Pod Insights Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware Felicity Jones About this episode 2025 is our year of the Oscar & BAFTA nominees, and this week we have this years 'Best Supporting Actress' nominee Felicity Jones joining us for lunch. Felicity is currently starring in The Brutalist which is absolutely phenomenal, and she told us all about how the beautiful film came together. We discovered the Birmingham born actress is very superstitious, how she got her first role in the radio series ‘The Archers’, filming a Christmas film in the peak of summer, and why she will never be able to star in a musical! The biggest revelation is that we might even be related, or we all just love a wild Birmingham delicacy… We’re rooting for you Felicity, best of luck with all of the award nominations, you’re a superstar! The Brutalist is playing in cinemas now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.
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1:06 Jessie Ware? Hello and welcome to Table manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here at Ernie's.
1:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:11 Jessie Ware? I've been busy working on my face.
1:13 Speaker 03 I saw that, darling.
1:15 Jessie Ware? I had a laser.
1:16 Speaker 03 Why did you do that?
1:17 Jessie Ware? Because I want to have everlasting youth. Why wouldn't you want that? I went to see Jasmine, my facialist, and I got this laser done. And I looked mental after it. And then I went and had the sperm under your eye.
1:34 Speaker 03 Is that where you normally put sperm?
1:36 Jessie Ware? Jesus, mother. No, it's polyneucleotides. It's trout sperm. And my friend had to Google how they extract the sperm. And so my eyes looked slightly puffy.
1:48 Speaker 03 And there's some poor trout there that didn't get what he was expecting.
1:52 Jessie Ware? Oh, hell. He's now on my face.
1:58 Jessie Ware? Anyway, we have Felicity Jones on the podcast today, who is probably going to be up for an Oscar.
2:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
2:06 Jessie Ware? Is already up for BAFTA.
2:08 Speaker 03 We both watched The Brutalist.
2:10 Jessie Ware? We both watched The Brutalist.
2:11 Speaker 03 And it is a wonderful, fantastic, marvellous film.
2:15 Jessie Ware? It's epic, it's tragic, it's beautiful, it's...
2:19 Speaker 03 Touching.
2:19 Jessie Ware? Yeah, it's a lot and it feels so grand. Some of the shots are just stunning. I mean, most of the shots are stunning. It was all shot on film and it just had this beautiful quality to it. So it's about Adrian Brody's character, Lazlo Toff, moving to America post-
2:38 Speaker 03 Having survived the concentration camps.
2:40 Jessie Ware? Boukenvold. And it's about him trying to get his family, his wife, who Felicity plays, and his niece, who Rafi Cassidy plays, over to America to start a new life where, you know, it feels like it will be limitless and prosperous. He's this amazing architect. He's kind of revolutionary, pioneering.
3:04 Speaker 03 He's a brutalist, studied at the Bauhaus.
3:06 Jessie Ware? You've got to go and watch it. But basically, I'm a fan of Felicity. I think she's an amazing actress. I was a fan of her in Chalet Girl.
3:14 Speaker 03 Me too.
3:15 Jessie Ware? Loved Chalet Girl.
3:16 Speaker 03 All I remember is Emma Grundy.
3:18 Jessie Ware? Do you?
3:18 Speaker 03 Emma Grundy, yes.
3:19 Jessie Ware? On The Archers.
3:20 Speaker 03 Yes.
3:21 Jessie Ware? Actually, I was in Paris with her probably a decade ago. I'm trying to remember when we were there together. So kind of known her for a while, but haven't seen her for years. And very excited to have Felicity Jones come on, talk about The Brutalist, talk about her career, talk about food. And what have you made?
3:40 Speaker 03 An onion and anchovy tart. Well, it's not a tart, it's called a pisal- Pisaladier. Pisaladier, which I think we made when we went to Leith's cookery school, darling. It's kind of like an open flanny thing on pastry.
3:57 Jessie Ware? Oh, yeah.
3:58 Speaker 03 I don't know what it's gonna be like. I hope it's okay.
4:01 Jessie Ware? Well, um, I've made with it, which now I'm thinking is probably a bit silly, um. I've made something with shallots on. I've done a potato salad.
4:10 Speaker 03 Did you hear me when I said I was making an onion tart?
4:13 Jessie Ware? Yeah, but you're doing like caramelised onions and so I did shallot.
4:16 Speaker 03 Onion on onion.
4:17 Jessie Ware? Yeah, okay, fine. Well, it's done now, isn't it? Um, and then, um, I've done, yes, I've done a potato salad, kind of French potato salad with shallots, cut up very small. Um, that I've run underwater. I didn't realise that that was a trick to get rid of the kind of oomph of them. But they're still pretty oomphy.
4:34 Speaker 03 You can peel them underwater or run water when you're peeling them and it's supposed to take the.
4:39 Jessie Ware? Well, I just chop them and then put them in. So anyway, I've probably done it wrong, but whatever. Um, they still taste quite pungent.
4:45 Speaker 03 Is there onion in the other salad?
4:46 Jessie Ware? No.
4:47 Speaker 03 Oh.
4:48 Jessie Ware? In the other salad, it's shaved fennel and celery with parmesan and a dressing quite similar, but with some garlic. That you actually put the garlic in and then you take the garlic out 10 minutes later, which I think is very clever.
4:58 Speaker 03 Infused.
4:59 Jessie Ware? So it's infused, but it's not like as pungent because poor, poor Felicity's got to do the one show later.
5:04 Speaker 03 I've got Tic Tacs upstairs.
5:06 Jessie Ware? I don't think Tic Tacs are gonna cut it, Mum. She's having onion on onion.
5:09 Speaker 03 Eating parsley stops the smell of garlic.
5:12 Jessie Ware? So anyway, we, that's what we're doing. And then for pudding, my three-year-old has come up trumped again. And has made an apple and cinnamon cake that he made for the family and everyone loved. So I said, mate, can you get me another one of them on the go? And so he made it yesterday. He may be our new pastry chef.
5:29 Speaker 03 I know.
