Behind the Scenes Minis: Martian Skulls

Tracy ponders how Sara Weiss knew some of the things she knew and whether her husband characterized her as less informed than she was. Holly talks about a possible relative of Theophilus Brome. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:57Holly Frey?

  Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeart Radio.

• 3:08Tracy V. Wilson?

  Hello and happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson.

• 3:11Holly Frey?

  And I'm Holly Frey.

• 3:13Tracy V. Wilson?

  This week, we talked about Sarah Weiss and her journeys to Mars.

• 3:17Holly Frey?

  Indeed.

• 3:18Tracy V. Wilson?

  A big question in my mind as I worked on this is how she knew about the stuff that she was including in the book that was related to life on Earth? Because, oh, I'll just say, I do not believe she was receiving psychic communications from a band of famous dead people on Mars.

• 3:43Holly Frey?

  Tracy, what? You doubt her word?

• 3:47Tracy V. Wilson?

  I don't think that was what was going on. I don't have an explanation for what was going on.

• 3:51Holly Frey?

  I believe that she believed.

• 3:52Tracy V. Wilson?

  That. And so then my question is just like, she seemed to have had at least a working knowledge of a number of 19th century scholars, naturalists, writers, and also Giordano Bruno. And the Giordano Bruno part might make the most sense, given that she had like a very religious upbringing. That might have been something that she came into contact with when she was only allowed to read religious works, even though he was a heretic. But she wasn't characterized as someone who was really like well or widely read. So I just have curiosity about what is your, you seem to have an idea.

• 4:37Holly Frey?

  Where does that characterization come from?

• 4:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  It comes vaguely from her husband mostly. So it could, it could just be how he was positioning her.

• 4:46Holly Frey?

  How does she know these things? She wasn't allowed to read these things.

• 4:50Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 4:51Holly Frey?

  Adolf, I have questions.

• 4:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  The number of letters that passed between him and the psychical investigator, Heislop, whatever his first name was, was a number of letters that if I had been in Adolf's place, I would have been annoyed. Because reading through the whole exchange, it's like, oh, I have one more thing. Oh, you have one more thing. I have one more thing. And I'm just like, you are writing this man questions about his dead, his dead wife. And then asking more minutia every time he answers you. And I was like, I would have found that a little bit irritating. Maybe he wasn't.

• 5:38Holly Frey?

  I mean, he seemed willing, though, to talk about her.

• 5:42Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 5:43Holly Frey?

  Is it like, do you get the same level of irritated if somebody sends you five texts when you haven't answered the first one?

• 5:49Tracy V. Wilson?

  No, but I would get irritated if every time I answered someone's question, they didn't seem to find the answer satisfactory and wanted to ask more questions.

• 6:00Holly Frey?

  Fair, fair. Maybe Heislop was a little ADHD and he was like, oh, I forgot to do, now I've gone.

• 6:09Tracy V. Wilson?

  I mean, I don't know. Supposition on my part, obviously. It also is one of those things that if they were in a room together, it might have been just a completely normal, non-annoying conversation. But the fact that it was playing out in letters back and forth made me go, okay, I would be a little irritated if this was me.

• 6:27Holly Frey?

  But is that just because letters are more of an arduous thing now than they would have been considered then?

• 6:31Tracy V. Wilson?

  I don't know. Well, because I think I would have a similar response if someone were emailing me and, and I answered with what I thought would be the final answer. And then I would get a reply that made it seem like that answer was unsatisfactory. The last thing that I had noted as like, just a thing to, to mention, when we did our episode on Edward Bulwer Litten, we didn't really talk much about his fiction and detail because that episode was more about his terrible relationship with his wife and her attempts to get out of that marriage.

• 7:08Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 7:08Tracy V. Wilson?

  So this is kind of speculation on my part, because when I was reading through Who All Was in the Spirit Band, I was like, Edward Bulwer Litten, that seems odd when we're also talking about Charles Darwin and, you know, other naturalists and whatever. And it's, the most logical reason for him to be part of the Spirit Band does seem to be this, you know, his works of fiction that seem thematically related to spiritualist movement. So one of these was a horror story called The Haunted and the Haunters, or The House and the Brain. There was also one called A Strange Story that had an element of mesmerism

• 7:50Tracy V. Wilson?

  in the plot and may have been an influence on the novel Dracula. And then there was Vril, The Power of the Coming Race, which was about a subterranean race discovered by an American explorer that, based on the brief summary I read, may have had an influence on theosophy, which means this was almost another guest appearance by frequent podcast poltergeist. That's not the word that I'm looking for. The specter that sometimes haunts the podcast, Helena Blavatsky.

