The 1989 Movie Draft

We’re drafting again! Before diving into the draft, Sean, Amanda, and Chris react to two recent pieces of news with Disney reportedly turning down Steven Soderbergh’s ‘The Hunt for Ben Solo’ (1:05), and Taylor Sheridan leaving Paramount (9:25). Then, they discuss who they were in 1989 (17:33) and draft the best movies from that year (29:44). Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Sean Fennessey?

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• 1:21Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Sean Fennessey.

• 1:21Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm Amanda Dobbins.

• 1:22Sean Fennessey?

  And this is the Big Picture Conversation Show about 1989. Of course, we're podding today about the Taylor Swift album and Chris Ryan is here to do so. Are you excited?

• 1:30Speaker 01

  Are we out of the woods?

• 1:31Sean Fennessey?

  Is that song on that album?

• 1:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Have you listened to that album in full?

• 1:35Sean Fennessey?

  I think so, yeah. I think just ambiently. I've been exposed to it.

• 1:40Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I remember that, but you know, he was, he was well into his, like, I don't acknowledge Taylor Swift take at this point in the, in the journey.

• 1:48Sean Fennessey?

  Well into it, absolutely.

• 1:49Amanda Dobbins?

  So I just didn't know whether you circled back.

• 1:51Sean Fennessey?

  Stock's been paying out hard this year.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  I was wondering if you catch that ticket yet.

• 1:55Sean Fennessey?

  Sitting on a lot of dough off that Taylor Swift short sell. We're actually talking about 1989 movies this year. We're drafting again, which is very exciting, but you know, we're pre-recording this episode and there's been a lot of news over the last couple of weeks and we, the three of us haven't been together and had the opportunity to talk.

• 2:11Speaker 01

  The big three.

• 2:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:12Sean Fennessey?

  The big three. Yeah, the big three. And we never talked about the hunt for Ben Solow. And I, there's two people, I couldn't find two people I would want to talk to more about this news.

• 2:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you so much, yeah.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  Sex lies in the solo.

• 2:27Sean Fennessey?

  This was the news that Steven Soderbergh and Adam Driver came together to develop and pitch a movie about what happened to Ben Solo.

• 2:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:37Sean Fennessey?

  After.

• 2:38Speaker 03

  He died.

• 2:39Sean Fennessey?

  He died.

• 2:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:39Sean Fennessey?

  In the last Star Wars film. And.

• 2:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's not what the movie, that's not what the pitch was about.

• 2:44Sean Fennessey?

  I think it was that he somehow survived.

• 2:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it wasn't about like Ben Solo's journey through the afterworld, you know?

• 2:50Sean Fennessey?

  That is also, what dreams may come, but Ben Solo, that would be a movie.

• 2:54Speaker 03

  No, it would be like the Nick Cave version of Gladiator 2.

• 2:57Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, oh, wow.

• 2:58Speaker 03

  Maximus in hell.

• 2:59Sean Fennessey?

  Solo goes to hell.

• 3:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:00Sean Fennessey?

  That would also be really fun. Um, so Soderbergh and Driver, they get this pitch together. Obviously, very exciting, the idea of them working together again. They worked together on Logan Lucky. And it goes up the chain.

• 3:13Speaker 03

  And Scott Z. Burns like writes it.

• 3:14Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, so Scott Z. Burns is in, he's of course worked with Soderbergh many times before, and Contagion especially. And they pitch it to Filoni and Kathy Kennedy, and they're like, sure.

• 3:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:25Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe. And so they kick it up to Bob Iger's office. And Bob Iger looks them in the eyes and says, no, no chance. And then that's it.

• 3:35Amanda Dobbins?

  But, and but why? What is his reasoning?

• 3:38Sean Fennessey?

  What is his reasoning?

• 3:39Amanda Dobbins?

  His reasoning is because Kylo, like Kylo Ren, whatever his other name is, I already forgot, is dead.

• 3:45Speaker 03

  Yes, somebody took the focus group note about you can't say somehow Palpatine has returned.

• 3:51Amanda Dobbins?

  But that's, that was literally my, I was so ashamed of myself and also like, yes, and like, it's so angry at you and this world that my first reaction to this, I was like, but Palpatine was dead?

• 4:03Sean Fennessey?

  Somehow.

• 4:04Amanda Dobbins?

  And I was like, what are we doing?

• 4:05Sean Fennessey?

  Ben Solo returned.

• 4:06Speaker 03

  I have to tell you something.

• 4:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 4:08Speaker 03

  If you ever decide.

• 4:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 4:10Speaker 03

  To pivot to being Star Wars mommy, you're fucking unstoppable. There's nothing he and I can do. If you're just like, you know what, guys?

• 4:18Sean Fennessey?

  I'm going all the way in.

• 4:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've read the Book of Boba Fett.

• 4:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 4:22Speaker 03

  And I've become a believer. We're done. We're done. We can't stop.

• 4:25Amanda Dobbins?

  It's true.

• 4:25Sean Fennessey?

  That's, that's very true. So, sincerely.

• 4:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 4:29Sean Fennessey?

  Would you want this movie?

• 4:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes. I don't care. Sure. Like, do I want it more than many other That's, that's movies that, well, no, no, no, no.

• 4:39Sean Fennessey?

  That's the, that's the, that's the take to me.

• 4:41Amanda Dobbins?

  But you're, you're taking my take before I've said it and twisted it.

• 4:46Sean Fennessey?

  What did I, how did I twist it?

• 4:47Amanda Dobbins?

  We're, we're gonna talk about some other movies

• 4:50Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 4:50Amanda Dobbins?

  that are being made, that are adapted from franchises that are supposed to be, you know, for large audiences. And I don't give a shit. I like, I don't even want to talk about Call of Duty. You know, like, I don't care. So let's not make that. If we're gonna make big budget movies, if we're gonna use people's time, if we have to chase the money, give it to me with Steven Soderbergh and Adam Driver.

• 5:12Sean Fennessey?

  Well, that, that is, that's my take is that it's replacing, at least in theory, one to one, another Star Wars movie. So that you can only do so many Star Wars movies at a time, and there still has not been one. It's been six years since there's been a Star Wars movie?

• 5:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 5:25Sean Fennessey?

  Which is just malpractice. I mean, it's just completely ludicrous that there have been ten Star Wars shows

• 5:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 5:30Sean Fennessey?

  in six years?

• 5:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Time out, time out. I mean, that, the two separate problems here because I've, I still remember the end of 2019. Yeah. We were in your guest room Yes. in Palm Springs before you arrived, the orange room in the back by the garage. Baptizing it. Yeah. Recording a podcast.

• 5:52Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 5:52Amanda Dobbins?

  And you just absolutely, you had a classic Sean meltdown about Rise of Skywalker and how it's not good, which it was not.

• 6:00Sean Fennessey?

  I had a really good pod performance, is what you meant to say.

• 6:03Amanda Dobbins?

  And, and a lot of the complaints were like, we have too much Star Wars, we have too many movies. They've, you know, they don't have ideas. They've, you know, that, like, they've squeezed the orange too much or whatever. I don't know. What are you squeezing?

• 6:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 6:21Amanda Dobbins?

  They squeezed the orange and, and, and it's done now. And

• 6:26Sean Fennessey?

  That is, that wasn't my complaint, but sure.

• 6:28Amanda Dobbins?

  You can't turn around.

• 6:29Sean Fennessey?

  If you go back and listen to that episode, it was not, there were, are too many Star Wars movies. It was that, why did we bring back J.J. Abrams to make another Star Wars movie? And then commit all these sins in this Star Wars movie? Now, I- It was a good time to take a break.

• 6:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Including, and we should all be honest, Palpatine is alive again.

• 6:45Sean Fennessey?

  That was terrible.

• 6:46Amanda Dobbins?

  We were all, even I.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  Apoplectic.

• 6:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I was like, wait, what?

• 6:50Speaker 03

  Look, if you say Steven Soderbergh is gonna direct it, I'm like, I'm gonna hear him out. I'm just gonna hear him out. Now, I will say, I can't, has it been reported when they pitched this?

• 6:58Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know. It sounds like in the last 12 months, because there is that history of him in his culture diary, where he had like a 20 day stretch where he watched nine Star Wars movies.

• 7:10Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 7:11Sean Fennessey?

  Including, I think, Empire and a New Hope, like, three times, because he was trying to get back to, you know, he watched Phantom Menace, and everybody was like, why the fuck did Steven Soderbergh just watch The Phantom Menace?

• 7:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 7:22Speaker 03

  Because I was gonna say, I can kind of see it from Bob Iger's perspective. Where he's just like, you know what? This ended so badly, and you know what? We've abandoned the center in this country. No, I can see it from his perspective, where he's just like, I'm done with this. I'm done with the Rey Kylo, it ended badly.

• 7:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 7:44Speaker 03

  Those movies reportedly cost way more than.

• 7:48Amanda Dobbins?

  I was so mad. I was so mad about that.

• 7:50Sean Fennessey?

  That they kissed?

• 7:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 7:52Speaker 03

  Because you don't want that. Star Wars, mom, look at all these listens you have.

• 7:56Amanda Dobbins?

  But it really was. You're gonna, you know, roll out, like, oh, the new character that you're all supposed to care about is like a girl, and yay, like, you know, it was like CEO heaven, and then at the end, she just has to be like a love interest. No, come on, come on.

• 8:10Sean Fennessey?

  I will say, when I was at Disneyland earlier this year, my daughter met a young woman who was portraying Rey.

• 8:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 8:17Sean Fennessey?

  At Galaxy's Edge, and it's probably the happiest that Alice ever was in her entire life.

• 8:21Amanda Dobbins?

  But so we don't need.

• 8:22Sean Fennessey?

  There's a picture of it that it melts my heart.

• 8:24Amanda Dobbins?

  That, I have seen the picture. You also sent us the moving version, which was very cute. So we have multiple records of it. It's wonderful.

• 8:31Sean Fennessey?

  Rey is very, is in the Hall of Fame.

• 8:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm not dissing Rey. I'm dissing that we are teaching Alice, at the end, it's not enough to conquer the world. You also have to, like, kiss and make up with the villain. Thumbs down, okay?

• 8:45Sean Fennessey?

  Well.

• 8:45Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 8:46Sean Fennessey?

  To me.

• 8:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I want Alice to go thrive.

• 8:47Sean Fennessey?

  More of an epic romance, you know? A story of longing over a trilogy.

• 8:52Speaker 03

  What I want is the Scott Burns script to leak. I don't know if it was completed, you know, or whatever, but that is.

• 8:59Sean Fennessey?

  That would be cool.

• 8:59Speaker 03

  Please get that out there.

• 9:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I think it's mostly because there have been so many TV shows is why I'm stamping my feet.

• 9:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it was your choice to watch them.

• 9:10Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I stopped. I mean, I stopped two or three years ago. I'm not, I'm just not really paying, I'm not engaged at all in that world right now.

• 9:17Speaker 03

  You didn't watch Andor even.

• 9:17Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't, I still haven't even seen Andor season two.

• 9:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I haven't caught up either. Zach watched Without Me.

• 9:21Sean Fennessey?

  It's like, it's like something got unplugged in my body.

• 9:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 9:24Sean Fennessey?

  You know what I mean? Like, I've just kind of lost a connection to something that was incredibly important to me for a very long time. And it's, I think it's in part because they just overloaded on that stuff.

• 9:33Speaker 03

  Do you plan on catching up before Mandalorian and Grogu comes out? Or are you just going to that kind of like?

• 9:38Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think I have to?

• 9:40Speaker 03

  I don't.

• 9:40Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, I do want to watch Andor. It's not that I don't want to watch it. It's more just that the idea of like, finding that focus time over a long period of time is just becoming increasingly harder in my life. But if it's not connected, it will probably delay the time in which I can get to it. And I'm sure most of what I see instead of watching Andor will be much worse than whatever Andor is.

• 9:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I don't think you're like, I couldn't possibly waste my time on like TV.

• 10:02Sean Fennessey?

  It's definitely not that. I'm, I'm watching The Chair Company.

• 10:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, sure. Yeah, no, I'm, listen, I haven't even finished Diplomat, then I gotta do Nobody Wants This.

• 10:11Speaker 03

  That I think you'll like is Down Cemetery Road.

• 10:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I have literally no idea what that is.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  It's Emma Thompson and Ruth Wilson.

• 10:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, sick.

• 10:18Speaker 03

  Mystery in Oxford, Emma Thompson, it's a Mick Heron's other detective series.

• 10:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh my gosh, this is so exciting. I'm learning about this in real time.

• 10:26Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, you'll fucking love this.

• 10:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I mean, we gotta, I mean, we gotta stop watching movies then, you know? Because like, it's really piling up for me.

• 10:33Sean Fennessey?

  It is piling up for me as well.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:36Sean Fennessey?

  Speaking of writer, directors and returning to movies.

• 10:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Chris Ryan is here.

• 10:41Sean Fennessey?

  Well, Taylor Sheridan's been in the news over the last week.

• 10:44Speaker 03

  Commented on this.

• 10:45Amanda Dobbins?

  And so you have as well.

• 10:48Sean Fennessey?

  That's right. Well, everyone thought of you when this news broke. When Matt Bellamy broke this news, that Taylor Sheridan was leaving Paramount to sign an overall deal that starts, I think, I guess, next year on the film side at Peacock Universal and then in 2028 on the television side.

• 11:01Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 11:02Sean Fennessey?

  So a fairly complex situation.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  And he also has a Warner Brothers film incoming with Brandon Slidar from 1923. It's called Fast.

• 11:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Is that, was he also the other guy in the Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni?

• 11:16Sean Fennessey?

  He was the other guy. He was also appeared earlier this year in Drop.

• 11:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 11:21Sean Fennessey?

  And he has a big role coming in The Housemaid.

• 11:23Amanda Dobbins?

  That's right. Yeah. Yeah, they're really, they're pushing him.

• 11:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, he's having a moment. He's kind of like the norm core Josh O'Connor. Where it's like, why are there five Josh O'Connor movies right now?

• 11:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:34Sean Fennessey?

  So he's got this Warner Brothers movie. News broke this week as well that the movie that I guess kind of kicked some of this into disrepair was this Call of Duty film.

• 11:44Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 11:45Sean Fennessey?

  That he's been writing and producing for Pete Berg at Paramount. And you said something on the watch that I completely agreed with, which is that Taylor Sheridan, screenwriter, is something I have always liked. And I think three out of his four movie scripts, I think are really good. And the fourth one he directed, and I don't think it's as good.

• 12:04Speaker 03

  For Those Who Wish Me Dead?

• 12:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 12:06Speaker 03

  Pretty good movie.

• 12:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it was fine.

• 12:07Sean Fennessey?

  It's okay.

• 12:07Speaker 03

  And also.

• 12:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen.

• 12:08Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's the least of the others.

• 12:11Speaker 03

  Well, I think it's.

• 12:12Sean Fennessey?

  Hell or High Water, Sicario.

• 12:13Speaker 03

  It's better than Without Remorse.

• 12:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 12:16Sean Fennessey?

  I forgot about Without. He wrote Without Remorse as well. Okay, well, that was.

• 12:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was bad. And he's credited as the screenwriter. Yeah.

• 12:21Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting. That one wasn't very good either. But, you know, he makes a very muscular, masculine, throwbacky kind of film that usually has

• 12:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 12:30Sean Fennessey?

  one interesting theme.

• 12:31Amanda Dobbins?

  And yet when a woman is in it, you don't like it?

• 12:33Sean Fennessey?

  No, I thought Elizabeth Olsen was terrific in Wind River. And Emily Blood was excellent in Sicario. He does, he has a pretty good relationship with female characters. He writes Lionel.

• 12:43Speaker 03

  For sure, yeah. If you've seen Ali Larder in Landman, you know that he really understands the totality of the emotional experience of the American woman.

• 12:53Sean Fennessey?

  I feel like we've been hearing about a Call of Duty movie for 20 years.

• 12:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like the new Halo, basically. Because remember Halo was going to be Peter Jackson, it was going to be all these different versions of it.

• 13:02Sean Fennessey?

  Wasn't there a Spielberg version of Call of Duty Once Upon a Time?

• 13:05Speaker 03

  He got involved in that. I think also there was like, because there's been so many iterations of Call of Duty, and he may have been involved in the one that was the World War II one. I don't know.

• 13:12Sean Fennessey?

  And you've been developing one about January 6th, which is, how's that going?

• 13:16Speaker 03

  Me and Aaron Sorkin are very happy with the results so far.

• 13:20Sean Fennessey?

  Amanda, Call of Duty, have you played it?

• 13:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I was like, was not listening. What's Call of Duty?

• 13:25Sean Fennessey?

  It's a video game?

• 13:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I know that, but like, what's happening? Oh, great. I love it. I love to hear about first-person.

• 13:30Speaker 03

  But you're not gonna hear me out, I'm not gonna tell you.

• 13:33Sean Fennessey?

  It's a war game set in combat.

• 13:35Amanda Dobbins?

  That's awesome. It's definitely what we need more of.

• 13:37Sean Fennessey?

  Is it always in real-life events, set against real-life events?

• 13:40Speaker 03

  I think there's an Aliens one.

• 13:42Sean Fennessey?

  There's an Aliens one.

• 13:43Speaker 03

  Oh, can I tell you something?

• 13:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 13:45Speaker 03

  Can I go off on a tangent? Do you mind?

• 13:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 13:47Speaker 03

  So, last year, I'm going to England, which I'm very excited about. And last year, I took my wife to a theater experience, an immersive theater experience that she really wanted to go to.

• 13:58Sean Fennessey?

  Tell us more.

• 13:59Speaker 03

  That I can't remember the name of it now, but it was essentially like, you have to go into a teenage girl from the 1990s's bedroom and kind of solve a mystery, but like, PJ Harvey and Bjork is playing.

• 14:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, this does sound like Kate or two Phoebe.

• 14:13Speaker 03

  And I was like, I love you, let's do this.

• 14:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's really nice.

• 14:16Speaker 03

  And she was just like, that was so fun. And then I was like, guess what, Phoebe? The same theater group is doing a, you're on a stranded spaceship and aliens are coming for you, play? And she just blanked me. She was like, that sounds like something you could do with Andy? That sounds great. And I was just like, what the fuck? Anyway, I think there is a Call of Duty that has an alien

• 14:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 14:39Speaker 03

  Or so maybe a zombie plot.

• 14:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm, I'm blanking all of you.

• 14:42Speaker 03

  Sanders, do you watch any, do you play any COD?

• 14:44Speaker 04

  Sanders, okay. I played it when I was like 13, but don't really remember a lot about it.

• 14:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I mean, you turned out great.

• 14:52Sean Fennessey?

  I've never played.

• 14:53Amanda Dobbins?

  So it's okay.

• 14:53Sean Fennessey?

  I still have not acquired my console. Or started playing my video games yet. I will do that. Maybe for Christmas. Maybe that will be my gift to myself.

• 15:01Amanda Dobbins?

  No. You don't have time. You have to watch all the movies and then you have the TV.

• 15:05Sean Fennessey?

  What if I double screen and/or while figuring out how to play Elden Ring?

• 15:10Sean Fennessey?

  That would be pretty cool. Then I would really be, and then I can very clearly downshift into weed dad.

• 15:16Speaker 03

  What would you do if in five years, let's say five years, and I show up with an Xbox 8 for Knox?

• 15:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I will not let you in the house.

• 15:23Speaker 03

  And then I'm like, every night, bro, you and me, headsets.

