Allbirds’ AI Pivot, Snap Cuts 16% of Workforce, Amazon’s GlobalStar Deal | Diet TBPN

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• 0:02John Coogan?

  Tax Day. I hope you paid your taxes. We have a great show for you today, folks. Bunch of crazy stories going on. Allbirds is now an AI company. Snap is restructuring the entire company. Amazon's buying Globalstar. There's new info on Apple's new AI glasses. We're going to take you through it all. So, why am I not wearing a white suit? It's because although the market is at all-time highs, I don't understand why. It feels like there's never been more chaos in the markets and I'm seeing a lot of companies that are under pressure, a lot of software companies that are under pressure, a lot of companies I know and love under pressure. But it does feel like the Mag7 is doing well

• 0:43John Coogan?

  and some of the bigger companies are doing well. AI is still a mega cycle and there are exciting pockets of opportunity in the market, but we will be digging into it.

• 0:52Jordi Hays?

  And certainly, Allbirds is doing quite well.

• 0:55John Coogan?

  Yes. How much is it up today?

• 0:57Jordi Hays?

  714%.

• 0:58John Coogan?

  So, we talked about this maybe last week. That's an insane gain for a single day, but they're completely changing the business model. The Financial Times has a hilarious article in Alphaville. Alphaville has a great headlines. Allbirds is turning into an AI compute provider because of course it is. And it goes through what's happened over the last few years, few months. There's been a lot of twists and turns with this story, but we'll take you through it. So, they start by saying, ah, zeitgeist. Allbirds is a San Francisco maker of wool trainers that was once valued at more than $4 billion. That's pretty big for a direct-to-consumer shoe company at the same time.

• 1:39Jordi Hays?

  DTC darling.

• 1:40John Coogan?

  When it was growing and selling a lot of shoes, Nike is a big company. It makes sense that if you could get a piece of that, maybe you could be a multi-billion dollar company.

• 1:49Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, and they were selling a lot of shoes. They were very on-trend.

• 1:52John Coogan?

  Yeah, I think that they got the revenues into the hundreds of millions of dollars and you would see them everywhere.

• 1:57Jordi Hays?

  Bunch of owned retail.

• 1:59John Coogan?

  Yeah, yeah. They definitely had some owned retail stores and were pursuing the hybrid online/offline sales model. It was working. It was never, it was never just like some completely hypothetical vaporware company. Like, they were real shoes. You could buy them, wear them, it was fine. But it was sold last month for $39 million to American Exchange Group, the stock having slumped more than 99% since its flotation on the NASDAQ in 2021. And so, look at this chart, Jordy. Very, very rough.

• 2:29Jordi Hays?

  Is that good?

• 2:31John Coogan?

  That is not good.

• 2:32Jordi Hays?

  Okay.

• 2:32John Coogan?

  But maybe the next plan is better. We'll figure it out. So the plan for the Shell listing is, quote, "to pivot its business to AI compute infrastructure with a long-term vision to become a fully-integrated GPU as a service, an AI cloud solutions provider in connection with this pivot." The company anticipates changing its name to New Bird AI. And so this was very unexpected. We can talk about where we are.

• 3:01Jordi Hays?

  With shareholder approval, Allbirds will raise 50 million via convertible notes from an institutional investor. It does not identify. So they're going to be able to get at least a few GPUs.

• 3:12John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:13Jordi Hays?

  For that. Maybe, maybe they'll be able to plug them in. Maybe, maybe a whole rack.

• 3:17John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:17Jordi Hays?

  They can plug in a rack. But yeah, big questions around where are they going to get the compute? Where are they going to get the, the energy? It, will anyone rely, will be willing to rely on them? Tons and tons of questions.

• 3:30John Coogan?

  This feels like an institutional investor who says, "I want to participate in this idea that even older GPUs are trading above par." And so GPUs are sort of gaining value and they want in on that in some meaningful way. But they also want to wrap it in a public company that can sort of become a meme stock, essentially. And then basically everything else about the business will be different because the entire shoe business will be sold off. And, and this is basically just a use for the, of the ticker and the listing and the shell and then probably an entirely different team, entirely different strategy, entirely different.

• 4:08Jordi Hays?

  Yeah.

• 4:09John Coogan?

