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2:09 Holly Frey? Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeartRadio.
2:20 Tracy V. Wilson? Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson.
2:22 Holly Frey? And I'm Holly Frey.
2:23 Tracy V. Wilson? This week, we talked about Fumafugium and John Evelyn.
2:27 Holly Frey? This is so fun.
2:28 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, so the process was exactly what I said at the beginning of the episode. Like, I was like, oh, John Evelyn did that? That's funny. Fumafugium is a funny name. And then, you know, five hours later, Fury, the latest of many things to be furious about.
2:47 Holly Frey? The drive of fury.
2:48 Tracy V. Wilson? From the headlines.
2:49 Holly Frey? Yeah.
2:50 Tracy V. Wilson? And saying, okay, we're going to talk about air pollution more. There were a couple of times last year when I had, I wanted to have some kind of story that was about like conservation or the environment or whatever. But also, I had sort of internally committed myself to talking as much as possible about things that the president would say was improper ideology.
3:15 Holly Frey? Yeah.
3:16 Tracy V. Wilson? So heterosexual white man, John Evelyn, was not at the top of my list.
3:24 Tracy V. Wilson? And he became at the top of the list this time because Fumafugium was there in front of me. And I was like, we're going to talk about this.
3:33 Holly Frey? This gives me thoughts because my subversion, I'm playing slightly more subtly. Like, I don't say because the president said this, but because there has, like, one of the reasons I picked George Stevenson is that we are in this age where people are talking about how
3:50 Holly Frey? higher education is baloney and being educated gives you a... And I just wanted to show somebody that was like, do you know how much I missed out on because I didn't get educated? Not my kid. Like, he's the person who is the key, like, case study of like, nope.
4:08 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, yeah. Well, the thing that I kept thinking about, that I did not say in the episode or the behind the scenes for that one, was just about how hard and dangerous working in coal mines is.
4:22 Tracy V. Wilson? And how many people who worked in coal mines worked so hard so that their kids wouldn't have to?
4:30 Holly Frey? Yep.
4:30 Tracy V. Wilson? And this incredibly bizarre focus on like, we need to bring back coal when coal is an obsolete technology at this point. And I was like, I don't need to say this, it's not actually relevant to this guy.
4:44 Holly Frey? Yeah, yeah, but it is. I mean, it is. That's all part of like, why I was like, let's talk about George Stevenson this week.
4:51 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
4:52 Holly Frey? It all feeds into it, but yeah, the air pollution is a problem. I don't, air.
4:58 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
4:59 Holly Frey? Air quality is life quality. I mean, I don't, there's no.
5:03 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
5:03 Holly Frey? More direct way to say it.
5:05 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, and there's so many layers of it that are so frustrating to me because we talked about, like, I'm, I'm thinking about in our episode about lead, putting lead in gasoline.
5:14 Holly Frey? Yeah.
5:15 Tracy V. Wilson? And how that had a trickle down effect of the places that had the most vehicle traffic were the poorest neighborhoods, where the people who were already at the most disadvantaged were most likely to live. And then we're being exposed to a lot more car, car exhaust with a lot more lead in it.
5:33 Holly Frey? Yeah.
5:34 Tracy V. Wilson? Just a compounding problem. And this is why environmental justice is also racial justice and is also disability justice.
5:44 Holly Frey? And class justice.
5:45 Tracy V. Wilson? All of that is, yeah, all of that is related to why the federal government is canceling green energy contracts left and right and not putting a monetary estimate on the health impacts of specific air pollution regulations.
6:01 Holly Frey? Yeah, I mean, you see that outside of regulation, you see this play out in a very obvious way in terms of the adoption of EVs, right?
6:10 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh, yeah.
6:11 Holly Frey? If you go to any major city and you go to the wealthiest neighborhoods, you're going to see a lot more EVs than you will ever see in the poorer neighborhoods. One is because they are still much more expensive than.
6:28 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
6:29 Holly Frey? A gasoline powered, you know, injection engine, but. Like, that is part of the problem, that those people are now getting better air quality just because they can afford it.
6:40 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
6:40 Holly Frey? Which is leaving other people behind in terms of health and quality of life.
6:45 Tracy V. Wilson? Mm-hmm.
6:46 Holly Frey? This feels like something we have people smart enough to fix.
6:51 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
6:52 Holly Frey? But they gotta be willing to do it.
6:54 Tracy V. Wilson? I don't remember what it was that I read recently where somebody was referencing being in a place that now has like really high adoption overall of EVs and realizing how different the air smelled without gas-powered car exhaust.
