Emma Grede

We have CEO and entrepreneur Emma Grede joining us for lunch this week. She is the star of both Dragons’ Den & Shark Tank, and also co-creator of Skims, Good American & Safely (all created with the Kardashian family!). Over a delicious Ravinder Bhogal chicken dish, Emma taught us the details of her Thanksgiving ham recipe, talked about cooking and learning with her friend Mrs Nancy, creating her ‘’A Seat At The Table’ events, investing in the Lumberjaxe boys on Dragons’ Den, juggling being a mum and an entrepreneur, her love of an M&S cheese & celery sandwich and we discover the best trivia about brown sauce! Emma thank you so much for joining us, hope the food on the flight home was the curry you were looking for! Emma’s latest project is coming early May! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 2:31Jessie Ware?

  Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I am in Lenny's living room and I've done diddly squat and I'm sorry.

• 2:39Speaker 06

  It's fine, you don't need to be sorry.

• 2:41Jessie Ware?

  I just got back from Los Angeles.

• 2:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:43Jessie Ware?

  The guest that we've got on today lives in Los Angeles. However, she is an East Londoner.

• 2:49Speaker 06

  You didn't cross paths as you were flying in and out.

• 2:51Jessie Ware?

  No, because she was here doing business. And we've got Emma Greed coming on, who is, if you don't know who Emma Greed is, well, you'll definitely know of some of her brands. She was one of the founders of Skims, which is Kim Kardashian's shapewear company. She's also partnered with Khloe Kardashian for her jean denim company called Good American, which is all about kind of size inclusivity and it's hugely successful. She has a cleaning, plant-based cleaning range with Kris Jenner called Safely. She's just launched a new clothes brand called Off Season.

• 3:31Speaker 06

  She's just done Dragon's Den.

• 3:32Jessie Ware?

  She's just done Dragon's Den. She's a guest judge. She's been a guest judge before in Dragon's Den. She's also been the first black female in Shark Tank, which is like the Dragon's Den in the States. And she does guest Dragon's Den slots. And so we watched her last night, we're recording this day, the day after she's, her episodes come out, where she invested in a

• 3:52Speaker 06

  The Lumberjacks.

• 3:52Jessie Ware?

  The Lumberjacks, which was like barbecue sauce, barbecue rubs.

• 3:57Speaker 06

  Seasoning.

• 3:57Jessie Ware?

  Seasoning, two brothers, and it was really lovely to watch.

• 4:00Speaker 06

  And they really deserved the investment.

• 4:02Jessie Ware?

  And she's just, she's quite fabulous. She's also got, I've been following her for ages on Instagram. She's also got very good food tips.

• 4:09Speaker 06

  Oh, great.

• 4:11Jessie Ware?

  So we've got Emma Grede. She did say her name was Greedy on the thing last night, so I'm gonna have to find out.

• 4:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, Greed and Greedy, yeah.

• 4:20Jessie Ware?

  Tell us what's on the menu.

• 4:22Speaker 06

  I've made an aromatic coconut chicken and potato, which is a Ravinda Bogle recipe.

• 4:29Jessie Ware?

  Lovely.

• 4:30Speaker 06

  My lovely Ravinda, who I adore.

• 4:32Jessie Ware?

  My lovely Ravinda.

• 4:33Speaker 06

  No, she's mine now. I love her. She sends me little messages on Instagram. We Instagram each other. So I've made that and I've made Yotam, Ottilengi's yoghurt, orange yoghurt cake.

• 4:47Jessie Ware?

  Yum.

• 4:48Speaker 06

  And the icing is just yoghurt and orange curd.

• 4:53Jessie Ware?

  Yum.

• 4:53Speaker 06

  Yeah. It smells great. Everything smells great, don't you think?

• 4:57Jessie Ware?

  Yes, it's, you walked in, it's Mark Heavenly.

• 4:59Speaker 06

  Good.

• 4:59Jessie Ware?

  I'm very excited to try them.

• 5:10Jessie Ware?

  Emma, is it greedy or greed? Because in the episode last night, you said I'm greedy.

• 5:16Speaker 07

  It's so true. I did, it's actually, it's Swedish, so it's Grede, but most Americans say greedy. And in England, they say greed because, but the correct pronunciation is Grede, but who's gonna do that?

• 5:28Jessie Ware?

  I'm just gonna call you Emma G.

• 5:29Speaker 07

  Most people call me Emma greed.

• 5:30Jessie Ware?

  Okay, fine. Emma Grede.

• 5:32Speaker 07

  Yes, I mean, you do not need to go there.

• 5:34Jessie Ware?

  Can you speak Swedish?

• 5:36Speaker 07

  Not a sausage, babe. Who would want to speak Swedish?

• 5:39Jessie Ware?

  I don't know.

• 5:40Speaker 06

  Bjorn from Abba.

• 5:42Jessie Ware?

  How does like sexy Swedish sound? I don't know.

• 5:44Speaker 07

  I have no idea.

• 5:45Jessie Ware?

  He's never whispered.

• 5:46Speaker 06

  I can, Jomel.

• 5:48Speaker 07

  Sweaty, sweaty, sweaty.

• 5:49Speaker 06

  Hold on. I know, I know. Jomel, Jomelska day.

• 5:52Speaker 07

  Oh, that's it.

• 5:53Jessie Ware?

  I love you.

• 5:54Speaker 06

  I love you.

• 5:54Speaker 07

  And my kids say that, which is actually a very cute, like.

• 5:57Jessie Ware?

  I like that.

• 5:58Speaker 07

  That's cutesy and sounds so nice.

• 5:59Jessie Ware?

  How do you know that, Mum?

• 6:00Speaker 06

  Because I had a Swedish fellow I met in Ibiza and he told me Jomelska day.

• 6:05Speaker 07

  Absolutely starting off the right chat.

• 6:07Speaker 06

  I've had my day, darling.

• 6:08Jessie Ware?

  Hang on, we've never discussed that you've been to Ibiza.

• 6:11Speaker 07

  You haven't?

• 6:12Jessie Ware?

  No.

• 6:13Speaker 06

  In about four times when I was younger.

• 6:15Jessie Ware?

  What?

• 6:16Speaker 06

  No, it wasn't like that. I didn't stand that bit of.

• 6:19Speaker 07

  No, you were.

• 6:19Jessie Ware?

  You were in the light.

• 6:21Speaker 07

  She was meditating.

• 6:22Speaker 06

  Yeah. No, it wasn't.

• 6:24Jessie Ware?

  Meditating under a sweet.

• 6:25Speaker 07

  Yeah, clearly, clearly.

• 6:27Jessie Ware?

  Um, Emmy, you've asked for a very strong builder's tea.

• 6:31Speaker 07

  I have indeed.

• 6:31Jessie Ware?

  And I'm very happy to say I got it.

• 6:33Speaker 07

  Is it? Okay.

• 6:34Jessie Ware?

  And you brought some M and S snacks.

• 6:36Speaker 07

  Listen.

• 6:37Jessie Ware?

  I mean.

• 6:38Speaker 07

  Not that I gifted, those were for me. The M and S snacks were for me. I gave you guys four number mason because that's you shouldn't turn up empty handed. But the M and S snacks are my childhood. It's like my whole being. So as soon as I get here, I buy a sandwich, a cheese and celery sandwich from Marks and Spencer's.

• 6:53Speaker 06

  Cheese and celery? I didn't even know they did them.

• 6:55Speaker 07

  That's what everybody says. And it's been there since, it must have been there for thirty five years because I've been having it since forever, forever.

• 7:02Speaker 06

  So do they grate the celery?

• 7:03Speaker 07

  No, it's very thinly cut and the cheese is sliced thinly but piled up high on like, you know, that Marks and Spencer's kind of like not white, not brown bread.

• 7:12Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:13Speaker 07

  So it's that. And then I buy all the tubs of the chocolate covered cornflakes and then that's, that keeps me going all the way.

• 7:18Jessie Ware?

  And they're not for your kids?

• 7:20Speaker 07

  Absolutely not. I, I, you've seen, I'm guarding them from everyone. I'm like, don't, don't, don't.

• 7:24Jessie Ware?

  Where's my nuts? Um, so, and you're going back to LA where you call home?

• 7:29Speaker 07

  Yes, I'm going, I'm actually flying back momentarily.