• 8:25Holly Frey?

  It wouldn't be the Halloween season without a Madame Blavatsky arrival.

• 8:29Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. I am under the impression that Vril is also, like it uses racist tropes in its descriptions of this race. But I have not read any of these books. But I thought it would be nice to say at least a little about what they were about if people were like, why would that guy be in the Spirit Band? Mostly what we talked about was him being a politician who was awful to his wife.

• 8:55Holly Frey?

  But also dabbled in sci-fi.

• 8:58Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yes. Sort of proto sci-fi occult horror writing. So yeah.

• 9:04Holly Frey?

  Love.

• 9:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. I am pretty sure that Sarah Weiss is somebody that I stumbled across a mention of when I was looking for books written by people that might be unusual or interesting to talk about on the show, and then said, this seems like a Halloween episode. I will save it for October.

• 9:27Holly Frey?

  Love, love.

• 9:28Tracy V. Wilson?

  And here we are.

• 9:29Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 9:29Tracy V. Wilson?

  Time for October.

• 9:31Holly Frey?

  This episode did the thing that previous episodes have done, where it puts a song in my head and won't let it stop, which is fine because I love this song.

• 9:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:40Holly Frey?

  Because Elvis Costello's Beyond Belief.

• 9:42Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 9:42Holly Frey?

  Because there's a line in it, just like the canals of Mars or the Great Barrier Reef, I come to you beyond belief. It's one of my favorite, favorite songs of all time, and I love it. So listen, I'll take any Elvis Costello song at any point in time.

• 9:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 9:55Holly Frey?

  I also had another, huh, that sounds familiar.

• 9:59Tracy V. Wilson?

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:00Holly Frey?

  I have not read Sarah Weiss's book.

• 10:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 10:03Holly Frey?

  At all. But the, when we got to the part where we're talking about Von Humboldt, her spirit guide, I don't know what to call him in any kind of real parlance, you know, discussing like the ways that humans have to be better and take care of one another. I was like, I would bet you $3 billion that Kurt Vonnegut read this.

• 10:32Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh.

• 10:33Holly Frey?

  Because it sounds so much like some of his writing.

• 10:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 10:37Holly Frey?

  So much like some of his writing.

• 10:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  And I'm curious. I wonder if that's documented anywhere.

• 10:43Holly Frey?

  So I would not be at all surprised if that was an influence.

• 10:46Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. I did not get the impression, I did not try to go find like hard sales numbers or anything, but I didn't get the impression that this book was enormously widely read. It is 600 pages long, and I did not read the whole 600 pages. But what I did read of it was kind of ponderous in places. And so I think that given the attitudes of the time, the things that people were excited about, the overlap with both Mars and the spiritualist movement, it might have been a bigger success had it not been 600 pages long.

• 11:26Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 11:28Tracy V. Wilson?

  Uh, which there are plenty of long books that have become huge hits, but long and also dreary to read in places is just not an amazing combo for a bestseller most of the time.

• 11:41Holly Frey?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm still thinking about Kurt Vonnegut because I'm like, oh, this is also a little bit of like shades of Billy Pilgrim in Slaughterhouse Five.

• 11:53Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 11:53Holly Frey?

  Going to Trafalgar Door.

• 11:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  Uh huh, uh huh.

• 11:57Holly Frey?

  Trafalgar Door. I always do that one wrong. And I'm like, hmm.

• 12:00Tracy V. Wilson?

  I have always said it in my head, the way you just said it.

• 12:04Holly Frey?

  I said it two different ways. Which one did you mean?

• 12:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  The first one.

• 12:07Holly Frey?

  Gotcha.

• 12:08Tracy V. Wilson?

  The first way.

• 12:09Holly Frey?

  Yeah, I, it came up in a discussion once I was talking with friend of the show, Brian Young. You know, he did the Vonnegut episode with me that we had live.

• 12:17Tracy V. Wilson?

  Mm hmm.

• 12:18Holly Frey?

  Last year. And then I remember us talking about it and me saying, I have been saying it wrong all this time. It's really this. And now I don't remember which is which because

• 12:25Tracy V. Wilson?

  Hmm.

