Pod Insights Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware Emma Corrin About this episode The fabulous Emma Corrin joins us on the podcast this week! Straight from Heathrow - where they had just landed from LA - we welcome Emma home with a Kitty Coles asian style roast chicken. We all know Emma from playing Princess Diana in 'The Crown', to Elizabeth Bennet in the new TV series of 'Pride & Prejudice', Emma knows how to do iconic. We talked all about their latest starring role in the fantasy-romance film ‘100 Nights of Hero’, splitting their childhood between Kent & South Africa, having to very reluctantly give up dairy, being rejected from RADA acting school, and their tips for how to get over jet lag. We got to learn the hilarious game they created with Josh O’Connor on set, and we discover that Bake Off is the guilty pleasure that got them through lockdown! What a total delight to be joined by Emma, a gorgeous guest and a fabulous episode. Emma’s new film ‘100 Nights of Hero’ is out in cinemas now.
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1:39 Jessie Ware? Hello and welcome to Table manners. I'm Jessie Ware and we're in my kitchen today. Lenny, you've walked in. You've brought a vegan lemon cake.
1:46 Speaker 04 A dairy-free lemon tart.
1:48 Jessie Ware? How are you?
1:49 Speaker 04 I'm fine. How are you?
1:50 Jessie Ware? I'm... Am I... what am I doing? I'm okay. I've got a bit of a mental day.
1:55 Speaker 04 Must be fitting everything in before you go away for a couple of days.
1:59 Jessie Ware? Yep, you are looking after my children for 12 hours.
2:03 Speaker 04 My absolute joy to do it.
2:05 Jessie Ware? Good. Mum's algorithm has gone mental and so now all you do is send me things about grandmothers. How amazing grandmothers are.
2:14 Speaker 04 That was sweet though, that little girl.
2:16 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
2:16 Speaker 04 It said, who do you like the best, your mummy and daddy? And she went, grandma.
2:20 Jessie Ware? Yeah. Do you think my children would say that?
2:22 Speaker 04 I hope so. Because I will be bringing lots of Percy Pigs and things. No, I won't. I'm teasing you.
2:28 Jessie Ware? Anyway, yeah, I'm all right. Yeah, me and Sam are going to go away to Kent for the night. And we're going to the Sportsman, which I'm really excited about. I've never been.
2:36 Speaker 04 How did you get in?
2:38 Jessie Ware? It was fine to get in.
2:39 Speaker 04 Oh, really?
2:40 Jessie Ware? I put a gun to Sam's head before Christmas and was like, this is my Christmas present. We're going wherever the Sportsman is.
2:46 Speaker 04 It's fun, baby.
2:46 Jessie Ware? And then we're going to the pig. So it's really nice. I'm really looking forward to it. I was trying to put in the Fordwich Arms as well, but I felt like that was taking the piss. So I'm going to come home early. So the guest that we've got on today is coming straight from the airport.
2:59 Speaker 04 Yep.
2:59 Jessie Ware? We've got Emma Corrin coming over, who is the most brilliant actor, played Diana in The Crown, My Policeman with Harry Styles. They are about to be in the big Pride and Prejudice adaptation.
3:12 Speaker 04 Is it going to be a TV adaptation or a film?
3:15 Jessie Ware? Yeah, it's on Netflix, I think. And they're coming over today to talk about this new independent film called A Hundred Nights of Hero. It's kind of a bit Arabian Nights, bit Handmaid's Tale. It's based on this graphic novel by Isabel Greenberg, which was a huge success. The cast in it is, you know, everyone from Richard E. Grant to Emma Corrin to Charlie XCX.
3:37 Speaker 04 What have you made, darling?
3:38 Jessie Ware? I have made, right, you know, I love Kitty Coles.
3:42 Speaker 04 No.
3:43 Jessie Ware? Okay. Do you remember when I did for Paddy McGuinness, that like roast chicken with that delicious charred spring onion, mayonnaise, Parmesan? And I feel like she is the queen of the chicken.
3:52 Speaker 04 What's her cookbook called?
3:53 Jessie Ware? Her book's called Make More with Less. And I was on holiday with the kids in Lanzarote, went to this brilliant restaurant called La Lapa. She's run by an Englishwoman that I think has lived and been brought up in Lanzarote. We started talking and she mentioned that her cousin was Kitty Coles. And I said, oh my God, I love Kitty Coles. So then I resurrected my love for her recipes. And so I'd seen this recipe that she put up on Instagram. That was a roast chicken that you do with orange segments and a bit of fish sauce, lime juice. And you kind of cook it in the juices. And then with those juices, you add fish sauce, lime. Chili, ginger and the roasted garlics that's in there and you kind of make a nice gravy.
4:36 Jessie Ware? And then we're just, I'm just serving it with lettuce, baby gem lettuce, um, shiso leaves, which are also called parrilla leaves.
4:42 Speaker 04 Never heard of that.
4:43 Jessie Ware? They're really fragrant, amazing taste.
4:45 Speaker 04 Delicious.
4:46 Jessie Ware? And then with rice, jasmine rice.
4:48 Speaker 04 Fabulous.
4:48 Jessie Ware? And then you've made.
4:50 Speaker 04 I've made a dairy free lemon tart.
4:53 Jessie Ware? Lovely.
4:55 Speaker 04 I hope it's nice. I made the crust and it's got coconut in the crust.
4:59 Jessie Ware? Lovely. This is perfect.
5:00 Speaker 04 Yeah, I hope so.
5:02 Jessie Ware? Perfect.
5:03 Speaker 04 And I brought dairy free ice cream with.
5:05 Jessie Ware? Amazing. Thanks mum. Emma Corrin coming up on Table Mamas.
5:17 Jessie Ware? Emma Corrin.
5:18 Speaker 05 Hello.
5:18 Jessie Ware? You've just come from the airport.
5:20 Speaker 05 Yeah.
5:20 Jessie Ware? You've washed your face.
5:21 Speaker 05 I've washed my face.
5:22 Jessie Ware? You got changed in the loo.
5:23 Speaker 05 I did.
5:24 Jessie Ware? In the airport, I think, maybe.
5:25 Speaker 05 Yeah, I did.
5:26 Jessie Ware? Where have you come from?
5:27 Speaker 05 Uh, I came from Los Angeles.
5:29 Jessie Ware? Oy vey.
5:31 Speaker 04 I know.
5:31 Jessie Ware? That's a schlep.
5:32 Speaker 04 Ten and a half hours.
5:33 Speaker 05 Yeah.
5:34 Jessie Ware? Do you live in Margate?
5:36 Speaker 05 I live between Margate and London, yeah.
5:38 Jessie Ware? Okay.
5:38 Speaker 05 Yeah.
5:39 Jessie Ware? Um, so where are you going back to after this?
5:41 Speaker 05 I'm going to London.
5:42 Jessie Ware? Okay, great.
5:43 Speaker 05 I'm going to London, I'm going to North London, yeah.
5:45 Jessie Ware? Oh, so, okay, you're a North Londoner.
5:47 Speaker 05 I'm a North Londoner. I used to be a South Londoner, actually.
5:49 Jessie Ware? Oh, what, what made you change?
5:51 Speaker 05 Um, I think because a lot of our friends, I, I live with friends and have lived with friends for like the last 10 years. And, um, a lot of our friends were sort of migrating up north, so I, we sort of followed, followed the herd.
6:04 Jessie Ware? Which bit of south?
6:05 Speaker 05 Um, between, those roads between like Peckham Rye and Lordship Lane.
6:09 Jessie Ware? Oh, you're very close to it now.
6:11 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, it was nice driving through here.
6:13 Jessie Ware? Oh, sweet. Um, so let's take it, well, we're going to be talking about the new film.
6:18 Speaker 05 Yes.
6:18 Jessie Ware? Which, were you in LA promoting?
6:21 Speaker 05 A Hundred Nights. No, I wasn't.
