Pod Insights The Big Picture The 2026 Academy Awards: ‘One Battle After Another’ Earns More Than a Few Small Oscars About this episode Sean and Amanda instantly react to the 98th Academy Awards and share their main takeaways from Hollywood’s biggest night. They make the case for why these Oscars and the Best Picture win for ‘One Battle After Another’ were for “the movie nerds,” break down Michael B. Jordan’s incredible speech for his Best Actor win, and talk through their mixed feelings about the telecast itself.
Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins
Producers: Jack Sanders, Chris Wohlers, and Kevin Cureghian
Production Support: Lucas Cavanagh
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1:46 Sean Fennessey? I'm Sean Fennessey.
1:47 Amanda Dobbins? I'm Amanda Dobbins.
1:47 Sean Fennessey? And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about the 98th Academy Awards. We are dressed up and almost ready to break down. Amanda, how are you feeling?
1:57 Amanda Dobbins? I feel great. I'm pumped.
1:58 Sean Fennessey? I'm pumped too, and I'm reckoning with my generational trauma. We have just witnessed one battle after another secure best picture and conclude one of the most dominant award season stretches in some time. We also saw huge wins for Sinners, Sentimental Value, K-Pop, Demon Hunters, and more. Amanda and I will break down the telecast, the winners, the speeches, the bits, the vibes, and so much more, right after this.
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3:16 Sean Fennessey? Okay, Amanda, here we are. We've just finished watching the Academy Awards here at our office. I'm wearing a bow tie that I tied myself. I'm feeling very proud of myself.
3:25 Amanda Dobbins? We'll wait till hour two of this podcast to share how long it took you. But this was also about hour two.
3:30 Sean Fennessey? It was not, not less than an hour, that's for sure. Okay, the Academy Awards just happened. You said you're feeling excited. You were feeling moved.
3:38 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
3:39 Sean Fennessey? Break it down.
3:40 Amanda Dobbins? Over/under for you on how many times I cried during this show?
3:44 Sean Fennessey? I'll say, I'll try to match you with me, and I'll say three.
3:48 Amanda Dobbins? I might have cried, it might have been more than three. Because certainly both original screenplay, Paul Thomas Anderson, no, I'm sorry, original screenplay, Ryan Coogler, adapted screenplay, Paul Thomas Anderson, and Michael B. Jordan, winning Best Actor. I was overcome. I think Best Director, and then the surprise cinematography win for Autumn Dardarapa was also very moving. So that's at five.
4:14 Sean Fennessey? This doesn't always happen at the Oscars. It's not always, I'm kind of reckoning with myself right now because I had a wonderful time watching the show. I think it was a largely predictable show, based on how we followed the season over the years, but not in a bad way. The surprises, I thought, were very good surprises. And a couple of wins that even if we were expecting them, felt great in the moment. Um, okay, telecast, not the greatest telecast in Oscar's history.
4:39 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
4:39 Sean Fennessey? I would say less memorable for Conan than the first year. Some bits worked, some didn't work so well.
4:45 Amanda Dobbins? I would say the actual, uh, production in terms of who was allowed to speak and for how long and did everyone know they were live or not live?
4:54 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
4:54 Amanda Dobbins? Was a bit shaggy at times.
4:55 Sean Fennessey? Not everyone who won was there.
4:57 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
4:57 Sean Fennessey? You don't see that very often at the Academy Awards. Um, you know, the story, of course, of the show is going to be one battle after another. Ultimately, winning five awards last night and or tonight, I should say, it feels like last night already.
5:11 Amanda Dobbins? Six.
5:11 Sean Fennessey? Six awards?
5:12 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
5:12 Sean Fennessey? Six awards.
5:13 Amanda Dobbins? We, we counted again, right? Best Picture, Best Director, Sean Penn, Adapted Screenplay, um, Editing and...
5:20 Sean Fennessey? Casting.
5:21 Amanda Dobbins? Casting.
5:21 Sean Fennessey? Which was the surprise. So One Battle wins six, Sinners wins four Academy Awards and they had been the Alpha and the Omega of this race, especially in the final two months. Most people assumed that One Battle was going to win. We got a, I think, a pretty strong preview and surprisingly Casting went to Cassandra Kulakundis for her work on the film and not Francine Maisler, who was heavily favored for Sinners, but this was the first year of the Casting Award. And my first thought when Cassandra won that award, which is extremely deserved and I think is a wonderful win and was one of the very few moments when I popped out of my seat during the telecast tonight because it just felt like something that wasn't going to
6:00 Sean Fennessey? happen was, okay, so is this award maybe even more so than Editing going to be closely associated with a Best Picture win? I'm already getting ahead of myself, but that's where my mind went right away.
6:14 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I, I see what you mean. It does seem that it, that was the tell this year and, and we have traditionally said that Editing is, you know, where Editing goes, so Best Picture goes. And, and that was also the case this year.
6:28 Sean Fennessey? It was.
6:29 Amanda Dobbins? But because Casting came first and because there was a little more intrigue and because we did also think that that was one that Sinners had in its, you know, in its bank of, of who will win, where, how will this shake out? Uh, it, it seemed like the twist. It may be that the next few years, things get a little wonky or a little strange. You, you noted that this is the first year of that category, um, and that there, so there are many venerated casting directors. Who were nominated tonight, who did not win, and who presumably will want another shot at the award. So how will they go about that? How will the guild that vote nominates goes about it? I think it's a little too early to guess for the award down the road.
7:14 Amanda Dobbins? But tonight, I walked out, I, you know, took a bathroom break and I was like, okay, so casting is when we knew. And then there were moments when we weren't sure. And even before Best Picture was announced, you turned to me and you were like, sinners?
7:26 Sean Fennessey? I wasn't totally sure.
7:27 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, we were not totally sure, which, you know, I quibble with your, your argument that there weren't a lot of surprises or because our predictions were mostly right, but we didn't know what was going to happen.
7:38 Sean Fennessey? It's true. It's a great feeling.
7:39 Amanda Dobbins? We really, really didn't. And so I thought, I was thinking a bit about how this was maybe an ideal awards show for us and hopefully for listeners and watchers of this show as well, people who are invested in these movies and who love these movies and love the Oscars and really wanted to know who, who won. I don't know if this show was the best show, if you're just kind of like stopping by for some razzle-dazz. It had some nice moments. I really, really laughed throughout The Bridesmaids reunion. Very, very funny stuff.
8:07 Sean Fennessey? A highlight for me, too.
8:08 Amanda Dobbins? But this was, this was for the movie nerds in a great way.
8:12 Sean Fennessey? It was, it was. And I'd like to talk about one battle now.
8:18 Sean Fennessey? I say this sincerely.
8:21 Sean Fennessey? Since I was 15 years old, Paul Thomas Anderson is my favorite director. He is my favorite filmmaker of my life. He is probably a pretty big reason why I'm sitting here today, which sounds like a stupid thing to say, but he and a handful of other filmmakers just activated my imagination. And as you have said many times over the last five or six years doing the show, those people very rarely get to the place that Paul Thomas Anderson got to tonight, which is he now has a Best Picture Oscar, a Best Director Oscar, and a Best Screenplay Oscar. He won them all on the same night.
8:56 Sean Fennessey? Sean Baker did that last year. You know, that's, that was unusual when he did it, when he won four last year. But for the most part, that's very rarefied air and it's not typically our guys, so to speak, who are sent to those spaces.
9:08 Amanda Dobbins? Has not been until now.
9:10 Sean Fennessey? Until now. And so I find this to be a fascinating win. I find it to be the fact that it is a movie. As, as PTA said when he accepted his screenplay Oscar, that is very much about kind of exiting your youth, exiting that period of hope and expectation and handing it off to the people behind you. But that is the time when he is recognized while in the same category as a Ryan Coogler or a Josh Safdie in director is fascinating because that is usually what the Oscars makes you do. They say, wait until you're 55 and you've spent the last 20, 30 years of your life making super cool movies. And then when you get a little older, we'll say it's okay for you to join the club. And that did happen for Paul Thomas Anderson tonight. I'm kind
9:54 Sean Fennessey? of sorting through what it means for me as a movie fan. Um, because I don't know that I ever expected it when I was watching the master and I was like, this guy is a fucking freak and I love it. You know, I love how weird all of his movies are despite them coming from huge studios and having huge movie stars. He has a really oddball sensibility and an oddball sense of humor. And he somehow with this movie managed to not reject any of his principles or creative interests. It's all still there in the movie, but make something, I think with a few key decisions that felt like it met the moment. And I moved by it. I'm very happy about it.
10:30 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
10:30 Sean Fennessey? It's a bit unusual and interesting that it comes in the sinner's ear and we will definitely spend some time talking about sinners and it may be its legacy versus this movie's legacy over time. But for right now, this is a massive triumph for one of the signature Gen X filmmakers.
10:46 Amanda Dobbins? Yes. And it doesn't feel the way some great best director and even great best picture wins for maybe not our generation's heroes, but cinema's heroes often come later in their career and they have to wait till 55 or 60 or 65 or 70. And it's for a good film. It's like, you know, a film with craft, a film that only this, this person could make, but it's not the peak of their powers. And I, you're right that One Battle is about a later stage of life. It's about being washed up in his adapted screenplay acceptance speech. He Dedicated the, the award to his children and he said, this is, you know, kind of an apology for this world that we've left you.
11:28 Sean Fennessey? The mess.
11:29 Amanda Dobbins? Um, which, you know, is something I think we both felt very deeply, you know, upon seeing the movie, but so, so it is a later in life film, but it's not an end of life film by any means. And I also just don't think it's subpart work. I still think that it part of it's, it is, um, doing what Paul Thomas Anderson does best. And the openings or the decisions that you're referencing that make it maybe slightly more palatable as a best picture winner than say the master might have been. I, to me, they just opened the film and they enrich it and they are, I mean, I still really ride for the master, but I thought that they were, Paul Thomas Anderson, kind of widening the lens and, um, and widening what he can do.
12:12 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Widening the tent for who can come in and hit one of his movies.
12:14 Amanda Dobbins? Exactly. And so, and I really responded to that. I'm, I'm with you in that I don't know what to do with an Oscars that, uh, rewards my tastes. And this was our favorite film of the year, both of us.
12:26 Sean Fennessey? Pretty, pretty far down the line too. I mean, that's the other thing is there's not a lot of what I would, you and I are pretty unafraid to be like, this is a bad winner.
12:31 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
12:31 Sean Fennessey? When something like that happens. It's nothing against the person. Not a lot of bad winners this year.
12:35 Amanda Dobbins? No.
12:36 Sean Fennessey? Some of them might've been predictable.
12:37 Amanda Dobbins? No, one or two still.
12:39 Sean Fennessey? We can talk about those as we get there. We're going to stay positive for the top of this.
12:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, but, but we have, and, and I think an entire generation, we grew up watching the Oscars and from about what 99, 98, 99 on, 99 is, um, American beauty, right?
12:57 Sean Fennessey? Mm-hmm.
12:58 Amanda Dobbins? And, and we all know the amazing year in film that, uh, 99 was. So that's when they started turning and we became.
13:05 Sean Fennessey? Well, I mean, it might've been when Saving Private Ryan lost to Shakespeare.
13:09 Amanda Dobbins? Listen.
13:10 Sean Fennessey? One year prior.
13:11 Amanda Dobbins? Sure. Okay.
13:11 Sean Fennessey? Just for the record, that was a bit of an awakening for me. I was like, what the fuck? Actually even more so was Pulp Fiction losing to Forrest Gump, you know?
13:18 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, sure. Yeah.
13:20 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
13:20 Amanda Dobbins? But, but, but our taste, but our taste was developing along with that.
13:24 Sean Fennessey? But that's important to this conversation, which you and I are not qualified to confirm, deny, even fully understand at this exact moment. But do you think that younger generations will look back at this Oscars and say, maybe not that this is an American beauty kind of win, but that. If Sinners is the more remembered film, the more iconic film, does that, does this then have the chance to be one of those like Grandma and Grandpa didn't get it, they don't know my cinema taste, I grew up on the movies of Ryan Coogler, and Ryan Coogler was overlooked? That's kind of the fast, that's kind of the amazing thing about the Academy Awards is they only exist in their time, and we remember them forever and talk about them forever, but they can only be understood that night. That's the only time.
