Pod Insights Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware Gracie Abrams About this episode Superstar singer-songwriter Gracie Abrams pulls up a seat at the podcast table this week! Ahead of the release of her new album, we caught up with Gracie over brunch where mum whipped up a dutch baby with smoked salmon. Gracie told us about how she finds comfort in cooking while on tour, the meals she always requests when she's back home, the magic of performing live, and how she thought Taylor Swift messaging her was actually a prank! Plus, Gracie reveals the delicious caramelised leeks she’s obsessed with right now. Thank you for a lovely morning Gracie, Daughter From Hell is out on 17th July.
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0:35 Jessie Ware? Hello and welcome to Table manners. I'm Jessie Ware and we're here in Mum's kitchen today on what is going to be a very hot week in London. I just bought loads of dresses that aren't going to arrive in time for the heatwave. So that was stupid.
0:50 Speaker 02 Why did you do that?
0:50 Jessie Ware? I don't know. It was like impulse stress.
0:55 Jessie Ware? How was your weekend, Mum?
0:56 Speaker 02 I was travelling, darling.
0:57 Jessie Ware? Oh, yeah.
0:58 Speaker 02 Have you forgotten?
0:59 Jessie Ware? I actually had.
0:59 Speaker 02 Yeah, of course.
1:01 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
1:01 Speaker 02 I'm a jet lagged woman.
1:02 Jessie Ware? Oh, Mum.
1:03 Speaker 02 Not even the, I was, I was going to say jet legged because my seat didn't work on the plane.
1:10 Jessie Ware? That is so annoying.
1:11 Speaker 02 So it didn't go up and then when it went up, we managed to jack it up. We couldn't get it back down. So then when the lady put her seat back, the one in front, I couldn't get out of my seat.
1:23 Jessie Ware? Oh, my.
1:24 Speaker 02 Because my legs were up like that and I couldn't move.
1:27 Jessie Ware? I went to Harry Styles on Friday, which was really fab at Wembley Stadium.
1:31 Speaker 02 What was your best song?
1:33 Jessie Ware? I love when he does treat people with kindness. I also.
1:37 Speaker 02 He sang an old one, didn't he?
1:39 Jessie Ware? What do you mean, an old one?
1:40 Speaker 02 I don't know. They said he sang.
1:42 Jessie Ware? Also, Sign of the Times is a fantastic song.
1:45 Speaker 02 Did everyone join in?
1:47 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
1:48 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:48 Jessie Ware? And then on Saturday, Sam and I DJed at our friend's fortieth.
1:52 Speaker 02 Good.
1:52 Jessie Ware? I've got the bug, Mum. I'm going to get some decks.
1:55 Speaker 02 Are you?
1:55 Jessie Ware? And Sam, that's going to be our quality time going back to back.
1:58 Speaker 02 That could be your name, back to back. Oh, Lenny. Oh.
2:03 Jessie Ware? Anyway, today we have the superstar.
2:08 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:08 Jessie Ware? That is Gracie Abrams on the podcast. She has had such huge success in the last, what, six years with her two records. And then she had like a massive deluxe record. She is huge.
2:22 Speaker 02 Is she one of those people that all the women love and men absolutely think she's gorgeous as well?
2:29 Jessie Ware? I think also men really respect the music too. Like Salmon and I had the album on in the car on our drive back. And he was like, God, I can so imagine this all being sung at a festival and everyone like hands in the air. She kind of does euphoria and heartbreak and.
2:46 Speaker 02 She's good with words.
2:47 Jessie Ware? She's great with words, but she's like, her melodies are also just insane.
2:51 Speaker 02 Does she play an instrument?
2:52 Jessie Ware? She plays piano, guitar.
2:53 Speaker 02 Wow.
2:55 Jessie Ware? She's really talented.
2:56 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:56 Jessie Ware? And she has a new record out called Daughter From Hell and it's out in July on the 17th. So she's coming over and we're going to cook for her. Well, I'm not going to cook anything, but what have you made, Lenny?
3:07 Speaker 02 I've made a savoury Dutch baby.
3:09 Jessie Ware? Explain to people that don't know what a Dutch baby is.
3:11 Speaker 02 Baby is basically a very big Yorkshire pudding. A cross tuna Yorkshire pudding and a pancake.
3:17 Jessie Ware? Delish.
3:17 Speaker 02 And I'm going to serve it with smoked salmon, crème fraiche infused with lemon and lots of herbs in the Dutch baby and dill on top. And then I've made my mixed berry compote that you weren't very impressed with. You don't like a mixed berry compote? You thought it was a bit, mm, bit meh. Anyway, I'm serving it.
3:38 Jessie Ware? I don't know, it doesn't like make me, you know.
3:41 Speaker 02 I'm serving it with my very most favourite thing at the moment, the Marks and Spencer's vanilla cream yogurt. I could eat tubs of it. And then you've, well, you haven't, but you've.
3:52 Jessie Ware? By proxy. Yeah, by proxy, I was on cookies because mum did get in from LA yesterday. So. By proxy, my sweet Rosie has done the New York Times banana.
4:07 Speaker 02 Cookies.
4:07 Jessie Ware? Banana oat cookies.
4:08 Speaker 02 Banana everything cookies or something.
4:11 Jessie Ware? But the reason that we're doing this, because mum told me to tell Rosie to do them. Because apparently they are Gracie Abrams' favourite. She used to make them all the time, which I now I'm thinking that's a really bad idea to give somebody a cookie that they very, they know the recipe very, very well.
4:26 Speaker 02 Appreciate it, darling.
4:28 Jessie Ware? Maybe, but otherwise she'd be like, God, this is not as good as mine. Anyway, so Rosie's just driven them over. Can I just say, I didn't do it, I had a blood test this morning, I had to get there at seven o'clock. I'm very sorry, I will do the next part.
4:42 Speaker 02 Jessie, you're okay, you're not dying.