• 7:32Jessie Ware?

  So what will be your order on the plane? Are you going, like, will you eat the plane food?

• 7:37Speaker 07

  Do you know what? I'm not a big plane food person. What I do like, I will tell you, I like the curry on BA that is in economy. But let's be honest, it's like, I'm not sitting in economy. So I usually try and do a deal with whoever's on the plane. I'm like, can you get me a meal from down there? Because no, I don't want like.

• 7:53Speaker 06

  The chicken tikka salad, yeah.

• 7:55Speaker 07

  A hundred percent. But it's like, I don't want the fancy first class food. I want the back of the house food.

• 7:59Speaker 06

  In a corner will swap with you.

• 8:01Speaker 07

  Oh, but every single time, they usually have an extra curry. So I get my own way.

• 8:04Jessie Ware?

  How different is the first class to the business class?

• 8:08Speaker 07

  Uh, it's different. It's a very different service.

• 8:10Speaker 06

  And they serve whatever you want.

• 8:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, they serve whatever you want and you get the tablecloth and you get real china and you get, you know, salt and pepper, silver on it. It's very different.

• 8:20Jessie Ware?

  But you just want the curry in the tin.

• 8:21Speaker 07

  I just want the curry and a cup of tea.

• 8:23Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 8:24Speaker 07

  You know, I am a fancy food girl. I love a bit of fancy food, but not on a plane.

• 8:28Jessie Ware?

  Fair enough, you know.

• 8:29Speaker 06

  We heard about your fancy food.

• 8:31Jessie Ware?

  Your batata, your batata turkey. I love that.

• 8:35Speaker 07

  That's so good. I love that Bottega turkey. I've been, it's taken me a long time to perfect the Bottega turkey. I think I've had a lot of dry turkeys, but I've really nailed it now.

• 8:44Jessie Ware?

  You on, on, on the gram, you, um, I mean, we're going to talk about you being kind of an incredible entrepreneur and CEO and all of these things. But, um, but the food thing, you, you, you do good content with food.

• 8:57Speaker 07

  Oh, well, do you know what? It was accidental. It's just that that's what I actually love doing, the food. And I just, you know, it's just one of those things that to me is like so giving and loving. And, you know, I had to learn to do Thanksgiving because of course we don't do Thanksgiving in England. And what I learned is that it's a very different, depending on where you're from, is a very different way of doing Thanksgiving. And so I really had to learn it from someone. So my trainer's mother.

• 9:24Jessie Ware?

  Mrs Nancy.

• 9:25Speaker 07

  Miss Nancy. I mean, she's just like an unbelievable cook. And so she spent the time, we're now in our fourth year. This year was our fourth year together. And so she's really taught me how to cook Thanksgiving.

• 9:36Jessie Ware?

  So Miss Nancy comes for the Thanksgiving?

• 9:38Speaker 07

  Absolutely. And she's amazing. She cooks with me for a solid two days, like, like the, a full day. And she's not missing about. She's there with her hair net. She is like presiding over every part of the meal. She's the real deal.

• 9:50Jessie Ware?

  And what has Miss Nancy taught you?

• 9:52Speaker 07

  Well, the first thing she taught me was collard greens, because I'm pretty good with large joints of meat. But collard greens is, it's like, we don't do, even in the black community, we don't do that in England.

• 10:01Jessie Ware?

  They do.

• 10:01Speaker 07

  It's not hard.

• 10:02Jessie Ware?

  It's a bit like spring greens.

• 10:03Speaker 07

  It is a bit like spring greens, but, I mean, the ingredient is, but the preparation is different. And they cook them for hours and hours. And you've got to have the right type of ham hock. You've got to have four different types of greens. You have collard greens and you have mustard greens, turnip greens and, and other greens. Maybe it's three, not four.

• 10:22Jessie Ware?

  We can get all them greens here.

• 10:23Speaker 07

  No, no, I don't even think I'm up for that.

• 10:25Jessie Ware?

  Can you take us through? Because actually what we realised that we had Zoe Saldana on and she talked about how she cooked her rice.

• 10:31Speaker 07

  How beautiful is Zoe Saldana?

• 10:32Jessie Ware?

  Loves her food and was telling everybody about her rice and everyone loved it. So if you were going to tell us, an Emma Spesh, which one would you tell us how to do? Would it be Miss Nancy's?

• 10:43Speaker 07

  Pollard greens. No, it wouldn't. I've got to be honest with that. It would probably, it would either be my ham or my roast potato. Cause I think those are the things that I don't let anyone else touch. Alright. So I do a very good like Christmas slash Thanksgiving, full like bone in gammon. Has to be smoked. I get it from Virginia because that's the place where the pigs are very well looked after in America. So the ham comes in and it's like smoked, but the preparation is like crazy. So I cook it for three and a half hours. I've got the hat, like this ham pan. It's like a big small child in there. And you put in nigella seeds, mustard seeds, fennel seeds, a bay leaf. You do an onion, don't take the skin off. So you cut a red onion, you cut a white onion, you have a carrot in there, you do a fennel bulb.

• 11:28Speaker 07

  So you're basically just creating like a very aromatic pot. Stock. Ham goes in, ham's cooking. Oh, I forgot, there's star anise and cloves in there too. Okay, yeah, that brings like the warmth. Okay, gorgeous. And the Christmasy vibes and it's all happening. Ham goes in, three and a half hours, you make a glaze. And I do my glaze with like a dark demerara sugar, a bit of like a red currant jelly. We say in America, but you know, red currant sauce, basically, a thick cut marmalade. You make a beautiful glaze. Ham comes out of the pan, you're taking the entire skin off. Then you're gonna, you sometimes need to trim the fat, but not always. Then you're gonna do like a beautiful diamond pattern all over it.

• 12:07Speaker 07

  You put all the cloves in, in the middle of each diamond. And then you've got your oven on and you're gonna baste the whole thing with the beautiful glaze that you've made. That then goes in the oven, cover the ham, goes in the oven and it just looks like the most beautiful festive. It's like a movie. It's a movie of a ham. And it, but it's makes the house smell delicious. The house smells delicious. Also, it lasts for days. So it's one of those things, cause I always think it's about the leftovers. So when you do a sandwich. With that ham and you've got a bit of beautiful sourdough bread and the ripe pickles and like onion marm, like like it's. Are you adding cheese to that and a bit? All the things. I mean, because I married a Swede, they would always add cheese to it. Yeah. What, yeah. Where did you meet the Swede? I met him at work. What do you mean at work? They were working together.

• 12:50Speaker 07

  Well, we were working together. He was my first investor, actually. Okay. Yeah, yeah, doubled down. You invested well, didn't you? Exactly. In all the ways.

• 13:00Jessie Ware?

  And how long have you been together?

• 13:02Speaker 07

  Sixteen years now. Yeah, sixteen years and four kids later and I, yeah, still love him very much.

• 13:08Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, four kids. I got three and did you, it is, do you feel like going from three to four, like, simplified it or completely?

• 13:15Speaker 07

  Well, you know, I didn't go from three to four, I went from two, I went from two to four because.

• 13:19Jessie Ware?

  Oh, you've got twins?

• 13:20Speaker 07

  They were twins, absolutely. And I had my twins by surrogate and so it was even more strange in the sense that I didn't carry the twins. The twins arrived and of course, you know, with IVF, you're putting twins in, so you know what you're getting, but you can never, you can never fully appreciate what two babies at the same time is like, even if you've got two kids.

• 13:40Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, that is, and having them last as well, like, yeah, yeah.

• 13:45Speaker 07

  But they're amazing, you know, now you just, you've got four kids, you just have to do things differently.

• 13:49Speaker 06

  How old are the twins?

• 13:50Speaker 07

  Three, three years old and they're adorable, absolutely adorable.

• 13:55Speaker 06

  So do they miss you when you're away?

• 13:57Jessie Ware?

  I mean, I'm sure they do.

• 13:58Speaker 06

  I'm just going to ask you.

• 14:00Jessie Ware?

  This is what, no, this is what she does to me.

• 14:03Speaker 07

  No, no, no, here's the thing, this is the important thing, I'm sure they do, but that's not something I let trouble me and I'll be really honest about that because I do think that for someone like me, I have a lot of businesses, I have a lot of like priorities.

