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2:09 Holly Frey? Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeart Radio.
2:20 Holly Frey? Hello and happy Friday. I'm Holly Frey.
2:22 Tracy V. Wilson? And I'm Tracy V. Wilson.
2:24 Holly Frey? We talked about self-help books this week.
2:26 Tracy V. Wilson? We did.
2:27 Holly Frey? Listen, I love a little self-help book. You want to teach me how to make a great chart to do something? I'm in it.
2:33 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
2:33 Holly Frey? I like Ben Franklin's method. I'm going to adapt it for my own use in 2026.
2:37 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay.
2:39 Holly Frey? My virtues will not be the same.
2:41 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. I have similar conflicted feelings to what you talked about in the introduction. Because there have been times in my life where I was 100% manufacturing my own misery. And my own decisions and my own choices were at the root of that. And then there have been other times in my life where what I needed was medication.
3:07 Holly Frey? Yeah.
3:08 Tracy V. Wilson? And then a third level of times in my life where maybe I didn't need medication, but maybe the circumstances that were happening were so big and consuming that like no amount of positivity can really counteract all of that.
3:24 Holly Frey? Right.
3:26 Tracy V. Wilson? And so there for sure been times that like various self-help advice really could help me, but also times where if somebody had tried to tell me any of that, not only would it have not helped, it would have just made me feel worse.
3:38 Holly Frey? Yeah.
3:39 Tracy V. Wilson? And made me feel like, you know, the people in my life were not understanding that what I was dealing with was not, you need to accentuate the positive.
3:47 Holly Frey? Yeah, sometimes that feels so infantilizing and just completely, you know, like ignorant and dismissive. And it's cruel to people sometimes to be like, oh, this is a fixable problem, blah, blah, blah.
4:03 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
4:03 Holly Frey? Like sometimes it might be a fixable problem, but people are not always ready to receive that information.
4:08 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
4:09 Holly Frey? And it can be very hurtful.
4:11 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
4:11 Holly Frey? It's tricky. So it's tricky. We've all known someone where we're like, if they just did this differently, everything would work better. But you don't know what's going on in their brain chemistry sometimes either. That's why I wanted to mention at the end that there are people, there are some studies that suggest, right? For people that are negative thinkers, there is a term, it's called, I think, defensive negativism. It's like you are so... Inclined to see how things can go terribly wrong, that you actually end up better prepared for any possible outcome.
4:45 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
4:45 Holly Frey? Whereas if you're like sunshine and daisies and like, it's gonna work out. And then it goes horrifically sideways. You just fall apart because you were not even considering what could happen.
4:56 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
4:56 Holly Frey? And, and there are other, that's like one, you know, sort of psychological profile that obviates the fact that this stuff does not, is not always going to be effective for everybody. But
5:07 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
5:07 Holly Frey? Uh, it's such an interesting, interesting space.
5:11 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. What you just said reminded me a little bit of some research from like, the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, where people who had issues with anxiety, me included,
5:25 Tracy V. Wilson? had an initial relief in that anxiety because it was sort of like our minds went, oh, the disaster I've been waiting for is here. And my mom had kind of like, my mom also a very anxious person. And then when she was, uh, I'm laughing because she laughed about it too. When she was diagnosed with an incurable progressive disease, it was like her mind went, oh, okay, we're here now.
5:52 Holly Frey? I've been preparing for this my whole life.
5:54 Tracy V. Wilson? I was waiting for the bad thing to happen and now we have the bad thing.
5:58 Holly Frey? Yeah.
5:58 Tracy V. Wilson? Uh, yeah.
6:01 Holly Frey? Yeah, there's, I mean, right there are other iterations of those kinds of things where there were people, I mean, I know for me, the early part of the pandemic was actually like,
6:14 Holly Frey? a weirdly good ti- I was obviously not happy about people becoming ill and all of the death that we were dealing with. But the stillness of being home.
6:23 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
6:24 Holly Frey? Was something I had not experienced for a long time and it was very good for my brain.
6:28 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
6:28 Holly Frey? And I think like there, I mean, in every other possible, you know, scenario of what works in terms of positive and negative thinking is also true. I will tell you this.
6:39 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay.
6:41 Holly Frey? It's a short book, but reading, I didn't read it all the way through, but reading Seneca's on the shortness of life. I mean, I had read parts of it in various courses in high school and college, but I hadn't revisited it in like 30 years. And now I'm like, I need to reread this whole thing. It's actually very reassuring and nice.
7:01 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
7:02 Holly Frey? His wisdom is very much like, live in the moment.