5:30 Jessie Ware? I mean, let's face it, it's my wonderful nanny helping him, but he loves it. Oh my God. Speaking of children, I, I'm just gonna put this out here. And I accept that this is a very motherland situation and I wanna cringe with everyone.
5:44 Jessie Ware? Last week I went out with my lovely friends from my son's year one class, like a few of them, like some couples. And we haven't really gone out all together. We were just at a local place. And my gorgeous friend next to me said something and I misheard. I thought she said, he's smart, isn't he? And I went, he's incredibly smart. Yeah, he's quite brilliant. And she went, no, no, his birthday's in March, right? And I went, oh God, oh God. God. I'm dying and I'm putting it out there to let you know that I am dying and it was so motherland and I was Amanda and I hate myself for mishearing her. But yeah, my son is clever. It was too bad.
6:28 Speaker 03 Can I just ask you, do you want me to put some tomatoes in a bowl to add? Just so it's red and I bought a bread.
6:34 Jessie Ware? What are the tomatoes for?
6:35 Speaker 03 I just thought.
6:36 Jessie Ware? Have you got any basil?
6:37 Speaker 03 No.
6:38 Jessie Ware? Have I asked you that?
6:39 Speaker 03 You've asked me three times now. Have you got memory loss?
6:41 Jessie Ware? Anyway, Felicity Jones coming up on 10 minutes.
6:53 Jessie Ware? Felicity Jones, you've just come in. You are open to the creme mon. We appreciate that. Cheers.
6:58 Speaker 04 I like a little creme mon.
6:59 Speaker 03 Cheers to the bruce list and your fabulous part and your success.
7:03 Speaker 04 Oh, thank you very much.
7:05 Jessie Ware? And to seeing you again after all these years.
7:07 Speaker 04 Have a sip.
7:07 Jessie Ware? Yeah, let's do it.
7:10 Jessie Ware? What, your whistle, is that what we say?
7:11 Speaker 04 Apparently it's bad luck if you cheers and you don't sip.
7:14 Jessie Ware? Oh, really? Are you superstitious, Felicity?
7:16 Speaker 04 Uh, yeah, I am actually.
7:18 Jessie Ware? So come on, tell me some other things that you're superstitious about.
7:21 Speaker 04 Um, I don't like walking on cracks in pavements. Yeah, no, I am very. I mean, it's trying to find some control in a world of chaos, isn't it?
7:30 Jessie Ware? Did you, did you get more suspicious as you became a more successful actress? Was it more like you were like, if I step on that crack, I'm not gonna get road one?
7:39 Speaker 04 You just get more insecure. Well, I think you just get more insecure as you get older, don't you? I feel like, oh, well, flying, I used to never have a problem going in an aeroplane and now I'm like listening to meditation apps. I'm jittery. I don't know. I think it's having children. I think suddenly your perceived sense of danger is so much stronger.
7:59 Jessie Ware? So it's not flying with your children? Because I know that's quite stressful.
8:01 Speaker 04 That's a whole other side of danger that, um, that is definitely not relaxing. I know my husband, um, has gone away for work and is on a plane and he was like, oh my goodness, flying without children. It's a whole other experience. It's actually pleasurable.
8:18 Jessie Ware? You can watch all your films.
8:19 Speaker 04 I know. You can sit down for more than five minutes.
8:24 Jessie Ware? Yep.
8:24 Speaker 03 But you must be all over the place anyway.
8:27 Speaker 04 Yeah.
8:27 Speaker 03 So.
8:30 Speaker 03 No, but when you're, but if you're filming, you're clearly, did you film The Brutalist in America?
8:37 Speaker 04 We shot it in Hungary, in Budapest, but it is actually set in, um, in Philadelphia.
8:43 Jessie Ware? Oh, forza.
8:44 Speaker 04 I have to think that.
8:44 Speaker 03 And you filmed it all in Hungary?
8:47 Speaker 04 So we shot, yeah, we shot the whole thing, seven weeks, eight weeks, yeah, cheaper. You get more bang for your buck in, um, in Hungary than you do in the States.
8:55 Speaker 03 So what did you do? Where did you live in Hungary?
8:57 Speaker 04 So I was living in, in Budapest.
9:00 Speaker 03 In a flat?
9:01 Speaker 04 And you have to say Budapest.
9:02 Jessie Ware? Well.
9:02 Speaker 04 You can't say Budapest.
9:03 Speaker 03 Well, you're an excellent.
9:05 Speaker 04 So, yeah, particularly after this film, I have to get it right.
9:08 Speaker 03 What was your name in the film? Just Elizabeth.
9:11 Speaker 04 Erzgebet, which is a Hungarian version of Elizabeth.
9:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, you have the same dialect coach as my daughter who acts it, Tanara.
9:21 Speaker 04 Tanara, yeah, who's brilliant.
9:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:23 Speaker 04 Who actually, I, I've started working with on The Brutalist and have worked with twice since.
9:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:29 Speaker 04 She has somehow that, working with her, I've just have found accents, I've sort of been liberated by working with her. I've just found it so much easier.
9:38 Speaker 03 She's fab.
9:39 Jessie Ware? So, so are we allowed to know what the next other accents, you don't have to say the films, but what are the other accents that you've had to learn?
9:45 Speaker 04 Well, I've been doing, um, I did a ensemble Christmas comedy over the summer holidays with Michelle Pfeiffer, the formidable, amazing Michelle Pfeiffer, playing, um, she plays the mother and it's about a family and it's a version of Home Alone where we forget our mum and leave her at home rather than a young boy.
10:05 Speaker 03 Oh, fun.
10:07 Speaker 04 And so for that I was doing an American accent.
10:10 Jessie Ware? So will that be coming out this Christmas?
10:11 Speaker 04 And that'll be coming out this Christmas.
10:13 Jessie Ware? Oh, that's, I mean, it's been a long time since we've seen you, like with Snow, Chalet Girl, you know?
10:17 Speaker 04 Yeah.
10:18 Jessie Ware? I loved Chalet Girl.
10:19 Speaker 04 I did as well. Well, thank you. Actually, for Oh What Fun, the name of the film, we were shooting in Atlanta and it was searingly hot, boiling hot.