14:07 Amanda Dobbins? Well, I thought that PTA had a pretty good rejoinder to what the point that you're making and, you know, the words that you're putting into the mouths of the babes in the booth and on Netflix and all around us.
14:18 Sean Fennessey? I didn't say that, no, you guys are great, keep fighting, you know?
14:21 Amanda Dobbins? In his Best Picture speech, he mentioned the year 1975 and the films that were nominated for that year, the Oscars of which were held in 1976, we gotta, we gotta work on this nomenclature long term. Anyway, One Floor Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Barry Lyndon, Dog Day Afternoon, Jaws, and Nashville. And he said, there is no best among those, it's just what people were feeling that day. And when you have 10 nominees, there are some betters than not as good, but maybe it can be a year where there's not a best, or at least it was, it was a special year in movies. And that vibe, we got closer to that feeling throughout the ceremony, even throughout the winners list, than, than I thought maybe we could have, even when we were doing our
15:06 Amanda Dobbins? predictions. It was-
15:08 Sean Fennessey? Of like a sense of-
15:10 Amanda Dobbins? Of now it's a time to, for one battle after another, and now here's a great Sinners moment, and now, and they were paced, they were going back and forth. And sometimes when that happens and we're watching the Oscars, it's real, okay, so now it's one battle, now momentum is for Sinners, you're, you're watching it like a ping pong match. But I really experienced it more as people were really excited about this film, and then people were really excited about this film, and this, you know, we got to honor this part of this film and this part of this moment. So I thought that the winners and the speeches, that part of the ceremony at least, did a good job of honoring that idea of these were two great, great films.
15:49 Sean Fennessey? If it was 1975 and we were doing this show, would you hire a bot army to stand for Nashville? Which film would you choose?
15:58 Sean Fennessey? The, there was really-
15:59 Amanda Dobbins? Like Justice for Barry Lyndon, come on.
16:01 Sean Fennessey? About that, I agree.
16:05 Sean Fennessey? There wasn't really intense fandom around both of these movies. And so I think it felt like a very noisy and at times intense race. But it was also, you know, filmmakers who are friends, a lot of actors who are friends. You could see the excitement from, say, the one battle cast when Michael B. Jordan won Best Actor. That was, again, just like at the actor awards, one of the great moments of the night.
16:24 Amanda Dobbins? What a moment, you know? And that, again, like, Sinner's did not win Best Director or Best Picture, but that was the climactic Sinner's moment. And the room, you know, lit up. And reports from inside the room were that it was like it was almost shaking, but you could feel it like at home.
16:41 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
16:41 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, just the Michael B. reaction shot of him, just, you know, he's a star. He is amazing. And that sense, as soon as he got up on stage at the SAG Awards and it clicked and we all realized, yeah, no, no, no, this is our next Best Actor winner. But it was fully realized. It was amazing and it was great.
16:58 Sean Fennessey? I was really, I really loved it. I was moved. I was choked up watching him talk. And I think it was, I think one of the reasons why he won, in addition to being an exceptional actor and giving a really good performance in that film, is he's very easy to root for. And in his speech, it's just very easy to feel like he's a real, normal person. Who is just like, thanks so much for believing in me and following me for 25 years, which is what we've been doing. As fans of movies and TV, I mean, that is Wallace on the Wire. You know, that's the QB from Dylan. That's like, that's a kid that we've seen for a long time grow up into being one of these generational stars. And obviously, the partnership that he and Kugler have is very special. I liked seeing them embrace when, when MBJ won. And Best Actor's been a weird race.
17:43 Sean Fennessey? And I think it's been, it's been a very good race because those five nominees are really, really strong. It's one of the best, I've been saying it for months. It's one of the best categories we've had on, in the Oscars in like 15 years. But, you know, the Chalamet thing was so noisy for so long.
17:59 Amanda Dobbins? Mm-hmm.
18:00 Sean Fennessey? And it makes a lot of sense in the arc of history that this didn't work out for him. I'm not saying it's just or whatever. It's not for me to say.
18:08 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
18:08 Sean Fennessey? But that, this is just not usually how it goes. And how it usually goes is for someone like Michael B. Jordan, who's a part of a big movie that people love, who's been in our lives for a long period of time, not a shorter period of time, like Timothy Chalamet, and who represents something, I think, honestly?
18:24 Sean Fennessey? About what is good about Hollywood? And that's what the Oscars is too. I mean, it's a big billboard for movie making. And Michael B. Jordan, much like Timothy Chalamet, much like Leonardo DiCaprio, even like Wagner Mora, he can get your movie made. And he's someone that you can comfortably say like, now it says Academy Award winner, Michael B. Jordan, over every poster that he's on for the rest of his career. You know, not to overthink it, but that's like a good thing for the industry. And I think everybody can just kind of feel excited about something like that happening. I thought his speech was just really great. And I think him circling back to his mom, big night for moms as always. Jessie Buckley also spent some time speaking about moms with her win. We'll get to her momentarily. But I liked her sitting there and being there. He said his dad flew in from Ghana to be there, which was incredible.
19:09 Sean Fennessey? And he just seemed authentically moved, not fake moved.
19:14 Amanda Dobbins? No, and, and both prepared, but also surprised. And if it was rehearsed, if it was prepared in his head, then it felt, in the moment, felt and off the cuff and responsive. I mean, you know, part of it is he just got up there and the first thing he said was, what's up, mama? Really, really good. But did you happen to catch the, there was an angle capturing all the winners as they came offstage? And he was motioning to all of the people, all of his nominees in the audience. But they had Ethan Hawke also in the angle. And so he and Ethan Hawke were gesturing to each other. And Ethan Hawke, I mean, Ryan Coogler is our Meryl Streep number one reaction shot guy of the night.
19:57 Amanda Dobbins? And maybe just like the new, maybe the award is now the Ryan Coogler award.
20:01 Sean Fennessey? I don't know if he's going to show up at a lot of Oscars. He's not competing at though. He's not even in the Academy.
20:05 Amanda Dobbins? I would say that the work that he did tonight was really very special. But Ethan Hawke has also, you know, been on that leaderboard. He has been doing the work. I mean, it was lovely.
20:14 Sean Fennessey? They're obviously tight. He raced up when he won the actor award as well a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, I mean, that was a great category. That was a great win. It wasn't surprising because of the actor awards, we both predicted it. And yet it did have that thing you were describing where it was just like, oh my God, like, we were kind of, we were kind of surprised.
20:30 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, because we all predicted it and then the internet spent a lot of time, there's just, there is too much time between when voting closes and when the Oscars are broadcast.
20:40 Sean Fennessey? By design.
20:41 Amanda Dobbins? There's too much time in the season. People were getting up to shenanigans.
20:45 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
20:45 Amanda Dobbins? On the internet. They were making their hats of tinfoil and then claiming to know the vote tallies for Best Actor at the Baftas. Where are all my Leo number two guys now? Show yourselves. But there was, there's always room for self doubt. And we always do this, right? I feel like I get a text from one of our Oscar nerd friends on like the Saturday before Oscars every year being like, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's, you know, number five on the list. Trust me. Not to say that Leo would have been fun too. And you turned to me at one moment and you were like, well, I think it was after casting. And you're like, how about Leo now?
21:22 Sean Fennessey? I felt that way all the way up until cinematography went to Autumn D'Arlo Dark Upon. I was like, no, actually, okay. Everything is gonna be as, as is expected. Yeah. I mean, those, those to me felt like the, the biggest and the noisiest awards. And they've been the biggest and the noisiest awards all the way through this season. Our predictions, you know, we, we were very close again.
21:43 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
21:44 Sean Fennessey? Always very close.
21:44 Amanda Dobbins? I took a flyer. It didn't work out.
21:45 Sean Fennessey? You took one, one risk and it was the wrong risk in a year of a lot of chalk. You went 18 for 24 in your pick. 18 or 19? 19 for 24?
21:54 Amanda Dobbins? No, I was 18 and you were 19.
21:56 Sean Fennessey? I think we have, I think we have more. I think we only had four wrong and five wrong because we have 24 awards now because of casting.
22:02 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
22:03 Sean Fennessey? So.
22:03 Amanda Dobbins? I'm just reading what you wrote in the spreadsheet.
22:05 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I wrote something down.
22:07 Amanda Dobbins? You have eight, nine.
22:07 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, okay. So I have 19 and you have? 20, I think.
22:12 Amanda Dobbins? 20?
22:12 Sean Fennessey? And.
22:13 Amanda Dobbins? If anyone in the booth wants to flash things up.
22:15 Sean Fennessey? Let's do some producing out there.
22:17 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, you want to do some like Morse code? I'm on it right now. I'm looking. Okay, thank you.
22:21 Sean Fennessey? And so even though it felt very predictable all season, that ineffable feeling of anything could happen was exciting for a change. And I'll tell you one of the reasons why I think that was the case.
22:31 Amanda Dobbins? Mm-hmm.
22:32 Sean Fennessey? I like a lot of these movies and we like a lot of these movies. And so the absence of a real villain being in contention for a lot of the awards made this just feel like a different vibe. Now, I mean, there's people at home who are like, I, I hated One Battle or I hated Sinners and that's fine. But I think in general to the sort of like award system at large this year. A lot of enthusiasm for all these awards. You know, a lot of like Rose Byrne never really had a chance to win Best Actress, but there was a lot of enthusiasm for her and for her performance. And if I had legs, I'd kick you. Just it didn't. It felt different than in certain years past where maybe there was some campaign shenanigans with movies getting in or not getting in or not getting the prizes they should have. Or there were people who were just so obviously there because they were due as opposed to they had done great work. Just felt a little bit more balanced all the way around.
23:17 Sean Fennessey? Do you agree with that?
23:18 Amanda Dobbins? Absolutely. And that's why I was like, I think that this was really a show for us. And I don't just mean you and me, though I appreciate anyone who wants to program for me. But for people who are listening to this show, who are watching all of the movies, who are reading all the stuff, who are nerds, who are too much online talking about, you know, vote tallies. It, it did feel like the awards were sprinkled out enough that, and again, for films we mostly like. And even the, the films that didn't win any awards were nominated and represented that it was just fun. It, it kind of felt like a nice elementary school ceremony of being like, oh yeah, and so and so did great work and so and so.
24:03 Amanda Dobbins? And I don't mean that in a participation way, just in the sense of it was a successful year and that was represented on stage.
24:11 Sean Fennessey? Let me ask you about something else that you've been circling for the last few months. It did, the steamroller thing did turn out to be true. You know, the six months ago, we decided that One Battle will be coronated this year and we were not letting our foot off the gas until that happens. And that was the case for Nora. That was the case for Oppenheimer. That was the case for everything ever all at once. We're on a streak here.
24:31 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
24:32 Sean Fennessey? Of very dominant films that get multiple above and below the line nominations and wins and feel like they have a three month glide path into Best Picture. Now, you could say, oh, there was like a hot moment where The Brutalist seemed like it had a chance of the Nora, but not really. So this is four times in a row that that's happened.
24:48 Amanda Dobbins? Though a week ago, you were not saying this and men, and many people online were not saying this, that it was a real race. And so I do think that this, even if One Battle was anointed back, back when. It didn't feel like that in the same way.
25:06 Sean Fennessey? That, but that's the thing is, we're still talking about vibes and the vibe conversation is over. The wins happened, like, we got picture director screenplay and, and acting and, and editing and the first casting. Even though that one battle didn't hit that Gandhi quintet of awards, which is very, very rare. It kind of started a new trend by getting that casting Oscar. So now, when we talk about packages in Oscar's history, this is a very, very strong package. I mean, this is an incredibly elite historical package that this movie has. So now we'll look back on it as like a major triumph. It'll be one of the kind of big, full chested Oscar titans. Yeah. And that's kind of fascinating.
25:49 Sean Fennessey? It was fun for the show and for the race. Sinners, I think, I think this is, how to say this in a way that is understood. It's probably better for its legacy that it didn't win. It gets to be, because Coogler's gonna get his. He's gonna be 52 and it's gonna be annoying, but he's gonna get his.
