bomb, I'll do Brad Pitt for The Assassination of Jesse James.

• 28:31Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 28:31Speaker 03

  Good choice. Which is one of my favorite movies of the century, but also a movie that made $4 million domestically.

• 28:39Sean Fennessey?

  What happened?

• 28:40Speaker 03

  Well, I think Andrew Dominic is a very deliberate director, and it took a while to finish this film, and I think Brad Pitt is a hands-on producer and probably worked on it in his deliberate way. And then it turned out that America didn't want to watch a meditative tone poem scored by Nick Cave about how Casey Affleck was an autistic guy who killed Jesse James, you know, and that is basically what the movie's about. But the cast is dynamite. It's Pitt, Affleck, Jeremy Renner, Sam Rockwell, Zoe Deschanel, Mary Louise Parker.

• 29:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Sam Shepard.

• 29:19Speaker 03

  Sam Shepard. You can always count on him. So this was, Brad Pitt almost, almost immune to bombs, I'd say, because he's got a few.

• 29:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 29:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. We're gonna find out this fall.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  Heart of the Beast.

• 29:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Is that the, is that the dog movie?

• 29:38Sean Fennessey?

  Are you familiar with Heart of the Beast?

• 29:40Speaker 03

  I am. I've been following the Brad Pitt media coverage in ten days.

• 29:44Amanda Dobbins?

  It's really, it's.

• 29:45Speaker 03

  He's off the wagon.

• 29:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's tough. That's a real, it's gonna be interesting.

• 29:49Speaker 03

  Interesting timing on that announcement.

• 29:50Sean Fennessey?

  Did he come forward to announce that? He did on a podcast, right?

• 29:53Speaker 03

  He talked about it. Peace for Esquire.

• 29:56Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, and Peace for Esquire.

• 29:56Speaker 03

  It felt a little, I want to jump ahead. Ahead of something that might come out.

• 30:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 30:01Speaker 03

  Plant my flag here now.

• 30:02Sean Fennessey?

  Could be.

• 30:03Speaker 03

  The theory.

• 30:04Sean Fennessey?

  Heart of the Beast, will you see it?

• 30:06Speaker 03

  I'll definitely rent that because I love dogs. The Simmons family loves a dog's purpose.

• 30:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you worry about the dog's fate in a movie? Like, do you have to know that the dog's gonna be okay?

• 30:17Speaker 03

  I'm better with it. My wife wants to know if the dog's gonna die before she watches the movie.

• 30:22Amanda Dobbins?

  A thousand percent, yes.

• 30:24Speaker 06

  Which must make watching any horror movie impossible, because as soon as you see a pet walk across the screen in a horror movie, you're like, it's gone, it's over for this cat.

• 30:31Speaker 03

  I mean, where it gets crazy is Mallory not being able to see Obsession.

• 30:35Speaker 06

  Right, right.

• 30:37Speaker 03

  That's where.

• 30:37Speaker 06

  Pretty bad cat stuff in that, though.

• 30:39Amanda Dobbins?

  I totally forgotten about it.

• 30:41Speaker 03

  Just a cat sandwich.

• 30:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I liked Obsession.

• 30:44Sean Fennessey?

  Spoiler alert for Obsession.

• 30:46Sean Fennessey?

  Two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, he had Ocean's Thirteen, Assassination of Jesse James, Burn After Reading, and Curious Case of Benjamin Button. So he actually, he tends to bounce back, you know, like he had.

• 30:58Speaker 06

  And he's got, let's say.

• 31:00Amanda Dobbins?

  And then in comes Moneyball.

• 31:01Speaker 06

  That the dog movie does not do well.

• 31:04Sean Fennessey?

  Cliff Booth, two months later.

• 31:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, another dog movie.

• 31:06Speaker 03

  I like the Brad Pitt stretch when he's just making really bad movies for like five years, and he has all of a sudden like seven kids. He does The Tourist and all of those. There's like a really bad stretch in there.

• 31:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Is The Tourist hammer Angelina Jolie?

• 31:19Sean Fennessey?

  That's Johnny Depp.

• 31:21Speaker 03

  Two by C?

• 31:22Speaker 06

  Two by C.

• 31:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, two, by the sea, is he and Angelina, which is a fascinating movie. I would encourage other people to watch. It's bad, but it is so interesting. Don't they break up right after that movie?

• 31:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. Okay, so.

• 31:34Speaker 03

  I wanted to break up after the movie.

• 31:36Speaker 06

  Brad Pitt, Assassination of Jesse James for Starbom.

• 31:40Speaker 03

  Good choice.

• 31:40Speaker 06

  No argument there. Here's where I wonder whether I'll get some pushback. So by the letter of the law, I would like to take under thirty million dollars box office master release. I would like to take Shawshank Redemption.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  I don't see the case.

• 31:57Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think it was characterized as a flop.

• 32:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Both of you leaned back in your chairs as if like, you know, like a double.

• 32:05Speaker 06

  Made twenty eight point three million dollars.

• 32:06Sean Fennessey?

  What was the budget?

• 32:07Speaker 03

  That's typical Eagles fan bullshit.

• 32:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 32:09Speaker 03

  Trying to search for an edge.

• 32:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Trying to search for an edge.

• 32:14Sean Fennessey?

  Kind of this hush push of drafting.

• 32:15Speaker 06

  I'm just following.

• 32:16Speaker 03

  It's like a tush push pick.

• 32:17Speaker 06

  The literal definition.

• 32:18Speaker 03

  Nobody at any point thought that movie was disappointing or a bomb, and then after got the Oscar nomination, it had a nice run.

• 32:25Speaker 06

  Much like many films in the nineties, had a second life. I'm not saying it didn't, but in its initial release.

• 32:30Speaker 03

  I think it's a disgrace to put this in the flops draft.

• 32:33Sean Fennessey?

  It's total theatrical gross after the Oscar nominations was seventy three million, and it was budgeted at twenty five million.

• 32:38Speaker 06

  Okay, so it made three million dollars in its initial release, though.

• 32:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm interested in the decision.

• 32:44Speaker 03

  Vetoing that.

• 32:45Amanda Dobbins?

  That we made to put Sean and Bill in matching black shirts on, on opposite ends of the table. Yeah, facing each other, just ready to go.

• 32:56Speaker 03

  That's, yeah, that can't be in the draft.

• 32:58Speaker 06

  Okay, we're gonna take that off.

• 33:00Sean Fennessey?

  It's a sensitive one because that's, you know.

• 33:01Speaker 06

  Take it off the board, and I will keep in mind what you guys just did. So, uh, moving on.

• 33:10Sean Fennessey?

  For, and when will you have your revenge?

• 33:13Speaker 06

  A movie that I liked more in retrospect than I did maybe when I first saw it, and I'm happy to take it due to the extent of its losses, is Furiosa Mad Max Saga, which lost a hundred and twenty three million dollars.

• 33:26Sean Fennessey?

  This is definitely eligible.

• 33:27Speaker 06

  And, uh, pretty much put a bullet in the Mad Max franchise, I would say, for the time being, and given George Miller's.

• 33:35Speaker 03

  I don't even remember when this came out.

• 33:37Sean Fennessey?

  Two summers ago, right?

• 33:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Twenty twenty four.

• 33:40Speaker 03

  Missed it.

• 33:41Speaker 06

  Anya Taylor-Joy and Chris Hemsworth, no Tom Hardy in this one, obviously. And George Miller, like, still had it, still had some incredible tricks in the bag, but people were, I think, a little bit more sensitive about what they perceived as some CGI stuff. I think ultimately, the film didn't scratch whatever itch people had in terms of it being like a quintessential like Mad Max revenge story. It wasn't quite that.

• 34:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, we talked a lot about its underperformance when it came out, and you and I liked it but didn't love it. And I think it was in that weird zone where it was like nine years after Fury Road, which was both too short and too long a time. Like, if it had been three years later, you might have been like, well, Fury Road is this incredible achievement. We need to feed the audience more quickly. Or like Fury Road waiting thirty years later to tell, to reach that story again, but it kind of felt like just a general audiences.

• 34:34Amanda Dobbins?

  And, but then they recast the entire cast.

• 34:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 34:38Amanda Dobbins?

  So you, it's long enough that, it's not long enough that you have forgotten the cast and can imagine, like, just like a new world. But you don't bring any warmth of the previous thing. It was strange. I didn't, I didn't really understand that movie.

• 34:54Speaker 06

  Sequences in this, and I actually liked the ending quite a bit. I know this is a highly debated, but I thought the last scene was quite good.

• 35:01Sean Fennessey?

  Did you see this movie? No, not a Mad Max guy.

• 35:05Speaker 03

  Once we get into three and fourth, third and fourth installments of a movie, you gotta really convince me.

• 35:10Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 35:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:16Speaker 03

  Is Cruising on the board here for flops?

• 35:20Sean Fennessey?

  I think you can make the case it's a star bomb.

• 35:23Speaker 03

  That was my case.

• 35:24Sean Fennessey?

  This was, I think this was, I think this was detrimental to.

• 35:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Chris is getting a little mad.

• 35:28Sean Fennessey?

  To Pacino's career.

• 35:29Speaker 03

  Legitimately bad for Pacino, sent him in a tailspin for the entire eighties.

• 35:33Speaker 06

  Eighty five, so nineteen eighty five only counted for a certain demographic of this. Okay.

• 35:38Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 35:38Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 35:39Sean Fennessey?

  You really wanted Cruising, but you didn't realize it was eligible.

• 35:41Speaker 06

  I just, I note with interest that Bill is doing this.

• 35:45Speaker 06

  That I can't have Shawshank, but he can have Cruising.

• 35:47Speaker 03

  Shawshank was never considered a bomb or flop or bad for anybody.

• 35:50Speaker 06

  Movie theater alone in, in Florida, and be like, where are all the people?

• 35:55Speaker 03

  Cruising was like, why did Pacino do this? He's getting protested for a year. It sent him back in all these different ways. I think it has to count.

• 36:03Speaker 06

  Bond pick.

• 36:04Speaker 03

  Okay, thank you.

• 36:07Sean Fennessey?

  Is there anything else you want to say about Cruising? I mean.

• 36:10Speaker 03

  We did a rewatch of it.

• 36:11Amanda Dobbins?

  A lot about it.

• 36:11Speaker 03

  It was the only, only four K Blu-ray that I've spent over twenty dollars on. It came out, it was like forty, whatever the price was. I was like, I'm getting this.

• 36:20Sean Fennessey?

  A wonderful addition from Arrow, and thank you to them.

• 36:23Amanda Dobbins?

  How many?

• 36:24Sean Fennessey?

  Great, great movie.

• 36:24Amanda Dobbins?

  How many do you own now?

• 36:27Speaker 03

  When he's dancing.

• 36:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, great.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  Cruising's an amazing movie. I love that Friedkin hated his guts and shit on him after. The research for it was great. And, uh, and it's like, yet, it's like that last era of the gritty, kind of gross New York movies that are basically from nineteen seventy four to nineteen eighty, where New York just seems like the most fun and dangerous place you could ever go in America.

• 36:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, and it sends Friedkin kind of into, into his flop era.

• 37:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:01Sean Fennessey?

  You know, where, because he's kind of coming off of Sorcerer failing, and then this movie being so controversial and not doing very well. And then he has kind of a anonymous eighties. Some movies I like, but not, not a lot of big hits.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  Starbom, do directors count for Starbom?

• 37:15Sean Fennessey?

  I thought about it and I took it off. I feel like that's a whole other pod.

• 37:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:19Sean Fennessey?

  You know?

• 37:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think so as well.

• 37:22Sean Fennessey?

  The director movie draft.

• 37:24Speaker 03

  With the bombs in there?

• 37:25Sean Fennessey?

  I'll create, create some categories.

• 37:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 37:27Sean Fennessey?

  Don't steal, don't steal that idea. Other.

• 37:29Speaker 06

  TM, Sean fantasy.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  Coppola have two categories for all his bombs?

• 37:34Sean Fennessey?

  I think so, I mean.

• 37:35Speaker 03

  We do a double Coppola category?

• 37:38Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, Amanda, you have a pick.

• 37:41Amanda Dobbins?

  In films that lost more than one hundred million dollars.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  Another one.

• 37:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I will take your friend and your friend Steven Spielberg's West Side Story. Which lost a hundred and four million dollars.

• 37:52Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 37:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm, it's there. A hundred and four million dollars.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  Wasn't on my research.

• 37:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Before being adjusted for inflation.

• 37:59Sean Fennessey?

  Coming, coming out of COVID.

• 38:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, deep coming out of COVID. This is a beautiful remake and a beautiful movie.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  Sean loved it.

• 38:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Of a movie that I, it was like, I think number three on my list for the year. I was totally blown away by it. And that's as someone who also thinks the original West Side Story film is like one of the great movies ever made. So I just don't understand what happened here besides COVID, and I guess people not caring about West Side Story.

• 38:26Speaker 03

  If that movie came out right now, I wonder if it does well.

• 38:29Speaker 06

  I think it would probably benefit that movie to have like a stronger lead actor.

• 38:35Sean Fennessey?

  It was Ansel Elgore.

• 38:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 38:37Speaker 06

  Bigger name.

• 38:38Amanda Dobbins?

  And then it was also Ed Rachel Zegler, who is amazing, and it kind of, the discovery of Rachel Zegler, but then.

• 38:43Sean Fennessey?

  She's fantastic.

• 38:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 38:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 38:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Mike Feist.

• 38:46Speaker 06

  But if Tom Holland starred in West Side Story, what would happen?

• 38:50Sean Fennessey?

  Be a much bigger movie.

• 38:51Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 38:52Speaker 03

  With a much shorter star.

• 38:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Can he sing?

• 38:55Speaker 06

  He's gonna try with this Fred Astaire movie, right?

• 38:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I guess so. That's true. Like, wow.

• 38:59Speaker 03

  Well, we know he can't swing a sword.

• 39:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 39:02Sean Fennessey?

  But his web slinging is very good.

• 39:04Speaker 06

  He wasn't allowed. He had to honor Zeus's law.

• 39:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 39:07Sean Fennessey?

  Get the spears. Get the swords. It's my, those are my favorite Pattinson line readings in that movie.

• 39:13Speaker 03

  He was great.

• 39:14Sean Fennessey?

  Really funny.

• 39:14Amanda Dobbins?

  So good.

• 39:15Speaker 03

  Such a great Pattinson run right now.

• 39:17Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, it's electric and still going.

• 39:19Speaker 03

  Still going.

• 39:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Primetime?

• 39:21Speaker 03

  I'm all in.

• 39:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Dune three?

• 39:22Speaker 03

  Really, from good time on, he's just had my soul, had my, had my hand.

• 39:26Speaker 06

  It would be good when he walked in with the Andruel hat to be like, you see how this looks, right?

• 39:33Sean Fennessey?

  Did you ever watch To Catch a Predator?

• 39:36Speaker 03

  The show or the movie?

• 39:37Sean Fennessey?

  The show.

• 39:38Speaker 03

  Pattinson's in the movie.

• 39:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 39:39Speaker 06

  Have you ever watched?

• 39:40Sean Fennessey?

  But did you watch that show?

• 39:41Speaker 03

  I, it made me feel bad.

• 39:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 39:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 39:44Sean Fennessey?

  I think that's what the movie's about.

• 39:45Speaker 03

  Content that just makes me like, kind of question everything.

• 39:48Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 39:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I agree.

• 39:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I did see a couple of episodes.

• 39:51Sean Fennessey?

  Bombing.

• 39:52Speaker 03

  Did see a couple of episodes.

• 39:53Speaker 06

  I love content that makes me question everything.