• 15:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I like, and I would just throw it away.

• 15:28Sean Fennessey?

  It's gonna be great because the, here's the way to do it. It's very simple.

• 15:31Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 15:32Sean Fennessey?

  It's not bringing it to the house. It's you invite Knox over to your house and you play it in front of him.

• 15:37Speaker 03

  Really? If he plays in my house?

• 15:38Amanda Dobbins?

  It's just never in our house. Yeah.

• 15:40Sean Fennessey?

  No, this, she doesn't understand. If, if he's exposed to it at your house.

• 15:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 15:43Sean Fennessey?

  He's gonna start asking for it at his house.

• 15:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I'll be saying, and I will say, as I have said thus far, for three and a half years, we don't have that at our house.

• 15:52Sean Fennessey?

  You're, you're making an even bigger mistake right now because you're letting us know that this is where you stand on this issue. And I will break you.

• 15:59Amanda Dobbins?

  That's fine. Like Knox can move in with you. He can live in the garage.

• 16:04Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not offering that.

• 16:05Amanda Dobbins?

  And he can play video games 24/7, not in my house. And I like Knox with a zen. I think he'd be very helpful. Just walk up the stairs in the morning, "Good morning. How'd you sleep?" He's very, he loves.

• 16:18Sean Fennessey?

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep brainstorming on this. You gotta start, you gotta start with like Super Smash Brothers, you know, something.

• 16:23Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 16:24Sean Fennessey?

  Very appealing to a young boy.

• 16:25Speaker 03

  She's not gonna let him have Tetris. Like, we have to do this on our own.

• 16:29Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. We can build it. I'm not worried. I'm not worried.

• 16:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I really thought Zach was with me until the, what was the name of that game we played? The game night?

• 16:37Sean Fennessey?

  At my house?

• 16:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, where you have to rank things and then Zach ranked video games number one.

• 16:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, was it worse to first?

• 16:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I guess you're sleeping on the street tonight.

• 16:47Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he revealed that he did have a PS3 era.

• 16:50Speaker 03

  I got him into FIFA for a while.

• 16:52Amanda Dobbins?

  And he got rid of it when we moved in together.

• 16:55Sean Fennessey?

  It lives inside all men. I just want you to know that.

• 16:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, I don't give a fuck about the Call of Duty movie.

• 16:59Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I, you know.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  Inside of every Taylor Sheridan show, there is a great movie. I'm convinced of this. I've thought about this recently and I thought about like how cool a Billy Bob Thornton Oil Man movie.

• 17:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 17:10Speaker 03

  Or a Nicole Kidman Zoe Saldana.

• 17:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I've seen that. It's called a T-Mobile commercial, but anyway.

• 17:15Speaker 03

  But we're going to talk about a lot of movies from 1989 where like the setup is like, oh, it would just be a TV show now. And I mean, that's a very like kind of pat observation, but he, he kind of got marginalized by like the way the movies pivoted to there's only high concept, big picture stuff.

• 17:31Sean Fennessey?

  It's, I mean, he leveraged it very effectively, but it would be also nice to see him do like a period western. Obviously, he's been making period westerns on Paramount, but he's not been able to make one as a film. Paramount Plus, yeah.

• 17:43Speaker 03

  I would also say.

• 17:44Sean Fennessey?

  Plus, by the way.

• 17:44Speaker 03

  Reportedly, all the episodes that he does make cost as much as mid-budget films. So that was one of those sort of issues of Paramount reportedly.

• 17:53Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting. Well, we wish him well. That guy, he has roughly $900 million, so I think he's gonna be all right.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  He owns, also owns a really nice big ranch in Texas.

• 18:00Sean Fennessey?

  Have you been?

• 18:01Speaker 03

  I haven't.

• 18:01Amanda Dobbins?

  What's it called again?

• 18:03Speaker 03

  The Four Sixes.

• 18:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it open to the public?

• 18:05Speaker 03

  I wonder about that.

• 18:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Is there like a restaurant, you know, near the gatehouse where it can visit?

• 18:10Speaker 03

  There's a Taylor Sheridan branded steakhouse, I'm pretty sure.

• 18:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah. Where are its locations?

• 18:14Speaker 03

  I'll let you do that.

• 18:16Sean Fennessey?

  There should be a horror movie that's about a guy, AKA you, who stalks Taylor Sheridan to the ranch.

• 18:23Speaker 03

  That's probably what his Texas Chainsaw Massacre pitch was.

• 18:25Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, that would be good. One of my many stans.

• 18:28Amanda Dobbins?

  It appears that it's in the win. In Vegas, so.

• 18:33Sean Fennessey?

  That's his, where his steakhouse is?

• 18:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, Four Sixes Ranch Steakhouse.

• 18:36Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible field trip episode of this show.

• 18:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm in. Let's go.

• 18:40Speaker 03

  Next CinemaCon?

• 18:41Sean Fennessey?

  That sounds fantastic.

• 18:42Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 18:43Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I'm into that.

• 18:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 18:44Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, let's go to 1989. 1989. I was seven years old.

• 18:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 18:49Sean Fennessey?

  I'm gonna start by talking about this.

• 18:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 18:51Sean Fennessey?

  I don't really remember seeing any of these movies in movie theaters. I feel like we do all these episodes about the early 90s. And even I remember doing 88 and thinking, did we do 88? I can't remember, 87 and thinking that I'd seen some movies. But I don't remember seeing any of these movies in theaters.

• 19:06Speaker 03

  This is a huge VHS year for me.

• 19:09Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 19:09Speaker 03

  And I would say that these, if you looked at just pure raw data.

• 19:13Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 19:14Speaker 03

  I've seen Gleaming the Cube more than I've seen any movie that you would wanna put on your lighterbox.

• 19:19Sean Fennessey?

  Because you would rent it from the video store?

• 19:21Speaker 03

  I would rent it and my mother would get furious at me because I would not return it. And a lot of movies here are 12-year-old Chris Staples.

• 19:31Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 19:31Speaker 03

  At the expense of watching like True Cinema. But obviously, like a lot of really great movies came out of this year and a lot of decade-topping movies and a lot of really definitive movies for me. But yeah, huge repeat rentals and not the kind of movies that you would go around trying to get dates at, videos with.

• 19:50Amanda Dobbins?

  That's good. That's life before.

• 19:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:53Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 19:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:54Amanda Dobbins?

  You had to do this for like cloud chasing. Yeah.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  Like cinephiles, you know? It's like, I just watch movies.

• 20:00Sean Fennessey?

  What were you like at 12?

• 20:02Speaker 03

  Uh, this is 19, so I guess I was in sixth grade. Yeah. You know, bat mitzvah time, you know? I was slow dancing with girls.

• 20:10Sean Fennessey?

  What was, what were the best themes at the bar and bat mitzvahs that you attended?

• 20:15Speaker 03

  You know, I don't really remember them having themes.

• 20:18Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. No, like a landman theme?

• 20:19Speaker 03

  No. I mean, I used to try to dress up like Parker Lewis Can't Lose with the rayon shirt buttoned all the way up.

• 20:25Sean Fennessey?

  I remember it well.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  And Bugle Boys and, and.

• 20:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I bring it back, man.

• 20:29Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 20:29Speaker 03

  I know.

• 20:30Sean Fennessey?

  Some like fake Ray-Bans with the green rims. Yeah.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  But yeah, this was, you know, just the middle school. So I was.

• 20:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Where was the travel baseball career at this point?

• 20:39Speaker 03

  It was pretty good, but I'm trying to think of sixth grade, so I was 12. I think I was still like just doing Fairmount Sports Association out.

• 20:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 20:48Speaker 03

  Actually, maybe this was.

• 20:49Amanda Dobbins?

  You hadn't been called up?

• 20:50Speaker 03

  No, this might have been travel baseball. This 13 was a big year. So 12, 13 was 8990 was my peak.

• 20:57Sean Fennessey?

  What was your slash line at this year?

• 20:59Speaker 03

  Well, we didn't believe in advanced analytics. We believed in momentum. We believed in effort and grit, you know? But that won us the championship. So shout out to Parkway. Shout out to the Fairmount Sports Association.

• 21:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 21:10Speaker 03

  They still, our name still rings out.

• 21:12Sean Fennessey?

  How many teams were in your league?

• 21:13Speaker 03

  You laugh. I have a jacket. I'll bring the jacket back.

• 21:16Sean Fennessey?

  Does it still fit?

• 21:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Can that work?

• 21:19Speaker 03

  Oh, you know, he probably, Si could probably wear. But yeah, yeah.

• 21:24Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, you were, you were five?

• 21:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I was Alice's age.

• 21:28Sean Fennessey?

  You were four.

• 21:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I was four turning five. Yeah, isn't that crazy?

• 21:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, okay. So what, what cognitive memories do you have from that period?

• 21:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Nothing specific, but I have, and I don't know how many of the movies I was seeing in theaters. Cause I don't think that my parents were as evolved as you are. But.

• 21:51Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you for saying that.

• 21:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you're welcome. But I have memories. I have memories of a lot of these movies, like, and connecting with them at a young age. So this is gonna be half grown up Amanda tries to be a cinephile and half like I was there on the playground singing the song.

• 22:12Sean Fennessey?

  I, I don't, I, I mean, I also was probably playing a lot of baseball at this time and probably deep into G.I. Joe this time. That seems like six turning seven, those were core interests for me.

• 22:23Speaker 03

  Did you have any older cousins or friends in the neighborhood who let you in on, on the, the secret scrolls of some of the exploitation movies or B movie, genre movies of the time?

• 22:35Sean Fennessey?

  That's a very good question. I didn't, I'm the oldest boy on both sides of my family and.

• 22:42Amanda Dobbins?

  The burden.

• 22:43Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, it is in some ways. I fled to California in part because of that burden. I, I was certainly aware of Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th and Halloween. And one of the interesting things about this year is this is the only year in which all three of those franchises had a movie out.

• 23:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 23:02Sean Fennessey?

  I went back and looked because I'm, I have a lot of free time apparently and.

• 23:06Speaker 03

  You can't watch Andor, but I can't watch Halloween Five.

• 23:09Sean Fennessey?

  And when you're seven, it's kind of when you start to become aware of horror and that sort of thing. And, you know, this is also the year, I, I should, I should. I should change my opinion about whether I've seen a movie in theaters because I did see Ghostbusters 2 in movie theaters. And that's another movie, that's the real gateway to horror, where if you see that movie and you like that movie and you you grow an affection for Vigo the Carpathian, then you might get more interested in Freddy Krueger. But I didn't have anybody putting me on to that stuff. I think that was just literally doing what my kids, for my kid, for example, doesn't do, which is watch TV commercials.

• 23:38Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 23:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, my kids love TV commercials, but yeah.

• 23:41Sean Fennessey?

  We don't really do that because of the what like how we watch TV. And so we like, I would just see the Dream Child commercial.

• 23:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 23:47Sean Fennessey?

  And be like, what is going on with that? That is very exciting. And that's all, I think that's how I got interested in a lot of movies.

• 23:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, I think there is also, uh, because there were there are trailers at the beginning of the VHS tapes that you would rent, you would kind of like

• 23:59Amanda Dobbins?

  That's right.

• 24:00Speaker 03

  You would sort of note for future reference that, you know, something looked illicit. And I honestly think that might be how I found out about some of the cooler movies of this year. Was like seeing a trailer at the beginning of the Do the Right Thing tape, you know, once it came out or whatever. And be like, wait, what's Mystery Train? What's this? Like, you know, so like kind of getting introduced to some of this stuff that way.

• 24:23Sean Fennessey?

  What do you make of this year? Any like reflections on what it means? Like I mentioned the horror, those horror titles, and this is a pretty important pivoting time for horror. It's like kind of horror entering a real down period.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  Like End of Slasher, right?

• 24:35Sean Fennessey?

  Um, it's End of Slasher, yeah, before we get to Scream in five or six years.

• 24:39Amanda Dobbins?

  It, to me, this is obvious since it's like 1989 and the next year is 1990, but it is a real pivotal year, I think in a lot of part because of sex, lies and videotape. And this is like where the Sundance and like kind of ushering in 90s independent cinema, like literally with Soderbergh. This is also the year of Do the Right Thing, which, you know, famously does not get nominated for Best Picture. So a lot of new people coming in. This is the year of When Harry Met Sally and the like, starting the rom com. And you also have like,

• 25:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe not the last good Oliver Stone movie, but like it's a lot of the ends of certain types of things. Like Daniel Day winning for My Left Foot. It's an introduction of him, but also that's a pretty classical, like showy Oscar performance. So it's not a year we think of like a lot, or that I spend a lot of time thinking of as like a really pivotal film year. But a lot is changing.

• 25:36Sean Fennessey?

  I think you're right. I think there's a good case for it being more important than even we talk about on the show. Having done all these drafts, the fact that it's taken over five years to get to this draft is kind of interesting, maybe just a mistake on my part.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  No, I mean, we're running out of years. I think also there's like a, I wonder, I wonder if we went back and looked at journalism about the movie industry at this time period, because obviously in the moment, people tend to be like, well, it's not the same as it was five years ago or 10 years ago. But it just seems like such a stable and healthy movie environment at that time, where you had a real baseline of like mid-tier dramas and rom-coms and drama, dramedies that Hollywood were churning out. And, you know, because you have this, I've been thinking about this a lot recently. I'm sure you guys have addressed this on the pod. I may have missed it, but like this kind of dialogue that's going on right now of like, who is an actual famous person versus who is an actual box office draw?

• 26:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 26:30Speaker 03

  I know that kind of came up with Josh O'Connor a little bit, but like.

• 26:33Sean Fennessey?

  Well, Amanda was saying, even when we were talking about Chalamet, I think, I think you were very pointedly like, there are no movies, like no one can open a movie. There's not a single person now who guarantee is a movie opening. I would argue, not to draw this back to a boring conversation we've had five times, but one battle doing 185 or whatever is a real testimony to Leo oversees.

• 26:52Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 26:53Sean Fennessey?

  Which is still something, but I mean, that was a person who was at the top of the heap for decades.

• 26:58Amanda Dobbins?

  And he's the only one.

• 26:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 26:59Amanda Dobbins?

  And then like, that's it.

• 27:00Sean Fennessey?

  And this is the, this is, but this is an interesting challenge that. Because if you look at the top of the box office in this year.

• 27:08Sean Fennessey?

  It isn't really fully defined by stars. The number one movie of this year is Batman. Also, pretty notable.

• 27:17Amanda Dobbins?

  And starting a new generation of.

• 27:19Sean Fennessey?

  And Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Obviously Harrison Ford is critical to the success of those movies, but still it's a third film in a franchise. Lethal Weapon 2.

• 27:28Speaker 03

  Another franchise.

• 27:29Sean Fennessey?

  Mel was a huge star at that time, but it's a franchise. Look Who's Talking is a gimmick movie and becomes a franchise. Honey, I Shrunk the Kids, gimmick movie for kids, gonna be a franchise. Back to the Future 2, franchise, you know. This is, and this time, we've talked about this many times over the years in the rewatchables when we do 80s movies too. But there is a pivot point in the middle of this decade where this becomes more of the strategy.

• 27:53Speaker 03

  You can see the tide's shifting in the second half of the bottom 10 of the top 14 here or whatever is like, wow, we used to make things.

• 28:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, movies for adults, pretty much.

• 28:03Speaker 03

  And they're, they're profitable and they're about divorce or about broken families or about missing your father or having diabetes and.

• 28:11Sean Fennessey?

  This is the thing that we are literally saying when we say the middle.

• 28:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 28:14Sean Fennessey?

  That these are the movies that make $80 million and they're profitable and they win awards and they're in the culture at large. They don't make $300 million like Batman, but they do really well. And this year is littered with them in addition to, I think, all of those sea changes you're talking about, just kind of in the movie business and the new voices that are coming through. So pretty exciting and pivotal year, absolutely like nightmare Academy Awards. One of the, one of the most nightmarish Academy Awards in movie history. And there's one cool win, there's two cool wins with Denzel winning for glory.

• 28:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 28:46Sean Fennessey?

  And, and Daniel Day Lewis announcing himself as a critical figure, but the, and I guess Oliver Stone winning For Born on the Fourth of July is good.

• 28:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Mind it, it's one of the good ones.

• 28:56Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, you could make the case for any of the other nominees in that category this year. You know, you had Woody Allen for Crimes and Misdemeanors, Peter Weir for Dead Poets Society, Kenneth Branagh for Henry V and Jim Sheridan for My Left Foot. But Driving Miss Daisy wins Best Picture.

• 29:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yep.

• 29:10Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think it's gonna be drafted today.

• 29:11Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 29:12Speaker 03

  No.

• 29:12Sean Fennessey?

  I, have you seen it?

• 29:13Speaker 03

  I think I've seen it once.

• 29:15Sean Fennessey?

  Have you seen it?

• 29:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I honestly maybe haven't. Now, I like, I've seen clips of it, but I think by the time I caught up to it, you know, even in the moment, we weren't old enough to really be paying attention, but it was understood to be an outrage of sorts.

• 29:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it was definitely a movie that was for old people, too. Like, I remember my parents, I'll think, I think I'll be talking about my parents on this episode a little bit more. Yeah. But I remember my parents being very bored by this movie. And very, very surprised by the fact that Born on the Fourth of July, I've mentioned in the past, like, is about Ron Kovik, who lived on Long Island, who had a big, he was a very big figure in the community that I grew up in. And so there was a lot of warmth towards Born on the Fourth of July. And that's like an adult movie, Dead Poet's Society, another movie nominated for Best Picture that just like, everybody liked.

• 30:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 30:02Sean Fennessey?

  You know, it was just kind of universally appreciated and enjoyed. So that's setting aside even the Do the Right Thing exclusion.

• 30:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 30:10Sean Fennessey?

  Couple of other movies that we'll talk about that probably should have been here as well. But it's, it's, it's not, it's not a great. I also have some strong thoughts about Best Actress and Jessica Tandy that we will maybe get to in this conversation. You're gonna besmirch Jessica Tandy's legacy? No, she's a fine actress. She has multiple Tonys and a stage legend.

• 30:28Amanda Dobbins?

  A lot of people that you want to sleep with in the rest of the category.

• 30:32Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I mean, I would if they presented that option to me, but that's not, that wasn't that specifically.

• 30:40Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, any other thoughts before we dig into our, our drafting?

• 30:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm excited.

• 30:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 30:44Amanda Dobbins?

  This was, you know, this was one where you said 1989, and I like, made a face at you. And then read through the list, and I didn't realize what a deep bench this was gonna be, so.

• 30:54Sean Fennessey?

  It's a pretty cool one, so these are the categories we'll do before we do the draft order. It'll be drama, comedy, action, horror, thriller, Oscar nominee, sequel, blockbuster with a $75 million threshold, and wildcard. So we're back to seven categories, just the three of us.

• 31:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 31:11Sean Fennessey?

  Feeling good?

• 31:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 31:12Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, Jack Sanders, we need a draft order. All right, let's do it.

• 31:15Amanda Dobbins?

  All right, Mr. Dungeons and Dragons.

• 31:16Sean Fennessey?

  Here we go.

• 31:20Sean Fennessey?

  We have the huge die going?

• 31:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 31:22Sean Fennessey?

  Just such a good noise. Drafting first, Amanda Dobbins.

• 31:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow. Okay.

• 31:33Speaker 04

  Drafting second, Chris Ryan. Drafting third, Sean.

• 31:39Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 31:39Speaker 03

  It's been a minute since we've drafted just the three of us.

