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A quinceañera is the celebration of a girl of Hispanic heritage becoming a young woman on her 15th birthday. It involves family, friends, music and a lot of great food. Join Josh and Chuck in this classic episode as they don their favorite pink dresses and go over this wonderful tradition. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  Hi folks. Happy Saturday. I hope you're enjoying your weekend. I hope you're with your friends, your family, your loved one. If you don't like anybody at all, I hope you're by yourself and you're having a good time. I just hope you're well in general. This episode is from May 15th, 2018. And it's called, What's a Quintinera Anyway? I didn't know until we did this episode, so listen and find out if you don't know.

• 1:36Speaker 00

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• 1:46Josh Clark?

  Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and there's Charles W. Cho Bryant and there's Jerry. And this is a very special day for us.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  It's a very special day for Jerry because she's celebrating her very special day because today Jerry turns sweet 15.

• 2:03Josh Clark?

  Right. Well, technically it's her triple Quintinera.

• 2:07Speaker 02

  No, Jerry started producing the show when she was five.

• 2:10Josh Clark?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:12Speaker 02

  She was the wonderkin.

• 2:13Josh Clark?

  She was a child prodigy. Threw a lot of temper tantrums.

• 2:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, but we got through that time.

• 2:19Josh Clark?

  We did, the terrible fives.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  And now she's just a pretty little lady in her pink, lacy, satiny dress.

• 2:26Josh Clark?

  Yeah, that dresses a lot even for a quinceañera dress, Jerry.

• 2:29Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 2:30Josh Clark?

  Can I go ahead and say I don't do the R roll very well, so I'm just gonna say quinceañera.

• 2:38Speaker 02

  Okay, instead of quinceañera?

• 2:41Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 2:41Speaker 02

  That wasn't very good either.

• 2:42Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  I used to do a good R roll because of German, but I feel like I've lost it a bit.

• 2:47Josh Clark?

  And I guess it's actually an N roll. Quinceañera.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Oh, that was good.

• 2:53Josh Clark?

  Right, yeah, but if I try to keep it up, it's, I think it's gonna fatigue everybody pretty quick, so quinceañera.

• 2:59Speaker 02

  Well, the last thing we want to be are two jackass white dudes.

• 3:02Josh Clark?

  Well, that's what we're doing.

• 3:03Speaker 02

  Laying it on too thick.

• 3:05Josh Clark?

  Two forty-something white dudes are about to talk about quinceañeras, like we know what we're talking about.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  Well, we did the research and I think it's, I think it's good to cover stuff like this.

• 3:15Josh Clark?

  I do too. I had very little understanding about this, just from what I've seen on like MTV or whatever, you know?

• 3:23Speaker 02

  Did they have a show?

• 3:25Josh Clark?

  They have one called like My Sweet Sixteen or whatever that I might be conflating with, but I swear I've seen quince, like I knew some of this stuff somewhere. I don't know where though. Somewhere, just in the, just being plugged into culture, I knew it, I guess.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I lived in Los Angeles, as you know, and they have obviously quite a Latin population. And I looked up Hispanic and Latino. I wanted to get it all right.

• 3:52Josh Clark?

  Good, good. Let's hear what you got.

• 3:53Speaker 02

  Well, it says that they can generally be used interchangeably these days, but I think Latino can, like, I think Hispanic refers to whether or not you actually have Spanish-speaking roots.

• 4:06Josh Clark?

  Oh, is that right?

• 4:06Speaker 02

  But Latino can be like Brazil and places in South America as well, if I'm not mistaken.

• 4:13Josh Clark?

  I heard once that Ronald Reagan was the person who coined the term Hispanic, or at least popularized it.

• 4:19Speaker 02

  Really?

• 4:20Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  Well, it was that tattoo across his upper back. Hispanic for life.

• 4:25Josh Clark?

  For life, yep, with the number four.

• 4:28Speaker 02

  But at any rate, you know, lived in LA and there's, you know, a large Mexican population, so I would see quinceañeras. Going on all the time when you're just driving around on a weekend.

• 4:40Josh Clark?

  That's awesome.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  See stuff and I was like, wait a minute, it's not prom. It's summer, like what's going on?

• 4:45Josh Clark?

  It's like prom times 10.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  And then some, somebody hit me in the head and they're like, you dummy. You dumb white guy from the south. It's a quinceañeras.

• 4:55Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 4:56Speaker 02

  And so I was like, well, you know what? One day I'm gonna do a podcast about that.

• 4:58Josh Clark?

  And they said, what is a podcast?

• 5:00Speaker 02

  To make up for all this.

• 5:01Josh Clark?

  He said, just watch.

• 5:02Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 5:03Josh Clark?

  So one thing I saw was with Latino, you know, like with Latino or Latina, there's that ingrained masculine. But something I, I saw pop up in a couple of sites was they would replace the O or the A with an X. Just to make it

• 5:21Speaker 02

  In what word?

