Pod Insights The Big Picture The 1989 Movie Draft About this episode We’re drafting again! Before diving into the draft, Sean, Amanda, and Chris react to two recent pieces of news with Disney reportedly turning down Steven Soderbergh’s ‘The Hunt for Ben Solo’ (1:05), and Taylor Sheridan leaving Paramount (9:25). Then, they discuss who they were in 1989 (17:33) and draft the best movies from that year (29:44).
Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins
Guest: Chris Ryan
Producer: Jack Sanders
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1:21 Sean Fennessey? I'm Sean Fennessey.
1:21 Amanda Dobbins? I'm Amanda Dobbins.
1:22 Sean Fennessey? And this is the Big Picture Conversation Show about 1989. Of course, we're podding today about the Taylor Swift album and Chris Ryan is here to do so. Are you excited?
1:30 Speaker 01 Are we out of the woods?
1:31 Sean Fennessey? Is that song on that album?
1:33 Amanda Dobbins? Have you listened to that album in full?
1:35 Sean Fennessey? I think so, yeah. I think just ambiently. I've been exposed to it.
1:40 Amanda Dobbins? No, I remember that, but you know, he was, he was well into his, like, I don't acknowledge Taylor Swift take at this point in the, in the journey.
1:48 Sean Fennessey? Well into it, absolutely.
1:49 Amanda Dobbins? So I just didn't know whether you circled back.
1:51 Sean Fennessey? Stock's been paying out hard this year.
1:53 Speaker 01 I was wondering if you catch that ticket yet.
1:55 Sean Fennessey? Sitting on a lot of dough off that Taylor Swift short sell. We're actually talking about 1989 movies this year. We're drafting again, which is very exciting, but you know, we're pre-recording this episode and there's been a lot of news over the last couple of weeks and we, the three of us haven't been together and had the opportunity to talk.
2:11 Speaker 01 The big three.
2:12 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
2:12 Sean Fennessey? The big three. Yeah, the big three. And we never talked about the hunt for Ben Solow. And I, there's two people, I couldn't find two people I would want to talk to more about this news.
2:23 Amanda Dobbins? Thank you so much, yeah.
2:25 Speaker 01 Sex lies in the solo.
2:27 Sean Fennessey? This was the news that Steven Soderbergh and Adam Driver came together to develop and pitch a movie about what happened to Ben Solo.
2:37 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
2:37 Sean Fennessey? After.
2:38 Speaker 03 He died.
2:39 Sean Fennessey? He died.
2:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
2:39 Sean Fennessey? In the last Star Wars film. And.
2:42 Amanda Dobbins? Well, that's not what the movie, that's not what the pitch was about.
2:44 Sean Fennessey? I think it was that he somehow survived.
2:46 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, it wasn't about like Ben Solo's journey through the afterworld, you know?
2:50 Sean Fennessey? That is also, what dreams may come, but Ben Solo, that would be a movie.
2:54 Speaker 03 No, it would be like the Nick Cave version of Gladiator 2.
2:57 Sean Fennessey? Oh, oh, wow.
2:58 Speaker 03 Maximus in hell.
2:59 Sean Fennessey? Solo goes to hell.
3:00 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
3:00 Sean Fennessey? That would also be really fun. Um, so Soderbergh and Driver, they get this pitch together. Obviously, very exciting, the idea of them working together again. They worked together on Logan Lucky. And it goes up the chain.
3:13 Speaker 03 And Scott Z. Burns like writes it.
3:14 Sean Fennessey? Yes, so Scott Z. Burns is in, he's of course worked with Soderbergh many times before, and Contagion especially. And they pitch it to Filoni and Kathy Kennedy, and they're like, sure.
3:25 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
3:25 Sean Fennessey? Maybe. And so they kick it up to Bob Iger's office. And Bob Iger looks them in the eyes and says, no, no chance. And then that's it.
3:35 Amanda Dobbins? But, and but why? What is his reasoning?
3:38 Sean Fennessey? What is his reasoning?
3:39 Amanda Dobbins? His reasoning is because Kylo, like Kylo Ren, whatever his other name is, I already forgot, is dead.
3:45 Speaker 03 Yes, somebody took the focus group note about you can't say somehow Palpatine has returned.
3:51 Amanda Dobbins? But that's, that was literally my, I was so ashamed of myself and also like, yes, and like, it's so angry at you and this world that my first reaction to this, I was like, but Palpatine was dead?
4:03 Sean Fennessey? Somehow.
4:04 Amanda Dobbins? And I was like, what are we doing?
4:05 Sean Fennessey? Ben Solo returned.
4:06 Speaker 03 I have to tell you something.
4:07 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
4:08 Speaker 03 If you ever decide.
4:09 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
4:10 Speaker 03 To pivot to being Star Wars mommy, you're fucking unstoppable. There's nothing he and I can do. If you're just like, you know what, guys?
4:18 Sean Fennessey? I'm going all the way in.
4:19 Speaker 03 Yeah, I've read the Book of Boba Fett.
4:21 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
4:22 Speaker 03 And I've become a believer. We're done. We're done. We can't stop.
4:25 Amanda Dobbins? It's true.
4:25 Sean Fennessey? That's, that's very true. So, sincerely.
4:28 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
4:29 Sean Fennessey? Would you want this movie?
4:31 Amanda Dobbins? Yes. I don't care. Sure. Like, do I want it more than many other That's, that's movies that, well, no, no, no, no.
4:39 Sean Fennessey? That's the, that's the, that's the take to me.
4:41 Amanda Dobbins? But you're, you're taking my take before I've said it and twisted it.
4:46 Sean Fennessey? What did I, how did I twist it?
4:47 Amanda Dobbins? We're, we're gonna talk about some other movies
4:50 Sean Fennessey? Uh huh.
4:50 Amanda Dobbins? that are being made, that are adapted from franchises that are supposed to be, you know, for large audiences. And I don't give a shit. I like, I don't even want to talk about Call of Duty. You know, like, I don't care. So let's not make that. If we're gonna make big budget movies, if we're gonna use people's time, if we have to chase the money, give it to me with Steven Soderbergh and Adam Driver.
5:12 Sean Fennessey? Well, that, that is, that's my take is that it's replacing, at least in theory, one to one, another Star Wars movie. So that you can only do so many Star Wars movies at a time, and there still has not been one. It's been six years since there's been a Star Wars movie?
5:25 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
5:25 Sean Fennessey? Which is just malpractice. I mean, it's just completely ludicrous that there have been ten Star Wars shows
5:30 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
5:30 Sean Fennessey? in six years?
5:31 Amanda Dobbins? Okay. Time out, time out. I mean, that, the two separate problems here because I've, I still remember the end of 2019. Yeah. We were in your guest room Yes. in Palm Springs before you arrived, the orange room in the back by the garage. Baptizing it. Yeah. Recording a podcast.
5:52 Sean Fennessey? Uh huh.
5:52 Amanda Dobbins? And you just absolutely, you had a classic Sean meltdown about Rise of Skywalker and how it's not good, which it was not.
6:00 Sean Fennessey? I had a really good pod performance, is what you meant to say.
6:03 Amanda Dobbins? And, and a lot of the complaints were like, we have too much Star Wars, we have too many movies. They've, you know, they don't have ideas. They've, you know, that, like, they've squeezed the orange too much or whatever. I don't know. What are you squeezing?
6:17 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
6:21 Amanda Dobbins? They squeezed the orange and, and, and it's done now. And
6:26 Sean Fennessey? That is, that wasn't my complaint, but sure.
6:28 Amanda Dobbins? You can't turn around.
6:29 Sean Fennessey? If you go back and listen to that episode, it was not, there were, are too many Star Wars movies. It was that, why did we bring back J.J. Abrams to make another Star Wars movie? And then commit all these sins in this Star Wars movie? Now, I- It was a good time to take a break.
6:42 Amanda Dobbins? Including, and we should all be honest, Palpatine is alive again.
6:45 Sean Fennessey? That was terrible.
6:46 Amanda Dobbins? We were all, even I.
6:48 Speaker 03 Apoplectic.
6:49 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I was like, wait, what?
6:50 Speaker 03 Look, if you say Steven Soderbergh is gonna direct it, I'm like, I'm gonna hear him out. I'm just gonna hear him out. Now, I will say, I can't, has it been reported when they pitched this?
6:58 Sean Fennessey? I don't know. It sounds like in the last 12 months, because there is that history of him in his culture diary, where he had like a 20 day stretch where he watched nine Star Wars movies.
7:10 Speaker 03 That's right.
7:11 Sean Fennessey? Including, I think, Empire and a New Hope, like, three times, because he was trying to get back to, you know, he watched Phantom Menace, and everybody was like, why the fuck did Steven Soderbergh just watch The Phantom Menace?
7:21 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
7:22 Speaker 03 Because I was gonna say, I can kind of see it from Bob Iger's perspective. Where he's just like, you know what? This ended so badly, and you know what? We've abandoned the center in this country. No, I can see it from his perspective, where he's just like, I'm done with this. I'm done with the Rey Kylo, it ended badly.
7:44 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
7:44 Speaker 03 Those movies reportedly cost way more than.
7:48 Amanda Dobbins? I was so mad. I was so mad about that.
7:50 Sean Fennessey? That they kissed?
7:51 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
7:52 Speaker 03 Because you don't want that. Star Wars, mom, look at all these listens you have.
7:56 Amanda Dobbins? But it really was. You're gonna, you know, roll out, like, oh, the new character that you're all supposed to care about is like a girl, and yay, like, you know, it was like CEO heaven, and then at the end, she just has to be like a love interest. No, come on, come on.
8:10 Sean Fennessey? I will say, when I was at Disneyland earlier this year, my daughter met a young woman who was portraying Rey.
8:17 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
8:17 Sean Fennessey? At Galaxy's Edge, and it's probably the happiest that Alice ever was in her entire life.
8:21 Amanda Dobbins? But so we don't need.
8:22 Sean Fennessey? There's a picture of it that it melts my heart.
8:24 Amanda Dobbins? That, I have seen the picture. You also sent us the moving version, which was very cute. So we have multiple records of it. It's wonderful.
8:31 Sean Fennessey? Rey is very, is in the Hall of Fame.
8:33 Amanda Dobbins? I'm not dissing Rey. I'm dissing that we are teaching Alice, at the end, it's not enough to conquer the world. You also have to, like, kiss and make up with the villain. Thumbs down, okay?
8:45 Sean Fennessey? Well.
8:45 Amanda Dobbins? You know?
8:46 Sean Fennessey? To me.
8:46 Amanda Dobbins? I want Alice to go thrive.
8:47 Sean Fennessey? More of an epic romance, you know? A story of longing over a trilogy.
8:52 Speaker 03 What I want is the Scott Burns script to leak. I don't know if it was completed, you know, or whatever, but that is.
8:59 Sean Fennessey? That would be cool.
8:59 Speaker 03 Please get that out there.
9:01 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. I think it's mostly because there have been so many TV shows is why I'm stamping my feet.
9:08 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, it was your choice to watch them.
9:10 Sean Fennessey? Well, I stopped. I mean, I stopped two or three years ago. I'm not, I'm just not really paying, I'm not engaged at all in that world right now.
9:17 Speaker 03 You didn't watch Andor even.
9:17 Sean Fennessey? I didn't, I still haven't even seen Andor season two.
9:19 Amanda Dobbins? I haven't caught up either. Zach watched Without Me.
9:21 Sean Fennessey? It's like, it's like something got unplugged in my body.
9:24 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
9:24 Sean Fennessey? You know what I mean? Like, I've just kind of lost a connection to something that was incredibly important to me for a very long time. And it's, I think it's in part because they just overloaded on that stuff.
9:33 Speaker 03 Do you plan on catching up before Mandalorian and Grogu comes out? Or are you just going to that kind of like?
9:38 Sean Fennessey? Do you think I have to?
9:40 Speaker 03 I don't.
9:40 Sean Fennessey? I mean, I do want to watch Andor. It's not that I don't want to watch it. It's more just that the idea of like, finding that focus time over a long period of time is just becoming increasingly harder in my life. But if it's not connected, it will probably delay the time in which I can get to it. And I'm sure most of what I see instead of watching Andor will be much worse than whatever Andor is.
9:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, no, I don't think you're like, I couldn't possibly waste my time on like TV.
10:02 Sean Fennessey? It's definitely not that. I'm, I'm watching The Chair Company.
10:05 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, sure. Yeah, no, I'm, listen, I haven't even finished Diplomat, then I gotta do Nobody Wants This.
10:11 Speaker 03 That I think you'll like is Down Cemetery Road.
10:14 Amanda Dobbins? I have literally no idea what that is.
10:15 Speaker 03 It's Emma Thompson and Ruth Wilson.
10:17 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, sick.
10:18 Speaker 03 Mystery in Oxford, Emma Thompson, it's a Mick Heron's other detective series.
10:23 Amanda Dobbins? Oh my gosh, this is so exciting. I'm learning about this in real time.
10:26 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, you'll fucking love this.
10:28 Amanda Dobbins? Well, I mean, we gotta, I mean, we gotta stop watching movies then, you know? Because like, it's really piling up for me.
10:33 Sean Fennessey? It is piling up for me as well.
10:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:36 Sean Fennessey? Speaking of writer, directors and returning to movies.
10:40 Amanda Dobbins? Chris Ryan is here.
10:41 Sean Fennessey? Well, Taylor Sheridan's been in the news over the last week.
10:44 Speaker 03 Commented on this.
10:45 Amanda Dobbins? And so you have as well.
10:48 Sean Fennessey? That's right. Well, everyone thought of you when this news broke. When Matt Bellamy broke this news, that Taylor Sheridan was leaving Paramount to sign an overall deal that starts, I think, I guess, next year on the film side at Peacock Universal and then in 2028 on the television side.
11:01 Speaker 03 Yes.
11:02 Sean Fennessey? So a fairly complex situation.
11:04 Speaker 03 And he also has a Warner Brothers film incoming with Brandon Slidar from 1923. It's called Fast.
11:11 Amanda Dobbins? Is that, was he also the other guy in the Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni?
11:16 Sean Fennessey? He was the other guy. He was also appeared earlier this year in Drop.
11:20 Amanda Dobbins? Sure.
11:21 Sean Fennessey? And he has a big role coming in The Housemaid.
11:23 Amanda Dobbins? That's right. Yeah. Yeah, they're really, they're pushing him.
11:26 Sean Fennessey? Yes, he's having a moment. He's kind of like the norm core Josh O'Connor. Where it's like, why are there five Josh O'Connor movies right now?
11:33 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
11:34 Sean Fennessey? So he's got this Warner Brothers movie. News broke this week as well that the movie that I guess kind of kicked some of this into disrepair was this Call of Duty film.
11:44 Speaker 03 Yes.
11:45 Sean Fennessey? That he's been writing and producing for Pete Berg at Paramount. And you said something on the watch that I completely agreed with, which is that Taylor Sheridan, screenwriter, is something I have always liked. And I think three out of his four movie scripts, I think are really good. And the fourth one he directed, and I don't think it's as good.
12:04 Speaker 03 For Those Who Wish Me Dead?
12:05 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
12:06 Speaker 03 Pretty good movie.
12:06 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, it was fine.
12:07 Sean Fennessey? It's okay.
12:07 Speaker 03 And also.
12:08 Amanda Dobbins? Listen.
12:08 Sean Fennessey? I think it's the least of the others.
12:11 Speaker 03 Well, I think it's.
12:12 Sean Fennessey? Hell or High Water, Sicario.
12:13 Speaker 03 It's better than Without Remorse.
12:14 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
12:16 Sean Fennessey? I forgot about Without. He wrote Without Remorse as well. Okay, well, that was.
12:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, that was bad. And he's credited as the screenwriter. Yeah.
12:21 Sean Fennessey? Interesting. That one wasn't very good either. But, you know, he makes a very muscular, masculine, throwbacky kind of film that usually has
12:29 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
12:30 Sean Fennessey? one interesting theme.
12:31 Amanda Dobbins? And yet when a woman is in it, you don't like it?
12:33 Sean Fennessey? No, I thought Elizabeth Olsen was terrific in Wind River. And Emily Blood was excellent in Sicario. He does, he has a pretty good relationship with female characters. He writes Lionel.
12:43 Speaker 03 For sure, yeah. If you've seen Ali Larder in Landman, you know that he really understands the totality of the emotional experience of the American woman.
12:53 Sean Fennessey? I feel like we've been hearing about a Call of Duty movie for 20 years.
12:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's like the new Halo, basically. Because remember Halo was going to be Peter Jackson, it was going to be all these different versions of it.
13:02 Sean Fennessey? Wasn't there a Spielberg version of Call of Duty Once Upon a Time?
13:05 Speaker 03 He got involved in that. I think also there was like, because there's been so many iterations of Call of Duty, and he may have been involved in the one that was the World War II one. I don't know.
13:12 Sean Fennessey? And you've been developing one about January 6th, which is, how's that going?
13:16 Speaker 03 Me and Aaron Sorkin are very happy with the results so far.
13:20 Sean Fennessey? Amanda, Call of Duty, have you played it?
13:22 Amanda Dobbins? I was like, was not listening. What's Call of Duty?
13:25 Sean Fennessey? It's a video game?
13:25 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, I know that, but like, what's happening? Oh, great. I love it. I love to hear about first-person.
13:30 Speaker 03 But you're not gonna hear me out, I'm not gonna tell you.
13:33 Sean Fennessey? It's a war game set in combat.
13:35 Amanda Dobbins? That's awesome. It's definitely what we need more of.
13:37 Sean Fennessey? Is it always in real-life events, set against real-life events?
13:40 Speaker 03 I think there's an Aliens one.
13:42 Sean Fennessey? There's an Aliens one.
13:43 Speaker 03 Oh, can I tell you something?
13:44 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
13:45 Speaker 03 Can I go off on a tangent? Do you mind?
13:46 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
13:47 Speaker 03 So, last year, I'm going to England, which I'm very excited about. And last year, I took my wife to a theater experience, an immersive theater experience that she really wanted to go to.
13:58 Sean Fennessey? Tell us more.
13:59 Speaker 03 That I can't remember the name of it now, but it was essentially like, you have to go into a teenage girl from the 1990s's bedroom and kind of solve a mystery, but like, PJ Harvey and Bjork is playing.
14:10 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, this does sound like Kate or two Phoebe.
14:13 Speaker 03 And I was like, I love you, let's do this.
14:15 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, that's really nice.
14:16 Speaker 03 And she was just like, that was so fun. And then I was like, guess what, Phoebe? The same theater group is doing a, you're on a stranded spaceship and aliens are coming for you, play? And she just blanked me. She was like, that sounds like something you could do with Andy? That sounds great. And I was just like, what the fuck? Anyway, I think there is a Call of Duty that has an alien
14:39 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
14:39 Speaker 03 Or so maybe a zombie plot.
14:40 Amanda Dobbins? I'm, I'm blanking all of you.
14:42 Speaker 03 Sanders, do you watch any, do you play any COD?
14:44 Speaker 04 Sanders, okay. I played it when I was like 13, but don't really remember a lot about it.
14:50 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. I mean, you turned out great.
14:52 Sean Fennessey? I've never played.
14:53 Amanda Dobbins? So it's okay.
14:53 Sean Fennessey? I still have not acquired my console. Or started playing my video games yet. I will do that. Maybe for Christmas. Maybe that will be my gift to myself.
15:01 Amanda Dobbins? No. You don't have time. You have to watch all the movies and then you have the TV.
15:05 Sean Fennessey? What if I double screen and/or while figuring out how to play Elden Ring?
15:10 Sean Fennessey? That would be pretty cool. Then I would really be, and then I can very clearly downshift into weed dad.
15:16 Speaker 03 What would you do if in five years, let's say five years, and I show up with an Xbox 8 for Knox?
15:22 Amanda Dobbins? I will not let you in the house.
15:23 Speaker 03 And then I'm like, every night, bro, you and me, headsets.
15:26 Amanda Dobbins? I like, and I would just throw it away.