7:09 Holly Frey? Oh, man.
7:09 Tracy V. Wilson? In the mix.
7:10 Holly Frey? Tokyo last year blew my mind.
7:12 Tracy V. Wilson? It made me think about growing up in North Carolina in the 70s and 80s when everyone smoked inside and how everything smelled horrible all the time.
7:22 Holly Frey? Yeah.
7:22 Tracy V. Wilson? And you could go to the mall, you could buy yourself a brand-new outfit, get it home, it already smelled like smoke because you could smoke inside in the mall.
7:30 Holly Frey? I mean, I couldn't tell because my mom smoked four packs a day, so I had no discernment.
7:37 Tracy V. Wilson? So, yeah, we just sort of lived in that.
7:41 Holly Frey? Yeah.
7:41 Tracy V. Wilson? So, anyway, I have thoughts and feelings about a lot of things, a lot of frustrations. And as I was wrapping this up, I was reminded of basically this time last year, feeling like there were multiple intersecting, critical things at the same time, that it would be nice to reference in some way on the show and just not having enough episodes physically to do it all. So if you're listening to this and saying, "Why haven't they said anything about X?", just because we have finite numbers of episodes.
8:16 Holly Frey? Right.
8:16 Tracy V. Wilson? And also need to do things that keep our own minds sane at work.
8:22 Holly Frey? That is a big one for me lately, where I'm like, "I can't tackle that right now. My executive function will just collapse in a pile of crunchy flames." In comedy, though.
8:31 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
8:32 Holly Frey? You mentioned several times, we call out the fact that Evelyn was a royalist.
8:37 Tracy V. Wilson? Uh-huh.
8:37 Holly Frey? I don't know that you needed to, because once we got to excerpts of his writing, it's really obvious.
8:43 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh, yeah.
8:43 Holly Frey? "Oh, great majesty, you're the best one there's ever been. You're better than the rest of us."
8:51 Tracy V. Wilson? We are going to have our wonderful benefactor, the king.
8:56 Tracy V. Wilson? Is going to do such great things. Yeah. Yeah.
8:59 Holly Frey? Oh, my goodness. Just the most blowing sunshine up that that Regent's took us, man.
9:07 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Yeah.
9:10 Holly Frey? You're the best one.
9:13 Tracy V. Wilson? Found it very funny, the how much, how many opportunities he took to flatter the king.
9:20 Holly Frey? Yes.
9:21 Tracy V. Wilson? In things that were not necessarily about that.
9:24 Holly Frey? Which is in my head, the cartoon that plays is like, the person receiving that information. And receiving that flattery, right? Like, I don't like that kind of stuff. It makes me want to crawl into a tin can and roll away. But there are people that love it.
9:42 Tracy V. Wilson? Right, right, right.
9:44 Holly Frey? And just imagining if there was ever a point where Charles II is like, little thick champ, little thick.
9:52 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. You don't need to round nose quite that much.
9:58 Holly Frey? Back up the truck, John.
10:03 Tracy V. Wilson? The only thing I actually noted at the end of the outline to try to remember to say in the behind the scenes is that I watched a video of a lecture by Gillian Darley about this. And I don't remember which of his works she was talking about. But she described it as having drawings that he did that were, quote, "very valiant and not utterly successful." And I had to pause it and laugh so hard at that characterization. And I was like, I should go look up those illustrations and see what they looked like. And I forgot.
10:44 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh, well.
10:47 Holly Frey? There could be great delight awaiting you in the visuals of John Evelyn.
10:52 Tracy V. Wilson? Maybe so.
10:53 Holly Frey? Great. We all need more delight.
10:55 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, he's somebody that for sure could have had. A whole episode just on his biography, but I wanted to spend more time talking about this amusingly, in my opinion, named treatise on air pollution.
11:09 Holly Frey? It's pretty good. I feel like we should just put that word on shirts. No explanation.
11:14 Tracy V. Wilson? Sure.
11:15 Holly Frey? Just.
11:17 Tracy V. Wilson? Have a picture of like pretty garden flowers underneath.
11:21 Holly Frey? Not even.
11:21 Tracy V. Wilson? I honestly think.
11:23 Holly Frey? It's like the new Juicy Couture.
11:27 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, his whole plan of like ringing the city of London with fields full of flowers and fragrant plants. I'm like, that sounds lovely.
11:36 Holly Frey? I mean, that does sound lovely. One of my favorite things, I know I talk about it ad nauseam, and I'm sorry for anybody who's like, we know. One of my favorite things about having several hydroponic gardens in the house.