6:23 Jessie Ware? What were you doing in LA then, promoting, promoting two things at the same time?
6:26 Speaker 05 I was actually in LA not for, not for promoting business.
6:29 Jessie Ware? Oh, okay.
6:30 Speaker 05 Just other stuff, yeah.
6:31 Jessie Ware? Did you meet well?
6:32 Speaker 05 I did eat well. I went to a really nice restaurant, which I'm probably gonna pronounce wrong, but it's funky.
6:38 Jessie Ware? Oh, Evan Funk.
6:39 Speaker 05 Funk?
6:40 Jessie Ware? Yeah, I don't know if it's funky or not.
6:41 Speaker 05 I don't know.
6:42 Jessie Ware? Pasta place.
6:42 Speaker 05 Yeah.
6:43 Jessie Ware? The Italian.
6:43 Speaker 05 Really nice.
6:44 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
6:44 Speaker 05 Really, really good.
6:45 Jessie Ware? Really expensive.
6:46 Speaker 05 I had a, yes, yeah, yeah.
6:48 Jessie Ware? But what did you eat there?
6:49 Speaker 05 I, I ate a lemon pasta. I basically just found out I can't eat dairy, which is so annoying. And I didn't, I completely walked into the trap. I've been working with this amazing nutritionist, because I had some stuff going on with my skin earlier this year. And she was like, well, let's do one of those allergy things. And I wasn't expecting to find anything. And she was like, you're super allergic to dairy.
7:09 Jessie Ware? That's why I didn't want. Well, no, and also I was kind of, when we were doing a bit of research on you, you know, you've talked about a Last Supper before, and there was a lot of dairy in it, so that must have been pre-nutritionist.
7:19 Speaker 05 I was a big, big dairy person.
7:22 Jessie Ware? Oh, mate.
7:22 Speaker 05 Yeah, like Lurpak was my life, really. I love it.
7:27 Jessie Ware? Oh, my. Ice cream?
7:28 Speaker 05 Ice cream, all of it. Like, yeah, creamy sauces. Yeah, it's devastating.
7:33 Jessie Ware? I'm sorry for your loss.
7:34 Speaker 04 Can you reintroduce it?
7:36 Speaker 05 I'm hoping so. I'm not really sure.
7:39 Speaker 04 Sometimes if you're allergic, you can reintroduce it slowly and.
7:42 Jessie Ware? Couldn't you like pop a lactaid before?
7:44 Speaker 05 Well, this is, I think it's the protein in dairy. I don't know what it's called. I forget what it's called, but it's not actually the lactose I'm intolerant to. It's the other one. Yeah.
7:55 Jessie Ware? I don't know how to help you with that.
7:56 Speaker 05 I know. Maybe, maybe, I think reintroducing it could help.
8:00 Jessie Ware? Yeah. Have you found that people don't invite you around for dinner as much now?
8:03 Speaker 05 Yeah, I just, it's one of these things where I just constantly wanna apologize for it, you know? I hate being the person in the restaurant being like, no, I'm so sorry.
8:08 Jessie Ware? So how did it work having lemon pasta? Because I would have imagined that would be with like butter.
8:13 Speaker 05 Yeah, they could make it no dairy. But I was devastated because on the menu was butternut, squash, and brown butter and sage ravioli.
8:22 Jessie Ware? Oh, it's delicious.
8:23 Speaker 05 Which is just like my favorite combination of things ever. So good. And I couldn't have that. It's like, is there any way you can make it dairy free and you want it?
8:31 Speaker 04 So, so with the lemon pasta, they probably use olive oil, but they emulsify the lemon with the water from the pasta, don't they?
8:37 Jessie Ware? Yeah, I guess.
8:38 Speaker 05 Yeah.
8:38 Jessie Ware? So let's talk about growing up. You grew up in South Africa?
8:43 Speaker 05 I grew up between, I'd know, I grew up in Kent in Sevenoaks, but my mum is South African and my dad moved there when he was young and his family's out there. So all my family, extended family are in South Africa.
8:55 Jessie Ware? So did you spend a lot of time there?
8:57 Speaker 05 Spent a lot of time there. It was sort of like. My parents moved, didn't really ever intend to live in the UK, but they came over and then ended up staying because my dad's work and then. I was, they were always meant to move back, but then they never did. So then, yeah, it was like an every school holiday kind of thing. We went back.
9:13 Speaker 04 Did you ever eat anchovet?
9:16 Speaker 05 No, what's anchovet?
9:17 Speaker 04 It's like an anchovy, basically, you can only get in South Africa, made by a company called PEX.
9:23 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
9:23 Speaker 04 About three years ago, they stopped making it, but I've heard it's coming back.
9:27 Speaker 05 How have you heard?
9:31 Speaker 04 I looked it up about PEX anchovet and they said it's coming back.
9:35 Speaker 05 Why did it stop?
9:37 Speaker 04 Because of lots of colorings in it and they just decided to stop it. Um, I don't care about the colorings. I, it was so delicious on toast. Yeah.
9:46 Speaker 05 Yes, I heard about it. My favorite chocolate is peppermint crisp, which is like a really pepperminty. Chocolate and I think that was, I remember hearing once that just has such terrible things in it for you and I was like, no, I wanna live in ignorance. Yeah. So you grew up in Kent? Grew up in Kent, yeah. Who was around the dinner table and what's a memorable dish from your childhood? Oh, God. Okay. So it was all my family. I've got two younger brothers. Um, so we were all around the dinner table, but we were very fast eaters. So this was like very, really. Are you still fast? I'm so fast and I re- I hate it.
10:19 Speaker 04 I'm gonna time you.
10:21 Speaker 05 I'm such a fast eater. Do you think it's from having older brothers? Younger brothers. Oh, younger brothers. Oh, so you led the way? I led, I led the way. Were they very hungry and you were worried they were gonna take the seconds? Yeah, maybe. Or it was just like, we always had like fun things to do and we wanted to get like, I don't know, through dinner. But like actually all sitting at a dinner table and chatting and having like, making that a moment and an event in the day was relatively alien to me until. I sort of started, I guess, going out with friends and stuff in my late, late teens. And then I was like, oh, wow, people spend like hours. Around the dinner table and it's so nice. Oh, okay. So you weren't like ready to go? No, I really loved it. I really, really loved it. Yeah. So what was a memorable dish?
11:05 Speaker 05 My mom, my mom's a real, really big fan of like tray bakes. She loved to bake. Really? She'd just like chuck everything in a. Oh, she was like a, a re- pioneer of the tray bake? She should, yeah, like a cheesy tuna pasta tray thing and it was a broccoli. It was basically just whatever she had in the fridge, but she put it in a thing. And cheese on top. It was always cheese. Was she a good cook? Yeah, she is a good cook. I would say she maybe cooked functionally. I don't know if she like enjoyed the process of it. I think it was very much to like make supper, to like make something for us to eat, not.
11:46 Speaker 04 Like mum.
11:46 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, but I think she's discovering it more now, like we cook together when she, they always come down to Margate now to have Christmas with me. And we'll cook Christmas dinner together and I'm sort of, as I've got more into cooking and really enjoy the process of it. And I I think she's sort of, I'm introducing her to that way of way of thinking.
12:09 Speaker 04 South African food is fantastic.
12:11 Speaker 05 It is amazing.
12:12 Speaker 04 I mean, the produce, the meat and the fish.
12:14 Speaker 05 Yeah.
12:15 Speaker 04 Kinklet.
12:16 Speaker 05 Mm hmm.
12:16 Speaker 04 And butterfish and all the very wonderful fishes that you can't get anywhere else.
12:20 Speaker 05 Can you bribe really well? I can't, I myself cannot bribe, but I have a lot of, um, yeah, family who can bribe. And whenever we did Christmas in South Africa, that was like a bribe on the beach, which I love. It was so good. Yeah.
