The 2022 Movie Draft

We’re drafting again! Sean and Amanda are joined by Chris Ryan to discuss who they were in 2022 and draft the best movies from that year. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Producer: Jack Sanders Shopping. Streaming. Celebrating. It’s on Prime. A State Farm agent can help you choose the coverage you need. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.® Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:14Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about 2022. Chris Ryan is here. Thanks, man. I've been trying to pierce this guy's heart. I've been trying to get inside the breastplate, figure out who this man really is.

• 0:27Speaker 01

  Doctor heal thyself. That's what Cameron Winter says. You gotta work on what's happening over here.

• 0:31Amanda Dobbins?

  So were you there last night? Or was, no, that was Yasi. Sorry, I was just confusing Instagrams. And also, this, we're recording this for the future.

• 0:38Speaker 01

  Earlier in 2025 with Yasi at the Barnstall Art Center.

• 0:43Sean Fennessey?

  Lovely Park, I've been there many times.

• 0:44Amanda Dobbins?

  That's cool.

• 0:45Sean Fennessey?

  Cameron Winter, you know, is going to be the subject of a documentary, perhaps co-directed by Paul Thomas Anderson and Benny Safdie?

• 0:52Speaker 01

  May we live in interesting times.

• 0:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 0:54Sean Fennessey?

  Chris Ryan, congratulations. This is huge, dude. Very exciting.

• 1:00Amanda Dobbins?

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• 1:23Sean Fennessey?

  Let's just get right into 2022. Unless there's anything you want to get off your chests?

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Hmm, I was trying to think about whether or not I had any takes. Uh, Ellen McKay, no.

• 1:33Sean Fennessey?

  Did you see that?

• 1:33Speaker 01

  No, but like, I am interested in the fact that it's been critically revived in just 72 hours.

• 1:38Sean Fennessey?

  Ellen McKay.

• 1:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, it's been revived?

• 1:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41Sean Fennessey?

  No, no, no. You mean like reclaimed?

• 1:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43Sean Fennessey?

  No, it's all irony poisoned millennials who are like, actually, here's why this is good. We'll get into that later this week.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Did you happen to see either Ethan Hawke interview Sydney Sweeney for Actors on Actors or Ethan Hawke and his performance on Rogan?

• 1:57Amanda Dobbins?

  I saw a clip of Ethan Hawke on Rogan explaining why the Tarantino Paul Dano thing was actually an amazing gift to Paul Dano because he learned how many people love him.

• 2:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 2:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Ethan Hawke is unstoppable. Ethan Hawke should, I mean, like, he would be wasted as president. Like, let's do more, you know? Let's think bigger.

• 2:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Unbelievable. And it was like-

• 2:18Sean Fennessey?

  I would never burden him with the presidency.

• 2:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't even click on it as a Rogan clip, you know? It was just fed to me. And then suddenly they cut to Joe Rogan just like trying to look earnest or whatever.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  But he was like, Joe Rogan was like, I'm actually seeing things differently.

• 2:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:31Speaker 01

  Which just never happens.

• 2:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he's just been giving a lot of gifts this season. He's a very special person. 2022.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, sure.

• 2:41Sean Fennessey?

  We were, we were together.

• 2:42Amanda Dobbins?

  We were, sort of.

• 2:43Sean Fennessey?

  We were, we were, we had emerged from quarantine.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  Just living in the house that Jason Kilar built, you know?

• 2:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it was a, it was a, that wasn't Project Popcorn. That was 21.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  No, but I think that-

• 2:55Sean Fennessey?

  It kind of bled into 2022, but-

• 2:56Speaker 01

  We kind of are in the, the, what do they call it? The water that comes from the back of the boat?

• 3:02Amanda Dobbins?

  The, the, oh, the wake.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  The wake. The wake of, of-

• 3:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I got there with you.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  Project Popcorn.

• 3:07Sean Fennessey?

  I see.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I noticed you didn't turn to him for that boat question.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  It's like, I knew you were-

• 3:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Have you been on a boat?

• 3:13Speaker 01

  The waves?

• 3:13Sean Fennessey?

  On a boat? I'm from Long Island. How dare you? I was on boats all the time.

• 3:17Amanda Dobbins?

  You've never been tubing?

• 3:19Sean Fennessey?

  Uh-

• 3:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Or jet skiing?

• 3:20Sean Fennessey?

  I haven't been, I have been tubing, but not tubing behind a boat.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  Would you do it?

• 3:24Amanda Dobbins?

  So you wouldn't know about the waves?

• 3:25Sean Fennessey?

  Would I do it?

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:26Sean Fennessey?

  Like, today?

• 3:27Speaker 01

  Watch along?

• 3:30Speaker 01

  I'll do fire and ash if you go tubing with me.

• 3:35Sean Fennessey?

  I'll consider it. I'll consider it. Just to get you in front of Jake Sully one more time.

• 3:39Speaker 01

  Just tubing would be a good podcast for us to do if, like, Andy ever quits the watch.

• 3:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  And it's just Sean on the, on TV. Just tubing.

• 3:48Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, nice.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:49Sean Fennessey?

  Not a freak.

• 3:49Amanda Dobbins?

  That's good.

• 3:54Sean Fennessey?

  Have you ever?

• 3:56Amanda Dobbins?

  That was 2021.

• 3:57Sean Fennessey?

  You know, and in 2021, how many pods did you record wearing no pants?

• 4:02Speaker 01

  Totally nude underneath? Yeah, most of the rewatchables from then, Gladiator, for sure. At full attention.

• 4:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Do you like wearing pants? Do you guys like wearing pants?

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Very much so.

• 4:12Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 4:13Sean Fennessey?

  You don't like it?

• 4:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I've, I've come back around on it. I mean, you remember there was like a dress phase of my life?

• 4:20Sean Fennessey?

  A dress phase, yeah.

• 4:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and now I think for a while, when pregnant, it was like very hard to wear pants because they don't really, this, the technology is not there yet for pregnant women.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Smock era.

• 4:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 4:34Sean Fennessey?

  We gotta get Jim Cameron on this.

• 4:36Amanda Dobbins?

  But now I'm back, oh, on the technology. Honestly, like, if they put Jim Cameron in charge of like prenatal and care and like postpartum technology or whatever, like, our lives would be so much better. I think like people, like, quite literally, many women's lives would be saved. All of the medical care and the experience would be like tremendously improved.

• 4:59Sean Fennessey?

  I agree.

• 4:59Amanda Dobbins?

  If Jim Cameron could just get to work. Anyway, I wasn't wearing pants for a while, so now I'm like kind of back to pants. You know? That's true, but you know, I, some people like those. And then the babies can swim.

• 5:11Sean Fennessey?

  I feel like we haven't really figured pants out.

• 5:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 5:14Sean Fennessey?

  Like, there's still something very unfinished to me about this experience.

• 5:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 5:18Sean Fennessey?

  You know, like, I get it, we need to cover ourselves, right? For a variety of reasons, for propriety, for warmth.

• 5:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 5:24Sean Fennessey?

  For safety, but the way that these things fit is just funny.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  I gotta tell you, man, I don't really know where you're coming from on this because I feel like in 2008, I saw you wear a bape jacket and since then, you've worn the same outfit every day. Like, your pant leg never changed, right? All through skinny to now we're going back to 501 full leg, like,

• 5:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  You never bit on-

• 5:50Amanda Dobbins?

  You don't wear 501s, do you?

• 5:52Speaker 01

  No, he never did.

• 5:52Sean Fennessey?

  I don't.

• 5:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  He has whatever cut he wears.

• 5:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, you mean that we, the culture?

• 5:56Speaker 01

  Of pant or jean.

• 5:57Amanda Dobbins?

  The pant culture.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  Sean remains the North Star.

• 6:00Sean Fennessey?

  I have a uniform.

• 6:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 6:01Sean Fennessey?

  I have a uniform.

• 6:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Or is it still the slim rag and bones?

• 6:04Sean Fennessey?

  The idea, yes.

• 6:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:05Sean Fennessey?

  Not slim, whatever number three is.

• 6:08Amanda Dobbins?

  OK, I think they're all slim cut, but that's OK. It works for you.

• 6:11Sean Fennessey?

  Thanks.

• 6:11Amanda Dobbins?

  It's better.

• 6:12Sean Fennessey?

  They're not all slim cut, that's incorrect.

• 6:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, on the, and the range of things, like compared to Zach closet, you know, the silhouettes have widened.

• 6:19Sean Fennessey?

  That I've noticed.

• 6:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Around the, you know.

• 6:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 6:22Amanda Dobbins?

  More broadly.

• 6:22Sean Fennessey?

  That will, that will, that will change again.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  First episode of Just Tubin, you wear Diesel bootcut jeans. Who says no?

• 6:30Sean Fennessey?

  Whenever I'm getting dressed in the morning, I think, would this be acceptable if I were to meet Frank Sinatra today?

• 6:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:34Sean Fennessey?

  That's exactly what crosses my mind. Do you think about things that way?

• 6:39Speaker 01

  No.

• 6:41Sean Fennessey?

  Should we pivot back to 2022 or just keep going?

• 6:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, yeah.

• 6:44Sean Fennessey?

  Men's sartorial choices, is that of note to you?

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Is this the year that, that slop poisoned the well? Is this, when you went through the, the list of films?

• 6:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, look at him go.

• 6:53Sean Fennessey?

  Dramatic idea.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Well, I was just like, my, my process for these drafts, uh, in which I'm undefeated,

• 7:02Speaker 01

  for five years.

• 7:02Sean Fennessey?

  Many people are saying.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  No, my process for these drafts is to go through, uh, chronologically, the list of American theatrically released films.

• 7:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 7:11Speaker 01

  Uh, the definition of theatrically.

• 7:13Sean Fennessey?

  Because you will not watch a foreign language film.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  I just, yeah, I mean, like, I don't feel like I'm hearing it in the intended language.

• 7:18Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not here to read.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  I was overwhelmed.

• 7:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Except for every single film that I watch with subtitles, because I'm old.

• 7:26Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah, every movie, yeah, yeah.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of stuff and also the unbelievable amount of films I was like, what is that? There are two DJ Caruso films here. What, when did those come out and what, what platform or service were they available?

• 7:42Sean Fennessey?

  I see.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  And, uh, just the, the kind of, not the poisoning of the well, but just the changing shape and, and feel of the film landscape feels very distinct in 2022. Like, we come out on, on the other side of COVID and everything's different. That's, that's something that really struck me, look, going through the movies.

• 8:00Sean Fennessey?

  That's an interesting query. We never really talk about it in that context, because. I just pulled up the average rating of all the films released that year according to the list that I made on Letterboxd. And if you look from the bottom up, the lowest rated films of the year, any guesses? I'm sure you haven't spent much time thinking about these movies because you won't be drafting them.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Uh, no, I mean, like, also, I don't even know how wide the the sort of aperture is there. I mean, like, how many movies do you have listed there?

• 8:25Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, hun, I think I have over 300 movies here.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. So.

• 8:30Sean Fennessey?

  A lot.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  What's the bottom? Like, yeah, what were you? What were you gonna say?

• 8:32Sean Fennessey?

  Morbius is at the bottom.

• 8:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm, sure.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:37Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, the Firestarter remake, Judd Apatow's The Bubble.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I never saw that.

• 8:43Sean Fennessey?

  Netflix's Texas Chainsaw Massacre reboot.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  That's fucking wrong.

• 8:46Sean Fennessey?

  Um, Robert Zemeckis's Pinocchio.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Never saw it.

• 8:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. Not the fascist one.

• 8:53Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 8:54Speaker 01

  There's a fascist?

• 8:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, Guillermo del Toro also made a Pinocchio this year, and he makes, uh, oh.

• 8:59Sean Fennessey?

  Well, you, well, he made Frankenstein. Oh, you in 2022?

• 9:02Amanda Dobbins?

  In 2022, he made, excuse me, and he made him fascist.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  He did?

• 9:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 9:07Sean Fennessey?

  He made him a puppet contemporaneous to the rise of fascism in Italy.

• 9:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but like.

• 9:11Sean Fennessey?

  In Spain.

• 9:12Amanda Dobbins?

  But like Pinocchio is like dancing around pretty fascist.

• 9:14Sean Fennessey?

  Italy, in Spain, in Italy.

• 9:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Italy.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  Italy. Yeah, I spent some time this weekend watching Joe Wright's Mussolini, Son of the Century.

• 9:21Amanda Dobbins?

  How is it?

• 9:22Speaker 01

  Very Joe Wrighty.

• 9:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  But it's basically this guy playing Mussolini being like, I am a fascist, like the entire, like screaming at camera.

• 9:29Sean Fennessey?

  But was it subtitled?

• 9:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 9:31Sean Fennessey?

  And you did watch it?

• 9:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:33Sean Fennessey?

  First time ever watching a subtitled film?

• 9:34Speaker 01

  You know, I'm, I'm a citizen of the world.

• 9:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 9:36Sean Fennessey?

  Many people are saying that as well. Yes.

• 9:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:39Sean Fennessey?

  So now you're finally giving yourself over to this podcast. It only took 20 minutes. Um, are you wearing pants right now? Also on this list of the lowest rated films of that year, Halloween Ends, the final in David Gordon Green's trilogy of Halloween reboots.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  And, uh, 4XD.

