The Baseball Movie Draft

Batter up! Sean and Amanda are joined by Chris Ryan and Mallory Rubin to draft some of their favorite movies focused on one of their biggest shared interests: baseball. They break down what makes baseball movies so special, explain the new (and somewhat controversial) categories, and, most importantly, draft. (0:00) Intro (1:19) Why baseball movies are the best sports movies (17:27) The categories and draft order (25:11) The Baseball Movie Draft (1:29:47) Honorable mentions and draft recap Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guests: Chris Ryan and Mallory Rubin Producer: Jack Sanders Production Support: Lucas Cavanagh Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can choose to bundle and save with the Personal Price Plan®. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there®. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:15Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Sean Fennessey.

• 0:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm Amanda Doughton.

• 0:17Sean Fennessey?

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• 2:08Speaker 02

  To watch or to watch movies about?

• 2:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Or to play.

• 2:12Sean Fennessey?

  To, oh, oh.

• 2:13Speaker 02

  Well, to play, it's baseball.

• 2:14Sean Fennessey?

  To watch?

• 2:15Speaker 02

  All metro catcher? Soccer.

• 2:17Sean Fennessey?

  To watch movies about?

• 2:19Speaker 02

  Baseball.

• 2:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:21Sean Fennessey?

  Same three questions for you, Amanda.

• 2:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Favorite sport to play? I'd like to say tennis, parentheses, aspirational. To watch? Yeah, probably baseball. And movies, for sure, baseball.

• 2:38Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm, interesting. Mel?

• 2:40Speaker 03

  Baseball across the board. Adam and I have been playing catch.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  Your husband, Adam.

• 2:45Speaker 03

  My husband, Adam, right, sorry. This is not House of Armor. You know, he's a character on that podcast. My husband, Adam, and I have, you know, we got new gloves when I was training for Camden Yards this summer and just have kept just tossing the ball around. Got some soft, indoor-friendly balls so we don't have to leave our home. And it's been lovely. It's been great.

• 3:04Sean Fennessey?

  You're gonna catch in your home.

• 3:05Speaker 03

  We play inside while we watch sports. It's honestly really wonderful.

• 3:08Sean Fennessey?

  You guys are like two 13-year-old boy roommates growing up, you know? Just tossing the ball around.

• 3:14Speaker 03

  Kind of, yeah. We're companions, definitely. And yeah, I'd like to get back out on the diamond, maybe hit the batting cage at some point. So baseball's fun to play. I like to play football, too. I like to swim. Certainly, baseball's my favorite sport to watch, though I enjoy football as well and baseball movies, it's, nothing's even close. Yeah, nothing's close.

• 3:31Speaker 02

  What about you?

• 3:32Sean Fennessey?

  Baseball is my favorite sport, though I think watching baseball versus watching football is pretty neck and neck. I still love watching professional football as much as anything. Favorite sport to play is still probably basketball, you know, about-

• 3:43Speaker 03

  I like playing basketball, too.

• 3:44Sean Fennessey?

  10 years ago, Chris and I and your husband and our friend John went on a trip to Texas and we spent an afternoon at the batting cages.

• 3:54Amanda Dobbins?

  That was Zach's bachelor party.

• 3:56Speaker 02

  You spent a lot of that playing Guitar Hero. Not, I'm, this is, I'm not trying to take away your moment here, but I still have a photo of you-

• 4:02Sean Fennessey?

  I did play Guitar Hero.

• 4:03Speaker 02

  -screaming on Guitar Hero as five seven-year-olds are like, oh my god.

• 4:06Amanda Dobbins?

  So this was in public? The Guitar Hero?

• 4:11Speaker 02

  It was at an arcade batting cage.

• 4:12Sean Fennessey?

  There was a batting cage at the arcade and we went to the batting cage and I think all four of us played baseball growing up, but we got in the cage and, you know, whatever, we hit the ball, we didn't hit the ball. The issue was really more like how we felt afterwards-

• 4:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 4:24Sean Fennessey?

  -because of all the muscles that were required to be used-

• 4:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, yeah.

• 4:27Sean Fennessey?

  -while swinging a bat, which if you don't keep up with it, and I haven't played baseball since I was 19, is brutally painful, so playing is still probably basketball. Movies?

• 4:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:38Sean Fennessey?

  I guess it's probably baseball, although I will say, I thought this was an amazing idea when I came up with it and then now I'm like, there's fewer than 75 baseball movies. I mean, there's really not a lot of baseball movies, especially not a lot of truly great ones. You've got this like upper rung of seven to 10 films that are all-time classics. And then after that, it's a lot of personal favorites. I wonder why that is? Any theories?

• 5:02Speaker 02

  I was curious, because like, you know, obviously the 90s is this high watermark for the subgenre of baseball movie and it ties in, I guess nicely-ish with Sosa and McGuire and the revival of the game.

• 5:15Amanda Dobbins?

  And the Atlanta Braves. Yeah.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  Atlanta Braves, that was sort of a low point for me.

• 5:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, listen, listen, I renounced them.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  Uh-huh.

• 5:24Amanda Dobbins?

  They moved to Cobb County.

• 5:26Speaker 02

  You invoked them.

• 5:27Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't fuck with Cobb County, but I was there in the 90s. So I was there literally at Fulton County Stadium in the 90s.

• 5:34Sean Fennessey?

  If I can have any team deleted from the historical record, it would be those teams. They went to the World Series like nine times, only won once.

• 5:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I know. In 1995.

• 5:43Sean Fennessey?

  Incredibly uncool and boring, bunch of dorky white guy pitchers. They sucked, fuck them.

• 5:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 5:49Sean Fennessey?

  That's how I feel. I feel that way to this day and they absolutely dominated my team this year.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  But I wonder whether or not we hold baseball movies in a certain regard because we came of age-

• 5:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Absolutely, yes.

• 5:58Speaker 02

  -during the-

• 5:59Sean Fennessey?

  Totally.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  -the sort of glory days-

• 6:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Late 80s and early 90s in particular.

• 6:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that was, I mean, the 90s were the second golden age, right?

• 6:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I think that one of the joys, if you're a baseball fan, but even if you aren't, is that baseball movies give you something to love. If you're a baseball fan, if there's something about baseball, the anguish that baseball is like uniquely equipped to deliver into your life, because if you've invested in a team 162 games a year, spring training, maybe the playoffs and they let you down, it is a unique type of pain, very reminiscent of an actual relationship in your real life, but if they bring you joy, there's just nothing like it. There's just nothing like it and the excuse that a baseball team gives you every day, not only to engage with that team and the community, but the other people in your life who love it? Like texting my dad, I live in LA, he lives in Baltimore, we both are watching the O's, we text about it every day, it's the best.

• 6:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 6:44Speaker 03

  So the fact that baseball movies can capture those doldrums, those lows-

• 6:47Sean Fennessey?

  That's me and Jack, by the way.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  I mean, yeah. I'm just always waiting to hear from Jack.

• 6:51Sean Fennessey?

  Father and son chatting about Carson Binge.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  I got some Pete Alonso correspondence from Jack this season. Not as much as I would have liked to at the end of the season, when he became the first player ever to lead both the American League and the National League in RBI. Any comments?

• 7:03Sean Fennessey?

  RBI? That archaic stat for meatheads?

• 7:06Speaker 03

  Also led the American League in home runs this year. Just throwing that out there.

• 7:08Sean Fennessey?

  How many wins did you guys have this season?

• 7:10Speaker 02

  Are we in the way?

• 7:11Speaker 03

  79, it's fine.

• 7:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I want to go back to how a fruitless 162-game season mirrors the relationships in your life.

• 7:18Speaker 03

  It just peaks your valley's highs and lows, you know?

• 7:23Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 7:24Speaker 03

  You go through all of it, you go through all of it. It, there feels like something authentically lived about baseball fandom that's just, I think, distinct. And like the movies can be so deeply religious and poetic and literary and lyrical and they can also be hysterical and so many of the characters in a baseball movie are going through some, like, reaching some extraordinary peak of achievement and so many of them are just like, I gotta like put my jockstrap on for the fucking six months in a row, you know?

• 7:50Speaker 02

  Me doing the watch.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  Captain Kirk.

• 7:52Sean Fennessey?

  All the myriad podcasts on this network. Your team is going to the playoffs this year.

• 7:56Speaker 02

  They are. We're releasing this on Wednesday, so there will be no peacocking from me about this. Who knows what could happen Tuesday night?

• 8:01Sean Fennessey?

  Any thought, I mean, obviously you had a tricky end to the season, but you did get in.

• 8:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, almost a near historic collapse.

• 8:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, in September instead of October this year.

• 8:12Speaker 02

  Yes, and a nucleus of guys who have perhaps-

• 8:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Excuse me, like, I haven't been sitting, living through it.

• 8:18Sean Fennessey?

  You have a collection of 34-year-old men-

• 8:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:21Sean Fennessey?

  -who were, this is kind of one last hurrah.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  I don't even know, they all have 10-year contracts, I mean, so like-

• 8:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I expect to, this is just my theory and of course I'm not a Phillies fan, but I expected a dramatic falloff for the two remaining-

• 8:36Speaker 02

  Schwaber and Harper.

• 8:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  Trey Turner's already there, they're gonna go join in.

• 8:39Sean Fennessey?

  I think, I think-

• 8:41Speaker 02

  I would imagine if we're doing baseball, like, I would imagine Don Mattingly is going to be leaving the club at the end of the season and that Alex Cora will come in and hopefully maybe we'll trade one of our big bads to get some depth, some, change the team up a little bit.

• 9:00Sean Fennessey?

  The Philly season, though, I think you could reasonably say, if they go all the way, would be, it has kind of the makings of-

• 9:06Speaker 02

  Yes, nobody leaves in us.

• 9:07Sean Fennessey?

  -a storybook baseball Hollywood movie, you know?

• 9:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 9:10Sean Fennessey?

  Like, a bunch of guys you've spent a lot of time with over the years, you've kind of given up on them and yet there might still be a little magic in there, because the baseball playoffs are just about getting hot. If you get hot for six weeks, you can change a franchise's entire relationship to the team and history. And, and the movies are, I think the best movies are really good at that. And a lot of the movies are about like kind of signing up for a season with the team, which I really enjoy. Baseball movies are about 100 years old. Speedy, the silent comedy from 1928, features a hardcore Yankees fan as the protagonist and we don't have very many of them now and yet next year, we have not one but two studio comedies about baseball.

• 9:52Speaker 03

  It's time, baseball's back.

• 9:53Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think so?

• 9:54Speaker 02

  Right, got to the strike, yeah.

• 9:56Speaker 03

  Well, there you go. Give us some form of baseball if we can't watch the actual games. I mean, it feels like there's a little bit of a return, right? That there are a lot of good young players and people have been hyped the last couple of years.

• 10:08Sean Fennessey?

  A couple of years ago, obviously improved things, right?

• 10:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, pace of play initiatives. Games are shorter, more people are watching, I mean, maybe not borne out by statistics, but they, they can spin it, you know, to say that's true.

• 10:16Sean Fennessey?

  I don't, you watch a lot of baseball? Is baseball back?

• 10:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know.

• 10:20Speaker 03

  Never went away for me.

• 10:22Amanda Dobbins?

  It never went away for you. I did grow up in a home where the baseball game would be on every night. That was sort of, we weren't a huge TV household, but that, that was allowed and it was sort of like the-

• 10:33Sean Fennessey?

  Superstation, yeah.

• 10:34Amanda Dobbins?

  -the background noise, of course.

• 10:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 10:36Amanda Dobbins?

  And so I am used to baseball as kind of like a, like a companion-type entertainment and the way that I think a lot of people use like cable news now. And we haven't had it on that much-

• 10:47Sean Fennessey?

  Different effective-

• 10:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, different effect, for sure.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  She looked right happy.

• 10:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, you go to Kealan Collins.

• 10:53Amanda Dobbins?

  You are the MSNBC mom in my life.

• 10:56Speaker 02

  Those are my gals. The MSNBC Supremes, I love them, yeah.

• 11:01Sean Fennessey?

  All still in the mix?

• 11:02Speaker 02

  I don't really watch her a lot. I watch, um, god, I did somebody's show for LeBron.

• 11:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  What did I do? And I was like, this is big for me.

• 11:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no. Great, and now you can't remember who's who.

• 11:13Speaker 02

  It was like Casey Hunt.

• 11:14Sean Fennessey?

  Was it Katie Tur?

• 11:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  No, it was not.

• 11:17Amanda Dobbins?

  You would remember.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  The girl I did it with is from Philly.

• 11:19Sean Fennessey?

  Also CR gal.

• 11:20Speaker 02

  She's like, I think she went to high school or Zach White.

• 11:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 11:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, a Quaker in the mix.

• 11:27Amanda Dobbins?

  We haven't had it on that much this year. I don't know. And you know, what's interesting is that finally, DirecTV and Sports Spectrum, all of the local news oligarchs in Southern California, straightened things out so I could just pay directly for a Dodgers subscription.

• 11:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Rather than paying three times to not be able to watch the Dodgers. And then we didn't even watch that, so.

• 11:50Speaker 03

  It's one of my favorite moments in Big Pick history. I'm going off the dome here, but I want to say it was the Monkey Man pod. Does that sound right? We're in the middle of that podcast. And I happen to have a very, very like significant memory of this because I was stuck in a one hour, seven minute attempt to leave Angel Stadium parking lot. So I was at a baseball game. You just started talking about the Mets and then you started railing against the limits of LA.

• 12:13Amanda Dobbins?

  We had MLB League Pass. Plus, we paid for YouTube TV.

• 12:18Speaker 03

  Doesn't matter.

• 12:19Amanda Dobbins?

  And it does not matter. There was nothing that I could do to pay. And they did fix that. And then we didn't turn it on.

• 12:23Sean Fennessey?

  The good news is the finances of the Dodgers are great. Everything's going to be perfectly fine since they figured out that issue. I think that that colors a little bit of the baseball season. If not, I'll be curious to see if that infects any of the relationship to the two movies that are coming out next year. But like, the Dodgers thing, I think, has put a little bit of a pall over the sport over the last few years. And this feels like we've reached maximum Dodgers frustration, where it's like very evident that there's some criminal enterprise underneath the experience of that team. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not officially indicting the man. I have no legal power.

• 13:00Amanda Dobbins?

  It's just one man's opinion.

• 13:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, you know.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  Do you think that Moneyball killed baseball movies?

• 13:07Amanda Dobbins?

  You mean Moneyball? Oh.

• 13:09Sean Fennessey?

  The movie or the philosophy?

• 13:10Speaker 02

  The movie, well, first of all, like, it tries its hardest in that film to create a romance out of statistical analysis and advanced analytics.

• 13:19Speaker 03

  Sure. I can't be romantic about baseball.

• 13:21Speaker 02

  But like, for lack of a better phrase, it's almost like too good. And then like, after that, there's like this kind of like retrenchment of like, all right, so like, what would a baseball movie in a world where people know what warp and war are? What do you think?

• 13:37Speaker 03

  It's really interesting. I hadn't thought about that. I think there's probably something to that. I think there's also just something to the state of the world and the cynical headspace that we all share. We're like, I don't know, a lot of baseball movies, and I say this with like, love and from a position of gratitude for this, but they're incredibly corny and incredibly saccharine. And they require you to give yourself over to that feeling, right? They're often about some sort of connection to yourself, to your community, to your family, to of somebody across time, right? To your sense of capacity and achievement. And like, I don't know, there have been good baseball movies since Moneyball. Like, Everybody Wants Some was delightful, but that's not necessarily the most widely seen baseball movie.

• 14:21Speaker 03

  Not, nor was it intended to be, right? But the way that people would point to the movies from the late 80s and early 90s in particular and say those were some of the defining films, to your point from earlier, Chris, like of our childhood or of that moment in time, that, that doesn't feel true anymore.

• 14:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, there are two post-Moneyball baseball movies that I, I hold very dearly. Neither are about the fable fairy tale Cleveland team that goes to the World Series or, you know.

• 14:50Amanda Dobbins?

  They're not even really about, well, they're neither, not about the majors. And if I'm guessing the two correctly, one is about, one is like a game, but it's really about everything that happens in and around the world of the game. That's Ifas. And then Everybody Wants Some is about dudes rocking, you know, adjacent to a baseball team. Did, did the way that we, I was going to say we, like, I watch a lot of sports, but the way that watching sports change, changed the way that we relate to any of these movies? I mean, it does feel like there's so much extracurricular sports watching. I'm thinking about fantasy leagues and all of the other content that, that so much of being a fan is outside of the game.

• 15:33Amanda Dobbins?

  And most of the movies before Moneyball are like about, there is a climactic game in a professional, in the sports league.

• 15:42Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's, it's an insightful question. I'm not sure that that, it infects the enjoyment of baseball movies so much as just the market forces of them not being appealing to audiences. The reason why it felt like the 90s was this boom time, for me specifically, is because there's a period between 1992 and 1996 where they're making a ton of baseball movies for kids.

• 16:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:06Sean Fennessey?

  And those movies, I saw every single one of them in movie theaters, and they're all quite unusual.

• 16:10Speaker 03

  They're all fucking great.

• 16:12Sean Fennessey?

  At the time, at least, they were very charming.

