Pod Insights Stuff You Should Know SYSK’s Summer Movie Playlist: What's the deal with Bond, James Bond? About this episode James Bond, the most infamous secret agent ever to grace the silver screen, originated in the pages of British author Ian Fleming's novels. Amateur agents Josh and Chuck uncover all sorts of Bond trivia in this action-packed episode.
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1:31 Josh Clark? So we're going to start the whole thing off with our July 2010 episode on what's the deal with Bond? James Bond. Hope you enjoy.
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1:53 Josh Clark? Hey and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. Hi, with me is Charles W. Chuck Bryant.
2:01 Speaker 03 Bryant, Charles Bryant.
2:03 Josh Clark? How is it going Chuck? It's an odd way to introduce yourself, don't you think?
2:07 Speaker 03 Not if you're a super spy.
2:10 Josh Clark? Are you a super spy?
2:11 Speaker 03 Actually, I wouldn't say James Bond was even a spy.
2:15 Speaker 03 Secret Service, is that a spy really?
2:19 Josh Clark? No, he was in the assassin and
2:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
2:22 Josh Clark? Just general plot disruptor, I would say.
2:24 Speaker 03 He was a blunt instrument of the crown.
2:27 Josh Clark? Yeah, if you wanted the job done and you couldn't, if you didn't have time to worry about, you know, the politics or, you know, diplomacy, that kind of thing, you sent James Bond.
2:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, get JB on the phone, 007.
2:43 Josh Clark? Yeah.
2:44 Speaker 03 He'll, he'll take care of business like Elvis.
2:46 Josh Clark? You could call him on his car phone, long before any car had a phone.
2:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
2:51 Josh Clark? Alright.
2:52 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, he, he was always predating, uh, technology.
2:55 Josh Clark? Yeah, as a matter of fact, there's a James Bond theory of entrepreneurial innovation.
2:59 Speaker 03 I believe that.
3:00 Josh Clark? Uh, in From Russia With Love, 1963, he, um, talked, I can't remember who he talked to, but he was in his car using the phone.
3:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:11 Josh Clark? That was in his car and audiences went nuts for it.
3:14 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, they were like, oh my god, he's on the telephone.
3:17 Josh Clark? Right.
3:17 Speaker 03 In a car.
3:18 Josh Clark? But that's what they sounded like in England, though.
3:21 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, well sure.
3:22 Josh Clark? Possibly Ghana.
3:24 Speaker 03 Right.
3:26 Speaker 03 So Josh, where do we start here? We can't, we can't not start with, uh, Ian Fleming.
3:33 Josh Clark? Ian Fleming.
3:34 Speaker 03 That's where we gotta start.
3:35 Josh Clark? Let's do it. No, that was, there was a colon after that.
3:38 Speaker 03 Oh, Ian Fleming, colon, was, as everyone knows, and, and if you didn't, you need to get out from under your rock that you reside, uh, in right now, the creator of James Bond.
3:50 Josh Clark? Right.
3:51 Speaker 03 In novel form.
3:52 Josh Clark? He was also, uh, originally a journalist and a stockbroker. And, uh, World War II starts to come around, and he joins the naval, naval volunteer.
4:03 Speaker 03 Royal Navy.
4:04 Josh Clark? Royal Navy.
4:05 Speaker 03 Uh huh.
4:05 Josh Clark? Um, and he was actually, Chuck, did you know, assigned as a spy himself in Washington DC.
4:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, sort of a spy, you could call it. He, um, he was in intelligence and he would occasionally, he was an administrative guy. But sometimes they would send him out to do fieldwork, where he would take secret pictures of documents, just like in the movies.
4:29 Josh Clark? Do you know who was assigned to his spy unit?
4:34 Speaker 03 James Bond.
4:35 Josh Clark? Yeah?
4:36 Speaker 03 No.
4:36 Josh Clark? Well, the guy who was the inspiration for James Bond, his name was William Stevenson, AKA Intrepid, right?
4:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, one of many inspirations.
4:45 Josh Clark? Right, but in an interview in The Times in 1962, Fleming said, you know, James Bond is this romanticized version of a spy. Bill Stevenson is the real thing.
4:57 Speaker 03 Right, well, romanticized version of himself.
5:00 Josh Clark? To an extent, sure. Another member of that spy ring was a guy named Roald Dahl, who wrote James and the Giant Peach and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
5:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, and a bunch of body books.
5:13 Josh Clark? Right.
5:13 Speaker 03 He also had the non-children's books that were a little racier.
5:16 Josh Clark? Yes.
5:17 Speaker 03 Not many people know that.
5:18 Josh Clark? So Chuck, let's talk a little bit more about Ian Fleming. Like, give it to us, buddy.
5:24 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, like I said, he was, he sort of based James Bond on, kind of, I think, who he wanted to be. He was a playboy. He was an island hopper.
5:34 Josh Clark? An adventurer.
5:35 Speaker 03 An adventurer, a skier. He dove with Jacques Cousteau. And, you know, snowskied from the tops of mountains in Switzerland and had a place in Jamaica where he actually wrote all these books.
5:47 Josh Clark? Right, he named the place Goldeneye, and every year, he would go to Jamaica and write a book. And I just want to dig him up and throttle him for that, because, I mean, what a, what a life.
6:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:01 Josh Clark? You know?
6:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:01 Josh Clark? Oh, it's time for me to go to my estate in Jamaica and write a book that's going to just make me millions more.
6:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, which he did. And he reportedly picked the name James Bond because he wanted the most boring name he could find for his super-secret agent. I think he didn't want the name to compete with the actual character. Like, why bother giving him some fancy name? Just name him James Bond and have him kick butt.
6:29 Josh Clark? Right. You know what the opposite of that is? Hacksaw Jim Duggan?
6:35 Speaker 03 He should have named him that.
6:36 Josh Clark? Yeah. Well, then it would have competed with the character.
6:39 Speaker 03 Duggan, Hacksaw Jim Duggan. I could hear that.
6:43 Speaker 03 So, yeah, he wrote, uh, see, the article says thirteen novels.
6:49 Josh Clark? Well, he wrote thirteen books.
6:51 Speaker 03 I got fourteen.
6:52 Josh Clark? What's the fourteenth?
6:53 Speaker 03 Well, I've got twelve novels plus two short story collections.
6:56 Josh Clark? Right.
6:57 Speaker 03 For Your Eyes Only.
6:58 Josh Clark? Uh huh.
6:58 Speaker 03 And Octopussy in the Living Daylights was another collection.
7:01 Josh Clark? Right.
7:01 Speaker 03 So, it seems like it'd be easier to find this out, but I literally saw two different sets of information.
7:06 Josh Clark? Huh. So, are we gonna go with fourteen? Because you are quite the sniffer.
7:10 Speaker 03 Let's, let's go with fourteen total.
7:12 Josh Clark? Okay.
7:13 Speaker 03 Twelve novels.
7:14 Josh Clark? Alright. But, uh, he, he wrote, um, I think he wrote the novels first, maybe? Or did he write the short story books, like, in between?
