Pod Insights Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware Hilary Duff About this episode It’s a pop emergency this week as we have Hilary Duff joining us on the podcast! Fresh from her smash sell out London show, Hilary joined us for lunch to talk about her brand new album ‘Luck… Or Something’. We chatted about being a mum of 4, growing up in Texas, we swapped sourdough starter tips, heard about writing the album with her husband, she shared her thoughts on being compared to Sabrina Carpenter, where to eat in LA, and Hilary confesses she actually stopped at Brick Lane for a quick bagel en route to the recording! We can’t wait to see her headline at The O2 later this year when she kicks off her huge world tour. Hilary’s album ‘Luck… Or Something’ is a great record and it’s available to buy everywhere now.
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0:03 Jessie Ware? Hello and welcome to Table manners. I'm Jessie Weir and I'm here in my house with my mum looking pretty in pink.
0:09 Speaker 01 Thank you very much.
0:10 Jessie Ware? Very nice.
0:11 Speaker 01 I thought.
0:12 Jessie Ware? It's almost a Percy pick, isn't it? With the, the like, it is a little bit though, isn't it?
0:16 Speaker 01 I thought it was more Disney princess.
0:18 Jessie Ware? Oh.
0:19 Speaker 01 And I thought, big week and you've done all the cooking. And I thought to myself, I could get used to this.
0:26 Jessie Ware? All right, Mum. Thank you. We're recording as the week that my first single, It, for my new album is released. And mum is being a very proud Jewish mother.
0:34 Speaker 01 You looked gorgeous.
0:36 Jessie Ware? That is the publicist at the door of our next guest.
0:39 Speaker 01 Ding dong.
0:40 Jessie Ware? We are very excited to have this guest. She has just played her first show in 20 years last night.
0:44 Speaker 01 20.
0:45 Jessie Ware? At Shepherd's Bush Empire. Hilary Duff is coming on. Now, Hilary Duff is.
0:51 Speaker 01 Younger.
0:52 Jessie Ware? Younger. She's in the Netflix show called The Younger.
0:54 Speaker 01 She's Lizzie.
0:55 Jessie Ware? She was Lizzie McGuire.
0:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
0:57 Jessie Ware? She was an international bestselling artist, is.
1:01 Speaker 01 She has a few followers on Instagram.
1:03 Jessie Ware? How many does she have?
1:04 Speaker 01 27 million, I think.
1:05 Jessie Ware? Oh my god.
1:06 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:07 Jessie Ware? She's incredibly successful and she is back with a really brilliant new album. I loved it.
1:15 Speaker 01 It's quite naughty.
1:16 Jessie Ware? It's quite explicit, shall we say.
1:19 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
1:19 Jessie Ware? There's no innuendo.
1:20 Speaker 01 There's no, it's right out there.
1:22 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
1:23 Speaker 01 Well, what's roommates about? Touching yourself at the front door?
1:27 Jessie Ware? Well, you listen to the album, honey. I think it's very relatable.
1:32 Speaker 01 Do you?
1:33 Jessie Ware? Not, I'm not that I'm touching myself at the front door. I.
1:36 Speaker 01 When you hear that bell go, you must get really excited.
1:41 Jessie Ware? Jesus Christ. Anyway, Hilary Duff is coming on to talk about the record. She just played a sold out show at Shepherd's Bush Empire last night.
1:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:52 Jessie Ware? It sold out in like seconds. Tickets were going for over a grand to get in last night.
1:57 Speaker 01 She looked gorgeous.
1:59 Jessie Ware? She did. And she hadn't, oh, it's a costume changes.
2:01 Speaker 01 She's so pretty.
2:02 Jessie Ware? She is pretty. She seems like a gorgeous gal.
2:05 Speaker 01 Kelsey.
2:06 Jessie Ware? Oh, younger.
2:07 Speaker 01 She could be my friend.
2:08 Jessie Ware? Oh, really?
2:08 Speaker 01 Yeah. And she's so sweet and lovely and. Benefiting from her relationship with an older woman that she doesn't know is older.
2:16 Jessie Ware? I think I was in the wrong age bracket.
2:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, you don't.
2:20 Jessie Ware? For Lizzie McGuire.
2:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:21 Jessie Ware? But I have Disney Plus, so that's what my daughter's going to be watching. Very excited to have Hilary Duff on.
2:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:27 Jessie Ware? Um, I'm cooking.
2:29 Speaker 01 Yep.
2:29 Jessie Ware? With help from my darling Rosie. I felt like Hilary's probably on a promo ru- well, I know she's on a promo run. She's probably a bit tired, probably wants to make sure that she's being able to do.
2:39 Speaker 01 Have you done a bowl?
2:41 Jessie Ware? I've done a bowl.
2:42 Speaker 01 Well, everyone from L A loves a bowl, darling.
2:44 Jessie Ware? That's what I thought, Mum. It's a sticky miso salmon bowl and it's by Andy Baragani. And I've done his recipes before, I think, and he's really good. And Jo, who helps us with the washing up, she'd done this recipe a few weeks ago and she said it was great. It's basically a marinade of miso, honey, tiny bit of oil, grapefruit zest and grapefruit juice.
3:06 Speaker 01 Is it easy?
3:08 Jessie Ware? I hope so, yes.
3:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:09 Jessie Ware? Rosie's also brought her rice cooker, which I'm just going to get a rice cooker.
3:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, I I've.
3:15 Jessie Ware? A really small.
3:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, I've got a rice cooker to make Persian, Iranian, you know, Catholic.
3:20 Jessie Ware? Well, I'm making sushi rice in there. So it's going to be sushi rice.
3:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:23 Jessie Ware? Sticky miso, salmon that's grilled. And then I got really beautiful waterc- those watermelon radishes, you know, the ones that like look pretty.
3:30 Speaker 01 Oh, they're lovely.
3:31 Jessie Ware? And then we're going to have some kimchi. I know you don't like it, but it's good for your gut. And I've got some chili crisps. So it's a bit of everything. Hopefully very easy to eat and will keep her, you know, focused with the American eateries. So, and then for Purge, you text me last night saying, I'm really worried about my dessert.
3:48 Speaker 01 I've done lemon creme brulee.
3:49 Jessie Ware? But you said these could be the shittest creme brulees I've.
3:50 Speaker 01 I think I slightly, I think I slightly overcooked them, but um, they look all right. And I think when you grill them, that it will melt down anyway. So I put the amarillo sugar on the top. Have you got a blowtorch about your person?
4:05 Jessie Ware? Um, I'm sure Hilary could add that into the old album, couldn't she, something about a blowtorch? But, um, yeah, I don't think I have after, I think after we did it with Hayley Squires. I think we decided that was the last time we did creme brulee. It's very brave to, I think maybe we should just use the grill today, Lenny. Because you said that the creme brulee wasn't very good, Rosie had the genius idea. I was like, maybe I should just give her a cookie.
4:30 Speaker 01 Why don't you reveal everything, Jessie? And then when she tastes it, it'll taste like shit. It was between you and I. That comment was between you and I. I'm not sure about my creme brulee. It wasn't for public consumption.
4:41 Jessie Ware? I'm sure it's gonna be great though. And the arc here is gonna be that everyone says your creme brulee is amazing.
4:45 Speaker 01 No, it won't. It'll be fine.
4:48 Jessie Ware? Okay, well, I made an emergency cookie in case. Toasted jam, miso, white chocolate cookie. Lungi's always baking.
4:56 Speaker 01 Oh my God, I'd like to meet Lungi.
4:59 Jessie Ware? Well, you're gonna taste a very delicious cookie.
5:02 Speaker 01 Looks fabulous.
5:03 Jessie Ware? Yeah, so we're gonna have cookies and creme brulee. I think this is fine.
5:06 Speaker 01 Good.
5:06 Jessie Ware? Hilary Duff coming up on table.
5:17 Jessie Ware? Hilary Duff, as I live and breathe.
5:21 Jessie Ware? You look fantastic.
5:22 Speaker 01 Gorgeous.
5:24 Jessie Ware? Are you slightly tired? Cause after a sold out fabulous return to the stage last night.
5:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:31 Jessie Ware? Does it feel good?
5:32 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
5:33 Jessie Ware? Did you get any sleep last night?
5:35 Speaker 02 No.
5:35 Jessie Ware? Was the adrenaline just going?
5:36 Speaker 02 My body was like, but, um, no, I got four hours of sleep. So, but I know.
5:42 Jessie Ware? Crack open the dark.
5:43 Speaker 02 I know. And we call them dirty, dirty diet cokes. I try not to drink them too often.
5:48 Jessie Ware? Oh, shut up, Hilary. It's fine.
5:49 Speaker 01 Why is that?
5:50 Speaker 02 Dirty, dirty diet coke.
5:52 Speaker 01 What's dirty, dirty?
5:53 Jessie Ware? Okay, let's enjoy it, shall we? Jesus.
5:56 Speaker 02 Is this one mine?
