Pod Insights Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso Actor Julia Garner is Hollywood’s Secret ‘Weapon’ About this episode Actor Julia Garner (Ozark) has built a career out of shapeshifting. This summer, the Emmy-winning performer lands on the silver (surfer) screen with two major projects—The Fantastic Four: First Steps https://www.fandango.com/the-fantastic-four-first-steps-2025-236967/movie-overview and the highly-anticipated horror film, Weapons https://www.fandango.com/weapons-2025-240417/movie-overview?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22779704094&gbraid=0AAAAA_YO_vrQ4LknNVAyfbeKBfwbOVR1x&gclid=CjwKCAjwhuHEBhBHEiwAZrvdcvYWc9hLhCTqp9PU0xh6qhhfYH4dlkjwdDwweGBpOI0nJmuc2M76KRoC0dIQAvD_BwE.
At the top, we walk through the spine-tingling world of Zach Cregger’s new film (6:45), the Moleskine character journals she keeps for each role (9:22), and some lessons from her time in clown school (14:01). Then, she reflects on her ‘Noah Baumbach-like’ upbringing (22:27) and the influence of legendary actors Bette Davis, Gena Rowlands, and Sharon Stone (23:15), who she credits for opening the doors in Hollywood that she has walked through (23:50).
On the back-half, Garner describes her transformative years making Ozark https://www.netflix.com/watch/80117807?source=35 (30:03), the whirlwind three-week prep period to portray Anna Delvey in Inventing Anna https://www.netflix.com/watch/81012921?source=35 (35:59), her comfort with discomfort (43:05), and how she remains open to growth in this next chapter (44:17).
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0:21 Sam Fragoso? This is Talk Easy. I'm Sam Fragoso. Welcome to the show.
0:38 Sam Fragoso? Today, actor Julia Garner. Last week, I sat with Chicago playwright David Mamet. It was an excellent episode of the show and a totally normal conversation between two civil adults. It also featured the line, "You look like someone who's never been punched in the face." But there was something else he said that I really enjoyed, besides the whole punching in the face bit. And it was about acting and performers and how there's, quote, "No inner meaning of the character." This is something Mamet has been talking about for decades now. "The actor does not need to become the character," Mamet wrote in True and False, "because there is no character. It's just actors saying their lines."
1:21 Sam Fragoso? But I was thinking, in preparation for today's episode with Julia, what if it isn't just that? What if a performer does invest in interiority, does create narratives around the character that the audience may not see in the finished film or show, but that help create the performance we so greatly enjoy? What actor Julia Garner does and has been doing for over two decades is, in many ways, a repudiation of the ideas we heard last week from Mamet. You need only to seek out her body of work as evidence. Films like The Assistant, Wolfman, The Royal Hotel, or her television work in Ozark, The Americans, and Ben D'Anna.
2:05 Sam Fragoso? Each of which she imbues with the unique understanding of what director Kitty Green calls "her character's inner world", the entire film written on her face. Her latest act of shapeshifting comes in Weapons, directed by Zach Craigor. In it, Garner plays elementary school teacher Justine Gandy, who suddenly comes under fire from her community when 17 of her students randomly and simultaneously vanish at 2:17 in the morning. Here's a clip from the trailer.
2:45 Speaker 01 I, I just want to say how
2:51 Speaker 01 very sorry I am for- She should be locked up until she tells us what happened. The truth is, is that I want an answer just as bad as all of you.
3:02 Speaker 02 We're talking about 17 kids and one classroom. I want to know what happened in that classroom. Why just her classroom? Why only hers?
3:13 Speaker 01 I love those kids.
3:16 Speaker 03 This is a true story that happened right here in my town. A lot of people die in a lot of really weird ways in this story, but you're not going to find it in the news.
3:29 Speaker 04 Those kids walked out of those homes. No one pulled them out.
3:33 Speaker 04 No one forced them. What do you see that I don't?
3:37 Speaker 04 Show me, where did you go?
3:40 Speaker 05 There is something very, very wrong going on.
3:48 Sam Fragoso? That was from the new film Weapons, now available in a theater near you. And it really should be seen in the theater, by the way, because horror movies, like comedies, they play best in a crowd. And Weapons is no exception to the rule. The director, Zach Craigor, last traumatized movie-going audiences with this film Barbarian. I remember leaving the theater of that one and having to buy like an extra heavy dose of melatonin that night. But Weapons, I have to say, is more haunting than horrific. What it lacks in jump scares, it makes up for in Garner's unnerving but tender portrayal of a teacher in disarray.
4:28 Sam Fragoso? She loves her students more than just about anything and has now found herself being accused of being responsible for their disappearance. The film hinges on Garner's ability, as Greene said earlier, to have the film written on her face. Sometimes, it's just an actor saying their lines. But sometimes, it's what an actor doesn't say, the secrets they keep for themselves and for their characters. And so today, I talked to Julia about playing everyone from social icon artist Anna Delvey to being part of a Missouri mob family in Ozark. We also discussed her Noah Baumbach-like childhood, growing up in New York City, her
5:10 Sam Fragoso? earliest performances delivered around the kitchen table, and how she toggles between what Jason Bateman has called "her innate vulnerability and uncanny ferocity." Speaking of Ozark, you'll notice that the show comes up quite a bit in this episode with Julia. You may also notice that I tend to refer to the show as Ozarks, like with an S. I don't know why I do this. I think I may have thought the show was called Ozarks. It doesn't just happen once or twice, which is why I'm mentioning it here. I would encourage everyone who was going to comment or email a correction to instead just take a sip of whatever you're drinking every time I mess up.
5:53 Sam Fragoso? We're long overdue for a listener mailbag episode, so if you want to contribute to that, drop us a line or leave us a voice memo with any questions, comments, or feedback for Dave and Mamet. You can do so at [email protected] . If you want to watch this episode with Julia Garner, you can actually do so on our new YouTube page, which has been linked in today's description. And so with that, here is the star of Ozark, which is the last time I'll be getting the title right today: Julia Garner.
6:45 Sam Fragoso? Hi Julia.
6:45 Speaker 01 Hi.
6:46 Sam Fragoso? Nice to meet you.
