JOHN WILSON Talks Concrete, Getting Jumped, and Avatar

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:29Adam Friedland?

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• 0:52Speaker 02

  The festival that I was at set up a concrete walking tour of Warsaw. And we went to this one neighborhood. They were like, you know, this is a Jewish neighborhood and it was leveled. And when they rebuilt it, they used the ground up bones of the Jews to make the concrete.

• 1:09Adam Friedland?

  Okay.

• 1:10Speaker 02

  And but then they added like another like really off color comment where they were like, rumor has it that people live in these buildings will like often see the ghosts of Jewish people when they're going to sleep.

• 1:23Adam Friedland?

  Oh, no.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  But only if they're late on the rent. What? I was like, this is like the most classic like anti-Semitism. I'm like.

• 2:06Adam Friedland?

  My guest this week is filmmaker John Wilson. John's new film, The History of Concrete, is in theaters now. On review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes, user N E T says five stars. Avatar, colon, the way of the water is pure cinematography. The visual effects, the setting, the action for me is perfection. Definitely one of my favorite movies. Sadly, Ms. T has yet to review The History of Concrete.

• 2:32Adam Friedland?

  But Annie, take this as your sign to watch the film. It's great. And if you're in Denver, Colorado, please come and see me at Comedy Works Downtown, the 22nd to the 24th of October. And next month, November 13th, I'll be at Town Hall, New York Comedy Festival, the big one. Please enjoy my conversation with John Wilson.

• 2:55Adam Friedland?

  Filmmaker, documentarian, John Wilson. Everyone give it up for him.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 3:02Adam Friedland?

  How are you?

• 3:03Speaker 02

  Just like that. We're starting like that?

• 3:05Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, I guess so.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:06Adam Friedland?

  We do like, if you want, we do like a Baba Booey kind of like interview thing, like Howard on E.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:13Adam Friedland?

  If you want, we're like, we follow you down the hallway with a camera.

• 3:16Speaker 02

  Oh, no, that's okay.

• 3:17Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  I don't think we need that.

• 3:19Adam Friedland?

  I don't want to start here, but you obviously have a connection to Great American Tragedy, terrorist tragedy. It's gonna be a story which I believe is.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  I can't believe you're bringing this up.

• 3:32Adam Friedland?

  Is the greatest story anyone ever told me. John, John, the way you told me the story too. I was, I forgot where we were. I've, I've, John and I have met numerous times, like.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:44Adam Friedland?

  You meekly said, I was a victim of the Boston bomber, which is the best way to phrase it.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  Well, by like one of his good friends.

• 3:54Adam Friedland?

  It wasn't Tamerlan Sarnyev, I thought.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, his, I mean, yeah, I don't know where you want to start with this story.

• 4:03Adam Friedland?

  To back up, John says.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, how do, what do you think happened?

• 4:05Adam Friedland?

  He says, I was a victim of the Boston bomber. I said, you were in the Patriots' Day bombing. And you said, no, I was assaulted by.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  I was assaulted by his best friend in 2009, 2010.

• 4:23Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  Maybe. Um, yeah, it was very odd. I was like living in Cambridge in, you know, Massachusetts at the time. And I was just out for a night with a bunch of friends. And then we were in a 7-Eleven parking lot. And this guy got out of his car because one of my friends hit the back of his car because he almost hit us. And then he got out and just started beating all of us up. And you know, it was like.

• 4:58Adam Friedland?

  Wait, one guy like?

• 4:59Speaker 02

  There were two guys, but the main guy.

• 5:02Adam Friedland?

  Of course, he was a trained boxer, so I'm just putting that out there.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was in MMA. We later found out that he was like a, like a really big MMA guy, but.

• 5:11Adam Friedland?

  Oh, Tamerlan's friend.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  Tamerlan's friend.

• 5:13Adam Friedland?

  Okay.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. So he punched me in the face and then punched another friend, gave him a fat lip. And there were just like eyeglasses everywhere. It was, you know, embarrassing. But then the cops, the guy in 7-Eleven calls the cops on him. And then the cops come immediately and pull him over like a block away. And then he tries to assault a police officer. And then they pepper spray him and arrest him. And then I'm getting like calls from the Boston Police Department, Cambridge Police Department for months afterwards, asking if I want to like press charges against him.

• 5:56Adam Friedland?

  And you dropped the charges.

• 5:57Speaker 02

  And I said, no, I don't care.

• 5:59Adam Friedland?

  So it's yours.

• 6:01Speaker 02

  And so, but then like the final call I get from the cops is that the case has been dropped because the guy that beat us up was murdered. And they couldn't tell us anything else, you know? And then fast forward like a few months later. And it turned out that he was murdered by Tamerlan Sarnyev. Allegedly, you know, like throat slit. And him and his friends in this, you know, I think it was in Watertown, maybe Massachusetts. And their bodies were covered in money and weed.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  It was like kind of an, it seemed like kind of an honor killing.

• 6:49Adam Friedland?

  Oh, kind of like a gundog saints.

• 6:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:52Adam Friedland?

  They put quarters on their eye.

• 6:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, it felt like ritualized somehow or like, but and then, again, I'm condensing a lot here. But, but, but then it turned out, yeah, they found out that Tamerlan murdered that guy right before the Boston bombing happened. And I don't know, through the butterfly effect in my head, I feel like.

• 7:22Adam Friedland?

  You pressed charges?

• 7:23Speaker 02

  Had I maybe pressed charges against this guy? I don't know. Or maybe, like, maybe there was like a lot of heat on this guy Brendan who beat us up like because of the 7-Eleven incident. And then Tamerlan like, uh, just kind of murked him, you know? It, I, a lot of this is just like speculation, but there's a whole book just called.

• 7:53Adam Friedland?

  It's John's fault.

• 7:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, called It's John's Fault by Marty Walsh.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  No, this Susan Zalkin, a journalist in Massachusetts. She wrote this book called The Brothers. And I think I'm mentioned in there at one point, but I haven't like seen that part of it. But yeah, it was like even published in like a book, this weird story.

• 8:16Adam Friedland?

  Total wimp, John Wilson.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  Has his glasses knocked off in a.

• 8:22Adam Friedland?

  His glasses.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  7-Eleven parking lot. And I also got like a big fat lip. I have a photo from that, from right after it happened that I could send you. It's pretty funny.

• 8:31Adam Friedland?

  Okay, let's relate this to your work. Like when you've, you have, I think especially making How To. And like, I think by extension, the new film, The History of Concrete. Let's get that out.

• 8:44Speaker 02

  Sure. It's very good. It's very good.

• 8:47Adam Friedland?

  Very good. I watched it last night. I would highly recommend it. Do you feel like there are convergences or serendipitous? I wouldn't say serendipity has a positive connotation. Do you think there are the weird things that happen to you when you're out and about? That kind of like, like the NXIVM thing?

• 9:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:04Adam Friedland?

  Like you being at an off the planet like thing and it being related, you know, like turning out that it was like, like run by cult.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  NXIVM group grooming seminar.

• 9:13Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 9:15Speaker 02

  I don't know. I, yeah, I mean, you could look at it in kind of a Forrest Gump, Mr. Bean kind of way. But I think also. I don't know. Yeah, I do feel kinda strange sometimes. It almost feels like these kind of, these things like happen like in very close proximity to me sometimes.

• 9:37Speaker 02

  But I just think when you're just like breaking your routine in general, like weird stuff just kind of happens to you.

• 9:45Speaker 02

  And I don't know, not everyone makes it into like a, into an.

• 9:50Adam Friedland?

  When you play in the Boston bombing.

• 9:52Speaker 02

  Into, yeah, memoir or, yeah, or, yeah, thinks that it has anything to do with the Boston bombing. But, yeah, it happens. I don't know. Probably shit's happened to you. Shit's happened to us. That was a funny night that we had.

• 10:04Adam Friedland?

  The best night of my life we shared. Listen.

• 10:08Speaker 02

  It was euphoric.

• 10:10Adam Friedland?