• 5:22Josh Clark?

  Gender neutral, like Latinx.

• 5:24Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 5:25Josh Clark?

  Yeah, I don't know how you pronounce it. I didn't get that far, but I, I saw it in print in a couple of different sites. To where they were trying to remove the gender from, you know, Latino or Latina and just make it general, gender neutral. Because there's, there's a, I haven't seen it, but there's an HBO documentary about quinceañeras and one of them is for a trans girl.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  Okay, would it be pronounced Latinx?

• 5:52Josh Clark?

  Maybe.

• 5:54Josh Clark?

  I mean,

• 5:54Speaker 02

  I have to see it written down.

• 5:56Josh Clark?

  How is the X in like Oaxaca? Isn't it like Hua, Hua? So maybe Latihua?

• 6:03Speaker 02

  I have no idea.

• 6:04Josh Clark?

  That's what I'm going with.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Here we go. I didn't want to be too dumb dums and we're so far down dumb dumb lane.

• 6:10Josh Clark?

  It's not even funny.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  No.

• 6:12Josh Clark?

  So let's try to get this back on the rail, shall we? I think what we just did was great because we explored some questions we had. But now we can talk about everything we know about quinceañeras.

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Right, which is, we've been dancing around this thing. This is the, the 15th birthday celebration for young ladies, young women in Mexico, Puerto Rico, and Cuba, and the United States. Kind of all over the world. This is, this can take place.

• 6:45Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 6:47Josh Clark?

  And it seems to be so, it's a, it's actually a very traditional thing to where.

• 6:56Josh Clark?

  Catholic, like the Catholic-ness of the girl. And her even pre-Catholic origins. Bind together with what I guess you would call like is a universal coming of age celebration.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:16Josh Clark?

  That also focuses on the individuality and tastes of the girl. You put all those things together, you have a quinceañera, which is a 15th birthday party. Which is a coming out party for a girl as she transitions from girlhood into womanhood. It happens on this day and they throw a huge celebration. And there's a lot of really cool traditions that you're gonna find at like every quinceañera. That are, that have some, a neat origin story to them, or a neat symbolism to them.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  And also some great music, some delicious food. And family coming together for an important day. It's really great.

• 7:57Josh Clark?

  Not just family, the whole community is meant to, you know, like extended family, people in the community that have like had an impact on the girl's life. Like a teacher, people chip in for the expense of this. It's like a real communal thing.

• 8:10Speaker 02

  Should we go back in time?

• 8:12Josh Clark?

  Okay, let's.

• 8:14Speaker 02

  Or did you want to go to the future?

• 8:16Josh Clark?

  No, no, we'll go back in time.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  All right. So the origins of this, they date back all the way to the Aztec Indians. Obviously in the 1400s and 1500s, they were performing these festivals. Because girls back then were marriage-ready at the age of 15. That's kind of what it symbolized.

• 8:36Josh Clark?

  Right. And like it wasn't just the Aztecs, like around the world and cultures around the world. Like you, you would find some sort of coming of age or rites of passage into womanhood. And yeah, when you came out the other end, it was like you were on the market then, from that point on.

• 8:54Speaker 02

  That's right. And they had ceremonies, they had speeches, talking about how important it is to become a wise, upstanding member of society as a young woman. Then the Spanish come along, of course. They invade what we now call Mexico over through the Aztecs. And that brought in a European influence to this whole experience. And this is where things got a little more.

• 9:19Speaker 02

  A little more like debutante.

• 9:22Josh Clark?

  Yeah, it's actually, I looked into this a little further Chuck, and they, they are, they can't say for certain where quinceañeras came from. But they think the Aztecs, but their source comes from a single nun working in Mexico, who wrote an account that had been given to a priest 40 years earlier.

• 9:43Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 9:43Josh Clark?

  From another priest who had supposedly in the 1520s, interviewed some Aztec high priests about their culture. So that's where the whole idea that there was a rite of passage at age 15 comes from, kind of shaky. And then other people say, well, no, this is obviously a Spanish colonial influence, like being presented at court. But the, the idea that it's a rite of passage into womanhood is so universal that it probably is a combination of the two of them. No one can just say for certain, though, what the origin is specifically.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, and apparently until the 1960s, it was really kind of an upper class thing. But then in the 1960s, as Latinos immigrated to the United States, and they became more part of American fabric, they really kind of, really kind of spread throughout the US and Latin America, as becoming across all socioeconomic classes. And we'll get to this a little more later, but wonderfully, like you said, in poorer communities, you see entire communities chipping in some money many times. Or the, the godmothers and godfathers, the padrinos and madrinas. You like that?

• 10:57Josh Clark?

  Yeah, that's good.