7:24 Speaker 03 Yeah, they were, they were in between. They were toward the end.
7:27 Josh Clark? Okay.
7:27 Speaker 03 But-
7:28 Josh Clark? So, and he was getting fat and lazy in Jamaica?
7:30 Speaker 03 Yeah. Interestingly, though, or maybe it's not that interesting, they made the movies way out of order.
7:34 Josh Clark? Yeah, they did.
7:35 Speaker 03 Uh, the, Dr. No was the first film, but that was the sixth novel.
7:39 Josh Clark? Right, but did you know that they originally, the people who made the official Bond movies, originally wanted to make Thunderball? Thunderball was a story that Ian Fleming came up with, with another guy who, um, who wanted the rights to make a movie out of it.
7:55 Speaker 03 Oh, really?
7:56 Josh Clark? That fell through, but Ian Fleming went ahead and wrote the story anyway, that they'd come up with, as Thunderball. The guy sued his pants off and actually gained custody, gained the rights to the book, Thunderball.
8:07 Speaker 03 Look at that.
8:08 Josh Clark? Which tied it up and, um, made them opt for Dr. No to go first instead.
8:13 Speaker 03 There was a lot of litigation over the years in the Bond franchise.
8:15 Josh Clark? Yes, there was.
8:16 Speaker 03 I guess when you have a franchise that long and that vast, there's gonna be people suing people over something.
8:22 Josh Clark? Well, plus, it's legendary. He's a legendary character and, you know, he's made a lot of money for a lot of people.
8:27 Speaker 03 Absolutely. Uh, the other interesting thing I thought, just before we move on, was that Moonraker was written in nineteen fifty-five. That was the third novel.
8:36 Josh Clark? That is insightful.
8:37 Speaker 03 And of course, there wasn't a space shuttle. Like, they, they changed the setting and all that stuff. But it did involve, like, a nuclear weapon. So, you know, kind of odd. And Man of the Golden Gun, which was the, Roger Moore's second film, was the final novel, and it was released after his death.
8:59 Josh Clark? Huh.
8:59 Speaker 03 So it was way out of order.
9:00 Josh Clark? And in that one, he predicted Hervé Viache, which nobody saw coming except Ian Fleming.
9:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:07 Josh Clark? You know?
9:07 Speaker 03 You're right, yeah.
9:08 Josh Clark? It's weird. Let's talk about James Bond a little bit, Chuck.
9:12 Speaker 03 Okay, the character, James Bond.
9:13 Josh Clark? So it turns out, James Bond had a Scottish father, which he didn't originally.
9:20 Speaker 03 No, that came about because of Sean Connery.
9:23 Josh Clark? Yeah, Ian Fleming was not a big fan of Sean Connery.
9:26 Speaker 03 At first, yeah.
9:26 Josh Clark? At first, and then Sean Connery was like, "Check this out." And he made one peck go up while the other went down.
9:33 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:33 Josh Clark? A bunch of times.
9:34 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:35 Josh Clark? And Ian Fleming just like clapped and squealed, and that was that, right?
9:38 Speaker 03 Right.
9:39 Josh Clark? He was a big fan, and he said, "You know what? You are James Bond." And he actually went back and changed James Bond's history.
9:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:48 Josh Clark? To kind of match Sean Connery a little bit, because he came to see like, this guy is Bond, right?
9:53 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:54 Josh Clark? So he gave James Bond a Scottish father.
9:56 Speaker 03 Andrew.
9:56 Josh Clark? And a Swiss mother.
9:58 Speaker 03 Monique Delacroix?
9:59 Josh Clark? And, nice.
10:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:01 Josh Clark? And they both died mountain climbing, right?
10:03 Speaker 03 Yes, when little James was 11 years old.
10:06 Josh Clark? And he went to the orphanage.
10:08 Speaker 03 And he went to an orphanage. He was supposedly born on November 11th, 1920, but there are different accounts of his birthday and when he was born. And clearly, when you have a franchise with Daniel Craig playing him in 2008, he can't be born in 1920.
10:24 Josh Clark? Yeah, because Bond's exhibition wasn't showing in Miami in like 1958 or anything.
10:30 Speaker 03 So, yeah, there's a sliding scale there, obviously, to make it viable. But James, much like his author namesake, Ian Fleming, not namesake, that would make him James Bond, much like the author Ian Fleming was, went to the Royal Navy in World War II, rose to the rank of commander.
10:47 Josh Clark? Yes.
10:48 Speaker 03 After the war, that's when he entered the SIS, known as MI6.
10:52 Josh Clark? Right, which is the sixth branch of the military. Intelligence Directorate.
10:56 Speaker 03 You got that, buddy.
10:57 Josh Clark? Right, and his first two assignments, Chuck.
10:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:00 Josh Clark? Were two taps, weren't they?
11:02 Speaker 03 Assassinations, right off the bat.
11:03 Josh Clark? So, he, that's, apparently, you have to kill two people to get a double O status, which is the license to kill, and he got them, like you say, right off the bat.
11:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, and he was the seventh dude to get them, so that's where double O seven comes from.
11:15 Josh Clark? Right.
11:15 Speaker 03 The seventh agent, I shouldn't say dude. Cause they were, were there female agents? Yeah, there were female agents.
11:22 Josh Clark? Okay.
11:24 Speaker 03 I'm pretty sure.
11:26 Josh Clark? And we should probably take the time here to explain. I like James Bond. I know that you like James Bond movies, too.
11:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, is this the disclaimer?
11:36 Josh Clark? Yeah.
11:36 Speaker 03 We're gonna get killed here?
11:38 Josh Clark? We are not members of James Bond fandom, I would say. Right?
11:45 Speaker 03 I mean, I've seen all the movies, but no, I haven't studied the books.
11:49 Josh Clark? I've never read any of the books, I don't think I've seen all the movies.
11:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:52 Josh Clark? And, but I do like them in a very recreational manner. So, that being said, we are not going to get every single thing right here.
12:01 Speaker 03 Right.
12:02 Josh Clark? We are going to walk right past information.
12:05 Speaker 03 Sure.
12:05 Josh Clark? That we just don't know exists.
12:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:07 Josh Clark? So, in a very friendly manner, if there is anything that you have to say that can round this podcast out even further, the more, we love knowing new things, that's, so please let us know, I guess is what we're saying, right?
12:21 Speaker 03 Oh, they'll let us know.
12:22 Josh Clark? They will.
12:22 Speaker 03 Except for the, like, three dudes that just turned it off and went, well, they have no business even attempting this thing.
12:27 Josh Clark? Right, and then they go give us a one-star rating on iTunes.
12:31 Speaker 03 So, back to Bond, he, as we all know, is a sharp dresser, and he loves fast cars. He loves his martini, shaken, not stirred. He loves women.
12:41 Josh Clark? Yeah, and do you know if you shake a martini, instead of stirring it, you pretty much ruin it?
12:46 Speaker 03 I disagree, I shake all my martinis.