  You and I are both rational gentlemen. We believe in facts and logic, right?

• 10:15Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 10:15Adam Friedland?

  But like, I don't like it when people talk about the secret or the universe providing, right? I think that's all bupkis. But, but I was convinced that night that the magic of Mr. David Blaine is real. They're not illusions. It's real magic and.

• 10:34Speaker 02

  And I'm with you. I felt it was enchanting. It was kind of crazy what he did to us.

• 10:42Adam Friedland?

  We met David Blaine at an event. First of all, he doesn't stop doing magic.

• 10:47Speaker 02

  No.

• 10:48Adam Friedland?

  That's the thing. He is kind of like you with the, with the camera, right? Right? You are a document of a code, right?

• 10:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm just like, yeah.

• 10:56Adam Friedland?

  You're kinda like Blade. So I asked him, like, I would, like throughout the night, I was asking him questions in between tricks, right? And I'd be like, how much do you think about magic? He's like, from the moment I wake up to the moment I fall asleep, I'm thinking about magic. Yeah.

• 11:11Speaker 02

  That's a good impression.

• 11:12Adam Friedland?

  But at the end of the, I don't know if I told you, but at the end of the night, he was like, let me give you my number.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 11:19Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 11:20Speaker 02

  Was that a trick?

• 11:22Adam Friedland?

  It was a trick. He's never responded. I've texted him. I'm like, I would love you to come on my talk show.

• 11:26Speaker 02

  Damn, that's, I mean, there was that one moment, like, near the end of the night where like,

• 11:33Speaker 02

  you know, my good friend and producer Clark Vilio, we were just sitting, you know, standing in kind of a, he was, he was standing in kind of a semicircle around him and he just had a wine glass, you know, that he had been drinking out of. And then Clark just said to him, here, eat this glass. And then David just took it and ate it right there. And, and then Clark ran up to me and was like, put this in your bag. And it was like a, it was like a jagged piece of glass of unfinished, like, wine glass.

• 12:08Adam Friedland?

  Do you still have it?

• 12:09Speaker 02

  No, I threw it out. I'm not gonna bring.

• 12:12Adam Friedland?

  I thought you like collecting oddities.

• 12:13Speaker 02

  No, I don't wanna, I'm not gonna like put a bunch of jagged glass in my tote bag to bring back to my house. It's just like.

• 12:22Adam Friedland?

  Your guests like step on glass.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't like.

• 12:26Adam Friedland?

  I'm sorry, it's Blade.

• 12:27Speaker 02

  I don't know. I mean, I think, I, I can understand his excitement around.

• 12:34Speaker 02

  It felt like a holy object in the moment, but then like, once you kind of like remove this story from it or anything, it's just like, what is this?

• 12:41Adam Friedland?

  You have broken glass in your backpack.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're, yeah, you're, it's like, yeah, it's like the piano teacher.

• 12:47Adam Friedland?

  The moment, the moment my, the moment my mind was blown, I think you're gonna remember. Cause I think we text each other the next day and I was like, it's real magic. It's real. I can't stop thinking about it. The moment my mind was blown was, my, my old partner Nick Mullin was there and he asked us to take a group selfie, right? And then after the group selfie, he asked someone to, to choose any card from a deck of cards, right? And then he was trying to find the card and he couldn't do it. He's like, oh, wait, wait, hold on one second, like, check, check that, that group picture that I took, right?

• 13:25Adam Friedland?

  And you remember, it was someone held, he asked someone to hold their wallet with the ID sleeve, with that, with their like ID taken out. And in the picture, from before we had selected the fucking card, was, was the card in, in the person's wallet.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was, it was crazy.

• 13:46Adam Friedland?

  In How To, you uncover a phenomenon that my dad experienced, which was, my dad went into a depression after he saw Avatar.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 14:00Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. I was, oh, I was worried you were gonna say he, he cut his like nuts off or something.

• 14:06Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, my dad cut his dick off. Like a How To Cut Your Dick Off episode of How To, which I thought was in incredibly bad taste and also the most linear episode. You were like, I wanna cut my nuts off.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 14:18Adam Friedland?

  You don't really meander at all. You don't really talk to anyone.

• 14:21Speaker 02

  I know, that would be, that was a really radical.

• 14:23Adam Friedland?

  It's three and a half minutes long. I can't believe, how did you get it past standards and practices?

• 14:29Speaker 02

  You know, they just like the shorter stuff sometimes.

• 14:31Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, they're like, this, this is the one episode we understand, John. The rest of your stuff is so highfalutin'.

• 14:37Speaker 02

  Well, you, wait, he sank into a depression after Avatar.

• 14:42Adam Friedland?

  My dad saw Avatar IMAX 3D and he got bummed out for like a month or two.

• 14:47Speaker 02

  Really?

• 14:48Adam Friedland?

  And I think that like, it was the first time he wasn't living on this planet. And he felt immersed in another world. And then the credits rolled and then you go back to this crappy place.

• 15:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is really like, I don't know. It's, I think it's a confusing message. It's like, you know, I'm like, especially like you have this guy in a wheelchair in the movie and he is able to become this able-bodied like kind of tall creature by the end of it.

• 15:23Adam Friedland?

  Sexy too.

• 15:24Speaker 02

  Set hot.

• 15:25Adam Friedland?

  Hot.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  And, and then, you know, it ends. And you're kind of like, you, you're given this vision of this like utopia and the, you know, also like escaping whatever like physical like problems you have. And it offers kind of, it, it offers no kind of option for us as like people living in like a fixed reality, you know, outside of Avatar Na'vi world. And I don't know, it's like I, I watched Avatar Fire and Ash on a plane recently, just kind of like.

• 16:06Adam Friedland?

  Exactly like James intended.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, with the sound kind of off. And it was cool.

• 16:14Adam Friedland?

  I loved it.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  I just, I just want him to stop making avatars just so he can like, so it's like a finite experiment, you know, of his and, and like he can get, and I don't know, maybe he can make something. Well, I made that Billie Eilish like documentary.

• 16:30Adam Friedland?

  James Cameron made a Billie Eilish documentary?

• 16:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's called like Hard and Soft or something.

• 16:35Adam Friedland?

  Hard and Soft?

• 16:36Speaker 02

  I forget what it's called.

• 16:39Adam Friedland?

  What is that, what is that a reference to?

• 16:41Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know. But the Hit Me, Hit Me Soft, what?

• 16:47Adam Friedland?

  Bustin', Hard and Bustin'.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  Whatever, whatever James's brain came up with. I'm just kinda mad at Avatar.

• 16:57Adam Friedland?

  You're mad at Avatar?

• 16:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, because, and I'm glad you brought me here so I could talk about this, but Avatar kind of fucked up movie theaters. A lot of theaters converted to these like, these, these digital projectors to play it, it like, in, in, in this like, you know, whatever 3D digital thing he had going on. And I feel like it was, it was a real kind of like extermination of, of a lot of analog, like kind of 35 setups in a lot of movie theaters.

• 17:34Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 17:34Speaker 02

  And, I mean, I, you know, that.

• 17:37Adam Friedland?

  The Odyssey kind of like brought back, I mean, I think like, is Nolan the last guy that's actually using film?

• 17:46Speaker 02

  I don't care.

• 17:47Adam Friedland?

  You don't care? I don't really care.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  I, I don't know. I don't, the camera seems just heavy and hard to use. I haven't seen it.

• 17:58Adam Friedland?

  I haven't seen it.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, so let's talk about it.

• 18:00Adam Friedland?

  I'm waiting to go on a plane. What was your favorite part?

• 18:02Speaker 02

  I saw a rip of it, like a French cam rip of it. And it just seems like a lot of faces. I don't know, like.

• 18:13Adam Friedland?

  Have you ever done a cam, a cam thing yourself? That seems very Wilson.

• 18:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:20Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 18:21Speaker 02

  I recorded Anyone But You, that's a Sydney Sweeney movie.

• 18:25Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 18:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, and Glenn Powell.

• 18:27Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 18:27Speaker 02

  I saw it on Christmas Day.

