Pod Insights Stuff You Missed in History Class Behind the Scenes Minis: Shots and Sidi About this episode Tracy and Holly share tetanus shot stories and discuss getting boosters. They then discuss the egos of European explorers in Africa.
See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Transcript 5,835 words · 12 speakers
Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.
0:00 Holly Frey? This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. A rare disease diagnosis can change your life, but it doesn't have to define your future. In season seven of Untold Stories: Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition, host Martine Hackett continues the conversation with people living with MG, CIDP, and the broader rare disease community, exploring what comes after diagnosis through stories of hope, progress, and connection. Produced by Ruby Studio in partnership with Argentix. Listen on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
0:38 Speaker 01 That sound? That's pro squash. Some of the fastest rallies in sport played inches from the crowd. The National Squash League is back in full swing for season four. The sport is heading to the 2028 Olympics for the first time, and you can see it up close right now in a city near you. Watch every match for free on YouTube. Search National Squash League and hit subscribe, or follow live updates on Instagram at NSL.Sport.
1:07 Speaker 02 Wait, I came in for two things. How is this $47? All right, we're gonna need a plan here.
1:14 Speaker 03 Just start simple with Bank of America Advantage Safe Balance Banking. No overdraft item fees, no monthly maintenance fee if you're under 25.
1:23 Speaker 02 Oh, that's actually really simple.
1:26 Speaker 03 Safe Balance Banking, one less thing to figure out. Learn more at BofA.com/simplebanking. Terms and conditions apply. Bank of America and a member FDIC.
1:35 Speaker 04 Cash flow crunch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.
2:07 Holly Frey? Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeart Radio.
2:18 Tracy V. Wilson? Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson. And I'm Holly Frey. We talked about tetanus this week. Yeah, we did. You know, very often when we have had anything that's related to science or medicine, anything in that field, when I have been writing the episode, I have started out with an explainer on the illness or the scientific discovery and the sort of what's going on with that and how it works. And this time I said to myself, what if I did something a little different?
3:00 Tracy V. Wilson? And what if I tried to incorporate the understanding of how tetanus works as an illness, like with the historical timeline of its discoveries about it? And boy, was that harder, so much harder. I contemplated just scrapping the entire outline and starting completely over. But I didn't. I stuck with it, even though it was somehow way, way harder to write it that way. Something we didn't mention is a piece of artwork. I don't know what image will wind up being used on our social media to go along with this episode.
3:43 Tracy V. Wilson? But there is a painting by surgeon and artist Dr. Charles Bell, which was created in 1809, and it's called Tetanus Following Gunshot Wounds. And it's a pretty visceral image showing that this person who has tetanus in like a whole body spasm with their whole body sort of arced like a bow, which is one of the ways that the spasms of tetanus have been described historically. I didn't really have a great place to mention that in the body of the episode itself.
4:22 Tracy V. Wilson? Holly, you look like you're looking up what it looks like.
4:25 Holly Frey? Oh, I was trying to check and see if it's the painting I thought it was, and it was.
4:29 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
4:30 Holly Frey? There was just part of my brain that was like, are you sure that's the same painting and not?
4:34 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
4:34 Holly Frey? Some other weird thing. And then while I was looking for it, there's another painting that
4:40 Holly Frey? looks like a portrait of Count Orlok from the recent Nosferatu, and I got a little sidetracked.
4:48 Tracy V. Wilson? He did other artwork, other portrayals, portrayals of other diseases and conditions. And I got a little bit sidetracked thinking about that and then said, okay, you gotta, you gotta focus on this episode that is more difficult than expected, based on your own decisions, to write it differently from usual. I also thought I might tell the story of the time I had to get a tetanus shot, not as a routine immunization.
5:18 Holly Frey? I have a similar story, but it wasn't me, but a sibling.
5:22 Tracy V. Wilson? So my story is, I was living in Asheville, North Carolina, on a ground floor apartment with no air conditioning. And so I was sleeping with the windows open, and this had worked fine until it didn't. And the way that it didn't is that a strange stray or someone's pet, I don't know, cat,
5:46 Tracy V. Wilson? jumped onto the outside ledge of the window while my cat, Villanelle, was sitting on the inside sill of the window. And Villanelle immediately started freaking out. And so my immediate urgency was to like, separate my cat from the window and close the window so that she would not be, like, get into a fight with this other cat that I know nothing about.
6:13 Holly Frey? Right.
6:14 Tracy V. Wilson? And when I grabbed her, she just reflexively bit me in the web between my finger and my thumb.