26:08 Amanda Dobbins? Also, he did, he did win an Oscar tonight. And he, and again, and gave a beautiful speech. And that was, you know, I said to you, I think I was at 5:30 Pacific time. So about an hour and a half into the show and they grouped original screenplay and adapted screenplay. Adapted screenplay went first. And so you had this really nice balance moment where the thing that I think many people watching wanted to have happen in Best Picture actually did have happen in screenplays where PTA got an award, gave his, his first Oscar.
26:40 Sean Fennessey? His first Oscar.
26:41 Amanda Dobbins? Same as Ryan Coogler and like gave a really beautiful speech and dedicated it to his children. And, you know, the hope of a better world. And then Ryan Coogler won his first Oscar, like five minutes later. Also very moved, both men very nervous, by the way, which we have been watching them all season and they, they still had great presence. But at every other awards show, they've, you know, had a ready remark and they have been like wise and, you know, the, the leaders of cinema that we want them to be and seemingly like unbothered by all the eyes on them. And, and you could see that they were very nervous and Ryan Coogler was really so nervous
27:23 Amanda Dobbins? that he, he acknowledged as much and then just talked about how much he loved his kids. It was, it was wonderful.
27:30 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
27:30 Amanda Dobbins? But I said to him, I was like-
27:31 Sean Fennessey? Who can relate on a show where when we fought, we don't have anything to say, we fall back on talking about how much we love our kids?
27:36 Amanda Dobbins? But it was still really emotional. It was also both men getting their first Oscar within five minutes of each other. And I was kind of like, this is interesting that this is, we're an hour and a half in the show and we definitely have two more hours and a lot more awards to give. But that was, that was the heart of the, of the show.
27:52 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, which is so interesting because there was no doubt that that was going to happen in either category. It was, there was no confusion, but you're right. It did kind of feel like the emotional fulcrum of the evening. It was just like, okay, that has happened. These were the important things in a way. I would argue that best actor also, it just felt like there was a big emotional weight and burden on that award and it lived up to the moment in an interesting way. What was your favorite award that was not in that power trio that we're talking about here?
28:21 Amanda Dobbins? Of the, oh, of the great moments? I mean, Cassandra Cullacundus for one battle and for the first best casting was like exuberant because she was so genuinely psyched.
28:32 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
28:33 Amanda Dobbins? And they also, because it was the first time that best casting was given out, they had five actors, one from each of the nominated films come out. So you got Paul Meskell, you got my beloved Gwyneth Paltrow, Chase Infiniti, Wagner Mora, Delroy Lindo, like five awards show like beloveds.
28:49 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
28:49 Amanda Dobbins? All on stage.
28:50 Sean Fennessey? Very smart move by the Academy.
28:51 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. And, and they did the thing that they sometimes do during the acting categories, but they had each actor speak to their casting agent. So it was great. And then Cassandra Cullacundus was just, was hyped and you know, like was like whooping and then she-
29:07 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, she was like, Paul, 10 movies, like we've been doing this.
29:09 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. She was also like, I can't believe I have an Oscar before you because it was handed out, which was, which was funny and they were charming. So that not only because of its significance in the, you know, the Oscar count for the night, but just because that was a fun moment. What else? What am I forgetting?
29:25 Sean Fennessey? I mean, my-
29:26 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, Autumn.
29:26 Sean Fennessey? Autumn D'Arlo, probably my favorite win of the night, which is because I didn't think it was going to happen. I was fairly certain about it when we talked about it in our predictions and even after some of the precursor awards that happened, which had all been going to Michael Baumann for one battle after another. And I hope people saw my interview with her on this show. She's obviously, you know, an incredibly thoughtful artist. And this is a historic victory. A woman has never won in cinematography in the history of the Academy Awards. Ninety-eight years it took.
29:55 Amanda Dobbins? And everyone in the room knew that fact and stood up. Two amazing things happened. So we weren't, we weren't in the room. I was doing my makeup and watching in a different room. And so you didn't hear me yell like, hey. But I was just like screaming down the hall as soon as it happened. And then I went back to watch.
30:09 Sean Fennessey? Jack Lucas, now we're very excited.
30:11 Amanda Dobbins? Um, and two important things. Ryan Coogler ran back into the upper reaches of the Dolby Theater to find her son and bring him down to her seat so that she could see it, which is when Ryan Coogler cemented his like, his audience, you know, number one work. But just like amazing TV. And then she was like, you know, clearly moved, but also ready. And she knew the historical significance and knew, you know, the names to shout out. And then she had every woman in the room stand up because, and I, it was, but, and not in an annoying, girl bossy way. It was just really lovely and felt and, and also deserved and a surprise. So it was great.
30:56 Sean Fennessey? It was the trifecta.
30:57 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
30:58 Sean Fennessey? A very serious and cool artist working at the top of their craft, winning in a very cool, below the line category, making Oscar history.
31:06 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
31:06 Sean Fennessey? Kind of can't ask for more. This is, it was a really, really good moment. And that was kind of like, that was ultimately the balance between these two movies tonight. And One Battle emerged in the big, big race, but I think it was like not, there was no like, when, when, when casting happened, I was like, oh, I'm a little nervous. We're going to like eight for One Battle and two for Sinners. And this is going to seem a little icky. It's not going to feel right for it to be so unbalanced. And that didn't turn out to be the case. You know, a few films did not do all that great. You know, Marty's Supreme, Winless, The Secret Agent, Winless.
31:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
31:44 Sean Fennessey? And we did see your beloved Frankenstein won three awards below the line.
31:48 Amanda Dobbins? You know what? Who, another person who gets in honorary Meryl Streep, great in the audience award. Guillermo del Toro.
31:56 Sean Fennessey? Just. I thought you were gonna say a lordy.
31:58 Amanda Dobbins? Well, no, come on. We're gonna do mustaches later. Mustache watch. But, no, he, it was very sweet and he was seated up close because.
32:10 Sean Fennessey? He was shouted out in every thank you from.
32:13 Amanda Dobbins? And he was looking up and he was like doing the Spielberg stare up at the stage the whole time. It was, it was great. He's a good audience member, a good, you know, a good filmmaker, a good leader.
32:22 Sean Fennessey? Let's talk a little bit about the other acting awards. So, supporting actress, which was the first prize of the night, went to Amy Madigan.
32:30 Amanda Dobbins? That's right.
32:30 Sean Fennessey? Who became the favorite after the actor awards. I would not say was existing as the favorite, but whose narrative, so to speak, always made a lot of sense. And she, she went up and gave a daffy old nice speech from a person who hadn't been up there in 40 years, who hadn't been nominated in that long.
32:45 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, it was, it was daffy, but also heartfelt and like it didn't get away from her.
32:52 Sean Fennessey? No.
32:52 Amanda Dobbins? You know, it was, it was just charming and ultimately shouted out Ed Harris, sitting in the front row, looking amazing. It was really lovely.
33:01 Sean Fennessey? So I asked you this while we were sitting together. Ed Harris, of course, does not have an Academy Award. His wife, Amy Madigan, does. Well deserved for weapons, by the way, which fucking rocks and I love Ann Gladys.
33:12 Sean Fennessey? Ed Harris' four Oscar nominations.
33:14 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, I got to two.
33:16 Sean Fennessey? You got to. What were the two?
33:17 Amanda Dobbins? Apollo 13.
33:18 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
33:18 Amanda Dobbins? He was wearing a white tux today, just like the white flight vest that he wears in Apollo 13. A perfect film that will never be rewatchable. And I don't know what Bill has against it. It's okay. They just, they saved three men from space, but whatever. And then Truman Show.
33:35 Sean Fennessey? Truman Show, yeah, that's, that's, that's one of them.
33:37 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, but I didn't get the rest of them.
33:39 Sean Fennessey? Well, one of them is a film he directed.
33:41 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
33:41 Sean Fennessey? It did get an Academy Award win.
33:45 Sean Fennessey? You don't know it?
33:46 Amanda Dobbins? No, I don't know it.
33:47 Sean Fennessey? It's called Pollock, about Jackson Pollock.
33:50 Amanda Dobbins? He directed Pollock?
33:51 Sean Fennessey? Yes, he's the star and the director of the film Pollock. Marcia Gay Harden won.
33:55 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
33:56 Sean Fennessey? For playing Jackson Pollock's.
33:59 Sean Fennessey? Wife Lee Krasner, is that her name?
34:00 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
34:01 Sean Fennessey? I believe so. Just pulled Lee Krasner out of my head. Amazing here on Netflix. Um, and the other nomination that I completely forgotten is for the hours. Remember the hours?
34:11 Amanda Dobbins? Wow, is he Mr. Dalloway?
34:13 Sean Fennessey? Uh, yeah, Steve Dalloway.
34:15 Amanda Dobbins? What, actually, is he? I remember the hours.
34:18 Sean Fennessey? Don't know. Anyhow, Amy Madigan, terrific win, keeping in the tradition of Oscar villains, you know, not actual in the competitions, but villains in movies, winning and supporting categories like Heath Ledger and like Javier Bardem. And
34:34 Amanda Dobbins? I knew the minute that the telecast started, we'll talk about Conan more in a bit, but within two seconds, Conan was on screen in full Aunt Gladys drag, like two seconds into the broadcast. And I was like, well, okay, so Amy Madigan is winning.
34:52 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I gotta go back to my generational feelings when we get to Conan.
34:55 Amanda Dobbins? I also want to say Amy Madigan was wearing Dior and she looked great.
34:58 Sean Fennessey? Nice. How wonderful. Didn't clock that.
35:02 Sean Fennessey? Best Supporting Actor went to Sean Penn.
35:06 Amanda Dobbins? Who was not in attendance.
35:07 Sean Fennessey? Sean Penn.
35:08 Amanda Dobbins? I say to you, why?
35:09 Sean Fennessey? Joined an extraordinary class of actors who have three Academy Awards. And he did not show up to the show.
35:18 Amanda Dobbins? What I don't understand is that he was at the Golden Globes and we know he was at the Golden Globes because he was filmed smoking in the middle of the Beverly Hilton Ballroom. Uh, and so it can't be, it's not a blanket objection to award season. It's not like he just didn't want to be bothered with all of it. He started on the train. He was there and then he was no longer there. I don't understand.
35:42 Sean Fennessey? He completely lost interest in this two months ago.
35:44 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
35:45 Sean Fennessey? And now he has three Oscars. How many three time Oscar winning actors or actresses can you name?
35:51 Amanda Dobbins? Frances McDormand.
35:52 Sean Fennessey? That's one.
35:53 Amanda Dobbins? Meryl Streep.
35:54 Sean Fennessey? That's two.
35:56 Amanda Dobbins? Denzel still only has two. Uh, hmm. Nicholson only has two? Or does Nicholson have three?
36:05 Sean Fennessey? Nicholson has three.
36:05 Amanda Dobbins? Nicholson has three? Um, how many did Hackman have?
36:10 Sean Fennessey? Nope, just two. There are, there are eight total.
36:12 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
36:13 Sean Fennessey? You've got three. Well, four makes Sean Penn.
36:15 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, four makes Sean Penn. Um, okay, there've gotta be some more men here.
36:19 Sean Fennessey? There's a very obvious man.
36:22 Amanda Dobbins? Daniel Day-Lewis.
36:22 Sean Fennessey? That's five.
36:23 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, uh, because sometimes I'm rounding up to four, but who else?
36:30 Sean Fennessey? The next three.
36:31 Amanda Dobbins? Tom Hanks has two.
36:31 Sean Fennessey? The next three are classic cinema.
36:34 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, Tom Hanks has two because he won for Philadelphia and Forrest Gump in a row, but then he was snubbed for Apollo 13 the next year.
36:43 Sean Fennessey? Yes, so I've heard.
36:45 Amanda Dobbins? Um, okay.
36:47 Sean Fennessey? We are live.
36:49 Amanda Dobbins? Sure, but you brought up movie trivia and let me.
36:53 Sean Fennessey? I brought it up because there's nothing to say about Sean Penn's speech.
36:55 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
36:55 Sean Fennessey? So I was like, this is allotted for the Sean Penn moment.
36:58 Amanda Dobbins? Classic cinema. I have some trivia. Not Cary Grant because they didn't give him an Oscar. Jimmy Stewart.
