Pod Insights Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware Saoirse Ronan About this episode We have Irish acting royalty joining us this week - and my new best friend - the fabulous Saoirse Ronan! We managed to grab lunch with Saoirse in the midst of promo for 2 incredible film projects, Steve McQueen’s Blitz & her very own The Outrun. Fresh from her viral appearance on Graham Norton, Saoirse told us all about growing up between NYC and Ireland, her iconic mum Monica, her love of Vegemite & Barry’s Tea, how she met her husband, being on film sets from a very young age and all about the joint love her family have for John Travolta. Plus, mum surprises us all this week with an epic version of the story of Skimbleshanks, who knew she was hiding that talent?! And who needs her on a new audiobook reading?? We absolutely adored having Saoirse join us, you really won’t want to miss either of the films she is currently starring in - The Outrun is available to buy & rent now, and Blitz will be released on Apple TV+ on 22nd November. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.
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2:06 Speaker 05 Hello and welcome to Table manners. I'm Jessie Ware and we're here in Clapham with my mum Lenny. Hello Lenny.
2:11 Speaker 06 Hi, Donny.
2:12 Speaker 05 Oh, it's a good one today. We have the fantastic Saoirse Ronan on. Now, we're not sure whether that's actually how we pronounce her name.
2:21 Speaker 06 It is Saoirse. I have been calling her Saucy Ronan for a long time.
2:26 Speaker 05 Okay, right.
2:28 Speaker 05 Saucy Ronan. Okay, we have Saoirse Ronan on.
2:31 Speaker 06 Yeah.
2:32 Speaker 05 Who, we're recording this a few days after she basically went viral with a clip from Graham Norton, which was incredibly profound and quite brilliant. And I'm not sure whether she's gonna wanna talk about it. I'm sure she's sick of it and it's only like day three. But Saoirse is coming on to talk about Stephen Queen's new film that she stars in called Blitz.
2:54 Speaker 06 And we've seen it.
2:55 Speaker 05 And it's really beautiful.
2:57 Speaker 06 Fabulous.
2:58 Speaker 05 It also has some old friends from the podcast. Did you see Haley Squares in there?
3:02 Speaker 06 Haley Squares is there.
3:03 Speaker 05 Being fabulous, making bombs.
3:05 Speaker 06 Yeah.
3:06 Speaker 05 But I mean, the cast is unbelievable. Saoirse plays a single mother from Stepney Green who has a beautiful young... What are you going to do?
3:15 Speaker 06 His dad's Paul Weller. That was a surprise.
3:17 Speaker 05 Oh yeah, Saoirse's dad's Paul Weller in it and he's really good at acting.
3:20 Speaker 06 He's really good. Did you know he acted?
3:22 Speaker 05 No.
3:23 Speaker 06 But her accent.
3:24 Speaker 05 Oh, she's so good.
3:25 Speaker 06 She's not Irish in that, is she?
3:27 Speaker 05 She's like Stepney and she was amazing.
3:30 Speaker 06 Where's my bleeding son?
3:32 Speaker 05 She was wonderful, but everything she's in is wonderful. Lady Bird, Little Women, Atonement.
3:38 Speaker 06 Mary's Queen of Scots.
3:39 Speaker 05 And, you know.
3:40 Speaker 06 Where she met her beautiful husband.
3:43 Speaker 05 Oh my God, Mum, you need, okay, you need to, when she comes on, you need to just get it out of the way that you love Jack Loudon.
3:48 Speaker 06 I wonder what accent they speak to each other in? Because he's Scottish.
3:52 Speaker 05 Well, probably Scottish and Irish.
3:54 Speaker 06 Scottish and Irish.
3:55 Speaker 05 We're so excited about this podcast. We're clutching our coffees because we did get back quite late last night from a half turn. Escapade, which of course we were together on because we're never not together. And can I just say that the hotel that we were in is absolutely our demographic. So I'd like to say hello to everyone that was in Tenerife with us who's listening. Because I tell you, when we walked down the stairs, which mum was complaining about because she said it was too big.
4:23 Speaker 06 They said, oh, you're the lady.
4:24 Speaker 05 She went, now I know that voice.
4:27 Speaker 06 And that was. Someone stopped me in Tenerife Airport and I wasn't even talking. She said, you're the lady from the podcast.
4:33 Speaker 05 Well.
4:34 Speaker 06 I live in France. I listen to it all the time.
4:36 Speaker 05 Maybe we should talk about the fact that you probably were recognised on the easy jet flight back when you were complaining that the curry was going to take an hour.
4:43 Speaker 06 Oh.
4:43 Speaker 05 So you need to hold it down, Lenny.
4:45 Speaker 06 She wouldn't move her bloody sandwiches.
4:47 Speaker 05 Mum, you are becoming, you are out divering the biggest diva.
4:51 Speaker 06 No, I'm actually becoming, I think, like the nan.
4:54 Speaker 05 Catherine Tate?
4:55 Speaker 06 Yeah.
4:55 Speaker 05 No, you're there. You're there.
4:57 Speaker 06 I think I've got there already.
4:58 Speaker 05 You're surpassing her.
4:59 Speaker 06 Yeah.
5:00 Speaker 05 Um, what have you made?
5:02 Speaker 06 Oh gosh, well, I've been on the New York time. While we were away on holiday, I was a bit panicked because we only got back. I actually closed my eyes about two o'clock this morning and the Ocado man was here at eight. So ordered it. So I've made chicken with apple and fennel because it was a bit autumnal.
5:20 Speaker 05 Yeah.
5:20 Speaker 06 I've done greens with white beans, which taste and smell lovely. I've done Parmesan crusted potatoes.
5:30 Speaker 05 They smell really good.
5:31 Speaker 06 Which also smell garlic. I hope she doesn't mind garlic.
5:34 Speaker 05 She's got to do a whole bit of.
5:36 Speaker 06 I'm going to have to give a peppermint sauce to this. There's a lot of garlic. And then I've just got some plain green beans to go with it. But there's also, we're following a tip of one of your, of Mira Sodha.
5:50 Speaker 05 Well, no, okay. So this is, right. So we have a wonderful episode coming up with the brilliant chef, Mira Sodha. And she recommended a certain dessert to do, which is relaxed and.
6:04 Speaker 05 Wonderful and delicious. And so we've kind of done a cheat for the dessert. Because we got back so late.
6:10 Speaker 06 Yeah, it's Hackney Gelato.
6:12 Speaker 05 Which is some of the best ice cream.
6:14 Speaker 06 Pistachio and lemon and I don't know.
6:17 Speaker 05 Pistachio and lemon.
6:18 Speaker 06 Yeah, some of that. I've got some little biscuits to put in if she wants.
6:22 Speaker 05 So Mira's episode is wonderful, by the way, and she recommends.
6:26 Speaker 06 She puts pistachios on the top of the pistachio ice cream.
6:30 Speaker 05 And she just says it's like, just makes it. And I guess you could put edible flowers. Did she get the edible flowers?
6:35 Speaker 06 Pissed off, okay.
6:37 Speaker 05 Sear Sharona coming up on Table manners.
6:55 Speaker 06 First of all, we've got a lot in common because, besides being Irish, obviously.
7:00 Speaker 05 Obviously.
7:00 Speaker 06 And having that lovely maroon passport with a harp on. Oh, are you jealous?
7:04 Speaker 05 Yeah, very. So jealous. We were in the airport last night and, and she went through and she went, feels good.
7:11 Speaker 06 You just, I, I want to feel bad for you, but I feel so smug when I'm leaving Jack. And I'm like, I'll see you in 40 minutes. I'll have both the bags. Yeah, I know. It's so exciting. So I listened to you on Graham Norton. Oh. And I heard that your mum has seen Saturday Night Fever 27 times. I think I've done maybe 27 or 28 in the cinema. I've never met someone else who's done it. Because I loved it so much. And I loved John Simon. I just loved John Travolta so much. She loves him so much. And genuinely, that wasn't just like an anecdote that I came up with. She was so excited to be there. He's the only person she wanted to see.
7:54 Speaker 06 George Clooney was like an afterthought. George Clooney being on her dress, she was like, you're keeping me from John. I need to get to John.
