Pod Insights Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware Gary Oldman About this episode This week we’re joined by British acting royalty - in every sense of the word - it’s the newly knighted Sir Gary Oldman! Mum & I popped over to the Dorchester in London where Gary treated us to his (and Jackson Lamb’s) very favourite Chinese meal.
We heard all about his life in Palm Springs, his mum’s cooking, growing up in New Cross, playing Lee Harvey Oswald, living in an empty hotel, the future of Slow Horses and we hear an incredibly touching story of his friendship with the late John Hurt.
Thank you Gary for such a delightful afternoon, what a treat to eat and chat with such an icon. The new fifth series of Slow Horses is now streaming on Apple TV+.
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0:35 Jessie Ware? Hello and welcome to Table Mares. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with Lenny. And today, we're at the Dorchester.
0:42 Speaker 02 Darling, it's where I belong, darling.
0:45 Jessie Ware? The flowers in the reception.
0:47 Speaker 02 Gorgeous.
0:48 Jessie Ware? Wow.
0:49 Speaker 02 But it's so beautiful downstairs. It's so lovely and ornate and luxurious.
0:55 Jessie Ware? Well, we have a massive, massive British legend.
1:01 Speaker 02 Icon.
1:02 Jessie Ware? Recently, well, just yesterday.
1:04 Speaker 02 Just call him sir.
1:06 Jessie Ware? Yeah. Knighted by Prince William.
1:08 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:09 Jessie Ware? We have Sir Gary Oldman on the podcast.
1:12 Speaker 02 I couldn't be more thrilled.
1:15 Jessie Ware? I know, I'm excited.
1:16 Speaker 02 Jackson Lamb in the room.
1:18 Jessie Ware? We are also going to be having a Chinese takeaway.
1:23 Speaker 02 Which he's chosen.
1:24 Jessie Ware? Which is from Chinatown, which is downstairs in the Dorchester. Apparently Gary's favourite, Sir Gary's favourite. And he has actually chosen the menu. So we are very hands off today. All we had to do was turn up.
1:40 Speaker 02 And eat.
1:41 Jessie Ware? Yeah, perfect. How are you, Mum?
1:44 Speaker 02 I'm all right, darling. We had a bit of a party last night.
1:47 Jessie Ware? We did.
1:48 Speaker 02 To launch the new season.
1:50 Jessie Ware? Yeah, we did. It was fun.
1:51 Speaker 02 And it was great fun, yeah.
1:53 Jessie Ware? It was at Brunswick House and it was delicious food.
1:56 Speaker 02 Delicious, in a beautiful room.
1:58 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
1:59 Speaker 02 Decorated with beautiful flowers. We were drinking beautiful cocktails, which was even better.
2:04 Jessie Ware? Yeah, thank you, Moth. So Sir Gary Oldman is on to talk predominantly about slow horses. But this is somebody who is an Oscar winner, an award-winning director and writer.
2:17 Jessie Ware? Big United fan.
2:19 Speaker 02 Yep.
2:19 Jessie Ware? Resides in Palm Springs and.
2:21 Speaker 02 What, it's a strange place to end, from New Cross to Palm Springs.
2:26 Jessie Ware? Well, let's find out why he chose Palm Springs. Um, he's been in big blockbusters, independent films, he's been many a villain, but also quite a chameleon, you know, from playing Winston Churchill to Lee Harvey Oswald to.
2:42 Speaker 02 A spy.
2:43 Jessie Ware? Yeah, he's good at spies, isn't he? But yeah, we're here to talk about Slow Horses on Apple TV Plus.
2:47 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:48 Jessie Ware? The new season, it's season five.
2:50 Speaker 02 And it's fab.
2:51 Jessie Ware? It's really good. I've watched two episodes and, I mean, they really like pull you in straight away.
2:58 Speaker 02 How could you even bear to watch two? I have to pace mine.
3:02 Jessie Ware? I don't know.
3:02 Speaker 02 One a week because it's my best treat of the week.
3:05 Jessie Ware? But you've got such restraint.
3:07 Speaker 02 I just have to watch, because I want to watch it on my big screen.
3:11 Jessie Ware? Okay.
3:11 Speaker 02 Not on an iPad.
3:12 Jessie Ware? I know, uh, these are the, the, the first world problems that we lead as, as podcasters that we get, you know, to watch a lot of things early, but Lenny doesn't like watching it on her iPad.
3:23 Speaker 02 No, I like to sit in my sitting room, a glass of wine and enjoy every single second.
3:29 Jessie Ware? Well, I've watched two.
3:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:31 Jessie Ware? It's pacey, it's exciting, Shirley is still troubled. And, um, Jackson is still swearing.
3:41 Speaker 02 And Ho is still annoying.
3:42 Jessie Ware? Ho is annoying.
3:43 Speaker 02 Yeah. I wonder if he annoys Gary if he's a method actor.
3:48 Jessie Ware? Um, Sir Gary Oldman coming up on Table manners.
3:59 Jessie Ware? Sir Gary Oldman.
4:01 Speaker 03 Yes.
4:02 Jessie Ware? How does it feel?
4:03 Speaker 03 Wonderful.
4:04 Jessie Ware? Does it?
4:04 Speaker 02 Does it?
4:05 Speaker 03 It is, it's surreal.
4:07 Speaker 02 Which knee do you go down on?
4:09 Speaker 03 I went down on the, on the right knee.
4:11 Speaker 02 Do they tell you to do the right, not the left?
4:14 Speaker 03 Well, there's a kneeling stool, it's a special stool. And the handle to it is on, on the right hand side.
4:22 Jessie Ware? So it's obvious.
4:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, and they walk you through it.
4:26 Jessie Ware? Okay.
4:26 Speaker 03 What you do, where you come in and you stop. And you and you bow, but you acknowledge his royal highness.
4:35 Speaker 02 And was it just William there or was Kate there as well?
4:38 Speaker 03 That was just William.
4:39 Speaker 02 And he has a sword?
4:42 Speaker 03 He does have a sword.
4:42 Speaker 02 A big one, a big one?
4:44 Speaker 03 It's.
4:45 Speaker 02 Shush, Jesse.
4:46 Jessie Ware? What, sorry, did you want that phallic little joke, did you? Sorry.
4:51 Jessie Ware? Sorry, carry on, she can be more filthy, don't worry.
4:53 Speaker 02 No, don't.
4:54 Speaker 03 Um. Oh, he's, but it's a real magic trick that that that they have because there's a gentleman neck but just behind him. And um and he and he takes the sword and taps and then the sword, it's it's there and it's gone. It it's like a magician.
