The legacy and future of CES, Dwarkesh’s “Capital in the 22nd Century,” Ben Thompson’s “AI and the Human Condition” | Diet TBPN

Diet TBPN delivers the best of today’s TBPN episode in under 30 minutes. TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with each episode posted to podcast platforms right after. Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” the show has recently featured Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. TBPN.com is made possible by: Ramp - https://Ramp.com AppLovin -https://axon.ai Cognition - https://cognition.ai Console - https://console.com CrowdStrike - https://crowdstrike.com ElevenLabs - https://elevenlabs.io Figma - https://figma.com Fin - https://fin.ai Gemini - https://gemini.google.com Graphite - https://graphite.com Gusto -https://gusto.com/tbpn Labelbox - https://labelbox.com Lambda -https://lambda.ai Linear - https://linear.app MongoDB - https://mongodb.com NYSE - https://nyse.com Phantom - https://phantom.com/cash Plaid - https://plaid.com Public - https://public.com Railway - https://railway.com Ramp - https://ramp.com Restream - https://restream.io Shopify - https://shopify.com Turbopuffer - https://turbopuffer.com Vanta - https://vanta.com Vibe -https://vibe.co Follow TBPN: https://TBPN.com https://x.com/tbpn https://open.spotify.com/show/2L6WMqY3GUPCGBD0dX6p00?si=674252d53acf4231 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/technology-brothers/id1772360235 https://www.youtube.com/@TBPNLive

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:01John Coogan?

  CES refers to itself as the most powerful tech event in the world. Really bringing the superlatives.

• 0:08Jordi Hays?

  It might be, it might be.

• 0:10John Coogan?

  Yeah, I think it still is.

• 0:11Jordi Hays?

  It probably still is. Why don't we go into your, to your op-ed?

• 0:14John Coogan?

  Yeah, so I call it the death of the tech conference because I noticed something which we'll get into. But what's interesting is like CES launched so long ago, 1967.

• 0:25Jordi Hays?

  What were the consumer electronics at the first event?

• 0:27John Coogan?

  The number of things that launched at CES is actually crazy. So the VCR launched at CES, like the thing that you put the tape into. I know you don't watch movies and you never had a VCR. I had a VCR.

• 0:40Jordi Hays?

  I actually did.

• 0:41John Coogan?

  You had a VCR?

• 0:42Jordi Hays?

  Like a personal little?

• 0:44John Coogan?

  Yeah, you put the tape in, you have to rewind it when you're done watching the movie. That launched at CES. CES started in 1967. It was a sleepy affair until 1970 when Philips unveiled its N1500 video cassette recorder. Until that point, VCRs cost upwards of $50,000. Imagine dropping 50 Gs.

• 1:04Jordi Hays?

  Okay, at the first one in 1967, they had transistor radios, early colored televisions, phonographs and tape recorders.

• 1:12John Coogan?

  The lineup of stuff that launched at CES. The Atari Pong console, 1975. The CD player launched in 1981 at CES. The Commodore 64, 1982. The DVD at 1996. The Xbox in 2001. And we really got to play this video of how the Xbox launched. 2001, Bill Gates gets on stage at CES. You know, today we think we're so cool. Oh, tech companies, they have vibreals and they have cinematic videos and they go on podcasts and they do podcast circuits when they launch things. Get on stage with Dwayne The Rock Johnson. That's the bar because that's exactly what Bill Gates did in 2001 when he launched the Xbox. We got to play this video.

• 1:51Speaker 02

  We're unveiling the Xbox.

• 1:53John Coogan?

  Look at this.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  This is the product that will be out later this year. And there's an amazing amount going on. Working with partners who helped build the hardware, working with the software developers, working with the retailers. The program around this thing is really quite phenomenal. But the box itself is another thing that we've put a lot of energy into.

• 2:16John Coogan?

  It's a box.

• 2:17Speaker 02

  You may have been wondering what this great device was here.

• 2:19John Coogan?

  Look at this. This is showmanship.