• 10:58Speaker 02

  To help pay for this stuff. I saw this photographer did a really great photo series of quinceañera celebrations in poorer neighborhoods in Mexico, and photographed these really beautiful photographs of these, of these young women in their dresses, sort of in the middle of a very depressed neighborhood.

• 11:19Speaker 02

  And just showing how important it was that they still had this celebration, even though they, it was, it was a burden financially on their families.

• 11:30Josh Clark?

  Right. Yeah, I think Mexico City got together in 2007 and some of the businesses, some of the, some nonprofit groups held like a, a big mass quinceañera. And now they do it every year for girls who, who wouldn't otherwise be able to have one.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, I also read a New York Times article where there's a lot of bias like when it comes to things like this and bar and bat mitzvahs and debutante balls where it's very easy for someone to say, like, you know, if, if you're poor living in Mexico City, why are you wasting, and that's in air quotes, your money on this celebration when your family doesn't have much money? And they say, you know, you never hear this kind of criticism for bar mitzvahs and bat mitzvahs or debutantes, regardless of socioeconomic status. So it's just a very important, important part of their culture that should be, shouldn't be looked down upon just because they may not have the kind of money to throw a big

• 12:31Speaker 02

  one. You know what I'm saying?

• 12:35Josh Clark?

  Yeah, yeah. And I'm, yeah, I'm sure. One of the things though, you just kind of hit on the head is that it's a, it's a, it's a part of Latinx culture, which is one reason why it's become so big in America. It's a way of people of Latino heritage to say, you know, this is my heritage too. And this is how I'm going to come of age in America. But because it's also in America, and these are American born girls of Latina heritage, they, they have come over time to kind of meld together with what Americans look at and say, that's just one enormous sweet 16 party.

• 13:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:16Josh Clark?

  But there's, there's some details in there that you'll find at a quinceañera that you won't at a sweet 16 party. And we'll talk about those right after this.

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• 17:10Josh Clark?

  All right, Charles. So we are going to start the day. It's a frantic day. It's a hectic day. From everything I understand, from what I've read, this is a, and actually, like, a cool day for a girl, but also very stressful, right?

• 17:27Speaker 02

  It's like a wedding or a prom or anything where there's a lot of pressure on this one, you know, six hour experience.

• 17:35Josh Clark?

  But think about this, with a wedding, you've got your SO to plan the wedding with. With prom, you've got a handful of other girls to plan, you know, what you're doing with prom. And plus prom's already being planned for you by your school or whatever.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 17:50Josh Clark?

  This is like your day and part of your responsibility is the quinceañera, which by the way, quinceañera literally translates to the girl who is 15.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:02Josh Clark?

  So this is technically your fiesta de quinceañera or something like that.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 18:07Josh Clark?

  Part of your responsibility as quinceañera is to show that you can take part in this planning. On the one hand, it's to allow it to reflect your personality and your taste. So you're the one who needs to choose all this stuff. But it also shows that you can be a grown up too and undertake months of planning leading up to this thing and basically pull it off.

• 18:27Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 18:28Josh Clark?

  All right, okay, so the whole thing starts with a trip to church, which is not what you're gonna find. Right, which is not what you're gonna find at a normal American, like say, sweet 16 party.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  No, and it depends on the church where you're gonna have. And you know, sometimes the celebration also occurs at the church. Sometimes that occurs at a different spot, kind of like a wedding. You know, sometimes you'll have the reception somewhere else.

• 18:54Josh Clark?

  Right, that's not how it started, which we'll, we'll talk about that in a minute, but go ahead.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  But it depends on the church where you're a member or where you're having this initial ceremony. But the girl before this all happens for weeks ahead of time may actually be required to attend classes in advance of this, so they're prepared and they know to what to expect.

• 19:15Josh Clark?

  Right, they, well, yeah, that's about it as far as the weeks ahead part. As far as the church.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  And all the planning, yeah, of course.

• 19:23Josh Clark?

  Right, so on the day they arrive at the church and you were saying like, you know, now it's kind of evolved to where you have like, like, like a wedding. You have the ceremony of the church and then the event elsewhere.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  Well, you can.

• 19:35Josh Clark?

  Right, and that's becoming more and more the way. But one of the reasons that is becoming the way is because in 1990 in Los Angeles, the Los Angeles Archdiocese issued like a set of guidelines that basically put the kibosh on this idea of the quinceañera as a big lavish affair. And it really dampened this burgeoning, I guess, industry or tradition or whatever. It put a damper on it for a little while because families didn't want to go against the church, so they kind of toned down the quinceañeras. But the reason the church is doing this is because there were too many quinceañeras, not enough Spanish-speaking priests.

• 20:17Josh Clark?