• 16:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:16Sean Fennessey?

  And that was, you know, that generation of, of baseball fans really fell in love with the stars of the sport and thus fell in love with the sport and thus fell in love with all the surrounding material around it. Moneyball, the book, and what it did to the sport itself may also have infected downstream our ability to enjoy and even just narrativize the sport on screen. Plus, it obviously has fallen pretty clearly into third or maybe even fourth place in terms of big American sports.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, and that, there's like a kind of counterintuitive aspect to that, where on the one hand, the fact that maybe baseball is a little bit less central in the public consciousness and to the shared experience makes it, for the studios or filmmakers, less like, oh, this is a sure thing. This is going to be a winner to make a movie about baseball just because of the question of like, despite my prior baseball's back statement, do people care about baseball? Are they going to get excited? But I think the, the flip side of that, too, is like, I know you said earlier, there haven't been that many baseball movies, but 70 some is, that's, that's not nothing. Whereas like, now, obviously, F1 is just Top Gun and cars, but that's tapping into a new boom of American fandom, like a fledgling group of people who are saying, I'm interested in this for the first time. I watched Drive to Survive.

• 17:25Speaker 03

  I want to, oh, I've been thinking about is F1 for me, maybe I'll check out this movie. You know, wrestling movies, boxing movies, like, there's just like a, we're not just making baseball, basketball, football movies all the time.

• 17:37Sean Fennessey?

  There's a huge component to this, too, which is that it's really hard to look like you're credibly playing baseball at a high level. Like, just to look like you're a pro player.

• 17:45Speaker 03

  Unless you're Kevin Costner.

• 17:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, and there have been a few stars who have gone back to the well a few times because they, they are so credible. We, you know, I know you saw Primetime, I don't know if you saw Primetime.

• 17:53Speaker 03

  Not yet.

• 17:54Sean Fennessey?

  This is not even a spoiler, but there is a scene in which Robert Pattinson has a catch and throws a baseball.

• 17:59Speaker 03

  Obviously, he did.

• 18:00Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty credibly, I thought.

• 18:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, sure.

• 18:02Sean Fennessey?

  But like.

• 18:03Amanda Dobbins?

  This is revisionist history on your part.

• 18:04Sean Fennessey?

  Well, relatively speaking, given his British heritage.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  Do we think Skylar Gisando in that scene is faking being bad at throwing?

• 18:11Sean Fennessey?

  I asked that question on the pod. I don't know. Presumably, yes.

• 18:14Amanda Dobbins?

  My answer was yes.

• 18:15Sean Fennessey?

  But it was pointed out to me, of course, and this may come up in terms of what you think qualifies as a baseball movie, but Robert Pattinson plays baseball in Twilight.

• 18:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course. The Twilight baseball scene is.

• 18:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, great, okay, so point of order.

• 18:26Speaker 02

  You've opened up Pandora's box.

• 18:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, well, you.

• 18:29Speaker 02

  There's, we should talk about the categories for this draft, which are the usual drama, comedy, at Sean added, kids movie and wild card.

• 18:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, and high concept.

• 18:39Speaker 02

  Based on a true story and high concept. Now, for either high concept or wild card.

• 18:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 18:44Speaker 02

  If you're taking high concept to mean, this is a high concept pick by me.

• 18:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 18:50Speaker 02

  Or.

• 18:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Interesting. No, Wildcard should be.

• 18:53Speaker 02

  Or Wildcard.

• 18:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Wildcard should be baseball scene and not baseball movie. This was going to be my pitch.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  Okay, so baseball parentheses, basically.

• 18:59Speaker 03

  Wildcard could be anything.

• 19:00Sean Fennessey?

  I'll make Wildcard can be anything in the world of baseball related to movies.

• 19:04Speaker 03

  Right. So it could just be another baseball movie or it could be a documentary, but you could also do this, just someone engages with baseball here.

• 19:10Sean Fennessey?

  I was thinking of a very broad definition for Wildcard.

• 19:11Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 19:12Sean Fennessey?

  I'm, I'm down with your high, I was thinking of it, high concept, meaning high concept on the page, the premise of the movie.

• 19:18Speaker 02

  Yes, but if you can make the argument that this pick is, you prefer just all go in Wildcard for dissent, for, for the sake of not chaos, right?

• 19:27Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't really care, as long as Wildcard can be whatever baseball movie I want it to be, or whatever baseball scene I want it to be. Yeah, then that's fine. Then you, then you, you know.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  We'll see.

• 19:38Sean Fennessey?

  I'll give my rationale here. Because there's a limited quantity of films, the balance between high concept and kids movie makes it very competitive. Those two categories, there will be a dearth. Whereas drama and comedy, there's, there are a lot of picks. You may not love all the picks that you get, but there are a lot of options. Those other categories, a smaller number makes it more intense as we go through.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  That's going to be really interesting in the first and second round because, you know, draft strategy versus like, this is clearly the best movie. Like, are we going to take? Well, there are some really good ones in High Concept, based on a true story. Actually, there are a couple of real doozies at the top, but like, there are a couple of movies that would definitely be picked as drama or comedy. It's like, those categories are so deep, does it make sense to do that in the first round? But if you can get your favorite baseball movie, are you not gonna do it?

• 20:21Sean Fennessey?

  The fun of the game. Do you want to have the movie you love, or do you want to have the best overall board?

• 20:28Sean Fennessey?

  Any, any other thoughts before we pick our draft order?

• 20:30Speaker 03

  I'm curious if you guys think that there's like a clear number one, or even a clear top four?

• 20:35Speaker 02

  No, I think there's a Rushmore, and then there's, and then there's a free for all.

• 20:39Sean Fennessey?

  I generally agree with that. I think there's a amount of Rushmore.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  I had one more question. Do you guys have a story that's been, that's happened in the world of baseball, or even like, you can even think of, that's happened since Moneyball, that you kind of wish there was a movie about?

• 20:52Speaker 03

  Oh my god, what a great question, Chris.

• 20:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Mauz is Freddie Freeman's road trip with his cat.

• 20:57Speaker 03

  That's right, with the, yeah.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  What about Freddie Freeman?

• 21:00Speaker 03

  I listen, when you talk, I listen.

• 21:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm also seen and known by you right now.

• 21:04Speaker 02

  What about Freddie Freeman's trip to Istanbul to get his teeth fixed?

• 21:06Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, the veneers can really come into play. The, the cat has like little like, uh, like a manicure pedicure on the gnaw.

• 21:12Amanda Dobbins?

  You're not having veneers now? Why are people mad about?

• 21:15Speaker 03

  Well, it's just that they're-

• 21:16Amanda Dobbins?

  The chaperone said it best, let people have bad veneers.

• 21:18Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, people can do what they want with their teeth or anything else.

• 21:20Amanda Dobbins?

  She did.

• 21:21Speaker 03

  I think there are just a few LA athletes who have some very prominent veneers.

• 21:25Amanda Dobbins?

  There are, there are many other things going on.

• 21:28Sean Fennessey?

  Are you?

• 21:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm never gonna do it, I can't do it.

• 21:30Sean Fennessey?

  Veneers?

• 21:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and now I, now Si and I have matching chip teeth, so it's fine.

• 21:36Speaker 03

  You should file your teeth forever.

• 21:38Sean Fennessey?

  I'll tell you what, I'll make a deal with you, I'll make a deal with you.

• 21:40Amanda Dobbins?

  You said that.

• 21:40Sean Fennessey?

  If you do it, I'll never acknowledge it on that.

• 21:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, you said that, and that's not true. I'm not gonna do it, I can't do it, but it's just like, of all of the problems, Freddie Freeman getting his teeth fixed, I don't really care.

• 21:50Speaker 02

  Look, the Dodgers have it all. They're gonna have it. And to that point, Otani would be a Hollywood star.

• 21:57Sean Fennessey?

  He's a great, he's a great movie.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  It would also be an interesting Heart of Darkness underbelly story.

• 22:00Sean Fennessey?

  That's what I'm saying, there's some drama there.

• 22:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, no, you need to do the, really-

• 22:03Sean Fennessey?

  Lance Oppenheimer's Otani, that would be good.

• 22:06Amanda Dobbins?

  That's the story.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  Can you imagine if Sidney Lumet was still with us, and he made a movie called The Translator? And it was about him?

• 22:12Sean Fennessey?

  That would be awesome.

• 22:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:13Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, there's a lot of like, classic stories, like, we have not had a dramatized McGuire Sosa movie. And that's a real, I mean, that's a really rich story, like, their friendship, the chase, and then all the aftermath, and the kind of, really the fall of that era of baseball in a lot of ways, it could be a really good film.

• 22:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, A Steroider, I think, would be, would be really good. I mean, god, there's some gambling stuff to do, certainly. I, you could do something in a few years, when Trout finally wins a World Series with the Phillies after returning home.

• 22:41Sean Fennessey?

  Oh yeah, that'd be vague.

• 22:42Speaker 03

  A, a career, the best player of his generation, who just couldn't win with the Angels, finally goes home, you could do that. My pitch, obviously, will be, uh, you'll still be fiddling with your fucking formula, Pete Alonso.

• 22:53Sean Fennessey?

  I think that you're gonna need some success in Baltimore before making a movie about that.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  You would make a movie about a guy having like, an okay season for a mediocre-

• 23:00Speaker 03

  An okay season? Pete Alonso has 43 home runs, how dare you?

• 23:05Speaker 02

  Uh, I would do, did you, did you guys ever see the video of the kid from LSU, who was a pitcher, and, uh, like, lied to his coach, that he used to be a, used to hit back in high school, so his coach let him pinch hit, and he hit a homerun, and like, his post-game conference was like, "I just lied, coach, I'm sorry, I just wanted to hit nukes," you know, like, it was-

• 23:26Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't see that.

• 23:27Speaker 02

  But it's like, one of those things where it's like, that would be a good movie, but in the age of like, reels, it's kind of hard to like, squeeze any more juice out of that.

• 23:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I mean, but that is, you find a lot of baseball movies have those kinds of premises too, where they're not about the biggest stars, but this is like, a wow, true life story, which is why Based on a True Story is one of our categories here today.

• 23:46Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, this will be interesting, let's, let's do a draft order. Jack, what do we got?

• 23:50Speaker 04

  Just want to say, Mal, you're talking a lot of shit for a team that traded their franchise cornerstone to their division rival and missed the playoffs. Here we go, draft order.

• 23:56Speaker 03

  France, Adley Rutschman franchise cornerstone?

• 23:58Speaker 02

  Was that, was he not the prince who has promised? What are you talking, are you serious?

• 24:02Speaker 03

  No.

• 24:02Speaker 04

  You're being delusional, this is revisionist history.

• 24:04Speaker 03

  Come on, maybe holiday.

• 24:05Speaker 04

  God damn it, selecting first is Mallory Rubin.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  I don't know if it's a great draft to select first, I gotta be honest. I mean, I'm happy about it, I just think my favorite movie, but it's a long wait for the second pick.

• 24:16Speaker 04

  Selecting second is Amanda Dobbins.

• 24:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. I'll take it.

• 24:23Speaker 04

  And third is Sean Fennessey, fourth, Chris Ryan.

• 24:26Speaker 03

  Okay, the turn, have to wait for the, the turn to come back.

• 24:29Sean Fennessey?

  I dreamt on the turn last night, actually.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  You dreamt?

• 24:32Sean Fennessey?

  I did.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Did you literally dream about it, or did you just think about it?

• 24:35Sean Fennessey?

  I don't dream about this show at all, ever.

• 24:37Speaker 03

  You don't dream?

• 24:38Sean Fennessey?

  I, I do dream, but I don't remember my dreams.

• 24:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Then how do you know that you dream?

• 24:42Sean Fennessey?

  Because I've had dreams sometimes.

• 24:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 24:44Sean Fennessey?

  Like, I've had, I've remembered, you know, somewhere between 10 and 100 dreams in my life.

• 24:49Speaker 03

  Okay, that's it?

• 24:50Sean Fennessey?

  And I don't, yeah.

• 24:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Are they, are they, are the dreams that you remember, do they repeat? Are they?

• 24:55Sean Fennessey?

  I have a couple.

• 24:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 24:56Sean Fennessey?

  I haven't had an anxiety dream in a while.

• 24:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, congratulations.

• 24:58Speaker 03

  That must be nice.

• 24:59Sean Fennessey?

  My life is amazing.

• 25:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I had this.

• 25:03Speaker 02

  It's that kind of vulnerability that really-

• 25:05Speaker 03

  Man.

• 25:06Sean Fennessey?

  Everyone at this table knows that I'm a desiccating husk of fallen emotion, so that's, it's easy for me to say. But yeah, I don't dream, you dream all the time?

• 25:16Speaker 03

  I, I used to remember my dreams more often, but I do dream, the thing is, I wake up a lot throughout the night, so I have more opportunities to remember a dream. You have a lucid dream?

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:25Speaker 03

  That's a powerful experience.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  You start to really go out of your mind.

• 25:29Speaker 03

  That can be very, very good.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  Usually have a 5:00 AM to 7:00 AM dream.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, yes.

• 25:33Speaker 02

  That's pretty vivid, but-

• 25:34Speaker 03

  That's when I remember my dreams the most as well.

• 25:36Sean Fennessey?

  How wet are your dreams?

• 25:38Speaker 03

  Sodden. Okay.

• 25:40Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, number one overall, Mallory Rubin.

• 25:44Amanda Dobbins?

  They shouldn't be allowed to sit next to each other.

• 25:45Sean Fennessey?

  Mal, thanks for being here.

• 25:46Speaker 03

  Guys, thanks for having me, I love this podcast, I love all of you, I love baseball, and I love film. Um, I also love Kevin Costner.

• 25:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Can you rank those orders, those in order with Costner? Which we all, we all know what your pick is gonna be.

• 25:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, this is, this is no surprise to anyone, I'm taking Bull Durham, it's a question of the category. Bull Durham is not only my favorite baseball movie, and my favorite sports movie, it's one of my three favorite movies, like, ever. I just love Bull Durham, it's a formative movie in my life. When I saw it for the first time, junior year of high school, I watched it five days in a row. And I just love it, it is, uh, everything I want in a baseball movie. It's obviously a great romance.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:21Speaker 03

  I mean, Annie, an all-timer, absolute all-timer. Nukleus, what a character, and Crash Davis, historic, and, you know, Crash, ironing in his boxers, foundational text.

• 26:32Amanda Dobbins?

  It really is.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  It's just, boho Crash, you do make speeches. It's just a wonderful movie, it has some of the most quotable lines, uh, lollygagging, candlesticks, Ron Shelton, former member of the Baltimore Orioles farm system, I mean, come on, what, what do you, what do you want from me? But I think this is a movie where, you know, Annie's opening monologue about the stitches on a baseball, and the beads on a rosary, you know right away that you're gonna get a really special experience, that is an examination of the struggle and the euphoria that baseball uniquely provides. And it's just absolutely magic. It's, it's incredibly funny, you know, you couldn't hit water if you fell out of a fucking boat, like, I've watched this movie 500 times, and I cackle like a lunatic every time Crash says that to Nuke.

• 27:18Speaker 03

  Uh, the garters-

• 27:19Speaker 02

  What is, what is, what is this wrong lyrics for the song, She May Be Wooly?

• 27:24Speaker 03

  Wooly, yeah. Women get wooly.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  Women don't get wooly, they get weary.

• 27:28Speaker 03

  It's just so great, you know, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains, the baseball cliche machine, all of it, but like, when Crash, I mean, obviously, like, I believe in the cock, the pussy, that whole speech is iconic, but when Crash says to Annie-

• 27:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I was just gonna say, that's the peak of Kevin Costner, right? Like, that scene, that's it.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  In his boxers.

• 27:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, from there on-

• 27:51Speaker 03

  Well, that's a different one, but yeah.

• 27:52Amanda Dobbins?

  From there on, he like, he's, you know, kind of holds altitude for like, a few years, and then it's over.

• 27:57Speaker 03

  It's just, it really is an incredible Crash performance, it's amazing. The, I think the, my, one of my favorites always, though, until obviously, you know, 60 Minute Man, and fucking in the bathtub, and in the bathrobes, and knocking the milk over on the kitchen counter, the cereal, like, all of it, it's just incredible. If you think you're winning, because you're getting laid, or because you're not getting laid, then you are, and you should know that, like, has always felt to me-

• 28:21Speaker 02

  Do you subscribe to that?

• 28:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do, as a fan.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  Superstitions.

• 28:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, I think there is something that this movie understands about what it is like to try to play baseball, Crash, a career minor leaguer, who has to train this hotshot, who doesn't appreciate the thing that he has.

• 28:36Speaker 03

  But also to sit there in the stands every day, to give yourself over to this team and this experience, it's just really unmatched and unrivaled, I love it. I guess I'm gonna take it in comedy, even though comedy is such a loaded category, I hate to, I hate to draft comedy in the first round, I could take it in drama.

• 28:52Sean Fennessey?

  I think there's a case for it in almost every category here, except for High Concept.

• 28:57Speaker 03

  Kids movie?

• 28:58Speaker 02

  No, no, it's not a kids movie. It's based on a true story of Ron Shelton's experiences.

• 29:01Sean Fennessey?

  There's a lot of real minor league baseball, and it's a real minor league baseball team.