• 2:20Speaker 02

  This is the Xbox.

• 2:22John Coogan?

  This is the Xbox.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  And so, for the first time, let me now unveil Xbox.

• 2:26John Coogan?

  Whoa. Do you ever have one of these?

• 2:30Jordi Hays?

  With the controller in the plexiglass, very cool.

• 2:35John Coogan?

  Yeah, dangling down there. This was iconic. Play Call of Duty, the original Modern Warfare was on there.

• 2:40Speaker 02

  The design here was driven by spending time with gamers and actually putting the controller in their hands.

• 2:47John Coogan?

  Yeah, the controller was huge. The first controller was so big, they had to make a smaller one. They just went like way too big for some reason. I guess they were testing on the wrong type of people or something.

• 2:57Jordi Hays?

  Were they testing on you?

• 2:58John Coogan?

  No, there's this whole meme that it was like really good for Shaq, but that was it. And Shaq loved it or something like that. I seem to remember this. I don't know.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  Loaded as you move from level to level. Now, what you're seeing on the front, the eject, the on-off button, and four game ports. That was one of the big pieces of feedback was people didn't want to be limited to two.

• 3:18John Coogan?

  Yeah, the PlayStation, I think, just had two at the time, and maybe the N64 had four. Here we go. Look at this. Getting a celebrity like that. Like, OpenAI had so many announcements this year.

• 3:30Jordi Hays?

  Look at the fit, dude. The glasses.

• 3:32John Coogan?

  There was the whole Scarlett Johansson thing. They didn't bring out The Rock.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I might want to use that sometime, Bill.

• 3:38Speaker 02

  Well, thanks, Rock, and it really is an honor to have you here.

• 3:41John Coogan?

  The celebrity cameo attack launch is completely forgotten art. We don't know how to do this anymore.

• 3:49Jordi Hays?

  I think people would be shocked at how inexpensive it could be to work with a effect. I don't know about A-list, but maybe like an aging out, like somebody that was iconic.

• 4:01John Coogan?

  Yes, yes.

• 4:02Jordi Hays?

  An actor, an athlete, etc. And just instead of spending $30,000 on some insane launch video, just get a camera and hire some celebrity and have them explain your product. There was that drink company that did this. Do you remember? They had some celebrity like... Read every sign.

• 4:22John Coogan?

  I do remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 4:23Jordi Hays?

  Orca, orca.

• 4:24John Coogan?

  Yeah, Orca. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We remember it today. A lot of founders have figured out how to marshal the right resources for really cinematic footage, good editing, a bunch of things to introduce their product. But some of them just aren't charismatic on camera, unfortunately, and they just don't have the reps. So if you bring in a celebrity, it can just, also it just weighs way more thumb stopping. Like you're just gonna be scrolling and be like, oh, what is The Rock doing there promoting your product? Anyway, CES, when it launched, I thought this was impressive. 1967, no, like, no precedent. There's not really a tech community. It's sort of new. Seventeen thousand people show up, 200 companies put on exhibitions. That seems like a lot. It's grown not even 10x. I mean, this was, this year or in 2024, they had 130,000 attendees.

• 5:09John Coogan?

  Like, it's grown a lot, but it's not, you know, it started out pretty big. I think this year should be more interesting because the Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, IoT, all that stuff was like sort of annoying. Maybe the AI stuff gets annoying, but I still feel like there's more opportunity for actually cool integrations with AI in, in all sorts of different hardware things. At the same time, I was at Best Buy over the break and I saw a TV that said it was powered by AI. And I was just shuddering, thinking about how bad of an experience that probably was because like, what is it going to be trying to do? It's probably not integrating like a frontier model. It's probably some really, really sloppy thing.

• 5:42Jordi Hays?

  Samsung had had a big announcement last year.

• 5:45John Coogan?

  Perplexity integration. I don't know if that makes any sense.

• 5:47Jordi Hays?

  And again, I just think anytime you're in a situation where you could ask your TV

• 5:52John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:53Jordi Hays?

  for information, probably easier to ask your phone.