• 18:29Adam Friedland?

  Okay.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  That was the most recent one.

• 18:33Adam Friedland?

  Was that on Netflix?

• 18:35Speaker 02

  It was in theaters.

• 18:36Adam Friedland?

  Oh, you went to the theaters?

• 18:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:40Adam Friedland?

  Did that feel like a subversive act?

• 18:43Speaker 02

  It was, yeah, it was thrilling. But it's funny, you know, cause sometimes you'll go to, you know, I'll go to like Williams, Williamsburg Cinema and they will, you know, they'll look in my bag before I go in and I'll have a huge camera. And they'll be like, okay, that's fine. And it's just like, it doesn't seem like piracy is like, like as much of a threat. I don't know what they're looking for.

• 19:05Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. I wanna back up, just get into you a little bit. Like, you're born in the city, grew up Long Island.

• 19:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:13Adam Friedland?

  When, when did you get your first camera?

• 19:17Speaker 02

  14, 15?

• 19:18Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 19:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was my dad's 40th birthday, I think. And my mom gave him a camera. And I just kind of took it immediately and it became my camera.

• 19:28Adam Friedland?

  Was it a Handycam?

• 19:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like a Sony Handycam.

• 19:32Adam Friedland?

  We all had that.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was great. I don't know.

• 19:34Adam Friedland?

  We used to do Jackass videos on those. I got a concussion, cause my friends.

• 19:39Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 19:39Adam Friedland?

  My, yeah, cause we were doing a shopping cart thing. Yeah. I think a lot of us hurt our penises and heads because of Jackass.

• 19:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was jumping into a lot of bushes at first too and stuff like that. But it's cool.

• 19:54Adam Friedland?

  Does that qualify as documentary?

• 19:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:58Adam Friedland?

  Jackass?

• 19:58Speaker 02

  I think, I don't know. Everything's some kind of document. I don't know.

• 20:03Adam Friedland?

  You, you definitely have developed kind of like a, your own aesthetic, but also like style, like, like, how did you, how did you like get there, I suppose, from like Jackass videos?

• 20:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:17Adam Friedland?

  Boring question.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  No, no, no. I, I mean, I feel like I, I spent a lot of time just experimenting, making like skit type things or, I mean, the, the, the largest span was, when I was a kid, was making movie spoofs, you know? But they all had John in the title, like Space John or, you know.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  Uh, Robo-John, you know.

• 20:44Adam Friedland?

  Space John was a parody of Spaceballs?

• 20:46Speaker 02

  No, of Space Jam.

• 20:47Adam Friedland?

  Space Jam?

• 20:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:48Adam Friedland?

  Oh, of course.

• 20:50Speaker 02

  But yeah, and then I kind of just like would make these kind of comedic things for a little while. But, you know, with friends, but when I reached a cer- when I reached a certain age and I was doing like festival stuff with them. Like I just would make them and then I would nothing, have nothing to say about them, you know? They would just kind of be this like, this skit, you know? And I, I kind of just like wanted to stop down and think about like what the purpose of, of making this stuff was. And I kind of just like accidentally fell into this like memoir tutorial type thing. Just because like, I kind of, I always just like hated the sound of my own voice.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  And my kind of like written word, like I was really scared of writing. And, and I kind of just wanted to like do it all in the same kind of container, just to kind of like get over that.

• 21:49Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 21:49Speaker 02

  Um.

• 21:50Adam Friedland?

  And, and it makes it personal too, because like how to becomes like, I think, I, I saw it in an interview. You said you start with the title, right?

• 21:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:59Adam Friedland?

  But a lot of it is about you were like trying to understand the world through the, from the vantage point of, of your camera. Is it, is that fair?

• 22:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure.

• 22:08Adam Friedland?

  Who is the character John? Is the character John 100% you, or does it feel like it's like a, is it a 10% Borat?

• 22:17Speaker 02

  I mean, I think, I mean, it's all really tongue in cheek, you know?

• 22:20Adam Friedland?

  There's, there's like a, yeah, there's an elevated aspect of, of you, right? It's honest still, but.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like dripping with irony, but it's also like extremely honest, you know, about how you actually, I mean, that's what I think satire does a lot of the time.

• 22:35Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  Um, but like, yeah, I am, I feel a bit kind of like straitjacketed sometimes. Uh, like conversationally and it's just like, I wasn't really able to say the things I wanted to say. Like, like in the company of others sometimes, and I just like wanted to just have a place to say all this stuff that I was thinking. And just like, not necessarily even for an audience, just to like, to deposit it somewhere, just so it like, it, it, it, it like, these thoughts had a home. And then, you know.

• 23:20Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 23:20Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 23:22Adam Friedland?

  Is it because like your subjects are, are disclosing personal things? So you feel like you have to like match that or something?

• 23:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think I, I, I, I film a lot of people in public. I film a lot of people, you know, in really intimate environments, you know, whether they're like naked on their own bed or something like that. And, or, you know, revealing some personal tragedy that they're living through. And it's kind of like, I, I, I do feel like that there is a bit of a scale. And, and like tossing myself into the mix, I, I try to do it sparingly. Cause I don't, I don't want it to be like so like hamfisted.

• 24:05Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  But I do, yeah, like you're saying, it, it is like this, this thing that it's where I feel like almost in equal measure. Need to kind of put my own like personal life into it, like to match the.

• 24:23Adam Friedland?

  The vulnerability?

• 24:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's not always necessary, but I think that like, I try to keep it pretty generic also. Because like it allows, you know, like in this concrete movie I'm talking about, like, you know, I speak in the second person as a way to, you know, help you identify with what you're seeing a bit more. Um, and like, um, it's like, I say like, oh, your house has a problem. Your house is leaking.

• 24:53Adam Friedland?

  I was gonna ask about the second person, yeah.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  I feel like that's like a universal problem, but then like when you, when it becomes not universal and so hyper-specific that it is only me. But I'm still talking broadly, I think there's something really funny there about like.

• 25:09Adam Friedland?

  Right, you're trying to relate to the audience, right? It's like you're having a conversation with the audience, right?

• 25:14Speaker 02

  I, yeah.

• 25:15Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, and you think that this is something that happens to everyone?

• 25:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know. It, it's like, obviously it, it, I think the, the comedy there is like, is, is, you know, partially what you identify with. Even though I'm, I'm telling you that this is all happening to you and that this is you.

• 25:36Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  When it's like, you know, some of it might be, but you know, other, other parts, it's like laughable.

• 25:43Adam Friedland?

  Does it feel confining sometimes, like you're trapped in a character or like trapped in a, I saw you talking to Louis Theroux. And like, I'm also like a massive fan, I've seen everything, right?

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:56Adam Friedland?

  And like, they stopped being funny at a certain point, right?

• 25:59Speaker 02

  His?

• 25:59Adam Friedland?

  His, his stuff, right? Like there's still funny moments, but like at first they're like really like, they're.

• 26:06Speaker 02

  They're really cheeky, yeah.

• 26:07Adam Friedland?

  They're really cheeky. In that sense, do you feel like, you know, as you evolve as an artist, does it feel like a confining? Or do you feel trapped ever, like in a certain voice, like?

• 26:19Speaker 02

  I.

• 26:19Adam Friedland?

  I'm not saying.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  No, I feel that, I feel that.

• 26:21Adam Friedland?

  I love the, I mean, I love the show and your work, yeah.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Uh, no, no, I, I, I, I, yeah.

• 26:27Adam Friedland?

  That was something I was just thinking when, when I was like watching the documentary last night.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, I mean, it is the same old shit, you know, which I think is kind of interesting within the, you know, within the film. Because it's like everyone kept wanting me to evolve, you know, like my, you know, my agent. And then like, uh, like other people we were pitching the movie to, it, it's almost like they wanted like something different, you know? And I, I don't know, I didn't arrive here because I just thought it was like kind of interesting. I just think this is the right way to do a lot of things, a lot of like individual components, I think are like, are, are just how I think I like to do them.

• 27:12Adam Friedland?

  Also you get better, right?