• 14:16Speaker 06

  You're travelling all around the world.

• 14:17Speaker 07

  I'm travelling all the time, but the truth of it is, I choose to travel, I choose to leave them, it's not like anyone's like, you've got to get on a plane, that's my choice, that's my ambition that does that. And so I'm really honest about the fact, I'm usually quite happy to leave them in a way, it's so funny because a couple of months ago, my daughter said to me, my, my eight year old daughter, she was like, oh my goodness, you know, I'm so sorry that you have to go to New York and I was like, why? And she said, well, it must be so lonely. And I was like, no, love, I have an amazing time. I think she thought when I travel, it was a hardship. I was like, babe, I sleep diagonal, I'm in a hotel suite all by myself, like, mummy really loves it when she leaves, you know, and she's like, oh, you do? I was like, yeah. And actually, I think it made her feel a little bit better about things, but, you know, I choose.

• 15:01Speaker 06

  Do you buy presents when you're away?

• 15:03Speaker 07

  No.

• 15:03Speaker 06

  Besides chocolate cornflakes?

• 15:04Speaker 07

  Well, no, no.

• 15:05Speaker 06

  They're not for them? They're not even for them?

• 15:07Speaker 07

  No.

• 15:08Speaker 06

  Do they not know about Percy Pigs?

• 15:10Speaker 07

  No, my kids don't eat candy, which is the weirdest thing. They're not eating sweets. They're just not into it. I don't know what it is. I have two, my eldest two are kind of fussy eaters, which for someone like me, who's a real foodie. It's like seriously problematic. Also, when you grew up with like not enough food. And now we have plenty and I'm like, and you lot are not eating properly? Like, what is that? So I've got two that are amazing eaters and two that are a little bit tricky.

• 15:34Jessie Ware?

  But back to your children and working, because I I had so many friends of mine that passed around your. Your women's hour interview that you did.

• 15:44Speaker 07

  So nice.

• 15:44Jessie Ware?

  And that you said, and it, and as somebody that does. Work hard, that's just been away for ten days, that my eight year old was less forgiving about it. She was like.

• 15:54Speaker 07

  Torturing you.

• 15:55Jessie Ware?

  She was just, she, I mean, FaceTime's annoying anyway, isn't it?

• 15:58Speaker 07

  FaceTime is annoying because you can get them in a wrong moment. You have to like, the FaceTime I tried to ease up on.

• 16:02Jessie Ware?

  But I think that she kept on seeing me like with the blue sky behind me and she'd be, and she was confused because she was like, I thought you were supposed to be working. And I'm like. Yeah, I'm waiting for every bugger to wa- wake up in Los, they start so late in Los Angeles music people. It's so annoying.

• 16:16Speaker 07

  Oh, okay, because we are the early birds of life.

• 16:19Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, it's so, yeah, but it's, they're like, yeah, should we start at two? I'm like, oh god, say I've been up since six. Um, but anyway, she was just, um, I think she was kind of confused, but I remember your, your women's hour interview that you did, I think maybe a year or so ago.

• 16:32Speaker 07

  It's like a year ago.

• 16:33Jessie Ware?

  And, and you talked about being the parent. That isn't gonna be every pick up and drop off at school. And for somebody who. Punishes themselves a lot of the time for not being able to do it all the time. I found that, yeah, but I felt. I felt so many of my girlfriends really, it resonated really well with them and, and it was passed around as like.

• 16:54Speaker 07

  No, I think so. Well, I think with it, motherhood is one of those things that there's such an expectation. And in my experience is that everyone has a totally different experience. And a totally different set of ways that they mother. And for me, it's always been about. Well, my ambition didn't disappear when I had kids. In fact, I remember having Gray and feeling like the most ambitious I ever was. When I sat in that hospital bed, cause I was like, well, now I know what it's all for. Now I've got this like. Living, breathing, human being that's gonna rely on me. And so I was like, get me out of this bed. I've got to get back to work. But I think on the mothering thing, like, I'm really honest. I talk, I think about myself as like a three hour mum. It's like. I'm really great for about three hours. And after that, I'm kinda over it, like.

• 17:39Speaker 07

  Noon on a Saturday, I'm like, I'm ready to do my own thing. And that's just. My choice and that's just the way that I feel. And I think a lot of people feel guilted into feeling like. Every waking hour that they need to be somehow in service of their kids. It's like. I just don't feel like that. And I also think kids are super. Resilient, like my job is not to usher them through life and figure out everything for them. It's like. We're here together, I'm in an experience and. They need to see me. I think that, you know, we, we mostly think. About raising our kids and leading by example, right? It's like you, you, you behave a way that you want your kids to behave. If you're empathetic, they're gonna be empathetic. If you're a good person.

• 18:20Speaker 07

  Chances are they will model that behaviour. And so me being ambitious, me being. Unashamed about what it is that's important to me. I think it's just teaching them to prioritise. What they really wanna do. So I don't get that like pang of guilt about it, cause I'm like, this is just. Us being honest with each other.

• 18:37Jessie Ware?

  Have your kids. Told you what they wanna be when they're older? Do they wanna be CEOs?

• 18:41Speaker 07

  No, do you know what? It's so funny. So my, it's, it's actually really funny. My oldest son is one hundred percent gonna be in some kind of creative business. But if you ask my daughter, I'm always like, do you wanna come and like, you know, come to the office and be with mommy? And she's like. No, thank you. I wanna write my own story.

• 18:57Jessie Ware?

  Oh, is that the eight year old?

• 18:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, the eight year old. She's fierce, like really, really fierce. So I don't think that they're going to do. Anything like what I do. I think they're really like individual and very independent kids.

• 19:10Jessie Ware?

  Can we talk about your, your, um, growing up? You were raised by your mum.

• 19:16Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:16Jessie Ware?

  And in East London.

• 19:18Speaker 07

  That's right.

• 19:18Jessie Ware?

  And, and what did she, mum said that she, she, she worked for Morgan Stanley, was it?

• 19:23Speaker 07

  Yes, she did, absolutely. My mum was a banker, so she, it's really interesting, actually. Because she started her career as a window dresser, so she was a creative person. And I think she just ended up in banking because. She needed something that was secure and she needed something that felt like her version of like. This is what you're supposed to do when you're a grown up. And I don't think she felt like she could. Rely on a creative career, like as in those days, it just wasn't so. Defined and so solid. And so she thought like working in a bank was what you do when you're like a responsible mum of four kids. And I don't know that she had that much. Choice. She just, you know, like a lot of people fell into a job and went with that job and went with the momentum and.

• 20:04Speaker 07

  Ended up at Morgan Stanley. She made a great living, but I think it was a very hard place to be like in banking. Thirty years ago as like a, you know, a woman.

• 20:12Speaker 06

  A woman, yeah.

• 20:14Speaker 07

  Sausage party in there.

• 20:17Speaker 07

  Full of willies, mum.

• 20:20Speaker 06

  Is that what you're calling? That's a good one.

• 20:23Speaker 07

  It is. It would, but it would otherwise sound like a party we would definitely wanna be at, cause I love a sausage. Love. I have two sausages every morning when I'm in England.

• 20:32Speaker 06

  Do you?

• 20:32Speaker 07

  Yeah, and brown sauce. That's my breakfast every day.

• 20:35Jessie Ware?

  You know what? I have to say, I think that, I I'm sure you're gonna say you're HP girl because like, I mean. However, may I just put in front of you the Simon Rogan, who is an amazing chef. Um, his brown sauce, it is a different texture. And it's slightly sweeter, but it's heaven on earth.

• 20:52Speaker 07

  Like, different texture, like.

• 20:54Jessie Ware?

  It's in a jar.

• 20:55Speaker 07

  Oh, okay. Oh, like, so it's harder?

• 20:57Jessie Ware?

  It's a bit hard, a bit firmer.

• 20:59Speaker 07

  I'm not gonna, you know, fully step in and endorse it or anything. It's been HP, it's HP.

• 21:04Jessie Ware?

  HP's, I've just got.

• 21:05Speaker 07

  It's classic. Also, do you know what? I really enjoy the way that looks.

• 21:09Jessie Ware?

  Me too.

• 21:11Speaker 06

  Hasn't it got the Houses of Parliament on the front?

• 21:14Speaker 07

  I think you're right. I think you're right. Very English.