12:30 Speaker 04 Oh, wow. Where do you stand on Bill Tong?
12:34 Speaker 05 I love Bill Tong. I love Bill Tong. And those kind of foods like Bill Tong, rusks, like Omar's rusks, um, they're like.
12:45 Speaker 04 What, like the baby things?
12:46 Speaker 05 Yeah, they're baby things, but actually in South Africa, they're not baby adjacent. It's more just like, yeah, these, this box called Omar Rusks. And I don't know, I just grew up eating that. Yeah. And that will all, th- those kind of things will always, i- is always infused with such nostalgia for me in a great way.
13:02 Speaker 04 Do you still go back to South Africa?
13:04 Speaker 05 You know what? I haven't been back. I lost my grandma, my mum's mum during, just actually just before Covid, which is kind of a blessing, I think, actually. Because she didn't get, she never got Covid, but.
13:16 Speaker 04 Thank god, yeah.
13:18 Speaker 05 Um, I don't think she would have enjoyed that period of time. And um, since we lost her, I haven't been back. And, you know, I it's, I sort of need to go, but I want to go with my mum and my brothers and actually just coordinating that time for us all to go. And make the most of the trip as well. I think when you go, it's kind of worth going for two weeks and you've got so much family there, so.
13:39 Speaker 04 And I mean, I guess since like two thousand and nineteen, you've been kind of booked and busy.
13:44 Speaker 05 Yeah.
13:44 Speaker 04 And it's been really full on.
13:45 Speaker 05 Yeah, and it's been so much on my mind for the last few years to try and to try and go out, but yeah.
13:50 Speaker 04 How did you start acting?
13:52 Speaker 05 God, did I start acting? I, my earliest memory of acting was in primary school in a production of Wind in the Willows. And it's actually really funny, because I have always said that I played Toad of Toad Hall.
14:07 Speaker 04 I can't really imagine that.
14:08 Speaker 05 Well, this is the thing. And then I recently bumped into a friend from school who I hadn't seen in ages and was actually in a place in Margate. And she was like, she was like, I always dine out on the story that in our last year of primary school, I got the drama award and you didn't. Which really made me laugh. And then she was like, and I always remember that you played Ratty in Winning the Willows. And I was like, oh my god, have I just like completely misremembered what part I played?
14:38 Speaker 04 You're not very portly, are you?
14:41 Speaker 05 No. I'm not very ratty either, let's just put that out there.
14:44 Speaker 04 Well, what are the other great parts in that?
14:46 Speaker 05 Mole.
14:47 Speaker 04 Mole.
14:48 Speaker 05 Mole, maybe I'm more of a mole.
14:49 Speaker 04 I think you're more of a mole.
14:50 Speaker 05 Yeah, I need to, I should have asked my mum what she remembers.
14:54 Speaker 04 So that was the beginning?
14:55 Speaker 05 That was the bug. I remember, yeah, whatever, whoever I played in that. And I probably played like village in number three or something in reality, but I remember after the production, a friend's mum saying, that was really good sweetheart, you could be, you could be an actor. And they were probably just saying it very by the by, but I remember being like, yeah. Oh, you took that like, yeah, good. Well, you obviously were good and you are good. You're great. I loved it. I really loved it. Yeah. Did you go to drama school? No, I tried for so many years. And actually recently, my basement in Margate flooded. And so like two weeks ago when I was there, I was having to go through all the gross mildewy boxes, which I'd left for far too long. It was so grim.
15:37 Speaker 05 But on top of this box that was completely like disintegrating was my rather rejection letter. And I was like, oh my god, I can't believe I still have this. And it was so wild to read. And I remember being so crushed. I remember exactly where I was, it's in my bedroom, sitting in my bed when I got it. I remember feeling like the floor just fell away. And I was like, oh my god, I don't, I don't just stand a chance. Because I was so convinced that was the only way, like drama school was the only way.
16:04 Speaker 04 But did you act at university?
16:07 Speaker 05 Yeah, so then I had a bit of a weird, sort of, I went to Bristol, studied drama and was really, really unhappy there. Um, but that wasn't the fault of the course or anything. That was just, I think, because I wasn't really doing. What I loved or I didn't feel like I was in the right place and I didn't really make any friends.
16:24 Jessie Ware? Oh no, I can't imagine that.
16:26 Speaker 04 Where did you, where did you live?
16:28 Speaker 05 Well, there's a thing because I didn't really wanna go to uni. I didn't really wanna study drama. I wanted to be doing it. And I think the rejection of drama school had really hit me. And it was basically my school that was like, make sure you apply for universities. So you're like on the right course or whatever. And so you have a backup. So I sort of just like completely diverted off the path, this thing that I felt like I should be doing or everyone was telling me to do. And because I didn't really want to be there, I didn't do all the admin stuff, like go and look up halls and like where you should be living. So I didn't get into any of the accommodations. So I was renting this like strange flat. But actually, I tell you what got through me that time, got me through that time was Bake Off.
17:07 Speaker 05 I made friends with a girl who lived next to me and all we did was just religiously watch Bake Off. I remember that very, very well. And then, and then I left.
17:17 Jessie Ware? You didn't finish?
17:17 Speaker 05 I didn't finish. I was there for like two, two months.
17:20 Speaker 04 You've missed your spot. Prue's leaving, but Nigella's got it.
17:23 Speaker 05 I saw this.
17:24 Jessie Ware? Nigella's got it.
17:25 Speaker 05 Yeah, Nigella's got it. I saw this.
17:26 Jessie Ware? I'm happy about that.
17:27 Speaker 05 Me too, me too. I mean, I miss Prue.
17:29 Speaker 04 She'll bring a bit of innuendo.
17:31 Jessie Ware? Oh, the outrageous.
17:33 Speaker 05 Oh my god, that's fantastic.
17:36 Jessie Ware? Really, really good.
17:37 Speaker 04 I was gonna put myself forward, but there you go.
17:40 Jessie Ware? That would have also been amazing.
17:42 Speaker 05 Lost out to Nigella, I think it's okay.
17:44 Speaker 04 It's alright.
17:44 Jessie Ware? Um, do you watch any other um cooking programmes? Or is that kind of your religious one that you make sure that you watch?
17:52 Speaker 05 I love, I've always loved Bake Off. What else do I watch?
17:54 Speaker 04 Do you still love it? I love it.
17:55 Speaker 05 I still love it. I really do.
17:56 Speaker 04 I love it and I, it's on in America and you watched on Netflix in the States.
18:02 Speaker 05 Yeah.
18:02 Speaker 04 So it's on every episode.
18:04 Speaker 05 Oh my god.
18:04 Speaker 04 I also love.
18:05 Jessie Ware? You're doing reruns.
18:06 Speaker 04 I also love that one that your children love.
18:09 Speaker 05 Is it cake?
18:10 Speaker 04 Is it cake? Have you ever watched it?
18:11 Speaker 05 Is it um, yes, is it furniture or whatever or is it cake?
18:15 Speaker 04 Is it cake?
18:15 Jessie Ware? Yeah, like it'll be, it'll be like.
18:17 Speaker 04 They'll do a dartboard and you can't, you have to say which is the one.
18:22 Speaker 05 So good.
18:22 Speaker 04 Your children love it. And the big thing is when they cut in.
18:26 Speaker 05 Oh, it's so satisfying.
18:27 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:28 Speaker 05 I used to get, I'm off Instagram now, which is exciting, but um I used to get into real, real holes. Um with the, with the is it cake or not? Cause there are people who make these like really life, life like cakes and it's just. How do they do it?
18:44 Jessie Ware? Have you seen the one where the woman cuts into the parrot and her, I think this is very cruel, that her pet parrot squawks and is like, oh my gosh, that's terrible.
18:52 Speaker 05 I know, cruel.
18:53 Speaker 04 You could tell whether it's a parrot or not.
18:56 Speaker 05 Surely it was moving.
