Pod Insights Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware Marcus Mumford About this episode On this week's episode we welcome musician and songwriter, Marcus Mumford! We chatted to Marcus in the lead up to brand new Mumford & Sons music and what sounds like an incredible 2026 for the band. Over steak tagliata, we talked about performing at Glastonbury, living in Devon, surfing in Malibu, the church his parents set up, his beloved Wimbledon AFC, and we hear all about Taylor Swift using his studio in Devon to finish her album. Thank you Marcus for travelling across the country to join us for dinner, wishing you all the best ❤️ Mumford & Sons’ new album ‘Prizefighter’ is out February 13th, and features collaborations with Gracie Abrams, Chris Stapleton & Hozier. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.
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0:35 Jessie Ware? Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Wern and I'm here with my mum, Lenny.
0:40 Speaker 02 Who needs dentures? No way.
0:42 Jessie Ware? What happened last night?
0:44 Speaker 02 A double crown fell out and I promise you, all your inheritance is going in my mouth, darling.
0:51 Speaker 02 That's all I can tell you.
0:52 Jessie Ware? Mum, I'm just saying, the front one came out like two weeks ago and now two are coming. Just get some false teeth. No?
0:59 Speaker 02 I have implants, darling. I've got...
1:01 Jessie Ware? Well, they're not fucking implanted very well, are they?
1:04 Speaker 02 These are old ones. This needs renewing. It's fine.
1:08 Jessie Ware? Anyway, how are you, Lenny?
1:09 Speaker 02 Well, I was fine till I spoke to you. Dentures.
1:14 Jessie Ware? So usually we do the intro before the guest comes, but we love a slightly early guest. And the guest today was a little early. So now we're doing the intro after having had a fabulous evening with him. We have Marcus.
1:29 Speaker 02 Did you? Sorry, did you manifest his early arrival? Because you want to go to bed early.
1:35 Jessie Ware? I love it. It's my favourite. We have Marcus Mumford coming on Table Manners tonight and I'm very excited. I'm looking at the camera because now we have cameras. I don't know if I... Am I taking the cameras seriously?
1:48 Speaker 02 I thought someone was...
1:50 Jessie Ware? No, it's my dodgy eye. No.
1:54 Speaker 02 One eye out the window, one up the chimney.
1:57 Jessie Ware? One on my camera, one on my YouTube.
1:59 Speaker 02 I don't know where you were.
2:00 Jessie Ware? Okay, I'm going to stop doing that. We're still working. It's early days, Lenny. Let me flush it out.
2:04 Speaker 02 Am I supposed to be looking over there like?
2:05 Jessie Ware? I don't know.
2:06 Speaker 02 You mean like, like Blue Peter?
2:08 Jessie Ware? Yeah. Okay, fine, I'm not going to look at the camera anymore. Um...
2:16 Jessie Ware? We have Marcus Mumford on, who is of course from Mumford and Sons.
2:20 Speaker 02 We never, where did they get their title from?
2:23 Jessie Ware? Are you kidding mum? Marcus Mumford?
2:25 Speaker 02 Of course. But Sons, oh sorry, but Sons.
2:29 Jessie Ware? Are you actually kidding?
2:30 Speaker 02 No, but Sons.
2:32 Jessie Ware? And Mates, I don't, Marcus Mumford and Mates doesn't work as well.
2:35 Speaker 02 Okay, sorry.
2:37 Speaker 02 It's not.
2:38 Jessie Ware? I'm glad you didn't ask him that.
2:39 Speaker 02 No, I just, the Sons thing, Jessie, I know the Mumford.
2:44 Jessie Ware? Okay, anyway, Marcus Mumford is coming on to talk all things new music. It's the new Mumford and Sons record that's coming out next year. They've already had one out at the beginning of this year. They're prolific.
2:57 Speaker 02 Big tour.
2:57 Jessie Ware? Big tour that they've already started. And, and we get to chat to him. He's coming all the way from Devon.
3:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:04 Jessie Ware? So.
3:04 Speaker 02 He likes meat.
3:06 Jessie Ware? Apparently, so I'm on food duty today. I have to give a shout out to Rosie, my gorgeous nanny, who has helped with the judging of, and actually going and buying the steaks today. So thank you, Rosie, you're the best. I think she did it because she's a massive Mumford and Sons fan. But I heard from Emma Freud, who has been on our podcast before, who we love, who's really good friends with Marcus. I said, what does he like eating? Can you give me some tips? And she said, he loves a good cut of steak. So I went to Proud South, it's in Crofton Park, it's lovely butchers. And we got four gorgeous sirloin steaks. I'm going to make tagliata, beef tagliata, which is really easy. It's in our cookbook and it's really nice.
3:51 Jessie Ware? You just sear it, well, cook it on either side, maybe three to four minutes on either side. And then within that, you take it, let it rest and you put crushed garlic, rosemary, lemon zest and lemon juice. And you just kind of let it sit for a bit. And then serve it with some rocket and you slice it up and it should be just delicious. So I've had my sirloin steaks.
4:15 Speaker 02 What's what tagliata mean?
4:16 Jessie Ware? What? Oh dessert, okay. And so I've had the steaks coming to room temperature, they've been salted, they've been seasoned and then I'm making this mob kitchen potato salad, which is basically the base of pea, artichoke, Dijon, lemon, and then you juice that all up and then you put on top new potatoes with asparagus, sesame seeds, zatar, rocket, but I didn't put rocket because I had that with the thing. So I put some watercress in there and some feta and mint. So it's just gonna be quite fresh and lovely with this quite rare steak. And then what have you made for Pudd?
4:59 Speaker 02 I've made a brown sugar and hazelnut pavlova with quince.
5:04 Jessie Ware? Yum. Gorgeous.
5:07 Speaker 02 Bit of a disaster with the quinces.
5:09 Jessie Ware? What happened?
5:09 Speaker 02 I burnt the syrup.
5:11 Jessie Ware? Oh.
5:12 Speaker 02 I over bubbled it. So I had to start again.
5:15 Jessie Ware? Oh.
5:16 Speaker 02 Have you ever cut a quince up?
5:17 Jessie Ware? No.
5:17 Speaker 02 It's like cutting a rock up.
5:19 Jessie Ware? Oh.
5:20 Speaker 02 Yeah. But it's all right. It's all worked out.
5:22 Jessie Ware? It looks really nice.
5:23 Speaker 02 Yeah.
5:24 Jessie Ware? Good. Yeah, Marcus Mumford coming up on Ted and Mads.
5:35 Jessie Ware? Marcus Mumford.
5:36 Speaker 03 Hi.
5:37 Jessie Ware? Why have you been walking around New Cross for an hour?
5:39 Speaker 03 Because the Elizabeth Line is unbelievable. It was the first time I've been on it and the Windrush Line as well.
5:45 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
5:46 Speaker 03 Absolutely fantastic.
5:47 Jessie Ware? That's the first time you've been on either of them?
5:48 Speaker 03 I haven't been on the Elizabeth Line.
5:50 Jessie Ware? Where have you been, babe?
5:50 Speaker 03 I've been, I live in Devon.
5:52 Jessie Ware? Oh, fair enough.
5:53 Speaker 03 So it's been a while and it was unbelievable.
5:57 Jessie Ware? I love that. This is like your version of going on like a double decker, open top bus. You went on the Windrush.
6:02 Speaker 03 I mean, I've always been, I grew up in London, I'm a big fan of the tube, but the Elizabeth Line is a game changer.
6:07 Jessie Ware? Yeah, but did it smell when you got to, which is the, which is the stop where it stinks? It smells of damp. Have you not been on it? Anybody in the house? Have you been on it? Do you know? Oh, it's when you go. Yeah, of course I have.
6:21 Speaker 03 Do you not take the tube?
6:22 Jessie Ware? No. No.
6:23 Speaker 03 No, you're too elegant.
6:26 Speaker 02 I'm lazy. I'm lazy.
6:28 Jessie Ware? Yeah, exactly. Mum thinks that if I play Glastonbury again, she's gonna do the helicopter like Shirley Bassey.
6:33 Speaker 03 As you should.
6:34 Jessie Ware? Have you ever got a helicopter into?
6:36 Speaker 03 No.
6:36 Jessie Ware? Glastonbury?
6:37 Speaker 03 No. No, because I drive from home. It doesn't take very long.
6:40 Jessie Ware? Oh, yeah.
6:41 Speaker 03 In fact, we took our youngest when she was. Four weeks, maybe three weeks old.