• 21:17Speaker 06

  I wondered if it was that.

• 21:18Jessie Ware?

  Well, I didn't know this.

• 21:22Jessie Ware?

  That's a great pub quiz question.

• 21:24Speaker 07

  Not Houses, Houses of Parliament.

• 21:26Jessie Ware?

  I'm like a white, hold on, hang on.

• 21:30Jessie Ware?

  What?

• 21:30Speaker 07

  Is HP what it stands for? Please, no. Whole lives.

• 21:36Speaker 06

  Got the Houses of Parliament on the front.

• 21:40Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 21:41Jessie Ware?

  No, that's such good trivia, Mum.

• 21:43Speaker 07

  I need to leave immediately. That's a lot of information for me right now. How have I eaten that my whole life?

• 21:51Jessie Ware?

  No one saw Big Ben.

• 21:52Speaker 07

  With zero curiosity for what it actually stands for either.

• 21:55Jessie Ware?

  That is very.

• 21:56Speaker 07

  No, seriously.

• 21:57Speaker 06

  I'm impressed.

• 21:58Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 21:58Speaker 06

  The breadth of my knowledge is incredible.

• 22:01Speaker 07

  By you after the Swedish Ibiza story, but now.

• 22:04Jessie Ware?

  Actually, let's talk about some other sources if we.

• 22:07Speaker 07

  Please, can we?

• 22:08Jessie Ware?

  Okay, so we watched, we're recording this the day after your episode of Dragons Den went out. You're a guest judge again and you invested in two brothers.

• 22:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, the best.

• 22:20Jessie Ware?

  Lumberjacks.

• 22:22Speaker 07

  Lumberjacks.

• 22:23Speaker 06

  They're so sweet.

• 22:24Jessie Ware?

  One of them.

• 22:25Speaker 07

  Bless they.

• 22:26Speaker 06

  Just so sweet.

• 22:27Jessie Ware?

  What was the ginger one called?

• 22:29Speaker 07

  Jaden.

• 22:30Jessie Ware?

  Jaden.

• 22:30Speaker 07

  They're just the best.

• 22:31Jessie Ware?

  Jaden's not the 21 year old.

• 22:32Speaker 07

  Wait a minute. Jaden and Brendan. Brendan's the oldest one.

• 22:35Jessie Ware?

  Who just sobbed the whole time. So sweet.

• 22:38Speaker 07

  But he looked.

• 22:38Jessie Ware?

  He's a father of five.

• 22:40Speaker 06

  He's 31.

• 22:41Jessie Ware?

  Maybe he was just tired.

• 22:44Speaker 07

  I don't believe in this kid. No, I have to tell you, I mean, first of all, their pitch, they're exactly the reason to do a show.

• 22:51Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 22:51Speaker 07

  Dragons, right? Because you're talking about two boys raised by a single mum.

• 22:55Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 22:56Speaker 07

  There's four brothers. They are just unbelievable.

• 23:00Speaker 06

  The energy from the younger one.

• 23:01Speaker 07

  Could you feel it? So smart.

• 23:03Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 23:03Speaker 07

  I mean, so smart and so informed.

• 23:06Speaker 06

  So little opportunity as well.

• 23:08Speaker 07

  Well, that's the whole point. I mean, and you look at what they've done. They put £100 each into this brand and they are foodies. They grew up with a grandad that was obsessed with barbecuing, fighting over bits of chicken.

• 23:18Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 23:18Speaker 07

  And so when it came to starting a business, the whole thing was like, this is what we know. And this is like, we want to make it like easy.

• 23:25Jessie Ware?

  This is different branding. Emma, Emma got her way.

• 23:29Speaker 07

  I went straight in.

• 23:30Jessie Ware?

  Emma, you went, you said.

• 23:32Speaker 07

  We've got to make that look relevant for today's audience. And listen, they are experts when it comes to food and flavour profiles. And I think a lot of entrepreneurs believe they have to be good at everything and you very rarely are.

• 23:42Speaker 06

  Use a knife, Dom.

• 23:43Speaker 07

  I think they're amazing because they actually listened and they were like, you know what, Emma, you're right. And look at this.

• 23:48Jessie Ware?

  It looks better.

• 23:48Speaker 07

  Look at this. This is going to jump off a supermarket shelf.

• 23:51Jessie Ware?

  He's just now got a brown beer instead of ginger.

• 23:54Speaker 07

  I risked to hold him.

• 23:55Jessie Ware?

  You restored him, you gave him the glow up.

• 23:57Speaker 07

  But how gorgeous is this?

• 23:59Speaker 06

  Has he still got a plaid shirt on?

• 24:00Speaker 07

  He actually does, for sure. I've been with him a couple of days this week.

• 24:03Speaker 06

  And have they moved their premises to a bigger place?

• 24:06Speaker 07

  Well, they're doing a couple of things, because you have to find, they've got to find a lot of distribution. And he is hoping that, you know, Sainsbury's, Waitrose, Asda, Morrison's, wherever you are, everybody, come and knock on my door, because these guys need to be in a major supermarket. And that is what I'm excited about.

• 24:21Jessie Ware?

  Are you gonna be using the Louisiana Cajun and the Cajun mac and cheese bag?

• 24:25Speaker 07

  A thousand percent. But you know, the one I love is the Moonshine Magic.

• 24:29Jessie Ware?

  I like that name.

• 24:30Speaker 07

  That is.

• 24:30Jessie Ware?

  I like that.

• 24:31Speaker 06

  What is in that?

• 24:32Jessie Ware?

  This is the mango one?

• 24:33Speaker 07

  And they go, yeah, so it's like a really gorgeous, like fruity, spicy, have a little. And that's actually the biggest seller.

• 24:42Jessie Ware?

  Oh, really?

• 24:42Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's the top seller, which is actually so interesting. But you know, it's like, I love the tins. I love what they do. They're really great flavors.

• 24:49Jessie Ware?

  Oh, that is good.

• 24:50Speaker 07

  It's good, no?

• 24:51Jessie Ware?

  Oh, like, mm.

• 24:52Speaker 07

  And they go really good on a bit of fish or on a bit of chicken.

• 24:56Jessie Ware?

  It is good. It is good.

• 25:01Speaker 06

  I'd definitely put that on chicken.

• 25:02Speaker 07

  You'd definitely put it on chicken. And it's so nice, because these are clean. Because what you have to imagine, like, a lot of seasonings are full of fillers. If you can't read the ingredients on the back, we know we shouldn't have it. And there's very little salt content, very little sugar content, all natural ingredients. No fillers, no stabilizers, no nothing in there.

• 25:18Jessie Ware?

  No, that is, that is remarkable.

• 25:20Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 25:20Speaker 06

  What were you eating when you were growing up? So your mum was working full time.

• 25:25Speaker 07

  I cooked for the kids.

• 25:26Speaker 06

  You cooked for everyone. Are you the oldest?

• 25:28Speaker 07

  I am. I'm the oldest of four.

• 25:29Speaker 06

  Of four? And was your dad around at all?

• 25:33Speaker 07

  He was not around at all. You know, I rekindled with my dad in my kind of late teens. So maybe like 18, 19, but he wasn't present for my childhood. Now we're great friends. He calls me every week on a Sunday just before lunch, you know, chats to my kids. Um, but I didn't grow up with him. But I did have, like, a lot of, you know, my dad's black, my mum's white. And I had a lot of people around me in terms of like friends of my mum's that really kind of kept that culture and especially that food culture in my life. And so for For me, that's like a huge part of like what I love.

• 26:08Speaker 06

  So where was he, from the Caribbean?

• 26:10Speaker 07

  Yes, absolutely. My dad is actually Trinidadian.

• 26:13Speaker 06

  Oh, wow.

• 26:13Speaker 07

  Yeah, who's Trinidadian.

• 26:14Speaker 06

  Does he sound like that?

• 26:15Speaker 07

  No, he doesn't. He sounds like a bloke from East London. He's been here his whole life.

• 26:19Speaker 06

  Oh, I love that Trinidad.

• 26:20Speaker 07

  Yes, I know, it's a good, it's like a sing-song accent. It's one of the best Caribbean accents.

• 26:25Speaker 06

  It's the best, I think.

• 26:26Speaker 07

  It's so true.

• 26:27Speaker 06

  And you just think of cricket whenever you hear it, really, that beautiful accent.