6:24 Holly Frey? Oh.
6:26 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. This, you know, has been, this is the only time she ever bit anyone.
6:32 Holly Frey? Yeah, displaced aggression is not uncommon in cats that are freaked out about an outside cat.
6:37 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, yeah. She had never been in any way aggressive in any way. And I think that that was just like, I surprised her by grabbing her while she was actively having a confrontation with this strange cat.
6:49 Holly Frey? Yeah.
6:50 Tracy V. Wilson? So, uh, this is, you know, in the middle of the night. And so I go, uh, you know, I wash my hand and, uh, dress my hand as best I can. I go back to bed and I wake up and it's already swollen and, uh, I can see the beginning of like lines leading out of the wound. Um, so I called in sick to work and I went to urgent care. Uh, and they said, when was your last tetanus shot? And I said, I don't know.
7:20 Holly Frey? I think that's a common answer.
7:22 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, I do know now because I start the clock from the time I got bitten by a cat. Um, so, uh, they gave me a tetanus shot. I also got a big old shot of antibiotics in my buttock. Uh, and then I also had to be on oral antibiotics and I was fine. Um, but that was the time that I had to get the tetanus shot because of my, uh, like I had gotten all of the recommended, um, vaccines from my childhood and I know I had gotten, like, I remember being of an age to have gotten a booster, but I was like, I don't
8:00 Tracy V. Wilson? know when that was exactly. Um, and I did not have vaccine records with me, uh, in that moment. We were not to the age of having the kind of electronic medical records that exist for a lot of this stuff now.
8:16 Holly Frey? Yeah. Here's how I learned what tetanus was.
8:19 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay.
8:20 Holly Frey? I think I've told you before that when I was young, we had a farm in the Pacific Northwest. Because my parents thought farms were idyllic and they grew up on farms and we should somehow have a farm?
8:33 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
8:33 Holly Frey? I don't know. Um, it was weird. Uh, upon that farm, in the kind of wooded area of it, there was a giant tree that we used for various playtime activities.
8:51 Holly Frey? My siblings are all a good bit older than me and they not wanting to do kid things like climb trees, et cetera, devised this thing where they basically like tied a rope to one of the higher branches and then they would tie at the end of that rope that dangled like a piece of wood to make a handle and they would basically like grip the piece of wood and then they would push each other and swing. Hmm. Big time fun, except you know, sometimes teenagers aren't really thoughtful about what piece of wood they tie to the end of the rope for their little swing adventure. Sure.
9:34 Holly Frey? One of my siblings, I don't know who, but I have suspicions, picked up a random piece of wood from our wood pile and tied it on there and my middle sister grabbed it and got a rusty nail right through her hand. Oh no. And that's how I learned about tennis. Yeah. Because she went into the house, I think I was inside playing because I was not cool enough to hang with them. I was their little jerky sister.
10:05 Holly Frey? But I remember her coming into the house and like the sort of ripple of panic from my kooky and anxiety prone mother, because my sister just thought like, oh, I have a cut in my hand. I need to have this dressed. Right. And my mom went from that to, I think my dad said, hey, do we have her up to date on tennis shots? And suddenly it was like Operation Emergencia. Everybody kind of lost their mind. There was the rushing into the car and the running away and my sister came back looking very bedraggled and like she had really been through it because she definitely got some heavy hitting shots. Yeah. In the bedonk and other places. Yeah. That's how I learned what tennis was.
10:50 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
10:51 Holly Frey? And became so afraid I was never touching that tree or the, that tree was a hazard, I will say, because it also had, I think it was like a, was it a cedar tree? It was something. It also had like some very elastic-y branches that were kind of bouncy that we would also swing on. And at one point, like I had gripped onto one of the branches and my brother pushed me and I went flying and we thought I had a broken arm for a minute. I didn't, but it was just banged up real bad. I don't, you know, kids on farms that are not really farm kids, maybe don't do smart things. I'm just saying. Or maybe we were
11:31 Holly Frey? just a real careless lot. I don't know. That tree was a menace. Um, yeah, tetanus.
11:38 Tracy V. Wilson? I was talking to Patrick as I was working on this. Uh, and I was like, did you know that if you get tetanus, uh, your muscles can spasm so hard that you can break your own bones? And he was like, yes. And I asked him two or three other weird questions about tetanus. And then I said, how you know so much about tetanus? And he was like, what, like, this was the, the thing we were all terrified of as children. Don't step on a rusty nail, you might get tetanus. And I was like, but you had your shots, right? Like, if you, if you get your shots, you're probably not gonna get tetanus. Uh, which is good because it sounds awful.