4:44 Jessie Ware? No, I'm not dying.
4:46 Speaker 02 Blood test at seven.
4:47 Jessie Ware? I had to do a blood test in a certain time in my cycle, you know, very important stuff.
4:51 Speaker 02 I don't want to know that.
4:51 Jessie Ware? You know, a woman. So, yeah, we've got quite a delicious brunchy breakfast to give Gracie Abrams this morning. Yeah, it is. Can't wait to chat her.
5:12 Jessie Ware? Gracie Abrams, as I live and breathe. Looking dewy and gorgeous and fabulous. And the only person in London that's in a long sleeve today.
5:23 Speaker 03 It's a mistake, except it feels so nice and cool in here.
5:27 Jessie Ware? How are you finding it here?
5:28 Speaker 03 I love it, I love it. I feel like there was always sort of something about LA that I even having grown up there struggled to sort of.
5:37 Jessie Ware? Really?
5:38 Speaker 03 Felt like social integration was just tougher for me and here I feel right at home. So it's, it's lucky. Yeah.
5:46 Speaker 02 What, what makes you feel at home here?
5:49 Speaker 03 The pubs.
5:50 Jessie Ware? You're a pub girl.
5:52 Speaker 03 Yes, I think something about the like having these kind of um the centers where everyone in the community like pets and children and you know full families.
6:02 Jessie Ware? Yeah, I guess LA doesn't have that.
6:04 Speaker 03 No, it's less, it's.
6:05 Jessie Ware? They have dog parks.
6:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, that I'm a fan of too, but I don't have my dog over here right now.
6:10 Jessie Ware? Oh, you have a dog.
6:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, but he lives in LA with my family.
6:14 Jessie Ware? So, but yes, you're LA born and bred.
6:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
6:17 Jessie Ware? Who was around the dinner table when you were growing up and what's a memorable dish from your childhood?
6:21 Speaker 03 Okay, um dinner, we would do roast chicken often, like kind of just easy one pan chicken, which is still my favorite food.
6:30 Jessie Ware? Like a tray bake?
6:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, like carrots and onions and thyme and like all that.
6:35 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
6:36 Speaker 03 Which is my favorite food still, I would say. And it was my brothers and my, both my parents and and um I had a set of grandparents who lived in LA as well. So they would pop over when they could and but otherwise it was just immediate family. And and then on Fridays we had um which is kind of like my favorite part of growing up. We would have these, these like all families that happened to be from the East Coast but had found their way to LA for some reason. We were all sort of raised like siblings. Every Friday we would get together and have pizza in the park and it became this like.
7:11 Jessie Ware? Pizza in the park.
7:12 Speaker 03 Yeah, and that was like our weekly tradition and that's who we have Thanksgiving with. That's like, you know, was called Friday group. And it still is like a strong second family, but they feel like just, you know.
7:23 Jessie Ware? What's your topping on your pizza? Pizza.
7:26 Speaker 03 I like a sausage and onion, so to be honest, that would, yeah, you're like.
7:31 Jessie Ware? What Italian sausage?
7:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, like a spicy kind of delicious.
7:36 Jessie Ware? I like it with fennel.
7:37 Speaker 03 Yes.
7:38 Jessie Ware? The spicy sausage and fennel. Where are you getting your pizza from in LA? Has it always been the same place for pizza?
7:43 Speaker 03 No, it just, no, but just different in that it depends who was ordering and whose house we were at, because everyone lived in different zones.
7:51 Jessie Ware? But like New York is better pizza, right?
7:53 Speaker 03 I would say so. I would say so. I get, I love Joe's Pizza, which is, I know is like the club, but Prince Street is insane. But that's kind of like quite bougie pizza, isn't it?
8:02 Jessie Ware? Okay.
8:03 Speaker 03 Sort of.
8:04 Jessie Ware? And then are you eating pizza when you're in London? If so, what pizza are you eating?
8:08 Speaker 03 Oy Vida.
8:09 Jessie Ware? Oh, where's that?
8:11 Speaker 03 I've only ever ordered on delivery from Oy Vida, but they ha- I love it because it comes with like a little side of burrata.
8:19 Jessie Ware? Oh.
8:19 Speaker 03 So it feels kind of like this fancy.
8:20 Jessie Ware? Ask Lenny, ask Lenny what she thinks of burrata.
8:22 Speaker 03 Well, you hate it.
8:23 Jessie Ware? Hate it.
8:24 Speaker 03 Why?
8:25 Jessie Ware? It's the texture.
8:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:26 Jessie Ware? It's like oozy and.
8:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's not very.
8:29 Jessie Ware? No. I like that. Do you like that? Yeah, I like oozy. I like, I like dips to go with my pizza bones.
8:35 Speaker 03 It's kind of, I, it doesn't really, I think unless you're doing it up, it doesn't taste like much. So I get there's not really some great appeal. I understand. And it's not a salad and people kind of try to make it a salad.
8:46 Jessie Ware? Yeah, it's not, it's not a salad.
8:48 Speaker 03 It's not a salad.
8:49 Jessie Ware? Um, so mum, Gracie, I've known Gracie's.
8:52 Speaker 03 I.
8:53 Jessie Ware? When did, I, I remember the first time I met you.
8:55 Speaker 03 You remember?
8:56 Jessie Ware? I remember.
8:57 Speaker 03 Oh, God.
8:58 Jessie Ware? I couldn't forget you because you were kind of.
9:01 Speaker 03 Was I shaking so hard to be in the same room as you probably?
9:04 Jessie Ware? Oh, please. Oh, please. You definitely were a teenager.
9:08 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
9:09 Jessie Ware? I'm gonna say sixteen, maybe seventeen.
9:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
9:12 Jessie Ware? Wow. Um, it was at Benny Blanco's place in West Hollywood.
9:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:16 Jessie Ware? That's no longer. And it was a party that he was hosting. Um, and it was kind of like a pool party. And I remember you being there and being as beautiful as you, like, gorgeous and had this star quality. I hadn't heard any, I hadn't heard any of your music. I don't, I don't even know if you were making music yet, but you were dating a mutual friend.
9:37 Speaker 03 Yes.
9:37 Jessie Ware? And, um, but I don't know, were you making music at that point?
9:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, we, we were together actually. And that was, that relationship was also my first collaborative. Can I help at all?
9:48 Jessie Ware? No, not at all.
9:49 Speaker 03 Just please.
9:51 Jessie Ware? I will tell you.
9:51 Speaker 03 Okay, okay, okay, okay. Um, we, that wasn't the first time I ever wrote with anyone else ever, like, you know, there was ever production involved. But your music was so formative to that relationship.
10:06 Jessie Ware? That's so sweet.
10:06 Speaker 03 It is. You know, when you, but you know, when like there's a song that feels so core to a relationship, especially like your first love.
10:13 Jessie Ware? Oh, God.
10:13 Speaker 03 It was so central to that time and it was, it's just. Uh, it's so funny how things happen. Happen and now I get to sit at your table.
10:23 Jessie Ware? And then the last time I saw you was at BAFTA.
10:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:26 Jessie Ware? And you were on the, on the row on your own, cause your partner's film had just won another award.
10:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:33 Jessie Ware? As they were all doing a photo and you were there and you were clapping and it was so sweet.
10:36 Speaker 03 Your, your performance was insane. I don't know how you deal with that, especially for that particular slot. Is like such an honor to.
10:46 Jessie Ware? But I mean, you know about performing, you've performed like, I don't know whether you ever get. Have you have, do you have coping strategies with how you like, cause it's always, how can you get rid of the dry throat? Like the dry throat.
10:59 Speaker 03 I don't know. And I also am weirdly, um, cause we've had a break from tour since September. And this is the longest break that we've had. And this past week, we just did BBC Live Lounge and it was the first. Performance that we've done in a, in a minute.
11:15 Jessie Ware? How did it feel?
11:16 Speaker 03 I was shocked at how, uh, scared I got. It was like this weird. I think cause when you're used, your nervous system adjusts to whatever the normal is. And so for. Tour, it stopped being a thing that I got nervous for, like shows weren't freaking me out. I think cause you're with your people all the time. It just feels like. Another day, but I was really anxious. I've kind of been like, kind of. Anxiety's been shooting back up recently.
11:45 Jessie Ware? I think that's completely understandable. You have this record, which by the way, I think is beautiful.
11:52 Speaker 03 Thank you.
11:53 Jessie Ware? Daughter from hell.
11:54 Speaker 03 Thanks.
11:54 Jessie Ware? It's really, I mean, you are an accomplished songwriter, of course, but it's kind of meditative, it's intimate. It has like these moments that like you have, uh, look at my, is it look at my life, look at my life. You are one of the greatest melody makers.
12:10 Speaker 03 Oh, God, no, that's crazy for you to say.
12:12 Jessie Ware? No, like literally my husband and I, I was, I, we were driving yesterday. It was perfect driving music. We were listening, the songs out and. You know your melodies by the second chorus, you're singing it along, which is quite, it's remarkable, but also the storytelling in it is beautiful.
12:30 Speaker 02 Where does the title come from?
12:32 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
12:32 Speaker 03 It was the last song that I wrote for the album and it's a song for my mom. And it's, it's like an apology, sort of, and a thank you note as well and sort of this. Because I, I felt, I, growing up, I felt like I was quite difficult. And I know I was difficult and I think as I grow up and just have more perspective generally, but also more love for everyone in my life and more concern as a result for everyone in my life. Um, I think about how heinous it must have been for my parents to.
13:12 Speaker 02 You're a challenge.
13:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I now, you know, I think when you're a kid and you have a, whatever the dynamic is with your family, you don't ever imagine that it will be different. And we've, I think, very much earned the closeness that we all have.
13:32 Speaker 03 Which is such a gift, but, but, uh, has also made me feel like this weird, try not to grip it too tight, but I want as much time as I can get with them and as much of their, um, wisdom and they've been so patient with me my whole life and, um. Anyway, so that's, the song is for my mom.
13:52 Jessie Ware? Where did you come in the order of siblings?
13:55 Speaker 03 And I have an older brother and.
13:57 Jessie Ware? Okay, so I've had this, this theory that middle children are, you know, can be, no, tricky.
14:03 Speaker 03 Yeah, certainly. I think, well, my older brother, Henry, is a year older than I am.
14:07 Jessie Ware? Okay.
14:08 Speaker 03 And I think maybe because of the like pace at which girls maybe like develop quicker or more. I don't know, I, I was a bit more like socially, I was kind of like ambitious and wanted to be older than I was. And I think. Based on who in the house needed most immediate attention, it sort of like left this gap for me to go try to find it elsewhere and places that were not always, you know, like, smart or safe. And so there was my, my approach was like, kind of sneak around. And I think.
14:48 Jessie Ware? So you were naughty, you were naughty?
14:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:50 Speaker 02 But isn't that about growing up and becoming independent?
14:52 Speaker 03 For sure. I definitely don't think I'm, you know, a particularly special case or anything, but I, I do still feel guilty.
15:01 Jessie Ware? Can I also tell you one of my favorite on the record and forgive me if I can't say the name?
15:05 Speaker 03 Yes, of course.
15:06 Jessie Ware? The one where you go, um, if only you didn't adore me. That is the, if only.
15:10 Speaker 03 Oh, good reason.
15:11 Jessie Ware? Good.
15:12 Speaker 03 Oh.
15:12 Jessie Ware? That is like a Mazzy star, like.
15:14 Speaker 03 Oh, thank you.
15:15 Jessie Ware? I don't know if that.
15:16 Speaker 03 I love that song.