• 26:31Speaker 07

  It's very true.

• 26:32Speaker 06

  So he wasn't, he never even visited?

• 26:34Speaker 07

  No, you know, it's so interesting because you always wonder, you know, my mum and dad broke up when I was like five or six. And, you know, there was messy. It was not like a kind, loving, you know, what do they call it now? They did not uncon- consciously uncouple. Yeah. That was not it. They very consciously, very traumatically uncoupled and scarred the shit out of all of us. Um, having said that, I, you know, my mum was like a very, very, very strong, and still is, a very, very, very strong person. So I never felt like this big gaping hole of not having a dad. I had a grandad, I had my uncles, I had a lot of like men, male figures around me. And I honestly, you know, I was very, very happy to like reunite with my dad.

• 27:16Speaker 06

  Culturally, food-wise, you were eating English food, you weren't eating.

• 27:20Speaker 07

  A bit of a mixture, actually, because my mum's.

• 27:22Speaker 06

  Is your mum any good at cooking from a daddy?

• 27:24Speaker 07

  She's really not a good cook. My mum's not good at cooking English food, quite frankly. She's like a two-dish person.

• 27:29Speaker 06

  She wasn't gonna branch out.

• 27:30Speaker 07

  She actually, she can cook jerk chicken and she can do an Irish stew. Yeah.

• 27:34Speaker 06

  Do you have a good, do you have a good recipe for jerk? Because I don't like very hot.

• 27:40Speaker 07

  Oh, I.

• 27:40Speaker 06

  And I like Dun's River, the powder.

• 27:42Speaker 07

  Oh, you do?

• 27:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:43Speaker 07

  No, I've taken a paste fresh. They do, they do. And it's, and it's, and it's very good. But I never liked the sauce because, you know, so first I should say that I grew up with a Jamaican stepfather. And I learned to cook jerk from my step-grandad, if you like. But it was always about a paste, like you make a paste in a blender.

• 28:02Speaker 06

  And I've had the.

• 28:03Speaker 07

  Very hot.

• 28:04Speaker 06

  I had to give it away to you because the paste was so hot, it made my eyes, I couldn't even eat it.

• 28:09Speaker 07

  No, you can't even, I, you know, as a kid, I remember the mistake of like putting your face like in the thing to.

• 28:15Speaker 06

  Just smelling it, the Scotch bonnet will take your head off.

• 28:19Jessie Ware?

  Whereabouts were you in East London?

• 28:21Speaker 07

  We were in Plasto.

• 28:22Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 28:22Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 28:23Jessie Ware?

  Um, so a memorable meal from your childhood.

• 28:26Speaker 07

  I'm getting worried now.

• 28:28Jessie Ware?

  Would it, would it be the Irish stew or the jerk chicken, or would it be something that you made for everybody that was a winner?

• 28:33Speaker 07

  I think it would probably be something, I would say that, wouldn't I? It'd probably be something that I made. I mean, we grew up like, you know, very simple. It was all like bacon sandwiches with cheese on toast and like chicken rice and salad. It was like very, very simple. And like as a treat, you'd have a spaghetti bolognese or a roast dinner. Like those were the things that I grew up having and a lot of takeaways.

• 28:55Jessie Ware?

  Really?

• 28:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, a lot. Like we loved a Chinese, we loved an Indian, it was like.

• 29:00Speaker 06

  What's your Chinese order?

• 29:02Speaker 07

  That is probably my go-to meal of life. I like crispy aromatic duck, you know, with pancakes and a plum sauce. That just to me is like

• 29:10Speaker 06

  Delicious.

• 29:10Speaker 07

  The absolute best thing. And you know, I'd like an egg fried rice and I want a wonton soup and it's like, I want the prawn crackers and chicken chow mein, like the whole thing. I need like the whole shebang. And that's the problem of living in America. You can't get that kind of Chinese food.

• 29:23Jessie Ware?

  Can you?

• 29:23Speaker 07

  No, it's just different. It doesn't, well, it just, of course it, you probably can, I should correct myself. It just doesn't taste like I want it to taste. I want it to taste like the Chinese, like English takeaway from the Forest Gate Roundabout. You know, like that's what I need with curry sauce in a polystyrene cup, not a fancy Chinese.

• 29:42Speaker 06

  I was always touched when you look in the supermarkets, you can get Chinese curry sauce.

• 29:47Jessie Ware?

  You can.

• 29:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, you can buy Chinese curry sauce to put, make your Chi- your Chinese curry chicken.

• 29:53Jessie Ware?

  The supermarket.

• 29:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, I need to do another supermarket run.

• 29:56Speaker 06

  Funny because it must emanate from being in takeaways.

• 30:00Jessie Ware?

  In takeaways, for sure, a hundred percent. I missed your seat at, seat at the table. I know, I still wanted you there. Yeah, and thank you for the invite.

• 30:08Speaker 07

  Of course.

• 30:09Jessie Ware?

  I would love to know about how that started and also. Well, who who do you decide to uh who do you decide to invite and also cuisine wise, how do you go with like the the meals? So is it can you explain to people that don't know what your seat at the table is?

• 30:24Speaker 07

  Absolutely. So I mean, honestly, the the basic premise was that when you are a young founder and you know, or like, you know, a young person starting their career, you're never really invited anywhere that's useful. And suddenly you get successful. And much like you, everyone invites you everywhere and you either don't really wanna go or you're too busy. And so the premise of a seat at the table was for me to bring together people that are just getting started, founders that are just on their way, that might have certain questions about what they're doing. And a lot of very, very established women. And when I say established women, I mean those that are established in their career, but also my network, my lawyers, my managers, people that, you know, have helped me get through tricky situations, people that wanna invest in female funded and led businesses.

• 31:09Speaker 07

  And so it's really about bringing a group of people together that can be useful to one another, because I have this theory that women spend a lot of time thinking about networking, but it's not networking that makes you successful. It's knowing how to use the network, knowing how to use people to your advantage. And I think men do that much more easily than women do. And I'm doing a big sweeping, massive generalization on purpose, because I'm trying to constantly say to people, it's okay to ask for stuff, it's okay to not know. And women, you know, in that pursuit of kind of perfection, always feeling like you need to be the best at everything, and certainly you shouldn't show your weaknesses or when you're not good or you don't know something. We try to do everything in businesses. And it's like, no, you shouldn't be everything. You should be

• 31:53Speaker 07

  the best podcaster in the world. And then you should use other people to figure out what are the, you know, selling of the ads look like. You wouldn't like try to light and film your own podcast any more than you should try to go out and raise the finance for it. So it's really about extending the natural networks of women so that they can be successful and get shit done. Sorry, I keep tapping on the table.

• 32:16Jessie Ware?

  No, you're gestural and I love it.

• 32:18Speaker 07

  Um, and honestly, what what I try to do, because I've done them in New York and in L A and in London, I'm really trying to force a conversation. And so at the start of those dinners, I actually tell everyone, like, the purpose today is for you to get to know each other, but to be honest about that. Where are you getting stuck? Like, what are your problems right now? Because there will be someone in the room that's either been there or is willing to help you. Um. And then when you set that up, when that's the intention, what happens is like magic in the room and everybody speaks like. Two nights ago, when we did this, I think I had like forty five people in the room. I reckon twenty five of them stood up and spoke. And then there was a lot of private conversations going on. No one just stays at the table. So it's just a really

• 33:00Speaker 07

  lovely thing that I started. And actually, what I've seen is like, people are really making them work for them. Like, they actually like get in that room and all these like friendships happen. And I'm like, that's exactly what I wanted. I wanted women to get together and actually figure out.

• 33:15Jessie Ware?

  Wow, mom.

• 33:16Speaker 07

  How they help each other.

• 33:17Jessie Ware?

  That looks gorgeous.

• 33:20Speaker 07

  That looks insane.

• 33:22Jessie Ware?

  Is it mango?

• 33:23Speaker 07

  Oh my god, can I just, it smells amazing.

• 33:27Jessie Ware?

  Mum, and this is before you knew about the old moonshine magic, which is like chili, is that mango? Or is it potato?

• 33:34Speaker 07

  Oh my god, I'm so excited. There's no way I'm eating the shit on the plane now, am I?

• 33:38Jessie Ware?

