$1M Trading Cards Heist, Trevor Milton Returns, The Death Of Common Courtesy | Diet TBPN

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• 0:01John Coogan?

  What is the top story today? Thievery at PSA.

• 0:08John Coogan?

  On October 13th, thieves broke into a FedEx truck outside of PSA's California headquarters. Wait, they were waiting outside of the headquarters? That's shooting fish in a barrel. That's crazy.

• 0:21Jordi Hays?

  I mean, that seems pretty smart.

• 0:22John Coogan?

  That is smart.

• 0:23Jordi Hays?

  Like, the, it's, it's actually similar to money.

• 0:28John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 0:29Jordi Hays?

  In the, in, in the sense of like how dense.

• 0:31John Coogan?

  Yeah, go to the bank, go to the mint. They basically robbed the mint. So yeah, these are trading cards, extremely valuable. A lot of them are stolen.

• 0:39Jordi Hays?

  To some people.

• 0:40John Coogan?

  To the market, Jordy. To the market.

• 0:45Jordi Hays?

  Some people find them extremely valuable.

• 0:46John Coogan?

  So PSA, of course, grades the trading cards and a FedEx truck outside of the California headquarters was robbed and the thieves stole nearly $1 million of graded trading cards that were being shipped back to customers. Here are the facts. FedEx truck was parked right outside PSA's grading center where they actually rate the cards for their quality in Santa Ana before it was broken into. The driver left the truck unattended for 60 to 90 minutes and returned to find the truck.

• 1:17Jordi Hays?

  What are you doing?

• 1:18John Coogan?

  This is kind of an own goal at this point.

• 1:20Jordi Hays?

  No, inside job.

• 1:21John Coogan?

  Inside job. Okay, maybe get the tinfoil hat out.

• 1:25Jordi Hays?

  Inside job.

• 1:26John Coogan?

  So, uh, the truck driver left the truck attended for 60 to 90 minutes and returned. Oh no, they broke into my truck. The lock was broken. Three pallets were stolen from the truck full of already graded cards. Two pallets had around 100 packages each in them and the third pallet had 50 packages totaling 250 packages of cards stolen. The value of the first two pallets is estimated to be around $963,000.

• 1:53Jordi Hays?

  That's to some people.

• 1:54John Coogan?

  To some people.

• 1:59Jordi Hays?

  Like Dylan, our president, he values trading cards.

• 2:02John Coogan?

  Potentially higher than this. PSA is still figuring out the value of the third pallet. The one thing worked against the thieves is that every PSA graded card has a unique certification number. And PSA has deactivated the certification numbers of the stolen cards. So if you go try to sell the cards, they'll say, oh, that particular SKU has been stolen.

• 2:21Jordi Hays?

  They would say this card is worthless.

• 2:23John Coogan?

  Yeah, basically. It probably won't stop the thieves from selling them on black markets. Who's buying black market trading cards? For the collectors that were affected, PSA says it's figuring out compensation based on the fair market value of the cards, but the payout is capped at the insurance limits the collectors chose at checkout. Uh, some of the effectors, oh, whoa, so if you sent your cars into PSA, you got the insurance?

• 2:46Jordi Hays?

  I feel like PSA's gotta, gotta eat this one.

• 2:50John Coogan?

  Yeah, this happened like at the PSA headquarters. No, no, it wasn't their driver. It was the FedEx driver.

• 2:54Jordi Hays?

  I know, but you, you used a service that was completely incompetent.

• 2:58John Coogan?

  So you think PSA is on the hook?

• 2:59Jordi Hays?

  And I think PSA should take it up with FedEx.

• 3:01John Coogan?

  Well, yeah, you would think that PSA's insurance would cover it, but it's off the property.

• 3:05Jordi Hays?

  Check the box with the extra insurance. A lot, like a lot of that stuff is, a lot of those like, check the box for insurance things are basically scams.

• 3:15John Coogan?

  It seems like they, they, they designed this properly.

• 3:18Jordi Hays?

  I know, but they should insure, their job is to ship valuable trading cards.

• 3:23John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:24Jordi Hays?

  Valuable. Around the world.

• 3:27John Coogan?

  In quotes.

• 3:28Jordi Hays?

  Every, every shipment should be fully insured.

• 3:31John Coogan?

  What are we doing here? What is this? Okay, this is a One Piece character. It's from anime. That was valued at $500,000.

• 3:40Jordi Hays?

  In quotes.

• 3:42John Coogan?

  Some people are paying $500,000 for a One Piece trading card. Not Jordy though. Uh, where's this tortuga? The FedEx heist is bigger than we think. Just one card in the truck is valued at 500,000. You can see it here. Let me know, Jordy, how much would you pay for this card? I just added it to the timeline. This is from 1999. It's a Zorro first stage. I want the fair market value from, uh, not PSA, but J L H. What you got? How much are you paying for this?

• 4:16Jordi Hays?

