SYSK’s Fall True Crime Playlist: The Unsolved Indiana Dunes Disappearances

In July 1966, three women out for a day at the beach waded into the water of Lake Michigan, got onto a boat and were never heard from again. To this day, not a trace of them has ever turned up and theories of what became of them abound. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:04Josh Clark?

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• 1:40Josh Clark?

  The Indiana Dunes disappearance is one of the lesser-known cases in American true crime. One day in July 1966, three women went for a day at the beach along Lake Michigan in northwest Indiana, not too far from Chicago. They vanished that day, and no trace of them has turned up since. It's one of our sadder true crime episodes because not only are the women presumed dead, their families never got even a hint of resolution. Listen to this one and see what you think happened.

• 2:11Speaker 00

  Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeart Radio's How Stuff Works.

• 2:21Josh Clark?

  Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. There's Josh T., guest producing away over there. And that makes this Stuff You Should Know super duper mysterious mystery edition.

• 2:37Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 2:38Josh Clark?

  This is a super mysterious one. Super duper, you could say.

• 2:42Speaker 04

  This is a good one. I never heard of it.

• 2:44Josh Clark?

  I hadn't either.

• 2:46Speaker 04

  Maybe we should have a spinoff show, just about mysteries and missing persons.

• 2:51Josh Clark?

  I've long thought that.

• 2:52Speaker 04

  Yeah?

• 2:53Josh Clark?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:54Speaker 04

  But then everyone's like, nah, just put them on Stuff You Should Know.

• 2:56Josh Clark?

  Yeah, every once in a while. Pepper it.

• 2:58Speaker 04

  Well, you gotta spin it out.

• 2:59Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 3:00Speaker 04

  Spin it off.

• 3:01Josh Clark?

  The Cleveland Show?

• 3:04Speaker 04

  Oh, man. I never watched that. Was it good?

• 3:07Josh Clark?

  I never watched it either.

• 3:08Speaker 04

  You weren't a Family Guy fan, though, were you?

• 3:10Josh Clark?

  I mean, it's fine, but no, I wasn't a fan.

• 3:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:13Josh Clark?

  All right, what about Laverne and Shirley? What is this, Laverne and Shirley?

• 3:18Speaker 04

  A spinoff from Happy Days, right?

• 3:19Josh Clark?

  That's right, Chuck. Ooh, let's do this.

• 3:21Speaker 04

  And Morgan Mindy spun off, too.

• 3:23Josh Clark?

  Mm-hmm. What is this, Too Close for Comfort?

• 3:29Speaker 04

  Was that a spinoff?

• 3:29Josh Clark?

  You got this, man.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  Too Close for Comfort. He wasn't. No, I don't know. What was it?

• 3:37Josh Clark?

  Oh, no, I'm sorry.

• 3:38Speaker 04

  I was about to say, I don't think that's right.

• 3:40Josh Clark?

  What is this, The Ropers?

• 3:43Speaker 04

  Oh, well, sure. Free's Company.

• 3:45Josh Clark?

  Okay.

• 3:46Speaker 04

  What is this, After Match?

• 3:48Josh Clark?

  Right. I thought Too Close for Comfort was a spinoff. I think it might be.

• 3:54Speaker 04

  Well, my first guess was it was, might have been Ted Knight's character from The Mary Tyler Moore Show.

• 4:00Josh Clark?

  Man, that was such a good show.

• 4:01Speaker 04

  But that's not true, because in Too Close for Comfort, he was a cartoonist.

• 4:05Josh Clark?

  That's right.

• 4:05Speaker 04

  Remember?

• 4:06Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 4:06Speaker 04

  And the only thing I remember, well, I remember a lot about that show, because I loved it. I was in love with those daughters, man.

• 4:13Josh Clark?

  I don't remember them.

• 4:14Speaker 04

  I mean, that was the whole setup is that their daughters lived in the same house.

• 4:17Josh Clark?

  Mm hmm.

• 4:17Speaker 04

  Or next door or something.

• 4:19Josh Clark?

  And caused trouble?

• 4:20Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, you know, they were just a couple of.

• 4:23Josh Clark?

  Hellraisers?

• 4:23Speaker 04

  Hellraisin beauties. And, uh, who was the guy, uh, that was so great?

• 4:28Josh Clark?

  I think you're talking about Charles in Charge.

• 4:30Speaker 04

  No, I'm thinking of Too Close for Comfort, but he was a cartoonist and he would wear college sweatshirts.

• 4:36Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 4:36Speaker 04

  As part of his character.

• 4:37Josh Clark?

  Uh huh.

• 4:38Speaker 04

  And he wore a Georgia Bulldog sweatshirt one time and I was, I thought it was the coolest thing ever. It's like, how did they know that that's a thing?

• 4:44Josh Clark?

  You're like, I'm basically on TV right now.

• 4:47Speaker 04

  That's what it feels like.

• 4:50Josh Clark?

  Oh, man, alright.

• 4:51Speaker 04

  Monroe, that was him, the Monroe character, Jim J. Bullock.

• 4:54Josh Clark?

  Ted Knight?

• 4:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, Ted Knight was the lead.

• 4:58Josh Clark?

  The main guy, Jim J. Bullock, man, what was he, Hollywood Squares?

• 5:02Speaker 04

  Uh, sure, among other things like Too Close for Comfort.

• 5:05Josh Clark?

  Does, uh, does this kind of a tangent if we haven't actually gotten started?

• 5:10Speaker 04

  No, this is a preamble.

• 5:11Josh Clark?

  Okay, preamble.

• 5:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:13Josh Clark?

  Nicely done, Chuck.

• 5:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is a good one and you put this together. Um, where'd you get most of this stuff?

• 5:19Josh Clark?

  Wrote it myself.