6:48 Jessie Ware? Was this when you, oh, I thought when you were headlining.
6:51 Speaker 03 No, no.
6:52 Jessie Ware? She wasn't around then.
6:53 Speaker 03 No, I, I know I got kicked out of our dressing room then I wasn't allowed back in because I tried to steal the furniture. So I wanted a memento, so I took the sofa, tried to load the sofa into the back of a van.
7:03 Jessie Ware? Hang on a minute.
7:04 Speaker 03 They'd had enough.
7:04 Jessie Ware? So when, when you headlined Pyramid Stage, what was it, twenty twelve?
7:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, something like that.
7:10 Jessie Ware? You got, you tried to steal the sofa?
7:12 Speaker 02 A, a little memento.
7:13 Jessie Ware? Have you played since?
7:15 Speaker 03 Um, no.
7:17 Speaker 02 Well, you kissed Emily off.
7:18 Speaker 03 I know, I know.
7:20 Speaker 02 Do you think you really have? No.
7:22 Speaker 03 Oh, maybe. No, I don't think so. No, I saw Michael when we took, uh, we took our youngest to go see Elton and I saw, um, Michael. He was like, when are you coming back? And I was like, oh, whenever you want.
7:32 Jessie Ware? He's like, you can come back when you give me back my sofa.
7:34 Speaker 03 No, I didn't succeed, but they did kick me out of the dressing room and didn't let me back in.
7:37 Jessie Ware? Oh, my God.
7:39 Speaker 03 It's just the best festival on earth, though.
7:40 Jessie Ware? It is.
7:41 Speaker 03 Did your, every other festival is trying to be Glastonbury.
7:43 Speaker 02 Have you, have you been to Coachella? Do you like Coachella?
7:46 Speaker 03 Um, I.
7:47 Speaker 02 I've never experienced sand like that.
7:50 Speaker 03 It's too hot. We did Stagecoach last year.
7:54 Jessie Ware? Oh, I really wanna go to that.
7:55 Speaker 03 Really fun.
7:56 Jessie Ware? That's so good that you can do that.
7:58 Speaker 03 I like that one.
7:59 Jessie Ware? Versatile, muffin and sun.
8:00 Speaker 03 In the world are trying to, um, be like Glastonbury. It's the OG. It's the best.
8:06 Jessie Ware? It's the best. So let's talk about, well, we're going to talk about Devon in a bit, but let's talk about Wimbledon.
8:11 Speaker 03 Udon's.
8:12 Jessie Ware? Um.
8:13 Speaker 03 Sorry.
8:13 Jessie Ware? AFC.
8:14 Speaker 03 Udon's.
8:14 Jessie Ware? Yeah. Do you get to go to, go and see them?
8:17 Speaker 03 I actually took my daughter to her first ever football game when we got promoted last season at Wembley.
8:23 Jessie Ware? Congratulations.
8:23 Speaker 03 It was fantastic. And we're doing quite well.
8:25 Speaker 02 You based in Milton Keynes still?
8:27 Speaker 03 Absolutely not. No, this is gonna, we're gonna have to clear this up immediately. So Wimbledon were the first ever and only team sold as a franchise to a different city.
8:36 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:36 Speaker 03 Different town. And, um, they were sold to Milton Keynes. So that, we don't really like that.
8:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:41 Speaker 03 Those words in our house.
8:42 Speaker 02 Okay.
8:42 Speaker 03 Um, so we tend not to play Milton Keynes very much, but, um.
8:46 Speaker 02 So where are you based?
8:47 Speaker 03 So the fans set up their own club, which is called AFC Wimbledon, which is very different to the Milton Keynes team.
8:53 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:54 Jessie Ware? And do you get to still play at South Park?
8:56 Speaker 03 No, we built a stadium at Plough Lane.
8:59 Speaker 02 So you're back down Plough Lane again?
9:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:02 Speaker 02 I didn't, why didn't I know that?
9:04 Jessie Ware? I don't know.
9:05 Speaker 02 Because they built all houses there and, and the dogs went.
9:09 Speaker 03 That's it. They built the stadium on where the dogs were. Did you ever go to the dogs?
9:13 Jessie Ware? I loved the dogs.
9:14 Speaker 03 I never went.
9:14 Jessie Ware? And stock car racing.
9:16 Speaker 03 It's what, I grew up Wimbledon.
9:17 Speaker 02 Stock car, do you remember?
9:18 Speaker 03 My brothers was at, my brother was at school in Battersea and then I went to primary school in Battersea. So we used to drive past Plough Lane every day, always go past the dogs and I never went.
9:26 Jessie Ware? Oh my, it was so good. I think it used to go for my birthday.
9:28 Speaker 03 Is that where Blur shot the cover of Parkour?
9:31 Jessie Ware? No, they were Walthamstow. Um, so let's talk about Wimbledon.
9:33 Speaker 03 But I was in Wimbledon when you were in Clam.
9:36 Jessie Ware? Clam, yeah, yeah. And my husband was in St. Reitham, right up the road, yeah.
9:41 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:42 Jessie Ware? And so who was round the dinner table and what were you eating?
9:44 Speaker 03 Hmm. Round the dinner table most nights was after the six o'clock news.
9:49 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
9:50 Speaker 03 After I'd delivered my father a glass of red wine and maybe some nuts. Then we'd eat at six thirty and it was normally just the four of us, gone older brother.
9:59 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
9:59 Speaker 03 And then my parents. And they'd try and get us to eat together as much as we could once we were sort of six or something. Do you eat with your kids?
10:06 Jessie Ware? I, I love it, but I like eating at like five in the, in the evening.
10:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:10 Jessie Ware? I love it. Do you eat with your kids?
10:12 Speaker 03 Yeah, we just started to.
10:13 Jessie Ware? Are you trying to do the, who delivers you?
10:15 Speaker 03 The other night?
10:16 Jessie Ware? Yeah, well sushi's, how old is your eldest?
10:19 Speaker 03 Ten.
10:20 Jessie Ware? That is the sushi time.
10:21 Speaker 02 Girl.
10:22 Speaker 03 It's the eight year old. She's not that into it. She had a chicken nuggets, she had a gary roll. But no, the eight year old is obsessed with it and he, yeah, yeah, we did it very.
10:30 Speaker 02 Oh, so the ten year old doesn't like it?
10:32 Speaker 03 No, no. But no, so we've just started eating with our kids and it's different, a different phase.
10:38 Speaker 02 Who cooks?
10:39 Speaker 03 I do the cooking actually most of the time.
10:41 Speaker 02 You the main chef in the house?
10:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, we've all been in denial about that for a while, but the truth is like, I had my wife confess to it the other day as well. I do the cooking.
10:49 Speaker 02 What's your best dish?
10:53 Speaker 03 Well, we eat a lot of salads. I am married to an actor and I like him now as well. She's changed me. So we we we basically go about trying to burn vegetables.
11:05 Jessie Ware? Tell you, that's not really cooking.
11:07 Speaker 03 We burn it. Well, no, wait till you hear this. Wait till you hear this. We'll burn as much.
11:12 Jessie Ware? Is that being me?
11:13 Speaker 03 Vegetable content as we can. And then we'll do, my go to is like butternut squash, almost burnt.
11:20 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
11:20 Speaker 03 So it's almost like it's caramelised.
11:22 Jessie Ware? Caramelised, yeah.
11:23 Speaker 03 Pine nuts toasted.
11:25 Jessie Ware? Gorgeous.
11:26 Speaker 03 Feta, chopped up, small avocado.
11:29 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
11:30 Speaker 03 And sweet corn, fresh. We grow sweet corn and it's absolutely amazing. It's super sweet. And then balsamic olive oil. Like that is good. There's quite a lot of cooking that goes into that. And then chicken breast or something.
11:42 Jessie Ware? Okay. I really, well, it sounds delicious.
11:46 Speaker 03 Are you gonna judge me?
11:47 Jessie Ware? No.
11:48 Speaker 03 For the fact that I've just gone air fryer?
11:51 Jessie Ware? No, we love.
11:52 Speaker 03 Okay, good. Okay, good.
11:53 Jessie Ware? What's working for you? Yeah.
11:55 Speaker 03 Well, it's just bang out salmon in eight minutes.
11:58 Jessie Ware? I know.
11:59 Speaker 03 And it's a total mood changer.
12:00 Jessie Ware? Chicken.
12:01 Speaker 03 Chicken in twelve.
12:02 Jessie Ware? Have you done um chicken thighs in there yet?