  Like, where do you even start?

• 4:18John Coogan?

  You start with a number. A dollar sign and then a number.

• 4:22Jordi Hays?

  I would rather have $1 than this trading card.

• 4:25John Coogan?

  Okay, so 99 cents and you're buyer?

• 4:27Jordi Hays?

  I don't even care that I could go and sell it for 500. I'd, I'd lean on the dollar.

• 4:32John Coogan?

  You're, you're out of it? Okay. You have respect for the dollar. Anyway.

• 4:37Jordi Hays?

  No, I just think I, I, I'm so fascinated, so fascinated by the hobby.

• 4:42John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:43Jordi Hays?

  I do not understand it. If these cards are so valuable.

• 4:47John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:48Jordi Hays?

  Why aren't you using Brink's?

• 4:50John Coogan?

  Oh yeah, that's a good point.

• 4:51Jordi Hays?

  You're gonna trust FedEx?

• 4:52John Coogan?

  They should be using Brink's. That's actually a good take. In other interesting news, former Nikola CEO Trevor Milton is starting a private jet company. He was pardoned by Donald Trump last year after being convicted of fraud. Uh, Preston Hall, the private jet guy, has a take here. He says, "Tonight's Cyberjet will unveil their new light jet model, the SJ36, supposed to do New York to Los Angeles, non-stop in a light jet faster than any competitor." The CEO is Trevor Milton, formerly of Nikola, the electric truck startup. I'll be there tonight and he will make sure to get picks. Now, I was very confused about this because I was like.

• 5:31Jordi Hays?

  As you should be.

• 5:32John Coogan?

  I was like, okay, he was pardoned a year ago. Even if he wasn't, even if the fraud allegations and conviction and, uh, and, uh, over, or pardon didn't happen.

• 5:42Jordi Hays?

  He's got a clean record.

• 5:43John Coogan?

  It just takes a decade to start a plane company, often two, two decades. It takes forever to get FAA approval.

• 5:50Jordi Hays?

  Good news, John.

• 5:50John Coogan?

  Yes.

• 5:51Jordi Hays?

  Cause Cyberjet, I believe, has been FAA certified for quite a long time.

• 5:57John Coogan?

  Yes. The, uh, the, the history is fascinating. So, um, he basically bought the remains of a private jet program that had already consumed more than $700 million in development spending and that company had achieved FAA certification. So, uh, Ed Swearingen, Swearingen, invents the airplane, this particular airplane, the Cyberjet, uh, between 1986 and 1991. He was an experienced aviation engineer behind the Merlin and Metro turboprops. And he, his, his thesis was the same thesis that Trevor Milton is pitching today. An extremely fast private jet, small, initially called the SA30 with Gulfstream providing early backing.

• 6:40John Coogan?

  Uh, engineers stretch the fuselage, redesign components and spend years trying to certify the aircraft.

• 6:44Jordi Hays?

  Look at the lasers, John.

• 6:46John Coogan?

  It's very.

• 6:47Jordi Hays?

  If you were worried about buying a plane from Trevor Milton, don't be, because the lasers are out of this world.

• 6:54John Coogan?

  This is actually a very cool design. How are they doing those lasers in front of the plane? The background looks like a LED wall of some sort, but what's going on in front? Do they have like LED wires throughout the craft?

• 7:07Jordi Hays?

  Circus mode.

• 7:08John Coogan?

  This is a circus. Yeah, this is on akin to the Tesla Roadster launch. Very, very entertaining. So by 2008, cumulative spending reportedly exceeded $700 million and the jet achieved FAA certification in October of 2005. So the first customer airplane was delivered in 2006. Dubai investors acquired a controlling interest in 2008, renaming the company Emi Vest Aerospace, but production never scaled. They only built about 10 aircraft across the program. Production ceased in, um, uh, in 2009 and Emi Vest filed for bankruptcy in 2010.

• 7:50John Coogan?

  Metalcraft had manufacturing expertise, tooling and the aircraft's type certificate, but struggled to restart production despite years of promised upgrades in 2019. An updated SJ30I test aircraft flew, but large scale commercial deliveries still didn't materialize. Then, uh, an investor group led by Milton acquired Cyberjet in 2024, which feels pre-pardon? I don't remember when the, didn't the pardon happen in 2025? So he was out there doing this deal before? That's pretty crazy. Uh, and his role as CEO became public in 2025. So he, he began promoting the company as a broader aerospace platform with the SJ34, SJ36, in-house avionics, which is sort of a wild bet.

• 8:34Jordi Hays?

  This is the crazy thing. This is the craziest thing to me.

• 8:37John Coogan?

  That he wants to do the avionics.

• 8:39Jordi Hays?

  You could just go and say like, hey, we have this, this plane that's already FAA certified and we're gonna make them and we're gonna sell them.

• 8:46John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:46Jordi Hays?