• 5:20Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 5:21Josh Clark?

  There's one part that I was like, here, this is just easier if I copy and paste, uh, from a Chicago Tribune article from 1987.

• 5:28Speaker 04

  I read that one.

• 5:29Josh Clark?

  It's very good. There's, that's one of the things about this case is, is anyone who kind of gets involved in this will see. There is not a lot of information out there.

• 5:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, and funny enough, one of the biggest mysteries of this whole thing is what kind of boat that was.

• 5:43Josh Clark?

  Mm hmm.

• 5:44Speaker 04

  Which we'll get to.

• 5:45Josh Clark?

  That was my bad.

• 5:46Speaker 04

  Well, no, man, I saw in a couple of other articles, it called this boat a, a trimaran, which is very much a catamaran.

• 5:54Josh Clark?

  Right, they made the same, the same, uh.

• 5:56Speaker 04

  So they were just wrong?

• 5:58Josh Clark?

  Yes.

• 5:58Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 5:58Josh Clark?

  Yeah, because it's the same thing. I saw a tri-hold, I was like, oh, it's a tri-cat, which is a sailboat. And that's what I thought it was. No, there's a tri-hold speedboat called the Runabout that was kind of big in the 60s.

• 6:10Speaker 04

  Well, more specifically, it's a tri-hold Runabout. A Runabout doesn't necessarily mean it has three hulls.

• 6:16Josh Clark?

  Okay.

• 6:17Speaker 04

  But those are my favorite boats in the world, so these 50s and 60s fiberglass Runabouts.

• 6:21Josh Clark?

  This is the.

• 6:22Speaker 04

  They're amazing.

• 6:22Josh Clark?

  50s and 60s Runabout of all time.

• 6:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:26Josh Clark?

  With three hulls.

• 6:27Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 6:28Josh Clark?

  You thought one was crazy, just get ready for three.

• 6:33Speaker 04

  So, yeah, the boat will come up and I had to mark out Tricat in just about 75 places.

• 6:41Josh Clark?

  I'm very sorry. That was again, my bad.

• 6:44Speaker 04

  So what we're talking about here, finally now, is the disappearance of three young women in suburban Chicago in the mid 1960s at Indiana Dunes State Park on Lake Michigan.

• 6:59Josh Clark?

  Yeah, now it's Indiana Dunes National Seashore, National Lakes Shore.

• 7:03Speaker 04

  National Lakes Shore.

• 7:05Josh Clark?

  But at the time, it was a state park and this is Saturday, July 2nd, 1966.

• 7:10Speaker 04

  That's right. The three women, there was a 21-year-old named Patricia Blau.

• 7:16Josh Clark?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 7:18Speaker 04

  She went, she got in her car, which was an 11-year-old at this point, Buick sedan, 1955 Buick, went to pick up her friends, Ann Miller at her house, she lived with her folks, and then to her other friend, Renee Bruhl, who was the only one who was married, went to pick her up at her house. They were 19 and 20 and they were like...

• 7:41Josh Clark?

  19 and 21.

• 7:43Speaker 04

  I think one of them was 22, at least. 19, 20, and 21 is what I saw.

• 7:46Josh Clark?

  Oh, is that right? Okay.

• 7:47Speaker 04

  But those are nitpicky details.

• 7:49Josh Clark?

  Sure.

• 7:50Speaker 04

  They were all late teens, early twenties and...

• 7:53Josh Clark?

  Wait a minute, did you just call me nitpicky?

• 7:55Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no.

• 7:56Josh Clark?

  I think you did.

• 7:57Speaker 04

  No.

• 7:57Josh Clark?

  Okay. Did you just call me a liar on national TV?

• 8:01Speaker 04

  TV?

• 8:02Josh Clark?

  I think you just did.

• 8:03Speaker 04

  Ann and Patricia were friends, they were horse riders and they were friends from these horse stables, but they were all three buddies, not since grade school, but for the last couple of years, it seems like.

• 8:14Josh Clark?

  Right, yeah, and they all lived around Chicago and that's where they were traveling, about 60 miles, 80 miles, I've seen both, to Indiana Dunes State Park to just basically go hang out on the beach that day. Again, it was Saturday, it was the July 4th weekend.

• 8:29Speaker 04

  Crowded.

• 8:30Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 8:30Speaker 04

  Super crowded.

• 8:31Josh Clark?

  They were just going to the beach to have some fun, as most people think. They got to the beach by 10 a.m., parked the Buick, hiked over the dunes on the kind of rickety boardwalk over to the beach and set up camp, I think about 100 yards from shore. That's a pretty substantial beach.

• 8:49Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 8:49Josh Clark?

  Either there, they hiked 100 yards and set up near the beach. It might be the latter of the two.

• 8:55Speaker 04

  That sounds more right.

• 8:56Josh Clark?

  And on this weekend, again, because it was July 4th weekend, the beach was just absolutely packed. And this is Lake Michigan, which is a pretty, pretty big lake. And this beach itself, or this park itself, I think is like 26 miles of shoreline or something like that. But even still, there's like 9,000 people on the beach that weekend.

• 9:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, I saw nine to 10,000 people, four to 5,000 cars in the parking lots, and four to 6,000 boats in the water, so.

• 9:22Josh Clark?

  Packed.

• 9:22Speaker 04

  Just packed. It's like Jaws or something up in there.

• 9:25Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 9:26Speaker 04

  Amity Island, 4th of July.

• 9:28Josh Clark?

  So, the, Renee and Patty set up shop, put down their beach blanket, just kind of close by to this teenage couple, who are like their beach neighbors, you know.

• 9:43Speaker 04

  I imagine everyone was pretty close.

• 9:44Josh Clark?

  Sure, kind of.

• 9:45Speaker 04

  With that many people.