5:57 Jessie Ware? Yeah, crack. And then, you know, I did get some orange wine because you do sing about it on the record. So you're gonna have to educate us on orange wine because I can't stand it.
6:07 Speaker 02 You hate it?
6:08 Jessie Ware? I'm gonna be selfless.
6:09 Speaker 02 Isn't wine a wine, baby? Like, let's get our buzz on.
6:11 Jessie Ware? I feel.
6:13 Speaker 02 No?
6:13 Jessie Ware? Feel like it's a little, I can't do too, no. Farmyard, I was gonna say.
6:18 Speaker 02 Oh, Farmyard. Oh.
6:20 Jessie Ware? Do you know what I mean? But it's a little funky.
6:21 Speaker 02 Too earthy.
6:22 Jessie Ware? Do you like a Natty? A Natty wine?
6:25 Speaker 02 To be honest with you, I prefer like a Saint Sarah Sauvignon Blanc.
6:28 Jessie Ware? Oh, I've probably got something like that too babes. What would you prefer?
6:32 Speaker 02 So my, I love that you listened and you.
6:34 Jessie Ware? By the way, I didn't just listen. I studied and I respect and love the record. I think it's fantastic. I think you're gonna have a fabulous time because honestly, Hilary, like it's really great. And I, and I have to say, I think we're obviously, are you gonna turn forty soon?
6:54 Speaker 02 I am thirty eight. I'll be thirty nine in September.
6:56 Jessie Ware? So I'm a couple, I'm a couple of years older than you, maybe three, three or four years, whatever. But I kind of missed you the first time around. And I knew so yesterday and you were played on the radio. But I really, I feel like, and I, I've listened to all the records and I feel like this makes so much sense that you've made this record. And it's a kind of continuation. I don't feel like you've gone like this to any of your fans who I know you adore. It's kind of like they've grown up with you.
7:22 Speaker 02 Yeah.
7:23 Jessie Ware? And as a mother of three and a working mom and, and a singer and doing all these different bits and bobs. I really related to a lot of the.
7:33 Speaker 02 Content.
7:33 Jessie Ware? Content.
7:34 Speaker 02 Thanks.
7:35 Jessie Ware? And you know, I'm not necessarily giving head in the dive bar yet.
7:39 Speaker 02 Me not, me not. You can't say that in front of Lenny.
7:42 Jessie Ware? Oh shit, we've been talking about what I'm gonna do.
7:44 Speaker 01 Talking about what you do at the, with your roommate, down at the front door.
7:48 Jessie Ware? Oh no. I love that you say you can't talk about it with Lenny. It's a single babes.
7:52 Speaker 02 No, I know, I know.
7:54 Jessie Ware? So who is giving head in the dive bar, Hilary?
7:58 Speaker 02 I was just talking about this on the radio and I was like, I feel, you know what, raunchy is like a big word that you guys use in, in England. Like that's not.
8:06 Speaker 01 I've got it used in the States.
8:07 Speaker 02 Like it, it feels like very like, it feels naughty. Like raunchy is like naughty.
8:12 Speaker 01 It's naughty.
8:12 Speaker 02 Okay, so when I listen.
8:14 Speaker 01 Nice naughty.
8:15 Speaker 02 Okay.
8:15 Jessie Ware? Elevated.
8:16 Speaker 02 Elevated naughty.
8:17 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
8:17 Speaker 02 We'll take it.
8:18 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
8:18 Speaker 02 I think if you listen to the song as a whole, you realize that the theme is like, actually like a desperate plea to like, get back to a place with someone that is lost.
8:27 Jessie Ware? Yes.
8:28 Speaker 02 And so like, back of the dive bar giving you head is like. Reminiscing on like a wilder, freer time. I've never actually given head in the back of a dive bar. I don't want to make anybody sad, but actually never have. Still time.
8:43 Speaker 01 It's a dive bar.
8:45 Speaker 02 Oh, a dive bar is like a dirty, grungy little like corner.
8:48 Jessie Ware? Like what? You'll have like a pickleback with you. You'll you'll have a chaser.
8:51 Speaker 02 Yeah, you guys don't have dive bars here?
8:53 Jessie Ware? But like we have.
8:54 Speaker 02 It's like not a fancy spot. It's just like a neighborhood.
8:57 Speaker 01 So you walk, I can imagine where it is in in kind of New York. You walk down some steps and it's.
9:03 Speaker 02 And like maybe there's like no windows.
9:05 Jessie Ware? Football's playing or they've got like good, what kind of music would be in a dive bar?
9:09 Speaker 01 Rock? They don't, do they have music in a dive?
9:12 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
9:13 Speaker 01 Okay.
9:14 Speaker 02 I guess it just depends on what kind of bar, like if it's a sports bar, they're probably like playing rock, right?
9:20 Jessie Ware? Where do you imagine yourself giving head? Which kind of dive bar? Jessica. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking.
9:24 Speaker 02 I hope they feel like spinning a record like vinyl, like that seems a little cooler.
9:28 Jessie Ware? With natural ones.
9:29 Speaker 02 Let's elevate this, okay?
9:32 Jessie Ware? I love this.
9:33 Speaker 02 Lenny, what about you? What would they be playing?
9:35 Speaker 01 In a dive bar? God, probably Tamla Motown.
9:39 Jessie Ware? Oh, okay.
9:40 Speaker 02 What's that? What's about your fantasies?
9:42 Speaker 01 Tamla Motown.
9:43 Speaker 02 What is it? Educate me.
9:45 Jessie Ware? You know what? Motown.
9:46 Speaker 02 Oh, Motown.
9:47 Jessie Ware? Yeah, why do you say Tamla?
9:49 Speaker 01 That's what it was always called, Tamla Motown.
9:51 Jessie Ware? Okay.
9:52 Speaker 02 Tamla.
9:52 Jessie Ware? Tamla.
9:53 Speaker 01 Tamla, I don't know. Adam will tell me why it was called Tamla Motown. That was the label, Tamla Motown.
9:58 Jessie Ware? Was it?
9:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:00 Jessie Ware? Label people in the back. Well, thank you, thank you. Um, but I think that like, you know, talking about drinking wine, reminiscing, it's all these things. I mean, I guess when you you've got three, four kids.
10:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
10:11 Jessie Ware? And what I find interesting is that you made this record with your husband.
10:16 Speaker 02 Hmm.
10:17 Jessie Ware? Who you've made music with before.
10:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
10:20 Jessie Ware? But was this kind of, I want to know, was the conversations about these songs, did they happen before making? Or did the the deep conversation have to happen after you came out with some of these lines? Like, I feel like, was it very therapeutic? Was it, um, confronting?
10:38 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think it was a, it was a combination of both, but, um, the thing that was, I knew I only wanted to work with him on the record, right? And, um.
10:51 Jessie Ware? Why is that?
10:52 Speaker 02 I had never made a record like that before where I got to really, I don't want to say I don't control the narrative because like I'm so involved in all the records that I've made, but I've never, like, I've never really like put the gates up and just been like, very like singular about it, I guess, or insular about it. Is that the better word? Like, it's always been like, oh, like, you should be working with this person because they have this song and this song and like, and you should fly to Sweden because all the pop stuff's coming out of Sweden and you should like, a lot of like input, input, input. And not that it was bad, it totally like, got me on my way. Like it, it was my journey and my path and it took, but it took me getting to this age to be like, how do I want to do this?
11:37 Jessie Ware? Have your own autonomy.
11:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
11:39 Jessie Ware? And be true to yourself.
11:41 Speaker 02 And be true to myself and make something that was just like really, really, I mean, I took 10 years off and I did a whole bunch of life in during that 10 years as a human being would, but Matt has had a front row seat to that whole timeframe, you know, so it just seemed like the themes that would come that are like heavily threaded through the record are very just like me and things that I've gone through and it didn't make sense to like bring anybody else into that.
12:11 Jessie Ware? I guess that's what I think is so telling about the lyrics because they are incredibly open, you know, something like The Optimist. It's like, you know, it's heartbreaking and
12:21 Speaker 02 Yeah.
12:21 Jessie Ware? And you know, I guess you felt safe enough with your partner to be able to put that into music. It wasn't like working with strangers and being like, how do I explain this part of my life? And I found that really engaging and, and interesting. And, and also, you know, we were talking about this before. We're going to get on to, you know, your start and all of that, but um, you were kind of the first Disney star to go and do all the rest, like the pop, the breakout, you know, the Miley's, the Demis and Selena's came after you.
12:53 Speaker 02 Yeah.
12:54 Jessie Ware? And, you know, I heard lots of these references on the record, maybe I'm wrong, but like, I could hear a bit of Taylor Swift in there or like a bit of Sabrina and I, and we thought about this and we were like, well, they were probably all listening to you when they were little.
13:06 Speaker 02 Yeah.
13:07 Jessie Ware? And they grew up on you. So it's kind of gone full circle.
13:10 Speaker 02 Yeah.
13:10 Jessie Ware? Is that right?