6:47 Speaker 01 Nice to meet you, Sam.
6:48 Sam Fragoso? How are we doing?
6:49 Speaker 01 I'm good. I'm just, you know, here on your show, very excited.
6:55 Speaker 01 But yeah, I'm good.
6:56 Sam Fragoso? Okay, so you have two movies out at the moment, and I thought we start with Weapons, which I've heard you refer to as, quote, "a horror Magnolia." Now, when I think of Magnolia and the scene of like the frogs falling down, that feels like a horror movie to me. But explain to people who haven't seen it, how you see the film.
7:20 Speaker 01 Well, I also think too, it has comedic elements to it. It just feels like a long nightmare, a real nightmare. And it feels very intimate, because it feels like it could just be your everyday life. But it's, it's not everyday. It's a crazy ride.
7:38 Sam Fragoso? I was about to say, what does your everyday life look like?
7:41 Speaker 01 Not Weapons.
7:42 Sam Fragoso? Weapons is pretty far away from mine.
7:45 Speaker 01 I mean, it was Weapons when I was shooting it.
7:47 Sam Fragoso? Did you wake up every day at 2:17?
7:50 Speaker 01 In the morning, with fuming, with anxiety. Not for that job.
7:54 Sam Fragoso? Right. Oh, there's another one?
7:55 Speaker 01 Yeah, a different job, I guess. Yeah.
7:57 Sam Fragoso? The logline of the movie is, so like, you're a teacher at a school. Her name's Justine. You come in a class, only to discover that all of your students, except for one, have vanished in the night at the exact same time. It's my understanding that you keep a journal for each character, writing as the person you're about to play. So on the page, what did Justine sound like in your diary? What was she afraid of?
8:26 Speaker 01 Not feeling enough. And like, feeling like this sense of shame, in a way. And I think that's not what the movie is about, but the movie has aspects of addiction, each character in a way. And I think, you know, with addiction, behind the addiction is shame. There's that sense of not feeling worthy or like lovable. But she loves those kids. She loves those kids.
8:55 Sam Fragoso? And in the film, we see her with a drinking problem, or the very least.
9:00 Speaker 01 She doesn't think she's like a functioning alcoholic.
9:02 Sam Fragoso? Right.
9:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:03 Sam Fragoso? She teaches kids at times, maybe a little bit drunk. It's not, it's not exactly clear.
9:08 Speaker 01 It's ambiguous.
9:08 Sam Fragoso? It's ambiguous whether she crosses that line or not.
9:11 Speaker 01 She just shows up to work like just slosh like, hey kids.
9:15 Sam Fragoso? Not being enough is a, it's a lot.
9:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, I've been told that. No, I'm kidding.
9:21 Sam Fragoso? No, it's good. It's good. I mean, on the page, the diary that you keep for each character. Do you get a new Moleskine for each one?
9:30 Speaker 01 Each one?
9:30 Sam Fragoso? Or is it in the notes app?
9:32 Speaker 01 No, I have a Moleskine and it's not, you know, I don't finish the whole journal.
9:37 Sam Fragoso? For each character.
9:38 Speaker 01 For each character. But I can go back to every character I've ever played in my life, in my career, and look at that time. And it's really funny.
9:49 Sam Fragoso? That's amazing.
9:50 Speaker 01 Like my handwriting, I mean, my handwriting is still really bad. It used to be really good when I was a kid and then it just stopped.
9:56 Sam Fragoso? We tried to impress people more when we were kids.
10:00 Speaker 01 Right. Why do you think that is?
10:02 Sam Fragoso? I think we're told that we ought to.
10:04 Speaker 01 Do you think it's because we were more open? So we didn't want to disappoint?
10:09 Sam Fragoso? Were you more open as a kid?
10:11 Speaker 01 For sure. I think everybody's more open as a child. I also think that's why they're the best actors.
10:16 Sam Fragoso? Hmm. Although child actors, you're a rare exception. Sometimes it doesn't work so well.
10:22 Speaker 01 I mean, I started when I was 16 though.
10:24 Sam Fragoso? I guess it's like a child adjacent.
10:26 Speaker 01 Exactly. It's not, it's like now looking back and I'm like, wow, I was a kid. But when I was 16, I thought I was not a child and, you know, I wanted to go everywhere by myself.
10:36 Sam Fragoso? That's true. So when people saw you in Martha, Marcy, May, Marlene, even as a performer, it seemed like you had figured something out already by then.
10:45 Speaker 01 No.
10:46 Sam Fragoso? Nothing.
10:46 Speaker 01 No, I was like.
10:48 Sam Fragoso? You were that good at faking it.
10:49 Speaker 01 I've been acting my whole life, basically. Facts, actually. No, it, that, I started, I did that movie when I was 16. That was my first movie. So the thing that I learned from that job was just to be on a film set. I just didn't really get it and, but it was an incredible first job.
11:08 Sam Fragoso? Did you diary for that one too?
11:10 Speaker 01 No, cuz I was such a new actor.
11:12 Sam Fragoso? You were figuring it out.
11:13 Speaker 01 I was figuring it out and, you know, I didn't even know if I was gonna do this for the rest of my life, you know, I was still sixteen and I knew that I loved film, but you're just playing around when you're that age.
11:23 Sam Fragoso? The fact that you have a mole skin of all your characters, that you have entries for most of them.
11:28 Speaker 01 There's different things, there's like, I'll tell you.
11:30 Sam Fragoso? Yeah, okay, that's why I want to know the process.
11:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, so what I do is that I will write different characteristics. I don't like, you know, talking in third person, but I will for this. It's a big pet peeve of mine. Um, I will write as Julia.
11:49 Speaker 01 And then just different characteristics. And then I'll write like how my different relationships in my life.
11:57 Sam Fragoso? So for Justine, walk us through what that was.
12:00 Speaker 01 Well, I'll write like what my relationship is with my father, with my mother, with Paul, with the kids, like the different relationships in my life. And bullet points, have bullet points for that. And then I start writing as her. Instead of saying Justine, or she, or whatever, I'll write I.
12:21 Sam Fragoso? And does that help?