37:02 Sean Fennessey? No.
37:02 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, um.
37:04 Sean Fennessey? Two are easy, one is hard.
37:06 Amanda Dobbins? Uh, not Paul Newman.
37:08 Sean Fennessey? No.
37:09 Amanda Dobbins? But more classic.
37:10 Sean Fennessey? Two gals.
37:10 Amanda Dobbins? More two gals. Well, Katherine Hepburn has four.
37:13 Sean Fennessey? Yes, that's one.
37:13 Amanda Dobbins? She has four.
37:15 Sean Fennessey? Well, yeah.
37:15 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, I didn't know we were rounding up. Three or more. I thought we were doing.
37:19 Sean Fennessey? Katherine Hepburn.
37:20 Amanda Dobbins? I thought this is.
37:20 Sean Fennessey? Yes, okay, two more.
37:22 Amanda Dobbins? I didn't know you could go over.
37:23 Sean Fennessey? You hang in there, mama, you got it. You're going, you're doing great.
37:26 Amanda Dobbins? Am I wrong here? In the booth? Okay, they're not, they're not, okay. Um, so Katherine Hepburn and two gals.
37:33 Sean Fennessey? Jack, what happened with the W World Baseball Classic?
37:35 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
37:36 Speaker 05 The United States won on a very controversial 3-2 pitch that was a ball and called a strike to strike out Geraldo Perdomo.
37:43 Sean Fennessey? What?
37:44 Amanda Dobbins? Wow.
37:45 Sean Fennessey? What?
37:46 Amanda Dobbins? It's, it's your night.
37:47 Sean Fennessey? One battle and we're going for. Wow, unbelievable.
37:51 Amanda Dobbins? Sort of, I don't, I don't want like a metaphor, no comp there, but yeah.
37:54 Sean Fennessey? Mark DeRosa, crazy like a fox lining up the Dominican Republic semifinal. My goodness, okay, you, there's two more people. I'm gonna tell you who they are. You wanna know?
38:03 Amanda Dobbins? Please, yeah.
38:03 Sean Fennessey? One of them is Ingrid Bergman, of course.
38:06 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah.
38:07 Sean Fennessey? And she had, you know, the Murder on the Orient Express one is a little, little phony, but Gaslight and Anastasia, those are good wins. And then Walter Brennan, who has three Best Supporting Actor Oscars for Come and Get It, Kentucky, which I know you love, and The Westerner.
38:22 Sean Fennessey? So Sean Penn joins that hallowed group. Sean Penn. Sean Penn, Sean Penn who interviewed El Chapo.
38:28 Amanda Dobbins? Do you think that Sean Penn, Ingrid Bergman would have had a lot to say to each other? Kind of yes, right?
38:34 Sean Fennessey? I kinda do.
38:35 Amanda Dobbins? That's why, that's why I brought it up.
38:37 Sean Fennessey? You know, Robert Rossellini, who Ingrid Bergman married, you know, famously interested in the the post-war.
38:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
38:43 Sean Fennessey? The carnage in Italy in the 1940s and 50s. That's Sean Penn loves to go to war sites. I'm not making a joke. He really does.
38:50 Amanda Dobbins? That's what I'm saying.
38:51 Sean Fennessey? He goes to war torn areas. He goes to countries in need.
38:53 Amanda Dobbins? All right.
38:54 Sean Fennessey? Sean Penn is just a crazy cat, you know? This is three Oscars for that guy. Can't believe it. Doesn't, this is not insightful commentary. I'm just blown away.
39:03 Amanda Dobbins? So if you don't show up to collect your Oscars.
39:06 Sean Fennessey? It comes, it goes right to me. I get it. Yeah.
39:08 Amanda Dobbins? Do they mail it to you?
39:09 Sean Fennessey? Oscars waiting at home.
39:10 Amanda Dobbins? Do they mail it to you?
39:12 Sean Fennessey? Uh.
39:13 Amanda Dobbins? Like, do you have to send someone to Messenger?
39:15 Sean Fennessey? I think he probably has to go to the post office to pick it up. Or the library? Where does he have to go? What civic institution does he have to visit to go pick it up?
39:25 Sean Fennessey? We broke face. Okay. We broke down a little bit. It's been a long day.
39:28 Amanda Dobbins? It's been a long day. My earring fell off. I tried to fix this before, but I knew this was gonna happen. All right.
39:34 Sean Fennessey? Jessie Buckley, she won best actress. This has been understood to happen for months and months.
39:39 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
39:39 Sean Fennessey? She gives an incredible performance in Hamlet, of course. You know, Bill Simmons' favorite movie of the year, Van Lathan's favorite movie of the year, just, just touching, touching soul. I mean, they both love it. They will not stop.
39:50 Amanda Dobbins? I know, I know they both love it, but is it like number one?
39:52 Sean Fennessey? I love Hamlet. Like, stop making eye contact with me so intensely that you gotta just, just punch.
39:57 Amanda Dobbins? I know, it's gone. So I'm just doing one. No, you can't. The thing is, is that it won't stay on.
40:01 Sean Fennessey? No, it'll stay on my ear.
40:03 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, we'd love for you to try. No, we're just putting it right here. I already had to take the bracelet off because it was clanking against the table. You know what? Black ties and podcasting don't necessarily go together. We're working every day.
40:14 Sean Fennessey? I am thriving.
40:15 Amanda Dobbins? Further the definitions of what black tie can be.
40:17 Sean Fennessey? Stronger than ever.
40:18 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, I'm just keeping my hair like this and then you won't be able to see it. Jessie Buckley won and she did the full cover your face, like instant cry reaction shot, which I thought was a tiny bit too much, given that we knew that she was going to win.
40:35 Sean Fennessey? I've always wondered this.
40:36 Amanda Dobbins? Mm-hmm.
40:37 Sean Fennessey? I've never won anything, of course.
40:39 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. Ever? What's up with the iHeart Podcast? Did we win?
40:43 Sean Fennessey? Oh, wait, did, oh, no, it's actually tomorrow, I think.
40:46 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, well, you know, maybe tomorrow's your day.
40:49 Sean Fennessey? Don't fuck this up for us. Jesus, I'm trying to get a thought off. Jessie Buckley was in this unique position that you and I, maybe you have, maybe you have felt this, but I have definitely never felt this.
41:00 Amanda Dobbins? I won some awards in high school.
41:02 Sean Fennessey? I'll bet you did.
41:06 Sean Fennessey? Where she's, she's known for months, you know? I'm sure she's a humble person and is a very serious artist and I love her. I've been singing her praises on the show for years. I think she's an elite, phenomenal actor. But she has, you know, when she goes home and it's her and her husband and they've had a long day, they're taking care of the kid.
41:23 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
41:23 Sean Fennessey? It's tough times. She can rest on the pillow and say, I shall be the best actress.
41:28 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
41:28 Sean Fennessey? Very soon.
41:28 Amanda Dobbins? Right, right, right.
41:30 Sean Fennessey? But so like, how do you keep that from popping out?
41:35 Amanda Dobbins? Um.
41:35 Sean Fennessey? How do you, how do you like, how do you put your hands over your face and be like, I can't believe this is happening?
41:39 Amanda Dobbins? Well, I think it helps that if the studio that won the Oscar and the runner up tonight releases your less than ideally reviewed blockbuster adaptation of The Bride of Frankenstein.
41:54 Sean Fennessey? That was her humble pie?
41:55 Amanda Dobbins? Like a week before, yeah, maybe that just brings you down a little bit.
41:57 Sean Fennessey? She was fantastic in that movie.
41:59 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, you and Yasi Saltik, that's, it's good that you can find joy wherever. It was the character and the writing, it was not Jessie Buckley's performance that I had an issue with.
42:09 Sean Fennessey? Let's psychoanalyze.
42:11 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
42:12 Sean Fennessey? Renata Reinsva, Kate Hudson, some of her other fellow nominees.
42:15 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
42:16 Sean Fennessey? When she is like, she's like, I can't believe I won.
42:18 Amanda Dobbins? Uh huh.
42:19 Sean Fennessey? Do you think they're like, you've been backing your Cadillac over my body for the last four months at award shows, like, please don't do this to me?
42:26 Amanda Dobbins? I think they're probably like, please get this camera out of my face so I can go get drunk.
42:32 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
42:33 Amanda Dobbins? Is what I would guess.
42:34 Sean Fennessey? That's exactly how you feel right now.
42:36 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, except, it's so true. Except for Kate Hudson, who is like, do I have any more paid promo with Grogu to do before I get to go home and get drunk?
42:46 Sean Fennessey? Which is how I feel.
42:47 Amanda Dobbins? And let me say, she sold it very well.
42:48 Sean Fennessey? She did.
42:49 Amanda Dobbins? And she has always looked very beautiful and I hope she's having a nice time at a party right now.
42:53 Sean Fennessey? Let's, let's pivot briefly to that conversation. So, uh, I would say. Disney, the Disney Corporation seemed very comfortable synergizing some of their products with this award show. We saw a reunion, a reunion between Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr., two guys who have been apart for so long. What have they been doing without each other? I don't know. But they were reunited because they're promoting a forthcoming Avengers movie. It was the 14th anniversary since their first Avengers film. Who fucking cares? And then we saw Pedro Pascal and Sigourney Weaver present an award, which led to that Grogu moment that you mentioned, openly promoting The Mandalorian and Grogu, also a Disney film. And we also saw Anna Wintor and Anne Hathaway.
43:34 Amanda Dobbins? That's right.
43:34 Sean Fennessey? I thought in one of the better of the bits.
43:36 Amanda Dobbins? Certainly the best of the synergy moments.
43:39 Sean Fennessey? Presenting for costume design and makeup and hairstyling, of course, connected to The Devil Wears Prada 2, which is coming out in six weeks. You know, Disney won't have the Oscars in three years. YouTube will be taking the show over. Conan made a joke about that very fact at the show, which was very funny, thanks to Jane Lynch.
43:57 Amanda Dobbins? And also the credit sequence of the Oscars, when he did the one battle setup and then they replaced the title on the door from Forever Host Conan O'Brien to Forever Host Mr. Beast.
44:11 Sean Fennessey? Yes, very funny. It all comes for all of us, and it came for Conan tonight. I thought this was like gross, but I get it. What else is Disney supposed to do? And why aren't more studios just buying time during the Oscars? 20 million people are gonna watch this show.
44:24 Amanda Dobbins? I do think we could do it a bit better. You know, the Anne Hathaway, Anna Wintor one was at least, it understood the subject matter that it was working with. And they had Anna do very little, but do it well.
44:39 Sean Fennessey? Yes, props to her for actually living up to her reputation performatively.
44:44 Amanda Dobbins? Yes. And then, but the other two, the Robert Downey Jr. or Chris Evans one, which I realize in retrospect is like the Marvel moment that we were sold, which is two guys doing really bad, half-hearted copy about what gifts they gave each other for the Avengers anniversary.
45:02 Sean Fennessey? Really, really dingy stuff.
45:04 Amanda Dobbins? Is really, really, like I would have asked for some new. Copy, were I them.
45:09 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
45:09 Amanda Dobbins? And, you know, but the, the Grogu one is how I feel about Mandalorian and Grogu in general, which is this does look sort of like the bottom rung of IP management delivered to small children.
45:25 Sean Fennessey? Mm hmm.
45:26 Amanda Dobbins? And we should all be ashamed of ourselves and, and, and I'm saddened that Sigourney Weaver participates in it.
45:31 Sean Fennessey? Mm hmm.
45:32 Amanda Dobbins? And also, the report from home is that my son was psyched and he was waiting and waiting and waiting for the performance of Golden, which they saved until 6:55 PM Pacific, 9:55 Eastern.
45:47 Sean Fennessey? I genuinely don't understand that.
45:49 Amanda Dobbins? But, you know, at least Grogu showed up at some point and he was like, can you believe it's Grogu? So, you know, I, I don't know. Like, I, like all of the celebrated filmmakers who won Oscars tonight, am but a parent.
46:01 Sean Fennessey? In terms of the arts, would you say that you love puppets?
46:06 Amanda Dobbins? I like them more than cartoons, yes.
46:08 Sean Fennessey? I see.