8:00 Speaker 05 How was John's face at that point?
8:04 Speaker 06 It was fine.
8:05 Speaker 05 Had work?
8:06 Speaker 06 Yeah.
8:06 Speaker 05 Okay, yeah.
8:07 Speaker 06 Um, yeah, I mean, I think that, but he's still John. But it was like, I think from like Pulp Fiction John onwards, it's not the same John that I grew up.
8:16 Speaker 03 Because like I was obsessed with Grease.
8:18 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
8:18 Speaker 06 Oh, everyone was, yeah.
8:19 Speaker 03 I and I used to.
8:21 Speaker 06 Was it your soundtrack on holiday, going on holiday?
8:23 Speaker 03 It kind of always is my soundtrack. And actually, when we did Mary Queen of Scots years ago, which is where Jack and I met.
8:30 Speaker 06 That's the other thing I love.
8:31 Speaker 05 Okay, we'll get on to that.
8:32 Speaker 03 We, Grease suddenly became our soundtrack. I don't know why, but we used to.
8:37 Speaker 06 To you and Jack?
8:38 Speaker 03 No, no, no, not to me and Jack, to me and the girls.
8:40 Speaker 05 Oh, I was gonna think of you and Jack during Summer Loving.
8:44 Speaker 03 No, no, me and the girls did it. So like, so Mary Queen of Scots historically had these four handmaids who were also called Mary. And they're famously, literally, and they're famously known as the Four Marys. And we're all still very, very close. We're really good friends. And Grease, I don't know how, but someone just played it one day. And so we would do these epic performances, like weekly, I would say. Um, so, yeah, so I love Grease. But I used to watch it every night.
9:12 Speaker 06 Get involved?
9:13 Speaker 03 No, he wasn't really. We kept that very separate.
9:16 Speaker 05 But is this how you met? You met on that?
9:19 Speaker 06 They met on the set?
9:20 Speaker 03 We had met, we had actually met years before, just because we have a lot of friends in common.
9:24 Speaker 05 But did you fall in love on set?
9:26 Speaker 03 Yes.
9:27 Speaker 05 So was that part?
9:28 Speaker 03 We didn't fall in love on set, but it was, yeah, it was around, it was around.
9:32 Speaker 06 I mean, he is utterly gorgeous.
9:34 Speaker 03 He's gorgeous.
9:35 Speaker 06 He is gorgeous.
9:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:36 Speaker 06 He is.
9:37 Speaker 05 No, but now I'm just having this imagination of him going, nah, tell me. And you're just there being like, oh, my God, I love you.
9:47 Speaker 03 It's him. No, I think if he had done that, it probably wouldn't have gone.
9:50 Speaker 06 Not in fancy, no.
9:52 Speaker 03 The way it's gone. No, it was me and it was all my girls and we had like the biggest romance. Because I had one of my best friends, Eileen O'Higgins, who I'd met on Brooklyn a few years before that, who played my best friend Nancy.
10:05 Speaker 06 Are you playing in the sequel? I've just finished Long Island.
10:08 Speaker 03 I hopes, I hope so. I don't, I don't know. I don't know.
10:12 Speaker 05 But hold on, is it the same story? Well, then, of course you're bloody doing it.
10:16 Speaker 03 I mean, I would be raging if they got someone else to do it.
10:18 Speaker 06 I would be raging.
10:19 Speaker 03 Unless it was like Jessie Buckley. If it wasn't Jessie Buckley, I'd be absolutely raging.
10:23 Speaker 06 Have you read the new one, Long Island?
10:25 Speaker 03 I got an early copy.
10:26 Speaker 06 Open at the end as well.
10:28 Speaker 05 Stop, enough, don't spoil it, stop.
10:30 Speaker 06 I won't say too much.
10:31 Speaker 03 But I, but I will say, without giving anything away, it is giving the audience. Of Brooklyn, what they wanted the first time round.
10:38 Speaker 05 Um, I'm good, uh, Sia is is stroking Prince the cat. You have a dog called Stella.
10:44 Speaker 03 I do, yeah.
10:44 Speaker 05 Tell me about your dog.
10:45 Speaker 06 Dog, yeah.
10:46 Speaker 03 So Stella is a petit basic Griffon von Dion.
10:51 Speaker 05 Sorry.
10:51 Speaker 06 A what?
10:52 Speaker 05 Jesus.
10:54 Speaker 03 It's a French brand.
10:56 Speaker 05 How did you come across this dog?
10:59 Speaker 03 Because, um, I think it was about a year before lockdown, when the world was still as it was before. Crufts was on and I watch Crufts every single year and a petit pass at PBGV is what they're.
11:11 Speaker 05 A PBGV?
11:12 Speaker 03 PBGV won Crufts and I saw the dog and I was like, that's the dog I want. I want a winner. And I want a dog that has long, sort of scruffy ears, because that was sort of Jack's criteria. He needed a dog that had. Ears that he.
11:27 Speaker 05 Okay, show me the ears. Come on, show me the dog.
11:29 Speaker 03 She's so lovely. And she's so long and blonde and we're so long and blonde. Um.
11:36 Speaker 05 So she's definitely your dog?
11:38 Speaker 03 Oh, she's definitely our dog. This is Stella. Stella's Stella's the blonde.
11:43 Speaker 05 A PBGV, was it?
11:45 Speaker 03 PBGV, yeah.
11:46 Speaker 06 Let me see, darling. Let me see.
11:48 Speaker 03 And she looks really sad, but she's not. She's very.
11:51 Speaker 05 Inside she's dancing, yeah.
11:53 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:53 Speaker 05 Oh my god, she is.
11:54 Speaker 06 She's gorgeous.
11:55 Speaker 03 She's gorgeous and she's got lovely nature.
11:57 Speaker 06 Backwards and forwards to LA?
11:59 Speaker 03 No, she she doesn't. It's too far for her to go. And also, I'm not there enough. I'll be there for like a week or two at a time.
12:05 Speaker 06 Do what? So is your home permanently London?
12:09 Speaker 03 Yes, it kind of as permanently as one can live in London if you're not actually from London. So like, you know, I'm Irish, as you know. Jack's Scottish, so we have our bases there.
12:21 Speaker 06 Yeah.
12:21 Speaker 03 Um, but we're mainly in London.
12:23 Speaker 06 Where does your mum live still?
12:25 Speaker 03 She lives in Dublin. Yeah.
12:27 Speaker 05 Let's talk about your mum and home and home and and food memories from your childhood.
12:34 Speaker 03 Okay.
12:35 Speaker 05 A big food memory from your childhood and who was who was round the dinner table with you?
12:39 Speaker 03 Who was round the dinner table? So, uh, we used to, our mum used to take care of my best friend Christopher. Who is the son of my dad's best friend, Chris. And they had grown up together from the age of like five in Crumlin in Dublin. Um, and then we, or well, mum and dad moved to New York. They had me over there. We then moved back to Ireland. They moved there because that's where the work was. They were like.
13:08 Speaker 05 Do they do?
13:08 Speaker 03 They, so dad worked in construction for a little bit. Mum was a cleaner and then she became a nanny. Um, and she used to take me to work with her. So when I was about three, that's when we moved back home. But they'd been there for about twelve years, all in all. And then we moved back to Dublin for probably about six months. But it was so expensive at that stage because the Celtic Tiger had happened. So there was this, basically, there was a huge recession in the eighties and nineties, which made people leave. And there were so many people that, you know, didn't finish their third level education. And, you know, it was still very much like a working class country. Um, and so they just went where the work was.
13:51 Speaker 03 Um, and then when they came back, Ireland was sort of being transformed into this like modern European.
13:57 Speaker 05 Was my dad would say modern.
13:59 Speaker 03 Modern, that's what my mum says. And it was, at a certain point, I was like, I don't think that's how you're supposed to say that. They'd say modern.
14:06 Speaker 05 And patron.
14:07 Speaker 03 And patron.
14:08 Speaker 05 And film, and a film, pattern.
14:10 Speaker 03 Oh. Oh, a patron, yeah.