  And then also, the Catholic Church has always had an awkward position in this, in this tradition. It's not a Catholic tradition. It's a cultural tradition by a group of people who are predominantly Catholic and involve the church as part of this tradition. But this, this tradition, if anything, is a syncretized tradition. Remember when we were in Guatemala? The, the melding of Catholic beliefs and like pagan, pre-colonial beliefs, indigenous beliefs is syncretism. This is an example of that. There's like Aztec rituals supposedly mixed with this. The whole thing starts at a Catholic church with a mass.

• 21:00Josh Clark?

  So the church has kind of had a alternately hands-on and hands-off view of this whole thing. And in 1990, they almost put a, a, a complete damper on it. But since then, it's just kind of said, okay, we'll just start off at the church and we'll have the, the party afterward elsewhere.

• 21:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I've also seen that a lot of churches now are straying away from these because they feel like there's just a lot of disrespectful behavior. Like, you know, people partying on the pews and taking pictures with their phone and texting and like, they kind of forget that they're in a church.

• 21:37Josh Clark?

  Right, which, I mean, if you step back and think about it, having a girl's 15-year birthday party in an actual church?

• 21:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:45Josh Clark?

  That's a terrible idea to begin with.

• 21:47Speaker 02

  It's probably a bad idea.

• 21:48Josh Clark?

  So it makes sense to, to do this kind of solemn ceremony at the church and then party elsewhere, which I think is pretty much par for the course these days.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  All right, so before the mass takes place, This young woman has, and Kristen Conger, remember Kristen?

• 22:07Josh Clark?

  Of course. What's the name of their podcast?

• 22:09Speaker 02

  Unladylike.

• 22:10Josh Clark?

  Unladylike, that's right.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, Kristen Caroline, formerly of Stuff Mom Never Told You, now with Unladylike. She wrote this article and she said that custom calls for 14 damas, or maiden attendants, to represent the 14 years of her life up until that point. I saw elsewhere, seven-

• 22:29Josh Clark?

  That's what I saw too.

• 22:30Speaker 02

  -to be paired with seven young men. You want to pronounce that? Chambelons?

• 22:36Josh Clark?

  Yeah, that's, that's how I took it. Chambelons?

• 22:39Speaker 02

  But-

• 22:39Josh Clark?

  Chambelons.

• 22:40Speaker 02

  I read in another place, I was like, oh, wait a minute, which is it? And apparently it can be seven to 15. So-

• 22:47Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 22:47Speaker 02

  Depending on, I guess, how many really close friends you have, kind of like picking out your, your bridesmaids and groomsmen.

• 22:54Josh Clark?

  Yeah, and I saw plenty of videos of quinceañeras where like there were three girls-

• 23:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's some leeway.

• 23:02Josh Clark?

  Yeah, but I think under strict tradition of the quinceañera, you would have 14 girls and 15 dudes. You got 14 damas, 15 chambelanes, and then one- I got it. And then one chambelane day on air, which I totally messed up, but it's, it's basically the, the escort of honor, who is the, the quinceañera's date.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  That's right. And again, I'm sure that there's some leeway. The quinceañera cops aren't going to come by because you don't have enough friends helping you. They have larger fish to fry on quinceañera day.

• 23:43Josh Clark?

  Right. Although the, whoever's helping you plan this, it would probably love it if you had 14 guys and 14 girls, because they all have to be outfitted.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:53Josh Clark?

  In exactly what you want them to wear, because it's your party.

• 23:57Speaker 02

  That's right. And I don't think we mentioned, but the dress is a very big part of the celebration. Traditionally, it's either pink or white, very satiny. I mean, it looks kind of like a prom dress, a big frilly

• 24:10Speaker 02

  floor-length gown.

• 24:11Josh Clark?

  But then it also is eight feet wide.

• 24:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 24:15Josh Clark?

  At the waist, like out. It's extraordinary. It's like a princess dress.

• 24:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:20Josh Clark?

  Like, I want a quinceañera.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  Oh, we can throw you one, buddy.

• 24:24Josh Clark?

  Okay.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  You want to do that?

• 24:26Josh Clark?

  Sure.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  You want to get all pretty for the camera?

• 24:27Josh Clark?

  I definitely would. To find a nice dress.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  All right. So the first stop, though, like you said, is the church. And this is where a lot of the ceremony takes place. They receive a blessing from a priest. The young woman commits herself to her protecting her virginity and her spiritual devotion. And then they leave a bouquet of flowers near the Virgin Mary statue. And then traditionally, they would give away a porcelain doll, one of their childhood dolls. Or, again, tradition varies these days. It might be a teddy bear or something else that just meant something to the girl.

• 25:08Josh Clark?

  One thing I saw was a quinceanera Barbie.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah?

• 25:11Josh Clark?

  Mm hmm.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  All right. Well, they'll pass that along to a younger sister or another relative, another female relative to basically say like, again, symbolic of I'm entering young adulthood and I'm passing on this silly Barbie to you.