12:23 Speaker 01 It helps a lot because you already have everything, all the bullet points marinated and then you kind of can just write whatever, you know, she's feeling in a way.
12:34 Sam Fragoso? Do you remember when you started doing that? Like, where did that process even come from?
12:38 Speaker 01 It came from like taking notes. I also don't love to write in my script because I don't want people to see my notes.
12:46 Sam Fragoso? You're protective of them.
12:47 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, I have a trauma with that, actually.
12:50 Sam Fragoso? Go on.
12:50 Speaker 01 I had, a long time ago, I had a director once that I found out they're like, yeah, maybe don't write so much on the script cuz you're giving it away and, which is not so crazy, but like that's.
13:03 Sam Fragoso? Was someone peeping at the script?
13:05 Speaker 01 I think, I think so. And then, but that kind of opened up a different thing for me, which is. I think secrets are very important. You know, art, you need three things. You need love and passion, passion slash rage and secrets.
13:22 Sam Fragoso? Wow. Love, passion slash rage and secrets.
13:28 Speaker 01 I also think too, like, you know, you ask the director questions. He gives you information, all the things. And then I think that, you know, you discuss things with whoever you're working with. And then I think you also just keep things for yourself because everybody has secrets.
13:43 Sam Fragoso? OK, so in the film, Justine is like this pariah in the community. Parents start accusing her of knowing where their children are, like as if she's part of the plan. On the side of your character's car, someone graffiti's the word witch. And that's how she's kind of made to feel in the community, like a witch. Now, during the actor's strike, when you went to clown school under a coach that I feel like I'm going to mess up his name, so I don't want to mess it up. Philippe Gullier?
14:12 Speaker 01 Gullier, yeah.
14:13 Sam Fragoso? Gullier, OK. Like Sacha Baron Cohen studied with him, a lot of people studied with him. Two questions. One, at the school, what did he cast you as?
14:25 Speaker 01 A witch.
14:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, because he's like, you look like a witch. And I was like, OK.
14:34 Sam Fragoso? And that is his accent.
14:35 Speaker 01 Yes.
14:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, it is. It is what happens in clown school stays in clown school.
14:41 Sam Fragoso? Well, I learned a lot about clown school last night.
14:43 Speaker 01 Was that the biggest research you were doing for this?
14:46 Sam Fragoso? That's actually all clown questions.
14:49 Speaker 01 I am technically a certified clown.
14:51 Sam Fragoso? I believe it. I can feel it right now.
14:52 Speaker 01 No, I have a certificate.
14:53 Sam Fragoso? That'd be great if you came to every interview bringing your certificate.
14:56 Speaker 01 And my clown notes?
14:57 Sam Fragoso? Your clown notes.
14:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:58 Sam Fragoso? What I want to ask you is what did you get from the trading? That you didn't know you needed. And feel free to deliver this in his accent.
15:07 Speaker 01 Yeah, I will, Sam. I think, no, I think.
15:14 Sam Fragoso? That's amazing.
15:15 Speaker 01 I just, I'm good.
15:18 Sam Fragoso? He has like a drum in class.
15:19 Speaker 01 He has a drum in class. He has this fake piece of shit. Sorry, can I curse here?
15:25 Sam Fragoso? Yes, you can.
15:26 Speaker 01 It's a complete cheat. It's just absolutely awful. Uh, no, but he's amazing.
15:33 Sam Fragoso? His main criticism of people is that they are boring.
15:36 Speaker 01 Well, I think he also talks about being an idiot.
15:38 Sam Fragoso? Yes.
15:39 Speaker 01 Which is really important.
15:40 Sam Fragoso? Here's a quote. He said, you have to find your idiot, your innocent, special, marvelous idiot. Which if he met me, he'd find that in about 30 seconds. But what does that mean?
15:51 Speaker 01 Well, Sam, um, I think it's funny that he said the word innocent because it goes back to what I was saying about the openness of a child. So I think that things stop when you start closing up.
16:07 Sam Fragoso? And when did you start, stop?
16:09 Speaker 01 Stop. When did I start closing up? Is what you're about to ask. This is like a therapy session.
16:14 Sam Fragoso? Yeah, you know the show.
16:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, I like it.
16:18 Sam Fragoso? Part of therapy, part clown.
16:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly. You know what? It's funny, like, there was a lot of changes that happened in my life. You know, after Ozark and my career and everything. And when something like that happens after, you know, getting attention like that, it affects your confidence in a way where it's either, I notice people either drink their like own cool way in a way, or they, all of a sudden, they feel like, why me? Like, I realized that winning and losing is kind of ultimately the same feeling.
16:51 Sam Fragoso? I heard you say that after you won your third Emmy, you never had less confidence in yourself.
16:58 Speaker 01 Yeah. And that's why I went to clown school. Because I realized I was closing up and I didn't know what was wrong. And then going there and failing in front of people and them having this expectation that I was gonna nail it.
17:13 Sam Fragoso? Right.
17:13 Speaker 01 In a way.
17:14 Sam Fragoso? Because you're Julia Garner from Ozark.
17:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly.
17:17 Sam Fragoso? Or Martha Marcy May Marley.
17:19 Speaker 01 Any of the projects.
17:20 Sam Fragoso? Or Not Fade Away.
17:21 Speaker 01 Or Not Fade Away, the list continues.
17:23 Sam Fragoso? The dream scene.
17:23 Speaker 01 Or, or Talk Easy.
17:25 Sam Fragoso? What character did you play in that dream scene in Not Fade Away?
17:29 Speaker 01 I played a clown.
17:32 Speaker 01 I guess people always are like, well, she's two things. She's either a witch or a clown. Do I have witch clown energy?
17:38 Sam Fragoso? Um, I can't answer that yet, but when I connected that the clown part of Not Fade Away to the clown school that you went to, to the witch of it all and weapons, I was like, I, I need to go back to therapy. I've gone too deep.
17:57 Speaker 01 You're like, I'm interviewing a clown witch.
18:00 Sam Fragoso? Yes.
18:00 Speaker 01 Yeah. This is my last interview.
18:03 Sam Fragoso? This is what my life has led to.
18:05 Speaker 01 Sorry. I'm so sorry.