12:19 Holly Frey? Listen, the 1970s were a lawless time. We didn't all stay on shot schedules.
12:27 Tracy V. Wilson? I think I was on for sure that, I was definitely on like the shot schedule because that was the, like, my mom was very focused on things like that. And then I think I've said before on the show that I was, uh, the, the recommendation for how many measles vaccines to get changed, um, after you and I were the age that we would have been getting them normally. And, uh, we were going to go visit my grandmother when I was in my early teens. Um, and there was an active measles outbreak happening there at that time. And my mom took me to the pediatrician to get another measles shot.
13:07 Tracy V. Wilson? Uh, before that trip, um, for that reason. So that I think I was, I was like 13 or 14.
13:15 Holly Frey? Yeah, we went ahead and got boosters this year.
13:17 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. The reason I didn't go ahead and get a booster is because I had that shot when I was 14 or 13, like somewhere in there. And, uh, it seemed like as this outbreak is spreading, people who are interested in getting a vaccine and are just like behind or not sure their status or the, the age bracket that you and I are, where they probably only got one shot as a kid. I kind of wanted to, uh, allow all of those folks that are a higher need than me to go and get them. Um, I know you can also get titers checked, uh, to see if you still have immunity to stuff.
13:57 Holly Frey? Yeah, we, um, I had talked to our doctor about it and she, or I don't remember if it's our doctor or our pharmacist and they were like, you know what, at your age, if you can't remember, we just skip the titer and do the shot. I was like, great, great.
14:14 Tracy V. Wilson? I did talk to my doctor about it at my physical about whether I should, uh, whether I should get another dose, um, or whether I should get my titer checked. And she was like, I think based on what you've just told me, I, I think you're fine and we would not need to order that. Um, I did also confirm that even though I, uh, do not believe I ever had chickenpox, uh, I should get a shingles vaccine in a couple of weeks here after I turn 50. And I should also get the pneumococcal pneumonia vaccine again in a couple of weeks here after I turn 50.
14:49 Holly Frey? Yeah.
14:50 Tracy V. Wilson? I'm gonna take a little trip for myself and then when I come home from a trip on my list of things to do is gonna be going to get my vaccines.
14:59 Holly Frey? So fun.
15:01 Tracy V. Wilson? They prevent you from getting serious and potentially deadly illnesses. They do not cause autism. That is, that is established at this point. Even if they did cause autism, the idea that your child dying is preferable to your child being autistic is.
15:22 Tracy V. Wilson? Uh, very troubling and offensive. And frankly, a lot of the things that RFK Junior has been saying are also offensive.
15:30 Holly Frey? Oh, my Lord. It was, I have been out of the country.
15:34 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
15:36 Holly Frey? For a while, a little less than a couple of weeks. And I was out of the country and busy enough that I wasn't looking at news or social media much. And neither were most of the people I was with. And we were at like some, I don't know if we were at dinner at like a little, you know, cocktail gathering or whatever. And one of my friends opened up social media and then went, oh, no. And shut it immediately. It was like, let's just stay in our weird vacation bubble because nobody needs to hear what's going on and what's coming out of that person's mouth.
16:10 Tracy V. Wilson? Not for the next few minutes, at least.
16:15 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, yeah. Uh, I was, uh, very fear, like the, the most recent, um, in my opinion, most offensive and disgusting thing was after this article or this, this, uh, episode was like already completely written. Like it was just waiting for you to return from Japan. And then I was like, now there's another thing to be mad about, about vaccines.
16:39 Holly Frey? There's always another thing.
16:41 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, yeah. Uh, to be very clear, there is a broad spectrum of autism. That is why it is called a spectrum. And there are people on that spectrum who do need daily care all the time. And that is true. They are still human beings. They are still part of our society and part of our world, and they are not something to be eliminated. I don't know. I feel like we could live in a world where we were focused on making sure everyone has access to the world that we live in, instead of a world.
17:16 Holly Frey? Instead of trying to eliminate people to make our lives simpler.
17:19 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, eliminate people because that's what we're talking about. Anyway, anyway, uh, you can check out previous episodes that we've got about the eugenics movement in the archive, if you want to do that. Uh, otherwise.
17:33 Holly Frey? You just want to depress the heck out of yourself even more.
17:36 Tracy V. Wilson? Get real mad.