18:57 Jessie Ware? It was very realistic cake.
18:59 Speaker 05 It was just.
18:59 Jessie Ware? But she did that to her own parrot.
19:01 Speaker 05 That's not nice.
19:02 Jessie Ware? Not nice.
19:03 Speaker 05 The parrot's gonna remember that.
19:04 Jessie Ware? Yeah, exactly.
19:05 Speaker 05 They famously remember that.
19:06 Speaker 04 Do you cook?
19:07 Speaker 05 I do cook.
19:08 Speaker 04 And what, you said you like cooking.
19:10 Speaker 05 I really like cooking.
19:11 Speaker 04 So what would you cook if we came round?
19:14 Speaker 05 Oh, okay, this is fun. Um.
19:18 Speaker 04 If we turned the tables and you're cooking.
19:20 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. It's gonna be one, two things.
19:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
19:24 Speaker 05 I don't have any original thought in cooking. I need a recipe because I need the focus and actually really like that. I like being directed.
19:31 Speaker 04 Have you got favourite cook?
19:32 Speaker 05 Yes.
19:33 Speaker 04 Okay, who's your favourite?
19:34 Speaker 05 Mirasoda.
19:35 Speaker 04 Oh.
19:36 Speaker 05 I'm obsessed with Mirasoda.
19:38 Speaker 04 We had her on the podcast.
19:40 Speaker 05 Do you actually?
19:40 Speaker 04 Yeah.
19:41 Speaker 05 I completely missed that. Oh, I would, I would expect her to be. She's amazing.
19:46 Speaker 04 So you, would you cook vegetarian then?
19:48 Speaker 05 Yeah, well, I'm not vegetarian. I do eat everything apart from tragically dairy, but um, I've lived with people, I've lived with friends for a long time and we've always had a vegan or a vegetarian in the house and we all cook together every night, which is amazing.
20:01 Speaker 04 Dinner is such a good cookbook.
20:03 Speaker 05 Dinner is so, I've just got dinner. I've always had East.
20:06 Speaker 04 Yeah.
20:07 Speaker 05 And the other one.
20:08 Speaker 04 Wonderful, but I don't know, I know, I've got East and Dinner.
20:12 Speaker 05 Yeah.
20:12 Speaker 04 And I think Dinner is an amazing cookbook.
20:15 Speaker 05 So good.
20:16 Speaker 04 And I think she's better than ever now.
20:18 Speaker 05 Yeah, I think so as well. And I love that, I mean, I, I love eating meat, but I don't notice that anything's missing when I'm making her recipes, you know? The, the like flavour profiles and everything she puts in there just is so brilliant, but I don't miss it. Um.
20:36 Speaker 04 So you might cook a Mirasoda recipe?
20:38 Speaker 05 I'd cook a Mirasoda. I recently made her, I think they're Ben Ben noodles. And it was such a funny recipe to read on the page because it's mushrooms and gherkins and noodles. And I was like, what is that gonna taste like? And I made it and it's so good. You like chop up the mushrooms really finely. You're meant to.
20:56 Speaker 04 Like all those blitzen, so they're like.
20:58 Speaker 05 Yeah, you're meant to blitzen, but I don't have a blitzer, so I just spent ages cutting out really small. And then do the same with the gherkins. And then there are some specific, I think Chinese spices and oils and vinegars you're meant to get. That I sort of searched for and found. And it's just so good, because I love pickles and gherkins, anything with pickles and gherkins. So I think I'd make that for you.
21:22 Speaker 04 Okay.
21:23 Speaker 05 It's a nice one.
21:24 Speaker 04 Did you love Jane Austen before you've landed this enormous role? That is probably my favourite character in the whole of the world.
21:33 Speaker 05 She's mine too. I, I, yeah, I just, I mean, she's amazing, isn't she?
21:36 Speaker 04 Loved Elizabeth, yeah.
21:37 Speaker 05 I loved Elizabeth. I feel like there was a brief patch of school where you studied the book to death and they kind of ruined it for you. But I really, really love her and I've always loved the series and I loved the Joe Wright film. I just thought that was so beautiful. And it is just one of those classics I think will be watched forever.
21:56 Speaker 04 Are you going to have short hair in it or long hair?
21:59 Speaker 05 No, I'm going to have long hair, but you know what? They won, there was a, we did a test on the camera test day where I had something that was called a Titus cut. Which was quite popular at the time, which was short and it was very curly at the front, but quite short at the back.
22:11 Speaker 04 Yeah.
22:12 Speaker 05 But I think the consensus was that it wasn't right. And I sort of let them sort of.
22:19 Speaker 04 And Jack is not going to have a Scottish accent, is he?
22:22 Speaker 05 He's not.
22:23 Speaker 04 No.
22:23 Speaker 05 He's not.
22:24 Jessie Ware? He never has a Scottish accent.
22:25 Speaker 05 No, I know.
22:26 Speaker 04 So, I mean, I was really blown away in Hamnet that Jessie Buckley and Paul Mescal had proper English accents.
22:34 Speaker 05 Yeah, they didn't have.
22:35 Speaker 04 And the tone of Paul Mescal's voice was slightly different.
22:38 Speaker 05 I haven't seen it yet. I'm dying to see it.
22:40 Speaker 04 Do you have to do lot, have you had to do lots of accents?
22:44 Speaker 05 I've had to do American before, yeah. And I always worry because there's nothing worse than when some, you're watching something and you think, rrr, yikes.
22:52 Speaker 04 But you were perfect Princess Diana.
22:54 Speaker 05 Thank you. I love that voice. That voice was.
22:56 Speaker 04 Yeah.
22:56 Speaker 05 Her voice.
22:57 Jessie Ware? You were, you were an incredible Diana.
23:00 Speaker 05 Thank you. I loved that.
23:01 Speaker 04 Did you love doing it?
23:03 Speaker 05 I loved it.
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24:20 Speaker 04 I'm going to ask you about your last supper.
24:22 Speaker 05 Is that what I would?
24:23 Speaker 04 Before you're going on a desert, you're not going on death row because I can't bear it.
24:27 Speaker 05 Okay, okay.
24:28 Speaker 04 But before you go on a desert island for about six months, what would you like to have? Start a main drink of choice and a Pudd.
24:38 Speaker 05 Okay, my drink of choice is going to be a Negroni.
24:40 Jessie Ware? Oh, you know what someone told me? It's a really good tip.
24:43 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
24:44 Jessie Ware? You pour the Negroni through rice. Have you heard about this?
24:49 Speaker 05 What?
24:50 Jessie Ware? And it gives like a creaminess, like from the starch of the rice, it gives a creaminess.
24:55 Speaker 05 How will you pour it, like in a sieve?
24:57 Jessie Ware? Yeah, I guess.
24:57 Speaker 04 But do you do it?
24:59 Jessie Ware? Or you shake it up with it and then sieve it out.
25:01 Speaker 04 But is it cooked rice or raw rice?
25:05 Speaker 05 Is it like the, you know, when you're going to wash rice loaves? And it's all the white that comes out?
25:09 Jessie Ware? Creaminess that comes in.
25:11 Speaker 05 Oh, my God.
25:12 Speaker 04 So go on, so Negroni. Is that your little aperitif?
25:17 Speaker 05 It is.
25:18 Speaker 04 Yeah, and what's your starter then?
25:20 Speaker 05 My starter would probably be.
25:24 Speaker 05 Would my starter be? Can you have a sausage roll as a starter?
25:28 Speaker 04 Yeah.
25:29 Speaker 05 I'd like a sausage roll.
25:30 Speaker 04 Where from? Greg's or Gail's?
25:34 Speaker 05 Oh.
25:34 Speaker 04 Gail's do a really banging sausage.
25:36 Speaker 05 Gail's do do a sausage roll. They also do those spinach and feta ones. They're really nice. Yeah. I feel like, I can't remember where I've had it, but there's one.
