10ish Instances of People Doing Things Out Of Spite

You want payback don’t you? Sure, we all do. We all want it so bad. So bad. Sometimes people do things to get payback against someone who’s wronged them and sometimes those things they do are memorable and monumental. We commemorate some here. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:02Speaker 00

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• 1:13Josh Clark?

  Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's Chuck and this is Stuff You Should Know. And this episode Chuck just made fun of, even though I took pride in helping to assemble it.

• 1:25Speaker 02

  Oh, it's fine. It's a, it's a top 10. We haven't done those in forever.

• 1:29Josh Clark?

  No.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  It's always kind of a fun throwback and we, it seems like we never do 10 with our three X structure. Nine is probably a great number, but I guess we'll see what happens, right?

• 1:39Josh Clark?

  Let's see what happens.

• 1:42Josh Clark?

  So you know the, the old saying, cut off your nose to spite your face?

• 1:47Speaker 02

  Yes, and I feel like we did this on an internet roundup or something, maybe. It sounded really familiar.

• 1:53Josh Clark?

  This story did?

• 1:54Speaker 02

  It did.

• 1:54Josh Clark?

  Okay.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Not to you?

• 1:56Josh Clark?

  No, as a matter of fact, it was all new to me, but that doesn't mean we didn't do it already.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you would remember this one because it involves self mutilation.

• 2:04Josh Clark?

  So just want to put out there that this actually has nothing to do with that phrase. And I'll explain why that phrase doesn't actually have anything to do with this.

• 2:14Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 2:15Josh Clark?

  But I guess I should probably say that we're starting this episode out in like the worst possible way with a really downer of a story that may or may not have to do with spite. So I say we just go ahead and start that now.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  Yes, there is a book, and this is the, as the story goes, the book in 1904 called A Dictionary of Saintly Women.

• 2:40Speaker 02

  The story is that Viking, you know, berserker raider types came pillaging southward to the British Isles at one point. Well, not at one point, in 867 CE specifically. And while they were doing their berserkering and ravaging of the villages and things, things, there was obviously the kind of thing that would happen would be assaults on people, physically, sexually, and otherwise. And so when they went to a monastery in Scotland, the Coldingham monastery, the lead nun, Saint Abi the Younger, said, hey, here's what we'll do. We want to keep our chastity and our covenant to God. It's a big deal for us nuns.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  We should cut off our noses to keep that from happening because they won't assault us then.

• 3:27Josh Clark?

  But not to spite our faces, to spite the Vikings.

• 3:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, not even to spite, I think. I think it's to protect themselves from sexual assault.

• 3:36Josh Clark?

  Sure.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  I mean, this is all horrific.

• 3:38Josh Clark?

  It is horrific. Yeah. No, I'm not saying like this is a laugh riot or anything like that. I'm just saying.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  No, no, no, I didn't think you were.

• 3:44Josh Clark?

  Anyway, back to the horrific story. Saint Abi said, and she wasn't a saint at the time, but this certainly helped her case later on. She said, come, nuns, let's go sit around and talk. I have something to say to you. To prevent ourselves from losing our chastity, from being raped by these Vikings, we're going to cut off our own noses. I'm going to cut off my lip and maybe I'll inspire you to do the same. And the rest of the sisters said, yes, let's do that. And they did. And there's actually old like wood cuttings. And there's at least one stained glass panel of this happening and it's gory. Even as a wood cutting, it's gory.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:26Josh Clark?

  And when the Vikings showed up, they found these nuns missing their noses, bleeding, missing their lips, just in quite a state. And they were like, we're just going to move on to the next monastery and see what we find there. The nuns, however, were not, their lives were not spared, were they?

• 4:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, it gets even worse because what the Vikings did was burn the place down with them inside and killed them all.

• 4:51Josh Clark?

  Yeah, but there's a different way of looking at this, and that is that these nuns protected their chastity, which as you said, is like really, really important. They're known as the brides of Christ, and that's one of the reasons why they're chaste, why they're meant to die virgins, is because they have given themselves to Christ or to God. So as long as they're chaste and they die chaste, then they have fulfilled this covenant, even if it's not by their own will or decision that they lose their virginity, if they lose it through force, still not quite the same as dying chaste. So they managed to come out

• 5:30Josh Clark?

  on top, religiously speaking. So that's that story. Oh, the reason why it doesn't have anything to do with cutting your nose off to spite your face is because that phrase means that you're doing something in revenge to somebody else or to harm somebody else, but you're actually harming yourself much worse than you are them.

• 5:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they just burned them down. They didn't spite anybody.

• 5:53Josh Clark?

  Right. So that's a heck of a way to kick off what was supposed to be a semi-light-hearted top 10 list.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, wait, but doesn't it mean to spite your own face?

• 6:03Josh Clark?

  Right. So you're harming yourself.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I got you.

• 6:06Josh Clark?

  You see what I'm saying?

• 6:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just got confused.

• 6:08Josh Clark?

  It's kind of like, there's another saying that hating somebody is like drinking poison and expecting them to die.

• 6:16Speaker 02

  I've never heard that.

• 6:17Josh Clark?

  It's a good one. It really gets the point across. It makes you not want to hate or stew or something about someone else.

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Wow, that's really good. I like that.

