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3:04 Holly Frey? Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeartRadio.
3:15 Tracy V. Wilson? Hello and happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson. And I'm Holly Frey. This was our latest installment of Unearthed All This Week. Here is how this went. I wanted to take time off around Christmas and New Year's. So before leaving the office for Christmas and New Year's, I roughed out basically all of both parts of the episode. And then the plan was to come back to work on the first workday of the year, go through all of my RSS feeders to pull out anything else that I thought should be added to the episode that had happened in the last two weeks of the year, and then read through everything,
4:00 Tracy V. Wilson? and then send it to Holly. And there were, I think, three or four things that made news at the end of the, very end of the year that were added. The Victorian shoes was one of the things that was added. That was actually something that I saw the headline of while I was out, and I emailed myself an email that just said Victorian shoes as the subject line and a link to the article as the body of it. So I got all that finished up, and I sent it to Holly. And I thought to myself, boy, wasn't it nice that I didn't have to have a lengthy exploration of all of the ways that the federal government is attacking my profession?
4:46 Tracy V. Wilson? And then I went, wait a minute. Have I missed anything that the federal government is doing to attack my profession? And that is when I learned that while I was out of the office and not really looking at the news, the, that letter had been sent to
5:03 Holly Frey? Yeah.
5:03 Tracy V. Wilson? Lonnie Bunch about the Smithsonian and the threats to withhold funding. And then, as we said in the episode, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting Voting to Dissolve Itself happened literally hours after I sent you the second version of the outline to add in the thing about Smithsonian. There also was ongoing stuff involving the Department of Education and how history is taught. And I still don't feel equipped to talk about that knowledgeably. But I was like, well, I was hoping. I mean, there's a bajillion trillion things going on in the world. We've said that over and over, but like the ones that are specifically related to the field of history and how we do our work continue to be
5:49 Tracy V. Wilson? attacked, basically attacked and undermined. I hate it. So that's how that's going.
5:57 Tracy V. Wilson? Something, I don't know if you had anything to add to that, Holly?
6:00 Holly Frey? I was gonna make a smart alecky comment and go, really? Cause I love it, which I obviously don't.
6:04 Tracy V. Wilson? Obviously not.
6:07 Tracy V. Wilson? Something I didn't put in here was all of the art heists that happened in the third quarter of last, or the I keep saying third quarter. There were just a lot of art heists and one at the Louvre and.
6:21 Tracy V. Wilson? I thought about having a whole heist section and was like, that's not, it's not exactly what we usually talk about on, on, on Earth. And then I also was really not sure whether the number of art heists was unusual, or it was just the fact that one of them was at the Louvre and that made everybody report on art heists for a little bit. And I think it is more that there's a lot of art heists happening all the time. And thefts from museums happening all the time. And that it wasn't necessarily a particular spike late last year. It was just, they got reported a lot more late last year.
6:59 Holly Frey? Yeah. This is another thing we did an entire season of for Criminilia.
7:05 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
7:06 Holly Frey? And I discovered, you may know this already, that there are a lot of people that are career criminals that work in things like organized crime that specifically do art heists as a form of personal insurance.
7:21 Tracy V. Wilson? Wow.
7:22 Holly Frey? Because then if they get pinched for some other crime, they can go, hey, you know that painting you've been looking for for four years? I could tell you how to get it back, but you have to let me off these charges.
7:36 Tracy V. Wilson? Wow.
7:37 Holly Frey? And there's a lot of that that goes on in the criminal underworld.
7:41 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
7:42 Holly Frey? That to me was like fascinating. And I, I had a similar thing of like, there are art heists going on all the time. And it's not even about, because I've always wondered, like, who is the person that has stolen art in their home that they're just like, yeah, that's, that's a painting that somebody stole from me. Like, you have to be so careful about who enters your home at that point.
8:02 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
8:03 Holly Frey? But a lot of it is, and I'm sure some of those exist, but a lot of it is stuff like that where it's like, it is being stolen to be used later for barter.
8:12 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Yeah.
8:13 Holly Frey? Fascinating.