17:41 Holly Frey? A rare disease diagnosis can change your life, but it doesn't have to define your future. Tune in for season seven of Untold Stories: Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition, a Ruby Studio production in partnership with Argenx. Hosted by public health and policy expert Dr. Martine Hackett, Untold Stories: Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition pushes the conversation within the rare disease community forward. Featuring guests living with MG, CIDP, myositis, SMA, and other rare autoimmune conditions, each episode explores hope, progress, and connection. How does research create new opportunities? How do shared experiences help light the way forward? How do we best show up for each other?
18:26 Holly Frey? Tune in to find out. Listen on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
18:39 Speaker 01 That sound? That's pro squash. Some of the fastest rallies in sport played inches from the crowd. The National Squash League is back in full swing for season four. The sport is heading to the 2028 Olympics for the first time, and you can see it up close right now in a city near you. Watch every match for free on YouTube. Search National Squash League and hit subscribe or follow live updates on Instagram at NSL.Sport.
19:07 Speaker 04 Cash Flow Crunch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.
19:37 Speaker 06 Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.
19:52 Speaker 07 People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.
20:03 Speaker 06 And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.
20:08 Speaker 08 One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.
20:14 Speaker 06 So join us and hear their stories and more. Because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At The Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At The Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.
20:40 Tracy V. Wilson? We talked about C D Mubarak Bombay this week.
20:45 Holly Frey? My sad brain just wants to do calling Dr. Bombay, calling Dr. Bombay, come in, come in right away.
20:52 Tracy V. Wilson? This is funny.
20:52 Holly Frey? For all of my Bewitched fans in the crowd.
20:54 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. I, um, so it's clear from having, you know, everyone who has listened to this episode, if you're somehow listening to a Friday behind the scenes, having not heard the episode, I would feel like in a lot of cases, that's not going to make any sense. But, you know, just in case somehow that's what's happening in your life right now.
21:17 Tracy V. Wilson? A lot of that episode is, you know, drawn from the accounts of these men who went on these expeditions and the books they wrote about them later. And there are so many of them. And I kept getting confused about them. And I wound up temporarily at the top of the outline, just having this list of names and links so that I would not confuse who had written which book about which of these things. Because everyone that we talked about wrote at least one book about it. And even with that occasionally, like there was a time that Holly caught in, as we were recording this, where I had just put the wrong name of one of these guys. Hopefully that was the only time.
22:03 Holly Frey? In fairness, it had referred to that guy just a sentence earlier. So it was just.
22:08 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Yeah.
22:09 Holly Frey? A finger repeat in typing, not a big.
22:12 Tracy V. Wilson? Hopefully we didn't mess it up any other times.
22:17 Tracy V. Wilson? Um, I will reiterate, all of these books are online in multiple places. They're all in the public domain. Um, there's a lot of racism in there. Uh, I did not read, I did not include any of the most racist things. There are parts of what we did read that kind of, um, kind of have some of the, the threads of some of the stereotypes that people in, uh, in like the UK had about people from Africa about their being like, simple and happy. Uh, and there is some of that, but I do think that he as a person,
23:03 Tracy V. Wilson? uh, like he is widely described as being like a very happy and upbeat and a very kind person. Uh, that sort of resonates through all of people's writing about him. But yeah, I did not put in big long quotes filled with the N word, which there are many of in these books.
23:23 Holly Frey? I have some theories.
23:25 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay.
23:25 Holly Frey? You kind of touched on it in the ways that people wrote about him and different perceptions of him. Because I, I really do think some of it, whether it is surely racially motivated, like there's surely racist, racist root to it. But I really think like, Speak seemed like a pretty chill dude in many ways. I could be wrong. I don't, certainly didn't know him personally. But, you know, all of his writing that you quoted in this is very much about his appreciation
24:07 Holly Frey? for all of these people that helped him, how kind he found them. And then all of the subsequent ones have, to me, this edge of
24:17 Holly Frey? What I would call snoots patoots. Like, they're just, they are clearly wealthy white dudes.
24:26 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
24:26 Holly Frey? Who are now in a place where they're having to take advice from someone that they perceive as lesser, and it bruises their egos to be told, like, dude, you cannot walk today. Do you not know? And it's easier to say, he's wasting my time, then. I'm a little weaker than I thought.
24:46 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Also, every one of these expeditions sounds miserable.
24:52 Holly Frey? Yeah, they don't sound fun.