• 39:56Speaker 03

  Well, it's moved to social media now where they just confront people at like seven elevens that thought they were meeting, and then they just punched the guy in the face.

• 40:03Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah. Where were you at on bum fights?

• 40:07Speaker 06

  I didn't care for them. No, I thought that was appalling.

• 40:11Sean Fennessey?

  What about you, Amanda?

• 40:12Speaker 06

  Backyard wrestling, okay.

• 40:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, interesting.

• 40:14Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:15Sean Fennessey?

  Sure. Well, who was the fellow, Kimbo Slice?

• 40:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:17Sean Fennessey?

  Were you interested in his work?

• 40:19Speaker 06

  I, I enjoyed some of the early clips of him knocking people out.

• 40:22Sean Fennessey?

  Did you like that? Were you into that?

• 40:23Speaker 03

  I really enjoyed it.

• 40:27Speaker 06

  His whole career.

• 40:28Sean Fennessey?

  He was, he was, he was an entertaining character. Did you, did?

• 40:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Nope. Again, I was just on a different.

• 40:31Sean Fennessey?

  That was not your algo?

• 40:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, no, that's fine.

• 40:33Sean Fennessey?

  Kimbo Slice was an extremely jacked black guy who was well-known for going into backyards.

• 40:38Speaker 06

  Huge beard.

• 40:38Sean Fennessey?

  And beating the shit out of people. Um.

• 40:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, unannounced.

• 40:42Speaker 06

  Like, as part of backyard.

• 40:44Speaker 03

  It was basically the Clint Eastwood, Philo Beto movie.

• 40:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  Every which way you can.

• 40:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 40:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 40:51Speaker 03

  Where he would just go challenge people and they'd just fight in like a street or something.

• 40:55Sean Fennessey?

  And he would just knock them the fuck out. It was really, it was quite a time. It was really early internet.

• 41:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 41:01Sean Fennessey?

  All right. I have a pick, huh? So I've been trying to.

• 41:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Don't you have two?

• 41:04Sean Fennessey?

  I have two picks. Yeah. I've been thinking about this really in the spirit of the thing, which is like actually bombed and reviled movies that I like. That's kind of what I'm trying to do here. So for sub 25% on Rotten Tomatoes, I'm going Congo, which is one of my favorite movies.

• 41:21Sean Fennessey?

  Frank Marshall-directed adaptation of a Michael Crichton novel, right in the absolute peak of Michael Crichton mania after Jurassic Park.

• 41:30Sean Fennessey?

  This is a story about a large corporation that sends a team into Africa to retrieve what they think is going to be some learnings about an ancient guerrilla civilization, but is actually on a mission to get very valuable diamonds. On this mission, Laura Linney is heading up the team. She is the daughter of a very powerful leader played by Joe Don Baker. Her husband or boyfriend is played by Bruce Campbell. He's clearly been beaten to death by these evil gorillas.

• 42:03Sean Fennessey?

  The weak part of the cast is Dylan Walsh. He plays an ape, an ape expert.

• 42:07Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:08Sean Fennessey?

  Who, um.

• 42:08Speaker 06

  Ape expert.

• 42:09Sean Fennessey?

  Joins, uh, this team along with his, I guess, compatriot Amy, who is a gorilla.

• 42:17Sean Fennessey?

  And Amy is there to bridge the gap between the guerrilla civilizations and to help us learn more about how to communicate with gorillas.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  And kind of see where this is going.

• 42:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 42:25Sean Fennessey?

  Delroy Lindo plays a very powerful military figure in Africa. Tim Curry plays an expert in ancient civilizations.

• 42:31Speaker 06

  He's a crazy must, like a goatee in this, right?

• 42:34Sean Fennessey?

  His name is Hercule Hamoka.

• 42:39Sean Fennessey?

  Probably one of the funniest movies ever made. I, I will watch the entire thing every time I turn it on. I would, I would kill to do a rewatchables about this movie. I think it's.

• 42:46Speaker 06

  Congo.

• 42:46Sean Fennessey?

  One of the most fun movies ever made. And it was honestly a loss of innocence. When I found out that this movie got terrible reviews. Like, this is a turning point in my life. When I went to Newsday, the day after seeing the movie, opening night, and I saw, it must, probably was John Anderson, who was just like, this is despicable tripe and should be deleted from society. And I was like, what? This great film? How could anyone say this about Congo? And to this day, I, I represent Congo. So that's my pick.

• 43:17Speaker 03

  Laura Linney.

• 43:19Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 43:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm a fan. Yeah, you have another one.

• 43:20Sean Fennessey?

  I got another one.

• 43:23Sean Fennessey?

  Failed franchise launch.

• 43:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 43:25Sean Fennessey?

  I'm taking Guy Ritchie's The Man from Uncle.

• 43:28Speaker 06

  Good one.

• 43:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Pretty good one.

• 43:29Sean Fennessey?

  Which was intended, it is an adaptation of a TV show, of course.

• 43:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 43:32Sean Fennessey?

  Um, and was intended, uh, to be this new kind of multi-part star vehicle about these dashing men getting embroiled in crimes and solving crimes. The only good usage of Henry Cavill, in my opinion. Someone who's, I feel like Hollywood has completely misunderstood.

• 43:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I was trying to think, it's always the example that I give when Henry Cavill can do more. And it is The Man from Uncle. So now I'm trying to think of a second one.

• 43:57Speaker 06

  He's quite good in Mission Impossible, isn't he?

• 44:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, he was good in that, in that one.

• 44:02Sean Fennessey?

  But that's sort of counter-programming where you're like, this is Superman, so we're gonna make him a villain, which is an easy move. But, you know, Armie Hammer is one of the stars of this movie, which is one of the reasons why this movie never comes up anymore. But it also features Alicia Vikander, Elizabeth Debicki, Hugh Grant, great cast. Maybe the last truly great Guy Ritchie movie? I have time for a lot of them.

• 44:23Sean Fennessey?

  But this was a movie that was intended to be a big hit and it just was okay.

• 44:26Speaker 06

  Truly great. I would say.

• 44:28Speaker 03

  You still keep in touch with Armie Hammer, Sierra?

• 44:34Sean Fennessey?

  Who, do you? Who runs the Cannibal subreddit?

• 44:39Speaker 03

  What's that text thread? It's probably quiet lately.

• 44:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 44:43Speaker 06

  We're, yeah, it's moved to WhatsApp.

• 44:44Sean Fennessey?

  Did you ever meet him?

• 44:46Speaker 06

  Uh, I've never met Armie Hammer. Have you ever interviewed him?

• 44:48Sean Fennessey?

  No, never met him.

• 44:49Speaker 06

  No?

• 44:49Sean Fennessey?

  Don't know the man.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  Tall. Heard he's like six-five.

• 44:52Sean Fennessey?

  Have you, did you meet him?

• 44:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Two-twenty. And there's two of them.

• 44:54Speaker 03

  Like a tall actor. It's like a complete anomaly.

• 44:57Sean Fennessey?

  He is in a movie right now that we did not see a review on this show called Citizen Vigilante.

• 45:01Speaker 06

  But he has disavowed that film.

• 45:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Uwe Boll is the director of that movie?

• 45:04Speaker 06

  He said that that's not what Uwe Boll told him it was going to be. Which is amazing that you could make a film and then be like, oh my god.

• 45:10Amanda Dobbins?

  He's back from the Bahamas? That's where he was for a while? Or Cayman Islands?

• 45:14Sean Fennessey?

  Cayman Islands.

• 45:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, he was like selling condoms, right?

• 45:16Speaker 03

  I want you guys to know something. I will definitely see Citizen Vigilante. I'm not paying for it, but when it's free on the cable channel, I will absolutely.

• 45:24Sean Fennessey?

  Text us.

• 45:26Speaker 03

  Do you want to review later? Tell me. I'm definitely gonna watch it. I love Vigilante movies.

• 45:31Amanda Dobbins?

  It's me again?

• 45:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, it's you again.

• 45:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put this one to the group and I think it should be eligible. I'm not doing fraud here because it was considered a major disappointment. Or not a major disappointment, but a disappointment. They had bigger goals for it.

• 45:46Speaker 06

  Didn't know it was a disappointment draft.

• 45:49Sean Fennessey?

  Well, we'll see. We'll, we'll be, we'll be the deciders.

• 45:52Amanda Dobbins?

  So just to remind you, I was not sitting at the end of the table saying no to Shawshank Redemption. If you're gonna turn on all of us, this is gonna get real lonely for you really fast.

• 46:01Speaker 06

  I'm not.

• 46:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 46:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, this is my favorite James Gray movie in a movie I love, The Lost City of Z, which was launched by Amazon Studios when Amazon was like, we're gonna make a lot of big movies. And it's a $40 million budget.

• 46:16Speaker 06

  I'm okay with this.

• 46:17Amanda Dobbins?

  It made $8 million. This is a wonderful movie. It also stars Charlie Hunnam. Okay, wow. He's just sitting over there.

• 46:23Speaker 06

  I think that's great.

• 46:24Amanda Dobbins?

  With the little, the line emoji over his.

• 46:26Speaker 06

  I think it's great.

• 46:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, sorry. You don't like Lost City of Z now?

• 46:29Speaker 06

  I love Lost City of Z.

• 46:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay? Her best performance. What could it been if people would give her the kind of roles that James Gray did?

• 46:38Speaker 06

  I love it.

• 46:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Robert Pattinson, also in the mix.

• 46:40Speaker 06

  Charlie Hunnam.

• 46:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And I think Tom Holland, right?

• 46:43Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 46:44Sean Fennessey?

  It was Tom Holland.

• 46:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Decent work?

• 46:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 46:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's young.

• 46:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. He was kind of, kind of a prep for The Odyssey.

• 46:51Amanda Dobbins?

  This is a beautiful movie.

• 46:52Speaker 06

  It's an amazing film. I love this movie.

• 46:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Thank you so much. I do also remember seeing it alone at the Los Feliz three.

• 46:59Speaker 06

  $28 million.

• 47:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. So, yeah, you're just showing him box office, uh.

• 47:03Sean Fennessey?

  Just, yeah.

• 47:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Mojo for Shawshank Redemption.

• 47:06Speaker 06

  Oh, for Shawshank Redemption?

• 47:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm narrating what's happening to the people who are listening at home.

• 47:09Sean Fennessey?

  $28 million domestically.

• 47:11Amanda Dobbins?

  And Chris is looking at the numbers.

• 47:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 47:13Amanda Dobbins?

  But that's under 30.

• 47:14Sean Fennessey?

  It is under 30, but it's like just barely and it's not a huge movie.

• 47:18Speaker 06

  I just, you should, in the future, but it's in the future. Don't say under 30, say like way under 30.

• 47:23Sean Fennessey?

  Well, what I said in the introduction was that these were meant to be big studio tentpole movies. That's not what the Shawshank Redemption is. It's an adaptation of a short story.

• 47:31Speaker 06

  Under a franchise thing. I drafted it for the 3 million thing.

• 47:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, I know.

• 47:35Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 47:36Sean Fennessey?

  I explained to you what the expectations, did I not explain what the expectations were?

• 47:39Speaker 03

  Worldwide made more than 28.

• 47:41Sean Fennessey?

  It did. Yes.

• 47:42Speaker 06

  Okay. But we weren't doing worldwide.

• 47:44Sean Fennessey?

  We were doing domestic, yes.

• 47:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Worldwide, Lost City of Z made 19 million dollars. It only made eight in the US. It made more in France because they love, they respect James Gray more.

• 47:50Sean Fennessey?

  28 million in 1994. That's pretty good.

• 47:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. How often when you're in a fight at home, you say, just in the future? Cause I just, I like, I just transported into your living room and you tried to end it with soap.

• 48:03Speaker 06

  It is actually a staple.

• 48:04Amanda Dobbins?

  This is so vivid. And I know.

• 48:06Sean Fennessey?

  Just in the future.

• 48:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I know. Like, it never goes well.

• 48:08Speaker 06

  I just go, no big deal, but in the future?

• 48:13Speaker 06

  Just know that this is what you're like.

• 48:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I almost had a feeling just felt my entire body like wake up and get ready to absolutely demolish you. Yeah. Okay.

• 48:23Sean Fennessey?

  Okay?

• 48:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm going, I'm doing great.

• 48:25Amanda Dobbins?

  So that's Lost City of Z in less than $30 million domestic wide release.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  $100 million loser adjusted. Somehow Ali is eligible for this.

• 48:33Sean Fennessey?

  He is eligible.

• 48:34Speaker 03

  And I'm going to take it because I love Ali and we just did it on the rewatchables and it's a really good movie.

• 48:39Sean Fennessey?

  Is it good? Are we sure that it's good?

• 48:42Speaker 03

  I think it has a couple of the best stretches, which makes it a rewatchable.

• 48:47Speaker 06

  Open in 15 minutes?

• 48:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:49Sean Fennessey?

  I agree. It really kind of goes off a cliff at a certain point.

• 48:52Speaker 06

  It never actually goes off a cliff. It's just not as entertaining as I think you want it to be.

• 48:56Sean Fennessey?

  Narcolepsy, yeah. Just a little dull in the, in the, in the second half for a Michael Mann movie?

• 49:01Speaker 06

  Yeah. And for a Muhammad Ali movie?

• 49:03Speaker 03

  I think he got overwhelmed by.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  Trying to figure out how to tell Muhammad Ali's entire story.

• 49:08Speaker 06

  He should have Tony'd it. He should have just like picked one thing.

• 49:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that would have been a good idea. Did you say Tony had?

• 49:14Amanda Dobbins?

  No, somehow that didn't work out for me. It's a good story. I'll tell you sometime about it.

• 49:20Speaker 03

  This is a tough, the hundred million dollar loser category is, is rough.

• 49:24Sean Fennessey?

  Um.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  I did not like a lot of the choices, so I wanted to grab Ali.

• 49:28Sean Fennessey?

  It's challenging. I think what it requires for the most part is a reclamation, a saying like, I actually really like this movie.

• 49:35Speaker 03

  It is interesting that this movie did not do well.

• 49:38Sean Fennessey?

  Um, yeah.

• 49:40Speaker 03

  I don't know if it necessarily should be considered a flop, but it definitely lost more than a hundred million dollars. So I guess that's something. Not the only Michael Mann movie to say that, by the way.

• 49:49Speaker 06

  No, there's a couple of Michael Manns out here.

• 49:52Speaker 03

  Probably coming.

• 49:53Speaker 06

  Why don't we take one right now?

• 49:56Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, go ahead.

• 49:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, it's your turn, yeah.

• 49:57Speaker 06

  Um, so for the aforementioned thirty million dollar category, uh, thirty million dollar domestic wide release, I'll take Black Hat.

• 50:05Amanda Dobbins?

  There you go.

• 50:06Speaker 06

  I think Bill and I contributed most of its domestic box office personally.

• 50:12Speaker 03

  We even saw it together.

• 50:13Speaker 06

  Since sustained its home video and physical media releases.

• 50:16Sean Fennessey?

  Also, thank you, Arrow.

• 50:18Speaker 06

  Um, but I still.

• 50:19Speaker 03

  This would have been a hundred million too? Did this was a hundred million adjusted or no?

• 50:23Speaker 06

  They didn't have an exact figure for this one, but it was anywhere between like ninety-two and a hundred and fifty million dollars.

• 50:28Speaker 03

  He just started shooting in China at one point.

• 50:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 50:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, he just gave zero fucks.

• 50:33Speaker 06

  But then there's also that weird moment where when we watched it in the theater, there was still a Getty Images watermark on one of the shots of the nuclear reactor. So it's like, on one hand, he's like blowing all this money. On the other hand, he forgot to pay the Getty license. Anyway.

• 50:46Sean Fennessey?