7:05 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
7:06 Holly Frey? Don't, don't keep putting stuff out. Just do what you want to do with your life because there's never a perfect time. Now is the time. And I'm like, I love you, Seneca.
7:16 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
7:19 Tracy V. Wilson? That reminds me of a, of a movie I watched very recently, which is Come See Me in the Good Light. It is about spoken word poet Andrea Gibson and their partner when Andrea was diagnosed with ovarian cancer. And they wrote a poem that begins along the lines of feeling like they were about at the beginning of a nightmare. But it really being a story of how much easier happiness is to find when you realize you don't have much time left to find it.
7:50 Holly Frey? Right.
7:51 Tracy V. Wilson? That's a paraphrase. I am, I'm not Andrea Gibson in any way, but it had a lot in common with what we read of Seneca.
7:59 Holly Frey? Yeah. Yeah. I really, really liked revisiting that. And I want to sit down with it over the, the end of the year here and just kind of read through the whole thing. Cause like I said, it's not that long.
8:09 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
8:09 Holly Frey? Very easy. The Charles Manson thing is fascinating to me.
8:13 Tracy V. Wilson? That's wild.
8:13 Holly Frey? That he's like, yeah, I read that book and it really changed my life.
8:17 Tracy V. Wilson? And then I led a cult.
8:19 Holly Frey? And that made me able to lead a cult and convince people. And there have been interviews with members from his cult, people that are still in prison, who have been like, yeah, that's exactly what he did. Yeah. He used all those techniques. Yeah. Now I understand what was happening, which is just wild to me because it's such an extreme. It's not like, I want this guy to do my paperwork for me. It's like such an extreme behavior that he's convincing people that they had the idea to do, that that is to me like mind blowing.
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12:45 Holly Frey? Here's my fun part of the behind the scenes.
12:51 Holly Frey? I'm still on Ben Franklin. Listen, Ben Franklin, I don't believe in holding anybody up as, on a pedestal, but I really like the way he talks about how to do this. And I really like the, the whole ideology of like, you can work on one thing at a time and revisit it and know that you're gonna have to cycle through it. And, and it's a progress, you know, it's you're progressing, you're not necessarily ever gonna get to this, like, apex state of achievement. But here is where I'm reading that. And there's another section that I didn't go into that I was like, Ben Franklin, what's wrong with you? And here's what it is. He wasn't, I'm literally, I don't even know how to describe, it's so silly and it's so unimportant, but it really was just like, what? Again, my brother, I have the solution for you. Why didn't you do this this
13:34 Holly Frey? way? He was erasing his black marks and starting over with the same page instead of making another page. And then in his book, he talks about how difficult that made it and how it wore through the page. And then eventually, he realized he could use like, a sturdier substance that he could make the permanent lines with, and then something like a, an oil crayon that could be easily marked off. And I'm like, did you not just think to turn the page and make another chart?
14:02 Tracy V. Wilson? Maybe you didn't wanna, maybe you thought that would waste paper.
14:06 Holly Frey? Maybe, but I don't know.
14:08 Tracy V. Wilson? I feel like if you were turning the page, if you had a paper or a, you know, a journal or something that was for this purpose, you would be able to see your progress over time.
14:17 Holly Frey? Exactly. Yeah, I don't, that one blew my mind.
14:22 Tracy V. Wilson? Maybe you thought it was wasteful.
14:23 Holly Frey? I'm gonna, that's another use for the time machine. I'm gonna go back and be like, yo, Ben Franklin, do you want me to just make all the charts for you? And you can just keep turning the pages? Because I don't mind. I have a template. I, I'm an Erin Condren girly. I have figured out all the things I need to do.
14:41 Tracy V. Wilson? If he thought a different one on every page was wasteful, he would really hate how many journals I've bought and written three or four pages in and then never picked up again.
14:50 Holly Frey? I do think Ben Franklin would love bullet journaling.
14:53 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, I think so too.
14:54 Holly Frey? I think he would love it.
14:56 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
14:57 Holly Frey? Cause he did like to keep a little, he loved a little chart. He loved to make a little diagram of how its day was gonna go.
15:05 Tracy V. Wilson? I was about to say, I wonder what Samuel Peeps would think of, but I don't think Samuel Peeps would be a bullet journaler.
15:13 Holly Frey? Samuel Peeps, I'm gonna make a callback to a much earlier episode. Samuel Peeps would be one of those dudes who buys an almanac and keeps his little journal entry in each day of the almanac.
15:23 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, he would do that. Yeah.
15:25 Holly Frey? Yeah.
15:25 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Cause his, his entries were just too usually brief and sometimes just very almost utilitarian in how they were focused on things.