18:08 Sam Fragoso? So at the school, you were on stage. You said he had a piece of.
18:12 Speaker 01 Fake poop. Yeah.
18:13 Sam Fragoso? In his hand.
18:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:15 Sam Fragoso? And so when you performed up there, did he like?
18:17 Speaker 01 Did he ever lift it up?
18:18 Sam Fragoso? Yeah.
18:19 Speaker 01 No.
18:19 Sam Fragoso? Okay.
18:20 Speaker 01 I mean, he's definitely said something was bad, but he did say it wasn't boring, though.
18:24 Sam Fragoso? Okay.
18:24 Speaker 01 Which is good. That's the worst thing you can be.
18:26 Sam Fragoso? All right, so he's in some way one of your influences now. I mean, having gone there for two weeks.
18:32 Speaker 01 I think what influenced me was realizing that it doesn't really matter because failure is so important. Cause if you don't fail, you're not gonna have a win and you're not gonna have success. And it's funny, I was like that my whole life and I think.
18:49 Sam Fragoso? Did, tell me about that.
18:50 Speaker 01 Well, I failed a lot in my life.
18:52 Sam Fragoso? Yeah, exactly. But, but I don't think people would think that, given that it started to work pretty quickly for you.
18:58 Speaker 01 Well, cause I always had like the, what's the worst mentality? Just because I was extremely sick as a child. I had very bad epilepsy and it was kind of like, I had a great day if, at the end of the day, if I didn't get a seizure.
19:14 Sam Fragoso? Would you get them in school?
19:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, on the bus.
19:16 Sam Fragoso? Oh, God. Wait, how on the bus?
19:18 Speaker 01 From the sunlight.
19:20 Sam Fragoso? When did you realize as a kid, like, oh, this is not happening to other kids?
19:24 Speaker 01 Very early on.
19:26 Sam Fragoso? And that felt what way to you?
19:28 Speaker 01 I mean, it was always a reminder, like, a lot of medications didn't work for me. So even when I would go to a birthday party, like, I couldn't eat the food. Cause certain foods trigger.
19:37 Sam Fragoso? Epilepsy?
19:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
19:38 Sam Fragoso? How long did this last for?
19:40 Speaker 01 When I was four, till I was. I think twelve thirteen was my last seizure.
19:46 Sam Fragoso? Okay.
19:46 Speaker 01 It's funny. It's like I had very bad reading problems also. I had a lot of issues. But it it's kind of funny. It kind of prepped me that a sense of lack of control. There's a lot of lack of control when you enter this business. You know, when you know that you cannot control your body, you kind of just you have to accept it.
20:07 Sam Fragoso? Everything.
20:07 Speaker 01 Everything and just let go. That's it. And then so that kind of prepped me for that. And then also with my learning problems, it I kind of just acted the whole time that I was smarter than I actually was. So.
20:22 Sam Fragoso? That's what you meant by I've been performing forever. Ah, so you grew up in Riverdale. Is that right? In the Bronx? You've compared your childhood to a Noah Baumbach film. Your mother was a therapist, your father, a painter and art teacher from Ohio. Baumbach wise, was your childhood more like Squid and the Whale or Marriage Story?
20:45 Speaker 01 Oh, neither. I mean, my parents are still together.
20:47 Sam Fragoso? I know.
20:48 Speaker 01 No, but it was just very New York.
20:50 Sam Fragoso? Very New York.
20:51 Speaker 01 I grew up with going to a lot of museums and theater. And, you know, my parents are extremely, extremely creative. They're the most creative people I know. If I have, if I want an interesting idea, I just go to my parents and my sister.
21:08 Sam Fragoso? I heard that one of your earliest performances was delivered with them. Anytime a telemarketer called.
21:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
21:17 Sam Fragoso? And you were sitting around the kitchen table.
21:19 Speaker 01 The whole, it was a family activity.
21:20 Sam Fragoso? Okay, so why don't you walk us through this?
21:22 Speaker 01 So every time like a telemarketer would call, we would pick it up and we would keep them on the phone and we would just troll them as a family. So my dad would have his voice and then my mom would come in with her voice. And then my sister would come in with her voice. And then I would do like a bird sound and then they're like, sorry, my my parents flying around. We can come back and it was like chaotic as a family.
21:48 Sam Fragoso? So they'd call, they'd be like, hello, is Tom Garner here?
21:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, and then we would prank call people I didn't really love and just when prank calling was a thing.
21:57 Sam Fragoso? Oh, like classmates?
21:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:00 Sam Fragoso? And your family would all get in on pranking your fellow classmates?
22:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's not good.
22:08 Speaker 01 Yes, this is, this is the childhood that I grew up in.
22:10 Sam Fragoso? By the way, can I say, can I say something?
22:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:12 Sam Fragoso? It makes total sense that you play an Anna Delvey though.
22:15 Speaker 01 Untrustworthy. I am playing untrustworthy characters. You're like, you are a clown witch, untrustworthy witch.
22:23 Sam Fragoso? Aren't you playing Sam Bateman Freese's girlfriend?
22:26 Speaker 01 Yeah. Well, those are interesting.
22:29 Sam Fragoso? I think they're amazing.
22:34 Speaker 01 Next question, next question.
22:38 Sam Fragoso? That's good. Your family was supportive of you. They, they thought, no bully is only your bully. They're all of ours. We're gonna take it on our, on our own hands.
22:45 Speaker 01 Exactly. And they were only kids that were mean. They weren't doing it to like.
22:49 Sam Fragoso? And, and why don't you name a couple of them?
22:51 Speaker 01 No, no. You know who you are.
22:53 Sam Fragoso? You, you do know. You still kind of know a little bit.
22:56 Speaker 01 Remember who they, of course. I don't forget.
22:58 Sam Fragoso? They lived there.
22:58 Speaker 01 What did you do as a family?
23:03 Speaker 01 What did you do?
23:06 Sam Fragoso? My childhood was definitely like a Noah Baumbach film. The divorce part especially. But we watched movies, as I think.
23:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, same.
23:14 Sam Fragoso? You guys did. The holy trinity for Julia Garner, as I understand it. Betty Davis in All About Eve, Sharon Stone in Casino, and Gina Rollins in A Woman Under the Influence.
23:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:29 Sam Fragoso? It's kind of an amazing holy trinity of dysfunction though.
23:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, because I think they changed the game for how writers write for women. I feel like I would not have the career that I've had of interesting characters like that, female characters, if those movies didn't happen and if they didn't do that with the part in a way. And I, I actually told that to Sharon Stone. I, my, I was at the Met Gala. This is so, I was at the Met Gala. No, but I, I was. And so I was walking and, and then I tripped on my dress. I was like, oh my God, this is so embarrassing. And I fell on someone's lap and I looked up.
24:09 Sam Fragoso? And it was Sharon Stone?
24:10 Speaker 01 And it was Sharon Stone. The light on, I was right on her legs. I was like, oh my God. And, and the light hit her face like perfectly. And she was like, hello, Julia Garner.
24:21 Sam Fragoso? This could be a scene in All About Eve.
24:23 Speaker 01 I was just like. I was like, hi, Sharon Stone. I was like, oh, my God. And then we ended up talking and she was telling me how much she loved Ozark and the assistant. And I told her, thank you. Because without, you know, her performance in Casino and her career and everything like, I would not have the career and get the parts that I've gotten without that performance. And then we ended up hanging out the whole night and told me a bunch of great stories. And I love her.
24:56 Sam Fragoso? It's kind of a perfect icebreaker.
24:58 Speaker 01 Mm.
24:58 Sam Fragoso? That you fell.
24:59 Speaker 01 In her lap. Yeah, quite literally.
25:02 Sam Fragoso? Yeah. What did she say when you said that? Because, you know, that movie is one of my favorites, but her career did not work out the way she wanted. And she's talked about it in her memoir. She talks about how she was passed over and discriminated against. There were all kinds of rampant blatant misogyny within the industry. And you would think after doing something that great, she would get to do all the things that she totally deserved to do. And so for you to say that, I wonder where that landed.
25:33 Speaker 01 Well, I don't think you ever get the credit when you're a trendsetter. And I think that's what she is, or she's pre even trendsetter. I mean, you know, there's certain people that do things first. And I think when you do things first, you don't always, you don't always get the credit. But you're always going to be that person and everybody knows it and they can't compete with that.
25:53 Sam Fragoso? I bet it was nice also for you to say that. I mean, I'm sure she knows it, but probably not told it enough.
26:00 Speaker 01 No, and, and I think there are certain performances that they do change the game for actors in a way. And people want to see people be a mess. And I think when you can be messy and unapologetic on screen, there's a sense of authority and that's extremely attractive.
26:24 Sam Fragoso? Those three performances, I was thinking how like when you were a kid and you had epilepsy till you were a teenager, dyslexic, you had this quote where you said that, "Once I started performing, I could say everything that I couldn't say in my life."
26:41 Speaker 01 Hmm.
26:42 Sam Fragoso? And I wonder now, like now that you're early 30s, or you just turned 30?
26:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, or 31.
26:48 Sam Fragoso? What did you want to say that you couldn't then, but can now?
26:52 Speaker 01 I don't know, because I don't, like, I was really shy as a kid and I, and this business forced me to not be shy. And I'm not super comfortable getting asked a lot of questions. I like asking questions. And so I always felt like I had a lot to say. I had a lot of feelings and a lot of thoughts in here and I would never express it, or I couldn't feel like I could express it. So I felt like any sort of opportunity that I could say other people's words, but express my feelings, just depending on what the scene was even. It felt like I was expressing something that was like my voice in a weird
27:36 Speaker 01 way, even though it's somebody else's words.
27:38 Sam Fragoso? Do you remember an early performance where you got to do that?
27:42 Speaker 01 I took a scene study class. I was the youngest one there. They made an exception. I was 14. There was like all these, you know, older teenagers. And I remember the first time feeling like I got lost in the moment. And I also remember feeling like I expressed everything that I wanted and needed to express. My whole life, that is something I still struggle with. I, you know, sometimes feel completely misunderstood. And the only time that I don't is when I'm acting.
28:15 Sam Fragoso? After the break, more from Julia Garner.
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31:12 Sam Fragoso? Coming back. Laura Linney, who's a fantastic actor in her own right and someone you worked with on Ozarks, says Julia throws herself into the work with an abandon. She doesn't even remember what she's done after they yell "cut." You can see her face morph in a way that you cannot do if you're self-conscious. She sticks her finger right into the socket.
31:38 Speaker 01 That's very nice that she said that, and that means a lot because she's brilliant.
31:42 Sam Fragoso? Kitty Green, when I asked her this morning, she said the same thing.
31:47 Speaker 01 I'm gonna cry because I love both of those women so much.
31:52 Speaker 01 You know, I'm always constantly trying to chase a flow state, and that's really hard. And because there's a lot of distractions going on on set. And I also like to, I prepare, I prepare, but then I get to the point where I, I throw everything away and then I want to surprise myself. If I can surprise myself, I feel like that is like a successful day.
32:18 Sam Fragoso? What was the first film in which, or show, we felt like, oh, I surprised myself on that?
32:24 Speaker 01 I think the first one was probably Ozark because I remember doing season one. And before that, what I would always get cast is kind of like the quiet frail girl who leaves a cult or gets pregnant or is maybe a mute or I don't know, like just like that kind of part. And then Ozark was more, I had to be this aggressive wounded dog and like, you know, animal.
32:52 Sam Fragoso? One journalist called you the go to cult girl. You played cult members, a pregnant Mormon girl, cannibals, a girl who was in love with a KGB secret agent who wore weird glasses. And he said, even the time I play a teenager in Grandma, she's pregnant.
33:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, I always got the freaks. Hollywood didn't want to cast me as the love interest, which is totally fine.
33:20 Sam Fragoso? Did that bother you?
33:22 Speaker 01 When I was younger, it did because I felt like, oh, my God, I'm like, am I just like so like weird looking that I have to like get these kind of roles? But then it didn't because the prepping for that was so much fun and just so interesting. And it was harder. So it trained me.
33:42 Sam Fragoso? Did you feel like you were weird looking?