• 9:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 9:56Sean Fennessey?

  4DX.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  4DX.

• 9:58Sean Fennessey?

  Is 4XD like on Pornhub? Where do you see that?

• 10:01Speaker 01

  Trying to have like a real cultural conversation.

• 10:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, 40x is the one with the sides.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 10:08Amanda Dobbins?

  But like, not the whole thing, insides, which was my disappointment.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 10:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 10:12Sean Fennessey?

  I actually saw the other film on this list in 40x, Andrew Dominick's Blonde. It was crazy.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:18Sean Fennessey?

  It was like, you felt like you were going through the birth canal. It was wild. Yeah, so a little bit of a complicated year, high highs.

• 10:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 10:26Sean Fennessey?

  Some, some big hitters.

• 10:27Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 10:28Sean Fennessey?

  This year.

• 10:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Not unlike 2025 for me, honest, this, this movie.

• 10:32Sean Fennessey?

  How so?

• 10:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Though maybe, but there are a couple, like all time, I went to the movies and I'll never forget it experiences. And then, just a lot of other stuff.

• 10:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Some of which I liked and some of which I didn't really, but there's like a pretty big chasm between

• 10:49Speaker 01

  The top and the mid.

• 10:50Amanda Dobbins?

  The top and the mid and then the low.

• 10:53Sean Fennessey?

  What about for you? Did you like it? Even despite the slop?

• 10:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I mean, I also am a slop connoisseur, you know, I, I've been known to tuck in to a big heaping bowl of kale and other crap, you know what I mean? I think that one thing that, here's how I would define what I, I think I mean by the slop stuff is where the bottom falls out on the competency, not even the competency, but the, the foundation of movies that I ordinarily would be like, this is pretty cool, like a cool genre movie, 90 minutes. And it's like, why is this two hours and 20 minutes? It looks like it's been through four reshoots. And it looks like it was shot with like an iPhone 11, you know, like, and that would be a major release. And so, I think that you see a little bit of like a loosening of standards maybe on some of that stuff.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  And I still enjoyed a bunch of, a bunch of stuff from this year, but like Amanda, I do think that there's like five to 10 movies that sort of stand above everything else.

• 11:53Sean Fennessey?

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• 12:38Sean Fennessey?

  Terms and conditions apply. There's certainly a handful of movies that I absolutely love on the list. Not a, not a ton.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:47Sean Fennessey?

  I do think it's interesting to think about the health of the box office at this time coming out of COVID relative to even where we are now. Like when you look at the top of the box office here, the top five movies are Jurassic World Dominion, which made $375 million, Doctor Strange 2, which made 411, Black Panther 2, which made 450, Avatar 2, which made 680 and Top Gun Maverick, which made 720. This is just domestically. That's pretty healthy.

• 13:14Sean Fennessey?

  Now, those are sequels, they're all sequels and the movies below them are all sequels. So it's not as though we've kind of dramatically changed where we were. But it does feel like even from this time, things have changed. And maybe it's augured in part by what you're describing. I seem to remember having a pretty good time at the movies this year though. And there with, with one big hulking, you know, we are back.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:40Sean Fennessey?

  Right in the middle of it.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  Isn't this the invention of we are back kind of? Isn't Maverick sort of like?

• 13:44Sean Fennessey?

  When did we start doing that? I'm not sure.

• 13:46Speaker 01

  We were literally back.

• 13:47Sean Fennessey?

  We were back.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:48Sean Fennessey?

  We were quite lit. Well, I think the first movie I was back for was.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  A Quiet Place 2.

• 13:54Sean Fennessey?

  A Quiet Place 2.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  I remember that. Yeah, it was the, the previous summer.

• 13:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. And I felt that that was the greatest film ever made when I was sitting in the movie theater, even though it's, I'm sure it's fine.

• 14:03Speaker 01

  Was, uh, was, what's the M. Night Shyamalan on the beach?

• 14:08Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, old.

• 14:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, old. That was August.

• 14:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 14:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  Is that August 22?

• 14:12Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it was 21.

• 14:13Speaker 01

  21.

• 14:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Because.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  That was my first time back.

• 14:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I was Stranger, no, not Stranger. Um, A Quiet Place was my first one back. And then I was also there. I was at the La Canata, um, movie theater seeing Old in an empty theater by myself. But I had also just told Sean that I was pregnant for the first time. So I was, um, texting with Sean from the movie theater, which is really rude. I'm sorry to have night, Sean Malan, about Old in the theater.

• 14:37Sean Fennessey?

  Why did you text me about that during a movie?

• 14:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Zach was actually, Zach wanted to tell you as a friend that we were having a kid. And so he called you, but like, he didn't really time the call correctly. So.

• 14:49Sean Fennessey?

  Did you guys end up having the kid?

• 14:52Speaker 01

  Did you see Old?

• 14:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. We did. But so that was also, this was 2022 was when Knox was born. So I was, um, I, some of these movies, it was interesting. Like I, I caught up with a lot of things, but there are some of the slop I just got to, you know, take a pass on.

• 15:09Sean Fennessey?

  You got to skip Morbius. I think Morbius came out February 2022.

• 15:12Amanda Dobbins?

  It did. Um, so Knox.

• 15:14Sean Fennessey?

  I saw it with Van.

• 15:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. No, I remember. You usually do the first podcast after I have a kid with Van. That's but, which is just.

• 15:22Speaker 01

  Traditional like any other.

• 15:23Amanda Dobbins?

  And now it's done.

• 15:24Sean Fennessey?

  We did Joker 2.

• 15:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And now, and now we're done. No. So, um, Morbius was his, like around his due date. His due date was actually the day of the Oscar nominations. So we scheduled that Oscar nominations podcast in the morning and then I went to the hospital. That's a true story.

• 15:39Sean Fennessey?

  You're a trooper.

• 15:39Amanda Dobbins?

  And then, but my first back movie in theaters was Top Gun Maverick. Like I, you know, I got to go finally. I was released from postpartum hell. Um, and that's, that's part of the reason that I feel as affectionately toward that movie as I do. But it was also, everyone was like, okay, we feel good about this. Like vaccines are in a decent place. We're all done. Let's fucking go. And they did.

• 16:06Sean Fennessey?

  It was exciting. They really did. They went very fast. Do you, do you, do you remember anything distinct about yourself in 2022? Who you were, what you were doing? I know you were doing pods and you were, we were all hanging out, but.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  I don't know. I think I was, I have to say, I was looking at a short-lived diary that I was keeping from like two years ago.

• 16:25Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  And was very struck by the similarity of like my day-to-day life. So I think obviously like you get to a certain point in your 40s and like things start to like settle. I traveled a lot in 22, I think, obviously relative to the previous two years. So, you know, I'm a little seasoned.

• 16:41Sean Fennessey?

  Are you ready for a change now?

• 16:44Speaker 01

  In my professional life?

• 16:45Sean Fennessey?

  If you could go back to school, we've been joking that Amanda's going to business school because she wants to help us better understand this Warner Brothers situation. So she'll be getting her.

• 16:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Did you hear about the network that I pitched also?

• 16:56Speaker 01

  I didn't.

• 16:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Or the studio, sorry. So if I win Warner Brothers, I think I'm giving the studio tour and then you're just live all the time doing like Business Chris, giving people updates on what our new company is gonna mean.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  Chrissy Bloomberg.

• 17:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 17:13Sean Fennessey?

  Seems like a good use of your talents.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely. Do I want to change? You know, I was talking, we have high fidelity is going up today on rewatchables. And I did say that I think I was probably happiest in my life just working in a record store. And if I had been told like, this is it, we'll give you like 5,000 more dollars every year. I'd be like, all right, let's just do that.

• 17:34Sean Fennessey?

  That's interesting.

• 17:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 17:35Sean Fennessey?

  Did you explore that emotionally? Or did Bill just go like, thanks for sharing that, Chris, and move on?

• 17:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, without the thanks for sharing that part.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  I think, you know, I am glad that I moved on with my life and there aren't that many record stores. So it would have been a lot of competition.

• 17:52Sean Fennessey?

  But just so I'm clear about this, you are unhappy now at this stage of your life.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  I'm not unhappy. I'm not unhappy.

• 17:57Sean Fennessey?

  I'm very happy. I was.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  Are you?

• 17:59Sean Fennessey?

  2022, 2022 is hard.

• 18:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 18:01Sean Fennessey?

  I had a very young, very unhappy child, extremely unhappy, zero to one-year-old. And so that was a very challenging period. Remember very vividly, and I can say this out loud now because I've just entirely replaced our roof. Our roof was fucked up because there was so much rain in California in January, February, and March of this year. I'll never forget it. It was like world historical rain, or at least it felt like it was. And then I think 23, we also had a lot of rain. Anyhow. Personally, I remember that very vividly because it was so challenging and it's so different from how I feel now. Movie wise, pretty good, not great. Very interesting draft situation here for us because a couple of hyper hot commodities.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  I did have one question for you. Not, not, I know, but like, I did want to know whether when you look at a year like this, where you say, pretty good, not great, are you like, I'm glad I saw everything, though. I'm still glad I watched it all. I'm still glad I was a pretty big completist.

• 18:57Sean Fennessey?

  Well, why do you ask that? Like, what?

• 18:58Speaker 01

  Because I know that when we get to the end of the years, you're just like, god damn it, that was a lot of movies. You know what I mean? And I know that it's the project and I know you want to see everything and then say like-

• 19:06Sean Fennessey?

  So funny you bring this up. I was just texting with somebody else about this, about like my mania on trying to see as much as I can before the year's out.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  I'm not psychoanalyzing you. I'm actually like, I'm wondering, I just did the 10 best of the year for the watch. It's impossible to watch all TV, but you know, I did, I did feel a little bit in the back of my head like, man, I really feel like I have to watch 20 hours of these three shows or whatever to have like a real take on the best of the year. I was like, it's just not doable. But you really do, you go for it. You go for the entire picture.

• 19:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. So you can see here on the list that I've made, it's 309 movies and it says, you've watched 309 of 309. So I saw all of these movies that are on this list from the release this year. Now, at the risk of being corny, I really do feel lucky to get to do this with you guys, to get to be on a show like this. When I was 12, if you had told me that this is how I would spend a huge part of my professional time, I would have been, lost my mind. I would have been so happy. So I see it as like a responsibility to try to see as much as I can. The problem is, and I'm feeling it this time of year, obviously, December 15th, where I'm like, there's still 60 movies I think I should see before the year's out.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:13Sean Fennessey?

  It's usually diminishing returns and the ones that you put off are usually the ones you put off because you're like, I know I'm not going to like this anyway.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:20Sean Fennessey?

  Sometimes you get surprised, but most of the time you don't. So it does, there is a feeling of wasted effort, but I don't feel like my life is passing me by because the only things that I'm really interested in doing are being here, doing these shows, being a part of this company and being with my family and friends. So I've kind of found a way-

• 20:35Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 20:36Sean Fennessey?

  -to make it all work together. So I don't regret it. Answer your question.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  Is this what you dreamed of when you were 12?

• 20:45Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think I could have dreamed that this would be a thing.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. No, I couldn't have either. No. It's, I mean, I, I agree with Tom.

• 20:52Sean Fennessey?

  What did you dream of?

• 20:53Amanda Dobbins?

  What did I dream of?

• 20:53Sean Fennessey?

  You dreamed of being a ballerina in the Bolshoi Ballet.

• 20:56Amanda Dobbins?

  That had aged out.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  The first female president?

• 20:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 20:59Sean Fennessey?

  You dreamed of being first clarinet in Lydia Tarr's orchestra.

• 21:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't, yeah. Not a woodwinds person.

• 21:07Sean Fennessey?

  No kidding. You don't like how they sound?

• 21:10Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I do. The, the LA Phil did a kids' show focused on woodwinds recently. And we went and it was a lovely time and they played Rhapsody in Blue and that, you know what?

• 21:19Sean Fennessey?

  Gershwin.

• 21:20Amanda Dobbins?

  There you go. But, uh, no, I would be more in the, the string section, I think.

• 21:24Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 21:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I recently learned that Rob Hone played the viola.

• 21:28Sean Fennessey?

  Checks out.

• 21:28Amanda Dobbins?

  But watch, I thought was cool. Just wanted to share that with everyone, some crossover stuff.

• 21:32Sean Fennessey?

  What did you play as a child?

• 21:33Speaker 01

  A recorder when I was young.

• 21:35Sean Fennessey?

  Recorder?

• 21:35Speaker 01

  A little bit of violin. And then...

• 21:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I like, every parent dreads the day when the child comes home with a recorder. But I really, tiny you with a recorder. I can't imagine.

• 21:47Speaker 01

  Played some Hanukkah song. I can't remember. And then violin briefly.

• 21:54Amanda Dobbins?

  How briefly?

• 21:55Speaker 01

  And then guitar, you know?

• 21:57Sean Fennessey?

  You were also a vocalist, right?

• 21:59Speaker 01

  Yes, that was more in college though. Thank you, Jack.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm not ashamed of it. It was fun, man.

• 22:06Sean Fennessey?