25:46 Speaker 05 It's a pub somewhere. I can't remember where it is, but they do a sausage roll and they do like really good, like Dijon mustard.
25:50 Speaker 04 Yeah.
25:51 Speaker 05 And it's like a dip situation. It's so good.
25:53 Speaker 04 Yeah.
25:54 Speaker 05 So I'd have that.
25:55 Speaker 04 To start with.
25:55 Speaker 05 To start with. And then it would definitely be pasta based. Cause I love pasta.
25:59 Speaker 04 So what's your favourite pasta?
26:03 Speaker 05 There is a chicken and orzo and leek recipe.
26:09 Jessie Ware? Fuck's sake, I was gonna do something like that.
26:10 Speaker 05 It's so good. So good. And I think actually it might be from a Julius Roberts thing, but my friend Billy has maybe kind of riffed on the recipe and she makes it a lot. And actually she, we met because she um was doing my costume on um Murder at End of the World, which I did in New York. And then she sent me to the UK and she was on Pride and Prejudice with me and she would bring in these like vats of chicken, leek and orzo.
26:35 Speaker 04 Have you finished Pride and Prejudice?
26:36 Speaker 05 Yeah.
26:37 Speaker 04 Oh, wow.
26:38 Speaker 05 Mm.
26:38 Speaker 04 Is it good?
26:39 Speaker 05 I think so.
26:40 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah.
26:41 Speaker 05 I I hope so.
26:42 Speaker 04 You're pleased with it?
26:43 Speaker 05 I am pleased with it. I really am. Yeah. I had the best time. I had the best time. I think that always infuses.
26:47 Speaker 04 Where did you film it?
26:49 Speaker 05 All over the UK.
26:52 Speaker 04 Okay.
26:52 Speaker 05 Yeah. We sort of went up around Leeds a bit. Um, to Harewood House. I think it's Harewood. One of the big.
26:59 Speaker 04 Yeah.
27:00 Speaker 05 Ones. And then filmed around um Harefordshire, Harefordshire.
27:05 Speaker 04 So after you've finished your chickeny, chickeny, pastory, orzo bait.
27:10 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm.
27:10 Speaker 04 Are you gonna have dessert?
27:12 Speaker 05 Yeah, I will. I will have dessert. And I will have.
27:14 Speaker 04 And are you gonna have wine with your meal?
27:16 Speaker 05 Yeah. And I would have a re- oh, oh. You know what, I'd have, um, there's a wine called Chin Chin.
27:24 Jessie Ware? Oh, yeah.
27:24 Speaker 05 Which is so good.
27:25 Jessie Ware? I've never heard of it.
27:26 Speaker 05 Sabina Verde, Sabina Verde.
27:27 Jessie Ware? Oh, Chin Chin.
27:28 Speaker 05 Really good, yeah.
27:29 Jessie Ware? So it's crisp, a crisp wine.
27:30 Speaker 05 Very crisp white wine.
27:32 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
27:32 Speaker 05 And then maybe a Basque cheesecake.
27:35 Jessie Ware? They're great, aren't they?
27:37 Speaker 05 Yeah, they look great. I think Basque is so good, and when you just like cut into one.
27:40 Jessie Ware? I know, fantastic.
27:42 Speaker 05 Yeah.
27:42 Jessie Ware? But you won't be able to have that because you're very free.
27:45 Speaker 05 But I feel like if I'm going to the desert island, I'm just gonna reap the consequences of that.
27:49 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
27:50 Speaker 05 Oh, my god, this is amazing.
27:52 Jessie Ware? No, okay, so it's Kitty Coles's, um, like, Asian roast chicken, we're gonna just do like little kind of pockets with the lettuce and try and chat as well.
28:05 Speaker 05 Oh, my god, this is amazing. I like things when you build.
28:09 Jessie Ware? Okay, good.
28:09 Speaker 05 You build it, interactive, an interactive.
28:12 Jessie Ware? We're gonna do bowls, just because.
28:13 Speaker 05 Yeah.
28:14 Jessie Ware? Yeah. There's these beautiful shiso leaves, um, and then, yeah, baby jam.
28:19 Speaker 05 What are the shiso leaves?
28:20 Jessie Ware? Have a little taste of it. I've never, I've never heard of them. You've probably had it like.
28:24 Speaker 05 Tastes like a perfume, but in a nice way.
28:26 Jessie Ware? Yeah, it's quite perfumed, yeah, so.
28:27 Speaker 05 Whoa.
28:28 Jessie Ware? Yeah, beautiful, right?
28:29 Speaker 05 That's so intense.
28:30 Jessie Ware? Oh, it's lovely. They're called Perilla leaves.
28:32 Speaker 05 Oh, my god.
28:33 Jessie Ware? Yeah, quite like fragrant, so yeah, take, take a bit of chicken and like, yeah, help yourself.
28:40 Speaker 05 Thank you.
28:41 Jessie Ware? I love Margate. I really do.
28:44 Speaker 05 You know it well.
28:45 Jessie Ware? I only know it through, well, I have like.
28:48 Speaker 05 Robert.
28:48 Jessie Ware? Robert Diamond, who everyone knows, who is like the mayor of Margate. Him and Tracy Emin.
28:54 Speaker 05 No, Tracy's, Tracy is.
28:56 Jessie Ware? Tracy is kind of like.
28:57 Speaker 05 She got.
28:58 Jessie Ware? She got honoured, didn't she?
28:59 Speaker 05 She got honoured by the mayor, she got the key or the, something, she got given something.
29:03 Jessie Ware? I've had really good times in Margate.
29:05 Speaker 05 I'm glad, I love it.
29:06 Jessie Ware? I love it.
29:07 Speaker 05 I really love it.
29:07 Jessie Ware? And you've talked about Big Shot, the coffee spot, do you still go there?
29:11 Speaker 05 Love Big Shot, yeah, that's like my morning.
29:13 Jessie Ware? Right.
29:13 Speaker 05 Walk past, well, Curve Coffee, which is amazing. Curve is just above the old town, um, kind of adjacent to the high street in a little square. And, um, Curve does the best kimchi toasty that you'll ever try.
29:28 Jessie Ware? Okay.
29:28 Speaker 05 So good.
29:29 Jessie Ware? Kimchi toasty.
29:29 Speaker 05 Kimchi toasty, it is like three kinds of cheese. It's actually so, so diet, it's so bad.
29:35 Jessie Ware? So you can cheese doesn't hit quite the same.
29:36 Speaker 05 I've been having it with V and cheese and it is not the same. It's not, it's not as bad as I thought it would be. I was really bracing myself for like, yeah. But it's like, the non vegan one is three kinds of cheese, kimchi, and on the, on the side, they have, I don't know how to say it, but zhug, zug?
29:53 Jessie Ware? Zug, oh yeah, Z H O U G, yeah, the kind of green.
29:56 Speaker 05 Yeah, zug, and then, um, pickles, like a big pickle pop.
30:01 Jessie Ware? Oh yum.
30:02 Speaker 05 Such a good combination thing.
30:03 Jessie Ware? I'm just gonna pa- pass this to you, cause otherwise you're gonna.
30:05 Speaker 05 Yeah, please, sorry.
30:06 Jessie Ware? That's okay. I'm gonna, I'm gonna give you breasts, cause I think that's a bit easier, and then I'll give you some segments, and, um, let's get some more juice on that. Okay.
30:16 Speaker 05 That is so good.
30:17 Jessie Ware? Is it good? Okay, good.
30:18 Speaker 05 It's so good.
30:20 Jessie Ware? So, A Hundred Nights of Hero.
30:21 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm.
30:21 Jessie Ware? Really enjoyed the kind of, the colour of it, and you were so incredible. The cast.
30:30 Speaker 05 Fun cast.
30:30 Jessie Ware? Really fun. I love that, like, Felicity just, like, pops up at the end of the movie. What drew you to it? Had you read the graphic novel?
