1052: Github Universe Keynote Recap

Scott, Wes, and CJ report live from GitHub Universe in San Francisco, breaking down GitHub’s re-architecture for agent-scale traffic, the GitHub Copilot app, Copilot Fusion, Projects, Automations, and AI push protection. Plus hacked conference badges, a USB-C lanyard, and the Syntax macropad. Show Notes 00:00 Welcome to Syntax! 01:08 Syntax Meetup Recap in San Francisco 02:10 Our Best Swag Ever: The USB-C Lanyard 04:11 The Syntax Macropad: How CJ and Wes Built a Web Configurator 07:37 GitHub Universe Swag, Good and Cringe, Plus the Matching Mugs 09:52 Hacking the GitHub Universe Badges: Wes’s Photo Booth Printer 13:15 Scott’s Badge: Pinball, a Bug Shooter and a Music Sequencer 15:34 The Scale of GitHub in 2026: Pushes, Commits and Actions Octoverse: Commits, pushes, reach new highs in 2026 as developers build with agents 17:19 Performance and Reliability: How GitHub Is Re-Architecting for Scale The bridge to agent-scale Git infrastructure 19:49 The GitHub Copilot Desktop App and Team Collaboration 21:10 Copilot Projects: Shared Chat and Agents Across Repos Working with projects in the GitHub Copilot app Managing agent sessions 22:15 Wishing for Sign In with ChatGPT in Copilot 23:37 Copilot Fusion: Single, Cascade and Critique Model Orchestration About GitHub Copilot Fusion Project HydraFusion: Frontier quality via multi-model orchestration 27:22 Session Continuity Across Every Surface: Do We Still Need Editors? Continue a session from another client 29:24 Copilot Automations: Scheduled and Event-Driven Cloud Agents Copilot automations 31:06 Will Enterprise Buy-In Pull People Back to GitHub? 33:09 GitHub Advanced Security: Secret Scanning and AI Push Protection 35:20 Closing Remarks: 1% of the Code We’ll Write in Five Years 36:47 Developer Burnout, Constraints and Reading the YouTube Comments Hit us up on Socials! Syntax: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Wes: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Scott: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Randy: X Instagram YouTube Threads

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:01Wes Bos?

  Who's kicking it off?

• 0:02Scott Tolinski?

  Welcome to Syntax. Today, we're gonna be talking about all the stuff that's been going on at GitHub Universe. We are here live in the studio. As you can tell, it's not our normal look. Actually, no, we've upgraded. This is our normal look.

• 0:13Speaker 02

  Imagine now, we're taking over.

• 0:15Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 0:15Wes Bos?

  What a hell of a set. It's like, it's like we're on the news. Who would be the, who would be the weather?

• 0:21Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 0:21Wes Bos?

  Who's sports and who's news?

• 0:23Speaker 02

  I'm weather.

• 0:23Wes Bos?

  You're weather?

• 0:24Speaker 02

  You're weather.

• 0:24Wes Bos?

  Scott's sports.

• 0:25Scott Tolinski?

  I guess I am.

• 0:25Wes Bos?

  I'm news.

• 0:26Scott Tolinski?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 0:27Wes Bos?

  This is ridiculous.

• 0:28Scott Tolinski?

  I was gonna say, weather might be because you get to move around a lot, and I like to do that, yeah.

• 0:31Speaker 02

  I've always worked on a blue screen, though, so.

• 0:33Scott Tolinski?

  Okay, yeah, you do have the blue screen down. Uh, we're here in San Francisco, folks, and there's been a lot of stuff at GitHub Universe. We had a awesome Syntax meetup. Wes is talking into the microphone right now. Wes, what's up? What do you want to say?

• 0:44Wes Bos?

  I, I was gonna do the hilarious thing where I pretended I walked down the stairs.

• 0:49Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 0:49Wes Bos?

  Should I do it?

• 0:49Scott Tolinski?

  Well, the, the, I mean, I guess now is kind of an odd time to do it, but.

• 0:53Wes Bos?

  I'm doing it.

• 0:56Scott Tolinski?

  Congratulations, Wes. Uh, you've gone, you've gone downstairs. I love that.

• 1:02Wes Bos?

  Sorry, we don't get a set often. This is really cool.

• 1:04Scott Tolinski?

  We don't get a set often, no, and it kind of makes me want to build one of these. Uh, so, we had an awesome meetup last night.

• 1:10Wes Bos?

  Yes.

• 1:10Scott Tolinski?

  At the Bear Bottle. We've been talking about it for weeks now, and weeks and weeks and weeks, and thank you to everybody who came out. It was a huge crowd of people and all kinds of stuff going on. Guys, you want to tell everybody about what happened?

• 1:21Wes Bos?

  Yeah. It was, it's tragic.

• 1:24Scott Tolinski?

  Yes, can we talk about what happened?

• 1:25Wes Bos?

  What happened? Well, there was a gorilla at one point that came by.

• 1:29Scott Tolinski?

  A gorilla?

• 1:29Wes Bos?

  Basically, we had, I don't know, a couple hundred people come through, uh, meetup, talked to a lot of people who enjoyed the podcast. We gave out some absolutely sick swag, which we'll talk about in just a sec.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Our best swag.

• 1:40Wes Bos?

  Some of our best swag, yeah, we're gonna show you it and a couple stories behind that. But it's just so cool to meet up with everybody in San Francisco.

• 1:49Scott Tolinski?

  This is our third year doing it? It was awesome every time. So, yeah, very stoked about that. It was a great time. So if we do this again next year, please, if you're in the area, come on out. It's a, it's a great time.

• 1:58Wes Bos?

  Yeah, or tell us, like, what other city we need to go, because we've done Hamilton, Toronto.

• 2:02Scott Tolinski?

  Denver.

• 2:03Wes Bos?

  Denver, San Francisco.

• 2:04Scott Tolinski?

  Amsterdam.

• 2:05Wes Bos?

  Amsterdam. Where else, friends? Leave a comment below.

• 2:09Scott Tolinski?

  Yes.

• 2:10Wes Bos?

  But let's talk about the swag.

• 2:11Scott Tolinski?

  Yes.

• 2:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, so we had, um, dongles that had Syntax on them. Do we have an example of one?

• 2:18Scott Tolinski?

  Dongles?

• 2:18Speaker 02

  Uh, not dongles, uh, lanyards. Oh, I think I have one, I have one.

• 2:21Wes Bos?

  You got one? Man, we're not very prepared here.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Not very prepared. But the, uh, the lanyard is USB-C.

• 2:28Scott Tolinski?

  And it was, it's so convincing as a lanyard and not as a USB-C cable.

• 2:32Wes Bos?

  I got one.

• 2:33Scott Tolinski?

  We had to tell every single person. By the way, this is a USB-C cable. You would not have any idea, yeah.

• 2:38Wes Bos?

  The problem with meetups, you get a lanyard and then you, you're either the person who puts all of them on their wall.

• 2:44Scott Tolinski?

  Wes going into sales mode here.