15:17 Jessie Ware? It's heartbreaking.
15:19 Speaker 03 Thanks. Thank you. I love that song. Thank you. Do you know Sarah Erins?
15:24 Jessie Ware? I love Sarah Erins. I've written with her. She's brilliant.
15:28 Speaker 03 She's amazing. We did I Miss You, I'm Sorry together. She was the first person when I left college. And she was the first person I had a session with. And it was the best thing because it was like, you know, we were a few years apart and it was just, I went over to her house and I remember being so scared having left school, just kind of attempting to see what it would feel like to not be, because I loved being in school. I loved being with so many people my age and coming back to LA just felt so funny and odd.
16:00 Speaker 02 When you say school, does that mean university?
16:03 Speaker 03 Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was only there for a year. Um, and I loved it.
16:07 Jessie Ware? What were you, what were you studying?
16:08 Speaker 03 International relations. Um, and I, yeah, it wasn't like a, I hate school, get me out. I really loved it. So it was.
16:17 Jessie Ware? Do you think you'd go back to it and finish it?
16:19 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'm still on a leave of absence. So I hope, I hope to return.
16:22 Jessie Ware? I hate to break it to you, Gracie Abrams. I don't know if you're gonna be going back anytime soon.
16:26 Speaker 03 So I hope so. I have a friend who went to Columbia as well, who he, Aaron, uh, Doesner, who I made the album with. We're like, he did graduate, but like, let's go back together. Because our campuses were attached, twenty six.
16:39 Jessie Ware? Yeah, babe, you're like, you can go, my husband's retraining as an osteopath now and he's forty. So, yeah, but like.
16:46 Speaker 03 That's convenient.
16:47 Jessie Ware? Yeah, it, it, well, if he bloody do anything, I said, I said to him last night, I said, babe, my ankles are hurting a little. Bit and he went, oh, cool. Went back to his book.
16:54 Speaker 03 Can he do like massage?
16:56 Jessie Ware? It's kind of fashion.
16:57 Speaker 03 Like in theory.
16:58 Jessie Ware? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm sure he can when he's in the clinic, working on other bodies. But, um, so if we were coming round to your house, what would you be making for us?
17:08 Speaker 03 Braised leeks.
17:09 Jessie Ware? Okay, delicious.
17:11 Speaker 03 Which is my favorite food right now.
17:13 Jessie Ware? Where were they inspired by? Like, have you been somewhere and eaten them?
17:17 Speaker 03 No, actually, this, um, uh, Corey Larkin is her name, I think.
17:23 Jessie Ware? Oh, I love her.
17:26 Speaker 03 Have you made her leeks?
17:27 Jessie Ware? No, but they're the ones where they look very pretty. I'm obsessed with her.
17:31 Speaker 02 Is this on Instagram?
17:32 Jessie Ware? Yeah, she's really cool.
17:33 Speaker 03 I just did, um, for Vogue recently, did they have like a cooking series? And I just did that and I was so stressed about what to make and I've just made that a million times. So I decided to go with that. That and it was, it ended up being the best, the Eno martini, which was my favorite drink.
17:48 Jessie Ware? Gin.
17:48 Speaker 03 Ever.
17:49 Jessie Ware? Extra.
17:50 Speaker 03 Dirty. What's your?
17:51 Jessie Ware? Mine is vodka. I, I, you say extra dirty, I say filthy.
17:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's probably the better way to say it.
17:58 Jessie Ware? But I like, I, I go vodka, but I love it. And, um, I had a big argument with Rafe Fiennes about, uh, like a blue cheese olive in there too.
18:06 Speaker 03 I've actually never done a blue cheese.
18:08 Jessie Ware? A little creaminess in it.
18:09 Speaker 02 Yeah, but weren't it makes it all cloudy?
18:12 Speaker 03 Yeah, but it's fine. Cloudy, anyway, I always get a sidecar of Brian.
18:16 Jessie Ware? Yes, yes. Where have you found the best martini in London?
18:21 Speaker 03 Trullo.
18:22 Jessie Ware? Trullo, okay.
18:23 Speaker 02 Where's Trullo?
18:24 Speaker 03 It's, uh, in Islington.
18:27 Jessie Ware? Yeah, so you do us the braised leeks?
18:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
18:30 Jessie Ware? Is that like a main or a side or a starter?
18:34 Speaker 03 In my house, it is a main.
18:36 Jessie Ware? Okay.
18:36 Speaker 03 But it is a starter.
18:38 Jessie Ware? With it on the side?
18:39 Speaker 03 Yeah, uh, yeah, like roast, I mean, it's all kind of, I eat everything, but I've been making lots of like roast vegetable things these days. Roast carrots and again, sort of like, I think because my favorite food is, is like a one pan, just like slow roast. Meat plus veg. That's just like, that's my fantasy. But that, the leeks with sourdough toasted, just like pulled apart. It's insanely good. It's insanely good. And I've also been making, um.
19:09 Speaker 03 Lots of like different kinds of toasts, like sardine toasts and things like.
19:13 Jessie Ware? Tell me what you're doing. Yeah. What do you put on the top of your sardines? Are you a vinegar girl?
19:18 Speaker 03 No.
19:19 Jessie Ware? Okay.
19:19 Speaker 03 No, I've been doing this like, um, this, this would kind of be like a lunch, I suppose, but, oh my God, it's such a.
19:28 Speaker 02 What?
19:29 Jessie Ware? It's um. This is quite American.
19:32 Speaker 03 Baby.
19:33 Speaker 02 It's a savory one.
19:35 Jessie Ware? Oh, do you like a Dutch baby?
19:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:37 Jessie Ware? Okay, great.
19:38 Speaker 02 But I'd done it savory and I was gonna put smoked salmon and crème fraîche on it.
19:43 Speaker 03 Oh my God, when did you start getting into, like, have you always been a master chef?
19:47 Jessie Ware? She doesn't like cooking, actually.