15:28 Sean Fennessey? It's gonna be great because the, here's the way to do it. It's very simple.
15:31 Amanda Dobbins? No.
15:32 Sean Fennessey? It's not bringing it to the house. It's you invite Knox over to your house and you play it in front of him.
15:37 Speaker 03 Really? If he plays in my house?
15:38 Amanda Dobbins? It's just never in our house. Yeah.
15:40 Sean Fennessey? No, this, she doesn't understand. If, if he's exposed to it at your house.
15:43 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
15:43 Sean Fennessey? He's gonna start asking for it at his house.
15:45 Amanda Dobbins? Well, I'll be saying, and I will say, as I have said thus far, for three and a half years, we don't have that at our house.
15:52 Sean Fennessey? You're, you're making an even bigger mistake right now because you're letting us know that this is where you stand on this issue. And I will break you.
15:59 Amanda Dobbins? That's fine. Like Knox can move in with you. He can live in the garage.
16:04 Sean Fennessey? I'm not offering that.
16:05 Amanda Dobbins? And he can play video games 24/7, not in my house. And I like Knox with a zen. I think he'd be very helpful. Just walk up the stairs in the morning, "Good morning. How'd you sleep?" He's very, he loves.
16:18 Sean Fennessey? I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep brainstorming on this. You gotta start, you gotta start with like Super Smash Brothers, you know, something.
16:23 Amanda Dobbins? No.
16:24 Sean Fennessey? Very appealing to a young boy.
16:25 Speaker 03 She's not gonna let him have Tetris. Like, we have to do this on our own.
16:29 Sean Fennessey? Okay. We can build it. I'm not worried. I'm not worried.
16:31 Amanda Dobbins? I really thought Zach was with me until the, what was the name of that game we played? The game night?
16:37 Sean Fennessey? At my house?
16:38 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah, yeah, where you have to rank things and then Zach ranked video games number one.
16:44 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, was it worse to first?
16:45 Amanda Dobbins? Well, I guess you're sleeping on the street tonight.
16:47 Sean Fennessey? Well, he revealed that he did have a PS3 era.
16:50 Speaker 03 I got him into FIFA for a while.
16:52 Amanda Dobbins? And he got rid of it when we moved in together.
16:55 Sean Fennessey? It lives inside all men. I just want you to know that.
16:57 Amanda Dobbins? Anyway, I don't give a fuck about the Call of Duty movie.
16:59 Sean Fennessey? Okay, I, you know.
17:01 Speaker 03 Inside of every Taylor Sheridan show, there is a great movie. I'm convinced of this. I've thought about this recently and I thought about like how cool a Billy Bob Thornton Oil Man movie.
17:10 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
17:10 Speaker 03 Or a Nicole Kidman Zoe Saldana.
17:12 Amanda Dobbins? I've seen that. It's called a T-Mobile commercial, but anyway.
17:15 Speaker 03 But we're going to talk about a lot of movies from 1989 where like the setup is like, oh, it would just be a TV show now. And I mean, that's a very like kind of pat observation, but he, he kind of got marginalized by like the way the movies pivoted to there's only high concept, big picture stuff.
17:31 Sean Fennessey? It's, I mean, he leveraged it very effectively, but it would be also nice to see him do like a period western. Obviously, he's been making period westerns on Paramount, but he's not been able to make one as a film. Paramount Plus, yeah.
17:43 Speaker 03 I would also say.
17:44 Sean Fennessey? Plus, by the way.
17:44 Speaker 03 Reportedly, all the episodes that he does make cost as much as mid-budget films. So that was one of those sort of issues of Paramount reportedly.
17:53 Sean Fennessey? Interesting. Well, we wish him well. That guy, he has roughly $900 million, so I think he's gonna be all right.
17:57 Speaker 03 He owns, also owns a really nice big ranch in Texas.
18:00 Sean Fennessey? Have you been?
18:01 Speaker 03 I haven't.
18:01 Amanda Dobbins? What's it called again?
18:03 Speaker 03 The Four Sixes.
18:03 Amanda Dobbins? Is it open to the public?
18:05 Speaker 03 I wonder about that.
18:07 Amanda Dobbins? Is there like a restaurant, you know, near the gatehouse where it can visit?
18:10 Speaker 03 There's a Taylor Sheridan branded steakhouse, I'm pretty sure.
18:12 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah. Where are its locations?
18:14 Speaker 03 I'll let you do that.
18:16 Sean Fennessey? There should be a horror movie that's about a guy, AKA you, who stalks Taylor Sheridan to the ranch.
18:23 Speaker 03 That's probably what his Texas Chainsaw Massacre pitch was.
18:25 Sean Fennessey? Oh, that would be good. One of my many stans.
18:28 Amanda Dobbins? It appears that it's in the win. In Vegas, so.
18:33 Sean Fennessey? That's his, where his steakhouse is?
18:35 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, Four Sixes Ranch Steakhouse.
18:36 Sean Fennessey? Incredible field trip episode of this show.
18:38 Amanda Dobbins? I'm in. Let's go.
18:40 Speaker 03 Next CinemaCon?
18:41 Sean Fennessey? That sounds fantastic.
18:42 Speaker 03 Oh, my God.
18:43 Sean Fennessey? Okay, I'm into that.
18:44 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
18:44 Sean Fennessey? Okay, let's go to 1989. 1989. I was seven years old.
18:49 Amanda Dobbins? Mm hmm.
18:49 Sean Fennessey? I'm gonna start by talking about this.
18:51 Amanda Dobbins? Oh.
18:51 Sean Fennessey? I don't really remember seeing any of these movies in movie theaters. I feel like we do all these episodes about the early 90s. And even I remember doing 88 and thinking, did we do 88? I can't remember, 87 and thinking that I'd seen some movies. But I don't remember seeing any of these movies in theaters.
19:06 Speaker 03 This is a huge VHS year for me.
19:09 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
19:09 Speaker 03 And I would say that these, if you looked at just pure raw data.
19:13 Sean Fennessey? Mm hmm.
19:14 Speaker 03 I've seen Gleaming the Cube more than I've seen any movie that you would wanna put on your lighterbox.
19:19 Sean Fennessey? Because you would rent it from the video store?
19:21 Speaker 03 I would rent it and my mother would get furious at me because I would not return it. And a lot of movies here are 12-year-old Chris Staples.
19:31 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
19:31 Speaker 03 At the expense of watching like True Cinema. But obviously, like a lot of really great movies came out of this year and a lot of decade-topping movies and a lot of really definitive movies for me. But yeah, huge repeat rentals and not the kind of movies that you would go around trying to get dates at, videos with.
19:50 Amanda Dobbins? That's good. That's life before.
19:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:53 Amanda Dobbins? You know?
19:53 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:54 Amanda Dobbins? You had to do this for like cloud chasing. Yeah.
19:56 Speaker 03 Like cinephiles, you know? It's like, I just watch movies.
20:00 Sean Fennessey? What were you like at 12?
20:02 Speaker 03 Uh, this is 19, so I guess I was in sixth grade. Yeah. You know, bat mitzvah time, you know? I was slow dancing with girls.
20:10 Sean Fennessey? What was, what were the best themes at the bar and bat mitzvahs that you attended?
20:15 Speaker 03 You know, I don't really remember them having themes.
20:18 Sean Fennessey? Okay. No, like a landman theme?
20:19 Speaker 03 No. I mean, I used to try to dress up like Parker Lewis Can't Lose with the rayon shirt buttoned all the way up.
20:25 Sean Fennessey? I remember it well.
20:26 Speaker 03 And Bugle Boys and, and.
20:28 Amanda Dobbins? I bring it back, man.
20:29 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
20:29 Speaker 03 I know.
20:30 Sean Fennessey? Some like fake Ray-Bans with the green rims. Yeah.
20:32 Speaker 03 But yeah, this was, you know, just the middle school. So I was.
20:36 Amanda Dobbins? Okay. Where was the travel baseball career at this point?
20:39 Speaker 03 It was pretty good, but I'm trying to think of sixth grade, so I was 12. I think I was still like just doing Fairmount Sports Association out.
20:47 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
20:48 Speaker 03 Actually, maybe this was.
20:49 Amanda Dobbins? You hadn't been called up?
20:50 Speaker 03 No, this might have been travel baseball. This 13 was a big year. So 12, 13 was 8990 was my peak.
20:57 Sean Fennessey? What was your slash line at this year?
20:59 Speaker 03 Well, we didn't believe in advanced analytics. We believed in momentum. We believed in effort and grit, you know? But that won us the championship. So shout out to Parkway. Shout out to the Fairmount Sports Association.
21:08 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
21:10 Speaker 03 They still, our name still rings out.
21:12 Sean Fennessey? How many teams were in your league?
21:13 Speaker 03 You laugh. I have a jacket. I'll bring the jacket back.
21:16 Sean Fennessey? Does it still fit?
21:18 Amanda Dobbins? Can that work?
21:19 Speaker 03 Oh, you know, he probably, Si could probably wear. But yeah, yeah.
21:24 Sean Fennessey? Okay, you were, you were five?
21:26 Amanda Dobbins? I was Alice's age.
21:28 Sean Fennessey? You were four.
21:28 Amanda Dobbins? I was four turning five. Yeah, isn't that crazy?
21:31 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, okay. So what, what cognitive memories do you have from that period?
21:37 Amanda Dobbins? Nothing specific, but I have, and I don't know how many of the movies I was seeing in theaters. Cause I don't think that my parents were as evolved as you are. But.
21:51 Sean Fennessey? Thank you for saying that.
21:51 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, you're welcome. But I have memories. I have memories of a lot of these movies, like, and connecting with them at a young age. So this is gonna be half grown up Amanda tries to be a cinephile and half like I was there on the playground singing the song.
22:12 Sean Fennessey? I, I don't, I, I mean, I also was probably playing a lot of baseball at this time and probably deep into G.I. Joe this time. That seems like six turning seven, those were core interests for me.
22:23 Speaker 03 Did you have any older cousins or friends in the neighborhood who let you in on, on the, the secret scrolls of some of the exploitation movies or B movie, genre movies of the time?
22:35 Sean Fennessey? That's a very good question. I didn't, I'm the oldest boy on both sides of my family and.
22:42 Amanda Dobbins? The burden.
22:43 Sean Fennessey? I mean, it is in some ways. I fled to California in part because of that burden. I, I was certainly aware of Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th and Halloween. And one of the interesting things about this year is this is the only year in which all three of those franchises had a movie out.
23:01 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
23:02 Sean Fennessey? I went back and looked because I'm, I have a lot of free time apparently and.
23:06 Speaker 03 You can't watch Andor, but I can't watch Halloween Five.
23:09 Sean Fennessey? And when you're seven, it's kind of when you start to become aware of horror and that sort of thing. And, you know, this is also the year, I, I should, I should. I should change my opinion about whether I've seen a movie in theaters because I did see Ghostbusters 2 in movie theaters. And that's another movie, that's the real gateway to horror, where if you see that movie and you like that movie and you you grow an affection for Vigo the Carpathian, then you might get more interested in Freddy Krueger. But I didn't have anybody putting me on to that stuff. I think that was just literally doing what my kids, for my kid, for example, doesn't do, which is watch TV commercials.
23:38 Speaker 03 Sure.
23:39 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, my kids love TV commercials, but yeah.
23:41 Sean Fennessey? We don't really do that because of the what like how we watch TV. And so we like, I would just see the Dream Child commercial.
23:47 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
23:47 Sean Fennessey? And be like, what is going on with that? That is very exciting. And that's all, I think that's how I got interested in a lot of movies.
23:52 Speaker 03 Yeah. I mean, I think there is also, uh, because there were there are trailers at the beginning of the VHS tapes that you would rent, you would kind of like
23:59 Amanda Dobbins? That's right.
24:00 Speaker 03 You would sort of note for future reference that, you know, something looked illicit. And I honestly think that might be how I found out about some of the cooler movies of this year. Was like seeing a trailer at the beginning of the Do the Right Thing tape, you know, once it came out or whatever. And be like, wait, what's Mystery Train? What's this? Like, you know, so like kind of getting introduced to some of this stuff that way.
24:23 Sean Fennessey? What do you make of this year? Any like reflections on what it means? Like I mentioned the horror, those horror titles, and this is a pretty important pivoting time for horror. It's like kind of horror entering a real down period.
24:34 Speaker 03 Like End of Slasher, right?
24:35 Sean Fennessey? Um, it's End of Slasher, yeah, before we get to Scream in five or six years.
24:39 Amanda Dobbins? It, to me, this is obvious since it's like 1989 and the next year is 1990, but it is a real pivotal year, I think in a lot of part because of sex, lies and videotape. And this is like where the Sundance and like kind of ushering in 90s independent cinema, like literally with Soderbergh. This is also the year of Do the Right Thing, which, you know, famously does not get nominated for Best Picture. So a lot of new people coming in. This is the year of When Harry Met Sally and the like, starting the rom com. And you also have like,
25:11 Amanda Dobbins? Maybe not the last good Oliver Stone movie, but like it's a lot of the ends of certain types of things. Like Daniel Day winning for My Left Foot. It's an introduction of him, but also that's a pretty classical, like showy Oscar performance. So it's not a year we think of like a lot, or that I spend a lot of time thinking of as like a really pivotal film year. But a lot is changing.
25:36 Sean Fennessey? I think you're right. I think there's a good case for it being more important than even we talk about on the show. Having done all these drafts, the fact that it's taken over five years to get to this draft is kind of interesting, maybe just a mistake on my part.
25:47 Speaker 03 No, I mean, we're running out of years. I think also there's like a, I wonder, I wonder if we went back and looked at journalism about the movie industry at this time period, because obviously in the moment, people tend to be like, well, it's not the same as it was five years ago or 10 years ago. But it just seems like such a stable and healthy movie environment at that time, where you had a real baseline of like mid-tier dramas and rom-coms and drama, dramedies that Hollywood were churning out. And, you know, because you have this, I've been thinking about this a lot recently. I'm sure you guys have addressed this on the pod. I may have missed it, but like this kind of dialogue that's going on right now of like, who is an actual famous person versus who is an actual box office draw?
26:30 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
26:30 Speaker 03 I know that kind of came up with Josh O'Connor a little bit, but like.
26:33 Sean Fennessey? Well, Amanda was saying, even when we were talking about Chalamet, I think, I think you were very pointedly like, there are no movies, like no one can open a movie. There's not a single person now who guarantee is a movie opening. I would argue, not to draw this back to a boring conversation we've had five times, but one battle doing 185 or whatever is a real testimony to Leo oversees.
26:52 Speaker 03 Yes.
26:53 Sean Fennessey? Which is still something, but I mean, that was a person who was at the top of the heap for decades.
26:58 Amanda Dobbins? And he's the only one.
26:59 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
26:59 Amanda Dobbins? And then like, that's it.
27:00 Sean Fennessey? And this is the, this is, but this is an interesting challenge that. Because if you look at the top of the box office in this year.
27:08 Sean Fennessey? It isn't really fully defined by stars. The number one movie of this year is Batman. Also, pretty notable.
27:17 Amanda Dobbins? And starting a new generation of.
27:19 Sean Fennessey? And Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Obviously Harrison Ford is critical to the success of those movies, but still it's a third film in a franchise. Lethal Weapon 2.
27:28 Speaker 03 Another franchise.
27:29 Sean Fennessey? Mel was a huge star at that time, but it's a franchise. Look Who's Talking is a gimmick movie and becomes a franchise. Honey, I Shrunk the Kids, gimmick movie for kids, gonna be a franchise. Back to the Future 2, franchise, you know. This is, and this time, we've talked about this many times over the years in the rewatchables when we do 80s movies too. But there is a pivot point in the middle of this decade where this becomes more of the strategy.
27:53 Speaker 03 You can see the tide's shifting in the second half of the bottom 10 of the top 14 here or whatever is like, wow, we used to make things.
28:01 Sean Fennessey? Yes, movies for adults, pretty much.
28:03 Speaker 03 And they're, they're profitable and they're about divorce or about broken families or about missing your father or having diabetes and.
28:11 Sean Fennessey? This is the thing that we are literally saying when we say the middle.
28:14 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
28:14 Sean Fennessey? That these are the movies that make $80 million and they're profitable and they win awards and they're in the culture at large. They don't make $300 million like Batman, but they do really well. And this year is littered with them in addition to, I think, all of those sea changes you're talking about, just kind of in the movie business and the new voices that are coming through. So pretty exciting and pivotal year, absolutely like nightmare Academy Awards. One of the, one of the most nightmarish Academy Awards in movie history. And there's one cool win, there's two cool wins with Denzel winning for glory.
28:45 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
28:46 Sean Fennessey? And, and Daniel Day Lewis announcing himself as a critical figure, but the, and I guess Oliver Stone winning For Born on the Fourth of July is good.
28:54 Amanda Dobbins? Mind it, it's one of the good ones.
28:56 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, you could make the case for any of the other nominees in that category this year. You know, you had Woody Allen for Crimes and Misdemeanors, Peter Weir for Dead Poets Society, Kenneth Branagh for Henry V and Jim Sheridan for My Left Foot. But Driving Miss Daisy wins Best Picture.
29:09 Amanda Dobbins? Yep.
29:10 Sean Fennessey? I don't think it's gonna be drafted today.
29:11 Amanda Dobbins? No.
29:12 Speaker 03 No.
29:12 Sean Fennessey? I, have you seen it?
29:13 Speaker 03 I think I've seen it once.
29:15 Sean Fennessey? Have you seen it?
29:17 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know. I honestly maybe haven't. Now, I like, I've seen clips of it, but I think by the time I caught up to it, you know, even in the moment, we weren't old enough to really be paying attention, but it was understood to be an outrage of sorts.
29:32 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, it was definitely a movie that was for old people, too. Like, I remember my parents, I'll think, I think I'll be talking about my parents on this episode a little bit more. Yeah. But I remember my parents being very bored by this movie. And very, very surprised by the fact that Born on the Fourth of July, I've mentioned in the past, like, is about Ron Kovik, who lived on Long Island, who had a big, he was a very big figure in the community that I grew up in. And so there was a lot of warmth towards Born on the Fourth of July. And that's like an adult movie, Dead Poet's Society, another movie nominated for Best Picture that just like, everybody liked.
30:01 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
30:02 Sean Fennessey? You know, it was just kind of universally appreciated and enjoyed. So that's setting aside even the Do the Right Thing exclusion.
30:10 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
30:10 Sean Fennessey? Couple of other movies that we'll talk about that probably should have been here as well. But it's, it's, it's not, it's not a great. I also have some strong thoughts about Best Actress and Jessica Tandy that we will maybe get to in this conversation. You're gonna besmirch Jessica Tandy's legacy? No, she's a fine actress. She has multiple Tonys and a stage legend.
30:28 Amanda Dobbins? A lot of people that you want to sleep with in the rest of the category.
30:32 Sean Fennessey? Well, I mean, I would if they presented that option to me, but that's not, that wasn't that specifically.
30:40 Sean Fennessey? Okay, any other thoughts before we dig into our, our drafting?
30:43 Amanda Dobbins? I'm excited.
30:43 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
30:44 Amanda Dobbins? This was, you know, this was one where you said 1989, and I like, made a face at you. And then read through the list, and I didn't realize what a deep bench this was gonna be, so.
30:54 Sean Fennessey? It's a pretty cool one, so these are the categories we'll do before we do the draft order. It'll be drama, comedy, action, horror, thriller, Oscar nominee, sequel, blockbuster with a $75 million threshold, and wildcard. So we're back to seven categories, just the three of us.
31:10 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
31:11 Sean Fennessey? Feeling good?
31:11 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
31:12 Sean Fennessey? Okay, Jack Sanders, we need a draft order. All right, let's do it.
31:15 Amanda Dobbins? All right, Mr. Dungeons and Dragons.
31:16 Sean Fennessey? Here we go.
31:20 Sean Fennessey? We have the huge die going?
31:21 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
31:22 Sean Fennessey? Just such a good noise. Drafting first, Amanda Dobbins.
31:26 Amanda Dobbins? Wow. Okay.