13:11 Speaker 02 Well, yeah, but I have a really hard time talking about. Other female artists and like trying to compare or like find, you know, the in the internet is so fast to hear something one time and then be like, oh, reheated Sabrina and you're like,
13:28 Speaker 02 first of all.
13:29 Jessie Ware? By the way, I'm not saying it's reheated Sabrina.
13:31 Speaker 02 No, no, no, no, I'm just saying like a cruel like internet take is like wild and you're like, well, I will, I am older and I was here first and you know, it's not, there's like plenty of space, obviously for everyone, but every, music is just, it's very hard to be completely original anymore. You just have to go in the studio and make what you think is cool and make what feels, what you want to fucking blast in the car, excuse my French and, and be alone with your like windows down driving. Like that's the record that I wanted to make. And you know, it's pop. So pop is pop and a lot of that takes like cues from other songs or sounds. And if anything, it's a compliment because like these women are out there and
14:15 Speaker 02 feels like they've put a lot more time in than me. I stepped away to have a family, you know?
14:19 Jessie Ware? I don't know, but you were working at a very young age, babe. That was like your sabbatical that you were having. You were well deserving.
14:24 Speaker 01 But it's quite guttural, some of the lyrics, like Alonis Morissette, for example. I mean, she's very guttural, you know, in her, her openness and raw feelings. Yeah. How old your oldest child?
14:37 Speaker 02 He's 13.
14:38 Speaker 01 Will he be listening to it?
14:39 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah. He's listened to the record.
14:41 Speaker 01 And have you had to explain anything to him?
14:44 Speaker 02 Well, he hasn't asked about, I feel like talking about some of the roommate, roommate lyrics or something. Um, he doesn't bring it up, but I've, we've already had the talk about everything and I've explained everything to him.
14:59 Speaker 01 So you don't have to shield him from it?
15:01 Speaker 02 No. At 13, what am I gonna?
15:03 Speaker 01 Yeah. No, no, no, you won't shield him, but I wondered if, yeah.
15:07 Speaker 02 If he was like embarrassed or something by it?
15:08 Speaker 01 Or his friends might tease him about it.
15:10 Jessie Ware? Oh God, make her feel.
15:11 Speaker 02 No, I've already thought about it.
15:15 Speaker 01 I just wondered whether she, of course you've thought about it. Yeah.
15:18 Speaker 02 I mean, I really desperately love to embarrass him. I feel like it's my right as a parent. But his friends think I'm cool for the like time being.
15:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:27 Speaker 02 Um, and sometimes I ask if it's embarrassing to him. He's the kindest, sweetest angel baby of all time. Like he's just all good inside. And so it's like, like he. He's just like, I'm really proud of you, mom. I'm really proud of you. I know, it makes me wanna cry.
15:44 Speaker 01 No, I'm gonna cry now.
15:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, but when he does, if he does ask something, I'm gonna be like, hey, guess what? Like, outside of being your mom, I'm a human. And I think that's just a great way to like, open the conversation to connect with him. So he knows that anything that he could ever think or feel or say or do, he could come to me about, you know?
16:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:01 Speaker 02 And I think that's really important.
16:02 Speaker 01 By the way, you don't look like a mom of four. She looked, honestly, you looked so young.
16:08 Speaker 02 Really young.
16:09 Jessie Ware? How old were you when you?
16:10 Speaker 02 I was twenty four.
16:11 Jessie Ware? Yeah, wow.
16:12 Speaker 01 That is quite young.
16:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
16:14 Speaker 01 Probably isn't quite young for the old days, but it is quite young these days, yeah.
16:18 Jessie Ware? So I'm sure you kind of, I don't know, like, you probably felt more grown up than the usual twenty four year old because you'd had a working job from the age of, what, nine?
16:27 Speaker 02 Yes, and I was so ready to like, have something that belonged to just me. You know, like, so I was ready, like, he was planned and, but it was really a wild choice. When I look back as a thirty eight year old now, I'm like, who was that pregnant? Getting like, doing such adult things, even though I, you know, employed people and like, made millions of dollars and like, traveled around the world like, with a major, major job. Um, that was definitely the biggest like, grown up responsibility, you know?
17:00 Jessie Ware? As somebody who does music and I have three kids and I have a slight envy of you that you were able to take this time out. And I'm not saying you weren't doing it, I think, in the time when you weren't, you know, your last record was ten years ago.
17:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
17:13 Jessie Ware? But I do, there's something really beautiful that you, you, you really talk about this a lot and, like, celebrating that time with your children. And I feel like my career is happening at the same ti- you know what I mean? And, and so.
17:28 Speaker 02 So you're like, don't get the time with them that you?
17:30 Jessie Ware? I mean, I get as much time as possible and I try and like, you know, I try and, I'm gonna do the school pickup and I, you know, I do all the things, I'll make sure, I'll, I'll be putting them to bed, but there's time when I'm not gonna be here and so.
17:40 Speaker 02 Right.
17:40 Jessie Ware? But also think, you know, things take you away and I think.
17:43 Speaker 01 I think it was harder at the beginning.
17:45 Jessie Ware? I think it definitely was harder at the beginning and I think we found our feet and I have an amazing support network and I've been able to like, work it out better, but I do think it's. Kind of wonderful that you were able to focus in and I'm interested and I don't wanna sound like that kind of textbook, well, how are you gonna manage your job because you're a woman. It's not that at all, but like touring is gonna be different for you this time around, huh?
18:09 Speaker 02 I know.
18:09 Jessie Ware? Um, do you plan to like bring the kids with? Cause I know, is your husband here at the moment?
18:14 Speaker 02 He, he's such an angel that he flew in to the show with me, flew out this morning. I know, he's gonna go back, have like two days with our kids so they don't not have one of us there and then meet me in Toronto, do the same and then we'll go to New York and then our nanny's flying with our baby because I can't go, I can't go 10 days.
18:32 Jessie Ware? How old's your baby?
18:33 Speaker 02 She's 21 months. I know, I know. And she's so cute. You guys, she's obsessed with seaweed right now. And so she's learned how to say it and she's like, fui fuied.
18:43 Jessie Ware? Fui fuied.
18:44 Speaker 02 Fui fuied. And we're like, I just wanna like watch the video on repeat over and over again. But um, I got divorced from my son's dad and I was filming younger at the time. So I spent a ton of time away and it was really hard because I was like on the East Coast and I didn't wanna like disrupt his life. And so he was like in kindergarten already and the school's very like, you know, the kids can't miss and it's not like, you know, it's.
19:10 Jessie Ware? Do you live in LA?
19:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:11 Jessie Ware? Okay.
19:12 Speaker 02 Yeah. But I, I do, I did exactly the same. Like I just had to find the support system and you know, the people around that have like basically become our family that can help, you know, know that every single one of our days looks different. Like it's not.
19:28 Jessie Ware? Yes.
19:28 Speaker 02 It's not. And they, they can just like adapt and know what's needed and like jump in and, and be like so helpful and comforting and loving and whatever and be my brain for me when I can't be the one to like, you know, orchestrate the ship. But I think they'll come on tour. And the other thing that happened to me a couple of weeks ago was I was in rehearsal and surprises really.
19:52 Speaker 02 I'm not good with surprises because I like to process and like
19:55 Jessie Ware? Cause you're a control freak, Hilary?
19:57 Speaker 02 I don't think I'm a control freak. You can actually ask my whole team that here. I barely ask any questions. I just show up and I'm like, okay, someone's figured it out for me.
20:05 Jessie Ware? But you don't like surprises?
20:06 Speaker 02 I don't love surprises because I get nervous that like my reaction wasn't as
20:11 Jessie Ware? Oh, I understand that.
20:11 Speaker 02 what people wanted it to be.
20:12 Jessie Ware? Okay, yeah.
20:13 Speaker 02 And I just need to like get my head around it and then I'm happy usually.
20:16 Jessie Ware? What did they do to you?
20:17 Speaker 02 They brought my tour bus out and they like pulled me out of rehearsal and they were like, they were so excited to like, this gorgeous bus and it was absolutely gorgeous and so nice, but I was like,
20:29 Speaker 02 how am I gonna live on this with my four kids?
20:31 Jessie Ware? Yeah, okay.
20:32 Speaker 02 There were like little slots for beds and like I just forget all of this.
20:35 Jessie Ware? Do you have a star room at the back?
20:35 Speaker 02 Also, by the way, kids have to poop all the time. There's no poop in another bus.
20:38 Jessie Ware? I'm very worried about that.
20:39 Speaker 02 Where are we stopping? What are we doing?
20:41 Jessie Ware? You can do the cling film trick.
20:42 Speaker 02 What, like put every single time?
20:44 Jessie Ware? No, I know. No, I know. I know.
20:46 Speaker 02 I have to like, you're like,
20:47 Jessie Ware? Have they not? Not that I have done the cling film trick.
20:50 Speaker 01 Excuse me, have they not elevated tour buses so you can have a poo?
20:53 Jessie Ware? Sort it out. Why? It's mad.