12:05 Speaker 03 Yes.
12:06 Jessie Ware? Chicken thighs. I think that's the best.
12:07 Speaker 03 Game changer.
12:08 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
12:08 Speaker 03 Game changer. And then we do for our sort of roasting vegetables situation we've got going on.
12:13 Jessie Ware? Your veggies in there. I can't go on.
12:16 Speaker 03 Tender stem broccoli.
12:17 Jessie Ware? Oh. Do you do it in the air fryer? Gorgeous.
12:20 Speaker 03 And like proper crispy.
12:21 Jessie Ware? Now, are you spraying a little bit of oil on there?
12:23 Speaker 03 No, do you know what I'm doing? I'm tossing.
12:25 Jessie Ware? Are you?
12:26 Speaker 03 I'm pre tossing.
12:27 Jessie Ware? You toss it before it goes in?
12:28 Speaker 03 Pre toss. Yeah, so I don't know. That's probably more indulgent than a spray.
12:33 Jessie Ware? I still haven't got your Wimbledon dinner. Okay, so.
12:36 Speaker 03 Okay, so yeah.
12:37 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
12:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'll get distracted.
12:38 Jessie Ware? After the nuts and the red wine at six thirty, who was cooking?
12:42 Speaker 03 My mum.
12:43 Jessie Ware? And was she a great cook?
12:45 Speaker 03 Great cook.
12:45 Jessie Ware? What's a very memorable meal?
12:47 Speaker 03 I mean, her roast chicken would probably still remain my last meal.
12:52 Jessie Ware? Okay.
12:53 Speaker 03 If I had to choose one.
12:54 Jessie Ware? Do you know that's a question on this?
12:56 Speaker 03 Oh, yes, is it? Okay, great. Okay, well, I've got another option.
12:59 Jessie Ware? Okay, okay, fine.
13:01 Speaker 03 Her roast chicken with roast potatoes, some sort of greenery, which was basically irrelevant because it was just a vehicle for gravy.
13:08 Jessie Ware? Mm.
13:09 Speaker 03 And redcurrant jelly.
13:10 Jessie Ware? Good gravy. I love redcurrant jelly.
13:12 Speaker 03 Always quite a lot of booze in the gravy.
13:13 Jessie Ware? Really?
13:14 Speaker 03 A lot of booze.
13:15 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
13:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:16 Jessie Ware? It's, I.
13:17 Speaker 03 And like a deep. Dark brown.
13:21 Jessie Ware? Because of red wine?
13:22 Speaker 03 Because of red wine and marmite.
13:24 Jessie Ware? Mmm.
13:25 Speaker 03 She always puts marmite in her gravy.
13:26 Jessie Ware? Do you love marmite?
13:27 Speaker 03 I like marmite. Yeah, I do. I like, yeah.
13:29 Jessie Ware? Do you like Vegemite?
13:30 Speaker 03 Yeah. I've got a lot of time for Vegemite.
13:32 Jessie Ware? Me too.
13:33 Speaker 02 I only put marmite in lamb gravy.
13:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, see, I think so traditionally chicken gravy is paler.
13:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
13:39 Speaker 03 She always went dark.
13:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
13:41 Speaker 03 I think because of the red wine marmite combo.
13:42 Speaker 02 Okay.
13:43 Speaker 03 It was always very rich.
13:44 Speaker 02 Yeah, right.
13:45 Speaker 03 And I was a fat child.
13:48 Speaker 02 So was I.
13:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:49 Speaker 02 Um, I dessert.
13:52 Speaker 03 Always.
13:53 Speaker 02 Every evening.
13:53 Speaker 03 Which has also been a problem for me.
13:55 Speaker 02 So you didn't have, you weren't made to have just a, an apple after your dinner?
14:00 Speaker 03 No, we changed that after I had a heart to heart with her when I was about sixteen and was like, I'm quite fat. And she was like, maybe there's some things I could be doing to support you in not being quite so fat. We did, we had that conversation.
14:13 Speaker 02 You had that conversation.
14:14 Speaker 03 And so my snacks changed. I started taking, I think instead of chocolate bars like Kit Kats and Mars bars, I would take in those brunch bars, which is still chocolate covered granola bars.
14:24 Jessie Ware? Yeah, they're like masking, like they're basically.
14:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:27 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
14:27 Speaker 03 And like baked Walkers crisps instead of the full.
14:30 Jessie Ware? Mate, me too.
14:31 Speaker 03 It was the nineties.
14:32 Speaker 02 What was your favourite sandwich?
14:34 Speaker 03 Um, cheese and ham with some sort of niche chutney in it. Love a niche chutney. My favourite chutney now is Mrs Balls. Have you had that one?
14:42 Jessie Ware? No.
14:42 Speaker 03 It's a great name, but it's also a great chutney. Mrs Balls, like South African relish.
14:47 Speaker 02 It's a South African one. I know it is because it's in my apricot, um, chicken recipe.
14:53 Jessie Ware? So what are you getting in your local farm shop in, um, in, in Devon?
14:56 Speaker 03 Well, we're quite close to the Devon Chili Farm and I really like their chutneys. Chili jams.
15:03 Jessie Ware? Yum.
15:03 Speaker 03 Hot sauces.
15:04 Jessie Ware? Gorgeous.
15:04 Speaker 03 They're really good. Um, and then we get given a lot of chutney. Because we don't drink, right? So when, yeah, we don't drink. So when people come to our house, they'll bring niche things and most of the time that means they bring chutney.
15:19 Jessie Ware? What would you prefer them to bring?
15:22 Speaker 03 No, do you know what? I'll take Charlie. Candles.
15:24 Speaker 02 Candles, always good.
15:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, I like a candle.
15:27 Speaker 02 When did you move to Devon?
15:29 Speaker 03 Um, just before Covid.
15:32 Speaker 02 Oh, wow. So you've.
15:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, we, we, we bought a place there in twenty thirteen, but then made it permanent in twenty nineteen.
15:41 Speaker 02 Do you like it? Prefer it?
15:42 Speaker 03 Yeah, we love it. It's just home now.
15:44 Speaker 02 Yeah.
15:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:45 Speaker 02 And do you surf there? Is it near enough?
15:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's about an hour to the south coast surf breaks and then an hour and twenty to the north coast.
15:54 Speaker 02 What's the earliest you've got up to catch a wave?
15:57 Speaker 03 Four.
15:59 Speaker 02 Have you on a WhatsApp group with all your mates and they're like?
16:01 Speaker 03 Surfline. We spend quite a lot of time on Surfline. Um, Surfline is like the app that gives you the wave predictions and stuff and the weather forecast.
16:09 Speaker 02 You've got a dry robe?
16:10 Speaker 03 I don't have a dry robe. I use those, I use those hoodie towels. That's a good present. I use those hoodie towels. Or just, uh, you can just use a bathrobe.
16:20 Speaker 02 I know. So how high are the waves that you're catching?
16:24 Speaker 03 I'm not a good surfer. I'm a keen surfer. I'm the same with lots of different hobbies. I'm not like particularly good at them, but I love.
16:30 Speaker 02 Is there an etiquette in Devon? Because there's definitely one in Malibu we learned.
16:34 Jessie Ware? Yes, we had, we had Minnie Driver on who's a kid.
16:37 Speaker 03 I've surfed with Minnie.
16:39 Jessie Ware? In Malibu?
16:39 Speaker 03 Yeah, I have.
16:40 Speaker 02 Your turn.
16:41 Speaker 03 No, I did. No, she gets, she gets angry. I've come across people who have come across her. Yeah, she doesn't mess around. Now Diplo is a rascal, though.
16:51 Jessie Ware? Yeah, this is what he said.
16:52 Speaker 03 He's an absolute rascal and I've surfed with him as well and he is a rascal. They all surf. Yeah, they all surf at this place. He pushes in and yeah, um, they all surf at this place.
17:03 Speaker 02 Near where she's got her.
17:04 Speaker 03 In Point Dume, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or Paradise Cove. And there are some amazing surf breaks around it. And Malibu's so busy, but you have to have a key to get to the beaches, which seems like a very strange thing.
17:14 Speaker 02 You have to have a key now.
17:15 Speaker 03 You have to have a key fob to get into the beaches.
17:17 Speaker 02 I wonder if you still have to now since all of the.
17:20 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, I don't know, actually. But, yeah, I lived, because I was born in California and so, and then I lived off and on in the States all my life, really. But, um, uh, I, I went and made a record in LA, a solo record in LA, and I lived in Topanga. And so we'd surfed.