12:48 Josh Clark? Dude.
12:49 Speaker 03 How does it ruin it?
12:50 Josh Clark? It, um, feathers it, I think.
12:52 Speaker 03 What does that mean?
12:53 Josh Clark? It means it's screwed up.
12:55 Speaker 03 What does that mean? I like a good dirty martini myself.
12:59 Josh Clark? Oh, you like them dirty?
13:01 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
13:01 Josh Clark? Gross.
13:02 Speaker 03 Jared just said word.
13:03 Josh Clark? I like my martinis so light, it's basically just a vodka rocks.
13:08 Speaker 03 So you just like the vermouth bottle just waved near the glass?
13:11 Josh Clark? Pretty much.
13:11 Speaker 03 I like just a little vermouth, little olive juice, but no olive.
13:14 Josh Clark? No olive juice. I'll put in all, I'll put three olives in usually.
13:18 Speaker 03 Really? Alright.
13:20 Josh Clark? But then I eat them so fast that they have no time to taint the martini.
13:24 Speaker 03 Well, that's why you're not a super spy.
13:26 Josh Clark? No.
13:27 Speaker 03 So Josh, James Bond, a couple of the other traits we should just mention, he is a martial artist. He's a gifted man with his fist and feet. Or if you're Roger Moore, a karate chop.
13:39 Josh Clark? Yeah, he loved the karate chop.
13:41 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, yeah. That was a big deal in the 70s. And he carried a, famously carried a Walter PPK handgun, 32 caliber.
13:50 Josh Clark? Yeah.
13:51 Speaker 03 And that's a little guy. Have you ever seen him?
13:52 Josh Clark? Oh, yeah.
13:53 Speaker 03 They're small.
13:54 Josh Clark? And I've played Goldeneye and I've played.
13:57 Speaker 03 Best game ever.
13:59 Josh Clark? I guess I just played Goldeneye. It is a great game.
14:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, and you know, they're bringing that back for we.
14:03 Josh Clark? I've heard.
14:04 Speaker 03 Matt Frederick of Coolest Stuff on the Planet told us that they are bringing that back because it's still sort of the standard for first person shooters, like 15 years on.
14:13 Josh Clark? Yeah.
14:14 Speaker 03 It's still a great game. So they're bringing it back as is, like completely as it was, but with better graphics.
14:19 Josh Clark? That's gonna be fantastic.
14:21 Speaker 03 For the we.
14:21 Josh Clark? Yeah.
14:22 Speaker 03 Pretty exciting. Back to the real life.
14:26 Josh Clark? Yes.
14:26 Speaker 03 Of the fake life of James Bond.
14:29 Josh Clark? That's what we should have titled this podcast.
14:31 Speaker 03 The real life of the fake life?
14:32 Josh Clark? Yeah.
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17:51 Speaker 03 How about, uh, let's talk about some of the enemies.
17:54 Josh Clark? Dr. No. He was the first one to appear in the films.
17:58 Speaker 03 Dr. Julius No.
17:59 Josh Clark? Right. He's an atomic scientist.
18:02 Speaker 03 Yeah, he was clearly, uh, Joseph Wiseman played him, and he was a great, great villain. Uh, Goldfinger, you can't talk about Bond without talking about Goldfinger.
18:10 Josh Clark? Yeah.
18:10 Speaker 03 He was, eh, you don't like him?
18:12 Josh Clark? No, not really.
18:13 Speaker 03 I was a big Goldfinger guy.
18:14 Josh Clark? Were you?
18:15 Speaker 03 He tried to laser the crotch of James Bond.
18:18 Josh Clark? Oh, yeah, that's right.
18:19 Speaker 03 Pretty hardcore.
18:20 Josh Clark? Yeah. It's like Max Scorpio.
18:24 Josh Clark? In, uh, that Simpsons where
18:25 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
18:26 Josh Clark? Homer ends up going to work for the supervillain.
18:28 Speaker 03 Right.
18:29 Josh Clark? Yeah. He's like, "No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die and be a very cheap funeral."
18:34 Speaker 03 Uh, Odd Job was one of my favorite, and he was one of Goldman's henchmen, the big
18:37 Josh Clark? I loved him too.
18:38 Speaker 03 Asian guy with the bowler hat that he could cut like the head off a statue.
18:41 Josh Clark? Yeah.
18:42 Speaker 03 With his hat.
18:43 Josh Clark? He was huge.
18:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, very big dude.
18:44 Josh Clark? Yeah.
18:45 Speaker 03 Uh, Jaws, we grew up with Roger Moore.
18:47 Josh Clark? Uh huh.
18:48 Speaker 03 So you can't not talk about Jaws.
18:49 Josh Clark? No, he was great too. He was in two of them, right? He was in, uh, Moonraker and The Spy Who Loved Me.
18:55 Speaker 03 I thought he might have been more than that, but he, he definitely
18:58 Josh Clark? No, I looked it up. He was only in two.
18:59 Speaker 03 Two, really?
19:00 Josh Clark? Uh huh.
19:00 Speaker 03 God, he made quite an impression.
19:01 Josh Clark? Yeah, he did.
19:02 Speaker 03 He found the girlfriend in, in Moonraker, I think, right?
19:04 Josh Clark? Yeah, he falls in love or something.
19:05 Speaker 03 Yeah, the little like nerdy girl.
19:07 Josh Clark? And then he pops up again in Happy Gilmore.
19:10 Speaker 03 Was he in that?
19:10 Josh Clark? Yeah.
19:11 Speaker 03 I didn't see that.
19:12 Josh Clark? Yeah, he, uh, was Happy Gilmore's boss, like on the construction site, and he ends up becoming a fan and
19:17 Speaker 03 Wow. Did he have the teeth?
19:19 Josh Clark? No, he didn't have the teeth.
19:20 Speaker 03 Just for the movie.
19:20 Josh Clark? But, uh, he was a big guy.
19:22 Speaker 03 Yes. Uh, lately, we've had more recent villains that I don't think the new villains compare, personally.
19:30 Josh Clark? No, they kind of come and go, you know, there's, like, uh, in, um, Casino Royale.
19:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, they're okay, but they're all
19:37 Josh Clark? You can't even tell you who the villain was.
19:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, that, that, like, they're all decent, but they're not like iconic characters like they used to be.
19:43 Josh Clark? Right, like Blofeld.
19:44 Speaker 03 Yeah, well, Blofeld was the
19:47 Speaker 03 Sort of legendary, I don't know how many movies he was in, but he was played by like-
19:51 Josh Clark? Telly Savalas, Donald Pleasence.
19:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, Donald Pleasence was my favorite version.
19:55 Josh Clark? He was good.
19:56 Speaker 03 And Max Van Seedal, played him, I think in Never Say Never Again, maybe?
20:01 Josh Clark? Nice. Max Van Seedal, he's a class act.
20:03 Speaker 03 Yeah, I was, what did I watch the other day? Oh, Shutter Island? He's in that, and I leaned over to Emily, I was like, you know, I wanna see Max Van Seedal play like a kindly grandfather in a movie.