• 9:46Josh Clark?

  Elbow to jowl, isn't that what that's called?

• 9:48Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 9:49Josh Clark?

  Okay. And this teenage couple kind of factor in big time, but just kind of note their presence for now.

• 9:57Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 9:58Josh Clark?

  So, about noon, Chuck, well, actually, the teenage couple factor in now. They noticed that the three women were wading into the water about noon. So, I guess for about two hours, they were just kind of hanging out in the sun, and they got hot enough to go into the water about noon.

• 10:15Speaker 04

  That's right. And that was the last time that this couple saw them.

• 10:20Josh Clark?

  Maybe.

• 10:21Speaker 04

  Perhaps. The day went on, they never came back. This teenage couple said that their stuff's still laying here. You know, they may be off partying somewhere, so, you know, they didn't think like, these three young ladies are missing and perhaps murdered.

• 10:39Josh Clark?

  I think they were worried that their stuff might get stolen.

• 10:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think it was as innocent as that.

• 10:43Josh Clark?

  Yeah, the teenage couple, they were about to leave and they didn't want to just leave it there. They felt kind of somehow responsible for it, like you will.

• 10:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, which is what you did in 1966.

• 10:51Josh Clark?

  Or today, still, if you're a decent person.

• 10:53Speaker 04

  That's right. So they went to a ranger and they said, hey, these young women were here, they left their stuff. The ranger thought the same thing. He's like, well, let me just take care of this stuff and collect it. And so it doesn't get stolen, they're probably off partying. But that was the last that anyone saw, these three young women. No one, to this day, knows what happened. They vanished, literally, without a trace.

• 11:18Josh Clark?

  Yeah, there's never been any evidence of what happened to them. No trace of them, no nothing, nothing, from that point on.

• 11:27Speaker 04

  I think we should take an earlier break because of that dumb, long preamble.

• 11:32Josh Clark?

  Okay.

• 11:33Speaker 04

  And this is a great little spot for a cliffhanger.

• 11:35Josh Clark?

  Okay.

• 11:36Speaker 04

  So we'll be right back.

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• 15:18Josh Clark?

  Okay Chuck, so about 18 hours after that park ranger collected their things, I'd say around dusk, a call came in to Indiana Dune State Park Ranger Station. And it was from Harold Blaw, or Blaw, Patty's father. And he wanted to know if the Rangers had seen his daughter because she had been reported missing by her family back in Chicago, like, you know, a few hours before.

• 15:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, so they went through her stuff, the Rangers did. They found a set of car keys that had a little miniature Illinois license plate that matched a license plate in the parking lot.

• 15:59Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 16:00Speaker 04

  Either a great coincidence, or you could get those custom-made at some little beach shop.

• 16:05Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 16:05Speaker 04

  Which is probably what happened. So, they find her car, they found her Buick there, in the parking lot. Indiana State Police say, "We're gonna take over here because it's pretty clear that this is a missing persons case."

• 16:18Josh Clark?

  Yeah, and so they, it was obvious that they had, they had never left the park, or at least they hadn't left, you know.

• 16:25Speaker 04

  In the car.

• 16:26Josh Clark?

  Right. And they left their car, they left their stuff, that's suddenly very highly suspicious. The idea that they were just off partying is suddenly kind of a tenuous theory, you know?

• 16:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, like, left all their stuff, like purses and personal stuff.

• 16:40Josh Clark?

  We should, we should talk a little bit about that. They left, yeah. Money in their wallets, they left their transistor radio, they left their magazines open, they left their suntan lotion. It seemed like the way they left their stuff, that they were planning on just getting into the water and then coming back from the water, and then that was that.

• 17:00Speaker 04

  Right.

• 17:00Josh Clark?

  There didn't seem to be any kind of forethought to their stuff.

• 17:05Speaker 04

  Right.

• 17:06Josh Clark?

  And then the fact that their car was still there, and this was a full day after they had last been seen, it was suspicious. So the-

• 17:15Speaker 04

  Like if they were going to party, they would have said at least like, "Oh, let me grab my purse."

• 17:19Josh Clark?

  Right. By now, a night had come and gone, and the next day was already, you know, halfway done, and they, there was nothing. That'd be a hell of a party.

• 17:30Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 17:31Josh Clark?

  So, people started to get kind of worried, and they started to search the park, and they couldn't find them anywhere. And that's when the police became involved, when it was obvious that they were no longer in this park, even though they didn't seem to have left, which means they just kind of vanished.

• 17:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, and they had a pretty big search party. They had soldiers volunteering from a missile base, they had, obviously, the sheriff, had the Civil Air Patrol get involved. I think Patty's dad was a, was he a pilot?

• 18:00Josh Clark?

  He was a colonel.

• 18:01Speaker 04

  He was a colonel in the Civil Air Patrol. Coast Guard gets involved, dive teams, airplanes, helicopters.

• 18:09Josh Clark?

  Sheriff's Posse on horseback?

• 18:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, like they had people combing this area.

• 18:14Josh Clark?

  They went back to the 19th century to get people to search.

• 18:17Speaker 04

  They searched about 250 cabins in the area. They had a dune buggy trolling the seashore at night, seeing if bodies were washing, or the lakeshore.

• 18:28Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 18:28Speaker 04

  See if bodies were washing the shore.

• 18:29Josh Clark?

  Like it was, it was a land, sea, and air search-

• 18:33Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 18:33Josh Clark?

  -of this area. And it was a pretty extensive area, but it was a really extensive search. The big criticism that's leveled today against the whole thing is that there are two full days passed before the search was mounted. This is July 5th.

• 18:49Speaker 04

  The first 48.

• 18:50Josh Clark?

  First 48. Anybody who's ever seen that show knows, like, those are the most critical moments, or the most critical hours in trying to solve a case, because it gets colder and colder with every hour that passes.