• 2:45Wes Bos?

  You immediately throw it in, and we thought, like, care about the environment, we don't want more junk. So, the lanyard for the Syntax meetup was this, like, woven, nice lanyard, but, ready? Boom!

• 2:58Speaker 02

  USB-C.

• 2:59Wes Bos?

  USB-C, both ends, beautiful cable.

• 3:03Speaker 02

  Can I just say, this was my, this was my idea? Can I say that?

• 3:05Wes Bos?

  It was, actually, it was CJ's idea.

• 3:07Scott Tolinski?

  You can say that because it's true, yeah.

• 3:09Speaker 02

  Fantastic, thank you.

• 3:10Wes Bos?

  Ideas are CJ's ideas.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  The other thing was also my idea. We'll get to that.

• 3:13Wes Bos?

  Okay. They're, actually, every, every good idea is CJ's idea. Most bad ideas are for me.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  Just making sure I get the credit.

• 3:18Wes Bos?

  Um, but, like, we looked around for one.

• 3:21Speaker 02

  Thank you, CJ. You're very welcome, you're very welcome.

• 3:22Wes Bos?

  I had heard from a couple people at a couple other conferences that they got these and they sucked. And we made sure, like, they're, sometimes you get them, they're just charge-only and they don't work and whatever. But we got these. We made sure that they were data, and we didn't think that they would, like, do super-fast charging or whatever. But we, we clocked it, and it was doing 60 watts.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  60 watts?

• 3:44Wes Bos?

  60 watts. It was, it was charging my MacBook, like, just fine.

• 3:48Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, yeah, it's a good thing you brought that, because we, we had the tester, we had no idea.

• 3:51Wes Bos?

  Yeah, we had no idea if they would, like, even support data, which they do.

• 3:54Scott Tolinski?

  They do?

• 3:55Wes Bos?

  Um, I don't know if it's USB-C or USB-3 data. Well, it all clocked the speeds, but, I don't know. Cool, cool little, um, piece of memento.

• 4:04Scott Tolinski?

  Folks, and if you were at the meetup and you got one of these and you did not know it was USB-C, it is USB-C. Uh, what do we want to talk about? The, the other item that we had? We had these little macro pads, which have a joystick and a rotary dial. Uh, and then we had a whole, uh, whole bins full of all the keycaps. So you, the initial idea was that you would make this as your name tag. That was the initial idea. And then when we, we saw them, we were like, oh no, these are way too big.

• 4:30Wes Bos?

  I don't, we didn't, we didn't calculate how big they would be, even though, like, it's a standard keycap.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  You can do the math.

• 4:36Wes Bos?

  We have the math, but we thought you could hang it around your neck. Way too big, but, like, we got them. There's a battery in there, it's got Bluetooth, it's got a, uh, USB dongle, and also you can do it wired.

• 4:46Speaker 02

  And 2.4 gigahertz, yeah.

• 4:47Wes Bos?

  2.4 gigahertz.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 4:48Wes Bos?

  And, so the manufacturer that made these, they sent us, uh, like, a website that you can use to configure it. Didn't work.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  Didn't work.

• 4:56Wes Bos?

  And then they sent us, like, a Windows EXE, no chance.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  We don't got Windows.

• 4:59Wes Bos?

  So CJ, how did we do it?

• 5:01Speaker 02

  We, uh, we raced, even though we didn't know we were racing. Because, so.

• 5:06Scott Tolinski?

  I got some good footage of that race, by the way.

• 5:08Speaker 02

  We're sitting in the meeting, technically, we were supposed to be in the meeting, brainstorming the future of Syntax, like, next year, but.

• 5:13Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  Um, I started prompting, and, um, so I downloaded the Windows app, I pointed Claude at the website, and I was like, let's figure this out. Like, we want to make our own web configurator. Um, what can you do, Claude? And apparently you did the same thing at the same time.

• 5:26Wes Bos?

  Yeah, I started thinking, like, what's the standard, like, keyboard customizer?

• 5:31Speaker 02

  Q and K.

• 5:32Wes Bos?

  Q and K. So I, I was like, okay, this is maybe Q and K.

• 5:35Speaker 02

  That's what I thought.

• 5:36Wes Bos?

  Claude, can you poke at it and go back and forth? And it found the device, but it, like, couldn't figure out what, what it was.

• 5:41Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:42Wes Bos?

  And then, eventually, mine got to, like, downloading the EXE, but CJ gave the EXE right away.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  I started there.

• 5:48Wes Bos?

  Decompiled the whole thing, figured out how to talk back and forth to it, and.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  And there was one more EXE I had to find that they didn't link us to, um, but that was the one that unlocked it.

• 5:58Scott Tolinski?

  Can I, actually, can I just say this? If Syntax sucks over the next year, it's entirely CJ and Wes's fault for not participating in our meeting.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  We weren't paying attention.

• 6:06Wes Bos?

  And not, I mean, every time I was looking over at CJ, he was.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  No, I was looking up while doing this.

• 6:11Wes Bos?

  It's RGB, and you can do, like, custom macros?

• 6:15Speaker 02

  We didn't know it was RGB. We didn't, like, there's so many things that it has that they didn't tell us.

• 6:19Wes Bos?

  Yeah, and you can, like, so you can go to the website, you can assign the keys to, like, any letter, but then you can also assign it to, like, multiple keys or, or a macro or media keys.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, by default, the, the knob here controls your volume.

• 6:32Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  You plug it in.

• 6:33Wes Bos?

  Yeah, and you have a joystick. What are you, what are you, what are you gonna do with this joystick?

• 6:35Speaker 02

  Uh, it's just up, down, left, right.

• 6:37Wes Bos?

  I know, but what are you, what are you gonna do with it?

• 6:38Scott Tolinski?

  You can do anything you want.

• 6:39Wes Bos?

  What are you gonna do with it? Not what, what can you do?

• 6:41Scott Tolinski?

  Well, like, I probably use that as a modifier.

• 6:43Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 6:44Scott Tolinski?

  A space and space left.

• 6:46Wes Bos?

  Oh.

• 6:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:47Wes Bos?

  Oh.

• 6:47Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 6:48Wes Bos?

  But we could do some.

• 6:49Scott Tolinski?

  It's cool, instead of having to do it on, like, a, like a carabiner elements, you don't have to do it in software, because it's, like, literally on the device.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  And it just shows up as a keep, there's no custom driver. It just shows up as a USB HID device, and that's actually how it programs it as well.

• 7:02Scott Tolinski?

  I'm gonna start doing some Street Fighter.

• 7:04Wes Bos?

  That's pretty cool. It's a pretty cool little device.

• 7:06Speaker 02

  I think we're gonna try to put a few in the Syntax shop.

• 7:08Wes Bos?

  Uh, yeah.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  We gave them away at the meetup.

• 7:10Wes Bos?

  We gave away quite a few of them.

• 7:11Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, people have been asking about them, so, yeah.

• 7:14Wes Bos?