  There was no shame coming from my way. Sing a tune.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  No, my, my music would fucking scare your middle-class, middlebrow audience.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  Only Zach Baron understands it.

• 22:20Sean Fennessey?

  Are you blind that the watch does not have a middle-class, middlebrow audience?

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Well, half of us do, yeah.

• 22:28Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 22:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Well.

• 22:31Sean Fennessey?

  Probably time to... Is there anything we want to say about the awards that year? Would you rather save it?

• 22:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Save it.

• 22:35Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. There's, of course, a very potent film.

• 22:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 22:39Sean Fennessey?

  At the Academy Awards in this year.

• 22:42Sean Fennessey?

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• 23:01Speaker 01

  Very crucial.

• 23:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I know.

• 23:03Sean Fennessey?

  Very crucial. Maybe like-

• 23:05Speaker 01

  The most no brainer number one pick in a long time.

• 23:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Well.

• 23:08Sean Fennessey?

  Is it though?

• 23:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, so here's the real thing, but we need the order first.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  Okay, coming right up. Here we go.

• 23:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I'm nervous.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  Dungeons and Dragons ball. Here we go.

• 23:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm nervous. This is, this is like

• 23:17Speaker 01

  This is like who's gonna get Wendy.

• 23:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Miss America thing, but like for real, you know? You know?

• 23:21Sean Fennessey?

  Except you're not being judged on your beauty or intelligence.

• 23:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, that's true.

• 23:24Sean Fennessey?

  Merely by Jack's ability to shake a bag.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  Selecting first is CR.

• 23:28Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 23:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 23:29Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 23:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow.

• 23:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  We did it, Joe.

• 23:33Amanda Dobbins?

  All right, but this is the real one. This is like who's second. Yeah.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  Selecting second, Sean Fennessey.

• 23:39Amanda Dobbins?

  God damn it!

• 23:40Speaker 01

  Third, Amanda Dobbins. I want to send, I want to show you something from yesterday, Amanda. I sent this to Sean, uh, like in the middle of the afternoon.

• 23:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, uh, yeah.

• 23:55Sean Fennessey?

  What does it say?

• 23:56Speaker 01

  It says, Amanda, if she loses out on Tar and Maverick tomorrow, and it's Patrick Moles' tweet that says, don't know why it had to happen. And not going to lie, it hurts, but all we can do now is trust in God and attack every single day and over and over again.

• 24:13Sean Fennessey?

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• 24:36Sean Fennessey?

  Well, Amanda, it's very important that you be a good neighbor right now.

• 24:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I have to have a meeting with myself for a minute. And like, maybe you guys can be.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  Can I just give you some perspective?

• 24:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  I feel like we've had

• 24:45Sean Fennessey?

  Mansplaining this for her.

• 24:46Speaker 01

  In a real, really like lovely way. We've really made space for each other this year on these drafts, I think.

• 24:52Amanda Dobbins?

  That's beautiful.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  And don't you think that like, if you went back historically over like the rest?

• 24:56Sean Fennessey?

  Give me a fucking break.

• 24:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Here's the thing.

• 24:58Sean Fennessey?

  With fucking Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande putting their hearts together. Get out of here.

• 25:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Like I said, like I said, I'm gonna have a meeting with myself and if you want to help, you can just give me a minute because like I'm fucked and that's fine, but there were.

• 25:14Sean Fennessey?

  That's not true.

• 25:15Amanda Dobbins?

  There were, well, but like.

• 25:16Sean Fennessey?

  Anybody who's gonna get Top Gun was gonna be in the, in the pole position.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  Did we ever do, uh, the 89 draft results? Do we ever poll that?

• 25:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I won 100% to zero.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:28Sean Fennessey?

  It's up somewhere, I think. We, it doesn't, there's no centrality where we vote anymore. So there's no way to like.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  It's the streets. It's, it's.

• 25:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. What do the people tell you? I do think it's very fun at the live shows when we do the QR code.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  You know what would be fun for charity is if we do a draft and then we phone banked afterwards to like, take like polls, like with people.

• 25:46Sean Fennessey?

  What people thought?

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. But what if they're like super disappointed when I pick up the phone and not you? And they're like, I needed to jerk off with Chris on the other line. Can you please patch me into Chris immediately? Uh, yeah. I don't, is it, did the results matter? We've been doing drafts since COVID. For five years, we've been doing movie drafts.

• 26:05Amanda Dobbins?

  They've never mattered to me.

• 26:07Sean Fennessey?

  Haven't they? Why did you just throw a temper tantrum?

• 26:09Speaker 01

  Just say you needed a full minute.

• 26:12Sean Fennessey?

  You have a meeting with yourself about something that doesn't matter.

• 26:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I had to have a meeting with myself about not being a petulant brat for the rest of the thing because.

• 26:21Sean Fennessey?

  Do you have a meeting with yourself before?

• 26:23Amanda Dobbins?

  But I'm like, it's no fun without the two, because I really only like two movies this year and I'm not gonna get them.

• 26:28Sean Fennessey?

  You only like two movies?

• 26:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm just like, whatever. I don't care.

• 26:31Sean Fennessey?

  Really?

• 26:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, I, I didn't see that many.

• 26:34Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 26:34Amanda Dobbins?

  And so I remember going to see the big two and being like, this is awesome. Movies are back. Had like an incredible series. Everything, like, there are some things I like, but like.

• 26:44Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting.

• 26:44Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, you're shuffling around them. And so it's just not.

• 26:49Amanda Dobbins?

  You know.

• 26:49Sean Fennessey?

  Good outcome. You grudgingly taking movies you don't care about is always funny.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  That's always good content.

• 26:55Sean Fennessey?

  People love that. Well, there's six categories.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 27:00Sean Fennessey?

  I'm gonna talk through the categories for the listeners at home, so perhaps I should pull up the document in which they're listed.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  I can do the categories.

• 27:06Sean Fennessey?

  I was gonna do seven, and then I took one off the board. I took comedy off the board.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, we're in death throes of studio comedies here.

• 27:16Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know if we can really do comedy as a category for the next few years.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  Big L M K narrative. Is this the end of studio comedies?

• 27:23Sean Fennessey?

  Not in the movie.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, because there are no laughs in the movie.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  There aren't?

• 27:27Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, not very many, no.

• 27:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Not really, no.

• 27:30Sean Fennessey?

  It's a tough set.

• 27:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:31Speaker 01

  How is, uh, how is Albert Brooks in the movie?

• 27:36Sean Fennessey?

  Quite good.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but underutilized?

• 27:39Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:39Sean Fennessey?

  He's not in very much.

• 27:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:40Sean Fennessey?

  Um, just nice to see him. Six categories: drama, action, horror, thriller, Oscar nominee, sequel, blockbuster with a $100 million threshold. There are 18 films eligible, and wildcard. Amanda has forfeit. She is sitting out this entire draft. There are no good films.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  You and me taking ambulance 14 times.

• 28:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I remember listening to that one on leave, and I was like, these two found each other, and that's beautiful.

• 28:12Sean Fennessey?

  That was...

• 28:13Speaker 01

  The coolest night of my life.

• 28:14Sean Fennessey?

  Spiritual. That we... The movie ended, and we turned to each other, like two swans who found one another in a giant lake. And we were like, God, this is so beautiful that we can have this. We can share this.

• 28:27Speaker 01

  He throws a drone under an ambulance?

• 28:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's like a special movie, fucking Bay.

• 28:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Does he actually throw it?

• 28:32Speaker 01

  No, I mean, he drone, he flies the drone underneath.

• 28:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Nast is like really taken with drones, and I'm not excited about it. He's just like very interested, you know?

• 28:40Sean Fennessey?

  The best moment in television this year is the drone getting caught on the streetlight in Pluribus. That was incredible. That was so good. Uh, okay. Do you wanna start?

• 28:51Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah.

• 28:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Well...

• 28:52Sean Fennessey?

  Like, but I mean, do you wanna, do you wanna riff anymore?

• 28:54Speaker 01

  No, I'm good.

• 28:55Sean Fennessey?

  You got any more gags you wanna do?

• 28:56Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I didn't have gags.

• 28:58Sean Fennessey?

  Literally gag.

• 28:58Amanda Dobbins?

  They're just like my feelings, but it's fine. My connection to cinema. Go ahead.

• 29:03Sean Fennessey?

  There are good films this year.

• 29:04Amanda Dobbins?

  It's fine. Do what you're gonna do.

• 29:06Sean Fennessey?

  Is it because there's a movie called Women Talking?

• 29:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 29:07Sean Fennessey?

  You're like, these women are talking too much. Talk less.

• 29:12Amanda Dobbins?

  That's what it is.

• 29:14Sean Fennessey?

  CR, go ahead.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  I'll take Top Gun and Oscar.

• 29:16Sean Fennessey?

  In Oscar?

• 29:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Interesting, okay.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Uh, not my favorite batch of Oscar movies, so, uh, while it's, you know, obviously eligible for several categories, including blockbuster, I'm gonna take this in Oscar. I think we all believed, we all dreamed, that maybe, uh, TC would get, get his big statue here, um, but, you know, obviously, like, Hollywood has a way of

• 29:38Speaker 01

  correcting things, um, but I'm happy that he eventually got, like, what was this, like, the Lifetime Achievement Award that he received?

• 29:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's, uh, Governor's Award.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  Governor's Award.

• 29:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Honorary.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  But is that, is that part of the Academy?

• 29:48Sean Fennessey?

  It is, yeah.

• 29:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, he got an Oscar, but we don't recognize it on this podcast.

• 29:52Sean Fennessey?

  No, that's not true.

• 29:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't. Give him a competitive one, like, be real.

• 29:56Sean Fennessey?

  They did get, it's a real Academy Award.

• 29:58Amanda Dobbins?

  You know what I mean.

• 29:59Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  Uh, this movie still rules. I, uh, rewatched it recently, actually, on, uh, on a streaming service, and it plays, obviously not as bombastically and as involvingly, but like, just as well as it did in the theater. It's actually like, the last,

• 30:16Speaker 01

  well, I would say the last thirty minutes up until the last ten minutes are perfect cinema, where from when they leave the battleship to go into the coffin run. You know, some of the stuff with the parachuting and rescuing the parachutes and stuff at the very end is a little silly, but the very end is fantastic.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  I always knew that I would like this movie. I never knew I would love it, you know? Um, and in some ways, I think I agree with you that this is like, kind of like this weird, it's like, it's like better than the first one, and it, it makes you like, love this character in a way you didn't really in the first one, so, yeah, Top Gun Maverick was just, it was, it was truly the clarion call, the battle cry of we're so back.

• 30:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Remember when we came to your house during the fires, because we didn't have power?

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 30:59Amanda Dobbins?

  And my son was very freaked out, and you sat in the other room with my son, watching Top Gun Maverick, while we figured out what to do.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 31:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, thanks for that moment.

• 31:06Sean Fennessey?

  First he gave it to you, and then he took it from you.

• 31:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. That wa, it was very sweet, though.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:13Amanda Dobbins?

  So, thank you for doing that.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  I was just thinking about that the other day.

• 31:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Do it. It's fine.

• 31:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm deleting it right now.

• 31:22Sean Fennessey?

  December is the season of giving.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 31:25Amanda Dobbins?

  You don't have to do it.

• 31:26Sean Fennessey?

  To Amanda, I will bequeath what she will.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 31:29Sean Fennessey?

  Because there is a movie that I love more than her movie.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  You used to get so mad at me when I would do stuff like this.

• 31:35Sean Fennessey?

  Well, things have changed.

• 31:36Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's almost like I don't trust it. Like, why are you doing this?

• 31:39Sean Fennessey?

  I'm just being myself because I love Babylon more than I love Tar. And I care more about Babylon than I do about Tar. And I know Tar means a lot to you.

• 31:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you.

• 31:47Sean Fennessey?

  And I know that I, well, frankly, I need you to perform a good podcast here.

• 31:51Amanda Dobbins?

  I said I had a meeting with myself so that I would.

• 31:54Sean Fennessey?

  I'll be taking Babylon in, I guess,

• 32:02Sean Fennessey?

  drama?

• 32:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 32:03Sean Fennessey?

  I think drama.

• 32:05Amanda Dobbins?

  OK.

• 32:05Sean Fennessey?

  Because to me, this is an interesting Oscar year. And I'm kind of middling drama year. And Babylon, of course, Damien Chazelle's near masterpiece about the development of Hollywood, the rise of a certain kind of storytelling, something that I'm completely obsessed with. A movie that I helped construct with many millions of people, A Beautiful Hive.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 32:28Sean Fennessey?

  We've been living inside that hive for some time.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Watch along on it?

• 32:30Sean Fennessey?

  We did a watch along.

• 32:33Sean Fennessey?

  Kind of an instant cult classic. Bombed at the box office, but bounced back pretty vigorously for those who understand and love it. Haven't revisited it since our watch along. I tend to not go back to films, aside from Zack Snyder's Justice League, which I've seen 10 times.

• 32:49Sean Fennessey?

  But.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  I've seen Dark Knight Rises like six times. It's our.

• 32:52Sean Fennessey?

  Is that true?

• 32:52Speaker 01

  It's on a lot, so I will stick around for any Bane nuggets I can get.