• 25:25Josh Clark?

  What's the name of that, the Ultima Moneca?

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't know. I didn't see that.

• 25:30Josh Clark?

  Ultima Moneca means the last doll.

• 25:33Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 25:33Josh Clark?

  And it shows that she's leaving girlhood behind.

• 25:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 25:38Josh Clark?

  And you can guess which one of those, the ceramic doll or the old toy or the brand new Barbie the younger female relative wants.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  These days? Sure.

• 25:48Josh Clark?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:49Josh Clark?

  So, um, so that may or may not happen at the church. The thing that seems to be what definitely happens at the church is the girl is presented with a rosary, a prayer book or a Bible, and leaves flowers at the altar and/or the statue of the Virgin Mary and then receives a blessing, right?

• 26:08Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 26:09Josh Clark?

  So let's say that all that happened at the church and the girl has been blessed. Sometimes it's part of a regular mass, like she may stand up and come up to the altar and get a special blessing. If, if, if her parents are pulling all the right strings, maybe she can get her own mass for it. But she may also be sharing that mass with other quinceañeras. There's a bunch of different ways to do it. But once the mass is done, once she's said like, I am committing myself to the Catholic Church and I'm a very spiritual girl and, and thanks for the blessing, I'm out E5,000. She's heading off to the party.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  That's right. Get that, just like a good wedding, get that part over with quickly so you can get your party on.

• 26:52Josh Clark?

  Right. So while she's getting into the limo, we'll take another break, okay?

• 26:56Speaker 02

  All right, look at her trying to stuff that dress in that.

• 27:15Josh Clark?

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• 27:38Josh Clark?

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• 28:16Speaker 02

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• 29:06Josh Clark?

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• 29:34Josh Clark?

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• 30:07Josh Clark?

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• 30:52Josh Clark?

  Okay Chuck, so she has gotten in the limo, she's driven off, and now they're going to the venue, which is basically anywhere that you would also hold like a wedding reception. You could hold a quinceañera party.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it could be, it really depends on the budget of the family involved. They could rent out a, a large hall, or they could, it could be in the backyard of their own home, or at a friend's house.

• 31:16Josh Clark?

  Yeah, and again, this is not just on the parents' shoulders. It's very customary and very traditional for the girl to approach family members,

• 31:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:26Josh Clark?

  Members of the business community, just anybody she can think of to say, hey, costs are really adding up, and can you, you know, chip in a little bit? And like, the, the quinceañera will be sponsored by multiple people besides just her parents.

• 31:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I did, I also read in that article on that really great photo spread the guy did, he interviewed the family members, and one of the families, he said, how long have you, you know, they didn't have much money, and he said, how long have you been saving for this? And they said, for 15 years.

• 31:57Josh Clark?

  Oh, man.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  Like, they, they started socking away money every year because they knew this was coming.

• 32:02Josh Clark?

  That is so great.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  And it was important. It was a very sweet story.

• 32:04Josh Clark?

  Yeah, I think the aspect that, you know, the, the community chips in, and, and also comes to like witness this girl's transition to adulthood. I just really appreciate that. I think it's really cool that that's part of it, you know?

• 32:19Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 32:20Josh Clark?

  Rather than it's just, the parents are footing the bill for everything. I just think that's cool.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, and it's a culture where family and community is such a important revered thing. And it's something I, that I'm envious of, you know?

• 32:34Josh Clark?

  Yeah, for sure. So, when the, when the girl gets there, the first thing that's gonna happen is, the music's gonna be starting, and her court's going to come in and get introduced. Those are the damas and the chambalanes. Why is that not sounding right?

• 32:52Speaker 02

  Cause it sounds French.

• 32:55Josh Clark?

  Right, okay, so that's, but am I, am I pronouncing it French?

• 32:58Speaker 02

  I don't know. That's what I'm saying. It, uh, I'm not sure. I don't know the origins of that word.

• 33:03Josh Clark?

  Okay, so, um, those two, her court, they're gonna come in one by one and get announced, virtually just like a wedding, when the bride and groom show up. The, the groomsmades, no, the bride-

• 33:16Speaker 02

  Groomsmaids?

• 33:17Josh Clark?

  The groomsmen and then the bridesmaids.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 33:22Josh Clark?

  Come on, man.

• 33:24Speaker 02

  Hang it in there.

• 33:25Josh Clark?

  They're, they get introduced, you know, one by one as they're coming in. And then finally, the, um, the chambelan, the honorary escort is introduced. And then you finally have the quinteira come in and the music changes and she's like, you're like raising the roof, you know, and the, the party's just, everyone erupts into just craziness from that moment on.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, and again, it could be a DJ, it could be a mariachi band, it could be a rock band.