  Kind of a fun little thing. And just being able to, like, create a custom configurator. Uh, it's at keyboard.syn-tax.com if you want to check it out, and you can put question mark demo in the, in the URL if you don't actually have a keyboard.

• 7:26Scott Tolinski?

  You actually want to see the demo, yeah.

• 7:27Wes Bos?

  And then we also got it, like, 3D rendered as well, which is a kind of a cool thing.

• 7:31Scott Tolinski?

  I gotta say, it's cute as hell. It looks great, yeah.

• 7:33Wes Bos?

  It's cute as hell, so, that's what we did with our time here.

• 7:37Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, so, uh, we're at, we're GitHub Universe. We mentioned that before.

• 7:40Wes Bos?

  Yes.

• 7:40Scott Tolinski?

  Uh, this is a big conference. It's always a big conference.

• 7:43Wes Bos?

  Massive.

• 7:43Scott Tolinski?

  Uh, you can tell it's a big conference.

• 7:45Wes Bos?

  I can fathom how much money it costs to run this thing. It's just unreal.

• 7:49Scott Tolinski?

  Just even being in the studio right now.

• 7:51Wes Bos?

  Oh, yeah, big thing.

• 7:52Scott Tolinski?

  There's drinks.

• 7:53Speaker 02

  Drinks, coffee, snacks.

• 7:54Scott Tolinski?

  Water. Lots of water.

• 7:56Speaker 02

  Swag, free swag.

• 7:57Scott Tolinski?

  Swag. Did you get any good, particularly good swag, Wes?

• 8:01Wes Bos?

  Um, let me see, let me think about that. The Sentry swag was really cool. We had a couple keyboards there, we had Syntax coffee cups there.

• 8:08Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 8:09Wes Bos?

  Sentry's got some plushies, bucket hat. I don't know, who, who's got the best swag? There's a lot of awful swag here. There's, like, the amount of people that just ChatGPT'd the logo and printed it on a tee.

• 8:20Scott Tolinski?

  ChatGPT a logo on a tee.

• 8:22Wes Bos?

  Their whole team is wearing it.

• 8:24Scott Tolinski?

  Sorry, folks.

• 8:24Speaker 02

  I'm not afraid to say it.

• 8:25Wes Bos?

  So cringe.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  Cringe AI art. It's not great.

• 8:28Wes Bos?

  Holy hell.

• 8:28Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 8:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, so.

• 8:30Wes Bos?

  Don't do that, folks.

• 8:31Scott Tolinski?

  Don't do that, and here's another thing you probably shouldn't do. Don't go, don't come to GitHub Universe this year, see some swag you like and be like, oh, let's do that next year.

• 8:38Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  Make it your own.

• 8:39Scott Tolinski?

  Well, because we, we see so many things that were just somebody clearly, we're like, well, that was good for last year.

• 8:44Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 8:45Scott Tolinski?

  Let me just do that again this year, and it's like, okay, you gotta come up with something.

• 8:48Wes Bos?

  Interesting, there's not any t-shirts this year. Two years ago, I think I probably got, like, 10 t-shirts.

• 8:54Scott Tolinski?

  Oh, there's t-shirts, you gotta look for them. They're not everywhere. There's hats.

• 8:57Wes Bos?

  Lots of hats this year.

• 8:58Scott Tolinski?

  A lot of plushies.

• 8:59Wes Bos?

  Lot of plush, yeah.

• 9:01Scott Tolinski?

  Dog toys in the future. Uh, I, yeah. Could we, could we talk about our mugs being the exact same lot as GitHub's?

• 9:09Wes Bos?

  Yes, so tell the story.

• 9:11Scott Tolinski?

  So, we got these awesome diner mugs. In fact, I think I got one right now.

• 9:14Wes Bos?

  Let's see it.

• 9:15Scott Tolinski?

  So, okay, we got one of these, uh, and we got these mugs, and then we noticed that it looks suspiciously like the GitHub mug.

• 9:22Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 9:22Scott Tolinski?

  They also had here, and then, so we looked on the bottom, and they are the exact same lot number.

• 9:28Wes Bos?

  Meaning that they were cast in the same factory.

• 9:31Scott Tolinski?

  They were cast in the same factory.

• 9:32Wes Bos?

  Went to maybe two different printers, maybe to the same printers.

• 9:36Scott Tolinski?

  Two different printers.

• 9:36Wes Bos?

  And then made their way back to the, the same thing in Fort Mason Center.

• 9:40Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 9:41Wes Bos?

  Yeah, kind of cute, but this is our clanked-out design.

• 9:44Speaker 02

  And we got some stickers with that on there, too?

• 9:45Wes Bos?

  Yeah, we got some stickers with the clanked-out design on it.

• 9:47Scott Tolinski?

  Yes, yes, yes, we got all kinds of stickers, yes. Okay, let's talk about the event here.

• 9:52Speaker 02

  Well, badges first, right?

• 9:53Wes Bos?

  Badges.

• 9:53Scott Tolinski?

  Badges.

• 9:54Speaker 02

  Let's talk about the badges. So, like every year, they, they give us a digital badge, but Wes and Scott were special this year. They got their badges ahead of time, and they got to hack on them ahead of time.

• 10:05Scott Tolinski?

  We're not special just this year, we're special every year.

• 10:07Speaker 02

  They're special every year, and I'm not. I just got the sponsor badge.

• 10:09Wes Bos?

  CJ is salty every year.

• 10:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm, I'm salty. Uh, so many people didn't know who I was at the meetup. I just kept telling them I was the intern.

• 10:17Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, it's TJ over here.

• 10:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, TJ the intern.

• 10:20Wes Bos?

  He's the guy that has all the good ideas.

• 10:22Scott Tolinski?

  So, the guy who wrote down, because we, we had a thing to get into the meeting, you had to say who the hosts of Syntax were.

• 10:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:28Scott Tolinski?

  And somebody said CJ, Wes, and Jared.

• 10:31Wes Bos?

  Jared.

• 10:32Scott Tolinski?

  And that guy.

• 10:34Speaker 02

  He was there.

• 10:34Scott Tolinski?

  He was there, and he apologized, he came up and apologized to me. He's like, I'm sorry, I just totally blanked. Called you Jared. And I was like, hey, that's fine. That's hilarious. We were cracking up about it.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  We found him, though, because we were talking about him in the team meeting. We were like, this guy put down Jared, who's this? And we, we found him.

• 10:49Wes Bos?

  Okay, very funny. If, if we want to settle this once and for all, though, if you go into the Google Search Console for Syntax website, the searches are for, are just CJ, Syntax are way, way higher than Wes Syntax or Scott Syntax.

• 11:04Scott Tolinski?

  Now, we discovered that Courtney Tolinski ranked higher than Scott Syntax.

• 11:08Wes Bos?

  Scott's wife brings in more traffic to the website than Scott himself.

• 11:15Scott Tolinski?

  That's crazy and insulting, folks.

• 11:16Wes Bos?

  Yes. Please, everyone, can you please go search Scott Tolinski syntax right now?

• 11:21Scott Tolinski?