• 27:14Speaker 02

  And you get better, but yeah, I mean, I also, I, I, I, I, I hear you with like evolving like and maturing over time and.

• 27:23Adam Friedland?

  Well, I don't, I wasn't, it wasn't like accusatory, I was just like, like, uh, there's like a comedian, uh, that like had a character of like a Puerto Rican transvestite. And they got so big that he was opening for the character, right? And like, uh, that like at a certain point, like, like he, like I imagine he felt trapped.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 27:44Adam Friedland?

  Like, you know.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  No, no, no, people don't want, it seems like people don't want me to do this anymore.

• 27:49Adam Friedland?

  Is that true? I don't know.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  I mean, it's, I, I think that was part of the struggle of making the movie is like they, they wanted like it to be something other than how to, you know? And it's like, I totally get that and I, you know, I have problems with change, like change in general. But, um, you know, I wasn't getting any support like, or the kind of support I was with the HBO show. So I was just like, I'm just gonna do it the way I've always done it. And, you know, but I, I think the work, I think this film is, is more, I think, mature politically in a lot of ways.

• 28:26Adam Friedland?

  Hundred percent.

• 28:27Speaker 02

  I think it kind of like, I, it, it's, it's more going in a direction that I, I want it to go. Where, where it's, it's, it's not like, yeah, it's not like Louis like, you know, through his early stuff where he's like, look at this, what's going on here? Yeah.

• 28:49Adam Friedland?

  But yeah, that's, that's what I was gonna say, cause you, you, I think people were introduced on a larger scale to you in the How To series. But when you go on Vimeo and you watch your early stuff, like this has just been something that you've been doing throughout, right? And something that you've been refining, like a format that you, you've invented and refined throughout. So like, you, that's what, what came across to me, what, watching the documentary is like, you are like, like, uh, you are like, uh, I guess perfecting this thing that you've invented or this voice that you've created and this format that you've created.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, and.

• 29:24Adam Friedland?

  And you never will be perfect, right? Like.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  Well, that's the thing, I, I just, I, I think that the whole format was just born out of this idea that like, I think being an expert on anything is funny. Like calling yourself an expert.

• 29:39Adam Friedland?

  It's hilarious.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Is funny, like anyone. I don't know, like, the world is a confidence game in a lot of ways. And, you know, it's just like the people that are really overconfident, I feel like end up having a lot of influence in spheres that that it become kind of scary sometimes. And I just like, I, I take myself down like, you know, a couple of pegs, like whenever I make something like this. Or I, you know, I try to make people rethink what they, what they're certain about, you know, where it's like, like, and they just think it's really funny when someone's super confident about anything, you know, I think.

• 30:18Adam Friedland?

  You don't lie, or typically.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  I don't know, I just, I think that like, self doubt is like really important, and when people have like zero self doubt in them, you know.

• 30:25Adam Friedland?

  Well, even in an art, as an artist, like, anyone that makes something and they're like, this is the greatest thing ever, they're usually a charlatan, right? Like, anytime you go back and watch anything you've made, you're gonna have a million problems with it and say, I would change this, this, and this.

• 30:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's like, I don't know, I mean, there are certain things, like, you could talk to a concrete expert who knows how the mixture is, is made. You know, and I feel like that's something that, you know, I wouldn't say that person's a charlatan, you know, but I think that like, with like, certain lifestyle coaches, or, you know, you just watch YouTube and I, I just, the confidence sometimes that people have in, in, you know, how to, how to, how to fix a stove, or, you know, some, some weird like domestic thing, I think is, is, is really funny.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  And, you know, I, I wanted to see initially what it was like to throw in like, really, uh, like, kind of agonizing self doubt into something even as like, simple as that.

• 31:30Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah. How do you find like, a John ending, right? Cause like, from what I understand, like, you, you have, correct me if I'm wrong, you start with the name, right? And then, and then you meander and like, the character John is this confused guy, like navigating the world and meeting all these people. And also like, you don't exploit people in the sense where like, you, you meet them in earnest, right? There's like a heart to the show, right? And like, there's, and especially to an ending, there's always like a sincerity and like a heart to your work. Um, I imagine you have to be sometimes in the middle of a project, struggling to find that ending. And like, is there an anxiety around it?

• 32:15Adam Friedland?

  And when does it feel like you've, in a satisfactory way, found kind of closing the narrative arc?

• 32:21Speaker 02

  I think that's where like, like, I'm, I'm a, I'm like a nervous wreck, like, for most of the production of anything.

• 32:27Adam Friedland?

  I can imagine, yeah.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  It's like, it's, you know, and, and, you know, like, my collaborators, like, I, I give, I, I thank them so much and like, give them so much credit for like, kind of dealing with me sometimes when I'm just like, because you're just staring in front of this like, Sudoku puzzle that just feels impossible, you know, and you're just like, I don't know. I find that like, it's good to just start with like a title, like, you know, how to find a parking spot or something like that. And then, you kind of just like, you talk to people that, you know, that have something to do with the title,

• 33:11Speaker 02

  that has something to do with the original, like, subject matter. And then, you kind of like, follow that, and then, you have like, multiple things that you're shooting that have, and like, a, a structure to them, like, whether it's a contest, or like, some kind of event. Um, it's like, okay, we know these are things pre-existing out in the world that have like a structure. And then you can kind of like, lean on those if you want to, um, but you don't, and it, it all just depends on what reveals, I, I, I think, something really interesting, or, you know, like, maybe even takes you farther away

• 33:53Speaker 02

  and reveals something more illuminating about like, the, the issues of the original title, but like, I don't know. I mean, working with Fielder at first, in the beginning of How To, you know, his criteria in the first season was just like,

• 34:11Speaker 02

  we'll stop when we've captured something that the audience cannot believe we captured, you know? And I, I, I feel like I still kind of do that, or try to in a way. Where it's like, you know, in the ending to this movie, I don't want to give anything away, but it's like, when that happened, I was like, what, how does this, what does this have to do with anything, you know? But then you just like, think about it for a while, and it's like, oh, there are themes in here that it kind of like, attaches to. And it actually, and then you kind of go back and take inventory, and then you reshape like, the beginning and like, first and second acts,

• 34:54Speaker 02

  just to kind of like, to maybe like, tee up, tee it up like, a little better, but like, not so much that people see anything coming, really.

• 35:04Adam Friedland?

  Which is how filmmaking kind of works, right? You find things in post that are like, that are cohesive, right? Like, a lot of the time, right?

• 35:15Speaker 02

  I don't know how other people do it.

• 35:16Adam Friedland?

  I don't fucking know, I don't fucking like it. But, uh, have you, have you ever been stuck and like, just been unable to find? I know that you tell that story about Burning Man, which ultimately, yeah, you're.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  The Burning Man doc is out right now.

• 35:32Adam Friedland?

  Is it out?

• 35:32Speaker 02

  The, the one that, that stopped us from.

• 35:35Adam Friedland?

  Which were the Nexium people, too.

• 35:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, they took Nexium classes.

• 35:44Adam Friedland?

  They took classes, okay. To back up John, uh, in the How To Find A Bathroom.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 35:50Adam Friedland?

  You go to Burning Man.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:52Adam Friedland?

  How long did you, you spent an entire week in the beating sun filming?

• 35:58Speaker 02

  It was awful.

• 36:00Adam Friedland?

  Porta Puddies.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:02Adam Friedland?

  Burning Man.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  I was hanging out with the septic people, you know, because I just wanted to see what the infrastructure that was like there. And there were always like, you know, it was really dramatic. There were, there were people begging them to remove the shit from their RVs, you know, all this gray water and like, all this like, terrible stuff. And, yeah, to schedule it, and they were very strict. I had, I don't know.

• 36:31Adam Friedland?

  All those guys, and but, it's just, those guys are the ones that are gonna like, end humanity?

• 36:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the thing, it's like.

• 36:38Adam Friedland?