• 32:56Amanda Dobbins?

  On what?

• 32:58Speaker 01

  On HBO.

• 32:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, OK.

• 33:00Sean Fennessey?

  So you just, you like are flipping channels?

• 33:02Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. Like when I'm watching basketball, when I'm watching sports, I'll flip to like, on the commercial, I go to the movie channel.

• 33:07Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting. OK.

• 33:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you feel like you understand the ending of Babylon anymore now that you have seen Avatar, The Way of Water?

• 33:18Speaker 01

  It feels cheap that he would put that movie in the like montage of the greatest film moments ever and whatever.

• 33:25Sean Fennessey?

  It's a horrendous take. It's the most freezing cold take I've ever heard.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  Okay. I'm not gonna fight with you about it.

• 33:34Sean Fennessey?

  The whole point is about the evolution of cinema over time.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:38Sean Fennessey?

  Avatar was an evolution, was part of the evolution.

• 33:40Amanda Dobbins?

  What Chris is saying is that he didn't feel that Avatar, The Way of Water was as evolved as maybe we presented it to him, but he didn't see it in 3D, you know?

• 33:51Speaker 01

  That's right, and I never will, so maybe I'll just be blind to that for the rest of my life.

• 33:55Sean Fennessey?

  Frankly, I find your attitude quite poor. Um, so yeah, I've got Babylon.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 34:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, that was very nice.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Are you excited for the prison movie? The Damien Chazelle prison film?

• 34:07Sean Fennessey?

  I, I can't wait. Wait, remind me of the cast. It's two, it's two actors that I'm very excited about.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  It's not Leo.

• 34:14Sean Fennessey?

  No. This just came out last week.

• 34:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I just Googled Damien Chazelle prison drama. Um, Killian Murphy and Daniel Craig?

• 34:20Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible.

• 34:21Amanda Dobbins?

  It is incredible.

• 34:22Sean Fennessey?

  And that's amazing.

• 34:23Speaker 01

  The brutalist guy is shooting it.

• 34:24Sean Fennessey?

  And, yeah, uh, uh.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  Law Crowley.

• 34:27Sean Fennessey?

  Law Crowley, thank you, Jack.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:29Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. Come on. No?

• 34:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, sure. I like those people, yes.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Do you think that those guys are playing Americans?

• 34:39Sean Fennessey?

  Probably. It'd be better if they weren't.

• 34:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 34:42Sean Fennessey?

  What's the, what's the, the British and Irish prison system like?

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Uh, it's pretty bad.

• 34:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  I mean, it's like, they, they haven't really updated those places in a long time, so...

• 34:51Sean Fennessey?

  Do we think this is a period piece or contemporary prison situation?

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Chazelle hasn't made a contemporary film since...

• 34:59Sean Fennessey?

  La La Land.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  La La Land.

• 35:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Right, which is sort of fantasy.

• 35:03Sean Fennessey?

  But it's set in the modern times.

• 35:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Going hard in my home right now.

• 35:05Sean Fennessey?

  La La Land.

• 35:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, though Knox thinks it's called Gaga Land.

• 35:08Sean Fennessey?

  Close enough.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  It's actually a star's board.

• 35:13Amanda Dobbins?

  But you know, it's pretty good. He's good at the endings of movies.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  So you took Babylon?

• 35:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  Perhaps as a great peace offering at the end?

• 35:21Amanda Dobbins?

  That was really nice. Thank you.

• 35:23Sean Fennessey?

  You're welcome.

• 35:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I promised that I would have gotten it together, but I will, uh, in Oscar nominee, take Tar, uh, which...

• 35:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Is, you know, I have two favorites of this year. Top Gun Maverick for the spectacle of cinema and Tahr for just absolutely fucking going for it. Capital C cinema.

• 35:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I started like laughing with joy and I can't believe you're doing this at the end of this movie, which is just a feeling that is so rare in movies at all now, but especially it's, it's very, very hard to end things. This is like an, an amazing, smart, funny, completely discomfiting, like really naughty, just like instant masterpiece that we had such a nice, like fun time arguing back and forth about what it means to different people has been so interesting and like, you know, keeps changing. There are so many like small observed moments that I think about all of the time, you know,

• 36:28Amanda Dobbins?

  just like the, the deleting of the email and the, the, all of Cade Blanchett's like furtive movement, movements and stares and.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  What did she do with that kid? Was she like, the kid who's like bling?

• 36:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I am Petra's father. Like, and I, oh my God, I was so incredible.

• 36:45Sean Fennessey?

  Amazing shit.

• 36:47Sean Fennessey?

  So, uh, Todd Field interviewed Noah Baumbach for J. Kelly at the DGA and his questions were so good. I was so jealous of the way that he interviewed Noah Baumbach. You know, Noah is usually, he's a little more restrained in terms of how he answers a question, but it was a, it was a reminder recently of just like special dude, super, he came on the show for Tahr, super cool, really smart. The origins of that movie are so strange where like Focus had the, was developing a movie about a conductor and they kind of gave it to him and then he ripped it up and started making his own version of the movie.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Really?

• 37:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's such a fascinating thing and God, he's only made three movies. Like I just really would love to get a few more.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  Have you heard anything about if he's got something rolling right now?

• 37:34Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure. I hope soon.

• 37:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I'm now I'm just like running scenes through my head. The Juilliard set, you know, confrontation between the student and Lydia Tarr is sort of like a, an instant time capsule of that whole time period that we lived in. And it's, you know, has been done since Leswell, including literally putting Julia Roberts in a blazer and having her dress down a college student for like being overly simplistic about, you know, cancel culture. But it really is an incredible piece of writing, incredible performance. Thank you for letting me have this movie, Sean.

• 38:13Sean Fennessey?

  You're welcome. Did you, did you see After the Hunt?

• 38:16Speaker 01

  No.

• 38:17Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good CR Zag movie. Cause there is.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  Oh, like I'd be like, you guys, like, why was everybody so mad about this?

• 38:22Sean Fennessey?

  You could do that's like, this movie knows what it's doing and it's actually really smart. Like, I wanted to get there after I saw it. I wanted to do that and I just couldn't do it.

• 38:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought I was going to be able to do it until I saw the last 35 minutes. But I, and I did almost.

• 38:34Sean Fennessey?

  It really botches it.

• 38:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I did almost put like the first hour and a half of After the Hunt on my like honorable mentions list, but it just, it doesn't really get there.

• 38:42Sean Fennessey?

  You should check it out, though. It's kind of.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  I will, I will overlook all this.

• 38:44Sean Fennessey?

  It's chewy. You'll be, you'll find things to like about it.

• 38:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I have another pick.

• 38:50Amanda Dobbins?

  And so in drama, I'm going to take The Fableman's.

• 38:56Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, good pick.

• 38:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, which is Steven Spielberg's under celebrated, uh, film about his childhood and divorce and creativity and not quite understanding your parents. And also that like nice guy who's hanging around your house all the time. And there are like four movies within it. It's, it's, you know, episodic almost, even though it is ultimately about his relationship with his father and, and his mother and coming of age as a filmmaker. But like, you know, the weird, not weird, like the lovely American graffiti high school, like interlude in the middle. I like, everything is so.

• 39:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Lovingly and like deceptively, uh, complicatedly made, you know, cause it, it, it could just be a guy with a camera and trains. You know, and, and maybe some people would explain Spielberg that way, but there's a lot more going on. So I really like this movie. It seemed to really piss a lot of people off and then.

• 40:04Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know, really know why.

• 40:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't either. I, it's, I guess.

• 40:09Sean Fennessey?

  A super sincere self-portrait.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  Was it like the Michelle Williams aspect of it necessarily? Or like the depiction of the mother? Like, I don't, I don't really know. I mean, I think it's, it seems to have, you know, like all late period Spielberg, like after the up and down of its initial release, just has like, kind of like this 100% approval rating in terms of its craft and stuff like.

• 40:30Sean Fennessey?

  Cinophiles tend to pretty quickly just be like, West Side Story, banger, the post banger. Like these movies are just like eminently watchable, incredibly creative, given the constraints of the story. And this one's just a little different because it's so deep, but it's also this like act of collaboration. Right? Cause he wrote it with, uh.

• 40:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Tony Kushner.

• 40:47Sean Fennessey?

  Tony Kushner, thank you. Um, and I think it's a fascinating piece of work. I think it's a good pick.

• 40:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Really, really raw and really, and also now that the ending has a, you know, extra lovely meaning of labor.

• 41:02Sean Fennessey?

  Gabriel Lavell, fantastic in the movie.

• 41:03Amanda Dobbins?

  But given David Lynch's passing, so, you know, very, very special movie. So that's in drama and those are my two picks.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Interesting moment here for us.

• 41:12Sean Fennessey?

  Easy one for me. Blockbuster, I'm taking note.

• 41:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 41:16Sean Fennessey?

  This was my favorite movie of 2022. This is my favorite Jordan Peele movie. This is, uh.

• 41:25Sean Fennessey?

  I saw it on 70 millimeter this summer with Eileen and she still was like, I don't really understand this movie. But that.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  This summer or that summer?

• 41:34Sean Fennessey?

  We saw it this past summer for my birthday. And it was an incredible experience. Actually, Jack, you were there, right?

• 41:40Speaker 01

  I was.

• 41:41Sean Fennessey?

  What did you think of that screening?

• 41:43Speaker 03

  Absolutely amazing.

• 41:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  On 70, it was just come and how loud the movie was projected to is fucking amazing.

• 41:48Sean Fennessey?

  It was sick. We saw it at the Egyptian. And yeah, you know, I think a really smart, kind of similar to The Fableman's, like exploration of self and like what you do in the act of making movies and the way in which certain artists are overlooked historically while others are celebrated. And then also this really deep and kind of complicated and maybe unsorted idea of spectacle and like why we're drawn to things.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:09Sean Fennessey?

  That could be dangerous, that could be exploitative, that could be, that could kind of corrode us in some way. And like for a movie that has a diaphanous UFO in it.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:23Sean Fennessey?

  Is really, really thematically rich. Amazing performances from Kaluya and Kiki Palmer.

• 42:28Speaker 01

  Great mishmash of genres, great moments that stay with you, like the Steven Yeun, like, you know, and, and, and like the, the, obviously the sort of childhood TV.

• 42:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, the sitcom sequence with the, with the, with the ape.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  I feel like Peels kind of standing or maybe curating or whatever is diminished a little bit over the years, largely because of the stuff that his production company has been associated with not living up to the promise of, of Get Out. And I, I don't know, his movies actually now to me play better on like the 10th watch than they do on the first.

• 43:07Sean Fennessey?

  Totally.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  And Nope's a great example of like something that's like in the theater, you're like, what the fuck are we, what's going on? Not because it's confusing, but just because you're like, wow, what a big swing.

• 43:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  What an interesting idea to throw in the middle of this movie or at the end of this movie.

• 43:19Sean Fennessey?

  I totally agree. I do think that we talked about this on 25 for 25, that Get, that Get Out is such a complete statement. Like it's a movie that is very legible.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:27Sean Fennessey?

  It's very fun to watch, very funny.

• 43:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. It's pop, but also has a lot of ideas.

• 43:33Sean Fennessey?

  Has depth. Yeah. But Us and Nope are like a little messier, have a lot of strands around them. Like it does feel, it feels less neat. And I, I like that. I like when a great filmmaker is trying to stretch some things out and go a little bit deeper. So I hope that this is just another link in a chain of progression for him. But I, I love, love, love this movie. I probably will watch this movie every couple of years till I die. So easy pick for me. Okay. Amanda, no, Chris, you've got two.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Uh, okay. So I will, Andrama, I'm going to take Banshees of Inisherin.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  That is because I really like this movie a lot.

• 44:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Really?

• 44:09Speaker 01

  It is also a little bit of a chess move on the Oscar category for you guys because it takes another one off the board. Um, Martin McDonagh's incredible drama comedy about friendship in a rural Irish island? Village? Isn't it an island?

• 44:27Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's an island, yeah.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  Island, uh, starring Colin Farrell, Brendan Gleeson, Barry Keoghan, and Carrie Condon. Uh, and

• 44:34Sean Fennessey?

  My wife.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  When you watch the first time through, like, I think you go into it and you're like, this is gonna be like a kind of very snappy, dark, typically McDonagh movie about like these two guys and their weird forever war, but the underlying plot about Keegan's longing for the Carrie Condon character is the thing that really stayed with me and, uh, I think remains, uh, Keegan's best, best performance.

• 44:57Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  And, um, you know, Carrie Condon obviously got to do this. She's, she's in F1, um, this year is one of my favorite, uh, sort of unsung performers. And I really love this movie. I think it's probably his most satisfying film for me since In Bruges. So I will take that in drama.

• 45:15Sean Fennessey?

  Great movie. That was a fun, we did, that was a fun pod we did when you came back.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I very much felt like the Carrie Condon in that particular podcast, but that's okay.

• 45:25Sean Fennessey?

  And we were both Barry Keoghan.

• 45:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, yeah.

• 45:27Speaker 01

  We were both chopping each other's fingers off.

• 45:28Sean Fennessey?

  There goes that dream.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  And, okay, so I do that in drama.