  Have you seen Black Hat?

• 50:47Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but I have listened to the rewatchables Black Hat episode in full at least once and maybe twice. Because that's like, that's when you guys are really cooking, you know?

• 50:56Speaker 03

  You have to see it five times to understand what happened. And once you see it the fifth time, it all clicks.

• 51:01Speaker 06

  You know how like, when you, when you hear old baseball announcers, like if you ever hear like a tape of Vince Scully or somebody and they're just like beautifully describing the action? That's what I did with the Black Hat director's cut before it was ever available. I did it based on memory from FX broadcasting at once.

• 51:17Sean Fennessey?

  So you told yourself this is what the DC is?

• 51:20Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 51:21Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 51:23Speaker 03

  It also has a hilarious Chris Hemsworth performance that ties into the rewatchability of the movie. He tries to do a, what was it, a Chicago accent or a Brooklyn accent?

• 51:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, he's trying to do the Neil McCauley accent. He's just trying to be.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  And nobody said, ah, dude, just be Australian.

• 51:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:39Speaker 03

  And, um, but he's just really committed to, he's talking like this, like Segal.

• 51:44Speaker 06

  Time is luck.

• 51:45Sean Fennessey?

  Could you give me a one sentence description of what happens in the film?

• 51:48Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 51:49Speaker 06

  Oh, a hacker brings down a, a nuclear plant and then the only person who's in, good enough to catch him is another hacker.

• 51:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:56Speaker 06

  And the other hacker is Chris Hemsworth.

• 51:58Sean Fennessey?

  Why does he take down the nuclear plant?

• 51:59Speaker 06

  To hold the world hostage.

• 52:02Sean Fennessey?

  But isn't it something about money, about betting against that?

• 52:05Speaker 06

  He said it in one sentence.

• 52:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Is he short again?

• 52:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yes.

• 52:09Speaker 03

  Sean, to catch a hacker, you have to be a hacker.

• 52:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:14Speaker 03

  That's the premise.

• 52:14Speaker 06

  Why, you said one sentence.

• 52:16Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think you got it in totality.

• 52:18Speaker 06

  Do you want me to get into like the Chicago mercantile market? Like, yeah, but that's not a sentence.

• 52:22Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it's just gonna be a long sentence.

• 52:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, add some clauses.

• 52:25Speaker 03

  Black Hat's elite.

• 52:27Speaker 06

  Good choice, Chris.

• 52:30Sean Fennessey?

  No, it's a great pick.

• 52:31Speaker 06

  Thanks.

• 52:31Sean Fennessey?

  It's not a great movie, but it's a great pick.

• 52:33Speaker 03

  It definitely, definitely fits the bomb flop category too, because I don't think anyone ever gave Michael Mann that amount of money again to make a movie.

• 52:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, they did. They gave him ninety-five million dollars to make Ferrari.

• 52:43Speaker 03

  That's how much Ferrari costs, though.

• 52:45Sean Fennessey?

  That's, and then that's where I thought he might go. And so we've got Ali and Ferrari and Black Hat on the ledger and still.

• 52:51Speaker 06

  And I don't think Public Enemy's made a lot of money, right?

• 52:53Sean Fennessey?

  It did better.

• 52:54Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 52:54Sean Fennessey?

  It did better.

• 52:55Speaker 03

  Sean, did you think about having an entire category for Adam Driver movies or no?

• 53:00Sean Fennessey?

  Well, we'll see, you know, he's, he's, he's gonna be an X-Men villain, so I think everything's gonna be all right on Adam Driver Island.

• 53:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you anti Adam Driver?

• 53:08Speaker 03

  I'm a results guy, Amanda.

• 53:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I'm, I'm learning that.

• 53:11Speaker 03

  Every once in a while, you gotta have a hit. You gotta have a winning season.

• 53:15Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he took a lot of chances.

• 53:16Amanda Dobbins?

  On paper have made sense. And also he was Kylo Ren in the Star Wars movies. Have you seen the new Star Wars? Sixty-five.

• 53:23Sean Fennessey?

  Sixty-five.

• 53:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't hate it.

• 53:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 53:25Sean Fennessey?

  It's not, it's fine.

• 53:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it was fine.

• 53:27Sean Fennessey?

  It's fine. You didn't see that. Sixty-five?

• 53:30Speaker 06

  No, I didn't see that. And sixty-five refers to?

• 53:32Sean Fennessey?

  Sixty-five million years ago.

• 53:34Speaker 06

  DC, yeah.

• 53:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Where are you on, but is it?

• 53:38Sean Fennessey?

  I believe so.

• 53:39Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I know, but it wasn't in there like at the ending. It doesn't set up.

• 53:43Sean Fennessey?

  Let's not spoil sixty-five for the millions and millions listening at home who've never seen it.

• 53:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Where are you on Girls right now?

• 53:49Speaker 03

  Um, the Renaissance is trying to happen.

• 53:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 53:53Speaker 03

  It's trying.

• 53:53Amanda Dobbins?

  It's trying.

• 53:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:55Amanda Dobbins?

  But you were there.

• 53:55Speaker 03

  It's been interesting with my daughter's generation. It's not a hundred percent caught on.

• 53:59Sean Fennessey?

  Driver and Chris Abbott were cast in the X-Men movies.

• 54:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I saw that.

• 54:02Sean Fennessey?

  So for Girls fans, something is happening.

• 54:06Speaker 03

  I, I feel like it's still like two years too soon. I think like two thousand twenty-nine, I think it really.

• 54:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 54:12Speaker 03

  It's not, we're not enough nostalgia-y away from it.

• 54:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, that'll be twenty years.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, two thousand twelve it starts. No.

• 54:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I think, yeah, around that.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  You need about fifteen years.

• 54:20Speaker 06

  Is Girls on Netflix yet? Or did it ever have a Netflix run?

• 54:23Speaker 03

  So that's when it will probably take off.

• 54:26Sean Fennessey?

  When they license it.

• 54:26Speaker 03

  Because Sex and the City had a whole revival when Netflix ran it.

• 54:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 54:30Sean Fennessey?

  All right, Sierra, I think you have another pick.

• 54:32Speaker 06

  I do. And for failed franchise, I'm gonna take Master and Commander, uh, which was supposed to launch the, uh, Patrick O'Brien, um, Jack Aubrey.

• 54:40Speaker 03

  Franchise.

• 54:41Speaker 06

  Uh, franchise. And it's just like, they all loved making it. Peter Weir did an incredible job. Everybody was hopeful that they were gonna keep making these movies and.

• 54:48Speaker 03

  Concepcion loves that movie.

• 54:49Speaker 06

  Yeah. I mean, it's, it's one of my faves. So, uh, really too bad because these would have been fantastic and it still stands as like a terrifically entertaining blockbuster.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  I'm gonna take another Ebert zero star off the board because I don't really like the, the selections. Little movie called The Hitcher?

• 55:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I was surprised to see that this got zero stars.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  Rucker, Howard, Jennifer, Jason Lee.

• 55:12Speaker 06

  Wait, did you already take Police Academy?

• 55:15Sean Fennessey?

  You did.

• 55:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:16Sean Fennessey?

  You're double drafting it.

• 55:17Speaker 03

  Am I only allowed one?

• 55:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:18Speaker 03

  Oh, I thought I had to draft a couple.

• 55:20Sean Fennessey?

  No, it's one per category.

• 55:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 55:22Speaker 03

  Oh, then I'm not taking The Hitcher.

• 55:24Sean Fennessey?

  Well, somebody might want it in the future. Would you like to hear anything from the review of The Hitcher that Ebert wrote?

• 55:30Speaker 03

  So this is a lot easier if we only have to do one.

• 55:32Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 55:32Speaker 03

  I thought we had to do like six.

• 55:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Where, what made you say that?

• 55:36Sean Fennessey?

  I drafted four.

• 55:39Sean Fennessey?

  Wait, did you have a head injury? We don't draft twelve times?

• 55:43Speaker 03

  I was all excited. I was excited to really get into this.

• 55:45Sean Fennessey?

  Here's what Raj had to say in his closing paragraph about The Hitcher. But on its own terms, this movie is diseased and corrupt. I would have admired it more if it had found the courage to acknowledge the real relationship it was portraying between Howell and Rutger, but no. It prefers to disguise itself as a violent thriller, and on that level, it is to me reprehensible. He's such a moral king.

• 56:04Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:05Sean Fennessey?

  It was very important to him.

• 56:06Speaker 06

  Unless it was like, this movie was entertaining.

• 56:11Speaker 03

  All right, so I'll, I'll do, uh, for failed franchise launches, does Next Karate Kid count? Trying to do a female Karate Kid?

• 56:19Sean Fennessey?

  I say no. I say no because it is essentially a sequel.

• 56:22Speaker 03

  Part of the sequel thing?

• 56:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  All right, back to the drawing board.

• 56:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 56:26Speaker 03

  Oh, man, there's so many good Rotten Tomato twenty-five and unders. It's, it's a smorgasbord. I'm gonna take eight millimeter.

• 56:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 56:37Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 56:38Speaker 03

  First of all, outrageous that this is under twenty-five on Rotten Tomatoes. You people are all.

• 56:44Speaker 06

  What's the popcorn meter on this one?

• 56:46Speaker 03

  Absolutely outrageous.

• 56:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm not affiliated with Rotten Tomatoes.

• 56:49Speaker 03

  You people.

• 56:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I am not on the tomato meter.

• 56:51Speaker 03

  These are people you sit with at screeners. They should all be ashamed.

• 56:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I do.

• 56:54Sean Fennessey?

  It's at fifty-two percent. So, uh, it's still the tipped over bucket of popcorn. It's not an upright bucket of popcorn.

• 57:02Speaker 06

  It's an upright bottle, bucket of popcorn when Bill watches it.

• 57:05Sean Fennessey?

  That's exactly right.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  There's about forty-five minutes of this movie that is like maybe the best forty-five minutes of the nineties.

• 57:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 57:12Speaker 03

  As soon as Joaquin Phoenix shows up, this movie takes off.

• 57:15Sean Fennessey?

  We should make Amanda watch this.

• 57:19Speaker 06

  I actually think you, you would like it. It's just like a.

• 57:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Did you say Joaquin Phoenix? I'm in.

• 57:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 57:23Speaker 03

  Amanda.

• 57:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 57:25Speaker 03

  You're gonna see some things you can't unsee.

• 57:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 57:29Speaker 03

  It's an actual quote from eight millimeter.

• 57:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I believe that.

• 57:31Speaker 03

  So we have to go into the darkest part of the sex movie world. Yeah. Uh, I couldn't recommend this movie more highly.

• 57:40Speaker 03

  Nick Cage, right as it's starting to flip for him. It's, he's just starting to get pretty weird. Um, Machine, played by Chris Bowers. An all time that guy with an all time performance. Gandolfini, as scummy and horrible as he's ever been in a movie, which is saying something because he fights Patricia Arquette in True Romance and might actually be worse in this movie.

• 58:01Speaker 06

  Stormer.

• 58:02Speaker 03

  And then Stormer, our guy playing Dino Velvet. And then the, the, the guy from Silence of the Lambs, the doctor, the evil doctor. He's in this too.

• 58:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 58:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then sadly, Catherine Keener just is on the phone for like five scenes.

• 58:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:20Speaker 03

  He's like, honey, could not could be home for two more weeks. And she's just like holding a baby. It's one of those performances.

• 58:28Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 58:29Sean Fennessey?

  Joel Schumacher is one of the most interesting people in the history of movies. This is his run in the 1990s. Flatliners, dying young, falling down, a client, Batman Forever, A Time to Kill, Batman and Robin, Eight Millimeter, Flawless.

• 58:47Speaker 03

  What's Flawless?

• 58:48Sean Fennessey?

  That's Philip Seymour Hoffman and Robert De Niro. Philip Seymour Hoffman, they play neighbors.

• 58:53Speaker 03

  Starts with a plane crash.

• 58:55Sean Fennessey?

  Does it start with a plane crash?

• 58:56Speaker 06

  That's fearless.

• 58:56Sean Fennessey?

  No, fearless.

• 58:57Speaker 03

  What's Flawless?

• 58:58Sean Fennessey?

  Flawless is like a dramedy about a gay man living next door to an old crank and like they learn to love each other.

• 59:07Speaker 03

  Ah, missed that one.

• 59:09Speaker 06

  Really?

• 59:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 06

  I've never heard of this.

• 59:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Either.

• 59:14Sean Fennessey?

  Really?

• 59:15Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 59:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Hoffman plays a drag queen and like De Niro is injured in some way and he has to help take care of him.

• 59:21Speaker 06

  Oh, is he like an ex marine or something like that or like an ex cop? He's like, ah, god damn it.

• 59:25Sean Fennessey?

  That's lioness you're thinking of.

• 59:28Speaker 06

  They're all active marines.

• 59:32Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, okay. I think Amanda has a pick.

• 59:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I think so. I'm going to take the remaining film that I'm the most passionate about. So in failed franchise launch, I'm taking Salt from 2010 starring Angelina Jolie. Give me Salt Two. They set it up right at the end. She's in the forest. She's still got the bad wig. There's so much room to cover. Let's go.

• 59:56Speaker 06

  Would you reboot Salt with a contemporary actress?

• 59:59Speaker 03

  No. Great pick.

• 1:00:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Let her get Angelina in Salt Two. She can do it.

• 1:00:04Sean Fennessey?

  Salt, colon, Pepper.

• 1:00:06Amanda Dobbins?

  There you go.

• 1:00:06Sean Fennessey?

  And who's playing Pepper? Penelope Cruz.

• 1:00:09Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I was going to say Gwyneth Paltrow, but yeah, there we go.

• 1:00:12Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:00:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, I'm thinking ahead. This is a wonderful film that I believe our producer, Jack Sanders, still has not seen. That's okay. I'm trying to make it a thing on the big picture, but right now it's just me being like Salt was a

• 1:00:25Sean Fennessey?

  It's totally okay.

• 1:00:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Average thriller. I'll tell you though, I rewatched it a couple of months ago just to see if my memory held up and Zach was just like poking his head in the other room being like, maybe I'll, maybe I'll sit down and watch a little bit of this with you. And I don't really get him joining in that many of the rewatches.

• 1:00:40Speaker 06

  Did they make a, did they make a second Wanted?

• 1:00:43Sean Fennessey?

  Don't think so.

• 1:00:44Speaker 06

  That was another

• 1:00:45Sean Fennessey?

  She has a few of those. I actually have Wanted on my long list for failed franchise launch.

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  Sounds good. Angelina as an action star just never really got tapped into correctly. I thought in Gone in 60 Seconds, she's just absolutely elite. What was the other one when she tried to become a?

• 1:01:00Sean Fennessey?

  See the Tomb Raider films?

• 1:01:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, the Tomb Raider one she did. And there was one more she did too.

• 1:01:04Amanda Dobbins?

  The Firewatch one?

• 1:01:05Speaker 03

  I just thought she was really believable in all, because she was tall and she was athletic.

• 1:01:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:10Speaker 03

  She's perfect. Too bad.

• 1:01:13Sean Fennessey?

  She didn't want it.

• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  She didn't want it. She just wanted to have kids and have like six kids.

• 1:01:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:17Speaker 03

  Just traipse them around.

• 1:01:19Speaker 06

  Traipse them, traipse them around.

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• 1:02:47Sean Fennessey?

  Do I have a pick?

• 1:02:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:49Amanda Dobbins?

  You have two.

• 1:02:50Sean Fennessey?

  Better look at this doc, see where we're at.

• 1:02:52Speaker 03

  Salt was really strong. That should have been a franchise.

• 1:02:54Sean Fennessey?

  So I need less than 30 million domestic, Star Bomb and Lost 100 Million.

