EP.282 - KRISTEN SCHAAL

Adam talks with American actor, writer and comedian Kristen Schaal about Joan Proctor the Dragon doctor, why Kristen believes eating after 5pm is disgusting and why the subject of meal times is tearing the Buxton family apart, ideas for films, screen kiss etiquette, what Kristen's work colleagues might be criticising her for behind her back, the crisis in TV production on both sides of the Atlantic and a few of the products in Kristen's life that never let her down. Conversation recorded face-to-face in London on 5 August, 2026 Thanks to Diggory Waite and Claire Broughton at Hattrick and Séamus Murphy Mitchell for production support. Podcast illustration by Helen Green https://helengreenillustration.com/ AN EVENING WITH ADAM BUXTON AT MALDON BOOKS https://maldonbooks.com/event-an-evening-with-adam-buxton - Thursday 15th October, 7pm @ Maldon United Reformed Church, Market Hill, Maldon CM9 4PZ Visit the ADAM BUXTON PODCAST PATREON PAGE http://www.patreon.com/AdamBuxton for previously unheard interviews, Q&A episodes, Rosie pics and videos and other odd and sods. SEND IN PATREON JINGLES AND QUESTIONS mailto:[email protected] See pics, links, jingles, videos and more on ADAM'S WEBSITE https://www.adam-buxton.co.uk/ SUCCESSPOD https://www.audible.co.uk/search?keywords=successpod&k=successpod - 2026 (listen for free with a trial or subscription on Audible) RELATED LINKS PRETENDING TO HAVE A BABY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=470QKnW9_ogKristen Schaal on Comedy Central - 2019 (YouTube) KRISTEN SCHAAL LIVE AT THE FILLMORE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nogaknurdfg Kristen's first stand up special - 2013 (YouTube) KRISTEN IN LAST MAN ON EARTH https://www.imdb.com/video/embed/vi482000153/Short intro video for Kristen's character, Carol Pilbasian - 2015 (IMDB) FLIGHT OF THE CONCHORDS - BEST OF MEL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fab2Ul-L7Pw Featuring Kristen Schaal - (YouTube) THE DAILY SHOW - DAD BODS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRcrHP4xmlg Featuring Kristen Schaal - 2015 (YouTube) BOB'S BURGERS LIVE - HARRY TRUMAN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoWbjrKhCq4 Kristen Schaal and Laura Gibson - 2013 (YouTube) WOULD KRISTEN SCHAAL RATHER BE FUNNY OR LIKEABLE? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B870YN73Hkc Good Talk with Anthony Jeselnik - 2019 (YouTube) JOAN PROCTER DRAGON DOCTOR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRlXsR13uhk by Patricia Valdez, illustrated by Felicita Sala - 2018. Story read by Miss Linda (YouTube) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Adam Buxton?

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• 0:03Adam Buxton?

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• 0:09Speaker 01

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• 0:15Adam Buxton?

  Oh, Steve, I love this dynamic. I'm old and conservative and you're young and progressive and that's what makes the Newswind podcast such great listening. But yes, you're right, I must admit, I didn't know much about Squarespace. But because my new grumble book, Hell in a Handcart, is out this month.

• 0:29Speaker 01

  And I look forward to getting enraged by that.

• 0:31Adam Buxton?

  So I should hope.

• 0:32Speaker 01

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• 0:34Adam Buxton?

  Anyway, the publishers, Bluestar and Dogwhistle, made a beautiful website for the book using Squarespace.

• 0:38Speaker 01

  I know, I got the newsletter that you sent out using Squarespace and the website does look great. Videos of you airing your views, members' areas for your mad fans. You've even got a merch store, I see.

• 0:47Adam Buxton?

  That's right, the Union Jack top hat is a big seller. But they constructed it all so fast with Squarespace. They did most of it over one lunchtime, Steve.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  Well, you wouldn't want to spend much longer on it, would you?

• 0:56Adam Buxton?

  Shut up, Steve. But here's the thing, anyone listening to this can start a free trial right now at Squarespace.com/Buxton and see how easy and versatile Squarespace is. And when they're ready to launch a new website or domain, they can save 10% off their first purchase by using the offer code BUXTON at checkout.

• 1:12Speaker 01

  Right, well, maybe I'll visit Squarespace.com/Buxton and start a new website just to refute all the nonsense in your new book.

• 1:18Adam Buxton?

  Oh, don't do that, Steve.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  I will.

• 1:20Adam Buxton?

  Oh, shut up, Steve.

• 1:21Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 1:22Adam Buxton?

  Shut up. Now, back to more depressing matters on Newswind.

• 1:26Adam Buxton?

  I added one more podcast to the giant podcast bin. Now you have plucked that podcast out and started listening. I took my microphone and found some human folk. Then I recorded all the noises while we spoke. My name is Adam Buxton, I'm a man. I want you to enjoy this, that's the plan.

• 1:58Adam Buxton?

  Hey, how you doing, podcats? It is Adam Buxton here, just pausing on this farm track in Norfolk, UK, to allow my best dog friend Rosie the opportunity for some plop time. She's concluded. Why is it necessary to share that information with the podcats? Just a fun bit of info. They love all that stuff, the podcats, Rosie. I think you underestimate them. I think you're just grumpy because you wanted to stay in your lovely, warm dog bed in mum's office. Uh, yes, I think that may well have something to do with it. Come on, Rosie, it's a lovely, bracing day. It's too windy.

• 2:43Adam Buxton?

  It is a bit David Blowey, but we've got to get out, get some fresh air while we can. These days, it's dark before you know it. Anyway, how are you doing, podcats? I hope you're all well and that some of you have been enjoying the teetering stack of bonus goodies over on the Patreon page. Unheard interviews, Q&A episodes, pictures and videos of Rosie. I mean, it's the best time. You'll find a link to the Patreon page in the description, and that's where you'll also find the address where you can send in questions and anything you like, really, for future Q&A episodes. But right now, let me tell you a little bit about podcast number 282, which features a rambling conversation with American actor,

• 3:28Adam Buxton?

  writer and comedian Kristin Schaal. Schaal facts. Kristin Joy Schaal was born in January 1978 in Longmont, Colorado, and raised on her family's cattle ranch in the countryside near Boulder, where Mork and Mindy was set. She graduated from Skyline High School in 1996, went on to Northwestern University, and in 2000, Kristin moved to New York City to pursue her comedy dreams. Her offbeat, surreal stand-up style quickly found an appreciative audience, and in 2005, Kristin was the second ever recipient of the Andy Kaufman Award,

• 4:14Adam Buxton?

  created by the legendary comedian's family in order to celebrate and encourage Kaufman's spirit of originality, unconventionality, and general risk-taking in performance. Like many people, I first became aware of Kristin through the Flight of the Conchords TV series, when it started in 2007. Kristin played Brett and Jermaine's obsessive superfan Mel, and her scenes were always a highlight. From 2008 to 2016, Kristin appeared as an occasional commentator on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, where her husband, Rich Blomquist, was one

• 4:55Adam Buxton?

  of the writers. Rich and Kristin wrote a book together, which was published in 2010 and entitled The Sexy Book of Sexy Sex. Kristin's distinctive voice, sometimes described as childlike, has made her one of the most recognisable performers in the world of animation. She plays Louise Belcher on Bob's Burgers and Mabel Pines on Gravity Falls, and she voiced several characters on BoJack Horseman, most notably Sarah Lynn, a role that earned her a Primetime Emmy nomination for outstanding character voiceover performance. Kristin also voices Trixie in the Toy Story films. In live action, she played Carol Pilbasian

• 5:40Adam Buxton?

  on The Last Man on Earth, where she starred opposite Will Forte in a post-apocalyptic comedy that aired between 2015 and 2018. Kristin also played characters on shows including 30 Rock and What We Do in the Shadows, and she's appeared in films such as Bill and Ted: Face the Music and the film My Spy and its sequel. On stage, Kristin won a Lucille Lautl Award for her role playing opposite Jeremy Strong in a 2010 Lincoln Center production of The Coward by Orange is the New Black writer Nick Jones. My conversation with Kristin

• 6:20Adam Buxton?

  was recorded face-to-face in London in early August of this year, 2026, while Kristin was in the UK to perform her play The Legend of Crystal Shell, co-starring Bob's Burgers castmate John Roberts. The play was performed at the Edinburgh Fringe and also in London as part of the 2026 Roundhouse Comedy Festival. Now, when Claire Broughton, who is part of the podcast production support team, heard the conversation that I recorded with Kristin, she said, "You didn't talk about Bob's Burgers!" She didn't say it exactly like that. It's

• 6:58Adam Buxton?

  a little karma. But, fair point. I'm sorry. I know people are passionate about that show. I mean, that's partly because, to be honest with you, I don't want to sound too defensive here, but I wasn't as prepared as I would have liked to have been due to the recording having been brought forward a few days at the last minute, unexpectedly. And then Kristin was pressed for time on the day, and she had to get away earlier than anticipated. I'm not complaining. I'm very grateful to have spent any time with Kristin at all. Great to meet her. I had met her once or twice, very briefly, but it was lovely to hang out a little longer. Maybe she'll come back and we can talk about Bob's Burgers and BoJack

• 7:43Adam Buxton?