• 19:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:01Josh Clark?

  So, that was a big thing, and one of the, one of the- Most startling things about this case is that search turned up nothing.

• 19:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:11Josh Clark?

  No evidence of what happened to them at all.

• 19:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, the first little clue that they found wasn't something they found while searching, but inside Renee Bruhl's purse that she left behind, there was a letter that she had written to her husband that was kind of like, "I've had it with you. All you do is work on your hot rods and party with your friends." And I'm kind of done hinting that she wanted to leave the marriage. The cop, you know, obviously that's going to be a suspicious kind of thing to find, saying, "Go talk to the husband." And they interviewed the husband and the family, and everyone seemed to agree like, "Hey, things aren't perfect, but she probably wrote that letter when she was really upset. She didn't give it to me. You know, I might work on my hot rods a little too much, but I didn't kill my wife, and our

• 19:59Speaker 04

  marriage is fine."

• 20:00Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 20:01Speaker 04

  Overall. And then the cops believed it.

• 20:03Josh Clark?

  Her fa- well, her family backed that up, too. They're like, "Yeah, they don't have marital troubles. This seems like something Renee would have done."

• 20:09Speaker 04

  Right.

• 20:10Josh Clark?

  And then just forgotten she even had the note. So, the cops cleared her husband of being involved in any wrongdoing, but it raised a longstanding theory that's still around today that we'll talk about theories later, that possibly Renee ran off. And if Renee ran off to just kind of start a new life or whatever, maybe the other women had too.

• 20:29Speaker 04

  Maybe.

• 20:30Josh Clark?

  Maybe.

• 20:31Speaker 04

  So, another interesting thing they learned, Anne Miller, was by all accounts, about three months pregnant, and had talked to her friends.

• 20:40Josh Clark?

  By some accounts, not all.

• 20:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:43Josh Clark?

  Like, her closest friends had said there's some rumors.

• 20:46Speaker 04

  She said she was pregnant. Right. But I don't think they had, like, physical evidence of like a pregnancy test, right?

• 20:50Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  So, they said that she had, friends said that she had talked about having to go live in a home for unwed mothers. She was sort of up against the wall with this. Obviously, in the mid-sixties, it was not a great thing to be an unwed mother.

• 21:09Speaker 04

  And it possibly, we don't know this either for sure, but she was dating a married man. And it could have been his baby, which would have been problematic as well.

• 21:18Josh Clark?

  Right. Another good reason to R U N N O F T.

• 21:23Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 21:24Josh Clark?

  Okay, so now two of them have a motive to to run off and start a new life.

• 21:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, and we should also mention too that Patty was also dating a married man supposedly.

• 21:35Speaker 04

  And they both were buddies from this horse stable. And it turns out there was a real scumbag. I looked into this guy more, this Silas Jane. He was a rapist. He was linked to the murder of three boys. He was linked to the murder of two, the Grimes sisters. He was looked into for the disappearance of some heiress in Chicago. He had a hit put out on his brother. He had a firebomb planted in this other woman's car. Like, this is a bad, bad dude.

• 22:07Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 22:08Speaker 04

  And he had an affiliation with this horse stable.

• 22:11Josh Clark?

  Yeah, he, his brother, I believe, owned the horse stable.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:15Josh Clark?

  And Si was like the organized crime boss, running the criminal ring out of the horse stable. And this was the stable that Ann and Patty rode their horses at. I think Ann was actually, she had a job as a horse exerciser at these stables. So they were like really involved in like just rubbing elbows with these, this organized crime ring. And so cops were like, well, wait a minute, this is, this is kind of huge, like, you know. There's, as far as looking into their backgrounds, this was the biggest red flag the cops had turned up.

• 22:52Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 22:52Josh Clark?

  That they were, they were known, not that they were like criminals themselves, but just that they were like, they came in close contact with a really dangerous, violent criminal and his gang.

• 23:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, and one of the later theories was that they witnessed the, the rigging of the firebomb on this car of this woman.

• 23:11Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  And, you know, they had to be taken care of.

• 23:14Josh Clark?

  Yep.

• 23:15Speaker 04

  But we'll get to the theories later.

• 23:16Josh Clark?

  Sure. So.

• 23:19Josh Clark?

  As they, as they start, these were like the leads that the investigation turned up. But the cops also very wisely involved the media.

• 23:28Speaker 04

  Right.

• 23:28Josh Clark?

  Pretty early on. And so other leads started to come in. And you know, there's the usual like, I saw him in Pontiac, Michigan, getting off of a bus. Or they were all in my drugstore alive and well, you know, last week. Even though they've been missing for three weeks, that kind of thing. But there were some solid leads that came in. And one of the big ones was a call from a couple from Indianapolis who'd been on the beach that day. And I think, this is the problem with this, there's so little writing about this. That you kind of have to piece together.

• 24:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:02Josh Clark?

  I'm pretty sure that this is the same teenage couple that were their beach neighbors.

• 24:07Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 24:08Josh Clark?

  I'm pretty sure. They said that they saw them go into the water at noon. And while they were hanging out in the water, a man, probably in his early twenties with dark wavy hair, well tanned. Came up in a tri-holed runabout ski boat. Which is, just stop and look up, tri-hole, runabout, 1960s. And some will come up. They're really cool looking. Like, it looks like a boat that Frank Sinatra would drive around on a lake.

• 24:35Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 24:36Josh Clark?

  And it's the kind of lake that you would, if you were like, an early twenties guy. Pick up like, girls at the lake in. It's just like a fun, cool, zippy boat.

• 24:45Speaker 04

  Yes. And side note, if you are turned on by those boats like I am. You can find these things and buy them for like, 1,200 bucks.