24:53 Tracy V. Wilson? There was just so much illness, and some of it, serious illness. And even if not serious, you know, the not serious illness parts, there were just all kinds of injuries and all kinds of delays and all kinds of, they thought that they were going to be able to make it to this place, but now they have to camp out and it's like swampy and hot and full of bugs.
25:18 Tracy V. Wilson? And two different people supposedly leading the expedition, both have eye inflammation. That means that they mostly can't see very well.
25:28 Tracy V. Wilson? Like, none of it sounds fun to me.
25:31 Holly Frey? It does not to me either.
25:33 Tracy V. Wilson? And so sometimes when I'm reading these accounts and I'm reading the times that they sound kind of judgy about, about what Bombay was doing or decisions he was making, I'm just like, was this really a bad decision? Or are you just mad and uncomfortable?
25:48 Holly Frey? Right. And I mean, we have all reached that point, like, whether it's when you're traveling or you're just in the middle of like, a really busy season or whatever, where like, the, the stresses on your body make you less magnanimous and more prone to be fussy and crabby.
26:07 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, sure.
26:08 Holly Frey? So that's a natural part of it. But then, like, when you get home and you're writing about it, theoretically, you are not feeling those same stresses and maybe.
26:19 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
26:20 Holly Frey? You don't have to be a jerk.
26:22 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
26:22 Holly Frey? Especially considering this person actually knows what they're doing and you've never been there before. So how dare?
26:35 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
26:39 Holly Frey? A rare disease diagnosis can change your life, but it doesn't have to define your future. Tune in for season seven of Untold Stories: Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition, a Ruby Studio production in partnership with Argenx. Hosted by public health and policy expert Dr. Martine Hackett, Untold Stories: Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition pushes the conversation within the rare disease community forward. Featuring guests living with MG, CIDP, myositis, SMA, and other rare autoimmune conditions, each episode explores hope, progress, and connection. How does research create new opportunities? How do shared experiences help light the way forward? How do we best show up for each other?
27:24 Holly Frey? Tune in to find out. Listen on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
27:37 Speaker 01 That sound? That's pro squash. Some of the fastest rallies in sport played inches from the crowd. The National Squash League is back in full swing for season four. The sport is heading to the 2028 Olympics for the first time, and you can see it up close right now in a city near you. Watch every match for free on YouTube. Search National Squash League and hit subscribe or follow live updates on Instagram at NSL.Sport.
28:05 Speaker 09 Cash Flow Crunch, OnDeck's small business line of credit, gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.
28:35 Speaker 06 Hi, I'm Jenna Ushkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.
28:50 Speaker 07 People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.
29:01 Speaker 06 And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.
29:06 Speaker 08 One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.
29:12 Speaker 06 So join us and hear their stories and more because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At The Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At The Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.
29:38 Tracy V. Wilson? There has been a lot more writing in more recent years about how critical the work and knowledge of like the locally hired African people was to like all of these expeditions. And then also the people that had either returned to Africa from India or had been in some cases hired in India specifically to come on an expedition to Africa. And how you would have like in most of these expeditions, there would be a very small group of white officers from somewhere in the UK that had usually been in the military service, like
30:19 Tracy V. Wilson? some number between maybe six and 10 of them. And then the entire rest of the company were either, either people hired locally from any of like the African tribes and kingdoms there or hired in India. Those were the people that were doing, they were carrying all the stuff. They were making all of the negotiations for the most part between the, with the kingdoms and the, in the empires that they were passing through. If Stanley or Livingstone or whoever had just gone down there by themselves without any help, they would have died right away.
30:57 Holly Frey? A hundred percent. They would have gotten four miles and collapsed.
31:01 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. So there's been a lot more, not even just recently, like not just within the last 20 years, but within the last, like 50 years, a lot more writing about how, how much all of these, you know, so-called European exploration expeditions was like, they were all like really grounded in the, the labor and the knowledge of the African people whose continent they were quote, exploring.
31:30 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, it's more like they were being guided.
31:33 Holly Frey? Around.
31:34 Tracy V. Wilson? Yes.
31:35 Holly Frey? Um, and probably those poor people that were doing all that work were like, this big dumb fussy baby is here again.
31:46 Tracy V. Wilson? Kind of take them to try to find the source of the Nile.
31:50 Holly Frey? We could have told them, but they want to learn the hard way. So here you go, brother. Get in the boat.
31:58 Tracy V. Wilson? I will say, um, back when we recorded that episode about Hatshepsut and the voyage to Punt.