8:14 Tracy V. Wilson? I feel like we've talked on Unearthed before about somebody that got sent to prison for basically using art as money laundering. Although this might've been something that I read about and didn't put in the episode, but it was basically about how the way the world of collecting and selling art works.
8:36 Tracy V. Wilson? Makes it an easy, an easy thing to use to launder money.
8:40 Holly Frey? Yeah, that is also true.
8:41 Tracy V. Wilson? Because you can basically walk into the art dealer and say, I inherited this from my aunt. It's been in, it's been in the family for centuries. And then there's cover for this transaction of money, basically. So anyway, anyway, lots of heists, didn't really talk about them. Something that affected a little bit, my research, is that the BBC has gone be, got behind a paywall for, I'm not, I think it's everyone outside of the UK, but I don't actually know for sure. But BBC news articles now behind a paywall. So there are a number of articles that I had bookmarked back to whenever they happened. And then when I came back to them, like now it's behind a paywall.
9:25 Tracy V. Wilson? That included the Victorian shoes. So I had to go find other Victorian shoe sources because I could not get to the BBC article. Yes, I know that the publications need to make money, that this is a reality of life. I have various thoughts on whether paywalls are the best way to do that, but they, they do absolutely become a hindrance to these kinds of episodes, especially when there's some kind of find that is not in the BBC. It's in some small local paper and the only way to get that small local paper's one article, that's the only coverage of it.
10:03 Holly Frey? Yeah.
10:03 Tracy V. Wilson? Is to subscribe to that paper for a year. Like, that's just not something that we can do.
10:08 Holly Frey? Yeah.
10:09 Tracy V. Wilson? I, I do subscribe to various publications and also some podcasts and podcast networks as a paying subscriber. I recognize that it's important to support journalism, but like, we cannot do all of them and not all of them that we might need are available in like library resources that we can have access to.
10:32 Holly Frey? Yeah. I do, the Victorian shoes is such an evocative
10:38 Holly Frey? thing to consider that I'm like, someone needs to write a movie based on this one thing.
10:43 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
10:44 Holly Frey? It doesn't have to do anything with the reality of how those shoes got there, but there's a good story there.
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15:08 Tracy V. Wilson? The last thing that I did not include in the episode, because it isn't, it's not really an update to anything that we've done an episode on. It's an update to something that I have said on the show. Yes. Which is that we used to get a lot of requests to do an episode about the Dion quintuplets. Oh, yeah. These were quintuplets have a pretty upsetting life story involving being removed from their parents' care and basically turned into an amusement park attraction. Yeah. And when we were asked about that previously, my answer had been that two of them were still
15:52 Tracy V. Wilson? living and they had made it really clear at that time that they just wanted their privacy. And so it felt wrong to do an episode about them when their whole life story is about being absolutely stripped of their privacy.
16:10 Tracy V. Wilson? And they still, they wanted privacy. It just, it seemed wrong to be like, well, we're going to do a podcast on you anyway. Yeah. Yeah. It's like somebody going, I've been exploited my whole life. And then somebody goes, no, no, we're, we're not exploiting you. We're explaining how you were exploited. It, it still feels really icky. There are, there are a few topics that have a similar aspect like that, that are subjects that I've been reluctant to do because it's like, you know, this person's story involved them being gawked at without them having any control over it. And I feel like the episode would be gawking further. And I just, I, it feels bad in this particular context. So, long story short, it's not actually short at all.
16:53 Tracy V. Wilson? The last surviving Dion quintuplet, Annette Dion, died on December 24th, 2025, at the age of 91. And a couple of people sent articles about this having happened. But this does not mean we are going to do a Dion Quint's episode now.
17:11 Tracy V. Wilson? Because it runs into the same sort of thing that we have talked about on the show not very long ago, that it can be really hard to try to do an episode about someone's life when they have just died. Some of the complexities that can come up with that include surviving family members who are fresh in their grief.
17:30 Holly Frey? Yeah.