  But instead, he's going for this sort of like autonomous vision.

• 8:51John Coogan?

  Yep.

• 8:51Jordi Hays?

  He's not gonna use a Garmin cockpit or a Honeywell cockpit.

• 8:55John Coogan?

  Yep.

• 8:56Jordi Hays?

  He's like, I gotta do it myself. And I could understand this a bit more. If, if the whole angle was like, we're not here to reinvent the wheel. We just wanna make, we're just gonna make and sell a plane.

• 9:09John Coogan?

  But what's the differential? Why would anyone buy this?

• 9:12Jordi Hays?

  Well, I don't, so, so the thing is like, if you were gonna buy an aircraft.

• 9:17John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 9:17Jordi Hays?

  And you're going through that process, these are some of the most educated, discerning buyers, right? It is a massive purchase. Your life is dependent on the quality, reliability, all these things. And I would go out on a limb and say that every single person that is in the market to buy a mid-sized jet like this.

• 9:37John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 9:38Jordi Hays?

  Will do a little research on the company. They might do a little research on the CEO and realize that.

• 9:46John Coogan?

  He was pardoned, so he did nothing wrong.

• 9:48Jordi Hays?

  You probably. Yes. Uh, technically.

• 9:53John Coogan?

  Due for a major comeback.

• 9:55Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, but, but like the comeback could have been like, yeah, we're gonna use, we're gonna use the technology that every other plane relies on.

• 10:05John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 10:06Jordi Hays?

  And it, the, the specs are pretty solid, like the performance seems good.

• 10:11John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 10:12Jordi Hays?

  It doesn't seem obvious that you need to reinvent the cockpit. And while you're just trying to prove that anyone should fly in a vehicle that you create, right? You're famous for creating a vehicle that you, that you rolled downhill.

• 10:27John Coogan?

  So what would be the strategy to sell the first unit? Just go really cheap, like low margin?

• 10:32Jordi Hays?

  I don't know. I just, I just don't see, I don't see it as a selling point of like, we were reinventing the cockpit.

• 10:37John Coogan?

  Yeah. Also, I wonder like how the autonomous features can actually benchmark is the idea that uh, at 14 million, you can buy this and fly it yourself, but then use the autopilot to go take a nap in the back or something like.

• 10:52Jordi Hays?

  I don't think buyers, I don't think buyers in this category are even that worried about like, oh, I, I want to have one pilot versus two, like it's just not that material. It's not that material of a cost when you think about flying over the course of a year and doing hundreds of hours in the air.

• 11:08John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:09Jordi Hays?

  And so I just think it's like a pretty

• 11:13Jordi Hays?

  rough, I think it's a rough, rough, rough pitch. And uh, I just, again, I don't, I don't see why you would buy this product unless it was the only product in the category.

• 11:26John Coogan?

  Yeah. At the same time, I do like the idea of buying something that's already been certified, something that has a lot of.

• 11:33Jordi Hays?

  Lad makes a good point. He is post-fall.

• 11:36John Coogan?

  Sell you this plane? I think the, I think the pitch is that it's, it's already been certified. So all the safety concerns, does it have a real engine? Like it, they have a partnership with Williams, like it's a Williams engine, like it's going to be FAA certified. And so you're basically, the reason you buy right now is because it's going to be a good value because they have to get some planes.

• 11:59Jordi Hays?

  Yeah. Dan is making my point. He says the quote, cost conscious private jet flyer.

• 12:04John Coogan?

  You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised. I don't know. I saw T-Pain buying a 2004 Gulfstream and saying it's the exact same plane as the brand new one. It's 90% cheaper and the only difference is the USB ports are USB A instead of USB C. He's like, it's the same thing. A lot of people don't care because like the safety is the safety standard and that's not really where the progression happens. The progression happens on like slight comfort detail, slight like how quiet it is. Uh, maybe the wifi, like you can see what they're advertising heated and cooled seats like that, that's so minor.

• 12:43Jordi Hays?

  Look, I'll tell you the most, one of the most bearish.

• 12:47John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:48Jordi Hays?

  Parts of this is that I think if this had potential and if, and if Trevor wasn't all hat, no cattle, Andreessen would be backing up.

• 13:01Jordi Hays?

  Uh, Andreessen would be backing up the truck, right? They did Adam Newman. They did Kalanick, right? These sort of like post-fall founders that, that that were, they, they all have their flaws, but in, in many ways, like their strengths are so overpowering.

• 13:19John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:20Jordi Hays?

  And I just don't see, I just can't see Andreessen getting involved here for a bunch of reasons.

• 13:26John Coogan?

  Uh, I don't know. If you see these flying around, like total victory for him is certainly, uh, you know, people love a comeback story. I do wonder what will happen.

• 13:35Jordi Hays?

  I think the company's up a creek without a paddle.

• 13:38John Coogan?

  I think this is just a boring jet sales business. He's got to actually make them and sell them, but the plane's already approved.