31:33 Speaker 04 Drafting second, Chris Ryan. Drafting third, Sean.
31:39 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
31:39 Speaker 03 It's been a minute since we've drafted just the three of us.
31:44 Amanda Dobbins? I think so. At least a couple of months.
31:46 Sean Fennessey? PTA character draft. We did.
31:48 Speaker 03 Oh, right.
31:49 Sean Fennessey? Haven't had a year draft just thus in a while.
31:51 Speaker 03 Three of us, yeah. Okay.
31:52 Amanda Dobbins? So, there are a couple of obvious first picks. But if I've learned anything, it's that I need to take what I really want.
32:05 Speaker 03 I kind of actually think that this isn't true and that rarely do we like shark you.
32:09 Amanda Dobbins? Well, you might on, I don't know whether you would on this one, but I just like, I can't not have One Harry Met Sally. Like, I can't not have it. What?
32:19 Sean Fennessey? I think you're absolutely making the right choice and it also wounds me.
32:22 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
32:23 Sean Fennessey? Because it means that the top two picks are gonna be off the board.
32:26 Amanda Dobbins? Um, so, and I'm gonna take that on Blockbuster.
32:28 Speaker 03 Okay.
32:28 Sean Fennessey? Good pick. Yeah.
32:30 Amanda Dobbins? This is...
32:30 Sean Fennessey? I think this is absolutely the right move.
32:32 Amanda Dobbins? Thank you. Thank you so much. We're being very nice to each other today and I'm gonna roll with it.
32:37 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, okay. I'm heading into the second half of my life and these relationships are very important to me.
32:46 Amanda Dobbins? One Harry Met Sally is the best and most influential romantic comedy of my lifetime. And this in 1989 resets, it is the modern romantic comedy era. No disrespect to some of the greats of the 70s and 80s. But every movie starring Julia Roberts, Meg Ryan, Kate Hudson, who am I forgetting? Sandra Bullock, Reese Withersley, any of the movies in the 90s and 2000s that you or I loved owe a debt to One Harry Met Sally, which is far more sophisticated than any of those other movies. This also sets Nora Ephron off on her, she wrote this one and then starts her on her filmmaking.
33:29 Amanda Dobbins? What really establishes her filmmaking career. I'm still a fan of Heartburn, which she wrote before this. But this is, this is like, she's certified.
33:36 Speaker 03 Did she have another movie this year? Oh, she wrote A Cookie, right?
33:39 Sean Fennessey? She did, yeah.
33:41 Amanda Dobbins? So, um, it's, you know, obviously like hugely well-known, hugely quotable. I love it. Controversially, I picked, or controversially to other people, I picked You've Got Mail in the New York City Draft rather than When Harry Met Sally, because I was operating under the confines of, it was a New York draft. And for whatever reason, I watched that You've Got Mail growing up more than I did When Harry Met Sally. But, uh, it's, it is, it is one of the great movies.
34:11 Speaker 03 I would say that 1989 produced more iconic scenes and memorable movie moments than almost any other in my lifetime. Like, you still see-
34:26 Sean Fennessey? Classic unverifiable podcast take.
34:28 Speaker 03 I can't, but I can't, I can't verify it, but I would, I would almost, in my mind, I'm like, there are so many scenes from, uh, moments from movies of this year where you would see it in a historical Oscar montage.
34:39 Sean Fennessey? Right.
34:40 Speaker 03 You know, and like, the, obviously the deli ordering scene.
34:43 Amanda Dobbins? I'll have what she's having, yeah.
34:45 Speaker 03 But yeah, uh, great pick.
34:48 Amanda Dobbins? Sharper image for me.
34:50 Sean Fennessey? I, I think it's the best of that, this kind of film, When Harry Met Sally.
34:55 Amanda Dobbins? I, I think that you're right. There's best and there's favorite, and it is, it is the best. It's, it's the pinnacle.
35:01 Sean Fennessey? Okay, your second pick, Chris.
35:03 Speaker 03 I'm gonna go with Do the Right Thing.
35:05 Sean Fennessey? Which category?
35:06 Speaker 03 I am going to take it-
35:09 Amanda Dobbins? Delete?
35:10 Speaker 03 In drama.
35:14 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
35:16 Speaker 03 Tracy Letts recently called this the best movie of the 80s in his Criterion Closet video. I tend to agree. I rewatched it, some of it last night.
35:24 Amanda Dobbins? It just, I was a great video. I've told him this personally, but that just, good job, Tracy.
35:30 Sean Fennessey? He, he told me that there were quite a few of his picks were left on the cutting room floor, and he was frustrated about that.
35:37 Sean Fennessey? But he did share those picks with me.
35:40 Speaker 03 Can't overstate the lightning bolt effect this movie had on my life, along with the explosion of rap music at this time period. It was honestly one of the pivotal moments of my cultural experience. Public Enemy and Spike Lee and all these things happening at once really did feel like a like historically relevant moment that we were living through. And this movie still brims with so much life and so much energy, so much inventiveness. A quintessential New York movie, incredible ensemble of performances. And just, I think should be honestly like a first 10 top movies that you need to see before you die. Like, if you haven't seen the right thing, you should.
36:24 Amanda Dobbins? A thousand percent.
36:25 Speaker 03 Hit pause and go watch it.
36:27 Sean Fennessey? I do think I said something to that effect. Wesley and I did a rewatchables years ago now.
36:31 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:32 Sean Fennessey? Like maybe seven years ago about the movie, but one of my favorite episodes of that show that we've ever done. And yeah, it had the same effect on me. I didn't see it till I was older. There would be no reason to see it until you were more like giving yourself a film education as a teenager.
36:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:47 Sean Fennessey? But.
36:47 Speaker 03 I still remember like, you know, in my head, it will always bangs around is the Chuck D 1989, Another Summer. And you're just like, oh my God, it really feels like we're living through something.
36:56 Sean Fennessey? Yes. And defines this. Can that needle drop open this episode?
37:01 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
37:01 Sean Fennessey? Or are we not allowed to?
37:01 Amanda Dobbins? They always say, no.
37:03 Sean Fennessey? Is that fair use?
37:03 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, because we couldn't get Ganga Four from Marie Antoinette.
37:05 Sean Fennessey? Oh, wow. We just can't even fair use these beautiful sounds anymore.
37:08 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
37:10 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, gosh, I do love that movie.
37:11 Speaker 03 So you're mad, though?
37:13 Sean Fennessey? No.
37:13 Speaker 03 Those have been your top two?
37:14 Amanda Dobbins? But you think we did okay?
37:15 Sean Fennessey? Those were my one and two picks. I think those are the, because they fit a number of categories. They define the year in some ways. They're both wonderful. They're both like very easy to return to. You know.
37:26 Amanda Dobbins? They're up there in this montage.
37:27 Sean Fennessey? They're on the board, you know, when Jack selected which films to spotlight behind us. Those are the ones he chose. So yeah, I mean, there's a ton of great movies left and there's a ton of strategic picks to make. It does leave me in the unfortunate position of then like, I feel like going very male bro-y, which a lot of my drafts have just been really male bro-y lately. And I wanted to say something. I don't really see myself that way. And I think I have like painted myself into a corner on this podcast as being like that. And I regret that.
37:59 Speaker 03 So now Star Wars mommy.
38:01 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
38:02 Speaker 03 And super ally.
38:04 Speaker 03 I didn't say that.
38:06 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
38:07 Speaker 03 It's a brave world, I'm excited. She's got fucking Leia buns. And you're like, you know what?
38:15 Sean Fennessey? Oh, okay. I, I think the right strategic move is maybe not exactly the one that I want to make, but I'm.
38:23 Speaker 03 You have two picks here, so you can have one for us, one for them, huh?
38:27 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, okay. In Blockbuster, I'm going to take Batman. I don't love a lot of the blockbusters here, and I do love Batman, another movie that has been featured on the rewatchables.
38:36 Amanda Dobbins? Delete.
38:37 Sean Fennessey? Tim Burton's really brave recontextualization of Batman, reimagining of what Batman is, casting Michael Keaton. Like, it is, that movie, you can go back and look at what Batman was and the way that he made that movie a little bit more strange, more Gothic, more unusual than expected, you know, enlisting Prince to do the soundtrack, pretty bold move.
38:58 Speaker 03 Keaton's, is that your favorite Batman?
39:01 Sean Fennessey? Pretty easily. You know, I was always very like, I feel, I felt Bale was good. I really had like nothing negative to say about Bale, but I think it's just age, too.
39:12 Speaker 03 It's your first guy.
39:13 Sean Fennessey? If I see Batman, when we rented that movie from Blockbuster, and he's Batman to me at seven years old.
39:18 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
39:19 Sean Fennessey? That's kind of life changing. That's definitional, so I love Batman.
39:22 Amanda Dobbins? Forever. I mean, this was just in life, you know? I like, I also really like Bale, and once again, I think Robert Pattinson is very tall in the suit, so.
39:30 Sean Fennessey? A few more movies and he could be rising up the power rankings if they ever make those films.
39:33 Speaker 03 I'm an Affleck guy, so.
39:35 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, well.
39:36 Sean Fennessey? Now, I, I do wish we could have seen the Affleck-directed Batman.
39:41 Amanda Dobbins? Well, sure.
39:42 Sean Fennessey? That would have been.
39:43 Amanda Dobbins? Of course.
39:43 Sean Fennessey? That would have, that could have challenged something, because he, he looks the part, he's got that kind of like graying billionaire energy that you would want from that character. I don't know, anyway.
39:54 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, that would be the most fascinating celebrity document. To me personally, in, you know, in the past thirty years.
40:01 Sean Fennessey? What do you think he would reveal about his own personal psychology?
40:04 Amanda Dobbins? You know?
40:05 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Do you feel that he goes into a cave and puts on a mask when he acts in the world?
40:11 Amanda Dobbins? Sure. Or when he goes out, you know, to pick up his FedEx and his Chick-fil-A and his Dunkin' Donuts.
40:16 Sean Fennessey? Did you know we're roughly two and a half months away from The Rip appearing?
40:21 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, I did.
40:21 Sean Fennessey? On Netflix, the new Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, is it a drug heist movie?
40:26 Speaker 03 It is about cops who rip off drug dealers in Miami. It's such a really fertile story for popular culture right now.
40:32 Sean Fennessey? Hard to believe you believe that.
40:35 Amanda Dobbins? Task?
40:36 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
40:36 Speaker 03 This?
40:37 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
40:37 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, is that what Task is about?
40:39 Speaker 03 Task?
40:39 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I didn't watch it. I'm sorry.
40:41 Speaker 03 It's in the first episode.
40:42 Amanda Dobbins? I know, I didn't want to know because you guys started without me and then, listen, like I said.
40:46 Speaker 03 Who's you guys started without me?
40:48 Amanda Dobbins? The Watch, for one. I felt, I did finally feel excluded by The Watch, but at the end of The Task.
40:55 Speaker 03 I'm sorry.
40:56 Amanda Dobbins? But it's fine. We're back.
40:57 Speaker 03 Yeah.
40:58 Amanda Dobbins? You know, I have listened to all the Sheridan stuff, but yeah, it's, it just got away from me so fast. I'm really behind on TV.
41:04 Speaker 03 And it's what happens with TV is it's just like you blink and three episodes are up.
41:08 Amanda Dobbins? And then I asked Zach what it was about and he told me and I didn't hold on to the information, so.
41:14 Sean Fennessey? I changed my mind.
41:15 Speaker 03 No, really?
41:16 Sean Fennessey? I'm not, I'm not taking it in blockbuster.
41:19 Speaker 03 Okay.
41:19 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
41:20 Sean Fennessey? I'm, I'm taking it in thriller, action, horror.
41:22 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
41:22 Speaker 03 Batman?
41:23 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
41:23 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
41:24 Speaker 03 Okay.
41:24 Sean Fennessey? Do you believe it belongs there?
41:25 Amanda Dobbins? I deleted it from that category, so yes.
41:28 Sean Fennessey? It's an action movie?
41:28 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, it is.
41:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
41:30 Sean Fennessey? I also was thinking, where does science fiction fit? When we say that, does that fit in there?
41:34 Speaker 03 I, I, I use that as a blanket genre non-comedy thing.
41:38 Sean Fennessey? Gotcha. Okay. So I'll take that there, just because there's a dearth of titles.
41:43 Speaker 03 That's Batman.
41:43 Sean Fennessey? That's Batman.
41:44 Speaker 03 In action thriller.
41:45 Amanda Dobbins? Kyle Chandler is in The Rip? Damn, I'm excited.
41:48 Sean Fennessey? I'm pretty, I'm pretty pumped.
41:49 Speaker 03 Me too. The trailer was awesome.
41:51 Amanda Dobbins? This has like, um, triple frontier, you know, energy going around it in a big way and I'm ready for it.
41:58 Sean Fennessey? But we're qualified streaming movie.
41:59 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, we can, we can share Twix again.
42:01 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
42:02 Amanda Dobbins? That's, yeah, there we go. See?
42:04 Sean Fennessey? You guys can share Twix any day. If you just go to the store and buy some Twix. Okay, so now.
42:14 Speaker 03 I'm on pins and needles.
42:15 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
42:16 Sean Fennessey? In sequel, I'll be taking Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
42:18 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, my god. You don't even like the Holy Grail. You don't believe in it.
42:24 Sean Fennessey? I don't believe in it because it's not real, because I've done my research.
42:27 Speaker 03 The cup of Christ?
42:28 Sean Fennessey? It's not real.
42:29 Amanda Dobbins? God fucking damn it.
42:30 Sean Fennessey? It's an imagined idea that was invented to stoke mythology amongst believers. That being said, wonderful movie.
42:38 Speaker 03 If you walked into the chamber and the knight was there, the crusade knight was there.
42:41 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
42:42 Speaker 03 And he was like, look at all these cups. Do you think deep down inside you would pick the cup of a carpenter? Or would you pick a bejeweled, kind of like King of Kings thing?
42:50 Sean Fennessey? Let's, let's refashion this, this question. I walk in, the knight's there and he's got all the four case. And he's like, which, which, which one do you want?
42:59 Speaker 03 Which one would you take?
43:00 Sean Fennessey? What's your question? What's like, what do you, what do you really want to have? I don't know.
43:05 Speaker 03 And it's Tracy Letts and he's like, I have all of these discs.
43:10 Sean Fennessey? Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, obviously magical.
43:12 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
43:12 Sean Fennessey? Sequels, a tough category. There's some, there's some good ones. But nothing like this one. This is, in my opinion, the best sequel from this time. And I don't know, if you guys are going to take the two best movies, I at least got to make a
43:24 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, that's fine.
43:25 Sean Fennessey? A smart move.
43:25 Speaker 03 You did a good job.
43:26 Amanda Dobbins? But I'm, sequels is tough for me because, like I said, I was four when this came out. So I wasn't, I had not seen the originals of many of these movies. And so I didn't like go out and seek the sequels when I turned like nine or 10 or whatever. So I, it's, it's thin for me.
43:45 Sean Fennessey? Well, that's why it's called the draft and not Amanda gets what she wants.
43:48 Amanda Dobbins? I feel, we were doing really well. And I was even trying to like be measured about the fact that you took this, even though you have just a tremendous amount of bad historical takes about this movie. You're always like, it's not as good. It's like Temple of Doom and it's definitely not the best one.
44:05 Sean Fennessey? I never said that. I never said that.
44:07 Amanda Dobbins? I don't believe in the Grail and I don't like any stories about it. And then you won't respect, you know, the
44:13 Sean Fennessey? Don't put in the newspaper that she's mad.
44:15 Amanda Dobbins? I am, I'm like a little mad and I was trying to be okay, but you don't, you don't have to snape at me about my emotions. Okay?
44:22 Sean Fennessey? Fair enough.
44:23 Amanda Dobbins? There we go.
44:23 Speaker 03 Oh, this is also Indiana Jones, Big Venice movie. Last Crusade is.
44:27 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, really?
44:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:28 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. Oh, yeah. You're right. Of course.
44:29 Speaker 03 The catacombs.
44:30 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
44:30 Amanda Dobbins? Because everything is, it's very old there and sinking into the ground.
44:34 Speaker 03 In, oh, go ahead.
44:35 Sean Fennessey? You know what you want to do?
44:36 Speaker 03 Yeah. In Oscar, I'm gonna take Field of Dreams.
44:40 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
44:40 Speaker 03 Not made for Best Picture. I gotta tell you, man, this is a perfect movie.
44:44 Amanda Dobbins? I rewatched the People Will Come scene this morning and started crying. And, um, okay. Good movies. It's going, it's going quickly now.
44:54 Sean Fennessey? Back in the news because of Amy Madigan, I find.
44:57 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
44:57 Speaker 03 It is back in the news and I, I was rewatching it, uh, like late this summer. And it, I remember watching my parents watching it and crying and not knowing why. And then watching it now and crying and be like, oh, I get it. And, uh, you know, Phil Alden Robinson, who also did Sneakers and it's based on the W.P. Kinsella novel, Kevin Costner, um, in one of his iconic roles and honestly, probably iconic looks, you know, the button down tucked into the jeans standing in a cornfield.
45:30 Amanda Dobbins? Unbelievably hot. Also, just the, the T-shirt that he's wearing when he's walking through the cornfields. And it's, and they're like, if you build it, they will come, no whispers. It's, it's, it's powerful.
45:41 Speaker 03 But I was actually really struck by the, um, depth of the cast. Uh, it was the last time I watched it, cause I'd forgotten, like Frank Whaley plays young Doc, obviously Burt Lancaster, Ray Liotta, and a kind of almost like movie star matinee role as Schillers Joe. And James Earl Jones is phenomenal in this movie. Gabby Hoffman is the daughter. Timothy Busfield is the annoying brother in law.
46:02 Sean Fennessey? Terrible character, but yeah, we'll allow it. Classic, like old school, bad movie character. Where you're just like, why is this, why won't this guy just like stop annoying everybody about this? Like this is not, what does he want to do? Like buy the cornfields? Just sell the farm.
46:12 Speaker 03 He's like, you, you're basically, you're underwater with your mortgage. You gotta sell the farm. I'm trying to protect my sister, but also probably get a little, wet my beak a little bit. Uh, I think maybe the best last 10 minutes in, in like a movie history, including the last shot, the pullout as people are driving up.
46:28 Sean Fennessey? It is historically a, a movie that when that sequence begins, it's like you, if you are touched, you turn into a puddle. Like it is very, very deep.
46:35 Speaker 03 And the Phillies are playing the Field of Dreams game next summer.
46:38 Sean Fennessey? Cool. Who are they playing?
46:40 Speaker 03 Uh, I think Cubs.
46:41 Sean Fennessey? Oh, that's, that's nice.
46:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, that's fun.
46:43 Sean Fennessey? Two historic franchises.
46:44 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
46:45 Sean Fennessey? Mired in.
46:47 Speaker 03 Yes.
46:48 Sean Fennessey? Success?
46:48 Speaker 03 Yes.
46:49 Sean Fennessey? Mired in success.
46:50 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, mired in success.
46:53 Sean Fennessey? Amanda.
46:54 Amanda Dobbins? Uh, I wanted that one.
46:56 Sean Fennessey? You have two selections.
46:56 Amanda Dobbins? I wanted Last Crusade.
46:57 Sean Fennessey? You've got a lot of stuff. You're good. You've got tons of stuff.
46:59 Amanda Dobbins? No, I have a lot of stuff, but some of the category things are tricky for me. And I, I'll be totally honest, in addition to not having seen that many sequels, I only became aware of the sequels category at nine forty-eight last night. So, you know.
47:12 Sean Fennessey? It was all there. Yeah.
47:13 Amanda Dobbins? I, I, there, I have no one to blame but myself. But this is a culture of honesty and transparency.
47:20 Sean Fennessey? That's right.
47:20 Amanda Dobbins? So, that's just where we are.
47:22 Sean Fennessey? It's also a culture of accountability here on this show.
47:24 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
47:25 Sean Fennessey? That when we select When Harry Met Sally, there are consequences.