  Please do that.

• 11:22Wes Bos?

  Click through to it. We need to up his numbers. It'll help.

• 11:24Scott Tolinski?

  Get those up.

• 11:24Wes Bos?

  But, okay, so the badges that they give you every year, these are made by a company called Pimmarini. And I'm working on a video explaining a little bit more about it, but they're really neat because they have a tiny little Raspberry Pi chip inside of it. It's not like a Raspberry Pi Linux computer that you're probably thinking. It's more like a tiny microcontroller, like an ESP32. And on these badges, they have the ability to run. It's a special flavor of Python called MicroPython used for running it on here. So you can essentially build any software that you want. There's a whole gamepad that is on here. There's a whole bunch of different buttons you can press.

• 12:07Wes Bos?

  And then on the back, there is an I squared C input device. Oh, I just.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  You unplugged it.

• 12:12Wes Bos?

  I accidentally just printed one of my photos here. So having it early this year, because in the past two years, I've done a little bit of poking around and hacking on mine. So what I did is I took an ESP32, which is a secondary microcontroller. And that has a camera on it. And then I also soldered in two LEDs that are 5 volt. Wired that whole thing into the back, which is over I squared C. And I made a little photo booth, so I'm able to now. Jeez.

• 12:43Scott Tolinski?

  It's like a Game Boy camera.

• 12:44Wes Bos?

  Come on, guys.

• 12:47Wes Bos?

  It should print. There we go. It is connected to a Bluetooth Cat printer. And then it will send the photo. It runs it through a dithering algorithm because you can't print black and white very well unless you dither them. And maybe we can, I'm not sure if we can get that or not on the thing, but.

• 13:06Scott Tolinski?

  It printed.

• 13:07Wes Bos?

  Nice little.

• 13:08Scott Tolinski?

  Hey, that's a successful demo. It worked. Yes.

• 13:10Wes Bos?

  It actually works really, really well.

• 13:12Scott Tolinski?

  Yes.

• 13:12Wes Bos?

  And it's really fun. These badges, if people are walking around, Scott, let's tell us about yours.

• 13:16Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, so I actually made three things. I made a pinball game, a syntax pinball game that was really fun. I made a first-person shooter in the style of like Wolfenstein or Doom, where you're shooting bugs with a keyboard. But the best thing I did is like similar to Wes, I took an ESP32 and soldered an amplifier to it and then connected a microphone to that amplifier. And then I built a sequencer and kind of music performance app.

• 13:48Scott Tolinski?

  And so you can change the key. There's a visualizer in here. There's a whole son designer. So you can modify any of the force sense. There's a whole ass sequencer in here. I've been having so much fun with this thing. I really wanted to hook up to an accelerometer, but I ran out of time.

• 14:05Wes Bos?

  It's a really neat package that it has. So it has a Wi-Fi Bluetooth accelerometer, GPIO pins. This year, they don't have exposed GPIO pins. I'm told because they ran out of GPIO pins because they added the accelerometer. And that's because they want you to be able to, when you're wearing it, flip the badge upside down and play.

• 14:25Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 14:25Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:26Wes Bos?

  With it, so that it'll just turn it over.

• 14:28Scott Tolinski?

  Oh, yeah. So the gamepad. Yeah.

• 14:30Wes Bos?

  The gamepad.

• 14:31Scott Tolinski?

  I was playing the gamepad like this and my hands were covering the screen.

• 14:35Wes Bos?

  Yeah, flip it upside down.

• 14:37Scott Tolinski?

  I 3D printed this little case for mine, too.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  It looks great.

• 14:39Wes Bos?

  That's really cool.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  Good color.

• 14:41Scott Tolinski?

  You had like a nice board to everything solder to.

• 14:43Wes Bos?

  I exposed mine. I was so worried I wouldn't get on the plane with something looking like this.

• 14:47Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, mine was looking kind of sketch, too, in my bag.

• 14:49Wes Bos?

  Yours looks a lot better.

• 14:50Scott Tolinski?

  Well, it didn't have the case on it in the bag. But then I was like, you know what? Just slide it on there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 14:57Wes Bos?

  Looks good. It's fun. Like, I encourage people to pick up something like this. This is a nice package because it.

• 15:04Scott Tolinski?

  It's a nice pack.

• 15:05Wes Bos?

  It has everything. It has.

• 15:06Scott Tolinski?

  If you look at that package.

• 15:07Wes Bos?

  It has a great package.

• 15:08Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 15:09Wes Bos?

  accelerometer, multiple inputs, I squared C, meaning that like you can go on Amazon and buy I squared C, like a speaker, or you can buy, I have a thermal camera that you can hook it up. And these things are all just standard inputs. And then you just open up your coding agent and boom, you're making hardware.

• 15:29Scott Tolinski?

  Boom, you're making hardware. Boom. Yes. All right. Sick. Do we want to get into the GitHub universe stuff?

• 15:35Wes Bos?

  Yes.

• 15:36Scott Tolinski?

  Okay.

• 15:36Wes Bos?

  Yes, let's talk about it.

• 15:37Scott Tolinski?

  Wes and I had front row seats to the keynote. Unfortunately, CJ.

• 15:41Speaker 02

  I was in the back. Again, intern CJ. Does not get special.

• 15:45Wes Bos?

  Next chair, we'll get CJ up front.

• 15:47Scott Tolinski?

  CJ, let me just say, you didn't have to pay the price of having to declare yourself as an influencer to the people.

• 15:53Wes Bos?

  Okay.

• 15:54Scott Tolinski?

  That was the.

• 15:56Wes Bos?

  Poor people.

• 15:57Scott Tolinski?

  The fee of.

• 15:57Wes Bos?

  Trying to see that.

• 15:58Scott Tolinski?

  Are you an influencer?

• 15:59Speaker 02

  Are you an influencer?

• 16:00Scott Tolinski?

  Yes, I'm an influencer. Yeah.

• 16:03Wes Bos?

  But we got nice front row seats. And.

• 16:06Scott Tolinski?

  Except for CJ.

• 16:06Wes Bos?

  I don't know. Let's talk about like, what did they announce in the GitHub keynote? We have another one coming up with Kyle Dagel of COO of GitHub. We're going to talk to him a lot more about like the uptime and how they have improved.

• 16:21Scott Tolinski?

  Put him to the flame.

• 16:22Wes Bos?

  We're gonna grill him.

• 16:23Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 16:23Wes Bos?

  But let's talk about what they did announce. What do you got, guys?

• 16:26Speaker 02

  I think the biggest, the upfront, just talked about the growth of people using GitHub just over the past year.

• 16:33Scott Tolinski?

  Over the past year.

• 16:34Speaker 02

  Over the past year. So in 2025, there were 6.7 billion pushes to GitHub. In 2026, and 2026 isn't even over yet. We're in October. There have been 17.9 billion pushes. In terms of commits, there were 12.9 billion commits in 2025, 34.3 billion commits in 2026. In terms of actions, there were 14 billion in 2025, 45.4 billion in 2026. Explosive growth.