46:08 Amanda Dobbins? Mm hmm.
46:09 Sean Fennessey? Okay, good to know, because that was some, that was some handmade puppetry.
46:12 Amanda Dobbins? I went to puppetry camp.
46:13 Sean Fennessey? You went to puppetry camp?
46:15 Amanda Dobbins? I did, at the Center for Puppetry Arts in Atlanta, and you had to make a puppet out with a tennis ball as a head, but I have to tell you that it was very hard to puncture the tennis ball in order to get, you know, the appropriate steering instruments.
46:29 Sean Fennessey? This is my solemn vow, I'll never quit this show with you, never. It's moments like that, they're just revelatory.
46:35 Amanda Dobbins? I went to all the performing arts camps, puppetry is performing art. Check out the people at Bob Baker's Marion Hefner Theater.
46:40 Sean Fennessey? I know, I'm aware, I'm a huge fan.
46:42 Amanda Dobbins? When I see them walking around in their red, just like on the street, I'm like, that is a real celebrity. Those are the Bob Baker, the puppeters.
46:50 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, they're incredible, yeah. Shout out to them, I know, we have spent many, many, many an afternoon there.
46:54 Amanda Dobbins? But I'm trying to not violate their, violate their space, you know?
46:56 Sean Fennessey? Wow, but if, if it was Leo, you'd roll up to him and be like, yo, what's up, dog?
47:00 Amanda Dobbins? No, I will respect Leo's space.
47:02 Sean Fennessey? Um. Yeah, there was, there was a lot of, there was a decent amount of synergy. I still find it very strange that the Super Bowl has more capital with the movie business than the Oscars does. I mean, obviously, more people watch the Super Bowl, but there's a captive audience of movie fans that are tuning in for the Academy Awards and like, watching the commercials tonight, and even watching the presenters, like, how many of them were even promoting new movies tonight? I found that to be very odd.
47:25 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know, but we got multiple Rolex ads, including, like, the same Rolex ad, Rolex ad played twice, and then there was a special Zendaya-only Rolex ad.
47:35 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
47:36 Amanda Dobbins? So maybe that says good things about the, the net worth of, of the Oscar-watching committee, uh, audience?
47:44 Sean Fennessey? Eee, sure.
47:46 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know.
47:46 Sean Fennessey? Do you have a Rolex?
47:48 Amanda Dobbins? No, I don't. I don't have a Rolex.
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48:57 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
48:58 Sean Fennessey? Animated went to-
48:58 Amanda Dobbins? It's a real up-down-
49:00 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
49:00 Amanda Dobbins? Up-down, roller coaster of emotions here. That's how roller coasters go.
49:04 Sean Fennessey? Animated Feature-
49:05 Amanda Dobbins? Mm-hmm.
49:05 Sean Fennessey? Went to K-pop Demon Hunters.
49:07 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, very early in the night.
49:09 Sean Fennessey? Yes, Maggie Caine, Chris Apelhans, uh, spoke-
49:13 Sean Fennessey? Maggie seemed knocked out. She was very emotional.
49:16 Amanda Dobbins? I thought it was lovely.
49:17 Sean Fennessey? I liked what Chris had to say about art and cultures connecting to each other through art. I think that movie, if you can just remove your cynicism for five seconds, is an amazing way to introduce young people to all kinds of different kinds of art. And I think it's a really cool movie and it's like a pretty good win and an interesting win in terms of that category, which is really evolving right now. Like it used to just be like, all right, it's Pixar and then maybe every 10 years you get a Miyazaki. And now I feel like it's a little, the aperture has been widened for what's eligible. And also interesting moment for Sony Pictures Animation too. Obviously Netflix distributed the movie, but they've, they've just had another hit with Goat and they're kind of riding high right now.
49:57 Amanda Dobbins? I, I loved the moment. I loved the speech. I thought both Maggie and Chris, like they are another situation where they've won everything all season long and kind of had to know it was coming, but still, and were ready and, and knew what they wanted to say, but also were clearly very moved by the moment. So it was great. I, I was happy to see at least one K-pop Demon Hunters up earlier because I do know that there were a lot of young children just waiting for K-pop Demon Hunters wherever they could get it. It's been interesting, like in, in the span of this award season is when my household has really caught on to that movie because we're a bit younger, but it's powerful. And
50:38 Amanda Dobbins? I, and I agree of all of the other kids' stuff that I'm watching, it teaches kids great things, not just about music and, and Korean culture and, you know, how sometimes girls are cooler than boys, but it's just a way of thinking about yourself. So I, I'm very pro. I'm very happy for them.
50:57 Sean Fennessey? International feature, sentimental value from Norway, Joakim Trir's film won here. And I think after it won at BAFTA, it seemed like it had the run of show. There was not really a lot of the sense that The Secret Agent or any other film was going to come in behind it. What was your reaction?
51:12 Amanda Dobbins? Except for everyone with their itchy fingers online in the, in the past week.
51:17 Sean Fennessey? Yes. Some pundits did still go with The Secret Agent. You and I never really came off that.
51:21 Amanda Dobbins? I almost did. I had, I had it noted because I, hello to the people of Brazil. They are, you know, very powerful and their enthusiasm for this movie and this performance is I think part of what has propelled it, along with the good people at Neon, who, who buy movies that can and do the work. And The Sentimental Value had four acting nominations and screenplay and director and picture. It was just, and it was kind of the only place for a win to go. So I don't think anything else ever had a chance, but I don't know. Secret Agent is an amazing film, if you haven't seen it.
52:01 Sean Fennessey? It is, and now feels overlooked. And now I think we've done a lot to try to promote the greatness of that movie, but zero wins tonight. And that leaves us with documentary.
52:11 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
52:12 Sean Fennessey? Where you, you, you had a sourpuss on when it was announced that Mr. Nobody Against Putin.
52:18 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
52:19 Sean Fennessey? Won.
52:20 Amanda Dobbins? I didn't really care for this slate of documentary nominees. All worthy issues and all medium to questionable films. And I found this to be the most questionably executed of the films. And I thought that the speech that the filmmaker gave about tying it to a current moment was perceptive. I would have liked to see a little bit more of that in the film and a little bit less of the solipsistic nature of the, the, the Pasha character.
53:04 Amanda Dobbins? And I, I still want to know what's going on in that town, but I guess no one will ever tell me. I hope they're okay.
53:09 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Not my favorite category this year.
53:12 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
53:13 Sean Fennessey? And it ended with kind of a strange win. I don't want to speak too strongly, but I think we need to reevaluate what this category is supposed to do. And I think the branch is a little weird and everybody knows it's a little weird.
53:24 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
53:25 Sean Fennessey? Historically been very finicky. And it's not just because it's hard to predict, it's mostly because the slate of films that we have have kind of shifted dramatically. A listener to the show.
53:38 Amanda Dobbins? Well, this is so good.
53:39 Sean Fennessey? Sent along some extraordinary research and analysis around social issues becoming dramatically more important to the nominees in this category over time and also increasingly more international nominees. That in and of itself, there's nothing wrong with it, but the category, this category has undergone a pretty dramatic shift. And next time we talk docs, I'll read more deeply from that research, but.
54:04 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, wasn't my favorite. Let's talk about the shorts categories.
54:08 Amanda Dobbins? Mm hmm.
54:08 Sean Fennessey? Um, because, you know, speaking of documentaries, All the Empty Rooms did win.
54:15 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
54:16 Sean Fennessey? The Devil is Busy. No, you did not predict The Devil is Busy.
54:19 Amanda Dobbins? No, I just wanted it to end. And that was the exception to my annual, the shorts should be in a different awards show rant, because I was quite moved by it. And every once in a while, I'm wrong, and it's important to say that.
54:32 Sean Fennessey? Wow, that was very, very, very brave and sincere of you.
54:36 Amanda Dobbins? Thank you.
54:37 Sean Fennessey? Live action short film, I thought produced perhaps the best moment of the night, which was a tie.
54:42 Amanda Dobbins? Not the best moment, but something interesting.
54:44 Sean Fennessey? It's just something where I was like, oh, my, I have not seen this in some time. It's been, in fact, I think 13 years since we had a tie at the Academy Awards.
54:52 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, 2012 was the last.
54:55 Sean Fennessey? And what was it, sound editing?
54:56 Amanda Dobbins? It was in sound editing.
54:57 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
54:58 Amanda Dobbins? And the winners were Skyfall and Zero Dark Thirty.
55:02 Sean Fennessey? I remember this. So, live action short film, we did, in fact, have a tie. Kumail Nanjiani was introducing this category. He took an absolute stray from Conan O'Brien, who said that the following presenter has the physique of a Marvel hero
55:17 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
55:17 Sean Fennessey? and the voice of a Marvel collector. And Kumail clearly did not know that was coming. He was extremely funny in the
55:23 Amanda Dobbins? Which he said.
55:24 Sean Fennessey? the receiving of that joke.
55:26 Amanda Dobbins? And then he also had a pretty good bit about how maybe more feature films could just be best live action films, and then did a whole list. But what I remember was just one battle.
55:40 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
55:40 Amanda Dobbins? And then Schindler's Post-it.
55:42 Sean Fennessey? Schindler's Post-it was very funny. And he opened the envelope for this award, and he revealed and explained perfectly
55:49 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
55:49 Sean Fennessey? that there was a tie.
55:51 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
55:51 Sean Fennessey? That he was not joking, and that the way that this would go is, he would announce one film's name, people would come up, give an acceptance speech, then they would leave, and then he would announce the next film's name, and then those filmmakers would come up and give their speech. And it went over beautifully.
56:04 Amanda Dobbins? It was an extraordinary moment of crowd management, to the point that, and if he was tipped off, then great job by everyone involved, because he knew exactly what to do. He said, there's a tie, I'm not joking, we're gonna get through this, I'm gonna, you know, and the right amount of funny, and also very clear. He would be like, he would be a great elementary school teacher. I don't know why I keep invoking elementary school, but. So did he know to do that? Or did he just decide off the cuff?
56:35 Sean Fennessey? I don't know. Was there a 500-word essay inside of the envelope explaining what he should do? Like, how did he know that?
56:42 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know.
56:43 Sean Fennessey? Throw some of the Pricewaterhouse stuff into question there. Like, what information? Was he given information that there was a tie but didn't know, didn't say who the winners were?
56:51 Amanda Dobbins? It could be that, and it could be explained what to do. Because I remember after the Moonlight La La Land debacle, it was explained that there is always, or at that time, maybe procedures, maybe security's been upped since then.
57:05 Sean Fennessey? Sure.
57:06 Amanda Dobbins? But that there would be a Pricewaterhouse, there was always a PricewaterhouseCooper representative standing on the side of the stage who knew the results. So that if anything went wrong on stage, they could intervene.
57:18 Sean Fennessey? That's actually what CR is doing right now. In case he makes a mistake, he bursts on stage. You guys, shut up. You're wrong. It wasn't Jessie Buckley who won.
57:28 Amanda Dobbins? So maybe someone there. But he looked surprised.
57:33 Sean Fennessey? He did. He sold it. He sold the moment.
57:35 Amanda Dobbins? Does everybody get briefed, like, that if there's a tie, here's what happens?
57:38 Sean Fennessey? I don't know.
57:38 Amanda Dobbins? I don't look like most presenters are paying that much attention.
57:40 Sean Fennessey? No. Ties are fascinating. There was a question about the possibility of a tie in our Instagram Live before the show. And also, another thing that I said to you was that I was having some second thoughts about my pick for Best Live Action Short Film. You know, you and I both picked two people exchanging saliva, which had been the heavy favorite and is very liked. And then I was thinking about the singers, the Netflix film about a group of men in a bar singing and how it makes people feel, which is they feel moved by it and they like it. And we split the difference here. They both won.
58:09 Amanda Dobbins? Yes. So just to be clear, we are counting the live action short that we got, that we picked that did win one of the two Oscars as a correct prediction.
58:20 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I think that's right.
58:21 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, because otherwise, no one predicted a tie.
58:24 Sean Fennessey? Well, yes.
58:24 Amanda Dobbins? If someone did predict a tie out there in the world, I mean, they can't prove it.