5:18 Jessie Ware? So we don't know if it was sharp?
5:20 Speaker 03 Don't think so.
5:20 Speaker 02 Taking your head off if they're nice, yeah.
5:22 Speaker 03 I think it's flat, like it's not with the edge.
5:27 Jessie Ware? Yeah, well.
5:28 Speaker 03 Um, and um, and of course, this now, I mean, this dates back to the Norman kings in the fourteenth century. So now I am, should there be an uprising?
5:42 Speaker 02 Are you going to fight for your country?
5:44 Speaker 03 I'm, I would have to gather up my sword and and protect the realm.
5:51 Jessie Ware? So you wouldn't just stay in Palm Springs?
5:54 Speaker 03 Well, I'd have to get on a plane, wouldn't I? I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't get on a horse. I'd have to get on an air, I'd have to get on an airplane, but I'd be, I'm there, I'm there. Give me, give me.
6:04 Speaker 02 Gary, when you're down, when you're on your knee, do they then say, what I think they say? Arise, Sir Gary Oldman? Did he say that? Bloody hell!
6:17 Speaker 03 No, it's, I tell you what it is, it's a, it's a, it's an.
6:23 Speaker 03 I was more emotional than I thought I would be.
6:26 Speaker 02 Why do you think?
6:28 Speaker 03 It's a big deal.
6:29 Speaker 02 It's a big deal for a new class boy.
6:31 Speaker 03 I mean, I mean, I mean, you've.
6:35 Speaker 03 The journey one has made.
6:37 Speaker 02 Um.
6:37 Speaker 03 From a kid from Deptford, you know. You know, the the Oscar's a big deal.
6:45 Speaker 02 Um.
6:46 Speaker 03 It's looked as the, you know, as the pinnacle of the the art.
6:53 Speaker 02 Um.
6:54 Speaker 03 But I'd been on stage before. I've been in plays, looking out at an audience. So you can imagine what it's like to win an Oscar. You you can put yourself there.
7:09 Speaker 02 Um.
7:10 Speaker 03 Because I've been on stage and I've looked out at people.
7:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
7:14 Speaker 03 This is, you can't rehearse for this. It's singular, unique. It is what it is, and it is what it is in the moment. So it's quite overwhelming.
7:29 Speaker 02 How did you celebrate?
7:31 Speaker 03 I celebrated with family and friends last night. Um.
7:37 Speaker 02 Did you eat anything good?
7:39 Speaker 03 Yeah, Italian. We went to um German Street. This um restaurant that I like called Franco's.
7:46 Speaker 02 Okay.
7:47 Speaker 03 We went to Franco's and it was my son Alfie and his wife Sarah. We hoped they'd bring the baby, so we had a high chair at the ready. But um she was she was at home with uh with with grandma, Lesley Manfield.
8:08 Speaker 02 Oh, gosh, that sounds so funny.
8:10 Speaker 03 Oh, she was looking after them.
8:12 Speaker 02 You don't imagine her as a grandma.
8:14 Speaker 03 Well, she's still my, I'm a grandad.
8:16 Speaker 02 I know you are.
8:17 Speaker 03 So um.
8:18 Speaker 02 Does it, what's your nickname as a grandpa? Are you grandad or?
8:22 Speaker 03 I think it's grandad.
8:23 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:24 Speaker 03 Um.
8:26 Speaker 03 But uh so Alfie and Sarah were there and some very, very close friends and my wife, Giselle, Lady Oldman now, should I say.
8:34 Speaker 02 Lady Oldman. Can she put that on her passport now?
8:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, you can have it on, yes, and it's Giselle comma Lady Oldman. That's how it's officially.
8:45 Speaker 02 Will you be changing your bank cards?
8:48 Speaker 03 No, I mean, I I think, I believe that Mister is done with from now on.
8:56 Speaker 02 Yes, you're Sir Gary.
8:59 Speaker 03 But, um.
9:03 Speaker 03 I have to say, to to describe it, it's, there's what they call the long walk, you know.
9:11 Speaker 02 Which palace was it in?
9:12 Speaker 03 It was at Windsor.
9:13 Speaker 02 Oh Windsor.
9:15 Speaker 03 So you drive up on the on the road, the long walk going and the castle appears. It was a beautiful day, sun shining, um people in the park with the dogs and. Um, and you go through a security check and then you park up and then you go, you walk through one arch and then, you know, it's all. It it's, no one does it. The pomp circumstance, all the pageantry and everything else, no one can do it like the British. It is absolutely, and you get there and every room, the ceilings are.
9:54 Speaker 03 Hand painted and impressive, there's a big wonderful, wonderful marble statue of Queen Victoria. There's a quintet playing Handel or Bach, all the people in attendance and the thing, it is, it is.
10:10 Speaker 02 Gorgeous.
10:11 Speaker 03 It's wonderful.
10:12 Speaker 02 Were you, were you nervous?
10:14 Speaker 03 I wasn't nervous.
10:15 Speaker 02 Right, okay.
10:16 Speaker 03 I was, um, just, when I got there, we had a brief conversation. I just, it took me a second to find my voice.
10:30 Speaker 03 Because I was, I was surprised by how emotional I was, and it's.
10:37 Speaker 02 Yeah.
10:38 Jessie Ware? Can we, can we take it back to Deptford? This is where you grew up.
10:42 Speaker 02 Which road were you on?
10:43 Jessie Ware? I'm in New Cross Gate.
10:45 Speaker 03 I was born in New Cross Gate. Where are you?
10:47 Jessie Ware? I'm Telegraph Hill.
10:48 Speaker 03 Oh Telegraph Hill. I was born at number ten Hatcham Park Road.
10:55 Jessie Ware? Oh my god, you're, you're so near me.
10:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:57 Jessie Ware? So you grew up there. Can you paint the picture for everyone? Who was round the dinner table and what was a really memorable dish from your childhood?
11:05 Speaker 03 Well, I think Sunday lunch must have been. My mother was very good with pastry.
11:11 Jessie Ware? Oh, yeah.
11:12 Speaker 03 She was, could, could really do a good, a good steak kidney pie. Good, good apple pie, not so good with um Italian cuisine. Which was um spaghetti and um tomato sauce. And some mince meat was her version of a bolognese.
11:37 Jessie Ware? Did you eat it, though?
11:38 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah. But just looking back at now, at the time, but looking back and thinking. God, that was a version of spaghetti bolognese. But a pretty good Sunday lunch. I only really remember it, it, me, my mum around the table. My dad was gone at the time I was seven.
12:03 Jessie Ware? Hmm.