11:49 Tracy V. Wilson? Uh huh.
11:49 Holly Frey? Is how good things smell.
11:51 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
11:52 Holly Frey? Like when I walk into my cantina and the flowers are blooming in there.
11:56 Tracy V. Wilson? Aww.
11:56 Holly Frey? It's like heaven. It's like heaven.
11:58 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Yeah.
11:59 Holly Frey? Even on a really cruddy day, or if I'm stressed, I just walk in there and I'm like, ah.
12:05 Tracy V. Wilson? Ah. One of the places that we went to in Morocco, that place where we had the meal outside with the winery.
12:17 Holly Frey? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
12:19 Tracy V. Wilson? Outside. They had some huge, if I'm remembering correctly, jasmine plants.
12:26 Holly Frey? They had a lot of good plants.
12:28 Tracy V. Wilson? That made the whole area so fragrant. It was almost overwhelming walking through them, but like, once you were seated, it was like a little whiff of lovely flower smell.
12:43 Holly Frey? Yeah.
12:43 Tracy V. Wilson? I was kind of worried about Patrick because he is allergic to some flowers.
12:47 Holly Frey? Oh.
12:47 Tracy V. Wilson? And I was like, uh oh, are we gonna have an issue? But he was fine.
12:50 Holly Frey? A lot of flowers. At one point, I got up to go to the ladies room, and I don't know, you probably didn't notice because you were busy eating and talking, but I vanished for a while because I just went on like my own little flower tour.
13:03 Tracy V. Wilson? No fun.
13:03 Holly Frey? I was taking pictures of flowers so I could use them in fabric prints. They had a rose there that smelled like cloves, which is something that happens with some roses. I have some, but they don't look nearly as. They were like a, like a, what's sometimes called like a ruffled rose where they have like the double bloom. And it smelled just incredible. And I was like, I'm intoxicated. I'm never leaving this plant.
13:27 Tracy V. Wilson? I love it.
13:28 Holly Frey? Until Brian was like, hello, where are you?
13:31 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. I'm a big supporter in having accessible green space.
13:37 Holly Frey? It really makes a difference. Yeah.
13:39 Tracy V. Wilson? I like housing also, housing and green space.
13:43 Holly Frey? What hippie.
13:45 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Weird, weird that way.
13:48 Holly Frey? I too like both of these things.
13:51 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. I, we got an amount of snow over the weekend and I took a long, about two and a half hours hike through the snow because it was also the right temperature for me to do this. It was just cold enough that the snow was not melting, but warm enough that I did not feel like I was miserable out hiking through the snow.
14:15 Holly Frey? Yeah.
14:15 Tracy V. Wilson? And it was great. And I kept basically stopping to be like, look at that. Look at that tree covered in snow. It, it really restored some of my emotional bandwidth.
14:28 Holly Frey? I love it. I love it.
14:29 Tracy V. Wilson? My stomping through the woods with my boots on in the snow.
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18:20 Holly Frey? We talked about ladies in the Olympics, or almost in the Olympics this week.
18:25 Tracy V. Wilson? That too, that too.
18:28 Holly Frey? I have a handful of things.
18:29 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay.
18:31 Holly Frey? One is just silly, which is that there was a write-up I read about Helen de Portelez, which was written by, I believe he is Swiss, a Swiss scholar. But the only funny part was that he called like her group of aristocratic yachting friends, "yachtees." I don't know if that's a real term or not.
18:55 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
18:56 Holly Frey? But it made me think of Bob's Burgers, on which yachts come up a lot, surprisingly. And I just could not, I only hear it in voices from that show now. I'm like, "yachtees." It's very funny. Helen Priest.
19:10 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
19:11 Holly Frey? I'm not, I'm like that person, I did not ever go through a horse phase as a kid. I didn't have it, like many kids do.
19:20 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
19:21 Holly Frey? So, I know very little about horseback riding.
19:23 Tracy V. Wilson? Right.
19:24 Holly Frey? I didn't know about side saddle jumping, which people still do.
19:28 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay.
19:29 Holly Frey? Holy smokes, that looks terrifying.
19:32 Tracy V. Wilson? I knew about side saddle jumping.
19:36 Tracy V. Wilson? Probably, I think Gone with the Wind is
19:40 Holly Frey? Oh, it never registered to me in that.
19:42 Tracy V. Wilson? A movie that has a formative, formative is not the right word, a movie that has a critical moment involving a child riding side saddle and jumping, not even a big jump. Unless I'm confusing it with some other movie.