• 6:24Josh Clark?

  Thanks a lot. I just made it up.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  Look at you dropping nugs. All right, let's talk about Henry Clay Frick because he was a Gilded Age, I don't know about robber baron, but he was at very least a mogul. And along with Andrew Carnegie, they made quite a lot of money together as partners in the steel industry.

• 6:44Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  That relationship went south and Carnegie got him out of the picture, got Frick out of the picture. And, you know, to the point where he was Carnegie was sued and Frick actually won a lawsuit and won compensation and everything. But it wasn't like he was like, all right, we're all even now. He hated Andrew Carnegie for the rest of his life.

• 7:04Josh Clark?

  Yeah, anytime like Carnegie's companies, I can't remember which steel company was he owned, but anytime there was like some misstep or bad decision or business went awry, Frick would send a note like chiding him or taunting him for having made a terrible decision. Like just constantly kept it up. There was, I think Carnegie built a mansion in New York and Frick was like, oh yeah, I'm going to build an even bigger one right down the street just to show you up. Like would not let it go.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure. Anything you can do, I can do bigger and better. And so you would think at the end of their lives, they could just let bygones be bygones. And that's what Andrew Carnegie tried to do when he was in failing health. Said, can you get in touch with my old partner, Frick, Mr. Henry Clay Frick? And tell him he's got a great name and tell him that I'd like to meet up with him and patch this thing up before we're gone off of this earth. And so they brought the letter he dispatched as his personal secretary, James Bridge, to send this to Frick personally. And Frick apparently balled up the letter and threw it back at him and said, tell him I'll see him in hell where we are both going.

• 8:13Josh Clark?

  Yeah. Great comeback.

• 8:15Speaker 02

  I'll meet him in hell.

• 8:17Josh Clark?

  Yeah. His other thing that he was said to have said was not until he admits that I'm the Mary and you're the Rota.

• 8:24Speaker 02

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• 8:39Josh Clark?

  Uh, no.

• 8:40Speaker 02

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• 8:42Josh Clark?

  Sure.

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• 8:52Speaker 02

  I can't remember, but anyway, Emily and I started watching old Mary Tyler Moore episodes.

• 8:55Josh Clark?

  Like the original where she worked at the TV station?

• 8:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it is, I watched a little bit when I was a kid, but man, it is so good and it's so funny and charming and witty and like, still great.

• 9:08Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 9:09Speaker 02

  It holds up.

• 9:10Josh Clark?

  Those shows used to like, just be written so well, too, and acted.

• 9:14Speaker 02

  She was so good.

• 9:15Josh Clark?

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• 9:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, Ted Knight.

• 9:22Josh Clark?

  He was doing, he was doing something and it was so ridiculous and preposterous, but he was playing it straight so well that the rest of the cast just started cracking up and like, they couldn't not, they did it in every take and it ended up kind of in the show. It's some classic, like, well-known episode, but check that one out. Make sure you, you see that one, too.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  Oh, so good. Ted Knight and who's the woman who played Rhoda?

• 9:52Josh Clark?

  Valerie Burton Ali? No.

• 9:54Speaker 02

  No.

• 9:55Josh Clark?

  Valerie.

• 9:57Speaker 02

  Oh, it's killing me. Valerie Harper.

• 9:59Josh Clark?

  There you go.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  Valerie Harper.

• 10:02Speaker 02

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• 10:09Speaker 02

  I hope she's still good as a person.

• 10:11Josh Clark?

  Sure.

• 10:12Speaker 02

  I watched the documentary about her. It's worthwhile.

• 10:14Josh Clark?

  Oh, really?

• 10:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's excellent, in fact.

• 10:16Josh Clark?

  All right, I'll check it out.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, quite a, quite a woman.

• 10:19Josh Clark?

  Well, thanks for the recommendation.

• 10:21Speaker 02

  Hey, sure. I feel like we've killed some time. Should we do a third and then take a break?

• 10:26Josh Clark?

  I think that's a great idea, Chuck.

• 10:28Speaker 02

  All right, we're gonna talk about Saddam Hussein. And Saddam Hussein didn't like one George H. W. Bush, who was the guy who said his name that way because of the first Gulf War.

• 10:39Josh Clark?

  Yeah. He said, sure, I invaded Kuwait, but that doesn't mean you have to come over here and liberate Kuwait. And George Bush said, yes, we do. And as a result, after this war, Saddam Hussein was still in power. And he apparently was willing to use his power in all sorts of weird ways, and tacky ways, frankly. And one of the ways he did that was he had a mosaic mural, an unflattering mosaic mural of George Bush laid into the floor of the entrance of the Al Rashid Hotel, one of the nicest hotels in Baghdad, if not the nicest. And the whole

• 11:19Josh Clark?

  reason was, it also said, Bush is criminal on it, too. And the reason was that anyone coming into this well-traveled hotel would walk right over George Bush's face.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  Right. And if you walked around it, you were given a bad room.

• 11:33Josh Clark?

  Right. Or taken out back and shot, one of the two.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  Did you look at a picture of this?

• 11:38Josh Clark?

  I did. It is an unflattering portrait. But you can totally tell who it is.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  You totally tell who it is. This big old George Bush Senior, right there on the floor of the hotel, of the lobby. It's a very strange thing to see in a nice hotel.