17:36 Speaker 02 I love to panga.
17:37 Jessie Ware? I think that's when we hung out. You were on your own. I think your wife had just gone to make a film in New York.
17:43 Speaker 03 She's always doing that, yeah.
17:44 Jessie Ware? Yeah, and I think you had just done it with Blake.
17:47 Speaker 03 Yes, that's right.
17:47 Jessie Ware? I think you were just finishing it.
17:49 Speaker 03 That's right.
17:49 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
17:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, and so I was surfing every day. That was the best thing about it. But they get really crowded and they and it gets really, you know, surfers are supposed to be cool and chill and kind of there's very much not.
18:00 Speaker 02 Many isn't.
18:01 Speaker 03 It's like everyone gets into fights all the time.
18:03 Speaker 02 Fights?
18:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'll drop more sea bombs in the ocean than I have anywhere else.
18:07 Speaker 02 Oh.
18:08 Speaker 03 Well, it gets quite eggy.
18:09 Speaker 02 And oh my. Why is that? Because people won't take their turn?
18:12 Speaker 03 Yeah, when it's overcrowded, everyone's got, you know, in L A, everyone's got like an hour to surf whenever that period. And so if someone gets in the way of their wave, they get very upset. Because they're not in like Bali where they can just surf all day, you know.
18:23 Speaker 02 I do think Malibu is one of the most beautiful places on earth. It's really tragic.
18:28 Speaker 03 Do you love it?
18:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:29 Jessie Ware? I'm gonna try and deal with this state.
18:32 Speaker 03 Can I do anything to be helpful?
18:33 Jessie Ware? No, you can't. You can just answer the questions, Marcus.
18:36 Speaker 03 Okay, I'm very excited.
18:38 Speaker 02 I still, besides the roast chicken.
18:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, you don't know much about.
18:42 Speaker 02 About your dinners in the evening? Because you didn't eat roast chicken every night.
18:45 Speaker 03 No, we ate a lot of lasagna.
18:47 Speaker 02 Did your mum work?
18:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, my, both of my parents are vicars.
18:52 Speaker 02 They're both vicars?
18:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, and they work together all the way.
18:54 Speaker 02 So, but are they still working?
18:56 Speaker 03 They still, yeah, they still work, yeah, both of them. So they.
19:00 Speaker 02 I, look, I'm Jewish, so, um, we're Jewish, so I don't know anything about the Church of England, really.
19:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:07 Speaker 02 So did you have a parish and did you live in?
19:09 Speaker 03 So they were in the Church of England, then they left the Church of England, moved to California.
19:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:13 Speaker 03 Joined a church called the Vineyard Church.
19:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:16 Speaker 03 Which is kind of pretty similar to a bunch of the Church of England churches around here. And then they came over here and planted the first Vineyard Church in our front room in Wimbledon.
19:27 Speaker 02 How amazing.
19:28 Speaker 03 A lot of it was based out of our house. So she would entertain like three nights a week. So we'd be have people around all the time. And she'd always cook and she'd make appetizers and then lots of stews and things that are easy for twenty people.
19:42 Speaker 02 But when you were little, did they have their own church and then they, um, you had the house attached to the church?
19:50 Speaker 03 No, our, our house was the church to start with. Yeah.
19:53 Speaker 02 Oh, your house was always the church?
19:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, when, so when I was six months old, they came back from California and they started the church literally off that ground with like. Us and two other people. And then it grew and grew and grew and then they planted a bunch of others. Yeah, it's really cool. So we just have people around.
20:10 Speaker 02 So religion's always been a huge part of your life. Yeah, and you're still.
20:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:15 Speaker 02 You're still religious.
20:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:17 Speaker 02 And does that mean all your children are baptized?
20:22 Speaker 03 No, I only got baptized a few years ago.
20:25 Speaker 02 Really?
20:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, because our, our church didn't do infant baptism.
20:31 Speaker 02 Okay.
20:32 Speaker 03 They left it to be, they dedicate kids and then they'd um in a kind of ceremony, but then they'd leave it up to the kids as they grew up.
20:39 Speaker 02 Okay, that's, that's the thing, yeah.
20:42 Speaker 03 Um, so no, yeah.
20:44 Speaker 02 And does food feature?
20:46 Speaker 03 Massively.
20:46 Speaker 02 In the vineyard church?
20:47 Speaker 03 Yeah massively. They used to do donuts at half time.
20:51 Speaker 02 Funny, that keep the kids interested.
20:53 Speaker 03 Hospitality was a huge part of the whole concept of church. Because a lot of it was based on sort of the early church models of people gathering and sharing things and, you know, a bit more DIY than the higher church stuff, which we loved and had respect for and had friends in. But this was a different kind of way of doing it.
21:13 Speaker 02 And is your wife part of that church now as well?
21:17 Speaker 03 No, she grew up in a Catholic church.
21:20 Speaker 02 Okay, so is she Catholic?
21:22 Speaker 03 Hmm. I don't know, what's she call herself now? We haven't kind of fiddled with names for a while.
21:28 Speaker 02 Okay.
21:30 Speaker 03 But we both grew up with faith backgrounds.
21:32 Speaker 02 Okay.
21:33 Speaker 03 And um both still have a faith, although it's probably quite different to what we grew up with. And yeah, I mean, for me, growing up, it was a privilege because we're just surrounded by people all the time. And people who were trying to be kind, mostly.
21:50 Speaker 02 That's good.
21:51 Speaker 03 With some rotters along the way, but mostly people who are trying to figure out how to be kinder. That's why I love religious communities.
21:58 Speaker 02 So the vineyard church, where did that come from?
22:01 Speaker 03 California.
22:02 Speaker 02 Wine was, what, was wine involved?
22:05 Speaker 03 Yeah, I guess there's lots of stuff in the Bible about wine.
22:08 Speaker 02 Yeah.
22:09 Speaker 03 I don't actually know where it comes from.
22:10 Speaker 02 Is Harvest Festival a big thing still? Not at all?
22:13 Speaker 03 No, well, not for us, it wasn't.
22:15 Speaker 02 Okay.
22:16 Speaker 03 But they'd have like groups three times a week.
22:18 Speaker 02 Okay, so it's not like a regular church service?
22:20 Speaker 03 And then Sunday services as well, yeah. Started in a local school, well, it started in our house, then it went to a local school. And was in a school hall for a long time, basically.
22:30 Speaker 02 So how big would the congregation be?
22:33 Speaker 03 Couple of hundred.
22:34 Speaker 02 Oh, it's quite big.
22:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. And then they planted out of that church, they planted a hundred different churches around the country.
22:40 Speaker 02 Fantastic.
22:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's cool. And then they took over the more international stuff.
22:44 Speaker 02 So are they head of that, the vineyard church in Britain?
22:47 Speaker 03 In the world.
22:48 Speaker 02 In the world?
22:49 Speaker 03 They're like, well, they're like the UN Secretary General for the vineyard church, yeah.
22:54 Speaker 02 So do they travel around the world?
22:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, they do loads of travelling still.
22:58 Speaker 02 Yeah.
22:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, they're amazing people.
23:00 Speaker 02 God, they sound amazing.
23:01 Speaker 03 They're really cool. You'd like my mum. You and my mum would get on very well.
23:04 Speaker 02 Do you think?
23:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, do you? Cut from the same clock, I think.
23:53 Jessie Ware? Right, we have the food. It's beef tagliata. And then this is a mob kitchen. Do you have like?
23:59 Speaker 03 Yes, yes.
24:00 Jessie Ware? The app?
24:01 Speaker 03 No, not the app.
24:02 Jessie Ware? Oh, the app's really good, though.
24:03 Speaker 03 Oh, is it?
24:04 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
24:05 Speaker 03 No, I haven't done that.
24:06 Jessie Ware? It's really good for like, they do loads of like protein packed things, they do lots of-
24:10 Speaker 03 Eat like you give a fuck. Isn't that the tagline?
24:12 Jessie Ware? Is it? I don't, I think they've changed that now. But anyway, help yourself. But this is a mob kitchen. It's kind of whipped-
24:21 Speaker 02 No, darling, you start.
24:22 Jessie Ware? Whipped pea artichoke, something or other with new potatoes, sesame, asparagus and feta. So please help yourself.
24:32 Speaker 03 This is, this just looks amazing. Wait, what's going on here? This is some crushed, I thought it was potato salad, but no, no.