• 29:04Speaker 03

  I was gonna ask if Based on a True Story felt like too much of a stretch, or if it felt eligible?

• 29:09Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's a stretch, and we would, the, the board would need to consult on it, but it speaks to, I think, the kind of like, the flexibility of the movie.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, certainly, that is undeniable, in terms of what informs it, we're dealing with a lot, cursed gloves, et cetera. Can I take it in that category?

• 29:26Sean Fennessey?

  Based on a true story?

• 29:28Speaker 03

  I don't know if it's based on a true story, that feels like a stretch.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  I think it's based on his personal experiences, but it's not Based on a True Story.

• 29:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not really the same thing, I'm gonna take it in, I'll, I'll take it in comedy. That, that feels like the, the, the truest place for it to be, even though it's a loaded category. Okay, what a great movie. You guys like Bull Durham?

• 29:48Speaker 02

  I do like Bull Durham a lot.

• 29:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I just, I deleted it from the top of my comedy category, so there you go.

• 29:53Speaker 03

  Would everyone have taken it with the first pick?

• 29:54Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I'm gonna, I'm about to take my first pick.

• 29:57Speaker 03

  I assume I know what yours is.

• 29:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, in drama, which is, of course, Moneyball.

• 30:00Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 30:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, one of my favorite movies of this, this century, as we did, what number was it for 25 for 25? Yeah, that's kind of low, but that's okay.

• 30:10Sean Fennessey?

  I think it was accurate.

• 30:17Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, it is a movie about the like, intellectualization and the, you know, numberization and the corporatization of, of sports that then turns it back into, as Mal has already quoted, like the most romantic movie about baseball. And, and sports made in our lifetimes. Incredible Brad Pitt performance. Incredible score that, um, the last time the Phillies did something good in the playoffs, it was the meet, you remember the Bryce Harper homerun?

• 30:47Speaker 02

  I do.

• 30:47Amanda Dobbins?

  That then immediately got set to the, the, um, Hatton, Chad Hatton, what's Chris Pratt's character's name?

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Hattler.

• 30:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Hattler.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, the, the music when it cuts out.

• 30:58Speaker 02

  This is the story you use.

• 30:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Uh, great, great meme. Um, I quote this all of the time. And, you know, it's, it's very moving. And also a girl dad movie for, for the girl dads among us.

• 31:11Sean Fennessey?

  Ben and Miller come back to feature films.

• 31:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 31:14Sean Fennessey?

  I would, you know, Fox catcher didn't go as we all had hoped, but nevertheless, I would like to see him make another movie.

• 31:20Speaker 02

  Um, so you're putting this in drama?

• 31:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I am.

• 31:22Speaker 02

  Out of respect for Mark Mulder and Tim Hudson, who would probably say this was not based on a true story.

• 31:26Sean Fennessey?

  And Miguel Tejada.

• 31:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, Miguel Tejada barely in this movie.

• 31:30Sean Fennessey?

  None of the true stars of the Oakland Athletics really featured in the film. One of the great moments for me of, of 2025 was when we screened this movie in Chicago. And it was a secret surprise screening. And I'd never really been able to like, lead one of those before.

• 31:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 31:47Sean Fennessey?

  When the movie started and people realized in the room what it was and the excitement and the enthusiasm, that was really, really exciting and fun to watch. Yeah, this is an all time great. Uh, and really the only truly modern all time classic, you know, like it's, yeah, there are some more that have come out after it that I like a lot, but one that I think kind of transcends. Okay. Is it, it's my pick at number three?

• 32:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 32:12Sean Fennessey?

  Gosh, where to go?

• 32:16Speaker 03

  A lot of good choices.

• 32:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, there are some obvious ones.

• 32:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, there's some, there's some, some big ones. I.

• 32:22Speaker 03

  Why don't you leave those on the board? Take some else.

• 32:25Sean Fennessey?

  Can I, I'm just gonna pick my favorite.

• 32:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Go ahead.

• 32:28Sean Fennessey?

  My favorite that is left right now is A League of Their Own.

• 32:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Cream fuck.

• 32:32Sean Fennessey?

  Is that what you were thinking?

• 32:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, I, I, I mean, I still, I had to take Moneyball, I had to do it, but I didn't, I thought it might still be there for me. But you know what? You guys are feminists.

• 32:42Speaker 03

  That movie was never.

• 32:43Speaker 02

  We're allies. What's the problem?

• 32:44Speaker 03

  That movie wasn't making it out of the first round with this group of drafters.

• 32:47Amanda Dobbins?

  No way. I mean, it's, I mean, it's the one.

• 32:49Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, it's just, it's just straight up one of the most entertaining movies of all time. So, you know, I'm taking it in based on a true story.

• 32:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 32:56Sean Fennessey?

  Even though it is also a comedy and a drama and features amazing performances. Gina Davis, Lori Petty, Tom Hanks, of course, great Madonna in this movie. Very funny Rosie O'Donnell in this movie. That is based on the true life story of the All Girls Baseball Association that launched during World War II to sort of backfill for the, uh, absence of Major League Baseball during that time. Um, and yeah, I saw this movie, me and my brother and my sister in movie theaters with my mom, which I get, was it 92?

• 33:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 33:26Sean Fennessey?

  So I was 10 years old and I thought it was hysterical, thought Hanks was unbelievable as Jimmy Dugan. And where are we at with, with girls in baseball? Like, I think I, I think there's a girls' baseball team at my daughter's school.

• 33:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. As opposed to softball.

• 33:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, like, like encouraging

• 33:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 33:44Sean Fennessey?

  young girls to play the sport.

• 33:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 33:47Sean Fennessey?

  I don't, I should probably get, start getting my head around that.

• 33:48Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess I should have asked whether, how do you know, no question mark, was eligible?

• 33:53Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 33:53Amanda Dobbins?

  For this, for this film. Because it's softball.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  I think it's.

• 33:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 33:56Speaker 02

  If you could imagine.

• 33:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

• 33:57Sean Fennessey?

  Does Owen Wilson play a baseball player?

• 34:00Speaker 02

  I thought he's just a sports writer and that. I can't, I, I saw it once. I don't remember.

• 34:04Sean Fennessey?

  Um, baseball, I don't think that's gonna be Alice's sport, but if she was like, I wanna play baseball, that would be exciting.

• 34:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 34:13Speaker 03

  It was always a bummer to me when I was a kid. I had one year of, of coed T-ball, but then it was like, go play softball.

• 34:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 34:20Speaker 03

  And no shaded softball, but I, I really wanted to play baseball.

• 34:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 34:23Speaker 03

  Growing up in Reisterstown, Maryland in the 90s, I really wanted to play baseball.

• 34:27Sean Fennessey?

  Cal's town.

• 34:29Speaker 03

  You fucking know it, man.

• 34:29Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Yeah. It's, um.

• 34:31Speaker 03

  BJ Serhoff's town, Brady Anderson's town.

• 34:33Sean Fennessey?

  One thing about this movie, the baseball is really good.

• 34:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:36Sean Fennessey?

  The, the staging and choreography of the baseball sequences.

• 34:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, it's awesome.

• 34:39Sean Fennessey?

  You know, the conclusion of the movie with the slide and the ball falling out of the catcher's mitt. Incredible moment.

• 34:44Amanda Dobbins?

  If, if people listening to this

• 34:45Sean Fennessey?

  Based on a true story.

• 34:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Have not listened to the rewatchables on A League of Their Own featuring Mal's, uh, strategic breakdown of that last scene and what people should and shouldn't do. I recommend it. That's why we podcast, ladies and gentlemen.

• 34:57Sean Fennessey?

  Um, and yeah, there's like, I don't know, there's just not many better baseball movies in this movie.

• 35:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 35:03Sean Fennessey?

  Right?

• 35:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I wanna pitch you guys on something right now. And if you, if you'd like to take the trip to San Francisco, since we're, um, it's gonna be October, it's gonna be Halloween season.

• 35:12Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 35:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Let's all dress as the racing Peaches for A League of Their Own. You're in, I've never gotten to do it. You know how that was always like the hot girl group costume at Halloween in college?

• 35:22Speaker 02

  You want me and Sean to dress as?

• 35:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, and I'll do it too.

• 35:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I'll be Jimmy. Who are you gonna be?

• 35:27Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, you were all, you.

• 35:28Speaker 03

  You have to take a 51 second pic.

• 35:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  I was gonna go as like Michael Myers.

• 35:34Sean Fennessey?

  You're gonna go too?

• 35:35Speaker 02

  Michael Myers.

• 35:36Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that you would look cute in the skirt, you know?

• 35:39Sean Fennessey?

  Mike Myers one night. Isn't it Rockford Peaches?

• 35:43Speaker 02

  Rockford.

• 35:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Rockford Peaches and the racing.

• 35:46Sean Fennessey?

  I forget what their, their team is called.

• 35:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, yeah, anyway, you know, you, you know the costumes, you know the socks. My sons do like piss for that long.

• 35:55Sean Fennessey?

  I gotta think about what's gonna be my Halloween costume for San Francisco trip.

• 35:58Amanda Dobbins?

  And it's always what I think of.

• 36:00Speaker 02

  They drink beverages all day long, right?

• 36:01Amanda Dobbins?

  They do, they just always have the water bottle that I'm responsible for.

• 36:04Sean Fennessey?

  You go as Michael Myers, I'll go as Art the Clown. Deal?

• 36:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I just, I had an idea for a group costume.

• 36:11Sean Fennessey?

  It's a two night event.

• 36:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Well, I'm just.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  I'm only there for one night.

• 36:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, really?

• 36:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:16Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 36:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, now I really am not gonna have anyone to have dinner with. Did you hear that he programmed this out? So I can't go to dinner?

• 36:22Speaker 02

  I did hear about this.

• 36:23Sean Fennessey?

  That's not what happened.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  But I am gonna just wear my Rockford Peaches outfit the entire flight from, from New York to San Francisco.

• 36:29Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, you more of a Kit or a Dottie?

• 36:33Speaker 03

  Kind of such a Kit.

• 36:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 36:36Speaker 03

  But I will say, it feels like one of those things where your answer changes as you age a little bit, just based on like what perspective you're bringing in the moment. But yeah, Kit.

• 36:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. Yeah, that's, it's sort of like a Aiden and Mr. Big situation. And it goes back and forth over time. Back, way back on Mr. Big.

• 36:50Sean Fennessey?

  No, that's not.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  You're way back in.

• 36:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, me? I don't know.

• 36:54Speaker 02

  She's. Kind of Dottie, I think.

• 36:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 36:58Sean Fennessey?

  More Dottie. And you?

• 36:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  Madonna.

• 37:01Speaker 03

  I mean, definitely.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, what was Madonna's? Oh, May More Tobito. Madonna's so hot.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  What was Rosie O'Donnell's character's name?

• 37:10Sean Fennessey?

  Rosie was Doris Murphy.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a great character name. Wow.

• 37:15Sean Fennessey?

  Special film, directed by Penny Marshall.

• 37:17Speaker 03

  Bullder on Moneyball, League of Their Own.

• 37:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  No surprise if that's the top three.

• 37:21Sean Fennessey?

  CR number three, number four and number five for you.

• 37:24Speaker 02

  On the turn, two movies from the same friggin' year.

• 37:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 37:28Speaker 02

  Let's take Field of Dreams in drama.

• 37:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 37:31Speaker 02

  1989, Valda Robinson's.

• 37:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Elite.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  Uh, adaptation of W.P. Consella's novel about Shoeless Joe Jackson coming back to life and healing generational divides in families. And, uh, this movie, every, everybody's got one that's like, this movie is my emotional kryptonite.

• 37:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  This movie destroys me.

• 37:54Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:54Speaker 02

  This is almost not a rewatchable for me because it's too affecting.

• 37:59Sean Fennessey?

  Field of Dreams.

• 38:00Speaker 03

  And yet we did it as a rewatchable.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  We did it as a rewatchable, yeah. But like, some of like, the hardest, ugliest cries ever could come in the last 15 minutes of this movie.

• 38:09Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, it's really very beautiful.

• 38:10Speaker 02

  And it's really quite great. Like, I watched it probably within the last five years, the whole way through. And for as corny and maybe as like cheesy as some of the stuff is, like boomer, you know, hippie-dom, kind of like recovery stuff, goddamn, James Earl Jones is good in this and Costner is great in this. And Amy Madigan is great in this and Busfield is good in this and like, Leota looks beautiful in this movie as Joe Jackson. It's just an awesome, awesome film.

• 38:42Speaker 03

  Dude, I rewatched this like when you said we were doing the draft. I knew I would only have time to watch a few of them.

• 38:48Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:49Speaker 03

  But I think the way I live my life is I'll just never miss an opportunity to rewatch Bullderman Field of Dreams. And actually, I did Moneyball too. No matter how many times I see it, there are a lot of the, the, the big cries, as you said, Chris, but when Moonlight Graham.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:05Speaker 03

  Takes that step. I mean, it just destroys you no matter how many times. Like that idea of living your life for a thing that you never got to taste and then you get it for a second and it's gone again.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:19Speaker 03

  What the fuck?

• 39:21Sean Fennessey?

  The thing about this movie, I rewatched it in 2024. And I similarly have a very emotional relationship to it. I think, I think most young people, when you see this movie, and especially boys and their dads, there's huge stuff going on there. But it's an extremely strange movie about obsession. And at times feels like a little bit more like a horror movie than it does like a

• 39:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a voice in the cornfield telling him what to do. And he's risking his family's well being on it.

• 39:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure.

• 39:48Amanda Dobbins?

  You just ask his wife a number of times if she thinks he's insane.

• 39:51Sean Fennessey?

  Exactly, yeah. So it is not, I think it's not maybe what younger generations might think it is based on the poster of Costner standing in front of the moonlight in the cornfield.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I would say the last 20 minutes are different than the rest of the movie. You know, like that, the rest of the movie is, is like, at times surreal, at times comic, at times-

• 40:11Sean Fennessey?

  It feels like a midlife crisis movie.

• 40:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, and a midlife crisis movie. And then the last 20 minutes are like, holy shit, the waterworks are on.

• 40:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  Same year, I'm gonna take Major League in comedy. This is kind of like the two sides of my 12 year old being was like, one was like getting in touch with like, a world of adult emotion and like, ideas about like, you're not always gonna be young and like, time is a thing. But then this movie, Major League is a movie that I just watched 403 times. And it was just like, Rick Vaughn is, is an important person to me. As was Rene Russo in this film.

• 40:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, sure.

• 40:50Speaker 03

  Absolutely smoked off.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  This is David S. Ward's movie about what would happen if the now Cleveland Guardians, but back then Cleveland Indians, had somehow made a crazy run into the playoffs against odds with the evil owner Rachel Phelps. Who's trying to sabotage the team-

• 41:10Sean Fennessey?

  Margaret Whitten, was that the actress?

• 41:11Speaker 02

  So that she can move the team to Florida and, and live like a better life outside of Cleveland.

• 41:17Sean Fennessey?

  Little did we know the, the then Florida Marlins were right around the corner.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:21Sean Fennessey?

  The team would change their name to the Guardians.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  And this is an ensemble of like Dennis Haysbert, Corbin Bernsen, Charlie Sheen, Tom Berenger, Wesley Snipes as Willie Mays Hayes. Ton of character actors and it's just a season of baseball comedy and it is, it is perfect still. It's so fucking good when Wild Thing comes in.

• 41:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh my God, when, when they play the song and the whole stadium sings, it's fucking electric.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:46Amanda Dobbins?

  It really is.

• 41:47Speaker 02

  I don't know how this one ages or how it goes for like, I don't know, like, how it would play for like a 13 year old now, but I don't know, it's a pretty, pretty perfect movie in its own, own way.

• 42:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Great pick.

• 42:01Sean Fennessey?

  Let me give some love to James Gammon, the manager, Lou.

• 42:04Speaker 02

  Lou Taylor.

• 42:05Sean Fennessey?

  Who's unbelievable.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  Has a heart attack in Major League Two.

• 42:08Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I probably have seen Major League Two more than Major League One.

• 42:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Really?

• 42:11Speaker 03

  Why?

• 42:12Sean Fennessey?

  Cause it was on cable all the time as a kid.

• 42:13Speaker 02

  Omar Epps fan.

• 42:15Sean Fennessey?

  You know, he did-

• 42:17Speaker 02

  He did his thing.

• 42:18Sean Fennessey?

  Solid work filling in for Wesley. We, we would have preferred Wesley Snipes, but you know, he did his thing. Okay, those are two very good picks.

• 42:26Speaker 02

  There's a character in Major League Two named Kamikaze Tanaka, who I don't know if that's the most sensitive naming of a character I've ever seen.

• 42:32Sean Fennessey?

  I wouldn't say Major League also, you know, Dennis Haysbert's character Pedro Serrano, not exactly the most woke characterization.

• 42:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:41Sean Fennessey?

  A voodoo practicing slugger. Okay.

• 42:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Can't hit the curveball.

• 42:47Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, those are two all time classics. I'm gonna take the most recent favorite in comedy and take Everybody Wants Some.

• 42:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. I love that movie.

• 42:56Sean Fennessey?