19:48 Speaker 03 Oh, what? Why this gig?
19:51 Jessie Ware? Cause she's good at it.
19:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
19:54 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
19:54 Speaker 03 Did you, was this like, did you have every meal growing up?
19:57 Jessie Ware? She always cooked, yeah. And she's always up for, up for giving something a shot.
20:02 Speaker 03 That's.
20:03 Jessie Ware? That does look impressive.
20:04 Speaker 03 That is insane.
20:05 Jessie Ware? Looks fab.
20:07 Jessie Ware? Um.
20:07 Speaker 03 Smells so good.
20:08 Jessie Ware? I know. Um, so, okay, so roasted stuff. Okay, so.
20:12 Speaker 03 Roasted stuff, but sardine toast.
20:14 Jessie Ware? Yes, sorry, yes.
20:15 Speaker 03 Rubbed garlic on the bread, toasted bread. And then I've been doing like sun gold tomato, all in a bowl, like sun gold tomatoes, ricotta, shaved parm.
20:25 Jessie Ware? Ooh.
20:26 Speaker 03 Um, lots of parsley, um.
20:30 Jessie Ware? It sounds delicious.
20:30 Speaker 03 Lemon zest and juice. And then that goes down in the bread, hot honey and sardines. And it's so good.
20:42 Jessie Ware? That sounds absolutely delicious.
20:43 Speaker 03 It's so fresh.
20:44 Jessie Ware? Did you make this up yourself?
20:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, this was, but this is after like many rounds of attempted sardine toast that was kind of like less impressive, you know? It's so delicious. It just tastes like summer.
20:55 Jessie Ware? Um, and then serving drinks, would you, would you, cause you make martinis. I don't ever make a martini, but I feel like maybe I should start.
21:01 Speaker 03 I, you should, but I don't do it in a nice way. I have like jars. You could just do, if you're doing it just for yourself, just in a jar.
21:09 Jessie Ware? Like an old.
21:09 Speaker 03 But I also was told that a gin martini shouldn't be shaken.
21:13 Jessie Ware? Okay.
21:13 Speaker 03 I don't know. I don't know. I was kind of like, um, after making one on the internet. I was, people were letting me know I did it super wrong, I guess. Which I'm like, but.
21:25 Jessie Ware? So you're getting told about your, uh, your technique.
21:27 Speaker 03 You just gotta not look.
21:30 Speaker 03 I love my martinis. Oh my goodness.
21:33 Jessie Ware? Mum looks beautiful. Cordelina, lovely.
21:36 Speaker 02 It's a Dutch baby that's now collapsed a bit, but it's got smoked salmon dill. And you make it with herbs and, um, a bit of Parmesan, sour cream, but help yourself.
21:47 Speaker 03 Thank you.
21:47 Speaker 02 And there's some avocado and things and, no, you help yourself, darling.
21:51 Speaker 03 No.
21:51 Jessie Ware? Um, and, uh, okay, so, uh, when we're coming round for our braised leeks.
21:56 Speaker 03 Yes.
21:57 Jessie Ware? Um, what music would you be playing at your party?
22:00 Speaker 03 Nina Simone?
22:01 Jessie Ware? Okay.
22:02 Speaker 02 Oh, wow.
22:03 Speaker 03 Oh, I've actually, and then in, well, this is mornings, so, but I would just on the way here after listening to your record, I put on Billy Martin. Do you ever listen to her?
22:10 Jessie Ware? No, should I listen to Billy Martin? Okay, fine. You help yourself.
22:13 Speaker 03 No.
22:13 Jessie Ware? Okay, fine.
22:14 Speaker 03 I mean, I will, but.
22:15 Jessie Ware? I don't think you're a daughter from hell, actually. I think you're very good.
22:18 Speaker 03 Very well hort up, Gracie.
22:19 Jessie Ware? I'm gonna do that. You do that the rest of it, yeah.
22:22 Speaker 03 Thank you all. But I guess for cooking, I like to listen to Django Reinhardt when.
22:26 Jessie Ware? Okay.
22:27 Speaker 03 Cooking, just something that feels like up, you know what I mean?
22:30 Jessie Ware? Okay.
22:31 Speaker 03 Um, we, yeah, that's, that's on in the house often.
22:37 Jessie Ware? Have you had to listen to a lot of Beatles?
22:39 Speaker 03 Yes.
22:41 Jessie Ware? What's a deep, what's a Beatle deep cut that we should all be listening to?
22:45 Speaker 03 Oh God, I'm like, what is a Beatles deep cut? I don't even know if they exist.
22:50 Jessie Ware? Do you want some avocado, anyone?
22:52 Speaker 03 This is insanely good.
22:53 Jessie Ware? This is delicious, mum.
22:54 Speaker 02 Nice, yeah.
22:55 Jessie Ware? It's kind of a bit like a Yorkshire pudding, but like, you know, an elevated Yorkshire pudding.
23:00 Speaker 02 That's what a Dutch baby is. Well, okay, fine.
23:02 Speaker 03 What is, I got it right. I don't know about Yorkshire pudding.
23:05 Jessie Ware? What?
23:06 Speaker 03 No, sorry.
23:07 Jessie Ware? What is it? Yorkshire pudding, you have it with your roast, on, um, a Sunday roast.
23:11 Speaker 03 I've never had that.
23:12 Jessie Ware? It's almost like this. You haven't lived.
23:14 Speaker 03 What is it?
23:15 Jessie Ware? It's a basic, it's.
23:17 Speaker 02 Similar to this.
23:18 Jessie Ware? But you have it and you have loads of gravy in the dip. You put the gravy in, you have it with your meat.
23:22 Speaker 03 Whoa.
23:23 Jessie Ware? It's like a carby delicious pancake on your plate.
23:26 Speaker 03 Down.
23:27 Jessie Ware? Mm-hmm. Have you had a barbecue yet, Gracie?