  Everything, basically. New name. So here's the Schedule 14A that explains the pivot ahead of a shareholder vote on May 18th. It adds, "With respect to the renamed corporate entity, we are investigating potential opportunities in the computing infrastructure market, including the acquisition and monetization of graphics processing units." Related high-performance computing infrastructure capable to support high workloads, whether from artificial intelligence and machine learning or other needs of potential future customers and other related assets. Also, because the anticipated electronics infrastructure business would be less focused on the public benefit of environmental conservation, which is stated in the company's certificate of incorporation, I guess Allbirds was a public benefit corporation because

• 4:53John Coogan?

  the wool was supposed to be more environmentally friendly. It was almost like an REI-type brand. They are doing away with that, and so the stockholders are being asked to approve the charter amendment proposal to remove references to the company being operated for the environmental conservation public benefit. That is not going to be popular with the Allbirds fans.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  Oh, boy.

• 5:13John Coogan?

  The announcement was enough to establish Allbirds as a meme stock at Pixeltime when this went to print. The shares are up 774% at $21.76 a share to give the soon-to-be Shell a market cap of slightly more than $184.5 million. And so I guess the question you have to ask is if this $50 million comes in, they're able to buy GPUs, rack them, get some value out of it, is that worth anywhere near $184 million? It's a tough sell, but the market will figure it out over the next few days, I'm sure.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  Dave Portnoy.

• 5:52John Coogan?

  Hold on, let's hear from him.

• 5:54Speaker 02

  It's interesting, I mean, $50 million is like not enough to like lease to a Neolab, right? Because you just like can't buy enough capacity.

• 6:01John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:02Speaker 02

  So it is interesting. I don't know who the actual like consumer of these GPUs will be.

• 6:05John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  Maybe you could just like resell them on OpenRadar or something.

• 6:08John Coogan?

  Yeah, yeah, you could resell on OpenRadar.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  Like you're running.

• 6:11John Coogan?

  I mean, George Hots was talking about that, remember?

• 6:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, the GeoHots method.

• 6:14John Coogan?

  He was talking about like he found a building that had cheap power and he was going to just buy a bunch of GPUs, and I think he was raising like 10 million or 20 million to do that, and he was going to sell the tokens on OpenRadar profitably. And so there's a potential business model there. Also, yeah, so you probably couldn't sell to a Neolab that's doing some huge foundation model training run, but there might be some company that's doing like fine-tuning on some small model or doing some niche model. I mean, Again, to go back to George Hots, like he had a, you know, a couple racks of GPUs that he was training self-driving cars on. And you have to imagine that there's lots of like long tail applications for for custom models that need to be trained that aren't as big, maybe. I don't know.

• 6:57Speaker 02

  I mean, so this is like essentially just a spec because you're just

• 7:00John Coogan?

  Yes.

• 7:00Speaker 02

  Everything is

• 7:01John Coogan?

  Yes, it's

• 7:02Jordi Hays?

  No, it was already, it was already a public company and they're just adapt, they're doing like a massive pivot. I don't think they will make any progress at all.

• 7:11John Coogan?

  No.

• 7:11Jordi Hays?

  I think that it is entirely a meme. I woke up this morning, I was like, that is really funny, you know, taking the taking, Allbirds became a meme, right? The company was basically dying, but the meme remained strong.

• 7:25John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:26Jordi Hays?

  And it's kind of making, Allbirds in some way just like became such a part of the uniform of Silicon Valley. It was something that Silicon Valley was mocked for and to take that corporate shell and make a mockery of our industry again feels, feels quite fitting. And so anyways,

• 7:46John Coogan?

  Is this bullish for the shoes?

• 7:49Jordi Hays?

  Even Dave Portnoy said, I don't get it.

• 7:53John Coogan?

  And he loves a meme stock.

• 7:55Jordi Hays?

  And he loves a meme stock, so.

• 7:56John Coogan?

  Can we play this video?

• 7:57Jordi Hays?

  I have no idea how the actual stock will perform. My understanding is like they sold off all of the Allbirds assets.

• 8:05John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:05Jordi Hays?

  Right?

• 8:06John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:06Jordi Hays?

  So for $39 million, they sold it to American Exchange Group.

• 8:10John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:10Jordi Hays?

  They got the domain.

• 8:11John Coogan?

  And so they're just kind of using the

• 8:13Jordi Hays?

  They got all the IP.

• 8:14John Coogan?

  As a quicker way to get to the public markets.

• 8:16Jordi Hays?

  The ticker remained public and it was just sitting there. And I think a lot of people are sitting there talking to their friends, being like, why did I not think to turn Allbirds into a neo-clout?