• 5:56John Coogan?

  Yeah, usually. I think you need to be a little bit more first principles when you think about these integrations thing. We'll get into some of the stuff that actually launched that sounded interesting. I wanted to go into the history of like how the tech conference, like the, the tech conference that's not linked to a single company sort of died and a lot of it goes back to the iPhone, actually. The iPhone, probably the biggest consumer electronics product in history. It should have been launched at the Consumer Electronics Show. Like, it is the consumer electronics juggernaut. It should have been launched there.

• 6:24Jordi Hays?

  Most important consumer product of the 21st century.

• 6:28John Coogan?

  Totally. And they got scooped by Macworld because Jobs wanted more control over how the presentation would go. So he chose to debut the iPhone at Macworld in San Francisco on January 9th, 2007. Macworld was technically independent from Apple. So the conference was created by IDG, this international data group. Eventually, Macworld was Technically independent from Apple, but Apple was like, obviously the cornerstone draw to the event. So they give them the keynote, great floor space, and then all the other independent third-party Mac developers. So if you were developing a piece of software, or even just like, you know, a phone case, it didn't make sense at that time. But like, you could imagine all sorts of different peripherals, a printer, you'd go there and figure out partnerships and do deals. Launching the iPhone at Macworld, which happened at the exact same time as CES,

• 7:12John Coogan?

  it allowed Jobs to control everything about the big reveal, the lighting, the pacing. He was famously like fanatical about this. He rehearsed for weeks and weeks and weeks. He wanted things exactly, he wanted certain demos to happen after, and he just got way more control at Macworld than he would have gotten at CES. And the big thing is that at CES journalists go around from booth to booth and they compare spec sheets. So they create these like charts and they keep everything in a category. And he wanted to be category defining and he wanted to break the category. And he also did not want to be compared to the Nokia N95. No, the Nokia N95 was actually the best, weird name.

• 7:48Jordi Hays?

  It was more, more performant. He didn't want to go spec to spec.

• 7:50John Coogan?

  He didn't. So the Nokia had 3G already, it had GPS, it allowed for copy pasting of text, it had a front-facing camera, it had a 5-megapixel rear.

• 7:59Jordi Hays?

  He's like, until we can copy and paste, we don't have that power yet.

• 8:03John Coogan?

  No, no, the number of features that the Nokia N95 was crazy. It could record videos, the iPhone couldn't record videos. It had a 5-megapixel camera instead of a 2-megapixel camera. It even had an FM radio. The Nokia beat it on like, you know, 10 different specs. The only thing that the iPhone really had going for it was that it had a touchscreen, but people didn't think they wanted a touchscreen at that point because most touchscreens were terrible. And then also it had some other unique Apple innovations, like a full-featured Safari web browser. But it didn't even have third-party apps. The Nokia did. Steve Jobs was able to sort of reframe the whole iPhone discussion as like, it's just this own thing, don't comp us to Nokia. Why are we talking about Nokia? We're not going to talk about Nokia. They're not at Macworld. They're not allowed to be here.

• 8:41Jordi Hays?

  Best marketer of all time.

• 8:42John Coogan?

  Clearly. And everyone copied him. Apple actually pulled out of Macworld two years later, started doing WWDC and their own, their own self-hosted events, self-distributed events. Obviously, technology itself makes a lot of that easier. Cameras are cheaper, you can live stream. So you have Google I/O, Microsoft Build, Meta Connect, Samsung Unpack. When Zuck introduced the latest Meta Ray-Ban displays, he didn't do it at CES, he didn't wait for CES. He was just like, I'm gonna have my own event. Everyone's followed Jobs' playbook. The older trade show format still works for lots of companies, and big tech companies do still have presences. So just today at CES, or yesterday, Jensen was there, and Nvidia unveiled Vera Rubin.

• 9:20Jordi Hays?

  Which looks incredible.

• 9:22John Coogan?