10:30 Jessie Ware? In the summer.
10:31 Speaker 04 And we were having to put on these woolen jumpers and extra coats and kind of sweating underneath. So, um, yes.
10:39 Jessie Ware? Do, um, because I'm just trying, when did you film The Brutalist?
10:43 Speaker 04 Um, so we shot The Brutalist in.
10:48 Speaker 04 Twenty, oh god, I have to think now, twenty twenty two, twenty twenty two.
10:52 Jessie Ware? So you just had a baby?
10:53 Speaker 04 So I had, I'd had Beatrice, no, let me get this right, my mind's a bit soupy, but, so twenty twenty three. Um, we shot The Brutalist, and actually that was the year of my daughter's birth, was twenty twenty two.
11:06 Jessie Ware? Right.
11:07 Speaker 04 It's just why it's a big day in my head. But yes, twenty twenty three, we shot The Brutalist, it was around April.
11:15 Jessie Ware? And, and you were filming on film?
11:17 Speaker 04 We shot on film, um, which was, you know, Brady's ambition from the very, Brady, Paul Bay, the director.
11:25 Jessie Ware? I think it's stunning.
11:26 Speaker 04 Oh, it's always so beautiful to watch. Whenever I'm watching something, I'll be on, you know, whatever it is, and I'll go, this looks really lovely. What, and then you'll look and check on IMDb and it's, it's usually been shot on film.
11:37 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
11:37 Speaker 04 It makes such a massive difference.
11:39 Jessie Ware? But how many, how many takes did you, was it a bit like, listen, you get two goes of each scene? Or what, like how, because that shit's expensive.
11:48 Speaker 04 Yeah, I mean, we were pretty, uh, well, I, you, we knew from talking to Brady, I mean, not only, it was such an ambitious project. And so, um, so personal in some ways to Brady and Mona, his wife.
12:02 Jessie Ware? Right.
12:02 Speaker 04 They wrote the screenplay together. Yeah, it's a husband-wife team. That we knew that it was, uh, it was important that we knew exactly what we were doing before we got, got to set. And I'd have these conversations with Brady, because actually I was signed on to do the film two years before we shot. And the film had been through, you know, such a struggle to actually get it made and it'd fallen apart. And then come together and I came on in twenty twenty two. And both Stacy and Rafi were both on then, so it was the three of us. And so I'd had two years to really meditate on it, think about it, prepare, get my head in the right place to play Erjabet.
12:46 Speaker 04 And then before we started, obviously before we started shooting, um, Adrian Brody came on board and Guy Pearce. And then obviously with them, it was all, it was all good to go. But having had that time, I, I felt really I needed that prep. Yeah, because it was, it was one of the most challenging things I've done. I mean, apart from Shani Girl, which was the other. Immensely challenging role. You wouldn't put those roles together, but actually, they both kind of weirdly demanded.
13:14 Speaker 03 What did Challey Girl demand?
13:16 Speaker 04 I had to learn how to snowboard.
13:18 Speaker 03 Snowboard? Yes, that's a good point.
13:20 Speaker 04 Yeah, from.
13:21 Speaker 03 Have you ever done it since?
13:22 Speaker 04 Um, I, I did do it a bit and I went not long after I'd shot Challey Girl and in my head, I thought it was going to be so good. I had this idea and then I got up there and then we went up, I went with my husband and we went up with, um, with a teacher.
13:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:39 Speaker 04 And I was like, I've got this, I've got this. And then the moment I sort of came off the lift, like wobbled and fell flat on my face. And then consequently throughout the whole time, kept falling over. And after that, I, um, I'd done a little bit of skiing when I was younger, so I went back to skiing.
13:54 Speaker 03 Why was it so personal to Brady and his wife to write the film?
13:59 Speaker 04 Um, the film, they've spoken about this, in some ways for them, this film is about making a film. And they had had a film project that was enormously difficult, which was a struggle in the same way that Adrian Brody's character is struggling to put his artistic vision in the world.
14:17 Speaker 03 Right.
14:18 Speaker 04 They had had something similar, but they thought, it's not that interesting, making a film about making a film, let's put it into a different world. And, um, both of them, I think this was right, have had architects in their family and they're both interested in architecture. Um, and so they, yeah, then they found this story that actually on reading it, when I read the script, I thought it was, as many people have thought similarly, that it was a real story.
14:46 Speaker 03 Me too.
14:47 Speaker 04 And that they were real people.
14:48 Speaker 03 But there must be someone real there.
14:51 Speaker 04 They're, they're an amalgamation of lots of different people and people's experience who actually lived. But this story is, is, is a, is a fiction, but it's obviously informed by real events and real people.
15:05 Jessie Ware? Can we take it back to growing up in Birmingham?
15:08 Speaker 04 Yeah.
15:08 Jessie Ware? Who was around the dinner table and what were you eating?
15:11 Speaker 04 Well, growing up, food and eating was a big part of my family life. Both my mother and my father are tremendous cooks and there's always been an emphasis on um family. They both, my m- mother was one of three, my father's one of four. Big emphasis on big family meals together. Um, my mum actually did um Christmas lunch, um just gone, which was really tasty and there's nothing like having your mother's cooking. It is that, I don't know what it is, it's just, it's somehow healing in some way. Um, so I'm very lucky.
15:50 Speaker 03 Strangely, Jessie doesn't feel like that.
15:52 Jessie Ware? I know, I did think I was getting like blank stares looking back at you.
15:56 Speaker 04 I'm like, yeah.
15:56 Jessie Ware? Literally. No, you're, I love your, I love your food.
15:59 Speaker 03 We do a lot of.
16:00 Jessie Ware? I just get it every week, which I'm very lucky.
16:02 Speaker 04 Yes, yeah, the more sparing it is then the more you'd probably appreciate it.
16:07 Jessie Ware? What was, what was your favourite dish that your mum made when you were younger, or your dad?
16:10 Speaker 04 So, um, my mum would do a lovely upside down apricot pudding.
16:16 Jessie Ware? Oh.