• 13:46Jordi Hays?

  It's a zero.

• 13:47John Coogan?

  It's a zero. Okay. We'll see, we'll see. Uh, I, I, I think the demand is, is really high for private aviation. And I think that, uh, it's not that unreasonable to revive a, another architecture, even if it's a little outdated. Sell it at a reasonable price while there's, you know, increased demand for the other planes that are going to be trading above market. I don't know. It's for adrenaline junkies.

• 14:16Jordi Hays?

  That's the pitch. Robert has a pitch.

• 14:18John Coogan?

  Okay. I like it.

• 14:19Jordi Hays?

  Private aviation for adrenaline junkies.

• 14:21John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:22Jordi Hays?

  The thrill of not having decades of operational excellence.

• 14:28John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:29Jordi Hays?

  And reliability.

• 14:30John Coogan?

  Very rough. Well.

• 14:31Jordi Hays?

  In the skies.

• 14:32John Coogan?

  Andy Kessler went off in the Wall Street Journal opinion pages over commercial air travel. We'll see what you agree or disagree with. Says, have some manners, people. We're too deep in the era of me, me, me to care about common decency and courtesy. Is politeness dead? Before takeoff on a recent flight, the woman next to me spoke with gusto on several phone calls. Annoying, though common, but in, then in the air for the next two hours, she loudly dictated text messages into her phone, including can we split it into four lots? Question mark. And don't forget to buy organic blueberries exclamation point.

• 15:15John Coogan?

  I put on noise cancelling earbuds, didn't help, then music. Still hurt her. My normally potent stink eye glares failed. Then I cranked Metallica's The Unforgiven to 11. I could still hear her. Argh. I often encounter the expression polite society. I'm still searching. Yes, I should have said something. But I was seething so much, it would have included many of George Carlin's seven words you can't say on television. And why should it be on me? I was taught to be polite, worry about others, hold doors, give up subway seats. I can't remember the last time someone held a door for me. Plane etiquette is long gone, but dictating out loud when she could hear, uh, when she could type is an irritating loophole.

• 16:00John Coogan?

  Dictating is on par with eating a smelly enchilada with a stint, with a stench that lingers until somewhere over Nebraska. Sadly, airplanes are the new Greyhound buses. With apologies to Greyhound. People are often underdressed, unbathed and over served. And anyone who gave permission to go barefoot once the plane takes off? And who gave anyone permission to go barefoot? Once the plane takes off? With Starlink wifi and artificial intelligence needing instructions? Is the end game talking versus non-talking sections on planes like quiet cars on trains? How about common decency instead? What do you think? You want a quiet section on the plane? Like a train?

• 16:42Jordi Hays?

  Uh, one of my recent public flights, a guy was

• 16:48Jordi Hays?

  a guy was just, a guy was just watching like scrolling reels.

• 16:52John Coogan?

  That was me. I was next to you. I was watching nitro circus reels.

• 16:55Jordi Hays?

  Uh, you were, you were over here.

• 16:57John Coogan?

  Okay.

• 16:58Jordi Hays?

  But this other guy was to my left and he was just scrolling reels like full, full volume.

• 17:02John Coogan?

  If it's a good feed.

• 17:03Jordi Hays?

  I wasn't paying that much attention.

• 17:04John Coogan?

  I like, I like a little spy scroll. I like a little secondhand scroll. Take a, take a trip down someone else's, someone else's algorithm.

• 17:12Jordi Hays?

  The experience, like part of this is like the experience of, of being jammed with, with hundreds of people you don't know.

• 17:18John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:18Jordi Hays?

  In a little tube.

• 17:19John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:20Jordi Hays?

  And then spending hours. Exactly. And then spending, it's already so bad.

• 17:25John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:26Jordi Hays?

  That when these other little things happen, it's like, you know, how much worse could it be?

• 17:31John Coogan?

  Well, absolutely going off.

• 17:32Jordi Hays?

  Good news, John.

• 17:33John Coogan?

  I love it.

• 17:34Jordi Hays?

  A lot of these people that he's referencing that have no manners.

• 17:37John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:38Jordi Hays?

  They love reading the Wall Street Journal opinion section.

• 17:41John Coogan?

  For sure.

• 17:42Jordi Hays?

  They'll be reading this article and they'll be reflecting.

• 17:45John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:45Jordi Hays?

  They'll be making changes in their lives. Like MB, that, that it's very possible that the next flight that woman's on where she's dictating into her phone and taking calls. In between dictation.

• 17:55John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:56Jordi Hays?

  She flips open, she reads this article and, and she never does it again.

• 17:59John Coogan?

  Yeah. I think we should make a physical button of the beep button like this.

• 18:06John Coogan?

  It's just the beep. Someone says something you don't like, you can beep it out. I think that's the way.

• 18:11Jordi Hays?

  That's the way.

• 18:12John Coogan?