33:44 Speaker 01 Oh, my God, yeah. Oh, my God. I mean, when I first came to LA, I was probably 17 and like the amount of producers and just people were like, oh, my God, she needs to straighten her hair or she needs to get veneers. And so it was like always this thing. And I remember very early on that I knew I wasn't going to get my break here. And if I were to get a break, it would probably be in New York and Ozark, the casting was out of New York.
34:14 Sam Fragoso? When things started to change and turned for you, what was it like to field calls from the exact same people who said just years prior that you should change everything about yourself?
34:27 Speaker 01 Nice. That my instinct was right.
34:31 Speaker 01 I notice a lot of times when I don't listen to my instincts. Now I always listen to my instinct because it's usually right. Cause I'm a witch, no kidding.
34:39 Sam Fragoso? I think a little.
34:40 Speaker 01 Do you think so?
34:41 Sam Fragoso? Mm hmm.
34:42 Speaker 01 No, well. But yeah, just that whole thing of very early on, I learned that. Very important in this business to say no. And I'm not going to change who I am.
34:53 Sam Fragoso? It's hard because uh it's already such a pain in the ass to get through your twenties.
35:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:02 Sam Fragoso? And then to put that through the vessel of this industry. Even the way you diary. It feels like there's more time spent on the character that you're diarying for. Then for you, the person that has to play the character.
35:20 Speaker 01 I sound like I'm having an identity crisis.
35:24 Speaker 01 But I mean, in order to be a good artist, you have to make sure that you have experiences and you have a life, like you're a real person. Cause I'm not, I'm a person first and I'm an actor second.
35:40 Sam Fragoso? I don't think that's easy. If you don't come from money, you don't come from it. I think it is hard to not put the thing that is your livelihood first.
35:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, everything has a price anyway. If you love something or passionate about something, it comes with a cost. You're putting yourself out there. And again, the openness.
36:04 Sam Fragoso? Yeah.
36:05 Speaker 01 You know, setting yourself up for joy and hurt.
36:08 Sam Fragoso? We're doing a new thing because we've asked a lot of tough, emotionally charged questions. This is called the Talk Easy Interlude. Okay, growing up in New York City, I heard you have a severe aversion to rats of any kind. How far did you make it into the film Ratatouille?
36:23 Speaker 01 I didn't finish it. So like probably like 30 minutes.
36:28 Sam Fragoso? Okay.
36:28 Speaker 01 I, I know it's one of the greatest films of all time. I get it. It's just the idea of a rat on the top of someone's head, like pulling the hair. The guy's having an identity crisis, imposter syndrome. I mean, it's the whole thing is literally my worst nightmare. It's just awful.
36:42 Sam Fragoso? In preparation for playing Anna Delvey, you went up to Buffalo to visit her in prison. When you met her for that first time. What did you wear? Was it designer?
36:55 Speaker 01 I don't remember what I wore.
36:56 Sam Fragoso? Because she cares a lot about
36:58 Speaker 01 Yes.
36:58 Sam Fragoso? those things.
36:59 Speaker 01 Yes. I probably, because it was so cold, I probably wore my uniform in the winter, which is just a black turtleneck and jeans.
37:08 Sam Fragoso? Can you walk me through the steps to perfecting her accent? There's like three different things going on, right?
37:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was very stressful because I just finished Ozark and I had three weeks at the most until I started shooting Delve. So first I had to learn a German accent, which was crazy. So, yeah, but that wasn't, you know, that was bad. But my grandmother was German, so I
37:34 Sam Fragoso? Did you ever do your grandmother's German accent when the telemarketers called?
37:38 Speaker 01 My mother did. My mother did my grandma's German accent.
37:41 Sam Fragoso? Did she really?
37:42 Speaker 01 Yeah. And she's like, sorry, my parrot is flying all over the place. This is very bad German accent, so, but it's getting a little better.
37:51 Sam Fragoso? It's getting better and better.
37:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, better.
37:53 Sam Fragoso? The longer you do it, the better you'll get at it.
37:54 Speaker 01 And then you have Russian coming in.
37:58 Sam Fragoso? Okay.
37:58 Speaker 01 A little bit like down here. I don't know what that is.
38:01 Sam Fragoso? Yeah, but can you do that? What did you have for breakfast today, Anna?
38:05 Speaker 01 I don't know. I don't eat breakfast. I have coffee, cigarette, you know. I don't, you ask too many questions.
38:15 Speaker 01 And then
38:16 Sam Fragoso? See, by the way, can I tell you, listener?
38:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
38:19 Sam Fragoso? She said that the characters get to say things that Julia cannot. And there you go.
38:24 Speaker 01 There you go.
38:25 Sam Fragoso? You asked too many questions.
38:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly. That wasn't me. That was the Russian person that I was doing. The bad Russian accent that I was doing.
38:33 Sam Fragoso? It wasn't you at all.
38:34 Speaker 01 And then
38:35 Sam Fragoso? The third part?
38:35 Speaker 01 And then the third part is, you know, you have to make sure that when you do this, any sort of European, they probably learned English in the British way. So it has a little bit of hint of a British accent. And then she wants to sound like an American girl, like whatever.
38:53 Speaker 05 What the fuck? Why are you sulking like a little baby?
38:55 Speaker 06 So you are Russian?
38:57 Speaker 05 I was born there. Who cares?
38:59 Speaker 06 Who the fuck are you?
39:02 Speaker 05 We really don't have time for this.
39:05 Speaker 06 What else are you lying about? Who the fuck are you?
39:07 Speaker 05 I do not have time for this. I do not have time for you.
39:14 Sam Fragoso? So you don't remember what you were wearing, but she definitely was thinking about what you were wearing when you met her.
39:20 Speaker 01 Probably.
39:22 Sam Fragoso? I've been told that you are a big believer in astrology.
39:25 Speaker 01 Well, no, I grew up because my mother got my chart done like a few days after I was born. She's big in astrology.
39:31 Sam Fragoso? Can you tell me what it means to have a sun in Aquarius, a moon in Libra, and Sagittarius rising? Because those are all terms I learned this morning.
39:41 Speaker 01 Okay, so it's so funny how things make it on the internet.