  Just because I think it is the most elite baseball hangout movie of all time. I think the thing that gets the most right is what baseball bros are like. You know, I played travel baseball, I was just talking with somebody about this, maybe even your husband, Amanda, but it was like, I joined a travel baseball team when I was eight and I played travel baseball until I was 17. And so I, in addition to playing for the school team, was just around my teammates, around, all year for 10 years.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  Were you preparing Zach for the next decade of his life?

• 43:27Sean Fennessey?

  That's what we were talking about. I was like, you've got two boys and they're both look like athletes.

• 43:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 43:30Sean Fennessey?

  You're fucked.

• 43:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 43:32Sean Fennessey?

  And I wasn't even that good, but I was still on a team that was like traveling all around Long Island every Saturday morning.

• 43:37Speaker 02

  San Bernardino on a Saturday.

• 43:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I was gonna say, do you wanna be the travel baseball coach?

• 43:43Sean Fennessey?

  I think you need to be more esteemed than that. No offense, I know you were a ball player yourself.

• 43:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess by that I meant like family coach.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  Oh, you mean like your chauffeur.

• 43:51Sean Fennessey?

  Personal trainers, yeah. This movie obviously is about a college team, a Texas college team that is very specifically based on Richard Linklater's experience. He grew up as a very competitive baseball player and the camaraderie of the dudes.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  Like Sam Houston State was-

• 44:05Sean Fennessey?

  That's where he played, yeah. I don't know if that's actually the, the school that is portrayed in the movie, but that is where he played. And it's just very authentic to the way the guys shit talk, the way that they talk about girls, how they party, their relationships, their friendships, their, their, their rivalries, you know, the ways they don't get along.

• 44:25Sean Fennessey?

  The, what is Kurt Russell's son's name?

• 44:28Speaker 02

  Wyatt.

• 44:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Wyatt.

• 44:29Sean Fennessey?

  The Wyatt Russell character in this movie is one of the greatest creations in modern movie history.

• 44:33Amanda Dobbins?

  So good.

• 44:34Sean Fennessey?

  And it's him listening to Fleetwood Mac, Pink Floyd, he's using Pink Floyd.

• 44:41Sean Fennessey?

  Is it Pink Floyd or is it the?

• 44:44Speaker 02

  I thought he was listening to Taking Bong Hits.

• 44:46Sean Fennessey?

  The early Fleetwood Mac song.

• 44:47Speaker 02

  Oh, you might be right.

• 44:48Sean Fennessey?

  It is instrumental. It might be Pink Floyd, I can't remember. Anyway, Taking Bong Hits and then we later learn out, learn that he's 30 years old. One of the most amazing reveals, like casually, he has to leave the team. This movie cracked me up and is a very warm and cozy, nightlight kind of a movie that I, I really dig. So I'll take that in comedy.

• 45:07Speaker 03

  Great one, great pick. Oh, Dobbins, what are you gonna do?

• 45:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna go kids movie and I'm gonna do Sandlot.

• 45:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 45:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, listen, you got to.

• 45:14Sean Fennessey?

  I think that was the leader.

• 45:16Amanda Dobbins?

  It's right there. I mean, this is, so this is also, this is 93. So you get A League of Their Own in 92, Sandlot in 93. I was like eight and nine, saw both of these in theaters. I don't wanna bring up any harsh memories, but baseball is like alive locally. Where I was at that time. And this is-

• 45:39Speaker 02

  They say much the same thing in Moscow right now, you know?

• 45:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I've renounced them, okay? I was there, but I left.

• 45:48Sean Fennessey?

  They hadn't won yet at this point.

• 45:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but it was exciting and you got to, you know, they were, and they had not been like exciting for a long time and it was-

• 45:56Sean Fennessey?

  Where'd you stand on the chop?

• 45:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Not good. I don't think that we should be doing that.

• 46:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 46:01Amanda Dobbins?

  That, that was embarrassing, but-

• 46:03Sean Fennessey?

  Still going, I was there last year.

• 46:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, now I remember watching this as a kid, I've watched it, no, it's insane that they still do it. It's absolutely, everything about the Braves then, but especially now was outrageous.

• 46:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, many people are saying.

• 46:16Amanda Dobbins?

  The Sandlot. Yeah.

• 46:18Sean Fennessey?

  It's great.

• 46:19Amanda Dobbins?

  It's amazing. The Sandlot, let's bring it back to the Sandlot. I showed this to my son, who's four, my older son, who does play T-ball. And he loved it, asked to watch it again the next day, which is the sign of a movie, really, yeah.

• 46:33Speaker 02

  That there was Maverick.

• 46:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Incredible, like ensemble of young kids, including, I had forgotten until I rewatched how like important Mike Vitar, Vitter was to me growing up and then he just-

• 46:45Speaker 03

  Oh man.

• 46:46Amanda Dobbins?

  And he doesn't act anymore?

• 46:47Sean Fennessey?

  That's funny, the Jet?

• 46:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 46:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 46:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:51Speaker 03

  Powerful childhood crush.

• 46:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Powerful, powerful childhood crush. I just also gotta say, like the, the costume design of these boys. It is certainly my fashion inspiration for my children and maybe possibly for myself. They look so awesome. Are you kidding?

• 47:05Speaker 02

  No, I know.

• 47:06Amanda Dobbins?

  They're amazing, they're the coolest kids in the world.

• 47:09Sean Fennessey?

  We had Wendy Peppercorn, they had, they had Benny the Jet.

• 47:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. So Sandlot it is for me.

• 47:16Speaker 03

  I think that's the right pick. I was hoping it would somehow fall one more to me, but I'm sorry.

• 47:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I respect the choice. I, I think that the draft is pretty unimpeachable so far.

• 47:24Sean Fennessey?

  Without looking, who's the director of the Sandlot?

• 47:27Speaker 02

  David Mickey Evans.

• 47:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  Who also directed National Lampoon's Barely Legal.

• 47:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, you wouldn't know that.

• 47:34Sean Fennessey?

  Which you started?

• 47:37Sean Fennessey?

  Recently, yeah.

• 47:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he also directed First Kid. Remember First Kid?

• 47:43Speaker 02

  And Beethoven's Fourth.

• 47:44Amanda Dobbins?

  But First Kid is not Chasing Liberty.

• 47:47Sean Fennessey?

  Well, no, those are two different films.

• 47:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, but they're about the same concept.

• 47:52Sean Fennessey?

  But the First Kid was a more irreverent comedy.

• 47:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. What happens in Chasing Liberty? Can you tell me right now without cussing?

• 47:58Sean Fennessey?

  Mandy Moore is the daughter of the president.

• 48:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 48:01Sean Fennessey?

  And she wants to be free.

• 48:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Who to?

• 48:06Sean Fennessey?

  Who is the president?

• 48:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 48:08Sean Fennessey?

  Sinbad.

• 48:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Nope.

• 48:10Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm thinking of the Channing Tatum movie where he protects Jamie Foxx as the president.

• 48:15Sean Fennessey?

  Is it like Tim Matson? Who is it?

• 48:16Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it's Mark Harmon.

• 48:17Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, Mark Harmon.

• 48:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. And then, and then who is the person that, uh, she, so why, how does she wanna be free?

• 48:27Sean Fennessey?

  She wants to be free because she's fallen in love with a classmate who's played by Leonardo DiCaprio.

• 48:33Amanda Dobbins?

  She wants to go to some parade in Berlin and she falls in love with her Secret Service agent played by-

• 48:38Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, Chris Pine.

• 48:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Matthew Good. Chris Pine is Princess Diaries Two.

• 48:42Speaker 03

  I absolutely love Matthew Good.

• 48:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Please get your source test.

• 48:46Sean Fennessey?

  Is there any baseball in any of these movies?

• 48:47Amanda Dobbins?

  No. I don't know, actually, could be in Chasing Liberty.

• 48:52Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, all right, now you have a turn.

• 48:55Amanda Dobbins?

  I do.

• 48:55Sean Fennessey?

  Two turns, in fact.

• 48:56Speaker 03

  Couple of movies that I really love are here.

• 48:58Sean Fennessey?

  All, all classics off the board thus far.

• 49:00Speaker 03

  I think we've got some left.

• 49:02Sean Fennessey?

  For sure.

• 49:03Speaker 03

  I think we've got some left.

• 49:03Sean Fennessey?

  For sure.

• 49:04Speaker 03

  So I'm gonna go high concept here, cause that, as you noted earlier, is like not the deepest category and I, I could still get one of my top two picks in that, in that, in that field. So I'm gonna take The Natural as my high concept.

• 49:17Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 49:18Speaker 02

  Price is still on the board.

• 49:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, I wasn't, I didn't think it would be a first round pick, but I thought it would be a second.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm super excited to hear you try to explain this.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  Go ahead.

• 49:29Speaker 03

  At the table where I was told that midichlorians weren't a Skywalker family member?

• 49:33Speaker 02

  What's high concept about a guy being good about at baseball?

• 49:36Speaker 03

  But that's, oh, Chris, if only it were so simple.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  So tell me it was so complicated about it.

• 49:43Speaker 03

  I think so. When I asked Sean what's high concept, he said anything that has like a magical quality or something that is like highly mythic.

• 49:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Why are you doing all of this?

• 49:55Speaker 03

  Remember when he berated me on the Star Wars draft and was like, ask me more questions? And sometimes then I'll let you do things. I learned my lesson.

• 50:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Why are your nostrils flaring already?

• 50:04Speaker 03

  I only asked you one question. This is the only question I asked you.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  He's a very relaxed dungeon master today. I feel like we could get away with a lot.

• 50:12Sean Fennessey?

  I'll read you what I wrote to Mallory.

• 50:14Amanda Dobbins?

  But why? He's right. Why is this happening behind closed doors?

• 50:17Sean Fennessey?

  She texted me.

• 50:18Speaker 03

  Just texted him.

• 50:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but again, why?

• 50:20Speaker 03

  Didn't want to bother you guys. Didn't want to bother you guys.

• 50:23Sean Fennessey?

  Bringing in the council. Anything that features a magical presence or quality, anything that is absurdist and gimmicky.

• 50:30Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 50:32Speaker 03

  So I would posit that.

• 50:33Sean Fennessey?

  It's pretty broad.

• 50:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's broad enough to make a lot fit, including The Natural, a movie where a prodigious talent's life and career are derailed by a ill-timed bullet wound, but also a magical bat is felled by a bolt of lightning? Wonder boy.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  Lightning bolts hit trees all the time.

• 50:51Sean Fennessey?

  I think The Natural qualifies.

• 50:52Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 50:53Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's close, but there's a mythological quality to the story.

• 50:59Speaker 03

  This is baseball gods come to earth. Like Roy Hobbs is a baseball god. He is a mythic figure. He's as much a comic book figure and a figure of lore as he is a baseball player. And so I think by that standard, it qualifies. Okay. What do you think?

• 51:11Speaker 02

  I'm gonna allow it.

• 51:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I forgot. I forgot about the also the random gun person.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  I mean.

• 51:20Amanda Dobbins?

  And why that happens.

• 51:21Sean Fennessey?

  His girlfriend.

• 51:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I know, but it's.

• 51:22Sean Fennessey?

  Who is it? Kim Basinger?

• 51:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. What a night that was. Worth it. So I might say worth it.

• 51:28Sean Fennessey?

  It's a bit of a confusing moment in the story.

• 51:29Speaker 03

  It is. That's another kind of why I think high concept. It is actually a little bit of a, oh, wait, this is the plot of this movie? Like every time you return to it? But look, you can't really say Roy Hobbs or, you know, these certain key terms from The Natural without thinking of the spray of the lights when the Homer hits the light tower. It's just, it's great. Never tire of The Natural. So that's my pick for high concept. And then because Sandlot is off the board, I will go Bad News Bears as my kids movie.

• 51:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Which one?

• 51:59Speaker 03

  The first. Okay, good. The first. With, with, with respect to all the breaking training heads out there, of which I am one, I'm going with, with the first Bad News Bears. Great movie. You know, Kelly Leek, an important figure, an important figure for people of our age. The cigarettes, the attitude. In general, Bad News Bears, you know, what a wonderful story that examines what is winning really worth? What does it mean? You know? Second chances, newfound connection. And also tell those fucking Yankees where to stick their trophy, you know? Great film.

• 52:34Speaker 02

  Do you like the sequel?

• 52:35Speaker 03

  I do, actually.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  Do you like the Linklater remake?

• 52:39Speaker 03

  I am all, one thing I'm, I like pretty much every Linklater movie. One thing I'm always a little bit troubled by as I age is when people are like, oh, I watched the wrong Bad News Bears.

• 52:48Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:49Speaker 03

  Which happens a lot, I think.

• 52:50Sean Fennessey?

  Meaning they watched the Billy Bob Thornton version instead of the original.

• 52:53Speaker 03

  Wait, so that's always, that that happens, I think, with increasing frequency.

• 52:56Sean Fennessey?

  It holds up very well.

• 52:57Amanda Dobbins?

  I'd never seen it until this year. Yeah. And it is wonderful.

• 53:01Speaker 03

  It's a delight.

• 53:01Amanda Dobbins?

  And I was like, oh, this.

• 53:03Sean Fennessey?

  It's Michael Ritchie. I mean, and him in the middle of an amazing period of filming.

• 53:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Those kids are so funny.

• 53:07Speaker 03

  And it's edgy for, it feels when you're a kid. It's definitely a kids movie, but it feels edgy, right? It feels like slightly promiscuous in a fun way. So, yeah, The Natural and High Concept, Bad News Bears and Kids Movie. Back to Dob Mob.

• 53:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I'm, I'm sorry for what's about to happen.

• 53:23Speaker 03

  Oh, boy. Summer Catch?

• 53:25Amanda Dobbins?

  What?

• 53:27Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I just, I, many of my comedies are off the board, so I am gonna take Ephes.

• 53:33Speaker 03

  That's fine.

• 53:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Which I also, which is a beautiful movie. It's what we.

• 53:37Sean Fennessey?

  Is that a comedy?

• 53:38Amanda Dobbins?

  It's funny. It's observational comedy.

• 53:41Sean Fennessey?

  It's also quite sad.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  I would put it in drama, personally.

• 53:44Amanda Dobbins?

  So are all comedies, because comedy is about exploring your trauma through laughing, right?

• 53:52Sean Fennessey?

  What?

• 53:56Sean Fennessey?

  You circle on that?

• 53:57Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. It's, it is funny.

• 53:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, no, it would be considered a comedy, but I, at the end of it is like a real existential

• 54:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Of course. Which is why I respond to it instead of, you know, some of like the more slapstick options. Yeah, this is, as we were referencing earlier, a movie about a rec league and one game that goes on and on. And everything that it reveals about this community of people and what baseball but means to them, but also just what it is to be a person and, and trying to connect with people and trying to find something that has meaning and to preserve it. So.

• 54:38Speaker 02

  A real hidden gem from the last couple of years.

• 54:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Really wonderful. So that is Ephes, and that's my comedy.

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• 57:11Sean Fennessey?

  In a tough spot.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  I'm gonna fucking kill you if you get me again.

• 57:16Sean Fennessey?

  I'm in a tough spot. Cause there's three movies I want, and there's no way

• 57:24Sean Fennessey?

  all three of them are gonna last through Chris's turn.

• 57:26Speaker 02

  I'm ghostbusting you, man. I'm trying to ESP you.

• 57:29Sean Fennessey?

  Are you being Vigo?

• 57:31Speaker 02

  I'm just trying to, like, I'm trying to project what I want. I've done it. I can only do so much.

• 57:40Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 57:41Speaker 02

  And it's all good, because if you do it, it just means we're brothers. It's cool.

• 57:44Speaker 03

  That's beautiful.

• 57:46Sean Fennessey?

  In drama, I'm taking Sugar.

• 57:48Speaker 02

  That's not what I was gonna do, but I was definitely high up my list.

• 57:51Speaker 03

  That's a great, great movie. Well, then that worked out.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  Bowden and Fleck, Cooking.

• 57:55Speaker 03

  All these picks are great.

• 57:56Sean Fennessey?

  Is this their last great movie? Did Mississippi Grind come out before this? It did, right?

• 58:01Speaker 02

  After. Sugar was after Half Nelson and then, and then this.

• 58:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, Sugar was '08, right?

• 58:07Sean Fennessey?

  Anna Bowden and Ryan Fleck, who are probably best known widely for having directed Captain Marvel, which is an atrocious film.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  And a couple of episodes of Masters of the Air.

• 58:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, they made some TV. They've made some, some, some good films since.

• 58:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Was it the Callum Turner episodes?

• 58:22Speaker 02

  Uh, it's the second half after Fukunaga vanished. I can't remember what.

• 58:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 58:30Sean Fennessey?

  Sugar is a film, maybe in 2008, about a young player whose nickname is Sugar, played by Alheinas Perez Soto, who is a Dominican farmhand. He's a young, like a rising young talent. The movie is probably the most realistic portrayal of what it means to play in the minor leagues. It's very different from Bull Durham, which is more farcical and fun. And this is more about, it's an immigration story. It's a story about a person kind of lost inside of a culture and also a person who has to confront what they do when their life doesn't work out exactly as they're told it's going to work out. Very like sharply,

• 59:12Sean Fennessey?

  nicely observed drama. And there's not a lot of films about this, like, like this about sports in general. It is not about a famous person, that features an actor you've never seen before. And it does feel like it's from a completely different era in Sundance filmmaking. I really, really like this movie. And it's one of the very few baseball dramas that isn't like a star-laden, kind of gloopy vehicle. And we'll see if people get into those, any of those films as we keep going in here. But I would take this over. Some other stuff.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:45Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 59:45Sean Fennessey?