23:30 Speaker 03 No, not here.
23:31 Jessie Ware? You know, like, the Brits, it's our thing when.
23:34 Speaker 03 I've never heard that.
23:35 Jessie Ware? Okay, in the summer.
23:36 Speaker 03 Gee.
23:37 Jessie Ware? It's like when the sun comes out. You smell a barbecue on the road, you're like.
23:41 Speaker 02 And then you open rosé wine.
23:43 Jessie Ware? Yeah. You mu- like, you must be inaugur- like, into the British summertime.
23:48 Speaker 03 Well.
23:49 Jessie Ware? You must burn sausages on a barbecue.
23:51 Speaker 03 I need to get into that, but it's making me realise, like, my, um. I have a very, like, I think it's a more, like, Irish leaning existence of living in London, do you know what I mean? I've never heard of the.
24:03 Speaker 02 So, do you like Irish food?
24:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:08 Speaker 02 Do you know about Irish potato chips, the crisps?
24:10 Jessie Ware? Oh, we had a guest on.
24:13 Speaker 03 My favourite is salt and vinegar.
24:15 Speaker 02 Oh, yes, so we had Otte Mabusi on, but there's a particular make of tatoes, I think they're called.
24:22 Speaker 03 I'm familiar, I'm now familiar. Um, but yeah, I, uh, I need to get barbecuing.
24:28 Jessie Ware? You really do, but it's, you're a real Brit when you walk past and you go, someone's having a barbecue.
24:34 Speaker 03 I had a gorgeous, very, like, neighbourly evening, a neighbour, um, had. Like, she's, she was so cool, I hadn't even met her yet, but she slipped a note under the door and said that she was having. Curry night, where she was teaching all these ladies to make curry. And I went over for, and I was coming late.
24:57 Jessie Ware? On your own?
24:58 Speaker 03 I texted her, yes, but I have, we have, we have a mutual friend, so I.
25:01 Jessie Ware? Okay, fine. I thought that was very brave, brave of you, Gracie, that.
25:04 Speaker 03 I, it felt, it was like, I'm, I do, it's in these moments where I realise, I'm like, so I am kind of. Quite introverted still sometimes, but anyway, but I went over and it was the most amazing food ever and she, and they'd all, all of these. Women who are so incredible, I, I came late because I was coming from work and she said it was not inappropriate to come late, that I should still cook. So I went, I felt very bad, but brought wine and tried to make up for it by cleaning.
25:30 Jessie Ware? Did you get to cook?
25:31 Speaker 03 I didn't get to cook anything, but I ate, but then she had printed, I keep dropping my napkin, but she printed out all these sheets of, um. How to make everything, so I took all these pictures, so I'm gonna try to recreate it myself, but it was such a beautiful, I don't know, I just love. I love people who make food the centre of an event.
25:51 Speaker 02 I've got some bits for dessert as well.
25:53 Speaker 03 What do you mean?
25:54 Speaker 02 Well, it's not really dessert.
25:55 Jessie Ware? Well, mum made-
25:56 Speaker 03 You've already made the most beautiful thing.
25:59 Speaker 02 I I I've made some compote, which is just very compote with, I'm mad about vanilla yogurt that Mots and Spencer's make. But we've also made-
26:11 Jessie Ware? Well, you, well, I, okay, this is, this is a disclaimer. I actually didn't because I went for a blood test this morning. So my perfectly wonderful Rosie, my nanny, I was like, listen, mum has told me to make these cookies. She came and delivered them. Apparently you really like this New York Times banana cookie.
26:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
26:28 Jessie Ware? You're, so that's what we've made.
26:30 Speaker 03 What?
26:31 Jessie Ware? I say we, I've done nothing.
26:32 Speaker 03 No, stop, really? I'm gonna flip the table. Are you kidding?
26:35 Jessie Ware? Do you, yeah, but I, but I also know-
26:36 Speaker 03 That was like during Covid, like every day.
26:39 Jessie Ware? Yeah, but you got quite obsessed with them, but then also you would change it up. So I'm a bit worried that these are a bit too, you know, basic for you.
26:46 Speaker 03 Oh, my God, that's bad.
26:47 Jessie Ware? Yeah, you can take them her way with you, so that's fine.
26:49 Speaker 03 I'm gonna freak out. Oh, my God, thank you. That's so thoughtful.
26:52 Jessie Ware? You know what? I didn't have very ripe bananas, but I don't know whether this is a hack. Rosie put it in the oven, the banana.
27:01 Speaker 03 Oh, I've never heard of that.
27:03 Jessie Ware? So it went black, like you put it on the barbecue.
27:05 Speaker 03 Genius.
27:06 Jessie Ware? And then she was like, well, now it's sweet and, oh my God, more kind of overripe.
27:53 Jessie Ware? So listen, you know the drill because you listen to this podcast.
27:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:56 Jessie Ware? Last supper.
27:57 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
27:58 Jessie Ware? Starter, main, pudding, drink of choice. I, you may have already answered the drink of choice.
28:04 Speaker 03 Well, okay, I mean, I would say the leeks are really truly like essential to my life now.
28:10 Jessie Ware? Okay, you get hyper fixated on things. This is your thing. This is your obsession at the moment.
28:14 Speaker 03 But that's like creamy and caramelised and kind of amazing and delicious with the bread. And then I would want my mum's chicken with lots of thyme and like a arugula salad on the side. And a baked sweet potato.
28:31 Jessie Ware? Okay.
28:31 Speaker 02 Do you know what I had that I don't think we can get here? The Japanese sweet potato. So I had it at all time. It's the best thing I've ever eaten.
28:41 Speaker 03 You can't get them here.
28:42 Speaker 02 No.
28:43 Speaker 03 Really?
28:43 Speaker 02 No, they're like caramelised and chewy.
28:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, they're unreal. They're like the best sweet potato in the world.