• 1:03:02Speaker 03

  I think we should add a wild card category.

• 1:03:03Sean Fennessey?

  We can if you'd like.

• 1:03:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, right now?

• 1:03:05Speaker 03

  No, no, just for

• 1:03:06Sean Fennessey?

  100 million losers' club. Again, this is cheating a little bit the way that Amanda did with COVID, but I'm going to do it anyway and I'm going to pick The Last Duel. Speaking, it's Ridley Scott

• 1:03:14Speaker 03

  No, that's fair.

• 1:03:15Sean Fennessey?

  Here on the big picture.

• 1:03:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:16Sean Fennessey?

  And this is a Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Jodie Comer vehicle about a violent sexual act told from three different perspectives in medieval times and is honestly a corker, like a really, really entertaining movie, really well made.

• 1:03:34Sean Fennessey?

  Oh my gosh. Nicole Hollis Center wrote, co-wrote the screenplay with, with Affleck and Damon. And I thought it was like a pretty slick and smart movie. And after I saw it, I was like, oh, wow. Oscar time for the boys. They're back. This is great. Ridley's going back and then nobody fucking saw it and nobody cared about it. And it even got some reviews that were like, this film is insensitive. And I was like, it's the exact opposite of that. This is one of the only thought provoking versions of a story like this ever made. So I'm a big fan of this movie.

• 1:04:01Speaker 06

  That was 21?

• 1:04:03Sean Fennessey?

  It was the same year, I think it's 22.

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  Pushed a little too because of COVID.

• 1:04:06Sean Fennessey?

  And it's the same year as House of Gucci, which got absolutely pilloryed

• 1:04:09Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:10Sean Fennessey?

  critically. And I feel like it kind of, they got, kind of got lumped together.

• 1:04:12Speaker 03

  That movie was awful.

• 1:04:13Sean Fennessey?

  And The Last Duel is obviously superior.

• 1:04:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I loved it.

• 1:04:15Speaker 03

  It was really bad.

• 1:04:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it's silly, but

• 1:04:18Speaker 03

  Last Duel is a classic wrong time movie.

• 1:04:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:22Speaker 03

  If it comes out in 2011, I think it does really well. I think if it comes out right now, it does really well, but it was like, it was like the dead center of the Me Too era. It's right after COVID. I just, I feel like people didn't want to go see a movie like that.

• 1:04:35Sean Fennessey?

  It was attempting to address a lot of what was in the culture, but it actually isn't what people wanted to go to the movies for.

• 1:04:39Speaker 03

  No, nobody's going to the theater for that. But now I think maybe in IMAX, I think they would have redone things differently. And I think that movie could have been a big movie. It's good. It's a good movie.

• 1:04:50Speaker 06

  We gotta get some of our brightest minds on

• 1:04:53Sean Fennessey?

  By the way, Adam Driver's in that movie.

• 1:04:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:55Speaker 06

  Identifying how much money

• 1:04:57Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 1:04:57Speaker 06

  Ridley Scott has lost since The Martian. Like on all of his projects, because it's Covenant, which I love, All the Money in the World, Last Duel, House of Gucci, Napoleon Gladiator Two, and the upcoming Dog Stars. So that is an incredible run. The films, regardless of how they did, are all very expensive.

• 1:05:14Sean Fennessey?

  It's true.

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  All the Money in the World is also really good. I like that movie.

• 1:05:18Amanda Dobbins?

  It's pretty good.

• 1:05:18Speaker 06

  It's pretty good for a movie that had to surgically implant Christopher Plummer into it.

• 1:05:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, a fame, one of the most famous reshoots of all time.

• 1:05:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:26Speaker 06

  And he was like, I can still make my date.

• 1:05:28Sean Fennessey?

  And he chose to delete Kevin Spacey. Yes, that was amazing when he did it in like 14 days and then they finished the movie in time.

• 1:05:33Speaker 03

  I really respect that movie because the degree of difficulty had to have been like a 9.95 to do it on time.

• 1:05:39Sean Fennessey?

  You were still on Walburg Island back then too, though. He could do no wrong. Where are you at on Walburg these days?

• 1:05:45Speaker 03

  Ben and I just watched The Departed and he's so good in that. I'm back in.

• 1:05:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:05:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:48Speaker 03

  It's like the best he's ever been. You know why? Because he embraced that he's a fucking asshole from Boston. And he was like, this is who I am. And he fucking crushed it. He's so good in it.

• 1:05:57Sean Fennessey?

  It's true. Dobbins, you got another pick?

• 1:05:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I do?

• 1:06:00Speaker 06

  Wait, did you get two?

• 1:06:02Sean Fennessey?

  I only did one, my bad. Okay, so I've got less than 30 million domestic and Star Bomb. In Star Bomb, I'm just going to go with an all time classic. I'm going to do Ishtar. So

• 1:06:14Speaker 03

  Great pick.

• 1:06:15Sean Fennessey?

  You know, one of the most oft cited, I think wildly misunderstood movie and a movie that I think was damaged by the pre-release press, which is something that started to happen more and more in the early 1980s. And of course, Warren Beatty didn't make very many movies. So anytime he made a movie, there was a lot of scuttlebutt about it. And interesting movie in that like Beatty and Dustin Hoffman, the two stars are kind of like sort of flip parts and they're playing kind of the inverse of each other.

• 1:06:40Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:06:41Sean Fennessey?

  And

• 1:06:41Speaker 03

  Big mistake.

• 1:06:42Sean Fennessey?

  You know, it, it maybe doesn't work as well as it could have. Features my, my goat, Charles Grodin, and one of his best performances. He's hysterical in this movie.

• 1:06:49Speaker 03

  He's the CIA guy or something?

• 1:06:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Elaine May, very, very, very funny director and writer of the movie. And it got a really bad reputation and got really bad press. It didn't do like that bad at the box office. It made like 20 something million, but it was expected to be huge because it's this big international shoot traveling to, to Africa. But I think it's pretty funny and I think the song and dance stuff between the two of them is pretty good. So it's one of those things where like you come to it with the lowest of expectations when it's a historical flop. And then you're like, this is the movie that was the biggest problem in Hollywood?

• 1:07:22Speaker 03

  You know, it's interesting about that movie. You know, I've talked about sometimes when people reach that stage of their career where they've been successful and then there's the undercurrent and people are just like, ah, fuck that guy.

• 1:07:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:07:33Speaker 03

  And they're kind of waiting for, to jump. This movie had two people at the same time in Fuck That Guy kind of range, right? Hoffman's coming off Kramer versus Kramer, kind of a notorious prick behind the scenes. People were waiting for him. And then Warren Beatty had just been super successful over and over again, defied expectations. So the claws were out, waiting for this to be a bad movie, and it was expensive. There's been a lot of good stuff written about it.

• 1:08:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:01Speaker 03

  Like Warren Beatty had the biography written about him, and there's like a huge chapter about him. That, any Hollywood book.

• 1:08:08Sean Fennessey?

  Was there an Ishtar book?

• 1:08:09Speaker 03

  No, but there's been a lot of different.

• 1:08:11Sean Fennessey?

  Was there a podcast? I think there may have been a podcast about the making of Ishtar that came out a few years ago. But the chapter in Star, the Peter Biskin book about Beatty is really, really good. The other thing is that it's, it basically killed Elaine May's career as a movie director. You know, she was the one who really took the brunt because three years later, Beatty bounces back with a move that we think is relatively modern, but he's like, he made a comic book movie. He made Dick Tracy.

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:36Sean Fennessey?

  To kind of reclaim his bankability and recover from this in a super smart way. And Dick Tracy's great and really interesting in a lot of ways.

• 1:08:42Speaker 06

  And then Bullworth?

• 1:08:43Sean Fennessey?

  And then Bullworth, which is also.

• 1:08:45Speaker 03

  The title was another one. Ishtar just sounds like it should be a bomb. Because there's been other bombs, like I Love Trouble was a bomb, but I Love Trouble isn't as fun to say as Ishtar.

• 1:08:53Sean Fennessey?

  But they're both great pun, like Ishtar, like that was a very easy joke to make about the movie. Just like I Love Trouble is like, nobody loves I Love Trouble, you know?

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  I was definitely aware that Ishtar was a bomb when I was a kid.

• 1:09:05Sean Fennessey?

  It's pretty funny.

• 1:09:06Speaker 03

  This was like the Kramer versus Kramer dad and the guy from Heaven Can Waiter in a movie and nobody likes it.

• 1:09:11Amanda Dobbins?

  And then it did become shorthand for this movie is just, this is doomed.

• 1:09:14Sean Fennessey?

  Exactly.

• 1:09:15Speaker 03

  That's a good pick.

• 1:09:16Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, Amanda, you're up.

• 1:09:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. This is a personal pick. This is meaningful to me. So from Ebert, zero stars. I will take North, the 1994 Rob Reiner film that, at which I celebrated my 10th birthday. This was my go to the movies with a group of people. And we selected North, I think because it was for children. And also because the last Rob Reiner movie before that was A Few Good Men, which is one of the great movies of our time. I, it's not good. I rewatched some of it yesterday and it's pretty embarrassing and culturally insensitive. I will say that the bad guy, AKA the 10 year old kid, his friend who's setting him up

• 1:10:02Amanda Dobbins?

  on this journey across the world, makes some good points about old people and parents just, you know, not understanding and needing to get out of the way and let, let kids do their own thing. But, you know, I was there. I was, I was 10. What else can I say? I have a fun, it's a great cast.

• 1:10:21Sean Fennessey?

  This is your Congo.

• 1:10:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. It's, it's not good, but I had a nice birthday, I think.

• 1:10:27Speaker 03

  The casting mistake was, was putting the two of them together from Seinfeld as a couple.

• 1:10:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:32Speaker 03

  I just think that, that was, people were already like, wait, what's going on? They're going to be married in this? That was bad. And then the movie was bad.

• 1:10:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:40Speaker 03

  It wasted a lot of good talent.

• 1:10:42Sean Fennessey?

  It's a notorious film for a variety of reasons. I mean, it's Rob Reiner streak coming to an end.

• 1:10:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:48Sean Fennessey?

  The, this is Spinal Tap, The Sure Thing, Stand By Me, Princess Bride, When Harry Met Sally, Misery, A Few Good Men, all in a row. Which, you know, obviously we celebrated him after he passed away and just that incredible series of movies. And this is really the movie, he, he does bounce back with American President right afterwards, which is huge for you. But.

• 1:11:06Speaker 03

  When's CR streak gonna end? What's gonna be his North?

• 1:11:09Sean Fennessey?

  What do you mean? You keep talking about this, like the Sixers didn't get their fucking heads blown off in the playoffs by the New York Knicks. What streak is he on? He traded for Jalen Brown.

• 1:11:17Speaker 03

  Everybody thinks CR is on a streak. Amanda knows.

• 1:11:21Sean Fennessey?

  You see him get shut down with Shawshank? We were like, nope. If this was really CR's year, wouldn't you have gotten that over the line?

• 1:11:25Speaker 06

  No, the reason why I'm like, like people actually like me is because I'm like, all right, no, no big deal. I like throw the microphone up in the air, walk out.

• 1:11:36Sean Fennessey?

  The other thing is that this is the meanest review ever written. In the first paragraph of this review, Roger Ebert writes, "North is one of the most unpleasant, contrived, artificial clawing experiences I've had at the movies. To call it manipulative would be inaccurate. It has an ambition to manipulate, but it fails."

• 1:11:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:11:51Sean Fennessey?

  That's the first paragraph.

• 1:11:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:53Speaker 03

  And was read at the Rob Reiner roast as a way to roast Rob Reiner. Yeah, one of the comedians went up and just read the Ebert review.

• 1:12:01Sean Fennessey?

  It's a pretty impressive deconstruction of why the movie doesn't work. But also a very notable and important flaw.

• 1:12:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. It is also a little, do you ever wonder, like, reading all these reviews? He has, he had preferences for sure, but like sometimes you're like, what was going on with Roger that day?

• 1:12:17Speaker 03

  All the daily critics.

• 1:12:18Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, it's like, and I get it. I mean, we've all been there, right?

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:12:22Amanda Dobbins?

  And, but I'm just like.

• 1:12:23Speaker 03

  I know for a fact, it'd be like, there's no parking, you know? I had to pee, missed a major part of the movie, came back, you know?

• 1:12:30Amanda Dobbins?

  But also like, you know, you, other things have happened in life and you have 45 minutes to write this entire thing before. You gotta go pick your kit up or whatever.

• 1:12:38Speaker 06

  Let's go.

• 1:12:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:12:40Sean Fennessey?

  But sometimes, as you said with that Canby review, it can have an amazing knockdown effect. If Canby just had a bad day and he thought Heaven's Gate was too long and then all of a sudden everybody followed suit.

• 1:12:47Speaker 06

  What did my dad do to the Leprechaun franchise, you know?

• 1:12:50Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I honestly think it's still going. I think there are like seven or eight installments of it.

• 1:12:55Speaker 03

  My next pick is for the less than 30. So many good choices for this. I was prepared to make six picks in this category as I continue to misunderstand the draft.

• 1:13:07Speaker 03

  It came down to a couple of these we've actually done on rewatchables. But I'm gonna take Manhunter. A movie that weirdly was considered kind of a bomb when it came out and kind of hurt Wayne Peterson's career. And then it sent Michael Mann a little bit of a tailspin. I think the studio thought it was gonna do better. And now 40 years later, it's considered a masterpiece. So there you go. That's a recurring theme for my list, I guess, movies that I like more than what their reception was. But there's some unbelievable candidates. At the end of this, I'd like to, unless we do a wild card. There's some really good candidates for this one. There's movies that just didn't make money that you look at the numbers and you're like, Jesus.

• 1:13:51Speaker 06

  Where do you stand on directors going into their older films like Michael Mann has been doing and James Cameron's been doing and tweaking it with the physical media?

• 1:13:58Speaker 03

  I don't like it at all.

• 1:14:01Speaker 03

  It's terrible.

• 1:14:02Speaker 06

  I agree.

• 1:14:03Sean Fennessey?

  Trying to think if there's a good case for it.

• 1:14:05Speaker 03

  Like Joe Mazzola was like, I'm gonna tweak the 2004 finals so Jason looks a little better in it.

• 1:14:11Sean Fennessey?

  Don't you think that's what they're trying to do right now?

• 1:14:13Speaker 03

  Maybe. After we Trojan horse Jalen to the Sixers. No, I don't like it.

• 1:14:19Sean Fennessey?

  I heard you're in on PG now. You feel like it's a good idea?

• 1:14:21Speaker 03

  I'm just getting there. Enjoy that. Getting there with Paul George. Here, here's where I would say, I'm okay with tweaking a movie.

• 1:14:28Amanda Dobbins?

  He's the cat, right?

• 1:14:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:30Amanda Dobbins?

  That's the funniest thing I've ever seen.

• 1:14:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Good stuff, Phil.

• 1:14:36Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:14:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Where's Paul George?

• 1:14:39Speaker 03

  Here's where I, I'm okay with the tweaks. When we could do stuff like in the original Rocky. When it's clear, they do the wide shots and it's clearly there's 50 people because they couldn't afford extras.

• 1:14:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. But you're putting in CGI extras?

• 1:14:54Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:14:54Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:14:55Speaker 03

  Why not?

• 1:14:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Because the CGI crowd extras are the single worst technology thing that's happened to the movies.

• 1:15:01Speaker 03

  Whatever we need to do to make it or darken it or whatever.

• 1:15:04Amanda Dobbins?

  They haven't figured it out.

• 1:15:04Speaker 06

  Do a crowd scene or whatever.

• 1:15:05Sean Fennessey?