16:17 Speaker 04 Which was, which she still does now and I'll come and I'll say, can you do the upside down apricot pudding?
16:22 Speaker 03 We need the recipe, yeah.
16:23 Speaker 04 Which is from, my mum had this collection of sort of ancient eighties cookbooks, you know, all the ones where you're looking through and you think, I'm not sure the images make the food look that appetising.
16:35 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
16:36 Speaker 04 Back in the day and everything's brown.
16:37 Jessie Ware? Yes.
16:38 Speaker 03 It's Robert Carrière and family project, yeah.
16:41 Jessie Ware? Um. Lots of illustrations.
16:44 Speaker 04 Lot illustrations and I love, I love going back home and seeing her cookbooks and they're all covered in bits, you know, you can see they've been used food and um and whatnot. So that's my particular favourite of hers and then I got my um parents were separated, so I would spend every other weekend with my father and he is also a great cook and he does a fantastic, I mean, he's from Italian heritage and so there's always lots of pasta. And he does a great um pasta with salami and parmesan.
17:17 Jessie Ware? Ooh, ooh, that sounds good.
17:19 Speaker 04 You know, so almost like a carbonara but with um salami and rosemary. Oh, lovely. It's a great one.
17:27 Jessie Ware? Is it creamy or is it kind of drier?
17:29 Speaker 04 Well, if it go, cause I do it and I can never get it as quite as good as he does it. And it's because it goes too dry and the key is that you keep the moisture in it. Um, and so that comes from, it's that thing like a carbonari, just it's the egg, it's putting the egg in and it not scrambling.
17:48 Jessie Ware? And the pasta water.
17:49 Speaker 04 So, yes, exactly.
17:50 Jessie Ware? To emulsify.
17:51 Speaker 04 That's it, and that gives you the liquidity.
17:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, Tom Carriage gave us a tip that if you want to make things like more liquid, just put water in. You don't have to put loads of cream in or butter, just put some water in. I think it's a really good tip, don't you?
18:06 Jessie Ware? Was that for your labna?
18:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, I made labna and I, I thought it was, Jessie thought it was too stiff and wanted to put olive oil in and I didn't. And he said, well, you can just put more water in.
18:16 Speaker 04 Cause sometimes you think water is sort of the enemy of cooking.
18:19 Speaker 03 No, no, it isn't.
18:19 Speaker 04 Actually, yes, in the right, in the right way.
18:22 Speaker 03 Pasta for pasta, you always use the, the water for that.
18:25 Speaker 04 Uh, yeah, amazing how many really simple pasta dishes use that, that pasta water.
18:31 Jessie Ware? Yeah. Would, are you hungry? Would you like something to eat?
18:33 Speaker 04 Yeah, I was actually wondering when, when I was going to get to eat.
18:37 Jessie Ware? Whilst mum sorts that, so, yeah, we're just gonna get you drunk, Felicity. Um, but so where did you come in your four sibling, well, the, in the four of you?
18:46 Speaker 04 So I, yes, so I'm, uh, my older brother, um, who I work with, who I have a production company with. And then it's me and then I have two younger half brother, two younger half siblings and a half sister and a half brother.
19:00 Jessie Ware? So did your brother see when you got your gig on The Worst Witch and he was thought, that looks like a good gig? I wanna work within this. Or were you inspired by your brother being passionate about TV film?
19:13 Speaker 04 Yeah, I mean, cinema was just such a big part of our household. We, uh. Um, my mother was a, is a cinephile and my father's a loves music and. I think between those, between the music and the cinema, that fusion is what my brother and I inherited. You know, that made us wanna go into the business. And I think it was going to the cinema. Watching films and theatre as well, actually, that was a big, oh, this looks yummy.
19:42 Jessie Ware? I mean, it's kind of.
19:43 Speaker 04 So who's cooked this?
19:44 Jessie Ware? We've kind of done a bit of a joint effort today. Um, so mum's made the main and I've done the sides and I apologize because I know you're on the one show later, so you're gonna have to get some gum. Cause there's a lot of onion.
19:56 Speaker 04 Oh, good. I was gonna say garlic, which is quite good if you've got a hole.
20:00 Jessie Ware? There's a, there's a little bit of garlic, but I've tried to avoid the garlic more because, you know, when it like starts being very, very. It just keeps on giving. Hopefully you won't get that today. So, yeah, so mum's made. Mum, do you wanna say what you've made or should I say?
20:15 Jessie Ware? You know, the French onion tart that you have with caramelized onions and anchovies and all that? Mum's made that. And then we've got like a chèf fennel, celery, parmesan, lemony salad for crunch and then. Tater salad. So it's kind of quite light.
20:31 Speaker 04 Yeah, lovely.
20:32 Jessie Ware? Cause you've been.
20:33 Speaker 04 Almost quite summery.
20:34 Jessie Ware? Almost.
20:35 Speaker 04 Yeah.
20:36 Jessie Ware? And then my three-year-old's made good. He's made an apple cinnamon cake for us.
20:41 Speaker 04 Oh, lovely.
20:42 Jessie Ware? He made yesterday because it went down well the day before. So I was like, well, maybe.
20:45 Speaker 04 Very good for a three-year-old.
20:46 Jessie Ware? I mean, he's, it's my nanny majority, but.
20:49 Speaker 04 Little help, a little help on the side.
20:51 Jessie Ware? He does like chefing. So, yeah, so that's.
20:53 Speaker 04 They love cooking, don't they?
20:54 Jessie Ware? Yeah, they do.
20:55 Speaker 04 They like, or they like participating. Thank you very much.
20:58 Speaker 03 I've cut it up, so.
21:00 Speaker 04 Oh, delicious.
21:01 Speaker 03 Do you need?
21:03 Speaker 04 Right.
21:04 Jessie Ware? So I, I saw your top drawer.
21:07 Speaker 04 Mmm.
21:08 Jessie Ware? And you seem like. You're you're a foodie.
21:11 Speaker 04 Um, very much, yeah.
21:12 Jessie Ware? Um, you live in West London. Um, but you were giving, you were breaking the rules by going out of West London, which I kind of loved that you did that.