  We don't need your curry now, babes, do you? Well, it's a long flight. What are you gonna be watching on the plane?

• 33:44Speaker 07

  Oh, I'm just gonna go to sleep.

• 33:47Jessie Ware?

  You're gonna sleep?

• 33:47Speaker 07

  I sleep and then I work. I always do it that way around because on a long flight like that, if you try to work while you're tired, you're just not doing the best job. So it's like, I'll sleep.

• 33:55Jessie Ware?

  There is loads of juice.

• 33:57Speaker 07

  I'll bang it out for four hours.

• 33:59Jessie Ware?

  You don't just have that time to just switch off. You're always on.

• 34:04Speaker 07

  Yes, that's the honest truth. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm not gonna lie to you. I think that there's, there's a trade off with all of these things, you know, and you, you have to, you have to be willing to do what other people won't do. And you've got to be willing to take a lot of shit that other people won't. And you know, so I, I think that we shouldn't, um, we shouldn't lie about these things. Yeah, I work too much. I do a lot and I'm probably not as rested as I could. But on the flip side of that, I really have an amazing life and I, I love what I do and I'm really happy to be in the position that I am.

• 34:34Jessie Ware?

  Have you, have you ever reached burnout?

• 34:37Speaker 07

  Um, honestly, no, because I'm too selfish and that's the truth. I stop myself. I've, I've been knackered. Oh, yes, please. Um, I've been absolutely at that, at that breaking point, but I think I know myself enough to pull it back. And I think that would have happened to me when I was younger. But certainly now, it's like, I schedule.

• 34:57Speaker 06

  Emma, which bit of chicken do you want?

• 34:59Speaker 07

  Oh, may I have a leg, please? Thank you. Or any brown meat, like I'll do a thigh, I'll do whatever comes out.

• 35:06Jessie Ware?

  Um, so you said, schedule self-care?

• 35:08Speaker 07

  I really do.

• 35:09Jessie Ware?

  Every day?

• 35:10Speaker 07

  Every single day. I'm a meditator.

• 35:12Jessie Ware?

  What kind of meditation do you do?

• 35:14Speaker 07

  Transcendental meditation.

• 35:15Jessie Ware?

  My friend wants me, he, for my fortieth, he said that, um, he thinks it would be life-changing for me, so I need to do the course.

• 35:22Speaker 07

  I think it's life-changing. I did the course. Me and my husband did four days.

• 35:26Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 35:27Speaker 07

  Um, thank you very, very, very much.

• 35:30Jessie Ware?

  Thank you, Mum. So you and your husband learnt for four days?

• 35:33Speaker 07

  Yeah, we did.

• 35:34Jessie Ware?

  Was it a full-time course?

• 35:35Speaker 07

  No. Um, somebody comes to your house and it's very, like, ritualistic. And it's for a few hours, but it actually really, because I've been meditating for a long time. But not, and let, let me just be honest about the transcendental. You're supposed to do four, like, two twenty-minute sessions a day. So people are gonna be like, Emma, you're not transcendental meditation, because you're only doing one session. I do twenty minutes in the morning and sometimes, maybe every ten days, I get the second twenty minutes in.

• 36:02Jessie Ware?

  You could do it on the plane today, though, couldn't you?

• 36:03Speaker 07

  Exactly. And so things like that, I, I would do it on the plane, or if it's a weekend, maybe I fit the second session in, but it's, it's hard for me to get the second session.

• 36:11Speaker 06

  What's it like?

• 36:11Jessie Ware?

  Delicious, Mum.

• 36:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's lovely. Absolutely. Oh, and this has got a bit of spice in it. You don't not like spice?

• 36:16Speaker 06

  I know, she's got a lot of.

• 36:18Jessie Ware?

  Well, yeah, she, but Mum, tell, is it Ravinda Bogle?

• 36:21Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 36:22Jessie Ware?

  Shout out Ravinda.

• 36:22Speaker 07

  Absolutely.

• 36:23Speaker 06

  Have you ever eaten a

• 36:24Speaker 07

  Delicious.

• 36:25Speaker 06

  Jhakoni?

• 36:26Speaker 07

  No, I haven't. Is it delicious?

• 36:27Jessie Ware?

  It's amazing. You've gotta go.

• 36:29Speaker 07

  Where is it?

• 36:30Jessie Ware?

  In Marylebone, just near Chiltern.

• 36:32Speaker 06

  Kind of coconut.

• 36:34Speaker 07

  Oh, what's that other Indian restaurant that I love in Marylebone? Trishna.

• 36:37Jessie Ware?

  Oh, I've never been.

• 36:38Speaker 07

  Oh, my god, guys, it's amazing.

• 36:40Jessie Ware?

  What's that?

• 36:40Speaker 06

  Hmm. So it's done with coconut milk?

• 36:44Speaker 07

  Oh, it's absolutely.

• 36:45Speaker 06

  It's really lovely, Mum.

• 36:46Speaker 07

  Can I tell you, it's absolutely delicious. I'm not joking.

• 36:49Speaker 06

  Mmm.

• 36:49Speaker 07

  This is yum.

• 36:51Jessie Ware?

  Mmm. Have you eaten well whilst you've been here?

• 36:53Speaker 07

  Mmm. I really have. I always go back to all my favourite restaurants.

• 36:58Jessie Ware?

  What's your favourite restaurant?

• 36:59Speaker 07

  You know, I'm a classic person. I like Scott's.

• 37:02Jessie Ware?

  Oh, Scott's, the fish restaurant.

• 37:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, because I feel like the fish is so good in England. Last night I went to Arlington, which is like a great.

• 37:08Jessie Ware?

  Oh, that's a new spot, isn't it?

• 37:09Speaker 07

  It's a new spot, but all the old recipes, you know, all the stuff that we love.

• 37:14Jessie Ware?

  Great.

• 37:14Speaker 07

  Um, which was delicious.

• 37:15Jessie Ware?

  So when you get back home,

• 37:17Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:17Jessie Ware?

  what will be, what will be the first thing that you cook?

• 37:20Speaker 07

  Probably an omelette. I'm one of these people that just loves an egg, in any form.

• 37:25Jessie Ware?

  Babe, I wrote a food memoir called Omelette.

• 37:28Speaker 07

  Really?

• 37:28Jessie Ware?

  Yes, I did.

• 37:29Speaker 07

  And then a good omelette is a, is a thing of beauty, you know?

• 37:33Jessie Ware?

  Now, are you one that likes to kind of almost scramble it first? And you make like, almost like a kind of a Japanese slash French should.

• 37:40Speaker 07

  I do it like the chefs do. I do like a semi scr- a semi scramble.

• 37:44Jessie Ware?

  Semi scrambled.

• 37:44Speaker 07

  And then I let it pull together and I'm not an overcooker and I'm a folder. Yeah, do you know what? I've tried. I cannot. I do a wooden spoon.

• 37:54Jessie Ware?

  A wooden spoon, not even a spatula?

• 37:56Speaker 07

  A wooden spoon. Isn't that insane? Every time someone sees me do it, they're like, what are you doing? I do a wooden spoon.

• 38:02Jessie Ware?

  And it works.

• 38:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, and I have the most rank old wooden spoons as well, that you'd look at and be like, what is living in your wooden spoons?

• 38:08Jessie Ware?

  And what, what, um, what?

• 38:09Speaker 07

  I won't let them go.

• 38:10Jessie Ware?

  What frying pan are you using?

• 38:11Speaker 07

  I'm using like a lovely, I have like copper pans. Um, I like a copper pan for an omelette. But, you know, I'll go in some like non-stick thing that my, you know, whatever.

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• 40:33Speaker 07

  Can I tell you what is the magnificence of this curry that we're eating? The potatoes. Do you like that? Oh, they are like cooked to perfection. I also like that you've left them in such big pieces. What are we talking about? What is this recipe?

• 40:49Jessie Ware?

  So Ravinda Bogle is one of our... She's been on our podcast. She's amazing. She's the one... She's the one that we want you to go to the restaurant, Giacconi.

• 40:56Speaker 07

  I will, 100%.

• 40:57Jessie Ware?

  She's amazing.

• 40:58Speaker 07

  This is what I'm in for.

• 40:59Jessie Ware?