20:14 Josh Clark? I don't think he can pull it off.
20:15 Speaker 03 Anytime that dude pops up in the movie, you're like, oh, well, he's the evil doer.
20:18 Josh Clark? Right.
20:19 Speaker 03 He's the villain.
20:20 Josh Clark? Or so you think, until Shutter Island falls apart at the end.
20:24 Speaker 03 Don't ruin it.
20:26 Josh Clark? It ruined itself.
20:27 Speaker 03 Yes, that was Blofeld. He was the bald guy, and he was the head of Spectre, which was the Special Executive for Counterintelligence, Terrorism, Revenge, and Extortion.
20:37 Josh Clark? Right.
20:37 Speaker 03 It's a great villainous title there.
20:40 Josh Clark? That's not only like a great name, that's your mission statement.
20:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:44 Josh Clark? You know?
20:44 Speaker 03 All wrapped up into one.
20:46 Josh Clark? Um, one of my favorites, Max Zorin, played by the great Christopher Walken, he was a, um, he was the, dude, Beautiful Kill is one of the best Bond movies ever.
20:56 Speaker 03 But that had the worst Bond woman ever.
20:59 Josh Clark? Grace Jones?
21:00 Speaker 03 No, Tonya Roberts.
21:01 Josh Clark? I don't remember her.
21:03 Speaker 03 She was the Bond girl.
21:04 Josh Clark? I don't remember.
21:05 Speaker 03 She was the lady from The 70's Show that was like, uh, one of the late Charlie's Angels replacements. Tonya Roberts, yeah.
21:12 Josh Clark? Yeah, who cares? It was the 80's, nobody was paying that much attention.
21:15 Speaker 03 But it was a good song.
21:16 Josh Clark? It was, and, uh, Christopher Walken was in it, Grace Jones was in it.
21:20 Speaker 03 She was pretty scary in that.
21:21 Josh Clark? Yeah, she was excellent. Um, talk about a martial artist. But Max Zorin is, did you know he was the product of genetic experiments by Nazis?
21:33 Speaker 03 Walken was?
21:34 Josh Clark? Well, not Walken, Max Zorin.
21:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
21:37 Josh Clark? Yeah.
21:37 Speaker 03 I don't, I don't remember that.
21:38 Josh Clark? Yeah, and, um, one of the unintended side effects was he was a complete psychopath.
21:43 Speaker 03 I thought you were gonna say, one of the side effects was his use of punctuation.
21:48 Josh Clark? You are good, man.
21:50 Speaker 03 Everybody does Walken.
21:52 Josh Clark? I can't do a Walken.
21:54 Speaker 03 Let's hear it.
21:56 Josh Clark? My, no. It's really just an altered John Travolta. Why are you so weird?
22:02 Speaker 03 Dude, that's great.
22:03 Josh Clark? Thanks. Of course Chuck, there's 006 Alec Trevelyan.
22:08 Speaker 03 Yeah. What was he in? That was one of the Pierce Brosnan ones, wasn't it?
22:13 Josh Clark? Yeah.
22:13 Speaker 03 I think.
22:14 Josh Clark? Yeah, which, I don't remember those. I loved Pierce Brosnan, like-
22:18 Speaker 03 Oh, he was good.
22:18 Josh Clark? The fact that, like, he wasn't James Bond earlier. He's like, "Oh yeah, you're gonna cast Timothy Dalton, are ya? Well, I'll go be Remington Steele, jerks."
22:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
22:27 Josh Clark? And, um-
22:28 Speaker 03 Then they tried to get him again, right?
22:29 Josh Clark? I think so.
22:30 Speaker 03 And he was committed to Remington Steele. Which was sort of like James Bond for TV.
22:34 Josh Clark? Oh, so did he do Remington Steele first?
22:37 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, he did Remington Steele. Well, it goes back and forth. There was like, Timothy Dalton was offered the role before Roger Moore. Did you know that?
22:44 Josh Clark? No, I didn't.
22:44 Speaker 03 When he was 21 years old.
22:46 Josh Clark? Really?
22:46 Speaker 03 He was gonna replace Sean Connery.
22:48 Josh Clark? Wow.
22:48 Speaker 03 And Dalton said, "I'm too young to play James Bond." And then he comes around years later. Just like Tim- just like, uh, Brosnan did.
22:55 Josh Clark? Okay. But I am glad that Pierce Brosnan went in. I just happen to think that those, his period of movies were unfortunate.
23:04 Speaker 03 I thought they were pretty good.
23:04 Josh Clark? I didn't like them.
23:05 Speaker 03 No?
23:05 Josh Clark? I'm really happy with Daniel Craig's stuff, so far.
23:09 Speaker 03 Well, you know, my statement on that is, that was the only direction they could take that franchise. After the Jason Bourne movies, you couldn't have a guy like, winking at the camera like Roger Moore and like slapstick sounds and, uh, sound effects. You had to take him in like, a real bad, bad direction.
23:27 Josh Clark? Yes. And you mean like, Simo Haye bad?
23:30 Speaker 03 Yeah.
23:31 Josh Clark? Um, so 006 Alec Trevelyan. He is, I think, he informs the character Alex Krychek from X-Files.
23:41 Speaker 03 You think so, huh?
23:43 Speaker 03 Very nice, Josh.
23:45 Josh Clark? Thanks.
23:45 Speaker 03 Alright, so those are some of the villains, clearly not all, but, um, we should also talk about some of the people that James Bond had working on his side at MI6.
23:55 Josh Clark? Right, which we will call, from here on out, the superfluous characters.
23:59 Speaker 03 No, dude, they're great. M, Q.
24:04 Josh Clark? Yeah.
24:04 Speaker 03 M was the head of MI6, and there were several Ms. M was just a title. And M was the one that's always frustrated with Bond, yet he knows that he's the blunt instrument of choice. You know, pretty much in every movie.
24:17 Josh Clark? Right.
24:18 Speaker 03 Uh, Q.
24:19 Josh Clark? You should say he or she for M.
24:21 Speaker 03 Uh, true.
24:21 Josh Clark? Dame Judi Dench took over.
24:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, oh, man, she's doing a great job, too. Uh, Q is the head of the Q branch.
24:27 Josh Clark? Judi Dench, did you hear that? Chuck just said you were doing a great job, so keep it up.
24:32 Speaker 03 Keep it up, Dame Judi Dench. Dame, Dane?
24:34 Josh Clark? Dame.
24:35 Speaker 03 Dame.
24:35 Josh Clark? Yeah, she's a dame.
24:37 Speaker 03 Q is the head of the Q branch, MI6's research and development branch. And Q, as you might know, is the guy who, in all the films, gives James his gadgets. There's always that great scene where James goes into the laboratory and starts messing around with the gadgets and exasperates Q because he's burning something, or he's firing a missile inside and he shouldn't be. That's Q.
25:01 Josh Clark? Right. And he's now been replaced by his former assistant, R.
25:07 Speaker 03 Right, now, is R John Cleese?