  That's sugar.

• 59:46Speaker 03

  Good pick.

• 59:47Speaker 02

  Okay, two for me. In, uh, based on a true story, I'm gonna take Eight Men Out. John Sales' movie about the Black Sox scandal. I think we've talked about this on this pod.

• 59:58Sean Fennessey?

  We have.

• 59:58Speaker 02

  At various points, but the 1919 World Series and the gambling scandal that rocked baseball. Stars John Cusack, David Strathairn, DB Sweeney, and a litany of other people, especially, uh...

• 1:00:12Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible Shoeless Joe pod from you so far.

• 1:00:14Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:00:15Sean Fennessey?

  Shoeless Joe Jackson.

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  Um, kind of forgotten because at the time, because a lot of the movies that were coming out about baseball around this time celebrated baseball and celebrated the mythology and the romance and the fantasy of, you know, you'll hit the homerun in the last inning or whatever. And this is about a bunch of guys who, uh, basically had their lives ruined by participating in or being adjacent to a gambling scandal in the early 20th century. And it's a fucking incredible movie.

• 1:00:44Sean Fennessey?

  Well, part of what's so good about it is like, there's a lot of nuance in the way that it's portrayed. Cause like, as with all John Sales movies, it's really about power and wealth and who controls who and the idea of ownership and, um, just what a terrible, was it Comiskey was the owner of the team at the time?

• 1:00:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there's also, or Abe, uh, Comiskey, yeah, no, it was Comiskey because it was the White Sox. Um, but then there's all this stuff about, uh, who put forward effort even in throwing it.

• 1:01:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? And like the guy, like various guys who didn't really seem to have any idea of what was going on or guys who were basically like, I'm not taking the money, but you can only do so much as an individual in a baseball team.

• 1:01:21Speaker 03

  And that is, I mean, that is part of them, the, the plot of Field of Dreams, right? Like when he has to reckon with the guilt he carries for saying to his dad, like, how could your hero be a criminal? And then of course, this is the, this is the penance, right? And this is the way that he can reconnect with, uh, ghosts of many forms is to find some empathy for, for that experience. So, yeah.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  John says that to me all the time about Chase Utley. When I walk into a cornfield.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  Okay, so I, uh, I take that in based on a true story.

• 1:01:56Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, you have another picks here.

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, and...

• 1:02:00Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:02:04Speaker 02

  I think in, um, High Concept.

• 1:02:09Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:10Speaker 02

  I'm gonna take the 1989, a third 1989 film, and that is Night Game starring Roy Scheider.

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  Oh my god!

• 1:02:16Speaker 02

  Which is about a Houston police detective trying to catch a serial killer who only kills blonde chicks while the Astros have night games.

• 1:02:24Sean Fennessey?

  This is just, first of all, it's a fantastic pick. Second of all, this is one of the greatest movie posters of all time.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:31Sean Fennessey?

  It's a hook hand.

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:33Sean Fennessey?

  Through a baseball.

• 1:02:34Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  Lot of really good Astrodome footage in this movie.

• 1:02:38Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  Um, Scheider.

• 1:02:41Sean Fennessey?

  That's what you were looking for.

• 1:02:42Speaker 02

  Scheider is on a phone, phoning it in in this movie. Like, whatever he thought he was signing up for, this is the paycheck of all paychecks. It has such a crazy that guy cast and is mostly about blondes being murdered in Houston.

• 1:02:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  And I'm only emphasizing that because the film goes to great lengths to be like, this guy likes killing blondes.

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:03:05Speaker 02

  Um, it's on Tubi. I highly recommend it. Peter Masterson directed it. Transworld Entertainment put it out.

• 1:03:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:12Speaker 02

  One of our great studios at that time. Um, have you seen this one, Big Dog?

• 1:03:17Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I have seen this movie. Um, sitting at a 2.7 on Letterboxd right now. I'm looking for the logs. How do I see how many people have seen this movie? Not many.

• 1:03:26Speaker 03

  This is the first true twist of the draft.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  It'll be an interesting testament to my influence in that space to see if we get a couple of, a couple more logs.

• 1:03:36Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:03:36Speaker 02

  Get those numbers up.

• 1:03:37Speaker 03

  Hits the one million club? There you go.

• 1:03:40Sean Fennessey?

  You know.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  When it passes Eddington.

• 1:03:43Sean Fennessey?

  Peter Masterson also came up, I forget, for the Hackman, did you watch Full Moon in Blue Water?

• 1:03:48Speaker 03

  No, I don't think so.

• 1:03:49Sean Fennessey?

  The Terry Gar movie?

• 1:03:50Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:03:50Sean Fennessey?

  What a weird career he had. Uh, I mean, honestly, a great CR pick. Neither of your picks were the movies that were on my board, which is fascinating for me.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  Eight Men Out, wasn't on your board?

• 1:03:58Sean Fennessey?

  It was, but I already picked based on a true story, so it was, uh, okay. I don't know where to put this movie, but I'm gonna take this movie because this is also a relic of my childhood. I've got two potential spaces where I can put it.

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  Okay, this is exciting.

• 1:04:14Sean Fennessey?

  And I think I'm gonna put it in High Concept.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm, yeah.

• 1:04:18Sean Fennessey?

  And I'm gonna take Rookie of the Year.

• 1:04:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, you got to.

• 1:04:22Amanda Dobbins?

  This movie rules.

• 1:04:22Speaker 03

  This movie is so good.

• 1:04:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I love it.

• 1:04:24Sean Fennessey?

  I have no problem saying one of my absolute favorite movies when I was 11 years old.

• 1:04:29Speaker 03

  Same. I mean, I'm deleting it from High Concept. You got there first. It's all I can do.

• 1:04:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:04:33Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:04:34Sean Fennessey?

  Henry Rowen Gartner.

• 1:04:35Amanda Dobbins?

  He breaks his arm.

• 1:04:36Speaker 03

  The tendon stays tight.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  It's too tight.

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  And the doctor's just like, eh! You don't need to say it like that, just because we were all of an age where...

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  I was watching Night Game, if you know what I'm saying.

• 1:04:50Speaker 03

  Indeed. Okay, yeah, this is a wonderful movie.

• 1:04:54Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I believe this is Daniel Stern's directorial debut. He also plays the pitching coach in this film, uh, Phil Brickma.

• 1:05:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. Is he, or is he the Cubs pitching coach? Bobby Bonilla is in this movie as a Met.

• 1:05:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, they're, the Mets are embarrassed, which was hard to accept, but the Cubs are kind of a joke at this time. So it was okay and they, they needed something. Uh, a couple of things about this movie, truly deranged Gary Busey performance as, as Chet Rocket Stedman.

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. He thought he was a night game. He was like...

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  But I love it.

• 1:05:25Sean Fennessey?

  He seems completely coked out of his mind. It's so entertaining.

• 1:05:29Speaker 03

  Do me a favor, kid, don't call me that. Lot of demons. Lot of demons.

• 1:05:33Sean Fennessey?

  Thomas Ian Nicholas, honestly, great job. Great job by him. I, I'm not sure that the science checks out on Henry Rowen Gartner, being able to throw 104 miles an hour, but seems, seemed like a lot of fun when I was 11. I just wanna cite two people. One, Amy Morton, legendary Chicago stage actress, indie actress, who plays, uh, Henry's mom, who's terrific in the movie.

• 1:05:56Speaker 03

  Wonderful, and they have that nice moment at the end when he's on the mound.

• 1:05:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Peeling the glove.

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  I may have cheered up watching that this morning.

• 1:06:02Amanda Dobbins?

  May have. Sound like a baby every time I see it.

• 1:06:05Speaker 03

  But I did like re-watch it this morning because I was like, I haven't seen this in many years.

• 1:06:09Sean Fennessey?

  This is a great kids movie. And then the last person is Bruce Altman, who plays like the new stepdad figure, who's just a real motherfucker. Just a real motherfucker.

• 1:06:16Speaker 03

  Well, I sold him!

• 1:06:19Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, yeah, that could have obviously gone in kids movie.

• 1:06:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:23Sean Fennessey?

  And maybe I'll regret not taking it in kids movie. Nevertheless, it is a high concept that a 12-year-old boy would be able to throw 100 miles an hour and strike out major leaguers.

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:33Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:06:33Speaker 03

  What a, what a movie, what a film.

• 1:06:34Amanda Dobbins?

  That's true.

• 1:06:35Speaker 03

  I probably watched that a thousand times when I was a kid.

• 1:06:37Sean Fennessey?

  I watched it all the time.

• 1:06:38Speaker 03

  Me too. And that was on my high concept list and now it's out, but that's okay. Uh, things are getting a little thin for me. That's okay, you know? So I'm gonna go, except for Wild Card, where I can go for days. So, uh, in Based on a True Story, I'm gonna take the other film that made me cry this morning when I was doing a refresher, which is The Rookie.

• 1:06:56Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah, great movie.

• 1:06:58Speaker 03

  Listen, when he calls his son to tell him that he's gonna start in the major leagues, I mean...

• 1:07:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:05Speaker 03

  It's wonderful.

• 1:07:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, this is a really good movie.

• 1:07:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, um, and every, everything with the team. So this is about, it's Dennis Quaid plays a high school coach and I believe, no, a high school teacher, I believe, Texas, who did not get to pitch, he never got to try out for the major leagues because his dad, Brian Cox, didn't believe in him. And then he does...

• 1:07:27Sean Fennessey?

  It's kind of a sequel to a prequel to Succession, now that I think about it.

• 1:07:30Speaker 03

  And then at the age of 35, the high school baseball team that he coaches kind of like goads him into trying out. And then he ultimately gets to pitch and it's just absolutely beautiful.

• 1:07:41Sean Fennessey?

  Based on the true story of Jim Morris.

• 1:07:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:42Speaker 02

  I would say Dennis Quaid probably has the silver medal for sports movies of this era underneath the cover.

• 1:07:50Sean Fennessey?

  It's Cap Rooney in Any Given Sunday.

• 1:07:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:52Sean Fennessey?

  Incredibly credible as an NFL quarterback.

• 1:07:54Speaker 02

  What's the one with Robin Williams? Best of Times?

• 1:07:57Sean Fennessey?

  Best of Time, no, that's Kurt Russell.

• 1:07:59Speaker 02

  Uh, no, but Quaid is a Ellis...

• 1:08:02Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:08:04Speaker 02

  He's, he's got a football movie, hold on. That's not...

• 1:08:06Sean Fennessey?

  That's not Any Given Sunday?

• 1:08:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, one second.

• 1:08:08Sean Fennessey?

  I, I think he's a really good, is Cap Rooney basically playing Dan Marino in Any Given Sunday?

• 1:08:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, mm-hmm.

• 1:08:13Sean Fennessey?

  Um, The Rookie is a really good movie.

• 1:08:16Speaker 03

  It's really, really, it's, and you know, it's like old school, very classic, very...

• 1:08:20Sean Fennessey?

  Very sentimental, totally Disneyfied, but works really well, very emotional. It is the kind of movie that the early part of this conversation was like, could you still make this? And would you accept it because of its sentimentality?

• 1:08:32Speaker 03

  I don't know, but they're trying to do, what's the, uh, Superman plays the giant movie coming out?

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  Mr. Irrelevant.

• 1:08:37Speaker 03

  Mr. Irrelevant. It's like, I mean, it's football and...

• 1:08:40Speaker 02

  That looks good.

• 1:08:41Speaker 03

  And I will say, he gave like a very convincing intro at CinemaCon, just being like, you know, I'm Eagles born and bred and it was very hard for me to put on a Giants jersey and I just want you to all know.

• 1:08:51Speaker 02

  Of course, what's a G?

• 1:08:52Speaker 03

  He is.

• 1:08:52Speaker 02

  I don't really recognize that depiction of Lord's Taylor in the preview that I've seen.

• 1:08:57Sean Fennessey?

  Or Bill Parcells.

• 1:08:58Speaker 02

  Or Bill Parcells.

• 1:08:59Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it's being played by the Michael Shannon, who's known to play lunatics.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  Dennis Quaid was in Everybody's All American.

• 1:09:05Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, I've never seen that.

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  Uh, Taylor Hackford movie.

• 1:09:08Sean Fennessey?

  I've never seen that. Okay, um, now we're to Mallory for two picks.

• 1:09:13Speaker 03

  Oh, hoi vey. Okay.

• 1:09:16Sean Fennessey?

  We're getting down to the end here.

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  Who's gonna break the seal with Wild Card? So I wonder if Mal's gonna do here.

• 1:09:21Speaker 03

  I, I am gonna take my Wild Card on the turn. Yeah, I am. I'm gonna save drama for last.

• 1:09:25Sean Fennessey?

  Mal's got Drama, Based on a True Story, and Wild Card to go.

• 1:09:28Speaker 03

  I'm gonna take my Based on a True Story. I'm gonna take 61, which I really love. I think that movie's great. Billy Crystal, this is the, the Maris Mantle movie. Shout out Thomas Jane.

• 1:09:38Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:09:39Speaker 03

  Always fun to see him.

• 1:09:40Sean Fennessey?

  I'm more of a Barry Pepper guy.

• 1:09:42Speaker 03

  Barry Pepper as Maris is, it's a wonderful performance, just sensational.

• 1:09:45Sean Fennessey?

  Looks like a fucking optical illusion.

• 1:09:48Speaker 03

  Uh, I really love this movie. The first time I saw it, I thought it was just absolutely excellent. And, uh, I haven't rewatched it as many times as I'd like over the years, but I, I quite enjoy this film. Um, and it is like a version, you know, you were saying it's kind of like, okay, what, where's the, where's the, the Sosa, McGuire, Bond, steroid era, like, movies? This is obviously a, uh, historical backdrop for, um, the PED moment that came after in terms of the records and, and what stands and how we now appreciate the, the deeper history and new. But movies, dramatizations, fictionalizations about real baseball history and these moments where every single at bat carried some sort of significant consequence,

• 1:10:33Speaker 03

  just like, I don't know, electric. So, yeah, I love that movie. I'm taking 61 in Based on a True Story. And then I'm gonna...

• 1:10:40Sean Fennessey?

  Hold on, hold on.

• 1:10:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, please.

• 1:10:41Sean Fennessey?

  Who is the real, who's the true homerun king in baseball, in your opinion?

• 1:10:44Speaker 03

  Oh, wow, okay.

• 1:10:45Speaker 02

  Oh, that's a good question.

• 1:10:46Speaker 03

  Do you not think it's Barry Bonds because of the steroids?

• 1:10:48Sean Fennessey?

  I'm, I'm asking your opinion.

• 1:10:52Speaker 03

  I, my feeling, this is a very, we could have a four-hour discussion on this, but I think that it's a complicated thing in real time to litigate cheating in baseball because there are versions of cheating in baseball across baseball history, right? So...

• 1:11:11Speaker 03

  Betting on the game is like befouling something sacred.

• 1:11:15Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:11:15Speaker 02

  So that's why you're not acknowledging Pete Rose's Hit King?

• 1:11:19Speaker 02

  In honor of Grand Wizard Ty Cobb?

• 1:11:23Speaker 03

  Barry Bonds hit those home runs. He did it with some, with some aid. To me, it's, it's crazy that Barry Bonds wouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. Do you, do you disagree?

• 1:11:29Sean Fennessey?

  Barry Bonds is the best baseball player I've ever seen. Yeah. So without question.

• 1:11:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, there you go. What about you? What do you think?

• 1:11:36Speaker 02

  Uh, I mean, it's funny. I'm going through this right now.

• 1:11:39Speaker 03

  It'll be Aaron Judge by the end of it.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  Manchester City cheating for the last decade in, in the Premier League.

• 1:11:43Sean Fennessey?

  Is that, has that been happening?

• 1:11:45Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah. And they've, they've been brought up on 114 charges of financial fraud.

• 1:11:51Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, I missed this one.

• 1:11:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Was Jude part of it?

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  Jude is not part of it.

• 1:11:54Speaker 03

  Okay, thank God. Very important to me as well. Not my beloved Jude.

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  Erling Haaland is part of it.

• 1:12:01Speaker 03

  Oh, dear. Oh, yeah.

• 1:12:03Speaker 02

  They say lying about his transfer. Any case, I don't think that they should have to give back those trophies. They won them.

• 1:12:09Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 1:12:09Sean Fennessey?

  Can you name the 10 seasons in which a player has hit 60 home runs?

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  Uh, no.

• 1:12:15Sean Fennessey?

  Sorry.

• 1:12:16Speaker 02

  Isn't there like a bunch recently? Like, didn't Cal Raleigh do it?

• 1:12:19Sean Fennessey?

  Cal Raleigh did it.

• 1:12:20Speaker 03

  God, obviously.

• 1:12:21Sean Fennessey?

  Aaron Judge.

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:22Sean Fennessey?

  He did it in 2022.

• 1:12:24Speaker 03

  Bonds.

• 1:12:27Sean Fennessey?

  Bonds did it one time.

• 1:12:29Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:12:30Sean Fennessey?