39:45 Sam Fragoso? This is also, you know, we're here to get things right. If it's not important to you.
39:49 Speaker 01 So Aquarius is are very weird.
39:53 Sam Fragoso? And she continues.
39:54 Speaker 01 And, no, but they're introverts, but they're, they sometimes, they're like, what are they saying? And then all of a sudden, it makes like, perfect sense.
40:03 Sam Fragoso? I think I understand it now.
40:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah. And then, but they think, they think outside the box. And you're always gonna get, you know, interesting, and they're a little stubborn sometimes.
40:13 Sam Fragoso? And you feel that's pretty?
40:15 Speaker 01 It's pretty accurate. I can feel like people sometimes listen to me and they are hearing
40:22 Speaker 01 a little bit.
40:22 Sam Fragoso? Do you think I've been doing that?
40:23 Speaker 01 No, you actually haven't. When's your birthday?
40:26 Sam Fragoso? September 9th.
40:27 Speaker 01 Oh, so you're Virgo. Are you very organized?
40:30 Sam Fragoso? Listener, she showed up before me today at the taping, so that may answer your question. In Ozark, how many takes did you get to yell, "If you want to stop me, you're gonna have to fucking kill me"?
40:41 Speaker 01 I completely disassociated that day. I really did. It was one of the most traumatizing days ever on set. I mean, by the way, it was a great day. It wasn't anybody else, but it was just, um, I was in a very, uh, interesting place in my life. You know, I was in a lot of pain at that time.
41:00 Sam Fragoso? Is that a breakup?
41:01 Speaker 01 No, no, no, just, just stuff in my life.
41:04 Sam Fragoso? You ask too many questions.
41:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, too many questions. We remember, we like secrets a little bit, Sam.
41:12 Sam Fragoso? I don't know what voice I'm doing.
41:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, I like this voice.
41:14 Sam Fragoso? It's some kind of Russian thing, I don't know. So you were going through a lot.
41:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I just, it was kind of one of those things. It was a really intense, intense, intense day.
41:26 Speaker 07 Okay, look, that man, that man works for the FBI and he runs a drug cartel. So even if he is responsible, he's not.
41:37 Speaker 07 Do not hurt this man.
41:39 Speaker 05 Or what, your whole fucking family will be murdered, huh? If you want to stop me, you're gonna have to fucking kill me.
41:51 Sam Fragoso? Can we bring this back to like these new films and the work post Ozarks? I guess I'm also thinking about The Assistant a lot. How are you able to separate or divide the, I'm having a hard time in my life in this moment? As you were on the, you're gonna have to fucking kill me day of Ozarks.
42:09 Speaker 01 It's very hard. I feel more, when I'm working, I feel more like the character inside than myself. But I am presenting, like, again, third person, I hate talking about it, but it's Julia. Like, I don't, I feel more like the character, though.
42:27 Sam Fragoso? Have you ever read the author Jennifer Egan? She has a book called, uh, Visit from the Goon Squad. And we had her on a couple of years ago and she has a brother who's schizophrenic. And he read her work and he said, it's unbelievable, Jen. And she says, what? She said, I read your book and, uh, when you talk in the voices of other people, you win a Pulitzer Prize. When I have other people talking through me, I'm in an institution.
42:59 Speaker 01 Wow.
43:00 Sam Fragoso? And that, I'd like stayed with me.
43:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:02 Sam Fragoso? In making art, like this thing that we're talking about and making jokes about while I do my bad accent work, to actually channel that and to also be able to hold on to yourself at the end of it. There's not a given.
43:18 Speaker 01 It's confusing.
43:19 Sam Fragoso? Yeah, confusing.
43:21 Speaker 01 And it is really hard. And it's also hard because, especially when you're on set, you want to make sure to keep the energy going. It's positive. So there's that sense of responsibility too. You don't want to, just because you're down, you don't want to ever drag other people down because people need to do their job.
43:41 Sam Fragoso? I guess like on the other side of that, when you did win the Emmys and all that and you said like, oh, the reason I went to clown school is because I felt.
43:52 Speaker 01 I think what I realized once I got off the stage is that you go out there for 30 seconds, if you're lucky, because they cut it very short. And then you get off the stage and then the next day it's just your life. You know, so it's not about the result. It is really about the process. That's what I live for. I live for the process.
44:13 Sam Fragoso? Ah, and the confidence that was shaken. Have you rediscovered that?
44:20 Speaker 01 Well, what is confidence?
44:22 Sam Fragoso? I don't know, but it's but.
44:23 Speaker 01 What is confidence?
44:24 Sam Fragoso? I think that depends.
44:24 Speaker 01 Because it depends, because I can't say if you were to ask me, do you know yourself? I would say absolutely. Do I know my limitations? Absolutely. And that to me is very confident in one sense.
44:39 Sam Fragoso? Very confident.
44:40 Speaker 01 But in the other sense, it's like other superficial things that people, I don't know, like, what do you think confidence is? Because I'm trying to figure that out. I don't even know what it is.
44:52 Sam Fragoso? I think it's your capacity and willingness to fall short, as I have a few times in this episode.
44:59 Speaker 01 Are you confident?
45:01 Sam Fragoso? I feel confident in the research and the writing I do. And then we're in a room and, you know, I have a lot of stuff going on. You have stuff going on and shit happens.
45:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
45:13 Sam Fragoso? And it's imperfect.
45:15 Speaker 01 But isn't that perfect, though?
45:17 Sam Fragoso? Yeah, especially with editing.
45:18 Speaker 01 No, but I love imperfections. I love imperfections.
45:22 Sam Fragoso? I know, you just gave me the punchline, so I had to. Yeah.
45:25 Speaker 01 That's what makes people interesting.
45:26 Sam Fragoso? What's confident to you? What were you trying to work out at the school? And now you're back from it. You've done these two movies. You're moving forward. You're saying you're trying to figure it out for yourself. What does that look like? What do you want to figure out?
45:41 Speaker 01 Well, it changes with age. You know, with the KLAN school, I realized it's just always stay open. Especially as an artist, you always have to stay open and magical things happen when you stay open. I think now for me, it's just the thing that I'm focusing on is just who I'm spending my time with. Whether it's who I'm creating with, friends, family, who I'm just spending my time with. I think time is the biggest luxury.