• 8:27John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:29Jordi Hays?

  Why am I, we, we

• 8:31John Coogan?

  It's gotta, it's gotta go on.

• 8:32Jordi Hays?

  We had a buddy who's a very, very smart investor, who you could just tell wanted to slam his head into the table because he's you know, spending all of this time trying to, you know, trying to pick real winners, invest in, you know, fantastic durable businesses and all, you know, right in front of him was what in hindsight is like a very, very obvious play.

• 8:52John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:53Jordi Hays?

  Looking back at like the history of, the last time this happened was Long Island Ice Tea. In 2017, December 20, 20, December 21st, 2017, the company announced that it was changing its name from Long Island Ice Tea to the Long Blockchain Corp. And said it would shift its strategy toward exploration of an investment in opportunities that leverage the benefits of blockchain technology while keeping its beverage subsidiary. The stock surged immediately after the announcement amid crypto mania. Again, this was the 2017 cycle. Coverage reported jumps of roughly 200% and some reports said it rose as much as 380%

• 9:37Jordi Hays?

  midday and it basically then just started to like chop, chop for a few weeks and ultimately faced various, had a little run in with the SEC. And they brought insider trading charges ahead, you know, because of activity that happened ahead of the pivot announcement. So I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar here.

• 10:03John Coogan?

  The Long Island Iced Tea Company was doing 4 million in sales in 2017, something like that, 25 employees, like pretty small company back then, and then just sort of wound down. People are not, are not very optimistic that this would work. Ben says, hopefully everyone understands whatever the all birds pivot is, they will unlikely, they will, they won't likely secure any power, any GPUs at reasonable scale and need a lot more money than this to even have a prayer. And you certainly see that with all the other neo clouds that show up on, on ClusterMax. Every neo cloud that we talked to on the show is, you know, raising hundreds of millions

• 10:45John Coogan?

  of dollars and then debt on top of it and is usually, has a lineage that traces back years, if not a decade and has a whole bunch of interesting, you know, unique value props to actually, whether it's the, on the software side, on the deployment side, on the, on the infrastructure side, on the energy side, actually going and finding power is very, very difficult and continues to be. But yes, a lot of people are saying this is dot com vibes. It is crazy. Citrini says, can we please wait until we are at least 5% above previous all time highs to start doing this? And it does seem like this. If you sell shoes pivot to a GPU cloud, I guess. And negligible capital has the meme from Wolf of Wall Street. The name of the company? New Bird AI.

• 11:27John Coogan?

  It's a cutting edge AI native at cloud infrastructure firm out of, well, they used to be out of San Francisco making sneakers, but forget that, John. They are now awaiting imminent deployment of next generation GPU compute clusters. That have both massive enterprise and consumer applications. Now, right now, John, the stock trades on the NASDAQ at about the price of a cup of coffee. And by the way, John, our analysts indicate it could go a heck of a lot higher than that. And John, one more thing, they're up just 160% today. What a, what a wild time. Mike Isaac says this is just going to be the default for any failing entity that owns a significant amount of real estate able to be converted into data centers. I'm waiting for the RB server farms. I don't know if that's what's happening here with real estate. I think it's more about the shell entity.

• 12:08Jordi Hays?

  The brand.

• 12:09John Coogan?

  No, not even the brand. I mean, the brand.

• 12:11Jordi Hays?

  No, the brand, the brands, like, there has to be a goofiness to it.

• 12:14John Coogan?

  Yes.

• 12:15Jordi Hays?

  For it to be, to have the meme potential.

• 12:16John Coogan?

  Yeah, to become a meme.

• 12:17Jordi Hays?

  Because I don't think anybody who's investing in this company actually thinks they will build a great

• 12:24John Coogan?

  Neo cloud.

• 12:26John Coogan?

  Yeah, it is just.

• 12:27Jordi Hays?

  We just, we just have, you know, talked to so many of these, of these companies. And there are a number of established players. In fact, they're already, you know, everyone expects the market for inference to be one of the biggest markets of all time.

• 12:40John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:40Jordi Hays?

  But that doesn't mean, that doesn't mean that, that anyone that, that attempts to build a business here will be successful.

• 12:46John Coogan?

  Yeah, well, let's move over to Snap. Evan Spiegel, former guest of the show, two-time in-person guest.

• 12:52Jordi Hays?