  Yeah, but also, it's not a consumer electronics product. It's kind of an odd place to do it, but it's like a fun event. But even Nvidia has their own conferences now. So my main takeaway is like, just like in terms of key moments in tech history, I don't expect them to happen at independent trade shows anymore. Although The Rock alongside Bill Gates is an iconic moment. The first thing that I wanted to go through was the Wall Street Journal's write-up of CES coverage. It's interesting because it's almost no consumer electronics. So of course, they highlighted Nvidia, the faster artificial intelligence chips, Vera Rubin, the CPU GPU combination. Mercedes-Benz, Nvidia has a partnership to make the first autonomous car.

• 10:01Jordi Hays?

  The tire of my Mercedes-Benz exploded autonomously this morning on the way to work. The Journal says AMD also unveiled its latest AI chips, known as the Instinct, which will launch later this year. They're expected to be AMD's strongest competition to Nvidia yet. Shares fell more than 2%. Uber, the ride-hailing company, plus EV maker Lucid and Neuro have begun on-road testing for their planned robotaxi service. Uber expects to offer the service in San Francisco later this year. Stock jumped 5.5%.

• 10:34John Coogan?

  Lego launched a smart brick and

• 10:37Jordi Hays?

  There we go.

• 10:38John Coogan?

  high-tech Star Wars toys.

• 10:39Jordi Hays?

  This was the launch of the year contender.

• 10:42John Coogan?

  Already?

• 10:43Jordi Hays?

  It's the first week in January, so let's pull it up.

• 10:45Speaker 03

  And you'll see from the sound and the color when it detects it.

• 10:49Speaker 03

  But it's not just looking for the mini-figure. It knows who that mini-figure is, and actually, it knows where that mini-figure is. So as I move the mini-figure around, you'll see different lights and colors depending on where the mini-figure is compared to the brick.

• 11:03Jordi Hays?

  What does this allow us to do? More dopamine for children. Let's go.

• 11:09John Coogan?

  I think this is good. I remember...

• 11:11Jordi Hays?

  We turned every Lego brick into a mini iPad.

• 11:14John Coogan?

  There was some sort of Lego programmable computer, but it was much larger. It was about this big when I was a kid and...

• 11:22Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, Lego Mindstorms.

• 11:23John Coogan?

  Mindstorms. That was it. That was amazing. But yeah, so Lego's launching the most ambitious brick it's ever made. A tiny computer that fits entirely inside a classic 2x4 Lego brick. It will make entire Lego sets come to life.

• 11:36Jordi Hays?

  Love it.

• 11:37John Coogan?

  Coverage. Very cool.

• 11:38Jordi Hays?

  And of course, Boston Dynamics.

• 11:41John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:41Jordi Hays?

  Demo champions of the world. Boston Dynamics is starting the year strong. They seem to be upset that Figure is valued at roughly one Ford Motor Company. And they're not happy about it. They had a new video of various Boston Dynamics robots.

• 12:00John Coogan?

  They should be the de facto...

• 12:01Jordi Hays?

  Hyundai?

• 12:02John Coogan?

  Yeah, here. They've been doing this for so long.

• 12:06John Coogan?

  But I don't know, it looks good. How tall is it? 2.3 meters? Oh, that's how long it can reach? That's pretty big. I feel like a lot of the humanoid have been really, really small, just kind of like smaller. Is this... Is this not CGI? I can't even tell at this point.

• 12:22Jordi Hays?

  This looks like...

• 12:23John Coogan?

  Wow, oh, that was a cool move!

• 12:25Jordi Hays?

  The way that it can move is great.

• 12:26John Coogan?

  That was a cool move!

• 12:27Jordi Hays?

  The way that it stands up is wild, too. There's a video of it standing up, it looks like a spider, and then it's kind of...

• 12:33John Coogan?

  Yeah, very disconcerting.

• 12:35Jordi Hays?

  Do you think that this... Maybe their... One of their first use cases could be gloving.

• 12:40John Coogan?