• 31:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I think so. At least a couple of months.

• 31:46Sean Fennessey?

  PTA character draft. We did.

• 31:48Speaker 03

  Oh, right.

• 31:49Sean Fennessey?

  Haven't had a year draft just thus in a while.

• 31:51Speaker 03

  Three of us, yeah. Okay.

• 31:52Amanda Dobbins?

  So, there are a couple of obvious first picks. But if I've learned anything, it's that I need to take what I really want.

• 32:05Speaker 03

  I kind of actually think that this isn't true and that rarely do we like shark you.

• 32:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, you might on, I don't know whether you would on this one, but I just like, I can't not have One Harry Met Sally. Like, I can't not have it. What?

• 32:19Sean Fennessey?

  I think you're absolutely making the right choice and it also wounds me.

• 32:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 32:23Sean Fennessey?

  Because it means that the top two picks are gonna be off the board.

• 32:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, so, and I'm gonna take that on Blockbuster.

• 32:28Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 32:28Sean Fennessey?

  Good pick. Yeah.

• 32:30Amanda Dobbins?

  This is...

• 32:30Sean Fennessey?

  I think this is absolutely the right move.

• 32:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you. Thank you so much. We're being very nice to each other today and I'm gonna roll with it.

• 32:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, okay. I'm heading into the second half of my life and these relationships are very important to me.

• 32:46Amanda Dobbins?

  One Harry Met Sally is the best and most influential romantic comedy of my lifetime. And this in 1989 resets, it is the modern romantic comedy era. No disrespect to some of the greats of the 70s and 80s. But every movie starring Julia Roberts, Meg Ryan, Kate Hudson, who am I forgetting? Sandra Bullock, Reese Withersley, any of the movies in the 90s and 2000s that you or I loved owe a debt to One Harry Met Sally, which is far more sophisticated than any of those other movies. This also sets Nora Ephron off on her, she wrote this one and then starts her on her filmmaking.

• 33:29Amanda Dobbins?

  What really establishes her filmmaking career. I'm still a fan of Heartburn, which she wrote before this. But this is, this is like, she's certified.

• 33:36Speaker 03

  Did she have another movie this year? Oh, she wrote A Cookie, right?

• 33:39Sean Fennessey?

  She did, yeah.

• 33:41Amanda Dobbins?

  So, um, it's, you know, obviously like hugely well-known, hugely quotable. I love it. Controversially, I picked, or controversially to other people, I picked You've Got Mail in the New York City Draft rather than When Harry Met Sally, because I was operating under the confines of, it was a New York draft. And for whatever reason, I watched that You've Got Mail growing up more than I did When Harry Met Sally. But, uh, it's, it is, it is one of the great movies.

• 34:11Speaker 03

  I would say that 1989 produced more iconic scenes and memorable movie moments than almost any other in my lifetime. Like, you still see-

• 34:26Sean Fennessey?

  Classic unverifiable podcast take.

• 34:28Speaker 03

  I can't, but I can't, I can't verify it, but I would, I would almost, in my mind, I'm like, there are so many scenes from, uh, moments from movies of this year where you would see it in a historical Oscar montage.

• 34:39Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 34:40Speaker 03

  You know, and like, the, obviously the deli ordering scene.

• 34:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I'll have what she's having, yeah.

• 34:45Speaker 03

  But yeah, uh, great pick.

• 34:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Sharper image for me.

• 34:50Sean Fennessey?

  I, I think it's the best of that, this kind of film, When Harry Met Sally.

• 34:55Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I think that you're right. There's best and there's favorite, and it is, it is the best. It's, it's the pinnacle.

• 35:01Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, your second pick, Chris.

• 35:03Speaker 03

  I'm gonna go with Do the Right Thing.

• 35:05Sean Fennessey?

  Which category?

• 35:06Speaker 03

  I am going to take it-

• 35:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Delete?

• 35:10Speaker 03

  In drama.

• 35:14Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 35:16Speaker 03

  Tracy Letts recently called this the best movie of the 80s in his Criterion Closet video. I tend to agree. I rewatched it, some of it last night.

• 35:24Amanda Dobbins?

  It just, I was a great video. I've told him this personally, but that just, good job, Tracy.

• 35:30Sean Fennessey?

  He, he told me that there were quite a few of his picks were left on the cutting room floor, and he was frustrated about that.

• 35:37Sean Fennessey?

  But he did share those picks with me.

• 35:40Speaker 03

  Can't overstate the lightning bolt effect this movie had on my life, along with the explosion of rap music at this time period. It was honestly one of the pivotal moments of my cultural experience. Public Enemy and Spike Lee and all these things happening at once really did feel like a like historically relevant moment that we were living through. And this movie still brims with so much life and so much energy, so much inventiveness. A quintessential New York movie, incredible ensemble of performances. And just, I think should be honestly like a first 10 top movies that you need to see before you die. Like, if you haven't seen the right thing, you should.

• 36:24Amanda Dobbins?

  A thousand percent.

• 36:25Speaker 03

  Hit pause and go watch it.

• 36:27Sean Fennessey?

  I do think I said something to that effect. Wesley and I did a rewatchables years ago now.

• 36:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:32Sean Fennessey?

  Like maybe seven years ago about the movie, but one of my favorite episodes of that show that we've ever done. And yeah, it had the same effect on me. I didn't see it till I was older. There would be no reason to see it until you were more like giving yourself a film education as a teenager.

• 36:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:47Sean Fennessey?

  But.

• 36:47Speaker 03

  I still remember like, you know, in my head, it will always bangs around is the Chuck D 1989, Another Summer. And you're just like, oh my God, it really feels like we're living through something.

• 36:56Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. And defines this. Can that needle drop open this episode?

• 37:01Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 37:01Sean Fennessey?

  Or are we not allowed to?

• 37:01Amanda Dobbins?

  They always say, no.

• 37:03Sean Fennessey?

  Is that fair use?

• 37:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, because we couldn't get Ganga Four from Marie Antoinette.

• 37:05Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, wow. We just can't even fair use these beautiful sounds anymore.

• 37:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 37:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, gosh, I do love that movie.

• 37:11Speaker 03

  So you're mad, though?

• 37:13Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  Those have been your top two?

• 37:14Amanda Dobbins?

  But you think we did okay?

• 37:15Sean Fennessey?

  Those were my one and two picks. I think those are the, because they fit a number of categories. They define the year in some ways. They're both wonderful. They're both like very easy to return to. You know.

• 37:26Amanda Dobbins?

  They're up there in this montage.

• 37:27Sean Fennessey?

  They're on the board, you know, when Jack selected which films to spotlight behind us. Those are the ones he chose. So yeah, I mean, there's a ton of great movies left and there's a ton of strategic picks to make. It does leave me in the unfortunate position of then like, I feel like going very male bro-y, which a lot of my drafts have just been really male bro-y lately. And I wanted to say something. I don't really see myself that way. And I think I have like painted myself into a corner on this podcast as being like that. And I regret that.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  So now Star Wars mommy.

• 38:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 38:02Speaker 03

  And super ally.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  I didn't say that.

• 38:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 38:07Speaker 03

  It's a brave world, I'm excited. She's got fucking Leia buns. And you're like, you know what?

• 38:15Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, okay. I, I think the right strategic move is maybe not exactly the one that I want to make, but I'm.

• 38:23Speaker 03

  You have two picks here, so you can have one for us, one for them, huh?

• 38:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, okay. In Blockbuster, I'm going to take Batman. I don't love a lot of the blockbusters here, and I do love Batman, another movie that has been featured on the rewatchables.

• 38:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Delete.

• 38:37Sean Fennessey?

  Tim Burton's really brave recontextualization of Batman, reimagining of what Batman is, casting Michael Keaton. Like, it is, that movie, you can go back and look at what Batman was and the way that he made that movie a little bit more strange, more Gothic, more unusual than expected, you know, enlisting Prince to do the soundtrack, pretty bold move.

• 38:58Speaker 03

  Keaton's, is that your favorite Batman?

• 39:01Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty easily. You know, I was always very like, I feel, I felt Bale was good. I really had like nothing negative to say about Bale, but I think it's just age, too.

• 39:12Speaker 03

  It's your first guy.

• 39:13Sean Fennessey?

  If I see Batman, when we rented that movie from Blockbuster, and he's Batman to me at seven years old.

• 39:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 39:19Sean Fennessey?

  That's kind of life changing. That's definitional, so I love Batman.

• 39:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Forever. I mean, this was just in life, you know? I like, I also really like Bale, and once again, I think Robert Pattinson is very tall in the suit, so.

• 39:30Sean Fennessey?

  A few more movies and he could be rising up the power rankings if they ever make those films.

• 39:33Speaker 03

  I'm an Affleck guy, so.

• 39:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, well.

• 39:36Sean Fennessey?

  Now, I, I do wish we could have seen the Affleck-directed Batman.

• 39:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, sure.

• 39:42Sean Fennessey?

  That would have been.

• 39:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Of course.

• 39:43Sean Fennessey?

  That would have, that could have challenged something, because he, he looks the part, he's got that kind of like graying billionaire energy that you would want from that character. I don't know, anyway.

• 39:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, that would be the most fascinating celebrity document. To me personally, in, you know, in the past thirty years.

• 40:01Sean Fennessey?

  What do you think he would reveal about his own personal psychology?

• 40:04Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 40:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Do you feel that he goes into a cave and puts on a mask when he acts in the world?

• 40:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. Or when he goes out, you know, to pick up his FedEx and his Chick-fil-A and his Dunkin' Donuts.

• 40:16Sean Fennessey?

  Did you know we're roughly two and a half months away from The Rip appearing?

• 40:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, I did.

• 40:21Sean Fennessey?

  On Netflix, the new Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, is it a drug heist movie?

• 40:26Speaker 03

  It is about cops who rip off drug dealers in Miami. It's such a really fertile story for popular culture right now.

• 40:32Sean Fennessey?

  Hard to believe you believe that.

• 40:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Task?

• 40:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 40:36Speaker 03

  This?

• 40:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 40:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, is that what Task is about?

• 40:39Speaker 03

  Task?

• 40:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I didn't watch it. I'm sorry.

• 40:41Speaker 03

  It's in the first episode.

• 40:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, I didn't want to know because you guys started without me and then, listen, like I said.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  Who's you guys started without me?

• 40:48Amanda Dobbins?

  The Watch, for one. I felt, I did finally feel excluded by The Watch, but at the end of The Task.

• 40:55Speaker 03

  I'm sorry.

• 40:56Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's fine. We're back.

• 40:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:58Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, I have listened to all the Sheridan stuff, but yeah, it's, it just got away from me so fast. I'm really behind on TV.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  And it's what happens with TV is it's just like you blink and three episodes are up.

• 41:08Amanda Dobbins?

  And then I asked Zach what it was about and he told me and I didn't hold on to the information, so.

• 41:14Sean Fennessey?

  I changed my mind.

• 41:15Speaker 03

  No, really?

• 41:16Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not, I'm not taking it in blockbuster.

• 41:19Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 41:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 41:20Sean Fennessey?

  I'm, I'm taking it in thriller, action, horror.

• 41:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 41:22Speaker 03

  Batman?

• 41:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 41:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 41:24Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 41:24Sean Fennessey?

  Do you believe it belongs there?

• 41:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I deleted it from that category, so yes.

• 41:28Sean Fennessey?

  It's an action movie?

• 41:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it is.

• 41:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:30Sean Fennessey?

  I also was thinking, where does science fiction fit? When we say that, does that fit in there?

• 41:34Speaker 03

  I, I, I use that as a blanket genre non-comedy thing.

• 41:38Sean Fennessey?

  Gotcha. Okay. So I'll take that there, just because there's a dearth of titles.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  That's Batman.

• 41:43Sean Fennessey?

  That's Batman.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  In action thriller.

• 41:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Kyle Chandler is in The Rip? Damn, I'm excited.

• 41:48Sean Fennessey?

  I'm pretty, I'm pretty pumped.

• 41:49Speaker 03

  Me too. The trailer was awesome.

• 41:51Amanda Dobbins?

  This has like, um, triple frontier, you know, energy going around it in a big way and I'm ready for it.

• 41:58Sean Fennessey?

  But we're qualified streaming movie.

• 41:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, we can, we can share Twix again.

• 42:01Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:02Amanda Dobbins?

  That's, yeah, there we go. See?

• 42:04Sean Fennessey?

  You guys can share Twix any day. If you just go to the store and buy some Twix. Okay, so now.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  I'm on pins and needles.

• 42:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 42:16Sean Fennessey?

  In sequel, I'll be taking Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

• 42:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, my god. You don't even like the Holy Grail. You don't believe in it.

• 42:24Sean Fennessey?

  I don't believe in it because it's not real, because I've done my research.

• 42:27Speaker 03

  The cup of Christ?

• 42:28Sean Fennessey?

  It's not real.

• 42:29Amanda Dobbins?

  God fucking damn it.

• 42:30Sean Fennessey?

  It's an imagined idea that was invented to stoke mythology amongst believers. That being said, wonderful movie.

• 42:38Speaker 03

  If you walked into the chamber and the knight was there, the crusade knight was there.

• 42:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 42:42Speaker 03

  And he was like, look at all these cups. Do you think deep down inside you would pick the cup of a carpenter? Or would you pick a bejeweled, kind of like King of Kings thing?

• 42:50Sean Fennessey?

  Let's, let's refashion this, this question. I walk in, the knight's there and he's got all the four case. And he's like, which, which, which one do you want?

• 42:59Speaker 03

  Which one would you take?

• 43:00Sean Fennessey?

  What's your question? What's like, what do you, what do you really want to have? I don't know.

• 43:05Speaker 03

  And it's Tracy Letts and he's like, I have all of these discs.

• 43:10Sean Fennessey?

  Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, obviously magical.

• 43:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 43:12Sean Fennessey?

  Sequels, a tough category. There's some, there's some good ones. But nothing like this one. This is, in my opinion, the best sequel from this time. And I don't know, if you guys are going to take the two best movies, I at least got to make a

• 43:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's fine.

• 43:25Sean Fennessey?

  A smart move.

• 43:25Speaker 03

  You did a good job.

• 43:26Amanda Dobbins?

  But I'm, sequels is tough for me because, like I said, I was four when this came out. So I wasn't, I had not seen the originals of many of these movies. And so I didn't like go out and seek the sequels when I turned like nine or 10 or whatever. So I, it's, it's thin for me.

• 43:45Sean Fennessey?

  Well, that's why it's called the draft and not Amanda gets what she wants.

• 43:48Amanda Dobbins?

  I feel, we were doing really well. And I was even trying to like be measured about the fact that you took this, even though you have just a tremendous amount of bad historical takes about this movie. You're always like, it's not as good. It's like Temple of Doom and it's definitely not the best one.

• 44:05Sean Fennessey?

  I never said that. I never said that.

• 44:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't believe in the Grail and I don't like any stories about it. And then you won't respect, you know, the

• 44:13Sean Fennessey?

  Don't put in the newspaper that she's mad.

• 44:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I am, I'm like a little mad and I was trying to be okay, but you don't, you don't have to snape at me about my emotions. Okay?

• 44:22Sean Fennessey?

  Fair enough.

• 44:23Amanda Dobbins?

  There we go.

• 44:23Speaker 03

  Oh, this is also Indiana Jones, Big Venice movie. Last Crusade is.

• 44:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, really?

• 44:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. You're right. Of course.

• 44:29Speaker 03

  The catacombs.

• 44:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 44:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Because everything is, it's very old there and sinking into the ground.

• 44:34Speaker 03

  In, oh, go ahead.

• 44:35Sean Fennessey?

  You know what you want to do?

• 44:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. In Oscar, I'm gonna take Field of Dreams.

• 44:40Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  Not made for Best Picture. I gotta tell you, man, this is a perfect movie.

• 44:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I rewatched the People Will Come scene this morning and started crying. And, um, okay. Good movies. It's going, it's going quickly now.

• 44:54Sean Fennessey?

  Back in the news because of Amy Madigan, I find.

• 44:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 44:57Speaker 03

  It is back in the news and I, I was rewatching it, uh, like late this summer. And it, I remember watching my parents watching it and crying and not knowing why. And then watching it now and crying and be like, oh, I get it. And, uh, you know, Phil Alden Robinson, who also did Sneakers and it's based on the W.P. Kinsella novel, Kevin Costner, um, in one of his iconic roles and honestly, probably iconic looks, you know, the button down tucked into the jeans standing in a cornfield.

• 45:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Unbelievably hot. Also, just the, the T-shirt that he's wearing when he's walking through the cornfields. And it's, and they're like, if you build it, they will come, no whispers. It's, it's, it's powerful.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  But I was actually really struck by the, um, depth of the cast. Uh, it was the last time I watched it, cause I'd forgotten, like Frank Whaley plays young Doc, obviously Burt Lancaster, Ray Liotta, and a kind of almost like movie star matinee role as Schillers Joe. And James Earl Jones is phenomenal in this movie. Gabby Hoffman is the daughter. Timothy Busfield is the annoying brother in law.

• 46:02Sean Fennessey?

  Terrible character, but yeah, we'll allow it. Classic, like old school, bad movie character. Where you're just like, why is this, why won't this guy just like stop annoying everybody about this? Like this is not, what does he want to do? Like buy the cornfields? Just sell the farm.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  He's like, you, you're basically, you're underwater with your mortgage. You gotta sell the farm. I'm trying to protect my sister, but also probably get a little, wet my beak a little bit. Uh, I think maybe the best last 10 minutes in, in like a movie history, including the last shot, the pullout as people are driving up.

• 46:28Sean Fennessey?

  It is historically a, a movie that when that sequence begins, it's like you, if you are touched, you turn into a puddle. Like it is very, very deep.

• 46:35Speaker 03

  And the Phillies are playing the Field of Dreams game next summer.

• 46:38Sean Fennessey?

  Cool. Who are they playing?

• 46:40Speaker 03

  Uh, I think Cubs.

• 46:41Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, that's, that's nice.

• 46:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's fun.

• 46:43Sean Fennessey?

  Two historic franchises.

• 46:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 46:45Sean Fennessey?

  Mired in.

• 46:47Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 46:48Sean Fennessey?

  Success?

• 46:48Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 46:49Sean Fennessey?

  Mired in success.

• 46:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, mired in success.

• 46:53Sean Fennessey?

  Amanda.

• 46:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, I wanted that one.

• 46:56Sean Fennessey?

  You have two selections.

• 46:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I wanted Last Crusade.

• 46:57Sean Fennessey?

  You've got a lot of stuff. You're good. You've got tons of stuff.

• 46:59Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I have a lot of stuff, but some of the category things are tricky for me. And I, I'll be totally honest, in addition to not having seen that many sequels, I only became aware of the sequels category at nine forty-eight last night. So, you know.

• 47:12Sean Fennessey?

  It was all there. Yeah.

• 47:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I, there, I have no one to blame but myself. But this is a culture of honesty and transparency.

• 47:20Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 47:20Amanda Dobbins?

  So, that's just where we are.

• 47:22Sean Fennessey?

  It's also a culture of accountability here on this show.

• 47:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 47:25Sean Fennessey?

  That when we select When Harry Met Sally, there are consequences.

• 47:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I said I was the same age as Alice in nineteen eighty-nine, not that I am.

• 47:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Um, all right, I was just bitching about sequels, but I'm not even gonna do that category. An action horror thriller.

• 47:45Sean Fennessey?

  Here we go.

• 47:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I.

• 47:48Sean Fennessey?

  Shocker.