12:03 Speaker 03 And my sisters, who are, the elder Maureen, I think, is thirteen years older than me. So they would have, they were young and had fled the nest. So I was sort of, even though I've got two sisters, I was technically an only kid. Because, because um and my mum brought me up, but I was brought, really, my sisters did spoil me, particularly Jackie. Who spoiled me. Um, so I was just brought up by women.
12:39 Jessie Ware? And did your sister inspire you to start acting? I know you acted locally and what was, what was it, the Young People's Theatre or something?
12:47 Speaker 03 Greenwich Young People's Theatre.
12:48 Jessie Ware? I don't even know if that still exists, actually.
12:50 Speaker 03 Uh, perhaps not.
12:51 Jessie Ware? Was your sister going to that as well?
12:53 Speaker 03 No.
12:54 Jessie Ware? Okay.
12:55 Speaker 03 I, I would have these flights of fancy. I decided that I stumbled upon a, a, a Chopin record. And had never really heard classical music before. And I remember just being so taken with it. And I decided I wanted to play the piano. So I saved up my pocket money, went to Peckham. There was a big old furniture store, big warehouse at the end of, at the end of Peckham Rye.
13:29 Speaker 03 And I bought a ten pound, for ten quid, I bought an upright piano. And then took lessons locally. And then I went to the Blackheath Conservatory on music. And I, I was just, it was like, I wanna play the piano.
13:50 Jessie Ware? So that happened before wanting to act?
13:52 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, you know, what did I wanna be? I origi-, I think I originally wanted to be an astronaut.
14:00 Jessie Ware? Classic.
14:01 Speaker 03 But when my mum was giving me a wash down on the, you know, in the sink.
14:08 Speaker 03 As we, you know, I mean, we're still talking outside toilet.
14:12 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
14:12 Speaker 03 Iron bath.
14:15 Speaker 03 You, you know what I mean?
14:17 Jessie Ware? Yeah, and in fact, I, that's what we had when, where I was born, in Coventry, you had an iron bath.
14:21 Speaker 03 You know, and the fire, coal fire.
14:24 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
14:24 Speaker 03 And the coalman would deliver the coal and, yeah, so it was, you know. Charles Dickens was a very good friend of mine.
14:32 Jessie Ware? Did you read a lot?
14:34 Speaker 03 No, not, not particularly. I was always, um. I was happy in my own company. It, in my fantas-, in my head. And I would draw and I loved plasticine as a kid.
14:51 Jessie Ware? Plasticine.
14:51 Speaker 03 I would make models out of plasticine and a, a very old paper mache.
14:58 Jessie Ware? Oh, God, yeah, I used, and I liked the smell of it too.
15:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:03 Jessie Ware? Because it was on newspaper.
15:04 Speaker 03 And the glue, and the glue, and then you would, and then it would dry, and then you would burn, then you would paint.
15:09 Jessie Ware? Did your mum kind of know what to do with this very creative, quite sensitive, I imagine, soul that was, you know, wanting to listen to Chopin, buying himself a piano, doing paper mache?
15:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:20 Jessie Ware? Whilst all growing up in, you know, working class Deptford. Did she, was she enthusiastic and encouraging?
15:28 Speaker 03 I don't think she really, no, not in that.
15:33 Speaker 03 She was sort of woman.
15:38 Speaker 03 There are wom- women of that generation.
15:43 Speaker 03 That went through the war and you you know they they don't make them like that anymore. They're they're they're really.
15:52 Speaker 02 Oh, I don't know.
15:53 Speaker 03 But but yeah, but I mean. My mum was born in nineteen nineteen.
16:00 Speaker 02 Yeah.
16:01 Speaker 03 And then. You know, died a few years back, but she she was hoping for the hundredth year to get the.
16:08 Speaker 02 Oh, was she.
16:09 Speaker 03 She was of that generation where you'd get the letter from the Queen.
16:12 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:13 Speaker 03 Obsessed with this, getting the letter from the Queen. Um, but she she made ninety nine.
16:19 Speaker 02 Crikey.
16:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
16:21 Speaker 02 Well, you're gonna make old burns then.
16:23 Speaker 03 Yes, but you've got to remember, people always say, oh, your mum lived for a long, you know. You know, oh, you've got good genes. But then my mother wasn't eating processed food for half of her life.
16:36 Speaker 02 Hmm.
16:37 Speaker 03 I mean, all the crap that that we we we get.
16:43 Speaker 02 It's you that eats crap, Gary. We've seen it all on Slow Horses.
16:47 Jessie Ware? Well, and this leads me to what we're eating. Now, we're in the Dorchester. And I hear you do like the restaurant downstairs quite a lot.
16:55 Speaker 03 I I well, I've been a few times to Chinatown, yes, downstairs.
17:00 Jessie Ware? So you're you've kind of chosen the menu for today, or someone has. Um, the some of your favourites.
17:06 Speaker 03 Yes, I was involved in that in that decision making.
17:09 Speaker 02 Do you like a Chinese, wherever you are?
17:12 Speaker 03 Yes.
17:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
17:13 Speaker 03 I lived in New York for quite a few years. And there's something about, I'm sure if people haven't lived there or experienced it, they've seen it in movies. Where you get the.
17:26 Speaker 02 In the car.
17:26 Speaker 03 Yes, and they, yeah, I mean, it's and they're they're ten a penny there. There's some really great Chinese places, just local little hole in the walls that you can go to and order. And order Chinese food. We don't really have one in Palm Springs. We we we need.
17:44 Speaker 02 Well, yeah, that I was thinking that. I mean, I don't know about Chinese. You certainly can't get a good Indian in maybe Palm Springs.
17:52 Speaker 03 You can.
17:52 Speaker 02 You can?
17:53 Speaker 03 There's a local that delivers.
17:55 Speaker 02 You're kidding.
17:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's really good.
17:56 Speaker 02 What's it called?
17:58 Jessie Ware? Do you wanna give it away or not?
17:59 Speaker 02 The Taj Mahal or something, no?
18:01 Speaker 03 Star of India.
18:02 Speaker 02 Star of India. Jessie Jessie's got, what's that name of that place that you've got near you?
18:07 Jessie Ware? Well.
18:08 Speaker 02 Two Star Tandoori.
18:09 Jessie Ware? Yeah, I mean, and actually, I'd say it's fine.
18:12 Speaker 02 But they don't call.
18:13 Speaker 03 I love that.
18:14 Speaker 02 Two star.
18:15 Speaker 03 The two star tandoori. Such a dance move, doesn't it? I'm gonna do the two star tandoori now. Like, the sort of, it would be on Dancing with the Stars, wouldn't it? And this week.
18:29 Jessie Ware? Gary does.