• 11:52Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 11:52Speaker 02

  But W came along later on, went back to Iraq for the, you know, the war there on the basis of weapons of mass destruction that did not exist.

• 12:05Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 12:06Speaker 02

  And he had them smash that up. And he's like, Daddy, I'm not gonna let them do that to you. Here's some sledgehammers. And so they went in there and they smashed that thing up and chiseled it up and supposedly laid a portrait of Saddam. They didn't do that in mosaic tile, did they?

• 12:22Josh Clark?

  I don't think so. From what I saw, it looked just like a picture. I didn't see a close-up of it. I just saw it.

• 12:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, I couldn't find one either.

• 12:29Josh Clark?

  Like, the head was out of proportion with the body.

• 12:32Speaker 02

  It's like, here's some sledgehammers, and I need a good tile guy in Baghdad.

• 12:36Josh Clark?

  Right. The sledgehammer's head don't mess with Texas engraved on him.

• 12:39Speaker 02

  They probably did.

• 12:40Josh Clark?

  But, yeah. I mean, that's spiteful, right?

• 12:43Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 12:44Josh Clark?

  To make a mosaic portrait of one of your sworn enemies so that your people walk all over him?

• 12:49Speaker 02

  I think so. To ruin your hotel lobby, your nicest hotel lobby?

• 12:52Josh Clark?

  Yeah. All right, so we have a definitive example of spite.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 12:58Josh Clark?

  Well, then I think that means we should take a break while we're ahead.

• 13:01Speaker 02

  All right, we'll be right back with three more.

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• 14:04Josh Clark?

  Hey, this is Josh and Chuck from Stuff You Should Know.

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• 15:12Josh Clark?

  Okay Chuck, I guess we should at this point decide which one we're not going to do if we're doing three, three and three.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  Well, I think the Beatles one has the least amount of meat on the bone.

• 15:26Josh Clark?

  All right, I was gonna skip that one too, or suggest we do.

• 15:30Speaker 02

  Great.

• 15:30Josh Clark?

  And if you did it, I was just gonna not talk, so I was gonna skip it either way.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, we can just quickly say that at one point after the Beatles breakup, John Lennon wrote a song where he talked a lot of trash about Paul McCartney, so.

• 15:42Josh Clark?

  Out of spite.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  Everyone knows that story.

• 15:45Speaker 02

  It's a very, very famous story. But the one that's really interesting to me is Ford versus Ferrari, because that is a terrific movie that I highly recommend.

• 15:55Josh Clark?

  Is it on Criterion Channel?

• 15:57Speaker 02

  I doubt it, but I'm sure you could stream it somewhere. The great James Mangold directed it, and I'm always a fan of his work. He did the new Bob Dylan movie.

• 16:04Josh Clark?

  What else?

• 16:06Speaker 02

  He did the last Indiana Jones movie, which was better than the one before.

• 16:10Josh Clark?

  What else?

• 16:11Speaker 02

  Uh, I don't know. He's done, James Mangold's good. He sort of has a very varied resume, which I always appreciate in a director.

• 16:18Josh Clark?

  Yeah, I was gonna say that's all over the place, for sure.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:22Josh Clark?

  So I guess if you've seen Ford versus Ferrari, you're familiar with this story?

• 16:26Speaker 02

  I am, and I do recommend it. He also did the Wolverine movie and the Logan movie. So yeah, he's all over the place.

• 16:34Josh Clark?

  Okay, so I'm gonna tell the story then, because I haven't seen that movie, so this was new to me.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  Ooh, you'd like it.

• 16:40Josh Clark?

  Okay, so in the 60s, Henry Ford II, who was the successor president of the Ford Motor Company, and I guess probably a relative of Henry Ford's, he decided that he wanted Ford to get into racing, just to basically like make Ford, just to expand the brand, basically.

• 17:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:00Josh Clark?

  Rather than just giant land yachts, we also make really fast cars, too.

• 17:05Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 17:05Josh Clark?

  He also was like, you know, I know that there's probably easier ways to get into racing than to build race cars, and that is, let's just buy Ferrari. Like, they were already known around the world for building cars that were just fast as all get out.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  That's right. And their very famous founder, Enzo Ferrari, pitched a deal for 18 million bucks for 90% interest in the company. And as the movie portrays it, this isn't in this article, but as the movie portrays it, if I'm not mistaken, and I'm not sure if this is true or not, but at least it was in the movie. I don't see why they would make this part up, is that he was using that deal to get a better deal from Fiat. So playing one against the other, which will really make someone mad in business.

• 17:48Josh Clark?

  Sure.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Apparently, when Ford showed up to sign the paperwork, Ferrari said that, you know what, you're, this Ford assembly line, this bureaucracy that you've got in this company is, this is not how we do it over here. So, no deal.

• 18:02Josh Clark?

  Right. And Ford was not very happy about this, right?

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Of course not.

• 18:06Josh Clark?

  So, out of spite, and to get back at Ferrari, and I think also to get into racing too, Ford decided to build their own race car, which came out to be the Ford GT40. And I went and looked it up. I'm not a car dude, but I am like,

• 18:22Speaker 02

  Same here.

• 18:23Josh Clark?

  This is an amazing car.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  I'm the same way, man.