• 47:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's a shocker, but like.

• 47:52Sean Fennessey?

  Wes Craven's shocker.

• 47:53Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 47:53Sean Fennessey?

  About a deranged criminal who is executed and then goes into the TV.

• 47:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Movies that are left that I've seen, Ghostbusters Two.

• 48:03Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 48:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 48:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 48:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 48:05Sean Fennessey?

  This is for thriller, action, horror, not?

• 48:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Correct.

• 48:08Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 48:09Speaker 03

  I had a funny bit for you for sequel that I was gonna try and tip you off to, but it.

• 48:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 48:14Speaker 03

  But I don't think we.

• 48:15Amanda Dobbins?

  We don't have time?

• 48:15Speaker 03

  We don't have time. We have plenty of time, but.

• 48:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I enjoy the Bill Murray of this movie the most, which has nothing to do with action horror or really even thrilling. Uh, it's just funny, but he's very good. And then, I don't know, I like the Slimer guy.

• 48:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Slimer, sure. How do you feel about the idea of a river of ooze?

• 48:36Speaker 03

  Pink ooze that's.

• 48:37Sean Fennessey?

  That runs under, through, through, through the, the aqueducts of New York.

• 48:41Speaker 03

  And it's feeding off of New York's anger and misery.

• 48:44Sean Fennessey?

  Negative energy.

• 48:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 48:46Amanda Dobbins?

  A great metaphor and not, doesn't scare me as much as other issues. I, like, I, I wouldn't wanna like step in it. I wouldn't volunteer to be, it's, it's Ackroyd who gets lowered down.

• 48:58Sean Fennessey?

  I believe so.

• 48:58Amanda Dobbins?

  To get the sample, right? Yeah, I, I wouldn't want that to be me, but I wouldn't say slime is, is like number one on my list of concerns.

• 49:07Sean Fennessey?

  A line reading from that movie that echoes in my mind in perpetuity is, "Viggy, viggy, viggy, you've been a bad monkey." That's a very classic Murray situation. Um. Weird thing that I just heard that I'm gonna share, because we're talking about this movie. Aziz Ansari was on Kim Masters' show on KCRW. And had a long conversation, really interesting, in part about the making of Good Fortune, his movie, and then some of the issues that he has found himself entrenched in recently. You know, some of the press that was written about him, like around Me Too, and then about the Riyadh Comedy Festival. And then he talked about Being Mortal, which was the movie that he was making with Bill Murray that was canceled after Bill Murray was accused of inappropriate behavior. And in talking about that, Kim Masters, who's been reporting on Hollywood for years and years, was like, "I was on the set of Ghostbusters 2."

• 49:52Sean Fennessey?

  And Harold Ramus was a saint, and Ivan Reitman was a nice guy, and Bill Murray was terrible. He was absolutely awful to be around. And I thought it was interesting for her to just say that in that environment. Did Aziz Ansari say anything back? Aziz, I think, was just trying to be as polite as possible. But it was one of those things- Was he like, "No way!"

• 50:14Sean Fennessey?

  No, he didn't do any Aziz bits.

• 50:15Amanda Dobbins?

  That was good. That was good.

• 50:17Sean Fennessey?

  But it was like 35 minutes into a 36-minute interview, and I was like, "Wow, no, they left that in there." Interesting. Okay. It happens. I hate to hear it about somebody that you-

• 50:25Amanda Dobbins?

  And there are stories. You can also imagine it, you know? Like, there is the curmudgeonly, difficult aspect of his personality as part of his comedy as well. But if you're dealing with it all the time, I bet it would be annoying. I mean, the man has a voicemail because he doesn't take phone calls, you know?

• 50:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, just like me.

• 50:45Amanda Dobbins?

  You love to see it, but also that indicates a level of a difficultness that, I don't know. He's funny in this movie. And Sigourney Weaver looks very beautiful. This is sort of like her, you know, the late 80s working girl into this.

• 51:01Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:02Amanda Dobbins?

  It's very inspirational to me. And I'm glad that baby's safe. So, Oscar? Oscar.

• 51:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, Oscar is the name of the baby. Oscar. Yes, that's right. She's no longer Zul, the key master? No, she gets exercised in- Yeah, at the end of one. At the end of one. She has no, there's nothing about her that's supernatural in two, right? No.

• 51:25Amanda Dobbins?

  No, well, but she's a mom, you know, so-

• 51:27Sean Fennessey?

  You're right. That is super-dash-natural.

• 51:30Amanda Dobbins?

  That's the most powerful of all.

• 51:31Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely.

• 51:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. In comedy, I'm taking Heathers.

• 51:36Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 51:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I say, what's your damage to my children, an inappropriate number of times a day for, and it just like comes out of me. I don't say fuck me gently with a chainsaw, so I feel like in terms of parenting, I'm doing pretty well.

• 51:51Speaker 03

  I do. I sometimes, nobody in particular, say I love my dead gay son.

• 51:59Speaker 03

  Sometimes like if I'm playing FIFA.

• 52:04Speaker 03

  The guy gets injured.

• 52:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, this, you know, existed before, uh, what is the name of the Lindsay, Mean Girls? And all of the other, did you know that girls can be terrible?

• 52:19Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 52:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, and did it with more hate and vitriol and, and really better styling than anyone, than, than any movie since. And I think I saw this before Mean Girls somehow. Like, I do think I saw this at a probably what we would now consider inappropriate age.

• 52:39Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 52:40Amanda Dobbins?

  But at the same time, I was watching all of the John Hughes movies, which is clearly like in conversation with.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  Almost like rejecting.

• 52:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And.

• 52:49Speaker 03

  Daniel Waters, amazing script.

• 52:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I, yeah, and just a version of, of women or teenage girl characters that is not the cheerleader and is in fact just like really angry and mean and ugly. And, you know, that is very freeing. And it's also, well, it is. I mean, they, you shouldn't kill people, but also like they're bitches. So, uh, and, and the script is amazing and so very quotable. And should I get one of those corsages? I don't know why. Like, like a sort of camellia thing that she wears right here. It's a really good one. It's good luck.

• 53:24Speaker 03

  That's a future look.

• 53:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, thank you.

• 53:26Speaker 03

  I love that this is a movie that you can watch and just enjoy on the surface. And then you can read so much about like all the references, the intersexual references it's making. Also like the, all the stuff they do with color theory and like the, you know, the red scrunchie or the red hair tie that symbolizes power, all that stuff. Is it true that this was written with the hopes that Stanley Kubrick would direct this?

• 53:47Sean Fennessey?

  I believe so.

• 53:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Well.

• 53:49Sean Fennessey?

  Which is quite interesting.

• 53:49Speaker 03

  Which is awesome.

• 53:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you gotta dream big.

• 53:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 53:51Speaker 03

  And.

• 53:52Sean Fennessey?

  Certainly by the end of the movie, it's kind of this like grand, violent, absurdist spectacle. You can see him taking a bite out of that.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  Uh, and yes, the two lead performances are kind of singed into my, my brain.

• 54:05Sean Fennessey?

  Slater is, is, you know, obviously all of the female stars of the movie, but Slater, like, trying so hard to be Jack. And kind of getting it, like, kind of getting there is, is really, is really quite special.

• 54:19Amanda Dobbins?

  What does she yell at the end? Like, I, I'm done with cool, I'm done with cool guys or something. Like, as she, as they're down and she's diffusing it, it's very funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really, really great stuff.

• 54:31Sean Fennessey?

  Great pick. Great movie.

• 54:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you.

• 54:33Sean Fennessey?

  Um, okay. CR, you've got a pick.

• 54:37Speaker 03

  This is interesting.

• 54:38Sean Fennessey?

  This is not quite playing out as I had expected it would.

• 54:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 54:43Sean Fennessey?

  Not in a bad way.

• 54:45Speaker 03

  I'm feeling really good about this. I'm gonna take in, uh,

• 54:50Speaker 03

  Blockbuster, and I kind of can't believe it's, it's such a fantastic world that this was. A blockbuster, I'll take Dead Poets Society.

• 54:56Sean Fennessey?

  I'm gonna do that, yeah.

• 54:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 54:58Sean Fennessey?

  I was hoping that would make its way to me.

• 54:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, sure.

• 55:01Speaker 03

  Pierre Weir's movie about a group of kids at a boarding school, prep school, who become enamored with their professor or their, their teacher, Robin Williams, played by Robin Williams, features like a half a dozen fantastic young men performances by Robert Sean Leonard and Ethan Hawke and Josh Charles.

• 55:20Amanda Dobbins?

  As Knockover Street.

• 55:22Sean Fennessey?

  We're getting our heads blown off by Chris in this draft right now, just so you know. We're currently being beaten very badly.

• 55:28Amanda Dobbins?

  He has Do the Right Thing, Field of Dreams, and Dead Poets Society. Yeah. I see your point. I see your point.

• 55:36Speaker 03

  Don't worry, I'll fucking nosedive into a mountain when I'm just like, actually, no, it's Police Academy 6.

• 55:41Sean Fennessey?

  You gotta like, you gotta salute sometimes where you're like, that's pretty masterful. Middling as well. Middling is challenging on this show.

• 55:47Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, I, I just, this, it's funny, it's like, the effect that Field of Dreams had on, uh, like, basically, like, this is like, I feel like the teenagers' Field of Dreams.

• 56:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 56:00Speaker 03

  Uh, when you're watching this and you just imagine yourself in these kinds of situations and having such an important feeling, uh, experience in school. And this was right as, like, school was becoming more serious for me. So I thought it was like, uh, well, I didn't take it seriously, but it was getting serious.

• 56:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 56:17Speaker 03

  And, yeah, uh, I don't even know, like, what to say about this.

• 56:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I think they showed me this in school. Which is like a choice.

• 56:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:25Sean Fennessey?

  I think I saw it in school as well.

• 56:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 56:27Sean Fennessey?

  And there's some, yeah. Then it's like, what's suicide? You know, like, there's a lot of complicated questions that come up when you're watching it at 12 years old.

• 56:34Speaker 03

  We saw last The Mohicans in school at the end of like a period of of study of Native American tribes of local Philadelphia area. It's not set in Philadelphia at all and is quite violent.

• 56:46Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 56:49Speaker 04

  Sometimes these drafts can be such a bummer for me because I'm like, how the fuck did this movie make 95 million dollars? If this movie came out today, it would be released by Mubi and make 4 million dollars.

• 57:00Sean Fennessey?

  That is true. That is literally true.

• 57:04Sean Fennessey?

  We can't give up.

• 57:05Speaker 03

  I'm not giving up.

• 57:06Sean Fennessey?

  We can't give up.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  We're spreading the good word.

• 57:08Amanda Dobbins?

  It's okay.

• 57:08Sean Fennessey?

  Dead Poets Society made nearly 96 million.

• 57:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow.

• 57:14Speaker 03

  Peter Werben, one of the best to do it.

• 57:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Robin Williams.

• 57:16Sean Fennessey?

  Ethan Hawke was having success as a child star before this movie, but this is also the movie that vaulted him.

• 57:23Speaker 03

  I would say Ethan Hawke giving one of his great, great ever performances in the lowdown. Right now.

• 57:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I thought you were gonna say in Dead Poets Society.

• 57:30Speaker 03

  No, but he's having a little, another hocuspance with Blue Moon and.

• 57:33Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, has he seen Blue Moon yet?

• 57:34Speaker 03

  I have not.

• 57:35Sean Fennessey?

  God, it's so good. He's so good. Okay. I've got two picks.

• 57:42Sean Fennessey?

  And.

• 57:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, I'm just learning that Josh Charles is on a upcoming medical comedy drama television series.

• 57:49Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 57:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Called Best Medicine. Well, I'm happy for him, I guess.

• 57:52Sean Fennessey?

  Certainly heard better titles.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  The title Doc was already taken.

• 57:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, starring Molly Parker.

• 57:57Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 57:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, I've seen the commercials for that.

• 57:59Speaker 03

  As a doctor who has amnesia but is somehow still allowed to practice surgical medicine.

• 58:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 58:04Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting take.

• 58:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I tried to watch baseball playoffs on the way back from New York, I think, and that was not playing on Fox on the, you know, playing live TV, but the amnesia doctor was.

• 58:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, so I didn't watch it. I watched Little Women and cried.

• 58:21Sean Fennessey?

  Are there ever any scenes in that show where she's in the middle of a surgery and she's like, whoops, I forgot?

• 58:25Speaker 03

  No, I mean, I honestly have not watched Doc, I'm sorry.

• 58:28Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 58:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, too, too busy.

• 58:31Sean Fennessey?

  What, doing?

• 58:31Speaker 03

  Watching Taylor Sheridan shows.

• 58:36Sean Fennessey?

  So I've got Batman and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

• 58:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:41Sean Fennessey?

  Which are objectively, I think, pretty good picks, but I look over at your boards and I'm a little concerned. So in Oscar nominee.

• 58:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:54Sean Fennessey?

  I'll be taking Sex, Lies and Videotape.

• 58:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 58:58Sean Fennessey?

  Now, this is a somewhat crowded field of movies that I like.

• 59:03Sean Fennessey?

  But I think this is.

• 59:04Speaker 03

  This movie is fucking awesome.

• 59:05Sean Fennessey?

  I think this might be the best movie in the mix that has left.

• 59:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:09Sean Fennessey?

  And you mentioned this is Soderbergh's debut, written and directed by him, premiered at Sundance, instant sensation, wildly critically acclaimed, and launched him.

• 59:20Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:20Sean Fennessey?

  And he was the first guy from this stretch of mostly guys, but some women as well, who were put through the post-Sundance world of like, you get to do anything you want. You take on Hollywood movies, you get to, those Hollywood movies fail, you get to make very experimental movies.

• 59:35Speaker 03

  You get to hunt for Ben Solo.

• 59:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's, well, unfortunately, you don't.

• 59:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:39Sean Fennessey?

  Um, but this is a really interesting character piece about people confronting their desires or not confronting them, and a very clever, like chessboard kind of a movie, where you see people's feelings getting pushed around by other people and like, feels like a very personal movie for Steven Soderbergh, about the way that he sees relationships in the world. And he's kind of been prodded to talk about that over the years. But this is one that I do remember my parents coming home from seeing by the date night.

• 1:00:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:09Sean Fennessey?

  And being very excited about and very interested in.

• 1:00:11Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:00:12Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. You know, my mom, I don't know if she was a cinephile, which is a big moviegoer, and she was blown away by this movie. I very, very remember that.

• 1:00:19Speaker 03

  I was rewatching some of this last night in prep. I for, I sometimes I just forget, Spader is so good in this movie. It's, I don't think it gets talked about enough. He is mesmerizing. They're, because this is shot kind of like a play, you know? And it's in these apartments and it's kind of spare, spare sets and stuff like that. And he grabs the frame with so much power. It's, it's really, really a wonderful performance if you haven't seen it.

• 1:00:45Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Any Sex, Lies and Videotapes thoughts?

• 1:00:49Amanda Dobbins?

  It was on my list and I'm jealous. And I don't spend enough ti, Peter Gallagher was very formative in my young life.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:58Amanda Dobbins?

  At least like my pre-college life, between Sex, Lies and Videotape, uh, Center Stage and the OC. So James Spader was as well, but we already talked about him.

• 1:01:08Sean Fennessey?

  It seemed like he was going to be.

• 1:01:11Amanda Dobbins?

  And while you were sleeping.

• 1:01:13Sean Fennessey?

  Has he not worked with Soderbergh since The Underneath?

• 1:01:18Sean Fennessey?

  The underneath, probably the most kind of ignored Soderbergh movie, right? Movie that came out in the mid 90s was kind of his last, like, big Hollywood movie before doing like the reset. It's a remake of Criss Cross, I think. It's the, it's the heist movie. Yeah. Right. There's a very strange movie, beautifully lit, but I don't think he's been in one of his movies since then, which is super interesting because they, they're, they're a good match together, too. Okay, Sex, Lies and Videotape.

• 1:01:43Sean Fennessey?

  Now what? Hmm. I don't have a great answer for where I want to go.

• 1:01:51Sean Fennessey?

  I guess.

• 1:01:54Sean Fennessey?

  I guess I'll take Say Anything in comedy. Okay. That you, you struck that. That was my next pick. Say Anything is, uh, yeah, of course, John Cusack holding the boombox overhead. I'm sure you saw people during the Cubs game when he stood up at the, there was like a call in the ninth inning in the elimination game that the Cubs were playing. I was watching this on a plane. And John Cusack was sitting in the front row, longtime massive Cubs fan. And he stood up and he went like this when it was called strike three on a hitter. Oh, I didn't see this. It was a terrible strike three call and it was memed instantaneous.

• 1:02:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, yeah.

• 1:02:28Sean Fennessey?

  It was a boombox. It was very funny. You know, Cameron Crowe, interesting timing for this. He is now releasing his memoir, which I'm really excited to read. And it's interesting, this year, there's two filmmaker memoirs. It's Cameron Crowe and Abel Ferrara and like both of two, basically like the two polarities of moviness. One that is the absolute dark core of humanity and one that is, I think, like a genuinely hopeful point of view on life. And Say Anything and Lloyd Dobler. Lloyd Dobler is maybe the original, he made it okay for me to be weird.

• 1:03:01Amanda Dobbins?

  For sure.

• 1:03:02Sean Fennessey?

  Character, you know, the like real idiosyncrasy of that character.

• 1:03:05Amanda Dobbins?

  And also, yeah. And also made it okay for me to not have good boundaries.

• 1:03:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:12Sean Fennessey?

  I think he's a bit of a target missile for ladies like Amanda, right? You know, like, just like, very self-possessed, but deeply weird and into his stuff.

• 1:03:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:22Sean Fennessey?

  Which is a type that I identify with.

• 1:03:24Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:03:25Sean Fennessey?

  Kickboxing, you know?

• 1:03:26Speaker 03

  Also, elder abuse.

• 1:03:29Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he's not for that. The film is about that.

• 1:03:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, which you wouldn't know.

• 1:03:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  From most.

• 1:03:35Sean Fennessey?

  Speaking of Ione Sky, you know, who has no real knowledge of her father, John Mahoney's terrible deeds.

• 1:03:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:42Sean Fennessey?

  And it's kind of a shocking twist in that movie when it's revealed what's happening.

• 1:03:45Speaker 03

  Because like, the principal thing of the last 20 minutes is Mahoney's criminality.

• 1:03:51Sean Fennessey?

  To the crisis of their relationship that I found very interesting, that is like, kind of upends what you think a movie can be. You know, it's not, it doesn't have like, hard resolutions and definitive.

• 1:04:00Speaker 03

  It feels more like a short story. It was like, where something kind of comes out of nowhere and hits it. Which I know you love short stories.

• 1:04:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I do. Yeah.

• 1:04:08Sean Fennessey?

  Don't say anything bad about saying anything.

• 1:04:10Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it's a great movie. I do think that you watch it when you're 15, or 12, or whatever. And Lloyd Dobler is like, one person to you, and then you watch it at the age of 30 or 35, and you're like.

• 1:04:25Sean Fennessey?

  That's my husband.

• 1:04:28Sean Fennessey?

  And that's great.

• 1:04:31Sean Fennessey?

  And this is probably the one that I think set Cusack up more than anything to become the star that he was through the 80s and 90s.

• 1:04:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:37Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, those are pretty good.

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:39Sean Fennessey?

  I feel okay about that.

• 1:04:40Amanda Dobbins?

  This is totally unrelated. Well, it's, I'll do the train of thought. Because it's in your eyes that's from the, right? And so.