20:56 Speaker 02 I know.
20:56 Jessie Ware? Maybe we should go into that process of sorting out, being allowed to poo on a bus.
21:02 Speaker 02 Don't you just feel like a good table conversation always sometimes ends talking about poop? Like this has to. It's just the thing.
21:08 Jessie Ware? It's not, we're just starting.
21:10 Speaker 02 Lenny's like, no.
21:10 Jessie Ware? No, we love, I love, I, I mean, I'm kind of obsessed with, I think from having children. It's that like.
21:16 Speaker 02 It becomes a very comfortable topic.
21:17 Jessie Ware? Yes, I love it.
21:18 Speaker 02 Yeah.
21:18 Jessie Ware? Okay, we're gonna start, start talking about some food. We are gonna feed you as well.
21:22 Speaker 01 But I need to know, you were born and brought up where?
21:26 Speaker 02 In Texas.
21:27 Speaker 01 In Texas. So how did that, when you started at, because you were a child star. So did your whole family move with you?
21:35 Speaker 02 No.
21:36 Speaker 01 Oh, wow. So where did you live?
21:39 Speaker 02 So my mom started bringing us out to LA for like a few months at a time for like the seasons. There's like an episodic season and um, I forget what the other one's called, more movies type additions. And um. Is that like pilot season? Pilot season. That's in January, isn't it? It used to be, I don't know. Okay. I can't remember, but yes, yes. Um, and we were there for like a few months and we go back to Texas and we come back and go back and forth. You haven't got much of a Texan accent. Yeah, you, we, when we got out to LA, we got teased enough that you just drop it. Oh, my goodness.
22:18 Speaker 02 I know. People thought we would like, we had like just dirt roads and like, you know, LA kids are not like, they're like, think that we like ride to school on horses and stuff. Love a steak. Yeah, I thought you. Love to steak. Let's paint the picture. What's a memorable meal from your childhood and who was eating round the dinner table? Okay, so my dad used to cook a lot of steaks. Yeah. Um, and he also used to go deer hunting. So we eat like. Oh, my God. Okay. I know. Bambi. Bambi. Oh, my God. I know, I know. I mean, I didn't know any better. Delicious. No, I'm sure. Um, I used to remember that they would also like go quail hunting. Have you ever eaten quail?
23:02 Speaker 02 I've eaten quail legs, I think. Yeah, I've had quail once or twice. Okay, so when they shoot, why am I talking about this? This is so random. Because we're on a food podcast, babe. Okay, so when they shoot quail, it like sprays. And so the bullet like sprays. So when you like eat it. You get shrapnel, yeah. Yes, and they used to call it shot. And they'd be like, careful, don't get shot in your teeth or something. And you don't wanna like bite down too hard. You don't wanna chink your teeth. Yeah. So we ate some pretty crazy things. Tiny though, quail. Yeah, they're really small. And they shot them? I think they had to get them down somehow. Yeah, they do. Do they fly in packs? I don't remember these, these. You were going out on that. I wasn't doing it. A memorable dish is really like what your dad would bring in.
23:45 Speaker 02 Okay, but my mom also cooked too. And so like casserole, yeah, she's a pretty good cook. Casseroles and stuff. And it was you and your sister around the dinner table. And then, um. We always had like a salad. Okay. Ate most meals together. Or like, sorry, dinner. What time did you eat dinner? Early, like five thirty. Yeah, that would, you'd be, I, I love it. That's my favorite. Baby, I'm back. I'm back. I want the early reservation. I want to be the first one walking in the restaurant. Oh, my God. I want to be in bed by nine o'clock, nine thirty. Same.
24:15 Speaker 01 You make reservations for five thirty?
24:18 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
24:18 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
24:19 Jessie Ware? I'm like outside the door.
24:21 Speaker 02 And it feels so good. Get a glass of wine in.
24:24 Speaker 01 On holiday.
24:25 Speaker 02 Oh, I did, and I was devastated. I was, I've never been like, I don't even mean hungover by like alcohol, just tired hungover. I was just like rocked.
24:34 Speaker 01 We don't eat till ten in Greece.
24:35 Speaker 02 That is not okay.
24:37 Jessie Ware? No, I agree.
24:38 Speaker 02 I'm not hungry at that point. I've gone like, what?
24:41 Speaker 01 It depends how your day's gone, really, and you've had a little sleep.
24:44 Jessie Ware? Well, when you have young children that are waking up at the crack of dawn.
24:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, I don't know about that, like luxurious lifestyle. You show me the ways.
24:52 Jessie Ware? Okay, so I'm gonna put the salmon on.
24:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm gonna carry on.
24:55 Jessie Ware? And you're gonna carry on chatting, but I'm gonna assemble. We're gonna have a sticky miso salmon bowl with like sushi rice and radish. It's gonna be, I felt like this is what you needed after your big night last night.
25:09 Speaker 02 Yeah, I just wanna let you know I did not eat yesterday.
25:12 Speaker 01 Oh, wow, so get going, Jess.
25:14 Jessie Ware? You were nervous.
25:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
25:15 Speaker 01 So she's starving, that's the key.
25:18 Speaker 02 Get on it, Jessie.
25:18 Speaker 01 Jessie, Jessie, um, did you notice that Hillary said she liked sauvignon or a sansé?
25:26 Jessie Ware? Yes.
25:27 Speaker 02 We're ready for the booze.
25:28 Jessie Ware? What I got, okay?
25:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, we could have a little drink.
25:30 Jessie Ware? I wanna make sure that you're okay. Yeah, okay, hold on. Right, what is that? Oh, that looks a bit of you, babe, but maybe not, hold on.
25:37 Speaker 02 That looks nice.
25:38 Jessie Ware? Okay, it's a Chardonnay, though.
25:39 Speaker 01 Ooh. No, me too. Completely with you. It made me feel sick if I had them.
25:46 Speaker 02 Wait, is it a French Chardonnay? Because I think that's different.
25:48 Jessie Ware? Fucking mine.
25:48 Speaker 01 No, darling, so they're too creamy and ugh.
25:52 Jessie Ware? You liked, you liked the look of it, though, didn't you?
25:55 Speaker 02 I did.
25:56 Speaker 01 No, Jessie, it'll be all creamy and dreary.
25:58 Jessie Ware? I don't know what that is, because I can't read Italian.
26:01 Speaker 02 We don't want dreary.
26:02 Jessie Ware? God, you fucking idiot.
26:04 Speaker 01 Let me see, darling, because I can read.
26:06 Jessie Ware? I don't know, it's Italian, oh, you, oh, you're, is that Liang, okay, cool.
26:10 Speaker 01 It's a.
26:10 Jessie Ware? And I've got, I've got a fizzy orange, which is maybe what we're.
26:13 Speaker 01 San Germaniano, it's, it probably is quite nice, better than Chardonnay.
26:20 Speaker 01 I hate Chardonnay.
26:21 Speaker 02 I hate Chardonnay.
26:22 Speaker 01 Me too.
26:23 Speaker 02 I know. You like it?
26:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
26:26 Speaker 02 You're like an old man. Only old men drink Chardonnay.
26:29 Jessie Ware? Get out of my house.
26:30 Speaker 01 They do. It's true.
26:32 Jessie Ware? I love Chardonnay.
26:33 Speaker 02 You don't.
26:33 Jessie Ware? I do, actually.
26:34 Speaker 01 Why?
26:35 Jessie Ware? Duh. It's actually very chic to like it now.
26:38 Speaker 02 It's very.
26:39 Speaker 01 No, it isn't, Charlie. No, it's not.
26:41 Speaker 02 By the way, I also know nothing about wine. So.
26:44 Speaker 01 This might be nice.
26:45 Speaker 02 Me neither. I really don't. I just can taste it and say I like it or I don't.
26:49 Jessie Ware? That's exactly what I do.
26:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
26:52 Speaker 02 But sometimes like a nine dollar bottle I love and like.
26:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
26:55 Speaker 02 You know what I mean?
26:56 Speaker 01 Let me see. Cheers, darling.
26:59 Speaker 02 Here, Jessie, we're cheersing you.
27:00 Jessie Ware? Is it okay?
27:01 Speaker 01 Oh, it's nice.
27:02 Speaker 02 It is nice.
27:03 Jessie Ware? Fine.
27:03 Speaker 02 Fresh.
27:04 Speaker 01 It's fresh.
27:05 Speaker 02 I don't meet a lot of wines I don't like, to be honest.
27:07 Speaker 01 Me neither.
27:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, except for Chardonnay.
27:10 Speaker 01 To be perfectly honest, I can drink anything.
27:13 Jessie Ware? Right.
27:13 Speaker 02 Do you like a chilled red? Anybody like a chilled red?
27:15 Jessie Ware? I love a chilled red. I love a Lambrusco.
27:17 Speaker 02 I love a Lambrusco.
27:19 Jessie Ware? We're back in. We're fine, boys. Thank you.
27:21 Speaker 02 We can be friends again?
27:22 Jessie Ware? Yes.