  He hit 73.

• 1:12:31Speaker 03

  Sure did.

• 1:12:32Sean Fennessey?

  Roger Maris hit 61.

• 1:12:34Speaker 02

  Hank Aaron.

• 1:12:35Sean Fennessey?

  Hank Aaron never hit 60 in the season.

• 1:12:39Sean Fennessey?

  Did Hank Aaron even hit 50 in the season?

• 1:12:42Sean Fennessey?

  Not sure that he did.

• 1:12:43Speaker 02

  He just hit 40 for 30 years like that?

• 1:12:47Sean Fennessey?

  I believe so.

• 1:12:49Speaker 03

  Obviously, McGuire and Sosa, who we already talked about, of course.

• 1:12:53Sean Fennessey?

  Hank Aaron's, the most he hit was 47 in the season. Uh, McGuire hit it, did it twice. Sammy Sosa did it three times. Sammy Sosa had 66, 64, and 63 homerun seasons. Pretty remarkable.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  And.

• 1:13:08Speaker 03

  PEDs and court's bats. Yeah.

• 1:13:12Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he did have some help.

• 1:13:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:13Sean Fennessey?

  Barry Bonds was 36 years old when he hit 73 home runs. That's older than Kyle Schwaber and Bryce Harper are right now.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:13:20Sean Fennessey?

  So it could go the other way.

• 1:13:22Speaker 02

  Yes, they could get.

• 1:13:23Sean Fennessey?

  On PEDs.

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  Monstarred out. Yeah.

• 1:13:26Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, okay. You have a second pick. I'm sorry to interrupt.

• 1:13:28Speaker 03

  Oh, gosh. Um, I think that Jude had some teammate relations issues recently.

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  With who?

• 1:13:35Speaker 03

  Someone from Real Madrid.

• 1:13:36Speaker 02

  Oh, yes. Yeah.

• 1:13:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. But my two remaining categories are drama and wild card. Yeah.

• 1:13:42Amanda Dobbins?

  They seem to do that based on what I learned this summer.

• 1:13:45Speaker 03

  Okay. The highest overall rated movie that I still have left is.

• 1:13:48Amanda Dobbins?

  According to who?

• 1:13:49Speaker 03

  To me, to my personal ranking, my, my color coded spreadsheet that I quickly whipped up.

• 1:13:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 1:13:54Speaker 03

  I, I mean, could I try to get it into drama? Like, maybe, but I think it would be more authentic to take it as my wild card. So I'm going to take Damn Yankees.

• 1:14:01Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:14:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Fuck, Mallory.

• 1:14:03Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:14:04Amanda Dobbins?

  That was getting my high concept.

• 1:14:05Speaker 03

  Musical comedy and a high concept? I mean, you're selling your soul? Yeah, it certainly could have been. I almost took it at a high concept earlier.

• 1:14:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:11Speaker 03

  Then I was allowed to take the natural.

• 1:14:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:14Amanda Dobbins?

  What the fuck, Mallory?

• 1:14:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it's fine. Luckily, I have another bad.

• 1:14:20Speaker 03

  You can get back at me by taking Summer Catch in the last round. Okay, fine. Whatever. Go ahead.

• 1:14:26Amanda Dobbins?

  This movie's great.

• 1:14:26Speaker 03

  No, I mean, it's, that reaction says, you, you made the pick for me, I think, with that reaction. Wonderful concept, wonderful film, wonderful. Wonderful theatrical production. Have you guys seen this on the stage?

• 1:14:37Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't. No. It debuted.

• 1:14:39Speaker 03

  I have. It's great.

• 1:14:40Sean Fennessey?

  Sometime ago.

• 1:14:40Speaker 02

  I think you see Tyler Ferguson is like, just does it, has been doing it for like 12 years or something.

• 1:14:45Speaker 03

  That's sensational stuff.

• 1:14:47Sean Fennessey?

  Isn't it, um, Bob Fosse who originally did the choreography in this?

• 1:14:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and it's Gwen Verdon is in the movie as well. And Fosse is in the, that's what I was just singing when they do the Mambo number. Yeah.

• 1:14:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Fuck.

• 1:14:58Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 1:14:58Amanda Dobbins?

  It's fine. It's okay.

• 1:14:59Speaker 03

  Joe Hardy high rise, you know? I don't know what else to say.

• 1:15:03Amanda Dobbins?

  My pick is, the pick I have left is stupid but funny to talk about.

• 1:15:08Speaker 03

  Okay, let's hear it. You're up.

• 1:15:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, who says I'm going to do that? I'm obviously just going to go to Wild Card and take Good Will Hunting. And the scene that with the, the scene in the therapy office, I had to see about a girl, you know, when he's recounting.

• 1:15:20Speaker 03

  Okay, so this is why you were asking earlier. And it's just.

• 1:15:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:23Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 1:15:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Multiple baseball scenes in Good Will Hunting.

• 1:15:26Speaker 03

  But we call it a baseball movie?

• 1:15:28Speaker 02

  Mallory.

• 1:15:30Amanda Dobbins?

  We talked about this at the beginning. You were present for it, where baseball scenes in, baseball related scenes in non-baseball movies. They do also get kicked out of a Little League game.

• 1:15:41Sean Fennessey?

  Baseball scene in the movie is going to the Little League game, talking shit and sitting in the bleachers like a bunch of fucking losers. It's a great movie. I, I think, I think that's totally fine in Wild Card.

• 1:15:53Amanda Dobbins?

  The Carlton Fisk and, you know, reenacting it and waving it out. And I had to go see About a Girl. There we go. So shout out Good Will Hunting.

• 1:16:03Sean Fennessey?

  Who are you rooting for this year in the playoffs? Can't root for the Red Sox.

• 1:16:07Speaker 03

  Probably the Brewers.

• 1:16:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:08Speaker 03

  We'll see some Ms. Magic. No, with, with love to the Phillies, you know?

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  We have the Dodgers. We have the Braves and then the Dodgers if we get past the Braves. So it's.

• 1:16:17Sean Fennessey?

  It's off road.

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  If we get to pass the Dodgers, it's because like God has come down and touched Bryce Harper and it's going to happen.

• 1:16:26Amanda Dobbins?

  That would be beautiful. That's, that's a movie making.

• 1:16:28Sean Fennessey?

  Could absolutely happen. Okay, is it my pick?

• 1:16:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:30Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:16:31Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, my.

• 1:16:36Sean Fennessey?

  Kids movie.

• 1:16:38Speaker 03

  Bangers left.

• 1:16:40Sean Fennessey?

  I'm going to take The Bad News Bears and Breaking Training. I'm not going to say it's better than Bad News Bears.

• 1:16:44Speaker 03

  It's not.

• 1:16:46Speaker 03

  It's good.

• 1:16:46Sean Fennessey?

  But in terms of, like, you lost your star? And this is clearly a cash grab? Kind of remarkably good.

• 1:16:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:56Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:16:57Sean Fennessey?

  Two reasons.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  Up there with Major League Two.

• 1:17:00Sean Fennessey?

  Kind of similar, although rather than try to replicate Buttermaker with a different actor, they bring in William Devane as Kelly Leek's long lost dad. Kelly Leek finds him. The whole movie is about this struggle between them, their inability to get along. But William Devane turns out to be a great manager. Speaking of the Astrodome, some great Astrodome stuff in Breaking Training, they're playing against the Houston team.

• 1:17:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:17:25Sean Fennessey?

  And I think legitimately one of the best sports sequels ever. There's a couple of movies that I liked when I was a kid that are still on the board here and we can talk about them. I don't think those movies are actually good, though. Whereas I do think The Bad News Bears and Breaking Training is good. I'm not trying to.

• 1:17:39Speaker 03

  It's more like nostalgia and affection than it is.

• 1:17:41Sean Fennessey?

  Like, if you put one of those movies on for me right now, I think I'd be like, eh, I'm not as into it, but we can save that conversation in case those films come up. So.

• 1:17:50Speaker 03

  I hope they do.

• 1:17:50Sean Fennessey?

  Bad News Bears and Breaking Training. Okay, CR, you've got two. Are these your last two picks?

• 1:17:54Speaker 02

  These are my last two picks. Can I have Summer Catch and Kids Movie?

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  Very kids.

• 1:18:00Speaker 03

  Young adult.

• 1:18:01Speaker 02

  Young adults.

• 1:18:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. What do we mean by kids? I, I think, why not?

• 1:18:05Speaker 02

  I think kids is like a little restrictive.

• 1:18:08Sean Fennessey?

  Summer Catch is rated PG-13 for sexual content, language, and drinking.

• 1:18:13Speaker 03

  It's about hooking up and partying.

• 1:18:14Speaker 02

  It's targeted at 13 year olds.

• 1:18:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

• 1:18:17Speaker 02

  Beal, Lillard, Prins, Dennehy.

• 1:18:22Speaker 02

  All cooking.

• 1:18:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:24Sean Fennessey?

  Cooking in it?

• 1:18:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're cooking.

• 1:18:26Sean Fennessey?

  Do you know what Summer Catch has on Rotten Tomatoes?

• 1:18:28Speaker 02

  I think it's like a 5%, right?

• 1:18:29Sean Fennessey?

  It's 8%.

• 1:18:32Sean Fennessey?

  8%.

• 1:18:33Speaker 02

  Well, I didn't say it was a, a long lost American cinematic classic. It's just my, my kids movie of choice.

• 1:18:40Speaker 03

  I support you.

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  And it's about, Freddie Prinze plays a prospect who has one last summer to show his wares to pro scouts. So he's in this like, uh, basically like this minor league, semi-pro league in Cape Cod.

• 1:18:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:56Speaker 02

  And, uh, and then Jessica Biel comes along, gets in his head, and starts thinking about a life outside of baseball. And all his boys are like, this is your chance. You gotta, you gotta, he's like an Otani-esque two-way player. And Tenley, this, Biel plays this woman named Tenley. She's, she's getting in his head about.

• 1:19:13Sean Fennessey?

  Tenley Parish.

• 1:19:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, life and love.

• 1:19:15Sean Fennessey?

  This movie was sold so hard to me and many other young men with a very memorable image of Jessica Biel emerging from a pool.

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:19:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:19:23Sean Fennessey?

  Which was prominently featured in the trailer.

• 1:19:25Speaker 03

  I know it well.

• 1:19:27Sean Fennessey?

  I still didn't go see it.

• 1:19:30Speaker 02

  I like it more than the other kids movies that are left.

• 1:19:33Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:19:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Damn.

• 1:19:34Speaker 02

  And in Wild Card? Interstellar.

• 1:19:40Speaker 02

  There's baseball in Interstellar. The Yankees play in Interstellar during the dust storm.

• 1:19:45Speaker 03

  I remember the dust storm, yeah.

• 1:19:46Speaker 02

  The, the way that Christopher Nolan chooses to communicate the severity of the environmental crisis facing these people is to, is to ruin a baseball game with a, with a dust storm blowing over.

• 1:19:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:00Sean Fennessey?

  You also, in addition to having.

• 1:20:01Speaker 02

  We didn't run out of engineers.

• 1:20:03Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 1:20:03Speaker 02

  Ran out of farmers, you know?

• 1:20:04Sean Fennessey?

  Right, right.

• 1:20:07Sean Fennessey?

  In addition to having a Shoeless Joe draft, you've also had a cornfield draft.

• 1:20:10Speaker 02

  Yes, right. And it's telling because I've started to move into off of snow and mountain horror into cornfield horror.

• 1:20:18Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:20:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:20:20Sean Fennessey?

  It's cornfield horror season for you.

• 1:20:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:22Sean Fennessey?

  So what comprises that? Children of the Corn, of course. How many of those films have you seen?

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  Also Jeepers Creepers, uh, problematic, but also very good horror movies and.

• 1:20:33Sean Fennessey?

  We have so much time in October to talk about problematic horror movies. I promise. I'm gonna carve out a lot of space.

• 1:20:38Speaker 02

  I wasn't trying. I was just, I was just saying, corn is on the mind.

• 1:20:41Sean Fennessey?

  The more problematic the movie, the better for you?

• 1:20:45Speaker 02

  No, no, not when it comes to horror, you know? I like it right down the middle.

• 1:20:50Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, good to know.

• 1:20:51Speaker 02

  Anyway, Interstellar is my wild card.

• 1:20:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, why not?

• 1:20:55Speaker 03

  Can I ask you a sincere question out of genuine curiosity? Are there not like other, more fully framed around baseball, baseball movies that you like enough to, to take? Or is it more just you wanted to take Interstellar?

• 1:21:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Why are you not acknowledging the beginning of?

• 1:21:09Speaker 02

  High Concept was a movie where a guy hits a home run.

• 1:21:12Speaker 03

  I'm not, I'm not, I'm not trying to challenge, pick, I'm genuinely curious. Are you like, I don't really like any more of these baseball movies?

• 1:21:17Speaker 02

  No, I have a bunch that I could have picked.

• 1:21:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:20Speaker 02

  But I thought it would be funny if I did Interstellar.

• 1:21:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:22Speaker 02

  And a lot of my wild cards, I would say are only tangentially baseball related.

• 1:21:28Speaker 03

  Interesting. Okay.

• 1:21:29Sean Fennessey?

  I have a wild card. Now, there are plenty of baseball, scripted baseball movies on the board still.

• 1:21:35Speaker 03

  A lot of documentaries.

• 1:21:36Sean Fennessey?

  But I'll be taking Baseball by Ken Burns.

• 1:21:38Speaker 03

  Wait, is that eligible?

• 1:21:40Speaker 02

  This fucking guy.

• 1:21:40Sean Fennessey?

  Is 61 eligible?

• 1:21:42Speaker 03

  61's a, a feature film. Ken Burns is a-

• 1:21:45Sean Fennessey?

  Where did it air?

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  HBO.

• 1:21:47Speaker 03

  But Ken, I mean, the baseball is nine discs.

• 1:21:52Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 1:21:52Speaker 03

  I know, because it was one of the graduation gifts I received from my dad for high school graduation, the box set.

• 1:21:57Sean Fennessey?

  It's a film. It's a documentary film.

• 1:21:59Speaker 03

  Great. A lot of great Walter Johnson, Big Train info in there.

• 1:22:02Sean Fennessey?

  Also, Wild Card, you know, we allowed Good Will Hunting, so I think it's okay to allow.

• 1:22:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Why, why are you talking to me like I'm a charity case? We discussed the parameters.

• 1:22:09Speaker 02

  She and I brought good content.

• 1:22:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:12Speaker 02

  We brought good content ideas.

• 1:22:13Sean Fennessey?

  As did Ken Burns. I'm here to celebrate.

• 1:22:15Speaker 04

  Is this not a mini-series, Sean?

• 1:22:17Speaker 03

  That's what, that's what I was asking.

• 1:22:18Sean Fennessey?

  We have-

• 1:22:19Speaker 02

  You're off the show.

• 1:22:21Sean Fennessey?

  We've expanded the parameters of this category.

• 1:22:24Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:22:24Sean Fennessey?

  And so I'm, I'm only-

• 1:22:25Speaker 02

  Feel free. You could have had so much fun, you could have picked something wacky.

• 1:22:29Sean Fennessey?

  No, I'm here to, I'm here to represent the-

• 1:22:32Speaker 02

  You're an institutionalist.

• 1:22:33Sean Fennessey?

  The history of this sport, which is finely told decade by decade across nine innings-

• 1:22:38Speaker 03

  Wonderful.

• 1:22:38Sean Fennessey?

  In the original series. Now, one thing I wanted to point out, there was an expansion of the baseball series in 2010 to account for the time period between 1994 and 2010. That transpired. A lot of time spent on baseball and 9/11 and the relationship that baseball fans had. And, you know, New Yorker's amazing, Mike Piazza's home run after the 9/11 game. It's now been 16 years since the 10th inning installation.

• 1:23:03Speaker 02

  Well, you know where this is all going. Ken Burns is National Parks, Ken Burns is baseball. When they play a baseball game at Grand Teton, like they asked Trump if they could do, that's when the two films collide.

• 1:23:16Sean Fennessey?

  And you think Trump should direct it?

• 1:23:18Speaker 02

  Whatever he'd like to do after office, that would be great. Anything to get him out of the paint. If he wants to make films, I support that.

• 1:23:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Anything.

• 1:23:26Sean Fennessey?

  Should he-

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  Narrow that-

• 1:23:27Sean Fennessey?

  Should he run Paramount?

• 1:23:31Sean Fennessey?

  Um-

• 1:23:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it is, I don't know. I don't know why I am.

• 1:23:35Sean Fennessey?

  Go ahead, fight it.

• 1:23:38Sean Fennessey?

  Fight it.

• 1:23:40Speaker 02

  She and I did a lot of work, you know, like we really looked into where else baseball has been found in cinema.

• 1:23:47Sean Fennessey?

  By pointing out two of the most popular movies in the history of the show.

• 1:23:53Sean Fennessey?

  Congrats on all your hard work.

• 1:23:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I've got more where that comes.

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I got a lot of those.

• 1:23:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm just saying, yeah, this, I mean, it is more-

• 1:24:00Sean Fennessey?

  You know, I did just-

• 1:24:00Amanda Dobbins?

  It's episodic.

• 1:24:01Sean Fennessey?