24:37 Jessie Ware? Potato salad, but it's with-
24:38 Speaker 03 But there's lots going on down here.
24:40 Jessie Ware? Yes, there's like a kind of puree pea artichoke thing. It's pretty healthy.
24:45 Speaker 03 Really healthy.
24:46 Jessie Ware? I need to know, you're married to a brilliant actress.
24:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:50 Jessie Ware? Actor, Carey Mulligan.
24:52 Speaker 03 Yes.
24:52 Speaker 02 You must be so proud of her.
24:54 Speaker 03 I'm very proud of her. Yeah, I am.
24:57 Jessie Ware? She is remarkable.
24:58 Speaker 03 She's seriously.
24:59 Jessie Ware? I bet she does, she's wonderful.
25:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, she's. She's amazing.
25:04 Jessie Ware? How are you with doing like, you know, when she gets a script? I mean, I'm sure she doesn't have to audition for anything anymore because she's just fantastic and probably people are knocking at the door trying to, you know. But do you ever have to do, you know, the back and forth for her to learn her lines?
25:20 Speaker 03 The Notting Hill thing?
25:21 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
25:21 Speaker 03 We do that far less than I was anticipating when I got together with an actress.
25:25 Jessie Ware? Cosplay.
25:27 Speaker 03 No, it's not so much that.
25:28 Jessie Ware? Bradley Cooper. Actually, I don't know if you'd want to be maestro, would you? Because he wasn't very kind to, well.
25:33 Speaker 03 Wasn't very kind.
25:34 Jessie Ware? Used her bit.
25:35 Speaker 03 No, I did, I, I, we, I, early on we did a bit, but, um, no, she tends to learn her lines like quite late.
25:44 Jessie Ware? Oh, she's one of them.
25:45 Speaker 03 She's really, I mean, I can't.
25:47 Jessie Ware? Oh, she's a crammer.
25:48 Speaker 03 She can remember. Yeah, she's a crammer, yeah. But she's really excellent at her job.
25:53 Jessie Ware? She's, she is.
25:55 Speaker 03 And I, I remember that every time, because I didn't watch, I didn't watch a couple of her films in a row. I can't remember why. But like she said in the dig, I never saw.
26:03 Jessie Ware? I loved it.
26:05 Speaker 03 Yeah, and then I felt bad.
26:07 Jessie Ware? Todd, and you didn't see it or you had?
26:08 Speaker 03 No, but I did see one. The play that she'd just done before that, I watched 10 times. So I was like.
26:13 Jessie Ware? I saw it. Was that when she cooked spag bol on stage?
26:15 Speaker 03 Yes.
26:16 Jessie Ware? That was unbelievable.
26:17 Speaker 03 That was skylight. That was really impressive.
26:19 Jessie Ware? That was flown away.
26:19 Speaker 03 And she makes a mean spag bol. She went to a whole like cooking lesson to learn how to make fast, delicious spag bol. Because she has to eat it every night as well.
26:27 Jessie Ware? She was chopping that shit on stage with, it was Bill Nighy.
26:30 Speaker 03 Yeah.
26:31 Jessie Ware? It was brilliant, that play.
26:32 Speaker 03 What was the name of the film? Skylight was the play. Oh, yeah.
26:34 Jessie Ware? Was it at the National?
26:35 Speaker 03 At the National.
26:36 Jessie Ware? It was fantastic. And that spag bol looked wicked. So she's really good at spag bol.
26:42 Speaker 03 And she did that thing with the onion where you can.
26:44 Jessie Ware? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:45 Speaker 03 Chop it really fast.
26:46 Jessie Ware? And I was just stressed out for her because I was like, she's got to say her lines. She's looking at her dad.
26:50 Speaker 03 I know, it was, it was multitasking.
26:52 Jessie Ware? It was amazing. So, Last Supper, starter, main, put, drink of choice.
27:01 Speaker 03 I should have prepped this, shouldn't I?
27:02 Jessie Ware? Yeah, you had a long journey.
27:04 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:04 Speaker 02 But I think he knows what he wants.
27:07 Speaker 03 The start is gonna be, my mum makes at Christmas mushroom puffs.
27:12 Speaker 02 Mmm.
27:13 Speaker 03 Which is quite seventies, I think.
27:14 Speaker 02 Like Vol Evan?
27:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, sorts of.
27:17 Speaker 02 The kind of creamy mushroom.
27:19 Speaker 03 Smith.
27:20 Speaker 02 Okay.
27:21 Speaker 03 But it's that mushroomy, you know, chopped up mushrooms and charrots.
27:24 Speaker 02 Yeah, with a creamy sauce, yeah.
27:26 Speaker 03 But and then and then fold it over in in puff pastry. Unbelievable.
27:32 Speaker 02 Does she put any herbs in, like tarragon?
27:34 Speaker 03 Time.
27:35 Speaker 02 Time?
27:35 Speaker 03 And maybe tarragon, yeah.
27:36 Jessie Ware? Yum.
27:38 Speaker 03 They're really good, and those I associate with Christmas.
27:40 Jessie Ware? Does that be your starter?
27:42 Speaker 03 That'd be my starter, and then beef wellington, because I just love pastry.
27:47 Jessie Ware? It's foraging season now, isn't it? Like mushroom foraging season. Will you be doing that?
27:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, we've got some field mushrooms that are out at the moment.
27:52 Jessie Ware? Are they delicious?
27:54 Speaker 02 Do you trust your knowledge on mushrooms?
27:56 Speaker 03 I'm a bit nervous about that. Apparently you can't get them from the woods. They have to be from the field, and they can't have yellow ones.
28:01 Speaker 02 I bought some mushroom thick book, but I still wouldn't eat it.
28:04 Jessie Ware? He'd prefer to take the other ones that are.
28:07 Speaker 03 It's unclear to me which ones will kill you and which ones will make you high, and which ones taste nice on toast.
28:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, just be careful.
28:13 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
28:14 Speaker 03 Yeah, it does feel like a roll of the dice. That's quite a high stakes game. But, um.
28:18 Speaker 02 Exciting, though.
28:20 Jessie Ware? No, well, could kill you, so, yeah.
28:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
28:23 Jessie Ware? So, okay, we've got a beef wellington sides. I'm thinking, are they, what do you have as a side?
28:28 Speaker 03 You don't need much with a beef wellington. It's almost a complete meal on its own, which means that you could do a double portion. So maybe it's just a double portion of beef wellington.
28:35 Jessie Ware? Yeah, gorgeous.
28:37 Speaker 03 Let's straight to that.
28:37 Speaker 02 No potatoes?
28:39 Speaker 03 We've got the pastry.
28:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
28:41 Speaker 03 You've got vegetables and mushrooms.
28:42 Speaker 02 Oh, okay. So we're not gonna go cream spinach? No, we're not gonna do any of that?
28:47 Speaker 03 I mean, I'll take it.
28:47 Jessie Ware? Yeah, fine, okay.
28:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, lovely.
28:49 Speaker 02 Um, a salad?
28:51 Speaker 03 No, no, not my last meal.
28:52 Jessie Ware? He's had enough of them.
28:53 Speaker 02 Okay, with his wife, I know, yeah. Okay, pudding.
28:57 Speaker 03 Beef wellington. Um, I will always, if I'm in a restaurant, I will always order, if they have it on the menu, a chocolate fondant.
29:06 Jessie Ware? If you'd have told us, I'd have done one. Do you remember I did them?
29:09 Speaker 03 I just, I like, I like being able to compare and contrast.
29:12 Jessie Ware? Where's your best chocolate fondant?
29:14 Speaker 03 I think it was in my house growing up.
29:17 Jessie Ware? Your mum made those as well.
29:19 Speaker 03 Ninety six.
29:20 Jessie Ware? Your mum's a god.
29:22 Speaker 03 And it was like in those trays with the wa- hot water in it.
29:25 Jessie Ware? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Banbury.
29:26 Speaker 03 Banbury. And um, I don't think, and then that company goo.
29:32 Jessie Ware? They're pretty good, they're good.
29:33 Speaker 03 Pretty good.
29:34 Jessie Ware? Yeah, they're really good.
29:35 Speaker 03 Pretty good and they came in the little ramekins.
29:37 Jessie Ware? Yeah, we all had all the glass ramekins, yeah.
29:39 Speaker 03 But I think the be- the best one was my mum's one.
29:42 Jessie Ware? Oh, that's lovely. And what do you have with it?
29:44 Speaker 03 Everything. I think double cream and ice cream.