  Horseman and all that stuff. But actually, it was a nice reminder that sometimes being a little less prepared and under-researched can result in a more natural and free-flowing chat, which I felt was the case with the conversation you are about to hear. We talked about why Kristin believes eating after 5pm is disgusting, and why the subject of mealtimes is tearing the Buxton family apart. We talked about screen kiss etiquette. In a section that, in case you wonder while you're listening, I did ask my wife if it was okay to include.

• 8:24Adam Buxton?

  I had brought along a few fun, random questions to ask Kristin, including the paranoia tweaking, "What might your colleagues at work be criticizing you for behind your back?", which she answered very candidly. We talked about the crisis in TV production, especially in comedy on both sides of the Atlantic, and Kristin described a few of the products in her life that never let her down. I did ask her to do that. She didn't just spontaneously start blithering about products. But we began by talking about Kristin's trip to London Zoo with her daughter,

• 9:04Adam Buxton?

  and we spoke about their love of the pioneering British zoologist Joan Proctor, who I must confess, before speaking to Kristin, I had never heard of. I mean, Kristin does explain a little bit about who she was, but she was a renowned herpetologist. That's a zoologist who studies reptiles and amphibians, born in 1897, who became the first female curator of reptiles at the Natural History Museum while still in her twenties. And later, Joan Proctor was the curator of reptiles at London Zoo, where she redesigned the Reptile House, which opened in 1927, and Proctor's tame Komodo dragon, Sumbawa, would accompany her

• 9:48Adam Buxton?

  for walks around the zoo grounds. Bit of extra info for you there. I'll be back at the end to say goodbye, but right now, with Kristin Schaal, here we go.

• 10:02Speaker 02

  Ramble chat, let's have a ramble chat. We'll focus first on this, then concentrate on that. Come on, let's chew the fat and have a ramble chat. Put on your conversation coat and find your talking hat. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.

• 10:41Speaker 03

  Ooh, this is some nice equipment.

• 10:43Adam Buxton?

  Does this sound okay to you?

• 10:44Speaker 03

  It sounds really good.

• 10:45Adam Buxton?

  All right, great.

• 10:46Speaker 03

  And I don't like the sound of my voice, so.

• 10:48Adam Buxton?

  Oh, come on. You must like the sound of your voice.

• 10:51Speaker 03

  Uh-uh. Are you drinking a beer?

• 10:53Adam Buxton?

  No, it's a, uh, zero alcohol one.

• 10:55Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, I was, um.

• 10:57Adam Buxton?

  But I've got.

• 10:58Speaker 03

  I got excited. I don't want anything. I'm gonna have a.

• 11:01Adam Buxton?

  You sure?

• 11:01Speaker 03

  A gin martini.

• 11:03Adam Buxton?

  With your family?

• 11:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 11:05Adam Buxton?

  Is that, is that, is that the older members of your family, or is that your current family?

• 11:08Speaker 03

  My current.

• 11:09Adam Buxton?

  Your, your young family?

• 11:10Speaker 03

  My husband and my eight-year-old.

• 11:11Adam Buxton?

  Oh, cool, they're in town.

• 11:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, we got in yesterday, so we're like, it's, you know, we're doing pretty good. Today we went to the zoo.

• 11:20Adam Buxton?

  Nice, which one?

• 11:21Speaker 03

  The London Zoo.

• 11:22Adam Buxton?

  London Zoo. It's been a while since I went to the zoo.

• 11:25Speaker 03

  Well, you can feed the penguins.

• 11:27Adam Buxton?

  Can you?

• 11:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:28Adam Buxton?

  I mean, yeah, you'd be upset if you couldn't. What about? What were the other animal highlights?

• 11:36Speaker 03

  Um, there was a little butterfly pavilion-y thing.

• 11:40Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 11:40Speaker 03

  And then, honestly, it was so crowded. And I was a little bit sad, cause, um, we're really into Joan Proctor.

• 11:49Adam Buxton?

  Who's Joan Proctor?

• 11:50Speaker 03

  So Joan Proctor was the first female curator of the reptiles. And I think she got the gig because she's brilliant, and she like, was like sending letters and stuff, and then everybody went to war, and then she like, got the gig. And she would like walk around the zoo with a dragon called, um, the big ones.

• 12:09Adam Buxton?

  There's a Komodo dragon, there's the Gila monster?

• 12:12Speaker 03

  Um, I think it's all of them. And she would just walk around with them on a leash and stuff, and she like, was very inventive about like, their healthcare and how to care for them, and their habitats and stuff. And she, she died when she was in her thirties, but she was just awesome. And there was a children's book called Joan Proctor Dragon Doctor, uh, that Ruby got a few years ago, my daughter. And so we, we were like, let's go see the reptile house. And they're turning it into like, a play space.

• 12:40Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 12:41Speaker 03

  And they have like, a tiny blue plaque of her there. And I, we took our picture by it, but it was just like, the reptile house that they have now, I don't think, well, we went in there, there's nothing about Joan in there. And then like, I thought they'd have a bust or something, you know?

• 12:58Adam Buxton?

  Where does all your Joan Proctor?

• 12:59Speaker 03

  Are we recording before I really start bashing the?

• 13:03Adam Buxton?

  Where does all your Joan Proctor knowledge come from then? Is it all from that book?

• 13:07Speaker 03

  Well, it's mainly from that book, and then I, I dove in a little bit further, not much, but it's just exciting, cause, um, you know, she was just like, so intelligent and so good at what she was doing, and obviously off the beaten path, you know? She like, loved snakes. She got an alligator when she was a kid too, that she also walked on a leash. Thank God for leashes. Um, and so we have a lizard at our house named Zebra, and she's a Rankin's dragon. Um, which is, um, basically it won't get that big. That was my research, cause I don't wanna buy a bigger terrarium.

• 13:47Speaker 03

  Uh, it's, he's still sad that it's in the terrarium. My daughter really wanted it, and she did a hundred chores to get it. But I have sort of fallen in love with it, because I take it outside, you know, and I feed it maggots. And I watch it walk around. And it's like, the one time I can really get an authentic, you know, meditation in, because uh, one time I like, I looked away, or I looked down, and it, you know, a bird can grab it, or it'll run into the foliage and be gone forever. So I have to like, just look at nature, like, really look at nature. And I usually do that for about thirty minutes a day if I can.

• 14:22Adam Buxton?

  How old is it?

• 14:23Speaker 03

  It's, it's about, it's gonna be a year, um, it's about a year old.

• 14:27Adam Buxton?

  Oh, it's a young one.

• 14:28Speaker 03

  Oh, it's baby. It's deep as a baby. I've already seen her shed her skin a couple of times.

• 14:32Adam Buxton?

  And does zebra have stripey skin, hence the name?

• 14:35Speaker 03

  She does a little bit stripey. Yeah, it also has this weird like, it follows the spine, you know, pattern?

• 14:41Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 14:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:43Adam Buxton?

  Did you have those kinds of pets when you were growing up?

• 14:46Speaker 03

  I lived on a farm, so all my pets were free range.

• 14:49Adam Buxton?

  Right. And did you always love animals then? Have you got like, a deep zoological?

• 14:54Speaker 03

  I guess I do. I, I didn't really, um, consider them very important to me growing up, cause they were always around. Um, but my daughter is very invested in animals and cares a lot. She really wants a bird. Don't mean to air our dirty laundry, but I don't want a bird. And that's the one pet I'm like, and I'm like, we're not getting a bird. And it, and it's really some, I don't know, it's just really sticking with her. Um.

• 15:22Adam Buxton?

  How old is she?

• 15:22Speaker 03

  She's eight.

• 15:23Adam Buxton?

  Okay, yeah.

• 15:24Speaker 03

  And we're gonna go to the Tower of London tomorrow, and I know there's a ton of ravens there. She really wants to befriend a raven. She always has.

• 15:33Adam Buxton?

  And I. Are they friendly?

• 15:34Speaker 03

  No, I don't know what it is. I think that's maybe why. I think she likes the challenge.

• 15:39Adam Buxton?

  Right.

• 15:40Speaker 03

  Uh, I heard there is, isn't there like, a keeper of the ravens at, at the tower? Cause that would be a really good job for her. Do you have to be British, or do you have to be like, related to the, to the royal family somehow?

• 15:54Adam Buxton?

  I would hope so.

• 15:57Adam Buxton?

  I mean, let's keep some jobs for British nationals, shall we?

• 16:02Adam Buxton?

  Who is the keeper

• 16:06Adam Buxton?

  of the ravens? By the way, I, there was no sort of, um.

• 16:11Speaker 03

  I'm like, this guy's right wing.

• 16:14Adam Buxton?

  I, I mean.

• 16:14Speaker 03

  I don't know what the right or left is here. I just got here.