  They're saying he went to Coachella and came back and was like.

• 12:55John Coogan?

  Right-sized the company. So he's laying off 1,000 full-time employees, which is roughly 16% of the global workforce as part of an effort to reduce costs and achieve profitability. In a memo to employees Wednesday, Spiegel said the cuts are necessary for Snap to boost efficiency as it pursues profitable growth. He cited improvements in artificial intelligence technology that let Snap employees move more quickly. The company is also closing more than 300 open roles. Spiegel told staffers, many of whom were told to work from home on Wednesday, that the job cuts and pullback on hiring will reduce Snap's annualized cost base by more than 500 million by the second half of this year. Snap estimated that total revenue rose 12% to 1.53 billion in the first quarter. So 6 billion in total revenue run rate.

• 13:41John Coogan?

  Adjusted earnings before interest, basically EBITDA, is 200.

• 13:46John Coogan?

  Thirty-three million during the period. Snap shares jumped as much as nine percent after markets opened in New York. Spiegel wrote a memo. He said, "Last fall, I described Snap as facing a crucible moment, requiring a new way of working that is faster and more efficient while pivoting towards profitable growth. Over the past several months, we have carefully reviewed the work required to best serve our community and partners and made tough choices to prioritize the investments we believe are most likely to create long-term value." The stock is down thirty-one percent so far this year. And what's interesting is that it is not really this SaaS apocalypse narrative because even if you vibe code a Snapchat clone, you won't have the actual usage data, the network effect that exists.

• 14:29John Coogan?

  But the market has definitely turned on stock-based comp and another and just is in the hunt for profitability broadly.

• 14:36Jordi Hays?

  Which, of course, Snap has never had a generated a single dollar of net income.

• 14:44John Coogan?

  When you include stock-based comp, right? I think that always includes stock-based comp. And so EBITDA is positive, but they issue a lot of stock to comp the employees and that has weighed down on the share price because there's a lot of dilution. And while Spiegel is also working to sell a vision for augmented reality glasses, which the company plans to debut later this year, it has leaned heavily on outside firms to power its AI offerings. Larger rivals are spending aggressively to build and develop their own state-of-the-art AI products and infrastructure. The job cuts arrived just weeks after activist investor Irenic Capital Management took a stake in the company and called for swift changes in that memo that we reviewed on the show a couple of weeks ago, including a recommendation that Snap cut its workforce in hopes of boosting the stock price.

• 15:29John Coogan?

  "Like many of your peers, you overhired," the investor wrote in a letter to Spiegel last month. "Unlike your peers, you haven't course corrected." Spiegel's note to employees didn't mention whether the job cuts were related to Irenic's recent demands. Other major tech companies have slashed their workforces, including Snap rival Meta Platforms. Meta eliminated hundreds of jobs globally in March and shed roughly 1,000 workers from its Reality Labs group back in January, all while ramping up investments in AI. Spiegel suggested AI was one part of his decision for the cuts. "While these changes are necessary to realize Snap's long-term potential, Spiegel said of the cuts, 'We believe that rapid advancements in AI enable our teams to reduce repetitive work, increase velocity, and better support our community, partners, and advertisers.'" And so the big question that I have

• 16:13John Coogan?

  Generally, it's like, what is the actual replacement rate? Like, how much are they spending on AI? We saw that report from Uber that they blew through a year of budget on AI tools in just a couple of months.

• 16:24Jordi Hays?

  Yeah.

• 16:25John Coogan?

  And a lot of people were sort of reacting to that, saying like, well, I've used the Uber app for years. It doesn't feel like it's changing dramatically. Of course, there's manual workflows that internally might need to be done and AI might speed that up. But in terms of getting like net new applications, net new apps that people actually use and enjoy, that seems to be like the next opportunity for for real growth as opposed to just cost optimization. $400 million deal with perplexity is no longer happening. I guess that's been pulled back on.

• 16:58Jordi Hays?

  I really wonder why the perplexity seen seemingly some very real growth in their new product.

• 17:05John Coogan?

  Computer.

• 17:05Jordi Hays?

  Computer. There's been, they've been sharing some of their, the increased revenue that they're seeing from that. But yeah, that was, I think, one of the things that, yeah, what did, in the save snap now campaign, that was one of the, one of these suggestions.

• 17:22John Coogan?

  Was to pull out of that?

• 17:23Jordi Hays?

  Is to concentrate AI partnerships on clear winners like Gemini, OpenAI, and Anthropic.