• 33:53Josh Clark?

  It could be a DJ playing mariachi music.

• 33:56Speaker 02

  It could be, it could be, uh, like with my wedding, I had a, an iPod loaded up with my mix and just hit play.

• 34:04Josh Clark?

  Nice. So, this is probably a DJ with a light system and a dance floor. Every, all the videos I saw are very much like that.

• 34:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:15Josh Clark?

  So the, the court's been introduced. And then, one of the first things that happens is the girl is presented with a crown.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm, tiara.

• 34:25Josh Clark?

  She's presented with a scepter.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  So, for the killing?

• 34:30Josh Clark?

  Right, for the bashing.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, that comes later.

• 34:32Josh Clark?

  And then, right, the ritual, the ritual killing of the chipmunk. Um, and she's seated probably on a throne of some sort, or a central chair, maybe one of those like wicker, remember the wicker like seventies chair?

• 34:46Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:46Josh Clark?

  That like flared out and up?

• 34:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:48Josh Clark?

  That looked kinda like a-

• 34:49Speaker 02

  Eyes of a case.

• 34:50Josh Clark?

  Yeah, maybe she's sitting on one of those. But she's, she's basically the center of attention right then. And something kinda cool happens. The shoe she was wearing, that she came in with, flat-soled sandals, or, um, slippers, or something like that. Her dad comes over and takes those off. And then he puts on high heels.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:10Josh Clark?

  Snaps his fingers, twirls and goes, "She's a woman."

• 35:15Speaker 02

  Yes, and I bet you anything this, uh, this young lady has practiced walking in those before.

• 35:21Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  I don't think she would want her first experience in high heels to be in that dress on the big day.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  This is just logical Chuck talking.

• 35:29Josh Clark?

  Although it would be fun to watch.

• 35:32Speaker 02

  Oh, no, come on.

• 35:33Josh Clark?

  You don't think it would be?

• 35:35Speaker 02

  No one wants to see a, what do they, Kristen said they call her, uh, Keens girls sometimes?

• 35:40Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 35:40Speaker 02

  No one wants to see a Keens girl fall over.

• 35:43Josh Clark?

  That, that's true.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  Except you.

• 35:46Speaker 02

  But you got laughed at while you did the backstroke, so I get it.

• 35:49Josh Clark?

  Yeah, mocked.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  Uh, they may also get gifts, but not always. A lot of times they're symbolic gifts. A lot of times other people will bring gifts, but from the parents. The, uh, the festival and ceremony itself is the gift. But sometimes if the parents have some dough and a big budget, they may get what's called, uh, regalo sorpresa, which is a surprise gift. Um, on top of everything else. And this of course is including, um, like you mentioned, the prayer book and the rosary and the Bible and stuff like that.

• 36:24Josh Clark?

  Right. And then those are probably given to her at the church before. I'm thinking that, uh, depending on the position of her parents socioeconomically, the girl's probably getting other, other presents too.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:40Josh Clark?

  But yes, supposedly just the quinceañera party is like, this is plenty, don't you think?

• 36:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I think the gifts too also are, always represent that, uh, transition into adulthood. So she's not getting the dolls anymore. She gets maybe some jewelry or earrings and stuff like that.

• 36:59Josh Clark?

  Right.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  Stuff to deliver her into womanhood.

• 37:01Josh Clark?

  And then guests are also given gifts as well.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  Sure, party favors.

• 37:06Josh Clark?

  The way that the whole thing's set up, even though the community like, um, might have people that chip in or family members or whatever, the, the parents are saying like, come, help celebrate our, our daughter's transition into womanhood, right? So the, the party is meant as like a gift for the guests.

• 37:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 37:23Josh Clark?

  And, and so the, the thing is kind of meant to be like, come and get your eat on and your drink on and just have a lot of fun. The, the thing is, is Part of that welcomeness and that inclusiveness and that, you know, please come and be a part of this, that backfired really hard for this one couple. Have you heard about Ruby Abara Garcia?

• 37:47Speaker 02

  No.

• 37:48Josh Clark?

  Oh, my. So Ruby Abara Garcia turned 15 on December 26th, 2016.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 37:56Josh Clark?

  Okay, just like a year or so ago. And she is from La Jolla, which is in San Luis Potosi, Mexico. And it's a little tiny town, 200. And her parents decided to get with the times and make like a YouTube invitation, a video invitation, to come to Ruby's quinceañera. But they posted it on YouTube and they didn't put any privacy settings on. And it went viral. And 20,000 people from around the world showed up to Ruby's quinceañera party in this little town of 200.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  That's kind of great, though, right?

• 38:34Josh Clark?

  It was great on the one hand, but if you look at the photos from it, she was very much overwhelmed the entire time.

• 38:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true.

• 38:41Josh Clark?