18:30 Speaker 03 Fred and Linda.
18:31 Speaker 02 Are doing two stars.
18:32 Speaker 03 Doing the two star tandoori.
18:37 Jessie Ware? I, but you did, as Jackson Lamb, you did incorporate the box of Chinese. You're always eating a bit of Chinese.
18:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
18:46 Jessie Ware? Was that like a intention from you? Like, was that, because I know that you take, from what I've heard, is when you take on a role. You kind of, would you call yourself a method actor? I mean, like.
18:57 Speaker 03 I wouldn't call myself a method actor.
18:59 Jessie Ware? But but food becomes quite important, I've heard, that like, I mean, is it that each character has, you think about the way he walks or?
19:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, but but there's an old thing of knowing what's in the fridge for the character.
19:13 Jessie Ware? Oh, yeah.
19:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, what's in the fridge? Well, I have to say, with with with Jackson Lamb, Slow Horses. We, the show's adapted from books, these books by Mick Heron. And the universe, the world that we're in. And and the characters are all from Mick's imagination.
19:37 Speaker 03 He created the character of Jackson Lamb, which is, it's all there in the book.
19:42 Speaker 02 We, I've read the book.
19:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, they're terrific.
19:44 Speaker 02 And I love Mick Herron, yeah.
19:46 Speaker 03 They're terrific books. So the, all the signposts.
19:50 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:50 Speaker 03 It was like he laid out a map for me. And all the signposts are there and it informs the choices that you make. How you move, the way you dress, you, you get clues from, from good writing.
20:06 Speaker 02 Yeah.
20:06 Speaker 03 Bad writing is, that's a whole different thing.
20:10 Speaker 02 I mean, I was absolutely thrilled. He was on the radio the other week and he's written a new one, a new Slow Horses. So.
20:17 Jessie Ware? So what will that be, eight, is it?
20:18 Speaker 02 No, it's about twelve, thirteen.
20:20 Speaker 03 I think it's, well, he's done little short stories from the Slough House series. That offshoots Novellas, I suppose. But, well, here's the thing. He will keep writing.
20:37 Speaker 02 Thank God.
20:38 Speaker 03 Will we? W- will Apple keep writing the checks?
20:43 Jessie Ware? Well, it's very successful.
20:44 Speaker 02 Gosh.
20:45 Speaker 03 And how much, and how much do we? How many, how many more lambs do I have in me?
20:51 Speaker 02 I think you've got a lot of lambs there, darling. I'm sure you have.
20:55 Jessie Ware? You, you say about good writing and that he gave you all these, this map of this, you know, signposting, but then from what I understand of JFK, Oliver Stone kind of gave you a few aeroplane tickets. And he was like, go research yourself. And there wasn't that much on him. So what would you have said that was in Lee Harvey Oswald? Like, what would have been in his fridge?
21:17 Speaker 03 Oh, Lee Harvey Oswald. Well, I think before he met Marina,
21:26 Speaker 03 there'd have been very little in his fridge. Eggs, milk, processed food. Early sort of, uh, an early version of processed food, what the Americans would call a TV dinner. Where you would put it in and just warm it up in the oven. And then later became a family man.
21:47 Speaker 03 So it would have been the real standard American weekly shop. But yeah, Oliver.
21:57 Speaker 03 It it you become, not every job is the is the same. But that was it was sort of unique because there wasn't just a great deal on the page. And then he sort of put me in touch with a few contacts. And he gave me a bunch of airline tickets and things and just said, um, go off and find out.
22:23 Speaker 02 That's exciting.
22:23 Speaker 03 And you met different people. It was like being a detective. It was like being a sort of investigator. We went to the actual, the landlady where Oswald had stayed.
22:38 Speaker 02 Fascinating.
22:39 Speaker 03 Um, and all the locations were the real deal. It was it was it was extraordinary to do in that respect.
22:47 Speaker 02 Fantastic.
22:48 Speaker 03 The the attention to the the researchers and the attention to detail on it was quite. So it it was a very, I've a good feeling about it when I think of when when I think of it, you know.
23:01 Speaker 02 Gary, you've now been associating with royalty and you're almost royalty yourself. Have you played any kings or?
23:09 Jessie Ware? Maybe it's time.
23:11 Speaker 03 Have I played a king?
23:12 Jessie Ware? I don't know. You've played like everyone else.
23:14 Speaker 02 I think you should be playing royalty.
23:16 Speaker 03 Do you think so?
23:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, do darling, absolutely.
23:19 Speaker 03 Well, I've played a president.
23:20 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:21 Speaker 03 And a prime minister.
23:22 Speaker 02 Absolutely.
23:24 Jessie Ware? A composer.
23:26 Speaker 03 Yeah, I've never played a king.
23:27 Speaker 02 No.
23:28 Speaker 03 I don't think I've played a king.
23:29 Speaker 02 Have you done any Shakespeare?
23:31 Speaker 03 Yeah.
23:32 Speaker 02 And not a king in that?
23:34 Speaker 03 No.
23:34 Jessie Ware? Didn't you tell someone to stop eating chocolate when they at R S C production?
23:39 Speaker 03 How do you know that?
23:40 Jessie Ware? We've done our research, guys.
23:41 Speaker 03 No, they weren't eating chocolate. They were sighing.
23:44 Jessie Ware? Sighing?
23:46 Speaker 03 Oh. They were loudly tutting.
23:52 Jessie Ware? Weren't Shakespeare fans?
23:54 Speaker 03 It wasn't Shakespeare. It was it was it was a new, it was a modern play. It was a new play by Trevor Griffiths. Um, yeah, and I.
24:05 Speaker 03 Got a bit upset with them.
24:06 Jessie Ware? So, did you find, you found them after the thing and had a word?
24:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, in the interval.
24:11 Jessie Ware? I lo- I, I, I love, I love that, that you're busy doing probably an incredible performance, as you always do, but you've still got an eye on somebody and you're gonna locate them after, fair enough.
24:20 Speaker 03 Well, it came about because it was at the RSC at the Barbican, and it was in the theatre downstairs, in what they called the pit.
24:27 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
24:27 Speaker 03 So the audience.
24:28 Jessie Ware? It's small.
24:29 Speaker 03 The, the front row of the audience is where they're always. So it's not like, there, it's not like they're out there.
24:36 Jessie Ware? Mm-hmm.
24:37 Speaker 03 It's an intimate thing, and this, just this person was about two rows back, and every time we said a line or whatever, you just heard. Oh, God.
24:48 Jessie Ware? Oh, fuck off.
24:50 Speaker 03 Oh, God.
24:51 Jessie Ware? Oh, shit.