19:55 Holly Frey? There is some, listen, that's another thing. I live in Atlanta and I'm not a big Gone with the Wind person. So I'm clearly outside of all things.
20:02 Tracy V. Wilson? When I was a child, yeah, yeah.
20:05 Holly Frey? Yeah, I just, I was never a horse kid. So like, even if it came up in a movie, I would not have fixated on it.
20:10 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
20:11 Holly Frey? Yeah, I didn't, I didn't know.
20:13 Tracy V. Wilson? Also, I think some of our neighbors are snow blowing, so hopefully none of that is being captured in our audio. If anyone is watching this or listening and saying, what is that strange noise that I can hear at the love in the background? The answer is, we have almost 20 inches of snow on the ground here.
20:34 Holly Frey? Yeah, yeah. There is a great story about Helen Priest that I found so charming, but it didn't, it was not germane to her Olympic bid.
20:42 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay.
20:44 Holly Frey? Which is that when she was in New York competing, one day she decided to take her horse for a ride through Central Park. And she was fast. She was fast as lightning. Like, she was very comfortable riding at very fast speeds. But the police of New York were not accustomed to seeing anyone on a horse going that fast through Central Park. And they thought like the horse had gotten scared and she had lost control of it.
21:10 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
21:10 Holly Frey? And they literally were like giving her chase. And instead of stopping, she was like, let's lead him on a little chase. Keep in mind, she was a teenage girl at this point. She was, you know, I think 16. And when she finally stopped and the police caught up to her, she was like, hey, I'm Helen Priest. I'm the person that just won all those awards.
21:30 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
21:31 Holly Frey? Here in New York. And they were like, oh, okay. It just made me laugh so hard, the idea of her leading people on a chase. Don't do that. It's not cool. But it did make me chuckle. I also had to laugh at Pierre de Coubertin calling her a neo Amazon, because you picture someone who is like a very, you know, tall, super muscly, strong person. Helen Priest was like a petite thing. She was very, and again, a girl at that point. She was still a teenager. So it made me, I was like, how are you trying to spin this, my dude? Like, that's not.
22:06 Holly Frey? Oh Pierre, that whole thing. Listen, he still has one of history's best mustaches.
22:15 Tracy V. Wilson? But yeah, he does. I do remember that. I blocked the sexism out of my brain, but I do remember the mustache.
22:22 Holly Frey? Yeah. I mean, it's interesting because there are people who defend him as like, no, that's the product of his time. And he was very chivalrous, but like chivalry at its heart is demeaning to women in a lot of ways. There's a difference between wanting to be polite and kind and respectful and being like, no, no, honey.
22:46 Tracy V. Wilson? Like, yeah. Yeah.
22:50 Holly Frey? Yeah. And I will say it came up in some of the things I read about and I didn't, I didn't really jump into it in this outline. But that there were a lot of men. It was not as though that was the only prevailing opinion among men at the time. There were men who were like, why not let these women compete? Like they're athletes. We're all athletes.
23:12 Tracy V. Wilson? This, yeah.
23:13 Holly Frey? This is, you know, we have room. We can make this happen. And there were a lot of men advocating. There were also some men saying really stupid stuff and Elise Millia had this great response to, I think it was a runner who just said some really, you know, unnecessarily stupid and gross things about women. And she was referring to him and to Bertin, as she said, quote, "They could do themselves a favor by showing some interest in women's sport. They shut themselves away and their everlasting male egoism." Like, fine dudes, do you understand you're going to leave yourself behind because the rest of us are trying to make things better and equal? And like improve the games.
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27:43 Holly Frey? She had this reputation that even people that were aligned with her, that were in her organization, would kind of be like, you know, we might do better if Elise were not so assertive and abrasive. Like, she's too brusque, she's too blunt in everything that she says. And like, it was very much like the, oh, we'll catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
28:11 Holly Frey? Which like, listen, I'm very know your audience, figure out which tactic is gonna work best, but this is also the same group of women who were like, oh, yes, we'll take just the five after you promised us 10 sports. It's fine. It's fine. They were like, no, Helen, don't be so mean.
28:28 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
28:29 Holly Frey? Well, and Which she's like, you said 10.
28:31 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Yeah. Also, like, there are a lot of circumstances in which women are framed as aggressive or shrill or whatever, doing something that would not raise any eyebrows whatsoever if a man were doing it. And so when I kind of scrolled to the end of the outline and I took a peek at the things you had noted for yourself to talk about in behind the scenes, and I was like, I already have feelings about this one.