• 17:00Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 17:01Speaker 02

  And I mean, these numbers kind of explain why we have seen outages from GitHub over the past year.

• 17:07Scott Tolinski?

  Mm-hmm.

• 17:07Speaker 02

  Which they did talk about. They're going to do some stuff about. And we're probably going to grill Kyle about that when we talk to him. To me, these numbers are just unfathomable.

• 17:15Scott Tolinski?

  45 billion actions, Josh.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  Billion actions.

• 17:19Wes Bos?

  They did kind of come like hat in hand, being like, it is not acceptable, the downtime we had.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  Yes, absolutely. They didn't end up to it.

• 17:27Wes Bos?

  Like, I'm not going to try to be like a GitHub apologist here, but like, I don't know that I could have been able to keep it up. You know, like, so what they have said they've done is they are re-architecting a lot of their infrastructure. What I understood from is they're decoupling a lot of how the things work. You know, if something is very heavy on the CPU or storage, they don't necessarily block each other. They're moving, obviously moving a lot of it over to Azure, which is kind of good. They've got some servers there. They said they've deployed something like, what, 4 million more CPUs and a bazillion more petabytes of data.

• 18:04Scott Tolinski?

  Yes.

• 18:04Wes Bos?

  Of storage.

• 18:05Scott Tolinski?

  Can we just say some big numbers?

• 18:06Wes Bos?

  Yes.

• 18:06Scott Tolinski?

  20 trillion. Yes, petabytes.

• 18:09Wes Bos?

  20 billion trillion. It's a lot.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  I have the exact ones here. Yeah. I mean, so they added 4 million new CPU cores. They added 160 petabytes of high-speed storage and 50 terabytes of capacity.

• 18:21Scott Tolinski?

  Yes.

• 18:21Speaker 02

  So.

• 18:22Scott Tolinski?

  Compute.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  Massive amounts.

• 18:24Wes Bos?

  Lot of compute. And it's not just like they just added more servers and let it work. Because I don't think that the problem that GitHub was having was simply just, you just need more compute.

• 18:33Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 18:33Wes Bos?

  It was that like everything was very tightly integrated on you. You have a git push and then that maybe sets off indexing in search. Maybe it sets off a bunch of GitHub actions. You know, there's just so many things that happen when something changes on GitHub. And then when that is happening many times per second.

• 18:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:53Wes Bos?

  Across thousands and millions of repos, that gets very hard to do. So it sounds like they've really peeled it back and like realized, how can we build this thing so it will scale?

• 19:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, and scale it.

• 19:04Wes Bos?

  Infinitely.

• 19:05Speaker 02

  And one of the metrics they mentioned in their testing is so they took 24 hours of the busiest open source repo and like all of the stuff that could be happening there in terms of like pushes and pull requests and merges and branches. They took 24 hours, compressed it down to one minute. All of that same traffic within one minute. And this new stack did not break a sweat, is what they said. So very soon, we'll see this at the rest of GitHub. I think like they're doing something like internal testing, but by sometime next year.

• 19:35Wes Bos?

  They said early next year, this should be available to everybody who uses GitHub.

• 19:39Scott Tolinski?

  Yes.

• 19:40Wes Bos?

  And that therefore should improve a lot of the downtime, the nines that they have lost with all of this stuff.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  But let's talk about new like apps, new announcements. They talked about a lot of Copilot stuff. So I haven't played around with, I think it's Copilot Desktop.

• 19:57Wes Bos?

  Yeah, what is the official name? Is it Copilot Desktop, Wes?

• 20:00Scott Tolinski?

  It's GitHub Copilot. That's the app.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  GitHub's it? Okay.

• 20:03Scott Tolinski?

  But yeah, that's the desktop application.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 20:05Scott Tolinski?

  GitHub Copilot Desktop.

• 20:07Wes Bos?

  Which is their like.

• 20:08Scott Tolinski?

  Yes.

• 20:09Wes Bos?

  Their version of Cloud Code Desktop.

• 20:13Scott Tolinski?

  Yep.

• 20:13Wes Bos?

  ChatGPT slash Codex. You know, everybody's got a desktop application. And this isn't just new. Like, it's been out for a while. I've used it a handful of times for different projects. And it's actually a really nice, really nice application. I feel like it does a good job at taking a lot of the chaos of like having lots of connectors and lots of agents running at a single time and subagents and.

• 20:37Scott Tolinski?

  I don't use it either. And to avoid telling like, oh, where I GitHub universe, let's say like nice thing to talk it up. I thought it'd be looking good on stage.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  It did. One of the main things that stood out to me is just like collaboration. Because like I've seen Claude Desktop or like the Codex Desktop. And it looks great for like one developer, but GitHub is about collaboration. And so they showed how you could have a chat thread where multiple people on your team can fire off agents and see agents in the background and like multiple people can interact in that thread as well. So the collaboration aspect looked really cool to me.

• 21:10Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, and there was like, yeah, Copilot Projects, too, was a part of that. I know that's jumping in our notes here.

• 21:16Speaker 02

  No, it's fine. Yeah.

• 21:16Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, but like, yeah, I mean, you could connect various projects together. I'm going to actually apologize, folks, because during, I'll tell this personally, during the keynote, I had had too much caffeine. So I was kind of flying on another planet at that point.

• 21:31Wes Bos?

  Scott was going through it.

• 21:32Scott Tolinski?

  I was kind of going through it. CJ, you want to pick up the Copilot Projects? So I don't say anything stupid?

• 21:36Speaker 02

  No, of course. And it kind of just looks like a place where you have a thread, you can chat. You have your shared chat. And then they also mentioned you can run your agents locally or in the cloud.

• 21:48Scott Tolinski?

  Yep.

• 21:49Speaker 02

  That's the other vibe I was getting from all of this stuff is like, it's very integrated. Like you can use the mobile app, you can use web, you can use desktop.

• 21:56Scott Tolinski?

  Pick it up here or there. Yeah.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  And no matter where you're running your agents, you can see them all within that dashboard.

• 22:01Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, and you can connect multiple repos together in chat sessions.

• 22:06Wes Bos?

  Set up recurring work.

• 22:07Scott Tolinski?

  Yes. Oh, yeah. Set up automations.

• 22:09Wes Bos?

  Very similar to like a lot of these applications is you can do everything in that application. The one like thing, I'm kind of hoping that they would announce this and maybe they wouldn't. But like, I was kind of hoping they would have sign in with ChatGPTs. Because this was something that OpenAI announced, which is if you want to use your. Codex subscription. I hate saying ChatGPT subscription. It's too much of a mouthful. You want to use your Codex sub?

• 22:34Scott Tolinski?

  Yep.

• 22:34Wes Bos?

  On any other application, sure. Just sign in with ChatGPT and you can use your, you can use your thing. And that's cool because now people can have apps where you can just sign in and use your own, your own plan for that.

• 22:46Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 22:46Wes Bos?

  And GitHub Copilot allows you to use external providers, but only with API tokens.

• 22:53Scott Tolinski?