27:22 Speaker 01 Lambrusco. Is Lambrusco now a thing?
27:25 Speaker 02 Oh, it's cool again.
27:26 Speaker 01 Oh, my God, that fizzy wine.
27:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, red, fizzy red.
27:29 Speaker 01 Fizzy red that kids take to pop festivals, pretend.
27:33 Jessie Ware? No, it's quite chic now. Um, Mum, why don't you ask Hillary about the Last Supper?
27:38 Speaker 01 I'm going to ask you, first of all, do you cook?
27:41 Speaker 02 Yes.
27:42 Speaker 01 And what do you like to cook?
27:44 Speaker 02 I'm just kind of a basic cook, but I love to make a steak.
27:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:49 Speaker 02 Um, I love to roast veggies.
27:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:52 Speaker 02 We roast a lot of like broccolini.
27:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:54 Speaker 02 I make this good cauliflower with like vinegar and raisins and like parsley and caper and
28:00 Speaker 01 Oh, delicious.
28:01 Speaker 02 Like if you want like a pecan or something in there and then a bunch of parsley and you chop it all up and you can pure, you can, what's it called? Pulse it in the food processor? And then you put it on the roaster broccoli and it's so good.
28:14 Speaker 01 And they'll eat broccoli that way?
28:16 Speaker 02 My kids will eat, sorry, I put that on cauliflower. But honestly, it would be good on broccoli too. I've just never thought to do it.
28:22 Speaker 01 It'd be good on broccoli.
28:23 Speaker 02 Yeah. And then, you know, they're kids, so.
28:26 Speaker 01 Have chips?
28:27 Speaker 02 Mac and cheese.
28:28 Speaker 01 Oh, mac and cheese?
28:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, noodles.
28:30 Speaker 01 Noodles.
28:31 Speaker 02 Rice. I make a lot of rice. I'm from Texas, so we eat more rice than noodles there.
28:35 Speaker 01 Do you?
28:36 Speaker 02 Yeah.
28:36 Speaker 01 Why is that?
28:37 Speaker 02 And my mom taught me how to make this amazing rice. It's very simple.
28:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:41 Speaker 02 But you put the rice in the pot with no oil so it gets toasted.
28:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:46 Speaker 02 And then you add the. The the water or the broth, sometimes I do chicken broth. Which rice do you use? Like basmati. Yeah. Like a white long grain. Um, and then I will chop an onion and grill an onion and get it like really soft. And some garlic. Yeah, add that. And then at the end, I like toss it with cilantro and it's so good. Do you eat out a lot? Uh huh. Where do you eat out when you eat out? Okay, we have this very cute neighborhood Mexican restaurant called Casa Vega. Yeah. And we eat at. Oh, I love it. I've got I've got the jumper. You do? And the girl from Nobody Wants This was wearing it and I was like, I've got that jumper. It's like the baseball top. Yes. I love Casa Vega. Okay.
29:31 Speaker 02 Wicked. So Casa Vega is great, like little neighborhood spot. Our kids love going. They're accepting of like the mayhem. And what would you order there? Oh, gosh. Okay, so they have this thing called mojito. Oh, my gosh, I need to explain. Okay, it's a bit like a, you know, when you get fajitas? Yeah. And it's like you get like chicken or shrimp or bacon, chicken or whatever. And then it it comes with like, you know, the tortillas and rice and beans on the thing. A mojito is like a, it almost, you know, like a brick, no, a mortar and pestle? Yeah. Okay, it looks like a big, bigger one of those. And there's beef, chicken and shrimp inside. Yeah. And then there's a pepper that's almost like a chili relleno. Yeah.
30:15 Speaker 02 But like not fried and it's stuffed with a cheese, like a, um. Wow. What's, I know, it's a big, it's a sharing meal. Yeah. And then it has like a special sauce. Yeah. Then that's what makes it the mojito. And like usually in like a Mexican family, they'll have their own special recipe, like their special sauce. And so Casa Vega's happens to be really good. So your children don't mind spicy foods? Some of them eat spicy food and some of them don't. My four year old doesn't yet. My seven year old does, but I think she really enjoys the thrill of the spice, but doesn't really like eating it. And it's a fun restaurant. It's a fun restaurant, yeah. And we go to sushi a lot. We go to this place called Kiwami. Do you know Kiwami? Do you have a T-shirt from there? No? No, should I?
30:56 Jessie Ware? Okay. Me and you, we're getting a five thirty res.
31:00 Speaker 02 Great.
31:00 Jessie Ware? Me and you, we're gonna fight over wine.
31:02 Speaker 01 When we come over next.
31:03 Jessie Ware? Done.
31:04 Speaker 01 Did you, what I'm interested, because you were a child star. How did that interfere with your education? I mean, did you have a private?
31:13 Speaker 02 Zero education.
31:13 Speaker 01 You had zero education.
31:15 Speaker 02 I know a lot about a lot of things.
31:17 Speaker 01 But you're clever.
31:18 Speaker 02 Oh, thanks.
31:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, you put, you, you come across as really smart.
31:21 Jessie Ware? You were homeschooled, right? Barely? Okay, got it.
31:23 Speaker 01 Yeah. Have you done any kind of orthodox education or traditional?
31:29 Speaker 02 My mom was like, can you just go get your GED? Do you guys have a GED here?
31:32 Speaker 01 What is that?
31:33 Speaker 02 It's like the most basic credential of an education.
31:36 Speaker 01 And educational certificate.
31:38 Jessie Ware? Can I just ask, do you like your salmon cooked all the way through? You don't? Okay, good.
31:43 Speaker 01 Do you, do you, is that, would you like to do something? I mean, you're doing things, you've taken a bit of a sabbatical. You've had your children, you're now back with doing your music. Do you think there's a time when you might do some further education? Because you feel you've missed out or you're quite happy?
32:01 Speaker 02 I'm happy and I feel like I educated myself on my own of like different things I was interested in.
32:10 Speaker 01 Like re- reading?
32:11 Speaker 02 I love to read.
32:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, you're a big reader.
32:13 Speaker 02 I mean, I don't have as much time as I would like to read, but I really enjoy reading.
32:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:17 Speaker 02 But I think I'm past the window of like caring that my education wasn't great.
32:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:23 Speaker 02 Because I feel like I got strengths in other areas and that kind of like helps. And I'm not like shy to ask a question about something. Like I know that my life was different than most and like I don't need to be embarrassed that I don't know when like a certain war took place, like there's Google for that and ChatGPT. And honest, and honestly, something that's been so cool is connecting to my kid and having him teach me stuff that I didn't know about because he is getting a really great education.
32:50 Speaker 01 But are you aspirational for him?
32:53 Speaker 02 Yeah.
32:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:54 Speaker 02 It'll be way more important for them to.
32:55 Speaker 01 So you you would stick, because I noticed you said about touring, that you wanted to make sure that your kids can stay in school. And that's important. So your husband's gone straight back.
33:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
33:08 Speaker 01 To make sure the kids are okay.
33:09 Speaker 02 We are like a very routine based family and I just noticed my kids do so much better.
33:15 Jessie Ware? Okay, I think it's like on the edge of being, it's not overcooked, but it's definitely, um, it's got a little, it's not as raw as I think you would have wanted, and I'm sorry.
33:24 Speaker 02 This is stunning. I've never made a piece of fish that looks this beautiful.
33:28 Jessie Ware? You're very sweet. It's um, a a New York Times recipe. So it's um, Andy Baragani.
33:34 Speaker 02 Do you always like cook this colorful?
33:37 Jessie Ware? I, I kind of do, but like I wanted to make sure that you like, I felt like, I know what it's like, the day after you're on a tour, you're back, I just felt like you needed like good shit in you.
33:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
33:50 Jessie Ware? Um, enjoy.
33:51 Speaker 02 My midwives um, told me to eat the rainbow, so I tried to do that a lot.
33:56 Speaker 01 It's really delicious, Jess.
33:58 Jessie Ware? It's a good recipe. It's got, it's got, um.
34:02 Speaker 02 Shut up, you are a very good cook.
34:03 Jessie Ware? You're very sweet. I followed a recipe.
34:06 Speaker 02 I.
34:06 Jessie Ware? It's nice though. Do you want some salt or anything?
34:08 Speaker 02 No, it's so great. Um, back to that conversation about my kids.
34:13 Jessie Ware? Yep.
34:14 Speaker 02 I desperately don't want my life to become like this big looming shadow over how they have to like live their life.
34:21 Speaker 01 Okay.
34:22 Speaker 02 And it's like one of my biggest fears about like going on tour and being so much like more like forward facing. Because they're the like stars of our household, you know?
34:35 Speaker 01 They're the stars of our household.
34:36 Speaker 02 I want to like try my best to like preserve that.
34:41 Jessie Ware? So if it all goes incredibly well.
34:44 Speaker 02 Mm hmm.
34:45 Jessie Ware? Which I feel like it is going to. And can we talk about now that you have more dates? So this was your little, your little appetizer.