• 18:25Josh Clark?

  And in fact, it actually did best Ferrari at Le Mans in 1966. And you can buy that car, at the very least, the original body, that won Le Mans in 1966, for a cool $675,000 from a, it looks like a private owner in Jacksonville, Florida.

• 18:45Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 18:47Josh Clark?

  It's beautiful.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  So, they won first, second, and third. So, they really bested Ferrari. They also won in subsequent years. So, they swept, or not swept, but they won in 66, 67, 68, and 69.

• 19:02Josh Clark?

  That's a sweep?

• 19:03Speaker 02

  Well, I meant not sweep for second and third place necessarily. Or they may have, I don't know. But, I think we should do one on the 24 hours of Le Mans because that's, that's, I'm not a car race guy, but that to me is the most interesting one.

• 19:17Josh Clark?

  Yeah, because they just drive around and around and around for 24 hours to see who can go the furthest, right?

• 19:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's pretty cool.

• 19:23Josh Clark?

  It's an endurance race.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  And it's not just like a, you know, a circular NASCAR thing, you know, they're driving through streets.

• 19:30Josh Clark?

  Right, and every once in a while it starts to get boring, they just push pedestrians out in there and see what happens.

• 19:35Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 19:36Josh Clark?

  So there's a little more to this story, a little separate spoke that Ferrari had going on at about the same time or a couple of years earlier. Our friends at Mental Foss pointed out that Lamborghini actually was founded out of spite to Ferrari.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, apparently the founder of Lamborghini, John Smith, his name was Ferrucio Lamborghini. He was a tractor maker in the 60s and he had a Ferrari and he was like, this, this clutch is kind of janky. And as the story goes, he got in touch with Enzo Ferrari and it's like, hey, you know, I think I can help make your clutch better because you got this problem here with this spawn divot and I can help make that thing better. And apparently, as the story goes, Ferrari was, did not receive that phone call well and was basically like, get lost.

• 20:28Josh Clark?

  Yeah, he said, stick to making tractors, Lamborghini. Who's ever heard of Lamborghini?

• 20:33Speaker 02

  Exactly, what a weird name for a car.

• 20:35Josh Clark?

  Right, so Lamborghini was like, well, I'm just going to go make my own car. And in 1963, I believe, he started making Lamborghinis with the help of five workers who had recently been fired from Ferrari. That's how he established his car company. And had Enzo Ferrari not rebuffed him, we would never have that classic Garfield poster from the 80s where he's standing next to a Countach.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  Uh, you and I are not car guys, but like if I see a Lamborghini on the street or something, or like the old Magnum Ferrari, I, I love that stuff.

• 21:11Josh Clark?

  Tinkle yourself?

• 21:13Speaker 02

  A little bit. I mean, you know, I'm not a sports car guy, but uh, I just can't help but see those and think like, what a, what an amazing machine that is.

• 21:21Josh Clark?

  Gorgeous. Those Magnum Ferraris you can get for a song these days. I mean, they don't work very well, but

• 21:26Speaker 02

  Like how much?

• 21:27Josh Clark?

  I don't know. I'm going to guess anywhere between 10 and 50 grand.

• 21:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, considering how much they were, that is a song, you know?

• 21:34Josh Clark?

  It is. And they're so small too. Like, I'm not sure either one of us could fit in one of those.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, I think every guy, I mean, Thomas Magna fitted them, but.

• 21:45Josh Clark?

  Yeah. I, I think that was a stunt double, half his size.

• 21:47Speaker 02

  Uh, really? Well, he was, when it showed him in the car, his knees were up toward his chin a bit, so.

• 21:52Josh Clark?

  Like by his ears.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. Cause he was, he was a tall guy, but um, I uh, like that Ferrari, I feel like for, for guys of our generation, that Ferrari and the, um, the Porsche from Risky Business are like top, two of the top five probably dream cars.

• 22:08Josh Clark?

  Was that a 944 or 911?

• 22:11Speaker 02

  It was the, uh, no, in the 911, it was the 928.

• 22:18Josh Clark?

  I'm not familiar with that one then.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. It, it had the lights that popped up. It was, it was one of the, not as lauded versions, I think. But man, and that, it's just something about that movie. It just sort of locked it in. I mean, it's like a little hatchback. It's not even that special.

• 22:33Josh Clark?

  Hatchback.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  When you look at it now.

• 22:36Josh Clark?

  Yeah. For grocery shopping.

• 22:38Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 22:39Josh Clark?

  Uh, how many have we done for this thing? We just did one, right?

• 22:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh yeah. We gotta get going.

• 22:44Josh Clark?

  Okay. All right. Let's get going. Because um, it turns out that there was a road in China made out of spite.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  That's right. And I feel like I've seen this in more than one place in the world where.

• 22:58Josh Clark?

  Oh, really?

• 22:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, not even necessarily a road, but like, uh, where like, well, you don't want to give up your house, so we're just going to build these skyscrapers all around it.

• 23:05Josh Clark?

  Right, sure. Did you see pictures of this, though?

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. This is, this is the extreme because, and this happened in China to this, uh, couple. In 2012, uh, the man's name was, uh, Luo, uh, Bogan?

• 23:20Josh Clark?

  Bogan?