• 45:32Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm.

• 45:33Speaker 01

  You taking a Blockbuster?

• 45:34Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  Have you taken a Blockbuster?

• 45:36Sean Fennessey?

  I have.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  You took nope in Blockbuster.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  I don't like these Blockbusters that much.

• 45:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  And I feel like I gotta take the Batman here.

• 45:43Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Good pick.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  Um.

• 45:45Sean Fennessey?

  Good movie.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  Good movie. And, uh, no, I just stand with Paul Dano.

• 45:52Sean Fennessey?

  Well, this was a gift to him.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:54Sean Fennessey?

  That he received.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:55Sean Fennessey?

  Right?

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Uh, what do you mean?

• 45:56Sean Fennessey?

  That's what, that's what Ethan Hawke said. This was a gift.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  Oh, right. This whole experience was a gift.

• 46:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I picked up your

• 46:01Speaker 01

  I thought, I didn't know if you meant like getting the Riddler was a gift.

• 46:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. Well, no, but this is my, as I've said before, one of my favorite memes of the century is, "No! No!"

• 46:15Sean Fennessey?

  Like him losing his mind behind the Arkham jail cell.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  This is good. This is if the prisoners guy grew up and moved to Gotham, you know?

• 46:22Sean Fennessey?

  Very much, very much.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  And he's a fantastic villain in it.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  Pattinson, a really solid Batman, really good visualization of a world. Reeves kind of came to this and had a fully fleshed out like landscape of characters that he obviously wanted to put out there.

• 46:42Sean Fennessey?

  Did you, did you see the rumor that Brad Pitt is going to be the villain in the Batman two?

• 46:46Speaker 01

  He's not going to be in it, but yes, he was going to be either Dr. Arkham.

• 46:50Sean Fennessey?

  Dr. Arkham, proprietor of Arkham Asylum.

• 46:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 46:54Sean Fennessey?

  Which is a

• 46:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm guessing it's not best practices there.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  I have gone deeper into rumorville with that one.

• 47:00Sean Fennessey?

  And you've, you've learned that it is not true.

• 47:02Speaker 01

  I've learned that that is not happening. Apparently he cannot make that work with the, um, what's the movie that he's going to make? Driving all over, oh, Ever Burger.

• 47:11Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  Movie that he's making. But it does seem like ScarJo might be the villain of this movie.

• 47:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 47:18Sean Fennessey?

  Well, who would she be?

• 47:19Speaker 01

  She would be Harvey Dent's wife.

• 47:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 47:23Sean Fennessey?

  Wow. Are you breaking that here on this pod?

• 47:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Can I ask you something? So when you're, you know, you're doing the work on the message boards, are you ever posting?

• 47:32Speaker 01

  No.

• 47:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Never.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  Never.

• 47:33Amanda Dobbins?

  You're a 100% lurker.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Have you thought about posting in 2026?

• 47:39Speaker 01

  Do you think I should post?

• 47:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I think, but you should never be like, you shouldn't be CR, you know?

• 47:44Speaker 01

  You want me to do burners of, of getting involved in movie DC spoilers?

• 47:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I just, I feel like you could bring a lot of joy to people. Don't you think?

• 47:52Speaker 01

  Don't, don't run with this as if it's like, I didn't report this at all. I just read it on Reddit that she is playing, that there is a specific Batman run that this is being drawn from.

• 48:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 48:03Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 48:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:04Sean Fennessey?

  What's, what's Harvey Dent's wife's name? Does she have a name? She is a woman after all. You could give her some, some life.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  But I can't remember what the, the nickname that she has of a supervillain.

• 48:13Sean Fennessey?

  So what is, isn't Scarlett Johansson doing something else?

• 48:15Speaker 01

  She's the Exorcist.

• 48:17Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 48:17Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but she, but she also joined another franchise.

• 48:20Sean Fennessey?

  No, it was The Exorcist. That was the big one that she joined.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  She's got Jurassic Park World.

• 48:24Sean Fennessey?

  Was there another one that she joined?

• 48:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought so. I'm going to look right now. You guys can keep talking.

• 48:29Sean Fennessey?

  She's just a survivor. She was like, I'll go from lily pad to lily pad.

• 48:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 48:35Sean Fennessey?

  Fuck you, baby.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  You like it?

• 48:37Sean Fennessey?

  I'm gonna have to respect it.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 48:39Sean Fennessey?

  You know, she's not suggesting that she's some sort of great artist when she makes Jurassic World Rebirth.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  She directed her own movie with June Squibb, right?

• 48:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Eleanor the Great. Did you see it?

• 48:48Speaker 01

  I didn't.

• 48:49Sean Fennessey?

  Why'd you skip it? Because you're moving for adults?

• 48:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, because I only watched Taylor Sheridan TV shows. Yeah.

• 48:55Sean Fennessey?

  You can't find it.

• 48:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no, it was it was the Batman, according to Batman and the Exorcist.

• 49:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 49:02Amanda Dobbins?

  But so I think that the DC rumor was what I was thinking about.

• 49:06Speaker 01

  Gilda, Gilda Gold.

• 49:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 49:09Sean Fennessey?

  Gilda Dent.

• 49:10Amanda Dobbins?

  But also Gilda Gold, according to this AI.

• 49:13Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, and is that inspired by the by the 1940s noir?

• 49:18Speaker 01

  I don't know. I haven't never heard of that. What?

• 49:20Sean Fennessey?

  Gilda?

• 49:21Speaker 01

  Gilda, the movie?

• 49:22Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've heard of it, but I haven't watched. I don't I don't have it at my fingertips.

• 49:27Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. It's a great film.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 49:29Sean Fennessey?

  You should consider it.

• 49:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's really good. It's where she does the hair flip, you know?

• 49:32Speaker 01

  Oh, is that the movie where she does that? Is that Marlee DeTrick?

• 49:35Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 49:36Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 49:36Amanda Dobbins?

  It's Rita Hayworth.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Oh, Rita Hayworth. When does Marlee DeTrick?

• 49:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Do a hair flip?

• 49:40Speaker 01

  No, she just goes like-

• 49:41Amanda Dobbins?

  She doesn't really do a hair flip, yeah. The hair, that hair doesn't move.

• 49:44Speaker 01

  My bad.

• 49:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 49:46Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, you should check out Gilda. I feel like you would enjoy it.

• 49:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Gilda's good, yeah.

• 49:49Sean Fennessey?

  It's kind of, it's pretty firmly in your zone. And then you'll be able to understand the Batman 2.

• 49:53Amanda Dobbins?

  What's the song she performs? Like, what's the something?

• 49:57Sean Fennessey?

  I forget.

• 49:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Rita Hayworth, Gilda song.

• 50:00Sean Fennessey?

  It's on the Criterion Collection.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  Do people start drafting movies from like the 1940s?

• 50:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Put the blame on Mame.

• 50:05Sean Fennessey?

  Put the blame on Mame.

• 50:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Uh- It's really good, Gilda.

• 50:08Sean Fennessey?

  I want to do the 1939 movie draft.

• 50:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 50:12Sean Fennessey?

  So we can do it November 2026.

• 50:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 50:15Sean Fennessey?

  If we need to prep.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 50:17Sean Fennessey?

  But it's, you know-

• 50:18Speaker 01

  Project.

• 50:18Sean Fennessey?

  Considered among many of the greatest movie of all time. I think it'd be kind of a tough sell for the audience, once you get past the first five.

• 50:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Grow up.

• 50:25Sean Fennessey?

  But-

• 50:26Speaker 01

  2029 Michael Curtiz draft.

• 50:29Sean Fennessey?

  Michael Curtiz Hall of Fame.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:30Sean Fennessey?

  That's a hard one. Uh, okay. You picked both. You picked the Batman and you picked The Banshees of Inisherin.

• 50:38Speaker 01

  I did.

• 50:38Sean Fennessey?

  And now I have a pick.

• 50:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 50:45Sean Fennessey?

  I think in sequel.

• 50:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 50:52Sean Fennessey?

  I will take, no, an Oscar nominee, I will take Avatar, The Way of Water.

• 50:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 50:58Sean Fennessey?

  Which is of course, a film that I love.

• 51:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and brings you to tears.

• 51:01Sean Fennessey?

  It moved me.

• 51:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 51:03Sean Fennessey?

  No tears were shed on the podcast. People can watch it at home. There's not a single tear.

• 51:07Speaker 01

  It's as close as you've ever got to crying that I've ever seen you.

• 51:10Sean Fennessey?

  You can, is that true?

• 51:11Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 51:12Sean Fennessey?

  That can't be true.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  The, if the Mets win the World Series, I'm assuming you're gonna burst into tears.

• 51:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I've, I've seen you tear up a couple other times on this podcast.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  Really?

• 51:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but like, in all other situations, it's when we're talking about children dying and then, and then we both are crying.

• 51:28Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 51:29Amanda Dobbins?

  And that was just him crying about a whale.

• 51:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess.

• 51:33Sean Fennessey?

  I did not cry.

• 51:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. But it looks the same.

• 51:36Sean Fennessey?

  I will not be slandered on this podcast. Uh, I was, I was moved thinking about.

• 51:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 51:41Sean Fennessey?

  Jake Sully and his family.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:42Sean Fennessey?

  And there's, and Pycon, and Pycon's pain and being cast aside.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  Is Pycon got a big role in, uh?

• 51:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he sure does.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Good.

• 51:51Sean Fennessey?

  It's a really important role.

• 51:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 51:53Sean Fennessey?

  His majesty is on display. Um, this of course is Jim Cameron's thunderous return to feature filmmaking. 13 years after the original Avatar.

• 52:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 52:03Sean Fennessey?

  He came back and he showed us what his powers can really conjure. I, we, I guess in two days are going to record an episode about the third film.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  Just the two of you?

• 52:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I guess so.

• 52:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Pycon not available.

• 52:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. No spoiler.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  Didn't know if you were gonna be bringing in like another Avatar head.

• 52:22Sean Fennessey?

  Well, you hate it. Joanna hates it.

• 52:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 52:26Sean Fennessey?

  Van loved it.

• 52:27Amanda Dobbins?

  I was wondering whether we should see if he's.

• 52:30Sean Fennessey?

  Van stood and applauded at the conclusion of the film. Yes. Dan also hit us with a similar to Dune Part Two, like a god damn in the middle of the movie, which is really exciting.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  Oh, can I just say something really quick to our listeners?

• 52:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  I have been doing other research about Dune.

• 52:48Sean Fennessey?

  I thought you were gonna say vaccines.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  Part Three.

• 52:50Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  And I feel bad because I have been like fake spoiling it for a while. And I've kept doing like, and this is gonna happen in Dune Three, and that doesn't happen for like three books. So, never mind what I was saying about Dune Part Three, but I did find.

• 53:03Sean Fennessey?

  So that was a message for the listeners.

• 53:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:05Sean Fennessey?

  To whom you've spoiled the film Dune Three.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  But don't worry about it. If I did spoil it.

• 53:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Because he hasn't spoiled it.

• 53:11Speaker 01

  Don't sweat it. It doesn't, that doesn't happen until way later.

• 53:14Sean Fennessey?

  Anytime you started talking about Dune Three, either one of you, I just immediately checked out mentally.

• 53:18Speaker 01

  So you don't like Dune Three? You're like, I'm out on Dune.

• 53:21Sean Fennessey?

  No, no, no.

• 53:22Amanda Dobbins?

  You just don't wanna know what happens.

• 53:23Sean Fennessey?

  No, I don't wanna know what happens.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  Okay, good. So you have no, you don't have any memories of what I've said about Dune Three?

• 53:29Sean Fennessey?

  I know that there's some worm situations in play.

• 53:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 53:32Sean Fennessey?

  But that's all I really know. Everything else I don't know. I kinda wanna read the books, to be honest, but I know I'll never do that.

• 53:37Amanda Dobbins?

  No, you won't do it. Would you listen to them? Are you an audiobook person for fiction?

• 53:42Sean Fennessey?

  I've never done it for fiction.

• 53:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I can't do it for fiction.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  Will you do it if?

• 53:44Sean Fennessey?

  I've done it for nonfiction many times.

• 53:45Speaker 01

  Chalamet reads them, but as the Liverpool rapper that he supposedly is? SD Kid?

• 53:52Sean Fennessey?

  The answer is yes. The answer is yes.

• 53:56Amanda Dobbins?

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• 54:14Sean Fennessey?

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• 54:27Sean Fennessey?

  So Amanda, you have a pick?

• 54:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I do. In fact, I have two picks. I was very nervous there for a second in sequel that you were gonna take my pick. So in sequel, I will be taking Downton Abbey, A New Era, which is the best of the Downton era movies.

• 54:41Speaker 01

  You thought he was gonna take Downton Abbey?

• 54:42Amanda Dobbins?

  It's really good. He'll tell you too.

• 54:44Sean Fennessey?

  I'm a big fan.

• 54:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's incredible.

• 54:45Sean Fennessey?

  The films, have you not seen the movies?

• 54:47Speaker 01

  I don't think so. I never finished Downton Abbey, the series.

• 54:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so the first one is like, fine, but it's just two TV shows stitched together.

• 54:53Sean Fennessey?

  It's solid.