25:08 Josh Clark? Yeah.
25:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, he's doing a good job.
25:10 Josh Clark? But he's the new Q, he just used to be R.
25:12 Speaker 03 Well, because Q died.
25:13 Josh Clark? Right.
25:14 Speaker 03 Lou Allen?
25:15 Josh Clark? Yes, Chuck.
25:16 Speaker 03 That was the actor that played the original Q, is that right?
25:19 Josh Clark? Right.
25:19 Speaker 03 Or the Roger Moore Q that I loved.
25:21 Josh Clark? Right.
25:22 Speaker 03 Who else we got?
25:24 Josh Clark? Felix Leiter, who I like, Jack Lord, Jeffrey Wright, both played him.
25:28 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah?
25:29 Josh Clark? CIA agent.
25:29 Speaker 03 Uh-huh.
25:30 Josh Clark? And then there's another guy named Hayward Wade.
25:33 Speaker 03 Well, is he CIA?
25:34 Josh Clark? Yeah.
25:35 Speaker 03 I thought they said they didn't know if he was DEA or CIA.
25:39 Josh Clark? He was around before the DEA was.
25:41 Speaker 03 Was he?
25:41 Josh Clark? Yeah. Um, and then you've got, I think Jack Wade is his name, and he was actually played by a couple of people, including Joe Don Baker.
25:49 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
25:50 Josh Clark? Pierce Brosnan ones.
25:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. He had a couple of American counterparts, that's a good point.
25:55 Josh Clark? And, little-known fact, Joe Don Baker was in, oh, I can't remember the name of the movie, but it was one of the greatest Mystery Science Theater 3000s.
26:04 Speaker 03 Oh, really?
26:04 Josh Clark? Yeah.
26:05 Speaker 03 Bad movie?
26:08 Speaker 03 And then, of course, we have to mention Money Penny. He was Em's personal assistant. And Money Penny, you always knew Money Penny because James would come in and flirt very much with her. And I always got the sense that if James were to ever settle down with anyone, which he clearly won't, it would have been Money Penny.
26:24 Josh Clark? Sure.
26:25 Speaker 03 Or at least he made her think that.
26:26 Josh Clark? Right.
26:27 Speaker 03 Every day was Secretary's Day when James Bond was around. He was always just so nice to her and bringing her things from his travels. Shot glasses and stuff.
26:35 Josh Clark? Right, spoons. She had an extensive spoon collection.
26:38 Speaker 03 Refrigerator magnets.
26:40 Josh Clark? Chuck.
26:40 Speaker 03 Josh.
26:41 Josh Clark? Let's talk about the movie, shall we?
26:44 Speaker 03 Yeah, sure.
26:44 Josh Clark? Well, let's talk about James Bond on screen, because it wasn't necessarily just relegated to the movies.
26:50 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, good point.
26:51 Josh Clark? So, James Bond first appears on screen, on the small screen, on a CBS TV series called Climax, with an exclamation point.
27:01 Speaker 03 Really?
27:02 Josh Clark? Yeah.
27:02 Speaker 03 Wow.
27:03 Josh Clark? And he was first played by a guy named Barry Nelson. And Barry Nelson, you may recognize as Mr. Allman, the manager of The Overlook in Kubrick's The Shining, who tells Jack Torrance the ropes. That's the first guy to ever play James Bond.
27:17 Speaker 03 Wow. Was he English?
27:19 Josh Clark? No.
27:20 Speaker 03 American?
27:20 Josh Clark? Yeah, CBS TV series.
27:22 Speaker 03 So, we've had a Scotsman, quite a few Englishmen, an American, and an Australian. And what?
27:30 Josh Clark? What do you mean Australian?
27:31 Speaker 03 I mean, someone from Australia. That was George Lazenby, he was Australian.
27:35 Josh Clark? Was he? You know what happened to him?
27:37 Speaker 03 Well, he wasn't much of an actor.
27:39 Josh Clark? Well, it wasn't just that. He, after the success of his Bond movie, I mean, he played James Bond, and it was, you know, filmed and produced and released.
27:48 Speaker 03 On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
27:50 Josh Clark? Right. He was like, "Holy cow, I'm James Bond, and I'm going to buy a boat and sail around the world for a while." And he came back, and his star had already faded, because he did one thing, and that was that.
28:01 Speaker 03 Oh, really?
28:01 Josh Clark? Yeah. He kind of blew it.
28:03 Speaker 03 He wasn't much of an actor either.
28:04 Josh Clark? It wasn't, but it wasn't just that. It was...
28:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
28:08 Josh Clark? It was a combination of those two things.
28:09 Speaker 03 He was a bad dude, though. Like, he got the role, apparently, because he impressed Ian Fleming, because he had a faux fight scene with a wrestler for his audition. And he actually punched the guy. Like, got mad and punched him. And Fleming's like, "This is our dude."
28:23 Josh Clark? Wow. Yeah, because Fleming wrote the Bond character as much darker.
28:27 Speaker 03 Yeah, the novel character, for sure.
28:29 Josh Clark? Like, Roger Moore took it in a very...
28:32 Speaker 03 Awful direction.
28:32 Josh Clark? Specific direction, you know, that was not the least bit like how Ian Fleming had written him.
28:38 Speaker 03 You're the ultimate Roger Moore apologist.
28:40 Josh Clark? I love Roger Moore.
28:42 Speaker 03 He was good in The Saint, and that's why he got the role, I think.
28:45 Josh Clark? Okay.
28:46 Speaker 03 The TV show The Saint.
28:47 Josh Clark? Sure. Alright, so Chuck, let's get back to the beginning again. So, we talked about Barry Nelson, and on the big screen, the first Bond ever was Sean Connery, right?
28:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, well, they did a pilot, though, on TV as well.
29:00 Josh Clark? That's the Barry Nelson one.
29:02 Speaker 03 Oh, it was called Casino Royale, though, no?
29:03 Josh Clark? Right, it was based on Casino Royale.
29:05 Speaker 03 Oh, gotcha.
29:06 Josh Clark? For climax.
29:07 Speaker 03 Okay, I understand that.
29:08 Josh Clark? Which I think, you know how they used to do like, they would have the name of the series, but then there'd be like different like, like Wonderful World of Disney?
29:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:16 Josh Clark? It was like the name of the series, but then there were different like documentaries or cartoons or whatever.
29:20 Speaker 03 Okay.
29:21 Josh Clark? I think it was like that.
29:22 Speaker 03 And that flopped, and it got cancelled.
29:23 Josh Clark? They didn't know what they were doing with TV back in the day.
29:25 Speaker 03 They had no idea.
29:25 Josh Clark? Yeah.
29:26 Speaker 03 So, yeah, you're right. Doctor No was the first film in 1962, and there's been 22 in total.
29:35 Speaker 03 No?
29:35 Josh Clark? Yes.
29:36 Speaker 03 And we're waiting, and that's official Bond films, because they parodied him in other things. Woody Allen played him, for heaven's sake.