  Oh yeah, that's really trendy. I haven't seen that. Gloving. I saw some video of somebody gloving on an airplane or something. You see that one? But yeah, you saw that.

• 12:50Jordi Hays?

  Tyler, you need to start gloving.

• 12:52John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:53Jordi Hays?

  When a founder... Anytime a founder raises more than $100 million, you gotta say, "Can I glove for you?"

• 12:58John Coogan?

  Can I glove for you? What is that from like EDM culture or something? I don't know. Funny.

• 13:03Jordi Hays?

  Dark. Yeah, so apparently Hyundai is preparing to deploy tens of thousands of their robots into their manufacturing facilities.

• 13:11John Coogan?

  Sixty-six pounds sustained, you know, weight capacity. Most, most people can lift more than that. Come on, we gotta get those numbers up.

• 13:20Jordi Hays?

  In the New York Times today, Jamie Dimon's 770 million haul shows how bankers are on top again. Let's give it up for the bankers.

• 13:28John Coogan?

  Is this gong worthy?

• 13:30Jordi Hays?

  This is gong worthy.

• 13:31John Coogan?

  Let's do it. First gong.

• 13:33Jordi Hays?

  The Trump admin is lifting regulations and deal making is heating up for Jamie Dimon, being JP Morgan Chase's chief executive was more lucrative in 2025 than ever. For nearly 15 years, Jamie Dimon, the bank chieftain, has carried around what might as well be a talisman when he sees regulators, elected officials and journalists. At just the right time in meetings, he breaks out a single-page printout that he calls a spaghetti chart. On it, Mr. Dimon's underlings have crammed in tiny type, a comically complicated flow chart meant to represent the various laws and regulations to which his company, JP Morgan Chase, is subject. The theatrics have finally worked. The Trump admin is not just taking apart regulations, but attacking the whole regulatory agencies that date back to the 2008, 2009 financial crisis and were meant to keep banks

• 14:18Jordi Hays?

  from giving in to their worst impulses. Regulators have also made it easier for banks to peddle in risky assets again, like cryptocurrency, and President Trump paused enforcement of foreign anti-bribery rules. Interesting. The deregulatory bonanza alone makes it the best time in a generation to be a banker, but there's more. Falling interest rates and a permissive set of antitrust overseers are helping reverse a lull in the lucrative business of arranging M and A. As the $100 billion bidding war between Netflix and Paramount for Warner Brothers, Discovery shows, once imperiled, real estate loans look steadier thanks to the rebound in, in office work. Stocks are near record levels. The bond market had its best year since 2020, and gold and silver have soared, all of which

• 15:01Jordi Hays?

  feeds the trading businesses that keep Wall Street's profit machine humming. A combination of salary bonuses, dividends, stock grants and appreciation in his allotment of the bank shares yielded roughly 770 million for Jamie Dimon. For the chief executives of Citi, whose shares rose more than 65% in 2025 after the bank slashed tens of thousands of jobs in a years-long restructuring, and Goldman Sachs shares have

• 15:27John Coogan?

  Tyler. Tyler. Slapping for a displacement.

• 15:30Jordi Hays?

  Not because of the jobs. No, because they were up 60.

• 15:34John Coogan?

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 15:35Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, because the way that you reacted there looked a little suspicious. Your soul is out of balance because you have fallen out of touch with your consumer demographic. Pay more attention to your personalized ads. Let them flow through you.

• 15:51John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:52Jordi Hays?

  Pay attention. They do really tell you something about where your energy.

• 15:56John Coogan?

  I've been getting, I mean, speaking of the CES consumer products, I've been getting personalized ads for the board, the, the, the smart game board. But we had the founder on the show and I bought one.

• 16:07Jordi Hays?

  I bought one too. Did you want to talk about capital in the 22nd century?

• 16:12John Coogan?