  She makes... She calls it immigrant home cooking. And she's... So it's... And she'll do the most... One of the sexiest starters in London, which is a prawn scotch egg with banana ketchup. It's unbelievable.

• 41:10Speaker 07

  Sorry, I'm sorry. One second. What happened?

• 41:12Jessie Ware?

  Delicious. Corn, Scotch egg, so instead of the sausage, that's like mince corn.

• 41:17Speaker 07

  Corn on the outside.

• 41:18Jessie Ware?

  With an egg and then a banana ketchup. It's, yeah, stunning. She's amazing.

• 41:23Speaker 07

  Why has nobody told me?

• 41:25Jessie Ware?

  She's amazing.

• 41:26Speaker 07

  Oh my god, that's, that's insane.

• 41:27Jessie Ware?

  Do you always say?

• 41:28Speaker 07

  I also love a Scotch egg.

• 41:30Jessie Ware?

  Me too.

• 41:30Speaker 07

  When a Scotch egg is good. What is that pub that's like right by Scots, like on Mount Street? Is it the? Is it the?

• 41:37Speaker 06

  We went last week. So good. What is it?

• 41:40Jessie Ware?

  Mount Street Hotel, no.

• 41:42Speaker 07

  Yeah. Oh my goodness, the Scotch egg in there.

• 41:45Speaker 06

  We had it.

• 41:46Speaker 07

  You've cut it and it's perfection on the inside. It's so good.

• 41:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, we love it.

• 41:51Jessie Ware?

  Mm-hmm. So we, we, this is delicious, Ravinda. You're excellent. This is delicious, Mum. Thank you.

• 41:56Speaker 07

  It's really delicious.

• 41:57Jessie Ware?

  Um.

• 41:58Speaker 06

  Do you want some more sauce?

• 41:59Speaker 07

  I'll, I'll have another potato if it's going because I'm a carb person.

• 42:03Jessie Ware?

  Um.

• 42:04Speaker 07

  I don't feel like I've eaten unless there's like a mixture of carbs in there.

• 42:07Jessie Ware?

  Um, we ask everybody their last supper.

• 42:10Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:11Jessie Ware?

  So you've got a starter, main, pudding, drink of choice.

• 42:14Speaker 07

  All right, start. Okay, so I've already spoken about my love of Chinese food, but I guess. Oh my god, I don't know that my last supper would actually go together.

• 42:26Jessie Ware?

  It doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter.

• 42:26Speaker 07

  Does it not matter? It can just be like my favourite, like my absolute favourite thing. All right, so. I'm gonna, because I'm dyslexic, I'm gonna do it all the wrong way around.

• 42:33Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 42:34Speaker 07

  Probably would be curry goat, rice and peas and fried plantains. Like, that would be.

• 42:40Jessie Ware?

  That's the main?

• 42:41Speaker 07

  That would make me so happy. That would be my main. Then, I would have a jam roly poly, you know, like the suet pudding, like old school, out of the oven. Oh, no ice cream, no custard, controversial. I don't want anything. Maybe some extra thick double cream from Marks and Spencer's, though, like not anywhere else. That, that, that combination.

• 43:02Jessie Ware?

  Where have you had this that you've loved it?

• 43:04Speaker 07

  All right, so let me just tell you, Marks and Spencer's used to do in a packet, you know, like they do the chocolate puddings, they used to do it that way and like in a, in a packet that you put in the oven for like thirty minutes and it would be crusty. But then suet and squidgy on the inside and like loads of like raspberry jam. They don't do it anymore. So I learned to cook it. A suet pudding is not an easy feat. And I've never quite got it to where I want it, but it is delicious. It's like a good dessert. And then the starter. What would I have as a starter? Honestly, you know, I like, I'm a, I'm a cured meat girl, like I do like a good, like if the parma ham is perfect. And like the melon is perfect and the like, you know, it's like, that's a kind of.

• 43:50Speaker 07

  I used to work in a deli as a kid.

• 43:52Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:53Speaker 07

  And so I learned all about the different salamis, the different meats. I would have to slice more to deli, it used to make me feel like.

• 43:58Jessie Ware?

  Oh, it's not gorgeous cooking, is it?

• 44:00Speaker 07

  But I like the, I, I liked the, like, you know, the whole thing of all the different meats. So I'd probably do a like charcuterie board, mixed. Some lardo, some delicious salami, I'd really get into it, it'd be very, it's a heavy meal.

• 44:15Speaker 07

  I'm basically dying.

• 44:16Jessie Ware?

  That's fine. Um, and then, um, drink, do you drink?

• 44:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, I love a drink.

• 44:22Jessie Ware?

  What's your drink of choice?

• 44:23Speaker 07

  Red wine, I love an Italian, but you know, like a punch in the face. I don't want a pinot noir or like, I want a Barolo or a babaresco.

• 44:33Jessie Ware?

  Pulgiano.

• 44:34Speaker 07

  All the things. I can do a Bordeaux, but I really like Italian ones, juicy. Heavy.

• 44:41Jessie Ware?

  Have you had to deal with a lot of pinot noir in your time in the States?

• 44:45Speaker 07

  Love a pinot noir on a plane, don't they? Like, it's always that pinot or chardonnay, and I'm like, neither.

• 44:51Speaker 06

  Do you keep your skins on, skins on when you're eating? Or do you have to take them off to get?

• 44:57Speaker 07

  One hundred percent. I will be really honest, I'm not like a shapewear everyday girl, I'm a shapewear occasion girl. But I wear Skims undies, fits everybody, every single day.

• 45:08Jessie Ware?

  I'm gonna put it out there, Skims, God bless Skims that they came along and saved me with the shapewear. I wear their bras, like, oh, I've got kind of little, these ones, they're so good. I love them. I haven't got Skims, um, shorts on.

• 45:23Speaker 06

  Did you know you're gonna be eating a lot?

• 45:26Jessie Ware?

  No, but that's fine, it doesn't, yeah, it's fine.

• 45:28Speaker 06

  It expands with you.

• 45:29Jessie Ware?

  They're fine.

• 45:30Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 45:31Speaker 07

  There's different levels to the shapewear, you know, you've got the, and then you've got the.

• 45:35Speaker 06

  The ones I've had, I've had to not breathe to get them on.

• 45:39Jessie Ware?

  Well, that's because you're Spanx.

• 45:41Speaker 07

  I mean, I didn't say that.

• 45:41Jessie Ware?

  Oh, so skim. Listen.

• 45:43Speaker 07

  It's a new generation, I'll, I'll hook you up, don't you worry.

• 45:46Jessie Ware?

  It, skims is the greatest, the greatest gift, it was the greatest gift to all my friends who are teachers or don't, have never really had to wear shapewear as much as I have. And they wore it for my fortieth and they, and I said, just get yourself some bloody skims. And I went through it and they were like, what is this sorcery?

• 46:02Speaker 06

  So would it, so it's not the same as wearing.

• 46:05Jessie Ware?

  It's just better.

• 46:06Speaker 06

  It's just better.

• 46:07Speaker 07

  So you don't have to not, because I'm always worried when I'm pushing everything in, it's not gonna go somewhere.

• 46:13Jessie Ware?

  No, no, no, it, it sucks it in and sometimes, sometimes your belly that was the lower belly, sometimes, sometimes you then have.

• 46:20Speaker 06

  It's higher.

• 46:21Speaker 07

  I don't know, look, it doesn't go up to your throat.

• 46:23Jessie Ware?

  Absolutely not. Promise you.

• 46:26Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 46:26Jessie Ware?

  Oh my god, mum, that looks gorgeous.

• 46:29Speaker 07

  What now? What is that? What is this?

• 46:32Jessie Ware?

  Do you need another cup of tea to go with this?

• 46:34Speaker 07

  Oh my god, yeah, maybe. I mean, I don't want to keep your mum just moving the whole time.

• 46:38Jessie Ware?

  No, yeah, thank you, mum.

• 46:39Speaker 07

  But go on.

• 46:40Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, um, babe, should we put the, uh, the kettle on, please?

• 46:42Speaker 07

  What, what are you setting up? Thank you, darling.

• 46:46Speaker 06

  Um, it's, I forgot what to do. It's, um, a yogurt cake with orange and lemon.

• 46:54Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 46:54Speaker 06

  And yogurt and orange curd with yogurt.

• 46:58Speaker 07

  Help yourself to fruit.