  They're talking about the singularity and the, you're just watching their shit, like, watching it.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  It was like, I, I, I don't know, man, I, I'm, the, the place is not for me. I, I, I feel like, I, I have, you have more freedom on the sidewalk in New York than you will ever have in Burning Man.

• 36:58Adam Friedland?

  Do you think that we should just hit it with maybe an intercontinental ballistic missile?

• 37:02Speaker 02

  I didn't say it.

• 37:03Adam Friedland?

  Okay, uh, just to conclude, uh, John did that, and then there's another documentary crew who ironically were also the team behind the HBO Nexium documentary, which ironically, John was at an acapella. This, this is just like, your life is, you are kind of a rambling man. Like, you are for, you are Borat, I mean, you're like.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  I'm Borat, yeah.

• 37:28Adam Friedland?

  You're Borat Gump, yeah, yeah.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Borat Gump.

• 37:30Adam Friedland?

  But like, uh, yeah, but they, they, uh, said that they had the rights to.

• 37:36Speaker 02

  Exclusive rights, they petitioned or paid for the exclusive rights.

• 37:40Adam Friedland?

  And they didn't let this poor gentleman just, just film the.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Just film the feces.

• 37:45Adam Friedland?

  The crap, the crap, all the crap, yeah.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  I was trying to explain to them.

• 37:50Adam Friedland?

  But I can tell you're actually, you're like, still pissed off about it.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know, but the, you know, I, I, I was in a prison of my own design, you know? It's like, I go to Burning Man, it's like, what did I think was gonna happen? Everyone there is a little cop, and they just like, are all about these insane rules that like, don't exist anywhere else in the world.

• 38:07Adam Friedland?

  Could you verbally explain some of your favorite, uh, like, selects from that, from that week?

• 38:15Speaker 02

  There was one guy drive, riding around with a Trump Pence flag. I thought that was kind of interesting.

• 38:23Adam Friedland?

  That's good.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  Cause there's a no, like, branding thing. Yeah, I mean, I brought a city bike there, I shipped it all the way to Nevada. Uh, I found it on the street in Soho, and I rode it all around Burning Man. And it was the only bicycle out of everyone's bike that didn't get a flat.

• 38:45Adam Friedland?

  Oh, really?

• 38:46Speaker 02

  And like, was actually, yeah, so shout out to City Bike. You guys can handle, City Bikes can handle extreme desert conditions.

• 38:54Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  Um, but I don't know, I mean, I mean, the, my favorite part was the lost and found, because you had all, I was like, they're filming for such a long time. Because like, people lose all, mostly water bottles, people like, will put like, an image of their driver's license on, oh, print it out and put it on a water bottle, for some reason, as, like, because of how, you know, scarce resources are there, I guess. But, the phone retrieval system was, was, I have never seen anything like it, where like, it's, uh, this kind of District Nine kind of computer setup that they have, like, covered in dust, and they just have an endless grid

• 39:38Speaker 02

  that you scroll through of the lock screens of phones, that, like, and you have to find your phone, um, in this grid. And people, there were just like, hundreds and hundreds of lost phones. Um, and, and just watching people deal with like, the, the kind of post office, yeah, all the bureaucratic stuff of that was like, and I, I basically wanted to make an episode of cops in Burning Man, like, where I film all the police officers as they respond to like, you know, like, all of the, but like, the cops were really uncooperative, the, all the volunteer, um, kind of security people there were super uncooperative.

• 40:17Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like, um.

• 40:20Adam Friedland?

  Sodom and Gomorrah.

• 40:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not for me. Um, I don't know, I just, I don't like sunlight.

• 40:26Adam Friedland?

  Any good celeb sightings?

• 40:28Speaker 02

  No, no good celeb sightings. Um, yeah, it was just, I don't know, I don't think I'll be back.

• 40:34Adam Friedland?

  We gotta go, dude.

• 40:36Speaker 02

  You wanna go?

• 40:37Adam Friedland?

  I'm down.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  I'll go back.

• 40:39Adam Friedland?

  I'm down.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  Uh, but now I'm getting so much Burning Man content on my phone right now.

• 40:44Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 40:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, just like, uh, because I guess it's happening like, inner, like, around now, yeah.

• 40:51Adam Friedland?

  Those people are disgusting.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  I know, yeah, it is kind of like.

• 40:54Adam Friedland?

  They're ending the world?

• 40:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and it's just like, well, that's the thing, it's like, they were blocking us from filming. And like, but they are, like, I can understand that people on privacy maybe don't wanna have this experience documented. But it's like, they're just, they're doing that in a way worse way, you know?

• 41:12Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 41:12Speaker 02

  Like, and I don't know, it's just such a bloated, whatever.

• 41:18Adam Friedland?

  I saw on YouTube, there's a Q and A you do, you did with the, the late Frederick Weisman.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, it might have been their last one he ever did.

• 41:27Adam Friedland?

  It might have been the last.

• 41:28Speaker 02

  Which is crazy.

• 41:30Adam Friedland?

  And he was being, he was being a little cagey.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  I mean, I, yeah, Weisman is like really impossible to do a Q and A with, which is why I kinda love him. Because like every, every Q and A I've ever seen, like of him in person, he's always like really difficult with the Q and A person.

• 41:46Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. Do you take inspiration from Weisman though? Like, a, a lot of his films are about institutions and like public institutions. And I saw a lot of that in your new movie.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah, I mean, I love Weisman's stuff.

• 41:59Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. Is he your goat? Who's your goat?

• 42:02Speaker 02

  He might be my goat.

• 42:03Adam Friedland?

  Borat, maybe?

• 42:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's my Borat.

• 42:05Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, you know, the stuff that Weisman does is like, it's just so smart, you know? And, and he just like, I mean, it's like a dream career, even though he, he, he, he didn't always have the money to make stuff. It just like, to spend your life documenting these institutions and like having them just go on PBS. And then, you know, you make another one. And it's just like, I just thought it was so cool. And, you know, obviously, like formally, his stuff is so amazing. But I just love all the in-between stuff, you know? There's like the large set piece kind of moments in the, in his movies. And then, all the stuff where he's like kind of scene setting and like establishing the environment.

• 42:48Adam Friedland?

  Right.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  Like, it's always, it's just like candy, you know? And I was just kind of like, you know, partially, I'm just like, you know, what, what if that's like all it is, you know?

• 42:59Adam Friedland?

  You said that for History of Concrete, its biggest inspiration was Claude Landsman's Shoah. Is that correct?

• 43:05Speaker 02

  I haven't seen it.

• 43:06Adam Friedland?

  You haven't seen it? It's the best documentary of all time, they say.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  Shoah?

• 43:10Adam Friedland?

  It's nine hours, it's about the Holocaust. Come on, brother.

• 43:12Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I mean, that's one thing as a documentarian, is that like, people always come up to you and tell you that they have footage from the Holocaust.

• 43:20Adam Friedland?

  Oh, okay.

• 43:21Speaker 02

  Or something, you know, or they're just like.

• 43:23Adam Friedland?

  Like family photos?

• 43:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:25Adam Friedland?

  Of them like at the, at the, the commandant's, uh?

• 43:30Speaker 02

  I don't know, it's, it's, it seems like people just assume, if you make nonfiction, that like you want, you will eventually be making a movie about the Holocaust.

• 43:40Adam Friedland?

  I think people just think you're Jewish.

• 43:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, that too, I get that a lot.

• 43:44Adam Friedland?

  You aesthetically present Jewish, I think.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know, well, yeah.

• 43:48Adam Friedland?

  You're an Irishman.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  I learned it from you guys. No, uh, yeah, I'm an Irish, Irish and Czech.

• 43:53Adam Friedland?

  And Czech?

• 43:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:55Adam Friedland?

  What do you, what side do you like better?

• 43:56Speaker 02

  I don't know, I went to Warsaw for the first time recently.

• 44:00Adam Friedland?

  That's not in neither place, but continue.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  But it was the closest to Czech Republic that I've ever been. And, um, I don't know, I saw, I've never been to Ireland, so I feel like.

• 44:11Adam Friedland?

  I think Gaza is a lot like Warsaw.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:13Adam Friedland?