• 54:54Amanda Dobbins?

  But yeah, but it's like, there's like a plot, you know, at exactly at one hour, they wrap up the first one and then they move on to the second one.

• 55:00Sean Fennessey?

  That's true.

• 55:00Amanda Dobbins?

  It's okay. This one, fully realized. There's a whole new cast of characters who live on the French Riviera, who the Crawleys have to go visit.

• 55:10Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 55:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Meanwhile, this is the one where Hugh Dancy shows up and is making a film, and Lady Mary has to sing in the rain it because...

• 55:19Sean Fennessey?

  He wants to, she wanna shoot the film at Downton.

• 55:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 55:22Sean Fennessey?

  While the whole family is there.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  Hugh Dancy killing it in the American Revolution, by the way.

• 55:25Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, oh, no kidding.

• 55:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't know he was on Law and Order until Saturday Night Football.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Uh, for several years.

• 55:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Sunday Night Football, yeah.

• 55:31Sean Fennessey?

  Is Hugh Dancy a loyalist? What, who is he portraying?

• 55:34Speaker 01

  A loyalist?

• 55:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 55:35Speaker 01

  Uh, he's portraying like, I think, a British general or something.

• 55:39Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  British Colonel.

• 55:40Sean Fennessey?

  Got it.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 55:43Amanda Dobbins?

  So he's the film producer. And then it turns out that, um, so, and it's, it's, it's just pure crib from Singing in the Rain, but it starts as a silent film and then, you know, they go to see the jazz singer. And then they're like, oh no, we have to make this. But the, the woman actress can't, doesn't have a proper speaking voice. So Lady Mary steps in and dubs it for her. And then you know who writes the script? Oh my God, I thought if I kept talking that I would be able to remember...

• 56:10Speaker 01

  Oh, so you were vamping just now.

• 56:11Amanda Dobbins?

  What his name is. No, what's his name? That is all that happens. That's true. What's his name? The guy, the, the, the valet. You know, who writes the script?

• 56:22Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 56:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Who becomes the screenwriter? Come on. Listen, and I'm not even telling you, they go to the French Riviera because Lady Violet, AKA the Dowager Countess, like, had a torrid love affair and she got left a house, a whole house.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  Really?

• 56:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 56:40Amanda Dobbins?

  This is a great film. This is definitely the best of the three.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Do you feel like I need to be current on Downton, the series, to watch the movies?

• 56:46Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but just... Put that on and you are gonna have a great time.

• 56:50Sean Fennessey?

  Molsley.

• 56:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Molsley, of course. Yeah.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  Does it ever suggest?

• 56:54Sean Fennessey?

  Did you mention Dominic West is like?

• 56:56Amanda Dobbins?

  No. Oh, yeah. And he shows up.

• 56:57Sean Fennessey?

  Fake like Errol Flynn and he comes in and he's an actor, but he's also a gay man. And he fought behind the scenes, he fought, who does he fall?

• 57:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Thomas.

• 57:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 57:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Thomas gets a happy ending?

• 57:06Sean Fennessey?

  This is honestly, these movies I think are genuinely good.

• 57:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. It was real. It's really, really fun.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  Did you see, Katie Baker did a really good piece for The Ringer where she interviewed a bunch of showrunners about their favorite episodes of the last 25 years? And Julian Fellowes was for Presumed Innocent, the pilot.

• 57:25Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty good pilot.

• 57:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. Awesome pilot.

• 57:27Amanda Dobbins?

  That was the problem. Yeah. Well, I was also like tough last three episodes where you knew what was gonna happen.

• 57:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that was an ideal.

• 57:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, sequel, Downton Abbey, A New Era. Great job to everyone involved. And then.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  Look at her. She's got so much pep in her step because she walked out with Tar and Downton.

• 57:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I did. I did.

• 57:45Sean Fennessey?

  This is friendship.

• 57:46Amanda Dobbins?

  It was, it was really nice. And I, I will, I'll always remember it, Sean. Here's what I'm gonna do. In action horror thriller.

• 57:56Amanda Dobbins?

  The student has become the appreciator. I will take Pearl, which I saw because I promised to watch Maxine.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:03Amanda Dobbins?

  And then I was like, well, I gotta watch the first two. And I was really charmed by Pearl.

• 58:09Sean Fennessey?

  Excellent film.

• 58:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Which.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  Did you like X?

• 58:10Sean Fennessey?

  This completes the trilogy of silent film transition.

• 58:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 58:14Sean Fennessey?

  In movies this year between Babylon, Downton Abbey, A New Era and Pearl.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  Oh, you could teach a summoner about that. That's really interesting.

• 58:22Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, but it is a horror movie at some point, but for a while it is just Mia Goth being very weird and charming in the mid, in the Midwest.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  The chronology of Pearl is a little bit.

• 58:35Amanda Dobbins?

  And doing some inappropriate things at a movie theater and David Corns sweat is there. Um, okay, so.

• 58:41Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's, I thought it was Texas because I, X takes place in Texas. That's where the house is.

• 58:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah, that would make sense. Um, it is Texas. I just, I like was very charmed by this. Great Mia Goth performance, even when it gets gnarly.

• 58:54Sean Fennessey?

  I think her best performance.

• 58:55Amanda Dobbins?

  It's like amusing gnarly instead of freaking me out gnarly.

• 58:59Sean Fennessey?

  David Corns sweat.

• 58:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 59:00Speaker 01

  Did you like X?

• 59:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah, I liked that one, but Pearl was definitely my favorite. And then Maxi and I was insulted by them being like, this is Bates Motel, this is where Psycho happened. You know, I was like, thanks, thanks so much.

• 59:14Speaker 01

  I like Maxi. I also just, I'll never forget watching Maxi on a plane and just be like, this is so inappropriate.

• 59:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, the stomping of the balls is really quite powerful.

• 59:28Sean Fennessey?

  Pearl, being a movie that Ty West and Mia Goth just cooked up because they were stuck in, I think, Australia or maybe New Zealand during the production of X is also one of those really, a weirdly positive outcome of the struggles of 2020 and 2021.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  There's a lot of like, we had to go to some far-flung place to shoot a movie that could have just as easily been shot in Plano. Yeah.

• 59:50Sean Fennessey?

  Right, right. Okay, good pick. I love Pearl. I will stay in thriller, action, horror, and I'll be taking Barbarian.

• 59:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I was waiting.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  I was, I was, I took, I took Banshees and Drama because it's a thin category.

• 1:00:07Sean Fennessey?

  You wanted to take.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  I wanted to. Are you taking Nope in Barbarian Hertz?

• 1:00:10Sean Fennessey?

  Well, Barbarian also in my top 10 that year. I, the minute it was over, I was like, we have another guy. We have another person whose movies I will be seeing for the next 25 years. And that's very exciting. And that really just came to fruition with Weapons and the success that Zach Craig had with that movie. Barbarian, we recorded an episode about the film, very normal episode, in which Chris and I, in extraordinary detail, talked minute by minute through the film, off of memory, to Amanda. We, that was before I was getting close to the 44 cliff. And I could still do things like that.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  I think I wasn't, I, that, this would have been me at 47, six.

• 1:00:50Amanda Dobbins?

  See, he's proof that we're gonna be okay.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  But I just didn't procreate.

• 1:00:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's, so part of my reprogram for you, we are gonna start doing some weightlifting, some strength training.

• 1:01:00Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, okay. Who's we?

• 1:01:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I.

• 1:01:02Sean Fennessey?

  Like, together?

• 1:01:03Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, no, no, unless, I did think it would be funny if you guys came to Pilates with me sometime.

• 1:01:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I just, I'd like to watch you fall into the machine.

• 1:01:11Sean Fennessey?

  I think doing Pilates would be helpful for me.

• 1:01:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:14Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think I want to do anything with you.

• 1:01:16Amanda Dobbins?

  That's fine.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  Don't want to be in shorts.

• 1:01:19Amanda Dobbins?

  There's like a, there's always one man in the Pilates class and I, I love the one man in the Pilates class and I like salute him.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  Specifically, or like is he like a generally speaking?

• 1:01:28Amanda Dobbins?

  No, there's just like always ah, like there's like one guy.

• 1:01:31Sean Fennessey?

  It's not like Steve is always there in any class you're in.

• 1:01:34Amanda Dobbins?

  No, except for the time.

• 1:01:35Sean Fennessey?

  That may be a man who's haunting you.

• 1:01:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Except for the time that there was a Shrek soundtrack themed Pilates class after me and there was more than one man going, which says a lot. But the one man in the Pilates class, I have respect for this man. He's always trying his best and he just like always comes up against the moment where he can't, he can go no further.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:54Amanda Dobbins?

  But he keeps trying and I admire it.

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  But all the women in the class can.

• 1:01:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's right. Because it is, it's some tough shit. Which is why I want you to come, because I think it would be fun, but also it would be good for you.

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:02:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, so yeah, Pilates strength training, that'll help you with your wellness cliff.

• 1:02:14Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I was talking about Barbarian.

• 1:02:20Sean Fennessey?

  I think Barbarian's great.

• 1:02:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:22Sean Fennessey?

  And I need it on 4K.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, what's up with that?

• 1:02:25Sean Fennessey?

  Zach said he's working on it.

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:02:27Sean Fennessey?

  We'll see.

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  It's been three years.

• 1:02:29Sean Fennessey?

  Bob Iger, if you're listening.

• 1:02:32Sean Fennessey?

  Your movie studio produced Barbarian, I'd like to say thank you. Thank you for contributing the funds and the distribution power for that film. I'm glad I was able to see it on a movie theater screen. Put it on 4K now.

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  Bob, in return for putting it on 4K, I, on behalf of Sean, consent for his likeness to be available in Sora AI training videos?

• 1:02:56Sean Fennessey?

  I will have tea with Minnie Mouse on Sora.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  If you think that's what I'm doing with you on Sora.

• 1:03:02Sean Fennessey?

  What would you do?

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  I would have you wearing a Chase Utley uniform, crying at his Hall of Fame induction.

• 1:03:10Sean Fennessey?

  Well, now someone's just gonna go and make that.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  You're the most beautiful big boy in my life.

• 1:03:16Sean Fennessey?

  Now I have to make Chase Utley AI to combat that. Like, you're gonna make me make slop so that all the people in my mentions making slop?

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:24Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, see, this is the problem.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  We could go to Pilates, but instead, we're gonna send each other videos of Chase Utley.

• 1:03:29Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe, maybe, yeah, I mean, putting it all together, I think, would be really the ideal execution.

• 1:03:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:34Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I had a funny conversation about ChatGPT, uh, over the weekend at your house where, uh, someone was telling me that they, someone was telling Eileen and I that they use it. And we were asking questions about what they use it for, why they use it. And then this guy who was explaining it to us was like, yeah, and you know, it's like, you gotta pay the monthly fee. And Eileen almost lost her mind. And she was like, you have to pay for this? Like, oh, how much do you have to pay? And I was like, I don't know, was it $7.99 or something?

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:04:02Sean Fennessey?

  And she, she was like, I will get a pitchfork and take it to the, to the door of, of OpenAI.

• 1:04:07Speaker 01

  Was the guy using it for more than just like a slightly elevated Google? Was he using it as like companionship or what was?

• 1:04:13Sean Fennessey?

  It was, uh, as a companion to raise his son. No.

• 1:04:21Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, okay. Chris, you have a pick.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:04:24Sean Fennessey?

  Right, Chris's pick?

• 1:04:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I think so, because I just got to do Pearl.

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  Just review what we got here. I have a drama, I have a Oscar nominee, and I have a blockbuster. So I need a sequel, a wild card, and a action horror thriller.

• 1:04:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you still take like the green supplements in the morning?

• 1:04:42Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:04:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  I do.

• 1:04:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't really do that either, but I'm wondering.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Vitamin C goop, I've been kinda on for the last couple of months.

• 1:04:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I, I tried that, like the honey one?

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  But I have a, um, immersion wonder thingy that Phoebe got that I use.

• 1:04:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I'm not allowed to use those.

• 1:04:55Speaker 01

  I just crush those.

• 1:04:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, yeah, the finger. But, um, but I was thinking some sort of, like, you know, vitamins or powder type thing that you can just put in tea or coffee or whatever.

• 1:05:07Sean Fennessey?

  For me, you mean?

• 1:05:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, for you, to make sure that you're getting the foods that you need.

• 1:05:10Sean Fennessey?

  I wanna have creatine in every, in every drink.

• 1:05:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you want the girl creatine?

• 1:05:13Sean Fennessey?

  Do I want the girl creatine?

• 1:05:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, they have special girl creatine.

• 1:05:17Sean Fennessey?

  Let's go back, let's go back to the exact second before you asked me the question. Was there ever a moment when you thought to yourself, he's gonna say yes? He's gonna say, I want girl creatine.

• 1:05:27Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but I thought you might ask some more questions.

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  I will now be making AI slop of Sean being like, yes, mommy, give me girl creatine.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  Nothing makes me appreciate Chase Utley's beauty like girl creatine.

• 1:05:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Chase Utley really was quite handsome. So that's, I mean, I'm sorry. That's just sort of like small player. And like better as he aged, I just, I honestly, when you said it, I Google image just to make sure. But like Chase Utley could get it. Sorry.