  If you want, I'll take Avengers Endgame Encore. Because there is, of course, a memorable sequence in which Joe Russo says, "I miss the Mets." And there is an overhead shot of an abandoned city field.

• 1:24:11Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:24:12Amanda Dobbins?

  There you go.

• 1:24:12Speaker 02

  I think you should have to do that.

• 1:24:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I think you should do that. Yeah.

• 1:24:16Speaker 02

  Because I want the social engagement of people being like, why did Sean have a traumatic brain injury?

• 1:24:23Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, there are other good documentaries I could take.

• 1:24:25Speaker 02

  Yes, of course there are.

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, there are a lot. I thought you might take No No.

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  I knew it was on the big documentary, you know?

• 1:24:31Sean Fennessey?

  Well, this is the biggest of them all.

• 1:24:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:33Sean Fennessey?

  This is the biggest baseball documentary that ever will be.

• 1:24:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm. Was it eligible for Oscars or was it eligible for Emmys?

• 1:24:39Speaker 04

  It won an Emmy.

• 1:24:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, wah wah.

• 1:24:41Speaker 02

  Do you think that Ken Burns should continue to-

• 1:24:43Sean Fennessey?

  Was 61 eligible for Oscars or was it eligible for Emmys?

• 1:24:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, oh, okay.

• 1:24:47Sean Fennessey?

  It was eligible for Emmys.

• 1:24:48Amanda Dobbins?

  What? Stop making the face of me. I didn't do anything.

• 1:24:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Sorry for pointing out the obvious.

• 1:24:56Sean Fennessey?

  Well, we allowed 61.

• 1:24:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Sally Field won an Emmy for The Octopus Movie.

• 1:25:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Remarkably Bright Creatures.

• 1:25:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, congratulations to her.

• 1:25:03Sean Fennessey?

  Chris hasn't seen it.

• 1:25:04Speaker 02

  Uh, I have not seen it.

• 1:25:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you know what it's narrated by?

• 1:25:08Speaker 02

  It's narrated by somebody?

• 1:25:09Speaker 03

  Well, the octopus has a voice.

• 1:25:11Amanda Dobbins?

  The octopus is the voiceover.

• 1:25:12Speaker 03

  I haven't seen the film, but I read the book.

• 1:25:14Speaker 02

  Ever since they took Paul the Octopus for me, I haven't really engaged with octopus content. There was my octopus teacher.

• 1:25:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:25:19Speaker 02

  Loved that. And then Paul the Octopus running the fucking table on the World Cup.

• 1:25:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:25:23Speaker 02

  And then he's R.I.P., so I'm just out.

• 1:25:26Sean Fennessey?

  You know who voices the octopus, right?

• 1:25:27Speaker 02

  Uh, no.

• 1:25:29Sean Fennessey?

  It's Alfred Molina.

• 1:25:30Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 1:25:31Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doc Ock.

• 1:25:34Sean Fennessey?

  Versus Emmy. Yeah, that's right, exactly.

• 1:25:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Clever.

• 1:25:39Sean Fennessey?

  Amanda, it's Amanda's turn.

• 1:25:40Amanda Dobbins?

  It's fine, you can have, yeah.

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  You're taking Baseball by Ken Burns.

• 1:25:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:43Speaker 02

  And Amanda is going-

• 1:25:44Amanda Dobbins?

  So since we're all feeling flexible, let me pitch you guys.

• 1:25:47Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:25:48Speaker 03

  God.

• 1:25:48Sean Fennessey?

  Is this gonna be more of a change-up or a sinker?

• 1:25:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Let me pitch you guys on the, the high concept of a movie about a magical baseball bat that allows Lieutenant Daniel Caffey-

• 1:26:00Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:26:01Amanda Dobbins?

  To take on the highest drinking member of the Marines.

• 1:26:05Sean Fennessey?

  I have bad news for you. That is a softball bat.

• 1:26:08Speaker 02

  So, yeah, cause, but you can have it when he's got his bat and he's watching like a Twins game.

• 1:26:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and he said, no, no, no, I'm talking about when it's, oh, he really does think better with that bat. Is that still, that's a softball bat?

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  No, that's a baseball bat. That is a wooden baseball bat, if I remember correctly. He uses an aluminum bat in the softball.

• 1:26:28Speaker 03

  A lot of baseball in the background.

• 1:26:29Sean Fennessey?

  You good men, by any definition, a baseball film.

• 1:26:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Let me, let me pitch you on another, another high concept movie.

• 1:26:37Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:26:38Amanda Dobbins?

  About two men, not brothers by blood, but brothers by the streets of Boston. And specifically Charlestown.

• 1:26:48Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 1:26:49Speaker 02

  Let's go.

• 1:26:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Who need to rob Fenway Park.

• 1:26:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:26:53Sean Fennessey?

  She's not gonna punch it in with you. She's not waiting with you.

• 1:26:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you. Sorry.

• 1:26:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Because they have to pay back-

• 1:27:02Speaker 02

  Which one do you think is more baseball?

• 1:27:03Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, neither of them are high concepts. Like, one is a legal drama and the other is a heist movie. They're just genre movies. If you come up with a movie that is a high concept movie that has baseball in it, we could at least entertain the concept.

• 1:27:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:27:16Speaker 02

  Can I give you one?

• 1:27:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I do actually have one more that I watched.

• 1:27:21Sean Fennessey?

  We're podcasting.

• 1:27:22Speaker 02

  I was gonna cheat. I was gonna, I was gonna throw.

• 1:27:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Just answer me.

• 1:27:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I have one more. I think that those were great pitches, you know? And you picked a TV show and so did you, so whatever. But those are at least, those are films that were released in theaters that have baseball in them.

• 1:27:42Sean Fennessey?

  If you had never-

• 1:27:43Amanda Dobbins?

  And baseball plays pivotal roles.

• 1:27:44Sean Fennessey?

  If you had never opened the can of worms on Wild Card, we wouldn't be in this situation.

• 1:27:49Speaker 02

  I did it too, though.

• 1:27:51Sean Fennessey?

  I think if we would have said we were doing strict definition-

• 1:27:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Of what?

• 1:27:54Sean Fennessey?

  Of, of all categories.

• 1:27:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:27:56Sean Fennessey?

  We wouldn't be in this, but because we, we opened up Pandora's Box.

• 1:27:59Amanda Dobbins?

  What, in what position? That I don't have a high concept because she took damn Yankees?

• 1:28:03Sean Fennessey?

  No, I, we wouldn't, we might not have been, you know, having to work through-

• 1:28:07Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 1:28:08Sean Fennessey?

  Well, you needed to watch more high concept films, because there are more out there.

• 1:28:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Thanks so much, Sean. I love your feedback.

• 1:28:16Sean Fennessey?

  Keep pitching now. See if you get one across the line. Or we can just keep this show running in perpetuity.

• 1:28:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I have one more that I watched on Fast Forward.

• 1:28:28Amanda Dobbins?

  In the last 45 minutes before Chris and Mal got here, you guys know about The Catcher Was a Spy?

• 1:28:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:28:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Did you see it?

• 1:28:36Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, yes, not a high concept movie.

• 1:28:40Amanda Dobbins?

  But The Catcher Was a Spy.

• 1:28:42Sean Fennessey?

  Ballroom movies.

• 1:28:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but then he has to like defuse a bomb or something.

• 1:28:47Sean Fennessey?

  I think you're not understanding high concept.

• 1:28:49Speaker 02

  Take taste and confuse.

• 1:28:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I did, but Mallory took it from me. And then you took Rookie of the Year and he took Field of Dreams.

• 1:28:57Speaker 03

  It's not too late to do Angels in the Outfield.

• 1:28:59Speaker 02

  You've not seen Angels in the Outfield.

• 1:29:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't like Angels in the Outfield. I'm too good morning.

• 1:29:03Sean Fennessey?

  You keep pitching movies, you're like, what about Casablanca? I should be able to take Pocahontas.

• 1:29:09Amanda Dobbins?

  They don't have baseball. I know those films well.

• 1:29:12Speaker 02

  Terrence Malick's The New World.

• 1:29:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't want Angels in the Outfield.

• 1:29:17Sean Fennessey?

  What about Little Big League?

• 1:29:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, Little Big League is definitely eligible. That movie's also great. Obviously, what you were referencing earlier, right? Little Big League and Angels in the Outfield, I assume?

• 1:29:26Sean Fennessey?

  No, they're not great.

• 1:29:27Speaker 03

  When you were saying those are not actually good, but like we have a fondness for them.

• 1:29:29Sean Fennessey?

  They're memorable from our, from our youth.

• 1:29:31Speaker 03

  Watched them thousands of times.

• 1:29:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, why can't I do Dazed and Confused?

• 1:29:37Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I don't think it's a high concept movie.

• 1:29:40Speaker 02

  It's, it takes place over the course of one night.

• 1:29:42Sean Fennessey?

  Is that a high concept?

• 1:29:43Speaker 02

  It's a concept.

• 1:29:44Sean Fennessey?

  It's not really.

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  And they get high in the movie.

• 1:29:50Sean Fennessey?

  Now, that's funny. If she had pitched that, I would have accepted that.

• 1:29:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, my God, incredible.

• 1:29:55Sean Fennessey?

  What, I'll, I'll reread what I said, what I wrote to Mallory.

• 1:29:57Amanda Dobbins?

  But you didn't write to us.

• 1:29:59Sean Fennessey?

  Features.

• 1:29:59Amanda Dobbins?

  So, once again.

• 1:30:01Speaker 03

  I support you.

• 1:30:01Amanda Dobbins?

  There was the definition was not.

• 1:30:03Sean Fennessey?

  You could have asked. You could have asked.

• 1:30:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, you know what? I don't like to ask for permission. I like to ask for forgiveness.

• 1:30:09Sean Fennessey?

  Well, unfortunately, you have to get permission from me to end this episode. Magical.

• 1:30:13Amanda Dobbins?

  What if I don't?

• 1:30:14Sean Fennessey?

  This film features, you can walk off and you're, you're draftingly incomplete.

• 1:30:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:19Sean Fennessey?

  Do you want to file an incomplete? I don't think so. The film must feature magical presence or quality, anything that is absurdist or gimmicky.

• 1:30:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I'm Googling magical baseball movies. You want to do this? We're gonna do this. Okay, let's see. I don't want to do, I don't want to do Angels in the Outfield.

• 1:30:37Speaker 02

  Would Ethis be a high concept baseball?

• 1:30:40Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think so.

• 1:30:40Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:30:41Sean Fennessey?

  I, I'll, I'll, I'm willing to hand you this one. You may not have seen this movie.

• 1:30:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:30:46Sean Fennessey?

  But I think Brewster's Millions is a great high concept baseball movie.

• 1:30:49Speaker 03

  What about It Happens Every Spring?

• 1:30:51Sean Fennessey?

  You know, I've never seen that.

• 1:30:52Speaker 03

  Also eligible, there's a, a substance that comes into play.

• 1:30:55Speaker 02

  See, I thought For Love of the Game would be a high concept baseball movie.

• 1:30:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I had it, but then.

• 1:31:02Sean Fennessey?

  I think that's debatable. Because of its structure?

• 1:31:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:31:07Speaker 02

  High concept is the first thing that they walk into the room and they pitch the movie is like, it takes place over the course of one game. This guy having flashbacks about his emotions. In, in a way, For Love of the Game.

• 1:31:17Amanda Dobbins?

  If Damn Yankees is.

• 1:31:19Speaker 02

  Hugely influential and well fall.

• 1:31:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Then For Love of the Game can be.

• 1:31:21Speaker 03

  But Damn Yankees involves trading your soul.

• 1:31:24Sean Fennessey?

  Satan is in Damn Yankees.

• 1:31:25Speaker 03

  I, you know, I will say this.

• 1:31:27Amanda Dobbins?

  You don't know what's going on in Costner's head in For Love of the Game.

• 1:31:29Sean Fennessey?

  He's not Satan, I can assure you of that.

• 1:31:31Speaker 03

  Got a handjob under a towel, asks, how do you like to be kissed? So, we have a pretty good idea, actually. I have on my camera roll, as I've said on rewatchables before, about 5,000 pictures of Kevin Costner smelling his glove in that movie. Very important film. I wouldn't mind it being selected in this draft.

• 1:31:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Um.

• 1:31:47Sean Fennessey?

  I'm, I'm willing to roll with that if that's something you wanted.

• 1:31:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, oh, Ed's a great pick. Yes, Ed's a great pick.

• 1:31:53Sean Fennessey?

  Ed is eligible.

• 1:31:54Amanda Dobbins?

  That is definitely eligible. That would be amazing.

• 1:31:56Sean Fennessey?

  Ed is about a baseball-playing monkey. And it is the first project that Matt LeBlanc signed on for in the aftermath of his friend's success.

• 1:32:04Amanda Dobbins?

  That is, that's actually an incredible pick. Fine, Ed it is.

• 1:32:09Sean Fennessey?

  Ed is eligible. You're gonna get to pick a village.

• 1:32:14Speaker 03

  Holy shit, that was really worth it. Genuinely, that was great. Ed.

• 1:32:19Speaker 02

  I think I'm out.

• 1:32:19Sean Fennessey?

  You're out.

• 1:32:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:20Sean Fennessey?

  Mal has one more pick, excuse me.

• 1:32:24Speaker 03

  Boy.

• 1:32:24Sean Fennessey?

  We're gonna get to go home today, folks.

• 1:32:26Speaker 03

  It's hard to top Ed to bring the draft. So, my last, I actually haven't taken my drama. My last pick is my drama.

• 1:32:32Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:32:33Speaker 03

  Um.

• 1:32:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, congratulations.

• 1:32:36Speaker 03

  Interesting, interesting.

• 1:32:37Sean Fennessey?

  Well, Ed's off the board.

• 1:32:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:39Speaker 03

  But For Love of the Game is still here. I could go with the Costner bookend, you know, Bull Durham to open and For Love of the Game to close. But I'm gonna take 42. I feel like that movie should be selected in this draft.

• 1:32:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:50Speaker 03

  Right?

• 1:32:50Sean Fennessey?

  Sure. Can't believe I just took Ed off my long list.

• 1:32:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I also had to cross off Ed, which I did have on my board, I gotta say.

• 1:33:01Speaker 03

  There were a lot of movies that weren't taken. Angels in the Outfield, Little Big League.

• 1:33:05Sean Fennessey?

  So.

• 1:33:05Speaker 03

  Pride of the Yankees, For Love of the Game, Fever Pitch, Million Dollar Arm, sheesh. Yeah, a lot of documentary. Hardball didn't get taken.

• 1:33:12Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:33:12Speaker 03

  Bang the Drum Slowly didn't get taken.

• 1:33:14Sean Fennessey?

  I think Bang the Drum Slowly and The Bingo Long Traveling All-Stars are both great. Those are two, like, great 70s movies that don't have as much of a legacy now, but are both very, very good.

• 1:33:22Speaker 03

  I was deciding for my.

• 1:33:23Sean Fennessey?

  I think everybody wants them.

• 1:33:24Speaker 03

  For my pick here, I was deciding between, between, um, between 42 and, and Bang the Drum Slowly. But I don't know how many, I don't know. Do, how many people have seen Bang the Drum Slowly, do we think?

• 1:33:35Speaker 02

  I've seen it.

• 1:33:36Speaker 03

  Great movie.

• 1:33:37Sean Fennessey?

  I think not a lot of people. It is very, very good. Michael Moriarty and Robert De Niro as a pitcher and catcher.

• 1:33:42Speaker 03

  Quite sad.

• 1:33:42Sean Fennessey?

  Um, who are, who are literally tied together contractually, um, and emotionally.

• 1:33:47Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:33:48Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, you know, I think, Amanda, you could have gone after The Naked Gun.

• 1:33:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, interesting. Sure, but like, I don't really care about that, so. I mean, Ed was an iconic pick.

• 1:33:59Speaker 02

  Would you allow Amanda to take Ferris Bueller's Day Off?

• 1:34:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 1:34:04Sean Fennessey?

  You're really interested in movies across one day being high concept.

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  Oh, is a high concept movie? I wasn't saying that. I was saying it's a wild card.

• 1:34:11Sean Fennessey?

  It's a wild card, sure.

• 1:34:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's a wild card.

• 1:34:12Speaker 02

  Okay. High concept, I think I just had a different interpretation, but you know what? You're the, you're the author of this pod.

• 1:34:19Sean Fennessey?

  What about Mr. 3000?

• 1:34:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:34:23Sean Fennessey?

  Have you seen that?

• 1:34:24Speaker 02

  Uh, that's Bernie Mac. I have seen that.

• 1:34:26Sean Fennessey?

  Bernie Mac, the late, great Bernie Mac plays a, uh, a, a, a player of some renown who, uh, we learn due to a clerical error. And in fact, he did not get 3,000 hits in his career. He was three hits short of 3,000 hits. And so, at the age of 47, he goes back to the major leagues to try to get three more hits.

• 1:34:45Speaker 02

  Right. Do you think.

• 1:34:47Sean Fennessey?

  Not in a very good movie.

• 1:34:48Speaker 02

  The Fan is high concept.

• 1:34:50Speaker 03

  I thought that you might take The Fan as like a wild card.

• 1:34:53Sean Fennessey?

  I, I rewatched it for this.