47:31 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, I said I was the same age as Alice in nineteen eighty-nine, not that I am.
47:36 Amanda Dobbins? Okay. Um, all right, I was just bitching about sequels, but I'm not even gonna do that category. An action horror thriller.
47:45 Sean Fennessey? Here we go.
47:47 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, I.
47:48 Sean Fennessey? Shocker.
47:49 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, it's a shocker, but like.
47:52 Sean Fennessey? Wes Craven's shocker.
47:53 Amanda Dobbins? No.
47:53 Sean Fennessey? About a deranged criminal who is executed and then goes into the TV.
47:59 Amanda Dobbins? Movies that are left that I've seen, Ghostbusters Two.
48:03 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
48:04 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
48:04 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
48:05 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
48:05 Sean Fennessey? This is for thriller, action, horror, not?
48:08 Amanda Dobbins? Correct.
48:08 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
48:09 Speaker 03 I had a funny bit for you for sequel that I was gonna try and tip you off to, but it.
48:13 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
48:14 Speaker 03 But I don't think we.
48:15 Amanda Dobbins? We don't have time?
48:15 Speaker 03 We don't have time. We have plenty of time, but.
48:18 Amanda Dobbins? I, I enjoy the Bill Murray of this movie the most, which has nothing to do with action horror or really even thrilling. Uh, it's just funny, but he's very good. And then, I don't know, I like the Slimer guy.
48:31 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, Slimer, sure. How do you feel about the idea of a river of ooze?
48:36 Speaker 03 Pink ooze that's.
48:37 Sean Fennessey? That runs under, through, through, through the, the aqueducts of New York.
48:41 Speaker 03 And it's feeding off of New York's anger and misery.
48:44 Sean Fennessey? Negative energy.
48:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
48:45 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
48:46 Amanda Dobbins? A great metaphor and not, doesn't scare me as much as other issues. I, like, I, I wouldn't wanna like step in it. I wouldn't volunteer to be, it's, it's Ackroyd who gets lowered down.
48:58 Sean Fennessey? I believe so.
48:58 Amanda Dobbins? To get the sample, right? Yeah, I, I wouldn't want that to be me, but I wouldn't say slime is, is like number one on my list of concerns.
49:07 Sean Fennessey? A line reading from that movie that echoes in my mind in perpetuity is, "Viggy, viggy, viggy, you've been a bad monkey." That's a very classic Murray situation. Um. Weird thing that I just heard that I'm gonna share, because we're talking about this movie. Aziz Ansari was on Kim Masters' show on KCRW. And had a long conversation, really interesting, in part about the making of Good Fortune, his movie, and then some of the issues that he has found himself entrenched in recently. You know, some of the press that was written about him, like around Me Too, and then about the Riyadh Comedy Festival. And then he talked about Being Mortal, which was the movie that he was making with Bill Murray that was canceled after Bill Murray was accused of inappropriate behavior. And in talking about that, Kim Masters, who's been reporting on Hollywood for years and years, was like, "I was on the set of Ghostbusters 2."
49:52 Sean Fennessey? And Harold Ramus was a saint, and Ivan Reitman was a nice guy, and Bill Murray was terrible. He was absolutely awful to be around. And I thought it was interesting for her to just say that in that environment. Did Aziz Ansari say anything back? Aziz, I think, was just trying to be as polite as possible. But it was one of those things- Was he like, "No way!"
50:14 Sean Fennessey? No, he didn't do any Aziz bits.
50:15 Amanda Dobbins? That was good. That was good.
50:17 Sean Fennessey? But it was like 35 minutes into a 36-minute interview, and I was like, "Wow, no, they left that in there." Interesting. Okay. It happens. I hate to hear it about somebody that you-
50:25 Amanda Dobbins? And there are stories. You can also imagine it, you know? Like, there is the curmudgeonly, difficult aspect of his personality as part of his comedy as well. But if you're dealing with it all the time, I bet it would be annoying. I mean, the man has a voicemail because he doesn't take phone calls, you know?
50:44 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, just like me.
50:45 Amanda Dobbins? You love to see it, but also that indicates a level of a difficultness that, I don't know. He's funny in this movie. And Sigourney Weaver looks very beautiful. This is sort of like her, you know, the late 80s working girl into this.
51:01 Sean Fennessey? Oh, yeah.
51:02 Amanda Dobbins? It's very inspirational to me. And I'm glad that baby's safe. So, Oscar? Oscar.
51:10 Sean Fennessey? Yes, Oscar is the name of the baby. Oscar. Yes, that's right. She's no longer Zul, the key master? No, she gets exercised in- Yeah, at the end of one. At the end of one. She has no, there's nothing about her that's supernatural in two, right? No.
51:25 Amanda Dobbins? No, well, but she's a mom, you know, so-
51:27 Sean Fennessey? You're right. That is super-dash-natural.
51:30 Amanda Dobbins? That's the most powerful of all.
51:31 Sean Fennessey? Absolutely.
51:32 Amanda Dobbins? Okay. In comedy, I'm taking Heathers.
51:36 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
51:37 Amanda Dobbins? I say, what's your damage to my children, an inappropriate number of times a day for, and it just like comes out of me. I don't say fuck me gently with a chainsaw, so I feel like in terms of parenting, I'm doing pretty well.
51:51 Speaker 03 I do. I sometimes, nobody in particular, say I love my dead gay son.
51:59 Speaker 03 Sometimes like if I'm playing FIFA.
52:04 Speaker 03 The guy gets injured.
52:05 Amanda Dobbins? Um, this, you know, existed before, uh, what is the name of the Lindsay, Mean Girls? And all of the other, did you know that girls can be terrible?
52:19 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
52:19 Amanda Dobbins? Um, and did it with more hate and vitriol and, and really better styling than anyone, than, than any movie since. And I think I saw this before Mean Girls somehow. Like, I do think I saw this at a probably what we would now consider inappropriate age.
52:39 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
52:40 Amanda Dobbins? But at the same time, I was watching all of the John Hughes movies, which is clearly like in conversation with.
52:45 Speaker 03 Almost like rejecting.
52:46 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. And.
52:49 Speaker 03 Daniel Waters, amazing script.
52:50 Amanda Dobbins? I, yeah, and just a version of, of women or teenage girl characters that is not the cheerleader and is in fact just like really angry and mean and ugly. And, you know, that is very freeing. And it's also, well, it is. I mean, they, you shouldn't kill people, but also like they're bitches. So, uh, and, and the script is amazing and so very quotable. And should I get one of those corsages? I don't know why. Like, like a sort of camellia thing that she wears right here. It's a really good one. It's good luck.
53:24 Speaker 03 That's a future look.
53:25 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, thank you.
53:26 Speaker 03 I love that this is a movie that you can watch and just enjoy on the surface. And then you can read so much about like all the references, the intersexual references it's making. Also like the, all the stuff they do with color theory and like the, you know, the red scrunchie or the red hair tie that symbolizes power, all that stuff. Is it true that this was written with the hopes that Stanley Kubrick would direct this?
53:47 Sean Fennessey? I believe so.
53:48 Amanda Dobbins? Well.
53:49 Sean Fennessey? Which is quite interesting.
53:49 Speaker 03 Which is awesome.
53:50 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, you gotta dream big.
53:51 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
53:51 Speaker 03 And.
53:52 Sean Fennessey? Certainly by the end of the movie, it's kind of this like grand, violent, absurdist spectacle. You can see him taking a bite out of that.
53:59 Speaker 03 Uh, and yes, the two lead performances are kind of singed into my, my brain.
54:05 Sean Fennessey? Slater is, is, you know, obviously all of the female stars of the movie, but Slater, like, trying so hard to be Jack. And kind of getting it, like, kind of getting there is, is really, is really quite special.
54:19 Amanda Dobbins? What does she yell at the end? Like, I, I'm done with cool, I'm done with cool guys or something. Like, as she, as they're down and she's diffusing it, it's very funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really, really great stuff.
54:31 Sean Fennessey? Great pick. Great movie.
54:33 Amanda Dobbins? Thank you.
54:33 Sean Fennessey? Um, okay. CR, you've got a pick.
54:37 Speaker 03 This is interesting.
54:38 Sean Fennessey? This is not quite playing out as I had expected it would.
54:42 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
54:43 Sean Fennessey? Not in a bad way.
54:45 Speaker 03 I'm feeling really good about this. I'm gonna take in, uh,
54:50 Speaker 03 Blockbuster, and I kind of can't believe it's, it's such a fantastic world that this was. A blockbuster, I'll take Dead Poets Society.
54:56 Sean Fennessey? I'm gonna do that, yeah.
54:57 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
54:58 Sean Fennessey? I was hoping that would make its way to me.
54:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
55:00 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, sure.
55:01 Speaker 03 Pierre Weir's movie about a group of kids at a boarding school, prep school, who become enamored with their professor or their, their teacher, Robin Williams, played by Robin Williams, features like a half a dozen fantastic young men performances by Robert Sean Leonard and Ethan Hawke and Josh Charles.
55:20 Amanda Dobbins? As Knockover Street.
55:22 Sean Fennessey? We're getting our heads blown off by Chris in this draft right now, just so you know. We're currently being beaten very badly.
55:28 Amanda Dobbins? He has Do the Right Thing, Field of Dreams, and Dead Poets Society. Yeah. I see your point. I see your point.
55:36 Speaker 03 Don't worry, I'll fucking nosedive into a mountain when I'm just like, actually, no, it's Police Academy 6.
55:41 Sean Fennessey? You gotta like, you gotta salute sometimes where you're like, that's pretty masterful. Middling as well. Middling is challenging on this show.
55:47 Speaker 03 Uh, yeah, I, I just, this, it's funny, it's like, the effect that Field of Dreams had on, uh, like, basically, like, this is like, I feel like the teenagers' Field of Dreams.
56:00 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
56:00 Speaker 03 Uh, when you're watching this and you just imagine yourself in these kinds of situations and having such an important feeling, uh, experience in school. And this was right as, like, school was becoming more serious for me. So I thought it was like, uh, well, I didn't take it seriously, but it was getting serious.
56:15 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
56:17 Speaker 03 And, yeah, uh, I don't even know, like, what to say about this.
56:20 Amanda Dobbins? I think they showed me this in school. Which is like a choice.
56:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
56:25 Sean Fennessey? I think I saw it in school as well.
56:26 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
56:27 Sean Fennessey? And there's some, yeah. Then it's like, what's suicide? You know, like, there's a lot of complicated questions that come up when you're watching it at 12 years old.
56:34 Speaker 03 We saw last The Mohicans in school at the end of like a period of of study of Native American tribes of local Philadelphia area. It's not set in Philadelphia at all and is quite violent.
56:46 Speaker 03 Thank you.
56:49 Speaker 04 Sometimes these drafts can be such a bummer for me because I'm like, how the fuck did this movie make 95 million dollars? If this movie came out today, it would be released by Mubi and make 4 million dollars.
57:00 Sean Fennessey? That is true. That is literally true.
57:04 Sean Fennessey? We can't give up.
57:05 Speaker 03 I'm not giving up.
57:06 Sean Fennessey? We can't give up.
57:07 Speaker 03 We're spreading the good word.
57:08 Amanda Dobbins? It's okay.
57:08 Sean Fennessey? Dead Poets Society made nearly 96 million.
57:11 Amanda Dobbins? Wow.
57:14 Speaker 03 Peter Werben, one of the best to do it.
57:15 Amanda Dobbins? Robin Williams.
57:16 Sean Fennessey? Ethan Hawke was having success as a child star before this movie, but this is also the movie that vaulted him.
57:23 Speaker 03 I would say Ethan Hawke giving one of his great, great ever performances in the lowdown. Right now.
57:28 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, I thought you were gonna say in Dead Poets Society.
57:30 Speaker 03 No, but he's having a little, another hocuspance with Blue Moon and.
57:33 Sean Fennessey? Oh, has he seen Blue Moon yet?
57:34 Speaker 03 I have not.
57:35 Sean Fennessey? God, it's so good. He's so good. Okay. I've got two picks.
57:42 Sean Fennessey? And.
57:43 Amanda Dobbins? Wow, I'm just learning that Josh Charles is on a upcoming medical comedy drama television series.
57:49 Speaker 03 Yes.
57:49 Amanda Dobbins? Called Best Medicine. Well, I'm happy for him, I guess.
57:52 Sean Fennessey? Certainly heard better titles.
57:54 Speaker 03 The title Doc was already taken.
57:55 Sean Fennessey? Yes, starring Molly Parker.
57:57 Speaker 03 Yes.
57:58 Sean Fennessey? Yes, I've seen the commercials for that.
57:59 Speaker 03 As a doctor who has amnesia but is somehow still allowed to practice surgical medicine.
58:04 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah.
58:04 Sean Fennessey? Interesting take.
58:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
58:06 Amanda Dobbins? I tried to watch baseball playoffs on the way back from New York, I think, and that was not playing on Fox on the, you know, playing live TV, but the amnesia doctor was.
58:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
58:18 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, so I didn't watch it. I watched Little Women and cried.
58:21 Sean Fennessey? Are there ever any scenes in that show where she's in the middle of a surgery and she's like, whoops, I forgot?
58:25 Speaker 03 No, I mean, I honestly have not watched Doc, I'm sorry.
58:28 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
58:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, too, too busy.
58:31 Sean Fennessey? What, doing?
58:31 Speaker 03 Watching Taylor Sheridan shows.
58:36 Sean Fennessey? So I've got Batman and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
58:40 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
58:41 Sean Fennessey? Which are objectively, I think, pretty good picks, but I look over at your boards and I'm a little concerned. So in Oscar nominee.
58:50 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
58:54 Sean Fennessey? I'll be taking Sex, Lies and Videotape.
58:56 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
58:58 Sean Fennessey? Now, this is a somewhat crowded field of movies that I like.
59:03 Sean Fennessey? But I think this is.
59:04 Speaker 03 This movie is fucking awesome.
59:05 Sean Fennessey? I think this might be the best movie in the mix that has left.
59:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
59:09 Sean Fennessey? And you mentioned this is Soderbergh's debut, written and directed by him, premiered at Sundance, instant sensation, wildly critically acclaimed, and launched him.
59:20 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm.
59:20 Sean Fennessey? And he was the first guy from this stretch of mostly guys, but some women as well, who were put through the post-Sundance world of like, you get to do anything you want. You take on Hollywood movies, you get to, those Hollywood movies fail, you get to make very experimental movies.
59:35 Speaker 03 You get to hunt for Ben Solo.
59:36 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, that's, well, unfortunately, you don't.
59:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
59:39 Sean Fennessey? Um, but this is a really interesting character piece about people confronting their desires or not confronting them, and a very clever, like chessboard kind of a movie, where you see people's feelings getting pushed around by other people and like, feels like a very personal movie for Steven Soderbergh, about the way that he sees relationships in the world. And he's kind of been prodded to talk about that over the years. But this is one that I do remember my parents coming home from seeing by the date night.
1:00:08 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:00:09 Sean Fennessey? And being very excited about and very interested in.
1:00:11 Speaker 03 Really?
1:00:12 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. You know, my mom, I don't know if she was a cinephile, which is a big moviegoer, and she was blown away by this movie. I very, very remember that.
1:00:19 Speaker 03 I was rewatching some of this last night in prep. I for, I sometimes I just forget, Spader is so good in this movie. It's, I don't think it gets talked about enough. He is mesmerizing. They're, because this is shot kind of like a play, you know? And it's in these apartments and it's kind of spare, spare sets and stuff like that. And he grabs the frame with so much power. It's, it's really, really a wonderful performance if you haven't seen it.
1:00:45 Sean Fennessey? Okay. Any Sex, Lies and Videotapes thoughts?
1:00:49 Amanda Dobbins? It was on my list and I'm jealous. And I don't spend enough ti, Peter Gallagher was very formative in my young life.
1:00:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:00:58 Amanda Dobbins? At least like my pre-college life, between Sex, Lies and Videotape, uh, Center Stage and the OC. So James Spader was as well, but we already talked about him.
1:01:08 Sean Fennessey? It seemed like he was going to be.
1:01:11 Amanda Dobbins? And while you were sleeping.
1:01:13 Sean Fennessey? Has he not worked with Soderbergh since The Underneath?
1:01:18 Sean Fennessey? The underneath, probably the most kind of ignored Soderbergh movie, right? Movie that came out in the mid 90s was kind of his last, like, big Hollywood movie before doing like the reset. It's a remake of Criss Cross, I think. It's the, it's the heist movie. Yeah. Right. There's a very strange movie, beautifully lit, but I don't think he's been in one of his movies since then, which is super interesting because they, they're, they're a good match together, too. Okay, Sex, Lies and Videotape.
1:01:43 Sean Fennessey? Now what? Hmm. I don't have a great answer for where I want to go.
1:01:51 Sean Fennessey? I guess.
1:01:54 Sean Fennessey? I guess I'll take Say Anything in comedy. Okay. That you, you struck that. That was my next pick. Say Anything is, uh, yeah, of course, John Cusack holding the boombox overhead. I'm sure you saw people during the Cubs game when he stood up at the, there was like a call in the ninth inning in the elimination game that the Cubs were playing. I was watching this on a plane. And John Cusack was sitting in the front row, longtime massive Cubs fan. And he stood up and he went like this when it was called strike three on a hitter. Oh, I didn't see this. It was a terrible strike three call and it was memed instantaneous.
1:02:28 Amanda Dobbins? Sure, yeah.
1:02:28 Sean Fennessey? It was a boombox. It was very funny. You know, Cameron Crowe, interesting timing for this. He is now releasing his memoir, which I'm really excited to read. And it's interesting, this year, there's two filmmaker memoirs. It's Cameron Crowe and Abel Ferrara and like both of two, basically like the two polarities of moviness. One that is the absolute dark core of humanity and one that is, I think, like a genuinely hopeful point of view on life. And Say Anything and Lloyd Dobler. Lloyd Dobler is maybe the original, he made it okay for me to be weird.
1:03:01 Amanda Dobbins? For sure.
1:03:02 Sean Fennessey? Character, you know, the like real idiosyncrasy of that character.
1:03:05 Amanda Dobbins? And also, yeah. And also made it okay for me to not have good boundaries.
1:03:10 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:03:12 Sean Fennessey? I think he's a bit of a target missile for ladies like Amanda, right? You know, like, just like, very self-possessed, but deeply weird and into his stuff.
1:03:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:03:20 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:03:22 Sean Fennessey? Which is a type that I identify with.
1:03:24 Speaker 03 Sure.
1:03:25 Sean Fennessey? Kickboxing, you know?
1:03:26 Speaker 03 Also, elder abuse.
1:03:29 Sean Fennessey? Well, he's not for that. The film is about that.
1:03:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, which you wouldn't know.
1:03:34 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:03:34 Speaker 03 From most.
1:03:35 Sean Fennessey? Speaking of Ione Sky, you know, who has no real knowledge of her father, John Mahoney's terrible deeds.
1:03:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:03:41 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:03:42 Sean Fennessey? And it's kind of a shocking twist in that movie when it's revealed what's happening.
1:03:45 Speaker 03 Because like, the principal thing of the last 20 minutes is Mahoney's criminality.
1:03:51 Sean Fennessey? To the crisis of their relationship that I found very interesting, that is like, kind of upends what you think a movie can be. You know, it's not, it doesn't have like, hard resolutions and definitive.
1:04:00 Speaker 03 It feels more like a short story. It was like, where something kind of comes out of nowhere and hits it. Which I know you love short stories.
1:04:05 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I do. Yeah.
1:04:08 Sean Fennessey? Don't say anything bad about saying anything.
1:04:10 Amanda Dobbins? No, it's a great movie. I do think that you watch it when you're 15, or 12, or whatever. And Lloyd Dobler is like, one person to you, and then you watch it at the age of 30 or 35, and you're like.
1:04:25 Sean Fennessey? That's my husband.
1:04:28 Sean Fennessey? And that's great.
1:04:31 Sean Fennessey? And this is probably the one that I think set Cusack up more than anything to become the star that he was through the 80s and 90s.