• 17:28John Coogan?

  Oh, interesting.

• 17:29Jordi Hays?

  So they were not in favor. And again, it seemed, seemed like perplexity would be in a position where they would pay the most, actually, for that distribution. And we'll see if they actually backfill that slot or just focus on their own tooling.

• 17:43John Coogan?

  So the full presentation is up now, which you can read through. After nine years of being a public company, 15 years since being founded, Evan Spiegel finally decided to put a business plan together for how to reach profitability. And so you can go click through all of that. What else is going on? Oh, you wanted to talk about Anthony Pompliano's new Agentic podcast on Wall Street. The show's called Best Stocks, and it's 100% AI-generated. Each episode is based off the Agentic research articles. Synthetic AI content will be more popular than human-created content, he says. And he had it covered in Axios. I could see a daily.

• 18:20Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, so, so, so a lot of people, a lot of people are, Best Stocks is kind of a funny name because it's just like the most generic possible name for a finance podcast. What's your, what's your finance podcast called? Called Best Stocks. But. I think that historically, one of the main downsides of the podcast was that they always had this lag, right? They were recorded, edited, and then eventually published. But people, and so like, in some ways, TV remained competitive as a place where if you wanted to understand what was happening in the markets, you turn on CNBC, right? It's always on, you can always kind of get an update there. And so I think that like, real-time podcasts, that was part of, part of what I think helped us get some traction early with the show, was that we

• 19:05Jordi Hays?

  were publishing every single day. So it was like, kind of a real-time look into the markets. I think that this show, I haven't listened to an episode yet, I'll try it on the way home. Given the popularity of, I think this, there's like, a real-time like, politics one, that is done very well, on Apple Podcasts. I think that, I think that this show could find an audience, right? It's basically Notebook LM, but, but a little bit more curated, probably a little bit more opinionated. You don't have to like, be prompting yourself. I would expect this to get some level of traction of people just wanting to turn something on, understand in real-time what's happening. And it uses, obviously, the existing distribution. So, we'll see. But not as bearish as some of the, some of the other people.

• 19:49John Coogan?

  Well, let's switch over to Amazon. Why is Amazon buying Starlink rival Globalstar in an $11 billion deal? The race is heating up between Amazon and SpaceX. So, Amazon's buying satellite operator Globalstar in a deal that the company's estimated at about 10.8 billion, seeking to build a business connecting consumer smartphones with satellite internet connections. The deal would give Amazon's LEO Satellite Ventures a boost, as advised with SpaceX's dominant Starlink network. The Elon Musk-controlled satellite business has been launching satellites designed to connect to consumer devices, and signing agreements with mobile carriers. Here's what's at stake. Amazon plans to launch new satellite-to-cellphone

• 20:30John Coogan?

  service in 2028. That feels far away, but I guess it's only two years away. A big factor in the deal is Globalstar's control over spectrum resources, which we've seen trade hands a few times now, which Amazon could use to provide satellite links to smartphones. Those wireless assets would enable a plan for Amazon to deploy its own

• 20:47Jordi Hays?

  John, brace yourself.

• 20:48John Coogan?

  Tell me.

• 20:49Jordi Hays?

  AST Space Mobile's down 10 and 1/2% in five days.

• 20:53John Coogan?

  No way.

• 20:53Jordi Hays?

  Selling off.

• 20:54John Coogan?

  Selling off on this news?

• 20:55Jordi Hays?

  Yeah.

• 20:55John Coogan?

  Yeah. I mean, maybe the, the, people are worried about like, a duopoly here. I don't know, Ben Thompson was talking about ASTs a little bit. Yeah, he said, this isn't the only example of leaning companies wanting to avoid being at the mercy of SpaceX. Verizon is at it again in terms of their own satellite service, doubling down on their investment in AST Space Mobile. Instead of coming to a deal with Starlink for not just better service, but service that actually exists. So AST, AST Space Mobile is years behind. They don't have a constellation actually up and active yet, but they have plans to.

• 21:28Jordi Hays?

  They have concepts of a plan.

• 21:29John Coogan?

  What other company is the clear leader in that space? Well, it's the one that Ben Thompson expressed hope last year would lean into a SpaceX Spark partnership, and that was Apple. And so, he says the problem, he noted, is that it was hard to see Apple and SpaceX ever resolving who would actually be in charge. Apple clearly agrees because they are not only declining to work with SpaceX, I actually think they were the driving force in this global star deal. And so, the battles between all the different tech companies continue to rage.