30:37 Speaker 05 I hadn't, no.
30:38 Jessie Ware? Okay.
30:39 Speaker 05 So I read the script and then read the novel after, and I just found it enchanting. It reminded me of, like, Princess Bride.
30:46 Jessie Ware? Hmm.
30:47 Speaker 05 Or A Knight's Tale, you know, that kind of, like, ancient. Well, when I first started watching, I said this is a children's film. Yeah, and I love that quality. It's so nice. I love.
30:58 Jessie Ware? It's not a children's film.
31:00 Speaker 05 It's not a children's film. But I like films that have a childish quality to them and a playfulness to them. And I really liked, um, that it was based in a graphic novel, which also has that kind of charm, you know?
31:11 Jessie Ware? And like, did you, how long did you film it for? And where, where were you filming it?
31:16 Speaker 05 It was really.
31:17 Jessie Ware? A bit short?
31:18 Speaker 05 Hmm.
31:19 Jessie Ware? Cause there's not many locations, are there? So it's quite.
31:20 Speaker 05 We were in one place. We were at Nebworth House, which is just outside of London.
31:24 Jessie Ware? Oh yeah.
31:26 Speaker 05 And we used all the rooms there and the grounds, and it was like four or five week shoot, so super quick.
31:32 Jessie Ware? Costumes were amazing.
31:33 Speaker 05 Costumes were so good.
31:35 Jessie Ware? I feel like Hero, the part is quite, you're quite restrained in it. You have to, it's like.
31:40 Speaker 05 There's a lot of, like, internal.
31:41 Jessie Ware? Exactly.
31:42 Speaker 05 Observation going on. But I found it really fun. I've never really done any explicitly comedic roles before, so I, yeah, I kind of loved it.
31:50 Jessie Ware? It was fab.
31:51 Speaker 05 Thank you. It was a lot of fun to shoot. And it was really funny, cause I think when we were doing it. Like with a lot of indie films, you know, it really takes a village to pull it off. And you know, you have five weeks and all the budgets for everything like so tight. So it's always, you feel like you're, it's like a race against time to get everything done and everything's working against you.
32:09 Jessie Ware? Totally.
32:12 Speaker 05 Julia, the director, is just amazing.
32:14 Jessie Ware? She wrote it as well, didn't she?
32:16 Speaker 05 Yeah, she adapted it.
32:17 Jessie Ware? Yeah. Did you do any scenes with Charlie X yet?
32:19 Speaker 05 No.
32:20 Jessie Ware? No.
32:20 Speaker 05 Funny, because mostly the question I get asked is how was it working with Charlie?
32:24 Jessie Ware? And you're like, yeah, there was like no scenes. She was really good in it.
32:28 Speaker 05 Yeah, she's great in it, yeah.
32:29 Jessie Ware? So, tell me, do you ever go for, have you ever been to Kudu? The South African place?
32:35 Speaker 05 I've never been to Kudu.
32:36 Jessie Ware? Okay, Kudu used to be in Peckham and then they've left us.
32:39 Speaker 05 I know about this, yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:40 Jessie Ware? They've left us from Aranabone. And it's doing, it's going really, really well though. We're thrilled for them. You should go.
32:46 Speaker 05 It's a grill house. Oh, nice.
32:47 Jessie Ware? Really? You should totally go.
32:49 Speaker 05 Okay, okay.
32:50 Jessie Ware? I mean, if you want to eat South African food.
32:51 Speaker 05 Yeah, always. I'm really bad at eating out in London. I never.
32:56 Jessie Ware? Really?
32:56 Speaker 05 Yeah, hardly ever do. In Margate, I do a lot because everything's really close.
33:00 Jessie Ware? Oh, come on, let's give some shout outs to the Margate places.
33:03 Speaker 05 Oh, my god, okay.
33:03 Jessie Ware? Angela's.
33:04 Speaker 05 So many. Angela's is so good and Dory's, which is now actually moving.
33:07 Jessie Ware? Dory's moved, no?
33:08 Speaker 05 Yeah, it's about to move next to Angela's because I didn't realise, it's actually quite boring Margate gossip, but Dory's doesn't have a kitchen, so they were cooking everything.
33:18 Jessie Ware? Schleking and then moving, oh no.
33:19 Speaker 05 Yeah, moving it over the road, wild.
33:22 Speaker 05 Dory's and Angela's are great seafood. Sargasso is amazing for small plates. And Sargasso is the same people who do brawn.
33:29 Jessie Ware? Do you love the Italian? Potager.
33:32 Speaker 05 Oh, my god, you know what? I've never been there. I know.
33:35 Jessie Ware? Potager Caruso?
33:35 Speaker 05 I've never been to Potager Caruso.
33:37 Jessie Ware? Oh, it's lovely.
33:37 Speaker 05 I know, I need to go.
33:38 Jessie Ware? It's really lovely.
33:39 Speaker 05 Tell you where I always go is High Dive or Dive.
33:42 Jessie Ware? Oh, I heard about this, yeah.
33:43 Speaker 05 My friends Percy and Ben. And they started with Dive, which is like a little tiny place on the Harbour Arm and it's tacos and chaladas and stuff like that. And Casey's is so good and the most insane spicy margaritas, so good.
33:57 Jessie Ware? Oh.
33:57 Speaker 05 Do you like Mexican? I really do, yeah. So in LA, it's all. Yeah, I mean, the best. And then, yeah, they've moved up onto the high street, this place called High Dive, which is amazing. So good, High Dive, yeah. Do you swim? I do. Well, I've recently, they've got this thing in Margate called the sea salt or sea scrub sauna.
34:17 Jessie Ware? I love it.
34:18 Speaker 05 You've been, and you do the sauna and you can literally.
34:21 Jessie Ware? They're so sweet there.
34:22 Speaker 05 They're so sweet. And you've got these barrels with like cold water in it and you're right on the beach. And then you're in, one of the saunas is the wood one and one is electric and the electric one just has glass. You can just sit you in the sea. It's amazing. And the other day I was there and it was really windy and we were just watching these kite surfers and they must have been like super pro kite surfers. And they were doing all these flips and stuff over the tidal pool. It was like, I was like, wow.
34:45 Speaker 04 So you don't run into the sea after your sauna?
34:50 Speaker 05 It looks so cold.
34:51 Jessie Ware? He did it and I just was like, I'll just go in the little.
34:55 Speaker 05 Yeah, no, I mean, that is, I find that hard enough.
34:58 Jessie Ware? I like the sauna bit.
34:59 Speaker 05 I love the sauna bit.
34:59 Jessie Ware? Love. I'm going to the sauna tomorrow, actually.
35:01 Speaker 05 Also, you meet amazing people in it. If you do, most of it is like social sauna.
35:05 Jessie Ware? I love chatting.
35:06 Speaker 05 You love, yeah.
35:07 Jessie Ware? And I have been told off for chatting before and I'm a bit like.
35:12 Speaker 05 No, it's so nice. Love the chat. Yeah.
35:14 Jessie Ware? Also, it passes the time whilst you're sweating.
35:16 Speaker 05 Exactly.
35:17 Jessie Ware? We are gonna have a pod as well if you can fit it in.
35:19 Speaker 05 Oh my god, really? Yeah.
35:20 Jessie Ware? Yeah, and then he's made a dairy free lemon tart.
35:25 Speaker 04 And I've got dairy free ice cream to have a bit.
35:29 Jessie Ware? Yeah. No, it's quite nice. That's glace, Swedish glace ice cream. Have you had it?
35:34 Speaker 05 I haven't had it.
35:35 Jessie Ware? It's a good, it's a good alternative though.
35:37 Speaker 05 It's just quite a new, my dairy thing's quite new, so I haven't really been out there trying all the bits.
35:41 Jessie Ware? No, it's, I feel like have a little go on it and see how you feel.
35:46 Speaker 04 How long were you in L A for?