15:35 Holly Frey? Yeah.
15:36 Tracy V. Wilson? I don't think he would really be into bullet journaling.
15:38 Holly Frey? Ben Franklin would.
15:40 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
15:40 Holly Frey? Ben Franklin loves a bullet journal. That's the shirt. I do have a million self-help books on how to clean my darn house.
15:46 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
15:47 Holly Frey? Ask me how clean my house is.
15:49 Tracy V. Wilson? I don't want to.
15:50 Holly Frey? No amount, no amount clean. I mean, part of it is just I ha- I'm a maximalist and I have too much stuff. I have recently, since we got back from Morocco, I have really been, like something flipped in my head while we were traveling and I was like, I need to get rid of some of my stuff.
16:06 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
16:07 Holly Frey? Which is very hard for me because I'm one of those people that imbues stuff with personality in my head. Like I was that child that would like, I had a little chart to rotate my stuffed animals so no one felt left out. Where it would be like, okay, now the seven of you can be on the bed, but I don't have room for eight. But I promise you next ones in line are gonna move on to the bed next week. Like I, in my head, inanimate objects have feelings and thoughts. I know that's very cuckoo. So it's hard for me to get rid of things because I don't want them to feel abandoned or unloved.
16:44 Holly Frey? Even shoes, even stupid things. I mean, I'm trying to think of how small and unimportant a thing has to be before I don't give it a personality in my head.
16:54 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
16:55 Holly Frey? I'm like a binder clip?
16:58 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. And I'm just sitting here thinking about Marie Kondo and how much her whole philosophy is based in like Shinto animism and how that seems to have parallels with your giving objects feelings.
17:11 Holly Frey? Yeah, I, yeah, I always have.
17:13 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
17:14 Holly Frey? I don't, I don't always, always, it's like I have an obnoxious number of stuffed animals and they all have names.
17:22 Tracy V. Wilson? Uh huh.
17:23 Holly Frey? Personality traits.
17:28 Holly Frey? Listen, it's, I know it's very silly, but it is what it is. I don't want to always be a maximalist. I understand, I agree.
17:35 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
17:35 Holly Frey? That your goods will eventually cause you problems. I have too many things, but I love them.
17:40 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
17:41 Holly Frey? Here we are. I'm working on it. I'm working on it.
17:45 Tracy V. Wilson? We're recording this shortly before Christmas.
17:48 Holly Frey? Yeah.
17:49 Tracy V. Wilson? And I've had some, every year, you know, my dad is like, what's your Christmas list? And this year, there was just, there was nothing on it. There were no things on it. And he was really trying to get me to tell him something that I, and I was like, what I want for Christmas is less, I want less things. Can the Christmas present be something that is in my house that I don't use anymore, that I don't even remember that I own? It's just gone.
18:17 Holly Frey? Yeah. I, I, long ago, thankfully, we don't really do Christmas presents. Brian and I will sometimes get each other very silly, small things, but not big presents. A long time ago in my family, I was like, I would like to give you all the gift of, don't worry about it.
18:34 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
18:35 Holly Frey? I don't need more stuff. None of us are going to pick the things that the other people really wanted anyway. We're all too busy to make a list. We're giving each other the gift of freedom. Don't, don't even think about it.
18:47 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
18:47 Holly Frey? It's fine.
18:48 Tracy V. Wilson? I love this.
18:50 Holly Frey? Yeah. And I mean, most of the time, like my close friends, if I'm going to give them something, it's usually something I found throughout the year that seems like exactly the right thing for them. And sometimes I will not wait until Christmas, but also a lot of times it's like a consumable, like a yummy, delicious food that they love, or like their favorite tea, or an alcohol that they're a fan of, like, because we don't, none of us need more stuff.
19:11 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
19:11 Holly Frey? As much as I'm a stuffaholic, I know. I've reached a one in, one out policy as a bare minimum right now.
19:18 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
19:19 Holly Frey? And then we'll see how long that lasts. Because I'm real bad about it. I have the fugue state in the morning when I'm not awake yet and I'm drinking my coffee on the couch and I order stuff without even knowing it. That's how I have a new sewing machine that I don't even remember ordering.
19:34 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh goodness.
19:34 Holly Frey? But I have, I have the receipt that I ordered it. Clearly I ordered it. But it is pink. So, I mean, I needed that, clearly. I have yet to unbox it because I don't have space.
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23:20 Tracy V. Wilson? We talked on New Year's Eve about a dinner party that happened in an Iguanodon, which I chose just because it seemed so silly.
23:29 Holly Frey? This is exactly my kind of dinner party.