• 23:21Speaker 02

  Bogan?

• 23:21Josh Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 23:22Speaker 02

  Uh, he and his wife, uh, refused to, you know, they tried to come in and take their, their house to make a, a highway. And they were like, no, we're not going to do it. You didn't offer us enough money. And so we're not going anywhere. And so they built, I mean, if you visual, if you're visualizing a house literally sort of in the middle of a, of a road and the road just goes around it, that's what they did.

• 23:45Josh Clark?

  Yeah, like, it wasn't even a roundabout. It's just that the road widened and kind of curved in a bulge on the sides around this house, literally in the middle of a highway. Even worse, even more reckless, if you ask me, they kept electricity going to this house. So there's an electrical pole in the middle of the highway too, totally unmarked.

• 24:07Speaker 02

  It doesn't look real.

• 24:09Josh Clark?

  No, it doesn't. It does not at all, does it? And if you want to see what we're talking about, um, The Atlantic has a good photo spread called "The House in the Middle of the Street" from, yeah, 2012.

• 24:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, this is the most extreme case of something like this that I've heard. Uh, you know, it didn't take long for them to give in, obviously, because it was, well, dangerous and awful. Uh, and so they got, um, they did eventually give in and got a, a larger offer than they originally asked for, but I don't get the feeling that they thought they won.

• 24:39Josh Clark?

  No, they definitely didn't. So, um, I've, I've looked into this a little further. It was a five-story house that they had just built for 95 grand when the, the, um, provincial government said, "You need to move because we're building a highway through here." And they weren't the only ones who, um, had kind of tried to stick it out. So they were also aware that they could not leave their house. They had to stay in their house 24 hours a day because if they left, the government would come and bulldoze their house while they were gone and be like, "TS, what are you gonna do?" And they they had no choice, but just holding out was a kind of a protest and to draw attention to this.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:16Josh Clark?

  Generally unfair practice. Cause I mean, any government can exercise eminent domain, but typically you want to give at least market value.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it's it's really egregious when you look at this picture.

• 25:27Josh Clark?

  It's it's nuts, because they were they were on like their porch, the like a second floor balcony, and they're looking down and you're looking down, not at a front yard, you're looking down at the road, like it went right around this house.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Through it practically.

• 25:42Josh Clark?

  Yeah. So that was a spiteful road.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  That was a spiteful road, and now we're gonna talk about a spiteful statue.

• 25:49Josh Clark?

  That's right.

• 25:50Speaker 02

  Because in Germany, between the towns of Bonn and Buele, there's the Old Rhine River and the Rhine River Bridge that connects the two.

• 26:01Josh Clark?

  Mm hmm.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  And so the the Little Bridge Man or the Bruchinmanken, Bruchinmanken? It's kind of a mouthful.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  Is the Little Bridge Man, and that is a sculpture of a guy sort of bent over, sticking his butt out. And that became the the subject of a lot of contention, eventually backfiring. Is that right?

• 26:22Josh Clark?

  Yeah, so the story went that in the late 19th century, I think December 17th, 1898, this bridge between Bonn and Buele, which was supposed to be a joint construction project between the two, ended up being paid for entirely by Bonn, because Buele was like, we'll use the bridge, but we're not going to pay for it. You go ahead and pay for it.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:45Josh Clark?

  And so under wraps until this unveiling of the bridge was a that little statue of a little man carved into the bridge with his butt sticking out, basically mooning Buele.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Mooning Buele.

• 26:59Josh Clark?

  Can you imagine just the the hilarity of seeing that?

• 27:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:04Josh Clark?

  When it was unveiled?

• 27:06Speaker 02

  But like I said, it backfired because that statue became a bit of a local icon. So it, you know, it was on banknotes. It was on, people took pictures of it. It was on local postcards and it was a little tourist attraction. But what they did was they put a tax on the bridge, but only a tax going one way and not back into your own place.

• 27:30Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 27:31Speaker 02

  So what happened was from the Buell side, they could see the statue because it was pointing, you know, their butt was pointing at them.

• 27:38Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  So they got all the benefits of seeing this thing without having to pay to cross the bridge to see it. If you're on the other side and you wanted to go like actually see this statue, you had to pay to get across.

• 27:49Josh Clark?

  Yeah. And you can believe that anytime you had out of town guests visit, you had to take them to go see the little bridge man.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Go see the butt man.

• 27:56Josh Clark?

  So yeah, they, they ended up what was supposed to be a joke at the expense of Buell ended up to be an actual expense for the city of Bonn because they had to pay this fee to get onto the bridge. But supposedly they're friendly rivals still, or they were. Now I think they're one town, kind of like Budapest. There's Buddha and Pest and it's separated by the river, but it's still one city now.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:20Josh Clark?

  Same thing.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  And that's what Bonn and Buell.

• 28:22Josh Clark?

  That's, that's how I understand it. So this, um, you can still see the, the little bridge man, but he's not the original. The original was almost destroyed in the second world war. The bridge was at least, but they were able to, to get their hands on the statue and get them out of the Rhine. They put them back on the rebuilt bridge, but then some local youths in 1960 destroyed that. So now there's a recreation of it on the bridge.

• 28:48Speaker 02

  Little punk rockers.

• 28:49Josh Clark?