• 1:05:57Sean Fennessey?

  Disgusting. The way that he played indicated a real fragile ego, a weak baby. Somebody who had to stomp on defenseless people because he was bullied as a child. What a weak bitch. Fuck him. That's how I really feel.

• 1:06:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:06:10Sean Fennessey?

  All right. Amanda, you're up.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  No, I'm up.

• 1:06:12Amanda Dobbins?

  No, he's up. He didn't pick you.

• 1:06:14Sean Fennessey?

  We're skipping your place. Chase Utley is suspended and you're out.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  And, uh, action horror thriller. I'll take ambulance.

• 1:06:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  Uh, Michael Bay's.

• 1:06:29Amanda Dobbins?

  See, and then there was healing.

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  One crazy day in LA.

• 1:06:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  With Yahya Abdul Mateen and Jake Gyllenhaal as brothers.

• 1:06:37Sean Fennessey?

  I think actually Gyllenhaal's character was inspired by Chase Utley, now that I think about it. Coked out of his mind, robbing people. It's very Hunter Biden.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  Um, as, uh, uh, brothers, right?

• 1:06:50Sean Fennessey?

  They're brothers.

• 1:06:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:51Sean Fennessey?

  Why would they not be brothers?

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  Of course. And they are.

• 1:06:54Sean Fennessey?

  Are you suggesting there is a reason they would not be brothers?

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  And there's the first half of this film, skip right past that. Well, cause they, they don't seem like they would be from the same mother, right? But they're adoptive brothers.

• 1:07:04Sean Fennessey?

  Why?

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  Cause one is black and one is white.

• 1:07:07Sean Fennessey?

  Got it. Okay. I guess that's how it works.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  Uh, the first half of this movie is basically like Michael Bay being like, I want to make heat.

• 1:07:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  And then the second half of this movie is a, one of the best Chase movies that you will see this century.

• 1:07:23Sean Fennessey?

  Some of the greatest work with defibrillators you'll ever see in a film.

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  It's so fucking good. I can't remember how it ends specifically, like where it, like what happens at the end.

• 1:07:32Sean Fennessey?

  Everyone survives and everyone is not in jail.

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  Just like, we're actually, we are blood brothers now.

• 1:07:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 1:07:38Sean Fennessey?

  Andrew Arhona doing stuff.

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  This movie is.

• 1:07:40Sean Fennessey?

  No, I use a Gonzalez.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  I use a Gonzalez. Yeah.

• 1:07:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm not even laughing at you. Keep going. I was just thinking about a seed into my blockbuster.

• 1:07:53Sean Fennessey?

  Does she know we're doing a pod?

• 1:07:54Speaker 01

  She got her camera?

• 1:07:55Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Keep going.

• 1:07:58Sean Fennessey?

  Can we do like a, like a full time Amanda cam? But then don't pu- publish it on Amanda's YouTube channel.

• 1:08:05Speaker 01

  Were you just fucking like?

• 1:08:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Sorry. Yeah.

• 1:08:11Sean Fennessey?

  Did you choose your blockbuster?

• 1:08:12Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I just, I was thinking.

• 1:08:14Sean Fennessey?

  It's the blockbuster you're going to choose.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  You're laughing about something that's about to happen in the future?

• 1:08:18Amanda Dobbins?

  You were talking.

• 1:08:21Sean Fennessey?

  But that you all, you've already seen.

• 1:08:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, no, I was just laughing, thinking about a thing. You just, you were talking about ambulance for a long time. So I was just trying to multitask and then I sort of.

• 1:08:31Sean Fennessey?

  What scene could possibly have happened in Black Adam that made you so happy?

• 1:08:34Speaker 01

  Seriously.

• 1:08:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, and then, and then I just, and then I lost it. But I know that ambulance meant a lot to you guys. I listened to you talk about it for like 90 minutes.

• 1:08:44Sean Fennessey?

  Wasn't the highest rated episode of the show.

• 1:08:48Speaker 01

  Ambulance is my action horror thriller. And then my sequel.

• 1:08:55Speaker 01

  May I take Confess Fletch?

• 1:08:58Sean Fennessey?

  You may.

• 1:08:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  I'll take that. Greg Mottola's riff on, you know, a movie, a franchise that has long been promised to get rebooted at some point. Chevy Chase did an iconic turn as, as a Fletch character, a journalist come detective in Los Angeles. And, you know, I think several actors have circled the idea of reviving it over the years. I think Kevin Smith was involved at some point. But they finally settled on Greg Mottola, who's one of like the most accomplished, undersung directors out there. And he made this with Jon Hamm, taking on the Fletch role. And it's just like a really, really charming comedy mystery that I loved. It was, I think, kind of street streaming.

• 1:09:38Sean Fennessey?

  Paramount Plus.

• 1:09:39Speaker 01

  Uh, and it just went really overlooked. But if anybody, you know, is listening to these pods, it was like, I'm looking for something I didn't see. I think Confess Fletch is awesome.

• 1:09:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I do think that was the other half of the Barbarian episode.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  It might've been.

• 1:09:52Sean Fennessey?

  That discussion?

• 1:09:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:09:53Sean Fennessey?

  I can't recall.

• 1:09:54Amanda Dobbins?

  It was.

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  Confess Fletch?

• 1:09:55Sean Fennessey?

  I do. Quite a bit. Um, I would love similarly to just have three or four more of these with Jon Hamm, um, as Fletch.

• 1:10:03Sean Fennessey?

  I also would have liked to have seen it in a movie theater.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:10:06Sean Fennessey?

  Definitely watched it at home. It didn't quite feel the same.

• 1:10:10Sean Fennessey?

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• 1:11:03Sean Fennessey?

  So I have a pick.

• 1:11:05Sean Fennessey?

  We've got Sequel and Wild Card left.

• 1:11:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:11:12Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting, interesting situation here. In Sequel, I will take Prey.

• 1:11:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:11:19Sean Fennessey?

  I'm quite stunned that Chris did not take Prey.

• 1:11:22Speaker 01

  I like Prey a lot.

• 1:11:23Sean Fennessey?

  But as we learned.

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  Not as much as Predators.

• 1:11:25Sean Fennessey?

  In 35 years, after you've logged.

• 1:11:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:29Sean Fennessey?

  Predators.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:30Sean Fennessey?

  Several more times.

• 1:11:31Speaker 01

  I think I had Prey four.

• 1:11:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Predator 2.

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:34Sean Fennessey?

  You would watch more times than the rest of your life.

• 1:11:36Speaker 01

  I like Prey. I don't know if Prey is a rewatchable film for me. I like Prey a lot.

• 1:11:41Sean Fennessey?

  Because it centers a woman in the story?

• 1:11:42Speaker 01

  No, because it's largely silent and it's like, I love to have the chatter.

• 1:11:46Sean Fennessey?

  I see. This is, so no foreign films and no silent films. Just want to be clear about this.

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:54Sean Fennessey?

  And no pants when you're recording podcasts.

• 1:11:58Speaker 01

  Just to chase that new jersey.

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  Prey.

• 1:12:06Sean Fennessey?

  Dan Trachtenberg's first crack at the Predator franchise. He's made two subsequent films, including the most recent Predator: Badlands. Which, why were we just talking about Predator: Badlands? Oh, Charli XCX watched it.

• 1:12:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah, sure, yeah.

• 1:12:18Sean Fennessey?

  Didn't leave any note on it. No heart. Didn't put any stars on it.

• 1:12:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:22Sean Fennessey?

  You think she got it? You think she was into it?

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  I think, honestly, she probably had a similar reaction to us. Glad I saw that.

• 1:12:27Sean Fennessey?

  You see Predator: Badlands?

• 1:12:28Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but I, again, listened to your podcast.

• 1:12:30Speaker 01

  You would enjoy it.

• 1:12:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And you were like, I'm really glad I get to go to the theater. I really only listened and watched movies like this. I really only experienced the Predator films through you podcasting about them and/or acting them out for me.

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  Does it sound like something you're interested in?

• 1:12:48Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that everyone should have access to your live reenactment of Predator. I think that the next one they do, you should be hired as the TikTok correspondent. And you just, and then this. And then a guy comes this way. They're really good.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  There are no guys in the most recent Predator: Badlands.

• 1:13:07Sean Fennessey?

  That's right. Well.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  There's no dudes.

• 1:13:11Sean Fennessey?

  But the Yaucha is a male.

• 1:13:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, but there's no, just like, there's no Boyd Holbrook. You know, there's no guy who's just like, I'm walking across the screen, Straight Talk Express.

• 1:13:22Sean Fennessey?

  Just, I'm gonna underline this again. Predators, which features several men, Chris loves.

• 1:13:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:13:29Sean Fennessey?

  Badlands and Prey, which features primarily female characters.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  What's your Predator ranking?

• 1:13:35Sean Fennessey?

  I believe I did it on the pod.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, but like, what, like, did you just stand by it?

• 1:13:38Sean Fennessey?

  It's Prey.

• 1:13:39Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:13:39Sean Fennessey?

  And then nothing else.

• 1:13:42Sean Fennessey?

  It's the only one I've seen and the only one I like.

• 1:13:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:13:44Sean Fennessey?

  No, Predator 1.

• 1:13:47Sean Fennessey?

  Strong case for Prey 2. Strong case.

• 1:13:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:13:50Sean Fennessey?

  From a pure filmmaking perspective.

• 1:13:54Sean Fennessey?

  Has nothing to do with my gender politics.

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, your allyship.

• 1:14:01Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not sure. I'd have to think about it. Predator 2 is probably number 2.

• 1:14:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:14:05Sean Fennessey?

  Prey is probably 3.

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  Okay, so Predator's 4 for you.

• 1:14:08Sean Fennessey?

  Predator's 4. Predator Badlands 5.

• 1:14:11Speaker 01

  We just did this podcast. I can't believe we're doing it again.

• 1:14:14Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think that's right. I think Prey is really good. Is it a sequel?

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  Prey is chronologically a prequel.

• 1:14:23Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:14:23Speaker 01

  But I will accept it as part of a franchise, just because you were so benevolent to let me have Confess Fletch, which is just a reboot.

• 1:14:31Sean Fennessey?

  Good point. I hadn't thought of that.

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:34Sean Fennessey?

  All right, you're up, Amanda.

• 1:14:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I am.

• 1:14:36Sean Fennessey?

  You have 2 picks. Your final 2 picks?

• 1:14:37Amanda Dobbins?

  My last 2 picks?

• 1:14:38Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:14:39Amanda Dobbins?

  I have Blockbuster and Wildcard yet left.

• 1:14:45Amanda Dobbins?

  In Blockbuster. It's, as Chris identified, it's not a great list. And I saw more of this slop than you would think for someone who was out for 6 months this year. But I don't want to pick most of it. Even some of the quote-unquote "original" stuff, such as The Lost City and Bullet Train, which are sliding in under the wire. So I will instead take the film that made me crack up just now, remembering a scene in it that I was gonna try to explain to Chris, which is, of course, Minions: The Rising Crew.

• 1:15:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Which I saw by myself.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  You know, it kind of just feels like, did you... Do you almost feel like you should take back Tar because if that's what she's gonna do with it?

• 1:15:32Sean Fennessey?

  That was the exact thought I had in my head. It's like, you would blaspheme Tar's reputation.

• 1:15:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, so, listen. I was originally, if I had first pick, I was gonna do Top Gun Maverick and Blockbuster, but someone made that impossible. So now I need to tell you. So do you know about the minions? Okay, so...

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  I know they're yellow.

• 1:15:49Amanda Dobbins?

  So, yeah, so there's this guy...

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  And they loom over the valley.

• 1:15:52Amanda Dobbins?

  There's this guy, Gru, and he wants to be a villain. And so he has all of these minions who are like, you know, they're his minions and they like help him, but they are...

• 1:16:04Amanda Dobbins?

  They're instead like the Three Stooges, they're like the 85,000 Stooges. They multiply and they're just like stupid and funny.

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:16:10Amanda Dobbins?

  And there's a lot of-

• 1:16:12Sean Fennessey?

  It's like sitting with David Bordwell explaining the theory of film.

• 1:16:14Amanda Dobbins?

  So they keep, you know, they get stuck in vending machines and stuff.

• 1:16:20Speaker 01

  I've actually seen that scene.

• 1:16:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's good when you can't, and they, and they just always like sprout new hair. You know, there's always a new one. There's a lot of renovation anyway. But what made me laugh was I saw this movie by myself at my childhood theater, Phipps Plaza in Atlanta, Georgia, because I was home visiting my parents. And I was able to secure some babysitting at 11 a.m. And I went-

• 1:16:40Speaker 01

  What was Zach doing?

• 1:16:41Amanda Dobbins?

  He was golfing with you, you jackass. So now you have to hear about-

• 1:16:54Amanda Dobbins?

  So the minions, there are like three main minions. One of them's named Bob. I don't remember the other two, but like more minions show up. And at the end, I guess he makes it into the-

• 1:17:03Speaker 01

  What made you laugh?

• 1:17:07Sean Fennessey?

  Spent more time on Minions: The Rise of Gru than Tar.

• 1:17:12Amanda Dobbins?