14:12 Speaker 05 A patron.
14:12 Speaker 03 And would you say, my mum always says chimney for chimney?
14:16 Speaker 05 Yeah.
14:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:18 Speaker 05 I'm sure, yeah, it was very weird.
14:20 Speaker 03 I mean, it's confusing.
14:22 Speaker 05 So it's just you and Christopher?
14:23 Speaker 03 So, yes, so Chris, so I'm an only child, but Christopher, I, it's weird because I never had siblings. I wish that I had had siblings, but my mum always took care of other people's kids. So I was sort of brought up with other kids anyway, which I think was kind of the best of both worlds. And when we moved back to Dublin, we eventually moved to the country. Dad's friend Chris and his wife Bernie followed. Christopher was like two and a half years younger than me and Bernie went back to work. And so my mum, nannied him basically. So he grew up with me and so every single meal time we were together after school. And usually mum would make, I mean, even just the smells that are here, it's like so familiar to me.
15:07 Speaker 05 Good.
15:08 Speaker 03 The chicken and the spuds and the garlic and the onions and all of that. So mum used to do more traditional dishes like Irish coddle and.
15:16 Speaker 05 What's that?
15:18 Speaker 03 Do you know what Irish coddle is, Lenny?
15:19 Speaker 05 No.
15:20 Speaker 03 So coddle, coddle's basically like a stew and you can make it. I think you can make it with a beef stock, but she always made it with a vegetable stock or a chicken stock. And she'd just throw everything into it, so like sausages, ratters, onions, celery, barley, carrots.
15:37 Speaker 05 Oh yum.
15:38 Speaker 03 Spuds, like everything. So you were getting so much, so much of that nutrients that you needed, but it was all in one.
15:45 Speaker 05 And that's the way Irish people do cabbage, with bacon then or ham.
15:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, they should do cabbage and bacon for Easter and.
15:53 Speaker 05 And you liked that, you weren't, because I can imagine giving that to my kids and them being like, ma'am, I'm not, I'm not eating it.
15:59 Speaker 03 I loved it.
16:00 Speaker 05 Did you, did you enjoy the kind of homely cooking?
16:02 Speaker 03 You know what? I think at the minute, I haven't been able to cook a home cooked meal in weeks. And I love to cook so much and it's made me so sad. And I got home last week after being away for so long. And I was like, I just need to cook a roast for us. And it was just the two of us and I made a roast, all the trimmings, the whole thing. And it was like the most comforting thing to have all the food that I grew up with.
16:29 Speaker 05 What's your favourite roast, chicken or beef?
16:32 Speaker 03 I don't love beef, Jack, I don't because I like cows and also I get a tummy ache when I have beef. So I don't have beef.
16:42 Speaker 05 Done chicken, thank god.
16:43 Speaker 03 No, chicken's perf- but I would have had beef, like I would have eaten beef as well, but.
16:47 Speaker 05 Just shat yourself for the rest of the day.
16:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly. Um but yeah, so we we grew up where, I don't know, we were in a household where food was just always really important and Mam was a great cook. My dad is an excellent cook, actually. I I feel like that's something that he probably should have gone into.
17:06 Speaker 05 Really? What was his best dish that you'd have?
17:09 Speaker 03 He would cook, I mean, he he was one of those people where he would just like open up the fridge and he'd pull out anything and make something delicious out of it. So there was never like a specific recipe, but he would just flavour things in a really delicious way and he'd cook a lot of Asian food and, you know, I because I was in New York for the first three years of my life, I was actually exposed to so many different cuisines anyway. Um so I always had a taste for different things. I've always loved really, really spicy food.
17:39 Speaker 05 Are you working on a film now?
17:41 Speaker 03 No.
17:41 Speaker 05 Oh, that's good. You're having a rest.
17:43 Speaker 03 No, I'm not. I'm doing press. That's more exhausting.
17:46 Speaker 05 Which brings me on to what happened on Friday.
17:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:50 Speaker 05 And you now have become viral, which is probably what you did not intend to happen. When you're talking about a film.
17:57 Speaker 06 Good for you, saying it.
17:58 Speaker 05 For people that don't know about this, um, Sischa was on, um, Graham Norton and amongst brilliant people, Denzel Washington, Paul Moscow and Eddie Redmayne and you're, they're all having a joke about, um, Eddie's training, Dev Jackal, and they're talking about a phone. And you basically deliver, uh, talking about using a phone in self-defense and you deliver this incredibly concise and powerful, less than ten words, Marie. Have you read the Marina Hyde art corner?
18:27 Speaker 03 Is that the one?
18:28 Speaker 05 In The Guardian?
18:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
18:29 Speaker 05 Babe, it's brilliant.
18:30 Speaker 03 Jack gave it to me this morning because I had, I'm very conscious not to
18:34 Speaker 05 Yeah.
18:35 Speaker 03 become too aware of what's being talked about.
18:38 Speaker 06 Yeah, but she's brilliant anyway.
18:39 Speaker 03 She's amazing and I've read a few of her bits before and she's incredible. And I think she put it, in a way, she put it better than I ever could. I mean, I guess it's, I've found it interesting.
18:50 Speaker 05 To become aware of my own reaction to all this over the last few days. Cause I even think I had a moment, being honest, where I felt bad. I was like, oh God, should I not, cause there was. So I made it awkward. Yeah, and then I thought, no, no, mustn't do that because then you're sort of falling into that trap again. But I, I guess because that's the kind of conversation that I would have with my female friends and my male friends. One of which being Paul Meskell, like he is one of our dear friends. And like, we'll make comments like that all the time at the dinner table.
19:26 Speaker 05 And I'm so lucky that, you know, we live in a very eh liberal sort of household and we, we have a lot of artists and actors and musicians and stuff around us. So the women in my life are very vocal about their experience. And my mom is as well, to be honest, a lot of the women, a lot of these, you know, incredible, strong Irish women from home. They'll be the first one to tell you, like, this is what the experience was like for us. So I've never really shied away from that, same with my mother in law, I've never shied away from that. But I have definitely found over the last few years, post Sarah Everard's murder. That um there's been more of an impetus, I think, for women to go out of their way to grab the men that they're close to and be like,
20:11 Speaker 05 do you know that this is what runs through our head every day, like ninety percent of the time, subconsciously. And I remember myself and my mother in law having a conversation with Jack um and his brother after that happened. And we said, you know that like when we get into an elevator, if a guy comes in and it's just us in the lift and the doors close. The thought will come into our head that we could be attacked, like categorically, that is what will happen, that is our reality. And I think even for us, it's so sort of repressed and normalized. So in a way, even though I didn't expect this sort of reaction, I am incredibly.
20:51 Speaker 03 Uh refreshed and proud, actually, that we're all talking about it.
20:55 Speaker 05 Um.
20:55 Speaker 03 And I think we can do it in like a calm manner. I don't think the lads, like, we have to keep it in context. The lads didn't hear my comment and then say, sure, what are you talking about?
21:05 Speaker 05 Yeah, no.
21:05 Speaker 03 They didn't.
21:06 Speaker 05 They were very humbled.
21:07 Speaker 03 They were.
21:08 Speaker 05 Um, um, and it, it, there was a kind of an awkwardness about it, but they were. Uh, it, it, it was funny, and that's what Marina said. She said, these are the, the nice guys in showbiz. They're brilliant.
21:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:19 Speaker 05 Wonderful, brilliant actors.
21:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:21 Speaker 05 And so it was, it was quite an interesting dynamic that happened.
21:24 Speaker 03 It was.
21:24 Speaker 05 Um, I, I wonder what, like, when you finished, did anyone bring it up again after? Or was it like, sorry, babes? Or was it?
21:31 Speaker 03 This is the mad thing. Have you been on Graham Norton?
21:33 Speaker 05 I have, and it's such a, like, it's just so snappy and fast and it's kind of bonkers.
21:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's kind of bonkers. And also the show, you know, most of the show was there, but it is edited. And I actually came away from filming it on Thursday night, when you do. And Paul and I went for a drink afterwards. And I remember being so in my head about it. And I was like, I thought I was shite on that tonight.