• 12:26Holly Frey?

  my brain has decided to stop recording information, apparently.

• 12:30Tracy V. Wilson?

  It's fine. It's fine. There are innumerable things that I learned to say by reading them and later learned that I was not saying them correctly, sometimes because they were sounded out and they are not pronounced the way they are spelled, but sometimes because I just misread the letters in them and came up with a different pronunciation, including letters that aren't actually there.

• 12:56Holly Frey?

  Yeah. I mean, I think we've all done that. I, um, I don't remember where I read it. Somewhere on the internet at one point on, it was probably on Twitter back in the day, that someone had pointed out, like, you know, when you encounter someone who is clearly very smart and educated and they mispronounce a word that you think is obvious, what that means is that they learned it by reading and there's no shame in that. And I was like, that's a great way to look at it.

• 13:17Tracy V. Wilson?

  I've also had things that I learned from teachers who taught me the incorrect way to say things.

• 13:23Holly Frey?

  Oh, yeah. I think we had a discussion about the French word for snow once. And I was like, that's not how you say that word.

• 13:32Holly Frey?

  We, we all have those for sure.

• 13:34Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, we have definitely gotten emails about how we have pronounced Newfoundland when we pronounced it the way it is in US dictionaries and when I, how when I was taught the provinces of Canada in school. It's not how we said it.

• 13:50Holly Frey?

  No.

• 13:51Tracy V. Wilson?

  Nope. Anyway, Sarah Weiss, interesting person. I wish we knew more about her life beyond this book and how much of the, oh, she never read was just PR spin by her, her husband.

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• 19:28Holly Frey?

  And we talked about Screaming Skulls this week.

• 19:31Tracy V. Wilson?

  We did that. Yeah. Yeah.

• 19:35Holly Frey?

  I love these because they're sort of kooky and delightful.

• 19:37Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 19:38Holly Frey?

  Like I said, I didn't mean to laugh at the dead, but the whole like, he doesn't like to be handled a lot. And he's fine if you're nice to him. And then if you do too much, he lets you know. And I'm like, I have a cat like that.

• 19:48Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. If you never make eye contact with him, he might come get on your lap.

• 19:54Holly Frey?

  Maybe, maybe. That'd be great. Here is an interesting thing. I believe that Theophilus Brom was maybe continuing a kooky family tradition in making bizarre requests of how his remains were to be handled.

• 20:09Tracy V. Wilson?

  Mm hmm.

• 20:10Holly Frey?

  Because there is another Brom in English history. As you'll recall, perhaps from that episode, we mentioned that Theophilus is one of the Warwick Bromes. And there was another Brom named Nicholas Brom in Warwick in the early 1500s who died. I'm guessing they were related, but I didn't find a direct like family tree that put them together.

• 20:38Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 20:39Holly Frey?

  But I also like got a little fed up and didn't go down that rabbit hole a super long time. But Nicholas had his own kooky request. He might actually be a future episode, but he came up because in looking for newspaper accounts about this, people were like, there was at least one or two that came up where they were like, this is like this other guy. But they don't necessarily like go so far as to say they're 100% related. But this one had done some things in his life. He apparently murdered a couple of people. And as penance in his will, he wrote, I request that my body be buried within the parish church of Battlesley, Clinton, where people may tread upon me when they come into the church.

• 21:20Holly Frey?

  So he basically was trying to like prostrate himself and have people walk over him for eternity.

• 21:26Tracy V. Wilson?

  Wow.

• 21:26Holly Frey?

  As a way to atone for his sins.

• 21:28Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 21:29Holly Frey?

  And I'm like, is this a family thing? Do you guys just talk about the weird ways you might be buried? But I also love it.

• 21:35Tracy V. Wilson?

  Mm hmm.

• 21:36Holly Frey?

  Yeah, I also love it. It's just a little kooky.

• 21:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:40Holly Frey?

  I didn't mention the Screaming Skull, the classic mid 20th century movie.

• 21:47Tracy V. Wilson?

  Mm hmm.

• 21:48Holly Frey?

  Because it's so not the same thing.

• 21:50Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 21:52Holly Frey?

  But in case anybody was like, hey, Holly, you like old weird horror movies? Why didn't you mention it? Just because it didn't, it was, it would have been a weird detour and we could have done it, but I didn't, didn't feel like it. That's all. That's the whole story.

• 22:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 22:06Holly Frey?