1:04:36 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:04:37 Sean Fennessey? Okay, those are pretty good.
1:04:38 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:04:39 Sean Fennessey? I feel okay about that.
1:04:40 Amanda Dobbins? This is totally unrelated. Well, it's, I'll do the train of thought. Because it's in your eyes that's from the, right? And so.
1:04:49 Sean Fennessey? Peter Gabriel.
1:04:50 Amanda Dobbins? Right, but so then Peter Gabriel also makes me think of Phil Collins, and then.
1:04:55 Sean Fennessey? Because they were in Genesis together.
1:04:56 Amanda Dobbins? Exactly, and then I was thinking about.
1:04:58 Speaker 03 You're a huge Genesis fan.
1:04:59 Amanda Dobbins? I actually, Invisible Touch is like a fucking dynamite. Don't even.
1:05:03 Speaker 03 I'm not mocking you.
1:05:04 Sean Fennessey? What's your favorite?
1:05:05 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:05:05 Sean Fennessey? The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
1:05:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, Prague.
1:05:07 Amanda Dobbins? Sure, and, okay. We didn't talk about the music cue in House of Dynamite, when Idris Elba runs out to the basketball, like, camp with Angel Reason, all the girls in there playing in the air tonight.
1:05:21 Sean Fennessey? In the air tonight.
1:05:24 Sean Fennessey? So here's my read on that.
1:05:28 Sean Fennessey? That must have been his campaign theme song.
1:05:30 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:05:31 Sean Fennessey? So that that was sort of his theme song during his administration. But if that is the idea and we want to follow that, "In the Air Tonight" is a deranged theme song for a politician.
1:05:40 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, exactly.
1:05:41 Sean Fennessey? But would also be in the hallowed tradition of politicians misunderstanding songs and making them the theme song.
1:05:48 Amanda Dobbins? No, excuse me. It was "Don't Stop."
1:05:49 Speaker 03 "Don't Stop," right.
1:05:50 Amanda Dobbins? Please do not dismerge "Go Your Own Way." Which is an amazing song.
1:05:54 Speaker 03 I love "Go Your Own Way." It would also be incredibly funny if Phil Clinton had been like, "This one's called the chain!" And I love it.
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1:07:32 Amanda Dobbins? Chris, you have a pick.
1:07:35 Speaker 03 In comedy, I'll take Parenthood.
1:07:37 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:07:38 Speaker 03 This is a movie I've seen so many times. It's actually, in a lot of ways, more of a drama than a comedy, but a lot of very funny performances. Steve Martin, Rick Moranis, Joaquin Phoenix, then known as Leaf.
1:07:51 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:07:52 Speaker 03 Speaking of Aziz Ansari clips, there was a very funny one recently where he said he had been watching Parenthood and he was like, "Damn, who's this kid?" And then he's like, "Leaf Phoenix? Have I discovered a new Phoenix? I'm gonna get this guy in a movie." And it's obviously Joaquin. It's also one of my favorite Keanu Reeves performances. Martha Plimpton's also really great in this. This obviously got adapted later to be a long-running and very well-loved NPC series, but this is Ron Howard's sort of portrait of a upper-middle-class American family on the rocks and just a lot of big, big life moments happening to a bunch of different people at the same time. And very sweet, kind-hearted movie. Really, I've just, it's just been part of my life since the day it came out, it feels like.
1:08:36 Speaker 03 So, don't know if you guys have a lot of time for this one.
1:08:39 Sean Fennessey? I love it.
1:08:40 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:08:41 Speaker 03 Also, another Lol Ganz and Bob Loomandell banger.
1:08:44 Sean Fennessey? Your boys.
1:08:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:08:45 Sean Fennessey? Your homies. Those are your guys.
1:08:48 Speaker 03 I know.
1:08:51 Sean Fennessey? The thing I find devastating about this movie is Steve Martin's performance watching his son play baseball.
1:08:58 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:08:59 Sean Fennessey? That like, it hurts me to watch that.
1:09:01 Speaker 03 That's not funny, you know what I mean?
1:09:02 Sean Fennessey? No, it's powerful. I find that this is a, if you grew up in a suburban environment, this movie is very, felt very close to what it was like.
1:09:11 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:09:12 Sean Fennessey? The complicated relationship between siblings, you know, the like, black sheep who is also beloved by the elder figure, you know? There's like, there's so many, there's weird little nuances in this movie that are really sharp for something that was very broad and just like a pop blockbuster.
1:09:26 Speaker 03 Yeah, right.
1:09:26 Sean Fennessey? You know, mainstream movie.
1:09:27 Amanda Dobbins? Like ensemble, yes. Good pick.
1:09:30 Speaker 03 Thanks.
1:09:31 Amanda Dobbins? I have two. In drama, I will be taking Born on the Fourth of July.
1:09:36 Speaker 03 Hmm.
1:09:37 Amanda Dobbins? Which is, I think Oliver Stone's best movie.
1:09:41 Speaker 03 Controversial.
1:09:41 Amanda Dobbins? And it is controversial and.
1:09:44 Speaker 03 Cause it's actually U-turn.
1:09:47 Sean Fennessey? This is best film.
1:09:48 Speaker 03 U-turn is incredible.
1:09:49 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, I could, I could hear the case for JFK. I mean, I know everyone thinks that Platoon is the better Vietnam movie, but I think.
1:09:57 Sean Fennessey? I prefer Born on the Fourth of July to Platoon personally.
1:10:00 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
1:10:00 Speaker 03 To watch.
1:10:00 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:10:01 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, to watch. Also, just it does star Tom Cruise and one of Tom Cruise's best performances. So, um, and, and he is like, it's right before Cruise becomes self-aware of like the Tom Cruise-ness of it all. And so, and that's a pretty magical, and it's the last movie probably where he is playing a character instead of being Tom Cruise playing a character. And even then, it's like on, on the border, you know, there is some, um, shock in seeing all, you know, Tom Cruise cursing, being angry, you know, rejecting the US, all of that stuff.
1:10:43 Amanda Dobbins? So, I don't know, it's a great movie and.
1:10:48 Sean Fennessey? I've always been fascinated by the sliding door of if Cruise wins instead of Daniel Day-Lewis.
1:10:53 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:10:53 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
1:10:54 Sean Fennessey? And what happens to, not Daniel Day-Lewis's career, but Tom Cruise's career and what he is as a star. Because he doesn't, he's not always seemed like so solicitous of the Academy. He has not been like driven by winning an Academy Award, obviously, but I wonder what it would have.
1:11:09 Speaker 03 I mean, he still chases, chases it through Magnolia, right? Like, I mean, he still makes movies with.
1:11:17 Amanda Dobbins? Even after Magnolia for a bit.
1:11:19 Sean Fennessey? It doesn't really feel like he's chasing it though. Like I say that because those are two films about two disabled characters and they fit that classical mold of.
1:11:27 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:11:27 Sean Fennessey? You know, turning your life over physically to playing a part, which is a, you know, it's still, I think, a, a strategy that works to help win Academy Awards. And in almost any other year, a young star like Cruise making that commitment to play Kovik, would have won him something, but he just so happened to run into the single greatest actor of his generation and maybe the next couple. And it's just, I, I've thought about it in quiet moments of reflection.
1:11:55 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:11:58 Sean Fennessey? Good pick.
1:11:59 Amanda Dobbins? And then in sequel, I will take National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.
1:12:04 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:12:05 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, so you're good.
1:12:06 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I mean, like, you got me shook. Like, Chris is, Chris's first three. It's now we're just, you know, we're playing for second place.
1:12:15 Speaker 03 I don't know about that because people don't look at it like, oh, Chris is on such a run. They'll look at the totality of the...
1:12:20 Amanda Dobbins? Well, that's, I hope that people listen to the podcast and experience this emotional roller coaster in real time.
1:12:26 Speaker 03 I feel like people are like, bear head. Okay.
1:12:29 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:12:29 Speaker 03 It wasn't like, oh, man, it's over.
1:12:31 Sean Fennessey? Well, you see, like, this grid that we're looking at here, which is a new addition to our drafting strategy. Thank you to Jack for that.
1:12:38 Sean Fennessey? It would make more sense, I think, in the future to post the grid rather than the card that indicates what films you picked in which category. Because what you want to show is the order in which things were selected, and that would reveal the strength of your moves thus far. But you know what? Maybe you're about to fritter it all away.
1:12:54 Amanda Dobbins? Maybe. Wait, I didn't get to talk about, I just...
1:12:56 Sean Fennessey? I'm not, I'm not saying that you should talk. Please continue.
1:12:59 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, by far my favorite.
1:13:01 Speaker 03 Your favorite use of a septic tank.
1:13:04 Amanda Dobbins? I think it's probably how I learned what a septic tank is, thinking about when in my life I was exposed to... This, this one was early. This is maybe the, the second movie of 1989 that I ever saw because it was core in our home.
1:13:19 Sean Fennessey? On TV all the time.
1:13:20 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, and we are recording this in the days before Halloween, which I, as, as a parent, I'm really, I'm struggling to find my Halloween mom, you know?
1:13:31 Speaker 03 Are you?
1:13:31 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, but let me tell you.
1:13:34 Sean Fennessey? Come on, let's go.
1:13:35 Amanda Dobbins? I'm, I'm doing my best, but like, like you were there at Vidiot's, you know, it's just, I didn't know to have the plastic bucket. And then you can't get past the plastic bucket. Did you hear about this? And then he was just like weeping in the Disney aisle. And then I was like, yeah.
1:13:49 Speaker 03 Do you know what would help with that?
1:13:50 Amanda Dobbins? It happens.
1:13:50 Speaker 03 A four-hour Halo session.
1:13:55 Speaker 03 Just fraggin' Smalions.
1:13:57 Amanda Dobbins? Like, listen, so I'm not crafty.
1:14:00 Sean Fennessey? That would help.
1:14:00 Amanda Dobbins? I'm not a Halloween mom, you know? I'm doing my best, but it's not, it's not where I thrive. I have other skills, but let me tell you, when that clock rolls over in November 1, Clark Griswold, here I am.
1:14:11 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:14:11 Amanda Dobbins? As you know, well, well.
1:14:13 Speaker 03 You dress like a candy cane today.
1:14:14 Amanda Dobbins? Thank you. Yeah, thank you so much.
1:14:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:14:16 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah.
1:14:17 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:14:17 Amanda Dobbins? And I think probably this year, as the children become like more sentient, there, there are gonna be no moving spookies this year.
1:14:23 Speaker 03 No.
1:14:24 Amanda Dobbins? But will there be moving Santa Clauses?
1:14:25 Speaker 03 Probably.
1:14:26 Amanda Dobbins? And I'm open to it.
1:14:27 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:14:27 Amanda Dobbins? So.
1:14:28 Sean Fennessey? Only Judeo-Christian decorations in your home, or?
1:14:32 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:14:32 Amanda Dobbins? We have an inflatable skeleton.
1:14:34 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:14:35 Amanda Dobbins? And, um.
1:14:36 Sean Fennessey? But that's not for Christmas? Or is that meant to represent Christ's birth?
1:14:40 Amanda Dobbins? Sure, yeah, or also opening the tomb, you know?
1:14:43 Sean Fennessey? Sure.
1:14:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:14:46 Sean Fennessey? Isn't that Easter?
1:14:47 Speaker 03 I wanna get him a manger, but it's just the baby Jesus's Master Chief from Halo. So that he knows physically the Savior.
1:14:58 Amanda Dobbins? Anyway, this is a great film.
1:15:00 Sean Fennessey? We're gonna absolutely crush this. Video game uncle is like, is such an elite role in life.
1:15:05 Amanda Dobbins? That's fine.
1:15:06 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:15:06 Amanda Dobbins? It will just, it will not cross my doorstep.
1:15:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, sure.
1:15:09 Amanda Dobbins? It's not on my time. That's you.
1:15:11 Sean Fennessey? No, hold the line.
1:15:12 Speaker 03 Good luck.
1:15:12 Amanda Dobbins? Watch me.
1:15:13 Sean Fennessey? You'll definitely win.
1:15:13 Amanda Dobbins? You want, watch me.
1:15:14 Sean Fennessey? You'll definitely win.
1:15:17 Sean Fennessey? Okay. First of all, I love that you keep selecting problematic comic stars in all your categories. That's great. Chevy Chase, allegedly not a nice person, but is actually amazing in this movie. And in the final scene, near the final scene with Brian Doyle Murray, when he learns what his Christmas bonus is, you can make the case that's the best performance Chevy Chase has ever given. He's so funny and so enraged by what he learns.
1:15:39 Speaker 03 Holy shit?
1:15:39 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:15:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:15:40 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:15:42 Sean Fennessey? So he's great. Elaine Benes, you know?
1:15:44 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:15:45 Sean Fennessey? Julie Louis-Dreyfus as the next door neighbor. No piece of shit in that movie.
1:15:48 Amanda Dobbins? She doesn't get it, or, you know? I feel that way about Halloween. I'm her until you get into Christmas.
1:15:54 Speaker 03 You're trying with Halloween. You're trying your best.
1:15:56 Amanda Dobbins? I'm trying.
1:15:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:15:57 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. I feel.
1:15:58 Speaker 03 What are you going as? Or you're just going as mom?
1:15:59 Amanda Dobbins? I'm going as just mom.
1:16:00 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:16:01 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:16:02 Speaker 03 And you are going as?
1:16:03 Sean Fennessey? Kristoff?
1:16:05 Sean Fennessey? But Kristoff from Frozen 2.
1:16:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:16:07 Sean Fennessey? So.
1:16:08 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, interesting. So what is the costume difference there?
1:16:10 Sean Fennessey? The shade of tunic, I think, is a little different.
1:16:13 Amanda Dobbins? Has your tunic arrived?
1:16:14 Speaker 03 Yes. Do you have a wig?
1:16:16 Sean Fennessey? Uh, I don't. I, I, I really seriously considered dying it.
1:16:20 Speaker 03 White? Is that what it would have been?
1:16:21 Amanda Dobbins? It would be like blonde. It would be like, it would be like Tim's, Tim Simon's hair.
1:16:25 Sean Fennessey? Lookin' gray.
1:16:26 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:16:26 Speaker 03 That would look fucking.
1:16:27 Amanda Dobbins? It would look cool. You should do it.
1:16:29 Speaker 03 I would love that.
1:16:29 Sean Fennessey? I kinda wanna do it.
1:16:31 Amanda Dobbins? Why not?
1:16:31 Sean Fennessey? I have nothing to lose.
1:16:32 Amanda Dobbins? I'm, I don't know.
1:16:33 Sean Fennessey? Too late now. Kristoff, I gotta be Kristoff tomorrow.
1:16:35 Amanda Dobbins? Well, we could do it tonight, you know, or in the morning. But no, no, no. But so now I'm just looking, you're saying that you, you know, I've never dyed my hair, so I don't really know.
1:16:44 Sean Fennessey? Nor have I.
1:16:45 Amanda Dobbins? But I do, do you wonder whether we would have to like strip the color from your hair before then turning it blonde? Because like, yeah, so dark hair turning lighter is an issue.
1:16:55 Sean Fennessey? I don't know anything about this.
1:16:56 Speaker 03 You would be like, oh, fine, Alien Earth, if you did it. We'd be pretty sick.
1:16:59 Sean Fennessey? That's very generous of you to say that.
1:17:02 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, like him, but not.
1:17:04 Sean Fennessey? Yes, I will be Kristoff. And yeah, Alice is, is Elsa and, and Eileen is Anna.
1:17:10 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. It's with a, it's a long, it's a ah.
1:17:12 Sean Fennessey? Anna.
1:17:12 Amanda Dobbins? Anna. Yeah, just so you know.
1:17:14 Sean Fennessey? Uh, Scandinavian, really, in origin, right?
1:17:17 Amanda Dobbins? Though you're leaving, you're, you're abandoning us for Halloween.
1:17:20 Speaker 03 I mean, I'm, I'm sorry, I'm knocking a beer for you. You know, I love it.
1:17:23 Amanda Dobbins? I know.
1:17:24 Sean Fennessey? Is it because it's a pagan holiday that you won't be present?
1:17:27 Speaker 03 No, I'm going to England. I, but like, they have Halloween there. Maybe when I land tomorrow night, I'll be greeted by like Michael Myers, you know? That would be a cool way to bring me through customs.
1:17:35 Sean Fennessey? That'd be a great way to kick off the new Halloween franchise. If Sarah gets off the plane, gets stabbed right away, right in the terminal.
1:17:41 Speaker 03 Um, in sequel, it's my turn, right?
1:17:46 Amanda Dobbins? Mm-hmm.
1:17:46 Speaker 03 In sequel, I am going to take diplomatic immunity. Shout out to Joss Ackland, all my South African guys out there. And shout out to Patsy Kensit in Lethal Weapon 2, my first love.
1:17:59 Sean Fennessey? Is she?
1:18:00 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:18:01 Sean Fennessey? Um, you just shouted out all the, like, the part-time guys in South Africa?
1:18:05 Speaker 03 They all die to rest in piss, my guys.
1:18:09 Sean Fennessey? Um, but who are you, who are you referencing?
1:18:12 Speaker 03 Uh, what do you mean?
1:18:13 Sean Fennessey? The, the freed people of South, like Mandela? Like, who are you talking about?
1:18:16 Speaker 03 Fuck those guys. You know, even shout out, I see you dead, you know, like. When Mel Gibson puts fucking nine in your chest because you took his leg. And I get it. And you fucking pulls your house down.
1:18:30 Speaker 03 They don't make shit like this anymore.
1:18:32 Sean Fennessey? This movie's kind of deranged.
1:18:33 Speaker 03 Um, this has also got the toilet explosion.
1:18:36 Sean Fennessey? Yup. That's when Danny Glover's on the can.
1:18:38 Speaker 03 And it's got, it's got Leo Getz, right? Is Leo Getz in two or is he in three? No, he's.
1:18:42 Amanda Dobbins? Pesci, you're saying?
1:18:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:18:43 Amanda Dobbins? I think he's in two. Right?
1:18:45 Speaker 03 I'm pretty positive he's in two. And then he has a bigger role in three, right?
1:18:48 Speaker 04 He is in two.
1:18:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's right. What a fucking great movie. Honestly, what a great movie. They let Martin Riggs be happy, but then they took it away from him. And then he takes everything from them, from apartheid.
1:19:02 Sean Fennessey? Well put.
1:19:02 Speaker 03 Free Nelson Mandela, you dumb son of a bitch. That's what he says.
1:19:09 Speaker 03 What a great message.
1:19:12 Sean Fennessey? What's the message?
1:19:13 Speaker 03 Free Nelson Mandela.
1:19:16 Sean Fennessey? Sometimes you just gotta say it. Like, you just gotta put it in the script, you know?
1:19:19 Speaker 03 You get cut together a lot of the things that I've said in this, in this episode. It's pretty weird.
1:19:25 Sean Fennessey? That's true in most episodes, I think.
1:19:26 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:19:27 Sean Fennessey? Uh, okay.
1:19:28 Speaker 03 You like this one? You have anything to say about Lethal Weapon two?
1:19:31 Sean Fennessey? I think Lethal Weapon two, Lethal Weapon in general is cool. Like, I like it.
1:19:33 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:19:34 Sean Fennessey? It's not in my, for you, it's a very important franchise. And I, I respect that. And I, I echo Van Lathan's why Mel, why, you know?
1:19:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, absolutely.
1:19:43 Sean Fennessey? Definitely a star. I really enjoy, uh, his movies, but seems like human garbage. Um.
1:19:49 Amanda Dobbins? I'm just saying, it's a through light of those. The eighties, a different time.
1:19:52 Sean Fennessey? It was a different time. Yes.
1:19:54 Speaker 03 So is it gonna be called Passion of the Christ: Colon Resurrection?
1:19:58 Sean Fennessey? It's Passion of the Christ: Colon Master Chief.
1:20:02 Sean Fennessey? And it's set in the world of Halo. And then Christ, Christ the Redeemer comes.