21:56 Speaker 05 Oh, bless you.
21:57 Speaker 03 And I don't think I did a good job. And like, you were amazing, but I, I just got really in my head afterwards.
22:02 Speaker 05 Yeah.
22:02 Speaker 03 Um, and I forgot all about it. I forgot about anything that had ever been said. Nobody made a comment about that at all. Because it was sort of part of like.
22:11 Speaker 05 Yes.
22:11 Speaker 03 A much wider conversation. And then, I don't know, maybe two days later, once it had aired. And I was really anxious about airing, because I was like, I'm gonna come across so badly. I had a big spot on my face and I was like.
22:24 Speaker 05 Gorgeous. You looked so glowing.
22:27 Speaker 03 I can see the spot on my cheek. Um, but, so that's all, stupidly, that's all I was thinking about. And then my best mate said, everyone's contacting me about the phone comment. And I was thinking, the phone comment, what, what's she on about? And it was only when she sent me that little clip that I realised that they'd obviously kept it in, because I didn't know what they'd included in the edit. So, yeah, it's, I'm very grateful for it. I'm very grateful to, um, for one comment that I've made to have started. Started a conversation that absolutely needs to be had, you know.
22:57 Speaker 06 Are we ready to?
22:58 Speaker 05 I, yeah, definitely.
22:59 Speaker 03 All the spuds.
23:00 Speaker 05 The spuds do look good. They've got a bit of Parmesan on them. You happy? Okay, good.
23:05 Speaker 03 Like, you've no idea.
23:06 Speaker 05 Oh, good, mum. They look great.
23:08 Speaker 03 They look great. Is that rosemary you've got on them? What is that?
23:11 Speaker 05 A little bit. Um, so Blitz, watched it and thought you were magnificent. I thought the whole cast was magnificent. How was it working with Stephen Queen?
23:22 Speaker 03 It was amazing. I mean, I'm a huge fan of his and that was the reason why I wanted to do the film in the first place. And I also knew that if he was gonna make a movie set during the Second World War. It was most likely gonna have like quite a fresh take on that story. I think that like for me as a, you know, as a female actor. Most of the time when war epics or war scripts will come into your inbox, you're usually on the sideline. You know, you're not really in the, in the sort of thick of things and I like to be in the thick of things. Um, so I was interested to hear what his plan was for it.
24:04 Speaker 03 And when he told me that he wanted the central relationship between, to be between a child and his mother. That's what made me really excited about it. I, you know, obviously you guys are really close as well. I just love that relationship between. A child and their mother and it's been so important to me and so formative to me and um. To get to kinda, I don't know, embody that on screen is so nice.
24:31 Speaker 05 Brilliant.
24:32 Speaker 03 He is brilliant and he was nine when we started it. He'd never made anything before. And he just, yeah, and he just snapped right into it. He was amazing and we're really close as well, which is good.
24:44 Speaker 05 And I, I read about, you know, because obviously, how old are you when you did Atonement?
24:48 Speaker 03 Twelve, but I was nine when I started.
24:51 Speaker 05 And you were quite protective of him, making sure that you were checking in with him because of being such a young star.
24:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, I was always checking in with him. I am really protective over him, hopefully not in an annoying way. But I'm also very conscious of them, the experience that his parents might be having during all this because. I was always very sensitive to the fact that, you know, I would audition for things when I was a kid and I remember. Casting agents and producers and directors would always refer to. My mom as, oh, was this mum? And I'd always go, this is Monica, this is her name.
25:27 Speaker 05 Yeah.
25:28 Speaker 03 And I always had a real thing about that and I feel like when a parent is on set with their kid, they're sort of overlooked a lot. Mam never was because she wouldn't have let that happen. And Elliot had a chaperone most of the time, but I always wanted to make sure that like, if his mom and dad wanted to speak to me, or if there was anything that like I could implement on set that would make him feel safer and happier and like he was having more fun, then I would absolutely do that because at the end of the day, it's his movie and we were there to support him. So, yeah, I, I love him.
26:00 Speaker 05 The accent also in Blitz was unreal. I know you're an actor.
26:05 Speaker 03 Do you think it was alright?
26:06 Speaker 05 Babe, it was so good.
26:08 Speaker 06 Okay, thank you. Shocked.
26:10 Speaker 03 Thanks.
26:11 Speaker 06 Where's my bleeding son?
26:12 Speaker 03 I know. Yeah, okay. So you didn't think that was too strong. Cause you don't, cause you don't ever wanna take the piss, do you know what I mean?
26:18 Speaker 05 No, it set me.
26:19 Speaker 03 The tough thing is.
26:21 Speaker 06 Style, you look so gorgeous.
26:23 Speaker 03 That's Jacqueline Durin, the costume designer.
26:25 Speaker 05 Did you keep any of those numbers?
26:27 Speaker 03 No, cause they're all, they have to go into storage afterwards, like we did.
26:31 Speaker 06 Did you have to wear a wig?
26:32 Speaker 03 Pickups and stuff. Yeah, like the best wig ever.
26:35 Speaker 05 Yeah.
26:35 Speaker 03 Wigs, wigs cost so much money. Like if you want a really good wig, it could cost you like fifteen grand. And my wig, I think, was that amount of money.
26:44 Speaker 05 It fucking looked it.
26:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
26:46 Speaker 06 Gorgeous.
26:47 Speaker 03 You could see every single thing.
26:48 Speaker 06 But what I was so surprised about was Paul Weller.
26:51 Speaker 03 Mmm.
26:52 Speaker 06 I thought he was, I thought, I thought he looks like Paul Weller.
26:55 Speaker 03 I know, it was him.
26:56 Speaker 06 I looked up and it was him.
26:58 Speaker 03 Elliot said to me last night, we were doing a Q and A, and my hair was straightened and he looked at me in the middle of the Q and A and he was like, you really look like Paul Weller right now, you know?
27:09 Speaker 03 But yeah, he was lovely and, um, very.
27:13 Speaker 03 Humble, actually. He just like, he knew that, you know, this wasn't his kind of arena and he was so open to learning about it. And, and he's also like the real McCoy as well.
27:24 Speaker 05 Mm hmm.
27:25 Speaker 03 So I think for us to have him and Hayley Squires, that made such a big difference. But the accent that we had to do, it's not, you know, the London accent that you would hear nowadays.
27:37 Speaker 05 No, it's much more pronounced, yeah, yeah, yes.
27:39 Speaker 03 So that was the tough thing, cause I've grown up hearing modern day.
27:43 Speaker 05 Uh huh.
27:43 Speaker 03 You know.
27:44 Speaker 05 Cockney.
27:44 Speaker 03 Cockney accents.
27:45 Speaker 05 Let's talk about your, your mum sounds fantastic. Monica sounds fantastic.
27:51 Speaker 03 She's great. She's fucking great.
27:53 Speaker 05 Does she get over a lot to London? Does she like London? Are you, are you based in London?
27:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:58 Speaker 05 Yeah.
27:59 Speaker 03 She doesn't get over as much as she should probably, but she has a dog called Fran. And Fran was sort of like my replacement when I left.
28:09 Speaker 05 Right, okay.
28:10 Speaker 03 So she's like, but Fran needs me. And I'm like, but I'm your child.
28:15 Speaker 03 You birthed me. Um, so she doesn't get over as, as often as she should. And also she's working now and.
28:22 Speaker 05 What's she doing?
28:23 Speaker 03 Kind of, she's been working with a property developer in Dublin.
28:28 Speaker 05 Wow.
28:28 Speaker 03 Um, and she does some other charity work as well, which is really amazing. And she does all of that voluntarily. Yeah, she's amazing. So I get back and forth as much as I can.
28:37 Speaker 05 I'm, I read that you were partly home schooled.
28:40 Speaker 03 Mm.
28:41 Speaker 05 How, by Monica?
28:43 Speaker 03 Not by man, by a tutor.
28:44 Speaker 05 Okay.
28:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
28:46 Speaker 05 Was that because you were already in the world of acting and so it kind of made it easier?
28:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, I guess just the, the sort of toing and froing that happens when you're a child actor meant that. It was supposed to be more seamless. I don't know if it was. I would say it's the one. Aspect of being a child actor that I didn't love.
29:08 Speaker 05 Right.
29:08 Speaker 03 I didn't like that I wasn't. Part of that sort of social setting.
29:13 Speaker 05 How did the acting start?
29:16 Speaker 03 So it started because my dad, who was working in a bar at the time in New York. And he got discovered by a bunch of actors from the Irish rep in New York. So he became an actor, absolutely had no plans to do that. And he hadn't trained or anything, but um that's, that's what happened to him. And so eventually the work took him back to Ireland. And they needed a kid for this short movie that he was doing. And when we went back to Dublin. And so he was like, well, I've got one right here.
29:50 Speaker 05 How old were you?
29:52 Speaker 03 I was maybe, I don't know, six, seven.
29:56 Speaker 05 And that's when you were like, I like this.
29:59 Speaker 03 Yeah, I knew I liked it straight away, but I never got whenever I'd hear about kids being like. Aware of like what their career was gonna be. I was so, I think I was a really worldly kid, but I wasn't, but I was still very innocent. You know, and I was raised in the country and like was very much a child. So this was just a thing that I really liked to do straight away. And then I did a couple of Irish TV series and the cast and agents from one of those shows. Uh cast me in my first film, which was an Amy Heckerling movie. Um who did Look Who's Talking and Clueless and. Things like that.
30:44 Speaker 05 What was it called?
30:45 Speaker 03 It was a bit of a mouthful. It was called I Could Never Be Your Woman, which is the name of a song, I think.
30:54 Speaker 05 Yeah.
30:55 Speaker 03 Which I think do a sample, yeah. Um so yeah, so that was my first movie and I was Michelle Pfeiffer's daughter and Paul Rudd was in it and.
31:05 Speaker 03 Graham Norton had like this weird cameo in it and I've said it to him since. I'm like, do you remember that you like said yes to that?
31:11 Speaker 05 Oh my god, that's so funny.
31:12 Speaker 03 So that was my first thing. And then I did another film and then I did. Tomlin, that was my third movie and that and that's when I loved it.
31:21 Speaker 05 I mean, you had Christopher as like your friend and kind of brother. But I I I'm interested with how friendships were made. Was it a lot on set?
31:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, it was.
31:35 Speaker 05 And how that's kind of affected you.
31:37 Speaker 03 It, I don't think it affects me in a negative way now. I don't think it's ever affected me in a negative way, but there was definitely a period in my teens where I wasn't in like a traditional schooling environment. I wasn't around a lot of young people. And and it was hard to make friends. And so I didn't have a lot of mates from the age of like fourteen to eighteen, I would say. And the friends that I did have before that, they, you know, they continued on into secondary school and they got boyfriends and girlfriends and kind of did their own thing. And I did feel a little bit like I, I don't know, I just wasn't, I wasn't a part of that next stage as a kid.
32:22 Speaker 03 And so Christopher was my constant and and I made one really great friend on a film called City of Ember when I was about thirteen. Which was in Belfast and Lucy and she's still my best friend to this day.
32:36 Speaker 06 How many films have you made?
32:38 Speaker 03 I don't know.
32:39 Speaker 05 That's my ask.
32:40 Speaker 06 No, but I I mean, it it's fast. Filmography, as they call it on Wicked.
32:46 Speaker 03 I don't know, but I've been doing it for like twenty years.
32:49 Speaker 06 Twenty years, crazy.
32:52 Speaker 03 I love it. I love it, but like, I'm sure it's the same for you with your music, like your relationship to the work changes. It goes from being sort of like fantasy like and like everything about it is so perfect to becoming more complicated and then you sort of being aware of your skill set and the industry side of it and how you wanna use that to make the work that you wanna do. And that's kind of where I'm at now. I feel very. Feel quite empowered with where I'm at now. I feel very much in my Saturn return, I would say.
33:28 Speaker 05 I love that. So the outrun.
33:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
33:32 Speaker 05 Let's talk about it because I feel like that is you.
33:34 Speaker 03 That's what I wanna talk.
33:35 Speaker 06 Everyone who's seen it loved it. I haven't seen it yet.
33:38 Speaker 03 I'd love yous to see it. It's.
33:40 Speaker 06 I definitely will.
33:41 Speaker 03 Have you been to Orkney? Have you guys been to the Orkney Islands? Had you heard of it before? So we had never been. Jack had been once years ago. And he got this book, um, which was written by Amy Lipshot and that's where she's from. And he hadn't read it when he made the first trip out there. And then we were in lockdown and, you know, you're going through a book like a week. And he read it and as soon as he finished it, he was like, this is the next book you have to, we have to adapt. And you have to play this role. Um. And so I read it and I'd like, I'd never, I'd never read anything like that before. The way, the sort of like poetry.
34:24 Speaker 03 While also still being like very grounded in reality. I loved all that. Um. And we just wanted to make something about Scotland and we wanted to make something that was his Scotland, that was modern Scotland, that wasn't. Someone else's take on that, which is.
34:39 Speaker 05 What, what's the premise of the film?
34:42 Speaker 03 Okay, yes.
34:42 Speaker 05 For people that don't know.
34:43 Speaker 03 So the outrun, um, it's based on a memoir by Amy Lipshot. And it is about her tackling her alcoholism. So her kind of unhealthy. Relationship with the substance, um. Spirals and becomes uncontrollable when she moves from the Orkney Islands down to London. Um, and over the, the sort of few years that she's there, she loses kind of everyone and everything that's. Dear to her until she eventually has to put herself into rehab. And once she's gone through that process, she unwillingly moves back. To Orkney because she has no money, she has no job, she has no partner, she has nothing.
35:27 Speaker 03 And and really it's about the recovery process, the sort of healing after the initial healing. And she eventually finds herself in a tiny, tiny little island called Papay or Papua West, right? And it's really the natural world and the small community that sort of heals her and her sort of like finding community while still being in isolation. So it felt very relevant to now because we've all kind of had to reevaluate what our relationship is with isolation and what it is with the people in our life and who we want in our life and how we want to spend our time. So it's really kind of just that. And in a way, it's, I don't want to say it's a quiet story, but like it's
36:12 Speaker 03 it's a journey that everyone goes through, whether they've struggled with addiction or not. So, yeah. I'm very proud of it. I'm so, I'm honestly, I'm like so proud of the reaction that we've gotten from people because I think even if you haven't suffered from alcoholism yourself or another form of addiction, like a loved one has absolutely gone through that. Um, yeah.
36:42 Speaker 05 I, I can't wait to see it. And I think that I'm excited about you and Jack doing your, this was, this was Scotland.
36:51 Speaker 03 Hmm.
36:51 Speaker 05 And then you're going to take on Ireland. I have no doubt about this.
36:54 Speaker 03 Hmm, absolutely. That's the plan.
37:38 Speaker 01 Okay, let's see. We got the four kids, four gifts each, six teacher gifts? Wait, oh, what did we get in? Sandy. And the dogs. Oh, can't forget the dogs.
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39:04 Speaker 06 When did you last go on holiday? You're so busy.
39:08 Speaker 03 Well.
39:09 Speaker 06 Honeymoon?
39:09 Speaker 03 We went to the honeymoon. We did a little mini-moon in Italy, which was nice. What else have we done? We like to do rail travel.
39:19 Speaker 06 Oh, my God.
39:20 Speaker 03 We travel by.
39:21 Speaker 06 Is that something you did as a teenager?
39:23 Speaker 03 Sorry, are you 60 years old? No, we're not train spotters. Jack is obsessed with trains. He doesn't know anything about trains, but he loves, like, yesterday. Yeah, he loves anything sentimental from the past. And we've done the Orient Express, which is very fancy.
39:39 Speaker 06 No, but was it fab?
39:40 Speaker 03 It was amazing.
39:41 Speaker 06 Yeah.
39:41 Speaker 03 And then we also did this rail trip around Europe, where we, I think, we flew into Berlin, then we went to Vienna, then we went to Milan.
39:50 Speaker 06 That sounds fab.
39:51 Speaker 03 Then we went to Venice.