  Yep.

• 22:54Wes Bos?

  So, and like, nobody's, no one's, no one's burning just straight up API tokens unless you're in enterprise land, right? You, most people are, have a sub for these types of things. So.

• 23:03Scott Tolinski?

  You know what I find really out about their login flow still?

• 23:05Wes Bos?

  What?

• 23:06Scott Tolinski?

  Is that you still have to, you do the login flow.

• 23:09Wes Bos?

  Who's login flow?

• 23:09Scott Tolinski?

  Uh, ChatGPT's with their login. It still takes you to some local host, whatever. And if you're not on the same machine, it just does a, and you're supposed to copy and paste that URL to have it.

• 23:21Wes Bos?

  That's O off, baby. That's O off.

• 23:23Scott Tolinski?

  We're like, at least.

• 23:24Wes Bos?

  I don't think they can solve that.

• 23:25Scott Tolinski?

  Where at least they'll just give you a screen with a code.

• 23:28Wes Bos?

  Yeah, yeah. The scan the code is nice. You're right.

• 23:31Scott Tolinski?

  With the token in it and have it parse it. Not that, it's not like a hard thing. It's just a weird.

• 23:35Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. Another thing, Copilot Fusion, they announced, and so.

• 23:41Scott Tolinski?

  And Wes kept on, kept on wondering if they were going to announce a model, but.

• 23:44Wes Bos?

  I thought, I, well, not thought, but I was hoping that the big announcement would be, by the way, here's the Microsoft. Here's our frontier model.

• 23:53Scott Tolinski?

  Would they do that at this conference though?

• 23:55Wes Bos?

  Well, the thing is that like you, they're not waiting for Microsoft build. That's in like eight months for now. Well, maybe they are.

• 24:03Wes Bos?

  But like, I thought like, Google's put theirs out.

• 24:06Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 24:06Wes Bos?

  That's not very good, but they put it out. So now they have their, their frontier model. But like Microsoft doesn't have, they're the big boy, right? Like even in the law, the demos, they're, they're using.

• 24:17Scott Tolinski?

  They're using Codex.

• 24:18Wes Bos?

  Boy, yeah. You know?

• 24:19Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 24:21Wes Bos?

  So I was hoping they would. They didn't, but.

• 24:23Scott Tolinski?

  Instead.

• 24:23Wes Bos?

  They have.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  Fusion.

• 24:26Wes Bos?

  They didn't announce this fusion, but they were, I don't think a lot of people knew about what fusion was. Explain it.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think now it's generally available. So like they internally, they had a thing called Project Hydra Fusion, which was like a research preview.

• 24:36Scott Tolinski?

  It's a cool ass name.

• 24:37Speaker 02

  It's a cool, cool name.

• 24:37Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  But now Copilot Fusion will be available for everyone. And when you first hear about it, it kind of sounds like a model router. Like basically it just would decide what model to send your prompt to, depending on how complex it is. But looking into it, it's a bit more complex than that. So there's three modes. They have single mode. And that does, one model completes the task. So you choose like, do you want to use the Luna or Soul or whatever else? And they also have.

• 25:01Scott Tolinski?

  Do we choose that or does it choose that?

• 25:03Speaker 02

  I haven't seen the details, but I would imagine that I get to choose. Like if I'm using one, I want to choose.

• 25:09Wes Bos?

  If you want to, yeah. If you want to use one model, you choose single mode. And if you want Cascade, what is that for?

• 25:14Speaker 02

  So this is, um, what, what's interesting is that it, a judge will inspect drafts. So it'll basically do multiple runs on your prompt, inspect all of those, and then decide which one it should accept. Or if it needs to escalate that up to a higher, higher model. This is just like more layers on your prompting, right? Instead of getting back an immediate response from the AI. Now there's more processing happening on the backend that will potentially get you a better response by sending it off to a stronger model. And, and looking at that draft.

• 25:47Wes Bos?

  So it sounds like, like you spend a bit of tokens from several models to draft a, I don't think it's a very big response. But enough of a response that you'd be able to programmatically decide which model to then send it to.

• 26:02Scott Tolinski?

  Yes.

• 26:02Wes Bos?

  How they're doing that, I don't know.

• 26:04Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah. And they were saying it was quite a bit cheaper too.

• 26:07Wes Bos?

  Well.

• 26:08Scott Tolinski?

  In token spend.

• 26:08Wes Bos?

  Yeah. Because often, you know how many times they said, what's the URL or start the dev server?

• 26:14Scott Tolinski?

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:14Wes Bos?

  You know?

• 26:15Scott Tolinski?

  Make the background color red. Yes.

• 26:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. It goes to the dumb model.

• 26:17Wes Bos?

  It doesn't, you don't need expensive model for that, but I'm not switching for that. Or even just like for simple tasks of like whatever, I don't necessarily always just, hmm, which one should I use today? I think choosing a model will very quickly become like a non-issue. For coding, maybe not, but for like all of your day to day stuff, you know, like Muse, Grokbot, all these things. These are awesome tools and they're all running on not the best models.

• 26:45Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:46Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  And I think I misspoke a little bit. So this one doesn't do multiple drafts. It's a single draft that then decides if it goes to a stronger model. The multiple drafts is the, the last one here, critique. So critique, drafts a response with multiple models independently. Critiques them in parallel. Feedback is then aggregated. And then the original model revises its response based on that combined feedback. So this is, uh, like on superpowers. Like have multiple runs all running on your same prompt. And then look at the response, pick the best one and, and draft a, a combined response from all of that.

• 27:20Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah. Yeah. Uh, there's also, I think one thing especially that like Wes noticed, then they showed, they're talking about continuity. Right? Across all of GitHub's platforms. Uh, Wes was like, those are so many surfaces.

• 27:33Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 27:33Scott Tolinski?

  Like they showed VS Code.

• 27:35Wes Bos?

  Unfortunately, they only mentioned, they mentioned VS Code once.

• 27:39Scott Tolinski?

  Oh, VS Code. They, they.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  Once.

• 27:41Scott Tolinski?

  If, if you were to like, look at a chart of VS Code.

• 27:43Wes Bos?

  My brother VS Code.

• 27:45Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah. Last year.

• 27:46Wes Bos?

  Last year, the whole, the whole keynote was VS Code.

• 27:49Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 27:49Wes Bos?

  This year, I think they said, yeah, you can open it in VS Code if you want. And then they also showed all their surfaces, which is the mobile app, GitHub itself, VS Code.

• 28:01Speaker 02

  Copilot CLI.

• 28:02Wes Bos?

  Copilot CLI and Copilot Desktop. I think five different surfaces. Oh no. And then Teams and Slack. Because like you can also, like a lot of this is getting done simply just inside of your chat, right?

• 28:14Scott Tolinski?

  R I P to the folks using Teams. Sorry, folks. Sorry that you have to do that.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  You're totally right though. Like, I mean, will, will, will we get to a point where people aren't using editors at all?

• 28:25Wes Bos?

  Uh, I think so, unfortunately.