• 24:53Josh Clark?

  Yes.

• 24:54Speaker 04

  These old fiberglass boats.

• 24:55Josh Clark?

  And engage in mecha-philia.

• 24:57Speaker 04

  You can. You can't buy the old wooden boats. You can, but not for 1,200 bucks.

• 25:02Josh Clark?

  Oh, okay.

• 25:03Speaker 04

  Those are really expensive.

• 25:04Josh Clark?

  But the fiberglass ones, you can get for fairly cheap.

• 25:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:07Josh Clark?

  Well, that's what this guy supposedly has.

• 25:08Speaker 04

  And like, restore it and, you know.

• 25:09Josh Clark?

  Sure.

• 25:11Speaker 04

  It's pretty cool.

• 25:11Josh Clark?

  Yeah. Are you saying that this is what you're gonna do now?

• 25:15Speaker 04

  Uh, no, I'm not saying that, but I'm just, I've looked into it because they're just so like stylish and cool.

• 25:21Josh Clark?

  They are.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  And they had, like, this one was turquoise interior.

• 25:23Josh Clark?

  Uh huh.

• 25:24Speaker 04

  They all have those like

• 25:25Josh Clark?

  I like the red one.

• 25:26Speaker 04

  Sixties sort of colors and

• 25:28Josh Clark?

  Diamond dusted upholstery.

• 25:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, they're pretty sweet.

• 25:30Josh Clark?

  Yeah. So, yeah, this is a white tri-hole runabout with turquoise interior. And, um, that this couple from Indianapolis who called in later said that they saw the, the, the three women get on the boat with this guy

• 25:46Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:46Josh Clark?

  And drive off.

• 25:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, so that's a big one.

• 25:50Josh Clark?

  Huge.

• 25:50Speaker 04

  They also get another report from witnesses who said these girls came back at some point, got something to eat and were hanging out on the beach. And then a third lead that came in and said, they actually got on another boat.

• 26:05Josh Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:05Speaker 04

  This big cabin cruiser.

• 26:06Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 26:07Speaker 04

  Uh, and this was about 3:00 PM with three dudes. And the boat didn't have a name on it that we could discern. So, in that first week, they get some boat wreckage.

• 26:16Josh Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:16Speaker 04

  Uh, it washes ashore, some styrofoam, some seats, an oil can.

• 26:21Josh Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:21Speaker 04

  Looked probably like a busted or wrecked boat. Uh, but the police said, listen, we got two boats we're targeting here. And none of the stuff from this wreckage or potential wreckage is from those boats.

• 26:34Josh Clark?

  Yeah, they didn't, they didn't think so at least.

• 26:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:36Josh Clark?

  Right? So, um, but the weird thing about that boat wreckage is that no boat was reported wrecked that weekend on Lake Michigan, certainly not in the area around Indiana Dune State Park.

• 26:48Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 26:49Josh Clark?

  That's a big one. And then, secondly, like you said, it doesn't seem to match any, any of the boats that they were looking for. So, if you step back and take these leads all together, a timeline, a possible timeline emerges where, um, Patty, Anne, and Renee weighed out into the water around noon. Go on like a little pleasure cruise on the little tri-hole runabout.

• 27:12Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:12Josh Clark?

  Shortly after, come back to shore, go get something to eat, hang out, and then at three, go out in another boat, a bigger boat, which is possibly also manned by the same guy who is in the tri-hole.

• 27:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 27:26Josh Clark?

  Runabout with a couple of his friends.

• 27:28Speaker 04

  And that boat definitely had the name sanded off of it, which was a huge red flag.

• 27:32Josh Clark?

  Exactly, it's very fishy.

• 27:33Speaker 04

  They found sandpaper.

• 27:34Josh Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:35Speaker 04

  And red paint on the beach.

• 27:38Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 27:38Speaker 04

  That had been sanded off.

• 27:39Josh Clark?

  So the cabin cruiser seems to have been largely disincluded from suspicion by the cops because from what I saw, the cops talked to some guys, three guys in a cabin cruiser who were there that day.

• 27:52Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:53Josh Clark?

  Who said, "We, um..."

• 27:55Speaker 04

  Tried to pick up some girls.

• 27:56Josh Clark?

  And they, they wouldn't go.

• 27:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:57Josh Clark?

  One of them said, "I'm married, I can't go."

• 27:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:59Josh Clark?

  And none of them did. Could have been them.

• 28:01Speaker 04

  Maybe.

• 28:01Josh Clark?

  Um, the other thing that really kind of seemed to have disincluded the cabin cruiser was that someone was actually filming, this is 1966, they were filming home movies on the beach that day.

• 28:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was inevitable, I think.

• 28:14Josh Clark?

  You think so?

• 28:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure.

• 28:16Josh Clark?

  I found it astounding.

• 28:17Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 28:18Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 28:18Speaker 04

  No, man, that's where all those old great color super eight films.

• 28:22Josh Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:23Speaker 04

  I bet there were 10 of those cameras on the beach that day.

• 28:25Josh Clark?

  Yeah, you're probably right now.

• 28:26Speaker 04

  And they were, this guy was, you know, because he was filming the day, he was doing a lot of panning back and forth, which was very fortuitous because it kind of proved out some of the stuff. They saw, and of course, this is old film and it wasn't like zoomed in or anything.

• 28:41Josh Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:41Speaker 04

  But they did see what looked like, uh, these three women on this little runabout, uh, just like everyone said. So that was like a pretty good find.

• 28:51Josh Clark?

  Yeah. Uh, the cabin cruiser, they're like, it looks like there's three women on there and they could be similar, but maybe they don't think so. So the cops seemed to have zeroed in on... That the, um, the three women waited out into the water around noon. The guy came up in the tri-hole runabout shortly after. They got on the tri-hole runabout and that was the last time anyone saw them.