21:20 Speaker 04 Well, I thought it was too hard. You know, I, there's just, there were some greats that I I had to get in there.
21:27 Jessie Ware? What's your order? Uh, is it the Punjab Palace?
21:31 Speaker 04 Punjabi Palace, which is in the Midlands.
21:33 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
21:34 Speaker 04 Which um was great when we were growing up.
21:36 Speaker 03 I have to say Birmingham is probably the best place for curry, I think.
21:40 Speaker 04 Best place in the world.
21:41 Jessie Ware? Yeah. So what's your order at the Punjabi Palace?
21:44 Speaker 04 Prawn curry.
21:45 Jessie Ware? What kind of prawn curry? Like, prawn dancer?
21:49 Speaker 04 I love a prawn booner.
21:50 Speaker 03 I knew it.
21:51 Speaker 04 Great minds.
21:53 Jessie Ware? That Birmingham connection.
21:54 Speaker 04 Yes, exactly. Prawn booner.
21:57 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:58 Speaker 04 I know, I was desperate. Well, I was desperate to do Peaky Blinders and Tom, who directed it, who I did um. The Aeronauts with, I was like, come on, Tom, come on, you've got, you know, you've got a willing actor here. Cause I just, I would have loved to have done the film, they did the film with the Peaky, they've done it.
22:15 Speaker 03 It elevated Birmingham and the Brummie accent.
22:18 Speaker 04 I listened to it and I know, I'm like, that's not right, that's right, that's not right, that's right. Yeah.
22:25 Jessie Ware? You didn't get the call. This is so annoying.
22:28 Speaker 04 I know.
22:28 Jessie Ware? They can't even get you now.
22:29 Speaker 04 I know.
22:31 Jessie Ware? You know, probably Oscar, they'll find out tomorrow, don't they?
22:33 Speaker 04 Oscar nominated, come on.
22:35 Speaker 03 Did you act at school?
22:36 Speaker 04 Did I act at school? Uh, do you know what? My main acting was from, I went to Central Junior Television Workshop. Which was, um, my father at the time was a producer, television producer at Central Television. And they had an amazing drama group.
22:55 Jessie Ware? Right.
22:55 Speaker 04 That was funded by Central Television and it was open to the entire city. And they, exactly, and Nottingham had the same one, and it's when these companies had this other side to them. Uh, which makes total sense, because when they were casting for TV programmes and things, they had a a children's drama group. And that really was, I'd done um, a drama group before that, The Custard Factory, so I'd got, I was really passionate about it at a young age. But then at Central Junior Television Workshop, I had a great, great teacher there, Colin Edwards, and um, he just gave us the, the launch, really. He ran this group and it was after school on a Thursday, I think, and I would go there every Thursday, and through that
23:40 Speaker 04 I um, had the audition for The Archers.
23:43 Speaker 03 How old were you?
23:44 Speaker 04 I think I started that when I was about eleven or twelve.
23:48 Speaker 03 When she was little Emma Grundy.
23:50 Speaker 04 Yes, tiny Emma Grundy.
23:52 Speaker 03 Have you gone back and met any of the people that play you now?
23:56 Speaker 04 No.
23:56 Speaker 03 Because Emma's just had a big moment.
23:58 Speaker 04 No, I, I, you know what, I listen every, so, yeah, I really like having um, the re, when I'm cooking, actually.
24:04 Speaker 03 And she was outstanding when she, the whole thing.
24:08 Speaker 04 Are you a big fan?
24:08 Speaker 03 Oh, I love it.
24:09 Speaker 04 I know, I could sense some evolved knowledge, yeah. Yeah, it's um, well, actually, my mother listens to it as well, so it really reminds me of her when I'm in the kitchen.
24:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:20 Speaker 04 I'll put it on.
24:21 Jessie Ware? What, they're like the Sunday Omniverse?
24:22 Speaker 04 Yeah, exactly, just the noise of the radio is so homely about it, yeah.
24:37 Jessie Ware? I wanted to ask you, if you were coming around to yours, what would Felicity Jones be, be um, I'll, I'll let my three-year-old know. Um, oh, bless him, is it dry? We'll find out. In a minute, cinnamon, apple and cinnamon cake, that's kind of had things drizzled into it, let's see.
24:55 Speaker 03 Ooh.
24:56 Jessie Ware? Oh, moist, moist.
24:58 Speaker 03 Moist, and.
24:59 Jessie Ware? But, uh, yeah, if we were coming round, what would you be cooking for us?
25:05 Speaker 04 If you came round to me, I would probably, I'd probably do crisps. As a starter.
25:13 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
25:14 Speaker 04 In a bowl.
25:15 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
25:15 Speaker 04 Maybe if you were lucky with a little um salami or something.
25:21 Jessie Ware? Oh.
25:21 Speaker 04 And some olives.
25:22 Jessie Ware? Lovely.
25:23 Speaker 04 And then I would probably most likely do a pasta and I do really like, it's very simple. Prawns, garlic and um baby tomatoes in a white wine chili sauce.
25:36 Jessie Ware? And how do you get rid of the kind of the garlic, I mean, is it quite, is everyone going home like?
25:41 Speaker 04 I like a punchy garlic.
25:43 Jessie Ware? Okay, so you don't mind that everyone's gonna go home and the vampires won't be visiting that night?
25:47 Speaker 04 Um, don't mind at all.
25:48 Jessie Ware? Do you cut your tomatoes up?
25:50 Speaker 03 The cherry tomatoes?
25:52 Speaker 04 Cherry tomatoes and I will, I'll try and put them in whole actually because. You know when they get a little bit tender and then you want the explosion of the tomato in your mouth. Whereas if you cut them up, then it's not quite the same. But the tomatoes I will put um in the oven with the garlic and olive oil and just let them sort of roast.
26:14 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
26:15 Speaker 04 And then do the prawns separately on, on the hob um with a little olive oil, garlic, chili. Um and then I'll tend to do a spaghetti and then with the pasta water and then mix them all together.
26:31 Jessie Ware? Sounds delicious.