24:52 Speaker 03 Oh. And, um.
24:57 Speaker 03 That whirred me up a bit.
24:58 Jessie Ware? Yeah, fair enough. Now, Al- producer Alice is bringing in your order.
25:03 Speaker 02 What is it?
25:03 Jessie Ware? So, you may have to take us through your order, so Gary Oldham.
25:06 Speaker 02 Wow, it looks gorgeous.
25:07 Jessie Ware? It looks delicious.
25:08 Speaker 03 Now, that is the green beans with chili and garlic.
25:12 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
25:12 Speaker 02 Yeah. Oh, look at those little ones.
25:15 Jessie Ware? Oh, I love a dumpling.
25:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, I thought I'd get the, the dumplings. Some of these things I did not order. Someone's been busy.
25:23 Jessie Ware? Sorry, it may have been me being over.
25:24 Speaker 03 No, no, no, no, it's fine.
25:26 Speaker 02 Did you say?
25:27 Jessie Ware? No, I said, I think, Gary, they said, oh, you know, you probably don't eat pork, and I was like, because you're Jewish, and I was like, no, no, we do, we do.
25:33 Speaker 03 Crispy beef.
25:34 Jessie Ware? Yum.
25:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
25:36 Speaker 03 Chicken with black bean.
25:37 Jessie Ware? Delicious.
25:38 Speaker 02 Delicious. Lovely rice.
25:39 Speaker 03 Lovely, a sort of, yeah, that should be a sort of mixed fried rice, and these are, they're like a soup.
25:47 Jessie Ware? They're my favourite.
25:48 Speaker 03 Dumpling.
25:48 Jessie Ware? Love them.
25:49 Speaker 02 Darling, do you want chopsticks or a knife and fork?
25:52 Speaker 03 Chopsticks, please.
25:54 Speaker 02 Thank you. Do you want chopsticks, darling?
25:54 Jessie Ware? That may be a corn toast or something, but like a baby.
25:56 Speaker 03 I may, I may be from Deptford.
26:00 Speaker 02 But you know how to use your chopsticks?
26:01 Speaker 03 I may be from the gutter, but I know how to use a chopstick.
26:06 Jessie Ware? You know what, I'm rubbish at them.
26:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, but, but do have one of.
26:10 Jessie Ware? I love them.
26:11 Speaker 03 Would you like, would you like a soup?
26:13 Speaker 02 Oh, I'd, I'd love a dumpling.
26:14 Jessie Ware? But careful, because it really bursts in your mouth.
26:16 Speaker 02 Thank you. Gary, there's a lot of annoying people that you have to work, that, that are part of your gang in Slow Horses.
26:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
26:27 Speaker 02 Who's the most annoying?
26:30 Jessie Ware? Character or?
26:31 Speaker 02 Character, not actor.
26:33 Speaker 03 There aren't any annoying actors.
26:34 Jessie Ware? No.
26:35 Speaker 02 No, they're all fabulous.
26:36 Speaker 03 I'm happy to say it has been one of, in terms of just working with a group of people, it has been one of the most joyful experiences I've had.
26:49 Speaker 02 Mmm.
26:49 Speaker 03 Because they are just cracking lunch of, of, of.
26:55 Jessie Ware? So shame loads of them get killed, isn't it?
26:57 Speaker 02 I know.
26:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, they do.
26:58 Jessie Ware? Yeah, and then you can't hang out anymore, like gorgeous Kadif Cohen.
27:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, Kadif.
27:02 Jessie Ware? Sorry, spoiler.
27:03 Speaker 03 We kind of miss him. No, not a spoiler.
27:05 Speaker 02 He's, they went last.
27:06 Jessie Ware? He went in season three, but still, yeah.
27:09 Speaker 02 Gary, you've got the most gorgeous scarf on that I'm admiring. Are you going to do a Jackson Lamb on us and get it all, all your stuff down there?
27:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, I might absolutely.
27:18 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'm worried about that.
27:19 Speaker 03 I have a beautiful story behind the scarf.
27:21 Speaker 02 Oh, it's gorgeous.
27:22 Speaker 03 It is old, it's a bit of old vintage Paul Smith.
27:26 Jessie Ware? Oh, you love Paul Smith, don't you?
27:28 Speaker 03 Paul, he's gorgeous.
27:30 Jessie Ware? We, we, we had Paul on the pod, didn't we?
27:32 Speaker 03 Um, and it's got one little heart. So the story goes, I did Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy with John Hurt and many other wonderful actors, but I adored John. And I, I was a big fan. And when I met him for the first time, I was like fanboy. It was like, God, John, I loved him. And he did not disappoint. He was a darling man, great storyteller, and we had many, many laughs. I then caught up with him in California and he was doing Crap's Last Tape, the Samuel Beckett play.
28:13 Speaker 03 And I went backstage and, uh, said hello. And one of the first things he said to me was, oh, I love your scarf. So I took it off, put it round his neck, and I said, it's yours now.
28:31 Speaker 03 And I gave it to him. Anyway, I, earlier this year, I went back to York where I started my career in nineteen seventy nine. And I went back on stage and I did Crap's Last Tape in York. And Anwin, John's widow now, came to see the play. So it's the same play that John had been in many years previous. And she said, she gave me a beautiful,
29:15 Speaker 03 that sort of first night card that she'd made in a box frame that she'd given John.
29:25 Speaker 03 And gave it to me to sort of pass it on. It was really, I was so touched by it. Anyway, we went to dinner and she has a little bag and she said, I have something for you. And she gave him the scarf back.
29:43 Speaker 02 How important is that?
29:45 Speaker 03 And, um, yeah, sweet, really, really lovely, lovely thing, lovely thing. So, um, you mentioned the scarf and
29:57 Speaker 02 Gorgeous.
29:58 Speaker 03 That's the story behind it. It found it, went all the way around and he kind of found it's came back, you know, in a, in a, came back in a very, in a sad but very beautiful way, you know?
30:11 Speaker 02 Well, it will always make you think of him, always. Yeah, he's there.
30:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, I sometimes put it on and I just put it
30:17 Speaker 02 Just to have him with you.
30:18 Speaker 03 And I go, hello, Johnny.
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31:05 Speaker 02 This is delicious.
31:07 Jessie Ware? These are so delicious.
31:08 Speaker 02 This is mushroom something.
31:10 Speaker 03 But to answer your question,
31:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
31:13 Speaker 03 Rodrick Ho is the most annoying fucker.
31:17 Speaker 02 We've just said that.
31:18 Speaker 03 I'm sorry, I just can't.
31:19 Speaker 02 He's so annoying.