• 29:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, and apparently too, it wouldn't have been the weirdest thing in 1966, like, to go off with a stranger on his boat. They, the thing I read said that dudes are always pulling up on their boat and like, "Hey ladies, you know, let's take a ride."

• 29:26Josh Clark?

  That sounds like the seventies.

• 29:27Speaker 04

  "It's 4th of July, it's fun, it's fun." Sounds like the seventies.

• 29:30Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 29:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, maybe.

• 29:32Josh Clark?

  Sure.

• 29:32Speaker 04

  Or the eighties.

• 29:34Josh Clark?

  Right, what about the ni-- no, not the nineties.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  Not the nineties. People were not boating in the nineties.

• 29:38Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 29:39Speaker 04

  Um, should we take another break?

• 29:42Josh Clark?

  Oh, sure.

• 29:43Speaker 04

  All right, let's take another break.

• 29:44Josh Clark?

  Okay.

• 29:44Speaker 04

  And we'll talk about the further investigations right after this.

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• 32:27Josh Clark?

  So Chuck, one more thing about the boat that we should say is, despite having eyewitnesses, despite having film seemingly show them in this boat, nothing ever came of it.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, and the cops even put out the word. They were like, surely someone knows this boat, or this boat owner. It's a tri-hull, turquoise interior. Not a crazy boat, but not the most common thing in the world.

• 32:50Josh Clark?

  Right, but they never found it. It just kind of vanished along with the women.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:55Josh Clark?

  So.

• 32:56Speaker 04

  You should write mystery novels. That's pretty good.

• 32:58Josh Clark?

  Do you think so?

• 32:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:59Josh Clark?

  Thanks. So the weeks and months wore on and as it did, like, there are fewer and fewer people actively looking for them.

• 33:07Speaker 04

  As it happens.

• 33:08Josh Clark?

  It just happens that way. Sadly, Harold Blau kept this vigil basically for the rest of his life.

• 33:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:16Josh Clark?

  He just kept.

• 33:17Speaker 04

  That stuff is always just heartbreaking.

• 33:19Josh Clark?

  Yeah, I don't know if he was, if he kept actively searching, but I know he did some traveling even later on in life to go check out leads that he'd heard about. He kept in contact with cops and reporters who were working the case. And even afterward, after other groups stopped searching, he chartered his own plane so that he could fly reconnaissance flights looking for evidence.

• 33:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:43Josh Clark?

  All to nothing. He, he never found any, any trace of his daughter or what happened. And he, he was convinced that all of them were dead or they were being held against their will.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  Right. He was, he was like, my daughter, you know, he said, we're not overbearing parents. He's like, she's got all the freedom in the world, do what she wants. She wouldn't have to run away because like, we're the coolest.

• 34:07Josh Clark?

  Basically.

• 34:09Speaker 04

  There was a psychic that got in touch, and this was pretty interesting. A psychic said, I visualize a cabin on Lake Michigan, not too far from the beach blanket with dark colored sand, a rickety, rickety wooden stairs up from the beach. The cabin's on a bluff and it has a lawn chair outside with its bottom out. One of the cops investigated, drove as far as he could drive, then did some hiking and found a cabin that met this exact description right down to the chair with the bottom rotted out.

• 34:40Josh Clark?

  And this was nine years later.

• 34:42Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, you hear stuff like that. You're like, man, you know, I don't believe in psychics calling the cops with clues being super accurate, but it turns out there was no body there because she said to dig.

• 34:55Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 34:56Speaker 04

  And they dug for three days and found nothing. But unless it was a prank, it was a weirdly, eerily accurate description.

• 35:03Josh Clark?

  Yeah, yeah. But I mean, if you have an old abandoned. Cottage.

• 35:09Speaker 04

  Is there like a 50/50 chance there's gonna be a lawn chair with the bottom?

• 35:12Josh Clark?

  Exactly.

• 35:12Speaker 04

  Rust it out.

• 35:13Josh Clark?

  That's my theory.

• 35:14Speaker 04

  Maybe. It could be coincidence.

• 35:16Josh Clark?

  I'm with you, though. It is pretty interesting, at the very least. So, the case remains open, and again, not a hint, not a trace. Nothing has ever surfaced, metaphorically or literally, that suggests what happened to those three women. And so theories have been allowed to kind of grow and take different shape and be argued over. And there's like a handful. Most of them are fairly sensible, actually. Some are kind of pedestrian, some are kind of sensational, but because no evidence has ever come forward, like each one's just about as likely as the other.

• 36:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, and well, I think we should mention before we do that, that drowning, Miller and Blau were both really good swimmers.

• 36:08Josh Clark?

  Yeah, like, super good.

• 36:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I think that's supposed to be 20 or 30 minutes, right? Surely not miles.

• 36:14Josh Clark?

  I saw miles.

• 36:15Speaker 04

  Really?

• 36:16Josh Clark?

  Yeah, let me look. You do some tap dancing.

• 36:18Speaker 04

  That's like serious, elite athlete endurance swimming.

• 36:22Josh Clark?

  Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was miles.

• 36:24Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 36:24Josh Clark?

  I'm looking. I'm looking. I don't want to get too nitpicky, but...

• 36:29Speaker 04

  Well, if they were swimming 30 miles, then they were international champion athletes.

• 36:33Josh Clark?

  Okay.

• 36:33Speaker 04

  So regardless, they probably did not drown. It is possible that the boat crashed and they did drown and washed up somewhere, because, you know, Lake Michigan is huge. 1,640 miles of shoreline. It is the deadliest of the Great Lakes. But it's possible that they washed up somewhere and didn't, you know, weren't ever found.

• 36:57Josh Clark?