• 46:59Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I will, thank you. Another delicious mouthful. Mum, you've absolutely killed the cooking today.

• 47:07Speaker 07

  No, no. First of all, the sauce situation on the top is heaven.

• 47:12Speaker 06

  It's gorgeous, isn't it?

• 47:13Speaker 07

  With that little crunchy almond, I also love it that it's not too sweet, because I love dessert. But I kind of like a, I don't wanna say savoury, like just not a crazy sweet dessert, you know.

• 47:23Jessie Ware?

  No.

• 47:23Speaker 07

  I'd rather have a piece of bread than a, yes, sweet, sweet, sweet thing.

• 47:27Jessie Ware?

  This is absolutely heaven. Whose recipe is this?

• 47:31Speaker 06

  Yotam.

• 47:31Jessie Ware?

  Yotam. Oh, we love.

• 47:33Speaker 07

  My favourite. One of the things I miss most in England is otter lengi.

• 47:38Speaker 06

  So, he says to make the orange curd, I bought Delsford Organic and mixed it with the yoghurt.

• 47:44Jessie Ware?

  You're forgiven.

• 47:46Speaker 06

  I think that's okay.

• 47:47Jessie Ware?

  That's very Noro Ephron of you.

• 47:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, and it's clementine as well, not orange.

• 47:51Jessie Ware?

  I still think it's nice. We're enjoying it. This is amazing, Mum.

• 47:55Speaker 07

  Mm, this is, it's honestly so delicious. Yeah, amazing.

• 48:00Jessie Ware?

  Um, so you're gonna make an omelette when you get home?

• 48:04Speaker 07

  I will definitely make an omelette.

• 48:05Jessie Ware?

  What will be in the omelette?

• 48:09Speaker 07

  I don't put anything in.

• 48:10Jessie Ware?

  No cheese, nothing?

• 48:11Speaker 07

  No.

• 48:14Speaker 07

  Because in my house, they're like, why are you making an omelette instead of making scrambled eggs? It's just a texture thing that I, I don't want anything in an omelette. And when you say that to people, they'll give you a little bit of cheese.

• 48:26Jessie Ware?

  No, thank you, sir.

• 48:28Speaker 07

  The omelette, salt, pepper, yeah.

• 48:31Jessie Ware?

  That's forgiven.

• 48:32Speaker 07

  I mean, that's what I like. That's just what I like.

• 48:36Jessie Ware?

  That's fine.

• 48:37Speaker 07

  Yeah, I don't want a ham, I definitely don't want an onion or a bit of green pepper, I'm like.

• 48:42Jessie Ware?

  You know what you want, Emma?

• 48:43Speaker 07

  I, I'm very clear about what I want.

• 48:45Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 48:46Speaker 07

  The most specific person in the world.

• 48:47Jessie Ware?

  Can your husband cook?

• 48:49Speaker 07

  No, he's a great sous chef. I mean, he can cook, but blah, you know, he's like, he's not a. When I first met him, I think I introduced him to food, you know, he's someone that thinks of food as fuel. And I'm, if I have one bad meal, it ruins my day.

• 49:01Jessie Ware?

  Mate, me too.

• 49:02Speaker 07

  So, it's just a different level. Like, he can cook a chicken, he can cook a, you know, delicious mashed potato. But he's not like winning any awards.

• 49:11Speaker 06

  Do you like a cocktail Emma?

• 49:13Speaker 07

  I love a cocktail. I love a cocktail, I love a glass of wine.

• 49:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, but what's your cocktail?

• 49:18Speaker 07

  You know, I like tequila straight, like a good nineteen forty two.

• 49:21Speaker 06

  You and Ruth Rogers?

• 49:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, because it's it's all.

• 49:23Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, mum.

• 49:24Speaker 07

  Isn't it good for you?

• 49:26Jessie Ware?

  When I, when I, when I supported Harry Styles, he left a bottle of that in my, um.

• 49:30Speaker 06

  Did you drink it?

• 49:31Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, fucking damn that shit. I didn't realise how expensive it was until I saw.

• 49:35Speaker 07

  Do you know what it's so big? I actually, it's really sweet because, um. Nineteen forty two did the cocktails for this particular dinner and they give me a beautiful bottle, which I left for my dad. Who obviously immediately like Googled it and he's like, so you know our match? This is, I was like, yes, and that's why it's a gift. Be happy.

• 49:53Jessie Ware?

  Yes, exactly. No, that's it, that's a delicious choice. Do you have it with ice or and or just?

• 49:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, but I like one block of ice, preferably. As like a ceiling, you know, it's like I want a circle of ice, one giant one.

• 50:08Speaker 06

  Where do you go for cocktails?

• 50:09Speaker 07

  That's where I keep ice.

• 50:10Jessie Ware?

  Oh, really?

• 50:11Speaker 06

  Where do you go for cocktails in LA?

• 50:13Speaker 07

  Beverly Hills Hotel or the Bel Air Hotel. Both of those have like beautiful bars that are so nice.

• 50:17Speaker 06

  In London?

• 50:19Speaker 07

  In London, I'm a Claridge's girl. I like the Fumoir in Claridge's.

• 50:23Speaker 06

  We love Clar- do you remember we used to go there as a Gordon Ramsay restaurant?

• 50:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think there still is.

• 50:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, we loved it.

• 50:29Speaker 07

  I think there still is. That's where I stay in London. It's just beautiful. It's the, it really is one of the best hotels in the world.

• 50:36Jessie Ware?

  Emma, I don't really want you to go.

• 50:37Speaker 07

  I don't wanna go. Let's just, what's next? What's our next course?

• 50:41Jessie Ware?

  No.

• 50:43Jessie Ware?

  Breakfast?

• 50:43Speaker 06

  That's it.

• 50:44Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, breakfast. Stay over. Um, thank you so much for coming on. You're completely fascinating and brilliant and inspiring. And brilliant fun and it's just been a pleasure to meet you and pick your brains about bits and bobs.

• 50:58Speaker 07

  No, I honestly, I love you both for it. This is like such an amazing dynamic and I got fed and I'm in your kitchen. I've had two cups of tea. I love that. Thank you for having me. This was amazing and delicious. Thank you.

• 51:24Speaker 06

  She's a force of nature. She's so beautiful, so much energy.

• 51:28Jessie Ware?

  So dynamic.

• 51:29Speaker 06

  And fabulous.

• 51:30Jessie Ware?

  Generous.

• 51:32Speaker 06

  She's just an absolute delight, a gorgeous woman.

• 51:35Jessie Ware?

  Food was delicious, Mum.

• 51:36Speaker 06

  Thank you, darling.

• 51:37Jessie Ware?

  10 out of 10.

• 51:38Speaker 06

  Ravinda, darling Ravinda, that was the best recipe.

• 51:42Jessie Ware?

  Where was it? Was it in The Guardian?

• 51:43Speaker 06

  Guardian.

• 51:45Jessie Ware?

  And Yotam's Delicious, that was amazing.

• 51:48Speaker 06

  Yogurt cake.

• 51:49Jessie Ware?

  I may steal that to go and give it to my mother-in-law if that's okay.

• 51:52Speaker 06

  It was so easy.

• 51:53Jessie Ware?

  That was lovely.

• 51:54Speaker 06

  You sift all the dry ingredients and then you just add the wet ingredients. And it's not made with dairy, it's olive oil. But it has got yogurt in it. Well, you could use your synthetic, your...

• 52:06Jessie Ware?

  I have cow's milk, Mum.

• 52:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, but if you wanted for a vegan, you could have put...

• 52:13Jessie Ware?

  Delicious, so delicious.

• 52:15Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 52:16Jessie Ware?

  Emma, thank you for coming on. She's off to the airport now. I don't think she's going to need to eat on the flight.

• 52:21Speaker 06

  No, I don't think she will.

• 52:23Jessie Ware?

  Do you feel like me and you should get on the old emails and laptop and start planning the next season now, Mum?

• 52:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 52:30Jessie Ware?

  A strategy for table manners.

• 52:32Speaker 06

  You can see all her energy definitely is what's the ingredients for being a successful entrepreneur and CEO. And her enthusiasm.

• 52:41Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, big fan, big fan here.

• 52:43Speaker 06

  Love her.

• 52:44Jessie Ware?

  Thank you so much and we'll see you next week.

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