• 22:02Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, and AST Space Mobile now has a heavily, heavily, heavily funded competitor in the same general category.

• 22:10John Coogan?

  Yeah, yeah, there was a moment where.

• 22:12Jordi Hays?

  Like, Amazon's not spending 11 and a half billion and then just gonna be like, alright, we're gonna like, try to be really, you know, run this super efficiently. They're gonna invest heavily.

• 22:20John Coogan?

  Yep, in between Leo and Blue Origin.

• 22:23Jordi Hays?

  Or Amazon business as they get to scale.

• 22:26John Coogan?

  Yeah, they don't have devices and so they won't be fully vertically integrated, but what Ben Thompson's pointing out is that Apple might not want to have a single point of leverage there with SpaceX, and so they're balancing the two out. SpaceX's overall Starlink fleet numbers around 10,000 operational satellites. Elon had this cool chart of 10 to the zero, 10 to the one, 10 to the two, 10 to the three, like, the exponential every 10x number of satellites. And they check them off at Starlink HQ and they get to the next. The next order of magnitude. And the company plans to launch thousands more in the years ahead. Starlink has deployed more than 650 satellites dedicated to providing connections to cellphones as of the end of last year, connecting more than 12 million people, according to the company.

• 23:09John Coogan?

  Global Star operates a network of satellites and in recent years has provided Apple with satellite links to support features for iPhones. Apple's service allows users to send text messages, call emergency assistance, and seek roadside help in areas where cellphone service isn't available. And the Global Star service has always been slower than, it's high Earth orbit, so it's a lot slower than a Starlink connection. But they are already working with Amazon to figure out the next iteration of that. So, Amazon said Tuesday that it had agreed to a deal with Apple to power satellite services for its iPhone and Apple Watch and to work together on future satellite services using Leo's growing network. Global Star has separately been working with Canadian satellite maker MDA Space to

• 23:52John Coogan?

  develop new satellites that Global Star would own with capacity dedicated to Apple. So, Global Star's global spectrum rights became more valuable as SpaceX and Apple began more aggressively using satellite links to connect phones. So, connecting cellphones through satellites is still a nascent market. Most consumers who live in urban areas get links through traditional telecom providers, carriers that have struck satellite to smartphone deals, have promoted them as ways for consumers to always have some degree of internet connectivity in remote areas. SpaceX, of course, has a rocket advantage. They have a fleet of Falcon 9 rockets to build Starlink into the biggest satellite fleet in history. Amazon has been splashing out billions of dollars to other launch providers, including ULA and Blue Origin to build up the Leo network, but delays have slowed Amazon's effort.

• 24:37John Coogan?

  You have a take?

• 24:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I wonder how smoothly this will lead into space data centers? Because I know Blue Origin has talked a little bit about doing that. I think they got some, they got some permission from, I think, the FCC. Yeah. Yeah, like, it seems like this is the very, like, this is the natural endpoint. You're basically just like doing similar things to Elon.

• 24:58John Coogan?

  Yeah, I was, I was reading, I think Ben Thompson mentioned it about Global Stars, like original, Global Stars assets are all things considered pretty middling. 24 satellites nearing the end of their 15 years lifespan. So they only have 24 satellites up there and they use a bent pipe architecture, which is signal relaying, only no onboard processing. So I think it's actually just a reflector dish. I don't, I'm not for sure, I'm not sure exactly how this works, but that's, that's what it seems like. I, maybe there's, I mean, he's saying there's no onboard processing. I'm not exactly sure how detailed that is. I want to.

• 25:36Jordi Hays?

  This is reminding me, why did Allbirds not kind of rally their pivot around space data centers?

• 25:43John Coogan?

  They should have, yeah. Yeah, why?

• 25:45Jordi Hays?

  Huge.

• 25:45John Coogan?

  Why are they doing data centers when, you know, compute on the ground?

• 25:49Jordi Hays?

  Lean into the new meta.

• 25:50John Coogan?

  Yeah, the new meta for sure. Maybe, yeah, who knows? Maybe next week they'll be looking for another story and that'll be it. Thank you for tuning in. We will see you tomorrow at 11 a.m. sharp.

• 25:58Jordi Hays?

  It's been an honor and a privilege.

• 26:00John Coogan?

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• 26:05Jordi Hays?

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