39:52 Speaker 06 You interlaced. You had your gap here, finally.
39:54 Speaker 03 Finally, I really have my youth.
39:56 Speaker 06 Did you sleep on the train?
39:58 Speaker 03 On the train, on the Orient.
39:59 Speaker 06 Orient Express. You see, he's Scottish, he's had all these coming down to London on the sleeper.
40:03 Speaker 05 He loves a train.
40:04 Speaker 06 With skimble chans.
40:07 Speaker 06 Skimble chans, the railway cat. There's a whistle down the line, it's eleven thirty nine, the night mail's ready to park, saying skimble, where is skimble? We've got out the thimble, we must find him or the train can't park. All the guards and all the porters and station masters are searching high and low, saying skimble. Where is skimble? We must find him, very nimble. The night train just can't go. And he tucks everyone up in bed, he's in charge of the train at night.
40:30 Speaker 05 So why have you never, why have you never done that to my children? She's doing it to me, Jessie.
40:35 Speaker 06 And do it later.
40:36 Speaker 05 It's for me.
40:37 Speaker 06 I'll do it, it's about the night train. And he's like.
40:41 Speaker 05 This is like your Shakespeare monologue. This is like, this is like what Denzel did on Graham the other day.
40:48 Speaker 06 I'm just thinking about the night train.
40:50 Speaker 05 Notchland. That was very, it also just didn't stop. It just kept going. No, I loved it, it just kept going.
40:58 Speaker 06 I could do more, no, I'm not. It's like when we had, who do we have on? We had Larry Lamb on.
41:04 Speaker 05 Oh, what did he do?
41:05 Speaker 06 He did, he did the Albert and the Lion.
41:08 Speaker 05 Oh, that was, I thought it reminded me of something.
41:10 Speaker 06 It's about when the, when they take him to Blackpool, his parents and the lion eats the little boy.
41:15 Speaker 05 Oh. Why are they always so tragic?
41:19 Speaker 05 I wanted to know, because you were saying about how you longed to have a roast and you had to cook. Mm-hmm. Are you prone to homesickness? Because you, I mean, you've been doing this so long and you travel and I'm sure you absolutely get the most out of when you're on a location. I mean, I know that you're probably working all the time, but, um, do you like the travel aspect of
41:40 Speaker 05 the jobs? And have you ever said yes to a job because it's been like, well, that's gonna be in Brazil, I quite fancy that? Yeah, I think that. Obviously, the project has to make sense, don't I? Yeah, the project obviously has to come first. I think that a lot has changed over the last few years.
41:56 Speaker 03 In terms of how much I value my home life.
41:59 Speaker 05 Yes.
41:59 Speaker 03 Because of who is in it now.
42:01 Speaker 05 Yes.
42:01 Speaker 03 And because I have a little gorgeous angel to look out for Stella.
42:07 Speaker 05 Jack.
42:07 Speaker 03 No Stella, even when I'm away, I'm like, can I just talk to the dog? I've started doing that because she does actually recognise my voice, so I do. But I would say I've just become very used to travelling over the years and I'm very good. Like every musician and actor is at like setting up a home anywhere really. I think once Jack is with me, that makes it a lot easier. But every few months, I'll, I'll just get like a bout of homesickness for Ireland specifically and Scotland now a little bit too. Because that's my second home now, I'd call that my second home. So I really, really miss those two places after a few months. There's just something about the feeling of it that I miss.
42:51 Speaker 05 What do you take with you? What are your kind of comforts whilst you're away? Do you have like, um. I, I, I always want Marmite, so I'll always take Marmite with me. So is there anything like that that you'll take with you?
43:03 Speaker 03 I lo- I love Vegemite.
43:05 Speaker 05 I like it too.
43:05 Speaker 03 I'm a Vegemite girl.
43:06 Speaker 05 I'm, where do you get yours from?
43:08 Speaker 03 I, well, I only got.
43:12 Speaker 05 You can't get Vegemite on a card.
43:13 Speaker 03 I don't think you can.
43:14 Speaker 05 No, you can't mum.
43:15 Speaker 03 But you can get it online.
43:19 Speaker 03 I, you can because I was in Australia two years ago. Going over there, I didn't like Marmite or Vegemite and then I tried Vegemite on toast with mashed avocado and I was like, I'm in.
43:31 Speaker 05 Yeah.
43:31 Speaker 03 Told my mum, by the time I'd come back, there was like ten bottles of Vegemite. She was like, I, I did it, I did a sort of bulk buy. Yeah, so um now I'm obsessed with that. I do, I actually have Marmite graze snacks. You know those graze snacks?
43:48 Speaker 05 Yeah.
43:48 Speaker 03 Always bring those away with me. Um, tea, I do bring away with me. Barry's tea.
43:55 Speaker 05 Barley's?
43:55 Speaker 03 Barry.
43:56 Speaker 05 Barry, oh, that's Irish, isn't it?
43:58 Speaker 03 Barry's Irish tea or Yorkshire tea, Yorkshire gold.
44:00 Speaker 05 You like strong tea?
44:02 Speaker 03 Yeah. I mean, if you're gonna do it, then do it.
44:04 Speaker 05 With the teabag in sometimes?
44:05 Speaker 03 No.
44:06 Speaker 05 Yeah, that's what my niece does.
44:08 Speaker 03 No, that's weird.
44:09 Speaker 05 Just, I think it's completely weird.
44:11 Speaker 03 But also, it means that the experience is changing every like minute.
44:16 Speaker 05 Yeah, but she likes all that.
44:18 Speaker 03 My auntie Mary. Margaret does this thing and I don't get it. She's always done it where she'll make the tea. She'll put it in the pot. She puts the pot on the hob.
44:27 Speaker 06 Loose tea or tea bags?
44:28 Speaker 03 Tea bags.
44:29 Speaker 06 Yeah.
44:30 Speaker 03 Puts it on the hob and just.
44:31 Speaker 06 Boil it up again?
44:32 Speaker 03 Just lets it stew for like hours.
44:35 Speaker 05 Oh.
44:36 Speaker 03 And it tastes so odd, but she's always done it. It's always been this thing that I've sort of associated with her.
44:42 Speaker 06 She'll pour you a cup out about an hour later.
44:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:44 Speaker 06 It's still hot, but it's, yeah.
44:47 Speaker 05 Oh, wow.
44:47 Speaker 03 It's quite like thick in taste.
44:50 Speaker 05 And can you say to Auntie Margaret, could you say, could I just, I'll just make my own?
44:55 Speaker 03 No.
44:56 Speaker 05 All right, okay.
44:57 Speaker 03 I'm just gonna hear this now, but no, I wouldn't do that.
45:00 Speaker 05 Um, whilst we clear away, start thinking about your last supper. We have a starter, a main, a pudding, a drink of choice. We've been a bit slack on the, um, on the pudding, but we had.
45:12 Speaker 03 Oh, don't worry.
45:13 Speaker 05 We, we, we've got something, but I need to check.
45:16 Speaker 03 I'm more, I'm more of a, of a savoury person anyway, don't worry.
45:19 Speaker 05 Hasn't, she hasn't messaged me that.
45:21 Speaker 06 Crispy, aren't they?
45:22 Speaker 03 You know, whenever my man's making roast for me, she'll always bring the dish over and she's like, pick out your roast spuds. So I always pick them out. It's a very personal experience.
45:32 Speaker 06 Probably need a bit more salt there.
45:33 Speaker 03 No, they don't. They're perfect. Do you ever put honey on your spuds?
45:36 Speaker 05 Oh.
45:36 Speaker 06 Oh my god, no.
45:38 Speaker 03 Game changer.
45:39 Speaker 06 Cause it makes, cause it crisps them up.
45:41 Speaker 05 At what point?
45:43 Speaker 03 Like twenty minutes before the end.
45:45 Speaker 06 But are they very sweet?
45:47 Speaker 03 No, you just put a tiny drizzle.
45:49 Speaker 05 So you're a good cook, aren't you?
45:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
45:51 Speaker 05 Do you, have you ever done the marmite in spuds?
45:54 Speaker 03 No.