  Yes, let's read Philip Trammell's post. He says, "A week ago, Dorek Hesch and him, Phil, posted a fun essay using Thomas Piketty's Capital in the 21st Century as a lens through which to explore the possible impacts of AI on inequality," as the Financial Times kindly put it. That was all it was meant to be. The discussion has definitely become more intense than I'd expected. This is my first time on X in any serious way. Welcome to the arena, brother. Get in. Buckle up. I don't think they wrote it knowing that there was going to be this whole, like Ro Khanna, Peter Thiel, Teddy Schleffer, like the whole, like, wealth tax thing that was going on in California. And they just happened to drop something that read like a critique

• 16:56John Coogan?

  or commentary. It was in the zeitgeist at the same time, but I don't think that was intentional. I think they were working on this piece for like, probably months. It's like a very, it's like a paper. He's responding to the economists that put him in the truth zone, or at least tried to.

• 17:08Jordi Hays?

  Maybe, maybe it'd be helpful to kind of summarize, if people haven't read it, a kind of key fact, so that thesis is basically like, inequality is going to get worse because of AI. That's core thesis. And maybe you need to figure out a way to, different methods of taxation to redistribute the wealth that is ultimately created if, if people cannot effectively increase their own capital via their labor. So, key factors, they talk about privatization of returns. So like, very, very hard to get exposure to XAI right now, if you're just a normal person. Two, most people have their wealth in their home, right? And the issue is like, home equity is not a good way to benefit from increasing returns to capital

• 17:52Jordi Hays?

  that come from automation, right? If you have a home in. Ohio and you have like $300,000 locked up in that. You're not going to get like, you're not going to get some massive incremental return from that. Maybe somebody that is, you know, pursuing AI automation or, or building factories or something. They could like buy your home at a premium, but they could also just buy acres and acres and acres of just like land somewhere else in the US.

• 18:17John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:17Jordi Hays?

  At, uh, far, far less. They talk about the end of international sort of catch up, which, uh, is basically that poor countries historically had a lot of cheap labor.

• 18:26John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:26Jordi Hays?

  They'd bring in capital, they would turn that, uh, and, and, uh, they would.

• 18:30John Coogan?

  Put the cheap labor to work.

• 18:31Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, they'd create value and retain some of that value.

• 18:34John Coogan?

  Yep.

• 18:34Jordi Hays?

  Uh, even though a lot of the investment was foreign. They talk about like wealth transfer as the, uh, a lot of more developed economies are, uh, sort of like aging, aging out effectively. I guess pushback here generally like, hey, even in the scenario that you lay out, things could get so crazy that the institutions just break.

• 18:53John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:53Jordi Hays?

  The way that the world currently works breaks. If you own a bunch of OpenAI shares in, in this sort of fast takeoff scenario, it is this, you know, to, to. Maybe there's a world where you could pay for things with OpenAI shares, right? But is a super intelligence going to say, oh, oh, yes, I would like to buy some OpenAI shares, right?

• 19:15John Coogan?

  Buys them all. Corners of markets.

• 19:17Jordi Hays?

  Buys them all or just rebuild, you know, effectively just re, you know, so I love, you know, reading, uh, I, I love reading this essay. I'd like to see more of them, but it's so difficult to, any scenario you can imagine, there are 50, there's an infinite number of parallel realities where none of the same ground rules apply.

• 19:36John Coogan?

  It would be funny if we, if we discovered aliens that were just extremely rich. Like, would that make us all worse off? Like, would, would, would Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos go to bed sadder a million light years away?

• 19:49Jordi Hays?

  Like your size is not size.

• 19:51John Coogan?

  That we're just like, yeah, we actually, we're actually sitting on an eye, uh, an entire planet of diamonds. And we're worth quadrillions of dollars. Everyone here is worth quadrillions of dollars. You guys are nowhere near us in terms of wealth. Like, how much is it, how much is wealth inequality a direct focus on like the keeping up with the Joneses? Like, the neighbor effect, the direct memetics of like the person that you see as your, as your equal? Ben Thompson kind of returns to this, this idea that you have to assume that something about the human condition holds where humans are upset by wealth inequality. But they don't value other humans, or the work of other humans, or the creativity of other humans. And they don't see any value in that.