• 16:17Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 16:18Speaker 03

  Is it, is it Labour versus?

• 16:19Adam Buxton?

  Labour versus Tories, or Conservatives.

• 16:23Speaker 03

  So Tories are our right, and Labour is our left.

• 16:25Adam Buxton?

  Yes, that's right.

• 16:26Speaker 03

  And there's a lot of middle ground.

• 16:28Adam Buxton?

  There's more and more.

• 16:29Speaker 03

  And a lot of outer ground.

• 16:31Adam Buxton?

  Oh, yeah. And then you've got the wishy-washy middle, that's the Liberals maybe.

• 16:36Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 16:37Adam Buxton?

  And people like me, centrist dads.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 16:40Adam Buxton?

  Known as.

• 16:41Speaker 03

  Okay, the CDs.

• 16:42Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, yeah. What do they call them in the US?

• 16:45Speaker 03

  This, uh, oh, they, oh, hold on. Um, it's independents.

• 16:49Adam Buxton?

  Independents.

• 16:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, they don't choose a side.

• 16:52Adam Buxton?

  Right.

• 16:53Speaker 03

  You know?

• 16:53Adam Buxton?

  Okay, well, this is a little early to pin our colors to the political mast, I think.

• 16:58Speaker 03

  I just wanna know who the keeper of the ravens is, guys, like.

• 17:02Adam Buxton?

  The keeper of the ravens is officially known as the Raven Master.

• 17:05Speaker 03

  Oh my gosh.

• 17:06Adam Buxton?

  And currently, that is yeoman warder Barney Chandler. He is a former Royal Marine who took over the iconic role at the Tower of London. Chandler's responsible for the daily care, feeding and management of the Tower's famous flock of ravens. And he's got a very good uniform, that is, you know, the, the beef eater uniform, black, with a skirt and red piping, and a red crown in the middle of it.

• 17:32Speaker 03

  Does he, how long has he had that gig? Like, can you, and is it till you die? Like, our Supreme Court?

• 17:37Adam Buxton?

  Uh, hang on. How long has Barney Chandler been the keeper of the ravens? This is what everyone out there wants to know. Two and a half years.

• 17:46Speaker 03

  Oh, okay, so he's a real green, he's green.

• 17:49Adam Buxton?

  Yeah. Before, he served as the yeoman warder beef eater for fifteen years.

• 17:54Speaker 03

  Oh, he had his eye on it.

• 17:55Adam Buxton?

  He worked his way up. Anyway, so, he's the guy to talk to, I think, for your daughter. And what other bird would be a good companion? There's a guy out in the country where we are, there's a, a man with a hawk.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:10Adam Buxton?

  And he comes around, he's got the glove and everything, and the hawk goes off and does sorties, and then comes back to him.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  And always comes back to him. I mean, that's her dream. Like, I've told her that a bird in a cage is very, very sad. And I don't want it. Sorry, all you bird owners, it's just me. So, then she's like, well, I'll just befriend a raven in the wild, you know, cause they can recognize faces. Um, and if you betray them, they will tell their young, they'll, everyone knows who your, your face, and they'll like.

• 18:38Adam Buxton?

  They'll cancel you?

• 18:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:40Adam Buxton?

  Right.

• 18:41Speaker 03

  Yeah. So they're real smart. So she's like, fine, I want it to be free, but I want it to be my friend.

• 18:46Adam Buxton?

  Yeah. Oh, well, I hope that journey progresses in a positive way.

• 18:51Speaker 03

  Me too, me too. It, I, it needs to end, or progress to become this hawk dude you're talking about. Who is this guy? He's, he's, he's reminding me of, um, Hamnet, you know, in Hamnet, where his wife, Anne Hathaway, is walking around with a hawk, that, that falcon or hawk follows her around, and when things are real bad, it's circles around to be like, hey, guys.

• 19:15Adam Buxton?

  I haven't seen Hamnet, but I know what you mean.

• 19:17Speaker 03

  I spoiled it.

• 19:18Adam Buxton?

  Yeah. Oh, no. Have you seen The Odyssey?

• 19:21Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 19:22Adam Buxton?

  Of course you have. Did you watch videos of people getting irate on YouTube before you saw it?

• 19:28Speaker 03

  I did not.

• 19:29Adam Buxton?

  But you know what I'm talking about.

• 19:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, I heard.

• 19:32Adam Buxton?

  The culture war.

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, like Elon Musk had some stuff to say. That's, that's sort of the headline I got.

• 19:37Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, it's not historically accurate, and it, I think it erases white people.

• 19:46Speaker 03

  You mean the king, the queen, the son? Uh, sure. I didn't follow it, but I actually think it's kind of nice that people are talking about art at all.

• 19:55Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  Take it.

• 19:58Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, strong opinions about Greek myths. So you are in town to do your play?

• 20:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, The Legend of Crystal Shell. And you might like this. I tried my hand at making music in it. So it's got some songs, quote unquote. Well, I call them song snacks because I don't know if they're like a full meal. But my friend John Roberts plays my dad in it and he is a really good singer. I was like, we should do something together. Do you want to play my horse dad? And then I was like, do you want to sing in it? And he's like, yes. And then he introduced me to this producer. He works with Big Black Delta and we wrote some songs that are in the show and he gets to sing and he's so good.

• 20:41Adam Buxton?

  And what musical instruments accompany you singing?

• 20:45Speaker 03

  Um, we're singing to a track.

• 20:46Adam Buxton?

  Okay.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  So all of them.

• 20:48Adam Buxton?

  Yeah. And do you play?

• 20:50Speaker 03

  I can't afford a band.

• 20:52Adam Buxton?

  Do you play anything yourself?

• 20:54Speaker 03

  No, I've only tried my hand at the hammered dulcimer. Oh, I do play a trumpet in the play.

• 21:00Adam Buxton?

  Uh huh. Do you play it well?

• 21:04Speaker 03

  Oh, I blew it perfect.

• 21:05Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 21:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:06Adam Buxton?

  I mean, I can't believe you didn't mention the trumpet as soon as I asked you if you play any instruments.

• 21:11Speaker 03

  It's like, um, you know, it's a story point. So I forgot.

• 21:15Adam Buxton?

  Okay, I'm just having a sip of my Asahi Dry Zero Alcohol Lager.

• 21:20Speaker 03

  Zero alcohol.

• 21:21Adam Buxton?

  I'm trying to get into it.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm right behind you. I'm probably like maybe three and a half years away.

• 21:27Adam Buxton?

  Oh, you reckon?

• 21:29Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 21:30Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 21:31Speaker 03

  Aren't we all?

• 21:31Adam Buxton?

  I mean, I'm not, maybe, maybe. I'm trying to push that point as far back as I possibly can. I still drink alcohol.

• 21:38Speaker 03

  Oh, you do?

• 21:38Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 21:38Speaker 03

  You just love the taste of beer so much?

• 21:41Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 21:41Speaker 03

  I do like it too.

• 21:43Adam Buxton?

  I mean, it must be like I just associate it with fun.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:47Adam Buxton?

  So having it in the afternoon, it feels like, yay, this is fun.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're like done working.

• 21:53Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 21:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:53Adam Buxton?

  And then the other day, I got one out of the fridge because we also have regular Asahi in our fridge, but the packaging is very similar.

• 22:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 22:03Adam Buxton?

  So I drank what I thought was a zero alcohol lager at lunch while I was working. And then I looked at the can and it had booze in it. And then I started feeling like, oh no, I felt, I felt angry because I'd wasted some alcohol time. Do you know what I mean? Thinking that I was being virtuous.

• 22:22Speaker 03

  Right.

• 22:22Adam Buxton?

  And actually, all I'd done was give myself a mild headache in the afternoon.

• 22:26Speaker 03

  No.

• 22:26Adam Buxton?

  Slowed down my work.

• 22:28Speaker 03

  God, you're so not a madman.

• 22:31Adam Buxton?

  No, I'm not. Were you, are you a, were you a Hellraiser? Are you a Hell? No, you're not a Hellraiser anymore.

• 22:37Speaker 03

  I was never, I mean, I never, well, that's not true. I definitely tried some stuff. I was like, I've never done anything but alcohol. I've, I've tried things, but I never made anything a habit except for alcohol.

• 22:50Adam Buxton?

  Okay.

• 22:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. I know, I don't even smoke cigarettes. I wish I could be like a good marijuana user because everybody who is, seems to be pretty happy and productive for the most part. But I, I can't, I tried, I've tried so many times.

• 23:08Adam Buxton?

  Why? What's the problem with it?

• 23:10Speaker 03

  Well, the main problem is it really hurts if you smoke it. Like, I'm just so delicate there in my lungs. That's every time I'm like, ah! And then, um, and then I find the high to be more of an anxiety of, um, I don't feel right.

• 23:30Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 23:30Speaker 03

  Instead of I feel more free or more focused. Like alcohol, I always just feel more relaxed. That's why it's a habit because it's, a guy love it because it separates work to even just hanging out at home, which is back, I'm hanging out at home more and more. But it's like, and now you can't work because you had some wine. So you're relaxing.