  Well, staying in the world of aviation, United CEO says it should cost more not to sit in the middle seat. Scott Kirby of United Airlines said it's, it's expensive to fly airplanes and that airfares may have to rise further. So you get a discount.

• 18:28Jordi Hays?

  So this guy.

• 18:29John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:29Jordi Hays?

  Waits for Delta to get an insane wifi crisis and just immediately is like, yep, we're raising prices.

• 18:35John Coogan?

  Prices. Yeah. For a long time, I said our goal is to be the best airline in the history of aviation. I think we've become the best, not at everything, but in totality, I think we're the best. He took over United during the COVID-19 pandemic, the worst crisis the airline had faced since nine 11. Things have largely turned around for the industry since then, and United's stock has risen more than 300% during Kirby's tenure. Pretty good. While things may be looking up for United, for many travelers, flying is miserable. Delays, lost luggage, chaotic boarding processes and cramped seats. And people talking dictating next to you as we heard from Andy Kessler. Uh, it's United's job and his to take the stress away, Mr. Kirby said.

• 19:18John Coogan?

  As a father of seven children, whoa, gong worthy moment. Uh, Mr. Kirby often looks at air travel through a parent's eyes, investing in better wifi, having more movies and TV shows available and developing a user-friendly app, he said, all help to reduce the stress of traveling, especially with children. Tyler, give me your airline movie tier list. You said that you have strong opinions about what movies are available on different airlines. Is that correct?

• 19:46Speaker 02

  Well, so I mean, a lot of them don't have screens at all.

• 19:48John Coogan?

  Okay.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  So I think honestly, like I prefer the screen on the seat.

• 19:52John Coogan?

  You do?

• 19:53Speaker 02

  It's a better experience.

• 19:54John Coogan?

  Okay.

• 19:54Speaker 02

  It's more like plain like, it just feels like you're, otherwise I'm just like watching movie on my phone.

• 19:59John Coogan?

  Okay. You like the screen in the back.

• 20:01Speaker 02

  Already puts a lot of them kind of at the bottom. I think Southwest rarely has screens.

• 20:07John Coogan?

  I feel like JetBlue was early to the TV and the headrest.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  Sure. Yeah.

• 20:11Jordi Hays?

  How? Yeah. I completely forgot that we, we used to live in a world where there would just be the TV like for a section.

• 20:18John Coogan?

  Oh, at the high. Yeah. And everyone watches the same thing.

• 20:20Jordi Hays?

  Yeah.

• 20:21John Coogan?

  Yeah. Real sense of community. We don't know how to do that anymore. That was great.

• 20:24Jordi Hays?

  Yeah. And you'd look over again, this was the era where, you know, people had manners too. And you'd look over to the stranger to the left and the right.

• 20:32John Coogan?

  That's crazy movie, right? Oh yeah. We're watching The Fugitive or something.

• 20:36Speaker 02

  I never experienced that. There was, there was one screen for the entire.

• 20:38John Coogan?

  How?

• 20:39Jordi Hays?

  No, there would be, there were like in the, in the, in the back of the plane. Where, uh, where I always was, uh, was, uh, there might've been like four screens. So you could think of like.

• 20:51John Coogan?

  So they'd be mounted into the ceiling.

• 20:53Jordi Hays?

  Yeah.

• 20:53John Coogan?

  You ever fly on a plane like this?

• 20:55Jordi Hays?

  There'd be, you probably did.

• 20:56John Coogan?

  Never? Wow.

• 20:57Jordi Hays?

  I don't remember. Silver spoon.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  Okay, but so for movies.

• 21:01John Coogan?

  Really quickly, consolation prize, where they have the little grabber that holds your phone? How, how much of a consolation prize is that for you? You know what I'm talking about, right?

• 21:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:12John Coogan?

  Where there's no screen, but there's a hook that you can mount your phone into.

• 21:17Speaker 03

  I mean, yeah, obviously it's better than nothing, but it's still, I, I think I, I like the screen.

• 21:21John Coogan?

  Okay.

• 21:21Speaker 03

  Although the screen sometimes bad because hard to connect your, your headphones, but okay. So for, for actual movie selection, I think Delta is clearly S tier.

• 21:29John Coogan?

  Okay.

• 21:30Speaker 03

  They're far and away the best. They have a bunch of like kind of art house, Criterion movies on there. They have a, they have a good selection.

• 21:37Jordi Hays?

  Name one art house movie.

• 21:39Speaker 03

  Let's see, they, they have a lot of like old, they, they have some Ingmar Bergman movies on there.

• 21:43Jordi Hays?

  But name one movie.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  Seven Seal. I believe that was on a.

• 21:47Jordi Hays?

  That was good. That was good. Good test, good test. Many people would have.

• 21:50Speaker 03

  And then I would go, I think United.

• 21:53John Coogan?

  Okay.

• 21:54Speaker 03

  Is behind, yeah, probably B tier.