29:44 Josh Clark? Yeah?
29:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:45 Josh Clark? In the parody he did of Casino Royale.
29:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:49 Josh Clark? There's also an unofficial Bond film with an official Bond, right?
29:56 Speaker 03 Let's hear it.
29:56 Josh Clark? Never Say Never Again.
29:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, that was Connery's, that was also fraught with lawsuits as well.
30:03 Josh Clark? That was based on the Thunderball lawsuit.
30:05 Speaker 03 Yeah, they remade Thunderball.
30:07 Josh Clark? Right, and they named it Never Say Never Again because Connery had said, after 1971, that he'd never play Bond again.
30:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
30:14 Josh Clark? Because he played Bond, what, for the first like six movies? Something like that?
30:19 Speaker 03 Uh, one, two, three, four, five, and then George Lazenby, then he came back and did Diamonds or Forever.
30:25 Josh Clark? And then after that came Roger Moore.
30:27 Speaker 03 Yes.
30:28 Josh Clark? And then Roger Moore had a pretty good run, so Sean Connery stops playing Bond, George Lazenby comes along, does it once.
30:37 Josh Clark? Leaves, Sean Connery has to come back another time. After Sean Connery, they get Roger Moore. In the midst of Roger Moore's run,
30:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
30:46 Josh Clark? Sean Connery makes another Bond film.
30:48 Speaker 03 That's when we were kids, too.
30:49 Josh Clark? 12 years after the last one he'd made.
30:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
30:52 Josh Clark? Right? And, yeah.
30:54 Speaker 03 Kim Basinger was the Bond chick in that one.
30:56 Josh Clark? Yes, she was. And they called it Never Say Never Again because he'd said that he would never play Bond again.
31:00 Speaker 03 Never Trebek.
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32:07 Josh Clark? You know, eating is a huge part of our lives. It fuels us, it brings us together, and it's one of life's great pleasures. But once a meal's over, we don't think much about what happens next, unless something starts to feel off. Because what we eat and how our bodies respond to it is complicated.
32:22 Speaker 03 That's right. From the very first bite, food kicks off a chain reaction, signals moving between the gut, the brain, and the immune system. The constant back and forth we can't see and often don't fully understand. So we want to introduce to you Eating Interrupted, a new podcast from iHeart Ruby Studio. It's hosted by longtime journalist and Crohn's patient Cynthia McFadden. Eating Interrupted explores everything from food allergies and intolerance, and why they seem to be on the rise, to how digestion Changes as we age and what it's really like to live with a chronic GI condition.
32:51 Josh Clark? Through personal stories and expert insight, listen in to unpack what it means when your body doesn't always respond to food the way you expect and what science is now revealing about why. Listen to Eating Interrupted on the iHeart app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
33:10 Speaker 04 First thought is like, wow, how are we going to do all this?
33:13 Josh Clark? Hey, this is Josh and Chuck from Stuff You Should Know.
33:16 Speaker 03 That's Alan Goya, planning engineer at AT&T, and he's talking about Intuit Dome, home of the Los Angeles Clippers, where every seat, screen, phone, and transaction is connected with AT&T fiber and 5G, redefining the fan's experience. And Alan's master plan made it all possible.
33:31 Speaker 04 It was good arrival, anything that was already built. And that takes quite a bit of people and different teams to all be on the same page.
33:39 Josh Clark? That includes field services manager Drexel Jones. His team made sure it all came together and held up on game day.
33:46 Speaker 05 Through what Alan's whole crew designed, we connected the event visitors to the world.
33:51 Speaker 03 And after years of hard work and collaboration, it was opening night.
33:55 Speaker 05 To actually see the whole stadium light up and data's flowing is a beautiful thing.
33:59 Speaker 04 What the fans experience is incredible. It gave me a lot of pride.
34:02 Josh Clark? AT&T, connecting fans to what they love.
34:06 Speaker 02 Connecting changes everything. AT&T.
34:10 Speaker 03 That's what he said.
34:11 Josh Clark? Right.
34:12 Speaker 03 Timothy Dalton, I guess we might as well venture into his years.
34:15 Josh Clark? Yeah, I, I, I saw those when they first came out, like in the theaters, and I didn't think anything of them. I don't know if they were over my head or whatever, but I didn't like them.
34:24 Speaker 03 They were pretty good. Living Daylights and License to Kill, they were both.
34:27 Josh Clark? Are they good, really?
34:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, they were, it was definitely a more novelistic Bond. Like, he was darker and a little more bad dude. And that, I mean, it might have had something to do with it was coming off the heels of Roger Moore in his vaudeville act that he brought to Bond. And Dalton had a two-picture run and then was replaced by who everyone thought should have been Bond before Dalton, Pierce Brosnan, for one, two, three, four films.
34:52 Josh Clark? Right.
34:53 Speaker 03 And then they went the inevitable direction with a blonde Bond.
34:58 Speaker 03 With Daniel Craig.
34:59 Josh Clark? Is that inevitable, you think?
35:00 Speaker 03 Well, I meant the inevitable way of making him a tough dude. But yeah, his blondness was not inevitable.
35:06 Josh Clark? You know, you make fun of Roger Moore, but he had a seven-picture stint as James Bond.
35:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, and that was our childhood. Trust me, dude, at the time, I loved it. But then, when I got older, I revisited all of the Sean Connerys. And then I saw the butt-kickiness of Timothy Dalton. And now Daniel Craig, and now I'm kinda like, Roger Moore was kinda the joke. To me. No? You still stand by it?
35:28 Josh Clark? I do.
35:29 Speaker 03 Alright.
35:29 Josh Clark? I like Roger Moore.
35:30 Speaker 03 Uh, Sam Neill was considered at one point.
35:33 Josh Clark? I could see him as James Bond.
35:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, he would've been bad.
35:35 Josh Clark? He was great in Dead Calm.
35:37 Speaker 03 Uh, yeah, that was a good movie.
35:39 Josh Clark? You know, I don't know that this even qualifies as a, um...
35:42 Speaker 03 Podcast?
35:46 Speaker 03 People are gonna be like, "Wow, you guys are just kinda chit-chatting."
35:50 Josh Clark? Chuck, there's also theories, tons of them. Best one, actually, the only one I could find, really, is the codename theory. Have you heard this?
35:59 Speaker 03 I have not.
36:00 Josh Clark? Cracked got a lot of publicity for it by, um... It's a fan theory. It basically says, James Bond is a... It's a name that goes along with 007. And there's... Each actor was playing an actual different person. Who had assumed this undercover name, James Bond.
36:21 Speaker 03 Really?
36:22 Josh Clark? Which explains the changes in personality.
36:24 Speaker 03 Yeah?
36:25 Josh Clark? Uh, it explains why Sean Connery was so suave and Roger Moore was so goofy.
36:29 Speaker 03 Sure.
36:30 Josh Clark? Uh, it explains why Daniel Craig and Timothy Dalton were so violent.
36:33 Speaker 03 Right, right.