• 23:51Adam Buxton?

  Exactly. That's the cutoff. I know it always used to worry me when people would just be able to drink and work. Like, that's the culture. I don't know what it's like in America, but you know, that kind of madmen culture?

• 24:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know.

• 24:04Adam Buxton?

  When they go out for boozy lunches and things like that. If I did that, I'd have to go to sleep immediately for all the afternoon.

• 24:11Speaker 03

  I don't have enough brain cells for that.

• 24:13Adam Buxton?

  No.

• 24:13Speaker 03

  I think that's, that's something where your tolerance is so high that you're like, I, did I drink? You know, instead of you getting a headache.

• 24:20Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 24:21Speaker 03

  I noticed and I've, I've forgotten this, but like, just walking around at five o'clock and everybody is like pouring, pouring into these pubs. When do they eat dinner? You know, I asked my husband, like, do they, are they having pub food? We're very curious. Or do you just pound a couple, go home and then you make your dinner?

• 24:41Adam Buxton?

  Maybe that. I don't know, because I've been trying to eat earlier. Like I always, my thing was always, I always ate late. And then I had a terrible gut. Sorry if this is TMI.

• 24:53Speaker 03

  Have your listeners heard this?

• 24:55Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, yeah, they're familiar with my gut issues.

• 24:57Speaker 03

  Okay, they're gonna want to know.

• 24:59Adam Buxton?

  I think so. Yeah, I just, after a while, it was like, I couldn't sleep through the night. I'd be waking up with wind issues. There'd be about three or four times. And then I saw.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  Your farts were waking you up.

• 25:10Adam Buxton?

  Well, sometimes, but it wasn't even that. Like, if it was a question of something that could be resolved with a lovely luxurious fart, then that would be one thing. But it wouldn't be that. It would just be general, like, oh, I need to go to the loo. And then you think, oh, no, I don't need to go to the loo. It's just wind build up.

• 25:26Speaker 03

  No, you've got some IBS, you've got stuff.

• 25:29Adam Buxton?

  Yeah. Well, mainly it was just eating too late. Like, what time do you eat in the evening?

• 25:34Speaker 03

  Uh, well, we usually eat around five.

• 25:37Adam Buxton?

  Oh, really?

• 25:38Speaker 03

  I love it. And, and, and when I make dinner plans with friends, I get real fussy if they're pushing anything past the seven o'clock.

• 25:46Adam Buxton?

  Whoa.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  Deadline for me. I'm like, any, any time between five and seven, I want to be eating dinner.

• 25:52Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 25:52Speaker 03

  That's it.

• 25:53Adam Buxton?

  Were you always like that?

• 25:55Speaker 03

  Probably not. Like, if people are eating at eight o'clock or nine o'clock, that just doesn't feel right.

• 26:03Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 26:03Speaker 03

  But I'm also more and more these days, I am going to bed around nine thirty.

• 26:07Adam Buxton?

  Oh, right. Okay. That's very healthy, the lifestyle you're describing. The deal is supposedly, if you don't eat after six, that's the sweet spot, right? Like, after six.

• 26:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:20Adam Buxton?

  Some sort of magical, I think it's called autophagy or something like that. The body starts to cleanse and, and consume itself. That's when you start burning fat, right? And then if you're having a big old evening meal, then that process is eliminated and you just end up waking up three times in the night like me.

• 26:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:42Adam Buxton?

  Because we eat late. Round at our place, you would not like it.

• 26:45Speaker 03

  What time?

• 26:45Adam Buxton?

  Oh, man. We can go, sometimes it's nine thirty and it's chaos. I don't like it.

• 26:51Speaker 03

  Disgusting.

• 26:51Adam Buxton?

  It's disgusting. And that's what I say to my wife.

• 26:54Speaker 03

  So gross. What time are you going to bed?

• 26:57Adam Buxton?

  Like, not that long after.

• 26:59Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 26:59Adam Buxton?

  It's horrible. Food dribbling out from my.

• 27:03Speaker 03

  You're brushing your teeth and you just put the food in there.

• 27:07Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, yeah. Mint flavored chicken. But no, it drives me nuts. It's, I would say that it's, it's up in the top five areas for conflict between myself and my wife.

• 27:18Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 27:19Adam Buxton?

  And when our children were younger, it was, it was a little easier because we all ate at the same time. But now my children are aged between eighteen and twenty-four and they're sort of coming and going and the, the routine is totally all over the place.

• 27:34Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 27:34Adam Buxton?

  So you can't rely on a set meal time, early meal time. It's just, sometimes you have to roll with it. And my technique was always to not roll with it and sulk fairly hard.

• 27:47Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 27:47Adam Buxton?

  And cause a bad atmosphere. But I'm trying not to do that so much.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  I mean, I would just say the law of this house is we're eating at five thirty.

• 27:56Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 27:57Speaker 03

  That's when the meal happens. And if you want to eat later, then you can get your own meal together. And then it might just be you eating alone, but at least you're like, well, that is probably what's happening, right? Because of your bad tummy?

• 28:10Adam Buxton?

  Hmm. Well, I mean, it's generally me and my wife eat together and.

• 28:14Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 28:15Adam Buxton?

  Watch something on TV. But I mean, you know, I would prefer it, the ideal scenario is all of us, right? Sat around the table, sharing great pants, making each other laugh, singing songs, reading poetry. Um, but, and that does happen once in a blue moon.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  Does it? That's cool.

• 28:33Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, yeah, a little bit. Maybe not the reading poetry part.

• 28:35Speaker 03

  Like for Christmas or something?

• 28:36Adam Buxton?

  No, a little more often than that. But that's the thing. It's like, it does happen. And when it happens, it's always so joyful. I'm like, why can't this always happen? Why can't this be the default?

• 28:45Speaker 03

  Do you ever wish, I mean, because you describing that to me, I'm glad you're saying it doesn't always happen because it's disgusting, the way you're bragging about your family right now.

• 28:54Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 28:54Speaker 03

  Um, I wish, I just wish that like, we could all be like ghosts of Christmas past.

• 29:02Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 29:02Speaker 03

  And, um, just be able to observe every single kind of family there is, just to know that it's okay if we're not in euphoria all the time. Like, it's okay if everybody's frowning for this vacation.

• 29:20Adam Buxton?

  I agree with you and I'm always very envious whenever I see families depicted in like comedy dramas and things like that, especially if it's been written by like I've got several friends who've written shows. Where there are family meals happening and the atmosphere, even if it's supposed to be a sort of mildly dysfunctional unit is always essentially great. You know what I mean? Like even if there there's a bit of tension or it'll be like a big Irish family that are always arguing, but essentially they love each other and they're very close and

• 29:55Speaker 03

  Oh, they couldn't sell the film if the theme wasn't family is the most important thing and we love each other.

• 30:03Adam Buxton?

  Exactly. But if the reality of my family was portrayed, it would look like a study in dysfunctional, modern, soulless, you know what I mean? Like meaningless, uh, everyone in their own rooms, looking at devices, not really having proper conversations. Not really interrogating each other when they're obviously unhappy. It'll be, you know, a lot of avoidance and

• 30:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, you should write that movie.

• 30:31Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, okay.

• 30:31Speaker 03

  Have you written any movies?

• 30:33Adam Buxton?

  No, I've written none movies. I've tried a few times.

• 30:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not easy.

• 30:37Adam Buxton?

  It's really, have you?

• 30:39Speaker 03

  I'm working on one and and I've written one with my husband and he writes too, but it's um. Well, you know what? You just have to tell yourself that you can do it.

• 30:49Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, okay.

• 30:50Speaker 03

  Right? Sounds like you told yourself that you couldn't do it.

• 30:53Adam Buxton?

  And I think someone else told me.

• 30:55Speaker 03

  Who? Who is that?

• 30:56Adam Buxton?

  Literally, but I've tried writing with other people. My comedy partner, uh, comedy wife, whatever you want to call them. Joe Cornish, he's written a few films.

• 31:06Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 31:07Adam Buxton?

  He made a film called Attack the Block. Did you ever see it?

• 31:09Speaker 03

  Oh, oh, I love that movie. Oh, my God. You're famous.

• 31:15Adam Buxton?

  Well, I'm famous by proxy.

• 31:19Adam Buxton?

  I have the fame of someone who was extremely envious when their comedy partner went off and actually wrote a fucking film.

• 31:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:26Adam Buxton?

  And I was like, oh no, I can't believe he's written a film and it's really good.

• 31:31Speaker 03

  You didn't think he had it in him?

• 31:32Adam Buxton?

  No, I knew he had it in him, but I wanted to do it with him. That was always the plan. We were gonna, we were gonna do it together.

• 31:39Speaker 03

  But you were, you were gonna write that movie together or a movie?

• 31:42Adam Buxton?

  A movie, yeah. We were going to, we, we started writing like a comedy sci-fi movie. We wanted to write a funny movie.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, we, we need funny movies.

• 31:52Adam Buxton?

  I agree.

• 31:53Speaker 03

  I think you might wanna jump back in.