58:29 Sean Fennessey? It just made a very difficult-to-predict category that much easier, which is, we salute them. We did not get correct. Best Animated Short.
58:37 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
58:38 Sean Fennessey? And that prize went to The Girl Who Cried Pearls. And we predicted Butterfly. And it didn't win. Any thoughts?
58:46 Amanda Dobbins? I don't care for, stop motion doesn't speak to me. It's not my preferred form of animation.
58:51 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
58:51 Amanda Dobbins? Thank you for your time.
58:53 Sean Fennessey? Those are your only thoughts there?
58:55 Amanda Dobbins? What I mean, what do you got?
58:57 Sean Fennessey? No, that's, that's fine.
58:58 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
58:59 Sean Fennessey? That just about does it, I think. You know, we haven't spoken in any detail about costume design or makeup and hairstyling.
59:08 Sean Fennessey? Production design.
59:09 Amanda Dobbins? All went to Frankenstein.
59:10 Sean Fennessey? They all went to Frankenstein.
59:11 Amanda Dobbins? As predicted.
59:12 Sean Fennessey? Mm hmm. Uh, let's spend a little time on the show itself.
59:17 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
59:19 Sean Fennessey? Conan O'Brien was back for a second year. He opened the show with a Billy Crystal-esque filmed montage in which he appeared in several of the nominated films, starting with his appearance as Aunt Gladys or as Conan in Aunt Gladys Drag.
59:36 Amanda Dobbins? As, as Conan having what is either a nightmare or a weapons-esque, you know, alternate reality where everyone else sees Conan, but he knows he looks like Aunt Gladys. And the small children, the small group of children who are falling behind him and all screaming also seem to think that he looks like Aunt Gladys.
59:58 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
59:58 Amanda Dobbins? And they're in his thrall as such.
1:00:00 Sean Fennessey? And he raced through F1. He raced through Marty Supreme. He raced through Hamlet, very funny, in the back, behind, behind Hamlet. He raced through, he had a sit down conversation with Gustav Borg and Sentimental Value. And he raced through Sinners as well.
1:00:16 Amanda Dobbins? He sang Danny Boy at the, you know, the, the open the barn, will you let me in scene?
1:00:21 Sean Fennessey? Right. This was all set to the Beastie Boys sabotage.
1:00:24 Amanda Dobbins? It was, yeah.
1:00:25 Sean Fennessey? And once again, my adolescence to the fore, a lot of my stuff colliding.
1:00:30 Amanda Dobbins? This is specifically happening to us more and more with Beastie Boys songs.
1:00:35 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:00:35 Amanda Dobbins? Because they're getting looser and looser with the licensing.
1:00:39 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:00:40 Amanda Dobbins? And every time we are generationally confronted with, this was the most sacred, coolest thing that I could possibly know, and now it's in a Minions movie, or it's at the beginning of the Oscars. And what does that mean for us as people? What does that mean for what's cool? What does that mean for time? None of its answers we want, so I think we just gotta move on.
1:01:04 Sean Fennessey? I thought it was a funny.
1:01:05 Amanda Dobbins? It was funny. I liked it.
1:01:06 Sean Fennessey? Cold opening.
1:01:06 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:01:08 Sean Fennessey? I thought Conan's monologue was a little weak, and I think he felt it a little bit. And Conan, famously, on his show, delivered many a weak monologue and often played into the fact that he was like, "I'm doing my best here, guys." So it was kind of part of his comedic persona.
1:01:21 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:01:21 Sean Fennessey? He was very funny with that, and it's very funny for him to be doing that in the room. I seem to remember him killing a lot more last year. I could be wrong. Part of it was just the excitement to see him in that setting.
1:01:31 Amanda Dobbins? I think also, he did have a very sincere moment at almost the very end of the opening that acknowledged, if not in specific terms, all of the horrors currently happening in the world around us, both in the United States and outside of the United States, much of it at the United States doing. But just acknowledging that it is a very tough time and talking about the power of movies, really like as a portrait of something to look forward to, of hope, of things getting better. And I thought it was sincere and really deftly handled. And it made the silliness of the rest of the monologue make more sense. There weren't
1:02:14 Amanda Dobbins? very many going for it jokes. Everything was goofy. There were lunch meat puns. And delivered in the Conan, nodding your head a lot.
1:02:25 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:02:26 Amanda Dobbins? Charm. It wasn't unfunny. It was just kind of goofy.
1:02:32 Amanda Dobbins? And he wasn't really trying to hurt anyone.
1:02:36 Sean Fennessey? It wasn't, in general, an overtly political Academy Awards. We already mentioned one of the speeches for Best Documentary that spoke to it. Javier Bardem spoke very strongly and said, "Free Palestine" from the stage, which is something that is not.
1:02:49 Amanda Dobbins? And end all wars.
1:02:50 Sean Fennessey? Yes, not common.
1:02:51 Amanda Dobbins? Also with, not the tiny ice-out pen, though I didn't see many of those tonight.
1:02:55 Sean Fennessey? No, I didn't either.
1:02:56 Amanda Dobbins? But he had full medallions.
1:02:58 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:02:59 Amanda Dobbins? Which was consistent with how Javier Bardem has spoken his views at every public event that he has attended.
1:03:05 Sean Fennessey? Yes. But one of the very few people at this award show who even spoke to the severity of a lot of issues around the world. In a specific way.
1:03:16 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:03:17 Sean Fennessey? You know, there were a lot of bromides, of course, about being together and caring for one another.
1:03:21 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:03:22 Sean Fennessey? Not a lot of specificity this year. Conan.
1:03:26 Amanda Dobbins? Also then ended with a whole opera bit, but not, not a Timmy bit. He did, he did the Timmy joke. And.
1:03:34 Sean Fennessey? How are you feeling about that? How are you feeling about the?
1:03:36 Amanda Dobbins? The ballet and the opera?
1:03:37 Sean Fennessey? Well, just that, just that, that, that controversy took off after the voting ended.
1:03:42 Amanda Dobbins? I still.
1:03:42 Sean Fennessey? He's been roundly roasted.
1:03:44 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, to be very clear, that all happened. The, the, the interview happened before, but the virality of that clip being posted and the outrage all happened after voting closed. So if it had anything to do with the results in best actor, it was a reflection rather than a cause of Timmy losing that, losing the Oscar.
1:04:05 Sean Fennessey? Do you think it were, it was a little overkill with a lot of the like commentary and jokes and?
1:04:09 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, well, by sent by tonight, by Oscars night, it wasn't funny and especially by the fourth one, even the, even the Conan joke was like, Timmy was kind of taking Timmy under his wing a little. I can't remember the exact phrasing, but it wasn't at.
1:04:23 Sean Fennessey? Well, it was like even one of the guys who won best live action short film, making a shot, taking a pointed ballet comment. I was like, all right, man, like, come on.
1:04:31 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, you're not funny anymore. It's not creative. Uh, so yeah, I think it's over. Um, they'll, you know, as you said to me, they'll never take that phone from us. They'll never take the.
1:04:41 Sean Fennessey? I love Marty Supreme.
1:04:41 Amanda Dobbins? I love Marty Supreme. I know I, I love that performance. I am team Timmy. I'm really, really happy that Michael B. Jordan won. I think it's deserving, but um, yeah.
1:04:51 Sean Fennessey? It's a good one. Timmy's, he's gonna be back in Dune 3, man. It's like, we're, this is gonna get going all over again. Dune 3 is about to be an Oscar movie too. So like buckle up. He's gonna be back.
1:05:00 Amanda Dobbins? That's, that's great. Uh, but no, but then the second opera thing was when, after his moment of sincerity, Conan did a whole. This is what I'd do if I won an Oscar bit and he had like a full, he accepted the Oscar on like a mountain set and Josh Groban was singing a song about it and I was quite amused.
1:05:19 Sean Fennessey? My favorite Conan joke of the night was when he brought up sinners and he mentioned that Kugler is not a member of the Academy because he doesn't feel that, you know, we should individually be celebrating the works of a single film.
1:05:30 Amanda Dobbins? He doesn't like judging his peers' work.
1:05:32 Sean Fennessey? And then Conan said, but the rest of you pricks seem to love it, which I thought was the kind of like mean spirited F you that the host needs to have sometimes, you know? Kimmel always, I thought, did a nice job of kind of balancing that, like, and don't forget you guys are fucking clowns a little bit in all of his.
1:05:48 Amanda Dobbins? Speaking of Kimmel, they had him come out to present the two documentary awards, which I thought was really great programming and great producing.
1:05:55 Sean Fennessey? Some really good ABC synergy as well.
1:06:00 Sean Fennessey? What else? I mean, what else? What, what, we mentioned the YouTube Oscars joke at the, at the end of the film there with the Mr. Beast bit. There was also a YouTube joke about Beam Pro and Jane Lynch. There was adventure, crossroads, AI improving films, shrinking down the images that you would see and redefining them. Let's talk, I guess, about the tributes.
1:06:20 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, which were much earlier in the show than they usually are.
1:06:24 Sean Fennessey? Billy Crystal came out to celebrate the Reiners and his work with Rob Reiner over the years. And walked through some of the films that they made together and that incredible run that he had from roughly 1980 or 1995. And I really liked that they did that. After he spoke, they started to kind of start the traditional in memoriam package where they showed us a series of people who'd worked in Hollywood over the years, making films internationally as well. And then they cut out and they cut to Rachel McAdams, who gave a tribute to Diane Keaton, which at first I thought was going to be a little eye rolly. And then I was kind of crying by the end of it. I thought it was really good.
1:07:01 Amanda Dobbins? It was so beautiful. I mean, we've talked about it before on this show this year, Rachel McAdams is a star. They, and a wonderful presence, they starred together in a truly underrated romantic comedy, Morning Glory, also starring Harrison Ford. He makes a frittata and that is how he enunciates those teas. But so she had real stories and she told, she closed it with like an amazing story of.
1:07:32 Amanda Dobbins? A song that Diane Keaton would sing on set, make new friends, but keep the old.
1:07:36 Sean Fennessey? A Girl Scout song.
1:07:37 Amanda Dobbins? Exactly. And they weave it into the tribute. Like, they just, it was great writing, great performance, and she's such a lovely person. So, and also, you know, she pointed out, like, Diane Keaton is a legend to every single aspiring actress, and especially anyone who wanted to do comedic work, which Rachel McAdams does, so.
1:07:56 Sean Fennessey? I thought they really did right by her, and I liked how they did that. And as I was watching that, and even before Barbra Streisand came out to honor Robert Redford, all I could think to myself was like, this is the point of this show. Like, it's not to honor people who've passed away, but it's to say that there's connectivity in the work, movie to movie, career to career, that these people know each other, that they're interested in each other and care about each other, and that they can communicate about things that their peers do in ways that maybe we can't. And if you're not platforming that and making that more a point of the show, and obviously you want to entertain the masses and you want to talk about the new movies, but there should just be more of this in the show. And maybe it was because Rachel McAdams was just good at it, and she, what she wrote or how someone helped her, I don't know what happened, but it was really nicely
1:08:41 Sean Fennessey? done. But same for Billy Crystal, and same for Barbra Streisand when she honored Robert Redford, and they obviously worked together many years ago.
1:08:46 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:08:46 Sean Fennessey? And had known each other for decades. And she gave kind of a sleepy tribute. Barbra Streisand, you know, is in her 80s, of course, and then she started singing, and she was like singing her balls off.
1:08:56 Amanda Dobbins? I just, I can't express the number of different emotions that I felt in the moment when Barbra Streisand was handed the microphone and seemingly was not expecting it, and then launched into memories. And it was, I went from, oh, no, and I think I was clutching the side of the couch, because in general, I get nervous when people sing live.
1:09:23 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:09:24 Amanda Dobbins? You know? And then, she's still Babs, even though she doesn't want to be called Babs, as we learned from her tribute to Robert Redford.
1:09:30 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
1:09:31 Amanda Dobbins? She's still got it. But I really, I was down, I was horrified, I was up, I was moved.
1:09:39 Sean Fennessey? Well, in my head, I was like, Rachel McAdams has crushed this, we're really bringing the energy down here, come on, like, let's get it going. But she sang well.