  One of the worst additions of that is in the Ridley Scott film Exodus Gods and Kings, which I saw very memorably the morning after a Granland Holiday Party. And was supposed to meet Rembert Brown there to see it at the ArcLight and Rembert did not show up.

• 1:15:18Speaker 06

  Wasn't that Prometheus that we went and saw?

• 1:15:20Sean Fennessey?

  That was me and you and Andy saw Prometheus after Granland Party. And then two years later, his next film was Exodus Gods and Kings.

• 1:15:28Speaker 06

  Rem stood you up?

• 1:15:29Sean Fennessey?

  He stood me up, yeah. An hour and a half into the movie, he texted me, sorry, dog, I don't think I'm gonna make it.

• 1:15:36Speaker 03

  Definitely sounds like Rembert.

• 1:15:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm okay with like tweaks. As long as they're not actual tweaks, like changing scenes, cutting scenes. I'm against that. Are you, what are your stance here?

• 1:15:49Speaker 06

  I don't, I don't like it, especially with films that mean a lot to me. I understand, like Cameron's drive to perfect certain special effects that he has there. And, but when it gets to Fincher removing like dust from people's glasses lenses, I just don't under.

• 1:16:04Speaker 03

  Like they did, Stallone did a Rocky IV re-edit. As you know, I'm probably, Rocky IV is probably one of the 12 movies I've seen the most times.

• 1:16:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:16:12Speaker 03

  I refuse to watch it.

• 1:16:13Speaker 06

  But I think man took stuff like Ryan's out of Manhunter, I believe is what people are saying. Okay. I'm up.

• 1:16:22Speaker 06

  For, so what do I have left here?

• 1:16:24Sean Fennessey?

  I think you have sub 25% Rotten Tomatoes and Ebert, zero stars. So you avoided the critical drubblings.

• 1:16:31Speaker 06

  Well, I'll tell you what I'm gonna do here is in Ebert, I'm gonna take one of the harshest reviews I've ever read, which is for Wolf Creek, an early 2000s horror movie from Australia, directed by Greg McLean. And I recently showed this to a couple of teenagers who, we usually watch horror movies together.

• 1:16:52Sean Fennessey?

  Where'd you pick them up? Where'd they come from? Cruising the local mall?

• 1:16:55Speaker 06

  My friends' daughters, who we usually watch like Faces of Death, like, like we've watched a bunch of horror movies. And there, we were like casually.

• 1:17:02Speaker 03

  What's going on right now?

• 1:17:04Speaker 06

  My friend has like teenage daughters that we have, like that when we go to Oregon, we hang out with.

• 1:17:08Speaker 03

  Oh, got it.

• 1:17:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Oregon.

• 1:17:09Speaker 06

  And then we usually watch horror movies, like we've watched Blair Witch, we've watched movies. And then I was like, oh yeah, I think like Wolf Creek would be really good. And we watched Wolf Creek. And like when the, when Wolf Creek gets dark, they were like, do you like this?

• 1:17:25Speaker 06

  Is this what you watch?

• 1:17:28Speaker 06

  And I'll tell you why. Here's Roger Ebert's review of Wolf Creek. I had a hard time watching Wolf Creek. It is a film with one clear purpose, to establish the commercial credentials of its director by showing a skill at depicting the brutal tracking torture and mutilation of screaming young women. When the killer severs the spine of one of his victims and calls her a head on a stick, I wanted to walk out of the theater and keep on walking. Look, when you take a lot of at bats, sometimes you're gonna strike out, you know? And that's what happened with me the time I showed teenagers Wolf Creek. But it doesn't mean it's a bad movie. And part of it, what's going on in this review is Ebert's like, this has 82% on the

• 1:18:10Speaker 06

  tomato meter, and everybody who thinks it's good is like a sexual criminal.

• 1:18:16Speaker 06

  But, you know.

• 1:18:17Sean Fennessey?

  And you join their link.

• 1:18:18Speaker 03

  Did we all do zero star reviews for Ebert at this point?

• 1:18:22Sean Fennessey?

  I think we did.

• 1:18:22Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:18:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:18:23Speaker 03

  Cause I thought it was notable. He's done, what, 76 total?

• 1:18:26Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:18:27Speaker 03

  He gave zero star reviews to both versions of I Spit on Your Grave?

• 1:18:31Speaker 06

  Yes, yes.

• 1:18:33Speaker 03

  He was just out. I don't, he didn't like the Saw type of movies. He didn't like, like the sexual depravity horror movies, like all that stuff.

• 1:18:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah. He famously hated slashers. He really didn't like very many slashers at all, and especially slashers that were very gore centric. And obviously Wolf Creek is very, very gnarly.

• 1:18:52Speaker 06

  The theaters are crowded right now with wonderful, thrilling, funny, warm-hearted, dramatic, artistic, inspiring, entertaining movies. If anyone you know says this is the one they want to see, my advice is don't know that person anymore.

• 1:19:05Speaker 03

  Wow. Ebert.

• 1:19:07Sean Fennessey?

  And that was what those teenagers said to you.

• 1:19:09Speaker 06

  But they're all like, they're like, let's watch like, this like, Japanese mental asylum like movie. Like that's like, they throw.

• 1:19:17Speaker 03

  If Ebert had been a serial killer, it would have been the greatest.

• 1:19:21Speaker 06

  Cause he would have stolen.

• 1:19:22Speaker 03

  Cover up, right? Like, I'd look at all these things I wrote about these type. But meanwhile, he was like, cruising in the Pacific Northwest.

• 1:19:28Speaker 06

  Did you see that there was a, a house that the alleged Zodiac killer used to stay at is for sale in LA?

• 1:19:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Ooh, where is it?

• 1:19:34Speaker 06

  It's pretty expensive. It's 1.5.

• 1:19:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Zodiac killer house for sale. Wow, real estate corner. Where is this?

• 1:19:40Speaker 06

  I'll grab it.

• 1:19:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:19:41Speaker 06

  I'll grab it. I'll send it to you later. But anyway.

• 1:19:43Speaker 03

  The best one was that one near Dodger Stadium on the cliff that Danny Trejo died in heat.

• 1:19:49Speaker 06

  Oh my god.

• 1:19:50Speaker 03

  When that was for sale. That, other than the Boogie Nights house, that was the one I probably stared at the longest on Red.

• 1:19:56Sean Fennessey?

  Can you believe we don't work at a West Covina at this point?

• 1:19:58Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, even I.

• 1:20:01Speaker 06

  Yeah. Um, oh, and I have sub, sub 25% on Rotten Tomatoes.

• 1:20:06Speaker 03

  Don't do me like this, Neil.

• 1:20:07Speaker 06

  And it's hard to imagine, uh, fall, you know, because it's 96 degrees here in Los Angeles. It's so hot. It's hard to imagine Halloween almost being upon us. But when it is, one of my favorite traditions is to watch Friday the 13th, part four, the final chapter.

• 1:20:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Did it turn out to be the final chapter?

• 1:20:31Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 1:20:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:31Sean Fennessey?

  Why are you trying to make that sound like you're Mr. Rogers?

• 1:20:34Amanda Dobbins?

  It's a 25%.

• 1:20:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:20:37Sean Fennessey?

  One of my favorite traditions is to break out the old coffee mug, pour myself a cup of joe.

• 1:20:42Speaker 03

  I can do 20 minutes on this right now.

• 1:20:44Speaker 06

  The hospital?

• 1:20:45Speaker 03

  Just Friday the 13th, part four.

• 1:20:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:20:47Speaker 03

  Corey Feldman.

• 1:20:48Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:20:49Speaker 03

  Lawrence Monison, the kid from Last American Virgin, as one of the worst performances of all time.

• 1:20:53Speaker 06

  Glover's in this. Kristen Glover's in this one.

• 1:20:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:56Speaker 06

  It's awesome.

• 1:20:57Speaker 03

  The last 25 minutes of this movie are, is actually legitimately good, in my opinion.

• 1:21:01Speaker 06

  I mean, I, I think the first 40 minutes of it in the hospital are incredible.

• 1:21:05Speaker 03

  It turns out, it's a, the ending, they kill Jason, but Corey Feldman as a 10-year-old kills Jason. He shaves his head to freak out Jason. And then at the end, he's hugging his sister and he kinda like, and he has a crazy look.

• 1:21:20Amanda Dobbins?

  And he becomes.

• 1:21:20Speaker 03

  And you feel like the torch has passed to Corey Feldman.

• 1:21:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, yeah.

• 1:21:23Speaker 03

  And then in part five, they completely forgot about it. Just go back to Jason. Wait, I thought we cut his head off. Do you like final chapter?

• 1:21:30Sean Fennessey?

  Um, yeah, I do. I think I like five a little bit more, but five, like, he does appear at the beginning of five.

• 1:21:36Speaker 06

  Is that New Blood?

• 1:21:37Sean Fennessey?

  New Blood, yeah.

• 1:21:37Speaker 06

  Feldman?

• 1:21:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he's like, so they don't totally erase the ending, but they just like, lied what they were intending to do, which is actually the idea that Halloween kind of does, that like, you know, Michael's spirit kind of goes into another character. Yeah, I don't know. These movies though, the tricky thing about these movies is, they, this is definitely a critical flop, and these movies are getting their asses kicked by critics, but like, this movie did pretty well. It made like $30 million, you know, like they were, for hot minutes, they were bulletproof. And then they just died. Like, by the time you do Jason Takes Manhattan, it's over. Like, you can't make them anymore.

• 1:22:10Speaker 06

  I know. They've got a prestige TV adaptation of it coming soon called Crystal Lake with Linda Cardellini, uh, about the Pamela Voorhees prequel story.

• 1:22:20Sean Fennessey?

  This was the last one, because there has not been, it was rebooted in 09 by your boy Marcus Nispel, and there has not been a Friday the 13th thing for 17 years. And almost everything else has had at least one reboot or adaptation from all the classic horror movies.

• 1:22:34Speaker 03

  There's an unbelievable clip that's on social media sometimes of when Jason went on Arsenio Hall's show. Did you ever see this?

• 1:22:40Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 1:22:41Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:22:41Speaker 03

  He's on for five minutes, and Arsenio just keeps asking questions and Jason's just like, just staring at him breathing.

• 1:22:49Sean Fennessey?

  Was it Kane Hodder, the, who played the Jason the most?

• 1:22:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was the actual guy, and Arsenio's going with the bit, and every time the audience is laughing, he goes, the next thing, and then he's like, I think you brought a clip. And the guy's like, Juh, and they show the clip, and it comes back. It's honestly great.

• 1:23:03Speaker 06

  Who would you, who would be your dream slasher guest to have on BS?

• 1:23:07Speaker 03

  Oh, Myers.

• 1:23:08Speaker 06

  Myers.

• 1:23:09Sean Fennessey?

  I think you know the answer to that one.

• 1:23:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, Myers would be great.

• 1:23:11Sean Fennessey?

  What about for you, Wolf Creek guy?

• 1:23:14Speaker 03

  Well, we did, when we did Halloween 4 and Rewatchables, that was kind of the end of these movies. And they kept making them for the next eight years, but.

• 1:23:21Speaker 06

  Well, then in the early 2000s, they tried like a, like the Rob Zombie and Marcus and his spell run.

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, cause we had, that era ended, then Scream rejuvenates everything. Now we have like the TV actors.

• 1:23:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:33Speaker 03

  We get five years out of that, and then it gets dark.

• 1:23:35Speaker 06

  I like the.

• 1:23:36Speaker 03

  Gets into CR territory.

• 1:23:37Speaker 06

  Marcus Nispel Friday the 13th is good.

• 1:23:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:40Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:23:40Sean Fennessey?

  Um.

• 1:23:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I saw Scream.

• 1:23:42Sean Fennessey?

  Bill, you've got a pick.

• 1:23:44Speaker 03

  This is my least favorite category was failed franchise launches.

• 1:23:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, you should have taken Salt.

• 1:23:50Speaker 03

  I had a lot of issues trying to even figure out what one was, but, um,

• 1:23:58Speaker 03

  is Popstar considered, did they think they were gonna make a bunch of those, or was that a one and done?

• 1:24:05Sean Fennessey?

  Comedy?

• 1:24:05Speaker 03

  With Andy Stenberg?

• 1:24:06Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:24:06Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think the intention was for it to be a franchise. I get where you're going.

• 1:24:09Speaker 06

  You want Popstars, you're trying to find another place to put it.

• 1:24:12Sean Fennessey?

  If it didn't bomb, it probably would be a franchise.

• 1:24:15Speaker 03

  How about Josie and the Pussycats?

• 1:24:16Sean Fennessey?

  That, now that is eligible.

• 1:24:17Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 1:24:18Speaker 03

  I'm gonna take that.

• 1:24:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:24:20Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting.

• 1:24:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:21Sean Fennessey?

  The anti-corporate girl group semi satire from the filmmaking team behind Can't Hardly Wait.

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Right on, Bill.

• 1:24:28Speaker 06

  I'm gonna take that one.

• 1:24:29Sean Fennessey?

  Wow, damn the man.

• 1:24:32Speaker 06

  Saw, honestly, pretty solid movie. Yeah, not bad.

• 1:24:36Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I like this movie. Pretty fun. Parker Posey and Alan Cumming having a lot of fun in it.

• 1:24:41Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:24:42Sean Fennessey?

  Who is it? Tara Reid?

• 1:24:44Speaker 03

  It's, it belongs to.

• 1:24:46Speaker 06

  Rachel Leigh Cook?

• 1:24:47Speaker 03

  A specific time of pop culture.

• 1:24:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:50Speaker 03

  With Maxim magazine and Carson Daly on the MTV show and all of those things. And it just kinda, the Scooby Doo movies like that too, just kinda fits in.

• 1:24:59Sean Fennessey?

  And Rosario Dawson. Great cast.

• 1:25:01Speaker 03

  Great cast. This movie's not bad. Watched it with my daughter a few times back in the day.

• 1:25:06Sean Fennessey?

  It's got a little cult now. It's got, it's a bit, it's a big.

• 1:25:08Speaker 06

  Oh, for sure. Isn't it getting rebooted again?

• 1:25:10Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe. I don't know, but it's like.

• 1:25:12Speaker 03

  It was also a cartoon when I was a kid, which is how I got to know it.

• 1:25:16Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, okay. Amanda, you've got one more pick, and well, I guess two more if we're gonna do a wild card.

• 1:25:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, right, okay. Well, I have sub 25% on Rotten Tomatoes left. And, you know, I don't know what you guys have been talking about for the last five minutes, but that's okay, cause this is where the, like, the tastes vary and so.

• 1:25:34Speaker 06

  Do you mean cause of Friday the 13th?

• 1:25:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:36Speaker 06

  Part four, the final chapter?

• 1:25:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly, right. You guys were kinda getting into the lore, and I think that's.

• 1:25:40Speaker 03

  You wanna talk about Philly sports wise? They're trying to tilt the Saw back.

• 1:25:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, yeah, do you have any feedback on that? You're, you're feeling good about LeBron?

• 1:25:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm feeling good about LeBron. I've watched some tape. It looks pretty good.

• 1:25:53Speaker 03

  Amanda, how you feeling about the new offensive coordinator and his zone block running scheme?

• 1:25:57Amanda Dobbins?

  That hasn't made it to me yet, which is really good, but, but it's only because we did institute it. Zach is very respectful about, he won't tell me about the Eagles game or what's going on unless I ask.

• 1:26:09Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:26:10Amanda Dobbins?

  And otherwise, he keeps it to himself. And I haven't asked about the new offensive coordinator yet.

• 1:26:14Speaker 03

  Zone blocking is in this year.

• 1:26:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, what is that?

• 1:26:17Speaker 03

  You, you do the offensive line moves in concert in specific ways.