• 31:55Adam Buxton?

  At some point.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  Is he like free to, are you guys, can you do it? Do you have an idea? Pitch it to me.

• 32:00Adam Buxton?

  I've got a few ideas.

• 32:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:01Adam Buxton?

  Well, my one idea that I think I've talked to someone else on this podcast about was a sort of lonely guy in space movie. Did you ever see the thing with Adam Sandler in it recently? Like, well, it was a bit, also a little bit like Hail Mary.

• 32:17Speaker 03

  I saw Hail Mary.

• 32:18Adam Buxton?

  Right, okay. I mean, it's a genre, right? Bloke in space.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:22Adam Buxton?

  And um, I mean, now at this point, I think maybe there have been too many bloke in space films.

• 32:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:28Adam Buxton?

  But my idea was to have something that was very homemade, low budget and quite crafty, you know, sort of Michel Gondry in space.

• 32:39Speaker 03

  Was that one with um, the, the one that was directed by David Bowie's son?

• 32:46Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, exactly. What's it called?

• 32:48Speaker 03

  Oh, I can't even think of the lead actor who's in everything.

• 32:53Adam Buxton?

  Sam Rockwell.

• 32:53Speaker 03

  Yes. Um. Man on the moon.

• 32:56Adam Buxton?

  What the hell is it called?

• 32:58Speaker 03

  Or

• 32:58Adam Buxton?

  Are you and I the same age?

• 32:59Speaker 03

  You know what? I'm forty eight.

• 33:01Adam Buxton?

  Are you?

• 33:02Speaker 03

  How old are you?

• 33:03Adam Buxton?

  I'm fifty seven.

• 33:04Speaker 03

  Cool. So, so it's crazy that we can relate at all.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  Hey, why don't you take your lonely man? Okay.

• 33:15Adam Buxton?

  And stick him up.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  No, no, well, not quite.

• 33:18Adam Buxton?

  Oh, that was the construction that you were going for.

• 33:20Speaker 03

  Pull him out of space, cause we're all a little like tired of space and put him in a crowded place. Put the loneliness in a crowded place.

• 33:28Adam Buxton?

  Oh.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  Like how we're all feeling these days anyway.

• 33:31Adam Buxton?

  Okay, take the lonely guy out of his spaceship, put him in the world, but the thing that I liked about the spaceship was that it's a very controllable environment. I think that's the attraction of that concept for a director is you can keep it cheap, you know what I mean? And you, and you don't need extras and uh, it's all

• 33:52Speaker 03

  Put him in a bunker.

• 33:54Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, yeah, an isolated environment in the real world. That would be quite good if you had a film about a bloke and you never actually saw the people around him. Okay, this is a good concept. Even he is in a family, like it's not a lonely guy.

• 34:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 34:09Adam Buxton?

  He is someone like me who is part of a actual family.

• 34:12Speaker 03

  But he's not connecting.

• 34:13Adam Buxton?

  But he's not connecting.

• 34:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:15Adam Buxton?

  Because he's being, his efforts to connect are being frustrated by technology, by so many things we take for granted in the modern world, things that were supposed to connect us that have actually separated us in a lot of ways. Yeah.

• 34:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:30Adam Buxton?

  This is good. Has anyone made that film? Like surely someone's made that.

• 34:34Speaker 03

  Uh, this is the first time I'm hearing of it and it's blowing my mind.

• 34:39Adam Buxton?

  This is so good. I mean, the, the, the thing is that if someone did a good job on that, it would be amazing. That would be, I'd love to watch that film.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  Well, call up Cornish.

• 34:49Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, he doesn't wanna work with me anymore. I think, I think I'm not good to work with.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, that's a thing.

• 34:55Adam Buxton?

  Yeah. Have you written with other people before? Yeah. And what role do you take in the room?

• 35:01Speaker 03

  Well, I like to be pitching the ideas.

• 35:05Adam Buxton?

  Okay.

• 35:05Speaker 03

  And then

• 35:06Adam Buxton?

  Walking around, playing with a pencil.

• 35:09Speaker 03

  Yes. I'm getting excited, just, you know, saying no to a lot of other people's ideas uh, as soon as they come out, cause it's not my idea.

• 35:19Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 35:19Speaker 03

  But I, then I, I am getting really good at collaborating in that, like especially writing a scene or whatever. I like to come up with the story and then I like to let my husband write, write the scenes, cause he has seven Emmys and he's

• 35:33Adam Buxton?

  Jesus, where did he get his Emmys?

• 35:35Speaker 03

  On The Daily Show.

• 35:36Adam Buxton?

  Okay.

• 35:37Speaker 03

  So he's really good at writing.

• 35:39Adam Buxton?

  Good work.

• 35:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:40Adam Buxton?

  What's his name?

• 35:41Speaker 03

  Rich Blomquist.

• 35:43Adam Buxton?

  Okay. You see, I would have found all this out if I had done my research. I'm finding out all this stuff. How was the writing done on Concord's? Like, who was the director? I did know the director.

• 35:57Speaker 03

  Well, James Bobin did a lot of directing.

• 35:59Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know James Bobin.

• 36:01Speaker 03

  You know James?

• 36:01Adam Buxton?

  From back in the day.

• 36:02Speaker 03

  He's

• 36:03Adam Buxton?

  I mean, I say I know him. I've met him a couple of times.

• 36:05Speaker 03

  I think they live in Bath or something.

• 36:07Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 36:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:07Adam Buxton?

  I had to kiss his sister in a scene once.

• 36:11Speaker 03

  But she's beautiful.

• 36:12Adam Buxton?

  She was very beautiful. And then it was the first time I'd ever had to do that as an actor. And I didn't know what the protocol was. No one told me how to do it or what you're supposed to do, or there was no kind of intimacy coordinator in those days. Or anything like that. So we just had to have a kiss.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:30Adam Buxton?

  And I, I thought she was very pretty. So I just thought this is weird because what if she realizes that I think she's pretty and that I kind of like kissing her? Am I allowed to like her kissing her?

• 36:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:43Adam Buxton?

  If, if it's a professional thing and is that creepy? And afterwards I felt acutely embarrassed and self-conscious and I didn't know what she was feeling. Do you know, does, does any of this make sense?

• 36:55Speaker 03

  It does. I'm wondering how many takes did you do?

• 37:00Adam Buxton?

  We did, we did a few.

• 37:02Speaker 03

  What was it for?

• 37:03Adam Buxton?

  It was a pilot for a show which was eventually called The Persuasionists.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 37:09Adam Buxton?

  It was about the advertising world.

• 37:12Speaker 03

  Well, I can tell you right now, you were definitely not in character. Or were you?

• 37:18Adam Buxton?

  Well, I think I was.

• 37:19Speaker 03

  Cause your character wanted to kiss her.

• 37:20Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 37:21Speaker 03

  So it's fine.

• 37:22Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, okay.

• 37:23Speaker 03

  I love kissing scenes. I whenever I get to kiss someone, I get very excited.

• 37:26Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 37:27Speaker 03

  I was in a show called Last Man on Earth.

• 37:30Adam Buxton?

  Right.

• 37:30Speaker 03

  About a lonely man. And um, that, in that I would kiss Will Fuerte a lot and every time we had a sex scene, he would eat an omelet of garlic and onions. And then I would come in with my bath over and he'd be laying in the bed and he would be like, hello, Miss Blomquist.

• 37:53Speaker 03

  Just to sort of keep like respect.

• 37:55Adam Buxton?

  Keep it professional.

• 37:56Speaker 03

  But it wasn't a real sex scene, cause the um, network wouldn't let us move our bodies, cause it was a comedy during prime time. So all I could do was just sort of saddle him um, and make animal noises.

• 38:12Speaker 03

  It turned out to be kind of funny though, to see a sex scene where no one's moving.

• 38:17Adam Buxton?

  Yeah. And was there an intimacy coordinator for that?

• 38:20Speaker 03

  No, it was before they were around.

• 38:22Adam Buxton?

  Okay. Have you done jobs since with an intimacy coordinator?

• 38:25Speaker 03

  I don't think so. I don't usually get cast much. And then when I do, it's pretty

• 38:33Speaker 03

  to not touch people. My characters are usually people wanna get away from them.

• 38:39Adam Buxton?

  Okay.

• 38:41Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, because I wonder if now they would give you a little chat about how to kiss someone.

• 38:48Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 38:49Adam Buxton?

  What to do. It's pretty embarrassing. I really thought that it was just gonna be straightforwardly fun. I remember cycling to the set that day and thinking, I'm an actor and I'm gonna kiss a beautiful woman today. This is fun. And then as soon as we were in the situation, I was like, oh no, this is weird and it's really embarrassing. And I'm not sure what the right thing to do here is.

• 39:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, you said that you wanted to know what she thought.

• 39:16Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 39:16Speaker 03

  Why didn't you just ask her?

• 39:18Adam Buxton?

  I did. I, I, well, I sort of said, I said, was that okay?

• 39:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:22Adam Buxton?