• 21:56John Coogan?

  But they got Starling now, so you can watch anything.

• 21:58Speaker 03

  That's true. Um, and then after that, it's kind of just toss up. I don't know.

• 22:02John Coogan?

  Do you think Delta flight attendants should be able to order passengers to close window shades on daytime flights? It's too bright in here for everyone. Even though you paid for the window seat, you probably paid extra.

• 22:15Jordi Hays?

  Absolutely not.

• 22:16John Coogan?

  So if you sit in the window seat, you're the master.

• 22:19Jordi Hays?

  That's like the final freedom that you have on a plane, right? All your freedoms are taken away, but if you have the window to seat, you've got a little bit of power left.

• 22:27John Coogan?

  But what if the person next to you is trying to.

• 22:28Jordi Hays?

  And you should be just, right? You shouldn't, you should be, I, I think you should have manners.

• 22:32John Coogan?

  Oh, so you're saying it's a responsibility. So you need to, you need to communicate with the person next to you.

• 22:35Jordi Hays?

  I think, I think it's more like if you're, you, you should plan your, like, you're, you, you should be planning how much light you're letting in based on like time zones.

• 22:46John Coogan?

  How much, how much, uh, how much research should you do on your, on your seatmate before you sit down? Like, because you could sit down and have a whole conversation about, you know, what's your level of sleepiness? What's your level of interest in my personal Instagram reel feed? Maybe they would delight you to watch me scroll reels. Maybe you want me to put on a movie. Cause sometimes people would put on a movie and it's too salacious next to you. And even though they're on their phone or they're on their screen, I'm like, nah, I don't want that there. I don't like that. But sometimes people pick a really good movie, not just a good movie that I want to watch, but a good movie that I want to glance at every once in a while, you know? Like if somebody's putting on The Dark Knight, I'm like, oh, I'm definitely gonna, you know, glance over there.

• 23:24Jordi Hays?

  It's like an extended trailer.

• 23:26John Coogan?

  Exactly, exactly.

• 23:27Jordi Hays?

  Pull it up yourself.

• 23:28John Coogan?

  So, so I think if you're being really, really courteous, you should, you should have a whole discussion with your seatmate and say, hey, look, I got the window seat.

• 23:37Jordi Hays?

  Yeah.

• 23:37John Coogan?

  But we need to have a negotiation here. We need to have a discussion about what are you trying to accomplish on this flight? Are you trying to sit? Are you trying to just enjoy the light? Maybe you low on vitamin D? Maybe you're trying to sleep. Let's have a discussion. Let's see what's, what, what makes sense for everyone here.

• 23:51Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, yeah, I would, I would almost certainly take it a step farther.

• 23:54John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 23:54Jordi Hays?

  And maybe pick out whatever your section is, maybe there's 10 or so people in your vicinity. Go actually be at, once everybody's boarded.

• 24:03John Coogan?

  Convene a little conference.

• 24:04Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, but actually just go take notes on everyone's individual preferences when they're planning on napping.

• 24:10John Coogan?

  Okay.

• 24:11Jordi Hays?

  Things like that.

• 24:11John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 24:12Jordi Hays?

  And then figure out the right schedule and then actually take it upon yourself to just say, I will be the window operator.

• 24:18John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 24:20Jordi Hays?

  For this flight. And maybe you could get one of like some, some kind of like, like, um, you know, those like marshmallow roaster?

• 24:27John Coogan?

  Hmm.

• 24:27Jordi Hays?

  Sticks. If you could have something like that and you could go and, you know, use it to, to open and close the windows on the schedule that is sort of predetermined.

• 24:35John Coogan?

  You're saying that like commercial aviation has basically become Lord of the Fly, so you need to like embrace that.

• 24:39Jordi Hays?

  You need to become a leader.

• 24:41John Coogan?

  You need to become a leader. What are you saying?

• 24:42Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, uh, the window should always be open. And I, if you want to sleep.

• 24:46John Coogan?

  Whoa.

• 24:47Speaker 03

  If you want to sleep, it's on you to bring an eye mask to like.

• 24:49John Coogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 24:50Speaker 03

  I think it should basically.

• 24:51John Coogan?

  A little rugged individual.

• 24:52Speaker 03

  Maybe not at night or it doesn't matter.

• 24:54John Coogan?

  Sovereign individual.

• 24:57John Coogan?

  You gotta bring your own eye mask. Should the plane deliver free eye masks? I feel like they give headphones out.

• 25:03Speaker 03

  You can bring your own eye mask.

• 25:04John Coogan?

  They have eye masks in first class, but if you're in coach, they don't, they, they don't have any options, right?

• 25:09Jordi Hays?

  We've gone down this path a little bit where we get seated separately.

• 25:13John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:13Jordi Hays?

  On a flight and then we start a negotiation to try to, to try to do some trades.

• 25:18John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:18Jordi Hays?