• 1:26:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:26:21Speaker 03

  The running back, instead of freelancing, follows a specific direction.

• 1:26:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. I mean, that seems, why wouldn't you do that normally? Is it you're doing man to man instead?

• 1:26:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, hard to pull off.

• 1:26:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, but.

• 1:26:34Speaker 06

  There's more accountability in man to man. It's just like, are you better than the guy in front of you?

• 1:26:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Well, I in general think that people should be rethinking their offensive line. So, um, it just kinda feels like if you had that locked down, then, you know, no one can do anything else. I don't really understand why there's not more attention paid to it. But anyway.

• 1:26:52Sean Fennessey?

  Philly's playoff game's coming soon too.

• 1:26:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, but that's, I mean, and then they forget how to do everything. It's fine. Um, so I, true story though, true story though, on our seven hour flight back from the East Coast, my two-year-old son stood up on the middle of the seat and yelled at the top of his lungs, "Go Birds."

• 1:27:10Speaker 06

  Did people applaud him?

• 1:27:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, I think they were just laughing and hoping he would go asleep, but he just yelled, "Go Birds" as loud as he possibly can. Anyway.

• 1:27:18Speaker 06

  Zach was watching preseason.

• 1:27:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:27:20Amanda Dobbins?

  And, and Si knew what was up. Okay, anyway, I have a different interest set than you guys. So my sub 25 list is long, but it does not include any Friday the 13th movies. I'm gonna go with my heart though on it. There, most of these movies are from the heart for me, but I was shocked and appalled to learn that Sister Act 2, Back in the Habit, only has 19% on Rotten Tomatoes. It only has 19%!

• 1:27:41Speaker 03

  She loves the Sister Act franchise.

• 1:27:42Amanda Dobbins?

  What is going on?

• 1:27:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Lauryn Hill, Sterling performance in that film.

• 1:27:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you kidding me? I went back and rewatched the finale yesterday and started crying once again. Joyful, joyful, with Janet Jackson interpolated in. Come on! This is a beautiful movie.

• 1:27:59Sean Fennessey?

  From Maggie Smith, produced by Scott Rudin.

• 1:28:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I, listen, I, I, this is a great film. I really don't think it deserves the 19%. It's just Whoopi Goldberg sharing the joy of music with young kids. What's wrong with that?

• 1:28:11Sean Fennessey?

  This movie was a huge hit. They made $125 million.

• 1:28:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, because we know what's up.

• 1:28:17Speaker 06

  What was going on in like, culture and society that people were so against it?

• 1:28:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know.

• 1:28:21Speaker 06

  What year did it come out?

• 1:28:22Sean Fennessey?

  1993.

• 1:28:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, the, oh, Happy Days scene? Come on.

• 1:28:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:27Amanda Dobbins?

  When he hits the hideout.

• 1:28:29Sean Fennessey?

  I saw this in theaters with my whole family.

• 1:28:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, this is absolutely beautiful stuff.

• 1:28:31Speaker 03

  People loved Whoopi Goldberg for years.

• 1:28:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:35Sean Fennessey?

  Not anymore?

• 1:28:35Speaker 03

  She was a bankable A-plus list movie actress.

• 1:28:37Sean Fennessey?

  She was.

• 1:28:38Speaker 03

  For like, seven years.

• 1:28:40Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, alright.

• 1:28:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Have you seen Sister Act 2: Back in the Habit?

• 1:28:42Speaker 06

  I don't think so, actually.

• 1:28:43Amanda Dobbins?

  No, okay. I just, but can I send you the YouTube clip?

• 1:28:45Speaker 03

  I have not seen that.

• 1:28:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you serious?

• 1:28:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm sorry.

• 1:28:50Amanda Dobbins?

  But, and so you don't know about, so at the end.

• 1:28:53Speaker 03

  I'm older than you guys.

• 1:28:54Amanda Dobbins?

  But Lauren Hill, it's actual Lauren Hill, she wants to be in the music group. And then her mom won't let her.

• 1:29:01Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:29:01Amanda Dobbins?

  And then she almost drops out, but they go to the competition anyway. And then she's, she has a beautiful solo. And then it just turns into a whole, it's so beautiful.

• 1:29:09Speaker 03

  I didn't know Lauren Hill was in it, so that's makes me wanna see it now.

• 1:29:12Speaker 06

  I actually didn't know Lauren Hill was in it.

• 1:29:13Sean Fennessey?

  Really?

• 1:29:14Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:29:14Sean Fennessey?

  It's right at the, I think it's the same year of the first Fujis album.

• 1:29:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:19Sean Fennessey?

  Which had like vocab on it, not the, not the one with Fujilau on it, anyway. Um, less than 30 million domestic, The Thing is still on the board, you guys.

• 1:29:28Speaker 03

  I mean, I took Man Hunter.

• 1:29:29Sean Fennessey?

  The Thing made $3 million.

• 1:29:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:32Sean Fennessey?

  The Thing was a huge bomb.

• 1:29:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Why are you shaking your head like this?

• 1:29:35Speaker 06

  I mean. What year did The Thing come out?

• 1:29:36Speaker 03

  You weren't cheating.

• 1:29:37Sean Fennessey?

  1982.

• 1:29:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, you did say 85.

• 1:29:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you said 85.

• 1:29:39Speaker 03

  85 and a half.

• 1:29:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:41Speaker 03

  It's your podcast.

• 1:29:42Amanda Dobbins?

  That's true, you did actually.

• 1:29:43Sean Fennessey?

  Did I do that?

• 1:29:44Speaker 03

  This is a cheat.

• 1:29:45Amanda Dobbins?

  And it's literally written in the.

• 1:29:46Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, you're right, you're right. I take it back, my bad, my bad. I made that mistake.

• 1:29:50Amanda Dobbins?

  But you know what?

• 1:29:51Speaker 03

  I'm happy giving it to you, though.

• 1:29:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Our black hat, so you have to 2005 written in there.

• 1:29:56Speaker 03

  But I think that was a typo. It was basically 85, I took it as 85 on was the list.

• 1:30:01Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, so when it's written down, but you guys do it, it's okay, but when I do it, it's not okay?

• 1:30:05Speaker 06

  I just assumed it was a mistype, it was a typo. Sometimes you have typos, yeah.

• 1:30:09Sean Fennessey?

  Sometimes I have typos, eh?

• 1:30:12Amanda Dobbins?

  They're also, this category got changed, but not restated.

• 1:30:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:30:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Within the official communications.

• 1:30:18Sean Fennessey?

  I should have taken the timeline off of it completely.

• 1:30:21Speaker 06

  I sometimes notice typos in your docs, and I'm like, oh, fastball's going a little bit.

• 1:30:25Sean Fennessey?

  You don't.

• 1:30:28Speaker 06

  Someone's not paying attention to the details like you used to, yeah.

• 1:30:31Sean Fennessey?

  I can't deny it, I'm definitely losing a step, you know? It happens.

• 1:30:34Speaker 06

  It's your show, big guy, if you wanna take The Thing, go ahead.

• 1:30:37Sean Fennessey?

  I'm falling off the cliff, I turned 44, it comes for the best of us.

• 1:30:40Speaker 03

  It's like 48.

• 1:30:41Sean Fennessey?

  Um, how old were you when you had the HBO show? 44?

• 1:30:48Speaker 03

  No, no, I was, I think I was 46.

• 1:30:52Sean Fennessey?

  16?

• 1:30:53Speaker 03

  2016, yeah, 46.

• 1:30:55Speaker 06

  Was he?

• 1:30:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:56Speaker 06

  You were?

• 1:30:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:57Sean Fennessey?

  Cause remember the, remember when you came in the office and you were like, guys, I figured out why I can't see? I had the wrong contact lenses, that was like the most, the biggest moment.

• 1:31:06Speaker 03

  It wasn't just that I couldn't see, I thought I had a brain tumor.

• 1:31:08Sean Fennessey?

  Right, your head was hurting.

• 1:31:09Speaker 03

  Cause my contacts were too strong.

• 1:31:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 1:31:12Speaker 03

  Cause my eyes got better as I got older, and I didn't realize.

• 1:31:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:31:15Speaker 03

  So I was wearing like these minus 10 and a half contacts with, and my eyesight was minus nine and a half.

• 1:31:20Amanda Dobbins?

  So you're nine and a half now?

• 1:31:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm seven and seven and a half, but I'm coming for you.

• 1:31:24Speaker 03

  I was going like, I honestly thought I was dying.

• 1:31:26Speaker 06

  Wait, you have worse eyesight than she does?

• 1:31:28Speaker 03

  I have worse eyesight than all of you.

• 1:31:30Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 1:31:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, my eyesight's terrible.

• 1:31:31Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't know that. Okay, I've gotta take a movie.

• 1:31:35Speaker 03

  I think you could take The Thing, I'm fine with it.

• 1:31:38Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 1:31:39Amanda Dobbins?

  He seems upset.

• 1:31:40Speaker 06

  I'm not, I'm not, it's like.

• 1:31:42Speaker 03

  I mean, I took Cruising.

• 1:31:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's fine.

• 1:31:44Speaker 03

  I'm fine with it. The Thing bombed.

• 1:31:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't think, I don't think you should give in on this. Uh. Because the way he said The Thing is still on the board, guys.

• 1:31:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, I didn't appreciate, if he'd just been like, I'm so excited I get to take The Thing.

• 1:31:58Sean Fennessey?

  I think I should have just.

• 1:31:58Speaker 06

  You should have just led with love.

• 1:32:00Sean Fennessey?

  I should have just taken.

• 1:32:01Speaker 06

  Again, I am superior, I've, I've figured it out.

• 1:32:03Speaker 03

  How about this, just take Gotti.

• 1:32:07Sean Fennessey?

  Did I, what did I text you guys? When I sent the final text?

• 1:32:11Speaker 03

  You can have The Thing, Sean.

• 1:32:12Amanda Dobbins?

  It was, it was on the go, so you didn't really amend it?

• 1:32:16Sean Fennessey?

  No, I, I, I took the num, I took the years off, cause I meant to take the years off. There's no years in the text that I sent you when we changed the rules. That's why The Thing is on my long list.

• 1:32:26Speaker 06

  Then you should take The Thing.

• 1:32:27Sean Fennessey?

  But you know what?

• 1:32:28Speaker 06

  You should take The Thing.

• 1:32:28Sean Fennessey?

  I lost, I'm losing my fastball. I'm Kodai Senga, we gotta move me to the bullpen soon? Might be time to put me out to pasture as far as host, right?

• 1:32:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, he did, he did.

• 1:32:39Speaker 03

  Drinks are on the house!

• 1:32:42Speaker 06

  On the house.

• 1:32:45Speaker 03

  Take The Thing.

• 1:32:46Speaker 06

  Take The Thing, Sean.

• 1:32:47Speaker 03

  Just take it.

• 1:32:47Speaker 06

  It's a good, it's a good movie to draft.

• 1:32:49Speaker 03

  I took Cruising, which was two years earlier than The Thing, you can have it, yeah.

• 1:32:54Speaker 06

  Go for it.

• 1:32:54Sean Fennessey?

  Would it be better if I took Jonathan Demme's Beloved? Adaptation of a Toni Morrison novel?

• 1:32:59Speaker 06

  Why not both? You can do one for Wildcard.

• 1:33:01Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, that'll be my Wildcard then.

• 1:33:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Alright.

• 1:33:06Speaker 06

  How do you wanna pair those films? How do you wanna discuss them in tandem?

• 1:33:08Sean Fennessey?

  In a double feature at the New Beverly.

• 1:33:10Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:33:10Sean Fennessey?

  Um.

• 1:33:11Speaker 03

  Oh, man, New Beverly's been on fire lately.

• 1:33:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, when are you gonna go see?

• 1:33:15Speaker 03

  It's been on fire, they're, they're really up the, up the game.

• 1:33:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I really love your new life, you know?

• 1:33:20Speaker 03

  Well, cause I go to Alfred on Beverly, Alfred's my favorite coffee place, so I always drive by, uh, New Beverly, and every time, bangers.

• 1:33:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:28Speaker 03

  It's like banger.

• 1:33:29Speaker 06

  Do you ever go in, or are you just like?

• 1:33:30Speaker 03

  No, I just like seeing them, I like seeing The Thing and be like, oh, banger.

• 1:33:33Speaker 06

  And then you go home and watch it on TV.

• 1:33:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. It's like, do I wanna see Pulp Fiction at midnight on a Friday night? No, I don't.

• 1:33:41Sean Fennessey?

  We're too old for that. Um, I'll take, I'll take Beloved, right?

• 1:33:46Speaker 06

  Instead of The Thing, or are you gonna take both of them?

• 1:33:49Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, you're just waiting to throw a temper tantrum at a later date about when you gave me The Thing?

• 1:33:53Speaker 06

  Nope.

• 1:33:53Speaker 03

  This opens up, you can get Sorcerer now, based on the dates.

• 1:33:57Speaker 06

  Oh, maybe I'll, I'll take Empire Strikes Back, because we can just like, adjust some numbers and be like, no, no, no!

• 1:34:05Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, if you'd like to try to do that, you can try.

• 1:34:07Speaker 06

  I'm just kidding, you should take The Thing, cause it's a good, it's a, John Carpenter is somebody who.

• 1:34:12Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, you went back into podcasting?

• 1:34:14Speaker 06

  What's that?

• 1:34:14Sean Fennessey?

  You just started podcasting again? You were like, well, actually, John Carpenter, you know, went back to information delivery.

• 1:34:19Amanda Dobbins?

  What's up with your screensaver here?

• 1:34:20Speaker 06

  It's got a little bit of animation to it.

• 1:34:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't know that that was possible.

• 1:34:23Speaker 06

  I don't know, I think, I think this is just how it came, and I was like, that's pretty soon.

• 1:34:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I once again have some questions about your laptop choices, but anyway, which is too large.

• 1:34:31Sean Fennessey?

  You know what else I wanted to do in Sub30? I don't know if this didn't necessarily fully qualify us, cause it didn't cost that much money, but I really wanted to do Dirty Work? The Norm MacDonald comedy?

• 1:34:39Speaker 03

  I had that on my list. It was between 8mm and Dirty Work.

• 1:34:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Dirty Work would have been good for the Sub25, now Dirty Work's so funny. Fucking Norm.

• 1:34:46Speaker 03

  It's the last Farley movie, right?

• 1:34:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Norm is so funny in Dirty Work. Uh, and Artie, damn, what happened to Artie? Where's Artie at these days?

• 1:34:54Speaker 03

  Artie's still alive, Chris Farley's not.

• 1:34:56Sean Fennessey?

  No, he's not.

• 1:34:56Speaker 06

  What, did you pick?

• 1:34:58Speaker 03

  He's taking him to Beloved.

• 1:34:59Sean Fennessey?

  I'll take The Thing and Beloved.

• 1:35:00Speaker 06

  Great.

• 1:35:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:35:01Speaker 03

  What's your Wildcard here?

• 1:35:02Speaker 06

  It's your Wildcard.

• 1:35:04Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, you get a Wildcard.

• 1:35:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I get a Wildcard now?

• 1:35:06Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:35:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I said it can be something that was always.

• 1:35:08Speaker 06

  Anything you want, anything you want that, that has flop to it.

• 1:35:10Amanda Dobbins?

  But so, with something that was a failed franchise launch?

• 1:35:14Speaker 06

  I assure you.

• 1:35:15Speaker 03

  Something that's floppy.

• 1:35:16Speaker 06

  You could now pick anything you want.

• 1:35:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I just.

• 1:35:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I was curious, I'm, this is not my pick, but.

• 1:35:24Sean Fennessey?

  This is the maddest he's ever been.