  Uh, and she was like, yeah, yeah, fine. But it seemed, I mean, it was, it was difficult because it wasn't a great scene anyway.

• 39:29Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 39:29Adam Buxton?

  So we both, I think, felt a little embarrassed by

• 39:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, that your motivation was not there. What you wanted to say was, are you falling in love with me a little?

• 39:39Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, that's

• 39:40Speaker 03

  As you.

• 39:41Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 39:42Speaker 03

  Uh, Miss Bobin.

• 39:44Adam Buxton?

  It wouldn't really have been appropriate because I was married.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 39:50Adam Buxton?

  So, I mean, I wasn't

• 39:53Adam Buxton?

  I don't know if this is

• 39:55Speaker 03

  It's not gonna make it in.

• 39:56Adam Buxton?

  This might all get cut.

• 39:59Adam Buxton?

  No, it was like, that's the thing. It's like, there was no question of anyone falling in love with anyone.

• 40:04Speaker 03

  No.

• 40:04Adam Buxton?

  But it was just like, oh, here's a nice little bonus about being an actor. So I'd use the word bonus.

• 40:10Speaker 03

  No, totally. It's in the Nathan Fielder show, if you've ever seen it.

• 40:15Adam Buxton?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 40:15Speaker 03

  Where they're like, so you just get to make out with people and it's okay? And yeah.

• 40:22Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, that's right. As long as they've eaten a lot of garlic. Beforehand and made it absolutely clear that they're repellent.

• 41:26Adam Buxton?

  Here's a heavy question for you.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 41:28Adam Buxton?

  In your worst fears, Kristin, what might your colleagues at work be criticizing you for behind your back?

• 41:34Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 41:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think, yeah, I think they would, my worst fears is that I suck at acting. That I'm annoying. Oh, I think that being annoying is probably.

• 41:50Adam Buxton?

  How are you annoying?

• 41:51Speaker 03

  Um, I think that sometimes I get really enthusiastic and excited and just come out acting like just a real dork.

• 42:01Adam Buxton?

  Why is it? It's good to be enthusiastic and excited.

• 42:04Speaker 03

  I agree. This is my worst fear.

• 42:05Adam Buxton?

  Okay.

• 42:06Speaker 03

  And, and I'm thinking about colleagues that I obviously are not close or good friends of mine. Cause I've been in jobs long enough where I feel there's nothing better than feeling completely accepted at all your levels of happiness and being annoying and being kind of bitchy. And knowing that you're gonna come back tomorrow and you're never gonna lose them. But there's been other colleagues where I'm, I can tell it's a real delicate walk. And I usually try to contain and respect. But um, I could think that they would say I'm annoying.

• 42:42Adam Buxton?

  And they, what kind of people are they? Are they just sort of too cool for school or what?

• 42:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think honestly, I think they're people who are feeling vulnerable. I find that something that's helped me through this career when people are being unhappy at work. Um, I realize that they're feeling very vulnerable and um, as soon as I like honed in on that, I'm like, oh, okay. That's what's masking that. They're actually a person who's feeling weak and this is what they do. And then I kind of feel like nurturing towards this person. And I feel better even though they're kind of being a dick.

• 43:22Adam Buxton?

  Yes. Do you think that that's what's happening when actors lose it on set? And um, you know, those videos of people going absolutely ballistic, like Christian Bale on the set of Terminator Salvation?

• 43:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:37Adam Buxton?

  You know that one?

• 43:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've heard it. It's bad. Yeah. I love Christian Bale so much though. He's one of my favorites.

• 43:44Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, well, I mean, the thing is that everyone who has worked with him, none of them have a bad word to say about him.

• 43:50Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 43:50Adam Buxton?

  They just were saying that, you know, it was tough set, stressful shoot. It happens.

• 43:56Speaker 03

  It happens. Yeah.

• 43:58Adam Buxton?

  I don't think I would do something like that because I would never be free enough.

• 44:03Speaker 03

  Oh, interesting. Right. He's letting like all his id's and you know, he's in this flow. He's like lost himself.

• 44:09Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 44:10Speaker 03

  That's a good point. Um.

• 44:12Adam Buxton?

  I would bottle it up and just be passive aggressive for a few days.

• 44:16Speaker 03

  Did they like that kiss? How did they feel about that kiss?

• 44:20Adam Buxton?

  Exactly.

• 44:21Speaker 03

  It still haunts me.

• 44:23Adam Buxton?

  The question I just asked you, in your worst fears, what might your colleagues be criticizing you for behind your back? Came from a book of sort of psychology and questions about psychology. And it says beneath that question, there is no point being squeamish here. Your fears are correct. Anything you might suspect others might think is already a reality. The point is not to escape such imagined gossip, but to take gracious measures to deal with its almost certain existence.

• 44:55Speaker 03

  Wow, that goes against this belief that I've been really relying on, which is that nobody cares more about you than you.

• 45:04Adam Buxton?

  But I think that's also true.

• 45:05Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 45:06Adam Buxton?

  I think that both things can be true. Like there can be truth to some of your worst fears and you may have identified them for good reasons. But it is also the case that actually, so what? It doesn't really matter. Like to, to the other people, it is not a significant issue. No one is going around saying, you know, Kristin Schaal is so annoying to work with because she's really enthusiastic and I just don't believe anyone is saying that.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  Maybe they don't like the sound of my voice.

• 45:38Adam Buxton?

  Now, look, let's talk about the sound of your voice, which you've referred to a couple of times in a disparaging way.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  Oh, right. I love the sound of my voice. It's, it's brought me a lot of good fortune.

• 45:49Adam Buxton?

  Well, exactly.

• 45:51Adam Buxton?

  It's great.

• 45:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's good.

• 45:52Adam Buxton?

  Because it's also fairly adaptable, right? You can take it to different places and.

• 45:57Speaker 03

  A little bit. It's mostly just this.

• 45:59Adam Buxton?

  And it has brought you into an amazing world of opportunities and parts and oh, this is my wife calling.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  Well, are you gonna pick up? I mean, after that kissing story, you better pick up.

• 46:15Speaker 03

  Are you coming back?

• 46:16Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 46:16Speaker 03

  Are you coming back to Norwich?

• 46:18Adam Buxton?

  Okay. Oh, no, I've missed it now.

• 46:19Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 46:20Adam Buxton?

  She's gone to voicemail.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  Adam. When you come back to Norwich, just so you know, we're eating at ten twenty.

• 46:27Adam Buxton?

  Oh, she's phoning again.

• 46:28Speaker 03

  Oh, this must be bad.

• 46:30Adam Buxton?

  Hi, I'm recording at the moment. I'm recording with Kristin Schaal.

• 46:35Speaker 03

  Hi.

• 46:36Adam Buxton?

  And that's okay. And she said, the first time you phoned, I said, oh, it's my wife. And she said, you better get it. Now, I said, no, I'm just gonna let it go to voicemail. But she said, I bet she's calling to ask you if you're coming back to Norwich tonight.

• 46:49Speaker 03

  This is good American accent.

• 46:50Adam Buxton?

  And she's, she's right. Kristin, that's exactly why she was calling.

• 46:56Adam Buxton?

  I'm, I'm not coming back to Norwich tonight. I'm coming back tomorrow morning. Okay. I love you. Bye. Thank you.

• 47:04Speaker 03

  You gotta keep that in the podcast. That's so fun.

• 47:06Adam Buxton?

  Be delightful, me, me being pleasant on the phone. What would your fantasy review say? This is a, another career question.

• 47:16Speaker 03

  You know, I actually already got it. I don't remember, I was looking through some old articles or something old. And it was when I was doing stand up when I was young, you know? And I had this uh, real drive in me that was kind of unrealistic, which was that I wasn't gonna do the same set. When I went to another venue, I would do a completely new set. Like I was, I didn't want anyone to see me repeat. Like I always wanted them to see what I did and it would be a surprise.

• 47:50Adam Buxton?

  Oh, my God. Were you making stuff up or did you just have a big pool?

• 47:53Speaker 03

  I wasn't making it up. I was writing it and it was, it wasn't traditional stand up either. It was like uh, kind of sketchy characters, you know, doing different acting like, oh, I thought I'm, I thought this was a poetry slam. You know, stuff like that. And um, in the long run, it didn't make me better at stand up. Because I wasn't honing any jokes or making them better. And I just remember, I don't know who wrote it. It was a stranger. I don't even remember where I read it, but someone said, you know, I've seen her at these different places and she's always doing something different. You know, like someone happened to witness it. Cause I was, and no one would have known I was doing it. So one person noticed it and that's just enough.

• 48:35Speaker 03

  I was like, that made me, filled my whole chest with a warm feeling of like, okay.

• 48:41Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 48:42Speaker 03

  I couldn't get any good comedy specials from it. You know, I wasn't like climbing the ladder like you were supposed to. I was kind of torpedoing myself.

• 48:50Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, cuz every time you're starting from scratch, essentially, you can't.

• 48:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:53Adam Buxton?

  Can't kind of polish that bit, which is the, that's the model really for a lot of comedians, right? Is that they just hone, especially in the States, it feels like.