1:20:10 Sean Fennessey? But it's like he puts on the gear.
1:20:14 Sean Fennessey? David Ellison is pumped right now.
1:20:19 Sean Fennessey? Fuck, it's all coming together. That's how you do it. This is, this is money on the table.
1:20:26 Amanda Dobbins? Oh my god.
1:20:26 Sean Fennessey? Just come to the big picture, ask us what you think you should do.
1:20:29 Speaker 03 What is the bad guy, was it called like the Horde or something in Halo?
1:20:32 Sean Fennessey? I've never played Halo.
1:20:33 Speaker 03 You missed out, bro.
1:20:34 Amanda Dobbins? So what's up with Halo?
1:20:35 Speaker 03 What about it? Wait, what do you do?
1:20:37 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:20:38 Speaker 03 You're a guy named Master Chief. You're like a super soldier. You jump out of a spaceship and you fucking fight aliens all over the place.
1:20:45 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, okay. But like, are you, is it like zero gravity? Are you floating?
1:20:49 Speaker 03 No, you're, you're running.
1:20:50 Amanda Dobbins? Where?
1:20:51 Speaker 03 I can't remember the name of the planet.
1:20:52 Sean Fennessey? It's really funny when you slip out of character and you actually just become like the face shit lord that you are, where you're just like, it's fucking sick, bro. Like, and there's no affect, there's no irony. You were just literally like, I was sitting in my apartment, it was 2006, I was high as shit and I was playing Halo and my life was awesome.
1:21:11 Speaker 03 Smoking indoors playing Halo is actually the greatest human experience you can have.
1:21:17 Sean Fennessey? That's pretty good. I don't, I don't really know what to do.
1:21:21 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, what do you have left?
1:21:22 Sean Fennessey? Thanks for asking. Let's figure that out right now. So I've got drama, which you would think would be an easy category, and yet I feel a little bit stumped. I've got blockbuster. I guess I'll, I have to take in blockbuster Back to the Future Part Two, which I think is very, very good and is, as sequels go, a lot of fun and a huge part of the, became a huge part of the culture because of the hoverboards, because of the sports almanac, because of-
1:21:45 Speaker 03 Trump, right? Isn't there like a Trump thing?
1:21:47 Sean Fennessey? There's a Trump thing, yes. A movie that felt prescient at the time. We still don't have hoverboards?
1:21:53 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:21:53 Sean Fennessey? What's up with that? What's up with that?
1:21:56 Speaker 03 I mean, it's weird where they put their money into.
1:21:59 Sean Fennessey? Weird what they put their money, well now it's all going into crypto.
1:22:01 Speaker 03 Right, but like, we could have hoverboards.
1:22:03 Sean Fennessey? Have you guys like, talked about this on your other pods about how, you know, Trump is trying to devalue the dollar so that he can pump up his crypto and his family's personal wealth?
1:22:11 Speaker 03 I talked about that on Zach Lo's pod today.
1:22:12 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, great.
1:22:15 Amanda Dobbins? I really do like when Business Chris comes on a podcast, you know?
1:22:18 Speaker 03 I don't know what I'm talking about.
1:22:19 Amanda Dobbins? It's good.
1:22:20 Sean Fennessey? Back to the Future Two-
1:22:22 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, they would just have too much debt, you know?
1:22:25 Speaker 03 Should there be-
1:22:25 Amanda Dobbins? I did say that.
1:22:28 Sean Fennessey? What did you say?
1:22:28 Speaker 03 I said that the problem is, is that he bought it with debt. Zazov bought it. Warner Brothers Discovery was just like laden with debt.
1:22:35 Amanda Dobbins? Business Chris, yeah.
1:22:37 Sean Fennessey? But he didn't personally buy it.
1:22:39 Speaker 03 No, but he bought it with debt, like he used debt to buy it, right? Like he was like, put it on my Discover card.
1:22:48 Sean Fennessey? It's a good thing you're here.
1:22:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:22:50 Sean Fennessey? What category did you take this in, Sean? Blockbuster. Blockbuster, okay. Which leaves me with drama and wild cards, so I guess I have to take a drama. And I don't really know what to do. Can you guys vamp for a second for me?
1:23:01 Speaker 03 Well, I mean, there's a bunch of movies here that.
1:23:04 Amanda Dobbins? Now I'm just looking at Chris's spreadsheet.
1:23:07 Speaker 03 Well, it's not even a spreadsheet.
1:23:08 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. I mean, this is like, we do it in the same way. Yeah. Okay, I just saw one on your long list. Don't you dare.
1:23:15 Speaker 03 Had you seen, um, had you seen Mithalipin 2?
1:23:19 Amanda Dobbins? No.
1:23:20 Sean Fennessey? I know what I'm gonna pick.
1:23:20 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:23:21 Sean Fennessey? I know exactly what I'm gonna pick. This is not gonna win me any drafts, but I just watched it for the first time last night.
1:23:25 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:23:25 Sean Fennessey? I said I would talk about my parents and I just saw The Fabulous Baker Boys for the first time in my life last night.
1:23:30 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, exciting.
1:23:32 Sean Fennessey? Which is, was honestly terrific. And, you know, a movie that my parents definitely saw on a date night and then would not shut the fuck up about for weeks.
1:23:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah.
1:23:42 Sean Fennessey? And when we were talking about the middle of Hollywood and what this movie is, and I read a lot about it after I watched it. So this is a, um, a drama about two brothers who are musicians, uh, played by real life brothers, Bo Bridges and Jeff Bridges. And they have had a long running kind of nightclub act where they perform piano tunes.
1:24:02 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:24:02 Sean Fennessey? And, uh, Tin Pan Alley songs.
1:24:05 Speaker 03 Two piano, both pianos.
1:24:06 Sean Fennessey? Two pianos, dueling pianos. And they've hit a bit of a snag because the club owners are growing tired of their shtick. They're not able to draw a crowd as much as they were in the past. And so they start auditioning female singers to join their act. And they run through 37 auditions and they don't find a single talented person, though they do see a very funny Jennifer Tilly in her first movie role. And. Finally, an hour and a half late, Michelle Pfeiffer, aka Susie Diamond, shows up on their doorstep. And she is bedraggled and rude and one of the hottest people who's ever lived.
1:24:40 Speaker 03 Right.
1:24:40 Sean Fennessey? And has a stunning voice. And if you've seen Grease 2, you know that Michelle Pfeiffer knows how to sing, but maybe not quite like this. And then it becomes a kind of slow-moving character study of this trio of people entrenched in this business relationship. And eventually, a love affair develops between Jeff Bridges' character and Michelle Pfeiffer. The movie, when we were kids, was legendary for this performance of Macon Whoopi, in which Michelle Pfeiffer gets on the piano and sings, and wearing this red dress, considered one of the sexiest scenes in movie history. I'd never seen it. I'd seen pictures. I'd just never seen this movie.
1:25:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:25:10 Sean Fennessey? And
1:25:11 Speaker 03 Did you
1:25:11 Sean Fennessey? Man, it lived up.
1:25:12 Speaker 03 Did you get a copy of it?
1:25:14 Sean Fennessey? I bought a copy of it probably a couple of years ago. There's a Twilight Time Blu-ray that is out of print and hard to find.
1:25:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:25:21 Sean Fennessey? And you can stream it, I guess. I'm sure it's available on Apple.
1:25:24 Speaker 03 I think it's in VOD, but I don't think it's available for streaming. And I would say, if you haven't seen this, this is the color of money of lounge acts.
1:25:32 Sean Fennessey? Totally.
1:25:33 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:25:33 Sean Fennessey? Very similar energy.
1:25:34 Speaker 03 I think Michael Bauhaus shot it.
1:25:36 Sean Fennessey? Same cinematographer.
1:25:37 Speaker 03 And I think he shot Color of Money, right?
1:25:38 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, same cinematographer, a lot of smoking.
1:25:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:25:40 Sean Fennessey? A lot of dank, dark rooms, a lot of like, every character on the periphery is kind of an asshole. It's written by Steve, written and directed by Steve Cloves, who is probably best known now as the writer of all the Harry Potter movies.
1:25:53 Speaker 03 He did this, he did Flesh and Bone.
1:25:56 Sean Fennessey? Flesh and Bone.
1:25:57 Speaker 03 And then he writes like 10 Harry Potter movies, or however many Harry Potter movies.
1:26:02 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:26:02 Speaker 03 Plus is like producer or consultant on the Fantastic Beasts movies.
1:26:06 Sean Fennessey? Yes. And he wrote this movie when he was in his twenties, because I think his parents were into this kind of music. And he remembered seeing an act on The Tonight Show, who performed in this fashion. And just one of those weird things where he just really believed in himself and was like, I'm not going to sell this script. I need to direct this movie. And it seemed like maybe at a certain point, George Roy Hill was going to come on board, help him with it, and he ultimately didn't do it. But it's just a darn good drama, and I love to discover something like this that is like a well-known movie that has been in my, on my blinders for a long time. And I say all this to say, much like Tom Cruise, Michelle Pfeiffer not winning for this performance is fucking crazy.
1:26:46 Speaker 03 One of the best-
1:26:46 Sean Fennessey? And Jessica Tandy winning is bullshit. Like, you know, Driving Miss Daisy, whatever you think about the racial politics, it's terrible. She gives like a nice performance, but compared to what Michelle Pfeiffer is asked to do in this movie, it's night and day.
1:26:58 Speaker 03 One of the best character introductions is her, her tryout song that she does. And it's also like, she comes in and they're just like, well, like, where have you been playing? And she's like, well, I've been a high-class escort for the last however long. And Jeff Bridges just is like looking down, and when she says that, he kind of like looks up, and then he goes, what would you like to play for? What are you gonna sing for us today? And it's like Bridges is smoldering this movie. He is so good.
1:27:23 Sean Fennessey? It's so easy to forget because of The Big Lebowski and Crazy Heart and True Grit, that he was such a stud.
1:27:32 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:27:33 Sean Fennessey? He was such a heartthrob.
1:27:34 Amanda Dobbins? I've never forgotten Jagged Edge, so.
1:27:36 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, it's a very similar era, yes.
1:27:38 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, to the Michelle Pfeiffer thing, I have always felt like slightly after like the Michelle Pfeiffer era, in the same way of like Demi Moore. It was just, we were like a bit younger, and so I like wasn't there for it, and I didn't understand what our parents were really talking about. And then you see Fabulous Baker Boys, and you're like, oh, I see.
1:27:58 Sean Fennessey? For us, it was like, that was Dangerous Minds era, Michelle Pfeiffer when we were teenagers, and this is-
1:28:03 Speaker 03 It was like this and Tequila Sunrise, right?
1:28:05 Sean Fennessey? Yes, that's really the heart of her thing. So anyway, that's my drama pick.
1:28:09 Amanda Dobbins? That's great.
1:28:10 Speaker 03 Steve Klose, what's up?
1:28:11 Sean Fennessey? I don't know, man. I'm such a good screenplay. There's a, there's a fight between the two of them near the end of the film, where they're kind of like lecturing each other. That's very like, if Sorkin knew how to write about the like-
1:28:21 Amanda Dobbins? About women?
1:28:21 Sean Fennessey? Between non-politicians. But it's just like really brilliantly written and enacted. Okay, CR, you've got two more picks, right?
1:28:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, and I have Wild Card, and I have Action Horror Thriller.
1:28:36 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:28:39 Sean Fennessey? Can I just say, I do feel good about my board, after all that?
1:28:42 Amanda Dobbins? I'm glad. Okay, it came around.
1:28:48 Speaker 03 There's what I want to pick and there's what I should pick.
1:28:50 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:28:52 Speaker 03 I'm gonna go with what I want to pick because I also want to talk about a news item that you there may not have seen. So I'm gonna pick Roadhouse for action horror thriller. And I want to talk to you about the dueling Roadhouse sequels.
1:29:02 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:29:02 Speaker 03 Did you know about this?
1:29:04 Sean Fennessey? Incredible segue.
1:29:04 Amanda Dobbins? So, one of them is the, is Doug Liman?
1:29:09 Speaker 03 One of them is-
1:29:10 Amanda Dobbins? No, it's not.
1:29:10 Speaker 03 Guy Ritchie is supposed to direct- No, not Guy Ritchie.
1:29:13 Sean Fennessey? It was gonna be Guy Ritchie and now it's another director who, whose name escapes me. So he is making the sequel to the recent Jake Gyllenhaal Amazon MGM Roadhouse.
1:29:21 Speaker 03 Which Jake Gyllenhaal is starring in and it's gonna be on Amazon.
1:29:25 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:29:25 Sean Fennessey? Now Doug Liman was the director of the original remake.
1:29:27 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
1:29:28 Speaker 03 Doug Liman has apparently also started going forward with a sequel based on a book or screenplay-
1:29:36 Sean Fennessey? Screenplay.
1:29:36 Speaker 03 By the original screenwriter-
1:29:38 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:29:38 Speaker 03 Who is also claiming that the copyright on the Roadhouse IP has reverted to him.
1:29:46 Amanda Dobbins? Ah, okay.
1:29:47 Speaker 03 And it is basically like a sequel to the original Roadhouse where it's like Dylan, Dylan lives or whatever, like, I mean Dylan did live, but he's out there in the world doing Roadhouse stuff. The idea that we can-
1:30:03 Speaker 03 Doug Liman is such a real one, man. Like, he might be out of his gourd, but like-
1:30:08 Amanda Dobbins? Also, like, speaking of people where you just hear a lot of stories of just absolutely insane things that are happening, yeah.
1:30:13 Speaker 03 But the fact is that he's still so pissed off that Roadhouse didn't stay in theaters that he's like, "I'm going to make a different Roadhouse."
1:30:19 Sean Fennessey? So, the funny thing about this is that there actually is a Roadhouse 2 that came out in 2006. It was a direct-to-video action movie. And it appears that the writer that you're referring to does have a credit on that movie. R. Lance Hill-
1:30:37 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:30:38 Sean Fennessey? Whose pen name is David Lee Henry. And I think he's credited with already having made a Roadhouse 2.
1:30:44 Speaker 03 Right.
1:30:44 Sean Fennessey? Which is a movie that nobody has seen, of course.
1:30:45 Speaker 03 I don't know what that does to Doug Liman's and his copyright argument with the Amazon Corporation. But, uh, this is just fascinating. Besides all that, Roadhouse was one of those, when I saw it on video when I was 12 or 13, I was just like, the female form and also tearing a man's throat out are the two most important things in the world to me.
1:31:08 Sean Fennessey? In this film, you get both. You get Kelly Lynch.
1:31:10 Amanda Dobbins? Is 1989, is 1989 the year of the female body investigator hat?
1:31:15 Speaker 03 No, I was younger. Like, a little older than, I was like seven when I did that.
1:31:20 Amanda Dobbins? Okay. And then your mom made you return it?
1:31:22 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:31:23 Sean Fennessey? I was really innocent?
1:31:24 Speaker 03 Yeah, like, I wasn't like, I want to inspect female bodies. I was like, I respect.
1:31:29 Sean Fennessey? I like how you're presenting that as like a real counterpoint to most of the guys who get that hat. It's like, well, obviously if you buy that hat, it means you're investigating bodies.
1:31:36 Speaker 03 I just, I just stood with law enforcement at a young age.
1:31:41 Speaker 03 I was just one of Hoover's little cubs, you know?
1:31:44 Amanda Dobbins? Did you have to walk back to the store to return it?
1:31:46 Speaker 03 I don't remember. There may have been me in the backseat of the car waiting while my mother asked why this Walgreens was selling a female body inspector hat. Anyway, Roadhouse, fuck yeah.
1:31:58 Sean Fennessey? Nice pick.
1:31:58 Speaker 03 Thanks.
1:31:59 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, really good.
1:32:01 Sean Fennessey? Amanda, you've got your last two picks.
1:32:03 Amanda Dobbins? I do. I have Oscar nominee and wildcard.
1:32:04 Sean Fennessey? There are so many good movies left.
1:32:06 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, I know what I'm gonna do.
1:32:10 Amanda Dobbins? And it's, and it's being true to myself, Chris Ryan, Christopher Ryan, if I say to you, look at this stuff, isn't it neat? Wouldn't you think my, can you, can you finish the sentence?
1:32:21 Speaker 03 No, what is this?
1:32:23 Sean Fennessey? Uh, it's The Little Mermaid.
1:32:24 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:32:25 Speaker 03 I haven't seen it.
1:32:25 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:32:28 Amanda Dobbins? It's, uh, it's a song.
1:32:29 Speaker 03 Is this a line from Henry the Fifth?
1:32:32 Amanda Dobbins? From Part of Your World, which is one of the great songs written for, uh, in cinema history. It's up there with That Thing You Do and Shallow, in my opinion.
1:32:42 Sean Fennessey? Thingamabobs? I've got plenty.
1:32:43 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
1:32:44 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Ariel, love Ariel.
1:32:45 Amanda Dobbins? But who cares? No big deal. I want more. I mean.
1:32:47 Sean Fennessey? I want more.
1:32:48 Amanda Dobbins? Listen, I, I restrain, I kept myself from not singing it, but was I singing it last night by myself?
1:32:55 Sean Fennessey? I wanna be where the people are. I wanna see.
1:32:59 Amanda Dobbins? Wanna see them dancing, walking along on those, what do they call it again?
1:33:04 Speaker 03 I thought she's, she's a mermaid, but she has.
1:33:07 Amanda Dobbins? Up where they walk.
1:33:08 Sean Fennessey? She has aspirations to be a human.
1:33:10 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, because of Prince Eric.
1:33:11 Sean Fennessey? Because she sees Prince Eric. She saves Prince Eric from a burning ship.
1:33:15 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:33:15 Sean Fennessey? That has been shipwrecked.
1:33:16 Speaker 03 Prince of what?
1:33:18 Sean Fennessey? Uh.
1:33:18 Amanda Dobbins? I, it's a great question.
1:33:19 Speaker 03 Portugal?
1:33:20 Sean Fennessey? Really good question. Unclear. One would assume, is it based on a Hans Christian Andersen story?
1:33:26 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:33:27 Speaker 03 Oh, the Netherlands.
1:33:27 Sean Fennessey? So you would think it would be, yes.
1:33:29 Amanda Dobbins? Well, I thought Denmark? I thought that was a Danish situation. Yeah, respect to all of Northern Europe. We understand you and see you. This is a song that also rhymes bright young women with sick of swimming, ready to stand, and ready to know what the, I mean, listen.
1:33:47 Speaker 03 That's Warcraft.
1:33:47 Amanda Dobbins? It's a rallying cry. Um, I, when I, when Knox was first born and I would like try to sing him to sleep, I realized that there are not that many songs that I can do like acapella every single word to.
1:33:59 Speaker 03 From memory, yeah.
1:34:00 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, but it's, um, Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You, which I know because of Heath Ledger, and 10 Things I Hate About You, and then It's Part Of Your World. Anyway, Little Mermaid just absolute, like, you know, exploded through pre-K and kindergarten. Were we running around on the playground doing the, like, you know, the ah, because Ursula, the evil octopus wants Ariel's voice. It's not a great thing to teach young women, you know, which is that you trade your voice and your sense of self in order to be able to go like, chase a random prince.
1:34:35 Sean Fennessey? Well, it's a mistake.
1:34:36 Amanda Dobbins? Well, she makes a mistake, sure. Yeah.
1:34:39 Sean Fennessey? She has a trial.
1:34:40 Amanda Dobbins? She does.
1:34:40 Sean Fennessey? Like all the great characters, as Joseph Campbell taught us.
1:34:43 Amanda Dobbins? You know, it's her priorities could use some work. It's, she's, and she's also that song.
1:34:48 Sean Fennessey? She's doing it for a man.
1:34:49 Amanda Dobbins? Part Of Your World is sung in a cave, in a cavern.
1:34:53 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:34:53 Amanda Dobbins? Of stuff.
1:34:54 Speaker 03 It's hard for me to visualize and also tell this story to myself while you're, I'm trying to, I'm trying to put my, wrap my head around it.