• 20:32John Coogan?

  He quotes Louis C.K. in, in an October 2008 appearance of Late Night with Conan. But let's watch this Louis C.K. clip.

• 20:40Speaker 04

  We may be going back to that, by the way, but, uh, in a way, good. Because when I read things like "The foundations of capitalism are shattering," I'm like, "Maybe we need that. Maybe we need some time where we're walking around with a donkey with pots clanging on the side." You think that would just bring us back to reality? Yeah, because everything is amazing right now, and nobody's happy. Like, in my lifetime, the changes in the world have been incredible. When I was a kid, we had a rotary phone. We had a phone that you had to stand next to, and you had to dial it. Yes. You don't, you don't realize how primitive, you're making sparks

• 21:16Speaker 04

  in a phone. And you actually would hate people with zeros in their numbers, because it was more like, "Oh, this guy's got two zeros, screw that guy, why do I want to..."

• 21:26Speaker 04

  And then if, if they called and you weren't home, the phone would just ring lonely by itself. And then if you wanted money, you had to go in the bank for, when it was open for like three hours. You had to stand in line, write yourself a check like an idiot. And then when you ran out of money, you'd just go, "Well, I can't do any more things now." Right. "I can't do any more things." That's it, yeah. That was it. And even if you had a credit card, they'd, the guy'd go, "Ugh," and he'd bring out this whole shunk, shunk, and he'd write, "Oh, cut." You'd have to call the president to see if you had any money. It's all true, kids, you had to call the president, yeah. It was ridiculous. Yes. Do you feel that we now, in the 21st century, we take technology for granted? Well, yeah, because now we live in an, in an amazing, amazing world,

• 22:09Speaker 04

  and it's wasted on the, on the crappiest generation of just spoiled idiots that don't care, because this is what people are like now. They got their phone, and they're like, "Ugh, it won't..." Give it a second! It's going to space. Can you give it a second to get back from space? Is the speed of light too slow?

• 22:36Speaker 04

  I was on a, I was on an airplane and there was internet, high-speed internet on the airplane. That's the newest thing that I know exists. And I'm sitting on the plane and they go, open up your laptop, you can go on the internet. And it's fast and I'm watching YouTube clips. It's amazing, I'm in an airplane.

• 22:49John Coogan?

  2008, watching YouTube on a T-?

• 22:51Speaker 04

  And they apologize, the internet's not working. The guy next to me goes, this is bull****.

• 22:59Speaker 04

  Like, how quickly the world owes him something. Yes. He knew existed only 10 seconds ago. Right, right. And on planes.

• 23:11Jordi Hays?

  Couple of days ago, my, my one and a half-year-old has not, has not been sleeping super well. You know, toddlers, they go through periods where they sleep well and then they stop sleeping well. And with my three-year-old, we hired a, when he was going through a similar phase, we hired a sleep consultant. These are people that just help your baby, it's like a sleep coach for your baby and, and the parents or whatever. And with my three-year-old, we hired somebody and they effectively, you know, it's effect, the effective rate is like hundreds of dollars an hour, right? Because there's some retainer and blah, blah, blah. And it works really well, like it's a lifesaver. But with one and a half-year-old, a few days ago, my wife just goes through an LLM and just like breaks down exactly.

• 23:54John Coogan?

  What's happening.

• 23:55Jordi Hays?

  Like what's happening.

• 23:55John Coogan?

  Gets the answer.

• 23:56Jordi Hays?

  And it is effectively running calculations based on the child's age and their sleep patterns now and how to get them back on a better sleep pattern. And within 24 hours, like the problem was totally solved. Like back to sleeping on the right schedule, napping on the right schedule, like basically one-shot it. OpenAI has gotten so much, specifically Sam has gotten so much pushback because he'll go out and say like, we're gonna solve this. You're gonna have person, you're gonna have like a personal tutor in your pocket and all this stuff. And then people like hammer him because it's like, well then we're doing Sora and we're doing, you know, adult entertainment and things like that. Like AI is actually already delivering on, on this sort of.