• 49:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:05Adam Buxton?

  They get twenty minutes and they just polish and polish and polish and polish until it is solid gold.

• 49:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, and then the person gets to see that set. They're gonna see a fucking great set, you know?

• 49:15Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  Anyways, I never did that.

• 49:18Adam Buxton?

  I agree. I felt like that too. I mean, I didn't do that much live comedy stuff, but I always felt like I had to do something different or write a new thing. And it was always bad because of that, because I hadn't given it time to.

• 49:34Speaker 03

  Marinate.

• 49:35Adam Buxton?

  Every now and again, it would be okay. You know what I mean?

• 49:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:38Adam Buxton?

  It'd go well. You'd have a sympathetic crowd. But more often than not, it would be like, oh, no, of course it's bad. You already just wrote it an hour ago.

• 49:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:46Speaker 03

  But isn't it surprising?

• 49:47Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  So new.

• 49:50Adam Buxton?

  Have you had a bit of criticism either from a reviewer or on, under a YouTube video or something like that that's stuck in your head?

• 49:57Speaker 03

  You know, when they first started doing it, I did, and I don't even remember what it was anymore. Dimitri Martin and I were discussing it and he pointed out that like, you know, human nature is that you look for the snake, you know? Cuz I remember when I read it, I was like, there's all these good things and I only picked the one and I, and it was all I thought about. So when he put it in that perspective, that's just how you're, um, what is it? Amy DeGala?

• 50:26Adam Buxton?

  Amygdala?

• 50:26Speaker 03

  Amygdala, that's just your amygdala. Then I was like, okay.

• 50:29Adam Buxton?

  I like Amy DeGala, though.

• 50:30Speaker 03

  I know. Well, we're, yeah, we're trying to, that could be the name of your.

• 50:34Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 50:35Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, for writing this new show, cuz I think making a show is harder to the more famous you get. You know, I'm not that famous at all. I'm going where I want. But like, um, you can't be a girl who thought she was at a poetry slam anymore. And that really threw me for a long, long time about how to, how to do it. And, and I just kind of froze in creating stuff for years, and especially having a kid. That also, it's not her fault, but it was like, oh, I'm busy. But I realized when I started, when I really wanted to write this again, that I was saying the meanest things I could possibly say to myself.

• 51:18Speaker 03

  And so, like, whatever happens when this comes out, whatever reviews I get, it doesn't matter. It can't be worse. I dare them to say anything worse than I haven't already thought. So that actually emboldened me. I'm like, okay, well then, fine. You lived. You said the worst things possible and you still wanna do the show? Cool. All right.

• 51:40Adam Buxton?

  And that's the worst things you're telling yourself in the process of putting it together?

• 51:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, in the process.

• 51:45Adam Buxton?

  Things that you think people would criticize it for once it came out?

• 51:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, and they might, and they might. We've only done it eight times. So I hope they don't, but it's fine. I don't care. Also, I say like, if you watch it and you don't like it, I feel like there's still a service that I was able to do, which is hone your taste. You're like, right? Like, ugh, I hated that.

• 52:08Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 52:08Speaker 03

  But I really like this, you know? Or you, if you watch it and you love it, cool. I mean, I like to do things that are a little weird and another great comment that I got after sort of experimenting with it at a small club one night is a comedian. A new comedian came up to me and she was like, I didn't know you could do weird stuff like that. And I was like, oh, you can. And please do, like more, more, please. I mean, now I'm feeling like a real jerk. But if it's inspiring in any way, even if it inspires you to never wanna make anything like it, then, then I feel like it's worth it. Art's worth it at the end of the day.

• 52:46Adam Buxton?

  I agree with you. To see something that is at least trying to be different.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:53Adam Buxton?

  Even if it doesn't work, it's sort of more satisfying than seeing something that is absolutely safe and very polished.

• 53:00Speaker 03

  Exactly. I don't know if this thing is fully baked.

• 53:03Adam Buxton?

  I like half-baked things. What's nicer than a cookie that's chewy in the middle?

• 53:07Speaker 03

  There's some dough. There's probably some dough, but I gotta put it out.

• 53:12Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, I said cookie there, um, to accommodate you as an American. Normally, I would say biscuit.

• 53:16Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. And I would just think of a dog treat. Thank you.

• 53:23Adam Buxton?

  Uh, I listened to a couple of Maria Bamford's audiobooks. She is absolutely self-lacerating about some of her experiences of going out and gigging.

• 53:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:34Adam Buxton?

  And the heckles that she got and like touring in England particularly, she's got some real horror stories.

• 53:41Speaker 03

  Oh, oh, no.

• 53:42Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  Geez.

• 53:43Adam Buxton?

  Am I stressing you out?

• 53:44Speaker 03

  Yes. Especially in London. That's when they really yell mean things at you.

• 53:48Adam Buxton?

  They're gonna be so pleased to see you. What's your, are your family with you throughout the run that you're doing?

• 53:55Speaker 03

  They'll see the first show in Edinburgh and then they're gonna peel off. But I really wanted to bring Ruby to, my daughter, to Edinburgh to see. Like, it's been so long since I've been there, but it's, I think it's got the same vibe, which is like, everybody's making art. That was so empowering too, you know, I know, like, the industry keeps constricting, right? Everybody's talking about it. And it's constricting for longer than I thought it would and tighter than we all imagined. But you can put a show up. Like, that's what the fringe taught me. And you can put a show up in a bathroom and hand out flyers and that's your show. And, you know, it, it's so empowering and it's so valuable.

• 54:40Speaker 03

  Even just like, when I got in touch with people about putting a show up here, the conversation wasn't like in the States. It's like, well, why are you doing this? Are you trying to get it on Netflix? You know? The conversation was, it was about the development, just making live theater was important. Um, I feel like people in the United Kingdom take better care of that.

• 55:05Adam Buxton?

  Oh, well, that's good. I mean, I'm sure there's the, there's definitely the kind of more careerist aspect of the industry that is here as well. I mean, it's, uh, yeah, it has to be. But you talked about the industry sort of constricting over in the US. How does that manifest itself? How do you characterize that?

• 55:26Speaker 03

  Well, a lot of my friends are moving, you know, out of Los Angeles, you know, or they're leaving New York. Like, there's no work. There's no jobs.

• 55:34Adam Buxton?

  Because shows like, for example, comedy shows aren't being commissioned in the same volume?

• 55:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's, half the TV shows are getting made this last couple of years, half. So most of my friends, my husband, they're all writers. Like, those are the people that I, like, hang out with the most. Um, there's no jobs.

• 55:56Adam Buxton?

  And that's happening. Why?

• 55:59Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 56:01Adam Buxton?

  Tell me.

• 56:01Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't know. I think it's because of technology is ruining everything, which is gonna, you know, dovetail back into your film. I think why it hurts so much is that there was a real golden age of work where the streamers were competing for content and everybody was getting to make shows. Everybody was writing. Everybody was acting. I was so excited. Oh, you got your first job. Good. Woo, you got that fast. That's great. You know, like, yes.

• 56:31Adam Buxton?

  And this was about six years ago?

• 56:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And then they stopped, you know, they, they, they changed the model. They didn't need that. They were losing money. They gambled in payoff or whatever, or they got what they needed. I don't know. I don't know what happened.

• 56:45Adam Buxton?

  I suppose they found out that a lot of those shows were not financially viable, that they could get the same amount of attention from a stand-up special that was easy to film.

• 56:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:57Adam Buxton?

  And that became the kind of dominant model. Sketch shows are always very expensive because there's so many different.

• 57:04Speaker 03

  Sets.

• 57:04Adam Buxton?

  Sets and makeup and et cetera. Yeah, anything that's expensive, that has lots of people and writers and that's all being paired right back. I mean, that's the same in the UK as well.

• 57:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. I don't like it.

• 57:18Adam Buxton?

  No, currently over here, it's shows that have a cast. And so it'll be a panel show idea and they'll get sort of between six and twelve people together, funny people, comedians or whatever, and they'll cast it. And they'll shoot a load of episodes in one day. You know what I mean? You've got your central idea. And, I mean, it's quite cheap to film. The comedians do well out of it cuz they get a decent fee to do that. So they just film loads. They film for a whole day and then.

• 57:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:52Adam Buxton?

  Make eight episodes out of it or whatever. That's one of the most boring sentences I've ever said, I think.

• 57:58Speaker 03

  Are you serious? Well, you should keep it.

• 58:01Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, okay.

• 58:03Adam Buxton?

  Um, so

• 58:04Speaker 03

  Oh, I gotta go.

• 58:05Adam Buxton?

  How are you gonna get there?

• 58:06Speaker 03

  A cab? How do I get one?

• 58:07Adam Buxton?

  I'll get you an Uber.

• 58:09Speaker 03

  Oh, thanks. Are you sure? It's gonna cost, no, no, no, it'll cost too much.

• 58:12Adam Buxton?

  No, no.

• 58:13Speaker 03

  Are you getting a lot of ad money for this? Not this one, but for others?