46:10 Sam Fragoso? I was thinking that growing up in the Bronx, Noah Baumbach-like childhood. On the back of your door in your childhood bedroom, there was a mirror.
46:21 Speaker 01 I still have it. I still have the door.
46:23 Sam Fragoso? You still have the door?
46:24 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
46:25 Sam Fragoso? And what did you put on that door?
46:28 Speaker 01 Things that inspired me. It was like an inspiration door, and I wasn't even aware of it.
46:31 Sam Fragoso? What was on there?
46:34 Speaker 01 Well, there was Elizabeth Taylor and Paul Newman from Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. Betty Davis. And it was actually from those, remember when stamps used to always have like every month, they would have like a new special stamp? So I would, it would come with like a giant sticker.
46:52 Sam Fragoso? Oh, yeah, okay.
46:53 Speaker 01 So I would cut it and then I would always collect those things. And then I had Kate Winslet from like a long com. I had all these, I had all these people that I just like loved, these women that I love. And then I had this like Daft Punk sticker, because my sister went to the Pyramid Tour and she got me like a sticker. She was cooler and older than me. So, yeah.
47:17 Sam Fragoso? Is it weird to think that there are some young performers right now that may have a sticker of you on their mood inspiration board and wannabe actors?
47:26 Speaker 01 I've never thought of that. It is emotional. That's why I'm silent. It's overwhelming in a way.
47:38 Speaker 01 And it's also really nice that everybody, in a way, is kind of the same. Everybody starts out the same.
47:45 Sam Fragoso? What do you mean?
47:46 Speaker 01 That like, things in life, it's simple. You are inspired to be something or someone. And you work, again, the process and then you maybe get there or you maybe you don't. Or just people, we kind of, yeah, we're the same in certain ways.
48:03 Sam Fragoso? You said recently, I have to constantly make myself feel uncomfortable. And that's gonna make me feel comfortable as an artist. I feel if I have any sort of comfort, then something's deeply wrong.
48:15 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
48:16 Sam Fragoso? Is that still the goal, this kind of discomfort? I mean, what do you think comes from that?
48:23 Speaker 01 I don't wanna know everything. I wanna learn. I always wanna learn something new. I don't wanna feel like I know everything or I kind of am doing the same tricks. I think it comes from that and also just constantly feeling like I'm, I'm growing in some way. And not changing, but growing and learning.
48:43 Sam Fragoso? Do you feel like you are?
48:44 Speaker 01 I try. That's why I always look for things that make me uncomfortable, I guess. I don't know.
48:50 Sam Fragoso? Hopefully, this podcast hasn't made you feel that uncomfortable.
48:53 Speaker 01 Not at all. Like, I've been very comfortable, truly.
48:56 Sam Fragoso? Laura Linney says, you get lost in that character. Kitty Green, you worked with on two movies, says the same thing. I think Jason Bateman had a variation on this, that you kind of dissolve into the person. As a kid, and we talked about it, the characters said everything that you couldn't. At thirty one, is that still true?
49:24 Speaker 01 Mm hmm. Absolutely. I think that all the things that you feel as a kid or the struggles, they follow you for a lifetime. So, yeah, absolutely. But then they become a superpower. You can, I'll end it here, you can change the narrative in your own life. When you're a kid, your world is so small.
49:45 Sam Fragoso? Yeah.
49:45 Speaker 01 And in simple in certain ways, you don't know how it's your life is gonna be. And I still don't know how my life is gonna be in a way, which is also exciting. And I love that.
49:55 Sam Fragoso? Yeah, I did too. Thank you so much for doing this.
49:58 Speaker 01 Thank you for having me. This has been like such a, again, I'm such a fan and I was, I was a little nervous. But then you were so cool and I was like, ah, he's a buddy. He's good.
50:07 Sam Fragoso? Was it all right?
50:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was great.
50:09 Sam Fragoso? Okay.
50:09 Speaker 01 Was it all right for you?
50:10 Sam Fragoso? Yeah, it was very all right.
50:11 Speaker 01 Because you have very smart guests.
50:13 Sam Fragoso? That includes you. Julia Garner, thank you so much.
50:17 Speaker 01 Thank you so much for having me.
50:18 Sam Fragoso? See you next time.
50:19 Speaker 01 Thank you. See you next time. We did it. Because I'm so sorry, I'm such a whack-a-doodle interview.
50:51 Sam Fragoso? And that's our show. If you enjoyed today's episode with actor Julia Garner, and I hope you did because we all needed a fun one after last week. Be sure to leave us five stars on Spotify, Apple, or wherever you like to listen. If you want to really help us out, share the program on social media. Pagus at Talk Easy Pod. All of this really does ensure that we can continue making Talk Easy each and every Sunday. I want to give a special thanks to Christine Trupickio and the team at Shelter PR, Melanie Klein at Warner Brothers, the Rita House in Los Angeles, California, director Kitty Green, and of course, our guest today, Julia Garner.
51:35 Sam Fragoso? Her new films Weapons and The Fantastic Four are now playing in theaters across the country. To learn more about her and her work, visit our show notes at talkeasypod.com. For more episodes with other great actors, I'd recommend, of course, Josh Brolin, Cate Blanchett, and Viola Davis. To hear those and more Lemonada podcasts, listen on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you listen. You can also subscribe to Lemonada Premium for exclusive bonus content. It also comes with ad-free listening. Just hit the subscribe button on Apple or head to lemonadapremium.com. Talk Easy is produced by Caroline Reebok. Our executive producer, Janik Zabrava.
52:19 Sam Fragoso? Today's talk was edited by Adam Jamal and Nick Zahn. It was mixed by Andrew Vastola. Our music is by Dylan Peck. Our illustrations are by Krisha Shanoy. Research assistance today comes from Kiki Giorgio. This episode was made in partnership with the good people at Lemonada Media, and I'm Sam Fragoso. So, thank you for listening to Talk Easy. I'll see you back here next Sunday with a brand new episode. Until then, stay safe, and so long.
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