34:55 Jessie Ware? This Sheppes Bush Empire, give me the stats on this, it sold out in like seconds and tickets were going for over a grand outside last night.
35:04 Speaker 02 Wait, really? I didn't know that.
35:06 Jessie Ware? No, I mean, it's not your fault. It's fantastic for you. So, um, people were like selling them for over a grand last night.
35:12 Speaker 02 See, that makes me upset.
35:14 Jessie Ware? Yeah, but it's kind of cool too.
35:15 Speaker 02 No, it's very.
35:16 Jessie Ware? It's upsetting, but it's, it's also, there's a demand for you.
35:19 Speaker 02 One hundred percent.
35:19 Jessie Ware? So what's going on later in the year?
35:22 Speaker 02 So like Big Daddy, Big Daddy Tour is going on sale.
35:27 Jessie Ware? Is that what it's called?
35:28 Speaker 02 I, it's what I'm calling it.
35:29 Jessie Ware? Okay, the Big Daddy Tour.
35:30 Speaker 02 I mean, yeah, they're the big, big rooms.
35:32 Jessie Ware? Okay, so tell us where you're playing.
35:35 Speaker 02 The O2.
35:35 Jessie Ware? Oh, Muzzle Tour.
35:37 Speaker 01 Jessie, this is such a good recipe.
35:39 Jessie Ware? This is a really, it's good. It's nice.
35:41 Speaker 01 You didn't put grapefruit in though.
35:42 Jessie Ware? Yeah, it's grapefruit.
35:43 Speaker 02 What?
35:43 Jessie Ware? Grapefruit zest and grapefruit juice in the miso marinade.
35:48 Speaker 02 God, because it is so bright and like citrusy.
35:50 Jessie Ware? Mmm. So you're gonna do an arena tour in the States as well?
35:55 Speaker 02 In the States, it's going to be mixed, like amphitheaters and arenas.
36:00 Jessie Ware? Amazing.
36:00 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
36:01 Jessie Ware? And can we say when, when this tour is?
36:03 Speaker 02 The, one in the States is gonna be over the summer.
36:06 Jessie Ware? Okay, nice.
36:07 Speaker 02 And then this one will be, in, in the UK will be in September.
36:12 Jessie Ware? Do you think the kids will come along for that then? Yeah?
36:14 Speaker 02 Yeah. And I'm desperate. My son's obsessed with soccer.
36:18 Jessie Ware? Okay.
36:18 Speaker 02 So I'm desperate to sign up.
36:20 Speaker 01 Which team does he like?
36:21 Speaker 02 He's a Man City guy.
36:22 Jessie Ware? Oh, sorry mate. It was a bad, it was a bad, uh, day for the Blues at the weekend, wasn't it?
36:29 Speaker 02 Was it?
36:29 Jessie Ware? Yeah, United beat them.
36:31 Speaker 01 We're the other team, the red team.
36:33 Speaker 02 Okay, what is that called?
36:34 Speaker 01 Man United.
36:35 Speaker 02 Okay. He's a Man City kid. Why? Tell me why? Who's like an LA boy?
36:40 Speaker 01 Because I think Erling Haaland.
36:42 Jessie Ware? Also, City have been fantastic for a very long time since he's probably got into it.
36:47 Speaker 02 Okay.
36:48 Jessie Ware? So your son's a glory hunter, basically. Um, and that's okay. We've all been there. Um, so you've got to get into a game.
36:55 Speaker 02 I know. Yeah.
36:57 Jessie Ware? That's, that's really exciting.
36:58 Speaker 02 And also I think I just have to get used to like having them travel a long way for good experiences and memories for our family and then get back into routine.
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37:50 Jessie Ware? Hillary, Last Supper, starter, main, drink, dessert.
37:56 Speaker 02 Okay.
38:01 Speaker 02 Do they all have to go together?
38:02 Jessie Ware? No.
38:02 Speaker 02 Are you guys going to be disgusted if I pick things that don't go together?
38:05 Jessie Ware? No.
38:06 Speaker 02 Okay. Well, I like so many foods, so this is really hard. But one of them's an In-N-Out Burger.
38:14 Speaker 01 Oh, I love it.
38:15 Speaker 02 Like, that's, how do you get better than an In-N-Out Burger?
38:19 Speaker 01 Why is it so good?
38:20 Speaker 02 Have you ever asked for mustard fried?
38:23 Speaker 01 Oh, no.
38:23 Speaker 02 They put mustard on the burger and then they fry it. And it just like adds this depth. It's so.
38:29 Speaker 01 I don't know how they can, they onions so sweet.
38:32 Speaker 02 Do you think they add sugar? That's what I do when I grill onions.
38:35 Speaker 01 Because the onions taste. You could just eat a whole bowl of those onions. Cause they're sweet and crunchy.
38:42 Speaker 02 I know. It's so good.
38:44 Speaker 01 Whenever I've gone, I went once this time. I was just in LA and, because my other daughter lives there. And I went once and I go to the one near Eagle Rock off.
38:54 Speaker 02 Okay.
38:55 Speaker 01 I queued for an hour and I thought, this is mad. I'm queuing for a bloody.
39:00 Jessie Ware? Americans love to.
39:01 Speaker 01 Hamburguer. And we were, it was a drive-through and you couldn't even get your car around. And I just sat there and then, you know, I just had a cheeseburger.
39:12 Jessie Ware? This was incredible.
39:12 Speaker 02 How depressing, mom. How do you feel about their french fries?
39:16 Speaker 01 I didn't have any french fries. Are they delicious?
39:18 Speaker 02 No.
39:19 Speaker 01 They're a bit sad. They're a bit carboledy.
39:21 Speaker 02 Yeah, like if I'm having my last meal, I want like McDonald's french fries. And then I want an In-N-Out burger. And then I want like, my appetizer would be like caviar on a potato chip with creme fraiche and like dirty martini. And maybe a glass of red wine. And maybe a diet coke.
39:35 Jessie Ware? Mmm.
39:37 Speaker 02 It's not classy.
39:38 Jessie Ware? You gin or vodka?
39:39 Speaker 02 And vodka.
39:41 Jessie Ware? Hillary, you're back on track, babe.
39:42 Speaker 02 With a vermouth rinse.
39:44 Jessie Ware? See, I like vermouth. Do you not like too much of it then?
39:47 Speaker 02 I just like an essence.
39:48 Jessie Ware? Okay.
39:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, and I want a blue cheese olive.
39:52 Jessie Ware? Oh, every.
39:53 Speaker 02 A Casa Beltrano.
39:54 Jessie Ware? I tell you where you need, where's Casa Beltrano?
39:56 Speaker 02 That's an olive, that the like, the like, pretty coloured olive.
39:59 Jessie Ware? Okay.
39:59 Speaker 02 It's like light green.
40:00 Jessie Ware? I would like to put to you, if you have time, to go and have a dirty martini whilst you're in London, at Rita's. It's in town, it's very good.
40:09 Speaker 02 Okay.
40:10 Jessie Ware? So I sent you.
40:11 Speaker 02 Can I tell you guys, um, a confession?
40:14 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
40:15 Speaker 01 You didn't want to come today.
40:18 Speaker 02 I was so excited to come today.
40:20 Jessie Ware? She was really looking.
40:20 Speaker 02 But I did get to eat one thing before I came today.
40:23 Jessie Ware? What did you have?
40:23 Speaker 02 Because I was starving.
40:24 Jessie Ware? That's okay. Do you usually not, do you usually not have breakfast?
40:28 Speaker 02 No, I do.
40:28 Jessie Ware? Okay, that's fine. Well, this is lunch.
40:30 Speaker 02 Can I tell you what I had?
40:31 Jessie Ware? What?
40:33 Speaker 02 Salt beef.
40:35 Jessie Ware? Oh, bagel.
40:36 Speaker 01 Oh, my god, where was that?
40:38 Jessie Ware? From Bagel Bay, on Brick Lane. Was it amazing?
40:41 Speaker 01 Oh, my god.
40:42 Speaker 02 To die for.
40:43 Jessie Ware? Good.
40:43 Speaker 01 I love salt beef.
40:44 Speaker 02 Salt.
40:45 Jessie Ware? Oh, if I, if I'd known, I would have asked, did you get me a dozen?
40:48 Speaker 02 Damn, I'm so sorry.
40:49 Jessie Ware? It's okay. Oh.
40:51 Speaker 02 What a treat.
40:52 Jessie Ware? Was it fabulous?
40:53 Speaker 02 Yeah. I love, but, but I think we call that corned beef in the States.
40:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, you do.
40:57 Speaker 02 Because I saw it and I was like, oh, it's corned beef.
40:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's corned beef in the States.
41:00 Speaker 02 Salt beef makes more sense.
41:01 Speaker 01 And pastrami is pastrami.
41:03 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
41:04 Speaker 01 Because I went to Bell's Bagels up in, oh, Island Park.
41:09 Speaker 02 Okay.
41:09 Speaker 01 And we had.