28:50 Speaker 02 In the world. They're called Japanese and they're more like a cross.
28:52 Speaker 03 I'm gonna find them.
28:53 Speaker 02 Like the cross chino yam in a sweet potato.
28:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, it gets so.
28:57 Jessie Ware? What colour are they? They're more yellow.
28:59 Speaker 03 They're, they're.
29:00 Speaker 02 I don't know, it's been dark.
29:01 Speaker 03 They're yellow on the inside.
29:02 Jessie Ware? Right, more yellow than orange.
29:03 Speaker 02 But they do them and they go crispy on the outside.
29:06 Jessie Ware? Was that all time the most expensive place in the world?
29:09 Speaker 02 Yeah, it is.
29:09 Jessie Ware? On Hillhurst. Is it Hillhurst or Franklin? It's delicious, by the way, if you're listening, you are delicious, but you are very spending.
29:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
29:16 Jessie Ware? So we've got your mum's roast chicken.
29:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, chicken and the sweet potato, which either regular baked potato or sweet potato.
29:23 Jessie Ware? Okay.
29:23 Speaker 03 Which is very my grandmother in my head. And then a dessert.
29:28 Jessie Ware? Yeah, what's your dessert?
29:29 Speaker 03 The, now it's the Trulo chocolate sorbetto.
29:34 Jessie Ware? Oh.
29:35 Speaker 03 That's like pretty insane.
29:36 Jessie Ware? Is it delicious?
29:38 Speaker 03 It's insane. It is the best ice cream of sorts.
29:41 Jessie Ware? What makes it a sorbetto?
29:42 Speaker 03 I don't know. That's just what it is on the menu. Trying to pay my respect.
29:45 Jessie Ware? Sounds a bit cuter, doesn't it?
29:46 Speaker 03 It's incredible. And now I'm thinking of lots of other things.
29:51 Jessie Ware? Yeah, no, you can have a trio if you want.
29:55 Speaker 03 I like dates in the fridge, like super chewy cold dates. Now I think it's just I'm thinking like on a summer's day, it's quite hot.
30:02 Jessie Ware? Have you tried dates in the freezer with peanut butter inside?
30:05 Speaker 03 Best in the world.
30:06 Jessie Ware? So good.
30:07 Speaker 03 Like so good, but I don't like when people are kind of like have Snickers at home. I'm like, it's a different thing.
30:12 Jessie Ware? Yeah, that is a different thing.
30:13 Speaker 03 I think it's better, but I, you know.
30:16 Jessie Ware? How are you finding? How are you finding the chocolate here?
30:20 Speaker 03 It's incredible.
30:21 Jessie Ware? It's better, isn't it?
30:22 Speaker 03 It is better. I like the buttons.
30:25 Jessie Ware? Oh, the dairy milk buttons. You're gonna get them now all the time, you know this. Do your fans give you stuff when you say something?
30:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, I'm like, I like the button.
30:35 Jessie Ware? What's the most kind of absurd thing that they've given you?
30:39 Speaker 03 Oh, God. Well, we get, we get just like obscene amounts of the same foods, like snacks or things. We've gotten, and there's been like a fair amount of fans who like bring baby photos of themselves or something.
30:57 Jessie Ware? Why? What, what was that? Cause that was a conversation?
31:01 Speaker 03 No, no, just that that's like a thing that's happened that I go, huh.
31:06 Jessie Ware? Um, thank you.
31:07 Speaker 03 One time in the, in the bus, the lights were turned low. I was opening an envelope and poured out what was inside and it was little tiny white rocks, but I thought it was.
31:21 Jessie Ware? Drugs?
31:21 Speaker 03 Teeth.
31:22 Jessie Ware? Oh, oh, I thought, alright.
31:23 Speaker 03 I swear to God and I was like, yeah, drugs, little, little white.
31:29 Jessie Ware? You, okay, so you thought it was baby teeth. If you'd like some, Gracie.
31:32 Speaker 03 Thank you. Oh, my God. But can I serve you please first?
31:34 Jessie Ware? No, you, you help yourself. Do you know what they were?
31:37 Speaker 03 They were little like quartz.
31:40 Jessie Ware? Oh, like for like, you know, clarity. Oh, sweet.
31:43 Speaker 03 Very sweet, but for a moment it was very, uh, nerve wracking.
31:48 Jessie Ware? But this kind of notion, the notion of the fangirl, you have fangirls, you have a huge fan base.
31:55 Speaker 03 I think like in this time, just with the internet, it used to be the thing of like, oh, this is insane, you guys. I am so grateful.
32:03 Jessie Ware? But I, well, that's very, you're very welcome.
32:05 Speaker 03 It is like insane to be, you know, it feels like home in all the ways now. Um.
32:13 Speaker 02 It's delicious, isn't it?
32:15 Jessie Ware? It is good, this Greek yogurt.
32:16 Speaker 02 Oh, it's so delicious.
32:19 Jessie Ware? But yeah, the fangirl, it's like a real thing. You see it with you. Taylor, Olivia Dean.
32:25 Speaker 03 Oh, I love her.
32:27 Jessie Ware? She's fantastic.
32:28 Speaker 03 I just was watching videos of her show last night and she said it was her first headline show in Ireland ever.
32:33 Jessie Ware? Oh, wow.
32:34 Speaker 03 And there were forty thousand people there. Can you imagine your first headline show?
32:36 Jessie Ware? That's insane. It's insane.
32:38 Speaker 03 I mean, her story. Yeah, but anyway, sorry. Yes, the, um, I think because there's, it's like the parasocial thing. Like, the ability to have access to someone whose stories you connect with, just like in your palm, feels like there's a real closeness there. So, but I also grew up with that being the norm, like, stan culture being like so at the forefront of like any artist's kind of
33:06 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
33:07 Speaker 03 movement. It's like there is ju- so, so I think sometimes being on the receiving end of it can shock me. But I also, in, in the culture, I understand what it's about. You know, I just think when it, when it comes back to you, you're sometimes like, whoa, whoa.