  Yeah. Little punks at least.

• 28:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:53Josh Clark?

  So that's, that was a, um, a little bridge man made out of spite.

• 28:58Speaker 02

  All right. And I think that's break number two and we'll be back to finish up with three more right after this.

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• 30:16Josh Clark?

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• 31:15Speaker 02

  All right, we're going to talk about, and I've seen stories sort of like this, but this one seems to take the cake. When a Christmas display goes too far, and all of a sudden, people or neighbors are like, hey, this is getting out of hand. It's too bright. Or it's, you know, people are driving in to see these things now and I can't even get down my own street.

• 31:36Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 31:37Speaker 02

  And this happened in the mid 2000s in Ross Township, Pennsylvania, when a dude named Bill, an electrician, he named Bill Ansel, did a pretty, you know, audacious Christmas display in his front yard there in Ross Township, such that people were driving in and neighbors started to get annoyed.

• 31:56Josh Clark?

  Yeah, and actually, the way that this neighborhood was arranged is a cul-de-sac, but in the center of the cul-de-sac was Bill Ansel's house. So with his light display, it was just kind of like driving through a holiday light display because you just drive past and go all the way around and come back on the other side and leave.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  It's kind of perfect, actually.

• 32:16Josh Clark?

  It was perfect. And Bill Ansel definitely thought it was perfect. But like you said, the neighbors were like, man, come on, this is 100,000 watts of Christmas joy. It's just, it's too much. So can we do something about this? Bill Ansel apparently was not the type to take criticism well.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  Sounds like it.

• 32:35Josh Clark?

  I think he actually was required to take down the holiday display.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  By the town?

• 32:41Josh Clark?

  Yes. I think they cited him for an out of season decoration or something like that, right? So he took it down, but in short order, he put up a new display and specifically designed it so that the neighbors regretted ever asking him to take down the original joyous display. And he did this, Chuck, out of spite.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  That's right. And apparently left it up year round. Santa urinating in the front yard, a choir that was beheaded, Frosty the Snowman getting run over by a car. Also up in lights, F, Ross Township.

• 33:25Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  Just, just right there in string lights, a sign that said, this display is dedicated to Ross Township. Shame on you for destroying my display that brought so much joy and happiness to so many people.

• 33:36Josh Clark?

  There was also a warning, a sign that said, Ross Township, don't touch any of this property. If you do, there will be bloodshed.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  Is that true?

• 33:48Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 33:49Josh Clark?

  No, it totally is. And there was another one. I read an interview with 2020 with the neighbors who were like, this guy actually wrote a sign. I didn't see what he said, but he came up with the disparaging sign for the deceased wife of Tom White, one of the neighbors. The day after she died, he put up some sign disparaging her. So this guy was definitely off the chain with this thing. And I mean, like, he would stay up at night and hit metal with sledgehammers to make noise. He had floodlights pointed directly in the neighbors' houses. And I mean, living like that's bad enough, but they said something that stuck out to me that I hadn't thought of. That's like, this is a living nightmare. When you have a neighbor like that.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:32Josh Clark?

  And you sell your house, anytime you have a showing, they're going to turn around before they even get out of their car. That's like, you're trapped. They were totally trapped there. And despite the township fining him, despite court orders, like you said, he kept it up year round and he kept it up for years.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then he built a kill doser.

• 34:54Josh Clark?

  Yes. I thought that there was definitely a parallel between those guys, too.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. Be a good neighbor, everyone. Be a good neighbor to your neighbor. That's all you gotta do. You don't have to, you can go above and beyond if you want, but just be like base level good.

• 35:08Josh Clark?

  Sure. And if your neighbors, if your neighbors come to you with a complaint about some special thing that's special to you, rather than going off the handle, maybe say, well, let's figure out a compromise because this is really important to me.

• 35:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. And let's not tank everyone's property values. We're all in this together.

• 35:23Josh Clark?

  Sure. And if they're like, no, we insist you take it down, then you do something on spite. At least give them a fighting chance.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  That's right. This is, this is super spite. Spite plus.

• 35:34Josh Clark?

  We want to thank not just our friends at 2020, but our friends at Metal Floss, too, for pointing that one out to us.

• 35:40Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 35:42Josh Clark?

  So I think we got a couple more, right?

• 35:45Speaker 02

  That's right. We'll move on to Prince Rogers Nelson, AKA Prince, AKA for a little while, the artist formerly known as Prince. Because very famously Prince changed his name in 1993 when to an unrecognizable symbol. It was sort of the symbol for man and woman and it had some other flourishes and had kind of been tweaked and redesigned over the years. It was on different pieces, you know, he had a guitar shaped like that previously. I think it was on his motorcycle in Purple Rain, maybe.

• 36:20Josh Clark?

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  But it was a symbol that had been around his, his world for a while. And Prince said, yep, that's my name now. And everyone just thought he was, thought he was, we had, don't wear it out because you can't say it. Cause so that's impossible.

• 36:32Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  But I think at the time, I remember everyone just thought it was Prince being Prince and being strange and being eccentric. But it is now pretty widely accepted that he did that to spite Warner Brothers Records. Because he was in a record contract he didn't like for numerous reasons.

• 36:51Josh Clark?