35:47 Speaker 05 Three days.
35:48 Speaker 04 Oh, so you're not really settled into the time there?
35:52 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm. No. And I was really, I was using the Dramamine every night. It's my new thing.
35:58 Jessie Ware? It's seasick.
35:59 Speaker 05 It's seasickness, but it has a drowsiness thing, like when you take antihistamine. And I weirdly just found that it worked.
36:05 Speaker 04 I think I'm gonna try and get it.
36:06 Speaker 05 It's because I was, you know, I went to New York last year in November and had got the worst food poisoning from the plane.
36:13 Jessie Ware? Oh, no.
36:14 Speaker 05 Couldn't get out of bed for like four days.
36:16 Jessie Ware? What did you eat?
36:17 Speaker 05 I don't, I think the Christmas dinner, which to be fair, that's on me. It is just on me. And I think I had like salmon to start and I was like, what are you doing? But um. But I discovered it then because I was really nauseous. So I took Dramamine and then it also just put like, I just. Put me to sleep, which is great. Sorry, look at that.
36:35 Speaker 04 Well, let's see.
36:37 Speaker 05 You know what, if you did, Lenny, if you did this on, if you did this on Bake Off. That would be a, that would be a handshake.
36:42 Speaker 04 Hollywood said if I went on, he'd make sure I'd win.
36:46 Speaker 05 I'm completely sure.
36:47 Speaker 04 So it's made with coconut oil, some coconut, some flour.
36:52 Jessie Ware? Oh, it's good, Mum.
36:53 Speaker 05 It's beautiful.
36:54 Speaker 04 It's, but you don't roll it out, you have to press it in. She's probably slightly thicker than I would have cooked.
37:02 Speaker 05 Wow, oh my god, look at that texture.
37:04 Jessie Ware? Well, this is actually perfect that you're dairy free. I've got to sing later, so this is great, actually.
37:08 Speaker 04 Actually, I have to say, I didn't put the corn flour in by accident.
37:13 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
37:13 Speaker 04 And I think it's still got a nice little wobble there.
37:16 Speaker 05 It's got a great wobble.
37:18 Speaker 04 What do you think?
37:19 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm.
37:20 Jessie Ware? Mm-hmm. I don't miss.
37:21 Speaker 05 Oh my god.
37:22 Jessie Ware? I'm not missing.
37:23 Speaker 05 You wouldn't know.
37:25 Jessie Ware? You're not missing.
37:26 Speaker 05 You wouldn't know.
37:27 Jessie Ware? That's great, Mum.
37:28 Speaker 05 Mmm.
37:29 Jessie Ware? Oh, the coconut just hit.
37:31 Speaker 05 It's really good. I'm getting a coconut.
37:33 Speaker 04 Wouldn't know that was dairy free.
37:35 Speaker 05 You would not know.
37:36 Jessie Ware? Great, Mum.
37:36 Speaker 05 Also, the coconut and lemon is in itself a great mix.
37:39 Jessie Ware? Tell me more about these summers in France. When you had, you used to go to France a lot as a child.
37:47 Speaker 05 Yeah.
37:47 Jessie Ware? And you kind of grew up with the same people. We have a similar thing where we go to Greece every year and kind of. Got drunk there for the first time, you know.
37:54 Speaker 05 Oh my god, it was the best. It's like that kind of thing where. I think back and I'm like, wow, I feel like that's the place I really grew up. Yeah, so this, it was in the Limousin.
38:03 Jessie Ware? Where is that?
38:05 Speaker 05 I have no idea. In the middle?
38:07 Jessie Ware? When I thought, when I was reading it, I thought it was like you took a limousine there.
38:10 Speaker 05 That's so funny. Can you imagine? I used to take a limo. No, we would drive, my mum and my brothers would drive. I think it's like down from Paris, I should know this. It's where like, Le Moje, I think that's where it is.
38:23 Jessie Ware? Do you know in the west?
38:24 Speaker 05 Southwest. So my mum, it was just me and my mum and my brothers and we would go every summer. For about five or six years, I think. From when I was about maybe twelve or thirteen to when I was about seventeen, eighteen. And she found this farm, which was owned by this Scottish family. Who'd moved there and they had some teepees on the farm that they would, sort of, you could stay in. And the very first time we went there, we happened to go with two families with kids around the same age. And then we all got on and the family who owned the farm, Paula and Graham, had got about like five or six kids across all age groups. And I actually recently found a photo of all of us and there must have been about fifteen, sixteen of us kids and we lined up in high order and it was literally like this. There was almost someone in every single age group.
39:09 Speaker 05 And it was fantastic and we just, we ate amazing food. Cooked pizzas outside and built fires and eventually we ended up going there so much that we would end up, Graham, who ran the farm with Paula, they would both say, you know, you've, you're coming here every summer, you've got to work now. So we would start working on the farm with them.
39:30 Jessie Ware? That was great.
39:30 Speaker 05 Which was great. I mean, doing the stuff that they allowed us to do, which was like picking vegetables and stuff. But I did go back for lambing season one year in Easter and that was so fun.
39:40 Jessie Ware? Oh, how old were you?
39:42 Speaker 05 When I did the lambing season, I think I must have been seventeen, maybe.
39:47 Jessie Ware? When was the last time you went?
39:49 Speaker 05 Probably that time, I think, because then they moved to New Zealand and they now, they now, they're now farming in New Zealand, yeah. So it all sort of moved on, but, um, which is sad, but it was the best time, like such freedom.
40:04 Jessie Ware? You, you, you're quite like hardy, aren't you? Like I imagine if you like camping.
40:08 Speaker 05 I really like camping.
40:09 Jessie Ware? Yeah, like, and you still like camping, don't you?
40:12 Speaker 05 Camping, yeah.
40:13 Jessie Ware? Canopian Stars is a good website.
40:15 Speaker 05 Canopian Stars?
40:16 Jessie Ware? It is very good.
40:17 Speaker 05 Can we give a massive shout out to Canopian Stars? Have you used it?
40:19 Jessie Ware? I mean, I dabbled, babe.
40:21 Speaker 05 You dabbled, okay.
40:21 Jessie Ware? I'm a bit more Jewish princess than, uh, Canopian Stars. But I have, and I think they've got completely charming. Look, I'm more like, I can do like. A log cabin. And I will do camping and I don't wanna deny my children that experience, cause this is like, you know. Mum, do you felt I denied you? You definitely denied us. Do you feel you missed out? I feel like I'm more of a princess. Yeah. And I feel like I would like to know how to, I just learnt how to use my log burner. Cause I couldn't light a fire. Do you know, I'm quite useless. Well, I could light a fire. You should have gone to guides. Oh no. Girl guides, no thanks. I'd have woodcraft folk instead. Teach you how to.
41:03 Jessie Ware? Ish kish kosh, we are one blood, you and I, we'll go strong and like the pine tree or something. Yeah, it was like the hippie. Socialists. Fantastic, great. It was quite fun. Tell me about this game of games that you created with Josh O'Connor.
41:15 Speaker 05 Oh my god, it's so good.
41:18 Jessie Ware? You created a game?
41:19 Speaker 05 We created a game, a game of games.
41:20 Jessie Ware? And is it like sold?
41:22 Speaker 05 No, it's not, but it should be.
41:24 Jessie Ware? Babe?
41:25 Speaker 05 Patent it.
41:26 Jessie Ware? Yes. Okay, tell me about game of games that you created with Josh O'Connor.
41:30 Speaker 05 So it's a Capricorn game.
41:31 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
41:31 Speaker 05 So if we were playing, the basic, the idea is basically to find the last supper, right? The ultimate meal.
41:38 Jessie Ware? Okay.
41:38 Speaker 05 Of everyone, slash in the world.
41:40 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
41:41 Speaker 05 So then, and it's like a process of elimination. So there are like several rounds.
41:46 Jessie Ware? Yeah. So it's a tournament?