29:47 Jessie Ware? Gorgeous. That's what Jessie likes, cream with ice cream. What's your ice cream of choice?
29:52 Speaker 03 Um.
29:52 Jessie Ware? You had a bit of an addiction to ice cream, didn't you? You kind of replaced drinking with ice cream.
29:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, I did, yeah. I uh, went big on ice cream for a while.
30:00 Jessie Ware? I love ice cream.
30:01 Speaker 03 Cause I wasn't losing weight and I was like. Well, I stopped drinking, so obviously I should have.
30:06 Jessie Ware? You replaced the sugar with the sugar. What was your ice cream of choice? Anything or?
30:11 Speaker 03 Haagen Dazs, um, uh, Pralines and Cream.
30:14 Jessie Ware? My favourite.
30:15 Speaker 03 I don't think you can beat it.
30:16 Jessie Ware? Do you, can you, can you return back to it and still get joy from it, like?
30:20 Speaker 03 I haven't for a while, actually.
30:22 Jessie Ware? Right.
30:22 Speaker 03 I had a couple of ice creams in, on holiday in Devon last month that were pretty great.
30:28 Jessie Ware? While mum is sorting out the food, you have a new Mumford album coming out next year.
30:36 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
30:36 Jessie Ware? But you're touring, how much music are you touring of the new stuff now? And you also have a beautiful single with Hosea.
30:43 Speaker 03 Yes.
30:44 Jessie Ware? Is he lovely?
30:45 Speaker 03 He's amazing. He's unbelievably tall.
30:48 Jessie Ware? I thought you were gonna say talented, but yeah.
30:49 Speaker 03 No, no, no. First things first. The guy is so tall.
30:54 Jessie Ware? You're pretty tall.
30:55 Speaker 03 He's, I know, but he's like six.
30:56 Jessie Ware? He's like a basketball player.
30:58 Speaker 03 Yeah. He's absolutely massive. So because he's kind.
31:01 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
31:02 Speaker 03 You just feel like he's like a big walking.
31:05 Jessie Ware? How did you meet each other?
31:07 Speaker 03 We met a really long time ago. I mean, he came on tour with us. We he played.
31:13 Jessie Ware? Was that after Take Me to Church, kind of?
31:15 Speaker 03 Yes. We met him around then, early on.
31:18 Jessie Ware? Your voices suit each other, so it's beautiful.
31:21 Speaker 03 I mean, he's one of my favourite people to sing with in the world and is just monstrously talented, but monstrously kind. I did his podcast. He did like a kind of compassion focused podcast for a while. And I went on that to talk about War Child and Grenfell. And we've just been mates ever since, really. I mean, we don't see each other huge amount because he's very busy.
31:43 Jessie Ware? So is that why you had to do a song together?
31:45 Speaker 03 Um, as an excuse.
31:46 Jessie Ware? To hang out. Has he come on the, has he come on stage yet?
31:49 Speaker 03 We had him out in soundcheck when we were in the States before the song came out. And we got to sing it together on stage there.
31:56 Jessie Ware? So maybe it's it's prepped. The live, the live performance is prepped.
32:00 Speaker 03 And he played with us when he played with us.
32:01 Jessie Ware? He could pop up at any time.
32:02 Speaker 03 He played with us last time we did Austin City Limits, he came up.
32:04 Jessie Ware? A lot of Austin City Limits.
32:06 Speaker 03 Great one. That's a really, that's one.
32:08 Jessie Ware? That's a goodie.
32:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's a really good one. Um, but yeah, I just love him to bits. He's amazing.
32:14 Jessie Ware? So how does it feel? What what album are you on now for Mumford?
32:19 Speaker 03 That's a great question. I think it's number six. Yeah, we put five out. Earlier this year and then six is coming beginning of next year. So it's two within a calendar year, which we've never done before. Which actually I'm really excited about. We just went through this period of time where we just wrote loads of songs, yeah. We met together in January twenty three and said like, let's just try and write as many songs as we can. And and move around the world until we find the songs and then just keep going until we find more. So we. We started in L A, then we went to um Devon and Dave Cobb came along with us, who produced Rushmere. Then we went to Nashville with him for a while in Savannah, Georgia. Then we went to Paris and New York with Pharrell.
33:04 Speaker 03 And just started writing songs together, which one of the songs we put out called Good People. And he really like breathed inspiration into me personally.
33:14 Speaker 03 Um. In a massive way. It was like a complete breath of fresh air. He's have you worked with him?
33:19 Jessie Ware? No.
33:20 Speaker 03 He's like.
33:20 Jessie Ware? And I was obsessed with N E R D.
33:22 Speaker 03 Yeah, he's just so imaginative and endlessly creative, but also like thrives when he sees other people thriving. You know, like that's when I think he's the best version of himself, when he's watching other people like shine and come out of their skins. He's just unbelievably generous, creative. And so, and he sort of gave me a few pep talks where he was like, look, you know, don't be afraid of writing what you really think, what you really feel, and writing loads as well. It's like you've got more capacity in you than you're allowing yourself.
33:53 Jessie Ware? Was there a conversation that happened that you talked about your fear then?
33:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was being quite, I mean, it was kind of like therapy sessions that turned into songs. He's like, let's just talk before we start writing. Oh, my lord.
34:06 Jessie Ware? Well, this is quite seasonal.
34:08 Speaker 03 I mean, I get overwhelmingly tempted to just be like.
34:12 Jessie Ware? Have you, have you ever done a, a cake smash?
34:15 Speaker 03 Yes.
34:16 Jessie Ware? And did it end horribly rough?
34:18 Speaker 03 No. I mean, it did what Bugsy Malone would want it to do. So it was great.
34:22 Jessie Ware? Okay, great.
34:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
34:23 Jessie Ware? When did you do your last cake smash?
34:25 Speaker 03 It's been a good ten years.
34:26 Jessie Ware? Okay, very fine.
34:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
34:27 Jessie Ware? Would you ever do it to one of your children?
34:29 Speaker 03 Yes.
34:30 Jessie Ware? Which one?
34:31 Speaker 03 We have a forfeit scheme rather than a punishment scheme in our house where like.
34:34 Jessie Ware? This sounds great.
34:35 Speaker 03 Well, you know, if you tell tales, you have to do five star jumps.
34:40 Jessie Ware? Snitches get snitches, yeah?
34:41 Speaker 03 Normally, like the person being told tales on also has to do five star jumps for the thing that they did. Like, he punched me. Okay, give me five star jumps for telling tales. But also, if you punched her, you've got to do five.
34:53 Jessie Ware? So hon, how would, I, I'm interested in this parenting technique because kids are always telling tales. Um. Would you prefer them to just sort it out themselves then?
35:03 Speaker 03 Yeah, and I think this encourages them to actually, because most of the time they don't, they know that there's a forfeit. Not a punishment, but a forfeit included if they do it. It makes them think twice.
35:13 Jessie Ware? I'm gonna, Marcus, maybe you should start like a parenting podcast.
35:16 Speaker 03 We have a forfeit if you leave your liquids in your bags at the airport. It's that, you know, I think pisses me off more than that.
35:22 Jessie Ware? Yeah, but you allow them now.
35:23 Speaker 03 Oh.
35:24 Jessie Ware? In some airports.
35:24 Speaker 03 Well, then maybe that changes the game.
35:26 Jessie Ware? But you never know. Are you like that?
35:28 Speaker 03 Oh, there's a really good one. We thought of a good one with, if you um are bragging, you have to instantly give fifty percent of whatever it is you're bragging about to the person you're bragging to.
35:37 Jessie Ware? So what's an example?
35:38 Speaker 03 So I've got ten M and M's and I'm like, heh heh. Straight away, yeah.
35:42 Jessie Ware? And do you.
35:43 Speaker 03 Five away.
35:43 Jessie Ware? And that absolutely has to happen.
35:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a consequence.
35:46 Speaker 02 Darling, would you like some?
35:47 Speaker 03 Yeah, absolutely, love some, thanks.
35:49 Speaker 02 It's, um.
35:50 Speaker 03 Looks phenomenal.
35:51 Speaker 02 Hazel nut and brown sugar pavlova with quince.
35:55 Speaker 03 Oh, you're cultured.
35:58 Jessie Ware? Do you have quinces at the moment on the farm?
36:00 Speaker 03 No, we've got apples and pears and blackberries still.
36:03 Jessie Ware? Gorgeous.
36:04 Speaker 03 Blackberries felt like we've had them forever.