• 1:04:49Sean Fennessey?

  Peter Gabriel.

• 1:04:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, but so then Peter Gabriel also makes me think of Phil Collins, and then.

• 1:04:55Sean Fennessey?

  Because they were in Genesis together.

• 1:04:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly, and then I was thinking about.

• 1:04:58Speaker 03

  You're a huge Genesis fan.

• 1:04:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I actually, Invisible Touch is like a fucking dynamite. Don't even.

• 1:05:03Speaker 03

  I'm not mocking you.

• 1:05:04Sean Fennessey?

  What's your favorite?

• 1:05:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:05Sean Fennessey?

  The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.

• 1:05:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, Prague.

• 1:05:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, and, okay. We didn't talk about the music cue in House of Dynamite, when Idris Elba runs out to the basketball, like, camp with Angel Reason, all the girls in there playing in the air tonight.

• 1:05:21Sean Fennessey?

  In the air tonight.

• 1:05:24Sean Fennessey?

  So here's my read on that.

• 1:05:28Sean Fennessey?

  That must have been his campaign theme song.

• 1:05:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:05:31Sean Fennessey?

  So that that was sort of his theme song during his administration. But if that is the idea and we want to follow that, "In the Air Tonight" is a deranged theme song for a politician.

• 1:05:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, exactly.

• 1:05:41Sean Fennessey?

  But would also be in the hallowed tradition of politicians misunderstanding songs and making them the theme song.

• 1:05:48Amanda Dobbins?

  No, excuse me. It was "Don't Stop."

• 1:05:49Speaker 03

  "Don't Stop," right.

• 1:05:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Please do not dismerge "Go Your Own Way." Which is an amazing song.

• 1:05:54Speaker 03

  I love "Go Your Own Way." It would also be incredibly funny if Phil Clinton had been like, "This one's called the chain!" And I love it.

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• 1:07:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Chris, you have a pick.

• 1:07:35Speaker 03

  In comedy, I'll take Parenthood.

• 1:07:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:07:38Speaker 03

  This is a movie I've seen so many times. It's actually, in a lot of ways, more of a drama than a comedy, but a lot of very funny performances. Steve Martin, Rick Moranis, Joaquin Phoenix, then known as Leaf.

• 1:07:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:52Speaker 03

  Speaking of Aziz Ansari clips, there was a very funny one recently where he said he had been watching Parenthood and he was like, "Damn, who's this kid?" And then he's like, "Leaf Phoenix? Have I discovered a new Phoenix? I'm gonna get this guy in a movie." And it's obviously Joaquin. It's also one of my favorite Keanu Reeves performances. Martha Plimpton's also really great in this. This obviously got adapted later to be a long-running and very well-loved NPC series, but this is Ron Howard's sort of portrait of a upper-middle-class American family on the rocks and just a lot of big, big life moments happening to a bunch of different people at the same time. And very sweet, kind-hearted movie. Really, I've just, it's just been part of my life since the day it came out, it feels like.

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  So, don't know if you guys have a lot of time for this one.

• 1:08:39Sean Fennessey?

  I love it.

• 1:08:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:41Speaker 03

  Also, another Lol Ganz and Bob Loomandell banger.

• 1:08:44Sean Fennessey?

  Your boys.

• 1:08:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:45Sean Fennessey?

  Your homies. Those are your guys.

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:08:51Sean Fennessey?

  The thing I find devastating about this movie is Steve Martin's performance watching his son play baseball.

• 1:08:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:59Sean Fennessey?

  That like, it hurts me to watch that.

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  That's not funny, you know what I mean?

• 1:09:02Sean Fennessey?

  No, it's powerful. I find that this is a, if you grew up in a suburban environment, this movie is very, felt very close to what it was like.

• 1:09:11Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:09:12Sean Fennessey?

  The complicated relationship between siblings, you know, the like, black sheep who is also beloved by the elder figure, you know? There's like, there's so many, there's weird little nuances in this movie that are really sharp for something that was very broad and just like a pop blockbuster.

• 1:09:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 1:09:26Sean Fennessey?

  You know, mainstream movie.

• 1:09:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Like ensemble, yes. Good pick.

• 1:09:30Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 1:09:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I have two. In drama, I will be taking Born on the Fourth of July.

• 1:09:36Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:09:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Which is, I think Oliver Stone's best movie.

• 1:09:41Speaker 03

  Controversial.

• 1:09:41Amanda Dobbins?

  And it is controversial and.

• 1:09:44Speaker 03

  Cause it's actually U-turn.

• 1:09:47Sean Fennessey?

  This is best film.

• 1:09:48Speaker 03

  U-turn is incredible.

• 1:09:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I could, I could hear the case for JFK. I mean, I know everyone thinks that Platoon is the better Vietnam movie, but I think.

• 1:09:57Sean Fennessey?

  I prefer Born on the Fourth of July to Platoon personally.

• 1:10:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:10:00Speaker 03

  To watch.

• 1:10:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, to watch. Also, just it does star Tom Cruise and one of Tom Cruise's best performances. So, um, and, and he is like, it's right before Cruise becomes self-aware of like the Tom Cruise-ness of it all. And so, and that's a pretty magical, and it's the last movie probably where he is playing a character instead of being Tom Cruise playing a character. And even then, it's like on, on the border, you know, there is some, um, shock in seeing all, you know, Tom Cruise cursing, being angry, you know, rejecting the US, all of that stuff.

• 1:10:43Amanda Dobbins?

  So, I don't know, it's a great movie and.

• 1:10:48Sean Fennessey?

  I've always been fascinated by the sliding door of if Cruise wins instead of Daniel Day-Lewis.

• 1:10:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:53Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:10:54Sean Fennessey?

  And what happens to, not Daniel Day-Lewis's career, but Tom Cruise's career and what he is as a star. Because he doesn't, he's not always seemed like so solicitous of the Academy. He has not been like driven by winning an Academy Award, obviously, but I wonder what it would have.

• 1:11:09Speaker 03

  I mean, he still chases, chases it through Magnolia, right? Like, I mean, he still makes movies with.

• 1:11:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Even after Magnolia for a bit.

• 1:11:19Sean Fennessey?

  It doesn't really feel like he's chasing it though. Like I say that because those are two films about two disabled characters and they fit that classical mold of.

• 1:11:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:11:27Sean Fennessey?

  You know, turning your life over physically to playing a part, which is a, you know, it's still, I think, a, a strategy that works to help win Academy Awards. And in almost any other year, a young star like Cruise making that commitment to play Kovik, would have won him something, but he just so happened to run into the single greatest actor of his generation and maybe the next couple. And it's just, I, I've thought about it in quiet moments of reflection.

• 1:11:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:58Sean Fennessey?

  Good pick.

• 1:11:59Amanda Dobbins?

  And then in sequel, I will take National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.

• 1:12:04Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:12:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, so you're good.

• 1:12:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I mean, like, you got me shook. Like, Chris is, Chris's first three. It's now we're just, you know, we're playing for second place.

• 1:12:15Speaker 03

  I don't know about that because people don't look at it like, oh, Chris is on such a run. They'll look at the totality of the...

• 1:12:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's, I hope that people listen to the podcast and experience this emotional roller coaster in real time.

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  I feel like people are like, bear head. Okay.

• 1:12:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:29Speaker 03

  It wasn't like, oh, man, it's over.

• 1:12:31Sean Fennessey?

  Well, you see, like, this grid that we're looking at here, which is a new addition to our drafting strategy. Thank you to Jack for that.

• 1:12:38Sean Fennessey?

  It would make more sense, I think, in the future to post the grid rather than the card that indicates what films you picked in which category. Because what you want to show is the order in which things were selected, and that would reveal the strength of your moves thus far. But you know what? Maybe you're about to fritter it all away.

• 1:12:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe. Wait, I didn't get to talk about, I just...

• 1:12:56Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not, I'm not saying that you should talk. Please continue.

• 1:12:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, by far my favorite.

• 1:13:01Speaker 03

  Your favorite use of a septic tank.

• 1:13:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I think it's probably how I learned what a septic tank is, thinking about when in my life I was exposed to... This, this one was early. This is maybe the, the second movie of 1989 that I ever saw because it was core in our home.

• 1:13:19Sean Fennessey?

  On TV all the time.

• 1:13:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and we are recording this in the days before Halloween, which I, as, as a parent, I'm really, I'm struggling to find my Halloween mom, you know?

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  Are you?

• 1:13:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but let me tell you.

• 1:13:34Sean Fennessey?

  Come on, let's go.

• 1:13:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm, I'm doing my best, but like, like you were there at Vidiot's, you know, it's just, I didn't know to have the plastic bucket. And then you can't get past the plastic bucket. Did you hear about this? And then he was just like weeping in the Disney aisle. And then I was like, yeah.

• 1:13:49Speaker 03

  Do you know what would help with that?

• 1:13:50Amanda Dobbins?

  It happens.

• 1:13:50Speaker 03

  A four-hour Halo session.

• 1:13:55Speaker 03

  Just fraggin' Smalions.

• 1:13:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, listen, so I'm not crafty.

• 1:14:00Sean Fennessey?

  That would help.

• 1:14:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm not a Halloween mom, you know? I'm doing my best, but it's not, it's not where I thrive. I have other skills, but let me tell you, when that clock rolls over in November 1, Clark Griswold, here I am.

• 1:14:11Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:14:11Amanda Dobbins?

  As you know, well, well.

• 1:14:13Speaker 03

  You dress like a candy cane today.

• 1:14:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you. Yeah, thank you so much.

• 1:14:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:14:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:17Amanda Dobbins?

  And I think probably this year, as the children become like more sentient, there, there are gonna be no moving spookies this year.

• 1:14:23Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:14:24Amanda Dobbins?

  But will there be moving Santa Clauses?

• 1:14:25Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 1:14:26Amanda Dobbins?

  And I'm open to it.

• 1:14:27Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:14:27Amanda Dobbins?

  So.

• 1:14:28Sean Fennessey?

  Only Judeo-Christian decorations in your home, or?

• 1:14:32Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:14:32Amanda Dobbins?

  We have an inflatable skeleton.

• 1:14:34Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:14:35Amanda Dobbins?

  And, um.

• 1:14:36Sean Fennessey?

  But that's not for Christmas? Or is that meant to represent Christ's birth?

• 1:14:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, yeah, or also opening the tomb, you know?

• 1:14:43Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 1:14:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:46Sean Fennessey?

  Isn't that Easter?

• 1:14:47Speaker 03

  I wanna get him a manger, but it's just the baby Jesus's Master Chief from Halo. So that he knows physically the Savior.

• 1:14:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, this is a great film.

• 1:15:00Sean Fennessey?

  We're gonna absolutely crush this. Video game uncle is like, is such an elite role in life.

• 1:15:05Amanda Dobbins?

  That's fine.

• 1:15:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:06Amanda Dobbins?

  It will just, it will not cross my doorstep.

• 1:15:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:15:09Amanda Dobbins?

  It's not on my time. That's you.

• 1:15:11Sean Fennessey?

  No, hold the line.

• 1:15:12Speaker 03

  Good luck.

• 1:15:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Watch me.

• 1:15:13Sean Fennessey?

  You'll definitely win.

• 1:15:13Amanda Dobbins?

  You want, watch me.

• 1:15:14Sean Fennessey?

  You'll definitely win.

• 1:15:17Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. First of all, I love that you keep selecting problematic comic stars in all your categories. That's great. Chevy Chase, allegedly not a nice person, but is actually amazing in this movie. And in the final scene, near the final scene with Brian Doyle Murray, when he learns what his Christmas bonus is, you can make the case that's the best performance Chevy Chase has ever given. He's so funny and so enraged by what he learns.

• 1:15:39Speaker 03

  Holy shit?

• 1:15:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:42Sean Fennessey?

  So he's great. Elaine Benes, you know?

• 1:15:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:45Sean Fennessey?

  Julie Louis-Dreyfus as the next door neighbor. No piece of shit in that movie.

• 1:15:48Amanda Dobbins?

  She doesn't get it, or, you know? I feel that way about Halloween. I'm her until you get into Christmas.

• 1:15:54Speaker 03

  You're trying with Halloween. You're trying your best.

• 1:15:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm trying.

• 1:15:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I feel.

• 1:15:58Speaker 03

  What are you going as? Or you're just going as mom?

• 1:15:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm going as just mom.

• 1:16:00Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:16:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:02Speaker 03

  And you are going as?

• 1:16:03Sean Fennessey?

  Kristoff?

• 1:16:05Sean Fennessey?

  But Kristoff from Frozen 2.

• 1:16:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:07Sean Fennessey?

  So.

• 1:16:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, interesting. So what is the costume difference there?

• 1:16:10Sean Fennessey?

  The shade of tunic, I think, is a little different.

• 1:16:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Has your tunic arrived?

• 1:16:14Speaker 03

  Yes. Do you have a wig?

• 1:16:16Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I don't. I, I, I really seriously considered dying it.

• 1:16:20Speaker 03

  White? Is that what it would have been?

• 1:16:21Amanda Dobbins?

  It would be like blonde. It would be like, it would be like Tim's, Tim Simon's hair.

• 1:16:25Sean Fennessey?

  Lookin' gray.

• 1:16:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:26Speaker 03

  That would look fucking.

• 1:16:27Amanda Dobbins?

  It would look cool. You should do it.

• 1:16:29Speaker 03

  I would love that.

• 1:16:29Sean Fennessey?

  I kinda wanna do it.

• 1:16:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Why not?

• 1:16:31Sean Fennessey?

  I have nothing to lose.

• 1:16:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm, I don't know.

• 1:16:33Sean Fennessey?

  Too late now. Kristoff, I gotta be Kristoff tomorrow.

• 1:16:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, we could do it tonight, you know, or in the morning. But no, no, no. But so now I'm just looking, you're saying that you, you know, I've never dyed my hair, so I don't really know.

• 1:16:44Sean Fennessey?

  Nor have I.

• 1:16:45Amanda Dobbins?

  But I do, do you wonder whether we would have to like strip the color from your hair before then turning it blonde? Because like, yeah, so dark hair turning lighter is an issue.

• 1:16:55Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know anything about this.

• 1:16:56Speaker 03

  You would be like, oh, fine, Alien Earth, if you did it. We'd be pretty sick.

• 1:16:59Sean Fennessey?

  That's very generous of you to say that.

• 1:17:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, like him, but not.

• 1:17:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, I will be Kristoff. And yeah, Alice is, is Elsa and, and Eileen is Anna.

• 1:17:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. It's with a, it's a long, it's a ah.

• 1:17:12Sean Fennessey?

  Anna.

• 1:17:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Anna. Yeah, just so you know.

• 1:17:14Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Scandinavian, really, in origin, right?

• 1:17:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Though you're leaving, you're, you're abandoning us for Halloween.

• 1:17:20Speaker 03

  I mean, I'm, I'm sorry, I'm knocking a beer for you. You know, I love it.

• 1:17:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I know.

• 1:17:24Sean Fennessey?

  Is it because it's a pagan holiday that you won't be present?

• 1:17:27Speaker 03

  No, I'm going to England. I, but like, they have Halloween there. Maybe when I land tomorrow night, I'll be greeted by like Michael Myers, you know? That would be a cool way to bring me through customs.

• 1:17:35Sean Fennessey?

  That'd be a great way to kick off the new Halloween franchise. If Sarah gets off the plane, gets stabbed right away, right in the terminal.

• 1:17:41Speaker 03

  Um, in sequel, it's my turn, right?

• 1:17:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:17:46Speaker 03

  In sequel, I am going to take diplomatic immunity. Shout out to Joss Ackland, all my South African guys out there. And shout out to Patsy Kensit in Lethal Weapon 2, my first love.

• 1:17:59Sean Fennessey?

  Is she?

• 1:18:00Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:18:01Sean Fennessey?

  Um, you just shouted out all the, like, the part-time guys in South Africa?

• 1:18:05Speaker 03

  They all die to rest in piss, my guys.

• 1:18:09Sean Fennessey?

  Um, but who are you, who are you referencing?

• 1:18:12Speaker 03

  Uh, what do you mean?

• 1:18:13Sean Fennessey?

  The, the freed people of South, like Mandela? Like, who are you talking about?

• 1:18:16Speaker 03

  Fuck those guys. You know, even shout out, I see you dead, you know, like. When Mel Gibson puts fucking nine in your chest because you took his leg. And I get it. And you fucking pulls your house down.

• 1:18:30Speaker 03

  They don't make shit like this anymore.

• 1:18:32Sean Fennessey?

  This movie's kind of deranged.

• 1:18:33Speaker 03

  Um, this has also got the toilet explosion.

• 1:18:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yup. That's when Danny Glover's on the can.

• 1:18:38Speaker 03

  And it's got, it's got Leo Getz, right? Is Leo Getz in two or is he in three? No, he's.

• 1:18:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Pesci, you're saying?

• 1:18:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I think he's in two. Right?

• 1:18:45Speaker 03

  I'm pretty positive he's in two. And then he has a bigger role in three, right?

• 1:18:48Speaker 04

  He is in two.

• 1:18:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's right. What a fucking great movie. Honestly, what a great movie. They let Martin Riggs be happy, but then they took it away from him. And then he takes everything from them, from apartheid.

• 1:19:02Sean Fennessey?

  Well put.

• 1:19:02Speaker 03

  Free Nelson Mandela, you dumb son of a bitch. That's what he says.

• 1:19:09Speaker 03

  What a great message.

• 1:19:12Sean Fennessey?

  What's the message?

• 1:19:13Speaker 03

  Free Nelson Mandela.

• 1:19:16Sean Fennessey?

  Sometimes you just gotta say it. Like, you just gotta put it in the script, you know?

• 1:19:19Speaker 03

  You get cut together a lot of the things that I've said in this, in this episode. It's pretty weird.

• 1:19:25Sean Fennessey?

  That's true in most episodes, I think.

• 1:19:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:27Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, okay.

• 1:19:28Speaker 03

  You like this one? You have anything to say about Lethal Weapon two?

• 1:19:31Sean Fennessey?

  I think Lethal Weapon two, Lethal Weapon in general is cool. Like, I like it.

• 1:19:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:34Sean Fennessey?

  It's not in my, for you, it's a very important franchise. And I, I respect that. And I, I echo Van Lathan's why Mel, why, you know?

• 1:19:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:19:43Sean Fennessey?

  Definitely a star. I really enjoy, uh, his movies, but seems like human garbage. Um.

• 1:19:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm just saying, it's a through light of those. The eighties, a different time.

• 1:19:52Sean Fennessey?

  It was a different time. Yes.

• 1:19:54Speaker 03

  So is it gonna be called Passion of the Christ: Colon Resurrection?

• 1:19:58Sean Fennessey?

  It's Passion of the Christ: Colon Master Chief.

• 1:20:02Sean Fennessey?

  And it's set in the world of Halo. And then Christ, Christ the Redeemer comes.

• 1:20:10Sean Fennessey?

  But it's like he puts on the gear.

• 1:20:14Sean Fennessey?

  David Ellison is pumped right now.

• 1:20:19Sean Fennessey?

  Fuck, it's all coming together. That's how you do it. This is, this is money on the table.

• 1:20:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh my god.

• 1:20:26Sean Fennessey?

  Just come to the big picture, ask us what you think you should do.

• 1:20:29Speaker 03

  What is the bad guy, was it called like the Horde or something in Halo?

• 1:20:32Sean Fennessey?

  I've never played Halo.