41:48 Speaker 05 It's a tournament, it's a food tournament. And then those two play each other. So say we were gonna do like two rounds and it would be on, let's say, breakfast foods. So we're establishing the best breakfast food. I would maybe pitch like, I'm a big eggs person.
42:03 Jessie Ware? Me too.
42:04 Speaker 05 So I would say like the perfect boiled egg with soldiers, maybe with a bit of marmite on the soldiers.
42:10 Jessie Ware? Definitely.
42:10 Speaker 05 If you're into that. And then maybe you would say versus, and then you.
42:15 Jessie Ware? No, scrambled egg. Right. No, I mean, you've just chosen quite my ideal. Okay, I'm gonna go versus a fried egg in butter with sage.
42:26 Speaker 05 Whoa.
42:27 Jessie Ware? On fresh sourdough.
42:29 Speaker 05 So now, we decide. We all go round and vote for which one we would choose.
42:34 Jessie Ware? But are you supposed to like wow people? That's the thing. Am I going like parata with like a chutney and aubergine pickle? And lime pickle?
42:42 Speaker 05 So the thing, the fun thing is it got to the point where people like standing up and painting a whole picture. And then we had to establish some boundaries because people were saying like, you know, it's like the morning after you've met the love of your life and you're like the like sun is breaking in through the windows and so all right.
42:56 Jessie Ware? You're like methoding, you're like, you need to do like, you could go into different categories. You could go beyond food.
43:01 Speaker 05 You could, we did, we did.
43:02 Jessie Ware? Go holidays.
43:03 Speaker 05 We did Christmas Day. So the best part of Christmas Day we did. I remember people got really into that, like different, everyone's different traditions and stuff.
43:09 Jessie Ware? You sound really fun to have at a dinner party.
43:11 Speaker 05 Oh, thank, I do love a game.
43:12 Jessie Ware? Do you go, guys? It's time for game of games.
43:16 Speaker 05 It's time for game of games. Or any game, to be honest.
43:18 Jessie Ware? Before we let you go. You know, you were kind of talking about this at the beginning, but nostalgic, a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere. Where are we gonna go for that?
43:29 Speaker 05 Okay, nostalgic taste is an oat crunchy.
43:34 Jessie Ware? Oat crunchy?
43:35 Speaker 05 Yeah, which is a.
43:36 Jessie Ware? Like a flapjack?
43:37 Speaker 05 Well, it is something my aunt used to make in South Africa. Every time we'd go, she'd bring me a tin of oat crunchies. And they're like a flapjack, but it's more, they're hard, they're harder, they're crunchier than a flapjack. And they're really good, like golden syrupy oaty.
43:54 Jessie Ware? They've got a custard in the middle, like a filling.
43:56 Speaker 05 Literally just an oat. Like a little rectangle of oat and they're crunchy and yeah, so good.
44:01 Jessie Ware? What about veneers? That's all I'd worry about.
44:05 Speaker 05 Is the teeth.
44:06 Jessie Ware? Thing off.
44:08 Speaker 05 I broke, I broke my tooth in an M and M once.
44:10 Jessie Ware? Oh, did you?
44:11 Speaker 05 Yeah, peanut M and M.
44:12 Jessie Ware? Which tooth?
44:14 Speaker 05 One of the back ones.
44:14 Jessie Ware? Oh, thank God.
44:15 Speaker 05 Yeah, I know.
44:16 Jessie Ware? You need to pick that up, darling.
44:18 Speaker 05 I know, I'm sorry, I just love it. I've been trying.
44:20 Jessie Ware? Such a hard, I'm sorry it's so hard.
44:22 Speaker 05 No. When we were younger, my mum invented a scary woman called Lady Pilkington Smythe. And mum would, would always be like, if we didn't sit upright at the table.
44:31 Jessie Ware? Oh.
44:32 Speaker 05 Or like eat properly that she was gonna come tell us off.
44:35 Jessie Ware? Lady Pilkington Smythe?
44:37 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
44:39 Jessie Ware? And you believed it? She's probably in Bridgerton this year.
44:42 Speaker 05 I know.
44:44 Speaker 05 Well, she will be next season.
44:45 Jessie Ware? I love the imagination of your mum.
44:48 Speaker 05 Well, my mum is like the sweetest, loveliest person ever and kind of incapable of telling us off. So she had to create an alter ego.
44:55 Jessie Ware? Oh, we could, I love that. Your own Mr. Darcy, who was your favourite?
45:01 Speaker 05 Out of the ones that have been, Matthew, I think.
45:04 Speaker 04 Do you?
45:05 Speaker 05 Hmm.
45:05 Speaker 04 Not Colin coming out of the river?
45:08 Jessie Ware? Wasn't that Matthew?
45:10 Speaker 04 No, Colin Firth was the one that came out with the wet.
45:12 Speaker 05 The hand, tell me about the hand. You know, the shot of the hand, when he helps her into the carriage? And then there's a close up of his hand and he like shakes it out.
45:22 Speaker 04 Oh no, I can't remember that.
45:23 Speaker 05 It's so iconic and.
45:25 Speaker 04 Colin Firth came out of the water.
45:27 Jessie Ware? Yeah, I think Matthew did too, didn't he? I'm sure Jack does too.
45:31 Speaker 05 I don't think Matthew came out of the water, didn't they? They have the scene where they're like drenched in the rain.
45:36 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah.
45:36 Jessie Ware? Who was the Elizabeth, was it Jennifer?
45:39 Speaker 04 Earl.
45:40 Speaker 05 Earl, yeah.
45:41 Jessie Ware? Was she with Colin or, okay?
45:43 Speaker 05 And Kira was with Matthew.
45:45 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah.
45:46 Speaker 05 Yeah.
45:46 Speaker 04 So you're going to be this new couple.
45:49 Speaker 05 I know.
45:49 Speaker 04 Yeah.
45:50 Speaker 05 It's exciting, God, I hope people like us.
45:52 Speaker 04 Who's your favourite Elizabeth Bennet? Oh, Emma Corrin, God.
45:57 Jessie Ware? Good luck with everything. It's so exciting seeing you on screen and doing so much. Are you going to do West End or Broadway anytime soon again?
46:04 Speaker 05 Yeah. Did you love theatre? Yeah, it's like where I started, so it always feels like coming home a bit, yeah.
46:10 Jessie Ware? Um, I hope you get some rest.
46:11 Speaker 05 Thank you. Thank you for feeding me such a good meal.
46:15 Speaker 04 Darling, darling, off the street from here, I know.
46:17 Speaker 05 Yeah. I want to do this every time I get off a plane.
46:19 Jessie Ware? You're welcome anytime, Emma. And nice summer love to Margot.
46:23 Speaker 05 Thank you.
46:38 Jessie Ware? Emma Corrin, I'd quite like to have their number and make friends because they were so lovely.
46:44 Speaker 04 What a gorgeous person, very appreciative.
46:47 Jessie Ware? Yeah, they were so lovely and that lemon tart was amazing.
46:51 Speaker 04 Did you like it?
46:52 Jessie Ware? I really liked it.
46:53 Speaker 04 Oh, good darling.
46:54 Jessie Ware? It was great.
46:55 Speaker 04 Good.
46:56 Jessie Ware? A Hundred Nights of Hero is out on the 6th of February and you should definitely go and see it. It's a visual feast and they are fabulous, isn't it? Thank you to Emma for coming on and telling us all your food stories. And thanks to everyone for watching and listening and we'll see you next week.
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48:01 Speaker 02 This December, the magic of Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol returns to Virginia Repertory Theater in downtown Richmond. Experience the transformation of Ebenezer Scrooge as he's visited by the ghosts of Christmas past, present, and future, and rediscovers the joy and true meaning of the holiday season. Performances run November 18 through December 27. Tickets on sale now at virginiarep.org or by calling 804-282-2620.
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