  Well, not current Warsaw, but.

• 44:15Speaker 02

  Warsaw, they were like, kind of, the antisemitism in Warsaw was really interesting.

• 44:21Adam Friedland?

  They really rock with it still.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  I, I've, I've never seen so much like.

• 44:25Adam Friedland?

  They were like, welcome to the Nazis. Like, like, let's, let's get, let's get it going.

• 44:33Speaker 02

  I had a really good time there, but.

• 44:35Adam Friedland?

  Oh, you did? You had antisemitism?

• 44:37Speaker 02

  It just, well, they gave me.

• 44:38Adam Friedland?

  You let it, you can let it rip finally. Especially working in Hollywood, you definitely have it pent up.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 44:45Adam Friedland?

  Guys?

• 44:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know, yeah, I can't.

• 44:48Adam Friedland?

  The boys trip.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  Stop collaborating with you guys, yeah. But, the, no, the funny thing, they, they, the, the festival that I was at, set up a concrete walking tour of, uh, Warsaw. And we went to this one neighborhood and they were like, they were like, this neighborhood was actually leveled. Um, and, you know, this is a Jewish neighborhood and it was leveled. And when they rebuilt it, they used the ground up bones of the Jews to make the concrete.

• 45:19Adam Friedland?

  Okay.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  And, um.

• 45:21Adam Friedland?

  Why didn't you put that in your movie?

• 45:22Speaker 02

  I wasn't, uh, recording it. I was already done, I was showing, I was there to show the movie.

• 45:27Adam Friedland?

  Well, you could have added it. That would have been good for the movie.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  Well, this is, this is it.

• 45:30Adam Friedland?

  Okay, good.

• 45:31Speaker 02

  Well.

• 45:31Adam Friedland?

  Just, when you're watching the movie, think about the ground up bones of the Jews.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:36Adam Friedland?

  In the concrete.

• 45:38Speaker 02

  Uh, but then they added in like, another like really off-color comment where they were like, again, this is like a tour guide in front of a bunch of people. And they were like, um, rumor has it that people live in these buildings will like, often see the ghosts of Jewish people when they're going to sleep.

• 45:58Adam Friedland?

  Oh, no.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  But only if they're late on the rent.

• 46:01Adam Friedland?

  Oh, that's a good joke.

• 46:03Speaker 02

  And like everyone, everyone was laughing. And I was just like, what? I was like, this is like the most classic like antisemitism, I'm like.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  I don't know, it was a nice tour, but yeah, it was like kind of funny how casual it was.

• 46:23Adam Friedland?

  What was the like scariest place you've been?

• 46:26Speaker 02

  Scariest place I've been?

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• 47:58Adam Friedland?

  Not like, uh?

• 48:00Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 48:01Adam Friedland?

  It would be cool of how to, you just like find yourself in Sinaloa province, Mexico with the cartel.

• 48:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, that's what, I remember.

• 48:09Adam Friedland?

  How to go to a party. So I decided to go find where cocaine is.

• 48:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, where cocaine is like, is born.

• 48:19Speaker 02

  I don't know, I usually have people around me that help me feel pretty safe.

• 48:23Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  But, I don't know, I mean, the most unsafe I felt was like in college when I was making this documentary about balloon fetishists. And they, like, I was, started by making this documentary about a strip club. And then I found these balloon fetish parties that would like happen there. And then, you know, people who like, were attracted to the inflation and popping of balloons. And, but then when I started to pivot to make it more about the luners, the strip club got really upset with me and like locked me in a room and like, uh, tried to basically,

• 49:05Speaker 02

  I don't know, man. It was, yeah, they wanted me to make a commercial for them basically, and they got really, really upset.

• 49:11Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 49:12Speaker 02

  And thankfully, the balloon fetishist that I was covering, like knocked on the door and kind of came and took me out, like before things got too heated.

• 49:22Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 49:22Speaker 02

  Anyway, that was the scariest thing that comes to mind.

• 49:25Adam Friedland?

  And the owner of that strip club was Mohamed Atta from the nine eleven attacks.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  Full circle.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  No, that strip club is now gone, it's leveled.

• 49:38Adam Friedland?

  Oh, really?

• 49:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, I, I went there recently. Um, it was under a highway in Binghamton. It was very like Sin City, it was really kind of cool looking.

• 49:47Adam Friedland?

  Was, oh, like neon?

• 49:49Speaker 02

  Just like Shaq under a massive overpass that like, you know, it's girls, girls, girls kind of, you know, thing.

• 49:57Adam Friedland?

  Is, is, uh, amateur pornography, is that documentary?

• 50:03Speaker 02

  Depends, I, I don't know.

• 50:05Adam Friedland?

  Cause the acting side.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  What are you watching? What, why are you thinking about it? You don't watch any of that?

• 50:11Adam Friedland?

  It's too contrived.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Hmm. I think it can be. I don't know, I, I feel like pornography, yeah, it can go either way.

• 50:22Adam Friedland?

  Do people assume you're a pornographer? Or is that when the cameras go off?

• 50:26Speaker 02

  Like, right before I started the concrete movie, I try, I was gonna make a movie about the Atlantic City Convention Center and go to every single event, like over the course of a year. And I was like, all right, day one, I'm gonna go down. And I drove down, I didn't know what the event was. And I just show up and, uh, I buy a ticket and then I walk in and it's like this, like tween, like cheerleading competition, you know? And I had my camera up just like, and I was like, I wanted to film the venue, you know?

• 51:02Speaker 02

  And then, within four or five minutes, all of the dads in the, all the dads that were there were just like, all right, we found the guy. The guy is, he's, he's finally here. The pervert, like, we found the pervert. And they all like, came up to me and kicked me out. And so I ended that project.

• 51:23Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 51:25Speaker 02

  But it's like.

• 51:26Adam Friedland?

  You still gave it the college try?

• 51:28Speaker 02

  I had driven all the way down to AC, yeah.

• 51:31Adam Friedland?

  True, it's a three hour drive. You don't wanna waste the gas.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I was just like, all right, I'll, I'll just shoot, I'll, I'm gonna shoot some like employees that like work here or something like that.

• 51:39Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 51:40Speaker 02

  But like, yeah, I, I, I was, I mean, I should have known, but it's, it's just like, I don't know, yeah, they have got all angry at me for like, not having a kid there or something, but it's like.

• 51:51Adam Friedland?

  He's being self-righteous.

• 51:52Speaker 02

  Like, yeah, it's like, what you guys are doing is weird.

• 51:55Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, it's just.

• 51:56Speaker 02

  Like, this is disgusting.

• 51:58Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  Like, I am.

• 52:01Adam Friedland?

  You should have made the documentary about them.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  Ah, I don't wanna get into that.

• 52:04Adam Friedland?

  The dads.

• 52:05Speaker 02

  The dads of pageant girls, yeah, I don't wanna do that. I don't wanna like, I don't know.

• 52:10Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 52:10Speaker 02

  I, yeah, you don't touch that stuff.

• 52:13Adam Friedland?

  Rapid fire, what's your favorite place in New York City?

• 52:16Speaker 02

  For what?

• 52:17Adam Friedland?

  I don't know.

• 52:20Adam Friedland?

  Pass. What's your favorite building?

• 52:23Speaker 02

  My favorite building?

• 52:28Speaker 02

  My own?

• 52:29Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 52:30Speaker 02

  I don't fucking know.

• 52:30Adam Friedland?

  It's better than the Chrysler Building?

• 52:33Speaker 02

  I, they don't let me in there.

• 52:35Adam Friedland?

  I mean, it just looks amazing.

• 52:37Speaker 02

  Looks great.

• 52:38Adam Friedland?

  I like that with no windows in Tribeca, that like, that weird, like.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  Oh, the Verizon one?

• 52:44Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, that Verizon building that people think the CIA runs.

• 52:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, that one's crazy.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  I don't know. I haven't really thought about it. My favorite place in New York is The Shade.

• 52:54Adam Friedland?

  The Shade? Yeah, how do you on like, on the street shoot so much with Irish skin?