• 1:20:33Speaker 03

  You missed out, bro.

• 1:20:34Amanda Dobbins?

  So what's up with Halo?

• 1:20:35Speaker 03

  What about it? Wait, what do you do?

• 1:20:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:38Speaker 03

  You're a guy named Master Chief. You're like a super soldier. You jump out of a spaceship and you fucking fight aliens all over the place.

• 1:20:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay. But like, are you, is it like zero gravity? Are you floating?

• 1:20:49Speaker 03

  No, you're, you're running.

• 1:20:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Where?

• 1:20:51Speaker 03

  I can't remember the name of the planet.

• 1:20:52Sean Fennessey?

  It's really funny when you slip out of character and you actually just become like the face shit lord that you are, where you're just like, it's fucking sick, bro. Like, and there's no affect, there's no irony. You were just literally like, I was sitting in my apartment, it was 2006, I was high as shit and I was playing Halo and my life was awesome.

• 1:21:11Speaker 03

  Smoking indoors playing Halo is actually the greatest human experience you can have.

• 1:21:17Sean Fennessey?

  That's pretty good. I don't, I don't really know what to do.

• 1:21:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, what do you have left?

• 1:21:22Sean Fennessey?

  Thanks for asking. Let's figure that out right now. So I've got drama, which you would think would be an easy category, and yet I feel a little bit stumped. I've got blockbuster. I guess I'll, I have to take in blockbuster Back to the Future Part Two, which I think is very, very good and is, as sequels go, a lot of fun and a huge part of the, became a huge part of the culture because of the hoverboards, because of the sports almanac, because of-

• 1:21:45Speaker 03

  Trump, right? Isn't there like a Trump thing?

• 1:21:47Sean Fennessey?

  There's a Trump thing, yes. A movie that felt prescient at the time. We still don't have hoverboards?

• 1:21:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:53Sean Fennessey?

  What's up with that? What's up with that?

• 1:21:56Speaker 03

  I mean, it's weird where they put their money into.

• 1:21:59Sean Fennessey?

  Weird what they put their money, well now it's all going into crypto.

• 1:22:01Speaker 03

  Right, but like, we could have hoverboards.

• 1:22:03Sean Fennessey?

  Have you guys like, talked about this on your other pods about how, you know, Trump is trying to devalue the dollar so that he can pump up his crypto and his family's personal wealth?

• 1:22:11Speaker 03

  I talked about that on Zach Lo's pod today.

• 1:22:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, great.

• 1:22:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I really do like when Business Chris comes on a podcast, you know?

• 1:22:18Speaker 03

  I don't know what I'm talking about.

• 1:22:19Amanda Dobbins?

  It's good.

• 1:22:20Sean Fennessey?

  Back to the Future Two-

• 1:22:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, they would just have too much debt, you know?

• 1:22:25Speaker 03

  Should there be-

• 1:22:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I did say that.

• 1:22:28Sean Fennessey?

  What did you say?

• 1:22:28Speaker 03

  I said that the problem is, is that he bought it with debt. Zazov bought it. Warner Brothers Discovery was just like laden with debt.

• 1:22:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Business Chris, yeah.

• 1:22:37Sean Fennessey?

  But he didn't personally buy it.

• 1:22:39Speaker 03

  No, but he bought it with debt, like he used debt to buy it, right? Like he was like, put it on my Discover card.

• 1:22:48Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good thing you're here.

• 1:22:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:50Sean Fennessey?

  What category did you take this in, Sean? Blockbuster. Blockbuster, okay. Which leaves me with drama and wild cards, so I guess I have to take a drama. And I don't really know what to do. Can you guys vamp for a second for me?

• 1:23:01Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, there's a bunch of movies here that.

• 1:23:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Now I'm just looking at Chris's spreadsheet.

• 1:23:07Speaker 03

  Well, it's not even a spreadsheet.

• 1:23:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I mean, this is like, we do it in the same way. Yeah. Okay, I just saw one on your long list. Don't you dare.

• 1:23:15Speaker 03

  Had you seen, um, had you seen Mithalipin 2?

• 1:23:19Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:23:20Sean Fennessey?

  I know what I'm gonna pick.

• 1:23:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:23:21Sean Fennessey?

  I know exactly what I'm gonna pick. This is not gonna win me any drafts, but I just watched it for the first time last night.

• 1:23:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:23:25Sean Fennessey?

  I said I would talk about my parents and I just saw The Fabulous Baker Boys for the first time in my life last night.

• 1:23:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, exciting.

• 1:23:32Sean Fennessey?

  Which is, was honestly terrific. And, you know, a movie that my parents definitely saw on a date night and then would not shut the fuck up about for weeks.

• 1:23:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:42Sean Fennessey?

  And when we were talking about the middle of Hollywood and what this movie is, and I read a lot about it after I watched it. So this is a, um, a drama about two brothers who are musicians, uh, played by real life brothers, Bo Bridges and Jeff Bridges. And they have had a long running kind of nightclub act where they perform piano tunes.

• 1:24:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:02Sean Fennessey?

  And, uh, Tin Pan Alley songs.

• 1:24:05Speaker 03

  Two piano, both pianos.

• 1:24:06Sean Fennessey?

  Two pianos, dueling pianos. And they've hit a bit of a snag because the club owners are growing tired of their shtick. They're not able to draw a crowd as much as they were in the past. And so they start auditioning female singers to join their act. And they run through 37 auditions and they don't find a single talented person, though they do see a very funny Jennifer Tilly in her first movie role. And. Finally, an hour and a half late, Michelle Pfeiffer, aka Susie Diamond, shows up on their doorstep. And she is bedraggled and rude and one of the hottest people who's ever lived.

• 1:24:40Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:24:40Sean Fennessey?

  And has a stunning voice. And if you've seen Grease 2, you know that Michelle Pfeiffer knows how to sing, but maybe not quite like this. And then it becomes a kind of slow-moving character study of this trio of people entrenched in this business relationship. And eventually, a love affair develops between Jeff Bridges' character and Michelle Pfeiffer. The movie, when we were kids, was legendary for this performance of Macon Whoopi, in which Michelle Pfeiffer gets on the piano and sings, and wearing this red dress, considered one of the sexiest scenes in movie history. I'd never seen it. I'd seen pictures. I'd just never seen this movie.

• 1:25:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:10Sean Fennessey?

  And

• 1:25:11Speaker 03

  Did you

• 1:25:11Sean Fennessey?

  Man, it lived up.

• 1:25:12Speaker 03

  Did you get a copy of it?

• 1:25:14Sean Fennessey?

  I bought a copy of it probably a couple of years ago. There's a Twilight Time Blu-ray that is out of print and hard to find.

• 1:25:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:21Sean Fennessey?

  And you can stream it, I guess. I'm sure it's available on Apple.

• 1:25:24Speaker 03

  I think it's in VOD, but I don't think it's available for streaming. And I would say, if you haven't seen this, this is the color of money of lounge acts.

• 1:25:32Sean Fennessey?

  Totally.

• 1:25:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:33Sean Fennessey?

  Very similar energy.

• 1:25:34Speaker 03

  I think Michael Bauhaus shot it.

• 1:25:36Sean Fennessey?

  Same cinematographer.

• 1:25:37Speaker 03

  And I think he shot Color of Money, right?

• 1:25:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, same cinematographer, a lot of smoking.

• 1:25:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:40Sean Fennessey?

  A lot of dank, dark rooms, a lot of like, every character on the periphery is kind of an asshole. It's written by Steve, written and directed by Steve Cloves, who is probably best known now as the writer of all the Harry Potter movies.

• 1:25:53Speaker 03

  He did this, he did Flesh and Bone.

• 1:25:56Sean Fennessey?

  Flesh and Bone.

• 1:25:57Speaker 03

  And then he writes like 10 Harry Potter movies, or however many Harry Potter movies.

• 1:26:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:26:02Speaker 03

  Plus is like producer or consultant on the Fantastic Beasts movies.

• 1:26:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. And he wrote this movie when he was in his twenties, because I think his parents were into this kind of music. And he remembered seeing an act on The Tonight Show, who performed in this fashion. And just one of those weird things where he just really believed in himself and was like, I'm not going to sell this script. I need to direct this movie. And it seemed like maybe at a certain point, George Roy Hill was going to come on board, help him with it, and he ultimately didn't do it. But it's just a darn good drama, and I love to discover something like this that is like a well-known movie that has been in my, on my blinders for a long time. And I say all this to say, much like Tom Cruise, Michelle Pfeiffer not winning for this performance is fucking crazy.

• 1:26:46Speaker 03

  One of the best-

• 1:26:46Sean Fennessey?

  And Jessica Tandy winning is bullshit. Like, you know, Driving Miss Daisy, whatever you think about the racial politics, it's terrible. She gives like a nice performance, but compared to what Michelle Pfeiffer is asked to do in this movie, it's night and day.

• 1:26:58Speaker 03

  One of the best character introductions is her, her tryout song that she does. And it's also like, she comes in and they're just like, well, like, where have you been playing? And she's like, well, I've been a high-class escort for the last however long. And Jeff Bridges just is like looking down, and when she says that, he kind of like looks up, and then he goes, what would you like to play for? What are you gonna sing for us today? And it's like Bridges is smoldering this movie. He is so good.

• 1:27:23Sean Fennessey?

  It's so easy to forget because of The Big Lebowski and Crazy Heart and True Grit, that he was such a stud.

• 1:27:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:33Sean Fennessey?

  He was such a heartthrob.

• 1:27:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I've never forgotten Jagged Edge, so.

• 1:27:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's a very similar era, yes.

• 1:27:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, to the Michelle Pfeiffer thing, I have always felt like slightly after like the Michelle Pfeiffer era, in the same way of like Demi Moore. It was just, we were like a bit younger, and so I like wasn't there for it, and I didn't understand what our parents were really talking about. And then you see Fabulous Baker Boys, and you're like, oh, I see.

• 1:27:58Sean Fennessey?

  For us, it was like, that was Dangerous Minds era, Michelle Pfeiffer when we were teenagers, and this is-

• 1:28:03Speaker 03

  It was like this and Tequila Sunrise, right?

• 1:28:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, that's really the heart of her thing. So anyway, that's my drama pick.

• 1:28:09Amanda Dobbins?

  That's great.

• 1:28:10Speaker 03

  Steve Klose, what's up?

• 1:28:11Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know, man. I'm such a good screenplay. There's a, there's a fight between the two of them near the end of the film, where they're kind of like lecturing each other. That's very like, if Sorkin knew how to write about the like-

• 1:28:21Amanda Dobbins?

  About women?

• 1:28:21Sean Fennessey?

  Between non-politicians. But it's just like really brilliantly written and enacted. Okay, CR, you've got two more picks, right?

• 1:28:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I have Wild Card, and I have Action Horror Thriller.

• 1:28:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:28:39Sean Fennessey?

  Can I just say, I do feel good about my board, after all that?

• 1:28:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm glad. Okay, it came around.

• 1:28:48Speaker 03

  There's what I want to pick and there's what I should pick.

• 1:28:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:28:52Speaker 03

  I'm gonna go with what I want to pick because I also want to talk about a news item that you there may not have seen. So I'm gonna pick Roadhouse for action horror thriller. And I want to talk to you about the dueling Roadhouse sequels.

• 1:29:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:29:02Speaker 03

  Did you know about this?

• 1:29:04Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible segue.

• 1:29:04Amanda Dobbins?

  So, one of them is the, is Doug Liman?

• 1:29:09Speaker 03

  One of them is-

• 1:29:10Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it's not.

• 1:29:10Speaker 03

  Guy Ritchie is supposed to direct- No, not Guy Ritchie.

• 1:29:13Sean Fennessey?

  It was gonna be Guy Ritchie and now it's another director who, whose name escapes me. So he is making the sequel to the recent Jake Gyllenhaal Amazon MGM Roadhouse.

• 1:29:21Speaker 03

  Which Jake Gyllenhaal is starring in and it's gonna be on Amazon.

• 1:29:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:29:25Sean Fennessey?

  Now Doug Liman was the director of the original remake.

• 1:29:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:29:28Speaker 03

  Doug Liman has apparently also started going forward with a sequel based on a book or screenplay-

• 1:29:36Sean Fennessey?

  Screenplay.

• 1:29:36Speaker 03

  By the original screenwriter-

• 1:29:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:29:38Speaker 03

  Who is also claiming that the copyright on the Roadhouse IP has reverted to him.

• 1:29:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Ah, okay.

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  And it is basically like a sequel to the original Roadhouse where it's like Dylan, Dylan lives or whatever, like, I mean Dylan did live, but he's out there in the world doing Roadhouse stuff. The idea that we can-

• 1:30:03Speaker 03

  Doug Liman is such a real one, man. Like, he might be out of his gourd, but like-

• 1:30:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Also, like, speaking of people where you just hear a lot of stories of just absolutely insane things that are happening, yeah.

• 1:30:13Speaker 03

  But the fact is that he's still so pissed off that Roadhouse didn't stay in theaters that he's like, "I'm going to make a different Roadhouse."

• 1:30:19Sean Fennessey?

  So, the funny thing about this is that there actually is a Roadhouse 2 that came out in 2006. It was a direct-to-video action movie. And it appears that the writer that you're referring to does have a credit on that movie. R. Lance Hill-

• 1:30:37Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:30:38Sean Fennessey?

  Whose pen name is David Lee Henry. And I think he's credited with already having made a Roadhouse 2.

• 1:30:44Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:30:44Sean Fennessey?

  Which is a movie that nobody has seen, of course.

• 1:30:45Speaker 03

  I don't know what that does to Doug Liman's and his copyright argument with the Amazon Corporation. But, uh, this is just fascinating. Besides all that, Roadhouse was one of those, when I saw it on video when I was 12 or 13, I was just like, the female form and also tearing a man's throat out are the two most important things in the world to me.

• 1:31:08Sean Fennessey?

  In this film, you get both. You get Kelly Lynch.

• 1:31:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Is 1989, is 1989 the year of the female body investigator hat?

• 1:31:15Speaker 03

  No, I was younger. Like, a little older than, I was like seven when I did that.

• 1:31:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. And then your mom made you return it?

• 1:31:22Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:31:23Sean Fennessey?

  I was really innocent?

• 1:31:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, I wasn't like, I want to inspect female bodies. I was like, I respect.

• 1:31:29Sean Fennessey?

  I like how you're presenting that as like a real counterpoint to most of the guys who get that hat. It's like, well, obviously if you buy that hat, it means you're investigating bodies.

• 1:31:36Speaker 03

  I just, I just stood with law enforcement at a young age.

• 1:31:41Speaker 03

  I was just one of Hoover's little cubs, you know?

• 1:31:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Did you have to walk back to the store to return it?

• 1:31:46Speaker 03

  I don't remember. There may have been me in the backseat of the car waiting while my mother asked why this Walgreens was selling a female body inspector hat. Anyway, Roadhouse, fuck yeah.

• 1:31:58Sean Fennessey?

  Nice pick.

• 1:31:58Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 1:31:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, really good.

• 1:32:01Sean Fennessey?

  Amanda, you've got your last two picks.

• 1:32:03Amanda Dobbins?

  I do. I have Oscar nominee and wildcard.

• 1:32:04Sean Fennessey?

  There are so many good movies left.

• 1:32:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, I know what I'm gonna do.

• 1:32:10Amanda Dobbins?

  And it's, and it's being true to myself, Chris Ryan, Christopher Ryan, if I say to you, look at this stuff, isn't it neat? Wouldn't you think my, can you, can you finish the sentence?

• 1:32:21Speaker 03

  No, what is this?

• 1:32:23Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, it's The Little Mermaid.

• 1:32:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:25Speaker 03

  I haven't seen it.

• 1:32:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:28Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, uh, it's a song.

• 1:32:29Speaker 03

  Is this a line from Henry the Fifth?

• 1:32:32Amanda Dobbins?

  From Part of Your World, which is one of the great songs written for, uh, in cinema history. It's up there with That Thing You Do and Shallow, in my opinion.

• 1:32:42Sean Fennessey?

  Thingamabobs? I've got plenty.

• 1:32:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:32:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Ariel, love Ariel.

• 1:32:45Amanda Dobbins?

  But who cares? No big deal. I want more. I mean.

• 1:32:47Sean Fennessey?

  I want more.

• 1:32:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, I, I restrain, I kept myself from not singing it, but was I singing it last night by myself?

• 1:32:55Sean Fennessey?

  I wanna be where the people are. I wanna see.

• 1:32:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Wanna see them dancing, walking along on those, what do they call it again?

• 1:33:04Speaker 03

  I thought she's, she's a mermaid, but she has.

• 1:33:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Up where they walk.

• 1:33:08Sean Fennessey?

  She has aspirations to be a human.

• 1:33:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, because of Prince Eric.

• 1:33:11Sean Fennessey?

  Because she sees Prince Eric. She saves Prince Eric from a burning ship.

• 1:33:15Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:33:15Sean Fennessey?

  That has been shipwrecked.

• 1:33:16Speaker 03

  Prince of what?

• 1:33:18Sean Fennessey?

  Uh.

• 1:33:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I, it's a great question.

• 1:33:19Speaker 03

  Portugal?

• 1:33:20Sean Fennessey?

  Really good question. Unclear. One would assume, is it based on a Hans Christian Andersen story?

• 1:33:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:27Speaker 03

  Oh, the Netherlands.

• 1:33:27Sean Fennessey?

  So you would think it would be, yes.

• 1:33:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I thought Denmark? I thought that was a Danish situation. Yeah, respect to all of Northern Europe. We understand you and see you. This is a song that also rhymes bright young women with sick of swimming, ready to stand, and ready to know what the, I mean, listen.

• 1:33:47Speaker 03

  That's Warcraft.

• 1:33:47Amanda Dobbins?

  It's a rallying cry. Um, I, when I, when Knox was first born and I would like try to sing him to sleep, I realized that there are not that many songs that I can do like acapella every single word to.

• 1:33:59Speaker 03

  From memory, yeah.

• 1:34:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but it's, um, Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You, which I know because of Heath Ledger, and 10 Things I Hate About You, and then It's Part Of Your World. Anyway, Little Mermaid just absolute, like, you know, exploded through pre-K and kindergarten. Were we running around on the playground doing the, like, you know, the ah, because Ursula, the evil octopus wants Ariel's voice. It's not a great thing to teach young women, you know, which is that you trade your voice and your sense of self in order to be able to go like, chase a random prince.

• 1:34:35Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it's a mistake.

• 1:34:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, she makes a mistake, sure. Yeah.

• 1:34:39Sean Fennessey?

  She has a trial.

• 1:34:40Amanda Dobbins?

  She does.

• 1:34:40Sean Fennessey?

  Like all the great characters, as Joseph Campbell taught us.

• 1:34:43Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, it's her priorities could use some work. It's, she's, and she's also that song.

• 1:34:48Sean Fennessey?

  She's doing it for a man.

• 1:34:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Part Of Your World is sung in a cave, in a cavern.

• 1:34:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Of stuff.

• 1:34:54Speaker 03

  It's hard for me to visualize and also tell this story to myself while you're, I'm trying to, I'm trying to put my, wrap my head around it.

• 1:35:01Amanda Dobbins?

  So it's like an underwater cave that sort of looks like an underwater Guggenheim.

• 1:35:05Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:35:05Amanda Dobbins?

  And she has like, she collects forks, she collects like, like any human object that makes it to the underworld. Cause she's really interested in life outside of the, anyway.

• 1:35:16Sean Fennessey?