32:08 Tracy V. Wilson? That was a Saturday classic. I stressed a lot more about whether we were covering enough history from parts of the world other than North America and Europe.
32:25 Tracy V. Wilson? Um, I still try to select a diverse range of topics to talk about. But no matter which things we're focusing on in terms of diverse, there's always stuff that's just not ever in like, it's let's, there will, there will never be enough of that particular thing.
32:48 Holly Frey? Right.
32:48 Tracy V. Wilson? Um, so it's like, still my goal to include things from all over the world. But sometimes if some, if some months pass without something else from a different part of the world, like that is no longer a thing causing me to lose sleep at night.
33:06 Tracy V. Wilson? In the way that it was earlier.
33:09 Holly Frey? Sometimes anxiety drives the bus.
33:13 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, there's also just the realities. We've talked before about how if we are talking about, uh, something that is related to North America or Europe. The starting question is not, do I have the cultural context to talk about this adequately?
33:32 Tracy V. Wilson? And sometimes when we are talking about things from Africa or Asia, South America, like places that we aren't as steeped in, sometimes I look at something and I go, no, I don't have the cultural competence to do this justice at all. And recognizing my own limitations there has been like part of the, the learning curve of more than a decade on this podcast.
34:02 Tracy V. Wilson? Well, over a decade at this point.
34:05 Tracy V. Wilson? So, yeah, anyway, I, I, I try to talk about lots of different things on the show, but now I'm better at recognizing my own limitations in doing that.
34:18 Tracy V. Wilson? Hey, I know we're all living in times that are full of a lot of chaos and uncertainty. And for a lot of us, frustrations and upset. So whatever's happening, whatever's progressing in your life, I hope you're able to, to find a moment where you're able to find a little peace, a little moment of joy. All of those things are, we need them to, you know, continue to do the things that we're all trying to do in our lives. We will be back with a Saturday classic tomorrow and something brand new on Monday.
35:00 Tracy V. Wilson? Stuff You Missed in History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
35:15 Holly Frey? A rare disease diagnosis can change your life, but it doesn't have to define your future. In season seven of Untold Stories: Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition, host Martine Hackett continues the conversation with people living with MG, CIDP, and the broader rare disease community, exploring what comes after diagnosis through stories of hope, progress, and connection. Produced by Ruby Studio in partnership with Argenx, listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
35:47 Speaker 02 Wait, I came in for two things. How is this $47? All right, we're gonna need a plan here.
35:55 Speaker 03 Just start simple with Bank of America Advantage Safe Balance Banking. No overdraft item fees, no monthly maintenance fee if you're under 25.
36:03 Speaker 02 Oh, that's actually really simple.
36:06 Speaker 03 Safe Balance Banking, one less thing to figure out. Learn more at BofA.com/simplebanking. Terms and conditions apply. Bank of America and a member FDIC.
36:18 Speaker 01 That sound? That's the National Squash League. Pro teams, the world's best players, and rallies so fast you'll forget to breathe. Season four is in full swing and every match streams free on YouTube. Big hits, bigger rivalries, and a front row seat from wherever you are. Watch every match for free on YouTube. Search National Squash League and hit subscribe or follow live updates on Instagram at NSL.Sport.
36:47 Speaker 10 She's been thinking about this sleepover all week, but I think about her food allergies all the time. Fortunately, her doctor prescribed Zolair, omalizumab. It's proven to significantly reduce allergic reactions if a food allergy accident happens.
37:00 Speaker 11 Zolir 150mg is a prescription medication used to treat food allergy in people one year of age and older to reduce allergic reactions due to accidental exposure to one or more foods. While taking Zolir, you should continue to avoid all foods to which you are allergic. Don't use if you are allergic to Zolir. Zolir may cause a severe, life-threatening allergic reaction called anaphylaxis. Tell your doctor if you ever had anaphylaxis. Get help right away if you have trouble breathing or if you have swelling of your throat or tongue. Zolir should not be used for the emergency treatment of allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. Zolir is for maintenance use to reduce allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, while avoiding food allergens. Serious side effects such as cancer, fever, muscle aches and rash, parasitic infection, or heart and circulation problems have been reported. Please see zolir.com for full prescribing information. Ask an allergist about Zolir.
37:43 Speaker 11 This is an advertisement for Zolir paid for by Genentech and Novartis.
37:46 Speaker 03 This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human.
Previous Sidi Mubarak Bombay Next SYMHC Classics: All American Girls Professional Baseball League Page updated November 3, 2026 · transcript and summary are machine-generated