  I kind of want to, I mean, come up with a way that I can, you know, make people think I'm haunting them after I'm gone. But I also want to be cremated, so this could be a problem.

• 22:16Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 22:18Holly Frey?

  Maybe I can imbue, at least in writing, some meaning to one of the many kooky toys I have.

• 22:26Holly Frey?

  And be like, if you don't treat this doll with respect, if you don't treat this Greedo action figure with respect.

• 22:35Holly Frey?

  I'mma haunt you.

• 22:35Tracy V. Wilson?

  You'll come back and haunt everyone.

• 22:38Holly Frey?

  I'mma haunt you.

• 22:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 22:39Holly Frey?

  It won't be the fun kind of haunting. I'm not gonna make you cocktails. I'm not gonna hang out and giggle.

• 22:44Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 22:45Holly Frey?

  I don't know what I'd do, but silly things, silly things. I like that we're into Halloween time. I can tell you that.

• 22:52Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, I was going through all the episodes that we're recording today and thinking, these are pretty, pretty fun for the most part.

• 22:59Holly Frey?

  Yeah, we have some good Halloweeners this year.

• 23:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 23:03Holly Frey?

  We have one coming up that I'm really excited about that involves candy discussion.

• 23:08Tracy V. Wilson?

  Nice.

• 23:09Holly Frey?

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've got some murder on deck.

• 23:13Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 23:14Holly Frey?

  We've got some fun, kooky things.

• 23:17Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 23:17Holly Frey?

  Who knows? And then I, I came across another thing. One of my friends was like, hey, you should do this. And I was like, oh, it might have to be next year. Cause I think I have plotted out all of October's doings that I was gonna do. So.

• 23:29Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 23:30Holly Frey?

  We'll see. It's another examination, but more of a grave robbing. And it was one that I came across when we were making Criminally, because we did a grave robbing season. And we didn't, we didn't do an episode out of it for whatever reason. And I'm like, oh, yeah, that would, that would actually be pretty fun to talk about. Cause it's, you know, got some old Hollywood goodness and some wacky grave robbing, my favorite.

• 23:53Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. I did not like some of the ways that the second skull was talked about. At the time in this episode.

• 24:04Holly Frey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  Because like somebody looking at the skull and going, oh, here are some negative traits.

• 24:12Holly Frey?

  I'm a doctor.

• 24:13Tracy V. Wilson?

  With the skull. I'm a, I'm a medical student.

• 24:15Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 24:16Tracy V. Wilson?

  Like I, that just feels super racist to me that a hundred percent sounds like here are traits about the skull that I think are bad and therefore it must have been. And that, like, there's no evidence of any of that. I have, I haven't read the paper that eventually concluded that it was the skull of a woman or like what, what criteria were used to make that determination?

• 24:40Holly Frey?

  Well, and that's an interesting thing to bring up because there are people today who are like, that was the same thing. Like they didn't do DNA testing that anybody knows of. They didn't do any like scienti- they literally did the same thing of like an examination.

• 24:57Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

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  We've all done it. Tumble down an internet rabbit hole trying to self-diagnose. And sometimes doing our own research can leave us more anxious than informed. Your feed is packed with wellness trends telling you to cold plunge, protein max, detox, track your sleep. But what's actually real? What's exaggerated? What's just wrong? That's exactly what Health vs. Hype from the American Medical Association and iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio is here to find out. Each episode, Emmy nominated science communicator Trace Dominguez, who's racked up billions of views across PBS, Discovery Channel, and YouTube, talks to doctors, influencers, and real people trying these trends.

• 26:52Holly Frey?

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• 27:13Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 27:53Tracy V. Wilson?

  All sass, zero filter, and decades of perspective from four friends proving that queer joy only gets better with age on the podcast that never gets old. Listen to Silver Linings, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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• 30:24Tracy V. Wilson?

  There are incredible things that you can figure out about skulls nowadays.

• 30:29Holly Frey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:30Tracy V. Wilson?

  Including like studying the isotopes in there to figure out where a person actually.

• 30:37Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 30:38Tracy V. Wilson?

  Grew up, but like, I don't, I don't know what kind of assessment was made, but like it adds a weird layer to a story that had come along with this murder discussion. And we don't know whether it's the victim or the perpetrator. And then also a medical student was like, oh, that's, this is what I think this person's skull was.

• 31:03Holly Frey?