  There's a Minions choir that shows up from nowhere and they just start singing. Like the choral part of, uh, You Can't Always Get What You Want.

• 1:17:23Amanda Dobbins?

  And they're all singing like this.

• 1:17:29Amanda Dobbins?

  And it makes me laugh.

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  She also did Pearl.

• 1:17:33Sean Fennessey?

  It's really funny.

• 1:17:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I told you it's a weird year. There are two movies I wanted.

• 1:17:40Amanda Dobbins?

  There's gonna be a new Minions movie the next year that I'm gonna take Knox to. Uh, okay, Minions: The Rise of Gru is my blockbuster. It made a lot of money. Remember when all the children were wearing their suits?

• 1:17:49Speaker 01

  Gentle minions.

• 1:17:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And then, were you a gentle minion, John?

• 1:17:53Speaker 03

  I was not a gentle minion. I think I aged out just a little bit.

• 1:17:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:17:56Sean Fennessey?

  That's good.

• 1:17:57Amanda Dobbins?

  And then I have a lot of like serious movies that I could take in wildcard. But I don't really think I'm in that headspace right now, so I'm in it.

• 1:18:06Sean Fennessey?

  Surprised to learn that.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  What would be the hardest fucking left turn?

• 1:18:12Sean Fennessey?

  Armageddon time.

• 1:18:13Amanda Dobbins?

  You'd, I'd saw it on my list, but I'm not.

• 1:18:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. After Sun.

• 1:18:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  That would be all time. If a man did like an eight-minute Minions recap and then was like, "After Sun, wildcard, think about that."

• 1:18:30Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:18:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm, I'm picking the movie that I've thought about the third most in 2022, after Tar and Top Gun Maverick, which is, I swear to you, Jennifer Lopez Halftime. Because here's the thing, here's what happens with Jennifer. Yes, it's a documentary that was released in 2022.

• 1:18:50Sean Fennessey?

  Jennifer Lopez Halftime?

• 1:18:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, and this is the.

• 1:18:53Sean Fennessey?

  That's the name of the movie?

• 1:18:54Amanda Dobbins?

  And this is the one where she's nominated for a Golden Globe for Hustlers, but not.

• 1:19:00Sean Fennessey?

  It's just halftime.

• 1:19:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay. Well, okay. Halftime, right? Because she's also doing the Super Bowl halftime show.

• 1:19:06Sean Fennessey?

  Did you watch this?

• 1:19:06Amanda Dobbins?

  But.

• 1:19:07Sean Fennessey?

  I'm pretty sure I did. I'm gonna look it up on my mailbox.

• 1:19:10Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, she does the halftime show with Shakira and, you know, there's some, there's some feedback from people and they do a good job. But.

• 1:19:17Sean Fennessey?

  I did. Two and a half stars.

• 1:19:19Amanda Dobbins?

  She's nominated for a Golden Globe for Hustlers for this. And she doesn't win, and the cameras are with her backstage as she doesn't win the Golden Globe. And it's like, the most defeated, disappointed, like, I can't believe, like, I let you guys all down for a fucking Golden Globe.

• 1:19:39Sean Fennessey?

  To whom?

• 1:19:40Amanda Dobbins?

  To her team, to the camera. Like, she thought this was gonna be her moment and she took it so seriously.

• 1:19:46Sean Fennessey?

  Who did she lose to that year?

• 1:19:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, she wasn't even nominated ultimately for an Oscar. I don't remember. So this would have been.

• 1:19:54Sean Fennessey?

  Who did she lose to?

• 1:19:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Musical.

• 1:19:55Sean Fennessey?

  That's probably Michelle Yeoh, right?

• 1:19:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, musical comedy, I think, at the Golden Globe.

• 1:19:58Sean Fennessey?

  For everything of her role once.

• 1:20:00Amanda Dobbins?

  And then she didn't even get an Oscar nomination. But every time we talk about.

• 1:20:05Sean Fennessey?

  I can't believe I gave you Tar. This is outrageous.

• 1:20:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Every time we talk about award season.

• 1:20:09Sean Fennessey?

  Halftime.

• 1:20:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I like, and you and I are very glib and we're like, we think these people, you know, it's a machine, like, it's all made up, blah, blah, blah. And there's this woman having a breakdown because she didn't win a Golden Globe. I think it's fascinating. I think that, I can't believe she allowed it to be filmed. I think that everyone should watch this as an example not to behave after the Golden Globes and also not to take the Golden Globe seriously.

• 1:20:32Sean Fennessey?

  My advice would be, don't have a camera follow you around if you're nominated for a Golden Globe. Food for thought.

• 1:20:38Amanda Dobbins?

  But she did. And then she let another camera follow her around while she was married to Ben Affleck, and that was also wonderful. She's an important documentary subject to me.

• 1:20:50Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I have a wild card pick.

• 1:20:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 1:20:55Speaker 01

  How can you, how can you match that? I can't believe you also logged halftime. I was hoping that maybe you were gonna pick a wild card that he hadn't seen.

• 1:21:03Sean Fennessey?

  I saw all 309 films released in 2022. You know, just something that I do. Uh, it was on Netflix, right?

• 1:21:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:13Sean Fennessey?

  I'm gonna take Everything Everywhere All at Once and Wild Card. So here's the thing.

• 1:21:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Were you going to? Yeah.

• 1:21:18Sean Fennessey?

  Here's the thing.

• 1:21:19Amanda Dobbins?

  All right, that's fine.

• 1:21:20Sean Fennessey?

  Revisionist history. I like that movie and I always did.

• 1:21:24Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:21:24Sean Fennessey?

  The pod that we did on it, I think I did it with Joanna. You were still on leave when the movie came out.

• 1:21:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, well, it was March. I had just started.

• 1:21:30Sean Fennessey?

  And the movie went through the spin cycle in the same way. We were just had a conversation on the last episode about Green Book. Where it was like, Green Book came out and we were like, this is kind of funny. This is like fun and a crowd pleaser. You know, it's like a Farrelly Brothers.

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  Put into the like.

• 1:21:42Sean Fennessey?

  Then it went into the spin cycle of like, that movie was more problematic, I would say, than Everything Everywhere All at Once, like the origins of how it was made and who made it.

• 1:21:51Sean Fennessey?

  But this is the same thing where this movie like probably, I'm not, I would not have chosen it for Best Picture that year. I, it's still kind of fascinating that it became.

• 1:21:58Speaker 01

  It's really strange.

• 1:21:59Sean Fennessey?

  This like centerpiece of awards conversation and everybody just got behind it. You know, Jamie Lee Curtis won in addition to Michelle Yeoh. And the whole thing was just very strange and it was like a fun moment in the moment, but it didn't, I think it hurt the movie's reputation weirdly. But I really liked the movie as a genre mashup and as like a pretty sincere portrait of like an immigrant family and how the, like the generation gap between people and how they can't communicate with each other. And it has a lot of fucking kung fu in it. And that's all stuff I like, so I'm not gonna shy away. I'm gonna take a movie that I like in this space.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  I think that's okay. And it's a useful note to remember that, you know, these movies live on beyond their awards campaigns.

• 1:22:41Sean Fennessey?

  They do.

• 1:22:41Speaker 01

  They should be, they should be viewed as their own pieces of art, not part of like a.

• 1:22:45Sean Fennessey?

  Mania is the Rise of Gru, out of the spin cycle, the take cycle, we can see it clearly as a special film.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  There were a bunch of small films from, uh, 2022 that I would highlight or that I would think about taking for my wild card. I'm gonna pick Emily the Criminal.

• 1:23:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:01Speaker 01

  Which is a very cool John Patton Ford movie. He's got, he's the director of this upcoming Glenn, Glenn Powell movie.

• 1:23:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:23:09Speaker 01

  Which is called, it was called Huntington, what's it called now?

• 1:23:12Sean Fennessey?

  It is How to Rob.

• 1:23:17Sean Fennessey?

  What?

• 1:23:18Amanda Dobbins?

  How to Make a Killing.

• 1:23:18Sean Fennessey?

  How to Make a Killing. Thank you.

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  John Patton.

• 1:23:20Sean Fennessey?

  How to Rob is a great song by 50 Cent.

• 1:23:22Speaker 01

  That's right. Is a film with Aubrey Plaza and a really, really cool turn by Theo Rossi.

• 1:23:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, he's so good.

• 1:23:29Speaker 01

  In this film. It's just a really good contemporary crime movie about the slippery slope someone can find themselves on when they're in debt and they're looking for answers and they're running out of they're running out of moves and it's about Aubrey Plaza's character, the titular Emily becomes basically a petty thief fraudster and rather than shying away from that lifestyle, continues to embrace it and embrace it. Kind of has like a little bit of a vibe. I'm not saying it's the same thing, but a little bit of a vibe of like 70s movies like Straight Time, where it's just like a very, very cool character portrait.

• 1:24:07Speaker 01

  And Plaza gives like a really great, probably at that point, uncharacteristic for her kind of role and a really great performance. And this is a movie that I've strangely gone back to and not strangely, I have gone back to. And I think is one of the better crime films of the decade.

• 1:24:24Sean Fennessey?

  Great pick.

• 1:24:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, really. It was also on my wildcard list, but you know, I thought the Minions Rise of Gru too.

• 1:24:30Sean Fennessey?

  More important.

• 1:24:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, Emily the Criminal segue.

• 1:24:33Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, okay. Let's recap. I'll go first.

• 1:24:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 1:24:38Sean Fennessey?

  In drama, I selected Babylon. In action horror thriller Barbarian. In Oscar nominee Avatar, The Way of Water. In sequel Prey. In blockbuster Nope. In wildcard, Everything Everywhere All at Once. Amanda?

• 1:24:50Amanda Dobbins?

  In drama, I have The Fableman's. In action horror thriller Pearl. In Oscar nominee Tar. Thank you, Sean Pennisi. In sequel, I have Down in Abbey, A New Era, blockbuster Minions, The Rise of Gru, and wildcard Jennifer Lopez, Halftime.

• 1:25:04Speaker 01

  I love your recap voice.

• 1:25:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you so much.

• 1:25:06Speaker 01

  Kind of reminds me of the voice message in Pluribus, like where it's like, hello Carol.

• 1:25:12Speaker 01

  In drama, I took Banshees of Inisherin. In action horror thriller, I took Ambulance. In Oscar nominee, I took Top Gun Maverick. In sequel, I took Confess Fletch. In blockbuster, I took The Batman. And in wildcard, I took Emily the Criminal.

• 1:25:28Sean Fennessey?

  That's it. Last draft of the year. Last CR appearance of the year.

• 1:25:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:25:35Sean Fennessey?

  What else? Last what? Last appearance period?

• 1:25:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm moving on.

• 1:25:42Sean Fennessey?

  Where are you moving?

• 1:25:42Speaker 01

  To Sora. Digitizing myself so I can podcast with some of my idols.

• 1:25:49Sean Fennessey?

  Who among them?

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  Like Benjamin Franklin and...

• 1:25:52Sean Fennessey?

  Slave owner.

• 1:25:57Sean Fennessey?

  Will you be moving on or are you sticking around?

• 1:26:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I've committed to at least five more episodes of this podcast this year. How many are left at this point? Jack, what's the count? I know how many.

• 1:26:09Sean Fennessey?

  I know exactly how many. It's six.

• 1:26:11Amanda Dobbins?

  It's six.

• 1:26:11Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:26:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Six left to record.

• 1:26:13Sean Fennessey?

  And Monday, next Monday.

• 1:26:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and next week. Okay, six more episodes. We just have to hold it together till then.

• 1:26:20Sean Fennessey?

  Friday's episode is about Avatar Fire and Ash. It's gonna be seven hours long.

• 1:26:25Speaker 01

  When are you doing Ellen McKay and Is This Thing On?

• 1:26:27Sean Fennessey?

  We'll be recording that on Friday.

• 1:26:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:31Sean Fennessey?

  Where will you be?

• 1:26:32Speaker 01

  Hanging out with Bradley Cooper at Moornet.

• 1:26:34Sean Fennessey?

  You're welcome to join us if you want.

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  Maybe getting a tight 15 up at the cellar, you know? Thinking about my wife.

• 1:26:40Sean Fennessey?

  Well...

• 1:26:43Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, that pod records at 11:30 a.m. on Friday.

• 1:26:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, let us know.

• 1:26:46Sean Fennessey?

  Give it some thought.

• 1:26:47Speaker 01

  I will. I will.

• 1:26:49Sean Fennessey?

  Thanks to Jack Sanders for his last in-person recording of 2025. It's been a hell of a year.

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  Indeed, it has.

• 1:26:56Sean Fennessey?

  How do you feel?

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  I feel great. Never better.

• 1:26:59Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, you don't believe that.

• 1:27:00Amanda Dobbins?

  That's the positivity we're looking for.

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  Who's gonna step in for Jack?

• 1:27:04Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, no, and just I'll be engineering while recording on my hands. No, that's not true. We have a crack team here at The Ringer of people who will be filling in. Any final thoughts, Amanda?

• 1:27:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you to the Minions and the Rolling Stones and to Sean and Chris.

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  And to me, a Goth.

• 1:27:23Sean Fennessey?

  See you next time.