  Yeah, I know. It was a very lucrative contract. A lot of people were playing like the world's smallest violin for Prince at the time.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  He had resigned it too, by the way.

• 36:59Josh Clark?

  20 years later, resigned with the same company. And I saw.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  No, no, no. He resigned before this one. This was the second version. He resigned a third time later.

• 37:07Josh Clark?

  I got you. Okay. Did not realize that, but this was like a hundred million dollar contract. It's worth $215 million today. It was a big fat contract.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:18Josh Clark?

  The thing is, is Prince, I saw like when he died, when they went into his audio archives, they're like, he could release an album like every month for the next 50 years or something. On the day he had that much stuff recorded.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:30Josh Clark?

  And he wanted to release music really quickly and with high turnover. And Warner Brothers is like, no, you're going to flood the market. You're going to shoot yourself in the foot. You can only release X number of albums every, say 12 months. So like one a year, maybe, or something like that.

• 37:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:45Josh Clark?

  He didn't like that. And then apparently Warner Brothers owned the rights to his songs too, which I'm quite sure he really, really didn't like. So to get out of his contract, he thought, well, okay, the contract is between Prince and Warner Brothers. I'm going to change my name and maybe the contract won't be valid any longer. I'm not sure how much he actually believed that because Prince wasn't a dumb person at all.

• 38:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:07Josh Clark?

  But at the very least, he was trying to humiliate Warner Brothers, make life harder for them. And he did all this, as you said, out of spite.

• 38:16Speaker 02

  That's right. He also wrote the word slave on his cheek in a lot of performances at the time. And it didn't work. He had to see the contract through, which was just another few years. I think in 2000 it expired and then he was Prince again. And like you said, you know, bygones were bygones, I guess, because he resigned yet again 20 years later with Warner Brothers.

• 38:37Josh Clark?

  Yeah. One of the things that Warner Brothers too had to do, Chuck, was they had to send out digital files to the media. And this is the 90s because there was no way to, there was no like combination of keys on the keyboard to make this symbol. So they had to send a digital image of the symbol for the like newspapers or magazines or whatever to insert into their articles about Prince. And then finally, the media was just like, we're just going to call him the artist formerly known as Prince. And Prince was like, damn it.

• 39:08Speaker 02

  Right. Work around.

• 39:09Josh Clark?

  Yeah, exactly. So RIP Prince, man. He was pretty great.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  Yes. My friend and your friend Scotty got to go to his final performance, the solo Atlanta performance at the Fox Theater. Just days before he died.

• 39:25Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 39:26Speaker 02

  And it always makes me so mad because Scotty didn't even really love Prince.

• 39:31Speaker 02

  Now, I'm glad he got to go.

• 39:32Josh Clark?

  He just showed up there like, how did I get here?

• 39:35Speaker 02

  So that's one of those, we almost went and pulled the trigger to scalp tickets. And it was just like, I don't know why we didn't because it was special enough to be a piano solo concert by Prince. I was like, man, we gotta go.

• 39:46Josh Clark?

  Yep.

• 39:46Speaker 02

  And we didn't. And then he died.

• 39:48Josh Clark?

  Yeah, we were going to do the same thing. And that's actually a, well, we weren't going to scalp. We were going to go and I don't remember why we didn't. But that's kind of par for the course for me because I did that with Prince. I did that with Pink Floyd. I did that with Stevie Ray Vaughan and I did that with The Grateful Dead. I was just like, I'll see him next time.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  I saw Prince when I lived in LA in the late 90s, or I'm sorry. Yeah, I guess it was early 2000s.

• 40:16Josh Clark?

  Mm hmm.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  And that was amazing, just being able to see him once with the full band. It was something else.

• 40:20Josh Clark?

  Yumi saw him for some tour, I think Musicology Tour, and she was like, hands down, the best show I've ever seen.

• 40:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, boy, what a loss.

• 40:29Josh Clark?

  Apparently, he was quite the dancer.

• 40:31Speaker 02

  Uh, he was. I also saw Tom Petty on that last tour. I saw him quite a few times, but I was, I was really glad to be at that last one.

• 40:37Josh Clark?

  Yeah, he was cool. He was one of those guys that you like, you appreciate the older you get. You know what I mean?

• 40:41Speaker 02

  One of the best. Well, he's one of my faves.

• 40:44Josh Clark?

  Great. Uh, let's move on to the Pink House, Chuck, the last of the last.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  You mean John Mellencamp?

• 40:50Josh Clark?

  No, that's a little Pink House. This is just the Pink House.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  That's right. Uh, this is another, uh, image search quality or, uh, image search worthy kind of thing to look up. If you're, if you're in a place where you can do that, just type in Plum Island Pink House. And you will see a, a quite large Pink House, sitting in the middle of nothing.

• 41:11Josh Clark?

  Just a desolate marshland.

• 41:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:15Josh Clark?

  And it's, it's, just looking at it, it's very eerie, especially now. It's abandoned. It's kind of ramshackle and rundown. But it was built on Plum Island, and it's considered one of the all time great examples of a spite house. And a spite house is basically any house, wall, structure, that's built to get under someone else's skin, right? So sometimes it's built to block their view. Uh, we talked about Henry Clay Frick, building a mansion that was bigger than Andrew Carnegie's, that would be considered a spite house. And in America, they go back at least until 1806. That was the earliest one I could find.