26:32 Speaker 04 And then, yeah.
26:33 Jessie Ware? Is that, is that creamy or is that the main?
26:37 Speaker 04 That's the main.
26:38 Jessie Ware? And you're doing a salad?
26:39 Speaker 04 It's pretty, it's pretty simple and then I would, I would probably do a rocket salad with some Parmesan.
26:45 Jessie Ware? I think that sounds delicious and you know what, I never do pasta when people come over and I always love it if someone feeds it to me.
26:53 Speaker 03 I'm not confident.
26:54 Jessie Ware? I'm not confident with it either.
26:56 Speaker 04 It's delicious.
26:57 Jessie Ware? I know.
26:57 Speaker 03 It did well, didn't it?
26:58 Jessie Ware? Mmm. Yeah. Pudding, you sweet person, I mean, you talked about the apricot upside down coke.
27:04 Speaker 04 Um, which is delightful.
27:07 Jessie Ware? Have you ever served that?
27:08 Speaker 04 I, do you know what, I haven't actually cooked it myself. So that maybe I should do it when my mum comes around, she's coming around this weekend.
27:16 Jessie Ware? Oh, nice.
27:16 Speaker 04 Maybe I should surprise her with some apricot upside down pudding. Now, I'll usually do um, I like to just freestyle on the pudding and do a chocolate mousse.
27:27 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
27:28 Speaker 04 With chocolate flake. Um sprinkled on top, maybe some strawberries and raspberries. Possibly, sometimes you can do hot berries, cooked, um we've got this flavoured rhubarb vodka. And you can cook the um uh frozen raspberries or whatever fruits. Cook them in the hob and add the rhubarb vodka and it's really nice, makes almost, you know, like a little sauce to put with the chocolate mousse. Nice.
27:57 Speaker 03 So if you go to the Oscars, which I'm sure you will be, who will go with you?
28:04 Speaker 04 That's a good question.
28:05 Speaker 03 Your husband or? Here at home looking after the kids.
28:07 Speaker 04 My fa- everyone will have to fight it to the death to work out who is gonna be the, who is gonna be the guest.
28:14 Speaker 03 Who went last time?
28:15 Speaker 04 Last time, oh, actually, last time, my mother and my father and my brother, my eldest brother.
28:23 Speaker 03 Oh, great.
28:24 Speaker 04 My little younger brother and sister were too young.
28:26 Speaker 03 What are you wearing? Who's dressing you?
28:29 Speaker 04 Who am I wearing? I'm not sure quite yet.
28:31 Jessie Ware? She doesn't know whether she's going yet, mum, because she doesn't know if she's up for supporting actress yet.
28:36 Speaker 03 But they go anyway, they get invited anyway if you're part of the film.
28:40 Speaker 04 We don't want to jinx it.
28:42 Jessie Ware? No. Oh, she's superstitious, let's not do this, let's not talk about it.
28:45 Speaker 03 Golden Globes.
28:47 Speaker 04 Um, I wore Prada.
28:51 Speaker 03 Stunning.
28:52 Speaker 04 Prada.
28:53 Jessie Ware? Paddy.
28:54 Speaker 04 Prada. I wore me Prada. Got me Prada out.
28:59 Speaker 03 Did you like your outfits on in the bootlist? That hat.
29:04 Speaker 04 Um, the wig, I'm trying to remember, I loved the wig, yeah, I loved the outfits, yeah, I always, I, that's quite a process.
29:12 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:12 Speaker 04 Going through everything and figuring out what are we saying with this dress, particularly with Ersabet, who. You know, is someone who's gonna make a statement with what she's wearing. It was quite key finding the right.
29:25 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
29:26 Speaker 04 The right outfit for the scene.
29:28 Jessie Ware? When she talks about like getting her hair done, she's like, and she's just trying to make him look at her.
29:33 Speaker 04 So human, isn't it? And they haven't seen each other for such a long time and they've been through this horrendous trauma.
29:40 Speaker 03 How do you ever make it up, that, that loss of time?
29:44 Speaker 04 I, I don't know, I think that's what the film is.
29:46 Speaker 03 It's mostly about that trying.
29:48 Speaker 04 Looking at and how do you.
29:50 Speaker 03 Establish your family.
29:51 Speaker 04 How do you navigate, how do you navigate the world together?
29:55 Speaker 03 Because everyone's so damaged as well.
29:56 Speaker 04 Yeah, and that's what actually um. Adrian made a great point about how do you build such a, to use a building analogy, how do you build a foundation? When everything has been ripped away from you. How do you then, and particularly with two people who've gone through it, who've both been through trauma, it's very hard to build a sure foundation.
30:20 Jessie Ware? Before we let you go, we'd like to know your last supper for listening.
30:24 Speaker 04 Oh, yes.
30:25 Jessie Ware? So you've got a starter, a main, a pudding, a drink of choice.
30:27 Speaker 04 Okay. My, um, prawn cocktail.
30:34 Jessie Ware? Hmm, where are you getting your prawn cocktail from?
30:37 Speaker 04 Um, as in.
30:39 Jessie Ware? Is it a particular place or do you?
30:41 Speaker 04 Oh, a particular place. Just at home.
30:43 Jessie Ware? Oh, you make it? Do you make it with Mary Rose?
30:46 Speaker 04 I've made it for ages.
30:47 Jessie Ware? Mary, Mary Rose.
30:48 Speaker 04 Again, that's something else my mother used to make when we were little.
30:52 Jessie Ware? You seem such a fan of your mum.
30:54 Speaker 04 Yeah, I am.
30:56 Jessie Ware? You've got that in common, don't you?
30:57 Speaker 04 Yes, I mean, all parent-child relationships come with, you know, many features.
31:03 Jessie Ware? Yes.
31:04 Speaker 04 But, um, but I'm, I'm actually very close to both my, um, my mum and my dad. And particularly, I think, when you have children yourself.
31:11 Jessie Ware? Yes.
31:11 Speaker 04 You have a new understanding of these people and you totally, yeah, you become, you become friends.