45:55 Speaker 05 Maybe marmite and honey, that could be like.
45:57 Speaker 06 Oh my god, I'm gonna throw up.
45:58 Speaker 05 I think that could work.
45:59 Speaker 03 I think that'd be amazing. These are like, did you cook these in butter?
46:02 Speaker 06 Yeah.
46:03 Speaker 03 They're so nice. That's what Jamie Oliver does.
46:05 Speaker 06 Does he?
46:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
46:08 Speaker 06 They're butter, lots of garlic and parmesan.
46:11 Speaker 05 Do you want another cup of tea?
46:13 Speaker 03 No, I'm fine with these things.
46:14 Speaker 05 Oh my god, she's good. It's forget the ice cream, she's gonna have.
46:17 Speaker 03 I really don't need a dessert.
46:19 Speaker 05 Okay, so, well, should we just chat then? Are you sure you don't want a bowl of ice cream?
46:23 Speaker 03 No, I'm really, I'm happy.
46:25 Speaker 05 Okay, great.
46:25 Speaker 06 I'm just gonna do that. Shall I just move these away?
46:28 Speaker 03 That was so nice, thank you.
46:29 Speaker 06 Such a pleasure, darling.
46:31 Speaker 05 So, starter.
46:32 Speaker 03 So, for my starter, I wanna have this dish that I had tried for the first time in a restaurant in Aviemore, of all places, which is in the Scottish Highlands a few years ago, when we were doing Mary Queen of Scots. And it's baked goat's cheese with pine nuts. And I think rosemary and lavender oil.
46:57 Speaker 05 Ooh.
46:58 Speaker 03 Really nice, bit of like, christini, or something like that.
47:02 Speaker 05 Yeah.
47:03 Speaker 03 I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna say the first thing that comes into my head, because it needs to be like, effective. So I'm gonna do that for my starter.
47:09 Speaker 05 What was the name of this restaurant? Do you remember?
47:12 Speaker 03 It's called, I think it's called The Ship Inn, or the...
47:17 Speaker 05 Was it a pub?
47:18 Speaker 03 It's like a pub restaurant.
47:19 Speaker 05 But it was, okay, so people...
47:21 Speaker 06 Jack has definitely cast his Scottish spell, hasn't he?
47:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'm obsessed with Scotland. The Bridge Inn, maybe, something like that.
47:27 Speaker 05 We'll find out.
47:28 Speaker 03 You'll find it. What, every day?
47:30 Speaker 06 Yeah.
47:31 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:32 Speaker 05 Did he, did he wear one on the wedding, did he wear it at the wedding?
47:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:35 Speaker 06 Oh, my goodness.
47:37 Speaker 05 Did he wear underwear?
47:38 Speaker 06 Jessica!
47:39 Speaker 05 I don't know, don't they wear, not, don't they not wear underwear?
47:42 Speaker 06 You don't need to know a thing.
47:43 Speaker 05 Oh, really? Okay.
47:44 Speaker 03 But also, it's thick wool, so like, it's hot.
47:47 Speaker 06 It would itch as well.
47:48 Speaker 05 Maybe you want some air.
47:50 Speaker 03 Exactly.
47:50 Speaker 06 Yeah, but it would itch your bits.
47:52 Speaker 05 Your bits.
47:53 Speaker 03 But when the, when the midges are out, because the midges are so bad.
47:56 Speaker 06 The midges.
47:57 Speaker 03 All the boys got, like, bitten to fuck.
47:59 Speaker 05 Oh, no.
48:00 Speaker 03 Like, the next day, they have...
48:01 Speaker 06 Actually, probably the worst thing about Scotland. In the summer, it's so beautiful, but there are clouds of midges, and they can't contain them. And it's just when you want to sit out in the evening and be in the sun, it's warm and lovely.
48:17 Speaker 05 I need to get some Scotland recommendations, I need to take my kids. My friends are just in the mull at the moment.
48:22 Speaker 03 We went to Eilean Shona recently, which is incredible. It's this tiny, tiny island off the coast of the mainland. Sky is incredible. Muck is great, like all the western isles are amazing.
48:37 Speaker 06 I had a boyfriend on the Isle of Aran.
48:39 Speaker 03 That's so hot.
48:40 Speaker 06 It was.
48:41 Speaker 05 Well, you've got your own boyfriend, John.
48:44 Speaker 03 He's from the mainland, he's from the lowlands.
48:47 Speaker 06 The lowlands.
48:48 Speaker 03 He's from the borders, yeah.
48:49 Speaker 06 But he's proud of his Scottishness.
48:51 Speaker 03 Yes, couldn't be more proud.
48:52 Speaker 05 Um, okay, main.
48:54 Speaker 03 So my main, okay, so the first thing that's come into my head, because it just, uh, this is a dish that I like dream about. And anyone that I've introduced to it also like has fantasies about this meal, it's penne alla vodka.
49:09 Speaker 05 Like alla gigi de Hadid.
49:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, and it was originated in this place called Alavecchia Betola, which is this old little inn in Florence, and it's just outside of the sort of central bit of Firenze. And it's not touristy at all. And I was sent there by someone who studied there years ago. And as soon as I tried it, it was like, you know, like when people describe when they're about to die. And everything just sort of like becomes very sort of peaceful and calm. That's what it's like when you have penne alla vodka.
49:44 Speaker 05 Proper.
49:45 Speaker 03 Everything just falls into place.
49:46 Speaker 06 Remember the name of the place, Jessie, cause I'll look up.
49:49 Speaker 05 So that's your main, are you gonna have any sides with that? You're not fast.
49:52 Speaker 03 Um, I'm gonna have some delicious French bread, but also since they don't have to go together, I'd also love some poppadoms.
50:02 Speaker 05 Dips with, and the dips?
50:04 Speaker 03 Separate from the penne.
50:05 Speaker 06 Mango chutney.
50:06 Speaker 03 With mango chutney and the raita.
50:08 Speaker 06 Minty raita?
50:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
50:10 Speaker 06 Yeah.
50:10 Speaker 05 Mmm.
50:11 Speaker 06 Like the proper stuff they give.
50:13 Speaker 03 The pickles, the pickles.
50:13 Speaker 05 Yes, the lime pickles and stuff. Okay, gorgeous.
50:16 Speaker 03 So that's just a separate, that's just like a snack.
50:18 Speaker 05 A drink of choice, are you gonna have a drink? What, what drink? Would you have a cup of tea?
50:22 Speaker 03 I had, no, I wouldn't have a cup of tea with food. Um, I would have, I did have this. Delicious Sicilian chilled red the other day. And I can't remember.
50:33 Speaker 06 We didn't offer you a drink.
50:35 Speaker 03 Oh, no, I'm I'm happy not drinking at the minute, but I did have a lovely chilled red the other day, which I really liked, so maybe.
50:42 Speaker 06 Jessie likes chilled red and I don't like chilled.
50:44 Speaker 05 I think me and you are gonna go out for dinner.
50:50 Speaker 03 But why do people have a thing against chilled red and orange wine?
50:54 Speaker 06 Jessie doesn't.
50:54 Speaker 05 I I can't do orange.
50:56 Speaker 03 Why, why?
50:59 Speaker 06 Or pet nat, that's my worst. I hate pet nat.
51:03 Speaker 05 Oh babe.
51:03 Speaker 03 I don't know.
51:04 Speaker 06 Natural fizzy.
51:05 Speaker 05 Oh, it's fun. No.
51:06 Speaker 03 Is it alcoholic?
51:07 Speaker 05 Yes, it's kind of, it was fun. I love it.
51:10 Speaker 06 We can give you one of Gillian Anderson's pet you up drinks, take with you.
51:14 Speaker 03 Oh, that's what that is.
51:15 Speaker 05 Yeah, then one alcoholic. That's not pet nat. Anyway, we'll give you one. They're actually very nice.
51:20 Speaker 03 That's what I'd like for my drink.
51:21 Speaker 05 Um, okay, and then pudding. You're not much of a pudding person.
51:24 Speaker 03 I'm not really.
51:25 Speaker 05 You say clutching the bowl of spuds.