• 53:04Speaker 02

  This, I, I, I just, I'm like, uh, I'm magnetized to The Shade, I don't know. I try to just shoot with even light, so that ends up being in either harsh sunlight or all shade a lot of the time.

• 53:17Adam Friedland?

  You're basically like a war correspondent.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like a war photographer.

• 53:22Adam Friedland?

  Would you go to a war ever?

• 53:23Speaker 02

  No.

• 53:24Adam Friedland?

  What if you?

• 53:25Speaker 02

  I don't believe it, I'm a pacifist.

• 53:27Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, but what if you were trying to find out like how to like, how to, like, how to dress cooler and then you find?

• 53:34Speaker 02

  I don't know, I, you know, I don't wanna never say never, I, I just like, people, I'm glad that I don't need to make money or like art about like stuff that is like, like war based a lot of the time.

• 53:48Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 53:49Speaker 02

  I just, it, it feels like, I mean, I, obviously credit to the people that do, but I just like, you know. Yeah, I, I don't like to shoot that.

• 54:01Adam Friedland?

  You recently ta- teamed up with Mayor Zorron.

• 54:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yes.

• 54:05Adam Friedland?

  Fellow friend, friends, I'm friends with him.

• 54:07Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, he was on this, wasn't he? That's cool.

• 54:10Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. What, you guys ma- he announced recently, uh, you affected public policy.

• 54:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:17Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. You wanna say why?

• 54:19Speaker 02

  Which one, the BQE?

• 54:20Adam Friedland?

  The BQE and the scaffolding.

• 54:23Speaker 02

  I can't take credit for the BQE, but the scaffolding, yeah, I think, I, I, yeah, I I think I might have had something to do with that. Um, I still don't, yeah, I don't know. I mean, he wants to take it down, I think that's cool. I'm still just trying to figure out what the whole plan is really.

• 54:45Adam Friedland?

  For the BQE?

• 54:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:46Adam Friedland?

  It's terrifying.

• 54:47Speaker 02

  Like, I think it's really courageous of him to kind of put his finger on it, cause like, I think like, it's been in such a quagmire for so long because, once you kind of touch it and say like, this is my project, then you're kind of responsible.

• 55:01Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 55:01Speaker 02

  You know, and especially with all the kind of NIMBYism, like, if I go around it, it's like, it's impossible to please everybody, but you kind of need to be a bit kind of iron-fisted about it.

• 55:12Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  But, like, I don't know, I don't know if like.

• 55:16Adam Friedland?

  Just to, just to explain, you, you, you might explaining like what we're talking about with the BQE?

• 55:21Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:21Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 55:22Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, there's a portion in my concrete movie about, uh, the BQE and the, you know, specifically the triple cantilever section, um, in Brooklyn Heights area, um, and how that is, is, uh, very close to disaster, you know, and it seems like,

• 55:44Speaker 02

  you know, from what I was reading about the plan, I think they wanna rehabilitate it, build a temporary highway kind of near Furman Street or something like that to take a lot of the traffic, but

• 55:59Speaker 02

  I don't know. It's like, are we cursing that area for another sixty years, you know, with like the worst like, traffic in the whole city? And I don't know what the solution is really, cause that's where so much, uh, like freight and, you know, a lot, a lot of goods coming in and out of the city, or like through the tri-state area, like have to go through there in some like nasty way. So, I don't know, I, I, again, I, I'm not like a civic engineer, or I, I don't, like, I'm, I'm just like a schmuck with like a camera under the BQE, talking to people.

• 56:35Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, wasn't it that the, it was supposed to take the weight of like ten percent of the amount of traffic or something, I don't know if it's ten percent is the right number, but like amount of traffic that it, it, it has every day?

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:47Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  I think it's like, it was only raided for so many years, like it's well beyond its, its, its kind of expiration date. Um, like thirty or so years beyond it, and people are constantly u- using, like overloading trucks to drive through it, you know, it's like there's usually like supposed to be a, a weight limit. And people just, you know, obviously violate that.

• 57:13Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 57:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can see why it was so hard to get this movie, uh, um, financed, really.

• 57:21Adam Friedland?

  At the end of cinema, right, where they cancel movies and TV?

• 57:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 57:26Adam Friedland?

  Do you feel like you're making work at the end of, at the end of the world?

• 57:32Speaker 02

  No, I don't wanna think about it like that. I think we're, I think it's kind of, I think it's crazy that we're all born now.

• 57:38Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 57:38Speaker 02

  I think it's a crazy time to be alive, I think it's cool.

• 57:41Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 57:42Speaker 02

  You know?

• 57:43Adam Friedland?

  I kinda do miss like just going to the movie theater and just seeing whatever crap they give us.

• 57:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:49Adam Friedland?

  Like I just go see like The Scorpion King with The Rock and, just cause they gave it to us, Soul Plane.

• 57:56Speaker 02

  But this is going back to the Avatar thing.

• 57:58Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 57:58Speaker 02

  Where I think movie theaters got too big, like, and kind of all congealed into these like AMC type things.

• 58:09Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. I like the, the Wally seats.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  I don't like to fall asleep when I, when I go to see a movie, I don't know, it just like, it, it puts me out.

• 58:19Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 58:19Speaker 02

  I feel like we just need to open more small movie theaters.

• 58:24Adam Friedland?

  Well, you wanna give a little plug?

• 58:25Speaker 02

  Not trying to give a plug, I'm just saying.

• 58:27Adam Friedland?

  Plug, why don't you give a little plug? We'll sell some tickets.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  Run, don't walk to Low Cinema, that is a nice, small movie theater that has character, it's got personality and original programming that will knock your socks off.

• 58:40Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, and Regal Essex, uh.

• 58:43Speaker 02

  Regal Essex is also cool, I support.

• 58:50Speaker 02

  I support all kinds of venues.

• 58:52Adam Friedland?

  That's my, that's my, uh, big, that's my, uh, well, the best theater in New York City was Court Street, I don't know if you do you remember Court Street?

• 59:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw.

• 59:02Adam Friedland?

  It was anarchy.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw some big ones there.

• 59:04Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah. I saw, I remember I saw one of the John Wicks there, there was a lady who just had like basically like twelve Tupperwares of like, she had Thanksgiving, basically that she brought into the theater. And, uh, she, uh, the first time he kills someone, she goes, okay, there you go. And then so I started laughing, and then, uh, Lawrence Fishburne shows up, like, uh, like, uh, ten minutes later, she goes, and they got Morpheus. Or I think she said Murphyus.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  I saw John Wick in that same theater with Nathan.

• 59:38Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  At the premiere, and, or John Wick Three.

• 59:41Adam Friedland?

  I think it was John Wick Three.

• 59:42Speaker 02

  Were you there? K- Keanu was there.

• 59:44Adam Friedland?

  I know, I didn't.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  No, you weren't there for that.

• 59:45Adam Friedland?

  No, no, no, no, I wasn't, I wasn't big in that.

• 59:47Speaker 02

  That was like right when we were making the first season.

• 59:50Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 59:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was a great theater.

• 59:51Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. So as for the new film, uh, what's it like, first of all, working with Kim Kardashian, huge, I remember that. Kim, Kim K, the lover?

• 1:00:05Adam Friedland?

  What was that?

• 1:00:07Speaker 02

  This one?

• 1:00:08Adam Friedland?

  She, she's, she, she's, she's as fire in real life as she is on the, on the silver screen?

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  Rabishing.

• 1:00:15Adam Friedland?

  Rabishing.

• 1:00:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:16Adam Friedland?

  Did you form any type of relationship? Do you think she's gonna see the movie?

• 1:00:20Speaker 02

  I don't know if she'll see it. I'm kind of worried about what's gonna happen when this movie comes out.

• 1:00:28Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  I don't know, I, I don't think I have anything to be really scared of, but there's like, you know, there's stuff in it that like, you know, there's, there are public figures in there that, you know, that may not know that they're in it.

• 1:00:46Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:00:48Adam Friedland?

  That'll be good for the movie.

• 1:00:49Speaker 02

  I don't even know if I should say that.