• 1:35:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I know.

• 1:35:26Sean Fennessey?

  The maddest he's ever been.

• 1:35:28Speaker 03

  Don't say in the newspaper that I'm mad.

• 1:35:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Would Fincher's Girl with the Dragon Tattoo have been eligible in Failed Franchise Launch?

• 1:35:36Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yes.

• 1:35:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, it would have.

• 1:35:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:35:38Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't think of that.

• 1:35:39Amanda Dobbins?

  So I'll take, uh, Fincher's Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, which is.

• 1:35:41Speaker 03

  I don't like that movie.

• 1:35:42Amanda Dobbins?

  You don't? I mean, it's really creepy, come on!

• 1:35:45Speaker 03

  I gotta give another chance.

• 1:35:46Amanda Dobbins?

  It's so good.

• 1:35:48Speaker 03

  It's really unsettled, man.

• 1:35:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, but that's the point!

• 1:35:51Speaker 03

  I didn't like being unsettled, that movie.

• 1:35:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Alright, so I'll take.

• 1:35:53Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, it's a Fincher movie, what do you expect?

• 1:35:56Amanda Dobbins?

  There we go.

• 1:35:57Sean Fennessey?

  That's a great pick.

• 1:35:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you, thanks so much.

• 1:35:58Sean Fennessey?

  I totally forgot about that.

• 1:36:01Amanda Dobbins?

  It's also incredible that I picked that after Salt. But I do believe in the commercial possibility of Salt 2. And I'm ready to take meetings with anyone who wants them.

• 1:36:12Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, BS, you got?

• 1:36:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm gonna, I wanna take something that's just super floppy here. I can't wait to read my, I can't believe nobody took Glee, by the way.

• 1:36:23Amanda Dobbins?

  You, I thought about it because of, obviously.

• 1:36:25Sean Fennessey?

  You picked it before.

• 1:36:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I did in, I guess, the 2003 draft, because, and that was, still, we did it on Zoom, and I got screwed out a couple of things, and I went for it. But I did re-watch some of it yesterday, and it just made me feel bad. That actually made me feel, um, like I was wasting my time, and so was everyone else.

• 1:36:45Speaker 03

  I don't feel like, I feel like I took movies that I actually like and are good, and I don't have a true flop, that's just, uh, what the fuck happened? I can't believe this movie got made.

• 1:36:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:55Sean Fennessey?

  This is why I took Ester, yeah.

• 1:36:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:57Speaker 03

  Um, I'm gonna take The Island of Dr. Moreau.

• 1:36:59Sean Fennessey?

  Excellent.

• 1:37:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, really good.

• 1:37:01Speaker 03

  A movie that, um, I've told this story many times, but in a legal cable box in Boston, um, for about four years, where they showed all the pay-per-views, and this just started to come on the pay-per-views. And was one of the most inexplicable things I'd ever seen in my life, and Brando is in it, and just. Just you can hear him counting the cash in his head as he's filming his scenes. Val Comer doesn't want to be there. That guy, David Thewlis, what's his name?

• 1:37:29Sean Fennessey?

  Is that his name?

• 1:37:29Speaker 06

  David Thewlis.

• 1:37:31Speaker 03

  People thought he might be having a moment. Well, that moment ended.

• 1:37:34Speaker 06

  He wanted to have some more moments, but more in more understated work.

• 1:37:37Sean Fennessey?

  More character actor.

• 1:37:38Speaker 03

  Dr. Moreau is, he's mating humans and animals.

• 1:37:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:37:43Speaker 03

  And now.

• 1:37:43Speaker 06

  But dragon tattoo is too much for you.

• 1:37:47Speaker 03

  These human animals are now starting to realize that they're not being treated correctly. So you have like a guy who's like, he's half cheetah, half human, half ape, half human. And they kind of turn on, they have like a revolution. It's, it's just one of the most incredible bad movies that's ever been made. I love it. I've probably seen it 10 times.

• 1:38:07Sean Fennessey?

  Have you seen Lost Soul, The Doom Journey of Richard Stanley's The Island of Dr. Moreau? The documentary about the making of this through the prism of the guy who was the director at the beginning of the movie?

• 1:38:17Speaker 03

  Oh, who got fired?

• 1:38:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:19Speaker 03

  I have not.

• 1:38:19Sean Fennessey?

  It's so, you will love it. It is amazing Hollywood history. And it's mostly told through his experience, but after he gets fired, he, John Frankenheimer gets hired to finish making the movie. And he sneaks back onto the set and he dresses up as one of the animal characters because he still knows all the people in the crew. And so he's, the director, Richard Stanley is in the movie as one of the characters uprising against Dr. Moreau in this kind of like, or imitating life meta moment that is so fantastic. But the whole documentary is super interesting. Apparently Val Comer was not, not a pleasant person to work with on this one.

• 1:38:54Speaker 03

  It's an amazing movie. It came out, I think 30 years ago, probably. It's never on, I don't, I don't even, maybe all copies have been destroyed.

• 1:39:02Sean Fennessey?

  Not in my home.

• 1:39:03Speaker 03

  I don't know. You have the, what do you have?

• 1:39:05Sean Fennessey?

  Of course I have the Blu-ray, yeah. For the Richard Stanley stack.

• 1:39:08Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 1:39:08Sean Fennessey?

  We got Dust Devil, we got Hardware.

• 1:39:10Speaker 03

  Really interesting idea for our movie.

• 1:39:13Sean Fennessey?

  It's a remake.

• 1:39:14Speaker 03

  It's a remake, yeah. And I think the original movie did really well. And then when I had my football column at Grantland, I did mailbag crossed with NFL picks and called it The Island of Dr. Simba.

• 1:39:23Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 1:39:24Speaker 03

  And CR was like, Bill's lost his fucking mind.

• 1:39:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was that and The Birdmaster. And I was just like, where the fuck are we? We're going down with the ship.

• 1:39:32Sean Fennessey?

  Actually, isn't it an HG Wells, HG Wells story, HG Wells novel?

• 1:39:36Speaker 03

  Maybe.

• 1:39:36Sean Fennessey?

  Dr. Moreau, I think so, yeah.

• 1:39:37Speaker 06

  Or Jules Verne, I don't know.

• 1:39:39Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's Wells.

• 1:39:40Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:39:41Speaker 03

  Chris, you have the last pick. You can take Sorcerer right here.

• 1:39:44Speaker 06

  A lot on the board still.

• 1:39:46Sean Fennessey?

  Shawshank?

• 1:39:47Speaker 06

  You could go Oliver Stone's Alexander. You could go with the Wachowski's Speed Racer.

• 1:39:52Sean Fennessey?

  Big one.

• 1:39:53Speaker 06

  I'm going to go with a film that I've seen more than those movies sadly. I've seen it twice a week for about nine years there in the 2010s. And it's Pete Berg's Battleship.

• 1:40:05Speaker 03

  Ah, I had it on my list.

• 1:40:08Speaker 06

  Two Titanic Taylor Kitsch bombs in this time period, John Carter and Battleship. Battleship made $300 million. It just made 240 of them elsewhere.

• 1:40:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:20Speaker 06

  And this movie's pretty good. Rihanna's in it.

• 1:40:23Amanda Dobbins?

  She is, she has like five lines.

• 1:40:25Speaker 06

  Yes, but she goes.

• 1:40:26Amanda Dobbins?

  And she just yells all of them. That's right.

• 1:40:27Sean Fennessey?

  Pond to Battleship. Thanks. Appreciate that.

• 1:40:33Speaker 06

  We're back.

• 1:40:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, when you combine it with John Carter and this whole moment that Taylor Kitsch was supposedly having.

• 1:40:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:40:41Speaker 03

  I still like Taylor Kitsch.

• 1:40:42Speaker 06

  I do too, but they.

• 1:40:43Speaker 03

  It's just a classic, just on the wrong sports teams for a couple of years and he missed his moment.

• 1:40:47Speaker 06

  Yeah. This movie is like hella entertaining though. And it's like obvious that they were like, you know, it would be cool to hang out in Hawaii for a year.

• 1:40:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:56Speaker 06

  And that's what they did.

• 1:40:57Speaker 03

  It's also a movie that they were trying, obviously knew Pete Berg a little bit, was they were trying to explain what the movie was. It's like, it's like the board game Battleship, but it's like a movie on that. And you're going, okay.

• 1:41:08Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:41:08Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:41:09Speaker 06

  And Liam Neeson is in the beginning of this movie.

• 1:41:11Sean Fennessey?

  Who is the likely overpaid older actor to give this movie some credibility? So it's Liam Neeson, but you know, you've also got Jesse Plemons coming off that Friday Night Lights money connection with Pete Berg. You've got Alexander Skarsgård. You've got Rami Malek is in this movie.

• 1:41:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Alexander Skarsgård is playing Taylor Kitsch's older brother?

• 1:41:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:41:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, I need to revisit this.

• 1:41:33Speaker 06

  They play touch football together.

• 1:41:34Speaker 03

  Good policy.

• 1:41:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, wow, I'm going to be watching this then.

• 1:41:36Speaker 06

  Soccer. They play soccer together.

• 1:41:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:41:38Speaker 06

  And they play soccer at Enable Base.

• 1:41:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I saw this in theaters, but I don't remember that.

• 1:41:43Speaker 03

  There was a lot of.

• 1:41:44Speaker 06

  They aired this before like, like 195 TNT basketball games.

• 1:41:48Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:41:49Speaker 06

  You'd be catching the end of Battleship.

• 1:41:51Sean Fennessey?

  I saw it in theaters.

• 1:41:51Speaker 03

  There was a lot of stuff in the less than 30 million that I was looking at, including shortcuts.

• 1:41:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:58Speaker 03

  Which kind of bombed, but I don't feel like that's the spirit of the flop.

• 1:42:01Sean Fennessey?

  I feel like it's not a flop.

• 1:42:02Speaker 03

  It was, that's like a Shawshank thing.

• 1:42:04Speaker 06

  You cut out my legs with Shawshank, would you have done it for Rounders?

• 1:42:10Speaker 03

  No, because I don't.

• 1:42:12Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, how big were the expectations for Rounders, I guess is the question.

• 1:42:15Speaker 03

  I feel like if you made as much money as they spent on the movie, I don't think it can be considered a money flop.

• 1:42:20Speaker 06

  I think.

• 1:42:21Speaker 03

  Probably broke even, right?

• 1:42:22Speaker 06

  Sadly, it sounds like 28 years later, The Bone Temple, which only made 25 domestically.

• 1:42:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that did bomb.

• 1:42:28Speaker 03

  So I had a couple, King of Comedy, nobody took, but I think that could have been on this. Because that was considered damaging to everybody. To Jillian on her 37th birthday, a movie Amanda and I like.

• 1:42:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yes.

• 1:42:40Speaker 03

  Good Nantucket movie.

• 1:42:41Amanda Dobbins?

  It's really a crazy movie.

• 1:42:43Speaker 03

  Basketball really felt like it might set the boys back, but it didn't. And South Park is still on.

• 1:42:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:42:51Speaker 03

  Eddie and the Cruisers, we've done on rewatchables. And then Blood In Blood Out was one that didn't do well, but then became a cult movie after, but it didn't do well when it came out. I think it made less than 10 million bucks.

• 1:43:02Speaker 06

  I want to just shout out a couple of sub 25s, Event Horizon, Four Christmases.

• 1:43:09Speaker 03

  This is Rotten Tomatoes.

• 1:43:10Sean Fennessey?

  Continue to stand Four Christmases.

• 1:43:11Speaker 06

  Another 48 Hours, Passenger 57, these are not 25% or worse movies.

• 1:43:17Sean Fennessey?

  Passenger 57 was sub 25% on Rotten Tomatoes?

• 1:43:20Speaker 03

  There's a couple. Gone in 60 Seconds was under 25?

• 1:43:23Speaker 06

  Swedish Thing is, is not a 25% movie.

• 1:43:26Speaker 03

  Perfect.

• 1:43:26Sean Fennessey?

  Well, there's one historic one that I'm shocked you didn't take.

• 1:43:29Speaker 03

  Which one?

• 1:43:30Sean Fennessey?

  Cocktail, which I think has like 17%.

• 1:43:33Speaker 03

  I know, but yeah, I guess that could have fit the Rotten Tomatoes thing, but I just don't think that movie's a flop. It made like 200 million dollars.

• 1:43:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:39Amanda Dobbins?

  And isn't Just Go With It, one of the Simmons families? Yeah, it's 20%.

• 1:43:45Speaker 03

  I know, but people, it just proves people are stupid. Is that movie's elite?

• 1:43:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I just, you know, I know, it matters to you.

• 1:43:51Speaker 03

  Grown Ups 2 is under 25 too. Actually, most of the Stanley movies are under.

• 1:43:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Rumor has it was on my list as well, along with Coyote Ugly, How Dare You? And Sleeping With The Enemy is also.

• 1:44:04Sean Fennessey?

  It's not as good as you remember.

• 1:44:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, but it is filmed.

• 1:44:06Sean Fennessey?

  It's a little silly.

• 1:44:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, but it's filmed, you know, in beautiful coastal locations.

• 1:44:10Speaker 03

  Be careful.

• 1:44:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:12Sean Fennessey?

  I know you're a fan.

• 1:44:13Speaker 03

  Laura!

• 1:44:16Speaker 06

  Raj also didn't like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead.

• 1:44:19Sean Fennessey?

  I thought that was really odd.

• 1:44:20Speaker 06

  And Walker, the Alex Cox movie.

• 1:44:22Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:22Speaker 06

  And then he also didn't like Ken Russell's Devils.

• 1:44:26Sean Fennessey?

  Well, which will be back in the news in about one month when it's re-released.

• 1:44:30Speaker 03

  Raj, the funniest ones for zero stars was Dice Rules, The Injured Dice Clay Concert Movie. Needs to say Raj not a fan.

• 1:44:38Sean Fennessey?

  One of your faves is on his list.

• 1:44:40Speaker 03

  Which one?

• 1:44:41Sean Fennessey?

  10 to Midnight.

• 1:44:41Speaker 03

  10 to Midnight, I almost took that.

• 1:44:43Sean Fennessey?

  Charles Bronson, serial killer thriller.

• 1:44:45Speaker 03

  Just a bad opinion. But then Jaws The Revenge, which some people like.

• 1:44:49Speaker 06

  I like it. It's more of an peoples, yeah.

• 1:44:51Speaker 03

  Some people are okay with that one. Death Wish 2.

• 1:44:53Sean Fennessey?

  Isn't that the one specifically where Jaws is like, I'm coming back for Shider's family?

• 1:44:57Speaker 06

  Yes. Yes.

• 1:44:59Speaker 03

  Dudes Gigolo, European Gigolo was on Raj's list.

• 1:45:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:45:02Sean Fennessey?

  But that's European Gigolo, not male Gigolo.

• 1:45:05Speaker 03

  The funniest one out of all of these was Last Rites with Tom Berger and Daphne Zinniga. Raj is like, this movie fucking sucks. He just like murders it. It's a, it's a priest who falls. I think he's, falls in love with Daphne Zinniga and wasn't supposed to.

• 1:45:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:45:21Speaker 03

  And Raj was like just completely horrified by it.

• 1:45:25Sean Fennessey?

  It's like you showing those teenagers Wolf Creek, you changed their lives forever. They can never go back to God now.

• 1:45:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Did anyone take a Costner, anything?

• 1:45:34Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 1:45:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, Horizon Part 1 on failed franchise launches could have been on that. And I can't believe that no one took it.

• 1:45:41Sean Fennessey?

  And I like Horizon Part 1.

• 1:45:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:45:43Speaker 03

  Did you go in there?

• 1:45:44Sean Fennessey?

  You saw it.