17:31 Tracy V. Wilson? And for whatever reason, feel like the episode did not serve their loved one well. That has happened on our show before. Was not a great experience, did not like going through it for us and felt bad that we, that this person felt like that we had hurt them with our episode. There's also a period of time that needs to pass between something happens and between when a person's life happens and being able to look on that with an appropriate level of historical remove and context. But like that amount of time has not passed when the, someone just died last year. So that is another thing that makes it complicated.
18:14 Tracy V. Wilson? Maybe at some point, at some point in the future, there, we may do an episode, maybe not, I don't know. But it is not on the immediate list right now, if people are wondering, now that the last survivor of them has passed on. That did not, that does not mean that there is now Dion Quintuplets at the top of the episode to do list.
18:33 Holly Frey? No. Also, they've gotten a lot of coverage anyway.
18:40 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, there's a lot.
18:41 Holly Frey? Which isn't to say that's always an excluder for other things that we've talked about, but.
18:47 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
18:48 Holly Frey? It would just feel like piling on in a space where we don't need to.
18:50 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
18:51 Holly Frey? We're not going to offer up anything insightful that hasn't been considered already.
18:55 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, there are definitely times where I'm like, I don't feel like I have anything new to add to this story.
19:01 Holly Frey? Yeah.
19:02 Tracy V. Wilson? And this, this might be the case here. So anyway.
19:06 Tracy V. Wilson? Holly, did you have anything else that you wanted to talk about from Unearthed?
19:10 Holly Frey? Animal burials.
19:11 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh, yeah?
19:12 Holly Frey? I'm fascinated by some of them, like the dog with the dagger is great, also evocative imagery.
19:20 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
19:21 Holly Frey? And it just made me think about, you know, the way people manage these things and how I always, perhaps it's very navel gazy, but I always think about how things that, you know, we in the collective, we, I mean, like, not me, myself, but modern humans will be perceived down the road.
19:40 Tracy V. Wilson? Uh huh.
19:41 Holly Frey? Including things like, you know, animal burials in backyards and
19:45 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
19:46 Holly Frey? jars full of ashes and
19:49 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
19:50 Holly Frey? All of the ways that people manage the passing of their beloved pets and, and
19:56 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
19:57 Holly Frey? their remains. It just makes me think about all of these things.
20:00 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, but we, the, the macaques at the animal cemetery that we talked about, something that really struck me was like, how many burials there are at the ceremony or at the cemetery. I don't know why I said ceremony, but like the so many animals, apparently pets had been, or maybe not, if not pets, like animals that people were living around and, and felt like needed to be buried in an animal cemetery. But there were a lot of them.
20:26 Holly Frey? Yeah, it's fascinating. It's fascinating to me. Especially because those, those animals, those macaques were buried with the kinds of things we associate with human burials in some cases, which to me is just wild because it not only says like, this was a perhaps a beloved pet or an animal that was very revered, even if it wasn't maybe domesticated as a pet, but that the people doing those burials are also thinking about the soul and afterlife of that animal.
20:55 Tracy V. Wilson? Right.
20:56 Holly Frey? In a way that we don't always associate happening.
20:59 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
21:00 Holly Frey? Which is just super fascinating to me.
21:03 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
21:03 Holly Frey? Yeah, we had lots of good animals. Cats in Asia, cats in China.
21:09 Tracy V. Wilson? Uh huh. Uh.
21:11 Holly Frey? Pets.
21:13 Tracy V. Wilson? They're good. They're good.
21:17 Holly Frey? I also, I'm very fascinated by the dictionary of ancient Celtic.
21:21 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, I'm very fascinated by that and the fact that when it's complete, it'll only have about a thousand words in there because that's how many, like, a complete dictionary is still really limited and how many examples of it there are.
21:33 Holly Frey? Yeah, I mean, I, I, this is a silly, perhaps a silly way to consider it, but I was thinking like, there are fictional languages that have been come up with.
21:45 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh, sure.
21:46 Holly Frey? I said that awkwardly for like entertainment things.
21:49 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
21:50 Holly Frey? That have more vocabulary available than that.
21:54 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
21:55 Holly Frey? You know, if you think about things like Klingon or Hatties, where people love to talk about those fictional languages, there's a lot more than there, than we know about ancient Celtic.