• 28:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. And we're getting there. We're like, just everything's a prompt or everything's in the browser or like you just tell your agent to do it.

• 28:32Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  And so at that point, you kind of just need a, maybe a spot to look at reviews, but you don't necessarily need an entire editor.

• 28:38Wes Bos?

  Yeah. And it's like, most of these have full in editors for them, but they're just, they're just a bit more of a remix of the UI. Because the agents were all just tacked into a sidebar that they really needed to kick people out of that and bring the agents front and center.

• 28:55Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah. You know what I found funny? When we were sharing photos of, of the Copilot app, was people would respond, it looks like Codex. Looks like Cursor.

• 29:03Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 29:04Scott Tolinski?

  Looks like this.

• 29:04Wes Bos?

  We're all building the same thing.

• 29:05Scott Tolinski?

  They're all look the same. What do you mean it looks like Cursor? They all look the exact same. There's no differentiators really. Yeah. Yeah.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  I think it makes sense though. Like when all of your compute is now on agents and in the cloud, it doesn't make as much sense to have an editor that is your local file system anymore. So putting it in the browser or wherever else makes a lot more sense.

• 29:23Scott Tolinski?

  Yep. Yeah. Uh, let's talk about the automations. Uh, I'd be liking automations in my stuff. And I think the one thing that I've been doing more is automation. So like having automation to pull in, uh, Sentry stuff. And, and do that work on my machine or pull in issues or pull in this or that, or, or even like pull in, uh, you know, security alerts. Pull in security alerts, see which of these, which of my projects are affected by this and, and throw up a PR. So the Copilot automation stuff I thought was really cool and it was baked into all of their surfaces. So basically allowing you to run the Copilot Cloud Agent automatically on a schedule. And they used Sentry in their demo, which was sick.

• 30:03Wes Bos?

  Yeah, hell yeah.

• 30:04Scott Tolinski?

  Yes. I'd love to see that.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. Shout out Sentry. Yeah. This reminded me of the, the Swamp Club stuff that you guys were talking about.

• 30:10Scott Tolinski?

  About, yeah.

• 30:11Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 30:12Speaker 02

  Where, but now it's kind of like built into GitHub where you take these like reproducible workflows and host them in, in the cloud of sorts.

• 30:19Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah. Run them on a schedule or in response to events like this Sentry will shoot a webhook message and then you can collect that. And then fix the bug automatically, create a PR for you, review it, all that stuff.

• 30:29Wes Bos?

  With all of this stuff, it's very clear that they want to sort of take back, like we are, we want to be the whole harness. Of like where software is happening. And this is not just an add-on because it's, I think they said it's available on, to everybody. Only you pay for like token usage, of course.

• 30:47Scott Tolinski?

  Right.

• 30:47Wes Bos?

  Yeah. But anybody with a, I think a paid GitHub account will then have access to the software, meaning that like it, it's tip to tail. It's going to cover absolutely everything.

• 30:57Scott Tolinski?

  Tip to tail.

• 30:58Wes Bos?

  It's tip to tail.

• 30:59Scott Tolinski?

  Table.

• 30:59Speaker 02

  Root to leaf.

• 31:00Wes Bos?

  Farm to table.

• 31:01Scott Tolinski?

  Yes. Yes. It's XLR to XLR, one end to the other.

• 31:06Wes Bos?

  Yeah. Well, here, well, here's a question. Do you think this is gonna, do you think these announcements of like, are going to pull people back to, to using it?

• 31:15Speaker 02

  I think a lot of people already had enterprise plans. It's not like you drop that overnight.

• 31:19Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  So I think it's like, you already, you already locked into your plan.

• 31:22Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  So you, now you have all these other features, like why not use them instead of trying to adopt a whole new stack or get a different subscription somewhere else?

• 31:30Wes Bos?

  I think people underestimate the Teams-ification of enterprise. Is that like?

• 31:36Wes Bos?

  Nobody wants to use Microsoft Teams, but more people use Microsoft Teams than Slack.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:41Wes Bos?

  It's just there. And like, we're gonna see it with like, I think Salesforce or something? I forget who it was. But one of these companies was just like, you can only use the models through our Microsoft provider, you know? And we're gonna start seeing that. Because like, well, we pay for this plan, and it includes like, Google's doing this already as well. Like, you pay for Google AI Ultra, you get YouTube Premium with it.

• 32:04Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:04Wes Bos?

  And, and like, cloud storage and photos and AI.

• 32:08Speaker 02

  And AI.

• 32:09Wes Bos?

  And like, you get it all. Like, that's happening in enterprise as well. People are gonna be like, well, we're already paying for.

• 32:13Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, we bought the meal. You now you have to eat it.

• 32:16Wes Bos?

  Yeah, now we're just gonna.

• 32:17Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 32:17Wes Bos?

  We're gonna include it all. So like, I think people underestimate

• 32:21Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 32:22Wes Bos?

  that the power of enterprise buy-in.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  Definitely. And they did say that if you're in enterprise, you can use all of the features that they announced today without a separate subscription. So that's definitely what they're doing.

• 32:32Scott Tolinski?

  It is funny, because we aren't enterprise folks, but Sentry is pretty enterprisy in ways. And like, it was always, that was like a big transition to move into that. Because I'd always worked in small agencies. I worked for myself. You're dealing with, you know, 20 people on a team, 40 people on a team, or whatever. It's such a different world out here, folks. Man, it is, it is a different enterprisey world.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  Definitely.

• 32:54Wes Bos?

  And you also like, we always talk about how cheap Cloudflare is. Why do you think Cloudflare is so cheap? It's because enterprises are paying bucks to them, you know? Like, that's where the money is made.

• 33:04Scott Tolinski?

  Hey, thanks for picking up the bill.

• 33:05Wes Bos?

  Yeah. Thanks, enterprise.

• 33:07Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Nice. Last bit of news was about security. So this was really cool to see. So now built-in, they have built-in secret scanning, and then AI push protection. So they did a live demo where they accidentally included like, a secret in their commit, and it actually blocked the push from happening to GitHub. So that's really cool to see, like, especially as agents are pushing more code, people are vibe coding.

• 33:33Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 33:33Speaker 02

  There's gonna be built-in protections to stop you from pushing your database secrets up to GitHub. And that makes it so that, like, it doesn't even make it into the Git history at that point, right? Blocks it before it even reaches there.

• 33:44Wes Bos?

  Wait, does it run on commit?

• 33:47Speaker 02

  It runs on commit, but on the server itself. So before.

• 33:51Wes Bos?

  What about it? What if you do to?

• 33:51Scott Tolinski?

  How does that work? Commit on local.

• 33:53Speaker 02

  Well, you commit local. The commit is local, but when you try to push that commit up, it doesn't make it to the remote. So you'd have to amend your commit.

• 33:59Wes Bos?

  Oh, okay. Yeah, and it'll probably suggest to you how you can amend that commit.

• 34:03Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 34:04Wes Bos?

  Yeah, and Git's not impossible anymore now. We have agents.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. Ask your agent to amend your commit. Yeah.