• 41:52Josh Clark?

  But this one on Plum Island, off the, the coast of Newburyport, Massachusetts, which by the way, is one of the more charming towns in the entire country.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Oh, I've never been there.

• 42:02Josh Clark?

  Oh, it's wonderful. Um, that's where this Pink House is. And there's a great backstory to it that makes it a spite house. Made out of spite.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  Uh, a lot of times these spite houses happen when a couple gets divorced. It should come as no surprise. Or I should say probably couples with a lot of money get divorced. Because what I've learned is in order to have a spite house, you have to be rich.

• 42:25Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 42:26Speaker 02

  Well, I'm just gonna build that huge house to get back at someone. It's a very privileged position to be in.

• 42:32Josh Clark?

  For sure.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  Uh, so, you know, I am judging. Uh, but in 2015, uh, there was a New York Times article that, that, that talked about this thing that was built, like you said, in the middle of nowhere. Uh, it said it was overlooking a vast landscape of pristine salt marsh. And it apparently happened in 1925 when a couple got divorced. And the wife said, "All right, uh, we can get a divorce. Um, but, um, you have to, to rebuild an exact duplicate of the house we live in if you're kicking me out of it, because I love it so much." And he went, "No problem." And so he built it and he said, "You didn't say where." And he said it just like that, I bet.

• 43:10Josh Clark?

  Yep, he did. So he built it on Plum Island. At the time, there was no one else living there. No fresh water, um, no electricity. It was just the worst place you could build a house. And he said, "There you go. There's your spite house." And, uh, he walked away rubbing the dust off of his hands or, what do you call that?

• 43:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, that.

• 43:33Josh Clark?

  Whatever.

• 43:34Speaker 02

  Clapping the dust off your hands?

• 43:35Josh Clark?

  Yeah, we need to come up with a name for that, right?

• 43:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, a sniglet.

• 43:39Josh Clark?

  Yeah, they, yeah. So, yeah, that's how it ended. And the, the story went that she lived there for a while and sold it. And it actually was inhabited, weirdly enough, um, by a succession of people up until 2011.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I guess if you're a loner and you like nature, it's not the worst place to be. I just saw a sunset picture. It looked pretty nice.

• 44:01Josh Clark?

  In that sense, yes, it did. Um, but it's just, I mean, like, the, the sea off of Massachusetts can be fairly unforgiving. So, you know, this is a, an old house from the 1920s. Like, you're, it's gonna probably be kind of drafty depending on the time of year.

• 44:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I'm sure upkeep on that thing is, uh, you're probably repainting that thing every couple of years, right?

• 44:23Josh Clark?

  Yes, but you would have to paint it pink or else everybody in Newburyport would hate you.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, you would have to. Uh, apparently that, uh, it was lived in until 2011 and then eventually was sold to the Parker River National Wildlife Refuge in 2012. And as, you can't get to it now. It's off limits to the public. Uh, but they're trying to make it an official, like, protected house. So it will stand forever.

• 44:47Josh Clark?

  And it was made out of spite or was it, Chuck?

• 44:52Speaker 02

  I don't know. Well, some people say that that was just an urban legend and it was just a family who lived out there.

• 44:57Josh Clark?

  Right. Which is a much less interesting story. So we're just gonna go-

• 45:01Speaker 02

  No spite whatsoever.

• 45:02Josh Clark?

  We're gonna go with spite house for that one.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 45:05Josh Clark?

  All right. Well, that's it for Things Done Out of Spite. We hope you enjoyed it. And since I said, we hope you enjoyed it, it's time for Listener Mail.

• 45:16Speaker 02

  So another recent one from Automat. I love this realtime stuff. This, you know, I mentioned some sort of episode on currency and how it affects things. And this is from Tree.

• 45:28Josh Clark?

  Tree? Okay, awesome.

• 45:30Speaker 02

  Not a tree, but Tree.

• 45:31Josh Clark?

  Tree.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  Hey, guys. Chuck. Specifically, you mentioned in the Automat episode, you were trying to formulate something around how change affects things, or currency, rather. Look into the situation in Zimbabwe, that might help, where it was too expensive to import metal coins. They had adopted the US dollar. It was too expensive to import the metal because of weight. So there was a huge change shortage because store owners couldn't give shoppers change. Shoppers would have to purchase additional items to try and get their total purchase as close to the whole dollar amount. And he sent a New York Times article. And that, my friend, Tree, is exactly what I was talking about, as something that could be a part of that episode. So I appreciate that direction. And that is specifically Tree Marchink.

• 46:17Josh Clark?

  Great name, Tree.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  Tree Marchink, from South Carolina.

• 46:21Josh Clark?

  Thanks a lot. That's a good one. And I remember, we talked a little bit about Zimbabwe's hyperinflation.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:28Josh Clark?

  Where people were like showing up with actual wheelbarrows of cash because it was just going nuts.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  That was crazy. I remember that.

• 46:36Josh Clark?

  Great, great example. Yeah, we've got to do that episode.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's, there's got to be more to it.

• 46:41Josh Clark?

  For sure. Well, if you want to be like Tree and fill us in on something we've said we want to know about, we'd love that kind of thing. You can send us an email to [email protected].

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