  I just wanna say.

• 1:35:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Powerful film.

• 1:35:18Sean Fennessey?

  This is a great movie.

• 1:35:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:19Sean Fennessey?

  And, um, I was exposed to this movie. I did not see it in theaters at seven years old, even though I love Disney films to this day. Because I have a sister who's two years younger than me. And my sister Cara, this movie was ran her life.

• 1:35:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:35Sean Fennessey?

  When I was a little kid. And it's so funny because obviously my daughter loves this movie as well. I know all the words to every song because of my daughter now. But it's like they came back to me after having a 30 year rest.

• 1:35:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:35:46Sean Fennessey?

  And two things about that. One, God, every day, my daughter reminds me of my sister Cara so much. They look exactly the same. They have the same attitude about things. It's so weird. Anyway, the other thing is that there's a great documentary, if people have never seen it, called Howard on Disney Plus, which is about Howard Ashman, who was one of the producers of The Little Mermaid and wrote a lot of the songs. And he wrote the songs for, some of the songs for Beauty and the Beast. He wrote some of the songs for Little Shop of Horrors. And you can see him in this documentary, teaching the performers in these films, the way to deliver these songs. And it is amazing.

• 1:36:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it on Disney Plus or?

• 1:36:25Sean Fennessey?

  It's on Disney Plus. Yeah, it's really good. It came out, it definitely, it came out during COVID, I want to say, 2018, actually. But I would highly recommend, if you like The Little Mermaid.

• 1:36:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:32Sean Fennessey?

  Checking out this documentary.

• 1:36:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I do. Incredible. Thank you. I don't know if you'll ever see it, but.

• 1:36:38Speaker 03

  I mean, I'll probably see The Little Mermaid before I see this documentary about the guy writing the songs.

• 1:36:41Sean Fennessey?

  Probably. But if you want to see him teach Jerry Orbach how to sing like a candelabra, then I would recommend it. I have a whole Lumiere take too, but I'll save that.

• 1:36:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Have you seen Beauty and the Beast?

• 1:36:54Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:36:55Sean Fennessey?

  This is the one, by the way, that re-ignites, that starts the new Disney golden age.

• 1:37:00Speaker 03

  Was this one of the, was this still in the era of Disney movies where it was like available for a limited time and then it goes back on the shelf? Like there was a scarcity practice?

• 1:37:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, they had the very famous clamshell VHS tapes. We definitely own this in my house.

• 1:37:14Amanda Dobbins?

  We didn't have the clamshell, but.

• 1:37:16Speaker 03

  So I have wild card left.

• 1:37:17Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I have one.

• 1:37:18Sean Fennessey?

  One more for me.

• 1:37:19Speaker 03

  You have wild card left.

• 1:37:20Amanda Dobbins?

  This is, this is the easiest wild card that I've ever, I've ever wild carded.

• 1:37:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm not, I'm not going to do like two movie recitations in a row. I'm doing two Beverly Hills. And I was gonna do Beverly Hills, what a thrill. Beverly Hills. I saw this movie at Alice Johnson's birthday party, so it must have been like a sixth birthday, seventh birthday. Alice Johnson, who was a good friend of mine at school, and she was the girls' valedictorian in my high school because my high school was so.

• 1:37:49Sean Fennessey?

  And you guys weren't rivals.

• 1:37:51Amanda Dobbins?

  That we, no, no, no, no.

• 1:37:52Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:37:52Speaker 03

  Oh, you guys.

• 1:37:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I should have been.

• 1:37:54Sean Fennessey?

  You were the, the boys valedictorian.

• 1:37:55Amanda Dobbins?

  So I should, no, my high school boyfriend was, obviously.

• 1:37:57Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:37:58Amanda Dobbins?

  I should have been salutatorian.

• 1:38:00Speaker 03

  So he's cool.

• 1:38:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I should have been salutatorian, but let me tell you something, they waited honors classes and AP classes the same. So someone snuck in that, uh, yeah.

• 1:38:09Speaker 03

  Do you and Alice don't talk, or was that the end of that?

• 1:38:12Amanda Dobbins?

  It's fine, it's fine.

• 1:38:13Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, but you were not competitive with Alice.

• 1:38:15Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:38:15Sean Fennessey?

  You were competitive with this other girl who snuck her way to salutatorian.

• 1:38:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I wasn't even competitive with her. It was just kind of like, let's, let's be real, okay?

• 1:38:23Sean Fennessey?

  Got it, got it.

• 1:38:24Amanda Dobbins?

  But that's fine.

• 1:38:24Sean Fennessey?

  It was an I don't think about you at all situation.

• 1:38:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I don't.

• 1:38:27Speaker 03

  Which you clearly don't.

• 1:38:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, or you have not thought, really remembered it at all either.

• 1:38:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I just don't think that that's fair mathematically, but that's whatever.

• 1:38:35Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:38:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, Alice.

• 1:38:36Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think that maybe Trump could do something about this, retroactively? Or like, should we take it to the courts?

• 1:38:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Alice Johnson is great in my book because she took AP classes and also she, uh, taught me about True Beverly Hills, which is an absolutely delightful, I saw it before I saw Clueless, so it, it, that Los Angeles of True Beverly Hills, which includes the sleepover at the Beverly Hills Hotel, looms large in my mind. The, um, it reflects a similar relationship to, I guess, scouting groups that I had in my own life.

• 1:39:13Sean Fennessey?

  You were a girl scout?

• 1:39:14Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I was, no, I couldn't be a part of that. Can you imagine me doing one of the, like, the, the wilderness girls, like, trial or whatever and selling the?

• 1:39:22Sean Fennessey?

  Hard to believe you didn't make Salutatorian with that attitude.

• 1:39:28Speaker 03

  I primarily know this movie because of Jenny Lewis.

• 1:39:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:39:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, and Carla Gugino.

• 1:39:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Carla, yeah.

• 1:39:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. The, the, the seeds of all of our beloved actors and singers.

• 1:39:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Great movie.

• 1:39:38Sean Fennessey?

  Shelley Long, another person who was like insanely famous in 1989, and now if you ask the 25-year-old, who's Shelley Long, they would have no idea.

• 1:39:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, but like 51 million people watched her once a week.

• 1:39:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:39:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, this is, this is probably in the top five movies all time for Eileen.

• 1:39:55Amanda Dobbins?

  It's

• 1:39:56Sean Fennessey?

  I think she's probably seen it more than any movie.

• 1:39:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, of course. I still need, I need one of the, the books with a camera built into it. You know, I think I even like tried to make one at some point.

• 1:40:05Sean Fennessey?

  Remember that scene, but

• 1:40:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, well, that's how the assistant goes undercover with True Beverly Hills. And takes, you know, reports back to the mean red feathers.

• 1:40:16Sean Fennessey?

  I see.

• 1:40:17Amanda Dobbins?

  And head of the wilderness girls.

• 1:40:19Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting. Okay, Chris, you've got Wild Card.

• 1:40:22Speaker 03

  Uh huh. There's a lot of really, really, really

• 1:40:25Sean Fennessey?

  So much left.

• 1:40:26Speaker 03

  Good movies.

• 1:40:26Sean Fennessey?

  Should this have been a mega movie draft in retrospect?

• 1:40:29Speaker 03

  Could have been, but I, I would have wanted to have done it in a like way that focused on the like third shelf down video rentals as a category. Cause I could, I'm really split on whether to pick something that's well regarded versus what I actually watched a lot in my life. I'll split the middle and just pick Major League for Wild Card.

• 1:40:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:49Speaker 03

  I have two baseball movies. How about that?

• 1:40:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:51Speaker 03

  Major League, one of my most beloved treasured movies from this era. Movie, one of the great baseball movies.

• 1:40:58Sean Fennessey?

  Truly.

• 1:40:59Speaker 03

  Charlie Sheen, Tom Berenger, Dennis Haysbert, about Cleveland Indians season Wesley Snipes. That is where the owner wants the team to lose and the team refuses to do so. And goes on to win pennant, I believe.

• 1:41:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:41:14Speaker 03

  And just, I was just thinking about it because I was watching baseball last night. So it's like obviously on the mind. But just like a really, really great David Anspah movie that captures like not only, I, I, this movie is really hard to pull off. To have all these guys convincingly play baseball, to have like a, a professional sports fictional arc that comes off believable.

• 1:41:36Sean Fennessey?

  That's the thing is it's taking place in the world of Major League Baseball, like the, the, the Cleveland Indians at the time and the Yankees are in the movie.

• 1:41:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:43Sean Fennessey?

  You know, it feels like it's happening inside of the sport. That's something that you just don't see very often at this point, you know? Or if you do, it's like in draft day and they're talking about being the Browns, but they're not actually the Browns.

• 1:41:54Sean Fennessey?

  I watched this movie 500 times. I think this movie is so great and so fun. And also another one of those, like when you're a kid, a portal into being an adult.

• 1:42:04Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:42:04Sean Fennessey?

  Like the relationship between, is it Rene Russo and Tom Berenger?

• 1:42:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:07Sean Fennessey?

  Where I was like, that's what it's like. You date a woman like Rene Russo.

• 1:42:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:11Sean Fennessey?

  And it's complicated, but you work it out. Those are relationships. Yeah, okay, really good pick. So that was the movie that I was going to say if I want to feel like I'm trying to win, like I would take that movie, right? Because everybody loves Major League. If you've seen Major League, you like Major League. If I'm being honest with myself. Okay. The movie that I should take is Roger and Me, which is Michael Moore's documentary. It's kind of exploration, very personal film about trying to find answers from the CEO of Ford Motor Company at a time in which that the car company was significantly downsizing. It's workforce and moving a lot of its work overseas. And it's the first Michael Moore movie.

• 1:42:53Sean Fennessey?

  Like a lot of aspiring leftist kids in the 1990s, I got really interested in Michael Moore's movies. I've soured on some aspects of Michael Moore over the years, but I've always been very interested in him. I wrote a really long piece about him for The Ringer like eight or nine years ago, and just kind of how important his movies were to me. And this movie is just a fascinating example of how great documentary filmmaking can be, because this movie was a big hit. And it's very conventionally entertaining because it's so personal, because Michael Moore spends so much time talking about his family, his parents, his dad, who worked for the Ford Motor Company. Is it Ford or GM? I hope I'm not making.

• 1:43:30Speaker 03

  I can't remember.

• 1:43:31Sean Fennessey?

  It might be General Motors. I'm sorry if I'm mixing those two up. But I. GM. It's GM, thank you.

• 1:43:41Sean Fennessey?

  I don't.

• 1:43:43Sean Fennessey?

  This is probably the first documentary I've ever seen, and it obviously made a huge impact on me.

• 1:43:49Speaker 03

  I wonder, it's like this, and it's almost like Do the Right Thing, probably changed the course of your life and the way you looked at the world kind of movie, even if you didn't see it in 89 or whatever.

• 1:43:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah. And I still pop on the older ones, the first three or four Michael Moore movies, and I still have a lot of affection for them. I think that. As he, you know, after he won the best documentary feature film for, was it for Fahrenheit 9/11? And then Bowling for Columbine, and he became this like huge box office figure.

• 1:44:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. And like, and a pop culture figure.

• 1:44:20Sean Fennessey?

  Very much. And like a talk show host, or talk show guest all the time. He became very overexposed and I think that he's much more complicated now in the public eye than he was back then. But this is a big deal movie for me. So I'm gonna go with that.

• 1:44:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:44:33Sean Fennessey?

  That's the end of our draft.

• 1:44:35Amanda Dobbins?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:44:35Sean Fennessey?

  We have many, many, many honorable mentions.

• 1:44:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:44:38Sean Fennessey?

  To go through here because of how robust this year was. I'll start with a couple of like major films that just didn't get drafted.

• 1:44:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:44:47Sean Fennessey?

  Gus Van Zandt's Drugstore Cowboy.

• 1:44:50Sean Fennessey?

  One of, also one of the kind of signature independent films.

• 1:44:55Sean Fennessey?

  Casualties of War.

• 1:44:56Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:44:56Sean Fennessey?

  Brian De Palma's Vietnam film, which is just incredibly painful and difficult to watch.

• 1:45:01Speaker 03

  Is The Abyss 89?

• 1:45:02Sean Fennessey?

  James Cameron's The Abyss is 1989, his, his first journey below.

• 1:45:07Amanda Dobbins?

  De Palma's very charming in a Scorsese doc. I just.

• 1:45:10Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely.

• 1:45:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I just, I just, as soon as you said his name, I was like, oh, we didn't really talk about that, but really lovely.

• 1:45:16Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, like an actual friend, yeah. But he's like kinda competitive with him still, you know?

• 1:45:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's great.

• 1:45:22Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I like that too. I thought long and hard about Miracle Mile. Have you ever seen that movie?

• 1:45:27Speaker 03

  I thought long and hard about Miracle Mile. Yeah.

• 1:45:29Sean Fennessey?

  We're thinking long and hard about it now in the aftermath of House of Dynamite. Did you see House of Dynamite yet?

• 1:45:33Speaker 03

  I didn't. I will.

• 1:45:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Yeah, we know, we, you know.

• 1:45:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:37Amanda Dobbins?

  We, we know what you think.

• 1:45:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:45:39Sean Fennessey?

  You're too busy watching The Cemetery Down by the Graveyard? Is that the name of that show?

• 1:45:43Speaker 03

  Cemetery Road. I will, I will see, I will see House of Dead. Wait.

• 1:45:47Sean Fennessey?

  Crimes and misdemeanors, undrafted.

• 1:45:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:50Sean Fennessey?

  No thoughts?

• 1:45:50Speaker 03

  Pretty amazing. Pretty amazing movie.

• 1:45:52Sean Fennessey?

  Henry the Fifth?

• 1:45:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Thought about it. I thought about trying to be cute and being like, well, there was a Henry the Fourth.

• 1:45:57Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, you could, I was gonna try and squeeze it into sequel. Um, there's something kind of crazy.

• 1:46:06Sean Fennessey?

  What was Henry the Fourth like?

• 1:46:07Speaker 03

  Henry the Fourth, one and two, are like the young man Henry before. And there's parts of Henry the Fourth, part one and two, in Henry the Fifth, the movie.

• 1:46:16Sean Fennessey?

  I see, okay.

• 1:46:18Amanda Dobbins?

  And that's how? Yeah.

• 1:46:19Speaker 03

  Involve the Falstaff stuff. It's been wild because I feel like we're having a weird moment in pop culture where a bunch of the people from these movies are popping up and stuff. So Emma Thompson is in this series that you just dismerched. Daniel Day-Lewis, obviously in An Enemy. Like, just watching these people as very young actors.

• 1:46:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:42Speaker 03

  Still with us all these years later.

• 1:46:44Sean Fennessey?

  This is 36 years ago.

• 1:46:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:46:47Sean Fennessey?

  There's several other films. I mean, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure is this year. That's, you know, critical movie. How to Get Ahead in Advertising is this year. The Burbs, Joe Dante's The Burbs, phenomenal movie. Uncle Buck. The War of the Roses? Maybe the biggest movie not drafted here today?

• 1:47:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought about it, but, and we did a rewatchables on it. I like that movie. It's also by the time it had been, by the time I was old enough to see it, feel like it was a little outdated.

• 1:47:19Sean Fennessey?

  I see.

• 1:47:19Amanda Dobbins?

  And.

• 1:47:20Sean Fennessey?

  I still have not seen The Roses.

• 1:47:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Nor have I, I was about to say, but I got an email that it's coming to streaming at some point.

• 1:47:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:47:27Sean Fennessey?

  Weekend at Bernie's?

• 1:47:29Speaker 03

  I gotta tell you, I think I may have seen Weekend at Bernie's more than any other movie in my life.

• 1:47:35Sean Fennessey?

  I think the only movie I've seen more than Weekend at Bernie's is Weekend at Bernie's 2.

• 1:47:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:47:38Sean Fennessey?

  Which was also on cable quite a bit, growing up.

• 1:47:40Speaker 03

  Andrew McCarthy in Weekend at Bernie's is a powerhouse performance.

• 1:47:44Sean Fennessey?

  Is it?

• 1:47:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's up there with My Left Foot, Daniel Day-Lewis.

• 1:47:49Speaker 03

  Gleaming the Cube, big Slater movie for me.

• 1:47:54Speaker 03

  Police Academy 6, City Under Siege.

• 1:47:56Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:47:58Speaker 03

  Where's the Citizens on Patrol? I think this is Citizens on Patrol.

• 1:48:01Sean Fennessey?

  Police Academy 6 is City Under Siege.

• 1:48:03Speaker 03

  Okay, sorry.

• 1:48:04Sean Fennessey?

  But you just referenced it as though it were My Left Foot. And you're like, Police Academy 6, City Under Siege, of course, in the canon, one of the great films.

• 1:48:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:13Sean Fennessey?

  Certainly a movie I saw a lot. Police Academy, Major League, Look Who's Talking.

• 1:48:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:18Sean Fennessey?

  All of these, Honey, I Shrunk the Kids, Weekend at Bernie's. These are movies that I saw over and over and over again.

• 1:48:24Amanda Dobbins?

  But I prefer both Look Who's Talking 2 because.

• 1:48:28Sean Fennessey?

  That's when there's two kids.

• 1:48:29Amanda Dobbins?

  And also the animals, right?

• 1:48:32Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I thought three was.

• 1:48:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, is it three of the animals?

• 1:48:35Sean Fennessey?

  Now?

• 1:48:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, you're right. Okay. Well, anyway, the, the numbers, you know.

• 1:48:39Sean Fennessey?

  Is it, is it Roseanne in Look Who's Talking Two as the other voice? It's Bruce Willis isn't the first one, right? He's the baby.

• 1:48:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Two. Okay, let's see. Yes. And then.

• 1:48:48Sean Fennessey?

  I can't, I, I have not revisited. Look Who's Talking, right? Amy Heckerling.

• 1:48:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, Amy Heckerling. So we need to respect it. Let's see.

• 1:48:53Sean Fennessey?

  Fucking sensation. Huge hit.

• 1:48:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, it is Roseanne. You're right. And then.

• 1:48:57Sean Fennessey?

  I remember.

• 1:48:57Amanda Dobbins?

  And then the third one is the, anyway, I think Look Who's Talking Two is better than Look Who's Talking.

• 1:49:01Sean Fennessey?

  So crazy.

• 1:49:02Amanda Dobbins?

  What?

• 1:49:03Sean Fennessey?

  I don't want to spoil this, but in a movie that, that is coming out later this year, there's like a Look Who's Talking homage. Uh. Is it in Ripped? I don't want, I don't want to spoil it.

• 1:49:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Have I seen it?

• 1:49:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I don't want to spoil it. I mean, it may not be purposeful, but it's something that is represented in the both, in that film, this upcoming film and the original film. Is it in Hamlet?

• 1:49:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Um.

• 1:49:20Sean Fennessey?

  It is not.

• 1:49:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Well, now I'm trying to think about what it is.

• 1:49:23Sean Fennessey?

  I don't want to spoil it for anybody. Cause I loved it. And I don't even know how intentional it was, but if it was intentional, that's fucking sick.

• 1:49:28Amanda Dobbins?

  That's really funny. And then, wait, no, no, but then also, I also feel that Honey, I Blew Up the Kids.

• 1:49:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:49:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Is better than Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. Because the giant baby just, you know.

• 1:49:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I have a lot of affection for giant babies, given my own, but, um, I mean, there is a real psy quality to that kid.

• 1:49:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Just like, like, where do I go?