29:01 Holly Frey? I knew you would. I know that's a very sticky point for you.
29:03 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, I find that very frustrating.
29:05 Holly Frey? There's a part of me, I don't want to say this in a way that sounds like I'm discounting your thoughts on the matter, or anyone's. I don't find it as frustrating as you because my response is usually like, well, okay. And then I say expletive you, and then I walk away from that person forever and I never talk to them again. But that's just me.
29:25 Tracy V. Wilson? Sure.
29:28 Holly Frey? Because I'm never going to convince that person.
29:30 Tracy V. Wilson? Right, right.
29:31 Holly Frey? That I'm something other than what they perceive. So I don't care.
29:34 Tracy V. Wilson? I am more frustrated by the role that plays in society than on like me as an individual person.
29:42 Holly Frey? Oh, yeah. But I think this is why I'm drawn to Elise Milliard, because she was like, cool, we'll do our own thing. I'll make my own system.
29:49 Tracy V. Wilson? I'll just do it.
29:50 Holly Frey? Like, that's why I'm like, yes, this is exactly the route I would like to think I would take. And I love that she wrote to me a letter that was like, great, why don't you specifically say women are never allowed in any of the games? Because that's going to make my life easier. I can move on without you and I don't have to deal with your garbage.
30:08 Tracy V. Wilson? You can just put it behind us.
30:09 Holly Frey? I love you so much. Ah, Elise.
30:14 Holly Frey? She's a good one. And now I have a checklist for next time I'm in Paris to go see her statue.
30:19 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, sounds fun.
30:22 Holly Frey? I feel like lately, my, um, my list of travel things is getting very long.
30:26 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
30:26 Holly Frey? Here's hoping we get allowed, Americans are still allowed to travel in the not too distant future. Anyway, those are, those are my thoughts. Elise Milja forever.
30:35 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Before we sign off for today's behind the scenes, should we tell people that our podcast is on Netflix now?
30:45 Holly Frey? Sure.
30:46 Tracy V. Wilson? I mean, people, a person.
30:47 Holly Frey? I mean, if they're watching it, they've figured it out.
30:49 Tracy V. Wilson? Right.
30:50 Holly Frey? But.
30:50 Tracy V. Wilson? Maybe this is not news to someone who is watching this right now. But yes, our podcast, Netflix has podcasts now, and our podcast is one of them.
31:00 Holly Frey? Yeah, yeah. You can go check it out at Netflix.
31:05 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
31:05 Holly Frey? If you search for our show, it's gonna come up.
31:07 Tracy V. Wilson? It's right there. You can click the, what's it called? The remind me button is the one that will tell you when new episodes show up.
31:15 Holly Frey? Yes.
31:16 Tracy V. Wilson? Also, this is a great way to resolve a thing that a lot of people have told us about, which is that they have seen photos of us and they hear us talking. And they have mixed up our faces with their voices. And then.
31:32 Holly Frey? Yeah.
31:32 Tracy V. Wilson? They meet us out in the world somewhere or come to a live show. Not that we've done any of those in very long, but then it's a, it's a disconcerting experience. So you can watch on Netflix and just to get all of that out of the way before having a, an in-person experience ever.
31:53 Holly Frey? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there we are. So you could check us out there. More, more ways to enjoy the show. If you are already watching on Netflix, we thank you. If you haven't yet and you want to check it out, there it will be going forward.
32:07 Tracy V. Wilson? And if you are listening on some other medium, that's not going away.
32:12 Holly Frey? Correct.
32:13 Tracy V. Wilson? Netflix is in addition, not a replacement.
32:16 Holly Frey? Yeah. If you're like, oh no, I listen while I walk. You still can. No problem.
32:20 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
32:21 Holly Frey? No problem. Whatever, whatever platform you're using is gonna work just fine. But then if you want to listen one day while you sit on the couch at home, you can do that too. Options.
32:31 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
32:31 Holly Frey? Yeah. If this is your weekend coming up. And you have time off. I hope that you use that time to make the world a better place, but also do you use that time to rest and recuperate? We need you as strong and well rested as you can be in the days that we are living in. If you do not have time off this weekend, and you have responsibilities, or you are scheduled for work, I hope that everyone is cool to you, that you still get time to yourself to center and recuperate from all of the things that are going on in the world. I think we all need to be very mindful of our nervous systems right now and what we can and cannot do in a given
33:14 Holly Frey? day, and try to do our very best. Like I said, please take care of one another. We will be right back here tomorrow with a classic episode, and then we will have something brand new on Monday.
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