51:27 Speaker 03 Yeah, I probably have a bowl of spuds.
51:28 Speaker 05 Okay, please can you tell me a nostalgic taste that can transport you somewhere, happy or sad?
51:36 Speaker 03 Nostalgic taste. My mam, when I was a kid, you know what's so funny, can I just say? I've gone through a period in the last few years, as I'm sure you and your sister have as well, where you're like, mam, I need my space. Which I never had before. I was always like very codependent on my mam. And I've had a bit of space in the last while.
51:57 Speaker 05 Yeah.
51:58 Speaker 03 But you know what's so interesting? In the last few months, I've so gone back to that place of just wanting to talk about her all the time. Which I am so happy to be back there. Anyway, mam used to cook, um, mashed potatoes. And she used to mix it with broccoli and loads of butter. And she'd mash it up like when I was a kid, when I was a toddler. And it's like the most comforting thing. And I have. Had it in years, but I think if I had that, that would just transport me back to being a baby.
52:28 Speaker 05 Do you add cheese to that or not?
52:29 Speaker 03 I might.
52:30 Speaker 06 Don't Jessie, cause your son won't eat it.
52:32 Speaker 05 I think that's how you, I wean my children.
52:34 Speaker 03 Does he not like cheese?
52:35 Speaker 05 He doesn't, he likes melted cheese, but he doesn't like, he's very, he's very.
52:38 Speaker 03 But that's okay that he doesn't like cheese.
52:40 Speaker 05 It is okay, and I need to accept that.
52:43 Speaker 06 No, you don't accept anything.
52:44 Speaker 05 No, I don't.
52:45 Speaker 03 You don't, I think you need to accept that, cause it's not like it's, that he won't eat his vegetables.
52:50 Speaker 06 Do you have one utensil or one thing in your kitchen that you couldn't live without? Or an ingredient you couldn't live without?
52:58 Speaker 03 Garlic.
53:00 Speaker 06 Garlic.
53:00 Speaker 03 Always garlic.
53:01 Speaker 06 Well, you came to the right place today, cause it's everywhere.
53:04 Speaker 03 Couldn't live, couldn't live without garlic. Utensil? Um, what could I not do without? Probably like the picky up thing.
53:14 Speaker 05 Oh, what, the tongs?
53:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, probably a tong.
53:17 Speaker 05 What are you tonguing?
53:18 Speaker 03 Well, when I baste my roast potatoes.
53:21 Speaker 06 She tongues, she turns them over.
53:22 Speaker 03 Tongue to turn them over, cause they're covered in. Yeah, cause they're covered in flour and stuff, so I need to. No, no, no, no, no.
53:31 Speaker 06 And do you sing karaoke?
53:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, but I'm afraid to do it on my own.
53:37 Speaker 05 Why?
53:38 Speaker 03 Cause I, cause I get really nervous singing in front of people, so nervous. So I always have to get up with people.
53:46 Speaker 03 You know what I've tried to get Jack to do with me and he still won't do it?
53:49 Speaker 06 Which one?
53:49 Speaker 03 Throughout lockdown, I was like, come on, it's just us, let's do it. Do you remember Shallow from?
53:57 Speaker 05 And you won't do it?
53:58 Speaker 03 So I'm like, do Bradley and he won't do it. I'm like, I'll be Gaga, you do Bradley.
54:02 Speaker 05 Can he sing?
54:03 Speaker 03 Yeah, he can sing. He has like the voice of an angel. He's a great voice.
54:07 Speaker 05 So, I, I think, so when in Blitz, when you're singing, your character sings in the, in the work, in the workroom.
54:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
54:14 Speaker 05 Um, and it's so charming, cause the voice breaks and, and, and she's so nervous. Because she's a working class girl that's been asked to sing on the radio live.
54:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
54:25 Speaker 05 And, and were you absolutely terrified?
54:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, I was terrified. I was so nervous. And there were other scenes as well that we had where I would sing that didn't make it into the film. There was like, there's so much that we shot that didn't make it into the movie in the end, cause that's, you know, it happened with the outrun as well. But, um, it really, I have so much respect for you guys. I did anyway. But especially since going through that experience and getting to a point where you're like, yeah, I. I think I sound really good and then you hear yourself back and you're like, it's fine, but it's like, not the way you sound, it's not the way Adele sounds, it's not the way Barbara sounds, like, there is, there is scale, but then there's like a gift from God, that brilliant singer is like yourself.
55:10 Speaker 05 But I, but I think the same with acting. For me, that sounds, seems like the most terrifying thing in the world. So there you go. I guess we're both doing the right job.
55:18 Speaker 03 Let's just.
55:19 Speaker 05 But I can't wait to hear more, I, I, I can't wait to hear more singing of you.
55:22 Speaker 03 I wanna do more, I really wanna do more. I wanna do more like sort of modern stuff.
55:27 Speaker 06 Music theatre. An album?
55:28 Speaker 03 No, god, no, no, I don't have the voice for that, but I would love Greta Gerwig to write us a musical. And for me to be in it.
55:35 Speaker 05 Yes.
55:36 Speaker 03 Me and Timothy.
55:38 Speaker 05 Yes.
55:38 Speaker 03 I think that would be fun.
55:39 Speaker 06 You and Timothy.
55:40 Speaker 05 Um, it's been such a pleasure having you on.
55:42 Speaker 03 It was amazing.
55:43 Speaker 05 Give um, your husband Lenny and my regards. Um, and also just good luck with, well, I mean, you don't need any luck, you're fantastic.
55:50 Speaker 03 No, thanks.
55:51 Speaker 05 Wonderful. I can't wait to see the outrun. Thank you so much for being on. Such a pleasure to meet you.
55:56 Speaker 03 This is so nice.
55:57 Speaker 05 And I hope the rest of the promo run is okay.
56:00 Speaker 03 It won't be as good as this.
56:02 Speaker 05 But we'll always have this. We'll always have the, the garlickers.
56:07 Speaker 03 With a bit of honey next time.
56:08 Speaker 05 Yes.
56:23 Speaker 05 Mum, I've just, I've got my new friend. She's my new friend.
56:26 Speaker 06 See you fell in love.
56:27 Speaker 05 I love her. She was gorgeous. She kept on holding our hands, both of us.
56:31 Speaker 06 But do you know, she's so beautiful. I kind of, I kind of resented having her tan because her skin is so.
56:38 Speaker 05 Porcelain.
56:39 Speaker 06 Translucent and porcelain. And we're sitting there looking a bit bronze.
56:43 Speaker 05 Leatherie.
56:43 Speaker 06 Leatherie. Yeah, I'm an old rhino here.
56:47 Speaker 05 Go and see Blitz. It's on Apple TV and in cinemas and in sim.
56:51 Speaker 06 Cinnamon.
56:52 Speaker 05 Cinnamon.
56:53 Speaker 06 Ooh.
56:53 Speaker 05 Patron. Um, and also go and catch the outrun, which she's also incredibly proud of. Dreamy, dreamy guest. Loved it. Loved seeing her just picking the studs.
57:04 Speaker 06 Everything.
57:05 Speaker 05 Yeah, she was so happy to be here. I loved it.
57:08 Speaker 06 Yeah.
57:08 Speaker 05 Makes it all worthwhile being stuck with you for another day, Mum.
57:11 Speaker 06 Oh, piss off.
57:13 Speaker 05 Thank you, Saoirse Ronan, for coming on Saoirse. I feel...
57:16 Speaker 06 Saoirse.
57:17 Speaker 05 Saoirse.
57:18 Speaker 06 It's because you're not Irish, darling, really.
57:19 Speaker 05 You say thanks.
57:20 Speaker 06 They're going to check that. When you go for your passport, they'll say, "Say Saoirse."
57:24 Speaker 05 Yeah, but you're not saying it right.
57:25 Speaker 06 Saoirse.
57:26 Speaker 05 Saoirse.
57:27 Speaker 06 Saoirse.
57:28 Speaker 05 Yeah, exactly.
57:29 Speaker 06 Saoirse.
57:30 Speaker 05 Thank you, Saoirse. We love you. Thank you for listening and we'll see you next week.
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