22:06 Tracy V. Wilson? Right. Yeah.
22:08 Holly Frey? This is wild. Also, the Bayeux Tapestry is gonna come up again really soon.
22:14 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
22:16 Holly Frey? Really soon.
22:17 Tracy V. Wilson? I had a thought where I was like, should I go see it?
22:20 Holly Frey? Oh, I'm definitely going.
22:22 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay, great. I do have a trip planned to the UK. It's planned in that theoretically it's happening. I haven't concretely booked anything, but it's too early. It won't be there. The exhibit won't be happening yet, so I would need to make another trip.
22:39 Holly Frey? Yes. When I discovered that was the case, that the Bayeux Tapestry was gonna be on loan, I immediately texted two of my closest friends and said, like, let, look, get your calendars out. We're gonna have a discussion.
22:53 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
22:55 Tracy V. Wilson? When we went to Paris back in 2018, 2019, I think we went to Paris. I went, I saw the unicorn tapestries.
23:05 Holly Frey? Yeah.
23:06 Tracy V. Wilson? I loved them so much.
23:08 Holly Frey? Yeah, I mean, I, I have always wanted to see the Bayeux Tapestry and it is, Bayeux is a little bit removed, like it's a hike to get there from Paris.
23:18 Tracy V. Wilson? Mm hmm.
23:20 Holly Frey? So it's always been a little bit of like a, ooh, am I gonna finally just bite the bullet? And like book a trip and make that happen. And now it'll be like, well, it's gonna be in London. That's easier.
23:28 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
23:28 Holly Frey? I'll go see the British Museum and pay my respects to Mike the Cat. It'll be wonderful.
23:34 Tracy V. Wilson? I wanted to say as a side note.
23:37 Tracy V. Wilson? As a child, I never would have imagined myself as a person that went to Europe.
23:43 Holly Frey? Really?
23:44 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, like, that was, that was not a thing that was within our family's means.
23:49 Holly Frey? Mine either, but I was very much like, I'm gonna figure this out. You guys are on your own.
23:55 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
23:55 Holly Frey? Kind of a jerk way to look at it.
23:59 Tracy V. Wilson? I also developed a fear of airplanes, something that I probably partially got from my mom, who was very, very open about the fact that she was scared of airplanes. But then also, I told a story recently on the show about being told about hijackers that might kill you when I was in Sunday School as a child. That left an impression also. So I did not travel anywhere by air until my, when I was in college and I went to a conference and I had a bad experience in a frightening way on the way back from that trip and did not get on an airplane again for more than a decade. And even then, I traveled by air mostly for work and it's, I still,
24:40 Tracy V. Wilson? like, the idea of going to Europe, the idea of going to, like, a country on the other side of the ocean, uh, any of that was just not something I ever imagined myself doing. So I just wanted to say I am incredibly profoundly grateful that this show and listeners to our show enabled that in a lot of ways for me. Um, almost all of my trips, with the exception, the trip, with the exception of my honeymoon, every trip that I have made outside of, like, North America and the Caribbean has been for the podcast. So thank you, everyone. For, for, you know, making that a possibility in my life.
25:21 Holly Frey? Yay.
25:22 Tracy V. Wilson? Recognize a lot of people don't get to do it. Most people don't get to do it.
25:25 Holly Frey? Yeah, I feel very, very spoiled that I could text people and be like, when are, when are we going?
25:31 Holly Frey? I don't care what else we do. We'll do whatever else you want in London, but I'm, we're going for this.
25:36 Tracy V. Wilson? Right, right.
25:38 Holly Frey? You know, we'll get to you. It'll be great. See, friends. It'll be cool.
25:42 Tracy V. Wilson? We will. Whatever is coming up on people's weekends, I hope it is going as beautifully as possible. We have started the new year now. I think a lot of us were hoping that the new year might be a little better than last year and it's, we instead had immediate chaos within days of the year opening. So, uh, everybody, I hope everybody's hanging in there doing as well as possible. And we will be back with a Saturday classic tomorrow and something brand new on Monday.
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