• 24:37John Coogan?

  Do you remember the Fallon clip that, where that went viral? Where, where Fallon asks him like, are, do you use ChatGPT to parent your kid? And he was like, honestly, like it feels weird to say it, but yes. What Louis CK identified in this clip was the extent to which human happiness is a relative versus an absolute phenomenon. What we care about is how much we have, is not how much we have, but how we compare. That by extension is what drives the technological paradox I noted above. More capabilities, more broadly distributed, has tremendously enriched the world on an absolute basis. But the end result, however, has been the dramatic expansion of our comparison set, making us feel more immiserated than ever. If we discover the trillionaire, quadrillionaire aliens, we're all done for.

• 25:20Jordi Hays?

  We're going to be miserable. Uh, should we take it over to Jaco?

• 25:22John Coogan?

  Yeah, Jaco Willing.

• 25:23Jordi Hays?

  Jaco, uh, Jaco, one of the greatest podcast capitalists, maybe, right? Apparently, uh, I didn't even know he had this brand, Origin, uh, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

• 25:34John Coogan?

  He has so many products.

• 25:35Jordi Hays?

  Made gear. Apparently, somebody, uh, is a, uh, somebody in the government is a, is a Jaco supporter because they threw Maduro, uh, in some Origin, uh, looking sharp. Got him out of the Nike tech.

• 25:48John Coogan?

  It's called Origin Built By Freedom hoodie on Maduro.

• 25:51Jordi Hays?

  We gotta get Maduro on some TVPN merch.

• 25:53John Coogan?

  I think we absolutely do not have to do that.

• 25:56Jordi Hays?

  Yeah.

• 25:57John Coogan?

  That's ridiculous.

• 25:58Jordi Hays?

  Silence. In turn, Marco Rubio was talking about how they don't have to pay out the reward now because they just got them themselves. We, of course, uh...

• 26:06John Coogan?

  I feel like we deserve a little small slice for promoting the reward.

• 26:09Jordi Hays?

  We did, we did do a promoted post for, uh, the capture Maduro back in Q1 of last year. Delta gets all the credit, maybe the DEA.

• 26:18John Coogan?

  Ousted Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro pleaded not guilty to drug trafficking charges during his arraignment in US federal court in New York City on Monday, defiantly telling a judge that he was still the head of his nation despite being whisked away by US forces over the weekend. "I am innocent," he said. "I am not guilty. I am a decent man. I am still the president of my country," he said through a Spanish interpreter, adding that he was a prisoner of war and had been captured from his home in Caracas. Maduro's top lieutenant, Delsi Rodriguez, was sworn in as Venezuela's acting president Monday, and Delsi Rodriguez is picked by Maduro, so should be a Maduro ally, but there's been back and forth on how much he'll be cooperating with the United States.

• 27:02John Coogan?

  Security officers were out enforcing Krakis, running checkpoints and patrolling neighborhoods to prevent protests. In Manhattan, Monday's hearing kicked off a nearly unprecedented legal battle over a foreign leader in a US court. The arrest of a head of state presents challenges for both prosecutors and the defense. The two sides could spend years sparring over the legality of Maduro's arrest and charges before he goes to trial.

• 27:28Jordi Hays?

  Chat says Maduro uses perplexity because of Ronaldo. I wonder, the chat is going off saying "good," you know, the Jaco line. Do you think Maduro is looking in the mirror from the clink?

• 27:40John Coogan?

  Got captured by US Delta Force, good.

• 27:43Jordi Hays?

  Good, wearing his origin.

• 27:45John Coogan?

  Arrested, arrested on drug trafficking charges, good. More inspiration to grind harder. It's an opportunity to learn about the US legal system. Thank you everyone for listening to TVP on today. We will be back at 11 a.m. Pacific tomorrow.

• 27:59Jordi Hays?

  Thanks for tuning in. Cheers.