• 1:49:47Sean Fennessey?

  Honey, I Shrunk the Kids was cool as a kid.

• 1:49:48Amanda Dobbins?

  It was cool.

• 1:49:49Sean Fennessey?

  It was a cool movie.

• 1:49:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I also, I think that on the, the one time that we went to Disney World, which was lovely, I loved Disney World. I went when I was seven. And there was also, I don't know which other park had the Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.

• 1:50:04Sean Fennessey?

  Universal, probably.

• 1:50:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, like.

• 1:50:06Sean Fennessey?

  Or MGM or whatever it was. I thought it was Disney. I thought that was a Touchstone movie. I could be wrong.

• 1:50:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I have a vivid memories of like a Honey, I Shrunk the Kids branded, like, extended jungle gym. Where you would run through everything and everything was much bigger than you and you were the small kid. And that's like, that's what stayed with me even more than Space Mountain.

• 1:50:25Sean Fennessey?

  Honey, I Shrunk the Kids was Walt Disney and Buena Vista Pictures.

• 1:50:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:50:31Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, a few more to go through. The Adventures of Baron Munchausen.

• 1:50:34Speaker 03

  Terry Gilliam.

• 1:50:35Sean Fennessey?

  Terry Gilliam movie, of course. Cinema Paradiso was released in America in this year and it was nominated for Best Foreign Language Film.

• 1:50:42Speaker 03

  I see you're going on the arthouse track here. Can I shout out Jim Jarmusch's Mystery Train?

• 1:50:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, one of the best.

• 1:50:47Speaker 03

  One of the great, like, cultural mixtapes, because like it introduced me to a bunch of different stuff that I had no idea about, like Screaming Jay Hawkins and Rockabilly. And it's just an incredible hangout movie that I think is on Criterion Channel.

• 1:51:01Sean Fennessey?

  It is. I just saw Father, Mother, Sister, Brother, his new film, which is like Mystery Train, an anthology movie. Sorry to Amanda about that. I thought it was great. I really, really, really liked it. And it has a lot of, it has some Mystery Train echoes. There was a Q and A after the screening with Jim and.

• 1:51:20Speaker 03

  Was Driver there?

• 1:51:22Sean Fennessey?

  Driver was not there. I'll tell you who was there watching the film with me was Charlie XCX. She was in the screening room and she seemed to enjoy it.

• 1:51:30Speaker 03

  Did she dap you up and say, I respect your work?

• 1:51:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, she said, what's up, homie? It's me again. And I said, thank you for Brett. Other films.

• 1:51:40Amanda Dobbins?

  You didn't like Brett. You didn't. I thought it was fine. I remember. I was there. You were like, I listened to the first part and I don't need to go through with it.

• 1:51:47Sean Fennessey?

  Because it was a female musician? What was the issue?

• 1:51:50Speaker 03

  That's the problem.

• 1:51:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, okay. No One Drifts in My Left Foot, which I was gonna discuss on any of the episodes. It's like, it's pretty good.

• 1:51:56Amanda Dobbins?

  That's fine, yeah.

• 1:51:57Sean Fennessey?

  Glory?

• 1:51:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:59Speaker 03

  Probably hasn't aged great.

• 1:52:00Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:52:01Sean Fennessey?

  I've seen it at least a few times because of school. The White Gaze?

• 1:52:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. The gaze Z of the whites.

• 1:52:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. What's the, what about it?

• 1:52:12Speaker 03

  It just hasn't aged well.

• 1:52:14Sean Fennessey?

  The White Gaze of that film?

• 1:52:15Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:52:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:16Speaker 03

  The White Gaze Z in general.

• 1:52:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:19Speaker 03

  Has not aged great either.

• 1:52:21Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting.

• 1:52:21Speaker 03

  Try to mix it up a little bit.

• 1:52:23Amanda Dobbins?

  And here we all are.

• 1:52:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Fair enough. Interesting points were made. Have you guys seen A Dry White Season?

• 1:52:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:30Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:52:31Sean Fennessey?

  This is a courtroom thriller.

• 1:52:36Sean Fennessey?

  That actually, didn't it garner Marlon Brando an Academy Award nomination? I believe that it did.

• 1:52:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, he was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor. Uh, Eugene Paulsy is the director of this movie and it's also set in South Africa during apartheid. It's kind of a, would be an interesting double feature with Lethal Weapon 2.

• 1:52:55Speaker 03

  That's right, yeah, a diplomatic community.

• 1:52:58Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, more, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, not a huge fan of that one. A Nightmare on Elm Street, The Dream Child. Not the, not the best. Halloween V: The Revenge of Michael Myers, a film that should be deleted.

• 1:53:09Speaker 03

  It stinks, yeah. I'd rather watch Six, which is the Paul Rudd one, right?

• 1:53:13Sean Fennessey?

  I don't like Six very much either, but-

• 1:53:15Speaker 03

  But I'd rather watch it than-

• 1:53:15Sean Fennessey?

  Halloween Resurrection, is that Six?

• 1:53:17Speaker 03

  No, Resurrection is the reality show, correct?

• 1:53:21Speaker 04

  Resurrection is after H2O.

• 1:53:24Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, so what is Six?

• 1:53:25Speaker 03

  Six is the one where Paul Rudd plays Tommy and they're like syringing-

• 1:53:29Sean Fennessey?

  Halloween films?

• 1:53:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay, sorry.

• 1:53:30Speaker 03

  They're taking like the syringe of juice out of Michael Myers.

• 1:53:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, I remember.

• 1:53:34Speaker 03

  I think that's Six.

• 1:53:35Sean Fennessey?

  But what's it called?

• 1:53:36Speaker 03

  The Curse-

• 1:53:37Speaker 04

  Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers.

• 1:53:38Sean Fennessey?

  The Curse of Michael Myers, damn.

• 1:53:40Speaker 04

  Also quite bad.

• 1:53:42Sean Fennessey?

  It is. There's like a five consecutive bad movie run for the Halloween films.

• 1:53:47Speaker 03

  Well, it depends on how you feel about Season of the Witch.

• 1:53:50Sean Fennessey?

  No, I wouldn't include that. I think Four is okay. I think Five, Six, Seven, and Eight are bad. I know you like H2O. I know some people really like H2O. I don't care for H2O. I wanna touch you.

• 1:54:02Sean Fennessey?

  Friday the 13th, Part Eight, Jason Takes Manhattan, it's a no from me dog.

• 1:54:06Speaker 03

  Yes, but it comes at the end of a very fertile run for the Friday the 13th project.

• 1:54:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, what hap- yeah, what happens in those?

• 1:54:15Speaker 03

  Well, there's a telekinetic young girl-

• 1:54:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, sure.

• 1:54:17Speaker 03

  -who attacks Jason.

• 1:54:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 1:54:20Speaker 03

  Speaking-

• 1:54:21Sean Fennessey?

  Kind of Amanda vibes on that girl.

• 1:54:22Speaker 03

  Female stories, women empowerment, yeah.

• 1:54:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, center her. Don't center Jason.

• 1:54:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:28Sean Fennessey?

  Fletch Lives? I don't think I've seen it.

• 1:54:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't think I have either.

• 1:54:31Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think so.

• 1:54:32Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:54:33Sean Fennessey?

  I don't remember ever seeing it. Should I see it?

• 1:54:36Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I haven't, so I can't recommend it.

• 1:54:38Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, The Fly 2?

• 1:54:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:54:40Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:54:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Alright.

• 1:54:41Sean Fennessey?

  Not ideal.

• 1:54:42Speaker 03

  The Package?

• 1:54:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I like that movie. That's Gene Hackman and Ann Archer.

• 1:54:47Speaker 03

  It's Andrew Davis, right?

• 1:54:48Sean Fennessey?

  Andrew Davis directed.

• 1:54:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah!

• 1:54:49Sean Fennessey?

  And, uh, he is investigating someone being murdered. It's a little bit of a confusing...

• 1:54:58Speaker 03

  It's like a spy story, too, right?

• 1:54:59Sean Fennessey?

  Is it JT Walsh who's murdered in the first few minutes?

• 1:55:02Speaker 03

  Damn spoiler.

• 1:55:04Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it happens like the first minute.

• 1:55:05Speaker 03

  When JT goes out in a movie, you know it's a good one.

• 1:55:06Sean Fennessey?

  I agree. If JT Walsh gets shot in the head, A+ film.

• 1:55:11Amanda Dobbins?

  No one has said the word Steel Magnolias at any point.

• 1:55:14Speaker 03

  Wow!

• 1:55:15Sean Fennessey?

  Wow!

• 1:55:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, we said diabetes, but we didn't say Steel Magnolias.

• 1:55:19Speaker 03

  I made a joke about it. I was, I was like, I was wondering if you were gonna take it. Are you a fan of this film?

• 1:55:23Amanda Dobbins?

  No, not really.

• 1:55:24Sean Fennessey?

  You've said that before. I find that interesting. For all your Julia fandom and your quest for empowerment.

• 1:55:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, yeah, everyone's really...

• 1:55:30Speaker 03

  And your interest in beauty?

• 1:55:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, yeah, everyone's really empowered in that one, yeah.

• 1:55:35Speaker 03

  Who's like, is it Tom Skerritt is the dad in this?

• 1:55:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Sounds right.

• 1:55:39Speaker 03

  And Sam Shepard is Dolly Parton's boyfriend?

• 1:55:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I mean, that's important.

• 1:55:44Speaker 03

  Who's kind of a bad guy, but then really shows up at the end?

• 1:55:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, yeah.

• 1:55:46Speaker 03

  When Shelby doesn't drink her juice?

• 1:55:49Sean Fennessey?

  You know what's a film I haven't seen?

• 1:55:51Amanda Dobbins?

  What?

• 1:55:51Sean Fennessey?

  Music Box, which is stars Jessica Lange. She got a Academy Award nomination for this movie. It's her and Armin Mueller-Stahl. And it's about a Hungarian immigrant played by Mueller-Stahl, who is accused of being a war criminal. It starts with Kostigovras, directed Z and State of Siege, plenty of good movies. And, um, it's written by Joe Esterhaus.

• 1:56:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:56:16Sean Fennessey?

  Of Basic Instinct.

• 1:56:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I'm aware.

• 1:56:18Sean Fennessey?

  Sliver. Perhaps you've heard of him?

• 1:56:20Speaker 03

  I was gonna throw out, uh, along those same lines is a movie that I watched a bit of, and I think I saw when I was younger, but, or like on cable or something, but I watched a bit of last night, which is True Believer, which is a Curtis Hansen movie with James Woods and Robert Downey Jr., uh, about a defense attorney taking on an unwinnable case.

• 1:56:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, sure.

• 1:56:41Speaker 03

  Kind of like his attempt at, like, the verdict, but it was pretty good what I watched of it. Um, there was one other, Morgan Freeman Lean on Me. That was a huge movie that year.

• 1:56:51Sean Fennessey?

  I loved that movie.

• 1:56:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, um, and...

• 1:56:55Speaker 03

  Harlem Nights, really awesome. And then Tango and Cash.

• 1:56:59Sean Fennessey?

  I can't believe you didn't, did this, maybe it came out in 1990. Did The Unbelievable Truth come out in 1990 in the US?

• 1:57:07Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:57:07Amanda Dobbins?

  The Hal Hartley movie?

• 1:57:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. It's listed as 89, but its release date might have been 1990. Speaking of Long Island figures and growing up there.

• 1:57:16Speaker 03

  He is selling those on his site.

• 1:57:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, the Blu-ray of his films, yeah. Not all of them, though, I think. Only some of them, or maybe some of them are sold out. I think I might have bought a couple.

• 1:57:26Speaker 03

  It sounds like it was more of a 90 movie because it came out, it got to Sundance in 90.

• 1:57:30Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Couple of other ones. Jane Campion's Sweetie is this year. Brian Yezniz's Society, one of the most amazing body horror movies of all time is this year. See No Evil, Hear No Evil, another movie that was on cable nonstop. Is that the last prior and wilder movie? It might be.

• 1:57:48Speaker 03

  Are you a Blake Edwards guy?

• 1:57:49Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 1:57:50Speaker 03

  Skin Deep?

• 1:57:52Sean Fennessey?

  Was that this year?

• 1:57:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:57:53Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, that's pretty good. Let It Ride, incredible gambling comedy with Richard Dreyfuss. I wanted to recommend to listeners of the show Notebook on Cities and Clothes. Are you guys familiar with this?

• 1:58:05Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:58:06Sean Fennessey?

  Also a documentary made by Vim Venders about Yoji Yamamoto and All About Japan and Yoji's history as a fashion designer. Very, very good film. I think that's all I got.

• 1:58:19Speaker 03

  Should we recap?

• 1:58:20Amanda Dobbins?

  No license to kill for you from your favorite Bond?

• 1:58:22Speaker 03

  Honestly, not a Dalton guy at all.

• 1:58:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, no, who is?

• 1:58:25Speaker 03

  I don't know, but he's really been lost to history. I wonder when that will get reclaimed.

• 1:58:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Reclaimed.

• 1:58:31Sean Fennessey?

  Pet Sematary.

• 1:58:33Speaker 03

  There's two Fred Gwynn movies I like this year. Disorganized Crime.

• 1:58:36Sean Fennessey?

  Never seen it.

• 1:58:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:37Sean Fennessey?

  Sea of Love?

• 1:58:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, that's obviously a cool text. I fucked up. I fucked up and I took.

• 1:58:44Sean Fennessey?

  You took Field of Dreams. You could have taken Sea of Love.

• 1:58:45Speaker 03

  Or I took Roadhouse and I could have taken Sea of Love.

• 1:58:48Sean Fennessey?

  Fucked up. That's rough. What about Dead Calm?

• 1:58:51Speaker 03

  That's a good one.

• 1:58:52Sean Fennessey?

  Seen Dead Calm?

• 1:58:53Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:58:54Sean Fennessey?

  Nicole Kidman is trapped on a boat with her husband Sam Neill and a deranged guy, Billy Zane.

• 1:59:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes!

• 1:59:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:03Amanda Dobbins?

  So.

• 1:59:03Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible film.

• 1:59:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, really, really.

• 1:59:05Sean Fennessey?

  Great thriller.

• 1:59:07Speaker 03

  Sam Neill was only in fucked up movies.

• 1:59:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:09Speaker 03

  At this time period.

• 1:59:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. Jurassic Park, probably the most fucked up movie ever made. They fucking invented dinosaurs.

• 1:59:15Speaker 03

  What was the Wes Craven? No, the John Carpenter that he's in.

• 1:59:17Sean Fennessey?

  In the Mouth of Madness. A plus film, five star classic. He's also in Possession, of course.

• 1:59:25Sean Fennessey?

  This is a fuck ton of good movies this year.

• 1:59:27Amanda Dobbins?

  It was great stuff.

• 1:59:28Sean Fennessey?

  You guys have any closing thoughts before we wrap?

• 1:59:31Speaker 03

  I enjoyed myself.

• 1:59:32Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, why don't, Amanda, you had first pick, so why don't you start off the recapping?

• 1:59:36Amanda Dobbins?

  So am I reading from, am I reading drama, comedy, action, or I'm reading the order of what?

• 1:59:40Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, live your truth.

• 1:59:41Amanda Dobbins?

  In blockbuster, I have one, Harry Met Sally. In action horror thriller, Ghostbusters 2. In comedy, Heathers. In drama, Born on the Fourth of July. In sequel, I believe I have National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, though the camera is blocking it. I don't know what's in round five.

• 1:59:58Speaker 03

  Little Mermaid.

• 1:59:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Little Mermaid. In Oscar nominee and in, am I, am I missing something?

• 2:00:03Speaker 03

  Beverly Hills.

• 2:00:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's wild card. I just didn't know whether I covered everything.

• 2:00:06Sean Fennessey?

  You did, you did. Everything's gonna be okay.

• 2:00:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I can't see, you know?

• 2:00:11Sean Fennessey?

  You've done a great job.

• 2:00:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you.

• 2:00:12Sean Fennessey?

  You're a working mother. You're getting through it.

• 2:00:14Speaker 03

  You fucking love Star Wars.

• 2:00:17Sean Fennessey?

  You've learned a lot about Master Chief today. This has been helpful.

• 2:00:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 2:00:22Speaker 03

  In my first pick, I took Do the Right Thing in drama. In my second pick, I took Field of Dreams, an Oscar nominee. Third, I took Dead Poets Society in blockbuster.

• 2:00:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Comedy? No, blockbuster, you're right.

• 2:00:36Speaker 03

  I took Parenthood fourth in comedy.

• 2:00:39Amanda Dobbins?

  You have Lethal Weapon in sequel, you have Road House, sure.

• 2:00:43Sean Fennessey?

  It's kind of a nice microcosm of some of our studio issues here.

• 2:00:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Road House in action horror thriller, and you have Major League and Wildcard.

• 2:00:50Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 2:00:50Amanda Dobbins?

  There you go.

• 2:00:50Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, you're gonna have to help me on the bottom as well, Amanda, but in action, in action horror thriller, I got Tim Burton's Batman. In sequel, I got Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. In Oscar nominee, I got Sex, Lies and Videotape. In comedy, I got Say Anything.

• 2:01:07Speaker 03

  You had Back to the Future Part Two in sequel, Fabulous Baker Boys in drama.

• 2:01:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 2:01:11Speaker 03

  And Roger and Me.

• 2:01:12Amanda Dobbins?

  And Wildcard.

• 2:01:13Sean Fennessey?

  Great.

• 2:01:15Sean Fennessey?

  Back to the Future Part Two in blockbuster.

• 2:01:17Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 2:01:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 2:01:19Speaker 03

  Well, we could, next time, we'll just do it the other way.

• 2:01:21Sean Fennessey?

  Next time, we will do it with no cameras. And we won't record it.

• 2:01:25Speaker 03

  And no notes.

• 2:01:26Sean Fennessey?

  And we'll just sit here quietly.

• 2:01:27Speaker 03

  And we'll be like, we're in the forties.

• 2:01:31Sean Fennessey?

  And everyone will say, where's the new draft? And we said, we did it for us.

• 2:01:35Speaker 03

  Great to see you guys. This was a pleasure.

• 2:01:36Sean Fennessey?

  So you are leaving for six months.

• 2:01:39Speaker 03

  For two weeks.

• 2:01:39Sean Fennessey?

  And you're not coming back.

• 2:01:40Speaker 03

  For two weeks.

• 2:01:41Amanda Dobbins?

  We're gonna miss you.

• 2:01:41Speaker 03

  I hope that the air traffic controllers are kinda on their, you know, I hope.

• 2:01:46Sean Fennessey?

  Are you gonna say on their best behavior?

• 2:01:47Speaker 03

  No, get paid.

• 2:01:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:49Speaker 03

  And are happy and safe and.

• 2:01:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, pay them.

• 2:01:53Speaker 03

  Seeing all the sightlines.

• 2:01:54Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. That was very convincing.

• 2:01:59Sean Fennessey?

  What are we doing later this week? Later this week, we have number six on 25 for 25.

• 2:02:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:02:04Sean Fennessey?

  How do you feel about that?

• 2:02:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I feel good about it. I gotta do some prep.

• 2:02:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, I do as well. Not one to be taken lightly is number six, is what I will say.

• 2:02:13Amanda Dobbins?

  You wanna guess what it is, Chris?

• 2:02:14Speaker 03

  Rise of Skywalker.

• 2:02:15Sean Fennessey?

  That's it. Thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Thanks to CR, the goat. Appreciate you, brother. We'll see you soon.

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