1:09:45 Amanda Dobbins? The tribute was, the in memoriam section was almost 10 minutes long, I think maybe longer, much, much longer. And that just reflects that it was a pretty extraordinary year in terms of the number of, like, True, great Hollywood legends that we lost. But I, I think you're right that they found a way
1:10:05 Amanda Dobbins? to like, to spend a moment with those really Titanic, kind of outsized names, but you fit a lot of people in and made it like an actual moment in the show.
1:10:14 Sean Fennessey? You could have spent more time on, on Claudia Cardinale and Robert Duvall and Val Kilmer. And I mean, they were really well-known.
1:10:21 Amanda Dobbins? Catherine O'Hara.
1:10:22 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, Catherine O'Hara, actors and actresses with really big careers, decades-long careers. People who won Academy Awards who didn't get some of that time. So, yeah, I, I just thought it was nicely done and really good on the Academy for carving out more time for it. Musical performances, speaking of bad singing.
1:10:39 Amanda Dobbins? Sure.
1:10:40 Sean Fennessey? So I lied to you.
1:10:41 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
1:10:42 Sean Fennessey? Which came before Golden and effectively recreated the scene.
1:10:47 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
1:10:48 Sean Fennessey? From Sinners, in which Miles Katon sings and we travel through past and future of musical styles across multiple diasporas. Kind of like, shockingly well-done.
1:11:02 Amanda Dobbins? I, I was amazed that they even tried to do it. And they're even trying, they were trying to replicate some of the camera work.
1:11:08 Sean Fennessey? That's what I'm saying.
1:11:09 Amanda Dobbins? And, you know, and they added in some performances. It kind of crescendoed to Misty Copeland performing ballet. Front and center, but I mean, Misty Copeland's a legend, so why not? If you can get her. And every, people coming down the aisles of the theater. And I had the same reaction of like, oh, they're trying to recreate this out of context? A scene that seemed to jar so many people in the, in the situation of the film. And then it just kind of worked.
1:11:38 Sean Fennessey? It worked, yeah.
1:11:39 Amanda Dobbins? And I think, you know, in some ways distills what that scene is trying to do in, in the movie for a larger audience.
1:11:48 Amanda Dobbins? But yeah, it was cool. I, I was also, I mean, I assume Ryan Coogler didn't actually like direct that performance. So kind of the balls on whoever to be like, no, no, no, we got this and we can adapt it to the stage.
1:11:59 Sean Fennessey? I thought it was really impressive and I thought it was, it was not just, you know, first of all, Miles Katon, who can, his, his voice is just unbelievable and, and live, he crushed it. But incorporating Jamie Lawson and Lee Jun Lee and actors and Jack O'Connell and Lola Kirk having a, you know, like the fact that. It felt like they were actually celebrating the movie. It wasn't like a tribute to a movie featuring dancers who are not related to the movie. Like, the Oscars has been guilty of that many times in the past. And this was like, no, these people who made this are remaking this before your eyes. Like, it is live theater.
1:12:30 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:12:30 Sean Fennessey? And that is really cool. Again, something that, a lot of really good decisions like this throughout the show that were impressive. The Golden Performance, I thought, was a little stiff. I didn't think it was as impressive, either visually or sonically.
1:12:42 Amanda Dobbins? First of all, we had to wait too long for it. It was curtailed. You know, they didn't, they didn't sing the whole song. And, um, the, I, here's what I'll say. EJ hit the note live. And I was a little, I was nervous, why, you know, and it's probably because I've seen K-pop Demon Hunter so many times. So I have the, the "ah" from the plot in my head.
1:13:03 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
1:13:04 Amanda Dobbins? But she can hit it live. But they had adjusted the mix just in case she couldn't. So you could barely hear it, uh, which I, I thought was a shame. And, yeah, they looked a little nervous. It also started with, there were some demons for a second or two on stage before they got to the performances, if they were trying to recreate the movie.
1:13:25 Sean Fennessey? How would you fare against a demon?
1:13:29 Amanda Dobbins? You mean a K-pop Demon Hunter demon?
1:13:31 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Well, I mean.
1:13:32 Amanda Dobbins? I, oh, I think I.
1:13:34 Sean Fennessey? What's one demon versus another?
1:13:35 Amanda Dobbins? Those, they're pretty clueless, those demons, right? There is like watering plants with coffee. They don't really know where they are.
1:13:42 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, that's feminism. Nice.
1:13:43 Amanda Dobbins? And I just don't, I, I would be fine with it. I would just say, no, thank you. Um, you know?
1:13:49 Sean Fennessey? Not sure how that, that's how that works.
1:13:50 Amanda Dobbins? I just like, I would handle it, like they would.
1:13:52 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:13:52 Amanda Dobbins? You know?
1:13:53 Sean Fennessey? What's your, what's your weapon of choice?
1:13:55 Amanda Dobbins? Done, done, done, right? And then go, that's Knox's favorite, so I, you know, I know it is.
1:13:59 Sean Fennessey? What would be your weapon of choice?
1:14:01 Amanda Dobbins? Um, I don't know.
1:14:03 Sean Fennessey? The blade? The blaster?
1:14:06 Amanda Dobbins? Hmm, no, no blaster, no guns, blade, I guess.
1:14:08 Sean Fennessey? Okay, and the blade?
1:14:09 Amanda Dobbins? Or just the power of my hands.
1:14:10 Sean Fennessey? What about the bow? Or the scythe?
1:14:13 Amanda Dobbins? No, this, the, the bow, I don't really have that much.
1:14:15 Sean Fennessey? No, I meant the bow, like the staff.
1:14:17 Amanda Dobbins? No, I don't, I don't like gear, you know, in life. No, I really don't.
1:14:22 Sean Fennessey? Have you ever been rock climbing?
1:14:23 Amanda Dobbins? I have, because it was required in my elementary school. It's a long story.
1:14:27 Sean Fennessey? Did you also go to rock climbing camp?
1:14:30 Amanda Dobbins? No, but we went on like rock climbing trips and you had to like repel to learn trust. You asked me anyway. I don't, we've been going for maybe almost 90 minutes, uh, which is still shorter than it took you to tie that bow tie.
1:14:45 Sean Fennessey? But let's talk about the bow tie.
1:14:46 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:14:47 Sean Fennessey? Looked at several tutorials.
1:14:49 Amanda Dobbins? So you were watching Instagrams.
1:14:52 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:14:52 Amanda Dobbins? You were looking at like WikiHow, um, you know, diagrams. What finally broke through for you?
1:14:58 Sean Fennessey? I was not paying attention closely enough to what I was supposed to be doing. And then it's on me. It all worked out. It miraculously happened.
1:15:06 Amanda Dobbins? You were trying to do it like.
1:15:07 Sean Fennessey? But I was trying to pay attention to the Oscars.
1:15:09 Amanda Dobbins? I know.
1:15:09 Sean Fennessey? That was the problem.
1:15:09 Amanda Dobbins? In front of the thing. So you were just sitting there for a full hour.
1:15:12 Sean Fennessey? An hour.
1:15:12 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:15:13 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. But pretty pathetic.
1:15:15 Amanda Dobbins? Do you think it cut down on your tweeting?
1:15:18 Sean Fennessey? That's a good question. There probably is some correlation.
1:15:20 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. So that's positive for all of us.
1:15:22 Sean Fennessey? Slow down in social media output.
1:15:25 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:15:25 Sean Fennessey? Which is probably for the best, right?
1:15:29 Sean Fennessey? One Epstein joke. Right?
1:15:31 Amanda Dobbins? Right? Yeah.
1:15:31 Sean Fennessey? In England, we arrest our pedophiles.
1:15:34 Amanda Dobbins? In England, they arrest their pedophiles. Yes.
1:15:37 Sean Fennessey? That was pretty much it, right?
1:15:38 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:15:38 Sean Fennessey? Did you think there should have been more?
1:15:40 Amanda Dobbins? I'm good. Can we do bridesmaids?
1:15:43 Sean Fennessey? Let's talk about bridesmaids.
1:15:46 Amanda Dobbins? I was just giggling the whole time.
1:15:47 Sean Fennessey? You know, we were talking about on the pre show and I was like, okay, they do this. They have reunions of casts and they put like a middling anniversary against it. And then Melissa McCarthy, Rose Byrne, Kristen Wiig, Maya Rudolph and Ellie Kemper come out.
1:16:01 Amanda Dobbins? Right. Oh, this is, it's the 15th anniversary. 15 is a silly anniversary.
1:16:07 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. When I heard about it, I was like, this is kind of whatever. You know, obviously a big night for Maya Rudolph because her husband was nominated for and expected to win many Academy Awards.
1:16:15 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:16:17 Sean Fennessey? But you know, Bridesmaids is a, is still a beloved and memorable movie and it's probably the kind of movie that the Oscars should be celebrating. We're kind of in that zone where like whatever happened 15 to 20 years ago now is the pure nostalgia for younger people who are getting into watching the Oscars. And they were absolutely hilarious. It was easily the funniest moment of the night.
1:16:36 Amanda Dobbins? It was so funny. So they were each given quote unquote notes from the audience to read halfway through, right? As Ellie Kemner was starting to explain what the score had done.
1:16:48 Amanda Dobbins? And they were all weird notes from Stellan Skarsgård, you know, not actually, Elle Fanning, who was actually just Stellan Skarsgård again, Leonardo DiCaprio, who really, really played the bit with Rose Byrne perfectly, Benicio del Toro, and then sweet Jacoby Duke at the end. Really, really funny. Then they came back. And what were they talking about?
1:17:15 Sean Fennessey? Well, that was when Maya Rudolph.
1:17:18 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, sound for sound. They came back.
1:17:20 Sean Fennessey? She said, earlier today, when I was counting my money, I said to myself, what is sound? And Kristen Wiig had a follow up to that. That was just like, that's 10 years of SNL working together where they had a, they had a moment of chemistry.
1:17:33 Amanda Dobbins? It was really, really, very good. Congratulations to all of them.
1:17:38 Sean Fennessey? Big fan of Rides Me.
1:17:38 Amanda Dobbins? I do feel like every year, whatever, whatever the SNL present or former SNL cast members do to present, where I was just like, well, that was the best part of the night.
1:17:49 Sean Fennessey? This is why I never cash my wig check. Wig is nine out of 10 times is a part of the bit. Like she crushes at the Oscars anytime she's there.
1:17:56 Amanda Dobbins? That's great. Let's just not have her in The Martian. But that's okay. You know?
1:18:01 Sean Fennessey? Just settle down.
1:18:01 Amanda Dobbins? They canceled that show. They canceled her show that Wesley likes so much. Yeah, we'll never see it now.
1:18:06 Sean Fennessey? I've never seen the show. When did they cancel it?
1:18:09 Amanda Dobbins? They canceled it like two days after Wesley was here.
1:18:11 Sean Fennessey? Oh, no. Should I binge it tonight?
1:18:15 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, that's, we've got plenty of time. Yeah.
1:18:18 Sean Fennessey? Adrian Brody presented best actor and he had, there was a, he had a bit.
1:18:22 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:18:22 Sean Fennessey? A lot of stuff written down on a piece of paper.
1:18:24 Amanda Dobbins? Right. Their problem is that Conan like made his joke before he did his bit. So Conan took his bit from him, which is fine because Conan's bit was funnier. And then, I mean, at least we didn't really, at least he didn't give another speech, you know, after last year.
1:18:42 Sean Fennessey? Thank God.
1:18:43 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:18:45 Sean Fennessey? Okay, let's go into post-game reflections.
1:18:47 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:18:48 Sean Fennessey? On what this is.
1:18:48 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, 90 minutes in, yeah.
1:18:53 Sean Fennessey? Who is the next Paul Thomas Anderson? I don't mean who's the next filmmaker who's going to be as good as him or whatever. I mean, who's the next person in line? That has been nominated many times.
1:19:03 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:19:04 Sean Fennessey? Is widely beloved. But has never quite gotten over the line.
1:19:08 Amanda Dobbins? Okay. So probably in his generation-ish, could be a bit younger, but.
1:19:17 Sean Fennessey? You've got to remember that Paul Thomas Anderson hadn't won zero Academy Awards.