• 1:00:50Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  But, yeah, I don't know, if, if you're like a public figure, you had a big event, other people are filming, it's like usually fine.

• 1:00:56Adam Friedland?

  Ray J, Kardashian.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, she.

• 1:01:01Adam Friedland?

  Jacob Lordy.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's in there. I don't know, it's just like a, it was a freakish kind of environment, you know? I don't know what I was doing in there, or why I had like a, a name card, uh, and why I was sitting one seat away from Chris Kardashian. Or, you know, Chris, yeah, Kardashian, Jenner, Kris Jenner, I don't fucking know.

• 1:01:24Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  Um, that's the mom.

• 1:01:26Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:27Adam Friedland?

  Did you like make any, like, connections, did you bring your card, at least?

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:01:32Adam Friedland?

  John Wilson, HBO movie theater, mo- movie theater owner?

• 1:01:37Speaker 02

  I don't know, I mean, I, I didn't really wanna network when I was there, I think I just wanted to take in the scene. I've just never seen an uninterrupted shot of Kim Kardashian before, and I was, that's why I was just kind of excited to capture that.

• 1:01:52Adam Friedland?

  And I think that's gonna, that's gonna sell some tickets. I think that's gonna sell some, if you guys want an uninterrupted shot.

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  Uninterrupted, raw, looking you straight in the eye.

• 1:02:02Adam Friedland?

  The one thing that really hung with me after the movie was over, what do you, what, what part do you think that was?

• 1:02:09Speaker 02

  Tattoos?

• 1:02:11Adam Friedland?

  The tattoos, no.

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  No, okay.

• 1:02:15Adam Friedland?

  The judge.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:18Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, that stuck with you?

• 1:02:20Adam Friedland?

  Oh, I'm still thinking about it.

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

  It's really interesting.

• 1:02:24Speaker 02

  That's the, that's the thing I was talking about where it's like, you just, I stuck, I, I filmed with that guy for like a year and a half. And I, I really did genuinely just meet him in the liquor store. And like, you know, but he was like a great swimming buddy because he was super positive all the time. And, you know.

• 1:02:44Adam Friedland?

  He loved.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, he loved everything he was doing.

• 1:02:47Adam Friedland?

  Really sweet relationship.

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  It was really nice.

• 1:02:49Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  But then this thing happens in his life that is just like, I'm kind of like, how does this, what does this mean?

• 1:02:57Adam Friedland?

  Is it spoiler to?

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:59Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, it's spoiler. Okay, we're not gonna say, but like, that's all I'll say. I do, and we can cut this if you want, but my favorite line from the movie is a line that you deliver.

• 1:03:11Speaker 02

  What's that?

• 1:03:12Adam Friedland?

  Related to the aftermath of the judge's, uh, you know, whatever. The thing that happens to the judge. Can you guess what line that is?

• 1:03:23Speaker 02

  Oh, what advice would you give to an aspiring young Asian judge?

• 1:03:32Adam Friedland?

  My girlfriend was in the other room and she like walked and she was like, what? And I was like, I screamed.

• 1:03:39Adam Friedland?

  That's the best line of the whole movie.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  Oh, but yeah, I'm glad that, that, I'm glad you liked that. That was like, that, I was just like so, I, I had no idea what I was doing in that room. And I was just like, that's the product of like, like the most insane boredom and, and kind of, like, it was genuinely like the only thing I could think of to say. I was like trying to relate with anybody there, but it was like, I didn't speak Mandarin, you know, I.

• 1:04:05Adam Friedland?

  It's the best disguise of character, John, which is like you're in a room full of people that you are, are clearly like, because of language barriers and because of like cultural barriers, like you're an outlier. And you're trying to relate to someone by saying, what advice would you give to an aspiring young Asian judge? Yeah. Uh, okay, but you guys could figure this out? I, I like the little Easter eggs. You guys could figure out what that means.

• 1:04:33Adam Friedland?

  Uh, I guess in conclusion, like, uh, a lot of the new film is about your struggles to find people to back the new film and like to finance the new film and to make the new film. In your career itself, like what, what is the thing that's propelling you and motivating you? Like, what, like, do things occur to you or is there like, I still haven't done this, you know?

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  I have two big things I'm working on right now that came a lot easier so far. It has nothing to do with Kim Kardashian.

• 1:05:06Adam Friedland?

  Two big blood cheeks.

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, two, yeah.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  No, I just, uh, I don't know. I, you know, I don't leave much of the imagination in the concrete movie about like, how I came up with this concept and why it was so difficult. And I think there is something really masochistic there, you know, just like, like if I had to pitch, it's just something I like about doing that, you know? It's like, what's the hardest possible thing to make funny and interesting to people in certain ways? And it's like, if I had to pitch any number of the, out two episodes as a standalone movie, I would have had the same problem.

• 1:05:43Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:43Speaker 02

  And it's like, I don't know. So I kind of, I understand how to work within what people want, I think, to a degree now. And I, I, I kind of, I wanna experiment within that universe a tiny bit, to be really vague.

• 1:06:03Adam Friedland?

  Well, it's a fantastic movie and I, I.

• 1:06:05Speaker 02

  I don't love it.

• 1:06:06Adam Friedland?

  For everyone to go see it.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  That's great.

• 1:06:09Adam Friedland?

  I was thinking we could.

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  We're gonna go all the way, all the way with it.

• 1:06:13Adam Friedland?

  I was thinking we could close on one thing.

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:06:15Adam Friedland?

  I'm gonna try Call Blaine, see if he picks up.

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  Call who?

• 1:06:18Adam Friedland?

  Blaine.

• 1:06:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:06:21Adam Friedland?

  He said, at the end of the night, he was like, take my number. And I was like, wow, he wants to be friends with me, because I was asking him questions all night.

• 1:06:27Speaker 02

  It wasn't some kind of magic number?

• 1:06:30Adam Friedland?

  I don't know. I hope it's his, alright, let's just try. If he picks up and then we could just leave him a voicemail.

• 1:06:38Speaker 02

  He's calling David Blaine. I feel like we left an impression.

• 1:06:42Adam Friedland?

  Leave him a voicemail, just say like, how much?

• 1:06:48Adam Friedland?

  I'm just thinking like.

• 1:06:56Adam Friedland?

  You just say what happened.

• 1:07:03Adam Friedland?

  Maybe he disappeared.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  What his voicemail was like? Telephone number six four six.

• 1:07:14Adam Friedland?

  No.

• 1:07:17Adam Friedland?

  Well.

• 1:07:27Adam Friedland?

  Uh, hello, David. Uh, my, my name is Adam Friedler. We met like a, a couple of years ago. I'm with my friend John Wilson, who I was with when we met you. And we were just, uh, you, uh, your ears must be burning. We were just talking about how phenomenal it was to meet you. He, uh, John just wanted to say hi. He's a filmmaker and he wanted to send you his new, his new movie, his new movie.

• 1:07:48Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:49Adam Friedland?

  History of Concrete, so, uh.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  Yes. Hello, David Blaine. This is John Wilson. I really would like you to see my new movie, The History of Concrete. I think you'll really enjoy it. It's a magical film and being a magician yourself, I think you'll really relate to it. Um, and I am also surprised that your mailbox, uh, is not full. Uh, so I hope this is your real number.

• 1:08:10Adam Friedland?

  I think it's your real, I mean, it's, okay. Uh, anyway, I hope this message finds you well. Uh, if you wanna, uh, uh, my number is seven oh two.

• 1:08:22Adam Friedland?

  Uh, it is three.

• 1:08:24Speaker 02

  You can say your number.

• 1:08:25Adam Friedland?

  On Tuesday, uh, afternoon, and I'm getting married next month also. I don't know why I said that.

• 1:08:31Speaker 02

  Oh, great.

• 1:08:32Adam Friedland?

  Alright, bye.

• 1:08:34Adam Friedland?

  I don't know, that should work.

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  Wow, okay.

• 1:08:35Adam Friedland?

  John Wilson, everyone.

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  Thank you.