31:21 Speaker 03 A lamb, just... It's like...
31:27 Speaker 02 I don't know why you don't get rid of him.
31:29 Speaker 03 Because he can do computers.
31:32 Speaker 02 He's so annoying.
31:34 Jessie Ware? My husband loves him.
31:35 Speaker 03 I mean, in a lovely way.
31:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, I know.
31:38 Speaker 03 Annoying in an enjoyable way, he's not like...
31:40 Speaker 02 What's he like in true life? Is he absolutely...
31:42 Jessie Ware? He's Australian, I hear.
31:43 Speaker 02 I know, he's Australian.
31:45 Speaker 03 He's a dog, great, very close to...
31:48 Speaker 02 Oh, Jessie, this is so delicious.
31:49 Jessie Ware? This is really good.
31:50 Speaker 02 Maybe we should come here for my birthday.
31:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, do you like, so far?
31:55 Jessie Ware? Delicious. This is a perfect date, Gary.
31:58 Speaker 03 Good.
31:58 Jessie Ware? I'm really enjoying it, thank you.
31:59 Speaker 03 How many dates have you had?
32:02 Jessie Ware? Well, now I'm going to sound like a right slagbag, but yeah.
32:06 Speaker 03 I'm not.
32:07 Jessie Ware? We're on our 18th season. So how many? About 300. About 300 dates, but you're the best, Gary.
32:14 Speaker 03 You tart. 300.
32:19 Speaker 02 What are these, Gary?
32:20 Speaker 03 Um, they were ordered by someone other than me.
32:24 Speaker 02 Oh, it's a little crispy wonton.
32:26 Speaker 03 You know what, it's probably a shrimp or a prawn.
32:30 Jessie Ware? This is really good. Whilst you're spooning a bit of chili, crispy chili beef.
32:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, while I'm spooning crispy beef.
32:37 Jessie Ware? You need to start thinking about your last supper, starter, main, food and drink of choice.
32:44 Speaker 03 My last supper?
32:45 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
32:46 Speaker 03 What I would put on the menu.
32:47 Speaker 02 Before you go away to a desert island.
32:50 Jessie Ware? For a very long time, yeah.
32:51 Speaker 03 There's a lot of kind of food that I like. I do like Chinese food. I happen to, I like Italian.
33:00 Speaker 03 I think, for me, that gets the prize, you know? Um, I have certain favourite Italian dishes, but there's there's a simple dish that my wife makes and we all love it.
33:15 Jessie Ware? What is it?
33:16 Speaker 03 It's like prime, um, beef. And it's a, an ingredient that she uses, um, called, have you heard of maggi?
33:29 Jessie Ware? Oh, the seasoning, yeah.
33:31 Speaker 03 Her father is German and her mother's French. And her grandmother, her French grandmother, used to make this dish. Really, really simple. And it's just like chip pasta
33:48 Speaker 03 with this meat and the maggi and the various spices.
33:54 Speaker 03 And she adds something else, the sauce thickens. And it's what you would describe as a peasant dish, you know, like it's inexpensive. And it was something that her grandmother made. And now we all have been, since she came into my life.
34:14 Speaker 03 My kids and everybody, we've all been introduced to this dish. And it's called little meat.
34:21 Jessie Ware? Little meat?
34:22 Speaker 03 Little meat. And often when the kids come over. I say kids, you know, my kids. They're men, but when the kids come over. And she says, is there anything that you like? And they nearly always say, yeah, can we, can you make a little meat?
34:41 Jessie Ware? Can you cook?
34:42 Speaker 03 If I have to.
34:43 Jessie Ware? If we were coming over.
34:45 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
34:46 Jessie Ware? What would you rustle up for us?
34:48 Speaker 03 When I first met my wife. She came over and I made a.
34:54 Speaker 03 I think it was oregano toast with baked beans.
34:56 Jessie Ware? How did you do the eggs?
34:58 Speaker 03 Over easy.
34:59 Jessie Ware? Oh, okay.
35:01 Speaker 03 Fried.
35:01 Jessie Ware? What oil do you use or do you use butter?
35:03 Speaker 03 Bit of olive oil.
35:04 Jessie Ware? Did she like, well, she stood, stuck around, so she's, she obviously liked it.
35:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, she stuck around. I don't know, I do. I do a very simple pasta dish. Butter, olive oil. Sate like onions and peppers and, you know, I mean. Nothing, I'm not. By any stretch of the imagination.
35:27 Speaker 03 A cook, my son is.
35:28 Jessie Ware? Oh, yeah.
35:29 Speaker 03 Charlie can cook. Yeah. Very, I'm very experimental.
35:33 Jessie Ware? Oh, yeah.
35:33 Speaker 03 Does some really nice stuff. Yeah, but I'm never. It's fuel, that's all it is. I mean, I do like a nice meal, but. When I'm focused on work.
35:49 Speaker 03 I can go without much.
35:51 Speaker 02 I wish I was like that.
35:52 Jessie Ware? Go on.
35:53 Speaker 03 I can just, yeah.
35:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, no, we live to eat rather than need to live.
35:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
35:57 Jessie Ware? Have you got a sweet tooth?
35:58 Speaker 03 I developed one.
35:59 Jessie Ware? Oh, really? What made you develop a sweet tooth?
36:02 Speaker 03 I think because I gave up drinking.
36:04 Jessie Ware? Right.
36:05 Speaker 03 Um, you know, you're getting sugar from booze.
36:08 Speaker 02 Yeah. Jessie could have some beans.
36:10 Jessie Ware? Mm hmm. So what would be your pudding on your last supper?
36:13 Speaker 03 Rice pudding, probably.
36:15 Jessie Ware? Rice pudding? From the, um, like ambrosia?
36:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:20 Jessie Ware? Or more fancy pants?
36:21 Speaker 03 No, that would be all right, or a homemade rice pudding. Um.
36:27 Jessie Ware? Bit of jam?
36:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, I like a sponge cake. Awesome.
36:32 Jessie Ware? What, like, kind of school meals, sponge cake?
36:34 Speaker 03 School meal sponge cake with, with custard.
36:37 Jessie Ware? Mm-hmm.
36:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:38 Speaker 02 Gary, while you're over here, will you go to a football match?
36:41 Speaker 03 I haven't got time.
36:42 Speaker 02 What a shame.
36:43 Speaker 03 Leaving. To, I'm leaving on a jet plane.
36:47 Speaker 02 Tomorrow?
36:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:48 Speaker 02 Back to Palm Springs?
36:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:50 Speaker 02 Do you love it there?
36:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:52 Speaker 02 It's warm, isn't it?
36:54 Speaker 03 It is warm.