41:10 Speaker 02 You're really in the Coolio part of town, you know that, right? It's not a food.
41:13 Speaker 01 Not really. Um, but we had corned beef rather than salt beef.
41:18 Jessie Ware? And they do at the counter lactoids, because every, like, Jew is, like, lactose intolerant. So they've got, like, lactoids that you can buy at the counter, because if you're gonna have a grilled cheese bagel, I think it's so sweet, yeah.
41:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:29 Jessie Ware? That's very sweet.
41:30 Speaker 02 That's my husband, my sweet little Jew husband with the bad tummy.
41:33 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:33 Speaker 02 Why?
41:34 Speaker 01 We have to go there. Jewish husbands always have bad tummies.
41:38 Speaker 01 That's where my veneer came out.
41:40 Jessie Ware? Oh.
41:41 Speaker 01 So it was three hundred dollars later, an eagle rock.
41:43 Jessie Ware? Expensive bagel.
41:46 Jessie Ware? Shocker.
41:46 Speaker 02 That's a bad day.
41:47 Jessie Ware? Told him, did we get the main? Is the starter, is the main the in and out?
41:51 Speaker 01 She's mixing it up, Jessie.
41:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think the main is the in and out.
41:54 Jessie Ware? Okay, we've got caviar. We've got lots of drinks. Dessert. Sweet tooth or not?
42:02 Speaker 02 I think my dessert, I'm more of a salty girl, but I'm not like a dummy. So of course I love sweets.
42:10 Speaker 02 I think it would be a bananas foster.
42:14 Speaker 01 What is it? Banana what?
42:16 Speaker 02 It's ice cream and then they put sugar and brandy and light it on fire and put a half a banana in there and it gets like a almost like a creme brulee topping to the banana. And then they put the hot banana on the ice cream.
42:32 Speaker 01 Wow.
42:32 Speaker 02 It's so good. Bananas foster.
42:35 Jessie Ware? Oh, that sounds fab. And I was gonna do bonafy pie today.
42:38 Speaker 02 What's that?
42:39 Speaker 01 What?
42:40 Jessie Ware? Bonafy pie? Bonafy? Do you call it bonafy?
42:43 Speaker 01 It's bananas in caramel with cream on top.
42:48 Jessie Ware? You do like a biscuit base, then you put like condensed milk that you've put, you've kind of reduced down. You're caramelizing. Don't you do like caramel? And then you put bananas and whipped cream on top. But I didn't do that.
42:59 Speaker 01 And you put.
42:59 Speaker 02 I really love creme brulee too.
43:01 Jessie Ware? Okay, good.
43:02 Speaker 01 Oh, I made a creme brulee today.
43:04 Jessie Ware? So we've got creme brulee. But also because mum was worried that they weren't good. I did some emergency backup cookies, which I feel like your kids may enjoy.
43:16 Speaker 02 Great.
43:16 Jessie Ware? It's not my recipe. But my darling nanny found it and she's fab. This is a selfless vegan. She is. She was like, what about this one? And I was like.
43:25 Speaker 01 That's a good name for a cookbook, The Selfless Vegan.
43:29 Speaker 02 Wait, that is very good.
43:31 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
43:32 Speaker 02 Trademark.
43:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:33 Jessie Ware? Okay, fine.
43:33 Speaker 01 Let's, yeah.
43:35 Speaker 02 Does a selfless vegan mean that you will sacrifice?
43:38 Jessie Ware? You'll cook meat.
43:39 Speaker 02 Got it, okay.
43:40 Jessie Ware? I'm not getting in trouble with vegans. Like, let's just, we'll make sure that that's.
43:44 Speaker 01 Okay.
43:44 Speaker 02 Yeah. We already talked about shooting quails, so.
43:46 Jessie Ware? Okay. We already, oh yeah, fair enough.
43:48 Speaker 02 We shot quails tonight.
43:49 Jessie Ware? Um, so, so, um, this cookie is not to like.
43:55 Jessie Ware? Up the stage. Your delicious.
43:57 Speaker 01 I'm sure it'll be better, it might not be.
43:59 Jessie Ware? Uh, thi- this cookie, you can take it with you, have it later, whatever. It's, you toast, you, you toast some sourdough. And you put, um, jelly, you call it jelly.
44:08 Speaker 02 What are you saying right now?
44:10 Jessie Ware? Okay.
44:10 Speaker 02 You're talking about a cookie?
44:11 Jessie Ware? Yeah babe.
44:12 Speaker 02 Okay.
44:12 Jessie Ware? Starts with toast and jelly.
44:13 Speaker 02 Okay, I make sourdough.
44:14 Jessie Ware? Really weird. So do I. My starter's on the counter. How's yours? Is it thriving?
44:19 Speaker 02 She looks gorgeous.
44:20 Jessie Ware? Well, you know what? She was sad.
44:22 Speaker 02 You really keep that lid on tight. I mean, no judgment.
44:26 Jessie Ware? Actually, babe, it's on.
44:29 Speaker 02 Loose?
44:31 Jessie Ware? Someone's put it on tighter than I would like.
44:33 Speaker 02 Let me smell it.
44:34 Speaker 01 Why don't you give her a bit to take home?
44:36 Speaker 02 No, come on, my starter's, my starter's not happy right now.
44:40 Speaker 01 Jessie, give her a bit and then you'll be connected forever.
44:43 Speaker 02 No, that smells gorgeous and she's happy. Look at her.
44:46 Jessie Ware? She's not risen yet properly and you've just upset her.
44:49 Speaker 01 Oh my god.
44:51 Speaker 02 Maybe I did it ungrudely. No, I'm kidding.
44:53 Speaker 01 Oh my god. Jessica, your lids come off now. She'll have a heart attack.
45:01 Jessie Ware? She was still growing.
45:02 Speaker 01 The lids are off.
45:03 Speaker 02 Really good to me.
45:04 Jessie Ware? Yeah, well, let's see how she is tomorrow, shall we?
45:06 Speaker 02 I'm so sorry.
45:06 Jessie Ware? Jesus.
45:07 Speaker 02 Hope she's frothy.
45:08 Jessie Ware? What's, what's, what's your, what's yours called?
45:13 Speaker 02 Willa.
45:14 Jessie Ware? Why is she called Willa?
45:15 Speaker 02 Honestly, I got it from the ballerina farm girl.
45:20 Jessie Ware? Shut up.
45:21 Speaker 02 I mean, I just bought her starter. She didn't like hand it to me.
45:23 Jessie Ware? Hold on, the, the trad wife lady.
45:25 Speaker 02 The trad wife lady.
45:25 Jessie Ware? I'm obsessed with her.
45:27 Speaker 02 Okay, so I bought her starter and I built it, so.
45:31 Jessie Ware? Do you think it's really her starter?
45:33 Speaker 02 I have no idea, but don't crush me.
45:35 Jessie Ware? I tell you who my favorite trad wife is.
45:37 Speaker 02 Who?
45:37 Jessie Ware? We know.
45:38 Speaker 02 Who?
45:38 Jessie Ware? Nora Smith.
45:40 Speaker 02 Nora Smith, who makes the light. She's like, I whipped it pretty much.
45:42 Speaker 01 Does she make? My kids were craving Lucky Charms.
45:45 Speaker 02 So I got off an eight hour flight and I gave them Lucky Charms.
45:48 Speaker 01 And I put a ball gown on.
45:50 Speaker 02 Yeah, she's always in like couture cooking.
45:52 Jessie Ware? I, I'm, I'm obsessed.
45:54 Speaker 02 You are?
45:55 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
45:55 Speaker 02 She said she started the voice because her kids were sleeping.
45:58 Jessie Ware? I heard she was German.
46:00 Speaker 02 Let's just start making him a bunch of shit.
46:02 Jessie Ware? No babe, we're not, we're not. Anyway, I love, my TikTok is gonna be like algorithms, it's gonna be, anyway.
46:08 Speaker 02 My friend, my friend Molly Bernard, she's one of my best friends and she is on Younger. She's the, the redhead.
46:14 Jessie Ware? Oh, I love her.
46:16 Speaker 02 So her and I became super tight, um, filming Younger. And we have this like game, we only do it between the two of us. I promise it's not like a. Like a Just like a bad thing, but anytime we're like talking about something that we don't know about, but we're having a great time doing it, we're like, oh, just make it up, make it up. Let's just make it up, make it up. It's so funny. We go down really wild lanes and it's a fun game.
46:41 Jessie Ware? I um, I like the sound of this Molly.
46:44 Speaker 02 She is an angel.
46:46 Jessie Ware? Were you best friends with Sutton Foster as well?
46:50 Speaker 02 We weren't, no, we weren't as close, but like, close, but just
46:54 Jessie Ware? But you like
46:54 Speaker 02 Different ages.
46:55 Jessie Ware? On the, yeah, you're close on the programme, but she's, yeah.
46:59 Speaker 02 No, she's amazing. She taught me how to crochet.
47:01 Jessie Ware? Did she?
47:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, Sutton taught me how to crochet and she's awesome too. She's so great. Molly and I happened to have like a bond that was just like instant and we're the same age and kind of We were, I was like single when we started shooting that show and Sutton was married and Molly was single and we kind of like
47:21 Jessie Ware? You had fun.
47:22 Speaker 02 Yeah.
47:22 Jessie Ware? Good. Um, okay. So this is creme brulee. Oh, there's a lovely tap on that there.
47:27 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
47:28 Jessie Ware? Um, it has curdled though, I'm I'm afraid to say. Okay, fine. But the taste is lovely. What do you mean it's curdled? It's gone like Can you see? Yeah. But It tastes great. It tastes great, but it's
47:45 Speaker 02 I've never made creme brulee.
47:46 Jessie Ware? I wonder, yeah, it should be creamier. It should kind of
47:49 Speaker 02 Wait, there's a lot of lemon.
47:50 Jessie Ware? Yeah, I like that. But then the lemon would curdle the cream, wouldn't it? This is from the best cookery writer's sift. She won the award, Nicola Lamb.
47:59 Speaker 02 Wait, it does taste so good.
48:01 Jessie Ware? It tastes great. These are the cookies that you should take with you or have a little bite. They're toast with jam, jelly, um, and then you whizz them up into breadcrumbs and you do it with white chocolate and miso.
48:14 Speaker 02 Oh.
48:15 Jessie Ware? Yeah, nice. The kid, your kids would go mad for them. It's not custardy enough. It's not cust- it, I don't know what it is. It's delicious tasting though. It tastes like a lemon souffle.
48:26 Speaker 02 I need a knife for the top there.
48:28 Jessie Ware? Um, before, before we let you go, we've had so much fun. You are fab and the album is fab. And now I'm really excited because I missed Lizzie McGuire the first time around, but now I'm gonna like get to watch it with my daughter. How old? She's nine. So it's like Is that perfect? Perfect. And
48:49 Jessie Ware? I was watching it and I was like, wow, it really, I feel like informed things like Diary of a Wimpy Kid and things like that, like. I think that came after, it must have, but like, I really think it was quite.
49:00 Speaker 02 Right. Someone just asked me if I could say something to Lizzie McGuire before she became Lizzie McGuire, what would that be? And I was like, whoa, that's such an interesting, I've never thought about that. I always think about what I would say to like my younger self. Or like what I would say to myself after playing Lizzie McGuire and what all that felt like, because it came with like a whole bag of things.
49:23 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
49:24 Speaker 02 But I think, I told them, I was like, I think I would be like, hey, girl, I'm about to do you a big time justice, like, you know, like I'm gonna. Play you on TV and you're gonna like solve so many issues for young girls that like don't wanna feel alone. Or like, don't like that feel a little embarrassed in their own skin or, you know, she was so relatable, like she helped people through.
49:46 Jessie Ware? But I also, you know, I heard that you said, you know, you were Lizzie and Lizzie was you, it was kind of you were growing up with Lizzie.
49:52 Speaker 02 Yeah.
49:53 Jessie Ware? And that must have been a crazy time and I, I mean, it sounds like, you know, the album's called Luck or Something. And I know that that's kind of, and I don't wanna paraphrase, well, tell everyone why it's called Luck or Something.
50:06 Speaker 02 Will you tell me what you think?
50:07 Jessie Ware? Well, I kind of got told. This idea that people are like, am I right? You're so lucky. No, no, you're, how have you remained so.
50:16 Speaker 02 Grounded.
50:17 Jessie Ware? Grounded, normal, from being a Disney star, from having this, you know, huge success at a young age. Continued success. You know, we've never really seen you fly off the rails.
50:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:30 Jessie Ware? Have we?
50:31 Speaker 02 No.
50:31 Jessie Ware? And it's like, and you potentially would reply with.
50:37 Speaker 02 That.
50:37 Jessie Ware? Luck or something. I don't think it's luck.
50:40 Speaker 02 I think there's a lot of weight in that or something for me.
50:43 Jessie Ware? Yes, okay.
50:44 Speaker 02 So like, it is a little tongue in cheek and I'm like, how does one answer that question? I don't, there's no formula that I followed to be like. I'm staying, you know, on this path and I'm not gonna let you watch me fall apart. Like, it was not like. An on purpose thing or some, you know, created thing, I I I I think part of it is, I think there's a whole bunch of different answers that could be the reason why. Um. But the or something is like, you know, I made a lot of choices that were probably pretty good as well.
51:17 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
51:18 Speaker 02 So it's like kind of owning, trying to take some of that power for myself and be like.
51:22 Jessie Ware? So there's nothing really you would have changed.
51:25 Speaker 02 Oh, gosh, there's so much I would change. I think.
51:28 Jessie Ware? You would have changed if you had the time again, because your life's been, you've enjoyed your life, you've been successful and.
51:36 Speaker 02 There's a lot of like family trauma.
51:38 Jessie Ware? Okay.
51:39 Speaker 02 There's a lot of like disintegration of family, which has been really challenging, yeah. So that would be the the thing that I would change the most, but I've had a lovely life. I'm so blessed. I get to go home to my amazing family that I've created for myself, you know, and I would
51:58 Speaker 02 ship all of this off to like always make sure that I had that.
52:01 Jessie Ware? Mm hmm.
52:02 Speaker 02 You know?
52:02 Jessie Ware? Last question. Nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere.
52:08 Speaker 02 A taste?
52:08 Jessie Ware? Yeah, or a smell.
52:12 Speaker 02 My mom's chicken and dumpling soup.
52:15 Jessie Ware? Mmm.
52:16 Speaker 02 It's just like my childhood with a bow around it. Yeah.
52:19 Jessie Ware? That sounds lovely.
52:20 Speaker 02 Yeah, and an upside down pineapple cake. Have you guys had upside down pineapple? It's like made in a skillet and you put like the brown sugar and I don't know if it's like cream or something. And you put, it's very, it's very Texas. You put like the the canned sliced pineapples with the cherry in it. And then you pour the batter on top and then you bake it and it's so good.
52:41 Jessie Ware? Gorgeous. Hillary, it's been such a pleasure having you. Such a pleasure. And I wish you all the best with the record. I don't think you're gonna need it. I really. It's a great pop record.
52:53 Speaker 02 It is so sweet that you gave it that much of a listen.
52:57 Jessie Ware? No, I, I, no, that's very kind of you, but I wanted to because I was really enjoying it. And by, you know, the second chorus, I'm singing along. And so I've got my windows down. I'll be there singing it and I'll be singing it with my kids. And like, I'm really thrilled for you.
53:12 Speaker 02 Thank you.
53:13 Jessie Ware? That you have your own autonomy and you, you know, you're so in control and it's like your story. And I think it's just gonna be an absolute smash. So congratulations.
53:22 Speaker 02 Thank you.
53:23 Jessie Ware? Well done. Thanks for coming.
53:24 Speaker 02 Oh my gosh, this was the best.
53:26 Jessie Ware? Great.
53:26 Speaker 02 I loved it.
53:27 Jessie Ware? Good.
53:27 Speaker 02 I'm coming back.
53:28 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
53:28 Speaker 01 Good.
53:29 Speaker 02 Great.
53:44 Jessie Ware? I love Hilary Duff. She is fun.
53:47 Speaker 01 She's great fun.
53:48 Jessie Ware? Sassy, opinionated.
53:50 Speaker 01 Naughty.
53:51 Jessie Ware? Naughty, raunchy.
53:53 Speaker 01 Definitely raunchy.
53:54 Jessie Ware? Could have left my starter alone, but you know, she knows that that's really, I'm gonna show her the loaf and see if it.
54:00 Speaker 01 Actually, it's looking a bit odd over there, like it's fished up at the top.
54:04 Jessie Ware? That's good. She could, maybe she did good for it. I don't know. Anyway.
54:06 Speaker 01 We need to give it a shake.
54:08 Jessie Ware? Big fan. Record so truthful. I'm a Hilary Duff stan.
54:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
54:12 Jessie Ware? I'm gonna be there watching Lizzie McGuire till I'm old, like that. And then Cinderella story and stuff. Yeah, no, she's great. Fab. Um, thank you, Hilary Duff. Thank you for being so open and fun and drinking three different drinks and eating and being so complimentary. I like you a lot. And, um, mum, thank you for bringing the creme brulees.
54:32 Speaker 01 The scrambled egg creme brulees.
54:33 Jessie Ware? Yeah, they are, but they do taste nice.
54:35 Speaker 01 The taste was delicious.
54:37 Jessie Ware? The lesson is don't do lemon.
54:38 Speaker 01 No, I think that I overcooked them at the beginning and they went like bitter, like a souffle. But they're not like a custard, but honestly, I did my very best. I don't know what I've done wrong, but the taste is lovely of the lemon. That would be nice on a topping.
54:55 Jessie Ware? Yeah. Thank you, Hilary. Thanks, mum. And thank you to everyone who's listening and watching and we'll see you next week.
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