  Well, there's like a lot of, a lot of, one, there's a lot of made up stuff. Like people are just making up lore about this skull. And two, you know, when it comes to that medical student, they knew about the skull and they were going hoping to look at it. So I feel like it's just a bunch of confirmation bias on his part.

• 31:20Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, sure, sure.

• 31:21Holly Frey?

  Like at no point was he really entertaining the idea that the skull was anything else.

• 31:26Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 31:26Holly Frey?

  He's like, yes, yes, hmm, yes, yes, of course. But also we don't know if that narrative is even real. We don't know who Miss Garnett was.

• 31:35Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 31:36Holly Frey?

  Um, or who this mystery medical student was. So there's so much haziness around that particular one.

• 31:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 31:44Holly Frey?

  You know, it's all a mess. It's all a mess. That's what it is. I, don't get me wrong. I love it. I love a mess. But also I love, like, it's just a great piece of evidence of the way people just want to believe stuff, right? Like even Judge Udall goes and he goes through all the family records on Nevis and he's reading up. But even he is like, and I'm gonna make a big jump of logic to like put the, make these two pieces of information I have match up in a way that seems to align with the previously established lore that isn't in any way verifiable either. It's just one problem after another. And because when you look at it and they're like, there is the idea that, you know, Azariah Penny

• 32:28Holly Frey?

  somehow had, I mean, if you go by the original story that often gets told that he had somehow brought a person back with him. From the Caribbean, but then that isn't supported by the documentation on Nevis. But people still repeat that version of the story. Like the timeline is just messy as heck. There's just, you know, the whole thing is a big gobbledygook of like, we wanted to make up a scary and wacky story. I don't know.

• 32:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 32:56Holly Frey?

  Like, oh, bless your hearts.

• 33:02Holly Frey?

  But yes, it is inherently racist to presume that you can look at a skull and know what race the person was, unless you're dealing with like some sort of skull that evidences manipulation that's done in specific cultures.

• 33:14Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, sure. Yeah.

• 33:16Holly Frey?

  Other than that, there's not really a way. I just wanted to make sure we caveated that in case somebody went, no, there are some ways.

• 33:22Tracy V. Wilson?

  No, I'm reminded of the whole pseudoscience of phrenology and.

• 33:27Holly Frey?

  Ma'am, phrenology just.

• 33:30Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 33:31Holly Frey?

  Phrenology pops up in places. And in fact, not in an episode that we're doing soon, but I might mention it behind the scenes. There was a phrenology jump scare in the research.

• 33:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, no. Yeah.

• 33:46Holly Frey?

  But it was so minor, it wasn't, it had no impact on the story we're telling. And I was just like, whatever, we may mention this later.

• 33:52Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, we've talked in a couple of past episodes about the people that like developed whole collections of skulls to try to make arguments about racial worth, basically. And

• 34:03Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 34:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  So, anyway, made me feel lucky.

• 34:06Holly Frey?

  Big Phoebe arguments. Anyway, listen, if this is your weekend coming up, I hope you don't get haunted by a skull, screaming or otherwise.

• 34:16Tracy V. Wilson?

  Uh-uh.

• 34:16Holly Frey?

  Or maybe I hope you do. It's Halloween season. If you're into it, go for it. I hope that your, whatever ghosts may visit you are peaceful and cool, or they just want to hang out and have a, have a giggle. I don't know, whatever works is great. If you have time off this weekend, I also hope that you are taking care of yourself. You're doing something restful and restorative, whatever that is. You don't have to be ambitious. You can just sit on your couch and watch cartoons. That sounds great to me. If you have obligations, if you gotta, you know, run errands, get groceries, mow the lawn, ferry people around to their various activities, et cetera. I still hope that you steal a little time to just be chill and quiet with yourself, or do whatever it is that delights you. Maybe

• 34:59Holly Frey?

  getting on a roller coaster. I don't know. I'm not the boss of you. That's the beauty of it. But I hope it's a great weekend. I hope everyone takes care of each other and that we all remember to be kind. We will be right back here on Monday with a brand new episode. We will also be back here tomorrow with a classic.

• 35:24Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 35:39Holly Frey?

  A rare disease diagnosis can change your life, but it doesn't have to define your future. In season seven of Untold Stories: Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition, host Martine Hackett continues the conversation with people living with MG, CIDP, and the broader rare disease community, exploring what comes after diagnosis through stories of hope, progress, and connection. Produced by Ruby Studio in partnership with Argenx. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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