36:54 Speaker 02 All the time.
36:56 Speaker 03 It's about three hundred and sixty days of sunshine. Yeah, but, um, in August, July August.
37:04 Speaker 02 It's hot.
37:05 Speaker 03 It gets to about a hundred and twenty, a hundred and twenty-three Fahrenheit.
37:11 Speaker 02 So do you come to Europe then?
37:13 Speaker 03 No, just stuff, we, we stuff, you know, put the air conditioning on.
37:18 Jessie Ware? That's what we need to start getting here.
37:21 Speaker 02 Well, I've only been to Palm Springs once.
37:24 Jessie Ware? Coachella.
37:25 Speaker 02 When Jesse was singing at Coachella.
37:27 Jessie Ware? But I really like Palm Springs, actually.
37:29 Speaker 02 Palm Springs is gorgeous, Coachella was. I never knew dust could get in crevices of your body.
37:36 Speaker 03 I have dogs.
37:37 Jessie Ware? What kind of dogs?
37:38 Speaker 03 I've got, um, a little papillon and a little terrier. They're both, they're rescued dogs.
37:46 Jessie Ware? Uh-huh.
37:47 Speaker 03 And my son, who's staying with us at the moment, as to, he has an Australian sheepdog and a scruffy
37:56 Speaker 03 adorable terrier. Um, and, um, ha- dog hair and the dust in the desert. I've given up. I can't bear dust and now, oh. Would, you have to-
38:13 Speaker 02 Are you constantly hoovering?
38:14 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'm wiping stuff down and you go,
38:18 Speaker 03 after a while, it's, you have to surrender to it. You have to give in to it. And the, and the fur balls and the things and you, you know, and you vacuum. We don't have a, we don't have a cleaner. We do it, my wife and I.
38:36 Speaker 02 Why do you not have a cleaner? Can't you afford it, Gary?
38:42 Speaker 02 I'll treat you.
38:46 Speaker 03 Hi.
38:50 Speaker 02 You don't like the intrusion, it's annoying.
38:53 Speaker 03 Yeah.
38:54 Speaker 02 Yeah, I know lots of people like that.
38:56 Speaker 03 My my my wife wants to just do the do the duvet and the sheets. You know, not have someone come in and so, uh.
39:09 Speaker 03 Uh, you know, I have my I have my my skill set that I'm good at and then and hers and then we're kind of between us but but. Um, we don't have a big.
39:21 Speaker 03 Uh, we have nice yard and stuff.
39:24 Speaker 02 You've got a pool.
39:25 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
39:25 Speaker 02 Of course you have.
39:26 Speaker 03 But it it comes with it, you know, it's sort of. But in terms of just real estate.
39:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:33 Speaker 03 Or size, it's modest.
39:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:35 Speaker 03 It's not a ma- mansion.
39:37 Speaker 02 Have you got homes in other places?
39:39 Speaker 03 No.
39:41 Speaker 02 So when you're filming Slow Horses, you live here?
39:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
39:44 Speaker 02 That's nice.
39:45 Speaker 03 Shut up. Oh, no.
39:47 Speaker 02 Not here?
39:48 Speaker 03 I have lived here, but we've got a house that we're renting.
39:52 Speaker 02 Okay.
39:52 Speaker 03 That the company rent, you know, and we go to that, but. When I the first season of Slow Horses was the pandemic.
40:01 Speaker 02 Oh, God.
40:02 Speaker 03 Covid and Doug and I were the only two people in this hotel.
40:06 Speaker 02 That's insane.
40:08 Speaker 03 It was like The Shining. It was like The Overlook. It was so spooky. We were the only two. And then for the first time in its history, it closed down.
40:17 Speaker 02 So what like, because staff weren't able to be here. But you, they said you can keep your room.
40:25 Speaker 02 That's crazy.
40:26 Speaker 03 And we used to order in and they brought in a limited very a s- a skeleton s- staff. And they'd prepare some food and then refrigerate the food.
40:42 Speaker 03 Um, and I could call room service and there was someone answering the phone and they said, oh, we can knock up. Whatever, but we had this.
40:54 Speaker 03 I don't know why we were on different floors, but he was at a higher floor than me.
41:02 Speaker 03 And we were there at the pandemic, with no one around, as you know, a ghost town, no one here. I took some video, actually, I walked around the hotel, I filled the back elevators and it was really, really spooky. Some of the floors were were closed.
41:20 Jessie Ware? But also, we're on Park Lane, it's like, and you've got Hyde Park and just everything being so silent.
41:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was, yeah.
41:28 Speaker 02 There was no traffic.
41:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, spooky. Um, so we needed, we needed to entertain ourselves. And I said, look, I had a nice little corner suite that they gave me. And I said, look, come down and have di- dinner in my room. And so we'd order something from downstairs, it would arrive.
41:57 Speaker 03 And I called Doug up and I'd say, dinner's here, I said, come down, I said, Below Dex is about to start.
42:06 Jessie Ware? Did you watch Below Dex?
42:08 Speaker 03 So we watched that and then we went Marriage at First Sight Australia.
42:12 Speaker 02 Oh, no.
42:13 Jessie Ware? Amazing.
42:14 Speaker 03 Then we watched Naked Attraction and I'd never seen anything like it in my life.
42:17 Speaker 02 Real Housewives? Or you draw a line there?
42:23 Speaker 03 I draw a line, you know. Um, and we, we would sit and eat dinner, watching reality TV.
42:33 Jessie Ware? Do you still watch reality TV or does it, is it kind of, you know, brings back trauma of being stuck with Doug in the daughter stuff?
42:40 Speaker 03 No, I don't.
42:41 Jessie Ware? Before we let you go.
42:42 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:43 Jessie Ware? Which we don't want to let you go because we're loving your company.
42:46 Speaker 02 Yeah.
42:47 Jessie Ware? Um.
42:47 Speaker 02 And you've eh eh, you've eaten your whole dinner without nothing to front.
42:51 Jessie Ware? I know, well done. And, and you, Lenny, that's a first.
42:55 Speaker 02 That's a first, but I've got more.
42:57 Jessie Ware? No, but that's where it usually lands.
42:59 Speaker 02 Chance of catching stuff.
43:00 Speaker 03 A little more front.
43:01 Speaker 02 Yeah.
43:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
43:02 Speaker 02 Oh, I've got a lot of front, Gary.
43:04 Jessie Ware? Um, before we, um, before we leave you, would you be able to give us a nostalgic taste?
43:10 Speaker 02 I thought you were going to say a fart there.
43:12 Jessie Ware? No, I was gonna ask for that after, actually.