36:34 Josh Clark? Um, it explains a lot of stuff, actually. It explains George Lazenby's departure. Because his wife, the only time James Bond has ever been married, died in that one, on her Majesty's Secret Service.
36:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, he had a wife. Most people don't know that.
36:48 Josh Clark? And she was killed by Blofeld.
36:49 Speaker 03 Uh-huh.
36:50 Josh Clark? Right?
36:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:50 Josh Clark? So, he leaves after that. That explains that, right?
36:55 Speaker 03 Absolutely.
36:55 Josh Clark? There's actually holes in that theory.
36:58 Speaker 03 Do you know them?
36:59 Josh Clark? I know a couple, like for example, George Lazenby recognized gadgets that were debuted during Sean Connery's tenure.
37:06 Speaker 03 Oh, right.
37:07 Josh Clark? He was a new person, he would, it would be new to him.
37:09 Speaker 03 He'd be like, what's this dart gun?
37:11 Josh Clark? Right, exactly.
37:12 Speaker 03 Right.
37:13 Josh Clark? Um, and I think, uh, The Spy Who Loved Me.
37:16 Speaker 03 Uh huh.
37:16 Josh Clark? Roger Moore is recognized from his college days at Cambridge as James Bond.
37:21 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
37:22 Josh Clark? Which would mean that he was using the name before then, but it's still a pretty cool theory. If you want any cool theory shot down, I recommend you go to commanderbond.net, M I six dot C O dot U K, or jamesbondwiki dot com. Those are some good sites.
37:39 Speaker 03 I'm gonna retract my Roger Moore bashing a little bit.
37:42 Josh Clark? Okay.
37:42 Speaker 03 I actually liked, like, four out of seven of his films.
37:46 Josh Clark? Okay, well, see?
37:47 Speaker 03 So you're right. I, I, sometimes I forget about the awesomeness of Live and Let Die and Man with a Golden Gun, For Your Eyes Only, those are all pretty good. It was like Octopussy, Moonraker was really silly, does not age well.
38:01 Josh Clark? Mm-hmm.
38:01 Speaker 03 At all. And, uh, View to a Kill, I just can't get behind that one.
38:05 Josh Clark? View to a Kill is awesome. What about, um, The Spy Who Loved Me? That's the one with the underwater Lotus.
38:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, great, great movie.
38:12 Josh Clark? Um, and I have one last fact, are you ready?
38:15 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
38:16 Josh Clark? The legendary Bond producer, co-producer, Albert Cubby Broccoli.
38:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
38:22 Josh Clark? His family invented broccoli. They crossed cauliflower with reeb and invented broccoli and he actually left the family farm to go to Hollywood to pursue his fortune when he was like eighteen.
38:31 Speaker 03 Are you making this up?
38:32 Josh Clark? I am not.
38:32 Speaker 03 He invented broccoli?
38:33 Josh Clark? His family did, it's like parents, grandparents.
38:36 Speaker 03 That's a pretty good fact.
38:37 Josh Clark? Broccoli.
38:38 Speaker 03 Very cool. Good for him. They're in trouble now though, cause MGM is in trouble.
38:43 Josh Clark? Yeah, but they're saying like, it's just a blip on the radar. If you listen to any, anybody who's attached to the Bond twenty-three.
38:50 Speaker 03 Oh, it'll happen at some point, but it's being.
38:52 Josh Clark? It's fine.
38:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's being delayed big time though, because MGM's in, in, over their heads financially.
38:57 Josh Clark? If you know anything about, um, MGM, if you're an insider at MGM, we wanna hear from you. Let us know. What's going on with Bond?
39:04 Speaker 03 That's funny. Uh, we should, we gotta talk about Bond Girls. That's one of the hallmarks of Bond films and, uh, Usually, there's two Bond girls, at least. There's like, a hot villain, and like, a hot, uh... An aide that helps him out in some way. Sometimes she turns out to be a villain. But there's usually two Bond girls, and he's equally attracted to both.
39:27 Josh Clark? Like Grace Jones?
39:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, he was attracted to her for some reason. Uh, they are femme fatales, like I said. Bond cannot help but fall for them, even though they... It might mean, he has to eventually kill them, after he makes sweet love to them.
39:42 Josh Clark? Right.
39:44 Speaker 03 And, uh, I'm gonna go ahead and ask you what your favorite Bond girl is.
39:48 Josh Clark? I just, um, recently realized that Carrie Lowell, uh, was a Bond girl. And I used to have the biggest crush on her when I would watch, um...
39:59 Speaker 03 Wild Orchid?
40:00 Josh Clark? No, uh, Law and Order reruns on A and E.
40:04 Speaker 03 Yeah.
40:04 Josh Clark? They used to show, like, Law and Order for like, eight-hour blocks on A and E. And I'd be like, "I'm not going to class today, I'm just gonna watch Law and Order." And she was on a lot of them. And she... Yeah, she would be my favorite Bond girl.
40:15 Speaker 03 I'm going with, uh, Ursula Andress.
40:17 Josh Clark? Yeah?
40:18 Speaker 03 She was hot, dude. Back in the day, she played Honey Rider. And that's another hallmark of the Bond women, is they usually had really awful names that hinted at sexual innuendo.
40:31 Josh Clark? Yeah.
40:31 Speaker 03 You know?
40:32 Josh Clark? Plenty o' tool.
40:33 Speaker 03 Honey Rider, Pussy Galore, uh... Actually, Solitaire, Jane Seymour, she was pretty good in Live and Let Die. Like, that... She was actually a really good actor.
40:43 Josh Clark? Okay.
40:43 Speaker 03 Uh, Moonraker, of course, uh, had Holly Goodhead. And, uh, A View to a Kill had Tanya Roberts. As Stacey Sutton. They didn't even give her a cool name.
40:56 Josh Clark? So, Chuck, what's the best, um, Bond theme song?
40:59 Speaker 03 Well...
41:00 Josh Clark? Let me take a wild guess.
41:03 Speaker 03 I'm gonna say Live and Let Die is probably my favorite.
41:07 Josh Clark? I would've put a thousand dollars on that.
41:09 Speaker 03 Or, um...
41:12 Speaker 03 What's her name, Carly Simon, Spy Who Loved Me, Nobody Does It Better. Love that song.
41:17 Josh Clark? Dude, best Bond theme song, if it's not Duran Duran's View to a Kill.
41:22 Speaker 03 Oh, okay.
41:22 Josh Clark? If it's not that, it is Nancy Sinatra singing You Only Live Twice.
41:27 Speaker 03 Yeah, that was awesome.
41:28 Josh Clark? Yes, it was.
41:29 Speaker 03 Shirley Bassey, just another little factoid.
41:31 Josh Clark? She did two.
41:32 Speaker 03 No, she did more than that. She did Goldfinger, she did Diamonds Are Forever. She did.
41:37 Josh Clark? Two.
41:37 Speaker 03 Moonraker.
41:39 Josh Clark? Moonraker.
41:41 Speaker 03 That's, that's three total. I was also a big fan of Sheena Easton's For Your Eyes Only.