  Yeah, because remember that that search didn't start for two full days after they were noticed to be missing.

• 37:05Speaker 04

  Right. So that's one of the more mundane theories. It gets a little more sensational when you look at Dick Wiley's theory.

• 37:12Josh Clark?

  Right. Dick Wiley was a crime reporter who basically, I guess he reported on the case almost from the outset and really stuck with it for years and years and years. And he developed a theory that Ann Miller, being pregnant, it was Ann who was pregnant, right?

• 37:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:31Josh Clark?

  That Ann Miller had gone out there with her girlfriends that day because she was, she planned on getting an illegal underground abortion.

• 37:40Speaker 04

  That sounds very not believable to me.

• 37:44Josh Clark?

  So, yeah, a lot of, a lot of people don't believe it, but because so little has been written about this case and this guy is one of the kind of authorities on it.

• 37:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:55Josh Clark?

  There's, there is some credence to it.

• 37:57Speaker 04

  Not that she would have gone to get an underground abortion, but that that would be performed on a boat.

• 38:03Josh Clark?

  That's the big, huge, one of the huge flaws in that.

• 38:06Speaker 04

  It just seems weird.

• 38:07Josh Clark?

  It's what, I can't imagine a more terrible place to perform a delicate procedure like an abortion on a houseboat.

• 38:15Speaker 04

  On 4th of July in Lake Michigan.

• 38:17Josh Clark?

  Well, that's another thing too, is, okay, so, so what Wiley's theory is, is that Ann went out there to get this abortion and Patty and Renee went there as moral support.

• 38:29Speaker 04

  Right.

• 38:29Josh Clark?

  And they went out and met this guy who took them to the houseboat for the abortion to be performed. Well, the abortion was botched, killing Ann, and the abortionist said, well, we've got to kill you two now as well, and they got rid of all three bodies, and that's what happened to them.

• 38:46Speaker 04

  That'd make a heck of a movie.

• 38:47Josh Clark?

  A lot of, there are a lot of holes in this theory, including the fact that, why would you perform an abortion on a houseboat? But there is some things that kind of give it a little bit of credence. In particular, there was a couple named the Largos. What was it? I always want to call her Wanda, but it wasn't. Was it Helen? Yeah, it is Helen, actually. Frank and Helen Largo, they actually did have an underground abortion clinic in 1966 in Gary, Indiana, which was very close to the state park. And their nephew Ralph bore a striking resemblance to the description of the man in his early twenties who came up in the tri-hole runabout.

• 39:32Speaker 04

  Right. And I think Ralph is verified as being there that day as well.

• 39:37Josh Clark?

  So, and he lived with Frank and Helen Largo. So, the Wiley's theory that like this guy came up and got them to take them to go get this procedure done. Again, why would you do it on a houseboat when your clinic is 20 miles away?

• 39:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:52Josh Clark?

  And then, secondly, why would you set up this kind of highly illegal procedure in front of that many witnesses? And then, thirdly, why would they leave their stuff on the beach the way that they did if they knew they were going for this appointment?

• 40:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, this theory is bonkers to me.

• 40:11Josh Clark?

  So, we'll discard Wiley's theory.

• 40:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, the other one, obviously, was the Silas Jane, the criminal dude from the stables. People say that they think that they may have witnessed the car bombing of Cheryl Lynn Rude, and that he was just getting rid of them and snuffing them out. There is every reason to believe that this guy would have done that, looking at his history, if they did possibly witness this rigging of a car bomb.

• 40:40Josh Clark?

  He also had an associate who supposedly bore a resemblance to the man in the tri-hole runabout.

• 40:49Speaker 04

  Tan, wavy hair?

• 40:50Josh Clark?

  Yeah, early twenties. And I saw this, and I could not verify it elsewhere, but there is a widespread rumor that, or an unsubstantiated claim, that that associate to Si Jane, Silas Jane, put in an insurance claim for a boat that had gone down around that time.

• 41:13Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 41:14Josh Clark?

  Which would definitely account for things. It would also account for why there was no boat reported missing. You wouldn't report a boat missing if you used it to cover up a triple homicide.

• 41:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, because that's the biggest thing to me is if there were other people on this boat and it was an accident, someone would have said, "Hey, my..." Dark haired, wavy haired son is missing and he has this boat.

• 41:35Josh Clark?

  And there were no missing persons reports aside from those three.

• 41:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:38Josh Clark?

  And what's more, even if like that guy was just a total loner who had no friends or family, somebody would say a boat like that probably would have been towed by car and trailer. And that car and trailer would have just been left there over time. Somebody would have noticed that there's this abandoned car and trailer hanging out in the parking lot at the state park. Nothing like that ever turned up.

• 42:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, the other theory was in regards to Silas Jane is that these young women did witness this car bombing and knew that they needed to disappear.

• 42:09Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 42:09Speaker 04

  Before they were disappeared.

• 42:11Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 42:11Speaker 04

  On purpose.

• 42:12Josh Clark?

  So this is-

• 42:12Speaker 04

  And they like faked their own disappearance.

• 42:14Josh Clark?

  And that's Patty Blough's brother's theory.

• 42:17Speaker 04

  Oh yeah?

• 42:18Josh Clark?

  Yeah, he showed up on a forum called Web Sleuths. And apparently he's verified, he's like, yes, I'm her brother.

• 42:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:24Josh Clark?

  And he said that he thinks that they did go to stage this disappearance. But that the guy who was going to help them was actually in the employ of Silas Jane. And this helping them disappear actually turned into this triple murder. And that their bodies were disposed of. That's what her brother thinks.

• 42:41Speaker 04

  And that the one who wasn't one of the stable people.

• 42:47Josh Clark?

  Renee?

• 42:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, that she was just there to help them disappear.

• 42:51Josh Clark?