36:06 Jessie Ware? You're a bit done with them.
36:07 Speaker 03 Well, no, it's a real, it's an activity.
36:11 Jessie Ware? Oh, yeah, that is true.
36:13 Speaker 03 Um, can I have half that amount, please?
36:15 Jessie Ware? Yeah, I'll have the other half, actually. It's going on tour, Mum, come on, he's got to be in like this.
36:21 Speaker 03 So much, look at that, that's amazing, thank you.
36:23 Jessie Ware? I'm getting another extra quince, though, I feel like.
36:26 Speaker 03 Quinces are quite big, are they? What's a quince related to? Is it like a crab apple?
36:30 Speaker 02 Like a pear crab apple.
36:32 Speaker 03 Okay.
36:33 Jessie Ware? Um, so, okay, so you've got the bragging, I'm gonna try this and I'm gonna let you know. I'm gonna get your number and I'm gonna let you know how it goes.
36:40 Speaker 03 I'm trying to think what else.
36:41 Jessie Ware? Bragging, telltells.
36:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, if you, um, ask where something is.
36:48 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
36:49 Speaker 03 And I find it within 10 seconds, you've got to give me 10 star jumps.
36:52 Jessie Ware? So it's all star jumps?
36:54 Speaker 03 Or press ups.
36:55 Jessie Ware? Wow.
36:55 Speaker 03 Changes, yeah. Yeah.
36:57 Jessie Ware? This is a genius idea, dude.
36:59 Speaker 03 Now, my wife and I do it with, with each other as well. Like, if I'm like, babe, where's my phone? And she's like, if I, and she walks in and it's on the side where I'm standing, it's 10, it's 10 press ups.
37:09 Jessie Ware? How's your relationship with having?
37:11 Speaker 03 Better than ever.
37:12 Jessie Ware? And how are your star jumps?
37:13 Speaker 03 Better than, better than ever, they're really good, they're really strong now.
37:16 Jessie Ware? This is, this is, I'm gonna, I'm gonna try this.
37:20 Speaker 03 Oh, my lord. That is unbelievable.
37:23 Jessie Ware? Mmm.
37:24 Speaker 03 That is unbelievable.
37:25 Jessie Ware? Mum.
37:26 Speaker 03 Is this one of those where you had it somewhere and were like?
37:28 Speaker 02 No.
37:29 Speaker 03 I wanna, did you make it up?
37:30 Jessie Ware? Mum.
37:31 Speaker 02 No, I didn't make it.
37:31 Jessie Ware? Mum, this is good. Also, the meringue is really good and the hazelnuts are amazing with it.
37:36 Speaker 03 The quince is very sweet. I associate quinces with being a bit bitter, am I wrong?
37:43 Jessie Ware? I don't know enough about quince.
37:44 Speaker 03 It's unbelievable.
37:45 Jessie Ware? Let's talk about the music, let's talk about all these different places that you wrote and were inspired. This sounds insane.
37:51 Speaker 03 Well, actually Noel Gallagher talks about songs like the, everyone knows they fall from the sky, but you've got to have your hands out ready to catch them, otherwise fucking Bono or Chris Martin are gonna catch them.
38:02 Speaker 03 So I like that, cause I once, I saw, I saw Gatnoll actually a few years ago at a bar and we were off the road for a minute and I was just like taking him in it and he was like, what are you up to? I said, I'm just taking a minute, I'm knackered, you know, been touring, like, you know how it is. He's like, no, sorry mate, I don't. Are you a songwriter? I was like, yes. He was like, well, then you should be writing songs every day. Cause it's a muscle that will go into our fear unless you're writing.
38:24 Speaker 02 Jesse.
38:25 Speaker 03 And he was really right, actually. So then, so then in January twenty three, when the band got back together, I told them the whole Gallagher thought. And um, and we did, we started just writing every day, like whatever, whatever came out, didn't care about the quality, just cared about the quantity. And we just started writing and writing, writing, writing. And then over the course of a couple of years, we had, you know, whilst we were mixing Rushmere, Aaron Dessner was in the studio next door.
38:50 Speaker 02 Love him.
38:50 Speaker 03 Working with Gracie Abrams. And we were just all there in this electric lady in New York, sharing this kind of creative space. Aaron came in and was like, this is what I've been doing, something that he and Justin Vernon had been working up. And we heard it and instantly we're like, we've got to write the lyrics to this one. So we started with that. And then we wrote another and another. And the same week we were mixing, we were like four songs on to the next record.
39:15 Speaker 02 That's so exciting.
39:16 Speaker 03 Having done all this work with Pharrell as well. So we, we just kept rolling and then, so I, it's been a really prolific period for the band and I'm really excited. This is the most proud of anything we've ever, that I am of anything we've ever done here.
39:31 Speaker 02 Did you need that time away to do the solo record? Did you need to scratch that itch to be able to then kind of?
39:37 Speaker 03 I think so.
39:38 Speaker 02 Get back together and.
39:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, you know, Covid was weird and then, yeah, I did. I had this kind of urge to go off and make something a bit weirder.
39:47 Speaker 02 And it was beautiful. Your solo record was beautiful.
39:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, I loved it, but then come back home, which is the band. And um, and so we really just attacked it since then. And we're like, forced to think like, what really are we as a band and what makes us?
40:02 Speaker 02 Do you collaborate when you're writing songs for TV shows like Daisy Jones? So.
40:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, I did. I did that with Blake. Well, a bunch actually, a bunch of his friends as well.
40:11 Speaker 02 Did you meet Riley Keir?
40:13 Speaker 03 We did meet her, yeah.
40:14 Speaker 02 Was she wonderful?
40:15 Speaker 03 She's amazing.
40:16 Speaker 02 Yeah, and she sang your song.
40:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, she's an amazing like producer and director and writer and all those things as well. She's really kind of.
40:23 Speaker 02 And of course Reece produced it, Daisy Jones.
40:26 Speaker 03 She did, yeah. That was Hello Sunshine, wasn't it?
40:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
40:29 Speaker 03 Um, yeah, that was really collaborative. The Ted Lasso thing that I did was really collaborative. Um, with an amazing composer called Tom Howe, who's a real hero. And yeah, I love writing songs with other people.
40:42 Jessie Ware? How exciting.
40:45 Jessie Ware? Hint me. Oh, my God. Love to write with you.
40:48 Speaker 03 I have, I, I, I never did it to start with in the band. I never did it. And then I've started doing it more recently and I really love it. It's fun.
40:56 Jessie Ware? So, okay, have you got another album in the tank now that you've like, have you been, you, will you write on tour or do you feel like that's just pressure?
41:02 Speaker 03 I find it hard to write on tour, but I'm, I'm being more disciplined about carving out time to write.
41:07 Jessie Ware? Because Noel Gallagher said that to you.
41:09 Speaker 03 Because I've got to have my hands up.
41:10 Jessie Ware? Better get me on Joanna tonight.
41:13 Speaker 03 You write on the piano?
41:14 Jessie Ware? No, I don't fucking write on the piano. No, I go.
41:18 Speaker 03 See you in the shower.
41:20 Jessie Ware? No, I can't. You know what? I had a funny one on this record where, and it doesn't happen to me that much because I don't play any instruments. And I hate myself for that. And that's why my daughter's playing three instruments, so she can play for me. But yeah, no, I go in the studio and I collaborate and I am gonna learn the piano. I'm gonna relearn the piano. And I'm gonna sit, but I'll think of things like on a bike. I always find it when I'm riding on a bike.
41:44 Speaker 03 Movement, I find movement is helpful, yeah.
41:46 Jessie Ware? Swimming.
41:46 Speaker 03 Trains.
41:47 Jessie Ware? Trains, sky, the sky.
41:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
41:50 Jessie Ware? Maybe it's because I've had a few glasses of wine, but I, there's something, you've got the space.
41:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, and I find like kinetic energy often, like first poems I ever write, we're on a train.
42:00 Speaker 02 So, excuse me, when are you collaborating?
42:02 Jessie Ware? Oh, we're, we're, we're about to actually make a, we're gonna go on it, we're gonna go holiday, aren't we?
42:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly, yeah, with no children.
42:08 Jessie Ware? Now I understand why you went to all these places to, to work.
42:12 Speaker 02 Jessie, Mumford and Sister.
42:14 Speaker 03 There we go, that's really sweet.
42:15 Jessie Ware? Mumford and Mums.