41:45 Josh Clark? Yeah, she did a good one.
41:47 Speaker 03 And Rita Coolidge, all time high, for Mock the Pussy.
41:50 Josh Clark? Didn't Tom Jones do Thunderball or something?
41:52 Speaker 03 He did.
41:53 Josh Clark? Yeah.
41:53 Speaker 03 He did Thunderball.
41:54 Josh Clark? Quite a guy.
41:55 Speaker 03 And since we're talking about the songs that have really gotten lame in recent years, like the Chris Cornell one and Garbage, you probably didn't even remember they did songs.
42:05 Josh Clark? Garbage did the one for.
42:07 Speaker 03 World Is Not Enough.
42:09 Josh Clark? Oh, okay.
42:09 Speaker 03 Pierce Brosnan.
42:10 Josh Clark? Yeah.
42:11 Speaker 03 And Sheryl Crow did one.
42:13 Josh Clark? Did she really?
42:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:14 Josh Clark? Well, it is lame.
42:15 Speaker 03 And Madonna did one, and now it's gotten to the point where they're just like, like the last one, they put Jack White with Alicia Keys.
42:23 Josh Clark? Up next is Miley Cyrus.
42:25 Speaker 03 Oh, God, saying it ain't so.
42:27 Josh Clark? Bond 23.
42:29 Speaker 03 Uh, what else do we have here?
42:31 Josh Clark? This is the podcast that won't die.
42:33 Speaker 03 No, I do have.
42:34 Josh Clark? It's like James Bond, it just goes on.
42:35 Speaker 03 I do have a couple of more facts.
42:37 Josh Clark? Okay.
42:38 Speaker 03 Well, first of all, before we move on, if we're gonna talk about the songs, we need to talk about the opening sequences, the title sequences. When you're a young Baptist boy, and there are naked silhouetted women jumping on trampolines.
42:49 Josh Clark? Yeah.
42:49 Speaker 03 It's very titillating.
42:51 Josh Clark? And arousing.
42:52 Speaker 03 And arousing for a young boy named Chuck.
42:54 Josh Clark? I'm titillated and aroused.
42:56 Speaker 03 And then the opening sequence of the films typically is some awesome action scene.
43:02 Speaker 03 And then the title sequence comes up. There'll be like a seven-minute action scene.
43:05 Josh Clark? Right, they call that a cold opening, buddy.
43:07 Speaker 03 A cold opening?
43:08 Josh Clark? Uh huh.
43:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's very nice. And I just got a couple of more facts for you, Josh, and then I'll let you put this to bed.
43:14 Josh Clark? Alright.
43:14 Speaker 03 With, what would you say is the highest grossing Bond film of all time? Adjusted gross.
43:19 Josh Clark? Adjusted gross, I would say Casino Royale.
43:24 Speaker 03 No. Top two all time, Thunderball and Goldfinger.
43:27 Josh Clark? You're a liar.
43:28 Speaker 03 Adjusted gross.
43:30 Josh Clark? You know Casino Royale worldwide netted like, almost $600 million so far.
43:37 Speaker 03 Bunch of money. Thunderball and Goldfinger did more.
43:39 Josh Clark? Did they really?
43:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, Thunderball in 1965, dude, grossed $141 million.
43:45 Josh Clark? What?
43:46 Speaker 03 And that-
43:46 Josh Clark? Wait, is that worldwide or US?
43:48 Speaker 03 That's worldwide.
43:49 Josh Clark? Okay.
43:50 Speaker 03 And that is close to what License to Kill grossed in 1989. That grossed like 150 something. And Thunderball, you know, 30 years more, grossed 141 million.
44:04 Josh Clark? Right, but what I'm saying is Casino Royale grossed 600 million.
44:11 Speaker 03 Well, I mean, yeah. That's not an adjusted gross, though. You can't compare 1965 dollars.
44:14 Josh Clark? Oh, I see. You're figuring inflation in.
44:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's why it's called an adjusted gross.
44:20 Speaker 03 And that's about it. I mean, we could say the cars he used, real quickly, the Aston Martin, obviously.
44:25 Josh Clark? My favorite is the Lotus.
44:27 Speaker 03 The Lotus, the Alfa Romeo, and then that new Audi that's pretty cool.
44:30 Josh Clark? Do you like the Audi?
44:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, it looks awesome.
44:33 Josh Clark? Okay.
44:33 Speaker 03 But I do miss the Lotus and the fact that it could also be a submarine.
44:36 Josh Clark? Right. And lastly, Chuck, I would like to say to all the kids of our generation, if you ever noticed a similarity between Inspector Gadget and James Bond, you are dead on.
44:49 Speaker 03 Yeah. You think so?
44:51 Josh Clark? Yeah. Alright, so that's about it. If you want to know more about James Bond, like I said, there are three, at least three really good websites for all things Bond fandom. You can check out our website by typing James Bond. Brings up a bunch of stuff in the handy search bar. And now, if you can believe it, it is time for listener mail.
45:17 Speaker 03 Yes, Josh, I'm gonna call this Samurai Stuff from Thomas.
45:22 Speaker 03 Guys, I'm a total Samurai geek. I practice Japanese sword-based martial arts, kendo and ayado. I've read all this material about Samurai, and your podcast was a very good introduction, and I thank you for it. However, I'm kinda surprised you did not mention the greatest Samurai of all time, Miyamoto Musashi. This guy was the epitome of everything Samurai were supposed to be: a dedicated soi- soi-vent, a poet, a painter, a calligrapher, philosopher, a general, and an all-round butt-kicking killer. Not only did he write The Book of Five Rings, he also killed sixty men in single combat before age forty, not to mention all the guys he killed in warfare. At one point in your podcast, you talked about the wooden katana called bokun in Japanese.
46:05 Speaker 03 Uh, yes, it was a practice sword, Josh, but it was also a weapon in its own right. Because Japan is such a wet climate, swords were sometimes destroyed by rust. Bokun were cheap and easy to replace, and Musashi was famous for winning some of his greatest battles with the wooden sword.
46:20 Josh Clark? Ow.
46:21 Speaker 03 I know, can you imagine, dude?
46:22 Josh Clark? Ow.
46:24 Josh Clark? Getting smacked to death.
46:26 Speaker 03 Well, he says, instead of cutting someone's heads off, he would brain them. Which I guess means...
46:32 Josh Clark? Like you crack their skull out.
46:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, until their brains come out. Um, also, he was a big fan of using two swords at one time, sometimes two katana, sometimes the short and the long, whatever it took to do the job. You guys rock, I love your show, I'm grateful for the Samurai show, from Thomas.
46:48 Josh Clark? Well, thank you, Thomas, for the extra information. As I said, we are always interested in knowing everything we possibly can about a subject, so if you have anything to tell us about James Bond that we missed, that we got wrong, that we need to know, we want to hear it, wrap it up and send it in an email. Don't forget to spank it on the bottom and maybe serve it a, uh, dry martini, shaken, not stirred. Address it to [email protected] .
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