23:31 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, I, I was looking around for something that would be, you know, contextually relevant to New Year's Eve. We've had various things that we have put out when an episode has come out on either New Year's Eve or New Year's Day that has have been somehow related in some way. And I also was like, I would like to just do something kind of silly.
23:57 Holly Frey? The best kind, the best kind.
24:00 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, because heavy things are happening in the world. I've done a number of heavier episodes of, over the course of the year. I was like, let's just wind up the year with something silly and delightful.
24:15 Holly Frey? Benign and kooky.
24:17 Tracy V. Wilson? Benign, mostly benign, except for Richard Owen being weirdly mean and petty and a jerk to people. I, so I had, I had outlined the basic stuff about the park and the construction of the dinosaurs and all of that kind of stuff. And I was like, I think we need just a little bit in here about Benjamin Waterhouse Hawkins. Like, I don't really have, like, who is this person?
24:48 Holly Frey? Yeah.
24:49 Tracy V. Wilson? And I can't remember which source I wound up at first. It might have been the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. It might have been Britannica. I don't remember. I had gone to some basic source that I would turn to, to get basic biographical information about a person.
25:06 Holly Frey? Yeah.
25:07 Tracy V. Wilson? And I was just sort of skimming through blah, blah, blah, born in London, da, da, da, bigamous marriage.
25:19 Tracy V. Wilson? I was like, should I stop what I'm doing and do this whole episode on this guy? And I was like, no, you took too many notes about the rest of it. And plus.
25:27 Holly Frey? You're too busy with the dinosaur.
25:29 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Yes, we're gonna do the dinosaur thing. I had previously flagged the models that he had made for dinosaurs that were supposed to go in Central Park. I have an old article on that that I had flagged as like, maybe something to do an episode on. And that never really came to fruition, but of course it will be part of things if there ever is an episode just on Waterhouse Hawkins.
25:55 Holly Frey? Yeah.
25:56 Tracy V. Wilson? And his marriage to two women at the same time.
26:00 Holly Frey? This episode, you may not have realized, might have a slight downer vibe to a very specific group of listeners.
26:09 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay.
26:10 Holly Frey? It's our Disney fans who have to acknowledge that we will no longer have dinosaur in Animal Kingdom Park after early February.
26:19 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh.
26:21 Holly Frey? As part of a park refresh, which has an Iguanodon in it.
26:24 Tracy V. Wilson? Uh huh.
26:25 Holly Frey? They're not gonna make it. They're not gonna make it. We're not ever gonna make it on that ride again.
26:29 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh.
26:33 Holly Frey? It's fine. I'm okay, because you know, I've said before, I love change. I'm kind of addicted to it, so I'm fine with it. But a lot of people get really upset when things in the park change.
26:42 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
26:42 Holly Frey? But we'll always have the memories. We'll always have Felicia Ayers Allen.
26:48 Tracy V. Wilson? I'm trying to remember, because I've been to Animal Kingdom a couple of times as a grown up, once with you.
26:56 Holly Frey? Yeah, surely we rode that. Surely we did.
27:00 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, like, I just can't bring it to mind. What I am remembering.
27:05 Holly Frey? Oh, there's a remote possibility we skipped it because we had already done.
27:11 Holly Frey? Star Tours, which did not, did not agree with you.
27:14 Tracy V. Wilson? I had an unhappy time on Star Tours. Yeah.
27:17 Holly Frey? It is also on a gimbal rig, but one that is a moving car. So I vaguely recall us having a conversation of, I don't think you're gonna like this ride.
27:27 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
27:27 Holly Frey? Or at least your body won't, even if your mind wants to.
27:31 Tracy V. Wilson? I was so excited about Star Tours and the, the way that ride works is, for folks who don't know, you are seated on a platform that's on a gimbal rig. It moves around.
27:45 Holly Frey? Yeah.
27:45 Tracy V. Wilson? You're, you're looking at a 3D movie, basically. And that technology has gotten really pretty good, but it's not really possible to have it be perfect between what you're experiencing physically on the gimbal rig and what your eyes are seeing.
28:06 Holly Frey? Yeah.
28:06 Tracy V. Wilson? On the projection. And I instantly was like, oh, no.
28:13 Tracy V. Wilson? And I spent the entirety of the ride with my whole being focused on not being ill.
28:20 Holly Frey? Yeah.
28:20 Tracy V. Wilson? And so I have never gone on any other ride that works that way.
28:26 Holly Frey? Yeah. Yeah. For Dinosaur, you're in a car, but the car has its own, like,
28:31 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
28:31 Holly Frey? similar movement as you're moving through the, the environment. And so I think, I think we did have a discussion about it in situ where I was like, I'm a little worried about this ride for you.