  Um, and we've, we've initiated some pretty complex trades. It doesn't always work out, right?

• 25:22John Coogan?

  What was the most complex trade we, we initiated?

• 25:24Jordi Hays?

  Sometimes you're like, you're gonna move here because you're, you want to be, you don't want to be in a middle seat.

• 25:30John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:30Jordi Hays?

  But we have a middle seat, but we have this other person who's willing to take a middle seat.

• 25:37John Coogan?

  Yeah. Yeah. It should all be just open auction. There should be a, uh, everyone should board the plane and one at a time, all the seats get auctioned off live. With a, with an auctioneer going, do I, do I have $20 for a long, for a long leg room? $20, $20 for a long leg room? $21 for, for Xero, Xero, $21, $22, Xero. The auctioneer. That would really, that would really up that level of energy on a, on a commercial flight, I think. I got peanuts.

• 26:05Jordi Hays?

  It makes so much more sense.

• 26:06John Coogan?

  You need peanuts, $5 for peanuts, peanuts, $5. Eye mask, $6, $6 eye mask.

• 26:10Jordi Hays?

  The stakes on JetBlue. You're definitely real sell those.

• 26:13John Coogan?

  Mercedes has announced the 2028 AMG GT63 SUV. It's a, it's, it's an 1153 horsepower electric powerhouse. And we're getting a review from Jordy. What are you thinking?

• 26:33Jordi Hays?

  That's my review.

• 26:36Jordi Hays?

  That's all I got.

• 26:37John Coogan?

  You like a, you like a Mercedes SUV. You like a G-Wagon.

• 26:41Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, I do. I actually think it looks fine.

• 26:43John Coogan?

  From the same company.

• 26:44Jordi Hays?

  I think it looks fine. Would I buy it? No.

• 26:47John Coogan?

  Why not?

• 26:48Jordi Hays?

  Would I recommend a friend or family member buy it? No.

• 26:52John Coogan?

  Zero 60 in, in 2.4 seconds.

• 26:56Jordi Hays?

  No, the rear end actually looks pretty okay.

• 27:00John Coogan?

  The rear end, it, it reminds me of the Ferrari Luce. Those circular, multiple circular taillights like that? Uh, with that rim there? Something about that looks, uh, looks Luce to me. But I don't know, these, these super SUVs, especially in the electric configuration are just odd to me. I think it's going to be a tough, tough market with the depreciation and all this stuff.

• 27:25Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, this is gonna absolutely bomb.

• 27:29John Coogan?

  You think so?

• 27:30Jordi Hays?

  Yeah.

• 27:31John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:31Jordi Hays?

  Yeah.

• 27:32John Coogan?

  You think this is something that they started working on like five years ago?

• 27:36Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, almost certainly.

• 27:37John Coogan?

  Yeah. Well.

• 27:39Jordi Hays?

  No, it's gonna be, it's gonna be rough out there.

• 27:41John Coogan?

  It's gonna be rough out there.

• 27:42Jordi Hays?

  It's, it's one of those things where it's like an impressive piece of technology.

• 27:46John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:46Jordi Hays?

  But this buyer is buying this kind of car as a daily.

• 27:51John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:51Jordi Hays?

  And I just don't think it can stand up against other products in the class.

• 27:57John Coogan?

  You know, I would, I would think that, uh, electric would do better in an SUV package like this than in a sports car. Like, uh, the, the Porsche CEO was discussing the, taking the Cayman platform entirely electric. And are you more optimistic about this or the electric Cayman?

• 28:20Jordi Hays?

  I thought they canceled the Cayman.

• 28:21John Coogan?

  He was talking about it. He was talking about electric sports car, like two seater, small electric sports car? Or five seater, big electric SUV? Which one of those are you taking?

• 28:35Jordi Hays?

  Electric SUVs make sense, but this car cannot drive itself.

• 28:39John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:39Jordi Hays?

  And it's just gonna get destroyed.

• 28:40John Coogan?

  But assume neither of them can drive themselves. Which one?

• 28:43Jordi Hays?

  Yeah. So obviously the Cayman, it just becomes like a street legal go-kart.

• 28:47John Coogan?

  Oh, you think Cayman will sell better than electric SUV?

• 28:50Jordi Hays?

  There's gonna be some, there's gonna be some buyer there.

• 28:51John Coogan?

  Hmm.

• 28:52Jordi Hays?

  Um.

• 28:53John Coogan?

  Yeah. I wonder, I wonder with the SUV, a lot of people still think, yes, it has 400 miles of range, but maybe I want to take it to the snow. Maybe I want to take it to somewhere where it's cold and the battery won't warm up. Or there won't be a great, uh, there, there won't be a, a great electric charging network. Not that this is an off-road SUV, but I think the SUV buyer, they still have in the back of their mind like, yeah, maybe I will take this to Joshua Tree and be, you know, off the grid for a day and I want that flexibility. Um, even this, even if this is just a, an everyday suburban get-around daily driver comfy car. Um, and it feels like electric might be harder in the SUV segment. At the same time, someone who's buying like a small sports car, they seem so much more inclined to want to hear the, the sound of an, of an engine.