  Was not expecting, apparently, like, on Facebook, like, over a million people said they were coming, but even still, 20,000. And if you look, there's like all these stands set up and like, people from all over the country in the world chipped in to like, feed everybody and make sure everybody had drinks or whatever. So the parents said, okay, we're doing this. And they did it. They stepped up and met their, they kept their welcome to everybody, I guess, is a way to put it.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  That's kind of great, but I can definitely see on the day that the girl might have been overwhelmed. But I bet she also, in retrospect, is like, hey, I've got one cool story for my life now.

• 39:20Josh Clark?

  Oh, yeah, she's got a big old story. And she got a Chevy Volt.

• 39:24Speaker 02

  Are you serious?

• 39:25Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 39:26Speaker 02

  I couldn't tell, I literally couldn't tell if you were just being jokey Josh there.

• 39:30Josh Clark?

  No, that was, I didn't even need to be that time.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  So Chevy got involved, of course.

• 39:35Josh Clark?

  I think her parents gave her that.

• 39:37Speaker 02

  Oh, I figured Chevy was like, hey.

• 39:39Josh Clark?

  No, I think that was.

• 39:40Speaker 02

  Get some good press out of this.

• 39:40Josh Clark?

  I think that was her regalo sorpresa.

• 39:43Speaker 02

  Her surprise gift?

• 39:44Josh Clark?

  Yes.

• 39:45Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 39:46Josh Clark?

  And speaking of sorpresas, the, that was Yumi's Spanish name, by the way. But speaking of sorpresas, there's also Chuck. Go on to YouTube.

• 39:57Josh Clark?

  And type in baile sorpresa, B A I L E. Sorpresa. And just start watching these videos because the baile sorpresa is one of the hallmarks of the quinceanera party. And they are about as adorable and embarrassing as you can imagine.

• 40:16Speaker 02

  What does that mean, though? What is it?

• 40:18Josh Clark?

  Oh, it's a surprise dance. So it's like for months ahead of time, the quinceanera and her court will practice a dance.

• 40:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 40:27Josh Clark?

  That they make up or that they hire like a choreographer and they will like perform this dance for the guests. It's a surprise dance. It's like part of the quinceanera. And they're, they're very cute to watch.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  And so they try to have fun with it, I guess?

• 40:44Josh Clark?

  They do, but they also are really, they're very earnest about it, too. Like they, like they practice this dance and they, they're doing it and it's, it's very cute.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  That's wonderful.

• 40:53Josh Clark?

  You can also hire chambalanes, professional ones.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 40:58Josh Clark?

  They're all like dancers by trade, so they'll, they'll like really knock your socks off of your guests, but it's, you know, it's lacking that heart of something you and your friends came up with yourself.

• 41:08Speaker 02

  Or you could, if you had a lot of dough, you could hire a choreographer like Paula Abdul or something.

• 41:12Josh Clark?

  Yeah, yeah, like her.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  She's still choreographing, right?

• 41:17Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  Choreographing? Choreographing.

• 41:20Josh Clark?

  Something bad wrong with us today.

• 41:22Speaker 02

  I know, man.

• 41:24Josh Clark?

  You got anything else?

• 41:25Speaker 02

  I do. This is a little sorpresa for you, my friend.

• 41:30Speaker 02

  There was a father in Texas, a couple of years ago, that spent $6 million.

• 41:36Josh Clark?

  Oh, my.

• 41:36Speaker 02

  On his 15 year old daughter.

• 41:38Josh Clark?

  Oh, my.

• 41:39Speaker 02

  He, uh, what's his name here? He's an attorney named Thomas J. Henry of San Antonio. They're a very kind of well-known family. His daughter Maya is, uh, big on Instagram and social media and she's big into activism. So she's like, you know, uh, she's not just your ordinary teen.

• 41:58Josh Clark?

  Good for her. Although that is kind of ordinary these days, thankfully.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  To be a well-known teen activist?

• 42:04Josh Clark?

  Well, to be active.

• 42:05Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 42:06Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  But at her quinceañera, she had Nick Jonas perform, uh, Pitbull performed.

• 42:12Josh Clark?

  Sure.

• 42:14Speaker 02

  Let me see what else here. A 55,000 square foot.

• 42:18Speaker 02

  Space that they built, I don't think they built it from scratch. But it does say that it was built.

• 42:27Speaker 02

  Purpose built venue.

• 42:28Josh Clark?

  How many guests?

• 42:29Speaker 02

  600 guests.

• 42:31Josh Clark?

  Man.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  A 30 foot tall cherry trees, a 30 foot tall cherry cheese and full blossom.

• 42:38Josh Clark?

  Wow.

• 42:39Speaker 02

  Walls of roses, a garden room, the ballroom with butterflies suspended from the ceiling. She wore a Rolando Santana dress, which means nothing to me.