28:43 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
28:43 Holly Frey? And I described it and you went, nope, alope.
28:46 Tracy V. Wilson? No, thanks.
28:47 Holly Frey? Probably went and got a cocktail somewhere.
28:50 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Things that I definitely remember from Animal Kingdom are that big tree of life.
28:55 Holly Frey? Yes.
28:56 Tracy V. Wilson? And I, there is a picture that I think either you or Brian took of me standing in front of it, just making an exuberant expression. It looks like it's growing out of my head. It's pretty great.
29:11 Holly Frey? Then I probably took it because Brian would line it up better than that.
29:16 Holly Frey? It's just my guess.
29:17 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. And then I also remember the safari ride, of course.
29:21 Holly Frey? Yes.
29:22 Tracy V. Wilson? And delicious food.
29:24 Holly Frey? Oh.
29:24 Tracy V. Wilson? Uh.
29:25 Holly Frey? More delicious food around every corner.
29:28 Tracy V. Wilson? There's also, I don't remember exactly where this is in Animal Kingdom, but you know, as you're walking around places that are decorated to look like a place that you were walking through.
29:39 Holly Frey? Mm hmm.
29:39 Tracy V. Wilson? There's one place that we, that had a sign that said something to the effect of must have papers to pass.
29:47 Holly Frey? That's probably over by Expedition Everest.
29:51 Tracy V. Wilson? That sounds maybe right. And like, that's, that's not the exact wording on it at all. But I remember seeing it as an adult and being like, if I saw that sign as a six year old, I would be so focused on whether we were gonna get in trouble for not having whatever passes it is that they are requiring. Anyway, those are random memories of Animal Kingdom Park, which is only tangentially related to eating dinner in an Iguanodon.
30:19 Holly Frey? I mean, if Disney were smart.
30:22 Tracy V. Wilson? That would be great.
30:23 Holly Frey? I feel like I keep using Fridays to tell Disney what I want them to do. But you can eat inside one of the rides as it goes down. Probably that would be only for very fancy pants people.
30:33 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Yeah. Some of the articles about this mention a museum in the United States where a dinner was held. It was not clear to me whether it was like in the rib cage of a giant fossil of some extinct animal, or whether it was like under the articulated skeleton and whether it had been an inspiration to these folks when they put this together. And I was like, that all just seems kind of speculative to me.
31:00 Holly Frey? Yeah.
31:01 Tracy V. Wilson? Especially since this other dinner was something like 20 years before the Iguanodon dinner. So I just didn't get into it. Also, I on purpose arranged the outline so that you had to read the menu.
31:13 Holly Frey? You, you mean jerk. I mean, my French is decent, but some of that is like Fringlish?
31:19 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, some of it feels like half made up French.
31:22 Holly Frey? Yeah. Well, it's like the, um, you know, there would be like a French word in it, but then an English word.
31:28 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
31:28 Holly Frey? About a very specific English way of cooking something. And I was like, well.
31:32 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
31:34 Holly Frey? Shaboodles.
31:35 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
31:37 Tracy V. Wilson? Just wing it is what I say.
31:39 Holly Frey? Swing it, swing it. It's all food.
31:41 Tracy V. Wilson? I was bummed that I couldn't find more specifics about how the meal was prepared, because there was just this one source that said that Hawkins's cook did most of it. And then the Bill of Fair crediting Charles Higginbottom of the Anderley Tavern, and then European Mansion House Street. The only references I found to European Mansion House Street were an archaeological find in that area that found like drinkware that was embossed with that.
32:16 Holly Frey? Huh.
32:18 Tracy V. Wilson? And I did not go down that rabbit hole for too very long, but I was like, I wonder what's up with this. What sounds like it must be a restaurant of some sort. So anyway.
32:29 Holly Frey? Yeah, I don't know.
32:29 Tracy V. Wilson? Anyway, we have started a new year now as of when this Friday Behind the Scenes is coming out. So I hope everyone had a great New Year's Eve, whatever was going on. Whatever is coming up for you this coming weekend, I hope it's also great. I know for a lot of folks that are in kind of office job type situations, this is sort of the weekend before returning back to work post holidays. So if you're able to take a final breath before diving back into the workplace. If you're in a role where you've been working this whole time, I hope there has been a break for you in there somewhere.
33:14 Tracy V. Wilson? And if not, I hope there is one coming up soon. You know, we just wish the best for everybody. We hope your year is off to a good start. We will be back with a Saturday Classic tomorrow and something brand new on Monday.
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