  I don't know.

• 42:51Speaker 04

  And got caught up in this.

• 42:52Josh Clark?

  I don't know.

• 42:53Speaker 04

  Cause like, why would she have gone out?

• 42:54Josh Clark?

  I don't, I mean, bad marriage, who knows?

• 42:57Speaker 04

  Maybe.

• 42:57Josh Clark?

  It's a little thin, but I think it makes sense for his sister. The other two, it doesn't necessarily make as much sense for. Maybe for Anne, if she saw, if she was in danger as well, I don't know.

• 43:09Speaker 04

  I think the most likely thing is, it's like the Peter, is it Peter Principle? No.

• 43:13Josh Clark?

  The Occam's-

• 43:14Speaker 04

  Occam's razor. Is it the trolley problem? Occam's razor is that they drowned.

• 43:22Josh Clark?

  I mean, that's possible.

• 43:22Speaker 04

  And didn't wash ashore.

• 43:24Josh Clark?

  But here's the thing, like, in Lake Michigan's the deadliest great lake of all of them, all five. I think it accounts for, out of all five, it accounts for half of the deaths on any given year. But most bodies do turn up, most bodies are recovered. So if three of them, or four, or however many people were on that boat.

• 43:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:43Josh Clark?

  That bow went down, you'd think some trace of at least one of them would have eventually turned up.

• 43:48Speaker 04

  You'd think so.

• 43:49Josh Clark?

  You know?

• 43:50Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's a true mystery.

• 43:52Josh Clark?

  It's also possible that they were taken away by somebody, they weren't planning on disappearing, they weren't planning on leaving. They just went on a pleasure cruise with the wrong person who murdered them.

• 44:04Speaker 04

  Right.

• 44:05Josh Clark?

  If a guy got three women out on a boat and got it out into the middle of nowhere on this enormous lake and then pulled a gun on them. Like, you can, you could, one person could conceivably stay in control of three under a situation like that. And that's, sadly enough, that's a real possibility that that was their fate. They just went with the wrong person.

• 44:27Speaker 04

  That seems unlikely to me, too, that, like, a serial killer just picked up three women.

• 44:31Josh Clark?

  Here's the thing, there is one serial killer in particular that some people really like for this. His name's Richard Speck.

• 44:38Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:39Josh Clark?

  So Richard Speck is actually not a serial killer, he's a mass murderer, because he killed eight women at a nursing college in one night.

• 44:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:48Josh Clark?

  Which makes him a mass murderer, not a serial killer. He did that on July 13th, 1966, in Chicago. On July 2nd, 1966, he was dropped off at a dock about 20 miles away from Indiana Dunes State Park.

• 45:05Speaker 04

  He was not tan with dark, wavy hair, though.

• 45:08Josh Clark?

  That is very true.

• 45:09Speaker 04

  He was a real creep, though.

• 45:11Josh Clark?

  He was a super big creep, had a terrible personality, not a charmer, not good looking. So the idea that he could get three, like, women into a boat of his is kind of unlikely.

• 45:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:24Josh Clark?

  Also, he was well known as a very sloppy, opportunistic killer. And that this, if they were killed by somebody, this seems to have been planned. The fact that their bodies never turned up suggests that, who, if they were killed by somebody, they would have had to have planned to have killed them because they would have had to have brought along all the weights needed and all that stuff. Whatever it is, like any one of those theories is just as likely as the others.

• 45:50Speaker 04

  Good stuff. Sad, tragic, but I love a good mystery.

• 45:53Josh Clark?

  Yep. Well, if you want to know more about the disappearance of Patricia Blau, Ann Miller, and Renee Bruhl, you can go read the Chicago Tribune article on it, the Northwest Indiana Times article, Web Sleuths, and The Charlie Project. All those are great resources on this case. And since I said that, it's time for Listener Mail.

• 46:15Speaker 04

  Hey, guys. I'm writing to say thank you. You see, I recently divorced, and I spent about half the time I used to spend with my three young kids. She goes, "Stay with me. I'm not going anywhere depressing." She said, "The divorce was the right move, and we're co-parenting quite amicably, and it's all good. I've got a full life and meaningful relationships and lots to do 99% of the time. But the quiet of my day at times, when it is a kid-free house, is something that's gotten some getting used to. I realize, without even thinking about it, that I've taken to playing old episodes like Bizarre Ways to Die."

• 46:54Josh Clark?

  That's an oldie.

• 46:55Speaker 04

  That's a real oldie. She's like, "Just because they make me feel in a totally well-adjusted and not insane way, like I'm in the company of pals. I've been a listener for about five years. Only recently have I come to appreciate that I'm always cheered up and made to feel less lonely by hearing you guys talk to each other and to all of us in podcast listener land. So, thanks for what you do. Thanks to the team who helps you, like Jerry. You do a good thing for a lot of people, and I appreciate it. Big hugs from Catherine in Chicago."

• 47:24Josh Clark?

  Chicago. How appropriate. Thanks a lot, Catherine. We really appreciate that. It's good to hear. Keep on keeping on.

• 47:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:32Josh Clark?

  Keep on truckin'. If you want to get in touch with us like Catherine did to let us know how you're doing, we want to hear that. You can go on to stuffyoushouldknow.com, check out our social links, and you can send us an email to [email protected].

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• 49:40Speaker 06

  What's that?

• 49:40Speaker 03

  My fresh detector.

• 49:42Speaker 06

  Uh, your what?

• 49:43Speaker 03

  There it is.

• 49:44Speaker 06

  What is it detecting?

• 49:46Speaker 03

  Fresh produce, fresh meat.

• 49:48Speaker 06

  Okay, what happens if it detects something really fresh?

• 49:54Speaker 03

  Apparently, we celebrate.

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