• 1:45:45Speaker 03

  My dad was a huge fan.

• 1:45:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's pretty good.

• 1:45:47Speaker 03

  I told him Horizon Part 2 probably isn't happening. And he was like, are you serious?

• 1:45:51Amanda Dobbins?

  It's been made, it exists.

• 1:45:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:45:52Sean Fennessey?

  It's screened at the Santa Barbara International Film Festival.

• 1:45:55Speaker 06

  I'm kind of surprised that Fox Nation didn't buy it or something.

• 1:45:58Sean Fennessey?

  I know, it's really odd.

• 1:45:59Speaker 06

  Or like some like Angel Studios people didn't buy it.

• 1:46:02Sean Fennessey?

  I would go to bat for Waterworld, but not The Postman. The Postman I think sucks. Waterworld is pretty entertaining.

• 1:46:09Speaker 06

  Waterworld's good.

• 1:46:10Speaker 03

  Waterworld's solid.

• 1:46:11Sean Fennessey?

  There's a bunch of Star bombs.

• 1:46:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Tough hair situation, you know, once you add the water in.

• 1:46:16Speaker 03

  That's, that was the biggest mistake.

• 1:46:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:46:20Sean Fennessey?

  I can't even remember.

• 1:46:21Speaker 03

  Who's the?

• 1:46:21Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, it's Jean Tripplhorn.

• 1:46:23Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:46:24Sean Fennessey?

  Um, okay, a couple of Starbombs that I think are interesting to talk about quickly. Bonfire of the Vanities.

• 1:46:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:46:31Sean Fennessey?

  Which I don't think we can do this pod without mentioning that movie, which had a added a three-way effect on Willis, Hanks, and Melanie Griffith.

• 1:46:37Speaker 03

  Books and podcasts written about that.

• 1:46:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:40Speaker 03

  Or done about that.

• 1:46:41Sean Fennessey?

  Hudson Hawk came back again for Bruce Willis, which is a, you know, like it was his idea, that movie. He pushed to get that movie made and that totally bricked. Speaking of Bruce Willis, The Scarlet Letter, which is like an all-time L for Demi Moore. I think that's kind of the end of Demi Moore as like a real power broker in Hollywood.

• 1:46:58Speaker 03

  I don't even remember that movie and what happens in it.

• 1:47:00Sean Fennessey?

  So he, I mean, it was a, well, it's based on the novel.

• 1:47:03Speaker 03

  No, I know, but I don't, I don't even remember why she's in it or what the, what they thought they were.

• 1:47:08Sean Fennessey?

  Who's Gary Oldman? It's Gary Oldman.

• 1:47:09Speaker 03

  Gary Oldman.

• 1:47:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:10Speaker 03

  Does she get like naked in it? Is it like a sex movie?

• 1:47:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Well.

• 1:47:14Speaker 03

  Sorry, Man.

• 1:47:14Sean Fennessey?

  I mean.

• 1:47:15Speaker 03

  Is it like an erotic?

• 1:47:16Sean Fennessey?

  It is, yeah.

• 1:47:17Speaker 03

  Is it an erotic movie?

• 1:47:18Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it's about her losing her virginity and being.

• 1:47:21Speaker 03

  Didn't mean to phrase it that way.

• 1:47:23Sean Fennessey?

  Does Hester Prynne get boned in The Scarlet Letter?

• 1:47:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:26Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, yeah.

• 1:47:27Amanda Dobbins?

  That's what it is about. Yeah.

• 1:47:28Sean Fennessey?

  Guys, right? Okay.

• 1:47:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:30Sean Fennessey?

  Um.

• 1:47:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, people were just done with her at that point. I think the juror started it and then Scarlet Letter finished it.

• 1:47:36Sean Fennessey?

  You know what's a tough one that I always want to reclaim, but I never can is K-19, The Widowmaker?

• 1:47:40Speaker 06

  It's pretty good.

• 1:47:41Sean Fennessey?

  Is it?

• 1:47:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:47:42Sean Fennessey?

  Ah.

• 1:47:43Speaker 06

  Isn't Harvey Keitel in that?

• 1:47:45Speaker 03

  No, that one's bad.

• 1:47:46Sean Fennessey?

  I don't remember.

• 1:47:47Speaker 03

  Harrison Ford's doing an accent.

• 1:47:47Speaker 06

  Well, I know Harrison Ford's.

• 1:47:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, that movie's bad.

• 1:47:49Speaker 06

  Even though that movie's pretty, oh, wait, I'm thinking of U-571.

• 1:47:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that one's pretty good.

• 1:47:53Speaker 06

  K-19's not that good.

• 1:47:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:54Speaker 03

  Where did you stand on the beach in this conversation?

• 1:47:57Speaker 06

  The DiCaprio one?

• 1:47:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:59Sean Fennessey?

  I'm pro. I just rewatched it last year, but it was the first time I rewatched it since it came out because I did not like it when it came out.

• 1:48:05Speaker 03

  It did make move, make money, but was considered bad for Leah.

• 1:48:08Amanda Dobbins?

  But he was fine.

• 1:48:10Speaker 03

  He was fine. I think it was just like as a follow-up to Titanic, people were like, wow, what is he doing?

• 1:48:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Is this gonna work out?

• 1:48:15Speaker 03

  But I don't, I don't feel like it counts as a real flop, though.

• 1:48:19Sean Fennessey?

  It did bomb.

• 1:48:20Speaker 03

  Turned out fine.

• 1:48:20Sean Fennessey?

  But it's an on-paper amazing movie, right? Based on Garland's novel, and he wrote the screenplay and Danny Boyle directed it.

• 1:48:27Speaker 06

  And they didn't like put Ewan McGregor in, which caused like a schism for decades between McGregor and Boyle.

• 1:48:32Sean Fennessey?

  Is that true?

• 1:48:32Speaker 06

  I think so, yeah.

• 1:48:33Speaker 03

  I thought a good example of this was Best Defense, which Eddie Murphy is in, but he's not a star and it's Dudley Moore and I think Chevy Chase.

• 1:48:40Sean Fennessey?

  I've not seen that.

• 1:48:41Speaker 03

  Sun the theater. It was during, he has 48 hours trading places, Beverly Cop, Beverly's Cop all in a row, but Best Defense is kind of in there. And he's in it for like 25 minutes doing Eddie Murphy things, but it's bad. And now kind of nobody or pretends it had, when they list all the Eddie Murphy movies, it's just not mentioned. It's like it never happened, but it happened.

• 1:49:00Sean Fennessey?

  Have you seen that?

• 1:49:01Speaker 06

  I've never seen.

• 1:49:02Speaker 03

  So like, it's a comedy arms dealer movie.

• 1:49:04Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 1:49:05Speaker 03

  It's bad. I don't even, I think even Tubi's like, eh.

• 1:49:09Speaker 06

  I had a couple of franchise relaunches that we didn't do, mostly because they're franchise relaunches.

• 1:49:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 1:49:15Speaker 06

  Jack Ryan's Shadow Recruit.

• 1:49:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 1:49:17Speaker 06

  We were gonna try and do Chris Pine there.

• 1:49:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:19Speaker 06

  And solo a Star Wars saga.

• 1:49:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, with your boy.

• 1:49:23Speaker 06

  They probably would have made like three of those, had those.

• 1:49:25Sean Fennessey?

  Alden, and it worked out for Alden.

• 1:49:26Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:49:26Sean Fennessey?

  He's doing well. Um, I have many failed franchise launches, but I'll mention just a couple, most of which are not good. The Mummy. Tom Cruise was meant to relaunch The Dark Universe and didn't work out. Elite a Battle Angel. Will Smith's Bright. The Dark Tower. Jonah Hex, The Last Airbender, The Notorious Prince of Persia.

• 1:49:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Worse.

• 1:49:46Speaker 03

  Forty-seven Ronin has to be in this, too.

• 1:49:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, the Keanu movie.

• 1:49:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, they spent like over 150 million on that.

• 1:49:53Sean Fennessey?

  Jumper.

• 1:49:54Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:49:54Sean Fennessey?

  Doug Liman movie with, uh.

• 1:49:56Speaker 06

  Hayden.

• 1:49:56Sean Fennessey?

  Hayden Christensen.

• 1:49:57Speaker 03

  I gotta say, I'd kind of like Jumper.

• 1:50:00Sean Fennessey?

  Good premise.

• 1:50:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, it wasn't bad.

• 1:50:02Sean Fennessey?

  A, a very famous one is Sahara, the Matthew McConaughey movie.

• 1:50:05Speaker 06

  Because there's so many Clive Cussler novels.

• 1:50:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:50:07Speaker 03

  Um. But did you know that John Carter lost the most money of all the movies that have lost money? I didn't know that until we did this exercise.

• 1:50:14Sean Fennessey?

  The highest number?

• 1:50:15Speaker 03

  It's the first one that comes up when you Google movie flops.

• 1:50:18Speaker 06

  Adjusted inflation. Yeah, I think it's the biggest loser.

• 1:50:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Spent the most money.

• 1:50:21Speaker 03

  I don't, what happens at John Carter?

• 1:50:23Sean Fennessey?

  Uh.

• 1:50:24Amanda Dobbins?

  He goes to Mars.

• 1:50:24Sean Fennessey?

  Mars, yeah.

• 1:50:25Amanda Dobbins?

  And then he meets Wula, who was like the animated little creature.

• 1:50:29Speaker 03

  You might be making this up right now.

• 1:50:31Sean Fennessey?

  No, it's true.

• 1:50:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Wula was a real thing. And they spent, I assume they spent a lot of the money animating Mars and, and Wula. You want to see a picture of Wula?

• 1:50:42Sean Fennessey?

  This is a historic moment on the podcast.

• 1:50:44Speaker 03

  John Carter.

• 1:50:44Amanda Dobbins?

  That's Wula.

• 1:50:46Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. Jesus.

• 1:50:50Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, I think that's it. Any other honorable mentions you want to mention?

• 1:50:54Speaker 03

  I mean, Costner with The Postman. People go to Waterworld as the Costner flop example, but Postman, and then I don't think Revenge is considered a win for me there, but it made money.

• 1:51:04Speaker 06

  It was earlier in his career.

• 1:51:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, it made money, though.

• 1:51:07Sean Fennessey?

  Kind of like it.

• 1:51:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, I kind of like it.

• 1:51:08Speaker 06

  I love Revenge.

• 1:51:10Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, okay.

• 1:51:11Speaker 03

  Rock of Ages is probably the other one we didn't mention.

• 1:51:14Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah, I forgot about that one.

• 1:51:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but.

• 1:51:16Sean Fennessey?

  Cruise.

• 1:51:16Speaker 03

  Bob Maruski.

• 1:51:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Just couldn't get, I couldn't even draft that, like.

• 1:51:20Speaker 03

  Cruise had that in Valkyrie. He was really struggling and then he made the Night and Day movie with Cameron Diaz. That one didn't make.

• 1:51:26Speaker 06

  I do love Valkyrie.

• 1:51:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Valkyrie's not bad.

• 1:51:28Speaker 03

  Valkyrie's good.

• 1:51:29Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:51:30Speaker 06

  It's about guys who made a stand, you know?

• 1:51:32Sean Fennessey?

  It's true. Um, but they didn't succeed.

• 1:51:35Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:51:36Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, so for our draft, in less than 30 million domestic wide release, no official year dates attached, I selected The Thing from John Carpenter. In Star Bomb, I took Ishtar. In Lost More Than 100 Million, I took The Last Duel. In Ebert Zero Stars, I took Freddy Got Fingered. In Sub 25 on Rotten Tomatoes, I took Congo. In failed franchise launch, I took The Man from Uncle. And in wildcard, I took Jonathan Demme's Beloved.

• 1:52:04Amanda Dobbins?

  In less than 30 million domestic, I took The Lost City of Z. In Star Bomb, How Do You Know? In Lost More Than 100 Million, West Side Story by Steven Spielberg. In Ebert Zero Stars, North. In Sub 25% on Rotten Tomatoes, Sister Act 2, Back in the Habit, which Chris and Bill have never seen. Failed franchise launch, Salt 2010. And then in wildcard, also a failed franchise launch, David Fincher's The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.

• 1:52:31Speaker 06

  I think Amanda's gonna win.

• 1:52:32Speaker 03

  I have Manhunter, Cruising, Ali. I should have done all one-word flops.

• 1:52:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:39Speaker 03

  Police Academy. Eight Millimeter. I owned a Dr. Moreau as a wildcard. Josie and the Pussycat as failed franchise launch. That's a pretty strong list.

• 1:52:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:50Speaker 06

  I took, uh, Black Hat in 30 million domestic. I took The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford for Brad Pitt's Star Bomb. Lost more than $100 million, I took Furiosa, a Mad Max saga. Ebert Zero Stars for my sins, I took Wolf Creek. Sub 25% on Rotten Tomatoes, I took Friday the 13th, The Final Chapter. Failed franchise launch, I took Master and Commander, The Far Side of the World. And for my wildcard, I put in Battleship.

• 1:53:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:21Speaker 03

  Pretty good draft. I don't even know how people would judge it.

• 1:53:24Sean Fennessey?

  Well, we're gonna find out soon.

• 1:53:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:53:26Speaker 03

  I just know that Shawshank wasn't a flop. I'm glad we all held the fort.

• 1:53:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:53:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, you guys did a great job.

• 1:53:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Are you okay? Is this gonna be okay? Will you keep drafting with us?

• 1:53:36Speaker 06

  No, I'm out, I'm out.

• 1:53:37Sean Fennessey?

  You're done?

• 1:53:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:53:38Sean Fennessey?

  How did it feel?

• 1:53:39Speaker 06

  A rebel draft podcast feed.

• 1:53:41Speaker 03

  I, I wish it had been easier. I, I, I prepared for six picks for each category.

• 1:53:45Speaker 06

  I know.

• 1:53:46Speaker 03

  Still ready to go and do more.

• 1:53:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Because it's six rounds in a Marvel show?

• 1:53:49Speaker 03

  I don't know. I just.

• 1:53:50Amanda Dobbins?

  What is this?

• 1:53:50Speaker 03

  I got a lot going on. I've got a football podcast this week.

• 1:53:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Rooting for you.

• 1:53:53Speaker 03

  Fight myself with the dogs. Just got a lot going on.

• 1:53:57Sean Fennessey?

  Well, thank you, Bill. Thanks for joining us.

• 1:53:58Speaker 03

  Pleasure to be here.

• 1:53:59Sean Fennessey?

  Always a pleasure to have you. Uh, thanks to Jack Sanders, who is on vacation. Thanks to Jamie and Sarah for filling in. Shout out you guys. Thanks to Lucas Cavanagh for production support.

• 1:54:06Speaker 06

  Welcome back, Amanda.

• 1:54:08Sean Fennessey?

  Welcome back, Amanda.

• 1:54:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you so much.

• 1:54:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. And you're, this is, you'll never take an episode off again, right? You'll be on every single episode going forward. Thanks for that. Uh, we will be back later this week to discuss the Dog Stars. We're also gonna rank all 30 Ridley Scott movies. Bill, what's your favorite Ridley Scott movie?

• 1:54:27Speaker 03

  I mean Gladiator is the easy choice. Someone to Watch Over Me is probably the one I saw the most.

• 1:54:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:54:33Speaker 06

  Not Alien.

• 1:54:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Not Alien?

• 1:54:35Speaker 06

  In there.

• 1:54:36Speaker 03

  Alien's really good.

• 1:54:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:38Sean Fennessey?

  Can you make a choice?

• 1:54:42Speaker 03

  Alien.

• 1:54:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:54:43Sean Fennessey?

  I thought he was gonna go black rain. Thanks for listening. We'll see you later this week.