42:17 Speaker 03 That's good. Um, I, Aaron Dessner was really inspiring to me on this because I watched, you know, he's been a friend for a long time. He helped us with the demos for our third record. And then No National remained one of my favorite bands ever. And then he started producing more and more, including all those Taylor Swift records with Jack Antonoff.
42:39 Jessie Ware? Folklore is one of our faves.
42:40 Speaker 03 It's amazing.
42:41 Jessie Ware? Beautiful.
42:42 Speaker 03 And just watching his journey as a collaborator and as a producer has been really inspiring to me. So then.
42:48 Jessie Ware? So you're gonna start producing then?
42:50 Speaker 03 I have done a little bit. I've just done something with Maisy Peters, which is really fun. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say that.
42:56 Speaker 02 Have you got a studio down on the farm?
42:58 Speaker 03 Yeah. In fact, Erin called me during Covid, at the end of Covid, when it was legal, and said, I've got someone I'm working with that needs a studio in the UK. Do you know this story?
43:07 Jessie Ware? No.
43:07 Speaker 03 And I was like, cool. Well, if it's one of your homies, then I'm sure it'd be fine. Like, what is it, Beyonce or something? And he goes, because he was looking for a discreet studio.
43:16 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
43:16 Speaker 03 And I was like, I don't think there really are any.
43:18 Jessie Ware? No, because everyone's interested in this.
43:20 Speaker 03 And he was like, well, can they come and use yours? And I said, well, you know. And it was Taylor Swift.
43:26 Jessie Ware? Wow.
43:27 Speaker 03 And she came down right at the end of Covid
43:32 Speaker 03 and was the most phenomenal house guest, burnt a lot of vegetables for her. And she brought a killer candle, actually.
43:40 Jessie Ware? I bet she bloody did.
43:41 Speaker 03 She did. Her camp game was excellent. And she finished the second half of Evermore in our studio.
43:49 Jessie Ware? Wow.
43:50 Speaker 03 She's really sweet. And then she asked me to sing a one, and I said, yes.
43:53 Jessie Ware? So it's got that Devon.
43:55 Speaker 03 It's got a bit of that wholesome, that.
43:56 Speaker 02 Devon Creole, yeah.
43:58 Speaker 03 Um, but it's very sweet.
44:00 Jessie Ware? So let's talk, you're touring in the UK. Not next year, this is in, like, the UK run starts in December.
44:08 Speaker 02 December, we're going.
44:09 Jessie Ware? But you've already done the US, you've already done the US leg.
44:11 Speaker 03 She has quite an invite, yeah.
44:13 Jessie Ware? What, I mean, this is obviously a national, everyone can listen to this podcast, but what's the London date? Just so I know.
44:18 Speaker 03 I think it's the 10th and the 11th at the O2.
44:20 Jessie Ware? Okay, amazing. Two nights, two nights.
44:23 Speaker 03 Yeah. Yeah, we love that place.
44:26 Jessie Ware? I've always remembered, like, when you played Red Rocks and just thinking, like, that looks like.
44:30 Speaker 03 We did that again this summer.
44:31 Jessie Ware? Is it so beautiful?
44:32 Speaker 03 We basically said, like, what are our favourite venues?
44:34 Jessie Ware? That's what you can do when you're big time, baby.
44:37 Speaker 03 Like the gorge, Red Rocks, Hollywood Bowl.
44:41 Jessie Ware? Amazing.
44:41 Speaker 03 And O2 London is up there.
44:43 Jessie Ware? Is it?
44:43 Speaker 03 We love it, yeah. I really love that room. I think it's really good. It's a really good arena.
44:47 Jessie Ware? Before you go, nostalgic tastes that can transport you back somewhere, happy or sad.
44:53 Speaker 03 Nostalgic tastes that transport me back.
44:57 Speaker 02 Or one taste or smell.
45:00 Speaker 03 Hmm.
45:03 Speaker 03 Hmm. You're gonna think I'm a one-trick pony here, but roast chicken, just to.
45:08 Speaker 02 I love the smell of roast chicken.
45:10 Speaker 03 Very distinctive. Um.
45:12 Speaker 02 Louis Theroux said, "Can you eat cat food?"
45:16 Speaker 03 Oh, wait, yeah, that's pretty vivid as well.
45:18 Speaker 02 And it took him three minutes to come out with that. He sat there waiting.
45:23 Speaker 03 That's pretty good. Um, what else is nostalgic? Woodsmoke.
45:27 Speaker 02 Hmm.
45:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, my wife and I met when we were kids, uh, at Bible camp. And there were a lot of fires. And then when we re-met in our twenties and fell in love, it was around a fire as well. And the first email she wrote me was, "I stink of woodsmoke." So woodsmoke is.
45:46 Speaker 02 Sweet. It's like her perfume.
45:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, I like it.
45:51 Jessie Ware? That's very romantic.
45:52 Speaker 03 So I like the time of the year where you are able to start lighting fires again. That's my jam.
45:56 Speaker 02 So does Sam. I love this.
45:58 Speaker 03 Whack on a jumper and light a fire. Let's go.
46:01 Jessie Ware? Uh, Marcus, you've been absolutely brilliant.
46:04 Speaker 03 I can't believe that food.
46:05 Speaker 02 Dream guest.
46:07 Speaker 03 Like, really, really good food.
46:09 Speaker 02 Delicious.
46:10 Speaker 03 Thank you. I know you do this a lot, but like, would you say that was a good meal-wise, that was a good one?
46:16 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was delicious. Yeah, I think that was a very good meal.
46:19 Jessie Ware? Thank you. Good luck with the tour. Good luck with the next record. And just like.
46:25 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
46:25 Speaker 02 Definitely.
46:26 Jessie Ware? Thanks, babe.
46:42 Jessie Ware? Well, Marcus Mumford may have the most twinkly eyes I think I've ever seen in my life.
46:47 Speaker 02 What a handsome man.
46:48 Jessie Ware? What a fabulous guest.
46:50 Speaker 02 Fabulous, fabulous.
46:51 Jessie Ware? Appreciate the food.
46:52 Speaker 02 Like the food.
46:53 Jessie Ware? Gave us all the answers.
46:54 Speaker 02 Information I've never heard about before.
46:57 Jessie Ware? He was lovely. He's, he's always been nice, though. Whenever I've met him, he's lovely. Down to earth, gorgeous, kind, honest, open book.
47:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
47:05 Jessie Ware? Big fan.
47:06 Speaker 02 Lovely, lovely man.
47:08 Jessie Ware? Can't wait to go and see him on tour.
47:09 Speaker 02 Invited me, Jessie, personally.
47:11 Jessie Ware? Absolutely.
47:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
47:12 Jessie Ware? Prizefighter, Mumford and Sons' sixth record is out in February twenty twenty six. And the new single with Josie, Rubber Band Man, is out now. It's gorgeous. I'm sure they're all sold out the tour, but.
47:26 Speaker 02 I should think so.
47:27 Jessie Ware? Yeah, I'd say. But if you can go and see them, go and see them. And I will be trying that parenting technique about star jumps for brag. The bragging thing, I'm wondering, I know which one of Ryan would be getting all the star jumps. Which one? Number two?
47:41 Speaker 02 Does he brag?
47:42 Jessie Ware? Oh, he's a big bragger. He makes himself, but I like that.
47:45 Speaker 02 But he deserves to brag. He's very clever.
47:48 Jessie Ware? Mum will be giving him more sweets.
47:49 Speaker 02 I'll give him pussy pigs for bragging achievement.
47:53 Jessie Ware? Pudding was gorge, Mum.
47:54 Speaker 02 Was it?
47:55 Jessie Ware? It was gorgeous. I ate all of it. It was lovely. And actually, I'm gonna go and have another.
47:59 Speaker 02 Are you a fan of Quince now?
48:01 Jessie Ware? To be honest, I'm not mad about the consistency of it. It's a bit between a pear and an apple.
48:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
48:07 Jessie Ware? More on the pear side.
48:09 Speaker 02 Kind of like the.
48:09 Jessie Ware? But I like the taste.
48:10 Speaker 02 Me too.
48:11 Jessie Ware? So, yeah, I'll eat the quince.
48:13 Speaker 02 It's a bit grainy, isn't it?
48:15 Jessie Ware? It's a bit grainy, yeah. But it was delicious. And with the hazelnuts, it was just gorge.
48:19 Speaker 02 Judith Quince's.
48:21 Jessie Ware? Judith Ishorovitz, you are the best. You are the Quince queen. Thank you for listening and we'll see you next week.
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