• 34:09Scott Tolinski?

  Yes, how to, how to tree pick or remove this one?

• 34:13Wes Bos?

  I feel like they already had this as well. Like, there's always, I keep seeing these TikToks of people being like, you can just go on GitHub and search for like, API keys. And you can find them. I'm like, no, you can't. Like, you immediately, yeah. Show me, show me a single API key that you can actually use that you found on GitHub search.

• 34:30Scott Tolinski?

  I don't want to, because I don't want to go to the jail. I don't want to break the law here.

• 34:32Wes Bos?

  No, there's not. It's not. Any, anytime one of your API keys were to leak, immediately those things are upstream flagged.

• 34:40Speaker 02

  And I don't think you can search history, but it might be people have bots scanning like, new pushes.

• 34:44Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  And you might, yeah, you might be like a catch.

• 34:47Wes Bos?

  Yeah, you might have like a couple of minutes. You don't want it to be pushed.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:50Wes Bos?

  But before then. But I wonder how they're doing this. It probably is multi-layered, where like, one of them is just a regex, you know? Because you can, you can regex most API keys for those things.

• 35:01Scott Tolinski?

  There's other things that Git guardian already kind of do some of this.

• 35:03Wes Bos?

  Yeah. Yeah. And then they probably have just a very, very cheap specialized model running against it that is fast enough to run against every piece of code.

• 35:14Speaker 02

  Or like a decision model of some sort.

• 35:15Wes Bos?

  Yeah, yeah. Jevin it, you think?

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Jev it up.

• 35:17Wes Bos?

  They got Jev in there.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  Nice. There were some, some closing remarks that I thought were interesting. And they, so they said, "All of the software ever written will amount to 1% of what we'll write in the next five years."

• 35:31Scott Tolinski?

  Holy crap.

• 35:33Speaker 02

  And again, that's just unfathomable scale. Like, the amount of code.

• 35:36Wes Bos?

  All of it. All of the software ever written.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  Ever.

• 35:39Wes Bos?

  Will amount to what?

• 35:41Speaker 02

  1%.

• 35:42Wes Bos?

  1% of the amount.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  Will write in the next five years.

• 35:45Wes Bos?

  So 2% in the next two and a half years.

• 35:47Scott Tolinski?

  Carry the one, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 35:50Wes Bos?

  That's a lot.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  It's a lot of code.

• 35:52Wes Bos?

  It's like, how do they know that?

• 35:53Speaker 02

  Well, it, you know, it's just an, again, estimate and extrapolation. But, but looking at how many more pushes, how many more commits, how many more action runs you had, like.

• 36:02Scott Tolinski?

  They have the data more than anyone else has the data.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  Right. They have the data.

• 36:06Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 36:06Speaker 02

  To extrapolate. But that's the world we're living in. Like, just that amount of agents writing code and pushing things and, yeah, it's unfathomable.

• 36:15Scott Tolinski?

  When do we have enough code?

• 36:17Wes Bos?

  Never.

• 36:18Scott Tolinski?

  What if there was a limit? They were just like.

• 36:20Wes Bos?

  We haven't found the limit yet.

• 36:20Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, yeah. You cannot push until you delete X amount of lines from, from your repos.

• 36:25Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 36:26Scott Tolinski?

  You have done too much code.

• 36:28Speaker 02

  We have a quota, a limit of your code. Yeah, I mean, at cleaner code bases, right? You gotta clean it up before you push it up.

• 36:34Scott Tolinski?

  Yes, we used to have constraints, and now there's no constraints.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  Push all the code.

• 36:38Scott Tolinski?

  Yes. I do miss constraints, don't you?

• 36:41Speaker 02

  I do.

• 36:41Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah. I think my mental health misses constraints.

• 36:46Wes Bos?

  Oh, that's great. Yeah, we talked to quite a few people at the meetup that were just like, it's, it's really funny talking to people when they're one or two drinks in and they're in person. But just like, a lot of people are just like, feeling this weird mix of excitement and burnout all at the exact same time. And like, we can't keep doing this, you know?

• 37:06Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah.

• 37:07Wes Bos?

  And like, these are, these are not just like, these are some, like, notable developers that I have talked to that are, people that are like, high in this industry that you wouldn't think that are saying this. But they're, I think everybody is feeling the, feeling that crunch right now.

• 37:19Scott Tolinski?

  Everyone's feeling the crunch.

• 37:21Wes Bos?

  Yeah.

• 37:21Scott Tolinski?

  And so we, I think we get it, some of the YouTube comments being frustrating. They're looking at me talking about the YouTube comments that they clearly got to me sometimes.

• 37:27Wes Bos?

  Scott, poor Scott, just sitting eating lunch. He just reads the comments.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  Like, every five minutes.

• 37:31Wes Bos?

  If you want to piss Scott off, please leave a little book of a comment for him.

• 37:36Scott Tolinski?

  You know what? Whenever, whenever it comes up, we always get a bunch of comments from people who are very nice and lovely, being like.

• 37:41Wes Bos?

  Show us the feet.

• 37:43Scott Tolinski?

  No, not that. Well, they do say that. But the people saying like, "Oh, and, you know, Scott, you're doing a great job. I appreciate the encouragement." I am fine, folks. I, I, I do, I do sometimes, I don't really replace doom scrolling with comments scrolling.

• 37:59Wes Bos?

  Comments scrolling, yeah.

• 38:01Scott Tolinski?

  Yeah, you can see like, smoke coming out of my ears.

• 38:03Wes Bos?

  Leave me a nice comment, folks.

• 38:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, the nice ones are great. The, the mean ones hit hard, but when I see a nice one, it makes it all better.

• 38:09Wes Bos?

  I don't mind the mean ones either, because sometimes, sometimes there's a shred of truth in there that.

• 38:14Scott Tolinski?

  Sometimes you deserve it. It ticked the heart.

• 38:15Wes Bos?

  Yeah. No, it's the biggest good info there. And it makes me reconsider. So I highly appreciate it.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  And then sometimes people are just saying they don't like the way my face looks, and that's not very nice.

• 38:25Scott Tolinski?

  Well, that is, no, no, that's not very nice.

• 38:28Wes Bos?

  I like the way your face looks.

• 38:29Scott Tolinski?

  I do too, CJ, yeah.

• 38:30Wes Bos?

  It's a great face.

• 38:31Scott Tolinski?

  Yes.

• 38:31Wes Bos?

  Anyways, I think that's all we got for today. We wrap it up.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:34Wes Bos?

  Beautiful. Thanks, everybody, so much for tuning in. Thank you, GitHub, for having us here in this newscaster booth, reporting live. This is Wes. What do they say at the end of the news?

• 38:45Speaker 02

  And that's the way the cookie crumbles.

• 38:46Wes Bos?

  Check your, check, what do they like, say like, it's 10:00 PM. Do you know where your kids are?

• 38:51Scott Tolinski?

  Oh, yes.

• 38:52Wes Bos?

  Yeah. Peace.