31:19 Jessie Ware? Yeah, so you prawn cocktail first.
31:21 Speaker 04 Yes, so prawn cocktail first, homemade Mary Rose sauce.
31:25 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
31:26 Speaker 04 Um, a little bit of lettuce.
31:30 Jessie Ware? Would you put Tabasco in?
31:31 Speaker 04 Tabasco, definitely. Tabasco is the key ingredient.
31:34 Jessie Ware? Are you a hot sauce girl?
31:35 Speaker 04 I never used to be, and my husband loves chili on everything.
31:40 Jessie Ware? Oh, my God.
31:41 Speaker 04 And I found that now my, no, now my, it's gone up.
31:45 Jessie Ware? Your tolerance. You could do hot ones soon.
31:48 Speaker 04 So, what, oh, what?
31:49 Jessie Ware? Where you eat the chicken wings.
31:51 Speaker 04 Oh.
31:51 Jessie Ware? You've not seen that?
31:52 Speaker 04 No, what is that?
31:53 Jessie Ware? You literally eat like ten chicken wings.
31:54 Speaker 04 Oh, I know I did. I saw a clip on Instagram.
31:57 Jessie Ware? You'll be arsed soon, babes.
31:59 Speaker 04 Goodness, I'll have to prepare for that, yeah.
32:03 Jessie Ware? So, so you do a prawn, prawn cocktail?
32:06 Speaker 04 So prawn cocktail.
32:07 Jessie Ware? A bit big prawns or small?
32:09 Speaker 04 Actually, I quite like the small prawn. Yeah, I think it's easy, you get them in your mouth easier. I would go, I would go for eighties on it. Otherwise you have to hold the tail and suck it out, don't you? And they're really nice, you know, like French cravat, you don't, that's a whole different thing, I think. And you don't want the. Yeah. Maribou sauce with those, you want to peel them and you want kind of garlic and mayonnaise, so. Yeah. What is that? I can never know. Aioli, don't you? So, yeah, I would go for the smaller prawn and then. On the, and then the lunch would be macaroni cheese. Yum. You're not the first person to talk about mac and cheese. Coleman Domingo is in here. It's the comfort factor. Yes.
32:53 Speaker 04 With tomatoes on top. Yes, that's how my grandma made it.
32:58 Speaker 03 And she was from Birmingham.
33:01 Speaker 04 Full circle.
33:02 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's definitely a Birmingham. She used to put, drop them on the top.
33:07 Speaker 04 Oh my god, is that a Birmingham thing?
33:10 Speaker 03 And then kind of burst into the macaroni cheese.
33:13 Speaker 04 A delicacy from the heart of Birmingham. Who taught you about that, your mum? My mother.
33:19 Speaker 03 Oh, it's definitely.
33:20 Speaker 04 Oh my god, maybe we're related.
33:23 Speaker 04 It goes both ways.
33:27 Speaker 04 You do look like my sister, fuck, we should really investigate this. I feel like you can move in. Bring my family. Absolutely.
33:34 Speaker 03 And apricot upside down pudding.
33:37 Speaker 04 Or chocolate mousse.
33:38 Speaker 03 You like a chocolate mousse? Have you got a secret to your chocolate mousse, besides the flims?
33:44 Speaker 04 This isn't even homemade chocolate mousse. Oh. Where are you getting it from? Well, I like the, the bon, is it bon mignon? Oh, I love them. I quite like the bon mignon. But then I would put a little, maybe apricot upside down pudding on the. On the side, yeah. And maybe a little crème fraiche as well. Drink.
34:02 Speaker 04 Drink, um, drink would be probably nice glass of dry rosé.
34:10 Speaker 03 Oh, I love rosé.
34:12 Speaker 04 I love rosé.
34:13 Speaker 03 I don't know why I don't drink it in the winter, but I don't.
34:17 Speaker 04 It sort of goes out of fashion, doesn't it? Well, and also it's quite nice to drink red in the winter.
34:21 Speaker 03 It is nice to drink red, but people still drink white in the winter.
34:25 Speaker 04 They do, but rosé just doesn't make it over the hump.
34:30 Speaker 03 No, it doesn't, and I love it. I think I've got to go back to drinking rosé.
34:34 Speaker 04 I think you'll, you'll find a way. Yeah, yeah. Some, somehow.
34:40 Speaker 03 How long are you going to be in England for, before you whisk off again?
34:45 Speaker 04 Who knows?
34:45 Speaker 03 Oh, right.
34:46 Speaker 04 You do know.
34:49 Speaker 04 You're about to do something really exciting. You can do theatre. What about theatre? I love, I love doing theatre.
34:55 Speaker 03 Why don't you do something next, would that be good for two children at that age? I mean, I don't know. It's the worst thing to do for, if you've got children, because you have to leave so early. And you never see them at night and they're in school during the day.
35:07 Speaker 04 I don't know, I tend to think the right. It's a good excuse.
35:13 Speaker 03 I'm off to the theatre.
35:14 Speaker 04 Yeah, um, I think it depend, it depends on the project. It depends.
35:18 Speaker 03 Have you got exciting things?
35:21 Speaker 04 Well, nothing you can tell us.
35:24 Speaker 03 What is going on?
35:25 Speaker 04 Um, I've got, uh, I've got this, oh, what fun, this ensemble.
35:29 Speaker 03 Great, can't wait.
35:30 Speaker 04 Comedy. And then I did a really tiny indie movie called Train Dreams, which is our, which is going to Sundance this year. And is out, well, who knows when it'll be out.
35:42 Speaker 03 Who's in it with you?
35:43 Speaker 04 Joel Edgerton.
35:45 Speaker 03 Oh, great.
35:46 Speaker 04 Who's fantastic. Yeah, I've worked with some really great people. Joel Edgerton in, uh, Train Dreams. This last year, because we shot everything last year, and then Michelle Pfeiffer and Jason Schwartz and me.
35:58 Speaker 03 I just imagine, after one fine day with George Clooney.
36:02 Speaker 04 Oh, I love that, love.
36:03 Speaker 03 Imagine she's just, is she like?