• 42:48Josh Clark?

  Yeah, me either.

• 42:49Speaker 02

  But I assume that means it's something. She had her makeup done by Patrick Ta, who does the Kardashians. Her photographer was Michelle Obama's photographer. And Thomas Henry and his wife, whose name is Azteca, beautiful name. They hired a New York social event planner named David Mon. He had 150 person team to to plan out this party. And finally, they arrived by police escort in nine Rolls Royces.

• 43:19Josh Clark?

  Well, cause why not? Why not get the police involved?

• 43:22Speaker 02

  And not to feel too bad for her little brother, or I guess maybe it was a big brother. He spent $4 million on that kid's 18th birthday, I believe.

• 43:34Josh Clark?

  Queso preza.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  So they have, they dropped 10 million bucks on a couple of parties for their kids.

• 43:41Josh Clark?

  Man, and those, the girls in Mexico City are happy to, to be part of the citywide annual one.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I wonder what Pitbull got paid for that, a mill?

• 43:53Josh Clark?

  Uh, maybe. I bet Nick Jonas got more than Pitbull did.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  You think?

• 43:58Josh Clark?

  Yeah.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  And of course she had her, her pictures with both of them and.

• 44:03Josh Clark?

  Well, sure.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  I'm sure that was part of it. It's like.

• 44:05Josh Clark?

  Uh, yeah. Man. All right. Well, that is something. What's her name? Maya?

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:10Josh Clark?

  Maya Henry? Oh, I gotta look that up.

• 44:15Josh Clark?

  If you want to know more about quinceañera as well, just show up to one uninvited.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:22Josh Clark?

  See, see how that goes.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  You know what? You'd probably be welcomed.

• 44:25Josh Clark?

  Probably Chuck, probably. And since I said probably a couple of times, it's time for listener mail.

• 44:33Speaker 02

  Hey guys, long time listener, card carrying member of the Stuff You Should Know Army. Always wanted to write in, but just hadn't found the right topic until the It Stranger Things script retooling debate. Those during emojis. Stephen King is by far my favorite author and it is my absolute favorite of his novels. Highly recommend. Also a huge Stranger Things fan. Though I have no media experience, I do have an MBA and know a thing or two about marketing. For what it's worth, I side with Josh. With the studio definitely retooling the script to create synergies between It and Stranger Things. Aside from casting the Stranger Things kid, which to me is a smoking gun. They changed the setting in the film to take place in the 80s, like Stranger Things. In the novel, the story follows the main characters is in the 50s and then again as adults in the 80s.

• 45:18Speaker 02

  There are elements of the story that didn't translate as well into the 80s, in my opinion. But it was a small price to pay in order to captivate that Stranger Things audience. Just one guy's opinion, but I'd like to say one guy's informed opinion. Sorry Chuck, for what it's worth, as a movie crush, or as a movie buff, I always catch movie crush. Keep it up. Mike Sanders. And Mike.

• 45:42Speaker 02

  I, I did a very simple Google search. It found that Stranger Things was released in July 2016 and principal photography of It began about a week before that.

• 45:54Josh Clark?

  Okay.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  So that's therefore rendering that impossible.

• 45:57Josh Clark?

  Here's the thing. Movies have been known to change horses midstream, right? I don't think that that settles it, if you ask me.

• 46:08Speaker 02

  So you think they shot a bunch of the movie in the 1950s and said, wait a minute, this TV show over here is doing great.

• 46:13Josh Clark?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  Let's go make it the 80s.

• 46:16Josh Clark?

  No, I don't think that.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  And let's recast this kid that we've already cast.

• 46:19Josh Clark?

  I think, I, I think that they're, I think that they did retool. I do.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  After they started shooting.

• 46:27Josh Clark?

  Yeah, I don't think they did. I don't think they were shooting in the 50s. I think they were probably shooting in the 80s. I think they really, my whole point has been that they played up the same things that Stranger Things was known for and that you wouldn't find in the book It, and that they plumped up that stuff because of Stranger Things. That's my assertion.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  So as they're shooting the film It.

• 46:53Josh Clark?

  They're doing rewrites.

• 46:55Speaker 02

  They're doing rewrites because they're like, man, we gotta walk into this TV show.

• 46:59Josh Clark?

  Yes, and you can also do that in the editing booth, as you know as well, which would have happened long after Stranger Things was already a smash cultural phenomenon.

• 47:10Josh Clark?

  That's, I don't think it's settled, man.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 47:12Josh Clark?

  And it never will be.

• 47:13Speaker 02

  All right.

• 47:14Josh Clark?

  Until the editor tells me himself or herself that I'm just dead wrong.

• 47:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 47:20Josh Clark?

  If you want to settle a bet, you can send us an email to [email protected]. And as always, join us at our home on the web, stuffyoushouldknow.com.

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