1:35:01 Amanda Dobbins? So it's like an underwater cave that sort of looks like an underwater Guggenheim.
1:35:05 Speaker 03 Uh huh.
1:35:05 Amanda Dobbins? And she has like, she collects forks, she collects like, like any human object that makes it to the underworld. Cause she's really interested in life outside of the, anyway.
1:35:16 Sean Fennessey? I just wanna say.
1:35:17 Amanda Dobbins? Powerful film.
1:35:18 Sean Fennessey? This is a great movie.
1:35:19 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:35:19 Sean Fennessey? And, um, I was exposed to this movie. I did not see it in theaters at seven years old, even though I love Disney films to this day. Because I have a sister who's two years younger than me. And my sister Cara, this movie was ran her life.
1:35:34 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:35:35 Sean Fennessey? When I was a little kid. And it's so funny because obviously my daughter loves this movie as well. I know all the words to every song because of my daughter now. But it's like they came back to me after having a 30 year rest.
1:35:45 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah.
1:35:46 Sean Fennessey? And two things about that. One, God, every day, my daughter reminds me of my sister Cara so much. They look exactly the same. They have the same attitude about things. It's so weird. Anyway, the other thing is that there's a great documentary, if people have never seen it, called Howard on Disney Plus, which is about Howard Ashman, who was one of the producers of The Little Mermaid and wrote a lot of the songs. And he wrote the songs for, some of the songs for Beauty and the Beast. He wrote some of the songs for Little Shop of Horrors. And you can see him in this documentary, teaching the performers in these films, the way to deliver these songs. And it is amazing.
1:36:24 Amanda Dobbins? Is it on Disney Plus or?
1:36:25 Sean Fennessey? It's on Disney Plus. Yeah, it's really good. It came out, it definitely, it came out during COVID, I want to say, 2018, actually. But I would highly recommend, if you like The Little Mermaid.
1:36:32 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:36:32 Sean Fennessey? Checking out this documentary.
1:36:33 Amanda Dobbins? I do. Incredible. Thank you. I don't know if you'll ever see it, but.
1:36:38 Speaker 03 I mean, I'll probably see The Little Mermaid before I see this documentary about the guy writing the songs.
1:36:41 Sean Fennessey? Probably. But if you want to see him teach Jerry Orbach how to sing like a candelabra, then I would recommend it. I have a whole Lumiere take too, but I'll save that.
1:36:52 Amanda Dobbins? Have you seen Beauty and the Beast?
1:36:54 Speaker 03 No.
1:36:55 Sean Fennessey? This is the one, by the way, that re-ignites, that starts the new Disney golden age.
1:37:00 Speaker 03 Was this one of the, was this still in the era of Disney movies where it was like available for a limited time and then it goes back on the shelf? Like there was a scarcity practice?
1:37:09 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, they had the very famous clamshell VHS tapes. We definitely own this in my house.
1:37:14 Amanda Dobbins? We didn't have the clamshell, but.
1:37:16 Speaker 03 So I have wild card left.
1:37:17 Amanda Dobbins? No, I have one.
1:37:18 Sean Fennessey? One more for me.
1:37:19 Speaker 03 You have wild card left.
1:37:20 Amanda Dobbins? This is, this is the easiest wild card that I've ever, I've ever wild carded.
1:37:26 Amanda Dobbins? I'm not, I'm not going to do like two movie recitations in a row. I'm doing two Beverly Hills. And I was gonna do Beverly Hills, what a thrill. Beverly Hills. I saw this movie at Alice Johnson's birthday party, so it must have been like a sixth birthday, seventh birthday. Alice Johnson, who was a good friend of mine at school, and she was the girls' valedictorian in my high school because my high school was so.
1:37:49 Sean Fennessey? And you guys weren't rivals.
1:37:51 Amanda Dobbins? That we, no, no, no, no.
1:37:52 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:37:52 Speaker 03 Oh, you guys.
1:37:53 Amanda Dobbins? I should have been.
1:37:54 Sean Fennessey? You were the, the boys valedictorian.
1:37:55 Amanda Dobbins? So I should, no, my high school boyfriend was, obviously.
1:37:57 Sean Fennessey? Wow.
1:37:58 Amanda Dobbins? I should have been salutatorian.
1:38:00 Speaker 03 So he's cool.
1:38:01 Amanda Dobbins? I should have been salutatorian, but let me tell you something, they waited honors classes and AP classes the same. So someone snuck in that, uh, yeah.
1:38:09 Speaker 03 Do you and Alice don't talk, or was that the end of that?
1:38:12 Amanda Dobbins? It's fine, it's fine.
1:38:13 Sean Fennessey? Okay, but you were not competitive with Alice.
1:38:15 Amanda Dobbins? No.
1:38:15 Sean Fennessey? You were competitive with this other girl who snuck her way to salutatorian.
1:38:19 Amanda Dobbins? I wasn't even competitive with her. It was just kind of like, let's, let's be real, okay?
1:38:23 Sean Fennessey? Got it, got it.
1:38:24 Amanda Dobbins? But that's fine.
1:38:24 Sean Fennessey? It was an I don't think about you at all situation.
1:38:26 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I don't.
1:38:27 Speaker 03 Which you clearly don't.
1:38:28 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, or you have not thought, really remembered it at all either.
1:38:31 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, I just don't think that that's fair mathematically, but that's whatever.
1:38:35 Sean Fennessey? Wow.
1:38:35 Amanda Dobbins? Uh, Alice.
1:38:36 Sean Fennessey? Do you think that maybe Trump could do something about this, retroactively? Or like, should we take it to the courts?
1:38:42 Amanda Dobbins? Alice Johnson is great in my book because she took AP classes and also she, uh, taught me about True Beverly Hills, which is an absolutely delightful, I saw it before I saw Clueless, so it, it, that Los Angeles of True Beverly Hills, which includes the sleepover at the Beverly Hills Hotel, looms large in my mind. The, um, it reflects a similar relationship to, I guess, scouting groups that I had in my own life.
1:39:13 Sean Fennessey? You were a girl scout?
1:39:14 Amanda Dobbins? No, I was, no, I couldn't be a part of that. Can you imagine me doing one of the, like, the, the wilderness girls, like, trial or whatever and selling the?
1:39:22 Sean Fennessey? Hard to believe you didn't make Salutatorian with that attitude.
1:39:28 Speaker 03 I primarily know this movie because of Jenny Lewis.
1:39:30 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah.
1:39:31 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, and Carla Gugino.
1:39:32 Amanda Dobbins? Carla, yeah.
1:39:33 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. The, the, the seeds of all of our beloved actors and singers.
1:39:38 Amanda Dobbins? Great movie.
1:39:38 Sean Fennessey? Shelley Long, another person who was like insanely famous in 1989, and now if you ask the 25-year-old, who's Shelley Long, they would have no idea.
1:39:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, but like 51 million people watched her once a week.
1:39:49 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:39:50 Sean Fennessey? Yes, this is, this is probably in the top five movies all time for Eileen.
1:39:55 Amanda Dobbins? It's
1:39:56 Sean Fennessey? I think she's probably seen it more than any movie.
1:39:57 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, of course. I still need, I need one of the, the books with a camera built into it. You know, I think I even like tried to make one at some point.
1:40:05 Sean Fennessey? Remember that scene, but
1:40:06 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, well, that's how the assistant goes undercover with True Beverly Hills. And takes, you know, reports back to the mean red feathers.
1:40:16 Sean Fennessey? I see.
1:40:17 Amanda Dobbins? And head of the wilderness girls.
1:40:19 Sean Fennessey? Interesting. Okay, Chris, you've got Wild Card.
1:40:22 Speaker 03 Uh huh. There's a lot of really, really, really
1:40:25 Sean Fennessey? So much left.
1:40:26 Speaker 03 Good movies.
1:40:26 Sean Fennessey? Should this have been a mega movie draft in retrospect?
1:40:29 Speaker 03 Could have been, but I, I would have wanted to have done it in a like way that focused on the like third shelf down video rentals as a category. Cause I could, I'm really split on whether to pick something that's well regarded versus what I actually watched a lot in my life. I'll split the middle and just pick Major League for Wild Card.
1:40:48 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:40:49 Speaker 03 I have two baseball movies. How about that?
1:40:51 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:40:51 Speaker 03 Major League, one of my most beloved treasured movies from this era. Movie, one of the great baseball movies.
1:40:58 Sean Fennessey? Truly.
1:40:59 Speaker 03 Charlie Sheen, Tom Berenger, Dennis Haysbert, about Cleveland Indians season Wesley Snipes. That is where the owner wants the team to lose and the team refuses to do so. And goes on to win pennant, I believe.
1:41:13 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:41:14 Speaker 03 And just, I was just thinking about it because I was watching baseball last night. So it's like obviously on the mind. But just like a really, really great David Anspah movie that captures like not only, I, I, this movie is really hard to pull off. To have all these guys convincingly play baseball, to have like a, a professional sports fictional arc that comes off believable.
1:41:36 Sean Fennessey? That's the thing is it's taking place in the world of Major League Baseball, like the, the, the Cleveland Indians at the time and the Yankees are in the movie.
1:41:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:41:43 Sean Fennessey? You know, it feels like it's happening inside of the sport. That's something that you just don't see very often at this point, you know? Or if you do, it's like in draft day and they're talking about being the Browns, but they're not actually the Browns.
1:41:54 Sean Fennessey? I watched this movie 500 times. I think this movie is so great and so fun. And also another one of those, like when you're a kid, a portal into being an adult.
1:42:04 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:42:04 Sean Fennessey? Like the relationship between, is it Rene Russo and Tom Berenger?
1:42:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:42:07 Sean Fennessey? Where I was like, that's what it's like. You date a woman like Rene Russo.
1:42:11 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:42:11 Sean Fennessey? And it's complicated, but you work it out. Those are relationships. Yeah, okay, really good pick. So that was the movie that I was going to say if I want to feel like I'm trying to win, like I would take that movie, right? Because everybody loves Major League. If you've seen Major League, you like Major League. If I'm being honest with myself. Okay. The movie that I should take is Roger and Me, which is Michael Moore's documentary. It's kind of exploration, very personal film about trying to find answers from the CEO of Ford Motor Company at a time in which that the car company was significantly downsizing. It's workforce and moving a lot of its work overseas. And it's the first Michael Moore movie.
1:42:53 Sean Fennessey? Like a lot of aspiring leftist kids in the 1990s, I got really interested in Michael Moore's movies. I've soured on some aspects of Michael Moore over the years, but I've always been very interested in him. I wrote a really long piece about him for The Ringer like eight or nine years ago, and just kind of how important his movies were to me. And this movie is just a fascinating example of how great documentary filmmaking can be, because this movie was a big hit. And it's very conventionally entertaining because it's so personal, because Michael Moore spends so much time talking about his family, his parents, his dad, who worked for the Ford Motor Company. Is it Ford or GM? I hope I'm not making.
1:43:30 Speaker 03 I can't remember.
1:43:31 Sean Fennessey? It might be General Motors. I'm sorry if I'm mixing those two up. But I. GM. It's GM, thank you.
1:43:41 Sean Fennessey? I don't.
1:43:43 Sean Fennessey? This is probably the first documentary I've ever seen, and it obviously made a huge impact on me.
1:43:49 Speaker 03 I wonder, it's like this, and it's almost like Do the Right Thing, probably changed the course of your life and the way you looked at the world kind of movie, even if you didn't see it in 89 or whatever.
1:43:58 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, yeah. And I still pop on the older ones, the first three or four Michael Moore movies, and I still have a lot of affection for them. I think that. As he, you know, after he won the best documentary feature film for, was it for Fahrenheit 9/11? And then Bowling for Columbine, and he became this like huge box office figure.
1:44:18 Amanda Dobbins? Right. And like, and a pop culture figure.
1:44:20 Sean Fennessey? Very much. And like a talk show host, or talk show guest all the time. He became very overexposed and I think that he's much more complicated now in the public eye than he was back then. But this is a big deal movie for me. So I'm gonna go with that.
1:44:32 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:44:33 Sean Fennessey? That's the end of our draft.
1:44:35 Amanda Dobbins? That's beautiful.
1:44:35 Sean Fennessey? We have many, many, many honorable mentions.
1:44:38 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
1:44:38 Sean Fennessey? To go through here because of how robust this year was. I'll start with a couple of like major films that just didn't get drafted.
1:44:46 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:44:47 Sean Fennessey? Gus Van Zandt's Drugstore Cowboy.
1:44:50 Sean Fennessey? One of, also one of the kind of signature independent films.
1:44:55 Sean Fennessey? Casualties of War.
1:44:56 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:44:56 Sean Fennessey? Brian De Palma's Vietnam film, which is just incredibly painful and difficult to watch.
1:45:01 Speaker 03 Is The Abyss 89?
1:45:02 Sean Fennessey? James Cameron's The Abyss is 1989, his, his first journey below.
1:45:07 Amanda Dobbins? De Palma's very charming in a Scorsese doc. I just.
1:45:10 Sean Fennessey? Absolutely.
1:45:11 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I just, I just, as soon as you said his name, I was like, oh, we didn't really talk about that, but really lovely.
1:45:16 Sean Fennessey? I mean, like an actual friend, yeah. But he's like kinda competitive with him still, you know?
1:45:20 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, it's great.
1:45:22 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I like that too. I thought long and hard about Miracle Mile. Have you ever seen that movie?
1:45:27 Speaker 03 I thought long and hard about Miracle Mile. Yeah.
1:45:29 Sean Fennessey? We're thinking long and hard about it now in the aftermath of House of Dynamite. Did you see House of Dynamite yet?
1:45:33 Speaker 03 I didn't. I will.
1:45:34 Amanda Dobbins? Okay. Yeah, we know, we, you know.
1:45:37 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:45:37 Amanda Dobbins? We, we know what you think.
1:45:38 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:45:39 Sean Fennessey? You're too busy watching The Cemetery Down by the Graveyard? Is that the name of that show?
1:45:43 Speaker 03 Cemetery Road. I will, I will see, I will see House of Dead. Wait.
1:45:47 Sean Fennessey? Crimes and misdemeanors, undrafted.
1:45:49 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:45:50 Sean Fennessey? No thoughts?
1:45:50 Speaker 03 Pretty amazing. Pretty amazing movie.
1:45:52 Sean Fennessey? Henry the Fifth?
1:45:54 Amanda Dobbins? Thought about it. I thought about trying to be cute and being like, well, there was a Henry the Fourth.
1:45:57 Speaker 03 I was gonna say, you could, I was gonna try and squeeze it into sequel. Um, there's something kind of crazy.
1:46:06 Sean Fennessey? What was Henry the Fourth like?
1:46:07 Speaker 03 Henry the Fourth, one and two, are like the young man Henry before. And there's parts of Henry the Fourth, part one and two, in Henry the Fifth, the movie.
1:46:16 Sean Fennessey? I see, okay.
1:46:18 Amanda Dobbins? And that's how? Yeah.
1:46:19 Speaker 03 Involve the Falstaff stuff. It's been wild because I feel like we're having a weird moment in pop culture where a bunch of the people from these movies are popping up and stuff. So Emma Thompson is in this series that you just dismerched. Daniel Day-Lewis, obviously in An Enemy. Like, just watching these people as very young actors.
1:46:41 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:46:42 Speaker 03 Still with us all these years later.
1:46:44 Sean Fennessey? This is 36 years ago.
1:46:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:46:47 Sean Fennessey? There's several other films. I mean, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure is this year. That's, you know, critical movie. How to Get Ahead in Advertising is this year. The Burbs, Joe Dante's The Burbs, phenomenal movie. Uncle Buck. The War of the Roses? Maybe the biggest movie not drafted here today?
1:47:05 Amanda Dobbins? I thought about it, but, and we did a rewatchables on it. I like that movie. It's also by the time it had been, by the time I was old enough to see it, feel like it was a little outdated.
1:47:19 Sean Fennessey? I see.
1:47:19 Amanda Dobbins? And.
1:47:20 Sean Fennessey? I still have not seen The Roses.
1:47:21 Amanda Dobbins? Nor have I, I was about to say, but I got an email that it's coming to streaming at some point.
1:47:24 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:47:27 Sean Fennessey? Weekend at Bernie's?
1:47:29 Speaker 03 I gotta tell you, I think I may have seen Weekend at Bernie's more than any other movie in my life.
1:47:35 Sean Fennessey? I think the only movie I've seen more than Weekend at Bernie's is Weekend at Bernie's 2.
1:47:37 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:47:38 Sean Fennessey? Which was also on cable quite a bit, growing up.
1:47:40 Speaker 03 Andrew McCarthy in Weekend at Bernie's is a powerhouse performance.
1:47:44 Sean Fennessey? Is it?
1:47:44 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's up there with My Left Foot, Daniel Day-Lewis.
1:47:49 Speaker 03 Gleaming the Cube, big Slater movie for me.
1:47:54 Speaker 03 Police Academy 6, City Under Siege.
1:47:56 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
1:47:58 Speaker 03 Where's the Citizens on Patrol? I think this is Citizens on Patrol.
1:48:01 Sean Fennessey? Police Academy 6 is City Under Siege.
1:48:03 Speaker 03 Okay, sorry.
1:48:04 Sean Fennessey? But you just referenced it as though it were My Left Foot. And you're like, Police Academy 6, City Under Siege, of course, in the canon, one of the great films.
1:48:12 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:48:13 Sean Fennessey? Certainly a movie I saw a lot. Police Academy, Major League, Look Who's Talking.
1:48:17 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:48:18 Sean Fennessey? All of these, Honey, I Shrunk the Kids, Weekend at Bernie's. These are movies that I saw over and over and over again.
1:48:24 Amanda Dobbins? But I prefer both Look Who's Talking 2 because.
1:48:28 Sean Fennessey? That's when there's two kids.
1:48:29 Amanda Dobbins? And also the animals, right?
1:48:32 Sean Fennessey? Uh, I thought three was.
1:48:34 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, is it three of the animals?
1:48:35 Sean Fennessey? Now?
1:48:36 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, you're right. Okay. Well, anyway, the, the numbers, you know.
1:48:39 Sean Fennessey? Is it, is it Roseanne in Look Who's Talking Two as the other voice? It's Bruce Willis isn't the first one, right? He's the baby.
1:48:45 Amanda Dobbins? Two. Okay, let's see. Yes. And then.
1:48:48 Sean Fennessey? I can't, I, I have not revisited. Look Who's Talking, right? Amy Heckerling.
1:48:51 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, Amy Heckerling. So we need to respect it. Let's see.
1:48:53 Sean Fennessey? Fucking sensation. Huge hit.
1:48:55 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, it is Roseanne. You're right. And then.
1:48:57 Sean Fennessey? I remember.
1:48:57 Amanda Dobbins? And then the third one is the, anyway, I think Look Who's Talking Two is better than Look Who's Talking.
1:49:01 Sean Fennessey? So crazy.
1:49:02 Amanda Dobbins? What?
1:49:03 Sean Fennessey? I don't want to spoil this, but in a movie that, that is coming out later this year, there's like a Look Who's Talking homage. Uh. Is it in Ripped? I don't want, I don't want to spoil it.
1:49:11 Amanda Dobbins? Have I seen it?
1:49:11 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. I don't want to spoil it. I mean, it may not be purposeful, but it's something that is represented in the both, in that film, this upcoming film and the original film. Is it in Hamlet?
1:49:19 Amanda Dobbins? Um.
1:49:20 Sean Fennessey? It is not.
1:49:21 Amanda Dobbins? Okay. Well, now I'm trying to think about what it is.
1:49:23 Sean Fennessey? I don't want to spoil it for anybody. Cause I loved it. And I don't even know how intentional it was, but if it was intentional, that's fucking sick.
1:49:28 Amanda Dobbins? That's really funny. And then, wait, no, no, but then also, I also feel that Honey, I Blew Up the Kids.
1:49:33 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:49:33 Amanda Dobbins? Is better than Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. Because the giant baby just, you know.
1:49:37 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:49:38 Amanda Dobbins? I, I have a lot of affection for giant babies, given my own, but, um, I mean, there is a real psy quality to that kid.