33:26 Jessie Ware? Yeah, I can, yeah, I can understand that.
33:28 Speaker 03 But it's such a, it's such a compliment, you know, that coming from a place of people, for whatever reason, my music meaning something to them, or I, you know, all of the music that I grew up being obsessed with, yours included, it's like, you just do feel like it's speaking to something in your life. And so that's my, that's my favorite thing. So I do get it.
33:50 Jessie Ware? I, I feel like you had such an incredible moment at Glastonbury. But I do feel like you could return next year.
33:58 Speaker 03 I would die.
33:59 Jessie Ware? Does this, I feel like, okay, here's, here's what I'm saying. Taylor Swift headlines, Gracie Abrams warms the crowd up just before that. That's what I'm, this is what I'm saying is gonna happen.
34:10 Speaker 03 There's nothing like opening for Taylor Swift.
34:13 Speaker 02 When did you first meet Taylor Swift?
34:15 Speaker 03 It was like right after quarantine was lifted, I want to say.
34:18 Speaker 02 So you're quite young.
34:20 Speaker 03 Yeah, we, we've known each other for a second now. In my mind, it feels like yesterday still, but, um, we met at her birthday. She, I got like a text from a number that I didn't have saved. And I thought it was this. Joke. And she had invited me to her birthday and I went and um she was just immediately like the warmest and and um. Yeah, most kind of like inclusive and um. Yeah, it was crazy. I bet her shows are pretty.
34:54 Jessie Ware? I went to the year as one, yeah. Yeah, you weren't. It was Paramore.
34:59 Speaker 03 I wasn't with her, but I went out for one of the um, which was two years ago, when my album came out. She was on one of the songs and we, yeah, and we did that for the first time at Wembley, which was a.
35:12 Jessie Ware? No big deal. And before we let you go, which I would like not to, but.
35:16 Speaker 02 Do you like it? Yeah, I love it.
35:17 Jessie Ware? Really good. It's really good, mum. Yeah, you definitely and I'd like you to take some with you as well.
35:22 Speaker 03 Really?
35:22 Jessie Ware? Um, yeah, of course.
35:23 Speaker 03 What? No, what about your kids?
35:25 Jessie Ware? Oh, fuck them.
35:28 Speaker 02 Do you want a bit, Jessie?
35:29 Jessie Ware? Yes, please. A nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere, happy or sad, really.
35:35 Speaker 03 It's funny, my.
35:37 Speaker 03 My best friend Audrey.
35:40 Speaker 03 During Covid, before we, we ended up moving in together. After Covid, but. We would make these for each other and drop them off at each other's houses during the pandemic. And this is like. It is so strange, even then we would live together and I'd come home sometimes from tour and she'd have made some. Just like one of those, you know, it's so strange. You don't think like.
36:03 Speaker 02 They don't taste of banana, though.
36:06 Jessie Ware? Maybe.
36:07 Speaker 02 So it wasn't ripe enough.
36:09 Jessie Ware? Is that Audrey Ho, who is amazing? You write a lot with her.
36:15 Speaker 03 We did um loads of the last album together.
36:18 Jessie Ware? You also did minibar on this one, didn't you? Which is great.
36:22 Speaker 03 So fun, that one.
36:22 Jessie Ware? Really fun.
36:23 Speaker 03 We wrote that the same week that we did That's So True. And they kind of remind me of each other a little bit and they're like. The zippy kind of like.
36:31 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
36:32 Speaker 03 But anyway, she's the best. So this makes me think of her. It feels quite nostalgic.
36:38 Jessie Ware? Gracie Abrams, good luck with your record.
36:41 Speaker 03 Thank you.
36:41 Jessie Ware? Daughter from Hell, it's really accomplished and brilliant.
36:44 Speaker 03 Thank you guys so much for having me.
36:46 Jessie Ware? Such a pleasure.
36:46 Speaker 03 Nothing is gonna top this.
36:48 Jessie Ware? And hydrate in this hot weather.
36:51 Speaker 03 Yes, I will. I will, I will.
36:52 Jessie Ware? And, um, and yeah.
36:53 Speaker 03 And barbecue.
36:54 Jessie Ware? Yeah, and barbecue.
36:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, cheers.
36:56 Jessie Ware? Cheers.
36:56 Speaker 03 Thank you guys so much.
37:11 Jessie Ware? Gracie Abrams, Looking Divine, being, I think, one of the most helpful guests we've ever had. Wanted to basically do the washing up.
37:19 Speaker 02 Definitely not a daughter from hell.
37:21 Jessie Ware? No, I think I was today.
37:23 Speaker 02 Yeah.
37:23 Jessie Ware? So appreciative of the food. It was delish, Mum.
37:26 Speaker 02 Did you like it?
37:27 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
37:27 Speaker 02 You didn't think it was gonna work, did you?
37:29 Jessie Ware? Well, no, Mum, I hate to break it to you, but I also did a savoury Dutch baby.
37:33 Speaker 02 When was that?
37:34 Jessie Ware? For Kedif Curran, a while ago.
37:35 Speaker 02 Probably wasn't as good as mine.
37:37 Jessie Ware? It's not a competition then. But it was yours was very nice. I'm saying to you, it was very nice. Congratulations.
37:43 Speaker 02 Thank you.
37:45 Jessie Ware? Thank you for doing all the food.
37:46 Speaker 02 Shame they go down though. They come up and you think, I've made it. And then you put them out and it all goes flopping at the bottom.
37:54 Jessie Ware? Maybe it's the taste was there, Lenny.
37:56 Speaker 02 The taste was there.
37:58 Jessie Ware? Gracie Abrams' record, Daughter from Hell, is out on the 17th of July. Go and get it. It's really beautiful. And we'll see you next week for more Table Mum.
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