1:19:20 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:19:21 Sean Fennessey? You know, like Quentin Tarantino already has multiple Oscars for writing, for example. David Fincher, on the other hand, has zero Academy Awards.
1:19:28 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:19:29 Sean Fennessey? Well, that's an example.
1:19:29 Amanda Dobbins? Is it good, but you think, do I think that it's gonna happen for, I mean, Spike Lee, even though he does have an Oscar.
1:19:36 Sean Fennessey? He has an Oscar. He has a writing Oscar and not a directing Oscar.
1:19:38 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, but you know what I mean? But so someone who's been totally blanked.
1:19:43 Sean Fennessey? Yes. Is there somebody out there right now? Because a lot of people who were kind of younger then, you know, no one already, he crossed the threshold.
1:19:50 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:19:51 Sean Fennessey? In terms of, you know, your beloved Sophia, she's already got one.
1:19:53 Amanda Dobbins? That's right. I mean, so Fincher, there you go, though I don't know about Cliff Booth being the one. You know, I think a lot about Noah Baumbach. Who doesn't have an Oscar.
1:20:04 Sean Fennessey? That's right.
1:20:05 Amanda Dobbins? Of any kind. Speaking of people in that marriage who don't have Oscars, Greta Gerwig, obviously younger, but has been at the table a lot.
1:20:12 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:20:13 Amanda Dobbins? Jordan Peele has been at the table.
1:20:15 Sean Fennessey? He has an original screenplay.
1:20:16 Amanda Dobbins? Has an original screenplay. That's right. Okay. Well. Those are my two for you.
1:20:22 Sean Fennessey? You know who doesn't have one? Ridley Scott.
1:20:27 Amanda Dobbins? Well.
1:20:27 Sean Fennessey? Ridley Scott. He has a film coming out this year, The Dog Stars.
1:20:32 Sean Fennessey? You guys aware of The Dog Stars? I'm looking forward to it. New Ridley movie. Love Ridley.
1:20:37 Amanda Dobbins? Listen, same.
1:20:38 Sean Fennessey? I'd like to, people were asking me about like bucket lists, right? After talking to Steven Spielberg.
1:20:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:20:43 Sean Fennessey? Which I don't know if I mentioned, but it's fucking dream of my life. What an amazing, what an amazing Friday I had.
1:20:50 Sean Fennessey? Never talked to Ridley, never met him, don't know him, nothing. And I think I'd really like to dig in and try to get him to come on, because you know, he does, he's prickly and direct.
1:20:59 Amanda Dobbins? Right, he's a man of few words, or only the words that he wants. I would enjoy it, I would like you talking to him.
1:21:05 Sean Fennessey? He's another filmmaker whose work I have studied closely. I really like his movies.
1:21:09 Amanda Dobbins? Are we counting Wes Anderson's shorts, Oscar?
1:21:12 Sean Fennessey? He has one.
1:21:12 Amanda Dobbins? But it doesn't count!
1:21:14 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, you know, he has one, right? That's what I'm saying, the Paul Thomas Anderson thing, I think when people look at this, and they're like, oh, and Battle's Overrated, or whatever, it's like, Paul had a real, and he even said, you make a guy work hard for one of these. He said that while he was holding one during his Best Director speech. He was, he'd been waiting a long time. For somebody who a lot of serious movie fans are like, that's my fave. There's not, it's not that common for that to happen, you know?
1:21:39 Sean Fennessey? You know, Lumet, Altman, Kubrick, these people didn't win Best Director.
1:21:43 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, Lynch.
1:21:44 Sean Fennessey? Hitchcock, Lynch, none of them won Best Director. That never happened for any of those people. Orson Welles, he never won Best Director. He shared a Best Original Screenplay Oscar with Herman Mankiewicz. They made a film about that, it's called Mank.
1:21:56 Amanda Dobbins? David Fincher did not win any Oscars for it.
1:21:58 Sean Fennessey? No. Yeah, I don't know.
1:22:01 Amanda Dobbins? Some real Mank strays on the Zodiac Rewatchables. Not from you.
1:22:05 Sean Fennessey? A film I like.
1:22:05 Amanda Dobbins? I like the film Filmmank as well.
1:22:07 Sean Fennessey? A film I like. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think that...
1:22:12 Amanda Dobbins? We gotta get Fincher an Oscar. But does he want it?
1:22:15 Sean Fennessey? I don't think he cares.
1:22:16 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:22:17 Sean Fennessey? He had two big...
1:22:17 Amanda Dobbins? That's why he's so cool.
1:22:18 Sean Fennessey? He had, he had three big competition years. Benjamin Button, Social Network, and Mank. And he didn't come close in any of those three. So, maybe he's just like, fuck it, I'm gonna make cool movies for a streaming service.
1:22:32 Amanda Dobbins? I look forward to seeing it.
1:22:34 Sean Fennessey? Any other, any other generational, emotional, closing thoughts here? As we wrap up this award season, which has been going on for very long?
1:22:43 Amanda Dobbins? It feels kinda warm and fuzzy. Am I wrong right now? This was a nice night.
1:22:49 Sean Fennessey? It was a nice night.
1:22:49 Amanda Dobbins? Should I, how long, like, how long before that turns? Am I wrong to trust that? Am I, am I wrong to, can we have a nice thing?
1:22:59 Sean Fennessey? We haven't been observing the discourse.
1:23:00 Amanda Dobbins? Can we have, can we have a nice thing?
1:23:02 Sean Fennessey? Will you look at the discourse?
1:23:04 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, I try not to, but, you know, then people serve me tweets of you saying stuff. And I'm like, oh, great. Now I gotta know about this.
1:23:12 Sean Fennessey? You say it like a man holds a silver tray before you, full of tweets. And you use tweezers to choose the one that you choose to consume.
1:23:20 Amanda Dobbins? It was like, ma'am, ma'am, once again, Sean is at it. He's tweeting about aliens and the Mets.
1:23:25 Sean Fennessey? Well, everything's coming up, aliens and the Mets.
1:23:28 Amanda Dobbins? That's coming?
1:23:28 Sean Fennessey? Pretty soon, two weeks, right?
1:23:31 Amanda Dobbins? Feeling good, up, down?
1:23:33 Sean Fennessey? Uh, yeah, I'll say it right here on Netflix.
1:23:36 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:23:37 Sean Fennessey? Um.
1:23:37 Amanda Dobbins? Well, Met Corner is on Netflix.
1:23:39 Sean Fennessey? I think that's, you're goddamn right it is. I think the Mets are going to the World Series.
1:23:43 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, Christ. Okay.
1:23:45 Sean Fennessey? I think they are. I think, I think Paul Thomas Anderson won Best Picture.
1:23:49 Amanda Dobbins? So what you've learned from the last 72 hours, when you talked to Steven Spielberg and your other hero won Best Picture and Best Director and Best Adapted Screenplay.
1:24:00 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:24:00 Amanda Dobbins? And the Beastie Boys kicked off, and your childhood heroes Conan and the Beastie Boys kicked off the Oscars, is that anything's possible, including the Mets going to the World Series.
1:24:11 Sean Fennessey? Not only that, but sometimes the good guys win. That's all I'm saying.
1:24:17 Sean Fennessey? And we can make the, if you will it, it is no dream.
1:24:20 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:24:21 Sean Fennessey? And that's the energy that I'm bringing to 2026. And if you're watching this show for the first time, this is how I always am. I'm always very positive and very enthusiastic about my work and my life.
1:24:32 Amanda Dobbins? And wearing a tuxedo.
1:24:35 Sean Fennessey? We will be talking more about the Oscar season and especially the telecast in a mailbag, in mailbag form. When are we gonna do it? Tuesday?
1:24:45 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
1:24:45 Sean Fennessey? So send your questions to what?
1:24:47 Amanda Dobbins? Big Pick Mailbag at gmail dot com. That's Big Pick Mailbag at gmail dot com. I want to emphasize, that's questions, not comments, not essays. We won't be reading them, but our producer, Jack Sanders, he's had a long weekend.
1:25:06 Sean Fennessey? Spare Jack.
1:25:07 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:25:07 Sean Fennessey? He's been working extremely hard.
1:25:08 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:25:09 Sean Fennessey? These last few days.
1:25:12 Sean Fennessey? You know, because I can't help myself, I'm gonna gin up some 2027 odds. Who do I think is gonna be in the race? That will be completely erroneous, you know, within a few months' time. But this is just how they made me. This is just how God made me, full of optimism.
1:25:28 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:25:28 Sean Fennessey? Enthusiasm, sincerity.
1:25:31 Amanda Dobbins? You know, I'm just, I'm happy for you. It worked out, just this once, for you. The guy in the tux wins the night, just this once.
1:25:39 Sean Fennessey? Incredible night for white guys. I mean, just unbelievable.
1:25:44 Sean Fennessey? Well, this was fun. This, this season was too long.
1:25:47 Amanda Dobbins? Way, way, way too long.
1:25:48 Sean Fennessey? We'll cut it shorter.
1:25:49 Amanda Dobbins? Oscars 2027 date, Googling.
1:25:52 Sean Fennessey? They have not announced it.
1:25:52 Amanda Dobbins? They haven't announced it. Okay, let's go, let's go. February 10th or whatever.
1:25:58 Sean Fennessey? That would be sick. That's definitely not gonna happen. Um, last question for you before we wrap up. Ratings, they were, I think, at 19.7 million last year, up a tick from previous years. And that was attributed to, I think, in part, largely in part Hulu finally streaming the show.
1:26:15 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:26:16 Sean Fennessey? And I think there were even some streaming snafus last year. I didn't get a sense of any streaming snafus this year for the show. Do you think they're up again, given the films that were nominated, given the outcomes that we just saw?
1:26:26 Amanda Dobbins? I think they're probably steady.
1:26:28 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:26:28 Amanda Dobbins? Because, yes, Sinners and K-Pop Demon Hunters and all these very beloved films were nominated, but also those moments didn't happen till much later in the show. And I think people probably gave up. I, you know, I just, I don't, I don't know. I don't think ratings are gonna go up. I think that we have to create a brave new world where we find, you know, where we go beyond linear audiences, you know? We reach people in other ways, like in, on Netflix or on our stupid little YouTube clips. So what, you know?
1:27:03 Sean Fennessey? Uh, no, that's wrong. They're gonna be up.
1:27:07 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:27:07 Sean Fennessey? They're gonna be up because this is a time of positivity. This is a time of greatness. People love the movies. Did you know that the box office is up significantly this year over last year?
1:27:18 Amanda Dobbins? Well, that's great.
1:27:22 Sean Fennessey? I feel, I feel renewed.
1:27:23 Amanda Dobbins? I think that's great. There, we could drill down on some numbers if you wanted to there, but it's fine. It's, I like that. I don't know. Is that, that's cumulative box office? That's not accounting for inflation? Or, yeah, but sure. I bet the numbers of people going to the movies, count that out for me.
1:27:40 Sean Fennessey? Well, you gotta call Jim Fandango to talk about that. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about.
1:27:45 Amanda Dobbins? Listen, movies are, movies are alive to the people who love them. And that is us. So, and that is the people who are still watching this weird podcast. So that is beautiful.
1:27:55 Sean Fennessey? Do you think Ted Sarandos, after the show, raced home so that he could watch us? Do you think he skipped all the parties so that he could watch us?
1:28:04 Amanda Dobbins? What if we are being projected live on a Netflix, like, uh, party, like, thing? You know what I mean? What if it's like, or if they have, you know? So he can both party and watch it.
1:28:16 Sean Fennessey? People so that he can hear us.
1:28:17 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, exactly. Well, I assume it's closed captioned, you know? So that people can do whatever they need to do.
1:28:21 Sean Fennessey? That's not our best friend, given some of the language used here today. What a, what a time. What a season. Yeah. What an amazing job by you. Thanks so much. You too. Congratulations. Doing my best. Thank you so much to Jack Sanders and thanks to everybody here at Spotify who helped us go live. Yeah, on a Sunday night. Thanks to the folks at Netflix for helping us go live. That's been wonderful. Thanks to Lucas Kavanaugh for his production support today and in these recent days. As I said, we will be back with a mailbag in just a couple of days. Email us at bigpickmailbag.com. We will answer your questions about the Oscars. We will see you then.
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