• 29:38John Coogan?

  But I don't know. We'll see. We'll have to see if we see these on the road. Do you think you'll see more of these on the road or the BMW XM?

• 29:45Jordi Hays?

  Probably more of these, but the XM has been a massive flop.

• 29:47John Coogan?

  Yeah, but you said this might be a massive flop, so.

• 29:50Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, but this isn't, this is gonna be, I think, quite a bit less expensive.

• 29:54John Coogan?

  Oh, really?

• 29:54Jordi Hays?

  The XM.

• 29:55John Coogan?

  Okay. Yeah. If it comes in at 130, that's more, that's more doable. But if it's up at like 220 and it's going up against Urus and the new McLaren, uh, SUV, uh, could have a hard time. But you don't know. You don't know. Uh, we'll see. We'll see. Yeah.

• 30:10Jordi Hays?

  We have to watch a, the best interview in pro sports right now.

• 30:15Speaker 04

  I wonder about 34 saves in your night, just how you felt and what you saw as you looked out from your crease.

• 30:20Speaker 03

  Yes, uh, I felt nothing. The, the problem with me is that I have a lot of fun playing. But when I start having too much fun, it makes me into, from an unconscious goalie to a conscious goalie. And my conscious brain is really bad at playing goalie. So I have to like let my unconscious brain do the work because it reacts a lot quicker. When I'm having too much fun and I'm smiling and I'm talking to everybody and I'm hanging out, what happens is that shifts me into more conscious brain goalie. And then I can't react in time and then I'm slow, I'm behind the play and then I give up seven goals, you know? But today it was just unconscious. Like, don't think about anything, you know, if you ask me how I made a save, I'd be like, I have no idea. Just my unconscious brain does it. And, uh, that's what you work and practice for, you know?

• 31:05Speaker 04

  Well, you felt nothing during the game, but I wonder what you felt like after, when you're doing the three stars and you hear the crowd and, uh.

• 31:10Speaker 03

  When the buzzer went, that's when I was like, okay, now you can let it all go. So you get a huge rush of like dopamine and serotonin and adrenaline and just like goosebumps. It's the best feeling in the world. It's like the biggest reason why I love to play. And, uh, yeah, then you can just let it all out. Now I can smile and enjoy myself. But yeah, like TV timeouts in between periods, I'm like, don't smile, don't talk to anyone, just focus on your game, let your unconscious brain do it. And, uh, it was great. It worked.

• 31:35Speaker 04

  It worked. Congrats on everything and feel all of it.

• 31:38Speaker 03

  I also got pretty lucky too, like three posts, you know, no goals off my own team. So that's, you know, hopefully that luck continues and I can continue to make saves. Keep it rolling.

• 31:46Jordi Hays?

  I love this guy.

• 31:49John Coogan?

  Why?

• 31:50Jordi Hays?

  No, he's just like, this is incredibly fun to listen to. I realize I've gone through that, that, that same experience. Not always, but sometimes I'll surf a wave and I get to the end and I have, no, I, I can't remember anything that happened.

• 32:02John Coogan?

  Yeah, he's kind of describing a slow state.

• 32:04Jordi Hays?

  Incredibly, like I was incredibly present.

• 32:06John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:07Jordi Hays?

  But I had no, I'll have no memory of like what I actually did. And I have to like think like actually really hard.

• 32:12John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:13Jordi Hays?

  What actually happened there?

• 32:14John Coogan?

  I think it's a better, yeah. It's a good sports, like post-game interview because it's not just like, oh, like thanks to the team, we all did everything we could. We worked hard and it paid off. Like it's.

• 32:26Jordi Hays?

  Yeah.

• 32:26John Coogan?

  It's more real.

• 32:27Jordi Hays?

  It was like a very real, very unique.

• 32:29John Coogan?

  It cuts through the noise.

• 32:30Jordi Hays?

  Perspective.

• 32:30John Coogan?

  Normal interview. So I, yeah, I, I understand it now. I saw that on the timeline, but I didn't actually watch it. So I, I get it now.

• 32:37Speaker 05

  Write joke, tell joke, get checked. Very simple process.

• 32:43John Coogan?

  I love it. That's a great philosophy. Well, that's a fantastic place to end it. Thank you so much.

• 32:46Speaker 05

  Well, thank you, gentlemen. I appreciate it. Thanks, you guys.

• 32:48John Coogan?

  Thank you. We'll close out the show with you. You can just hang out.

• 32:51Speaker 05

  Thank you very much.

• 32:52John Coogan?

  Leave us five stars on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. We'll see you tomorrow at 11 AM Pacific. It makes all the lights in the studio go very bright.