• 1:34:54Speaker 03

  Drama.

• 1:34:55Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, just to check in to see if it was any better than I'd realized or if I could reclaim it.

• 1:34:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:00Sean Fennessey?

  And it wasn't as good as I had hoped. I don't know if it's high concept.

• 1:35:03Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:35:04Sean Fennessey?

  It's basically just the king of comedy, but for baseball.

• 1:35:07Speaker 02

  What about The Scout?

• 1:35:10Sean Fennessey?

  That is a comedy. I'm not sure if it's high concept. I kind of like The Scout. Steve Nebraska, played by Brendan Fraser, plays a rising.

• 1:35:18Speaker 02

  Psychiatric issues.

• 1:35:19Sean Fennessey?

  Baseball star with some problems.

• 1:35:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:35:22Sean Fennessey?

  And Albert Brooks is the scout who holds his hand through the process, leading him to Yankee Stadium.

• 1:35:27Speaker 02

  Leading him to a therapist played by Diane Weest.

• 1:35:29Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 1:35:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, yeah.

• 1:35:31Speaker 03

  I thought Dobbins might take trouble with the curve.

• 1:35:34Speaker 02

  The Clint Eastwood movie?

• 1:35:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 1:35:36Speaker 02

  It's kind of the anti-moneyball.

• 1:35:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I do think I saw that, but I don't have any memory of it.

• 1:35:41Speaker 03

  Very focused on the scout experience.

• 1:35:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly, yeah.

• 1:35:43Sean Fennessey?

  Um.

• 1:35:44Speaker 02

  Twilight has baseball.

• 1:35:45Speaker 03

  Sure does.

• 1:35:46Speaker 02

  Boyhood has baseball.

• 1:35:47Sean Fennessey?

  Which one?

• 1:35:47Speaker 02

  Boyhood.

• 1:35:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:35:49Sean Fennessey?

  Boyhood, yeah.

• 1:35:49Amanda Dobbins?

  My Best Friend's Wedding has a pivotal baseball scene.

• 1:35:52Sean Fennessey?

  At Wrigley, right?

• 1:35:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Showdown, no, it's, it's White Sox.

• 1:35:55Sean Fennessey?

  Comiskey?

• 1:35:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:55Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:35:57Speaker 03

  Were you hoping more documentaries would be taken? No, No, a documentary, Facing Nolan.

• 1:36:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:03Speaker 03

  Life and Times of Hank Greenberg, The League, Up for Grabs.

• 1:36:07Sean Fennessey?

  Batter Bastards of Baseball. Yeah, there's a lot. I think they're all good and not great.

• 1:36:12Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:36:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:36:14Sean Fennessey?

  Um, Chris, you didn't take Cobb.

• 1:36:17Speaker 02

  I didn't. It was between that and Million Dollar Arm.

• 1:36:20Sean Fennessey?

  Can you tell Amanda a bit about Ty Cobb?

• 1:36:23Speaker 02

  Well, he was racist.

• 1:36:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:24Speaker 02

  I think he was from Georgia.

• 1:36:25Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:36:26Amanda Dobbins?

  As many racists are.

• 1:36:28Sean Fennessey?

  I believe, was it the Georgia Peach his nickname?

• 1:36:30Speaker 02

  And he was a diehard competitor.

• 1:36:32Sean Fennessey?

  What was Ty Cobb's nickname?

• 1:36:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:36:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. Detroit Tigers for the entirety of his career, I believe.

• 1:36:37Sean Fennessey?

  He was the Georgia Peach. Yeah, yeah. He was a virulent racist. He played 24 seasons. He had a career batting average of 366.

• 1:36:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36:44Speaker 02

  Yep. He was portrayed by Tommy Lee Jones in Ron Shelton's less beloved follow-up to Bull Durham in terms of a baseball movie.

• 1:36:52Sean Fennessey?

  Huge, huge movie for Robert Wool baseball fans.

• 1:36:54Speaker 03

  Just making sure that Cobb County is not actually named after Ty Cobb.

• 1:36:58Amanda Dobbins?

  And it's not, but.

• 1:36:59Sean Fennessey?

  North of 10 twice.

• 1:37:00Speaker 03

  War North, War North of 10 twice and North of 9, four times.

• 1:37:04Sean Fennessey?

  He was an absolute demon at baseball.

• 1:37:05Speaker 02

  Who?

• 1:37:06Sean Fennessey?

  Ty Cobb.

• 1:37:06Speaker 03

  His career war is 149.8.

• 1:37:09Sean Fennessey?

  He was significantly better than everybody except for Babe Ruth, Roger Swanson.

• 1:37:15Speaker 02

  You guys like studied Ty Cobb's stats, huh?

• 1:37:16Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, I was so into baseball.

• 1:37:17Speaker 03

  Well, again, I mean, if you're a Ken Burns baseball fan.

• 1:37:19Sean Fennessey?

  I was so into baseball stats as a kid. Um, what else is on the board? Any other long list stuff?

• 1:37:26Speaker 03

  What did you get picked? Let's see.

• 1:37:27Sean Fennessey?

  Anybody ever seen Game Six?

• 1:37:29Speaker 02

  The Don DeLillo script, right?

• 1:37:31Sean Fennessey?

  Michael Keaton.

• 1:37:32Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 1:37:33Sean Fennessey?

  Which all takes place effectively through a, a guy who has tickets to Game Six of the 1986 World Series, but doesn't go.

• 1:37:39Speaker 02

  That's like a crazy lost Downey performance, right?

• 1:37:41Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 1:37:42Speaker 02

  Isn't he the, the theater critic in that?

• 1:37:44Sean Fennessey?

  He isn't that.

• 1:37:45Speaker 03

  Have we talked about Pride of the Yankees already?

• 1:37:47Sean Fennessey?

  You know a movie I really, we didn't, we didn't really talk, I'll pair it with another movie that I'll recommend for people if they haven't seen it, which may not have aged super well in terms of its relationship to psychiatric health, but, um, in 1957, there's a great movie called Fear Strikes Out.

• 1:37:58Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:37:58Sean Fennessey?

  About Jimmy Pierceall, based on a real player who played for the Red Sox.

• 1:38:00Speaker 03

  I had that on my list, too. That's great.

• 1:38:02Sean Fennessey?

  That I saw as a kid. Anthony Perkins plays him. And I think it's like right before he, it's right before Psycho.

• 1:38:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:07Sean Fennessey?

  And he's amazing as a, an outfielder who gets the yips. Not unlike, we were just discussing Drake May's got the yips right now. And a guy who can't hack it in the field or at the plate because he's having some mental struggles. And it's like a, I thought a pretty sensitive movie, given the timeframe. It's Carl Malden, his father in the movie? And it's like really hard on him. Um, what else? Any, any other movies?

• 1:38:28Speaker 02

  Is The Slugger's Wife as bad as everybody says it is?

• 1:38:31Sean Fennessey?

  I've never seen it.

• 1:38:31Speaker 03

  Haven't seen it.

• 1:38:32Speaker 02

  It's got like a 2%.

• 1:38:33Sean Fennessey?

  It's Hal, it's like Hal Ashby's last movie.

• 1:38:35Speaker 03

  2%.

• 1:38:36Speaker 02

  And Neil Simon wrote it.

• 1:38:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I will say that The Catcher Was a Spy was as bad as it was.

• 1:38:44Sean Fennessey?

  Even twice the speed.

• 1:38:45Speaker 03

  I have to compare to Ed.

• 1:38:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:47Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, one last question for you guys. Basketball?

• 1:38:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, I have it on my list.

• 1:38:52Sean Fennessey?

  Is that a baseball movie?

• 1:38:53Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 1:38:53Sean Fennessey?

  I think it is, right?

• 1:38:54Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 1:38:54Speaker 02

  Specifically not, because it's base-skip ball.

• 1:38:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean.

• 1:38:57Sean Fennessey?

  There's, is baseball in it?

• 1:38:58Speaker 03

  Baseball has to, yeah. Be a core concept that they build off of.

• 1:39:02Sean Fennessey?

  We allowed that. We didn't allow, what did you, Gone with the Wind, what'd you go for?

• 1:39:08Speaker 03

  That was Ty Cobb.

• 1:39:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh.

• 1:39:11Sean Fennessey?

  Ty Cobb's favorite movie.

• 1:39:12Speaker 02

  I see one movie.

• 1:39:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I think A Few Good Men and The Town.

• 1:39:18Sean Fennessey?

  Uh-huh.

• 1:39:19Amanda Dobbins?

  And The Catcher Was a Spy, which is quite bad.

• 1:39:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Dazed and Confused.

• 1:39:23Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm, yeah.

• 1:39:23Amanda Dobbins?

  All great films that in one way or another.

• 1:39:27Sean Fennessey?

  They all would have been great wild card picks.

• 1:39:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Include The Sport of Baseball.

• 1:39:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. There's probably baseball in other movies. What am I not thinking of?

• 1:39:34Speaker 02

  War of the Worlds, when he has a catch of his son.

• 1:39:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's important.

• 1:39:38Speaker 02

  And they're, they're like working out the Red Sox Yankees rivalry.

• 1:39:41Sean Fennessey?

  That's right, that's right. Cruz, speaking of, our next episode is about Tom Cruise and Digger.

• 1:39:47Speaker 03

  Exciting.

• 1:39:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:48Sean Fennessey?

  Would you say you're excited about it?

• 1:39:50Speaker 03

  Sure, I'm looking forward to it, yeah. I'm interested.

• 1:39:52Amanda Dobbins?

  But you don't have tickets.

• 1:39:53Speaker 03

  Hmm, no, not yet, but I tend to.

• 1:39:56Speaker 02

  Doesn't seem like she needs them.

• 1:39:57Speaker 03

  I tend to say this, you know, let me look this morning. Is something available mid-morning? That's kind of my approach, unless it's like, I know this is gonna sell out.

• 1:40:04Amanda Dobbins?

  That's a good way to live life.

• 1:40:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:07Sean Fennessey?

  You will see it opening weekend?

• 1:40:09Speaker 02

  It's this coming weekend, right? Well, Saturday, I'm going to see The Director's Code of Miami Vice.

• 1:40:13Speaker 03

  Sick.

• 1:40:14Speaker 02

  Michael Mann will be presenting it.

• 1:40:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:40:16Speaker 02

  I will be present.

• 1:40:17Sean Fennessey?

  Just you and him together?

• 1:40:18Speaker 03

  You're levitating right now.

• 1:40:20Speaker 02

  It's like a bathtub.

• 1:40:24Sean Fennessey?

  He's holding up an iPad for you.

• 1:40:29Speaker 02

  But I will, I will, I will go see Big D this weekend. Yeah.

• 1:40:33Sean Fennessey?

  Big D. Uh, should we recap our draft picks?

• 1:40:35Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:40:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:40:37Sean Fennessey?

  All right, Mallory, since you went first, you can go first.

• 1:40:39Speaker 03

  Okay. In order, round one through round six.

• 1:40:42Amanda Dobbins?

  You're the only person who keeps track.

• 1:40:44Speaker 03

  Okay, go ahead. I took Bull Durham as my comedy in round one. In round two, I took The Natural as my high concept and Bad News Bears is my kids movie. In round four, I took 61 as based on a true story and Damn Yankees is my wild card. And then I took 42 as my drama in round six. Dobbins.

• 1:41:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm just reading them as they are in the spreadsheet. In comedy, I took Ephes. In drama, Moneyball. In high concept, the acclaimed film, Ed. Based on a true story, The Rookie. In kids movie, The Sandlot. And in wild card, Good Will Hunting.

• 1:41:24Speaker 02

  I love it when you do the Scarlett Johansson, her voice to do these like lists. Cause when you're talking about baseball. The catcher was a spy.

• 1:41:36Sean Fennessey?

  In comedy, I took Everybody Wants Some. In drama, I took Sugar. In high concept, I took Rookie of the Year. In based on a true story, I took A League of Their Own. In kids movie, I took The Bad News Bears and Breaking Training. And in wild card, I took Ken Burns's baseball.

• 1:41:49Speaker 02

  That is a wild card. In comedy, I took Major League. In drama, I took Field of Dreams. In high concept, I took Peter Masterson's Night Game.

• 1:42:02Speaker 02

  And based on a true story, I took Eight Men Out. In kids movie, I took Summer Catch, PG 13. In wild card, I took Christopher Nolan's Interstellar.

• 1:42:11Speaker 03

  Incredible closing. Stretch of picks for you.

• 1:42:15Speaker 02

  At Night Game, this happens so many drafts where I'm playing so within the lines for the first three picks. And then I have a massive brain hemorrhage and start.

• 1:42:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Is that what happens?

• 1:42:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, all the time. It's always like, I'm gonna win. I'm fucking dominating.

• 1:42:32Speaker 03

  Isn't it at the like 42 minute mark? You're like, now I'm out.

• 1:42:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, like my three picks were unbelievable.

• 1:42:38Speaker 02

  It's not even focus, it's just that like.

• 1:42:40Amanda Dobbins?

  That's your, that's your turn of luck.

• 1:42:41Speaker 02

  I start to just overthink it and like, oh, what would be cool here is if I did something for laughs. And then I'm like, oh no.

• 1:42:49Sean Fennessey?

  Oh no. You should, at the next live show, you should bring like Samurai energy. She'd be like, I'm not, I'm not gonna do bits. I'm here to win. Cause you know, she's won like the last nine consecutive live shows.

• 1:43:02Speaker 03

  Wild and a Rockford Peaches.

• 1:43:05Sean Fennessey?

  I gotta, we gotta figure that out.

• 1:43:07Speaker 02

  I just have a Hanzo sword as I stand at a Rockford Peach.

• 1:43:10Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe you should be, uh, Beatrix Kiddo from Kill Bill.

• 1:43:13Speaker 02

  I think I could pull it off.

• 1:43:14Sean Fennessey?

  AKA Bruce Lee.

• 1:43:17Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not gonna be a Rockford Peach, but I'm gonna be something.

• 1:43:19Speaker 02

  Are you gonna wear a costume?

• 1:43:21Sean Fennessey?

  Of course I will.

• 1:43:22Speaker 02

  Don't wear a mask.

• 1:43:23Amanda Dobbins?

  This has not been discussed before.

• 1:43:25Sean Fennessey?

  It's a great idea though. You nailed it.

• 1:43:26Speaker 02

  So are you, it's only Rockford Peach. You won't do any other costumes.

• 1:43:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I just thought it would be a nice group. I never got to do that.

• 1:43:33Speaker 02

  You know what she should do?

• 1:43:35Sean Fennessey?

  You never asked.

• 1:43:36Speaker 02

  We should make her do, be the girl from The Ring, the hair down.

• 1:43:40Sean Fennessey?

  She's kinda already got that going, right? Call that Tuesday.

• 1:43:45Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Uh, hey, Mal, thank you very much.

• 1:43:47Speaker 03

  Guys, thanks for having me. What a treat. Love baseball, love you guys, love Kevin Costner. Just to recap some of the things that I already said.

• 1:43:54Sean Fennessey?

  Good job by you.

• 1:43:55Speaker 02

  It's a shame you don't have like a legendary baseball player as your guest to throw to right now.

• 1:44:00Sean Fennessey?

  A legendary baseball player?

• 1:44:01Speaker 02

  Kent Herbeck, you know, thrown, thrown into my lung.

• 1:44:03Sean Fennessey?

  Is he a legendary baseball player?

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  He's a me.

• 1:44:07Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know who would be my ideal, I'm, I'm in Carson Beck bench mode right now. Carson Benj is my guy. Uh, Mike Piazza, complicated. He was a great legend to me once upon a time. Now I believe he's fully behind Donald Trump. So.

• 1:44:20Speaker 02

  And he was mean to Shia LaBeouf.

• 1:44:22Sean Fennessey?

  Is that a fact?

• 1:44:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:23Sean Fennessey?

  What did he say? Did he not deserve it?

• 1:44:28Sean Fennessey?

  When did, when did Mike Piazza and Shia LaBeouf interact?

• 1:44:30Speaker 02

  He talked about it on his Channel 5 interview.

• 1:44:34Speaker 02

  Shia LaBeouf did. And he said that Mike Piazza treated him like shit when he was trying to get his autograph when he was a kid.

• 1:44:39Sean Fennessey?

  No kidding?

• 1:44:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:40Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:44:40Sean Fennessey?

  Wow. Gosh, that's a whole other episode.

• 1:44:44Amanda Dobbins?

  That's, that's a, that's a rich tax.

• 1:44:46Sean Fennessey?

  Let's table that. Uh, thanks to Jack Sanders, our producer, for his work on this episode. Thanks to Lucas Cavanagh.

• 1:44:51Speaker 03

  Thanks to Ed.

• 1:44:52Speaker 02

  Amanda.

• 1:44:53Sean Fennessey?

  Amanda, thank you, Amanda, for all your great works here. Uh, Amanda and I shall return imminently.

• 1:44:59Speaker 03

  Maybe.

• 1:45:00Sean Fennessey?

  To discuss, if it's just me on Digger.

• 1:45:02Speaker 03

  If the apology is written down.

• 1:45:04Sean Fennessey?

  Me solo on Digger.

• 1:45:05Speaker 03

  And read aloud to that prompter.

• 1:45:08Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I'll see you guys very soon to talk about Digger. Bye.