36:05 Speaker 04 She's, oh, she's just, yeah, really cool.
36:09 Speaker 03 She's still pretty as well, isn't she?
36:11 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah, you sometimes you're just like.
36:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, she's so pretty.
36:15 Speaker 04 Face is amazing.
36:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:17 Speaker 04 Um, but I watched, re-watched one fine day, having not seen it for years.
36:20 Speaker 03 So good.
36:21 Speaker 04 And then I watched it, um, when I was working with Michelle. I know, we'd go through as the cast, um. It's Chloe, um, Chloe Grace Moretz is in it and Dominic Sessa, who was in The Holdovers and Jason Schwartzman.
36:35 Speaker 03 Who was he in The Holdovers?
36:36 Speaker 04 He played the lead.
36:40 Speaker 03 Before.
36:41 Speaker 04 Yeah, it, no, it was his, he was at drama school and it was one of his first jobs.
36:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, I loved him.
36:46 Speaker 04 Oh, and he, so he plays, so I'm the eldest and then Chloe's the middle and Dominic is the youngest. So, and we were very, we were very close, um, and Dennis Leary plays our father. Uh, but we would just go through Michelle's C V, you know, go, look at all of these, I mean, unbelievable, just one amazing director after another.
37:06 Speaker 03 Just got it to Romco.
37:08 Speaker 04 And she's a, but she's.
37:09 Jessie Ware? She's a great actress, yeah. Also, I don't know if your four year olds are too young, but we just got into Hairspray the Musical, she was very good on that too.
37:17 Speaker 04 Oh, was she in that?
37:18 Jessie Ware? Remake, she was in the remake with Tron Travolta and Zac Efron, because my son's obsessed with Zac Efron.
37:23 Speaker 04 Oh, I haven't seen that.
37:24 Jessie Ware? Yes, it, it's, it's quite fun when they're a bit older, it's really good. Um, last question, a nostalgic taste that can take you back somewhere.
37:33 Speaker 04 Um, nostalgic taste, as in a food?
37:37 Jessie Ware? It can be a taste, a scent, something that can transport you back.
37:41 Speaker 04 Oh, my, um, I have my, um, grandmother's old dressing table, um, and it's so, uh, bizarre. And I've got, you know, I use it to put my makeup on and stuff and I, um, in the drawers, when I open the drawers, it is, the smell is her.
37:58 Speaker 03 Oh.
37:59 Speaker 04 It's so insane. And I've got some of her old, she used to wear these amazing, um, silk scarves and I've got a couple of those as well. But it's literally like a time capsule. I'll open it, oh, I've just, that just brings, sometimes a smell brings someone back. So much more powerfully, doesn't it?
38:18 Speaker 03 Do you ever do karaoke?
38:20 Speaker 04 Sometimes. I haven't done it recently, actually. I feel like there was a time in my life I was always going to karaoke, so I guess it's in your twenties, isn't it? I don't really have a song. I'm not a big singer.
38:31 Jessie Ware? Have you sung in any of your parts?
38:33 Speaker 04 I'm not, yeah.
38:34 Jessie Ware? Have you sung?
38:35 Speaker 04 No, I did a disastrous musical when I was, um, when I was doing my A levels and, um.
38:42 Jessie Ware? What musical?
38:43 Speaker 04 Oh, How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying. And they should not have, I should not have been cast. I literally, I cannot keep time. I cannot keep time. I cannot sing a song and keep time with the, and I just kept looking over at the pianist and he was just looking at me like, what is she doing? It was so awful. Oh my God, I literally have like, get shakes just from thinking about it. And I was looking at the, I'd be doing these songs, you know, and I'd give it, give it my best shot.
39:12 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
39:13 Speaker 04 And I'd be looking at the audience and I'd just sort of see their faces going, oh. So, um, yeah, so I will leave singing to those who are better.
39:22 Jessie Ware? Um, Felicity Jones, thank you very much for being on the podcast.
39:26 Speaker 04 Thank you.
39:27 Jessie Ware? Best of luck with the nominations tomorrow.
39:30 Speaker 04 Oh, thank you.
39:31 Jessie Ware? And no doubt you're up for one. So deserved.
39:33 Speaker 04 Make it happen.
39:34 Jessie Ware? I think it's, I think constantly.
39:36 Speaker 03 Let's put it out into the universe that that.
39:38 Jessie Ware? When do you find out?
39:40 Speaker 04 Tomorrow afternoon.
39:41 Jessie Ware? At what time?
39:41 Speaker 04 Thursday.
39:42 Jessie Ware? They do like a readout, do they?
39:44 Speaker 04 I, I think so. I think two people read it. I mean, I don't care.
39:48 Jessie Ware? No, whatever.
39:49 Speaker 04 Whatever, Trevor.
39:51 Jessie Ware? Yeah, exactly. Um, thanks so much and best of luck with The Brutalist.
40:09 Jessie Ware? Well, Felicity Jones is fabulous.
40:12 Speaker 03 Gorgeous woman.
40:13 Jessie Ware? Lovely.
40:14 Speaker 03 Clever.
40:15 Jessie Ware? So clever.
40:16 Speaker 03 So, so bright, so interested and interesting.
40:20 Jessie Ware? Really loved having her. Um, thank you to Felicity Jones for coming on the podcast. And everyone can go and see The Brutalist now. Um, this is coming out probably when the Oscar nominations have come out. So congratulations, Felicity.
40:35 Jessie Ware? I'm sure you're up for one.
40:37 Speaker 03 I thought she was completely wonderful.
40:39 Jessie Ware? Your tart was fab.
40:41 Speaker 03 It wasn't a but today.
40:42 Jessie Ware? No.
40:43 Speaker 03 Okay. Usually it's lovely mum, but.
40:45 Jessie Ware? I'm saying nothing.
40:46 Speaker 03 You could have added.
40:47 Jessie Ware? You told me to not give you a but, so I.
40:49 Speaker 03 Keep your buts out.
40:50 Jessie Ware? Yeah.
40:51 Speaker 03 But out.
40:52 Jessie Ware? We'll see you next week.
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