1:49:44 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:49:45 Amanda Dobbins? Just like, like, where do I go?
1:49:47 Sean Fennessey? Honey, I Shrunk the Kids was cool as a kid.
1:49:48 Amanda Dobbins? It was cool.
1:49:49 Sean Fennessey? It was a cool movie.
1:49:49 Amanda Dobbins? I also, I think that on the, the one time that we went to Disney World, which was lovely, I loved Disney World. I went when I was seven. And there was also, I don't know which other park had the Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.
1:50:04 Sean Fennessey? Universal, probably.
1:50:05 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, like.
1:50:06 Sean Fennessey? Or MGM or whatever it was. I thought it was Disney. I thought that was a Touchstone movie. I could be wrong.
1:50:11 Amanda Dobbins? I have a vivid memories of like a Honey, I Shrunk the Kids branded, like, extended jungle gym. Where you would run through everything and everything was much bigger than you and you were the small kid. And that's like, that's what stayed with me even more than Space Mountain.
1:50:25 Sean Fennessey? Honey, I Shrunk the Kids was Walt Disney and Buena Vista Pictures.
1:50:29 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:50:31 Sean Fennessey? Okay, a few more to go through. The Adventures of Baron Munchausen.
1:50:34 Speaker 03 Terry Gilliam.
1:50:35 Sean Fennessey? Terry Gilliam movie, of course. Cinema Paradiso was released in America in this year and it was nominated for Best Foreign Language Film.
1:50:42 Speaker 03 I see you're going on the arthouse track here. Can I shout out Jim Jarmusch's Mystery Train?
1:50:46 Sean Fennessey? Yes, one of the best.
1:50:47 Speaker 03 One of the great, like, cultural mixtapes, because like it introduced me to a bunch of different stuff that I had no idea about, like Screaming Jay Hawkins and Rockabilly. And it's just an incredible hangout movie that I think is on Criterion Channel.
1:51:01 Sean Fennessey? It is. I just saw Father, Mother, Sister, Brother, his new film, which is like Mystery Train, an anthology movie. Sorry to Amanda about that. I thought it was great. I really, really, really liked it. And it has a lot of, it has some Mystery Train echoes. There was a Q and A after the screening with Jim and.
1:51:20 Speaker 03 Was Driver there?
1:51:22 Sean Fennessey? Driver was not there. I'll tell you who was there watching the film with me was Charlie XCX. She was in the screening room and she seemed to enjoy it.
1:51:30 Speaker 03 Did she dap you up and say, I respect your work?
1:51:33 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, she said, what's up, homie? It's me again. And I said, thank you for Brett. Other films.
1:51:40 Amanda Dobbins? You didn't like Brett. You didn't. I thought it was fine. I remember. I was there. You were like, I listened to the first part and I don't need to go through with it.
1:51:47 Sean Fennessey? Because it was a female musician? What was the issue?
1:51:50 Speaker 03 That's the problem.
1:51:50 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, okay. No One Drifts in My Left Foot, which I was gonna discuss on any of the episodes. It's like, it's pretty good.
1:51:56 Amanda Dobbins? That's fine, yeah.
1:51:57 Sean Fennessey? Glory?
1:51:58 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:51:59 Speaker 03 Probably hasn't aged great.
1:52:00 Amanda Dobbins? No.
1:52:01 Sean Fennessey? I've seen it at least a few times because of school. The White Gaze?
1:52:05 Speaker 03 Yeah. The gaze Z of the whites.
1:52:09 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. What's the, what about it?
1:52:12 Speaker 03 It just hasn't aged well.
1:52:14 Sean Fennessey? The White Gaze of that film?
1:52:15 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:52:16 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:52:16 Speaker 03 The White Gaze Z in general.
1:52:19 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:52:19 Speaker 03 Has not aged great either.
1:52:21 Sean Fennessey? Interesting.
1:52:21 Speaker 03 Try to mix it up a little bit.
1:52:23 Amanda Dobbins? And here we all are.
1:52:23 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Fair enough. Interesting points were made. Have you guys seen A Dry White Season?
1:52:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:52:30 Amanda Dobbins? No.
1:52:31 Sean Fennessey? This is a courtroom thriller.
1:52:36 Sean Fennessey? That actually, didn't it garner Marlon Brando an Academy Award nomination? I believe that it did.
1:52:43 Sean Fennessey? Yes, he was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor. Uh, Eugene Paulsy is the director of this movie and it's also set in South Africa during apartheid. It's kind of a, would be an interesting double feature with Lethal Weapon 2.
1:52:55 Speaker 03 That's right, yeah, a diplomatic community.
1:52:58 Sean Fennessey? Uh, more, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, not a huge fan of that one. A Nightmare on Elm Street, The Dream Child. Not the, not the best. Halloween V: The Revenge of Michael Myers, a film that should be deleted.
1:53:09 Speaker 03 It stinks, yeah. I'd rather watch Six, which is the Paul Rudd one, right?
1:53:13 Sean Fennessey? I don't like Six very much either, but-
1:53:15 Speaker 03 But I'd rather watch it than-
1:53:15 Sean Fennessey? Halloween Resurrection, is that Six?
1:53:17 Speaker 03 No, Resurrection is the reality show, correct?
1:53:21 Speaker 04 Resurrection is after H2O.
1:53:24 Sean Fennessey? Okay, so what is Six?
1:53:25 Speaker 03 Six is the one where Paul Rudd plays Tommy and they're like syringing-
1:53:29 Sean Fennessey? Halloween films?
1:53:30 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, okay, sorry.
1:53:30 Speaker 03 They're taking like the syringe of juice out of Michael Myers.
1:53:33 Sean Fennessey? Yes, I remember.
1:53:34 Speaker 03 I think that's Six.
1:53:35 Sean Fennessey? But what's it called?
1:53:36 Speaker 03 The Curse-
1:53:37 Speaker 04 Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers.
1:53:38 Sean Fennessey? The Curse of Michael Myers, damn.
1:53:40 Speaker 04 Also quite bad.
1:53:42 Sean Fennessey? It is. There's like a five consecutive bad movie run for the Halloween films.
1:53:47 Speaker 03 Well, it depends on how you feel about Season of the Witch.
1:53:50 Sean Fennessey? No, I wouldn't include that. I think Four is okay. I think Five, Six, Seven, and Eight are bad. I know you like H2O. I know some people really like H2O. I don't care for H2O. I wanna touch you.
1:54:02 Sean Fennessey? Friday the 13th, Part Eight, Jason Takes Manhattan, it's a no from me dog.
1:54:06 Speaker 03 Yes, but it comes at the end of a very fertile run for the Friday the 13th project.
1:54:13 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, what hap- yeah, what happens in those?
1:54:15 Speaker 03 Well, there's a telekinetic young girl-
1:54:17 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, sure.
1:54:17 Speaker 03 -who attacks Jason.
1:54:20 Amanda Dobbins? Great.
1:54:20 Speaker 03 Speaking-
1:54:21 Sean Fennessey? Kind of Amanda vibes on that girl.
1:54:22 Speaker 03 Female stories, women empowerment, yeah.
1:54:25 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, center her. Don't center Jason.
1:54:27 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:54:28 Sean Fennessey? Fletch Lives? I don't think I've seen it.
1:54:31 Amanda Dobbins? I don't think I have either.
1:54:31 Sean Fennessey? I don't think so.
1:54:32 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:54:33 Sean Fennessey? I don't remember ever seeing it. Should I see it?
1:54:36 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know. I haven't, so I can't recommend it.
1:54:38 Sean Fennessey? Uh, The Fly 2?
1:54:40 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:54:40 Speaker 03 Oh.
1:54:41 Amanda Dobbins? Alright.
1:54:41 Sean Fennessey? Not ideal.
1:54:42 Speaker 03 The Package?
1:54:43 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I like that movie. That's Gene Hackman and Ann Archer.
1:54:47 Speaker 03 It's Andrew Davis, right?
1:54:48 Sean Fennessey? Andrew Davis directed.
1:54:49 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah!
1:54:49 Sean Fennessey? And, uh, he is investigating someone being murdered. It's a little bit of a confusing...
1:54:58 Speaker 03 It's like a spy story, too, right?
1:54:59 Sean Fennessey? Is it JT Walsh who's murdered in the first few minutes?
1:55:02 Speaker 03 Damn spoiler.
1:55:04 Sean Fennessey? Well, it happens like the first minute.
1:55:05 Speaker 03 When JT goes out in a movie, you know it's a good one.
1:55:06 Sean Fennessey? I agree. If JT Walsh gets shot in the head, A+ film.
1:55:11 Amanda Dobbins? No one has said the word Steel Magnolias at any point.
1:55:14 Speaker 03 Wow!
1:55:15 Sean Fennessey? Wow!
1:55:16 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, we said diabetes, but we didn't say Steel Magnolias.
1:55:19 Speaker 03 I made a joke about it. I was, I was like, I was wondering if you were gonna take it. Are you a fan of this film?
1:55:23 Amanda Dobbins? No, not really.
1:55:24 Sean Fennessey? You've said that before. I find that interesting. For all your Julia fandom and your quest for empowerment.
1:55:29 Amanda Dobbins? Sure, yeah, everyone's really...
1:55:30 Speaker 03 And your interest in beauty?
1:55:31 Amanda Dobbins? Right, yeah, everyone's really empowered in that one, yeah.
1:55:35 Speaker 03 Who's like, is it Tom Skerritt is the dad in this?
1:55:38 Amanda Dobbins? Sounds right.
1:55:39 Speaker 03 And Sam Shepard is Dolly Parton's boyfriend?
1:55:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I mean, that's important.
1:55:44 Speaker 03 Who's kind of a bad guy, but then really shows up at the end?
1:55:46 Amanda Dobbins? Sure, yeah.
1:55:46 Speaker 03 When Shelby doesn't drink her juice?
1:55:49 Sean Fennessey? You know what's a film I haven't seen?
1:55:51 Amanda Dobbins? What?
1:55:51 Sean Fennessey? Music Box, which is stars Jessica Lange. She got a Academy Award nomination for this movie. It's her and Armin Mueller-Stahl. And it's about a Hungarian immigrant played by Mueller-Stahl, who is accused of being a war criminal. It starts with Kostigovras, directed Z and State of Siege, plenty of good movies. And, um, it's written by Joe Esterhaus.
1:56:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:56:15 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:56:16 Sean Fennessey? Of Basic Instinct.
1:56:17 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I'm aware.
1:56:18 Sean Fennessey? Sliver. Perhaps you've heard of him?
1:56:20 Speaker 03 I was gonna throw out, uh, along those same lines is a movie that I watched a bit of, and I think I saw when I was younger, but, or like on cable or something, but I watched a bit of last night, which is True Believer, which is a Curtis Hansen movie with James Woods and Robert Downey Jr., uh, about a defense attorney taking on an unwinnable case.
1:56:40 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, sure.
1:56:41 Speaker 03 Kind of like his attempt at, like, the verdict, but it was pretty good what I watched of it. Um, there was one other, Morgan Freeman Lean on Me. That was a huge movie that year.
1:56:51 Sean Fennessey? I loved that movie.
1:56:51 Speaker 03 Yeah, um, and...
1:56:55 Speaker 03 Harlem Nights, really awesome. And then Tango and Cash.
1:56:59 Sean Fennessey? I can't believe you didn't, did this, maybe it came out in 1990. Did The Unbelievable Truth come out in 1990 in the US?
1:57:07 Speaker 03 I don't know.
1:57:07 Amanda Dobbins? The Hal Hartley movie?
1:57:08 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. It's listed as 89, but its release date might have been 1990. Speaking of Long Island figures and growing up there.
1:57:16 Speaker 03 He is selling those on his site.
1:57:19 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, the Blu-ray of his films, yeah. Not all of them, though, I think. Only some of them, or maybe some of them are sold out. I think I might have bought a couple.
1:57:26 Speaker 03 It sounds like it was more of a 90 movie because it came out, it got to Sundance in 90.
1:57:30 Sean Fennessey? Okay. Couple of other ones. Jane Campion's Sweetie is this year. Brian Yezniz's Society, one of the most amazing body horror movies of all time is this year. See No Evil, Hear No Evil, another movie that was on cable nonstop. Is that the last prior and wilder movie? It might be.
1:57:48 Speaker 03 Are you a Blake Edwards guy?
1:57:49 Sean Fennessey? Sure.
1:57:50 Speaker 03 Skin Deep?
1:57:52 Sean Fennessey? Was that this year?
1:57:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:57:53 Sean Fennessey? Okay, that's pretty good. Let It Ride, incredible gambling comedy with Richard Dreyfuss. I wanted to recommend to listeners of the show Notebook on Cities and Clothes. Are you guys familiar with this?
1:58:05 Amanda Dobbins? No.
1:58:06 Sean Fennessey? Also a documentary made by Vim Venders about Yoji Yamamoto and All About Japan and Yoji's history as a fashion designer. Very, very good film. I think that's all I got.
1:58:19 Speaker 03 Should we recap?
1:58:20 Amanda Dobbins? No license to kill for you from your favorite Bond?
1:58:22 Speaker 03 Honestly, not a Dalton guy at all.
1:58:24 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, no, who is?
1:58:25 Speaker 03 I don't know, but he's really been lost to history. I wonder when that will get reclaimed.
1:58:30 Amanda Dobbins? Reclaimed.
1:58:31 Sean Fennessey? Pet Sematary.
1:58:33 Speaker 03 There's two Fred Gwynn movies I like this year. Disorganized Crime.
1:58:36 Sean Fennessey? Never seen it.
1:58:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:58:37 Sean Fennessey? Sea of Love?
1:58:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, that's obviously a cool text. I fucked up. I fucked up and I took.
1:58:44 Sean Fennessey? You took Field of Dreams. You could have taken Sea of Love.
1:58:45 Speaker 03 Or I took Roadhouse and I could have taken Sea of Love.
1:58:48 Sean Fennessey? Fucked up. That's rough. What about Dead Calm?
1:58:51 Speaker 03 That's a good one.
1:58:52 Sean Fennessey? Seen Dead Calm?
1:58:53 Amanda Dobbins? No.
1:58:54 Sean Fennessey? Nicole Kidman is trapped on a boat with her husband Sam Neill and a deranged guy, Billy Zane.
1:59:02 Amanda Dobbins? Yes!
1:59:03 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:59:03 Amanda Dobbins? So.
1:59:03 Sean Fennessey? Incredible film.
1:59:04 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, really, really.
1:59:05 Sean Fennessey? Great thriller.
1:59:07 Speaker 03 Sam Neill was only in fucked up movies.
1:59:09 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:59:09 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:59:09 Speaker 03 At this time period.
1:59:10 Sean Fennessey? Yes. Jurassic Park, probably the most fucked up movie ever made. They fucking invented dinosaurs.
1:59:15 Speaker 03 What was the Wes Craven? No, the John Carpenter that he's in.
1:59:17 Sean Fennessey? In the Mouth of Madness. A plus film, five star classic. He's also in Possession, of course.
1:59:25 Sean Fennessey? This is a fuck ton of good movies this year.
1:59:27 Amanda Dobbins? It was great stuff.
1:59:28 Sean Fennessey? You guys have any closing thoughts before we wrap?
1:59:31 Speaker 03 I enjoyed myself.
1:59:32 Sean Fennessey? Okay, why don't, Amanda, you had first pick, so why don't you start off the recapping?
1:59:36 Amanda Dobbins? So am I reading from, am I reading drama, comedy, action, or I'm reading the order of what?
1:59:40 Sean Fennessey? I mean, live your truth.
1:59:41 Amanda Dobbins? In blockbuster, I have one, Harry Met Sally. In action horror thriller, Ghostbusters 2. In comedy, Heathers. In drama, Born on the Fourth of July. In sequel, I believe I have National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, though the camera is blocking it. I don't know what's in round five.
1:59:58 Speaker 03 Little Mermaid.
1:59:58 Amanda Dobbins? Little Mermaid. In Oscar nominee and in, am I, am I missing something?
2:00:03 Speaker 03 Beverly Hills.
2:00:04 Amanda Dobbins? Well, that's wild card. I just didn't know whether I covered everything.
2:00:06 Sean Fennessey? You did, you did. Everything's gonna be okay.
2:00:09 Amanda Dobbins? I can't see, you know?
2:00:11 Sean Fennessey? You've done a great job.
2:00:11 Amanda Dobbins? Thank you.
2:00:12 Sean Fennessey? You're a working mother. You're getting through it.
2:00:14 Speaker 03 You fucking love Star Wars.
2:00:17 Sean Fennessey? You've learned a lot about Master Chief today. This has been helpful.
2:00:20 Amanda Dobbins? Sure.
2:00:22 Speaker 03 In my first pick, I took Do the Right Thing in drama. In my second pick, I took Field of Dreams, an Oscar nominee. Third, I took Dead Poets Society in blockbuster.
2:00:34 Amanda Dobbins? Comedy? No, blockbuster, you're right.
2:00:36 Speaker 03 I took Parenthood fourth in comedy.
2:00:39 Amanda Dobbins? You have Lethal Weapon in sequel, you have Road House, sure.
2:00:43 Sean Fennessey? It's kind of a nice microcosm of some of our studio issues here.
2:00:46 Amanda Dobbins? Road House in action horror thriller, and you have Major League and Wildcard.
2:00:50 Speaker 03 That's right.
2:00:50 Amanda Dobbins? There you go.
2:00:50 Sean Fennessey? Okay, you're gonna have to help me on the bottom as well, Amanda, but in action, in action horror thriller, I got Tim Burton's Batman. In sequel, I got Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. In Oscar nominee, I got Sex, Lies and Videotape. In comedy, I got Say Anything.
2:01:07 Speaker 03 You had Back to the Future Part Two in sequel, Fabulous Baker Boys in drama.
2:01:11 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
2:01:11 Speaker 03 And Roger and Me.
2:01:12 Amanda Dobbins? And Wildcard.
2:01:13 Sean Fennessey? Great.
2:01:15 Sean Fennessey? Back to the Future Part Two in blockbuster.
2:01:17 Speaker 03 Sorry.
2:01:18 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
2:01:19 Speaker 03 Well, we could, next time, we'll just do it the other way.
2:01:21 Sean Fennessey? Next time, we will do it with no cameras. And we won't record it.
2:01:25 Speaker 03 And no notes.
2:01:26 Sean Fennessey? And we'll just sit here quietly.
2:01:27 Speaker 03 And we'll be like, we're in the forties.
2:01:31 Sean Fennessey? And everyone will say, where's the new draft? And we said, we did it for us.
2:01:35 Speaker 03 Great to see you guys. This was a pleasure.
2:01:36 Sean Fennessey? So you are leaving for six months.
2:01:39 Speaker 03 For two weeks.
2:01:39 Sean Fennessey? And you're not coming back.
2:01:40 Speaker 03 For two weeks.
2:01:41 Amanda Dobbins? We're gonna miss you.
2:01:41 Speaker 03 I hope that the air traffic controllers are kinda on their, you know, I hope.
2:01:46 Sean Fennessey? Are you gonna say on their best behavior?
2:01:47 Speaker 03 No, get paid.
2:01:48 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
2:01:49 Speaker 03 And are happy and safe and.
2:01:52 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, pay them.
2:01:53 Speaker 03 Seeing all the sightlines.
2:01:54 Sean Fennessey? Okay. That was very convincing.
2:01:59 Sean Fennessey? What are we doing later this week? Later this week, we have number six on 25 for 25.
2:02:03 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah.
2:02:04 Sean Fennessey? How do you feel about that?
2:02:05 Amanda Dobbins? I feel good about it. I gotta do some prep.
2:02:08 Sean Fennessey? Yes, I do as well. Not one to be taken lightly is number six, is what I will say.
2:02:13 Amanda Dobbins? You wanna guess what it is, Chris?
2:02:14 Speaker 03 Rise of Skywalker.
2:02:15 Sean Fennessey? That's it. Thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Thanks to CR, the goat. Appreciate you, brother. We'll see you soon.
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