• 58:17Adam Buxton?

  I'm getting enough that I can get you an Uber. Uh, while I'm ordering the Uber, think about the answer to this question. What three things slash products in your life consistently deliver for you? Brackets not deliveroo.

• 58:34Speaker 03

  What three uh things in my life constantly deliver?

• 58:38Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, like never let you down. You love them. You there, you keep coming back to them.

• 58:41Speaker 03

  Oh, that's fine. See, now I wanna say alcohol, but not that's, then they'll be like, and that's, and now she's dead. Three things that always make me happy?

• 58:52Adam Buxton?

  You can rely on it. It always does the job. I'll, I'll give you an example. For me, it is Gorilla Tape.

• 58:59Speaker 03

  Oh, I got one.

• 59:00Adam Buxton?

  You got one?

• 59:01Speaker 03

  I have a backpack that was given to me probably 12 years ago. Oh my God, it's such a good backpack. It's traveled the world. I bring it everywhere. The zipper has never broken, but if it does, it's got a lifetime warranty. It's not fraying. It's not like, you know, it is on the more expensive side, but you won't buy another one.

• 59:22Adam Buxton?

  Uh huh.

• 59:23Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? So, so my backpack.

• 59:26Adam Buxton?

  Why is it so good? Because it's got different compartments?

• 59:29Speaker 03

  Well, it has, it's durable and it has the, yeah, the right amount of, you learn to adapt to whatever the compartments offer you.

• 59:35Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 59:36Speaker 03

  The other thing is, and I should have, I didn't bring it, but it's a raincoat. I got it in Seattle. It's also made in Japan. This is a raincoat. I wear it in a pouring rain. Um, I'm completely dry and the water is like rolling off me like a duck's back. It's so good.

• 59:57Adam Buxton?

  And it doesn't get too sweaty?

• 59:59Speaker 03

  That's the thing. It does make me a little hot.

• 1:00:02Adam Buxton?

  Okay.

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  So I can't wear it to like New Orleans, you know, during a rainstorm.

• 1:00:07Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:08Speaker 03

  I think, you know, but I've had to think about this because we had such bad fires last year where lots and more friends of mine lost their homes in that way. And it was this thing where it's like, wow, you're gonna lose all your stupid stuff. What's not stupid enough that you're gonna be sad about?

• 1:00:24Adam Buxton?

  Okay, yeah. Well, this is exactly the question.

• 1:00:27Speaker 03

  I thought I'd grab that raincoat.

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:00:33Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, perfect. Have you got one more?

• 1:00:35Speaker 03

  Oh, and my undies. They're called Thunder Pants. I don't know if you can get them here. They're made in Portland and New Zealand and they just really cover everything.

• 1:00:43Adam Buxton?

  Okay.

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  They're made by women, Thunder Pants. I'll always plug them.

• 1:00:53Adam Buxton?

  This is an ad for Squarespace. Okay, we'll return to the AI apocalypse in just a wee wee moment, but first I wanted to talk about Squarespace. Do you know about Squarespace, Steve?

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Uh, yes, Monty. I think I might even be a little bit more tuned into modern tech, websites, et cetera, than you. I don't know, just guessing.

• 1:01:09Adam Buxton?

  Oh, Steve, I love this dynamic. I'm old and conservative and you're young and progressive and that's what makes the Newswind podcast such great listening. But yes, you're right. I must admit, I didn't know much about Squarespace, but because my new grumble book, Hell in a Handcart, is out this month and I look forward to getting enraged by that, so I should hope.

• 1:01:28Adam Buxton?

  Anyway, the publishers, Bluestar and Dogwhistle, made a beautiful website for the book using Squarespace.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  I know, I got the newsletter that you sent out using Squarespace and the website does look great. Videos of you airing your views, members areas for your mad fans. You've even got a merch store, I see.

• 1:01:41Adam Buxton?

  That's right. The Union Jack top hat is a big seller, but they constructed it all so fast with Squarespace. They did most of it over one lunchtime, Steve.

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  Well, you wouldn't wanna spend much longer on it, would you?

• 1:01:50Adam Buxton?

  Shut up, Steve. But here's the thing, anyone listening to this can start a free trial right now at Squarespace.com/boxton and see how easy and versatile Squarespace is. And when they're ready to launch a new website or domain, they can save 10% off their first purchase by using the offer code BOXTON at checkout.

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  Right, well, maybe I'll visit Squarespace.com/boxton and start a new website just to refute all the nonsense in your new book.

• 1:02:12Adam Buxton?

  Oh, don't do that, Steve.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  I will.

• 1:02:14Adam Buxton?

  Oh, shut up, Steve.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 1:02:15Adam Buxton?

  Shut up. Now, back to more depressing matters on Newswind.

• 1:02:21Adam Buxton?

  Continue.

• 1:02:32Adam Buxton?

  Hey, welcome back, podcasts. That was Kristin Schall talking to me there before the interlude. And it was very nice to be able to hang out and talk to Kristin a little bit longer than I have done in the past. I met her a couple of times, very briefly, but this was really our first opportunity to talk properly. Although I could have talked to her for a lot longer. Maybe she'll come back. I hope she will one day. And I can ask her about Bob's Burgers and BoJack Horseman and The Last Man on Earth and her stand-up comedy and you know, we talked a bit about that, I guess, but she's really funny. If you ever get the opportunity to see her live, I would take it.

• 1:03:18Adam Buxton?

  I've put a few links to some of her stand-up bits in the description. Watching them again today really made me laugh. Actually, one of the times we did meet before, although I don't know if I got the chance to talk to her properly, was when I was on a bill at the Hundred Club years ago, like 2011 or thereabouts.

• 1:03:47Adam Buxton?

  I might be totally off about that, but it was around that era. And David Cross, the American comedian, was in London doing a series of shows at the Hundred Club and he invited lots of friends along to perform, mainly Americans, actually. It was a little gang that he came over with. I just looked it up and it says David Cross and Friends was June 2007. Blimey, was it that long ago? And he had with him appearing every night that week, Todd Barry, amazing comedian, appearing, Kristin Schaal, Eugene Merman. The new pornographers were playing, maybe not every night. And then he had British guests,

• 1:04:33Adam Buxton?

  of which I was one. Simon Munneri, I think, did one. Can't remember who else was on. Anyway, I was on the bill one night. I did a character thing, famous guy, maybe. And afterwards, we all went for a Chinese meal in Soho and I got into a weird conversation with David Cross about taking heroin. He'd been talking about having taken it on stage and I was saying, it sounded bad. And he was saying, that's not that bad, actually. I was saying, yeah, I think it is bad. And uh

• 1:05:15Adam Buxton?

  I ended up feeling quite conservative. But you know what? And I'm really sorry if this is disappointingly square. But I'm sticking with my conviction that heroin is to be avoided. All right, there you go. I'm putting it out there. Fuck it. Anyway, all of that meant that I didn't really talk to Kristin that night. Don't know how Kristin feels about heroin. Maybe it's a question of don't take it after 5pm.

• 1:05:46Adam Buxton?

  By the way, speaking of all that mealtime stuff and the potential health benefits, I had a quick look on the internet afterwards. And it says, yeah, it's generally a good thing to eat less in the evenings, good for the gut, good for digestion, good for sleep, et cetera. But if you're thinking about it in terms of weight loss, it's not the be all and end all. It's more important to eat a healthy meal of non-processed food at whatever time you can, rather than stuff yourself with snacks, thinking that as long as you do it before 6pm, it won't count.

• 1:06:30Adam Buxton?

  Okay, I have done that once or twice, but I try not to do it anymore. Thank you so much, though, to Kristin Schaal for coming along. It was great to sit down with her. Thank you very much indeed to my podcast production team, Claire Broughton and Diggory Waite, who look after the Patreon page as well. Don't forget to go and explore all the bonus stuff that we have waiting for you on the Patreon page. There's a link in the description. Thanks very much to Seamus Murphy Mitchell as well for his production support. Thanks to everybody at Acast for liaising with my sponsors. Much appreciated. Thank you to Helen Green for her beautiful artwork. But thank you most of all to you

• 1:07:15Adam Buxton?

  for listening, for coming back, for telling all your friends. Hey, you know what? A lot of these other podcasts are more visible and make more noise, but there's one that I really, really love, that I always come back to, that I listen right to the end of, and I really want to recommend it to you. It's called The Joe Rogan Experience and uh

• 1:07:42Adam Buxton?

  ah, come on, we have fun, don't we? Speak for yourself. Come on, Rosie, you have fun. We're gonna get a treat when you get back. Not just a script scratch, but an actual stinky stick from your special treat box.

• 1:07:58Adam Buxton?

  And speaking of treats, come here. Good to see you.

• 1:08:03Adam Buxton?

  Thanks a lot for coming back. You smell so nice. What is that fabric softener that you use? Till the next time that we share the same aural space. Please go carefully because it's ludicrous out there. And for what it's worth, I love you. Okay?

• 1:08:21Adam Buxton?

  Bye.