43:14 Speaker 02 Oh, Christ, he's.
43:16 Jessie Ware? Miriam Margulies came on and she did a fart without, you know, it wasn't a performance. I found it hysterical because.
43:22 Speaker 02 Forcing them out.
43:24 Jessie Ware? I was gonna ask about a nostalgic taste.
43:25 Speaker 02 Okay, then.
43:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
43:27 Jessie Ware? Which feels really gross now that we're talking about farts, but, um, nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere happy or sad. Or smell.
43:37 Speaker 03 Few years back, I went to the London Transport Museum.
43:44 Jessie Ware? Oh, I hear that's re- that's supposed to be quite good.
43:47 Speaker 03 It's fantastic.
43:48 Jessie Ware? Right. Were you taking a grandchild or you just fancied it?
43:52 Speaker 03 I think I just fancied it.
43:53 Jessie Ware? Okay.
43:53 Speaker 03 I think I was in Covent Garden.
43:55 Jessie Ware? Okay.
43:56 Speaker 03 I just thought, oh, there it is, right there. And, you know, it's the old underground and how they built the underground and how they tunneled and. Oh, it's full of wonderful things. But I got on an old bus and went upstairs on a double decker.
44:22 Speaker 03 From when I was a kid, I would, you know, late, late, like nineteen sixty-two.
44:32 Speaker 02 Would it have the wooden floors still?
44:34 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
44:35 Speaker 03 And you could still smell the tobacco because you could smoke upstairs. And it took me, it was, I was a bit blindsided by it. I just thought, like, God, you know, and memories started sort of rushing back. But isn't it odd that the breeze or the wind will catch something? And when you least expect it, you get danger, you get like a thi- you know, you get a memory. And it's just something that, whatever that is, it's carried for that split second on the, on the breeze or the. Um, I guess there's certain tastes as, as, as well.
45:21 Speaker 03 But there's nothing like, you talk about favourite food, um.
45:29 Speaker 03 What can be? Eggs and bacon. And a bit of fried bread. And a cup of tea. I mean.
45:39 Speaker 02 From a greasy spoon.
45:41 Speaker 03 Oh, gosh.
45:42 Speaker 02 You need to open one up in Palm Springs.
45:45 Speaker 03 My mum wanted to open one. I moved my mum out to California. I think that's what kept her alive for so long. And she loved it, made lots of friends, always went out. My mother would say to me, oh god. Oh, you never know. I was at dinner last night with Peter Falk.
46:01 Speaker 02 Colombo.
46:02 Speaker 03 And I'd go, Peter Falk, I love Peter Falk. I've never met Peter. How the fuck did you end up with Peter Falk in a, in a restaurant? And she, and she would like talk about people that she'd run into. She lived a life. She had her own. Thing in LA. Go. She lived in an apartment in Beverly Hills. And she had this fantasy. That, um. She wanted to uh uh have a double decker bus and turn it into a fish and chip shop.
46:35 Speaker 02 Oh, I love that.
46:37 Speaker 03 And park it up. You know, on Ventura Boulevard or something in the, in the valley. And Kay's Fish and Chips was her. This was, this was her fantasy. What, what, what you got then?
46:52 Speaker 02 Tell each other our fortunes.
46:53 Speaker 03 Okay, oh lovely.
46:54 Jessie Ware? And then also before you go, I really want you to do a fuck off to me and a fuck off to Lenny.
47:00 Speaker 02 You know, lamb style.
47:02 Jessie Ware? Gary, what's your fortune say?
47:05 Speaker 03 My fortune says subtle flatulence are sw- no.
47:11 Speaker 03 Subtle influences are swirling around you today.
47:17 Jessie Ware? Is that it?
47:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:18 Jessie Ware? Hmm. I don't know if that's positive or negative.
47:20 Speaker 02 Mine is a light heart carries you through all the hard times.
47:26 Jessie Ware? Oh, that must be me. I'm the light heart. And then my one is if you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing. You're right. Okay, these are crap. What does that fucking mean?
47:40 Speaker 03 So, you.
47:41 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
47:44 Speaker 03 Fuck off. And you. You can fuck off as well.
48:06 Speaker 02 Darling.
48:06 Jessie Ware? Yes.
48:07 Speaker 02 They say don't meet your heroes.
48:08 Jessie Ware? But we just did.
48:10 Speaker 02 And he was even more fabulous than I thought he could be.
48:14 Jessie Ware? That was one of my favourite episodes.
48:16 Speaker 02 Me too.
48:17 Jessie Ware? He was such fun. He tells a good story. The story about John Hurt's scarf was just really beautiful.
48:25 Speaker 02 It was moving. He's very warm.
48:29 Jessie Ware? Really warm. Loved you. Had a giggle with you.
48:32 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think he needs a cleaner though.
48:33 Jessie Ware? Maybe you could be his cleaner.
48:34 Speaker 02 Maybe I could.
48:35 Jessie Ware? You've just been going with your vanish stick on the floor because the...
48:39 Speaker 02 Oh, it's gone.
48:40 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
48:40 Speaker 02 Ish. Do you think his hair's long?
48:44 Jessie Ware? For Jackson.
48:45 Speaker 02 For Jackson or he likes it long?
48:47 Jessie Ware? He's always had a good hair, like mop of hair. I remember in the 90s, he had the kind of flop.
48:52 Speaker 02 Do you think it's because he lives in America now and he drives a big truck and...
48:57 Jessie Ware? We don't know if he drives a big truck, actually.
48:59 Speaker 02 I just wondered because the hair goes with it.
49:00 Jessie Ware? I think your fantasies of Gary Oldman's life in Palm Springs are becoming very vivid.
49:06 Speaker 02 I wonder if he'd ever play a cowboy?
49:07 Jessie Ware? Well, we'll have to ask him if we ever get him round to New Cross.
49:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, we're going to try and get him there.
49:13 Jessie Ware? Thank you so much to Sir Gary Oldman for coming on Table Manners and ordering the food, which was delicious.
49:21 Speaker 02 Delicious. I think it might be my new favourite place.
49:25 Jessie Ware? You just have to come to the door just to eat it, but sure.
49:27 Speaker 02 Be fabulous.
49:28 Jessie Ware? It was really delicious. You can watch the new season of Slow Horses, season five, on Apple TV Plus right now. He's being brilliantly Jackson Lamb.
49:38 Speaker 02 Isn't it interesting though? He finds Ho annoying too.
49:42 Jessie Ware? Well, no, the character.
49:44 Speaker 02 I know, Ho. Not the person.
49:46 Jessie Ware? Okay, fine. Thank you for listening and we'll see you next week.
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